Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 123: Live at Vicar Street in Dublin

It's time to Rewind with Karen & Georgia! This week, K & G recap Episode 123: Live at Vicar Street in Dublin. Georgia discussed Colin Whelan and the murder of Mary Gough and Karen covered the Stoneybatter Strangler. Tune in for all-new commentary, case updates and more! Whether you've listened a thousand times or you're new to the show, join the conversation as we look back on our old episodes and discuss the life lessons we’ve learned along the way. Head to social media to share your favorite moments from this episode! Instagram: instagram.com/myfavoritemurder http://instagram.com/myfavoritemurder Facebook: facebook.com/myfavoritemurder http://facebook.com/myfavoritemurder TikTok: tiktok.com/@my_favorite_murder http://tiktok.com/@my_favorite_murder Now with updated sources and photos: https://www.myfavoritemurder.com/episodes My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. The Exactly Right podcast network provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics, including true crime, comedy, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more. For our sources, please visit https://www.myfavoritemurder.com/episodes. Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3UFCn1g. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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  For this week's Rewind, we're skipping episode 122 and jumping straight into 123. Former contributors were part of the network at the time that episode aired, and we're choosing not to platform them in any way moving forward. Thank you for understanding.

• 1:41Karen Kilgariff?

  Hello. And welcome.

• 1:44Georgia Hardstark?

  To Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

• 1:46Karen Kilgariff?

  This is the show where we step into the past through our old episodes and emerge from the other side with brand-new feelings and case updates and more.

• 1:54Georgia Hardstark?

  Today, we're rewinding to episode 123, which we named "Live at Vicar Street" in Dublin from the first night of our European tour.

• 2:03Karen Kilgariff?

  This episode originally came out May 31, 2018.

• 2:08Georgia Hardstark?

  So let's listen to the intro of episode 123.

• 2:44Karen Kilgariff?

  Hey, what's up, Dublin?

• 2:51Georgia Hardstark?

  It sounded like you were saying something else than "What's up, Dublin?" Just now, so I was like...

• 2:54Karen Kilgariff?

  I was gonna kick off my own thing.

• 2:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 2:56Karen Kilgariff?

  Tonight's the night.

• 2:57Georgia Hardstark?

  So I paused.

• 2:59Karen Kilgariff?

  I start speaking Gaelic to everybody. Ah! You didn't know.

• 3:04Georgia Hardstark?

  This is so cool. This is the first show of our big tour over.

• 3:07Karen Kilgariff?

  Our European tour.

• 3:14Georgia Hardstark?

  Of which you are not the UK, and I know that.

• 3:16Karen Kilgariff?

  We're not. We're not. You have nothing to do with it.

• 3:19Georgia Hardstark?

  I know that.

• 3:20Karen Kilgariff?

  Fucking totally separate place.

• 3:23Karen Kilgariff?

  We knew it. We all knew it.

• 3:25Georgia Hardstark?

  We knew it. Whoever was posting on my Instagram yesterday was fucking lying.

• 3:31Karen Kilgariff?

  Someone broke into your Instagram and started posting, like, rumors that you think Ireland's in the UK? That's so embarrassing.

• 3:38Georgia Hardstark?

  I mean, can I, do I have to say it?

• 3:41Karen Kilgariff?

  Fire Steven?

• 3:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Steven!

• 3:45Georgia Hardstark?

  Out!

• 3:48Karen Kilgariff?

  He's not here.

• 3:50Georgia Hardstark?

  Nope. He's not in his usual spot.

• 3:52Karen Kilgariff?

  Nope.

• 3:54Georgia Hardstark?

  That means no. Listen, the cats aren't gonna take care of themselves.

• 3:56Karen Kilgariff?

  That's right. Well, and also, there's no fucking way we're paying for Steven's ticket to Europe. Fuck you, bro.

• 4:05Karen Kilgariff?

  He knows.

• 4:08Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, man.

• 4:10Karen Kilgariff?

  I know. Sorry, we haven't done a live show in a while. This is insanely exciting. And it really is.

• 4:19Karen Kilgariff?

  Also, I, I don't even know what my sleep pattern is right now, because I stayed up till 5:00 in the morning last night, and then woke up at, like, almost 1:00 PM.

• 4:33Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. And then 20 minutes later, I texted you, you texted me, you just woke up 20 minutes later. I was like, "I just woke up. I beat you."

• 4:39Karen Kilgariff?

  We don't know where we are. It's crazy, guys. It's a whole day. This is interesting, isn't it?

• 4:48Georgia Hardstark?

  The last time we did a show was in Los Angeles, where we live, so it was all our friends. You live there, too?

• 4:55Georgia Hardstark?

  So it was all my family.

• 4:56Karen Kilgariff?

  What's interesting is Los Angeles is a part of the UK, and that's the thing. It seems like a lot of people don't understand, so that's our message on the European tour is to really get the word about LA.

• 5:07Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 5:08Karen Kilgariff?

  It's being connected to.

• 5:09Georgia Hardstark?

  We've started a GoFundMe.

• 5:11Karen Kilgariff?

  Supportant work.

• 5:12Georgia Hardstark?

  Mm-hmm. It is. Oh, can you talk about all the people coming to your hotel room? Just what we found out about.

• 5:20Karen Kilgariff?

  Well, we stayed indoors, because, you know, when we go on trips like this, big tours where we have shows right in a row, every single day right in a row, we like to save up all the work we're supposed to do and then just do it at the hotel like the day before.

• 5:33Georgia Hardstark?

  In a panic. It's really fun.

• 5:35Karen Kilgariff?

  It's best for storytelling.

• 5:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 5:38Karen Kilgariff?

  Just to create the pressure. So, well, the first experience I had was, I don't know if you guys are aware, but it's quite hot here in Dublin.

• 5:49Georgia Hardstark?

  Today. Thanks for, thanks for the weather, you guys.

• 5:52Karen Kilgariff?

  I brought all kinds of cashmere sweaters and layers and rain gear. I was ready to look like fucking Paddington Bear, and instead, it's like, what the fuck?

• 6:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 6:05Karen Kilgariff?

  So when I got into my hotel room, it was, I don't know how you guys do it, 14 degrees, whatever the fuck, however you do it.

• 6:12Georgia Hardstark?

  I mean, higher is hotter.

• 6:13Karen Kilgariff?

  Well, it was like, to us, it was 90. But, so I'm just standing there, and I think, you know, hotel thermostats are, they're just a plastic thing on the wall that they give you to press.

• 6:25Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 6:25Karen Kilgariff?

  To make you feel like you have control over your environment, which you do not.

• 6:29Georgia Hardstark?

  Mm-mm.

• 6:30Karen Kilgariff?

  So I stood there pressing and pressing, where I was like, I'm just too, this is too hot, and I can't just sit in a hot room with jet lag. And so I called down, and I was like, "Sorry, can somebody come up here and fix this thermostat?" And they're like, "We'll send someone."

• 6:43Georgia Hardstark?

  I love "fix it," because it's not, it's broken.

• 6:45Karen Kilgariff?

  It's totally broken. It's not me.

• 6:46Georgia Hardstark?

  I did the same thing. "Vince, it's broken! Fix it."

• 6:49Karen Kilgariff?

  Not user error at all. So, quick, pretty soon after, someone knocks the door, I open the door. It looks like a younger, hotter MMA Gerard Butler. I was like, "What? What? What? I have no relatives that look like you. What the fuck is going on? I was not ready."

• 7:10Georgia Hardstark?

  A bonus is that you, it was just when you got there, so like, if they had come today, like, all your shit, like, my whole room is a fucking pigsty by like, you know, 24 hours after I'm in there.

• 7:21Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah. No, I was, I looked very tidy, well, my things looked very tidy, but I clearly have been traveling for 12 hours, so I was kind of like, "Ew." "Hi," trying to turn to the side, you know, like, "Come on in, suck, suck, suck."

• 7:37Karen Kilgariff?

  And he, of course, goes over to the fucking thermostat, and he presses one button, and it kicks on immediately, or it's just like, "Fine, it was a trick to get you in here. Fine, you might as well stay."

• 7:50Karen Kilgariff?

  And, but this was my favorite, and I've never heard this slang before. When he went to leave, he goes, "If there's any other drama, just call me up." And I was just like...

• 7:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Drama?

• 7:59Karen Kilgariff?

  I wasn't being dramatic. It was really hot. It was really fucking hot.

• 8:05Georgia Hardstark?

  Fair, I get it.

• 8:06Karen Kilgariff?

  But then, I turned the TV on, and I kind of couldn't make it go. I'm like, "I should fucking call that guy."

• 8:12Karen Kilgariff?

  This TV's totally dramat- dramat- dramaticing me.

• 8:16Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 8:16Karen Kilgariff?

  Fix it.

• 8:19Georgia Hardstark?

  European tour kickoff. Hey, what are you wearing?

• 8:23Karen Kilgariff?

  She's already looking at the notes. What are we, what the?

• 8:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Well, I'm sweating. Here's the problem. I'm sweating, and I forgot to bring deodorant on this trip with me, so I'm wearing Vince's deodorant, so I'm gonna smell like a fucking dude.

• 8:34Karen Kilgariff?

  Let's do it.

• 8:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, yeah.

• 8:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Smell that?

• 8:38Karen Kilgariff?

  That smells like going to a dance, like, dancing with a guy that's in junior high.

• 8:42Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. When was the last time you did that?

• 8:45Karen Kilgariff?

  Some kind of nerve. It's been a while. But I miss it. I miss it terribly.

• 8:50Georgia Hardstark?

  It's kind of better than mine, though, because it's like, clear and stuff, so I'm not getting like, those, you know.

• 8:54Karen Kilgariff?

  Cancers?

• 8:55Georgia Hardstark?

  Guys have everything better.

• 8:58Karen Kilgariff?

  You're so obsessed with going to Boots and getting some kind of, like, uh...

• 9:05Georgia Hardstark?

  Boots?

• 9:06Karen Kilgariff?

  I can't, that was such a weird...

• 9:08Georgia Hardstark?

