Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 121: Clomp Everywhere

It's time to Rewind with Karen & Georgia! This week, K & G recap Episode 121: Clomp Everywhere. Karen and Georgia answered listener questions in this special Q & A episode. Tune in for all-new commentary, case updates and more! Whether you've listened a thousand times or you're new to the show, join the conversation as we look back on our old episodes and discuss the life lessons we’ve learned along the way. Head to social media to share your favorite moments from this episode! Instagram: instagram.com/myfavoritemurder http://instagram.com/myfavoritemurder Facebook: facebook.com/myfavoritemurder http://facebook.com/myfavoritemurder TikTok: tiktok.com/@my_favorite_murder http://tiktok.com/@my_favorite_murder Now with updated sources and photos: https://www.myfavoritemurder.com/episodes My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. The Exactly Right podcast network provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics, including true crime, comedy, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 1:49Georgia Hardstark?

  And welcome.

• 1:49Karen Kilgariff?

  To Rewind with Karen in Georgia.

• 1:52Georgia Hardstark?

  This is the show where we look back on our old episodes from 2018 with all new insights and case updates and topical cultural references.

• 2:00Karen Kilgariff?

  Today, we're rewinding to episode 121, which we named "Clomp Everywhere." This episode originally came out on May 17, 2018.

• 2:11Georgia Hardstark?

  Let's listen to the intro of episode 121.

• 2:19Georgia Hardstark?

  The holidays are right around the corner, which means people are about to do a lot of shopping.

• 2:23Karen Kilgariff?

  And if you have a small business, they could be shopping with you.

• 2:26Georgia Hardstark?

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• 2:38Karen Kilgariff?

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• 2:44Georgia Hardstark?

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• 2:51Karen Kilgariff?

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• 2:57Georgia Hardstark?

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• 2:59Karen Kilgariff?

  Go to Shopify.com/murder today to hear your first.

• 3:04Georgia Hardstark?

  Goodbye.

• 3:08Karen Kilgariff?

  And, Beguin.

• 3:11Georgia Hardstark?

  And Beguin, the cool one, eh? Apple float.

• 3:15Karen Kilgariff?

  White now.

• 3:15Georgia Hardstark?

  Of my favorite, oh, God.

• 3:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Should we start over? Stephen just shook his head, "No."

• 3:24Karen Kilgariff?

  Stephen said, "No, don't start over."

• 3:26Georgia Hardstark?

  I don't think we're, yeah.

• 3:28Karen Kilgariff?

  He, you like Elmer Fudd? You like the Elmer Fudd intro?

• 3:31Speaker 02

  That made me laugh.

• 3:32Karen Kilgariff?

  All right.

• 3:33Georgia Hardstark?

  Well, let's leave it in.

• 3:35Karen Kilgariff?

  Then, you know what, Stephen likes it. Let's leave it in.

• 3:38Georgia Hardstark?

  Can you do Fake Drunk this entire episode?

• 3:41Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes, this is Q and A.

• 3:46Karen Kilgariff?

  This is our secret.

• 3:49Karen Kilgariff?

  Always a secret with that girl. Always leaning in with her weird breath.

• 3:54Georgia Hardstark?

  I had to tell you something. And then, I had to tell you something. I threw up early.

• 4:00Karen Kilgariff?

  I threw up and I took a nap and came back to the bar. What? Did you get away from me? I should do, sorry, I just had this idea. What if I did a one-woman show where it's me and Drunk Me from the 90s, switching off, and it's like.

• 4:15Georgia Hardstark?

  Interviewing.

• 4:16Karen Kilgariff?

  Spotlight goes up. Yes, exactly. Where it's just like, "Why did you feel the need to escape into the bottle every night?" I'd be like, "Sorry, what are you talking about?"

• 4:25Georgia Hardstark?

  I'm thirsty.

• 4:26Karen Kilgariff?

  You used to party and now you're, what do you like?

• 4:30Georgia Hardstark?

  Can you, I want you to, let's keep going with this.

• 4:33Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay.

• 4:33Georgia Hardstark?

  I want you to record the, I want to record sober, current Karen.

• 4:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay.

• 4:38Georgia Hardstark?

  And so that, you know, we don't, switching will get too confusing. So we just have recorded Karen, and then Drunk Karen, old Karen, is in person there.

• 4:49Karen Kilgariff?

  So you're saying get to drink again, just because it's a show and it's not my fault and it wasn't my idea?

• 4:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Fake drunk Karen.

• 4:57Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay.

• 4:57Georgia Hardstark?

  Is there again.

• 4:58Karen Kilgariff?

  Great.

• 4:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay. What is her, did she have her hair in a ponytail? Did she wear a ponytail?

• 5:04Karen Kilgariff?

  She's just cut bangs. Hold on, it looks good. You don't know? You don't know?

• 5:11Georgia Hardstark?

  All right, sorry.

• 5:12Karen Kilgariff?

  I would, Drunk Karen was the kind of person who would cut bangs so short that the next day, when I would first see people who would, I would be premiering my bangs, like at the Gap, people would be like, "Oh, oh."

• 5:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow, like, shocking bangs.

• 5:29Karen Kilgariff?

  They were like, "I found a razor in the bathroom and I gave myself a trim."

• 5:33Georgia Hardstark?

  Like what I did to Barbie when I was four and was like, "Barbie needs fucking bangs." And all you do, you basically just shaved her head in the bang area?

• 5:43Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 5:43Georgia Hardstark?

  Just shaved the bangs.

• 5:44Karen Kilgariff?

  The more you cut Barbie's hair, the more you liked cutting Barbie's hair, until you were down to the plugs.

• 5:50Georgia Hardstark?

  God. We're in Europe right now.

• 5:53Karen Kilgariff?

  Guys, bonjour.

• 5:55Georgia Hardstark?

  Bonjour. For some reason, Karen wants to be in Paris really badly.

• 5:59Karen Kilgariff?

  Paris, France is what Europe is to me.

• 6:00Georgia Hardstark?

  We're in the UK and Europe, so we're in the podlofts, technically.

• 6:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Right now.

• 6:05Georgia Hardstark?

  Technically, we're in the podloft.

• 6:06Karen Kilgariff?

  In our time, you know what's funny, though? We, I don't think we need to be so constrained by the concept of time, since people listen to this shit out of order anyway.

• 6:15Georgia Hardstark?

  Time, space, location, all of this shit.

• 6:17Karen Kilgariff?

  You know what? It is all just human construct.

• 6:20Georgia Hardstark?

  It's a fucking, it's the government.

• 6:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Let it go. It's aliens. The clock is aliens. Let it go.

• 6:25Georgia Hardstark?

  Alien government. The government of Mars.

• 6:28Karen Kilgariff?

  It's the government trying to put their shit on you.

• 6:31Georgia Hardstark?

  And I'm like, I refuse till you're like told what time it is by the government.

• 6:36Karen Kilgariff?

  I'm just saying, this government thinks smarter than me. It's not smarter than me.

• 6:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Time, okay.

• 6:43Karen Kilgariff?

  I love him.

• 6:44Georgia Hardstark?

  So we're doing.

• 6:45Karen Kilgariff?

  There's always crying about some random person.

• 6:47Georgia Hardstark?

  Being in love with someone.

• 6:48Karen Kilgariff?

  Being in love with someone that the friend I'm talking to is like, "I don't think you've ever talked about this person before. I don't, I don't know who you're talking about right now." "No, I love him," and like talking about the bouncer.

• 6:57Georgia Hardstark?

  Then, then you trade a piece of clothing with some other drunk girl.

• 7:03Georgia Hardstark?

  I remember, I've had a drunk girl demand that we switch belts, and I was just like, "Okay."

• 7:08Karen Kilgariff?

  You have to go with that drunk improv.

• 7:10Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 7:10Karen Kilgariff?

  It's so much easier because if you tell a drunk girl who wants to switch belts with you, did she think it was funny? Because I would do that, I would get these ideas that I was like.

• 7:18Georgia Hardstark?

  Switch out there.

• 7:19Karen Kilgariff?

  Isn't this hilarious? I, one time, I was, oh, my friends, this is when I lived in Sacramento, I was like, "You guys, I'm gonna order a grasshopper." "No, I'm doing it. I'm doing it." It was like a mint. Have you ever had a grasshopper? It's like a blended drink.

• 7:31Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 7:32Karen Kilgariff?

  Made of creamed mint.

• 7:32Georgia Hardstark?

  I just pictured you on Amazon ordering grasshoppers, the insects, live grasshoppers.

• 7:38Karen Kilgariff?

  I'm gonna get both constrictors. No, I'm going to. Anyway.

• 7:44Georgia Hardstark?

  I, that's how I got my first pair of Doc Martens, though, is at a party, a drunk girl.

• 7:49Karen Kilgariff?

  Switched?

• 7:50Georgia Hardstark?

  When I was like 13. I was like, "Give me your fucking," I had like climbing boots on.

• 7:55Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 7:55Georgia Hardstark?

  That I hated, and she gave me her purple docs. I know.

• 7:58Karen Kilgariff?

  Why? Because she was drunk?

• 8:00Georgia Hardstark?

  Because she was drunk and stupid and like, she was like a basic bitch.

• 8:05Karen Kilgariff?

  You had pre, you had like broken-in purple docs.

• 8:08Georgia Hardstark?

  Yep, eight-hole broken-in purple docs.

• 8:10Karen Kilgariff?

  Congratulations.

• 8:11Georgia Hardstark?

  Changed my life.

• 8:12Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 8:12Georgia Hardstark?

  Best shoes I've ever had. Why didn't I keep them?

• 8:14Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay, the first time you start wearing combat boots as a girl in your 20s, I'm telling you, if you hadn't had the experience, if you're a girl who's like, "I need to curl the bottoms of my hair and always wear some version of a heel," God bless.

• 8:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 8:26Karen Kilgariff?

  I get the comfort, that's your style. What I'm saying is, take a summer off.

• 8:31Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 8:31Karen Kilgariff?

  Get a job two towns over and just start wearing flannels and fucking combat boots. Just see what it feels like. Because I'm telling you, there is something about lacing up a boot and having that thing of like, "Oh, you can't kick me in the toe."

• 8:45Georgia Hardstark?

  And you start to call them shit kickers. And then you feel like a fucking badass.

• 8:49Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 8:50Georgia Hardstark?

  And it's the best.

• 8:50Karen Kilgariff?

  And you just sort of like, you get real down to business.

• 8:53Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, you clomp everywhere.

• 8:54Karen Kilgariff?

  You clomp. It's very tank girl, but wherever you live.

• 8:57Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, but you're still cute. Don't worry. You're still cute.

• 9:00Karen Kilgariff?

  There's so much cuteness available. They all know this.

• 9:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 9:03Karen Kilgariff?

  These are people who are like, "Yeah, we're from now. We have the internet. We know how fashion works."

• 9:11Georgia Hardstark?

  And we're back.

• 9:13Karen Kilgariff?

  Look at us getting into concept episodes.

• 9:16Georgia Hardstark?

  Q and A episode? What a great idea to not have to do homework.

• 9:19Karen Kilgariff?

  The whole, who came up with this idea to somehow sidestep full on? Cause at this point, we've been doing homework for two years or a year.

• 9:30Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, without a break and touring.

• 9:32Karen Kilgariff?

  A year and a half without a break. And somewhere in there, we were like, hey, we don't have to do this every week exactly the same way.

• 9:39Georgia Hardstark?

  And they're like really good questions too, that are like fun. And I think that like, I don't think we give boring answers to questions, which I think is a good thing. We need to do this again.

• 9:50Karen Kilgariff?

  A, we need to do it again. I completely agree. And B, I think when we have the opportunity, we put our whole heart and soul into whatever we're doing.

• 10:00Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes.

• 10:01Karen Kilgariff?

  If that is bad Wikipedia research, we give our whole heart and soul. And if it's simply just earnestly answering people's questions, we're there.

• 10:10Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, and then Steven's up in the mix as well. We also made it like super long, like it didn't need to, we could do a fucking bonus 20 minute Q and A episode every week if we want.

• 10:20Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah. I mean, at a certain point, we could just be answering people's questions like old Google. We'll call it old Google.

• 10:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 10:27Karen Kilgariff?

