The 2025 Milly Awards!

Get Steph's free Digits Database with 100+ generation-defining stats: https://clickhubspot.com/stm Episode 776: Sam Parr ( ⁠https://x.com/theSamParr⁠ ) and Shaan Puri ( ⁠https://x.com/ShaanVP⁠ ) are joined by Steph Smith ( https://x.com/stephsmithio ) in this year’s LIVE Milly Awards. — Show Notes: (0:00) Welcome to the 2025 Milly Awards (1:21) Best Investment of the Year (11:09) Worst Investment of the Year (20:30) Biggest Personal L (29:18) Billy of the Year (39:10) Coolest Moment of the Year (52:49) Frame-Breaking Person / Favorite Guest (1:25:38) Meme of the Year — Check Out Shaan's Stuff: • Shaan's weekly email - https://www.shaanpuri.com • Visit https://www.somewhere.com/mfm to hire worldwide talent like Shaan and get $500 off for being an MFM listener. Hire developers, assistants, marketing pros, sales teams and more for 80% less than US equivalents. • Mercury - Need a bank for your company? Go check out Mercury (mercury.com). Shaan uses it for all of his companies! Mercury is a financial technology company, not an FDIC-insured bank. Banking services provided by Choice Financial Group, Column, N. A., and Evolve Bank & Trust, Members FDIC — Check Out Sam's Stuff: • Hampton - https://www.joinhampton.com/ • Ideation Bootcamp - https://www.ideationbootcamp.co/ • Copy That - https://copythat.com • Hampton Wealth Survey - https://joinhampton.com/wealth • Sam’s List - http://samslist.co/ My First Million is a HubSpot Original Podcast // Brought to you by HubSpot Media // Production by Arie Desormeaux // Editing by Ezra Bakker Trupiano //

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• 0:00Shaan Puri?

  All right, so Steph, welcome back. You've been on, I don't know, a dozen times or so. You're a great friend of the pod. We wanted to do this with you. So we have categories, a bunch of categories for the year, and we're gonna go rapid fire through them, and we'll do it that way. Okay, so Steph, you've been given the categories, but we don't know what you said. Sam, I don't know what you said. This will be a surprise for all of us.

• 0:22Sam Parr?

  Well, I wish we actually would have recapped some of the numbers, but over the last 12 months, Sean, I don't know if you've known this, but we've had something like 90 million views, across everything, downloads and views. So, pretty wild. That always, that always-

• 0:35Shaan Puri?

  We crossed, I believe, I think we're close to 2 million subscribers across YouTube, Spotify, and Apple or whatever, which is bananas. I mean, that number, 90 million, that's a lot of, that's a lot of view time, a lot of views.

• 0:50Sam Parr?

  It's a lot. And like, there's definitely like one or two shorts that got like 10 million. I think last year, I think we had last year, there was one where we told the story, maybe you told the story of Elon Musk. I think it got 30 million. So like, some go really heavy, but it's been pretty crazy. So we've reached tens of millions of people in the last 12 months, which is astounding. And now, we do this at the end of every year, and it's one of my favorite things. We do mostly the same categories each year, but it's always like so fun to go through your phone and like look at old photos and see what's going on from your trailer in 12 months. So I'm excited to do this. So, category number one, the best investment that you made this year, is that right?

• 1:27Shaan Puri?

  Best investment you made this year. So, Sam, you wanna kick this off?

• 1:31Sam Parr?

  Yeah, so my, if, this just says investment, it doesn't say best money investment. My best money investment is always boring because I just do S and P 500 and bonds. But my best real investment that I made was I moved to New York City. And let me tell you the story. So I was living in the suburbs. I decided to move into New York City. I moved here and I found an apartment that I loved. It was furnished amazingly. And I go to the previous tenants, I go, I wanna move in this apartment. Do you guys just wanna sell me all your furniture? And so I had them itemize all of their furniture, and it added up to be very expensive, $80,000 or $90,000 worth of stuff. I said, I'll give you 10%. They took it. So I ended up moving to the city in a furnished apartment where I get to see my in-laws four days a week. I go to my office five days a week, and it's made me so happy. So that's been my best investment, was moving to a furnished place.

• 2:16Sam Parr?

  I sold all my cars. I don't own basically anything, and I love it.

• 2:20Shaan Puri?

  Owning less stuff, moving to the city, being near your family,

• 2:24Sam Parr?

  Yeah.

• 2:24Shaan Puri?

  Working in person in an office. That's actually a pretty big change overall.

• 2:28Sam Parr?

  Huge change and definitely it made me a lot happier.

• 2:30Shaan Puri?

  Questionable if it's an investment, but it is a huge change. I will give you that.

• 2:33Sam Parr?

  It's an emotional investment. I'm emotionally invested in this city now.

• 2:37Shaan Puri?

  See, this is why I don't do index funds and bonds because imagine if I'm one day on a podcast and they ask me about best investment of the year and I can't, I have to start talking about seeing my mother-in-law. Like that's just, that's why I don't, that's why I pick stocks, baby. That's why.

• 2:49Sam Parr?

  Yeah. Like, what am I gonna say? My net worth went up by 30% this year through boring stuff.

• 2:57Shaan Puri?

  Steph, what do you got? Best, best investment of the year? Tell me it's an actual investment and not like,

• 3:01Steph Smith?

  Sean, I'm about to disappoint you, man.

• 3:04Shaan Puri?

  Oh, my God.

• 3:04Steph Smith?

  The only time I check the S and P is to gauge my husband's mood for the day. So he invests all our money. And so I gotta, I gotta come up with something else. My investment is also not really an investment, but it's Accutane. You guys know what Accutane is?

• 3:21Shaan Puri?

  What? Yes.

• 3:23Steph Smith?

  Yeah.

• 3:23Shaan Puri?

  Is that like acne medicine? What is that?

• 3:25Steph Smith?

  Yes, yes, yes. So backstory real quick. I've had acne my whole life, like truly since I was 13. I'm 32 now. So what is that? That's nearly two decades of just unnecessary pain, time applied, just the worst. Anyone who's had acne knows it sucks. So I spent forever just being like, it'll go away. I'm getting older. And then, and then I was influenced by the, the king influencer, Mr. Beast. He was on, I can't even remember what podcast, but he just slipped it in. One day he was like, yeah, I took Accutane a few years ago. Didn't really tell anyone, but like, one day my acne just disappeared overnight. I don't know why more people don't talk about this. And I was like,

• 4:08Steph Smith?

  first of all, yes, why don't more people talk about this? And second of all, I'm going to call up my dermatologist and ask why I'm not on Accutane. And I took it for six months this year and I'm clear. And I think it's like, you know, obviously your mileage may vary. Go talk to a doctor, but I'm just like, This is the best thing ever. People, the internet can do the comparison. I mean, I always wear makeup. So take right now, go back to like V1 of me on my first million. It's gonna look different.

• 4:37Shaan Puri?

  You should post a tweet of a true before and after.

• 4:41Steph Smith?

  Well, I think that's the thing. People are so embarrassed to like, you know, if I were to actually take, I'm sure I've got some images of me, no makeup during those periods. It's embarrassing. So.

• 4:51Shaan Puri?

  Well, we have another category called biggest personal L you took. And maybe, maybe there will be some photos that might be shared during that time. Okay. So you also didn't do the category. We're off to a rough start here. All right. So my investment. So it is actually kind of funny. A year ago to the, to the day. So this December 17th today, I tweeted out on December 16th, this tweet. So I said, I'm going Christmas shopping this morning. I'm Xmas shopping assets this morning. And I tweeted it out. So basically what I did was that day I took something like 1.5 million dollars and I spread it across these

• 5:32Shaan Puri?

  stocks. And I tweeted it out that day. I said, I'm putting 20% into Shopify, 20% into Tesla, 20% into Eli Lilly, 20% into Bitcoin, 20% into Coinbase. The one I forgot to put on here is I also put 20% Google. And, or sorry, not 20% Google. I put, basically I put 250k into each one. So I think the total was 1.25 million invested. On the same day, on December 16th, no dollar cost averaging, no research, no nothing. I was just feeling like these are things I would like to gift myself for long-term ownership. And if I look, so the results of these now are what? So I just looked this morning, because I haven't really been checking too aggressively. So I had a couple that were flat. So Coinbase and Bitcoin

• 6:16Shaan Puri?

  are essentially flat. Coinbase is up 1%. Bitcoin's down 8% in that total year span. But everything else, Shopify is up 53%. Tesla's up 16, 17%. Eli Lilly's up 35%. Google's up 50%. And so my public stock bet that I put out there is my best investment of the year. Because, you know, I think the blended average here is something, what is that? Let me, I thought I pulled it up somewhere. I think it's something like 35% for the year. And so that was a, that was a good return on a one day shopping spree.

• 6:52Sam Parr?

  You use these words like shopping spree and things like that as if they apply here, which is hilarious.

• 6:58Shaan Puri?

  I was supposed to be Christmas shopping gifts for others and instead I bought stocks for myself.

• 7:02Sam Parr?

  I thought you committed to the index path last year. I distinctly remember you saying that.

• 7:06Shaan Puri?

  If I did, these are false promises. I am part of this degenerate lifestyle for now and for always.

• 7:14Steph Smith?

  So Sean, what do you do? Do you keep those five or do you pick five new ones?

• 7:17Shaan Puri?

  The one, the one part that's not, I'm not trading these. These are like, what companies do I, what companies or assets do I want to own for like a 10 year period? 10 years is my sort of default hold period. And that's what I graduated in college in 2010 and it's basically what I've been doing since then. So I held, I had one thing that I bought for, you know, 2010 to 2020 and then in 2020, I bought a bunch of stuff which wasn't so great because that was when COVID was happening and it was like a really crazy time. But in general, when I buy things, I try to hold them for 10 years. That's the goal.

• 7:46Sam Parr?

  Why Eli Lilly? Because they do Ozempic?

• 7:49Shaan Puri?

  Because you told me that they had some drug that was incredible and you were like, retruta tide. What is it? You texted me something and I was like, listen, I didn't listen when Sam said the Ozempic thing. But literally it was one, it was literally the only that. It was just you telling me that this drug is incredible and it puts Ozempic to shame and it wasn't fully out yet or something. I don't know what, I don't know. You had some early sniff around this?

• 8:12Sam Parr?

  Yeah, I had a guy, basically. So I like to biohack. So I test all types of crazy stuff. A lot of times it's like compound stuff, meaning like it's like stuff from China and

• 8:23Sam Parr?

  I don't know like what I'm allowed to admit to right now. I don't want to like go to jail. But uh, yeah.

• 8:28Shaan Puri?

  Your friend does all this. Your friend also named Sam.

• 8:32Sam Parr?

  And it did all of the stuff that Ozempic does, other than make your stomach feel sick. And I started taking it and it's amazing. It's so good. I mean, I don't take this stuff like regularly. It just anytime something new comes out, it's sort of like, oh, what's a DVD player? I gotta buy one. You know, that's what I do with drugs. Like you learn about new technology and it was amazing.

• 8:52Shaan Puri?

  So you told me this and then since then.

• 8:55Shaan Puri?

  No, no, dude, you told me, I think that day, and I was like, you know what? I'm putting Lily in here.

• 9:00Sam Parr?

  It's up 34%.

• 9:01Shaan Puri?

  It's up 34%. Um, I didn't say I researched these, by the way. I operate on gut and swagger, okay? Um, and so the, the, the difference, since then, the, the CEO of Eli Lilly has come on and, um, because Lilly has turned into like a trillion dollar company. It's like the first pharmaceutical company to do that. And he's explained all the incredible things that they do differently than the others and how they're using AI. I, I, I feel better about it now. There's more to like, but I can't say that any of those were the reasons why I did it. Like, yeah, they do seem to operate like more of a tech company now, but, uh, I don't know, it just seemed like people were going to want, I, I just sort of was like, people are going to, Ozempic is like the best product ever. And, um, Sam says they have a better Ozempic coming? All right, great. That's enough.

• 9:44Steph Smith?

  Sean's investment thesis just says, Sam tried some drug. That's it.

• 9:48Shaan Puri?

  Well, historically, that's been all right. I missed three or four of Sam's other ones. And so I thought, well, for once, I'll, I'll do this.

• 9:53Sam Parr?

  Like, for example, like, do you remember when we, uh, invested in the, uh, mobility trend on Instagram?

• 9:59Shaan Puri?

  No payoff, but yeah.

• 10:00Sam Parr?

  Yeah. Sure do. Like, there has been a few things. We invested in Andrew Huberman early on. We've, we've got a couple of investments, uh, right? It just turns out this one was financial. Um, that's cool.

• 10:09Shaan Puri?

  That's great. Uh, Steph, you have some offer for people who are listening. What is the, what is the offer? What is the thing that you're giving people if they go in the comments or the description and click? What is it?

• 10:18Steph Smith?

  Oh, yeah. HubSpot and you guys at My First Million were very kind and generous to offer. Um, Internet Pipes is a project I've worked on for the last two years. Probably heard about it on the pod before. So if you go to the link, I guess in the show notes, you can enter and get one of 10 copies. And if you enter, you get my digits database. So it's like 100 plus, like generation defining trends that hopefully will mean something meaningful in the future. Things like, what did Elon see? He saw that it was possible to exponentially decrease the cost to send a kilogram to space. What does that mean? Well, it means like completely rethinking our communication system. Startlink.

• 10:58Shaan Puri?

  Right.

• 10:59Steph Smith?

  What does it mean?

• 10:59Shaan Puri?

  So they go in, they, they definitely get the database and then then 10 people will also get. Free access to pipes.

• 11:06Steph Smith?

  Exactly.

• 11:08Shaan Puri?

  All right, go get it. Okay, so does that mean that worst investment of the year is also gonna have no answers for you guys? Are we?

• 11:14Sam Parr?

  Yo, I have one. You know, when I sold my company, I got a bunch of HubSpot stock and I held on to a lot of it. And then I saw how multiples were getting crazy and I had to like even out because it was making up too high of a percentage of my net worth, but I still kept some of it. So I got my ass kicked on that one. How about you, Steph?

• 11:32Steph Smith?

  Sean's not gonna like my answer, but it's it's not financial. I did get.

• 11:37Shaan Puri?