  You're just yelling "Boots" back at us.

• 9:11Karen Kilgariff?

  And in a way that we can't tell if you like it or you fucking hate it.

• 9:14Georgia Hardstark?

  You're like, "Yes, Boots!"

• 9:16Karen Kilgariff?

  "Don't wear boots! Don't go there!"

• 9:18Georgia Hardstark?

  Somehow, we're saying the word, the B-O-O-T-S word, wrong. Boots. You tell us.

• 9:24Karen Kilgariff?

  How are we mispronouncing?

• 9:26Georgia Hardstark?

  She doesn't know. Nobody knows. Nobody knows!

• 9:29Karen Kilgariff?

  We're not mispronouncing fucking boots. That I know. That I know.

• 9:38Karen Kilgariff?

  I'm so mad already. This show just started.

• 9:41Georgia Hardstark?

  I'm way out of here.

• 9:45Karen Kilgariff?

  Boots.

• 9:47Georgia Hardstark?

  You were gonna pick one person to be the translator.

• 9:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, yes, that's right. Is there anybody that's from Dublin that's sitting near the front?

• 9:53Georgia Hardstark?

  I think they look, okay.

• 9:55Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay. Are you suspicious in any way?

• 9:59Georgia Hardstark?

  We're not gonna make fun of you.

• 10:00Karen Kilgariff?

  What's your name? Emily. It's Emily. So, as this show goes, thanks, lighting guy, as this show goes on, when we mispronounce things, or we don't know what we're talking about, or we say something and we're totally wrong, Emily, you just throw a hand up, would you please? And then we'll come and consult with you. Okay.

• 10:22Georgia Hardstark?

  I think we didn't need to do this every show. They already, she already has her hand up. Man, she's gonna get so tired, her arm's gonna get carpal tunnel.

• 10:30Karen Kilgariff?

  My sister has something. I'm your sister. It's not Gaelic. It's Gaelic.

• 10:36Georgia Hardstark?

  Gaelic?

• 10:37Karen Kilgariff?

  I fucking said Gaelic. You know what? You're out. You're both out.

• 10:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, that sister shit. Okay, here we go.

• 10:43Karen Kilgariff?

  What's your name?

• 10:45Georgia Hardstark?

  Louise.

• 10:47Karen Kilgariff?

  Do you think that I said Gaelic or Gaelic? No, you said Gaelic. I fucking said Gaelic, Emily's sister. I said Gaelic.

• 10:54Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, shit.

• 10:55Karen Kilgariff?

  She's been drinking since three.

• 10:57Georgia Hardstark?

  Can we get these two escorted out, please?

• 11:00Karen Kilgariff?

  Immediately kicked out of the show you've been waiting to see. Sorry. Sorry, wait, tell me your name again? Louise. It's Louise.

• 11:10Georgia Hardstark?

  Great.

• 11:12Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, one of us.

• 11:12Georgia Hardstark?

  Well, I want to go to a store and buy a bunch of shit, basically, is what we're trying to say. It's a store named Boots. Pennies. It's gonna be pennies.

• 11:20Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, you're...

• 11:24Karen Kilgariff?

  JC Penney's? We have that. Pennies is better than Boots?

• 11:32Karen Kilgariff?

  Louise?

• 11:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, man.

• 11:34Karen Kilgariff?

  Pennies is the shit. Louise says pennies is good, Emily, so...

• 11:40Karen Kilgariff?

  That's what we're going with.

• 11:41Georgia Hardstark?

  We were, I feel horrible right now because we were at a, we were at a bar that's for tourists last night, which we didn't know until we were there. It's the oldest bar in, you know, fucking the world.

• 11:52Karen Kilgariff?

  The Brazen Head. It's wonderful.

• 11:56Georgia Hardstark?

  And it was great. And, but we heard the loudest American person at the bar. And we were just like, fuck.

• 12:02Karen Kilgariff?

  She's here right now, I'm telling you.

• 12:04Georgia Hardstark?

  Don't say where she's from.

• 12:05Karen Kilgariff?

  It was a, I, it was a girl, like, we get seated and we're eating, and then all this, and we hear like, and I turned to Vince and Georgia, I was like, is she a fucking opera singer? Her voice is filling this room. But it was like, I actually don't really, I mean, it...

• 12:24Georgia Hardstark?

  I'm actually here from whatever town she's from. Yeah. And I think it's really amazing.

• 12:29Karen Kilgariff?

  Where I'm like, so amazing you have to scream at the top of your lungs?

• 12:33Georgia Hardstark?

  And she's telling this dude who clearly has no fucking interest in it, like, about her flight and about, like, no one cares how long it took you to get anywhere. Just FYI.

• 12:43Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, if you're gonna be boring, please whisper. That's, Americans, Americans. We're not...

• 12:51Karen Kilgariff?

  Listen.

• 12:51Georgia Hardstark?

  Because a whisper for us is a, like, this is a whisper for us.

• 12:54Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 12:55Georgia Hardstark?

  Whispering, whispering for everybody else is, is normal talking.

• 12:59Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 12:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, for whispering for us. That's normal talking for the rest of the world.

• 13:05Georgia Hardstark?

  We also, there's also someone here either tonight or will be here tomorrow night, who, when we went through, customs.

• 13:12Karen Kilgariff?

  Did we go through customs?

• 13:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, shit. Was, he was like, he was this great little guy and he, not a little guy.

• 13:18Karen Kilgariff?

  He wasn't little.

• 13:18Georgia Hardstark?

  He was fine. He was like a normal-sized person.

• 13:19Karen Kilgariff?

  He was just a normal guy.

• 13:20Georgia Hardstark?

  Cute, cute fellow. And he was like, you know, what are you here, you do it in your accent?

• 13:27Karen Kilgariff?

  I can't, don't make me do the accent in front of

• 13:29Georgia Hardstark?

  I think it's good.

• 13:30Karen Kilgariff?

  People who actually have the accent.

• 13:32Georgia Hardstark?

  I think it's good. But I also told her that she can't do it unless she also is fake drunk.

• 13:38Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, that's right. But I can't accuse the customs guy of being fake drunk at work. That's dangerous government shit.

• 13:45Karen Kilgariff?

  But he basically said, "What's the purpose of your visit?" Something like that? How's that?

• 13:51Georgia Hardstark?

  And then we were like, we're here for, because it's so hard to tell people, like, we're here for a show. We're doing comedy show.

• 13:55Karen Kilgariff?

  We're doing a live podcast.

• 13:56Georgia Hardstark?

  You don't want to tell a guy who's like, letting us in the country or not, or that we're doing a murder thing?

• 14:00Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah. Well, it turns out we love murder, and so we've come to your country to visit.

• 14:06Georgia Hardstark?

  For murder. We've, we've just been studying your murders here.

• 14:11Karen Kilgariff?

  Just interested in how you kill and where you kill.

• 14:14Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. Not really why, but...

• 14:17Karen Kilgariff?

  So he just said, "We're here to do a live podcast," and then he said, "What's the name of it?" And Georgia said, "My favorite murder."

• 14:23Georgia Hardstark?

  I'm mumbling.

• 14:24Karen Kilgariff?

  And he goes, "Oh, right. I heard all about it."

• 14:29Karen Kilgariff?

  There was a girl, a girl, an American lass came through here on Friday, and she told me all about it. She was insane.

• 14:38Georgia Hardstark?

  See? You can't talk about murder and soon chill. So if she's here for-

• 14:43Karen Kilgariff?

  Just doing an impression of my grandmother. I don't, so I don't know how, here it is.

• 14:47Georgia Hardstark?

  And we found out her name and I forgot it, if you can be, if you can believe it.

• 14:51Karen Kilgariff?

  But, you know, we thank you for that. There are people just on the ground explaining to strangers what they're doing and how they're doing it with us.

• 14:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Karen invited them to the show.

• 15:01Karen Kilgariff?

  I did.

• 15:03Georgia Hardstark?

  She's clearly not here or she'd be screaming at this point, I thought.

• 15:05Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, I think so.

• 15:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh!

• 15:06Karen Kilgariff?

  Are you here?

• 15:07Georgia Hardstark?

  No. That's no.

• 15:09Karen Kilgariff?

  Really?

• 15:09Georgia Hardstark?

  No.

• 15:09Karen Kilgariff?

  That sounded like a cat just got murdered in the back of the...

• 15:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Let's make that girl come up here and fucking explain what he looked like right now and see if she's telling the truth. And then kick her out if she's wrong. No, I would never do that.

• 15:21Karen Kilgariff?

  So then we went outside the airport and we got a cab. And this guy was like out of Irish central casting of like a gruff Irish cab driver. He had no interest in us at all. He was just trying to get his shit to, out of the airport area, I think, and...

• 15:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, yelled at a guy who was like crossing too slowly in front of us. I was like, yes, I like this guy.

• 15:45Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes. He like yelled out the window, like-

• 15:47Georgia Hardstark?

  Out the open window. Go slower. Why don't you go slower?

• 15:50Karen Kilgariff?

  He yelled sarcasm. That's how you know you're in Ireland. It wasn't rage-based. It was pure sarcasm.

• 16:00Karen Kilgariff?

  I actually, Georgia got into the backseat. Vince went to get in the backseat, so I was like, oh, I'll get in the front seat.

• 16:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Guess what she did?

• 16:06Karen Kilgariff?

  Walked around, went to get into the driver's side.

• 16:11Georgia Hardstark?

  Of course.

• 16:12Karen Kilgariff?

  Was so shocked by that steering wheel. I was like, what kind of cars? Is this a trainer car where you learn how to drive a cab or something?

• 16:20Georgia Hardstark?

  See, we drive on the other side, you guys. That's, that's the explanation.

• 16:24Karen Kilgariff?

  It's so different.

• 16:27Karen Kilgariff?

  And of course, I was immediately so embarrassed and turned around and said, "Sorry," and he goes, "I don't mind." Again, a joke that comes off as anger and rage, but you're just like, oh, but you're kidding. I was like trying to explain to Georgia, like, "That's why I am the way I am. I was raised..."