  And we'll just be, yeah, you know how you can't get answers to anything anymore?

• 10:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 10:32Karen Kilgariff?

  Well, that's us now. We're going to be your new search engine.

• 10:35Georgia Hardstark?

  It's called, what do you want us to Google? It's the thing of when your friend texts you a question that's like so Google-able, but like you're a little honored that they asked you, but you're also a little annoyed that they didn't just, and then you're like, oh, are they lonely?

• 10:47Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah. Do you miss me? Is that why you're asking me questions a map could answer?

• 10:53Georgia Hardstark?

  Right. About like wind patterns? I don't fucking know.

• 10:56Karen Kilgariff?

  You know, I don't know.

• 10:58Georgia Hardstark?

  You know, I don't know this.

• 10:59Karen Kilgariff?

  What question would you want to be asked?

• 11:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, always snacks for sure. Maybe like, what's your current favorite like dessert? Go to dessert.

• 11:12Karen Kilgariff?

  What is yours right now?

• 11:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, Trader Joe's has these little mini passion fruit ice cream bars.

• 11:20Karen Kilgariff?

  Ooh.

• 11:21Georgia Hardstark?

  That are so creamy and good. They're, they're not popsicles. They're like ice cream bars.

• 11:26Karen Kilgariff?

  Like little ones with a little stick?

• 11:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. Yeah. Just a mini popsicle. Or like a mini, yeah, like a mini.

• 11:30Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes. Like almost like a mini Dove bar.

• 11:33Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes, but not, but they're just, yeah, but they're just plain old.

• 11:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Passion fruit?

• 11:37Georgia Hardstark?

  What's yours?

• 11:38Karen Kilgariff?

  Does it have to be from Trader Joe's?

• 11:40Georgia Hardstark?

  No, no, no, no.

• 11:41Karen Kilgariff?

  Trader Joe's only.

• 11:43Georgia Hardstark?

  Just the thing you force yourself to eat protein so you can get to.

• 11:46Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, sour spaghetti strings, those, those gummy. It's the most childish gummy candy, but there's something about when you put like five of them in your mouth at once. Cause I'm about quantity. It's so satisfying.

• 12:01Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh my God. You know, I always say that you can, if you have anxiety, carry gummy sour candies with you.

• 12:08Karen Kilgariff?

  That's right. The perfect distraction.

• 12:10Georgia Hardstark?

  Totally.

• 12:11Karen Kilgariff?

  What if that's the way I've been, I've been self medicating this whole time by just shoving as many gummy candies into my mouth as possible?

• 12:19Georgia Hardstark?

  We've got to have an intervention for you. That would be so funny. Did you see like, like, like one of those Wingstop kind of places now have like a sour gummy candy?

• 12:31Karen Kilgariff?

  No.

• 12:31Georgia Hardstark?

  Sour Patch Kids Wingstop, like wings.

• 12:36Karen Kilgariff?

  Crossover? That's wrong.

• 12:37Georgia Hardstark?

  That's the disgusting thing I've ever heard.

• 12:39Karen Kilgariff?

  That's insane.

• 12:41Georgia Hardstark?

  And there's all chopped up like blue and fucking red.

• 12:44Karen Kilgariff?

  No.

• 12:45Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes. Shit. You know what this means? And I know Shannon's going to come to us and say, hey, you guys, how about for a fan cult video? You eat the fucking Wingstop.

• 12:55Karen Kilgariff?

  God damn it.

• 12:56Georgia Hardstark?

  You know she is.

• 12:57Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, exactly. And it's all for the content. On top of which, we're not even talking about this episode. Now we're just talking about other things we're gonna do.

• 13:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Now that we've teased it.

• 13:08Karen Kilgariff?

  Uh, okay. Should we close out this section and move on to questions?

• 13:13Georgia Hardstark?

  God, please.

• 13:14Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay. We'll be right back.

• 13:20Georgia Hardstark?

  October is the month when being scared is supposed to be fun.

• 13:23Karen Kilgariff?

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• 13:27Georgia Hardstark?

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• 13:29Karen Kilgariff?

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• 13:33Georgia Hardstark?

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• 13:56Karen Kilgariff?

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• 14:01Georgia Hardstark?

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• 14:04Karen Kilgariff?

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• 14:10Georgia Hardstark?

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• 14:12Karen Kilgariff?

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• 14:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Simply Safe, ahead of crime in real time. Goodbye.

• 14:23Karen Kilgariff?

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• 14:24Georgia Hardstark?

  Magnesium. Like the kind that's in Dr. Teal's magnesium spray.

• 14:28Karen Kilgariff?

  Made from a proprietary blend of topical minerals powered by pure Epsom salt and natural dead sea salt. It's designed to help you relax and get in the right state of mind for a good night's rest.

• 14:38Georgia Hardstark?

  If you need a reset after a crazy day, make Dr. Teal's magnesium spray part of your nighttime routine. It's an effortless way to get a boost of topical magnesium that can help you relax your body and mind before bedtime.

• 14:49Karen Kilgariff?

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• 14:53Georgia Hardstark?

  Just shake it up and generously spritz onto the soles of your feet and massage until absorbed.

• 14:57Karen Kilgariff?

  I was kind of blown away the first time I used this spray because I do have problems sleeping. And when there's something this simple, you just sprayed on your feet and suddenly you're asleep. And the next morning you're like, wait, what happened? Did my problem just get solved? Like it actually is that easy.

• 15:12Georgia Hardstark?

  And your stinky feet now smell like lavender. Like what more do you want?

• 15:15Karen Kilgariff?

  How dare you call my feet stinky?

• 15:18Georgia Hardstark?

  For wellness, you can feel fine. Dr. Teal's magnesium spray online or in your local bath aisle. Goodbye.

• 15:24Karen Kilgariff?

  Between work, school, family obligations and the endless Halloween hustle, it often feels like there's never a good time to slow down. The costumes, the parties, the planning, it all adds up. But no matter how busy life gets, even a small break can help us recharge, reset, and actually enjoy the moment we're in. Because breaks don't have to be big to matter. They can be the 15 minutes in your car before pickup or the two minutes while your little pumpkin ties his shoes. The pause between one task and the next, when you finally get a second to yourself. Kit Kat gives people permission to take the break they've earned and make it a better break, a real break. Because when you stop even briefly, you don't fall behind. You come back a little lighter, a little clearer, a little more ready for whatever's next.

• 16:08Karen Kilgariff?

  While the world tells us to keep going, Kit Kat reminds us that the best time for a break is now. Have a break, have a Kit Kat. Goodbye.

• 16:17Georgia Hardstark?

  All right. Let me ask you a question.

• 16:19Karen Kilgariff?

  Finally.

• 16:20Georgia Hardstark?

  Karen, this is a question from Lisa.

• 16:23Karen Kilgariff?

  Lisa?

• 16:23Georgia Hardstark?

  Lisa.

• 16:24Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay.

• 16:24Georgia Hardstark?

  Have you ever done an escape room?

• 16:26Karen Kilgariff?

  No.

• 16:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Me neither.

• 16:27Karen Kilgariff?

  No.

• 16:28Georgia Hardstark?

  I have no interest.

• 16:29Karen Kilgariff?

  I have no, okay. Like force ourselves to do it somewhere?

• 16:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 16:33Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, I think it's an interesting concept and I've heard people talk about it. There were people, remember when we were at the St. Patrick's Day party at Joe's? There were people leaving to go to an escape room and the way they described it sounded fun.

• 16:46Georgia Hardstark?

  To me, like you're leaving a party where you just hang out and talk and drink to go escape from a room?

• 16:51Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 16:51Georgia Hardstark?

  That's like, that's what you're doing right now. You just, it doesn't make sense to me.

• 16:56Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah. Why don't you, you know, you could do, if you're at a party, you've never been at this apartment before. Let me run ahead. I'll lock some shit up and now just try to leave this party. I'll try to, I'll, I'll stop you all, all along the way. Here's my thing. I don't want to do things and I don't want to do activities in public where you can succeed or fail.

• 17:17Georgia Hardstark?

  Right. And it's a panic to fucking succeed. Succeeding has a time limit.

• 17:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 17:22Georgia Hardstark?

  And so maybe you and Vince should do an escape room or a karaoke room when we're in Europe.

• 17:27Karen Kilgariff?

  I will a hundred percent do both of those with you because here's what will happen in the escape room. Vince will take over and be so fucking hilarious that we'll just stand there laughing while he takes care of it for us.

• 17:37Georgia Hardstark?

  And we won't care.

• 17:39Karen Kilgariff?

  Right.

• 17:39Georgia Hardstark?

  So we'll never escape.

• 17:40Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, also I do have, there is a lot of faith in, in the idea of an escape room because all it's going to take is one lunatic to run one of those where suddenly it's not a game.

• 17:52Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 17:52Karen Kilgariff?

  And you're actually locked into a weird room.

• 17:54Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, you're thinking of like the next Saw movie.

• 17:56Karen Kilgariff?

  I'm, I've just written, I've written Saw 11. I believe it's.

• 18:00Georgia Hardstark?

  It's called Escape Room.

• 18:00Karen Kilgariff?

  Escape Room.

• 18:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay. You want me to ask you more?

• 18:05Karen Kilgariff?

  No, let me ask you one. I think we should go back and forth.

• 18:07Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, great.

• 18:08Karen Kilgariff?

  Um, let's see. Uh.

• 18:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Just pick one at random. Don't even read it.

• 18:14Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay. Appetizers or desserts, Georgia?

• 18:16Georgia Hardstark?

  Appetizers a hundred forever for the rest of my life.

• 18:19Karen Kilgariff?

  Really? That was from Mindy, by the way. Sorry. I should have said her name first.

• 18:22Georgia Hardstark?

  Mindy, I need to tell you that my favorite food is happy hour and that's all I want is appetizers.

• 18:29Karen Kilgariff?

  And what's your, what would you say your number one, two, one, two, and three appetizers would be?

• 18:34Georgia Hardstark?

  Like at a normal place or if I could like have my dream appetizer?

• 18:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Um, let's say the scene we'll set for you is you're at the fanciest restaurant you would want to go to for like your birthday.

• 18:45Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 18:46Karen Kilgariff?

  And that would be?

• 18:48Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, shit, man.

• 18:49Karen Kilgariff?

  Or you could say a type.

• 18:50Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 18:51Karen Kilgariff?

  If you don't want to be in a place.

• 18:52Georgia Hardstark?

  I guess Tam O Shanter over here.

• 18:55Karen Kilgariff?

  That is the fanciest restaurant.

• 18:56Georgia Hardstark?

  That's all like terrible.

• 18:58Karen Kilgariff?

  It's awesome.

• 18:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay. Here's what I want. I don't care where it is. I want a fucking on point cheese plate.

• 19:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 19:04Georgia Hardstark?

  Like the on pointiest fucking cheese plate with honey and.

• 19:08Karen Kilgariff?

  Like the one we got in Cleveland.

• 19:09Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes.

• 19:10Karen Kilgariff?

  That was the best.

• 19:11Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, you know what else I want? Mini fucking corn dogs. Fancy corn dogs.

• 19:14Karen Kilgariff?

  We should find out what that restaurant's called. We went to a restaurant in Cleveland. It was a brew pub. It had all these items. Go ahead.

• 19:20Georgia Hardstark?

  And then just like, uh, deviled eggs.

• 19:25Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh yes. You love a deviled egg.

• 19:27Georgia Hardstark?

  That's all, that's my three, like, I just want that for dinner every night.

• 19:32Karen Kilgariff?

  That might be too high in cholesterol for you.

• 19:34Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 19:35Karen Kilgariff?

  Uh, dessert?

• 19:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Or appetizers?

• 19:38Karen Kilgariff?

  What my answer is, a hundred percent dessert.

• 19:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 19:41Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, I, not that I don't love a good appetizer, but I do, am the person who truly, I don't talk about the fact that I'm saving room for dessert. I'm just doing it. But I'll only base it on if I know, there's nothing more embarrassing when you're the only one that wants to get dessert.

• 19:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Do you guys want dessert? No.

• 19:57Karen Kilgariff?

  Come on, we'll split it. And everyone's just staring at you. I'm like, I'm paleo. But my favorite thing is when everyone gets dessert and when even, even when the staunchest paleoist break down and get like one scoop of the thing and then they're like, this is the craziest thing I've ever had. It's like, what? That's what life's all about.