  It's a vitamin? Is it a vitamin or like a supplement of some kind?

• 11:40Steph Smith?

  Worst investment of vitamin. No, I did get a notice that a bubble tea company I invested in a few years ago during peak SERP went under, unsurprisingly.

• 11:52Sam Parr?

  Oh dude, I've got like 20 of those this year.

• 11:55Shaan Puri?

  What do you mean a bubble tea?

• 11:57Steph Smith?

  It was literally these founders who were on one of those like crowdfunding sites who was like just had no, no real evidence that they would make a great bubble tea company, but I was like, bubble tea's great. And invested in that. But my actual answer for worst investment that is not financial is just networking events. I feel like you guys already know this, but like it's taken me way too long to.

• 12:20Shaan Puri?

  Name names. Which conferences do you regret this year? Let's, let's put them out there.

• 12:24Steph Smith?

  All of them? Yeah, I think that's, that's my worst investment, going to all these things that you just like, you know beforehand are gonna suck. You're not gonna like them, but there's some sliver of you that thinks like there might be something good there and then.

• 12:38Shaan Puri?

  Were you required to go or it was an optional attend and then you've regretted it?

• 12:41Steph Smith?

  It was, it was an optional attend. It was a lack of judgment.

• 12:44Shaan Puri?

  Gotcha.

• 12:45Sam Parr?

  What about you, Sean?

• 12:47Shaan Puri?

  I like it. Sam, anything you want to add to her, her networking event answer?

• 12:53Sam Parr?

  No, I mean, what am I gonna, no, I agree with you, but yeah, I'm, I'm on board. What about yours, Sean? What's your biggest hell? Or sorry, your biggest loss?

• 13:00Shaan Puri?

  I went to one networking event with you and I thought you did great. I was like, wow, she's such a natural at these events. Not because, because you weren't trying. And I was like, oh, people just seem to gravitate towards Steph. They want to hang out with her. She seems like a safe space for everybody who's exhausted from the networking part of this event. And I just remember thinking, I don't know how she did that, but I like that. That was good.

• 13:19Sam Parr?

  By the way, I had a great year at networking events. I went to an email newsletter conference. We went to Sean's basketball thing. I went to the HubSpot conference like somewhat recently. I had a great year. Did you have, like, I guess I only.

• 13:30Shaan Puri?

  Those sounds much better than the others. What, so? So you had a great, uh, like you.

• 13:37Sam Parr?

  I like going to networking.

• 13:38Shaan Puri?

  You had a good time?

• 13:39Sam Parr?

  Yeah, like if I pick it, yeah, because I like seeing old friends. I've been in the industry for long enough that it's the only time that I see old buddies.

• 13:45Shaan Puri?

  That's fair. Yeah, that's true.

• 13:46Sam Parr?

  Like, did you go, did you like going to HubSpot?

• 13:48Shaan Puri?

  I didn't really go to, I didn't really go to anything this year.

• 13:50Sam Parr?

  You went to Inbound?

• 13:52Shaan Puri?

  Well, that was in San Francisco. I just showed up and gave my talk and I left. So it was like, you know, a very quick thing.

• 13:59Shaan Puri?

  All right. I hung out with Dharmesh actually at the event. That was like kind of the only thing I did.

• 14:02Sam Parr?

  Yeah, that sounds awesome.

• 14:03Shaan Puri?

  But, um, okay, I'll give you my worst investment of the year. Um, once again, I took these literally. So here's my, uh, uh, this wasn't, okay. So I guess there's a little less literal. I didn't lose money much in any investments this year, which was nice because in prior years, if you go back and watch these awards, it's like, hey, invested in this crypto Ponzi scheme. What's up with that? Uh, you know, that was, that was pretty bad. You know, I've, I've run into some trouble along the way. This year I didn't have any, but I will say this. I realized, I found out this year that I had, I passed on three different $10 billion startup investments that were right in my wheelhouse.

• 14:41Sam Parr?

  Which ones?

• 14:41Shaan Puri?

  And, uh, unbelievable. So the first one was Polymarket. I was one of the early users, probably the first 5,000 users of Polymarket. I'm a degenerate gambler. I, you know, my college GPA is like half a point lower than it should be because I used to go gamble on riverboats in international waters and stuff instead of going to class. Like, I am a degenerate gambler. I was using Polymarket. I was VPNing to pretend I'm in Morocco to place bets, uh, allegedly. And so, you know, I'm using Polymarket. I love the thing. The founder is in my DMs. He's, he screenshotted his phone and posted one of my blog posts as the background of his phone. He's like, I thought you'd like this. This is my background of my phone this week.

• 15:22Shaan Puri?

  And I was like, the ultimate in and didn't somehow end up making an investment, just like didn't, didn't go actively try to do it, uh, until it was too late. Kalshi, same thing, another prediction market, same product. If I didn't hit the winner, you know, the first winner, Polymarket, maybe I could have hit the second winner. I go back, I check my DMs. They've been DMing me since 2020. Hey, huge fans of the pod. Would love to do something with you. Uh, you know, all I needed to do was, uh, answer. And guess what? I did answer. And here's what, here's what my great answer was. Ah, so pretty similar to Polymarket then, huh? That was my son of a gun answer.

• 15:56Sam Parr?

  How much would you have made?

• 15:58Shaan Puri?

  The valuations of those were probably sub $100 million for sure at that stage.

• 16:06Shaan Puri?

  And now they're both above 10 billion. So no public math, but somebody in the chat can tell me how much money I lost. And the last one was whatnot. So I get acquired by Twitch, the number one live streaming platform. When I'm at Twitch, guess what I do? I tell Twitch, "Hey, we're losing the battlefield on mobile." I become the leader of mobile at Twitch to do mobile live streaming.

• 16:27Sam Parr?

  Did we talk about these guys on the pod too? You had a great spiel on them.

• 16:30Shaan Puri?

  Talked about on the pod. I actually meet with them. I try, I asked to invest. I'm like, "Guys, I could help you. I know this space inside and out. I know all the talent you need to recruit. I know the best people from Twitch. We'll go poach them. We'll raid the pantry. This is gonna be amazing." And they were like, he was like, "Yeah, you know, we're pretty oversubscribed." And I was like, "But it's me. Make some space." And he's like, "All right, let me get back to you." He did not get back to me. And I did not get back to him. And I did not invest in whatnot's first round. And I, and now it's a $10 billion company also. And it was literally the thing I was doing. The thing I know probably, you know, there's not, there's not 100 people on earth that know that space better than I do. You know, and missed it.

• 17:10Sam Parr?

  How many of your investments went under this year? Cause I, this was the year where I probably got 10 emails of different angel companies that I, angel investments that I made that they went under. It took about three years.

• 17:20Shaan Puri?

  Well, it's, it's the worst phase, right? So we're, I, we're probably both, since we started like AngelList, you, you had a syndicate, I had a fund.

• 17:28Sam Parr?

  Like 21.

• 17:29Shaan Puri?

  The worst phase is gonna be like year three, year four, because the only companies that are exiting are either small exits or just shutdowns at this stage. Your winners are gonna ride for another five years. So it's like, AngelList, you got a distribution. And you go check and it's like $3.41 from this company. And then the founder's bragging about their acquisition on Twitter and you're like, "Just shoot me now."

• 17:49Sam Parr?

  Would you, going back, how many angel investments have you done, Steph?

• 17:54Steph Smith?

  I don't know, like 15?

• 17:55Sam Parr?

  Okay. So going back and, okay, so first of all, let's look forward in the future. Uh, five years from now, let's say you invested a hundred dollars. What do you think that hundred dollars is gonna turn into for both of you? Or what, what IRR? I don't know how you wanna measure it, but.

• 18:09Shaan Puri?

  It's hard to say. I think it'll three, three to four X basically over the 10 year period. So it'd be something like a, this is a guess, you know, if I was, my personal guess would be like, something like a...

• 18:22Shaan Puri?

  Something like a three to four X over that, over the 10 year lifespan.

• 18:24Sam Parr?

  That does not seem worth it.

• 18:26Steph Smith?

  That doesn't even seem worth it for the K ones I have to deal with, honestly. I don't know if you guys are different. My learning from peak Zerp was I never want to angel invest again. I, unless it's a company that I want to be involved with actively.

• 18:40Shaan Puri?

  It depends. So like, I, I use a conservative estimate just to keep, not like get my hopes up or just like false promise myself. But the thing with these is it depends on basically your bet. Like I did a hundred and 110 deals.

• 18:52Steph Smith?

  Yeah.

• 18:52Shaan Puri?

  It just depends on your top four deals. So it's like, I have these four companies. Right now they're doing amazing. They're, you know, like whatever 100 X returns on each of them or 50 to 100 X. But like, will they, will they last? Will they exit? Are they going to go up another order of magnitude from here? Like that's what you need in angel investing is to get like

• 19:10Steph Smith?

  Totally.

• 19:11Shaan Puri?

  This sort of like multi 100 X or 1,000 X type of return. And then you look like a genius, but you don't really know for a while, to be honest. Like even the companies that are kicking ass right now, the breakouts. They were, you know, it's, it's hard to know. Can they sustain it? Will they get the, will they time the exit? Will they actually IPO? What was, what's going to happen? You know, it's, it's hard to know.

• 19:29Sam Parr?

  I do, I've done 56. My first two or three were pretty great. Like, you know, maybe 10 X or plus. Um, and then my last two were like 100 X or something like crazy like that. And so basically I had to go through 50 of them to get like the one or two winners, which is pretty, pretty wild. And so it will be

• 19:46Shaan Puri?

  But that's the normal hit rate.

• 19:47Sam Parr?

  It's normal, but it, but it doesn't feel good when you're on number 48.

• 19:51Shaan Puri?

  The, the trick isn't even, um, out of a hundred, can you get 12 instead of six? It's are your six as big as the, the, the big winners are in any given cohort of companies? Right? Like, and it's also hard to know. I invested in Replit and it had like 2 million in revenue. It now has 250 million in revenue, annual revenue. It's growing like crazy. Like it's unbelievable, but like, where does this all go? It's hard, it's hard to know, you know, if that's sustainable to, to keep, keep growing as fast as they've been growing.

• 20:19Sam Parr?

  All right. So next category is the biggest personal L that we took. Okay. I'm going to tell you what mine is, and it's going to make you guys all just like, uh, cringe. So basically I was at a party, it's about six months ago, and I overhear this group of people talking about being pregnant. And this one lady, I, I couldn't even tell it, tell you, I asked her when she was due.

• 20:43Speaker 03

  I've done that one.

• 20:44Steph Smith?

  She wasn't due?

• 20:44Speaker 03

  She wasn't due. And I, I said...

• 20:49Shaan Puri?

  I said, "What do you do?"

• 20:51Speaker 03

  Dude, I spent...

• 20:52Shaan Puri?

  Why are you looking at me like that?

• 20:53Speaker 03

  I spent thirty seconds looking for now. Oh, I thought, I, I, and then in front of five other people, I just apologized. I said, "Sorry." And I walked away. I said, "I'm so sorry."

• 21:05Shaan Puri?

  That is so mad.

• 21:08Speaker 03

  I tried, I was like a guy falling off a cliff grabbing for trees. And I couldn't grab a branch. And I was like, "I, uh, I, I thought you said you were pregnant. I didn't see your kid with you." But, so I didn't know, like, you had a kid and you left him behind. And then eventually it just was... "I'm sorry." I really, yeah, I just apologized.

• 21:27Shaan Puri?

  It's so funny, because on a podcast, you know, you, self-deprecating is good. But like, what's wor... Full deprecating, don't go full deprecating, you went full deprecating there.

• 21:36Speaker 03

  I, I just like, I, I'm not joking. And then my nanny was with me, like, we went to a party and she was like, "You really blew that one." I was like...

• 21:45Shaan Puri?

  I could tell, I did that at a Christmas party in 2013. I could tell you the exact place and date where that happened once. And then it was like, I just know, it's never left me.

• 21:54Speaker 03

  I knew not to do that. I knew not to do that, but I just like...

• 21:57Shaan Puri?

  I told you about when I did it.

• 21:58Speaker 03

  I knew not to do it. But it's sort of like, I don't know, like, when you, you instinctively stop at a red light. Like, I just thought, I heard her say that she was pregnant. And I just said, "Wait, what do you do?" I don't know. It was horrible. And like, it's one of these things that I'm gonna remember for the next fifty years.

• 22:15Steph Smith?

  Wait, I'm so curious. What do these women say when you apologize? Are they like, "Oh, it's okay, like, people do this to me all the time?" Or are they like, "You're an asshole."

• 22:23Speaker 03

  No, she erupted in my face. She basically just smiled like smugly. You know, screw this lady, actually. Because it's her fault. No, she like, looked at me and just like... She like, acted disappointed in me.

• 22:39Shaan Puri?

  Which she was.

• 22:41Speaker 03

  So, I don't know.

• 22:42Shaan Puri?

  I'm no acting.

• 22:43Speaker 03

  She looked pregnant, she looked like a normal person, just had a big belly.

• 22:46Shaan Puri?

  Doubling down?

• 22:50Shaan Puri?

  Wow, that's outrageous.

• 22:51Steph Smith?

  Oh, boy.

• 22:52Shaan Puri?

  Amazing. We should, uh, we should segment it with a hub spot added.

• 22:56Steph Smith?

  Todd, you go next.

• 22:57Shaan Puri?

  All right, so I have, I have a bad one, too. So I got jury duty this year in April. And I was like, I've never got, I've never had to go. Like, they call, you know, sometimes you call in, uh, cause it's the every year thing, but it's like Russian roulette. So, you know, you call in, they're like, you don't need to come in. Or you go in and right away, they're like, hey, you're good to go. Um, I used a hardship thing, like I gotta be at work. I got out before. So this year, I expect it's gonna go swimmingly again. And I show up and all of a sudden, it's like, no, no, you're definitely gonna be needed. You're definitely gonna be seen. There's a really big case and I'm like, what? I don't want a big case. This is bad. And so I get into the, to the jury duty, like where they're like vetting people, right?

• 23:43Shaan Puri?

  And the judge gives this big speech about civic duty. And like, there's a presentation, like, not even a presentation, remember Prezi? The judge had a, the judge had a Prezi going on. And it was like zooming in and out.