• 16:42Georgia Hardstark?

  I get it a little, I get it.

• 16:44Karen Kilgariff?

  Right?

• 16:44Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes.

• 16:45Karen Kilgariff?

  There's a gruff love to everything. It's kind of a like, holding back, watching you, judging you, loving you. Right? That's how you do it.

• 16:59Georgia Hardstark?

  I get it. I think I get you a little more now. And then it's like, well, when you're drunk and be like, "I want to tell you a secret." It's like, "I actually really like you, even though I don't act all..."

• 17:07Karen Kilgariff?

  Right. I don't, it's not, we don't act all nice because that's lame.

• 17:14Karen Kilgariff?

  You act like people bug you until you figure out whether or not they have a sense of humor. And then you like them.

• 17:20Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 17:20Karen Kilgariff?

  Or at least that's me and, that's how me and the cab driver do it. I don't know if that's, it's a generalization. I don't know if that's everybody.

• 17:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Everyone's like, "She's totally wrong." And she's calling us assholes at the same time.

• 17:30Karen Kilgariff?

  That's how we kick off the show. Oh, by the way, this is my favorite murder.

• 17:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Thank you. That's Karen Kilgariff.

• 17:40Karen Kilgariff?

  That's Georgia Hardstark.

• 17:46Karen Kilgariff?

  Dublin, God bless you.

• 17:48Georgia Hardstark?

  God bless you.

• 17:49Karen Kilgariff?

  God bless you.

• 17:49Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, tell them about your, your plunging neckline.

• 17:53Karen Kilgariff?

  I forgot my slip. So usually, we, usually we don't bring the girls out like this. It's not, it's not my style.

• 18:00Georgia Hardstark?

  Usually a two-person show.

• 18:04Karen Kilgariff?

  But now we're a quartet.

• 18:08Karen Kilgariff?

  I just figured 2018, we're gonna, we're gonna have the girls start earning their keep and really, you know, they've had a free ride for so long.

• 18:15Georgia Hardstark?

  Right. Tits out, my favorite murder.

• 18:17Karen Kilgariff?

  Tits out in 2018.

• 18:20Georgia Hardstark?

  I am the opposite kind of person, and I took my, my, my like black bra that I brought along special for

• 18:28Karen Kilgariff?

  Your special show bra.

• 18:29Georgia Hardstark?

  The occasion.

• 18:30Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 18:30Georgia Hardstark?

  And when we were on the plane, I did the thing, I took it off, because I'm like, I wear to the, like, the, what is it called? Airport, just to be like, I'm not, I'm not horrible. Like, you can serve me stuff and I'm not the worst.

• 18:41Karen Kilgariff?

  This is what society wants from me, to wear a bra at the airport.

• 18:44Georgia Hardstark?

  Like, just be glad I'm not wearing sweats. So I take it off in the plane, boop, boop, and like sit on it. And then I'm like, "I'll get it later." And I forgot to get it later. So, there's got a nice 34B black, non-underlined bra on some British Airways plane, if you want it. It's yours.

• 19:03Karen Kilgariff?

  That's a freebie for the next person.

• 19:07Karen Kilgariff?

  People would be like, "Is this a thong that someone snapped in half?"

• 19:12Georgia Hardstark?

  But that's, the point is, that's why I'm wearing a white bra, and I apologize. It's fucking tacky as shit. My mom would be so pissed off at me. Georgia!

• 19:19Karen Kilgariff?

  It's very day class A.

• 19:20Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 19:21Karen Kilgariff?

  But it doesn't matter, because we're not in the UK.

• 19:25Georgia Hardstark?

  You know how those UK people are.

• 19:29Georgia Hardstark?

  We don't care here.

• 19:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Exactly. And when I go to Penny's, I'll get a bra.

• 19:36Georgia Hardstark?

  I can do that.

• 19:38Georgia Hardstark?

  Fucking pandering, pandering, pandering.

• 19:41Karen Kilgariff?

  Saying words we don't know what they mean, so you will cheer for us.

• 19:44Georgia Hardstark?

  Yay!

• 19:45Karen Kilgariff?

  The best.

• 19:47Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, Steven's not here, as we said, just to bring you down.

• 19:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Right.

• 19:51Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, now we can, okay, he got that. Let's talk about how we really feel.

• 19:54Karen Kilgariff?

  There you go, Steven. Everyone misses you.

• 19:58Georgia Hardstark?

  No, he's being very sweet and sending lots of photos of the cats. Well, like, close-ups, though. In a way that I don't, I think I'm too old to understand.

• 20:08Karen Kilgariff?

  What if, when you come back from this trip, the cats have somehow written you a note that's like, "Steven's too intense for us. We can't be cat-sat by him anymore."

• 20:19Georgia Hardstark?

  We know that you think your dad hates cats. We like that he hates cats. He leaves us the fuck alone.

• 20:26Karen Kilgariff?

  We're standoffish. We want them to be standoffish. Steven's like, "Raaam."

• 20:33Georgia Hardstark?

  And then, but then he did a thing, oh, he's good. He fucking did a thing where, like, last night, he was editing a mini-soad for this week, and he wrote like, "Oh, Elvis heard your voice and came over." And like, Elvis is right there, listening to my voice, which isn't true. No, he's not. He's a cat. He doesn't care. But that's what I did. "Oh, my God, my baby." You know? But I know. I'm not fucking stupid. Like, he's a cat.

• 20:55Karen Kilgariff?

  I think I'm really rubbing off on you.

• 20:58Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, that's really true. No, he's not. He's a cat.

• 21:02Karen Kilgariff?

  Although, that's not true, because it really is true. At this point, by the time we're done recording at Georgia's apartment, it's almost like he knows that in, like, two hours or an hour and a half have gone by.

• 21:13Georgia Hardstark?

  He's like, "Wrap it the fuck up."

• 21:15Karen Kilgariff?

  Because he comes and sits on her lap, and the second she says, "Elvis, do you want to go?" He's like, "Meow." Like, he knows. He now knows it.

• 21:21Georgia Hardstark?

  When we're, like, toning it down, and we're like, "All right, this has gone on pretty long." He's like, sitting on, yeah, he comes up.

• 21:27Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, he knows.

• 21:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Because I know he's a cat, but he's really smart. Like, Siamese are really smart. He's just, he's so handsome.

• 21:37Karen Kilgariff?

  I would like to say, I was here in, I think it was 2001. I came to visit, just for vacation. And this is just a fun story that I remembered. My friend and I.

• 21:47Georgia Hardstark?

  Go ahead.

• 21:48Karen Kilgariff?

  My friend and I, thank you. I'm gonna take my time. Could I get a spotlight?

• 21:55Karen Kilgariff?

  My friend and I got into a rental car. Am I just fall backwards and die? What a way to go.

• 22:03Karen Kilgariff?

  We got a rental car, and I was the only one that had the guts to drive it. It was a fucking stick shift, and we were driving on the wrong side of the road. And we just decided, we'd like, had a map. This was like, pre, you know, modern life. So we had a paper map.

• 22:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my God.

• 22:19Karen Kilgariff?

  And we were just like, "Let's just drive up one of these highways. It's got a letter and a number."

• 22:24Georgia Hardstark?

  See where we go.

• 22:24Karen Kilgariff?

  And we'll see what happens.

• 22:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Let's, like, just play it by ear.

• 22:27Karen Kilgariff?

  We went as far up the West Coast as we could. And, but, like, we ended up getting out of the car. I don't know how we found this. I think it was like, I don't know. We basically went up to a fence. We opened it and closed it.

• 22:43Georgia Hardstark?

  What? I don't think you're supposed to do that.

• 22:46Karen Kilgariff?

  Well, and we walked over this hill.

• 22:50Karen Kilgariff?

  And it was right, we were on the coast, right? So we walked right down to the edge of the world.

• 22:56Georgia Hardstark?

  What?

• 22:57Karen Kilgariff?

  To the edge of this island. And we're like, "Holy fuck." And it was like, an insanely high drop. It was, you know.

• 23:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Holy shit.

• 23:03Karen Kilgariff?

  Like, several stories. Yeah. We sat on the edge of it with our feet over the side. And we're like, "This is amazing." And then this, like, storm rolls in, so we can see the clouds coming. Like, it was unbelievable. We're just sitting here like, "This is amazing," or whatever. So before it gets close to us and starts raining, we got up and we walked back.

• 23:21Georgia Hardstark?

  I'm like, worried about, I'm sitting here like, "Oh, is she gonna be okay? What if the cliff..." It was like, fucking 20 years ago, and I'm worried.

• 23:29Karen Kilgariff?

  And then I take my leg off. That's the day.

• 23:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my God. She's been saving it this whole time?

• 23:35Karen Kilgariff?

  I had to save it for Dublin.

• 23:38Karen Kilgariff?

  No, but we get up and we leave, and we go to the, we check into, like, whatever hotel we find in the little city that's near there. And when we check in, the guy at the counter says, "Oh, you should go check out the cliffs." And he goes, "But be careful. Don't go near the side. Tourists die up there all the time. They get blown right off the side all the time."

• 23:59Karen Kilgariff?

  We fucking went and sat.

• 24:00Georgia Hardstark?

  No.

• 24:01Karen Kilgariff?

  Like, literally swung our leg, and we're like, "This is such a great vacation." And like, we're both just went all white. We're like, "Sounds good. Yeah, we won't, we won't do that at all."

• 24:12Georgia Hardstark?

  This is why I have anxiety, to save my life.

• 24:15Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 24:15Georgia Hardstark?

  I save lives. Can we sit? Because I've never sweated so much in my fucking life.

• 24:20Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, I'm totally sweating. All right, let's sit down.

• 24:22Georgia Hardstark?

  Let's sit down.

• 24:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Look at these.

• 24:25Georgia Hardstark?

  These are good.

• 24:26Karen Kilgariff?

  Just like, kind of, these chairs are from a disco, aren't they?

• 24:30Georgia Hardstark?

  Like, these are legit comedy club chairs. There we go. And it goes down a little.