• 20:16Georgia Hardstark?

  We've been living in Los Angeles for way too long. Everyone is a thing. Everyone is a fucking gluten-free, paleo, vegan, fucking, sugar-free, juicing, juicing, fucking bullshit.

• 20:29Karen Kilgariff?

  Fat flush.

• 20:31Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes.

• 20:32Karen Kilgariff?

  All right. That's, that was mine. So what's yours?

• 20:34Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 20:36Georgia Hardstark?

  Um, this is a different Lisa. It says, different Lisa. Thank you, Steve. And this is another food question. What are each of your favorite cereals?

• 20:47Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh shit, bitch.

• 20:49Georgia Hardstark?

  Question. I love that these are not murder related.

• 20:51Karen Kilgariff?

  I like it. Coming straight out of the box with those sugar corn pops.

• 20:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Sugar, sugar, sugar pops? Are they called that?

• 20:59Karen Kilgariff?

  I think now they're called corn pops, right?

• 21:01Georgia Hardstark?

  Are those the ones with the frog?

• 21:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Those are sugar smacks. And those are little weird oat, puffed oats. This is puffed corn.

• 21:11Georgia Hardstark?

  I don't know it.

• 21:11Karen Kilgariff?

  They're bigger. They look like golden nuggets.

• 21:14Georgia Hardstark?

  Ooh.

• 21:14Karen Kilgariff?

  And.

• 21:15Georgia Hardstark?

  Do they look like, um, what are those thing, those things called? Corn, Aztec corn?

• 21:20Karen Kilgariff?

  That's right. You know those.

• 21:21Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, yeah. Corn pops?

• 21:23Karen Kilgariff?

  Corn pops.

• 21:23Georgia Hardstark?

  Those are good?

• 21:24Karen Kilgariff?

  That's, I could eat, I'm not kidding, like 13 bowls of those in a row. I, I can't have cereal in the house because I, when I start to eat it, I love it so much that I can't stop.

• 21:34Georgia Hardstark?

  I think that's a normal thing for people, for like, a lot of women.

• 21:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Really?

• 21:38Georgia Hardstark?

  Like, they can't have cereal in the house.

• 21:40Karen Kilgariff?

  It's just because you keep on filling up.

• 21:42Georgia Hardstark?

  Cause you have a little milk left?

• 21:44Karen Kilgariff?

  I know, I know. Better finish this milk. Whoops, too dry. Better put some more milk in.

• 21:48Georgia Hardstark?

  Mine is, um, raisin nut bran. It's like the most boring. I am such a nerd. Have you had it?

• 21:56Karen Kilgariff?

  Is that the one where the raisins are coated in nuts?

• 21:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes.

• 21:59Karen Kilgariff?

  That's good shit.

• 22:00Georgia Hardstark?

  It's actually incredibly sweet. So it's not like, it's a secret healthy. It's not healthy.

• 22:05Karen Kilgariff?

  I like this though.

• 22:06Georgia Hardstark?

  It's so fucking good. I want to cry. And then like, I'll pour a bowl and eat it and think there weren't enough raisin nuts in there. And so I'll pour another bowl to get more raisin nuts. And then there's too many raisin nuts.

• 22:15Karen Kilgariff?

  Right.

• 22:16Georgia Hardstark?

  It's my favorite.

• 22:17Karen Kilgariff?

  I wonder if you shook that box?

• 22:19Georgia Hardstark?

  I shake it every time and it never, it's just always.

• 22:21Karen Kilgariff?

  Can't redistribute correctly.

• 22:22Georgia Hardstark?

  No. It's my, it's my problem. Uh, regular milk?

• 22:27Karen Kilgariff?

  Um, 2% is what I usually do.

• 22:29Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 22:30Karen Kilgariff?

  My cousins used to do fat-free and it was like, that milk is clear.

• 22:34Georgia Hardstark?

  It's water.

• 22:35Karen Kilgariff?

  That's scary. That milk is blue.

• 22:36Georgia Hardstark?

  And you're not supposed to drink that anymore now. I don't drink milk anymore, but if I do, yeah, I mean, I just don't have it. Yeah. It's either like vanilla, sugar, who cares?

• 22:48Karen Kilgariff?

  Why are you gonna give us your almond milk order?

• 22:50Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, but some fucking poor person's like, I wanted to hear about murder. Do you have a, ask a true crime, ask a murder one.

• 22:55Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay.

• 22:58Karen Kilgariff?

  Could, this is from Hillary. This is a fascinating question.

• 23:03Karen Kilgariff?

  Could either of you have stayed married to Robert Graysmith? Robert Graysmith was the, um, the cartoonist who worked at the San Francisco Chronicle when they were trying to solve like Zodiac killings.

• 23:14Georgia Hardstark?

  The weirdo?

• 23:15Karen Kilgariff?

  And he wrote that book and he's Jake Gyllenhaal in the movie Zodiacs by the French.

• 23:20Georgia Hardstark?

  He definitely seemed, I want, you know, you always want to be like, no, it's fascinating. I would have been so interested. He just seemed really, um, emotionally unavailable.

• 23:28Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 23:29Georgia Hardstark?

  He didn't seem like a warm person.

• 23:32Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes. Yeah. I think, um, I've already had that relationship and.

• 23:38Georgia Hardstark?

  Which was like what? What, what are the characteristics of it?

• 23:40Karen Kilgariff?

  It was almost exactly like that where it's a person who's really nice, but has their own interests and is basically, feels like they're just living an entirely separate life.

• 23:49Georgia Hardstark?

  Who doesn't share, doesn't share with you, even if it's an interest you're not interested in?

• 23:55Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 23:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Or do you just get sick of it after a while?

• 23:57Karen Kilgariff?

  It's just not, when somebody is so kind of dedicated to their own mind.

• 24:02Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 24:02Karen Kilgariff?

  It's just, it's really lonely to be with a person like that.

• 24:05Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 24:05Karen Kilgariff?

  And I'm too like, I want to be up in everybody's business all the time.

• 24:09Georgia Hardstark?

  For sure.

• 24:10Karen Kilgariff?

  Like I don't, I want, I need talking and I need, you know, that kind of thing. And like a Graysmith, he, there's some, I mean, it was Jake Gyllenhaal, so it was charming, but he was a lunatic.

• 24:20Georgia Hardstark?

  Right, right. I need more codependency in my relationships and I'm not even kidding.

• 24:25Karen Kilgariff?

  You need him to need you a little bit more.

• 24:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. I have a codependent personality, which I thought was a big problem for a long time until my therapist was like, well, you and Vince are interdependent. You're not codependent because it's working out fine for both of you.

• 24:38Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 24:39Georgia Hardstark?

  Cause you're giving each other what you need.

• 24:40Karen Kilgariff?

  Exactly.

• 24:41Georgia Hardstark?

  So it's okay that like, you're a little fucking lunatic about it. Yeah. And so I need someone who needs me more than that.

• 24:49Karen Kilgariff?

  That's right.

• 24:49Georgia Hardstark?

  You know what I mean?

• 24:50Karen Kilgariff?

  I really do.

• 24:51Georgia Hardstark?

  I like that. Um, let's see.

• 24:55Karen Kilgariff?

  Relationship goals.

• 24:58Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, here's this one. What's your favorite, did they, this is from Katie. What's your favorite, did they or didn't they murder?

• 25:07Karen Kilgariff?

  Well, if you want to get honest about it, how about fucking Natalie Wood's mysterious death and Robert Wagner and Christopher Walken? And how they fucking never talk about that or figure it out.

• 25:17Georgia Hardstark?

  They keep saying, they just said they reopened the case and I was like, tell us everything.

• 25:21Karen Kilgariff?

  Tell us why, like, what, what would be very cool now is if this next wave of the way crime solving starts to work is that we start to just get the true truth of like, oh, this person paid this person, it's, it almost like everything becomes an expose. Oh, well, so-and-so paid somebody a hundred thousand dollars.

• 25:43Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 25:44Karen Kilgariff?

  Like to actually be able to track bribery, to track all the things and just really know what really happened.

• 25:50Georgia Hardstark?

  Totally. Well, Stephen made a good point that we need to bring our recorder with us on our tour because what if the Zodiac is fucking found through DNA while we're there and we're just scrambling to scream into our phone? To record an episode.

• 26:06Karen Kilgariff?

  That would be, you know, you do have a selfie stick, right?

• 26:09Georgia Hardstark?

  I do. I'll bring it.

• 26:10Karen Kilgariff?

  We need it.

• 26:11Georgia Hardstark?

  That is brilliant. If you're not already on the fan cult and I'm talking in the future because I think we've decided that while we're on our UK tour, we're going to be posting videos.

• 26:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 26:23Georgia Hardstark?

  Now it turns out we're going to be doing with a fucking selfie stick.

• 26:26Karen Kilgariff?

  Selfie stick.

• 26:28Karen Kilgariff?

  I think it'll be funny and fun.

• 26:29Georgia Hardstark?

  I think it's a fucking great idea.

• 26:31Karen Kilgariff?

  To do it that way.

• 26:31Georgia Hardstark?

  I'm gonna, I'm gonna bring a bigger purse just so I can carry it in my big purse.

• 26:35Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, I have to say, I don't like recording myself in any way, but the idea of us keeping a video log as we travel through Europe in the weirdest, non, it's almost anti-tourism, the way chores end up going. You like get there, you get to your room, you pass out, you're super tired, you work on your shit.

• 26:55Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 26:55Karen Kilgariff?

  You go to a show, you have this surreal.

• 26:58Georgia Hardstark?

  In the backs, in the back of this like weird auditorium with like weird snacks. Oh, and they're going to be specially weird because they're fucking.

• 27:05Karen Kilgariff?

  Foreign snacks.

• 27:06Georgia Hardstark?

  I love foreign snacks.

• 27:07Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, and it's going to be higher quality because they have better, they care about human beings. Oh, it's going to be really nice. And no vegetables.

• 27:14Georgia Hardstark?

  No vegetables, please.

• 27:16Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay.

• 27:16Georgia Hardstark?

  Wait, was that you? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We said, did they, didn't, oh yeah, Robert Wagner.

• 27:21Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, sorry.

• 27:21Georgia Hardstark?

  I want that one too.

• 27:22Karen Kilgariff?

  What's yours?

• 27:22Georgia Hardstark?

  JonBenet.

• 27:23Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, JonBenet.

• 27:23Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 27:25Karen Kilgariff?

  They did. What if, what if all these oldies just start getting solved?

• 27:28Georgia Hardstark?

  Ooh, that'll be fun.

• 27:30Karen Kilgariff?

  That'll be like, that could be the perfect antidote to the Trump administration. Like I already, like, when Golden State Killer, when they arrest him, I, something lifted off of me that was just like, oh yeah, more of this.

• 27:44Georgia Hardstark?

  Cause it's fair.

• 27:45Karen Kilgariff?

  Finally justice.

• 27:46Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 27:46Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 27:47Georgia Hardstark?

  It's so unfair that this motherfucker got to hide.

• 27:51Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 27:52Georgia Hardstark?

  And yeah, that's a good point.

• 27:54Karen Kilgariff?

  Fair, it's finally fair.

• 27:55Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, it's, it's gonna be even. It's not, but.

• 27:58Karen Kilgariff?

  Georgia?

• 27:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 27:59Karen Kilgariff?

  This is from Justine.

• 28:01Georgia Hardstark?

  Justine.

• 28:02Karen Kilgariff?

  Do you believe in astrology?

• 28:03Georgia Hardstark?

  No.

• 28:04Karen Kilgariff?

  You do not?

• 28:05Georgia Hardstark?

  But it's fun.

• 28:07Karen Kilgariff?

  But you don't like believe it's the truth?

• 28:09Georgia Hardstark?

  I think it's really fun and it doesn't hurt anyone. And I like, I always want to hear my horoscope. If someone's like, oh, I'm going to read my horoscope. Fucking read me Gemini. But here's the problem too. Is that my sign, Gemini? We're fucking known for being batshit bananas, crazy, unreliable, shitty people. And I swear to God, I'm not. And I'm sure every Gemini says this, I'm not like normal Geminis. I know Geminis.