• 23:54Steph Smith?

  Proud of his animations? He's like, check this out.

• 23:56Shaan Puri?

  Exactly. Like, everybody is, the first time they use Prezi, they're like, holy shit. Like, this is better than Avatar, like. And so, uh, so the judge is doing a Prezi about like the founding fathers and how this is the, jury duty is the bedrock of society and all this shit. As you might guess, I'm, I'm completely unmoved. I'm completely unpatriotic in this way. I do, I do not care. And so I'm like, just formulating my idea of like, how am I gonna get out of this? So I'm like, oh, I'll just say, I have a work trip. Easy. Uh, they gave the dates. Funny enough, I got a work trip. So, uh, I'm in the row, so there's like seven people ahead of me. First person stands up and says, uh, your honor, I have a, I have a work trip. I'm not gonna be able to attend. And he says, um, do you have the booking information? Can you please show it to me? And I'm like, what?

• 24:41Shaan Puri?

  And so that guy starts to, so I go on my phone.

• 24:43Speaker 03

  And book a flight?

• 24:44Shaan Puri?

  So I book a flight. And person number two goes, I don't hear him, I'm booking a flight. Person three goes, I'm booking a flight. Uh, the judge has reviewed that person's booking and says, um, this was booked today and the, you got your, or this was booked in the, like the window after you were served notice. The flight needed to be booked before that.

• 25:03Speaker 03

  Oy.

• 25:03Shaan Puri?

  So now I've got a booking and my lie is gone. So I'm like, okay, what am I gonna do next? So I, the, the next person goes and they say like, I'm really important at work. So I'm like, I have this podcast and I'm like, that's not gonna work. So I'm like, that's not gonna work. What do I do next? So eventually it comes to me and I'm like, uh, I have a, I do have a baby at home. So I was like, I have a baby at home. I need to be there to take care of the baby. My wife works. And so judge is like, does your wife work at home? And I'm like, it's a personal question, but uh, so I'm like, do I lie? Do I not lie? I'm like, she is at home, but, but, but I'm like, trying to figure out like, how do I, like, can I, can I muddy the waters a little bit? So I was like, but you know, she's,

• 25:47Shaan Puri?

  and basically the only idea that comes to my mind is to, I'm like,

• 25:51Speaker 03

  Are you just gonna insult her?

• 25:52Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, I'm like, do I just say she's a bad mom? Like, that's not gonna work.

• 25:55Speaker 03

  Well, you see, like, she's a drunk, sir.

• 25:58Shaan Puri?

  So I'm like, I'm the primary caretaker of this baby. And then like, you know, like I even remember the baby's middle name at this point. And then she's like, she's like, so could your wife take care of the baby? And I'm like, oh God, like I'm going way deeper in than I thought I was gonna go. And so I'm like, yeah, but I just wouldn't feel comfortable with it. And then she's like, why?

• 26:19Speaker 03

  You're like, look, your honor, it's, what is it? Noon? She's already about eight San X deep. Okay.

• 26:24Shaan Puri?

  I basically made my wife sound like either a bad mom or like a drug addict or something. I like, she's a drunk. And so I was like, you know what? I'll be fine. I'll be here. Can't wait to, can't wait. I'll be, I'll be there. And so I just let it pass. Girl next to me, she goes, the lady asks, uh, she was like, can you do it? Um, and she was like, no. And the judge goes, why not? She goes, It's against my religion. I don't believe you should judge anyone. And she's like, what religion is that? She goes, and she cited a Bible passage, which was like, like basically about like, don't, don't judge anyone therefore, you know, because they don't judge you or something. And the judge was like, okay, thank you. You're dismissed.

• 27:02Sam Parr?

  Yeah, couldn't you?

• 27:02Shaan Puri?

  Oh, my God.

• 27:03Sam Parr?

  Whoa.

• 27:03Shaan Puri?

  That was it.

• 27:04Sam Parr?

  Couldn't you have just told them you're racist or something?

• 27:07Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, I thought about that, but I was like, I was in a very diverse crowd. I was like, I still have to like, in case I don't get off with that, I don't want to be around these people where I'm saying a lie that I'm racist. So I, you know, it was a tough in the, in the moment, but it was the big, the biggest L I had was, uh, just embarrassing myself. And by the way, it was so fun. Jury Diddy was a great time and I'm glad I got to do it. It was a great opportunity.

• 27:31Sam Parr?

  Uh, was, did you make them guilty or innocent?

• 27:34Shaan Puri?

  I didn't get picked in the end for the actual eight in the box or whatever that like the people who actually go sit there. I just didn't get dismissed early, so I, I.

• 27:42Steph Smith?

  So you spent the day?

• 27:43Shaan Puri?

  I spent three days there.

• 27:45Sam Parr?

  You should wear a purple heart, man. You, look at you, you really just taking one for the country.

• 27:50Shaan Puri?

  It was true.

• 27:51Sam Parr?

  Um, what's your stuff?

• 27:53Steph Smith?

  Guys, I swear my answers get better from here. My biggest personal L, um, was staying in a job too long. No shade to my previous employer, but I think.

• 28:02Sam Parr?

  Sounds like a lot of shade.

• 28:04Steph Smith?

  No, no, I promise. I promise.

• 28:07Shaan Puri?

  Sounds like a canopy.

• 28:09Steph Smith?

  I just, I, you guys know, I was working on a podcast for three years. Um, it was a really cool opportunity, but I think the epitome of when other people think you should be good at something and you think therefore you should be good at something and that you should figure it out versus like driving full force towards the thing that you love doing, so.

• 28:31Sam Parr?

  And it was a pretty prestigious job. I think a lot of people would have been drunk off that as well.

• 28:36Steph Smith?

  Yeah. And so now I'm at Grok, um, working on growth and it's just for me, way more fun.

• 28:41Shaan Puri?

  And Steph, did we not have a conversation about this? Did I not tell you?

• 28:45Steph Smith?

  Did we?

• 28:45Shaan Puri?

  If this was the case? Did I not try to tell you to don't carry this, this guilt or this feeling like you need to, to prove whatever and that you're a superstar and you should be doing superstar things? I think I gave you that. You're a superstar, you should be doing superstar things. Talk.

• 28:58Steph Smith?

  You a hundred percent did about a year in and it took me two more years to make the call myself.

• 29:03Shaan Puri?

  It didn't land.

• 29:03Steph Smith?

  Yeah.

• 29:04Shaan Puri?

  I'm not very persuasive. All right. Um, next category we have is

• 29:09Sam Parr?

  coolest moment.

• 29:10Shaan Puri?

  Coolest moment of the year.

• 29:12Sam Parr?

  I've got a good one.

• 29:13Shaan Puri?

  Actually, can we, can we skip to, let's do a couple of the, the non-personal stories. We'll come back to that one. So let's do, um, you want to do Billy of the year or favorite guest? Which one do you want to do?

• 29:24Sam Parr?

  Let's do, um, uh, Billy of the year.

• 29:27Shaan Puri?

  Okay. Billy of the year. Um, Sam, you go first.

• 29:30Sam Parr?

  Yes, I did this podcast with this guy named Steve Houghton. Steve Houghton is a billionaire via, uh, real estate and oil and gas, which is very vague, but I can explain. But, uh, at the end of the pod, I like, made like a, a joke because we had talked about this whole podcast about how he was a billionaire, but it seemed like his kids really loved him. And I like made an offhand comment like, yeah, man, I should, I gotta come out and see how you manage your family sometimes. It's, it's an inspiration. And without skipping a beat, he was like, how about in four weeks, we're going to be at our, uh, ski house. Um, we have a room for you. And I was like, all right. And, uh, I just said, yes. And then I had to go downstairs with my wife. I go, pack your bags, Sarah. We'll go to Utah. And she's like, with who? I was like, I met this guy, I just did a podcast with him. I've only known him for 60 minutes. I don't know anything about him, but we're going to his house.

• 30:11Sam Parr?

  And I got to his house and it was amazing. And it was amazing for a bunch of reasons because I got to see how he like, uh, worked with his family and it was really amazing. But it was pretty funny. They say money doesn't buy happiness, but I was very happy being in the 17,000 square foot home with his entire family. And I, I mean, this sounds like I'm being a, a D-bag, but this is the truth. I do think that wealthy people see their grown kids more than non-wealthy people, simply for the fact that there was room for all of us to be there and be comfortable. And it was amazing. And I've since like stayed in touch with his kids and he had another family there as well. And it was such a fun experience. And so Steve Houghton was my Billy of the week. Billy of the year.

• 30:49Shaan Puri?

  Billy of the year. Love it. Steph, who you got? Billy of the year?

• 30:53Steph Smith?

  All right. So I tried to start from the perspective of what is a piece of technology that I think is just incredible and mattered this year. That piece of technology for me was Waymo. Um, a lot of people are familiar with it. I got to interview their chief, chief product officer a few years ago in a Waymo and it's kind of crazy. And when you actually think about it, I think that was Max two years ago, maybe three. And when we were riding in that car in San Francisco, people at that time were still like peering into the windows, like, oh my God, look at that crazy thing. And in the last few years, at least in San Francisco, Phoenix, a few other cities, it is so normal. There's Waymos upon Waymos upon like there's, I've been at intersections

• 31:37Steph Smith?

  where there's eight Waymos at that intersection. Does it make traffic faster?

• 31:43Steph Smith?

  No, not necessarily, but I think if you could have all the cars on the road, it would make traffic faster for sure. But the person I chose, the Billy, I don't know if he's actually a billionaire, so I'm cheating a little bit, but he's for sure a hundreds of millionaire, is Sebastian Thrun. He was one of the early He's like the father, godfather of self-driving. Exactly. So let me throw out a few different pieces of his timeline. So he was motivated by personal tragedy. His childhood friend was killed in a car accident when he was 18. That got him invested in trying to figure out this self-driving equation. In 2005, so 20 years ago, DARPA had a grand challenge funded by the US government. His team won.

• 32:26Steph Smith?

  Then, 2007, he goes and he joins Google. And he didn't just create Waymo, he also co-founded and led Google X, their moonshot factory. He co-developed Google Street View. And of course, he was one of the creators of Waymo way back when. But here's the thing, he left in 2014 and he's also gone on to do some really cool shit. So in 2011, he put out this introduction to artificial intelligence course online for free. 160,000 students enrolled. Because he saw how people could learn online, you don't need to be at Stanford to learn about AI, he created Udacity in 2011. And then since then, he's

• 33:06Steph Smith?

  also led the Kitty Hawk Corporation. They were building electric flying cars. Didn't ultimately end up working out, but that's another thing that he's been like super early to. We're now seeing these EV tool companies, you know, get off the ground. I just think this guy is super cool. Like, he's been early to all of these trends and is just like Continuing to build, even though he's already, you know, he was early to Waymo. He's rich and he's just continuing to double.

• 33:32Sam Parr?

  This guy's prolific. Good find.

• 33:34Shaan Puri?

  There's a, there's like a lineage, I think of people under him. Like he had his initial lab, maybe at Stanford or whatever. And then somebody who was doing self-driving, he was describing like, you know, basically all the modern self-driving kind of like leaders. If you just trace their kind of lineage, it's like he had six people or seven people under him. It was that school of thought that sort of like branched out and created like all the different people in the industry today. So he's very much like, uh, what was, was a sort of grandfather or godfather to that, to the industry.

• 34:04Sam Parr?

  He's also, um, he's got some range because like he created a, uh, you know, these cars things, which is like the most brilliant thing on earth. But then also he has a course business and his, that's, I'm being silly a little bit, but that's like not in my opinion, in the same category of, of, of flying cars. But it's Udacity to me is a very respectable, like amazing thing. And so it's pretty cool how much range he has.

• 34:30Steph Smith?

  Yeah. So all of us who create courses, we're just like these self-driving car guys, right?

• 34:34Sam Parr?

  We have to do the other half.

• 34:35Steph Smith?

  Same range.

• 34:35Shaan Puri?

  Usually range is like wide. This is almost like up and down.

• 34:39Sam Parr?

  Yeah. Our barbell doesn't have the weight on the other side yet. So it's a little awkward to hold. So we definitely have to go and do that, but that's pretty cool though.

• 34:48Shaan Puri?

  All right. Mine, um, came down to a coin flip between John Morgan and Jesse Cole. I went with Jesse Cole. So, uh, we did an episode with him on the podcast and I was incredibly inspired by this guy. So he's done what I think is basically impossible. If somebody had told me that like 10 years ago, like, hey, there's going to be somebody who is going to make a minor league baseball team, have, you know, more followers on social media than the Yankees. And by the way, and all other MLB teams combined. They're going to have like a 3 million person waitlist and be selling out 80,000 person stadiums. And that he bootstrapped the business with his wife to, you know, a hundred million plus.

• 35:31Shaan Puri?

  I just think that is like, that is playing business on like such hard mode. That is like the equivalent, if you're non-technical, that's the equivalent of rockets that land themselves. It's to take a minor league baseball team that nobody gives a shit about, in a league that nobody gives a shit about, with players that nobody's ever heard of, and turn it into this incredible entertainment thing. And the way he did it was just so like, I don't know, from the soul and passionate, right? Like, there's a lot of creativity in, you know, being basically a modern day like P T Barnum. There was a lot of this like passion and soul to like the hustle to do this. Like, you know, he's on the pod, he's written four books behind him, they do a show every weekend, you know, like they're traveling the world, he's just doing everything. And it's just like, man, I would, I would never, ever, ever be able to do something like that.

• 36:17Shaan Puri?

  And then the last thing was like, I don't know, he was just a sweetheart when he was on the pod. He was such a nice guy, so genuine. I think Samby told me like, they foster like kids as well. I was just like, geez, how good, like, how good is this human being? And I just feel like we are lucky that there's somebody as kind of creative and such a like force of creativity. And as this guy like walking the earth, I think I even told him that on the pod, like,

• 36:41Sam Parr?

  Yeah, it was a great line.

• 36:41Shaan Puri?

  I'm glad you are walking the earth, which I've never like felt the need to say to another man, but I did that day.

• 36:46Sam Parr?

