Courses That Are Making 7 Digits with Amy Porterfield

Sam Parr (@TheSamParr) and Shaan Puri (@ShaanVP) sit down with Amy Porterfield (@AmyPorterfield) to talk about the courses business, her background working with Tony Robbins, and much more. ----- Links: * Do you love MFM and want to see Sam and Shaan's smiling faces? Subscribe to our Youtube channel. * Want more insights like MFM? Check out Shaan's newsletter. ----- Show Notes: (04:00) - What it's like working with Tony Robbins (07:40) - What Amy has learned from other great marketers (10:45) - People who are making a shocking amount from online courses (19:30) - What podcast metrics to pay attention to ----- Past guests on My First Million include Rob Dyrdek, Hasan Minhaj, Balaji Srinivasan, Jake Paul, Dr. Andrew Huberman, Gary Vee, Lance Armstrong, Sophia Amoruso, Ariel Helwani, Ramit Sethi, Stanley Druckenmiller, Peter Diamandis, Dharmesh Shah, Brian Halligan, Marc Lore, Jason Calacanis, Andrew Wilkinson, Julian Shapiro, Kat Cole, Codie Sanchez, Nader Al-Naji, Steph Smith, Trung Phan, Nick Huber, Anthony Pompliano, Ben Askren, Ramon Van Meer, Brianne Kimmel, Andrew Gazdecki, Scott Belsky, Moiz Ali, Dan Held, Elaine Zelby, Michael Saylor, Ryan Begelman, Jack Butcher, Reed Duchscher, Tai Lopez, Harley Finkelstein, Alexa von Tobel, Noah Kagan, Nick Bare, Greg Isenberg, James Altucher, Randy Hetrick and more. ----- Additional episodes you might enjoy: • #224 Rob Dyrdek - How Tracking Every Second of His Life Took Rob Drydek from 0 to $405M in Exits • #209 Gary Vaynerchuk - Why NFTS Are the Future • #178 Balaji Srinivasan - Balaji on How to Fix the Media, Cloud Cities & Crypto #169 - How One Man Started 5, Billion Dollar Companies, Dan Gilbert's Empire, & Talking With Warren Buffett • ​​​​#218 - Why You Should Take a Think Week Like Bill Gates • Dave Portnoy vs The World, Extreme Body Monitoring, The Future of Apparel Retail, "How Much is Anthony Pompliano Worth?", and More • How Mr Beast Got 100M Views in Less Than 4 Days, The $25M Chrome Extension, and More

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Speaker 00

  I have this student, her name is DeNira, and she lives in LA, single mom, three kids, really small house, not enough rooms for everybody. Like, she is definitely doing it herself. She was working two jobs, and she was baking, and people would come to her house, they'd pick up a birthday cake, or a celebration cake, or whatever, and that's one way she was making money. Long story short, cut to creating a digital course, and she became really good at caramel candy apples. So, how to create caramel candy apples. And, the thing is, the caramel was store bought. It wasn't like her special recipe, just people didn't know what store to go to, or what to buy. And so, she started to create these, and sell a digital course. Now, a lot of my students, many of them

• 0:43Speaker 00

  have made seven figures and beyond, but I want to talk about her, because she's a woman who made, never made over a hundred thousand dollars a year, and now in one digital course launch, she made two hundred and sixty thousand dollars selling how to create caramel candy apples. And she literally was just doing live videos in a private Facebook group. And I always tell that story, because a lot of people listening have never created anything in their life online, and they would never even, they're like, "My idea can't be good enough," or "It's not original enough," or whatever. And then I think of DeNira, a single mom, living in LA, making two hundred and sixty thousand dollars on the first time she launched anything, now she's making way more money than that, but that's the kind of stuff that I live for, because it has to start somewhere.

• 1:33Sam Parr?

  So, Amy, what's going on? So, Amy Porterfield, you're part of the HubSpot Podcast Network. You're a new-ish addition, right? When did you join?

• 1:40Speaker 00

  Right. Yeah, just about two months.

• 1:44Sam Parr?