• 24:35Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, okay.

• 24:36Georgia Hardstark?

  There we go. Don't worry, I shaved my legs, which is great, because you guys are so close. But I'm sweating profusely.

• 24:43Karen Kilgariff?

  It's hot. It's summertime.

• 24:45Georgia Hardstark?

  It's not Q and A. Oh, my God, she has deodorant.

• 24:48Karen Kilgariff?

  She has deodorant. Are you serious?

• 24:53Karen Kilgariff?

  It's yours?

• 24:56Georgia Hardstark?

  She just found it on the ground, I think.

• 24:57Karen Kilgariff?

  It's fucking brute. It's brute.

• 25:01Georgia Hardstark?

  What is happening? Oh, she's putting it on.

• 25:05Karen Kilgariff?

  Thank you. What's your name?

• 25:07Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow.

• 25:07Karen Kilgariff?

  Daryl. Daryl? How come you bring deodorant to comedy shows?

• 25:11Georgia Hardstark?

  Is this yours, or did you find it on the ground? It's yours? Thank you.

• 25:14Karen Kilgariff?

  For moments like this. Whoa.

• 25:19Karen Kilgariff?

  You don't. No.

• 25:21Georgia Hardstark?

  I would never do that.

• 25:23Karen Kilgariff?

  And a quick, "Uh-uh." Thank you so much.

• 25:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Thank you.

• 25:29Karen Kilgariff?

  Beautiful, Daryl.

• 25:30Georgia Hardstark?

  The whole place engulfs in flames.

• 25:31Karen Kilgariff?

  Good call.

• 25:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Thank you. Shit. What are the chances? Who? Karen.

• 25:38Karen Kilgariff?

  Do you have any headbandages? Because I'm gonna need those later.

• 25:43Georgia Hardstark?

  This is, okay.

• 25:45Karen Kilgariff?

  And now it really smells like a 7th grade boy in here.

• 25:47Georgia Hardstark?

  It really does.

• 25:49Georgia Hardstark?

  It's strong. It's strong, but it's, I'm not sweating. It's just staying in my body and toxing me.

• 25:55Karen Kilgariff?

  Good.

• 25:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Instead of detoxing me. You know?

• 25:58Karen Kilgariff?

  That's what we want.

• 25:59Georgia Hardstark?

  That's what we want. It's probably in my water. Let's have a sip.

• 26:02Karen Kilgariff?

  All right, we didn't decide how, who's gonna go first. Right?

• 26:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 26:07Karen Kilgariff?

  Because now we're all off. We recorded, like, four episodes before we left to cover us.

• 26:12Georgia Hardstark?

  We're off the books. And then we usually have photos, and Steven, like, puts them in order. And so we, but we thought it'd be better to be more intimate and not have photos, guys.

• 26:19Karen Kilgariff?

  You don't need photos.

• 26:20Georgia Hardstark?

  That's why.

• 26:21Karen Kilgariff?

  You're clapping. You don't know why you're clapping.

• 26:25Karen Kilgariff?

  Good, I hate photos.

• 26:29Georgia Hardstark?

  I can't see that great. Anyway.

• 26:31Karen Kilgariff?

  I can't see so good.

• 26:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Do you want to go first? Do you want me to go first? We usually, we're gonna decide based on whose murder would be better to end on, less of a bummer.

• 26:41Karen Kilgariff?

  Is, how recent is yours?

• 26:43Georgia Hardstark?

  2001.

• 26:45Karen Kilgariff?

  I think you should go first.

• 26:46Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 26:47Karen Kilgariff?

  This is a true crime slash comedy podcast. So, that can be a little delicate.

• 26:53Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 26:53Karen Kilgariff?

  It's a, it's a conversation. We talk about heavy shit, but sometimes we're lighthearted about it. If that's gonna bother you, you should get the fuck out.

• 27:04Karen Kilgariff?

  But in a...

• 27:05Georgia Hardstark?

  I'd also like to say that those of you who did wander in off the street, thinking that this wasn't gonna be like this, because my name is George on the ticket, and you thought that maybe there'd be at least one man up here, making, you know, taking care of shit? You've been missing porn? Get the fuck out of here. My name is Georgia.

• 27:23Karen Kilgariff?

  What if there's like, there's somebody in the audience that's like, "I was guaranteed a man would be on stage." What are they gonna do? They have no guidance or leadership.

• 27:42Speaker 02

  And we're back.

• 27:43Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, my God, this show is legendary.

• 27:46Speaker 02

  I can't believe it's our first one in Europe. And I can't believe we went to Europe on a podcast that we created and just, like, went and toured. That's so crazy.

• 27:56Karen Kilgariff?

  It's so funny to think of the beginning of the idea of touring that at least I had in my head, because I'd seen other podcasts tour. And other podcasts touring was kind of a long table that you'd set up at a spaghetti feed with three dudes sitting at it, talking to each other.

• 28:13Speaker 02

  Like a pie-eating contest.

• 28:15Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah. So, yeah, the idea that what we turned it into for ourselves

• 28:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:22Karen Kilgariff?

  is what I love the most. Because it's like, oh, yeah, we don't have to do it the way we've seen it done.

• 28:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, and they were very intellectual. It seemed like that's the only, the only podcast that toured. We're intellectual, or Last Podcast on the Left doing it in their, like, crazy way. And I think that was so great that we just, like, we didn't have any frills. We just fucking sat at chairs and the table and just did the show, which is perfect for us.

• 28:44Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes, exactly. And, but I, I think the standing at the beginning, it was like, it was us in the audience doing stuff. And then it was kind of like, well, of course, we have to stand up at the beginning, because there's all kinds of, all kinds of business going on, and we want to be down.

• 28:58Speaker 02

  Seeing what people are, how people are dressed and what they're talking about. But in this, I don't know if you remember this theater we were in, because it was pretty small, really dark. So it kind of felt like it was really intimate.

• 29:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Shoebox theater. Yeah. It felt like The Elysian or something like that, where it's just small and tight. But it wasn't. It was big and someone's cousin was in the audience.

• 29:23Speaker 02

  Everyone's worst fear coming true, and it worked out great.

• 29:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 29:27Speaker 02

  It felt like we were in somebody's very dark living room. Is in my, when I call it up in my mind, it was just like, we were all there together and it was small and intense, like, the audience energy was really intense in that room.

• 29:42Georgia Hardstark?

  And you know, I remember our stories from this night so well. I think yours especially, I think is a really big one there and people were, and I'd never heard of it.

• 29:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:52Georgia Hardstark?

  And it was just so, so shocking. So should we get into our stories?

• 29:56Speaker 02

  Let's do it. So we're gonna start off with Georgia's story about Colin Whelan and the murder of Mary Goth.

• 30:09Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 30:12Georgia Hardstark?

  You're fucking asking for it, dude.

• 30:14Karen Kilgariff?

  Full rotation.

• 30:16Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, so mine, yeah, let's, good call on ending on the later one.

• 30:19Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay.

• 30:20Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay. This is about the fucking asshole Colin Whelan. Oh. Okay.

• 30:29Georgia Hardstark?

  Just them. All right.

• 30:33Georgia Hardstark?

  So Colin Whelan, he first meets 19-year-old Mary Goth. Goth? Goth, thank you.

• 30:38Karen Kilgariff?

  Hold on, Louise.

• 30:42Georgia Hardstark?

  Goth, thank you. Sorry, we don't know how to read in America. Or do you have any research, apparently? Watch one, okay. Goth, in 1993. So Mary is working at a pub called The Huntsman Inn. She's this lovely young lady. She was born in 1973. She's the only girl of six.

• 31:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh shit.

• 31:04Georgia Hardstark?

  And she's the second to youngest, so these fucking dudes, or her brothers adore her. She's like the light of the family.

• 31:12Georgia Hardstark?

  Colin, he is born in 71. He's born into like a nice, middle-class family from Gormanstown.

• 31:22Georgia Hardstark?

  Gormanston, Gormanston.

• 31:23Karen Kilgariff?

  She doesn't even know what you're talking about.

• 31:26Georgia Hardstark?

  She doesn't know. Karen, you say that.

• 31:30Karen Kilgariff?

  What? Gormanstown.

• 31:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Really? It's never what you think it's, you're always like, it has to have some weird fucking sound in the middle of it, because everyone yells at us and then it just looks like it.

• 31:41Karen Kilgariff?

  We have PTSD. We have pronunciation PTSD. We have been verbally assaulted by entire cities because we didn't say their fucking local town right. All across America, people have screamed and screamed at us, which started our, we began a crusade, and it's called Spell It Like You Say It. And we're just asking people to please.

• 32:04Georgia Hardstark?

  All right. Okay. So, here we go.

• 32:08Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 32:09Georgia Hardstark?

  So Colin's from a better suburb of Dublin. He is a computer analyst with a background in IT. He gets this well-paid bank job with a banking giant Irish permanent. You guys work there?

• 32:24Karen Kilgariff?

  They love it.

• 32:25Georgia Hardstark?

  This is their yearly conference tonight.

• 32:29Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, you guys had a holiday this weekend, we hear.

• 32:31Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, yeah. You guys are way less shitfaced than I would have expected for a bank holiday and I appreciate, I want to say we appreciate it.

• 32:38Karen Kilgariff?

  I just love that we, I kept seeing commercials for like furniture stores, but it was like, bank holiday sale, where I was like, what the fuck is this bank holiday situation?

• 32:47Georgia Hardstark?

  It's a big deal.

• 32:48Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 32:49Georgia Hardstark?

  So he works there for like nine years. He's big time. And so Mary's brothers describe her as beautiful, funny, intelligent, easygoing, and a straight-talking girl. And Colin is her first boyfriend, which we all fucking know, except for the ones who married them and they're here with them tonight.

• 33:06Karen Kilgariff?

  Good cover, good cover, good cover.

• 33:08Georgia Hardstark?

  Thank you, thank you, thank you.

• 33:08Karen Kilgariff?

  Well done.

• 33:09Georgia Hardstark?