  We, we used to joke and have this concept of like the total man. And it was like, what does it mean to be like a great man? And he is one of the maybe three people we've had in the podcast that I would go in that category where he's like, I felt, I was like, you are, you are a very special human being and you are the epitome of what it means to be a man.

• 37:03Shaan Puri?

  We should have just been like, can you lift your shirt up? If you've got a visible ab, you're, if you have visible abs, you are in the club, my friend. Like, that's the only thing that we, it's like, the fitness side is the only other part of the total man franchise that we don't know about him yet.

• 37:16Sam Parr?

  I think that, um, you know, we've talked about this podcast on living a rich life, which means like there's business, there's family, there's, there's having a good life, there's treating people wonderfully. I think that he is one of the richest people that we've ever had in the podcast in terms of a holistic rich life. He felt like a very special person. If you look to his Instagram, like he like pays tribute to his wife, he talks about his team. You see him like giving these inspirational talks to his, to the players. I was just like, this guy's got no flaws. It almost, it was kind of intimidating.

• 37:47Shaan Puri?

  The, the one little nugget that just kind of showed a lot was they, um, they don't charge, they eat the sales tax on ticket prices. So they're like, it's $25 for a ticket, flat. And it's like, okay, so but you know, there's always tax plus tax. He's like, no, no, no, we, we, we pay that. We eat the, we eat the cost of that. It's like, at the scale that they operate at, that's just millions and millions of a year. Just so that the average customer, when they're checking out, feels like they were kind of taken care of versus, you know, being stuck it to. And which is how, you know, Ticketmaster and these, these, these other, you know, things, Live Nation, like you do, when you go buy from them, you just feel like you're just being, you know, mugged basically at the checkout counter, right? It's like, oh, and then here's the service fee, convenience fee, parking fee, and this fee, and like,

• 38:32Shaan Puri?

  it's now triple the cost. And I just thought like that little nugget of like how they, they don't just leave money on the table, but they put money back on the table. I thought told a lot about like, you know, actions versus words. Everybody says they're customer friendly. Who actually, who actually does that? Very few people.

• 38:49Sam Parr?

  We made, we talked to him, we were like, um, he made a comment where he was like, whatever you see that you've seen for predictions on how big our business is, it's much bigger. And so like, I thought that was really cool too. And he didn't even say it as a flex. I think we like teased it out of him. But he didn't talk about numbers at all, other than that one comment. And I thought that was really cool.

• 39:09Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, that was amazing. Um, all right. Next category we'll do is, um, we'll do the one we were about to do, which was, uh, what was the biggest personal?

• 39:18Sam Parr?

  Coolest moment in life.

• 39:20Shaan Puri?

  Coolest moment.

• 39:21Sam Parr?

  I've got one. I've got one. So Sean organizes this thing where we go to Mr. Beast's house and, um, or his town and we like, tour his property and play basketball with a bunch of successful people. Last year, he had someone that was like the 90th richest person in the world. He had all these powerful people. He had Mr. Beast and Mr. Beast was giving us a tour of his campus. It felt like a movie studio. And all of these guys there were trying to kind of be cool a little bit in posture and not, and like Mr. Beast was, was, was saying the most ridiculous things that you could imagine. Like we have this guy living in this home for one whole year, and he can't leave the home until he loses a hundred pounds. And he's like, I spent this much money on this studio and like, we're doing this.

• 40:02Sam Parr?

  And he's just saying like ridiculous stuff. And everyone was trying to be cool. Like, yep, this is what it takes to be the best. Totally get it. Jesse Itzler, who was there, was in the back and he was like, this is the craziest thing. He was like, why isn't anyone calling this guy out? This is the most ridiculous stuff I've ever seen. I can't believe this. How does one person live this way? This is just insane. And Jesse Itzler was like the most sane person there, which he wasn't like insulting Mr. Beast, but he was like, he, and he was like a very reasonable person. And Jesse Itzler, I think him and his family are billionaires or near billionaires. He's very successful. And we've met Sean, a lot of people on the internet who appear a certain way. We've met him in real life and there's some, oftentimes there's a gap. Or if you do meet them in real life, you think, I don't want to be like you. Jesse Itzler, it was one of the coolest moments of my life to meet that guy.

• 40:45Sam Parr?

  Cause he was exact, he was better than he appears on the internet. And he was very inspirational. And he was like, can we acknowledge that this is just insane and ridiculous? It's cool, but it's just like, this is insane. And then like, there was a funny thing where Mr. Beast, like he parks his car like in front of the entrance of the, of the building. Like he drives his car over the parking lot. Jesse made fun of him. He's like, dude, there's an open spot right there. What are you doing? And I just thought it was funny that he was like, A, teasing him and B, the, he was just-

• 41:13Shaan Puri?

  He didn't get swept up in it like the rest of us did.

• 41:15Sam Parr?

  No, no. And it was so funny. And we were talking about some ridiculous stuff. Like we had a billionaire there who was talking about how aliens are real. And he knows this because he hangs out with like White House people. Like it was like pretty funny stuff. It felt like-

• 41:25Steph Smith?

  Did you see that new documentary, by the way? About that topic in particular?

• 41:29Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, there's like a, there's like a documentary, what is it called? Do you remember the name?

• 41:34Steph Smith?

  Let me pull it up.

• 41:34Sam Parr?

  When we were there, it was, it was, I don't know if, I won't say who it was, but it was a very powerful person who goes, tomorrow you're going to see a news story about aliens. I know all about it and they're real. Like he was talking about it.

• 41:46Steph Smith?

  Yeah, it's called The Age of Disclosure. I watched it. Color me not fully convinced, but you know, you should watch it.

• 41:55Shaan Puri?

  Partially convinced?

• 41:56Sam Parr?

  Did you agree that Jesse Itzler was just the man?

• 42:00Shaan Puri?

  Yeah. So, so my coolest moment's also Jesse Itzler. We didn't plan this, but-

• 42:04Steph Smith?

  No way.

• 42:05Shaan Puri?

  I was at his house yesterday. I flew to his house. I spent, I spent all yesterday with him. And my coolest moment has to do with that. So-

• 42:13Sam Parr?

  What were you doing with him? Recording a podcast?

• 42:16Steph Smith?

  Sam's, Sam's jealous.

• 42:17Shaan Puri?

  Sam, you knew we were doing this.

• 42:19Steph Smith?

  Sam's coolest moment was meeting the guy and you just dunked on him being like, I hung out with him yesterday.

• 42:23Sam Parr?

  Well, he did a, he did a talk in Manhattan just the other day, but I already had planned, so I didn't even get to go. So it just shows how much I really care, but no, he was-

• 42:32Shaan Puri?

  So, uh, so I just flew to his house. So, uh, so the coolest moment of the year. All right. So last year, this time last year, Jesse came on the podcast and he explained his New Year's planning, uh, process and philosophy, how he attacks the new year. And Sam, I don't know if you remember, but you know, we were both pretty inspired by it. And one of his core concept is this concept of a misog. So he says, you know, the years fly by, you know, if you asked me right now, what did you do in 2018? I, I don't know. I'd have to really think, how old was I? Where was I living? What was I doing? Whereas what he does is he picks a misog, which is a Japanese ritual of a, a challenge, a hard year defining thing. So you'll always remember, oh, that was the year I hiked, you know, this, I hiked Everest. That was the year I did my first

• 43:17Shaan Puri?

  Ironman. That was the year I did XYZ. And he could tell you 2015, 2016, 2017, you know, 2015, that's the year that David Goggins lived in my house. And I trained with Goggins. 2016, that was the year I lived with the monks. 2017, that was the year I did my first whatever. And so after the pod, I was trying to, I was like, pretty inspired. I was like, what am I going to do? And, um, you know, Jesse's really adventurous. He's big into these like endurance races. That's never something I've been like drawn to. So I had the, I had the will, but I didn't have the idea. And that night I'm, uh, before I went to bed, I was watching, I was on YouTube and I saw this recommended video of this. I don't even know why I clicked it. It was like this dude playing the piano. And it was this, uh, guy who's, he's this Italian composer.

• 44:01Shaan Puri?

  He's basically the most famous piano player in the world at this point. He's like a modern day composer and he was playing this song and he was playing a performance he did at the Steve Jobs Theater, which was like 10 minutes away from where I was, I was at my sister's house, 10 minutes away from her house where I was that night. And I saw it and I was like, what if I did this this year? Like, forget business, forget, I was like, what if I, what if this was the year I learned, you know, I can't dance. I can't sing. I've never played a musical instrument. Like I don't have that innate talent. But like, what if this was, what if that's a thing I picked up? What if I could just jam out on the piano? Specifically, what if I could play this song? And so, as you know, Sam, I've been practicing all year and I I love the Instagram stuff. I've been learning to play.

• 44:44Shaan Puri?

  And, uh, but you know, the one thing I didn't do was like, hey, the way Jesse's philosophy is, is that that you, when you decide you're gonna do something, you don't just make it a wish or like a goal. You plan a date. It's like, I'm gonna run this race on this day. I'm gonna take my kids here on this day. It's on the calendar. It's a thing I'm working towards. So that was the one part I never did. I was like, I don't know, what am I gonna do? A piano recital? Like, uh, I'm not like seven years old. I don't know what to do. So yesterday I'm at his house and he's giving us a tour and I'm there to do a podcast with him, the, the, another annual planning thing. And he's, we're walking by, he's like, oh, this is my favorite thing in the house. This is a piano my mother gave me before she died. And I was like, do you play? He's like, no, I've never, nobody's ever played this piano. Like, you know, since we, we got it. It's just, it's here, but I love it.

• 45:27Shaan Puri?

  And I'm like, in my head, I'm like, oh, this might be the perfect thing. Like, that was my misogi last year when we did our annual planning. We're doing it this year. He doesn't know that he kinda triggered me to actually like go do something. So I was like, I'm gonna do this. So when we were talking about it, I go, can I show you mine? My, my misogi? And he's like, whoa, what, what do you mean? I was like, let's walk over here. And so we go and I play this song. Now, I'm playing this song. No, no, it's not a singing thing. It's just a, it's just a piano song. I'm playing this song and just the context here is like, I've been playing this every day in my house. I play upstairs in my room and honestly, like, nobody particularly gives a fuck. Like, my wife is like, "Good for you, but can you come help with dinner?" Like, you know, like, you know, it's, she's like in the middle of three little kids, like,

• 46:09Shaan Puri?

  you know, I'm, it's not like I'm getting a pat on the back for this thing. My kids don't really care about classical piano music. My wife doesn't really care. I have never really played for anybody else. And so, uh, this is my first time ever playing for anybody. And I turned when I was done and it was like the craziest thing. So Jesse's there, he's crying. His head of strategy there, she's crying, holding the phone. Sarah, his wife, who I'd never met, she's the founder of Spanx, had come downstairs because she heard somebody playing the piano. She's, she's like weeping. We have this, this is gonna be crazy. It's all on camera too. I happened to have a camera guy there because we're recording the podcast. So basically like, there's this full circle moment of last year he planted the seed. I worked hard on it all year. No, there was no real like payoff for it.

• 46:54Shaan Puri?

  There's no like purpose for doing. I just wanted to do it. And then there was like this amazing payoff moment. Where they actually gave a shit about like what I was doing and they like appreciated. They were like, that was amazing. And um, I had never felt that like ever. And so it was for me, it was not only the coolest moment of years, one of the coolest moments of my life. If I'm being perfectly honest, I'm a little embarrassed to say it, but it really was this like incredible. Like high this and it was totally serendipitous. I didn't plan for any of that to happen. It's this um, song called, I don't even know how you say it properly. It's like Italian, but it's new vol. Beyond shattered. I don't know how you spell this. Let's pronounce the second word, but I'll, I'll put it in the description. That's awesome.

• 47:35Shaan Puri?

  It's this great song. And I was like this, I was like, I don't know what's happening. I don't know why everyone's crying. I don't know what's going on, but like, I feel like my parking pass just got extremely validated just now. Thank you guys for that.

• 47:46Steph Smith?

  That is so cool.

• 47:48Shaan Puri?

  What did they say afterwards? Dude, he couldn't even continue the pod for like 20. He's like, dude, I'm blown away. He's like, I, he's like, I, I need like a minute. And he's like, he was like, that is so cool. He's like, you know, you're 37 years old. You pick up an instrument like. You can do that in a year. He's like, if you could do that in a year and his son had come down to listen while we were doing it and um. He's like, I'm just so happy my son saw and heard that because I hope it planted a seed with him of like, yo, you can. If he could do that in, in 11 months or whatever. Like dude, dude, you could do anything, like anything is on the table for you. And he was just like very inspired by it. And I was like, here's a guy who I admire, like you and I have both talked about this, like he's our kind of like.

• 48:29Shaan Puri?

  Entrepreneurial North Star, like a guy who lives a, a life well lived all around, you know, four kids. Beautiful relationship with his wife, does all these adventurous trips with his friends. He's in great shape. He runs 100 mile marathons. He's had incredible business success. He's a great, you know, consecrator, you know, he, he's just a prolific guy, you know, he's built brands like Zico coconut water and. Sold a company to Warren Buffett. It's like, what more do you want out of life, right? Like this guy's done, he's played a game in a way that I would love to play the game, the game of life. Um, and so to kind of get like that moment with somebody who I kind of admire, that was, that was definitely my coolest moment of the year. That's really great. That's a very touching story.

• 49:07Steph Smith?

  I gotta say, I, when I first saw that you were learning piano, I thought that was the coolest thing I had ever heard about you. So I think there's something, no, genuinely, like, that's not to dismiss any of the other stuff, but I was just like, you know, when you're a creator online, as we talked about earlier, people make these assumptions about you, they kind of sometimes dictate what is in your orbit. And for you to be like, no, no, no, this is, this is something I want to learn. I might not even be sure exactly why, but I'm gonna go do it. It's not what people expect. And then to do what you just did, like, I actually think that is so cool.

• 49:46Sam Parr?

  Yeah, I commented on this podcast. I was like, you know, all this business stuff is great, but the piano thing, it's for some reason oddly inspiring.

• 49:54Shaan Puri?