  And so, what would you say you do? I mean, I've read your blog for years and years and years, but we had John Lee Dumas on the other day, and I was like, "I actually don't know how to describe him." And he's like, "Do I just call him a podcaster? Is he a blogger?" I'm not actually sure what, how I would, like, because you kind of do a bunch of stuff. How would you describe?

• 2:01Speaker 00

  You sound like my mom and dad, who have no clue what I do thirteen years in, so I totally get it. I always say that I am an internet marketing expert, and I help entrepreneurs build businesses online. And my expertise is to take your knowledge and know-how, and turn that into a profitable digital course. So, digital courses are my area of expertise online.

• 2:21Shaan Puri?

  Okay, amazing. What kind of digital courses? Do you have your own course about courses?

• 2:26Speaker 00

  I do, which is so meta, I know. So basically, here's the thing. Uh, 13 years ago, I worked in corporate. I worked for Tony Robbins and I was the director of content development. Got to travel the world and work on content that Tony did on stage at like unleash the power within and date with destiny and all those cool events. And I was in a meeting and I was called, so humbling, I was called into this meeting to take notes. And I walk into this meeting in this big San Diego corporate office. And I walk in and it's a bunch of internet marketers. Now, in my world, these are like the grandfather of internet marketers. Although that sounds very rude to, to call them grandfathers, but they're like the Mac daddies.

• 3:05Sam Parr?

  Like who?

• 3:06Speaker 00

  So it's like Frank Kern, Brendan Bouchard, Evan Pagan, Jeff Walker. Like big name internet marketers that are still doing really big things. But they were the leaders in the industry. I had no idea who these guys were. And here I am at a side table taking notes and Tony's going around asking them about their businesses and what do they do? And how are they making money online? And all I heard was freedom. Like these guys were running their own businesses, creating digital courses about tons of different topics. And I wanted a piece of that. So that was like my first entry into this world. I knew nothing about. And about six months later or so, I had left my corporate job and started creating my own digital courses.

• 3:49Speaker 00

  So yeah, I've got digital courses, teaching people how to grow email list, how to create digital courses. But ultimately my, my, my, uh, mission is to help people leave their nine to five jobs, start their own online businesses. And I believe digital courses is a way to do that. So that's their vehicle.

• 4:05Sam Parr?

  Sean, do you have something to say? Cause I, I got some.

• 4:08Shaan Puri?

  I was gonna say, forget courses. Let's talk about Tony Robbins.

• 4:10Sam Parr?

  I was gonna say that exact same thing. I was gonna, I was gonna say, uh, I was gonna ask you about a couple of the people you mentioned, including Tony. And I was like, how much is his empire bringing? Do you think it's, does this guy just knock it out the park or what?

• 4:23Speaker 00

  I mean, it's seriously, what I always say about Tony is how, if, have you guys ever been to one of his events before? Have you ever seen him on stage?

• 4:29Shaan Puri?

  So I've been to two, maybe, actually, I've been to, yeah, I've been to two Unleash the Power Within's.

• 4:34Speaker 00

  Okay, cool.

• 4:35Shaan Puri?

  And I'm a Kool-Aid drinker. I love Tony Robbins.

• 4:38Speaker 00

  Absolutely.

• 4:39Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, so I'm a, I'm a fan, but I'm also super curious, because I don't know the guy or know much about him.

• 4:43Speaker 00

  So I'm still a fan after all these years and how he is on stage, like that huge personality, all the energy, super intense, like how he is on stage is exactly how he is behind stage as well. I often joke that I might have lost a few years off my life because that was the most intense job I ever had, but I wouldn't change it for the world because I literally got to learn from the master.

• 5:07Shaan Puri?

  Give me an intensity story. Tony Robbins intensity, what you got?

• 5:10Speaker 00

  So the thing is, when, before Tony goes onstage.

• 5:12Sam Parr?

  Spill the beans.

• 5:13Speaker 00

  Wait, what?

• 5:14Sam Parr?

  You gotta spill the beans. You gotta tell us the stories.