• 28:35Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 28:35Georgia Hardstark?

  And they're fucking whack.

• 28:37Karen Kilgariff?

  My mother was a Gemini.

• 28:38Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh shit.

• 28:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, no. What was she like? Was she like me at all?

• 28:47Georgia Hardstark?

  What were they like?

• 28:47Karen Kilgariff?

  A little bit.

• 28:48Georgia Hardstark?

  Panionated and, you know?

• 28:51Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, it's just the turns. It's the turns of like, good mood, bad mood, or interested, not interested. Not like, you don't do it emotionally. You're very steady emotionally, in my opinion. You change your mind a lot.

• 29:04Georgia Hardstark?

  That's true.

• 29:04Karen Kilgariff?

  But that's just-

• 29:05Georgia Hardstark?

  That's not true. That's kinda true.

• 29:08Karen Kilgariff?

  That's kinda true. You know it.

• 29:10Georgia Hardstark?

  Do you? Taurus? You're a Taurus?

• 29:12Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes. I, yes. Except for the way they describe Taurus. Taurus?

• 29:18Georgia Hardstark?

  Taurus.

• 29:19Karen Kilgariff?

  Instead of like the car commercial. Taurus. The way they describe it as like, homebound, earthy, into flowers, or whatever. I'm like, you're just describing a cow. That's, you're saying what a cow does in the field.

• 29:33Georgia Hardstark?

  But don't they say you're like, you guys are like, you're the opposite of me, where you like, make a decision and there's no fucking changing your mind at all?

• 29:41Karen Kilgariff?

  That's right. Stubborn.

• 29:42Georgia Hardstark?

  Stubborn.

• 29:43Karen Kilgariff?

  Super stubborn and super like, stick to the plan.

• 29:48Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. I don't believe, I guess the thing is, I don't believe in astrology. I enjoy it. So I don't believe, you know what I mean? Like, of course, when I meet a, when I meet a dude I'm dating that I'm into, I look up, I geminiize and whatever the fuck, go together.

• 30:01Karen Kilgariff?

  Exactly. Find that birthday.

• 30:02Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 30:03Karen Kilgariff?

  And everyone does this. I wonder if, I bet guys don't do it, but girls do this all the time.

• 30:07Georgia Hardstark?

  Guys don't do it for sure.

• 30:08Karen Kilgariff?

  You've, that's right. You find the person's birthday and then you look up that like, Linda Goodman sun signs. And you're like, oh my God, look at how compatible we are.

• 30:17Georgia Hardstark?

  I will say, like, Vince is a pretty perfect Leo, and, which is like a steady, fucking reliable, dependable person.

• 30:25Karen Kilgariff?

  Yep.

• 30:25Georgia Hardstark?

  And it works with my fucking crazy brain Gemini.

• 30:30Karen Kilgariff?

  My sister's a Leo too.

• 30:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh. You asked me that one.

• 30:34Karen Kilgariff?

  I did.

• 30:34Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, so let me ask you one.

• 30:35Karen Kilgariff?

  Sorry, but did I say that was Justine's? Cause it was Justine's question.

• 30:38Georgia Hardstark?

  Justine, Justine.

• 30:39Karen Kilgariff?

  It was fun to talk about Justine.

• 30:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, okay. This is from Karina. Do you have any tips for traveling and easing anxiety in strange places? Or should I do a murder one?

• 30:51Karen Kilgariff?

  No, no, that's good. Um.

• 30:54Georgia Hardstark?

  Music. Constantly have music in your ears or something soothing that you enjoy.

• 30:59Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, you gotta get those wireless air buds.

• 31:01Georgia Hardstark?

  The best.

• 31:02Karen Kilgariff?

  They are worth, I think they're a hundred and fifty bucks.

• 31:04Georgia Hardstark?

  This is not a commercial.

• 31:05Karen Kilgariff?

  It is not a commercial. This is like, if you're on old school headphones.

• 31:10Georgia Hardstark?

  And you keep walking past a doorknob and ripping them out of your fucking head.

• 31:13Karen Kilgariff?

  The worst. Get those wireless ones. They're little, it just feels like you are in your own world. And then you're, you're able to build your own world a little bit.

• 31:22Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 31:22Karen Kilgariff?

  And know that if you, by traveling, if you mean you're nervous to fly on a plane, I just told somebody else this, the day I was locked out of my house, and I did, I said, ask me anything. You have to remember the one you're flying, you're safer on a plane than you are in your bathroom.

• 31:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh my God.

• 31:37Karen Kilgariff?

  You're more likely to get killed in your bathroom than you are on a plane. And you have to watch, if you start to get nervous, or you start, or your mental kind of storyline starts taking over, just start watching the flight attendants. They are so calm. They do it all day long. There's, you can always look at them and be like, that's, that's what I'm supposed to be matching.

• 32:00Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 32:01Karen Kilgariff?

  And also, they know, if you really start feeling like you're gonna have a panic attack or something, fucking tell one of them. They're trained to deal with it.

• 32:08Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 32:08Karen Kilgariff?

  Because people do get like, you just don't like to be in a enclosed space. But if you can get some air buds, then you'll be in a weird world inside of your own head. And then it won't feel like you're just in a plane.

• 32:20Georgia Hardstark?

  My thing for traveling too with anxiety, which I've overcome, because I've had to do it, I've had to travel so fucking much. So I would say travel a lot, but you can't do that, is, is that I kept realizing that I would be anxious and unhappy and nervous every time I'd go anywhere. And then I'd come back and everything would be fine. And I would be really bummed that I had missed an opportunity to explore and enjoy, you know, where I was and what I was doing. And it's just, I don't, you don't want to live your life being disappointed that your anxiety let you overtook your life. You know, cause I'd be like, the cats are gonna die, the house is, I need to get home. And I'd come home and the cats wouldn't give a shit that I was home.

• 33:00Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 33:00Georgia Hardstark?

  But they would for a minute, and then they would be over it. And I'm like, Buck, I wish I really had taken a walk instead of taking a nap because I was overwhelmed.

• 33:06Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 33:06Georgia Hardstark?

  You know, and seen Seattle or whatever the fuck, so.

• 33:09Karen Kilgariff?

  And, but I think you're right in that you need the proof. If you have anxiety and then, and it keeps you from doing things, then you get to keep that storyline in your head because you never prove yourself otherwise.

• 33:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 33:20Karen Kilgariff?

  But like, you were forced to travel.

• 33:21Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 33:22Karen Kilgariff?

  We went on tour. Suddenly, you're like, this is no big deal. I'm doing it every other weekend. Remember, when we first planned the first tour, we were like, we don't want to do that many dates and we don't want to go that many places because we were, neither of us were that interested. And when he was like, you guys, you're gonna go to Australia? I was like, no fucking way.

• 33:39Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 33:40Karen Kilgariff?

  Those, those are all my reactions at first.

• 33:41Georgia Hardstark?

  I was like, well, great, I'm gonna die on my way to Australia.

• 33:44Karen Kilgariff?

  Of course. I mean, yeah.

• 33:47Georgia Hardstark?

  It's just, yeah, when you have anxiety, it's hard to believe.

• 33:49Karen Kilgariff?

  Just know what your brain is serving up to you is normal, human bullshit.

• 33:52Georgia Hardstark?

  Right, and it's a lie.

• 33:53Karen Kilgariff?

  It's a lie. And it happens to everybody and you don't, it's not, yeah, it's, the alarms aren't going off. It's actually just

• 34:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 34:03Karen Kilgariff?

  Normal brain processes.

• 34:05Georgia Hardstark?

  And the, and practice for all of this makes perfect. Because the more you prove to yourself that you're incorrect about what you are worried about, the less you'll believe it when it comes up again. And you'll just blow it off at some point, which is really fucking cool.

• 34:18Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, you'll have a new experience.

• 34:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 34:20Karen Kilgariff?

  And hopefully find someone else, something else to be stressed out about.

• 34:23Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 34:24Karen Kilgariff?

  They're out there. Is, it's me, right?

• 34:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, I think so.

• 34:28Karen Kilgariff?

  Georgia.

• 34:28Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 34:29Karen Kilgariff?

  And I don't know if you want to name names or not.

• 34:31Georgia Hardstark?

  Always.

• 34:32Karen Kilgariff?

  But this is from Kelly. If you could go back to high school, which teacher would you tell off?

• 34:38Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh. I don't remember his name, but there was this creepy fucking-

• 34:43Karen Kilgariff?

  Probably for the best.

• 34:44Georgia Hardstark?

  Political science teacher. Who was like, he was like the poli sci and the fucking football coach teacher, you know? And he'd like, wore a gold chain and had his like, he always wore like, he always wore like khakis and then the like, um, high school logo, like polo button, like polo shirt. And would be unbuttoned a little with the hair. And like, he would flirt with the popular girls. Like, they loved him.

• 35:10Karen Kilgariff?

  Sure.

• 35:11Georgia Hardstark?

  And like, they would like, I, I remember when sitting on his lap for some reason.

• 35:16Karen Kilgariff?

  Wow.

• 35:16Georgia Hardstark?

  Like, he was a creep, but only to the like, pretty popular girls, which I clearly wasn't. Not that I wanted his attention, but I was like, from a, from, from a place of over here, this is fucking wrong and creepy.

• 35:29Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 35:30Georgia Hardstark?

  And, and everyone else loved him. There was, you know, the popular kid's favorite teacher.

• 35:34Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 35:35Georgia Hardstark?

  I'm sure he bought them beer.

• 35:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, yeah. It's like, almost like a weird cult springs up. Well, also, those are those weird moments in, when you're growing up. And you're kind of like, when you, you, those lines between popular, unproper, or like, hot and not hot, they can be blurry for a while because you just don't ever want to know for sure, or you can kind of kid yourself or whatever. But when there are creepy adults that are like, hone in on girls. And it starts to happen to you in your, you know, like, when you're 13 and older, where suddenly, like, you know you don't have a target on you. So, so at first, you're like, ooh, thank God. And then you're kind of like, I'm invisible.

• 36:14Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 36:15Karen Kilgariff?

  And you don't know how to feel about it because it's like, it's so creepy. And yet, at the same time, they don't give a shit about you.

• 36:22Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. It's cause, it's cause you're not living, it feels like it's cause you don't know how to live in society the way everyone else does.

• 36:29Karen Kilgariff?

  Right.

• 36:29Georgia Hardstark?

  Like, you're an outcast.

• 36:30Karen Kilgariff?

  It's like, you're not being targeted by a fucking-

• 36:33Georgia Hardstark?

  Predator. Yeah. I know, there was a girl, yeah. What about you?

• 36:40Karen Kilgariff?

  We had a teacher, I had a teacher that was, I would just love to go in and be like, you, you have a rage issue. He was like this insane screamer. And he was not, like, I think it was this thing, he was on the shorter side. And I think it was a thing of like, keeping the class in control. But it would go so far past normal

• 37:01Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 37:02Karen Kilgariff?

  yelling at a classroom full of kids. And people would just be like, like, sitting there, like, rolling their eyes. And he would be going, he would be like, snapping. And it was, in Catholic school, like, they don't have to-

• 37:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 37:13Karen Kilgariff?

  There's, it's not the same like, standards. They can kind of do whatever they want. So they, they, there were teachers in my high school that were fucking insane.

• 37:21Georgia Hardstark?

  Isn't it crazy to watch an adult lose their temper? When you're like, younger?

• 37:25Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 37:25Georgia Hardstark?

  And you're like, an adult losing their temper is like, funny almost.

• 37:31Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 37:32Georgia Hardstark?

  And like, oh God.

• 37:33Karen Kilgariff?

  Well, especially when they're like, seething, where you're kind of like, sorry, this is about something else.

• 37:38Georgia Hardstark?

  This doesn't fit.

• 37:38Karen Kilgariff?

  This is not, this is not about chemistry.

• 37:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Was his name Joseph D'Angelo?

• 37:44Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, for real. Like, inappropriate anger, where it's like, it's so nice that we're slowly coming into a time where that, that truly is inappropriate.

• 37:53Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 37:53Karen Kilgariff?

  Like, people go, oh, that's not normal.

• 37:55Georgia Hardstark?

  No. I feel like though, luckily, there's more teachers I'd want to go back and thank than I'd want to go back and

• 38:01Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes, for sure.