  Well, the funny thing is like, in the moment, it never feels that way, right? Because like, I'm walking out of my piano teacher's class, there's only, it's like, all right, Brandon, good luck, buddy. You know, there's only seven year olds there, you know, their parents are there, they're looking around like, where's your kid? I'm like, no, no, it was me. Like, I was the one getting the lesson, the piano lesson. And it was just like, kind of an odd thing to be doing, you know, pretty regularly. But, you know, again, trusted my gut, went with it, just like leaned into it, you know, it was like, all right, I'm having fun. So what, I'm not forcing myself to do something I don't want to do. Why does everything have to be like with an agenda? And, you know, this kind of like validated, like, yeah, just keep doing that. Good things do happen when you, as you keep doing that. Don't worry. Like, you'll also get the rewards you seek in life, even when you're doing the stuff that seems like it has, you know, no rewards, you're just doing it because you like it.

• 50:38Sam Parr?

  Next podcast, I want to know all, all of what it was about, hanging out with him.

• 50:42Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, we'll do.

• 50:43Sam Parr?

  What about you?

• 50:44Steph Smith?

  My coolest moment, I was in between two, I did a big trip to Africa. And if you haven't done gorilla trekking, it is one of the most incredible things I've ever done.

• 50:55Shaan Puri?

  Gorilla trekking? What did you say?

• 50:57Steph Smith?

  Trekking, yes. Yeah, trekking, tracking, you do both. Basically, there are-

• 51:01Shaan Puri?

  Are you tracking down a gorilla or are you doing something?

• 51:03Steph Smith?

  There's families of gorillas that live, we did it in Rwanda, they have it in Uganda, not many countries other than that. And they're wild. So, yeah, they live in the wild and they move every night. So they have these trackers who go out every day and try to locate them. And then you trek through the rainforest, truly, like there's mud up to your knees at points and try to find them-

• 51:28Shaan Puri?

  Which, which place?

• 51:29Steph Smith?

  Rwanda. But, super cool experience. But my actual answer is going to see the World Series with my dad. He's been a Blue Jays fan since I, before I was born. The last time they won the World Series was in 93. They had a double year, 92, 93. And then I was born and ruined it all. And so he, he kind of makes fun of me for that every year and is like, also the person who goes and is like, is their year, is their year? They made these trades, watches every game, you know, 160 plus. And he's also where I get every ounce of my cheapness from. And so he would never, ever buy tickets for himself.

• 52:07Steph Smith?

  And so, um, yeah, her, you know, once they hit the World Series, I flew home, bought him tickets for game six when they had their first chance to win. Didn't win, then yelled at it for game seven, totally worth it. Like, can't really think of a better way-

• 52:21Shaan Puri?

  Oh, you did two in a row. That's awesome.

• 52:23Steph Smith?

  Yeah, I mean, I wish they had won either of them because they lost, but, um, yeah.

• 52:29Shaan Puri?

  That's amazing. That's a, that's a, that's a great thing to do. That's a really great thing to do. I could see why all NBA players, like their first thing is like, I bought my mom a house. It's like, I think there's probably like very few things you could do that will like, you know, feel as good as like taking your dad or your mom to like, to do something that, that they would love to do, they'd never do for themselves. And like, you know, get to do that with them when you're a grown up.

• 52:49Sam Parr?

  Do you guys want to combine frame breaking person and favorite guest?

• 52:54Shaan Puri?

  Okay, what you got?

• 52:55Sam Parr?

  So, um, well, do you have a favorite guest?

• 52:58Shaan Puri?

  Well, let's explain what frame breaking is. Okay, so me and Sam use this term a lot. Frame breaking, everybody walks around with some frame, and frame is like a border, right? And everything that's inside the border is what you sort of, I'm used to that. I've seen that, I expect that, that's what's in the picture, that's how wide my lens goes. And then occasionally you'll meet these people who will just completely break your frame. And it's like, oh, I didn't, like, it's like, imagine a painting where somebody just starts drawing past the frame onto the wall. You're like, what? You can't go out there. And so this is maybe somebody with like, extreme ambition, or they live life to the fullest in this way that you don't really do. Or they're really, you know, really intentional about their time. Or, you know, there's these things that people do that you thought you knew what level 10 looked like in that category. And then you realize, oh, what I thought was a 10 is a 7.

• 53:43Shaan Puri?

  And now I know what a 10 looks like. I actually, like, somebody's broken my frame. They've turned the volume knob up further than I thought it could go in that aspect of their life. So, that's the setup. Who, who was your frame breaking person?

• 53:55Sam Parr?

  So there's this Aristotle quote that I've been thinking about for like, a year now. I think last, last time when we did this, I was saying I was trying to use my phone less. And there's Aristotle quote, it says, excellence is never an accident. It's always the result of high intention, sincere effort, and intelligent execution. And the reason I think about that all the time is because, I don't know about you guys, but like, if I'm on a Zoom meeting, I'm probably browsing the internet. If I'm watching TV, I probably have my phone up and I'm doing something. Like, there's this constant pattern of interruption and never focusing on something. And it's kind of been tearing me apart. It's kind of making me gone mad. And so I've been working so hard on being intentional about my attention and focusing on excellence, but in a very few amount of things. So just picking a couple of things and being great.

• 54:39Sam Parr?

  And we had this guy, I don't think you were here, Sean, but we had this guy named Will Gudara, who wrote this book called Unreasonable Hospitality. And the story is, if you guys have seen The Bear, it's one of the inspirations for The Bear, the TV show. But basically, the story is that he owned this very famous restaurant in New York called 11 Madison. And they're famous for going above and beyond. For example, uh, someone was-

• 55:00Shaan Puri?

  Wasn't it the top rated restaurant in the country? It's like the claim to fame, right?

• 55:04Sam Parr?

  It was the top rated restaurant in the country, in part because the food was was special. It was a Michelin star place, so it was like fancy. But the other part was that they were known for being unreasonably hospitable. So I'll give you an example. They had this couple or a family from Europe come to the restaurant that they'd planned for months to attend. And Will or a waiter overheard them say, we're leaving tomorrow. But the one thing we didn't get to experience was a New York street hot dog. And so Will has this guy at his company who they called them the Dream Weaver. And his only job was to make dreams come true to their customers. And so this guy ran outside and he bought a street hot dog or a couple of them. And they chopped them up and put like a cute garnish on it. So it sort of looked like it was a fancy restaurant food, but it was actually a street hot dog. And I said, we heard you talk about you wanting a hot dog.

• 55:50Sam Parr?

  Here you go. Your dreams have come become a reality. And that's rooted in like unreasonable hospitality. But the reality is it's about being excellent. And he gave this amazing spiel and it's crazy. This did not, I think this hit on Spotify, but it did not hit on YouTube. But this was the best podcast I'd ever recorded based, just of what he told me of the idea of just, he was like, we are going to go above and beyond and we are going to be excellent. And I found that to be kind of overfilling my cup, not just in the business category, but in life of just pursuing excellence for the sake of just trying to be great at a couple of things. And I found that to be a very inspirational book and I find him to be a very inspirational person. And he kind of broke my frame.

• 56:31Shaan Puri?

  That was awesome. That was an awesome rant and summary of it, too. I love that.

• 56:35Sam Parr?

  Thank you. It was awesome.

• 56:36Shaan Puri?

  That scene in The Bear is the best. They recreated that that idea in The Bear. And it was like peak, peak television.

• 56:43Sam Parr?

  It was the best. And then my favorite guest, sleeper of a guest, Sean Frank. So Sean Frank's this guy who's the CEO of Ridge Wallet, which is a popular wallet company. He, I wanted, guys, this guy is so funny and so interesting, Sean, because he's kind of like you and I, like he can, he's silly and everything. But his silliness is, I think he's actually a very serious person. And I found this blog that he wrote last year, listen to this. He said, my goal is to sell Ridge for a billion dollars in the next three years. I have to time it right because we're coming out of a bubble and interest rates are going to go up. And then they're going to come back down, hopefully by 2025. And then by 2026 or 27, I'm going to sell this company. And I just thought it was hilarious that this guy like called his shot like that. And if you listen to the podcast that we had with him, he was a very direct person.

• 57:29Sam Parr?

  And I find that to be incredibly refreshing. So I think Sean Frank was my favorite guest.

• 57:32Shaan Puri?

  He's a great follow on Twitter as well.

• 57:35Sam Parr?

  Dude, he's like a wholesome guy, but he's very blunt and I find that to be a very cool combination.

• 57:39Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, he's funny.

• 57:40Sam Parr?

  So that's my favorite. That's my favorite frame breaking people.

• 57:43Shaan Puri?

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• 58:11Steph Smith?

  Sure. Have you guys heard of Fiona Oakes?

• 58:15Shaan Puri?

  No, who is that?

• 58:17Steph Smith?

  Frame breaking person. Okay. So I discovered her because I've gotten into running lately and I watched this documentary.

• 58:24Sam Parr?

  Spell her name?

• 58:25Steph Smith?

  Fiona Oakes, O A K E S. This documentary was about her. It's called Running for Good, the Fiona Oakes Documentary. Okay. So get this, she has been a vegan since she was six. She lost her kneecap at age 17 due to an injury and medical complications. Yet she is this crazy marathon woman. She lives some in some like farm area in England. She just runs a crazy number of miles. Doctors to other patients who have lost their kneecaps are like, you can't even walk downhill. She's running these marathons. She has multiple world records. And the craziest part is she does all of this because she just loves animals so much.

• 59:08Steph Smith?

  She didn't grow up running and like, you know, enter competitions. She wasn't on cross country. She just one day realized, oh, I'm pretty fast. And then started entering marathons to win money so that she could go fund her farm business and take care of her animals better. So this woman was just like the most frame breaking. Cause I'm just like, who is this? And how is she running two 48 marathons? That's like six 24 minutes per mile. And she just does it like, no one knows who she is until, you know, someone discovered her and they're making documentaries about her. But she just, just the craziest combination of.

• 59:45Steph Smith?

  Things and she's just like, she's a world record holder.

• 59:49Shaan Puri?

  She ran marathons before she lost her kneecap also, or she started this hobby after?

• 59:55Steph Smith?

  I don't know how much running she was doing before the kneecap, but all of the records, all of the marathon wins.

• 1:00:01Sam Parr?

  She lost the knee at the age of 16.

• 1:00:04Steph Smith?

  Post, yeah, post kneecap.

• 1:00:07Sam Parr?

  And she's 56 now and she's doing this shit. It's pretty wild.

• 1:00:09Steph Smith?

  Yeah. It's crazy. The, the documentary is funny too, because they start out and they don't share any of her times. They're kind of hyping her up and you see her, she looks kind of old and you're like, okay, sure, you know, like she might be fast for a 50 year old, but she's not, no way she can be that fast. And then you actually look up her times and you're like, holy shit. This woman is a legend.

• 1:00:30Sam Parr?

  I don't know how these guys run so much. The more I run, the more hurt I get. Like, I get it.

• 1:00:35Shaan Puri?

  She doesn't have the kneecap.

• 1:00:38Shaan Puri?

  That's the trick. Are you, are you not, are you not willing?

• 1:00:41Sam Parr?

  Dude, remember that guy with the fake legs who ran the 400 meter in the Olympics?

• 1:00:45Steph Smith?

  Yes.

• 1:00:47Sam Parr?

  Oscar.

• 1:00:47Shaan Puri?

  Is that legal?

• 1:00:48Sam Parr?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:48Steph Smith?

  He also went to jail for like killing his girlfriend.

• 1:00:51Sam Parr?

  Yeah, he killed his wife. Yeah. Uh, I always thought that was nonsense. Why do these guys?

• 1:00:54Shaan Puri?

  He broke a frame or two.

• 1:00:55Sam Parr?

  Well, yeah. Like, why do they get to be in the Olympics? Like, they don't, like, they don't have any.

• 1:01:01Shaan Puri?

  Was he in the normal Olympics?

• 1:01:02Sam Parr?

  Yes. He was in the normal Olympics, which is nonsense. He doesn't have any like legs that can get full of lactic acid. They're like metal legs. Like, why does he get to go? Like, you know what I mean? It seems ridiculous.

• 1:01:11Shaan Puri?

  That is ridiculous.

• 1:01:12Sam Parr?

  It's ridiculous.

• 1:01:13Shaan Puri?

  I'm enraged.

• 1:01:13Sam Parr?

  Yeah. It's ridiculous. Fiona Oaks, what's the documentary called?

• 1:01:19Steph Smith?

  It is called Running for Good, the Fiona Oaks Documentary. Really crazy title.

• 1:01:22Shaan Puri?

  Did you have a favorite guest also, or you, do you want to just use her for both?

• 1:01:26Steph Smith?

  No, I've got a favorite guest. Uh, you mentioned him before, so maybe he's your favorite guest. He's, uh, recent, John Morgan. I listened to a bunch of the episodes and there were people, like, there was the exploding kittens guy, there was Eric Ryan, there was Sheil, like, all of those people I went into the episode expecting to like. I went into this episode expecting to not like John Morgan. And he just was incredible. The, the number of businesses that he's gone into, whether it's his attraction stuff, apartments, ad agency, tech company, is insane. But it was his one-liners that I was just like, dude, this guy simplifies. The, all of this like shit that us tech company people over complicate into just the best lines.

• 1:02:11Steph Smith?

  He's like, I don't hunt deer, I hunt money. When he's talking about his URL, he's like, I went for,

• 1:02:17Sam Parr?

  Justice for all.

• 1:02:19Steph Smith?

  Yeah, he was like, basically, I was worried people couldn't spell justice. So,

• 1:02:24Sam Parr?

  For the people.

• 1:02:25Steph Smith?

  Yeah, he went with for the people. He also like had this line where he's like, I'm good at sharing the profits. And I was like, you know what? There's actually something to that. Like so many people are so bad at spreading the wealth. And he's just like, look, I treat my people good. You know, I share the profits. Bullets before bombs, crazy number.

• 1:02:47Sam Parr?

  He got on and Sean and I, I think, I don't know who booked him, but we didn't know, I don't think we entirely knew what we were getting into because he's now he's on this tour. But like, there wasn't a lot of information about him. And we, I don't think we knew what we were getting into. I know I was going into it like, ah, we'll see. The first sentence, he goes, I got these attractions, this upside down museum. And he goes, and let me tell you, it [BLEEP] prints money.

• 1:03:14Shaan Puri?

  Oh, he didn't say money, [BLEEP] print.