• 5:17Speaker 00

  Here's why it's intense. Before he goes onstage, he literally preps for Unleash the Power Within like it's the first time he ever stepped onstage. I've never seen anyone prep for anything and be prepared more in my entire life. And so we have to write these like stage signs of everything that like he's gonna talk about and the stories he's gonna touch on, and they're all handwritten. I don't know why we would handwrite these things every time, but they're handwritten and he goes over all of them. And then he gets on this rebounder and he's jumping on the rebounder backstage, getting all the energy in his body, the music's super loud.

• 5:52Sam Parr?

  What's a rebounder? Is that like a trampoline?

• 5:54Shaan Puri?

  It's like a trampoline.

• 5:54Speaker 00

  Like a trampoline, yeah, yeah. And it kinda gets the energy going in your body and he's reading your stage sign and making sure he's got everything going. And then he just throws the stage sign and he runs onstage and he does his thing. But the intense part is when he gets off, he looks at who's ever in his proximity and he's like, all right, let's download. He downloads every single time he comes offstage, what worked, what didn't, what we can make better, what he liked, what he didn't like. He wants feedback from everyone. And it's like you are on the entire time. I still, I'm nervous talking about it.

• 6:25Shaan Puri?

  You sound like it. So he's been doing this for like 40 years. That's crazy to me because I went to the two things. He does the same exact thing, right? He does pretty much the same script. So I would assume he's like, you know, knows it by the back of his, you know, like the back of his hand or whatever by now. So it's not, it's probably not the material that he's like trying to remember. It's like, he's just getting himself into that state. What about, what about besides the performances? Cause I think performing is definitely like a high intensity thing. What about just like work, like the office? Or were you not around for that part?

• 7:00Speaker 00

  Meaning Tony in the office?

• 7:01Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, just like on a normal day, non-performance.

• 7:04Speaker 00

  So on a normal day, non-performance, Tony's not in the office. He was, when I was there, he was at his house. He did all the stuff from his own house. But he's always on. So I think one thing I took, what I learned from Tony and I brought into my own business, is that one, always be prepared, over-prepare, care deeply about what you're creating. He cares deeply about his content. So that's why he's always getting it in his body, even though he's done it a hundred times. And when he's not in the office, he's still always, always learning, always meeting with people, learning new things like that meeting that we had. He just wanted to know how they were selling their digital courses online because he was going to start doing that in a bigger way. So he's always pulling from different places. It was an incredible experience.

• 7:49Sam Parr?

  What about, so Sean, I've told you about this guy before. His name's Evan Pagan. And we talked, Sean and I, Amy are good friends with Craig Clemens. And he was a copywriter. And when we had John Lee Dumas on the other day, I was like, John, tell me about some of these marketers. They're so fascinating to me. And you just named a bunch of them and I'm going to ask you, I want to ask you about them. But Evan Pagan's the most interesting. So basically for the listeners, Evan Pagan, I knew him as David D'Angelo. When I was 14 years old, I was a nerd. I wanted to learn how to meet girls. He had an ebook called Double Your Dating. And what he would do, if I remember correctly, and Amy, you could correct me, I think he would, he would send these really long emails.

• 8:31Sam Parr?

  Like it felt like 10,000 word text-based emails about how to meet women. And then at the end, you could buy like a $14 book. And I think Craig told us that he was selling like $30 million a year of this book on, called Double Your Dating. Have you heard about this?

• 8:46Speaker 00

  Yo, absolutely. I've heard about it and I know he's a legend in that area. And when he came to the table, I think he had moved on from that part of his business. But that's how he was put on the map. And the one thing that I learned from Evan really early on is he teaches this strategy that you've got to coin your own content. Like you've got to name it, you've got to put a title to it, you've got to own it. So one of the things that I've always done when I've created content in my own business is like, I've got the Porterfield process for outlining your digital course and the sweet spot for finding what topic to create for your course. I name everything and own it and it sets you up as an expert and that absolutely came from Evan.

• 9:30Shaan Puri?