• 38:01Georgia Hardstark?

  Shout at, thankfully.

• 38:02Karen Kilgariff?

  Definitely.

• 38:05Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, let's see here. Da da da. All right, this is from Rebecca. Which celebrity do you think has murdered someone and used their abundant resources to cover it up?

• 38:20Georgia Hardstark?

  I wanted to be someone, I know who it is. Paul Giamatti.

• 38:24Karen Kilgariff?

  How dare you? How dare you?

• 38:26Georgia Hardstark?

  I bet he has killed multiple people.

• 38:29Karen Kilgariff?

  No, that man is, his heart is right on his sleeve. How dare you say that about my sweet baby angel?

• 38:35Georgia Hardstark?

  His victims.

• 38:37Karen Kilgariff?

  You know who I would say? I think it's someone more like, it's like a Vanna White type. You know what I mean? One of those people where they, they're like head turns on their neck like they're a weird doll.

• 38:52Georgia Hardstark?

  What about, uh, not Pat Sajak, who's Jeopardy? Alex Trebek.

• 38:57Karen Kilgariff?

  Alex Trebek. I think he's too much of a nerd to kill anybody.

• 39:02Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, he doesn't look like he likes to get dirty.

• 39:05Karen Kilgariff?

  This is from Kelly, what's your dream vacation?

• 39:09Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh God, a nap.

• 39:11Karen Kilgariff?

  Dream vacation?

• 39:12Georgia Hardstark?

  Dream vacation.

• 39:13Karen Kilgariff?

  I don't know, I really, I just like eating. So hot weather, cold weather?

• 39:18Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, hot, warm weather.

• 39:20Karen Kilgariff?

  Warm.

• 39:20Georgia Hardstark?

  Warm sunny weather.

• 39:21Karen Kilgariff?

  Uh, beachside or mountains jungle?

• 39:24Georgia Hardstark?

  A little of both.

• 39:25Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay.

• 39:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Kauai, I want to go to Kauai.

• 39:27Karen Kilgariff?

  Nice.

• 39:28Georgia Hardstark?

  There we go.

• 39:29Karen Kilgariff?

  Have you been to that island?

• 39:30Georgia Hardstark?

  No.

• 39:31Karen Kilgariff?

  Have, you've been to Hawaii though?

• 39:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 39:33Karen Kilgariff?

  I can't believe how Hawaii smells.

• 39:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, it's just tropical.

• 39:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Like you get out of that fucking airport, well, I've, I've only been to Maui, but we walk out of the airport and you're just like, wait, what's happening?

• 39:44Georgia Hardstark?

  I think I'm gonna do it this summer.

• 39:46Karen Kilgariff?

  Do it.

• 39:46Georgia Hardstark?

  Cause we've just been traveling so much when we get back from this tour that we're currently on.

• 39:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah. Right this moment.

• 39:52Georgia Hardstark?

  Real, yeah, and take a real vacation.

• 39:54Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 39:55Georgia Hardstark?

  Where are you gonna, what do you want to do? Oh, you want to go to Vienna, Venice?

• 39:59Karen Kilgariff?

  Well, I do want to go to Venice, Italy, somewhere with a V. Victorville.

• 40:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Victorville, that's the one.

• 40:04Karen Kilgariff?

  There it is.

• 40:05Georgia Hardstark?

  Virginia, no, actually Virginia is probably really beautiful.

• 40:08Karen Kilgariff?

  Virginia's for lovers.

• 40:09Georgia Hardstark?

  It is.

• 40:11Karen Kilgariff?

  I want to go to, yes, I want to go to Venice, Italy. Before it is submerged underwater.

• 40:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Do it.

• 40:21Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, I like Italy, I like Italy.

• 40:24Georgia Hardstark?

  Hey, speaking of Victorville, Kelly wants to know, what's your least part, what's your least favorite part about Southern California?

• 40:30Karen Kilgariff?

  God, Kelly, uh, thank you for letting me, letting me, um, let me just open up my book here.

• 40:36Georgia Hardstark?

  Get up on your box.

• 40:37Karen Kilgariff?

  My least favorite part of Southern California is the fact that I, there's so much, and this was not where, I, I think there's more people like this up north now. But it used to be very Southern California thing when I moved here in the nineties. Mothers wearing their daughter's jeans with fucking facelifts, trying to act like they too are also still in high school. I find that, and it happens a ton in the San Fernando Valley. I find it to be heart wrenchingly, uh, horrifying. Like I find those women, yeah, it's depressing, it's like they want to go back, they're, they're like kind of using their daughter in this weird creepy

• 41:22Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh.

• 41:22Karen Kilgariff?

  puppet master way where it's like, do you want to wear this? And they're, it's just, it's so much.

• 41:28Georgia Hardstark?

  The ones who are like, we get confused for sisters all the time. Like, no, you fucking don't.

• 41:32Karen Kilgariff?

  No, you fucking don't, A and B, how about you step back, you've already had your fucking 48 years, step back and let Mackenzie step forward for five fucking seconds. Like that thing is so sick down here.

• 41:45Georgia Hardstark?

  My mom's my best friend.

• 41:47Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, no.

• 41:48Georgia Hardstark?

  My mom is my best friend.

• 41:49Karen Kilgariff?

  I used to do this in my act, but I had a joke where I said to my mom, I was trying to borrow money from her, so I told her she was my best friend and she goes, well, you're not my best friend. She really said that to me.

• 42:00Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow.

• 42:01Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah. Cause you know why? Because she's my mom.

• 42:04Georgia Hardstark?

  Exactly.

• 42:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Not my best friend.

• 42:05Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 42:06Karen Kilgariff?

  I'm supposed to have best friends that are my age and my mom has best friends that are her age. And you don't have to wear the same clothes because you're not even in the same realm of life.

• 42:17Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 42:17Karen Kilgariff?

  Give it a fucking break.

• 42:20Georgia Hardstark?

  This question was for you.

• 42:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Thank you for finally asking me that question. What's your answer?

• 42:24Georgia Hardstark?

  I don't care.

• 42:25Karen Kilgariff?

  You're from here.

• 42:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 42:26Karen Kilgariff?

  So maybe what's your, um,

• 42:28Georgia Hardstark?

  Pollution, air quality.

• 42:31Karen Kilgariff?

  Such a hippie. Such a Gemini.

• 42:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Traffic, the traffic and the people.

• 42:40Karen Kilgariff?

  I guess the landscape and the human beings.

• 42:46Georgia Hardstark?

  The, the, the, the disparate, nevermind.

• 42:50Karen Kilgariff?

  The disparate life experiences?

• 42:52Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 42:52Karen Kilgariff?

  Amy asked, who comes up with the titles for the episodes?

• 42:56Georgia Hardstark?

  That's a great question.

• 42:57Karen Kilgariff?

  Amy, nice one.

• 42:58Georgia Hardstark?

  Steven, why don't you answer this one for us? Tell us your, Steven, tell us your, um, your process.

• 43:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Walk us through.

• 43:05Georgia Hardstark?

  Walk us through, yeah.

• 43:06Speaker 02

  In my notebook.

• 43:07Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 43:08Speaker 02

  I, uh, write down things that I find funny and interesting.

• 43:12Georgia Hardstark?

  While we're, while we're talking.

• 43:13Speaker 02

  Yes, while you're talking.

• 43:14Karen Kilgariff?

  Not just random thoughts you have.

• 43:16Speaker 02

  Just like a diary while you're guys are doing the episode.

• 43:19Karen Kilgariff?

  Anyway.

• 43:20Speaker 02

  And then, yeah, I just throw it back your way and we just narrow it down to something that we, just makes us laugh, I think.

• 43:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Let's read from last night.

• 43:29Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 43:29Georgia Hardstark?

  This text you sent us, so we recorded episode, what was the one that was just posted today?

• 43:33Speaker 02

  119.

• 43:34Georgia Hardstark?

  So 119, but it'll be one, you know, whatever. So last night you left.

• 43:38Karen Kilgariff?

  So much stuff goes on in these texts.

• 43:41Georgia Hardstark?

  And then you text us options.

• 43:43Karen Kilgariff?

  At 11:00 PM, when we were both at that bar last night.

• 43:46Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 43:47Karen Kilgariff?

  Georgia walks up to me, uh, mid-party and goes,

• 43:49Georgia Hardstark?

  I go, sorry, sorry, real quick.

• 43:51Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh yeah. Excuse me, Ms. Kilgariff, she said.

• 43:53Georgia Hardstark?

  Important.

• 43:53Karen Kilgariff?

  And I said, away. And then she said, no, no, we have to answer this question. So here's a text from Steven, hey, here are some title ideas for this week's episode. Episode 119, Fingers Everywhere, which is what we ended up picking?

• 44:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 44:06Karen Kilgariff?

  Fingers Everywhere, but there was also Sally Holes, Power Day, Day Raccoon, Corn Style, and Reasonable Face.

• 44:16Speaker 02

  Well, and it's, I feel like my favorite thing when I first started listening to podcasts and people would name a title after something that was said in the episode. It was so, there was like an elation of like when the person finally said it, it was so fucking cool.

• 44:30Georgia Hardstark?

  Cause you don't know what it's in reference to.

• 44:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes. I like that.

• 44:33Karen Kilgariff?

  I do too. And when we started, we were trying to do those puns that were very fun until we got into the thirties. And then I realized it was just going to be the same numbers.

• 44:43Georgia Hardstark?

  With a three in front of it or?

• 44:44Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 44:44Georgia Hardstark?

  I feel like we should go back and rename some of those, rename those first episodes.

• 44:48Karen Kilgariff?

  Never.

• 44:49Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, great.

• 44:49Karen Kilgariff?

  No, it's too late. It's like, it's already in the ether, we can't do anything about it.

• 44:53Georgia Hardstark?

  See that and I'll be like, what, what does that even mean? Like in episode, what is it, like 2020? And it's like, what, that's not episode 2020, why did we name it that?

• 45:05Karen Kilgariff?

  I know. What I love is people, they'll go like, I just listening to Project Artichoke. And I was just like, I don't know what you're talking about. That one took me a while, I totally forgot that's what we named it. And people are being serious about something else we're talking about, but they're using the title.

• 45:21Georgia Hardstark?

  I love it.

• 45:21Karen Kilgariff?

  Like, we're like, uh, it's very, it's a very fun process, let's just say that.

• 45:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Uh, that was you.

• 45:28Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 45:28Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, if someone made, Karen, Alicia wants to know, if someone made a movie about your lives for some reason?

• 45:34Karen Kilgariff?

  Mm-hmm.

• 45:34Georgia Hardstark?

  Who would you want to play you?

• 45:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Well, of course Frances McDormand.

• 45:39Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, you don't look like her.

• 45:42Karen Kilgariff?

  I don't care.

• 45:42Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 45:43Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, does it have to be matchy-matchy?

• 45:45Georgia Hardstark?

  I guess not, it could be whoever the fuck you want.

• 45:48Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, I don't.

• 45:50Georgia Hardstark?

  I want both Olsen twins to play me.

• 45:54Georgia Hardstark?

  That wouldn't be so complicated that it takes, in Gemini, that it takes twins to fucking play me.

• 46:00Karen Kilgariff?

  You know what? That's cool, actually. And very like Charlie Kaufman artistic.

• 46:05Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 46:06Karen Kilgariff?

  And cinematic.

• 46:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Like we couldn't get one actress to encapsulate all her depth and fucking interesting shit.

• 46:12Karen Kilgariff?

  No way.

• 46:12Georgia Hardstark?

  And the like, the, just the reverberations of her belches. So we had to have two actresses belch at the same time. Yeah.

• 46:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, that's good.

• 46:23Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, how about you? Charlie Kaufman?

• 46:26Karen Kilgariff?

  Uh, yeah.

• 46:26Georgia Hardstark?

  You want Charlie Kaufman to play you?

• 46:27Karen Kilgariff?

  I think, um, Charlie Brown.

• 46:32Karen Kilgariff?