• 1:03:16Sam Parr?

  Yeah, he goes, with [BLEEP] prints. He said the F word so hard and we don't say the F word really on this show. And we both like, eyes went open and we were like, buckle up, baby. We are going on a, on a roller coaster. This was something. And there was 20 lines and I showed it to my dad because Morgan and Morgan, I think is, they have an office in Missouri. So that's where the commercials. And he was like, you can't air this. This is going to ruin this guy's reputation. And I was like, I don't know, man. I think he knows what he was doing because he, I showed up, I would go, he said the F word literally 15 times. Another time he goes, do you know why we win? Our competitors, they're lawyers, they're shit. And like, and then he goes, and then he goes, and then when we win, we go into a case and they don't want to settle.

• 1:03:59Sam Parr?

  But six weeks in, they see how serious they are and they want to settle. And I go, [BLEEP] you.

• 1:04:06Sam Parr?

  And I take him for everything they're worth. Like he's like, he was a very vulgar guy, but it like,

• 1:04:11Shaan Puri?

  If I was like a Netflix showrunner, I'd just be like, I need to follow him around because I'm going to build like, you know, Ari Gold like characters around, you know, this guy's personality and the way he rolls.

• 1:04:21Sam Parr?

  And we go, why are you even, we said, why are you doing this? He goes, because it's good for business.

• 1:04:28Steph Smith?

  I also love that he's not, I mean, he built a tech company, but he's not in our tech world. So he'd be like, I was on the Business Insider or he'd be like, Sean, have you, are you aware of this thing called first principles thinking? And I was like, this guy's a G.

• 1:04:42Sam Parr?

  He said, my whole thesis was what would Google do?

• 1:04:47Shaan Puri?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:52Sam Parr?

  So that was awesome. Sean, what about yours?

• 1:04:54Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, he, I mean, he was amazing. Also, I would say one other thing about him, which is I had this opinion, I don't know from where it came from, but just by default, never even thought about it again, was personal injury lawyers, sleazy ambulance chaser, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, wait a minute. So what's his actual story? His brother gets basically paralyzed on the job, has poor representation. He gets mad about that, decides I'm going to go to law school, become a personal injury lawyer to fight for, you know, fight for that. And it's like, wait, yes, it's basically people who are, you know, it's you're fighting for the common man against large corporations for the most part. And it's like, I wonder why this isn't seen as a more, as a more noble profession. Like obviously there's aspects to it. I get why it gets that bad rep, but like, I don't know.

• 1:05:38Shaan Puri?

  I, I think it's, I think it's over, I think the, the public opinion is far overrated on, on negativity towards, towards this profession in this way.

• 1:05:48Sam Parr?

  I totally agree, man. Have you ever like known someone who got hurt at work and you're like, this is a travesty. These insurance companies should be paying you this much more. Like there's nothing you could do, you know? Have you ever like try, have you really got in a car? I've been in like a car, like my car got messed up and I was like, this car is worth way more than you guys are telling me, but I just gotta take it. Now imagine if this was like your mom who got hurt.

• 1:06:06Shaan Puri?

  Exactly. Yeah. I think most of his cases are against companies like insurance companies, right? So it's, it's a little weird that they have their reputation. All right, I have a frame breaking person that you guys probably don't know. Her name is Kristen Berman and Kristen is somebody I met at an event. I went to one of, I, I, that's why I lied. I did go to one event this year. I went to the dialogue conference. And honestly, didn't love the conference overall, but there was one conversation I thought was really great. And it was this conversation where Kristen was there. She is partners with Dan Ariely. So if you've ever read the book Predictably Irrational, he's like one of the famous behavioral economists in the world.

• 1:06:43Sam Parr?

  Like business partners or like married?

• 1:06:46Shaan Puri?

  They run Irrational Labs, which I think is like a consulting. So companies come to them and, you know, like Panda Express will come to them and be like, hey, we want to provide healthy options, but like, how do we frame this in a way that will be like, you know, people make the choices that they want? Or how do we get people to choose to insulate? How do we get people to choose to insulate their water heater? Cause it's good for the environment. It'll save the money, but we can't seem to get them to do it. What are, what are ways we could do that? So they'll go to them and try to say, you guys understand how people's consumer brains works? What are ways to do this? So anyways, she's telling this story. And the reason it's a frame breaking story is she, she made some money. So let's just, I don't know. I'll just make up some numbers. But she made a couple of million bucks, let's say.

• 1:07:26Shaan Puri?

  And at the time, her and her husband, and I think maybe kid, but her and her husband were living in, let's call it a two bedroom, like a two bed, you know, apartment. And what everybody I know does is you make money and then you upgrade your lifestyle. So you go from a two bed to a three bed, to a four bed, to a five bed, whatever. And then soon you're at the, Sam, you talked about like a 17,000 square foot mansion. And, you know, the more you keep going and that's how they use their money to improve their life. She, being a behavioral economist, had a very different perspective and it was not out of like trying to be a good person or do something different. She was just like, well, this is what the data tells us matters. And so she was like, uh, what she did was she kept the same apartment she was in, but she bought the three or four units right around her and created a basic compound.

• 1:08:10Shaan Puri?

  And then invited people who they really liked. So, you know, people that they basically built their own little micro community. So it's like, who would be an amazing neighbor?

• 1:08:18Sam Parr?

  Like they rented, she rented it at a good rate?

• 1:08:21Shaan Puri?

  To them for below market rent. And she's like, you know, I just, you know, it didn't even matter. We're not trying to make a rental property and get this cash flow. I'm not trying to upgrade my own lifestyle, live in this baller place. No, like the, basically the data says that like, the people you have around you, your close knit community is the number one thing that will improve your happiness. So we did that. So we bought these other units. We now have people, you know, like, kind of like who are friends or friends adjacent, like apply to come in. We're really rigorous about who gets in. And then when they're in, you know, they're a part of our life, you know, like they're, we see them all the time and it's been amazing. And she wasn't even really like preaching about this, but I was kind of like, wait a minute, like this is, I like, that sounds simple, sounds simple to do. I don't know anyone who's done that.

• 1:09:04Shaan Puri?

  Like, do you know anybody? We know a lot of rich people. Do you know anybody who's actually done that?

• 1:09:07Sam Parr?

  Well, I kind of did that. Me and Neville bought homes together.

• 1:09:10Shaan Puri?

  Bro, you moved away.

• 1:09:12Sam Parr?

  I had, yeah, I moved away.

• 1:09:13Shaan Puri?

  Opposite of doing that.

• 1:09:14Sam Parr?

  I moved away to be closer to, to family, but I will say we, we were intentional about it and it was freaking awesome.

• 1:09:20Shaan Puri?

  Yeah. You, you might be the only person I know who's also kind of like been like, I'm going to live on the same block as this person. And that's more important than getting the bathrooms with the marble and the way we want, you know, how most people I think pick and choose what they're going to do. In fact, most people I know who make money, they isolate themselves. They, they move into more private communities, bigger and bigger places with bigger and bigger lots. And they basically like create a pocket of loneliness because maybe their family, they can't afford to live right next to them.

• 1:09:47Sam Parr?

  Right.

• 1:09:48Shaan Puri?

  Or their friends aren't also in, in the same, you know, either category or looking to move at the same time. And they move into a place where other people are used to not talking to each other. And they, it's like isolationist. So I just thought this was amazing. It kind of broke my frame, but it was very inspiring because as much as I'm inspired to learn how to make money, I think Morgan Housel said it best. Like you can either use money in one of two ways. Number one, as a tool to improve your life, or number two, as a measuring stick to measure your, your self-worth. And I, you know, it's so easy to get caught in the money as a measuring stick thing, but money as a tool to improve your life, that means you got to learn how to spend it just as much as you got to learn how to make it. And so he's, you know, this, this was an example of like how to actually spend money to improve the quality of your life.

• 1:10:31Sam Parr?

  We should have her on. This sounds great.

• 1:10:33Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, we totally should. She was awesome.

• 1:10:36Sam Parr?

  That's cool. That's a great one. Uh, I'd never heard of this, uh, this person. That sounds badass. Does she have a book or anything? Or is her?

• 1:10:42Shaan Puri?

  Um, well, Predictably Rational was kind of like part of their thing. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know too much, but um, yeah, let's have her on. She's going to be great.

• 1:10:51Sam Parr?

  This is for the folks out there who have a business that does at least $3 million a year in revenue. Because around this point, that's when you're able to look up after being heads down for years building your company, and you realize two things. One, you've done something great, but you're still a long way from your final destination. And two, you look around and you realize, I am all alone. I've outrun my peers. Which means you're now making $10 million decisions alone, by yourself. And that is when mediocrity can creep in. My company Hampton, we solved this problem by giving a room of vetted peers, of other entrepreneurs who are going to hold you accountable, call you out on your nonsense, and help show you the way. Because the fact is, is that there's only a tiny number of people in your town who know what you're going through and who have been there.

• 1:11:36Sam Parr?

  And they're hard to find. The biggest risk is not failing. You have a company and it's working, you're going to be fine. But the biggest risk is waking up 10 years from now and saying, shit, I barely grew in business and in life. And for people like you who are ambitious, wasted potential, and regret is what we want to help you to avoid. We have made so many of these groups, and we have 1,000-plus members. And I know this stuff actually works. It can change your life. It changed mine, and I know it will change yours. So check it out, joinhampton.com.

• 1:12:07Sam Parr?

  And what's your favorite guest?

• 1:12:09Shaan Puri?

  Favorite guest was Nick Mowbray. So, this is basically the closest person to Elon Musk that I've ever met. Not like closest as in like friends, but like closest like, oh wow, you're basically like Elon. He just, you know, Elon was born in South Africa, this guy's in New Zealand, and he went into the toy industry. And if you haven't heard it, the pod he did, he does very few podcasts. I think when I was doing research, it was like one interview from like 15 years ago was the only thing I could find. And it took like 30 emails to get him to come on, and he was amazing. Such a good dude, and his story is like, like a movie.

• 1:12:47Shaan Puri?

  Literally like sleeping in a bush, you know, in China, trying to, trying to make it happen. Like it was just unbelievable, like the sort of sleeping on the factory floor mentality, the level of grit, living off a dollar a day until they made it. And now, you know, the brothers are the wealthiest men in New Zealand. They're built self-made billionaires, own the whole thing. Not only built one of the biggest toys, probably a top three toy company in the world, sitting in New Zealand, but also built like, you know, a top three diaper company, also built a top shampoo company. Like this guy is insane. Like, you know, he was saying how when he, he got like, uh, you know, that living off a dollar a day in China, eating McDonald's, uh, you know, like kind of off the dollar menu type of thing, got, you know, caught up to him and he had to like get his, like small intestine removed or something.

• 1:13:31Shaan Puri?

  And he's like, you know, when I was in recovery, sitting in the like hospital, I decided like, I was watching Tik Tok and I decided like, I'm going to build one of the biggest brands on Tik Tok. And he built like the biggest diaper brand as a side quest using Tik Tok. And I'm like, this guy is an animal to the point where after the pod, I don't think we caught this on the pod, but he said something like, I asked him, I was like, dude, you're like Elon, have you ever met Elon? He's like, no, I've never met, I would, I would love to have met him. He's like, you know, at one point, me and my brother, we were the largest shareholders in the world of Tesla stock. He's like, I'm a big fan. And I was like, what do you mean? He's like, yeah, I think we owned, I think they owned like, I forgot he said 1% or 4% of, of Tesla, just personally, they owned it. And he's like, yeah, we, you know, but then when COVID hit and like the world stopped

• 1:14:15Shaan Puri?

  and the factories had to shut down, we didn't know, we were in such a huge position. We, you know, we reduced during that time. He's like, huge mistake. We left like $15 billion on the table by not holding for the next five years. And he's like, um, but to the point where his brother like flew to California and installed cameras on buildings that had an angle at the Fremont factory. Cause they were like, this is such a huge position. We should monitor the factory production. And I was like, this is the most high agency person I've ever met in my life. Um, I was very, very inspired by Nick Mowbray.

• 1:14:46Sam Parr?

  It says on Wikipedia that they're both, they're worth collectively $20 billion. I didn't realize, I, I thought that he was a billionaire, like one billion. That's incredible.

• 1:14:55Shaan Puri?

  No. And now they're like 3D printing houses, like it's, it's, they're, they're doing crazy, crazy, crazy stuff.

• 1:15:01Sam Parr?

  And the base is just the toy company? Like that was the foundational of the wealth?

• 1:15:06Shaan Puri?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:08Steph Smith?

  That is so insane. When you hear these people who have side quests that are like orders of magnitude, bigger and better than anything you've ever built. Yeah, it's, it's wow.

• 1:15:19Sam Parr?

  Wow, that was awesome. You, I knew the story, but I didn't realize how successful they were. That's really amazing. Okay, we probably only have a couple more that we're gonna do. Do you wanna do? Which one do you wanna do?

• 1:15:31Shaan Puri?

  Biggest change you're making and then the meme of the year, maybe?

• 1:15:34Sam Parr?

  Well, yeah, what's yours? What's your biggest change?

• 1:15:37Shaan Puri?

  All right. So after hanging out with Jesse, I was like, what's my new Masogi gonna be? And we were both talking about, um, he was, he was, he's written a lot of books. But he was like, dude, honestly, he's like, I feel bad. He's like, I don't read that many books. He's like, I don't even read five books in a year. He's like, I can't believe it. It's something I really feel like I should change. And I was thinking about this. I've thought about it very similarly. And I was like, you know what?

• 1:16:00Shaan Puri?

  All right. And so I was like, took my phone and I just deleted X, deleted Twitter, deleted YouTube, deleted Reddit. And I was basically like, I think I can give myself back 10 to 15 hours a week of time and mind space. And I'm just gonna not consume any social this year. I'm just gonna get off social completely. I'll still post. I'll have my team like post stuff. Like I can create for social. I just can't consume. And I'm gonna, I call this the Luka Doncic trade. It's like, what if I could get the best thing back, you know, and which would be like reading some of the best books of all time? And I'll give up some crappy assets, you know, I'll give up, um, you know, some, some problem riddled assets, like, you know, all the, all these different social media apps.

• 1:16:44Shaan Puri?

  And so that's my trade I'm making, uh, for this year.