  That's like, so me and Sam both teach courses on Maven. And Wes, who runs the course platform for Maven, she has one that she calls, she's like, you need your spiky point of view. It's like, what's your spiky point of view? And she's like, it's your point of view that stands out that not everybody would agree with. It's like, it'll poke some people the wrong way because it's different than everything that they've heard before. And so, you know, that was like the core of when she's like, if you're going to teach a course, you've got to have a spiky point of view. Otherwise, like your course doesn't really have a sort of angle to it or a hook to it that other people are going to attach with.

• 10:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, I love that.

• 10:05Sam Parr?

  Do you, the other day, Sean and I were talking about this guy named Sam Ovens because he had this YouTube video called, he has a business called consulting.com and he revealed all of his numbers. And he was like, we got to 30 million in revenue and then we decided to just be really profitable. And we do 10 million in sales with 5 million in profit with like a team of four people. And we were just fascinated because that's just like, that's a great, great business to own that. What are some other people who you've worked with or that you know of that are like shockingly, that you would tell people and you're like, I can, you would not believe what this person does. You would not believe how much revenue they make or that they sell a course in this space. Are there any shocking ones like that?

• 10:48Speaker 00

  So one of the ones that always has shocked me, I have this student, her name is DeNira, and she lives in LA, single mom, three kids, really small house, not enough rooms for everybody. Like, she is definitely doing it herself. She was working two jobs and she was baking, and people would come to her house, they'd pick up a birthday cake, or a celebration cake, or whatever, and that's one way she was making money. Long story short, cut to creating a digital course, and she became really good at caramel candy apples. So how to create caramel candy apples. And the thing is, the caramel was store bought. It wasn't like her special recipe, just people didn't know what store to go to, or what to buy. And so she started

• 11:28Speaker 00

  to create these and sell a digital course. Now, a lot of my students, many of them have made seven figures and beyond, but I want to talk about her because she's a woman who made, never made over a hundred thousand dollars a year, and now in one digital course launch, she made two hundred and sixty thousand dollars selling how to create caramel candy apples. And she literally was just doing live videos in a private Facebook group. And I always tell that story because a lot of people listening have never created anything in their life online, and they would never even, they're like, "My idea can't be good enough, or it's not original enough," or whatever. And then I think of DeNira, a single mom living in LA, making two hundred and sixty thousand dollars on the first time she launched

• 12:10Speaker 00

  anything, now she's making way more money than that, but that's the kind of stuff that I live for, because it has to start somewhere.

• 12:16Sam Parr?

  What's her course name? How do I Google her?

• 12:19Speaker 00

  Um, let's see, if you Google "DeNira caramel candy apples," you will absolutely find her.

• 12:24Sam Parr?

  How you spell "DeNira"?

• 12:25Speaker 00

  D-A-N-I-R-A. We call her the caramel candy apple queen. She's got tons of press written up about her, like, she's a, she's a big deal.

• 12:33Shaan Puri?

  How did she get her customers? So who bought this course? How did she go sell? How much is the course?

• 12:39Speaker 00

  Uh, I can't remember, a couple hundred dollars.

• 12:42Shaan Puri?

  Okay.

• 12:42Speaker 00

  And the way she got her customers, this is what's cool. She made a lot of videos, she did a lot of social media where she'd show in her tiny little kitchen with not a fancy camera or lighting, like what she was doing. And the thing is, so if you own a bakery, a caramel candy apple is like 10 bucks or more uh, to sell, which is really good profit for a bakery. And these bakers wanted to find more ways to make more money. So she, uh, she appealed to the, uh, small business owners who had bakeries or sweets to sell. But she also appealed to a lot of hobbyists. A lot of people are like, I just want to do that. That's cool. So she had a mesh of two different audiences.

• 13:22Shaan Puri?

  But her, she, she basically just made free content and then.

• 13:25Speaker 00

  Tons of free content, lots of videos. Yep.

• 13:28Shaan Puri?

  Wow.

• 13:28Speaker 00

  And then the way I teach people how to sell courses is with webinars. So she, she started to do webinars and webinars were a way, a new vehicle to sell more. So she's gone on to do even more launches.

• 13:40Sam Parr?

  You would do a webinar for a three or $200 thing?