  Thank you. There's always some girls like, I know, but I got a good one. And you're like, all right, keep it.

• 33:14Karen Kilgariff?

  Fine.

• 33:16Georgia Hardstark?

  So, she's from Stamullen. Stumullen, close enough.

• 33:24Karen Kilgariff?

  Let Louise say it.

• 33:25Georgia Hardstark?

  Louise. She doesn't know.

• 33:27Karen Kilgariff?

  You can't do, we're back in the family. What do you call it?

• 33:33Georgia Hardstark?

  Stamullen.

• 33:35Karen Kilgariff?

  Stromullen. No?

• 33:38Georgia Hardstark?

  They're claiming that you want to see it. There's too many. We'll be here all night.

• 33:43Karen Kilgariff?

  Spellen?

• 33:48Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, oh. They're saying, I thought they were pronouncing the word, so I said spellen, but they're like, spell it.

• 33:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh.

• 33:57Karen Kilgariff?

  Spell the word. Oh, it's that city spelling over in, on the east side.

• 34:04Georgia Hardstark?

  I'm not, I'm not saying any more places, so we're good.

• 34:06Karen Kilgariff?

  Spell the word and they'll tell you.

• 34:08Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, I'm gonna, because they asked the same thing and then we yelled it out.

• 34:11Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, I see, and then we attacked Louise.

• 34:12Georgia Hardstark?

  S-T-A-M-U-L-L-E-N.

• 34:17Karen Kilgariff?

  But if everybody says it at the same time, it sounds like nothing. Do you understand? It can only be Louise. It's your big chance, Louise.

• 34:25Georgia Hardstark?

  And she hates it.

• 34:26Karen Kilgariff?

  Shout it out.

• 34:28Georgia Hardstark?

  Stamullen.

• 34:31Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes. We might have to get you your own mic.

• 34:34Georgia Hardstark?

  Give her that deodorant.

• 34:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Pass the deodorant to Louise.

• 34:40Georgia Hardstark?

  So Colin becomes Mary's very first boyfriend. And her mother, they liked Colin, but her mother said that she thought that Mary loved too much, loved him too much. You know. In August 1970, they start dating in, where was I? 90, 93. In August of 97, Colin buys a house, and bao bregan.

• 35:05Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, that's right. Feel it. Love it. Take it inside.

• 35:10Georgia Hardstark?

  I'm doing it. It's happening.

• 35:12Karen Kilgariff?

  Your victory is real.

• 35:15Georgia Hardstark?

  If you just keep failing, when you get one little victory, people are like, good job, you know? In 98, they get engaged and they move in together. So Mary's mother, Marie, has misgivings, of course, about Colin and the control that he exerted over her, saying that he insisted she would dress down and not be like revealing, but meanwhile, he was fucking checking out girls, ladies all the time, you know?

• 35:38Karen Kilgariff?

  He would not approve of this dress.

• 35:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Absolutely not.

• 35:41Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, it is a bit nuts.

• 35:46Georgia Hardstark?

  Then, so Mary, she's 27 now and she's planning their September 2000 wedding. Meanwhile, he, Colin, makes a visit to their financial planner secretly, and he doubles their life insurance policy so that the surviving partner would get 400,000 euros.

• 36:07Georgia Hardstark?

  Of your money.

• 36:09Georgia Hardstark?

  Euros.

• 36:09Karen Kilgariff?

  You know what your money is called and so do we, so we don't even have to say it. It's a bank holiday. Let's not, let's stop talking about money.

• 36:18Georgia Hardstark?

  You guys are so greedy. We don't want to talk about money.

• 36:21Karen Kilgariff?

  Don't be so superficial that you need to hear the name of what your money is called.

• 36:30Georgia Hardstark?

  So it would get 400,000 if one of them died within 10 years of marriage, which seems like it shouldn't be a thing to be like betting on how long they'll live in the marriage.

• 36:38Karen Kilgariff?

  Shouldn't be allowed.

• 36:39Georgia Hardstark?

  No. It's like, but if you die within five years, you'll get this. This is not a fucking contest. In September 2000, after dating for seven years, excuse me, they're married. Apparently allergies can come to Dublin with you. And you're carry on. They're, after dating seven years, they're married. And at this point, Mary's working in a solicitor's office in Swords. Swords. Seriously? What the fuck? I tried to put a spin on it? Thank you. You guys are so supportive.

• 37:12Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay. And she's, of course, highly regarded as by colleagues because fucking, everything sucks. So Colin, which is the name of my ex-fiance, so of course, I fucking hate this guy even more.

• 37:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Stupid name.

• 37:27Karen Kilgariff?

  I love to hear the subtext of these stories. They're just filled with rage.

• 37:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Adding my own bullshit into this, like that I should take out in therapy instead of on stage.

• 37:37Karen Kilgariff?

  I think this is therapy.

• 37:38Georgia Hardstark?

  I mean, so that means I pay you guys $150 at the end of this.

• 37:45Karen Kilgariff?

  $150 with two lines in it.

• 37:49Georgia Hardstark?

  So after just four months of marriage, Colin starts an online relationship with a woman named Helen, who lives in Wales. And he.

• 37:59Karen Kilgariff?

  That's in the UK.

• 38:05Georgia Hardstark?

  He says to her that he starts bragging about how he's about to get 400 euros because his wife had died in a car crash.

• 38:13Karen Kilgariff?

  It might not be euros.

• 38:15Georgia Hardstark?

  It is.

• 38:15Karen Kilgariff?

  Let's consult Louise.

• 38:18Karen Kilgariff?

  Pounds.

• 38:20Georgia Hardstark?

  That's what I did not say that. Well, I didn't mean that.

• 38:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Thank you for catching that.

• 38:28Karen Kilgariff?

  Thank you.

• 38:29Georgia Hardstark?

  400,000. That's a lot more.

• 38:32Karen Kilgariff?

  I feel like I need to warn you now, Louise. You are absolutely going to be attacked at some point. It's very vulnerable to have to go to you for every fucking word you say.

• 38:44Georgia Hardstark?

  We're gonna send you to therapy after this. We understand. 400,000. So he is bragging to this woman Helen, who has no fucking clue what's going on, that, yeah, his wife had died in a car accident years earlier, so he was gonna get that money. And he made up a nickname for her to call him. Furry bear.

• 39:05Karen Kilgariff?

  As opposed to what other kind of bear?

• 39:08Georgia Hardstark?

  You know that sad one that you've seen without hair?

• 39:11Karen Kilgariff?

  Like a Chernobyl bear?

• 39:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 39:15Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, dude.

• 39:16Karen Kilgariff?

  Redundant bear.

• 39:19Georgia Hardstark?

  So the relationship gets intense. She's like, we're falling in love. They email each other, sometimes dozens of times a day. You remember that in 2001?

• 39:28Karen Kilgariff?

  Hot emails?

• 39:28Georgia Hardstark?

  Probably. Remember in 2001, when you could have an online relationship with someone and it like meant something? And people, and your friends weren't like, what the fuck are you doing?

• 39:36Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 39:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Because we didn't know.

• 39:40Georgia Hardstark?

  And they have phone calls. He sends her photos of him with his photo face, his face of his photo, superimposed over a fucking weightlifter's body. And I think she finds out and thinks it's like funny, but it's not.

• 39:56Karen Kilgariff?

  He doesn't, he does not mean it funny. It's not like he's like, look, I'm a meme or anything like, it's before that.

• 40:01Georgia Hardstark?

  There's no memes, it's 2001.

• 40:03Karen Kilgariff?

  It's pre-meme time.

• 40:04Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes.

• 40:05Karen Kilgariff?

  He, so I also bet that Photoshop is insanely shitty, so it was like, his head with a black ring around it.

• 40:11Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 40:12Karen Kilgariff?

  Part of a bar in the background.

• 40:14Georgia Hardstark?

  Two ear, like his real ear and then the ear from the weightlifter.

• 40:17Karen Kilgariff?

  And of course, his face is normal Irish white, and then the bodybuilder's body is like a hot dog's color.

• 40:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. So then they plan to meet for the first time. He's like, makes up a bullshit thing that he's going to Germany for work.

• 40:34Karen Kilgariff?

  To go get muscles.

• 40:36Georgia Hardstark?

  And so he plans, they plan to meet on March 2nd, 2001. She's all excited about it and then doesn't hear from him after that. So it turns out, the day before, they're set to meet on February 28th, 2001, at 16 minutes past midnight, Colin calls 999, that's what you guys call it.

• 40:58Karen Kilgariff?

  They know.

• 40:59Georgia Hardstark?

  I know.

• 41:02Georgia Hardstark?

  I know. I don't know why I told them.

• 41:04Karen Kilgariff?

  We're having a hard adjustment period.

• 41:07Georgia Hardstark?

  And asks for an ambulance. He claims that his wife, Mary, had fallen down the stairs. He tells the operators he didn't think she was breathing, and so he was talked through CPR and heart massage by the operator and made a show of carrying them out, of course. We're not gonna play the 911, 999 call, don't we?

• 41:27Karen Kilgariff?

  Because I would walk off this stage.

• 41:30Georgia Hardstark?

  The ambulance arrives at 12:30, and immediately, paramedics are like, there's some shady shit going on. They can tell, because Mary's position was not consistent with someone who had fallen down the stairs, or someone who had gotten CPR, and there's no blood on his face from having given her mouth to mouth, even though there's blood on her face. So they also found Mary with like a duvet or a quilt resting over her, which they thought was weird, and they, and her body was too cold to have it, had it just happen, you know, a half hour earlier. And most telling, though, they found a blood-soaked towel around her neck. And they work frantically to save her, and Colin coldly asks, is she dead? And they were like, this is fucking not okay.

• 42:14Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 42:14Georgia Hardstark?

  And then within minutes of Mary's arrival at the hospital, Belmont Hospital, questions are raised from the medical staff. This nurse, Sister Catherine Galvin, she, she is like, what the fuck, you have scratches on your chest? And so goes over to Garda. Garda?

• 42:34Georgia Hardstark?

  Garda, yeah.

• 42:36Georgia Hardstark?