• 1:16:47Steph Smith?

  Damn, how, when did you make the change? Delete the apps?

• 1:16:51Shaan Puri?

  On the flight back.

• 1:16:53Steph Smith?

  So how many days ago?

• 1:16:56Steph Smith?

  I was like, I was like, how's it going so far?

• 1:16:58Shaan Puri?

  My change for next year. Yeah, I started early.

• 1:17:00Sam Parr?

  So it's like, I do, I used to use social media just like you guys yesterday. I know exactly how you feel.

• 1:17:07Shaan Puri?

  Oh, I can't wait to look down upon people who use social media. Imagine how self-righteous I can be.

• 1:17:13Sam Parr?

  That's a great move. I used, last year I used the brick for it, or I think it's called Brick or the Brick. It was really helpful. And I don't, actually don't have social media on my phone, but I do use it on my computer. So, which is not good either. But that's a good move.

• 1:17:28Shaan Puri?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:30Shaan Puri?

  You already do this. You read like 25 books a year and I think you're very like.

• 1:17:33Sam Parr?

  I read a lot of books lately.

• 1:17:35Shaan Puri?

  Breaking your phone, putting your phone in a box. I think you're, you're very self-actualized in that. Whereas I'm still like the, the mouse or the rat, like pushing the pedal, trying to get a pellet of cocaine out of the thing, you know?

• 1:17:45Sam Parr?

  Having a second kid has reduced my reading to like, close to nothing. Cause like, I get up extra early and I go to bed and I'm like.

• 1:17:51Shaan Puri?

  That makes me feel better.

• 1:17:52Sam Parr?

  I have to go to sleep. No, so I haven't read a full book in months. It's like, I'll get through something and I'm like, it's taken me a month to read this thing. Because I, like, I basically have to get up at six and I'm like, at 10, I have to go to sleep. I'm so exhausted. So, yeah, having kids has basically ruined, a second kid, has ruined my reading.

• 1:18:11Sam Parr?

  Wait, what are we doing? Habit or change?

• 1:18:13Shaan Puri?

  Change for next year.

• 1:18:16Sam Parr?

  I, you're not gonna see this, Sean, but lately I've been going a lot harder on Instagram and Hampton is gonna be, we have this like YouTube channel called Money Wise and we're gonna rebrand it and call it Hampton. And we just rented a new office down the street from my current office. And it has seats for 60 people and a big studio. So I'll be recording this from that new studio. And we're gonna be creating a new YouTube channel and I'm gonna be doing a lot more Instagram content. And I feel, like, the other day I did a video and I was like, recording and I'm like, so I talked about this on my page. And I was like, oh my God, that's like, such like a boomer. I can't believe I just said that. But I, I, I'm gonna be going a lot harder on content and it's gonna start with me writing.

• 1:18:55Shaan Puri?

  Are you doing this to grow Hampton? Or are you doing this because you're like, I wanna be influential or I love creating content? What's, what's the, what's the true why on this one?

• 1:19:04Sam Parr?

  Well, I started my career because I enjoyed creating content. And then when it became a little bit of a job, I disliked it as much. And so I put it away for a while. And then I was like, look, the best way to grow my company is just to do this thing. And I started like doing it as a job. And lately I've been doing it and I'm like, I love this. I love writing and figuring this out. And so I've been doing this stuff on Instagram now for only about three or four weeks. And I've got millions of views and I'm like, this is actually a fun little game to figure out. And I enjoy like, can I, can I grow Hampton via content that isn't slop? And I've enjoyed that. So that's what I'm, that's my big change this year. Another simple change is I've been doing it the past month to prepare for the new year.

• 1:19:47Sam Parr?

  I get my workout, my workout is finished at 7:00 AM. I'm done by 7:00 AM. And I know that again, we're doing like self righteous stuff here, but I hate getting up early, but I love having gotten up early and it's been a huge difference in just my time.

• 1:20:04Shaan Puri?

  Yeah. Saul Hill had this great quote, he's like, I don't know any loser who wakes up at 5:00 AM to work out. And it's like, it's kind of true, right? Like, have you ever met a loser who does that?

• 1:20:14Sam Parr?

  No, like being at the gym at 6:00 AM and done at 7:00 AM, you're like, it feels amazing. And it's so hard to do though.

• 1:20:22Shaan Puri?

  Do you think you can sustain that one?

• 1:20:24Sam Parr?

  Well, I have to because it's my job to, my eldest kid, I get her out of bed at 7:30. So if I'm going to exercise, it has to be done by 7:00 or 7:10. And so I've been doing it now for 30 days and I think I can say, you know, the, the secret is very dumb. The secret is you have to go to bed at 10. If you're in bed by 10, this is easy. That's, that's challenging to do, but you have to be in bed by 10.

• 1:20:46Shaan Puri?

  Right.

• 1:20:47Steph Smith?

  Every time I wake up at 5:00 AM, I'm like, this is amazing. I, I get so much done, like, why don't I do this every day? And then, you know, a year later, it happens again. Um, my biggest change is maybe kids, we'll see. Um, I'm feeling nervous about it. Do you guys have any advice?

• 1:21:04Shaan Puri?

  Are you announcing it?

• 1:21:05Steph Smith?

  No, no, no, no. Sam, are you going to ask me if I'm pregnant?

• 1:21:07Shaan Puri?

  Are you pregnant stuff?

• 1:21:10Steph Smith?

  No, to be clear, I am not currently pregnant. We have not started trying, but it's on the radar.

• 1:21:14Shaan Puri?

  Do you want us to give you tips, like tips, how to be a pregnant woman?

• 1:21:20Steph Smith?

  No, not tips, more like, what, what, what do you feel great about with kids? What makes you like, I don't know, I think there's a lot of, especially when you're a woman, you have to like actually, you know, grow the kid and then you have to like provide for the kid for the first few years in ways that men don't. It's a little daunting, but I love hearing from both men and women, like the best parts of having kids. Cause I feel like I don't hear those.

• 1:21:48Sam Parr?

  Sean, how do you talk about this without saying the most cheesy like advice?

• 1:21:51Shaan Puri?

  That's the problem. It's every cliche, everything you've already heard, but it's actually true. So that's why it's hard to, you know, it's like, you feel lame even saying it. Cause it's, and it's so obvious to you when you're in it, that like, you know, there's like, whatever I thought life was before this was just like, you know, pregame material for, for the real game. And that's, that's kind of how it feels in many ways, like level of intensity, level of like, you know, like love, like all like a sense of purpose, like, but I would say like the good thing about little kids, and me and Sam both have little kids. Sam's are a little younger than mine, so he might not even be fully in this phase yet.

• 1:22:30Sam Parr?

  Yeah, my eldest is two.

• 1:22:32Shaan Puri?

  By the time your kids are kind of like three, four, they're talking, they're walking, they're like, they have a personality, like they're, it's a whole deal. And they're just like a little joy machine. So imagine having like a jukebox in your house. And every time you go, you push the button and like your mood lifts. And the reason why is because kids are experiencing everything for the first time. So you get to experience everything for the first time with them being the excuse for you to like actually indulge it and actually care and be like your own version of like a little kid. And then there's also like these incredibly satisfying moments. Cause it's like, they are, you know, like, Whatever you feel about like building a company or building a product. The truth is like the ultimate product is this little kid you made. And you get to shape it and you get to see it grow and you get to see like all the amazing things happen.

• 1:23:16Shaan Puri?

  So take any of the feelings you've had out of like entrepreneurship or creativity or creating. And now like add some like 3,000 years of biological, you know, hardwiring to love all those aspects, you know, at a, at a much higher level.

• 1:23:31Sam Parr?

  At this stage, when I see like Instagram stuff of like the dad coming home from the military and hugging the kid or whatever, like things like that, I cry. I, I get so like emotional by it. I was, I hold my, I, I put my eldest to bed at night. And like she lays on my, my stomach and I'm like, this is, you know, like, you, you ever think about like when your parents die? Like how, like if they go to heaven or if like you like think about them, like what age will you remember them? And I, with my little girl every night, I'm like, this is perfect. I will remember this for forever and it's so important to be present. Because this is, I was like, when I feel her stomach on my, my chest, I'm like, this is peak happiness. I have never felt this good and I get to experience it every single day. And it's very special.

• 1:24:15Sam Parr?

  I think that for a lot of men, you don't love your kid right away and it takes a little warming up to. And I'm at the phase of my life now where I'm like, I like, I, I say this as a joke, but it's sort of real. Where I was like, when I got married, I felt like I'll kill someone to protect you. And then when I had a kid, it was like, I will die for you. And that's a very like weird way to think of it, but it is so fun to be like, or not fun. It feels so great to just know I'm willing to dedicate everything I can to this thing. And it feels really good to feel that way.

• 1:24:48Shaan Puri?

  And the downside and the upside are both the same. The downside is like, oh my God, this is a lot of work and I don't have control over my time or my schedule the way I used to. And for people like us who are like, wow, there's always more projects I want to do and things I want to learn and stuff I want to go do. And all of a sudden it's like, oh, I can't, I don't get to, you know, like I don't get to do that. It's not my schedule anymore. That's the worst part of it for me at least. Like unless like there's like a health issue or whatever, like that's the worst part of it on just like normal life. Also, the best part of it is like, it's not about you anymore. It's like, actually, all the problems in your life, all the bad feelings you had was like over, like, just an overimportance of the self. And so the thing with kids, that's great, is like, it's about them now. And so you get like the highs from that, but you don't really get the same amount of lows because,

• 1:25:33Shaan Puri?

  you don't have that sort of self-rumination, self, like indulgence, of like, all the little things that bother you in your world, because it's really not about you anymore, you know?

• 1:25:42Steph Smith?

  Totally. Yeah, I had a friend who had a kid recently and I visited her and she was just like, your emotional spectrum is just stretched, but in the most beautiful ways, because you just, yeah, you're responsible for this being, when she was like walking out with her kids for the first time, she was like, I've never felt more stressed, because I just saw all the things that could, you know, maybe harm my child. But at the same time, like you're saying, it's more of like a, it's like a new set of emotions, it's maybe not as self-centered, it's, it's just like a more interesting aspect of life, that like, if you don't have kids, you're never going to get to experience. Is my sense. I haven't had them, but like, that's, I, I find that-

• 1:26:18Shaan Puri?

  That's a good way of putting it. Like, oh, there's like three new colors you didn't know about. It's like, it's like this whole other thing you get to see.

• 1:26:25Sam Parr?

  And I hate saying that, I agree with you, I hate saying that, because when people don't have children, it's like, it's in, not a reversible decision, so I don't ever want to make someone feel bad, and, you know, so I don't love talking about that. But I do feel like it's sort of like the first time I've ever felt like my, my purpose in life is, is being fulfilled. Like, you think that way about work sometimes, and then, and then we had it, and I don't, I hate being high and mighty and shit. Uh, but you like have a kid and you're like, oh, this is like, this is the, like, because this is why I've tried to impress a girl. And so she would like me, and then I could reproduce with her, and now I have this thing, and it's like, I am now connected to the twenty, fifty billion people before me, and it feels kind of special. It feels very strange, but it's special.

• 1:27:06Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, it is hard to talk about, because it's just, you feel, you feel lame and cheesy, and you don't want to, like, it's just your personal experience, you don't want to influence others, but like, when you ask, you're like, oh, like, I think I won, I'm kind of on the fence, I want to hear about it, then like, okay.

• 1:27:18Steph Smith?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:27:19Shaan Puri?

  Permission to be, permission to cheese. Well, we'll end on a light note, we have favorite tweet slash meme of the year. What do you have? Let's start with Steph.

• 1:27:30Steph Smith?

  Guys, mine is boring, but I just loved the may I meet you meme. It was so good. It was so good. Like, what is this activist investor doing, giving dating advice? And just the, just the versatility.

• 1:27:43Shaan Puri?

  You, as a woman who's also in business and tech, you get on Twitter, you see this happening. What was going through your mind?

• 1:27:50Steph Smith?

  I thought it was truly hilarious because I think also, I don't know, like as a woman, there's so many times when like men think that they know what women want. And like, I'm sure Bill Ackman is a catch. Like, I'm sure, he's also like six plus feet, right? Like, he's got a bunch of money and like, you know, he's going up to these women saying like, may I meet you? And he's gathering that that is what is, you know, the defining action that the women are liking.

• 1:28:23Shaan Puri?

  Steph, so you saw that advice. What would your advice have been? If Bill Ackman, he meant well, right? He was like, I heard that it's tough out there for young guys. Here's a little bit of advice. If may I meet you was wrong, what's the right advice?

• 1:28:35Steph Smith?

  I feel like, well, I mean, he's right that you just gotta approach a girl, right? Cause girls like confidence. But I also think girls like humor and like you knowing, you being authentic. And so even just going up to a girl and just being like, hey, I'm really nervous, but like, I gotta talk to you. This is like, not the best pickup line, but I just feel like you just walking up to a girl is like, what probably nine out of 10 guys will not do. If you happen to say, may I meet you, it's probably fine, but I don't know. Just be, be natural.

• 1:29:10Shaan Puri?

  I forgot what it is, but Lil Dicky has one that I, it's great. I wish I, I wish I had this back when I was single. It would have helped me, but he's like, he's like, oh, I have the perfect pickup line. He would go up to a woman and he'd be like, what's your, what's your availability as far as being hit on right now?

• 1:29:27Shaan Puri?

  He's like, she would laugh and she would know my intentions and then like I gave her it out and I gave her it in. And I like, you know, he's like, he's like, it works every time.

• 1:29:35Sam Parr?

  Do you remember when you guys, Sean, or whoever was screen sharing, I just sent one, an example of one, but the, the best content on social that I'm following this year, do you remember Sean, when we talked about cinematic content? I think we talked about Creator Camp? Is that what we talked about?

• 1:29:48Shaan Puri?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:48Sam Parr?

  So like, here's just one example of a podcast, but I can, well, I'll send you a few more examples, but that's just one example of a podcast. Uh, who is this? Mark Brazil? Have you got, have you seen this guy's podcast?

• 1:29:59Shaan Puri?

  I've seen, I've seen this because it stands out, right?

• 1:30:00Sam Parr?

  Oh my God, it stands out.