  That was my niece's, she used to call like, um, you know, Merry Christmas Charlie Brown or whatever, this Charlie Brown peanut specials. My sister used to play them for us, for her, for us. I was there too. But all the time, and, and so she'd look, she was like two years old and she'd look and be like, Charlie Brown? It's like the only thing she could say, but it was her way of saying like, do you want to watch it again? And then the first baby doll my sister ever bought her that looked, one of those dolls that looked like a real baby. My, she pulled it out of the box and she's staring at it, holding it and smiling. And my sister goes, what are you gonna name her? And she goes, Charlie Brown. Because it's a little bald, round-headed baby. And we were like, you're the smartest child on the planet.

• 47:13Georgia Hardstark?

  The way she can, uh, put these things together.

• 47:16Karen Kilgariff?

  The way she calls every single thing she sees Charlie Brown.

• 47:20Karen Kilgariff?

  What's the scariest bug, Georgia? This is from Becca.

• 47:23Georgia Hardstark?

  The scariest bug, uh, is a, anything that's not supposed to fly that flies.

• 47:31Karen Kilgariff?

  Ew.

• 47:31Georgia Hardstark?

  Like a flying spider. Why is it flying? It's a spider. You know what I mean? Or like a fucking flying roach.

• 47:40Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 47:40Georgia Hardstark?

  It's supposed to be a fucking cockroach, why is it flying?

• 47:43Karen Kilgariff?

  I came home last night, real time last night, to us, our real time. And in the TV room, Frank was not paying attention to the food that I had. He was like wagging his tail, which he almost never does, and doing something in the corner. And I was like, there's a bug over there.

• 48:01Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 48:01Karen Kilgariff?

  And it turned out to be one of these cockroaches that's like,

• 48:04Georgia Hardstark?

  The big, black, like, big fucking, like a beetle?

• 48:07Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes, that, but they're, they're brown.

• 48:10Georgia Hardstark?

  Brown, right, right, right.

• 48:11Karen Kilgariff?

  But with wings and, but like, but like shells, they're like, they're like water bugs almost. And Frank was ha, had half eaten. And it was not good.

• 48:24Georgia Hardstark?

  Wagging his fucking tail for?

• 48:25Karen Kilgariff?

  Cause he thinks it's fun, it's like a little monster that he's caught.

• 48:28Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh my God, well, I still have that box of moths on the fucking, that I haven't moved on the fucking balcony from the cats.

• 48:35Karen Kilgariff?

  Are you just gonna brick over that balcony and never go out there again? That's a good, I mean, look.

• 48:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Listen. Oh, uh, give me the other page. Where's the other page?

• 48:45Karen Kilgariff?

  Steven has it.

• 48:46Georgia Hardstark?

  Would either of you, John wants to know, would either of you go in a hot air balloon?

• 48:50Karen Kilgariff?

  No. No, uh, you know what's weird? I want to go to a hot air balloon festival, get up at dawn and watch them all take off. Like in those slide shows that my father sends me through email constantly, those forwarded emails.

• 49:04Georgia Hardstark?

  Do they have like, uh, uplifting quotes in cursive on them?

• 49:08Karen Kilgariff?

  You can do it.

• 49:09Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 49:10Karen Kilgariff?

  But I would love to see that in real life, like see, watch them get blown up and take, take off.

• 49:15Georgia Hardstark?

  Can there be like, can I get like, can there be like an apple cider festival going on too? Cause I want snacks. If I'm gonna wake up that early and go look at a thing that I'm not part of.

• 49:24Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay.

• 49:24Georgia Hardstark?

  I want snacks.

• 49:25Karen Kilgariff?

  Great, so we'll do, this will be like a September thing that we'll do.

• 49:29Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 49:30Karen Kilgariff?

  So it'll be kind of like autumnal.

• 49:33Georgia Hardstark?

  Autumnal.

• 49:33Karen Kilgariff?

  What, if we do it at the Circleville Pumpkin Show?

• 49:36Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh my God.

• 49:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Circleville Pumpkin Show.

• 49:41Karen Kilgariff?

  Uh, what was the question?

• 49:44Georgia Hardstark?

  It's just about hot air balloons.

• 49:46Karen Kilgariff?

  Here's my answer. No, because Margaret Cho was in a hot air balloon crash.

• 49:51Georgia Hardstark?

  Shut up.

• 49:52Karen Kilgariff?

  And the last time I did a, I did a show, she was on it and she told the story and I could not stop laughing. She like, like it, people got seriously hurt because a wind kicked up.

• 50:02Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, no.

• 50:03Karen Kilgariff?

  And her hot air balloon crashed.

• 50:04Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay. I just don't, none of this, don't do this. Don't do it.

• 50:09Karen Kilgariff?

  Don't go up there.

• 50:10Georgia Hardstark?

  Don't go up there.

• 50:11Karen Kilgariff?

  But for a little while, and this is very fascinating, for a little while, people thought like in the whatever 1700s or I don't know, probably 1600s, people thought hot air balloons.

• 50:21Georgia Hardstark?

  It's the 1500s.

• 50:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Maybe it was 1400s. People thought hot air balloons were the way everyone was going to travel. Have you ever seen those like postcards, illustrations of like?

• 50:31Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 50:31Karen Kilgariff?

  People thought that that was going to be like the new super highway.

• 50:34Georgia Hardstark?

  Idiots.

• 50:35Karen Kilgariff?

  Fucking fools.

• 50:36Georgia Hardstark?

  Stupid heads.

• 50:38Karen Kilgariff?

  Um, we did that one.

• 50:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Right, Elvis.

• 50:40Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay, Sue asks us this. She says, stupid icebreaker type question. But if you'd only bring five things with you to a desert island, five things, what would they be? I'm going to count them off while you say what they are.

• 50:53Georgia Hardstark?

  Elvis.

• 50:54Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 50:55Georgia Hardstark?

  Vince. Do you like that Vince a second?

• 50:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Don't tell him. Mimi, Dottie.

• 51:02Karen Kilgariff?

  One thing left.

• 51:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Ah shit. Uh, a fucking hammock.

• 51:11Karen Kilgariff?

  And then you all get into that hammock together.

• 51:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Die.

• 51:13Karen Kilgariff?

  As a family.

• 51:14Georgia Hardstark?

  And starve to death.

• 51:16Karen Kilgariff?

  I would have, I would have to bring, the very first thing is tweezers. Fucking.

• 51:21Georgia Hardstark?

  Is it because the sun's going to look like be great and you can, you're going to actually see those?

• 51:26Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 51:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Hairs?

• 51:26Karen Kilgariff?

  That and I will fully look like Tom Hanks in Cast Away if I don't bring tweezers.

• 51:33Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 51:33Karen Kilgariff?

  In six months, they'll come and rescue me and be like, this man has a goatee.

• 51:38Georgia Hardstark?

  Did you meet Karen?

• 51:39Karen Kilgariff?

  We don't need her. Um, so I would say tweezers.

• 51:46Georgia Hardstark?

  A mirror. You'll need a mirror.

• 51:47Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh yeah, that's right. A mirror. Um, my airbus, if they were connected to something.

• 51:54Georgia Hardstark?

  And you might as well bring alcohol if you're going to be on a fucking deserted island.

• 51:58Karen Kilgariff?

  Thank you. How about a crate of rum? Then I just started saying a Pirates of the Caribbean movie plotline. I bury the rum. No one knows it's there. I'm drunk. Eyeliner, black eyeliner. Big boots like Jack Sparrow.

• 52:11Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, perfect.

• 52:13Karen Kilgariff?

  Perfect.

• 52:14Georgia Hardstark?

  Um, let's see.

• 52:18Georgia Hardstark?

  Let's see. Let's see. I'm going to read the longest one. I don't know what it says. Ashley says, has reading slash covering a specific story made you change your behavior? For example, I compulsively lock my car after I get out thanks to a campus alert I received while in college about a man climbing into unlocked cars and waiting until people had driven off campus to sit up and carjack them.

• 52:40Karen Kilgariff?

  Yep. That's a horrifying story.

• 52:42Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. I think that I've, I was already paranoid to begin with, but I guess I've just gotten paranoider.

• 52:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 52:51Georgia Hardstark?

  You know?

• 52:51Karen Kilgariff?

  Well, you know, the thing, like we were talking about this the other night, but I think I'm just suspicious of people who seem like they've got, like there's nothing going on. Like those people who are like in a good mood all the time, like up positive and upbeat or whatever. I'm just like, you're not fucking fooling me.

• 53:09Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, so yeah, you think people are hiding shit more now.

• 53:11Karen Kilgariff?

  The more even keel and like well-adjusted you seem to be to me, because I don't believe people are really like that.

• 53:19Georgia Hardstark?

  So you must think I'm crazy then.

• 53:20Karen Kilgariff?

  No, I think, no, I think, I think you're the safest person

• 53:26Karen Kilgariff?

  there could be on this planet. No, it just, the veneer, like what's this big veneer for? Like the people, the people that are like, well, I do my CrossFit every morning and then I fucking do this and I do that. And there's no outer show that you are hurt, broken, affected or whatever, where it's like, oh, are you a sociopath?

• 53:46Georgia Hardstark?

  So people who won't show any vulnerability.

• 53:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, people who just, they've like, the outer presentation is perfection. I'm just, I don't buy it.

• 53:57Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. I like that. Okay, you go.

• 54:01Karen Kilgariff?

  Wait, did you answer?

• 54:02Georgia Hardstark?

  No, but I, I agree.

• 54:05Karen Kilgariff?

  Um, okay, how about this one? Rachel's asks, if you could have been a fly on the wall in the police station for any passport or investigation, which investigation would you choose and why?

• 54:17Georgia Hardstark?

  That's good. Well, of course I want to say East Area Rape is right up the bat. I think more so than the investigation, I want to be a fly on the wall for an interrogation. Like to me, that sounds so fun. And like when I watch them, I watch them on, you know, true crime shows. I am obsessed with that part and I want to watch the whole fucking thing.

• 54:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 54:37Georgia Hardstark?

  So, oh, I bet it was so fun to fucking interrogate Golden State Killer.

• 54:45Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah. I mean, I would absolutely, I know that's very like of the moment, but it really is just, I want to know everything that's going on and it drives me crazy that we don't get a direct line of like, well, this happened yesterday and this is this.

• 54:58Georgia Hardstark?

  I think I would also love actually, uh, Burke Ramsey's, uh, childhood, child psychologist interrogation.

• 55:08Karen Kilgariff?

  Nice one.

• 55:09Georgia Hardstark?

  That's like, there's a little bit of footage we can watch, but the, I want to fucking listen in on, on all of it. And I also want to be seated, seated next to a child psychologist who can tell me what's going on and why.

• 55:20Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 55:20Georgia Hardstark?

  Like he's saying this because of this. That is a bad sign right there. Like all that cranny.

• 55:25Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 55:25Georgia Hardstark?

  Crazy shit.

• 55:26Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, yeah. Where there's things that are indicators that you wouldn't necessarily know unless you're a real expert. I think that's also why I really, really did love Mindhunter so much, because any other thing that you could pick apart or have a complaint with, because that's all anyone does anymore is pick things apart. But I found it so satisfying that there was that moment where he was sitting there just having a chat with Ed Kemper and there was nothing in you that didn't totally believe that was Ed Kemper. That, and that's really what it is where I'm not, I don't like the celebrity of serial killers or whatever, but I am fascinated with what happens when a brain goes and when someone just is following their own crazy logic.

• 56:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 56:07Karen Kilgariff?

  To that degree.

• 56:07Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 56:08Karen Kilgariff?

  But they can actually tell you about it.

• 56:10Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 56:11Karen Kilgariff?

  But that's exactly the way I'd want to do it, where it's not really the real person.

• 56:14Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 56:15Karen Kilgariff?

  And it's, you know.

• 56:17Georgia Hardstark?

  You know that, um, our, our Ed Kemper, our actor friend.

• 56:21Karen Kilgariff?

  Our boy Ed Kemper.

• 56:22Georgia Hardstark?

  Ed Kemper, he's in Barry.

• 56:24Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 56:24Georgia Hardstark?

  TV show, which is so exciting.

• 56:27Karen Kilgariff?

  He's in it and the Yellow King from the first season of The True Detective.

• 56:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 56:32Karen Kilgariff?

  And that guy's an incredible actor.

• 56:34Georgia Hardstark?

  So good. That show, the fucking, the guy who plays the bald headed, the shaved headed, uh, gangster. Oh my God, I love him so much.

• 56:43Karen Kilgariff?

  He's such a fascinating faced person.