  And is like, yo, check this guy out.

• 42:39Karen Kilgariff?

  Garda sounds like some dude that's standing in the corner at the hospital. You know Garda, he has a bunch of cigarettes? You can, you can always bum a cigarette from Garda.

• 42:48Georgia Hardstark?

  You know.

• 42:53Georgia Hardstark?

  So yeah, so she notices that, and then the doctor who's trying to resuscitate Mary notices marks on her neck and chest which suggests that she hadn't fallen down the stairs. And also at the hospital, Colin seems to have no remorse, or no like sadness over Mary's death. Mary's mother, Marie, who's of course extremely close with her only daughter, goes up to him and is like, what happened? And he, she says, I walked up to Colin and he was sitting with his head in his hands, and I said, how's Mary? And he just said, she was dead, just like that. I couldn't get over it, I'll never forget the way he answered me. He was just sitting there. I was looking at everyone else, roaring and crying, and I didn't know what to think. So that's fucking shady. Later that day, Dr. Marie Cassidy of the State Pathologist Company.

• 43:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Ooh. They know Marie.

• 43:41Georgia Hardstark?

  She confirms the suspicions of Garda.

• 43:47Georgia Hardstark?

  And says that she had died of asphyxiation. The story of what really happened that night was that, as Mary was getting ready for bed, Colin came up behind her with the dress, the belt of a dressing gown, and tries to strangle her, but she fucking fought like hell and scratched him up. Then that's what they saw at the hospital. And then she's unconscious, he drags her down the stairs and sits and covers her body with the blanket, so that he could disguise her time of death, like trying to keep her warm, which is fucking insane, and then has time to clean up the crime scene. And, but he overlooked traces of blood, so when they go through the house, they find all this shit. He's, yeah.

• 44:34Georgia Hardstark?

  They search, and then this guy, he's a fucking IT specialist with his own company, and yet the Garda searched his computer and found that within weeks of setting up the insurance policy prior to their wedding, Colin was looking up different ways to kill Mary. Fucking Googling this shit. I don't think Google exists yet. What was it then? Ask Jeeves?

• 44:59Karen Kilgariff?

  He was binging that shit?

• 45:00Georgia Hardstark?

  He was binging the shit out of it.

• 45:02Karen Kilgariff?

  That was an innocent time, like 2001, where people thought, oh, I'll just put this into my own computer and no one will be the wiser. Porn, porn, porn, porn, porn.

• 45:11Georgia Hardstark?

  And then you hit clear history.

• 45:12Karen Kilgariff?

  Clear history, you're gone.

• 45:14Georgia Hardstark?

  It's cleared.

• 45:14Karen Kilgariff?

  What are cookies?

• 45:17Georgia Hardstark?

  Elvis just walks out of the stage.

• 45:21Karen Kilgariff?

  That'd be, oh my god. What if we don't bring Steven on tour, but we do bring Elvis? That's so insulting. That's just rude. Just plain rude.

• 45:32Georgia Hardstark?

  That'd be great.

• 45:36Georgia Hardstark?

  So some of the searches this fucking idiot goes for are asphyxiation, loss of consciousness, how long to take to die from asphyxiation, lack of oxygen to the brain, and death by strangulation. He just should have put, I'm gonna kill my wife in there.

• 45:53Karen Kilgariff?

  What should I do, step by step? Tell me exactly.

• 45:58Georgia Hardstark?

  So, but somehow, and I think it's probably because of arrogance, despite being a computer analyst, he just didn't realize that they could trace every movement, movement, like on him.

• 46:08Karen Kilgariff?

  So not, maybe didn't graduate at the top of his class.

• 46:10Georgia Hardstark?

  Probably not. Another creepy thing found on his computer was a downloaded transcript of a case from Northern Carolina regarding...

• 46:19Karen Kilgariff?

  North Carolina?

• 46:20Georgia Hardstark?

  Northern. Same thing. North Carolina.

• 46:25Karen Kilgariff?

  We know that one!

• 46:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Why do I have to put a spin on it? I don't know!

• 46:30Georgia Hardstark?

  I have to like try to sound smarter and I just am stupid.

• 46:33Karen Kilgariff?

  Now you doubt every word on the page.

• 46:35Georgia Hardstark?

  I do! I'm so sweaty, okay.

• 46:39Karen Kilgariff?

  I am too, I am too.

• 46:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, great.

• 46:42Georgia Hardstark?

  In North Carolina, which is in the northern part of Carolina.

• 46:47Karen Kilgariff?

  There's also South Carolina, hi.

• 46:51Karen Kilgariff?

  All the fucking Carolinas, shut up.

• 46:52Georgia Hardstark?

  They're all here tonight, folks.

• 46:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, there's a case there regarding death by strangulation that's really similar. Basically, you like studied another fucking murder case. In both cases, the bodies were wrapped in a blanket to keep the body warm. And they both involved the use of a towel to hide the marks around a victim's neck. So, and they found out about the affair. And he had affairs both before and after marrying Mary. And he posted on a number of dating sites, trying to get sex, and then other ones trying to get relationships. He's just a real piece of shit. So...

• 47:32Karen Kilgariff?

  Why do the relationship one?

• 47:33Georgia Hardstark?

  I don't know.

• 47:35Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, not to be cynical.

• 47:37Georgia Hardstark?

  But isn't it...

• 47:37Karen Kilgariff?

  How much time do you have in your fucking day?

• 47:40Georgia Hardstark?

  That fucking arrogance, man.

• 47:42Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, I guess that's true.

• 47:43Georgia Hardstark?

  It'll get ya.

• 47:46Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, then. Okay. A month after Mary's death, on April 10th, 2001, Colin's charged with her murder. And the case was gonna make legal history in that it would have been the first time that virtual evidence was crucial. Because the internet searches would have been central to securing a conviction, and that was the first time that would happen. Which is like, ah, what an idiot. You know?

• 48:10Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 48:10Georgia Hardstark?

  If that's your legacy?

• 48:11Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 48:12Georgia Hardstark?

  No.

• 48:12Karen Kilgariff?

  You're an IT guy that is the first person to be prosecuted?

• 48:16Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 48:17Karen Kilgariff?

  For virtual evidence?

• 48:18Georgia Hardstark?

  Exactly.

• 48:18Karen Kilgariff?

  Way to go. Irony. This is the irony.

• 48:22Georgia Hardstark?

  He denies the fucking charges, of course, but the trial is set for October 13th, 2003. And he's fucking let on bail for some reason. It was gonna be seven months later, and they're like, "Go ahead and wait at your house, or wherever you want." Like, come on? And so, of course, his car is found, shortly after, his car is found abandoned at Houthe. Houthe, damn close.

• 48:48Karen Kilgariff?

  You had one or two choices on that one. It was a 50/50.

• 48:51Georgia Hardstark?

  Right. Houthe, which is an outer suburb of Dublin, and it's on Upper Cliff Road.

• 48:58Georgia Hardstark?

  Actually, it's on Upper Cliff Road, which is a set of cliffs. What if it's the one you were...

• 49:03Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, my God. I was there.

• 49:04Georgia Hardstark?

  You were there.

• 49:05Karen Kilgariff?

  I was there.

• 49:06Georgia Hardstark?

  He was in 2001, too. What if you looked over and you're like...

• 49:09Karen Kilgariff?

  Wait, there was a man that was standing. Now that I think about it, I can see a man.

• 49:19Georgia Hardstark?

  So, they find his car on the cliffs, you know, leading to people, some people assuming that he had committed suicide. His car's there, all his belongings were in the car. And I'm sure it was like, ooh, he committed suicide. But Mary's family was like, fuck that shit. No, he didn't. They knew. They, um, they were like, I wrote, of course, Mary's family was like, oh, hell nah.

• 49:44Georgia Hardstark?

  And they were convinced that Colin had faked his own death, so they form a huge search party looking for him. But meanwhile, and it turned out they were right, of course, meanwhile, Colin had stolen the identity of a neighbor named Martin Sweeney, and Martin had never applied for a passport. So fucking Colin goes, Martin's my dad's name, and Colin's my... Wow.

• 50:05Karen Kilgariff?

  It's all coming together.

• 50:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my God. Then, so then he applied for a passport in this guy Martin's name, gets the passport, and flees to Spain. He settles on an island called, and I wrote this phonetically, Mallorca.

• 50:21Karen Kilgariff?

  So that's the one you spell phonetically.

• 50:22Georgia Hardstark?

  I know. The one nobody gives a shit about.

• 50:27Georgia Hardstark?

  So I guess it's not, it's an island that's not oftenly frequented by Irish tourists.

• 50:32Karen Kilgariff?

  Are you drunk?

• 50:33Georgia Hardstark?

  No. You've seen me for the past two hours backstage.

• 50:38Georgia Hardstark?

  I've just huffed a lot of deodorant the past couple hours.

• 50:40Karen Kilgariff?

  That's what it is. She's high on Brut.

• 50:44Georgia Hardstark?

  So, and he gets a job in a resort as a bartender. And he's just like living it up like Kokomo style, and you're like, fucking...

• 50:53Karen Kilgariff?

  You know he wore his shirt, like, the first button was way down here, but he was like...

• 50:58Georgia Hardstark?

  He's like, "I'm a bodybuilder."

• 51:01Karen Kilgariff?

  It's me, the Irish bodybuilder.

• 51:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Right. He fucking makes friends, he gets a girlfriend, he's like, this is my life now. Asshole. But then, he begins frequenting Irish bars in Palma Novo, which is like, you really like, fucking number one in hiding your identity, is like, don't go to the bar where people who are from the place you're hiding from hang out at.

• 51:29Karen Kilgariff?

  Hang out, where you're going to get super drunk and then start going, "Wait, where are you from? Hi, so am I."

• 51:36Georgia Hardstark?

  And, "I tell you a secret."

• 51:41Karen Kilgariff?

  "I have quite a secret. Because you're my best friend, so I'm gonna tell you."

• 51:48Georgia Hardstark?

  I know, we just met.

• 51:49Karen Kilgariff?