• 13:43Speaker 00

  Absolutely. So back in the day, my very first successful course was called FB Influence. I did it with Lewis Howes and together we created this course and launched it. It was $97 and I probably did 200 webinars to sell a $97 course. And it was a huge success because we had tons of affiliates, but I would do a webinar even for a $97 course.

• 14:05Sam Parr?

  Amongst these internet marketers, who, wha- what's the largest course? I don't know, a course info product? What's the largest business you've ever heard of?

• 14:16Speaker 00

  Oh geez, the largest business I've ever heard of. Um, I don't know. I feel like people.

• 14:25Sam Parr?

  Yeah, who crushes it the most? That's a, that's a, that's a different way to ask.

• 14:28Speaker 00

  Well, my girl, Marie Forleo, do you guys know Marie Forleo? She has a program called B-School. She's been crushing it for 10 years. Here's what's unique about her course. She's had the same course. Obviously, she makes it a little bit better every year, makes the marketing better, but it's literally the same course that she has sold for, I think, 13 years now.

• 14:47Sam Parr?

  That's crazy.

• 14:47Speaker 00

  Once a year, she sells this course, $2,000. Now it's 2,500. But she's been in the game for 13 years with the same course. That, to me, is badass.

• 14:56Sam Parr?

  Yeah, she's probably made like $3 million a year in profit for like 10 years. Would you, you think that's crazy?

• 15:01Speaker 00

  Yes, I do. She's very quiet about her dollars, so I don't know exactly, but seeing the numbers, the affiliates, I've been an affiliate for a really long time. Absolutely, she's crushing it. And the thing is, and what I learned from Tony Robbins, is you do not always want to reinvent the wheel. Find something that works, double down on it, and stop starting from scratch all the time. And that's literally what Maria's mastered. So she's someone that I've always followed from the get-go.

• 15:26Sam Parr?

  Is there anyone else?

• 15:28Speaker 00

  I'm trying to think. It's just that, here's the thing. Sometimes I don't think people are totally forthcoming with their numbers. I've been in the internet marketing space for a long time. And sometimes I trust, you know, what I hear, and sometimes I don't. And sometimes people throw out numbers, and I'm like, yeah, but what's the profit margin on that? So I always am a little bit unsure about what the numbers really are.

• 15:48Shaan Puri?

  The affiliate strategy. So what, because I think most people, if they're like, oh, I'm going to create my own first, my first course, they wouldn't think that, oh, I should be using affiliate strategy. So explain what that works and how big of a tool that is for, for you and your like, marketing mix.

• 16:02Sam Parr?

  Do you use that, even, do you even use that, Sean? Do you use affiliates? I don't use affiliates.

• 16:06Speaker 00

  No. So I have made millions in my own business being an affiliate for other people, but I've also had affiliates sell my own courses. And to me, I think it's one of the most powerful ways to build a business. At least supplement your income if you have courses and memberships of your own. So for, I think, number one, I think 50/50 is what people should be offering. I've seen a trend recently that it's gone down to like 30%, maybe 40%, 40/60. I'm old school, so I really do believe the 50/50 model is the way to go. And I think that if you find a course that either you've taken, or you know your students will get massive value from it, but you don't offer something like that, I think absolutely

• 16:49Speaker 00

  adding an affiliate offer to the mix can supplement your revenue. Like, I have different streams of revenue. One of my second biggest streams of revenue is being an affiliate for other people.

• 16:59Sam Parr?

  Who's your biggest affiliate?

• 17:00Speaker 00

  So I, the most money I've made as an affiliate is through Marie Forleo's B-School. That's why I'm really close to it. And then Jenna Kutcher and Gabby Bernstein are huge, and Stu McLaren, all three are huge affiliates for my program, Digital Course Academy. They do really, really, really well.

• 17:19Sam Parr?

  I think we need to do that, Sean, huh?

• 17:22Speaker 00

  It makes a huge difference. It's like a whole other stream of revenue.

• 17:26Sam Parr?

  How many people work at your company?