• 56:45Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 56:46Karen Kilgariff?

  But that Yellow King man, when he shows up anywhere, because he was that, he's been all these things where every time he shows up, you're like, hold on, I know that face.

• 56:55Georgia Hardstark?

  I didn't know Vince knew. He had to show me a photo from that show to be like, remember? I, I didn't remember.

• 57:00Karen Kilgariff?

  That's the thing where it's like, I wish people would save their, saying people are genius actors or whatever for shit like that. Where it's like, have they ever made you truly believe they were an entirely different person? Cause that's good acting.

• 57:12Georgia Hardstark?

  So good. Should we do one more? Do you want to keep going?

• 57:16Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, I think we can wrap this down.

• 57:18Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. If you could be on a jury, Sheila says, open back stairs are the most terrifying things ever, right?

• 57:26Karen Kilgariff?

  Open back stairs?

• 57:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. Like, I think like my stairs right here, where like someone can grab your ankle.

• 57:32Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, oh, on the ground. I was like, aren't they all open back?

• 57:38Karen Kilgariff?

  You mean like a slide that's covered? How would it not be open back?

• 57:43Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, so like, almost like seventies, modern stairs?

• 57:47Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 57:48Karen Kilgariff?

  Uh, yeah, I got.

• 57:50Georgia Hardstark?

  Sure. Julie wants to know, in which era of US history do you think it would be easiest to get away with a murder?

• 57:59Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, Wild West, right?

• 58:00Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. Or anytime, I'm always shocked at any time that they solve a murder, like before the 1930s.

• 58:07Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah. I mean, it was amazing how it was just like the murder, this, the crime scene would get discovered and immediately 17 reporters would be standing in the blood.

• 58:18Georgia Hardstark?

  And they would be chain smoking in it.

• 58:19Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah. And like spitting gum into, I mean, it's so crazy.

• 58:27Karen Kilgariff?

  I wonder what your answer would be to this, because I, this might not be a good area, but in case you do have an answer. Julie asks, what are your favorite fictional crime shows?

• 58:38Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, fictional? I did like Cold Case.

• 58:42Karen Kilgariff?

  Cold Case, the one with the blonde girl?

• 58:44Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 58:45Karen Kilgariff?

  With all the hair?

• 58:45Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. I don't watch that many of those. They're just not my thing. But of course, Law and Order is just like fucking epic and amazing.

• 58:51Karen Kilgariff?

  So good.

• 58:52Georgia Hardstark?

  What, what's yours? I like Killing Eve is out right now and I like that a lot.

• 58:57Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh yeah, I heard that's good.

• 58:58Georgia Hardstark?

  It's really, Sandra Oh is such a fucking badass.

• 59:00Karen Kilgariff?

  Someone said, I think it's Emily Nussbaum, who is a reporter for, I think the New York Times, but I follow her on Twitter. And she was like, she was raving about that show. She was like, I love it. It's making me so happy.

• 59:14Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, it's good.

• 59:16Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, I definitely grew up and like, Law and Order kept me alive when I used to have to do the road. Because I would go and have these, I mean, horrific nights of just terrible eating it in like one-nighters and terrible bars and like just bad shit where I was like, I didn't want to be there. They didn't want me there. Everything about it was like not fun, which I lost the point entirely of like, this is what, you're supposed to be just having fun with people. But it was awful. And then I would go back to my hotel room and just lock the door, turn the lights off, turn the TV on, get room service and watch Law and Order. And it was like taking a hot bath. It was my hot bath.

• 59:57Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 59:57Karen Kilgariff?

  And I, it began to, then it, I realized it was on all the time and everywhere. And I could have that hot bath feeling whenever I wanted.

• 1:00:04Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:04Karen Kilgariff?

  And Sam Waterston is the OG, like something about that guy.

• 1:00:09Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:09Karen Kilgariff?

  I, like, I love the, the subtle storyline that he's kind of always fucking the female DA that works with him. There's, there's always some weird, like they're not overt, but like one time they'll say one thing about how he's having an affair with this person, except for not Angie Harmon. She was way too hot for Sam Waterston.

• 1:00:30Georgia Hardstark?

  I love it. That's, that's good.

• 1:00:35Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay, we are back and we're here to talk escape rooms. I think it's really important to give people an honest escape room update. It's now 2026. This was recorded in 2018. You've had all this time. Have you gone to an escape room?

• 1:00:52Georgia Hardstark?

  We've given you so much fucking time.

• 1:00:55Karen Kilgariff?

  Eight years.

• 1:00:56Georgia Hardstark?

  I'm sorry. I've been busy protesting and fucking fighting the man. So if you could, no, I have not. Have you?

• 1:01:06Karen Kilgariff?

  Me either. No, no, I can't. I think over the years, even the curiosity has waned. And now I don't, I don't care how they work and I don't care the kind of fun you could get up to inside. And it makes me simply tired and/or anxious to think about being inside one.

• 1:01:24Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, like I can't hang out in a red light therapy fucking machine for 10 minutes. How am I gonna go in a room that's locked? And that's not even good for me. You know what I mean?

• 1:01:33Karen Kilgariff?

  That's right.

• 1:01:35Georgia Hardstark?

  I'm not getting anything out of this, but feeling stupid.

• 1:01:38Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, you would feel stupid. Would you go though, if it were red light therapy all in the room as you were trying to solve?

• 1:01:46Georgia Hardstark?

  Actually, yes. That would be a really great way to get me to do something.

• 1:01:51Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, now we're getting things done. Now we're, what do you call it, multitasking.

• 1:01:55Georgia Hardstark?

  College now has red light therapy in all of its classes. Oh, wow.

• 1:02:00Karen Kilgariff?

  If there's serums, as you solve every clue, you get another serum to layer on your skin.

• 1:02:05Georgia Hardstark?

  Totally. So I would do it for that. Are Corn Pops still, the people want to know, are Corn Pops still your favorite cereal?

• 1:02:12Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes, although I will say this, and I am so screwed up right now from jet lag that I don't know.

• 1:02:17Georgia Hardstark?

  I can tell. You yawned. And I said to myself, I don't think I've actually ever seen you yawn. Like, I know you're tired, but I'm like, you know, you've been tired. I don't think I've ever seen you yawn.

• 1:02:29Karen Kilgariff?

  You know what it is? Because I normally, I'm a professional, I save it for my private time. But I'm in that, I'm in like a weird zone where I don't know what time of day it is and what's going on. But I, today I was like, I'm hungry. Like, there was nothing I could do about it. And then I just ate like three bowls of cereal in a row. And it was

• 1:02:46Georgia Hardstark?

  Nice.

• 1:02:47Karen Kilgariff?

  Raisin Bran Crunch. And it was so good.

• 1:02:50Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, yeah.

• 1:02:51Karen Kilgariff?

  Is that just me in a weird spot?

• 1:02:53Georgia Hardstark?

  Maybe. It's good. It's close to what mine is, Raisin Nut Bran. Oh, you know, I think I told you recently, they make peanut butter checks now too. Yeah.

• 1:03:03Karen Kilgariff?

  You did tell me that and I forgot. Maybe that's

• 1:03:05Georgia Hardstark?

  That's all I talk about these days.

• 1:03:07Karen Kilgariff?

  What if we, what if we have a fan cult video where you just eat cereal really loud? And it'll be my sister's nightmare.

• 1:03:15Georgia Hardstark?

  Out of giant bowls with giant spoons. Okay.

• 1:03:17Karen Kilgariff?

  And be like, it's good. I do like it. It's good.

• 1:03:21Georgia Hardstark?

  Any other updates?

• 1:03:22Karen Kilgariff?

  When's the last time you've been to Tam O Shanter?

• 1:03:24Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, it's been a while. Like, what's the point of going if I can't have a martini? You know what I mean?

• 1:03:29Karen Kilgariff?

  You can feel the old alcoholism in the wood.

• 1:03:33Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh.

• 1:03:33Karen Kilgariff?

  In that place.

• 1:03:34Georgia Hardstark?

  Like, the bartenders are like leading their AA meetings, for sure.

• 1:03:40Karen Kilgariff?

  You know what? The reason to do it though, is that beautiful freshly roasted turkey. Cause hard to get your hands on these days.

• 1:03:48Georgia Hardstark?

  But they don't have the carving station anymore. Do you know that?

• 1:03:50Karen Kilgariff?

  No, why?

• 1:03:51Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, post pandemic, they just don't do that anymore.

• 1:03:55Karen Kilgariff?

  I need to see them cut that turkey.

• 1:03:57Georgia Hardstark?

  Totally. And now, I think we'd go now, because like, we were talking about going for Christmas, and then Vince wants to go to the Smokehouse instead.

• 1:04:07Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, yeah. That's a little bit more of a, it's, there's more action at the Smokehouse.

• 1:04:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, but I do love a seat at the bar at the Tam O Shanter with a fucking cold ass martini.

• 1:04:18Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Man, and some corned beef.

• 1:04:21Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah. It sounds like you used to be like a, an executive from Xerox, where you're just like, you know, get that cold beef at one o'clock in the afternoon.

• 1:04:30Georgia Hardstark?

  Those were the days.

• 1:04:32Karen Kilgariff?

  Six martinis and drive home. That used to be how it worked.

• 1:04:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, God. Okay. Frances McDormand and the Olsen Twins. Pretty great.

• 1:04:40Karen Kilgariff?

  The Olsen Twins is such a good answer for who's gonna play you.

• 1:04:44Georgia Hardstark?

  I could, I could not in a million years have guessed that I said that. Like, not in a million years.

• 1:04:50Karen Kilgariff?

  So funny. Uh, there is a, there is a part of this, and it took me a really long time to realize it. We just have old conversations recorded. Like, that's a really funny thing of just like ourselves from 10 years ago.

• 1:05:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Totally, totally. All right. Well, let's get into listener questions for Steven.

• 1:05:09Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh.

• 1:05:10Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, I love this.

• 1:05:17Georgia Hardstark?

  October is the month when being scared is supposed to be fun.

• 1:05:20Karen Kilgariff?

  Terrified in a haunted house? Sure. Your actual house? Absolutely not.

• 1:05:24Georgia Hardstark?

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• 1:05:26Karen Kilgariff?

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• 1:05:30Georgia Hardstark?

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• 1:05:43Karen Kilgariff?

  No.

• 1:05:44Georgia Hardstark?

  Which was terrifying in itself, but such a relief. And I love that I know that it works. You know what I mean? Like, it's so much better a spider than an actual person, but I'll be prepared.

• 1:05:53Karen Kilgariff?

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• 1:05:58Georgia Hardstark?

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• 1:06:01Karen Kilgariff?

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• 1:06:07Georgia Hardstark?

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• 1:06:09Karen Kilgariff?

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• 1:06:15Georgia Hardstark?

  SimpliSafe, ahead of crime in real time. Goodbye.

• 1:06:19Karen Kilgariff?

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• 1:06:21Georgia Hardstark?

  Magnesium.

• 1:06:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Like the kind that's in Dr. Teal's magnesium spray.

• 1:06:25Georgia Hardstark?

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• 1:06:35Karen Kilgariff?

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• 1:06:46Georgia Hardstark?

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• 1:06:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Just shake it up and generously spritz onto the soles of your feet and massage until absorbed.

• 1:06:54Georgia Hardstark?

  I was kind of blown away the first time I used this spray, because I do have problems sleeping. And when there's something this simple, you just spray it on your feet and suddenly you're asleep and the next morning you're like, wait, what happened? Did my problem just get solved? Like, it actually is that easy.

• 1:07:09Karen Kilgariff?

  And your stinky feet now smell like lavender. Like, what more do you want?

• 1:07:12Georgia Hardstark?

  How dare you call my feet stinky?

• 1:07:15Karen Kilgariff?

  For wellness, you can feel fine Dr. Teal's magnesium spray online or in your local bath aisle. Goodbye.

• 1:07:21Georgia Hardstark?