  "I killed, I killed people."

• 51:55Georgia Hardstark?

  So, and he tells, he tells all his best friends that his parents are dead and he has no surviving relatives, which is like, red flag, I think, right?

• 52:06Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 52:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Unless it's real, and then like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry, I doubted you. It sucks.

• 52:11Karen Kilgariff?

  It can go one of two ways.

• 52:12Georgia Hardstark?

  Either you're the asshole, or they're the asshole.

• 52:17Karen Kilgariff?

  But it's rare that somebody doesn't have like one old aunt sitting around somewhere.

• 52:21Georgia Hardstark?

  Or like someone who they keep in touch with on Facebook from elementary school, let's say. Like, just one.

• 52:27Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 52:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Maybe two.

• 52:30Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, so this, of course, this place, Santa Ponsa.

• 52:36Georgia Hardstark?

  So he starts going to night spots in this other place, Santa Ponsa, that's like Ireland's favorite fucking place to hang out. Outside of Ireland. So, of course, in July of 2004, 16th motherfucking month after fleeing, that's a long time.

• 52:52Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, it is.

• 52:53Georgia Hardstark?

  That dude was spotted, Colin spotted at the bar by someone from Dublin who was like, um, and he gets extradited back to Ireland. Yay.

• 53:05Karen Kilgariff?

  That person, fucking saved up for their vacation to Santa Puebla, or whatever it's called. They're fucking half in the bag, like, isn't it great to be the, uh-oh?

• 53:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Or what if it was like...

• 53:20Karen Kilgariff?

  If you sober up?

• 53:20Georgia Hardstark?

  What if it was like, "Where do I know you from?"

• 53:24Karen Kilgariff?

  "Did we go to camp together?"

• 53:26Georgia Hardstark?

  "I went to elementary school."

• 53:28Karen Kilgariff?

  "Did we do Highland dancing in grammar school together?"

• 53:33Karen Kilgariff?

  Local references, you don't like, okay.

• 53:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Uh-uh. They don't wanna...

• 53:37Karen Kilgariff?

  They're like, stop generalizing about us. You don't know us.

• 53:42Georgia Hardstark?

  A friend at the bar, a friend that he had worked with said, "There's nothing out of the ordinary about..." They were all like, "What the fuck?" His girlfriend's devastated about the whole thing. Can you fucking imagine? Oh, my God. She had no idea who he really was.

• 53:57Karen Kilgariff?

  So she, the girlfriend thought he was dead, too? She let him...

• 54:00Georgia Hardstark?

  No, no, no. Helen, girlfriend A is like, it's like, they knock on, he doesn't show up when he's supposed to. They knock on her door, and they're like, "We need to talk to you about your online boyfriend Colin." And she's like, "Oh, my God, is he okay?" And they're like, "Yes, but..." And she fucking is gonna like testify against him.

• 54:17Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, got it.

• 54:18Georgia Hardstark?

  Like, fuck this dude.

• 54:19Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 54:19Georgia Hardstark?

  This girlfriend is the island girlfriend, the new girlfriend.

• 54:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, okay.

• 54:23Georgia Hardstark?

  And nobody had any idea, and she had no idea either. So like, you know. Don't date people on islands. That's the point of that one. This is an island.

• 54:34Karen Kilgariff?

  Shit.

• 54:39Georgia Hardstark?

  I'm just sweating so bad.

• 54:43Karen Kilgariff?

  This is high pressure. It's a high-pressure situation.

• 54:46Georgia Hardstark?

  You had one job.

• 54:48Karen Kilgariff?

  Every move we make is wrong.

• 54:50Georgia Hardstark?

  Edit that out.

• 54:53Georgia Hardstark?

  So now, this Colin is 34 years old at the time of the murder trial. He expresses no emotion at the hearing. He just stands there with his head down. Justice Paul Carney told him, since he prolonged the Goth family's suffering when he refused to offer a quick trial while extradited, he's still being a dick. He also said that this, quote, "This has been the most calculating and callous killing I have ever encountered in my time in court."

• 55:19Karen Kilgariff?

  Wow.

• 55:19Georgia Hardstark?

  So in April 2005, he, Colin, pleads guilty to the murder of Mary. At the sentencing, one of Mary's brothers spoke and said, "Our family is living a life sentence since her murder, and will always have to live with it. They won't, we won't get off for good behavior. Mary is gone forever, and we can't run away." Like, you fucking...

• 55:40Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 55:40Georgia Hardstark?

  So Justice Carney hands down a mandatory life sentence, the most severe sentence he could hand down. He said, "In normal circumstances, he would backdate the sentence to the time our attorney spent in custody, but since Colin had later days from the state, he wouldn't." So he's like, "Go fuck yourself."

• 55:57Karen Kilgariff?

  He's tacking on that 16 months. He'd be like, "Remember your island vacation? You're gonna pay."

• 56:02Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. So Mary's brother David addressed Colin, saying that the family would never, ever, ever, quote, "Forgive him because he took a piece of each of them when he killed Mary." End quote, "Mary's only crime was loving you too much."

• 56:17Karen Kilgariff?

  Ugh.

• 56:17Georgia Hardstark?

  I know. And that's the murderer, Colin Whelan of Mary Goth.

• 56:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Wow. That was amazing.

• 56:30Georgia Hardstark?

  Thank you.

• 56:31Karen Kilgariff?

  That was great.

• 56:31Georgia Hardstark?

  Boy, I'm glad yours is next.

• 56:40Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay, we're back. Are there any updates for this case?

• 56:43Speaker 02

  Yes, there are some updates. At the end of 2025, Colin was moved to an open prison. As of September 2026, he's working as a chef at a center that provides job training to vulnerable people. He is granted day release so they can have this job. This has raised a bit of criticism since people point out that there are vulnerable women at this center, and they are likely not aware of who Colin is or about his past. So, all right, well, Karen, let's get into your story about Billy in the Bowl, otherwise known as the Stony Badder Strangler.

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• 57:25Karen Kilgariff?

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• 1:00:11Karen Kilgariff?

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• 1:00:15Karen Kilgariff?

  I'm gonna do Billy in the Bowl.

• 1:00:18Speaker 02

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• 1:00:19Karen Kilgariff?

  Emily.

• 1:00:20Speaker 02

  Emily's the only one.

• 1:00:21Karen Kilgariff?

  Emily, stop it.

• 1:00:26Karen Kilgariff?

  Some, also, people know him as the Stony Badder Strangler.

• 1:00:31Karen Kilgariff?

  Now they get it.

• 1:00:34Karen Kilgariff?

  This was actually, this story was tweeted to us on our Twitter page by a Dublin theater group called Tales From the Shadows. Oh, it's Emily's theater group.

• 1:00:45Speaker 02

  Oh, my God. What are the chances?

• 1:00:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Karen, stand up.

• 1:00:53Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay, what's your theater group all about? We do storytelling and shadow puppetry all together. We also just started a podcast. We've got two episodes so far. What's it called? Sounds from the Shadows. Silence of the Shadows? Sounds from the Shadows. Sorry, Sounds from the Shadows. Is it like a storytelling podcast? Yep. Represent. Storytelling podcast. All right, well, I'm doing your story. No, thank you.

• 1:01:19Speaker 02

  That's awesome.

• 1:01:21Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, because you know what I was gonna do? I had Alias Grace, that story that was just on Netflix, and I had it all researched. Don't act sad. That's really rude.

• 1:01:33Karen Kilgariff?

  But then I realized it was an Irish girl, but the whole thing took place in Canada. So then I was picturing in my mind, like, no one gives a shit about Canada.

• 1:01:41Karen Kilgariff?

  Then we got this tweet, and I was like...

• 1:01:43Speaker 02

  They don't want you getting the fucking places in Canada wrong. They want you doing it here.

• 1:01:47Karen Kilgariff?

  This is, we need errors from the island.

• 1:01:50Speaker 02

  From this island.

• 1:01:52Karen Kilgariff?

  And then I, so I look up this, and so what Emily and her theater group did was they linked a video of, there's a video series called Story Maps, where people tell stories. Is it all Europe or is it just Ireland? Just Dublin. Oh, just Dublin, okay.

• 1:02:08Speaker 02

  You guys have enough here, Jesus.

• 1:02:09Karen Kilgariff?

  Storymaps.ie, and it's really cool. There's just all these people telling local lore and local stories.

• 1:02:17Speaker 02

  Cool.

• 1:02:17Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, good, other people are hot, too. Okay, that's great.

• 1:02:20Speaker 02

  Oh, good. Oh, yeah, I forgot I could do this. Oh, for fuck's sake.

• 1:02:24Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, you can do that. In this Story Maps video, it's a lovely young man named Bobby Ahern who tells the story of Billy in the Bowl.

• 1:02:33Speaker 02

  Ern.

• 1:02:36Speaker 02

  Ahern.

• 1:02:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay, we have family friends named the Aherns, and so...

• 1:02:45Karen Kilgariff?

  I just fight every pronunciation. My grandma told me that, oh, I become the girl in the bar.

• 1:02:54Karen Kilgariff?

  Bobby Ahern.

• 1:02:57Karen Kilgariff?

  And he is so charming. He tells the story so well. He's sitting in the Grange Inn, he's got a cup of tea in front of him, and he tells the story of Billy in the Bowl, which is fucking nuts. Also, there's a blog called Silent Owl, and they, they wrote up the story of it. There's a lot of great information, so I took from both of those. So, this man, Billy Davis, he was born sometime in the mid-1700s, so this is old, old, old.

• 1:03:23Speaker 02

  Right, good, right, good.

• 1:03:25Karen Kilgariff?

  And although not much is known about his early life, it's safe to assume that he was a beautiful, healthy baby boy, because he, the story about him and the kind of, the overriding fact of the story of Billy in the Bowl is that he was fucking hot. He had a big mop of black hair, and he had green eyes, and he had like an aqua and nose, and just gorgeous face. And so, he was like, he was, he was...

• 1:03:55Speaker 02

  Dashing.

• 1:03:55Karen Kilgariff?