• 17:28Speaker 00

  So we've got 20 full-time employees and then some contractors on the side. Everyone's virtual. We do a four-day work week and so we work Monday through Thursday. And it feels like a big team. Like, I feel like that's a lot of people, but I know it's just such a small business still.

• 17:45Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, I think that's a lot. Why do you need so many people?

• 17:49Speaker 00

  So we do, so I have three digital courses, one membership, and then we do a lot of affiliate marketing. And so everybody is just stays in their lane. And like, I've got one person that's 100% focused on my podcast. So that's all she does. Podcast producer Kylie, you might talk to her, your team talk to her. And so we have a lot of people in specialized roles.

• 18:09Sam Parr?

  Are you running the company and being the front person? Or do you have someone help them run the company while you're focused on content?

• 18:16Speaker 00

  Great question. So for seven years, I've had a sidekick helping me run the company. She's a CMO and recently transitioned out as a contractor. So I'm running it more than I normally do. But when she's running marketing, I don't have my hands in all of that.

• 18:30Sam Parr?

  That's a lot of work. God damn.

• 18:32Speaker 00

  Right now, it feels like a lot of work, but it doesn't always feel that way.

• 18:36Shaan Puri?

  And what's the name of your podcast? So people who are listening can go check it out.

• 18:39Speaker 00

  My podcast is Online Marketing Made Easy.

• 18:42Sam Parr?

  How big are you guys? We've been, we're getting in a pissing contest with John Lee Dumas. I'm a little, like, I'm jealous a little bit with Jenna.

• 18:52Speaker 00

  Jenna Kutcher's totally magic. Like, she's got an amazing podcast. How many downloads total do you guys have?

• 18:58Sam Parr?

  I think in December, on the podcast platform, we had 1.3 or 1.3 maybe million on the podcast platform and then like another 400 on YouTube, 400,000 on YouTube.

• 19:10Speaker 00

  Just for the month?

• 19:12Sam Parr?

  Yeah.

• 19:13Speaker 00

  Okay, well, that's huge. We had a million in January. That was our recent was a million in January.

• 19:18Sam Parr?

  Wow.

• 19:19Speaker 00

  Um, we've had over about-

• 19:21Sam Parr?

  Just on, just on podcast players? Or like?

• 19:24Speaker 00

  Uh, yes, yes.

• 19:25Sam Parr?

  That's huge. That's huge.

• 19:27Speaker 00

  So we feel good about it. We've had 35 million downloads. Um, I used to not download twice a week. Changing to twice a week has changed things for us, for sure. I do a 15 minute one on Tuesday and a longer one on Thursday. And that changed the game for us. So I'm glad we did that.

• 19:42Shaan Puri?

  So your episode was once?

• 19:45Speaker 00

  What's that?

• 19:46Shaan Puri?

  It was once a week before that, or?

• 19:47Speaker 00

  Once a week before, uh, December, I think it was that we made the change.

• 19:51Sam Parr?

  So then you have way more downloads per ep. So we get between 50 to 100,000, probably average. We, we, we, we have three episodes a week sometimes. So we're doing way-

• 20:01Speaker 00

  Holy cow. That's awesome.

• 20:02Sam Parr?

  I think we even, we have four sometimes. But, but so our, so our episodes, I'd like the, the episode, the downloads per episode is the more important metric, I think.

• 20:10Shaan Puri?

  That's the real metric. It's not the one you, you brag about, but it's the only, if you, if you actually want to grow, that's the one you care about.

• 20:16Sam Parr?

  And it sounds like yours is really big.

• 20:18Speaker 00

  That's how you're also moving up in the charts. I mean, I know that there's like, uh, you can't know everything about that algorithm. But one thing I've studied enough and I'm competitive enough to know that, uh, I'm not moving up in the charts unless my week of downloads are strong. And so you guys are doing better than I am because you're always above me in the charts. I pay attention to those things.

• 20:38Sam Parr?

  So do we.

• 20:38Speaker 00

  And anyone who says they don't, I think they're lying.

• 20:40Sam Parr?

  Oh, we, I, we totally do. I take a lot of pride in chartable numbers, but it sounds like you, you get more downloads per episode than us for sure.