  Between work, school, family obligations, and the endless Halloween hustle, it often feels like there's never a good time to slow down. The costumes, the parties, the planning, it all adds up. But no matter how busy life gets, even a small break can help us recharge, reset, and actually enjoy the moment we're in. Because breaks don't have to be big to matter. They can be the 15 minutes in your car before pickup, or the two minutes while your little pumpkin ties his shoes. The pause between one task and the next, when you finally get a second to yourself. Kit Kat gives people permission to take the break they've earned, and make it a better break, a real break. Because when you stop, even briefly, you don't fall behind. You come back a little lighter, a little clearer,

• 1:08:03Georgia Hardstark?

  a little more ready for whatever's next. While the world tells us to keep going, Kit Kat reminds us that the best time for a break is now. Have a break, have a Kit Kat. Goodbye.

• 1:08:15Karen Kilgariff?

  Do you think we've done it?

• 1:08:15Georgia Hardstark?

  I think we did.

• 1:08:16Karen Kilgariff?

  Was that long enough?

• 1:08:18Speaker 02

  It was about an hour. Well, sorry. It's about an hour.

• 1:08:21Karen Kilgariff?

  All right. It was long enough that Steven's voice shut down.

• 1:08:24Georgia Hardstark?

  Steven lost his voice.

• 1:08:25Karen Kilgariff?

  Should we ask Steven a couple questions?

• 1:08:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes, here, let me find one. Steven Penner Pencil?

• 1:08:30Speaker 02

  Uh oh.

• 1:08:31Georgia Hardstark?

  Let me ask you who that's from. Tell you, Brianna wants to know, do you prefer using pen or pencil?

• 1:08:36Speaker 02

  Uh, pen.

• 1:08:38Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay. And then

• 1:08:39Karen Kilgariff?

  Good one, Brianna.

• 1:08:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, wait.

• 1:08:42Speaker 02

  Just because I write weird and so I smudge. And so if you have a pencil

• 1:08:45Georgia Hardstark?

  What's the side of your hand?

• 1:08:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:46Georgia Hardstark?

  What about Steven? What?

• 1:08:49Karen Kilgariff?

  Steven!

• 1:08:49Georgia Hardstark?

  Steven. Kate wants to know what your death row meal, your death sentence meal would be.

• 1:08:56Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, that's a good one. Let's all say ours.

• 1:08:58Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 1:09:01Speaker 02

  Cause I feel like it's guilty pleasure, right? You need to go out on a high note. I feel like

• 1:09:05Karen Kilgariff?

  It's your last anything you get to eat on the planet.

• 1:09:07Georgia Hardstark?

  Comfort food, like the thing that makes you happy. I think I already said mine is cheese plate, corn dogs.

• 1:09:12Karen Kilgariff?

  Double date. Sticking with your Cleveland meal?

• 1:09:14Georgia Hardstark?

  Sticking with it and champagne.

• 1:09:16Speaker 02

  Kraft macaroni and cheese.

• 1:09:17Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes.

• 1:09:18Speaker 02

  With hot dogs.

• 1:09:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow.

• 1:09:20Speaker 02

  Pepper on top and ketchup.

• 1:09:23Georgia Hardstark?

  Nice. That sounds disgusting.

• 1:09:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, just that. Just be like a big bowl.

• 1:09:28Karen Kilgariff?

  Almost like a mac and cheese hot dog casserole.

• 1:09:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, like the whole box of Kraft, like not just half of it.

• 1:09:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, not a scoop.

• 1:09:36Karen Kilgariff?

  You're not splitting. It's not splitsies. You get all of it.

• 1:09:38Georgia Hardstark?

  And you put pepper, like ground pepper on top of it?

• 1:09:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Over the, so it's got a nice little

• 1:09:44Karen Kilgariff?

  That sounds disgusting and I want it immediately. And what kind of hot sauce?

• 1:09:47Speaker 02

  Oh, no, just straight up ketchup, just straight up Heinz ketchup.

• 1:09:51Karen Kilgariff?

  Mixed in it?

• 1:09:52Speaker 02

  With macaroni and cheese.

• 1:09:53Karen Kilgariff?

  Stephen, were you abandoned in a children's cafeteria?

• 1:09:58Karen Kilgariff?

  When you were eight years old? Do you want to high C with that?

• 1:10:00Speaker 02

  It just reminds me of like, it just reminds me of when my mom was like, I don't want to cook. I've been working nine to five and I have to pick you up from daycare and like, I'm just going to throw that craft in the, in the thing. You heat it for like five minutes, it feels like.

• 1:10:15Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, delicious.

• 1:10:16Speaker 02

  Mix it with the cheese.

• 1:10:17Karen Kilgariff?

  Fucking love it. Like they never go, honey, we eat this. It's just like, they eat it all.

• 1:10:21Georgia Hardstark?

  Hot dogs for protein-ish.

• 1:10:23Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:23Georgia Hardstark?

  Extra sodium.

• 1:10:24Karen Kilgariff?

  Hot dogs for nitrates.

• 1:10:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Then if we're doing, if we're doing childhood loves, then I want, I want to change mine to cornmeal pancakes for dinner.

• 1:10:32Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh.

• 1:10:33Georgia Hardstark?

  And.

• 1:10:34Karen Kilgariff?

  Who did that? Janet or Marty?

• 1:10:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Janet. Pancakes for dinner. We like, didn't know we were poor. It's like the most exciting thing.

• 1:10:40Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, that's fun time.

• 1:10:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. What's yours, Karen?

• 1:10:43Karen Kilgariff?

  Well, if we're going to do childhood, then it's overcooked chicken breast. Oh, because my mother always was like, oh, oh, pull that chicken out of the oven. She was like, always forgot it was in there. So overcooked chicken breast, minute rice and a frozen corn that's been.

• 1:11:02Georgia Hardstark?

  That's good.

• 1:11:02Karen Kilgariff?

  And then just like Stephen's saying, I think the seasoning is kind of key because that's when all the food my mom made was so bland that you'd be like, no, you know what? I will try some pepper. Like I know, I'm only 10, but let's get some.

• 1:11:15Georgia Hardstark?

  But Lowry's seasoning salt is actually great.

• 1:11:18Karen Kilgariff?

  Look at onion salt we could use. There's all kinds of things.

• 1:11:20Georgia Hardstark?

  What about Stouffer's French bread pizzas then? Can we go there?

• 1:11:24Karen Kilgariff?

  My parents wouldn't buy shit like that.

• 1:11:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Well, I eat it as an adult though.

• 1:11:27Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, then yes, we can go there. I feel like Vince made us one of those one time after we were recording for a long time.

• 1:11:33Georgia Hardstark?

  No, that was like a tombstone, something or other.

• 1:11:37Karen Kilgariff?

  It was good.

• 1:11:37Georgia Hardstark?

  It was fucking good.

• 1:11:39Karen Kilgariff?

  Like coming downstairs, and I think this is the other thing, because we, this got pulled out of the equation kind of early where my mom would be like, well, make it yourself. She was the queen of make it yourself. So anytime someone's like, I whipped up this thing for you. I like, I just, the concept of it makes me like, oh, this is the best thing ever.

• 1:11:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Like even when you're dating someone, they're like, let me make you dinner.

• 1:11:59Karen Kilgariff?

  Never fucking happened. I can't remember one person that cooked that I knew.

• 1:12:04Georgia Hardstark?

  Are you serious? I just gave Stephen a look of like, Stephen, we need to help her.

• 1:12:09Karen Kilgariff?

  I, just in this Q and A show alone, I realize that I have a bad picker. I just can't pick them at all.

• 1:12:18Georgia Hardstark?

  All right. Well, Stephen and I are going to pick someone for you.

• 1:12:20Karen Kilgariff?

  It's just because I always date bodybuilders.

• 1:12:23Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, stop it. You're complaining about people who don't want dessert and then you're dating a bodybuilder?

• 1:12:28Karen Kilgariff?

  I'm not. I'm totally joking. Like I'm trying to figure out why the fuck.

• 1:12:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, I get it.

• 1:12:33Karen Kilgariff?

  What am I, what am I doing?

• 1:12:35Georgia Hardstark?

  He would boil a fucking chicken breast for you.

• 1:12:37Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, one would hope. Some rice pilaf and a bunch of broccoli.

• 1:12:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Rice pilaf and broccoli.

• 1:12:42Karen Kilgariff?

  What about that rice pilaf that has the weird almonds in it? Where you're like, are these almonds manmade?

• 1:12:47Georgia Hardstark?

  Dude, I love that shit.

• 1:12:48Karen Kilgariff?

  They're good.

• 1:12:49Georgia Hardstark?

  I'm hungry. Should I get food?

• 1:12:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:51Georgia Hardstark?

  All right.

• 1:12:51Karen Kilgariff?

  Let's do it.

• 1:12:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay. Okay, we're back.

• 1:12:59Karen Kilgariff?

  I don't know why that was so funny. Okay.

• 1:13:02Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 1:13:02Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay.

• 1:13:04Georgia Hardstark?

  I don't know why. Um, all right. Should we, should we wrap things up? Clomp everywhere is just great. I love the word Clomp.

• 1:13:12Karen Kilgariff?

  Clomp is perfect. I love the fact that we talked about death row meals for so long in this conversation.

• 1:13:21Georgia Hardstark?

  Inappropriate.

• 1:13:22Karen Kilgariff?

  It, well, but, but this is a like icebreaker conversation that people have and we will not be going down for that because that's what everyone talks about.

• 1:13:32Georgia Hardstark?

  All right. But if we were naming this episode today, based on some of the shit we said.

• 1:13:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Hard to beat Clomp everywhere, but we could do the clock as aliens, which was very high concept for this episode.

• 1:13:45Georgia Hardstark?

  Thank you. Uh, we could do so much cuteness available. Love that.

• 1:13:53Karen Kilgariff?

  Of course, the staunchest paleoist. A lot of good ones in this.

• 1:13:58Georgia Hardstark?

  And then of course, both Olsen twins.

• 1:13:59Karen Kilgariff?

  Both Olsen twins, I think is the, the clear second place to Clomp everywhere.

• 1:14:05Georgia Hardstark?

  Do you think that an Olsen twin has ever listened to an episode of this podcast?

• 1:14:09Karen Kilgariff?

  God, I'd be honored.

• 1:14:10Georgia Hardstark?

  I know, me too.

• 1:14:11Karen Kilgariff?

  Such legends and just passionate smokers.

• 1:14:16Georgia Hardstark?

  Pros, legends, smokers.

• 1:14:18Karen Kilgariff?

  What more do you want? They've seen it all. They've done it all. Well, and a perfect ending for this episode, this week's episode of Rewind.

• 1:14:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Let's say goodbye to Mary-Kate and Ashley in 2018.

• 1:14:33Georgia Hardstark?

  Thanks for listening to this fucking weird Q and A. We'll be back home in the US of A next week.

• 1:14:38Karen Kilgariff?

  We'll be back on brand when our big tour is over.

• 1:14:42Georgia Hardstark?

  That's right.

• 1:14:43Karen Kilgariff?

  So thanks for listening. Stay sexy.

• 1:14:44Georgia Hardstark?

  And don't get murdered.

• 1:14:45Karen Kilgariff?

  A goodbye.

• 1:14:47Georgia Hardstark?

  Hey Elvis, you want a cookie?

• 1:14:51Georgia Hardstark?

  He's like, you guys have been making me hungry this whole fucking time.

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• 1:15:24Georgia Hardstark?

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• 1:15:26Karen Kilgariff?

  Like the kind that's in Dr. Teal's magnesium spray.

• 1:15:29Georgia Hardstark?

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• 1:15:35Karen Kilgariff?

  If you need a reset after your day, make Dr. Teal's magnesium spray part of your nighttime routine.

• 1:15:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Generously spritz each foot before bed and you'll be all set. I've actually started doing this and I'm obsessed with magnesium. It does everything.

• 1:15:47Karen Kilgariff?

  Something like this is just like, it's simple, it's easy, and it actually works.

• 1:15:50Georgia Hardstark?

  Totally. For wellness, you can feel fine. Dr. Teal's magnesium spray online or in your local bath aisle.

• 1:15:56Karen Kilgariff?

  Goodbye.

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• 1:16:02Karen Kilgariff?

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• 1:16:08Georgia Hardstark?

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• 1:16:12Karen Kilgariff?

  And we got to get some of these clogs. I couldn't believe how cute and comfortable these Reef clogs were. They have the arch support. They have the height. They give you a little bit of height, but they're kind of simple. Check out the clogs on reef.com and redeem 15% off your first purchase. Goodbye.