• 1:30:02Shaan Puri?

  What is this like hostage negotiation situation?

• 1:30:05Sam Parr?

  And so we've talked about cinematic content. So we talked about this company called Creative Camp, and I'm noticing that like, if you guys follow like these, there's a bunch of 22, 23, 24, 25 year old kids making like content that is not just like the talking head videos and it's beautiful and it's starting to transfer over into like podcasting, which is, you know, normally they don't do this and like Chris Williamson has done this with his sets for Matthew McConaughey. And I'm noticing that this type of cinematic content where it's like a beautiful background and it's not just, I don't know, your phone, it's way more popular and I love it. I love this stuff. I'm loving internet content at the moment because of this trend.

• 1:30:45Shaan Puri?

  So not a tweet or a meme.

• 1:30:46Sam Parr?

  You said, yeah, you're right. You did say meme of the year.

• 1:30:52Shaan Puri?

  But I think it's cool and you're right.

• 1:30:54Sam Parr?

  Dude, I don't know. Do you pay attention to memes? I don't pay attention to memes.

• 1:30:58Steph Smith?

  Anything's a meme these days, guys.

• 1:31:00Sam Parr?

  But it's always like a meme is not like a long lasting thing. It's just like whatever was like the Drake video, like the Drake video or like all the trends on Instagram about like, yeah, it's cool for a week and I love it. And then it's like, move on.

• 1:31:12Shaan Puri?

  I'll give you, I'll give you two. The first, I'll give you a funny one first. All right. Can you put it by a funny one? Uh, this one's just, it wasn't the most funny thing, but I gotta say it's affected every day of my life. So the tweet is, "A reminder that tapping your credit card is a spiritually passive and feminine behavior that, and men should pay via confident and a penetrative thrust into the chip reader." And I read this, I laugh and now every time I pay for something, I can't help but think about this and I've been thrusting, my friends, I've been thrusting.

• 1:31:43Steph Smith?

  You gotta walk around with that wad of cash. That's the most manly thing you can do.

• 1:31:48Shaan Puri?

  Oh, that would be John Morgan.

• 1:31:50Sam Parr?

  You do need a wad.

• 1:31:51Shaan Puri?

  That would be John Morgan right there, you know what I mean?

• 1:31:53Sam Parr?

  Well, I haven't pulling out a wad.

• 1:31:55Shaan Puri?

  Give a finger lick before I start unfolding some bills?

• 1:31:58Sam Parr?

  Dude.

• 1:31:59Steph Smith?

  That's how you pick up girls, just count your bills, just in the corner.

• 1:32:02Sam Parr?

  My father-in-law did that, he had like a, he had a thousand dollars in twenties. And it was in a, and one time he had it in a rubber band. And I was like, I'm in. So like, when I bring a wallet, I definitely like to have five hundred dollars or a thousand dollars of like tens and twenties that is just.

• 1:32:20Shaan Puri?

  Looks weird in the pocket, though.

• 1:32:21Sam Parr?

  They know.

• 1:32:25Shaan Puri?

  They know something.

• 1:32:25Sam Parr?

  They know.

• 1:32:28Shaan Puri?

  And then I have a wholesome tweet, and this is from Jay Yang, young, young guy, Jay Yang, who said something very wise.

• 1:32:35Sam Parr?

  Is that the you could just do things guy?

• 1:32:38Shaan Puri?

  He's the you could just do things guy, and he said, here's the hill I'm willing to die on. He says, real success is how many people thank you for theirs. And I thought, wow, that was actually really profound. And I think I'm going to steal that as like, what's the point of all this kind of like, what is the North Star as far as success goes? And I was like, I think that's the best metric.

• 1:32:56Sam Parr?

  Can I say something that I've noticed, Sean, with you and me is, and I'm wondering if this is true for everyone or a lot of people. So inspirational, motivational, cheesy content, there's like, I don't know what.

• 1:33:07Shaan Puri?

  It's so back.

• 1:33:07Sam Parr?

  It's, I don't know if it's called a bell curve, it's like an upside down bell, well, where you're in the middle. Yes, you're in the middle of your, or you're in the beginning of your career and you use it like crazy. So I read so many self-help books and I would listen to Tony Robbins audiobooks constantly. Then you start getting in the thick of it and you're like, I just gotta get this thing done. I gotta spend five or 10 years doing it. Then you get past that and you're a little bit on Maslow's highest hierarchy of needs and it's so back. I listened to so many like Jordan Peterson or how Alex Hermosy like compilation clips where it's just like yelling at me. Or like reading inspirational stuff. Are you guys doing that same thing right now?

• 1:33:46Shaan Puri?

  Love me a good quote, love me a good little, like, I don't know, give me some metallics. I need some metallics in my life, you know, that's how I feel. I love a good quote. I've actually realized that most smart people.

• 1:33:59Shaan Puri?

  Uh, like, look down upon classic quotes or cliches or motivation or inspiration? Good. More for me. More for me. I'm, I'm all in on that. That is the, the index funds of, uh, of content for me. I, I put me in. I want it all.

• 1:34:15Sam Parr?

  Same. I'm aboard with that.

• 1:34:16Steph Smith?

  You're the, you guys are into live, laugh, love?

• 1:34:19Sam Parr?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:34:20Shaan Puri?

  Exactly.

• 1:34:21Sam Parr?

  I was gonna say that. This is the live, laugh, love version. But you know what, Steph? There's a reason why millions of, of, of basic Oklahoma and Missouri women have this on their, on their walls.

• 1:34:30Steph Smith?

  Oh, I know. I know. I'm just two years away. I see it coming.

• 1:34:33Sam Parr?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:34Shaan Puri?

  Are you, Steph, are you like, I don't like fortune cookie stuff right now? You're like, I want.

• 1:34:38Steph Smith?

  Yeah, I spent years reading personal development books and now I'm at that point where I'm like, I know it all. I read a new personal development book. I've seen it before. But I know, I hear what you're saying. In a few years, it's gonna come back and I'm gonna be like, these people were so wise.

• 1:34:54Sam Parr?

  Look, Steph, I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be patronizing to you. You're young. You'll figure it out. You'll get there.

• 1:35:00Shaan Puri?

  I remember when I felt that way.

• 1:35:02Steph Smith?

  Two years older than me? Something like that?

• 1:35:06Sam Parr?

  You'll get there.

• 1:35:08Sam Parr?

  You'll understand what you have so few kids, Steph.

• 1:35:10Shaan Puri?

  How old are you now, Steph?

• 1:35:11Sam Parr?

  And then when you have one, and then when you have one kid, when you have one kid, we're gonna say, wait till you have two.

• 1:35:17Shaan Puri?

  Wait till they have two. That's, that's the most patronizing thing.

• 1:35:22Steph Smith?

  Wait, Sean, you've got three kids?

• 1:35:23Shaan Puri?

  Well, somebody's in like, in the deep.

• 1:35:25Sam Parr?

  Sean's got a gaggle.

• 1:35:27Shaan Puri?

  I got three.

• 1:35:28Steph Smith?

  You going for more?

• 1:35:29Shaan Puri?

  So I get to do it to Sam. Sam's got two. So I'm like, oh, two? Oh, so you're on vacation, huh? Oh, that must be nice.

• 1:35:35Sam Parr?

  I'm not gonna blow up her spot. I'll let you decide, Sean. But Sean's wife on Instagram is a great follow right now. She does some wild Elf on the Shelf stuff and it is a great fi- fi- find. Me and Sarah will like, be like, look at what she did today. It's incredible.

• 1:35:51Shaan Puri?

  We went to like a kid's school performance today and this mom came over to her and she was like, I just gotta say. I live for your story right now. She's like, every day I'm checking, when is she gonna post it? She's like, I'm not gonna do any of that stuff, but I love that you do it. And I was like, oh, God, you never want to be in that position.

• 1:36:10Sam Parr?

  The other day, she took a huge wall, like imagine a one bedroom wall. And using Post-it notes, I think there are Post-it notes, she outlined the Grinch. So imagine the Grinch's face, but the art is like Post-it notes.

• 1:36:23Steph Smith?

  That is so sick.

• 1:36:24Sam Parr?

  It was like a Monet.

• 1:36:26Shaan Puri?

  It's still up. We're not taking that down.

• 1:36:28Sam Parr?

  I don't think you can. That looks like, like, I, like, she must have, like, used string to, like, put the, like, make, like, the, the grid, right? Like, it looks like a pretty, like, intense project.

• 1:36:38Shaan Puri?

  It was hilarious, because it was, it was the only one of the season I did with her, because it was like such a big one to do. And we needed some, like, bonding time. And so I was like, okay, let's do this. But she's a perfectionist. And is good, like, good at things. And I'm a good enough, is good enough kind of guy. And so it was just an awful experience for both of us to try to do that together. Because she's trying to, like, create a grid. If something was off, she'd have to go back and fix it.

• 1:37:03Sam Parr?

  Furniture with your girlfriend. It's just like, it doesn't end well.

• 1:37:06Shaan Puri?

  I'm like, they're four years old. They're not gonna know. They can't even see this high. Um, so like, it's like, they will never know that there was this, like, one millimeter gap. And, uh, you know, she had to fix it.

• 1:37:17Sam Parr?

  She must have listened to the Will Gudara pod that I did.

• 1:37:21Steph Smith?

  That was her inspiration for sure.

• 1:37:25Sam Parr?

  She must be a listener.

• 1:37:28Steph Smith?

  Wait, I want to hear, you guys, we didn't do best new habit. Did you guys have a good one for that one? I also partially just want to brag.

• 1:37:34Sam Parr?

  What is, you're, you're a runner now, Steph. We get it.

• 1:37:37Shaan Puri?

  This year?

• 1:37:38Steph Smith?

  Yes, we missed that one.

• 1:37:39Sam Parr?

  You're, you're a runner and you're fast.

• 1:37:41Steph Smith?

  Sam's like, we, we missed it intentionally.

• 1:37:44Sam Parr?

  No, I, I think you're running, you've been running really, I assume you're gonna say running, right? Because your times are actually incredibly fast.

• 1:37:50Steph Smith?

  Yes. I'm like, yes, now we can finally talk about it.

• 1:37:54Sam Parr?

  Go for it.

• 1:37:55Steph Smith?

  What am I running all these miles for? No, yeah, my best life hack slash new habit, that was the category, was running. And I just wanted to say that I started running about 14 to 16 months ago. And I've run two marathons. And I'm mentioning it because I feel like

• 1:38:13Steph Smith?

  Everyone runs now, but also there's a ton of people that have never done it because they, they think it sucks and it's awesome. And I think anyone can like get to the point where they're running marathons, running three miles a day. That's how I started. And yeah, I feel pretty good about it.

• 1:38:27Sam Parr?

  What was your, uh, wasn't your time like sub eight minute miles?

• 1:38:32Steph Smith?

  Yeah, I just ran my second marathon, uh, 330. So just under eight.

• 1:38:36Sam Parr?

  That's incredible. Sean, that's fast.

• 1:38:38Shaan Puri?

  Why?

• 1:38:40Sam Parr?

  Yeah, just said it there.

• 1:38:42Shaan Puri?

  Why do people do this?

• 1:38:45Shaan Puri?

  Why do all of you who are doing this do this? That's how I feel about running marathons.

• 1:38:49Sam Parr?

  It is awesome. It is awesome. Like I, I like to run. I'm horrible at it. I get more joy out of running than any type of weightlifting or any other exercise. I think that it's less good for you than the other stuff, but it's the most enjoyable when it hits.

• 1:39:03Steph Smith?

  It's because you can, I mean, you can do this weightlifting, but you can measure your progress so clearly and you can also progress really quickly, I think compared to other sports or athletics.

• 1:39:15Shaan Puri?

  It's gonna be one of those things for me. Mustard, pickles, running, just things I don't like that other people seem to love. I just can't do it.

• 1:39:21Sam Parr?

  I don't know, man. 20 minutes into like a 50 minute run, like you go into like a little bit of a cave and it is like a special, it is kind of special. It is cool. You should try it.

• 1:39:31Steph Smith?

  Here's my pitch. Everyone talks about this running high. Don't chase the running high because it's far away. Think about, do you like walking?

• 1:39:41Shaan Puri?

  Love walking. Huge walker.

• 1:39:43Steph Smith?

  So the feeling you get when you're walking is not, I can't wait for this to end. It's like, I'm outside. Look at this beautiful thing. My body feels good. There is a spectrum, not like a binary difference between walking and running, right? So people talk about them like they're two separate things, but there is some version of running. It might be really slow right now where you feel like you're walking. And so if you start there, which is not where we're taught to start, and you just run at that pace for a mile a day and then two miles a day, and then, you know, do that for a while, you will get to a point where your body, you know, becomes more efficient. And over time, you're going to be running 10 minute miles at that walking feeling pace. And you're

• 1:40:27Steph Smith?

  going to love running. I'm telling you.

• 1:40:32Shaan Puri?

  Okay.

• 1:40:32Sam Parr?

  Nice try.

• 1:40:33Shaan Puri?

  Yeah. The jury will consider what you said and uh.

• 1:40:38Sam Parr?

  And he might be out for a flight. I don't know.

• 1:40:40Shaan Puri?

  Guilty.

• 1:40:43Shaan Puri?

  All right.

• 1:40:44Sam Parr?

  That's it.

• 1:40:44Shaan Puri?

  Did you have a habit you wanted to do or no?

• 1:40:46Sam Parr?

  No, waking up early.

• 1:40:47Shaan Puri?

  All right. Well, Steph, I hope um you got that in. That's great. All right, guys.

• 1:40:52Sam Parr?

  Peace.

• 1:40:53Shaan Puri?

  What a year.

• 1:40:53Sam Parr?

  God bless America. God bless this podcast. Sean, good uh good year.

• 1:40:59Steph Smith?

  Oh, also.

• 1:40:59Shaan Puri?

  Another one in the books, brother.

• 1:41:00Steph Smith?

  You guys didn't even catch this.

• 1:41:03Shaan Puri?

  I can't see. What does it say? I'm on a small screen.

• 1:41:04Steph Smith?

  Is it um backwards? It just says all about them noodles.

• 1:41:10Steph Smith?

  That's a wrap.

• 1:41:22Sam Parr?

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