• 20:48Speaker 00

  That maybe in my back catalog. We do, we do a lot of, um, promoting to our own community about our podcast. Like we embed it in a lot of things. So, um, we did something really cool in January where we had a quiz. And basically you take a quiz to figure out where you are in your entrepreneurial journey. And then we gave you 10 episodes that are going to help you along that journey. And that blew up. That was hugely successful.

• 21:11Shaan Puri?

  You're smart and you do smart things and then you get good results. I understand now. This is the secret.

• 21:18Sam Parr?

  Yeah, we uh, the, the, we'll wrap up a second. The, the best promotion we did recently was we just announced that we're gonna give $5,000 to some person who takes our clips and turns them into TikTok videos and gets popular on TikTok. And we got, I think, 30 million impressions on TikTok in uh, like 20 days.

• 21:37Speaker 00

  That is incredible. That is super smart.

• 21:40Sam Parr?

  That was the only smart thing we've ever done.

• 21:42Speaker 00

  Whose idea was that one?

• 21:43Shaan Puri?

  Neither of ours. Ben. In fact, I literally called it a dumbass idea and on air.

• 21:49Speaker 00

  Oh, wait, is it Ben? Ben just popped up. Is it Ben's idea?

• 21:52Sam Parr?

  This is my chance to come back into the episode. Yes, it was my idea.

• 21:56Shaan Puri?

  Shout out to MFM Cuts, who is uh, killing it. And, and there's many others. I follow them all now on TikTok. My TikTok feed is now just clips of myself and Sam, uh, you know, over and over again. It's great.

• 22:06Speaker 00

  That's awesome. I'm gonna check that out. Wait, how do I find it? Like, I just looked up.

• 22:09Sam Parr?

  Yeah, so here's what we did, but we screwed up, or I screwed up. So it's uh, what was the hashtag, Ben?

• 22:17Sam Parr?

  MFM Shorts? MFM Clips. Alright, so if you go on TikTok and you search MFM Clips, that with an S, you'll find it. But you'll also find, because I read the, whatever, when we were announcing it, I accidentally, one time I said Clips with an S, and then I said Clip without an S. So if you, if you search both of those words, you'll, you'll find, you'll find different ones.

• 22:39Shaan Puri?

  And also, if you just Google MFM Clip, you're gonna get porn, because it stands for male, female, male. And so you'll get a whole different set of clips if you go to Google. So that, you know, it's, there's something for everybody over here. We're a very inclusive show.

• 22:52Speaker 00

  When I was just starting out, my name, I think it was my maiden name now that I think about it, it was a porn star.

• 22:59Sam Parr?

  What was your maiden name?

• 22:59Speaker 00

  When I was just starting out, Ballard. So I think it was uh, someone named Amy Ballard was a porn star when I, uh, like 13 years ago or something. And I was like mortified every time I searched my name, there she was.

• 23:11Shaan Puri?

  Does that sound familiar, Ben?

• 23:14Shaan Puri?

  Does that ring a bell?

• 23:17Speaker 00

  No comment, Ben, say no comment.

• 23:19Sam Parr?

  I see. Yeah, that's crazy. The... Yeah, that sucks. It definitely sucks.

• 23:25Speaker 00

  It's not an issue anymore. I've got a new last name.

• 23:28Sam Parr?

  I used to follow this guy on Twitter named Jeff Epstein. And so it could be worse.

• 23:33Shaan Puri?

  No, I tweeted at that guy. I was like, ah, brutal name. And then he got so mad at me. I was like, you can't be, I can't be the first person to point this out to you. Like, don't be mad at me. I didn't do it to you.

• 23:46Speaker 00

  Oh, my gosh.

• 23:47Sam Parr?

  Well, thanks for coming on, Amy. This is, this is awesome.

• 23:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, thanks, guys, so much. It's nice to talk to you. And I know you guys are coming on to my podcast. So I'm looking forward to chatting with you, too.

• 23:55Shaan Puri?

  Sounds good. Take care.

• 23:57Speaker 00

  All right. Bye, guys.