  He was a dashing hottie.

• 1:03:57Speaker 02

  That reminds me, I forgot to tell you guys, we saw Benicio del Toro in the airport. It was really exciting. Yeah, he looked so hungover.

• 1:04:07Speaker 02

  It made me sad for him.

• 1:04:10Speaker 02

  Sorry.

• 1:04:11Karen Kilgariff?

  No.

• 1:04:11Speaker 02

  If he's here tonight, apologies.

• 1:04:13Karen Kilgariff?

  What if he was flying over to Canada?

• 1:04:17Karen Kilgariff?

  Suddenly, we pretend to be fans of Benicio del Toro. I love everything you've done.

• 1:04:23Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay, so, uh, so Billy Davis was a Hawkeye. Unfortunately, he was born with no legs.

• 1:04:32Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:04:32Karen Kilgariff?

  So, it wasn't supposed to be a joke. Ma'am, somebody is laughing insanely hard over there.

• 1:04:43Karen Kilgariff?

  So he ends up living in a place called the House of Industry, which is also known as the Dublin Poorhouse. And so, basically...

• 1:04:53Speaker 02

  That doesn't sound like what it means.

• 1:04:54Karen Kilgariff?

  No, I know. It's, it's, they're trying to gild the lily on that one a little bit. The first House of Industry was built in 1703, where, where today the St. James Hospital stands.

• 1:05:06Speaker 02

  Do you know that?

• 1:05:06Karen Kilgariff?

  So they don't know.

• 1:05:07Speaker 02

  They know that.

• 1:05:08Karen Kilgariff?

  So it was maintained, I love this fact. It was maintained by the taxes that people paid for their sedan chairs and their hackneyed carriages.

• 1:05:18Georgia Hardstark?

  I don't know what either of those things are.

• 1:05:19Karen Kilgariff?

  Sedan chairs are those things that you see in like period movies where four dudes No. carry a box with a rich lady inside on sticks. No. Yes, that's a sedan chair.

• 1:05:29Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, God.

• 1:05:30Karen Kilgariff?

  So it's like...

• 1:05:31Georgia Hardstark?

  I want to be like, fuck those women, but I bet their shoes hurt so bad constantly.

• 1:05:35Karen Kilgariff?

  And their corsets.

• 1:05:36Georgia Hardstark?

  Everything about...

• 1:05:37Karen Kilgariff?

  And their oppression.

• 1:05:38Georgia Hardstark?

  Being...

• 1:05:39Karen Kilgariff?

  All of it.

• 1:05:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Everything about it.

• 1:05:41Karen Kilgariff?

  Made them fainting.

• 1:05:42Georgia Hardstark?

  I'm like, get on that box.

• 1:05:45Karen Kilgariff?

  Get in the box. But those people that had carriages and sedan chairs had to pay an extra tax for them.

• 1:05:53Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, good.

• 1:05:54Karen Kilgariff?

  And that tax went to pay for the House of Industry.

• 1:05:55Georgia Hardstark?

  I like that.

• 1:05:56Karen Kilgariff?

  It was kind of, you know, it was a good setup.

• 1:05:57Georgia Hardstark?

  Let's bring those back.

• 1:05:58Karen Kilgariff?

  Except for, the House of Industry wasn't the best place in the world, as I'm sure you all know and can imagine. In 1805, a man named Sir John Carr wrote something called his Tour of Ireland. He described the House of Industry as, quote, "A gloomy abode of mingled want, disease, vice, and malady, where lunatics were loaded with heavy chains and fallen women bound and logged."

• 1:06:24Georgia Hardstark?

  Shit.

• 1:06:25Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:26Georgia Hardstark?

  That's heavy.

• 1:06:27Karen Kilgariff?

  No sedan chairs inside of the House of Industry. Also, you could, if you were a fallen woman, which, what, that meant you wore a dress like this? That basically you're fucking in there with all the worst of the worst. Bound and logged, which, whatever that fucking means, I don't want to know.

• 1:06:45Georgia Hardstark?

  Good luck with that.

• 1:06:47Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay, so also, a political theorist named Alexis de Tocqueville described the conditions of the inmates that he saw during his investigative tour of Ireland in 1835 as "the most hideous and disgusting aspect of destitution."

• 1:07:01Georgia Hardstark?

  Jesus.

• 1:07:02Karen Kilgariff?

  So it wasn't awesome there. They fed people, I think it said, once or twice a day with a soup that they made from collected scraps from the great houses. So wherever the rich people lived, they'd go by and get the scraps, they're shitty leftovers, and then put all that in a bowl and make a soup. And they're like, "Dinner time, everybody."

• 1:07:26Georgia Hardstark?

  On the one hand, I'm like, that's pretty cool, though. At least it's not something like what the horses were eating.

• 1:07:31Karen Kilgariff?

  Well, I mean, that's very positive of you. But...

• 1:07:34Georgia Hardstark?

  If they're noting it, it means it was bad.

• 1:07:38Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, it means this soup sucked. So, in 1773, this workhouse is reformed and it's split into a hospital for the mentally insane, a workhouse for the poor, and then a foundling hospital, primarily used for the safety and education of the admitted children. Now, they start talking about this foundling hospital, and it later comes under investigation because of the abnormally high mortality rates.

• 1:08:07Georgia Hardstark?

  Ooh.

• 1:08:08Karen Kilgariff?

  It turns out, four of the five children that are admitted to the foundling hospital die. Four of the fucking five.

• 1:08:15Georgia Hardstark?

  That's wild.

• 1:08:16Karen Kilgariff?

  And the investigations, they find strong evidence, that lady is so drunk, it is... She is at a totally different show. I'm reading about infant mortality rates, and she is peeing her fucking pants.

• 1:08:31Georgia Hardstark?

  It's a bank holiday. It's a fucking bank holiday.

• 1:08:35Karen Kilgariff?

  What if it's a ghost? Oh, my God. So, so the House of Commons stops allowing for new admissions to the foundling hospital in 1831. It took them 107 years to be like, you know what, it has to stop. Thousands of children have died.

• 1:08:55Georgia Hardstark?

  Like, they're better off on the streets, just close the door.

• 1:08:58Karen Kilgariff?

  But, well, let's wait one more year. Okay, 107 years have passed, we're gonna stop. So, when it's reformed, this House of Industry in 1773, it turns out there's no place for Billy Davis, because, and this is something good old Bobby Ahern read in his, in the Story Map story, that in the Minnet's book, it said, quote, "It is deemed resolved that the man in the bowl is not a proper person and is to be discharged from the House of Industry." So they decide, because he's handicapped, he is not a person.

• 1:09:33Georgia Hardstark?

  Oy.

• 1:09:34Karen Kilgariff?

  And they fucking kick him out.

• 1:09:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Shit.

• 1:09:36Karen Kilgariff?

  Which sucks. So, he's in the streets of Dublin, it's the mid to late 1700s now, and they say, at the time, 18th century Dublin was known for two things, all the amazing architectural buildings and beggars.

• 1:09:50Georgia Hardstark?

  Ooh.

• 1:09:51Karen Kilgariff?

  That's what there's the most of everywhere.

• 1:09:53Georgia Hardstark?

  I was gonna guess candy and...

• 1:09:55Karen Kilgariff?

  Soda bread?

• 1:09:57Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. I was hoping for it.

• 1:09:59Karen Kilgariff?

  No, you tried. So, but, but the good news is, things aren't all bad, because somewhere along the line, a kindly blacksmith took pity upon Billy and built him this weird, early version of a wheelchair, which was basically a big, huge iron bowl that he could sit in.

• 1:10:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 1:10:20Karen Kilgariff?

  And he stuck some wheels on it.

• 1:10:23Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 1:10:24Karen Kilgariff?

  And then Billy used two pieces of wood and pulled himself along in a bowl, and that's how he became known as Billy in the Bowl.

• 1:10:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Holy shit.

• 1:10:33Karen Kilgariff?

  So now picture this. When I first read this story, I didn't get that there were wheels on the bowl, so I just thought he was fucking dragging an iron bowl, like the worst CrossFit workout of all time.

• 1:10:48Georgia Hardstark?

  And you know all the cobblestone streets, so it's just jarring its teeth?

• 1:10:52Karen Kilgariff?

  It's just the loudest, heaviest situation anyone could be in.

• 1:10:57Georgia Hardstark?

  But he was hot.

• 1:10:58Karen Kilgariff?

  But he was hot. And that's, we can always go back to that when things get hard.

• 1:11:01Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:02Karen Kilgariff?

  Is that up here, everything was working out great for him. Because among all of the beggars, he actually was, of course, gorgeous and he was really charming, so he got a lot of pity and attention, and people would give him money. He also made friends with a lot of the servant girls, and he, I think he stole from the House of Industry style, so he would go back along the back of the great houses and they would give him scraps from the house, so he'd end up filling his bowl up.

• 1:11:30Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, no.

• 1:11:31Karen Kilgariff?

  As Bobby Ahern in the video says, "Like a big stew." He sits in his bowl like a big stew.

• 1:11:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:11:39Karen Kilgariff?

  Coins, little pieces of meat, I don't know. Okay, and so basically, this is, he is on the streets of Dublin for six years begging. And, but he, he drinks and he gambles, so as much as he makes and as well as he does being a beggar, a hot beggar on the street, you know, the money goes.

• 1:12:02Georgia Hardstark?

  Sure.

• 1:12:03Karen Kilgariff?

  So, now I've lost my place. So, he decides to embark on a life of crime. So, early one night in 1780, around dusk, Billy lays in wait until he sees a middle-aged woman coming up Grange Gorman Lane on her way to Queen Street. She's by herself, and he throws himself out of his bowl.

• 1:12:25Georgia Hardstark?

  Ay, ay, ay.

• 1:12:29Karen Kilgariff?

  Right? Pieces of meat go everywhere. Sorry, that's inappropriate. And he lays in the bushes, moaning and screaming, right? So then the lady's like, "Oh, no, something happened to somebody," and she goes over to see what's going on, and now you have to imagine, because he's spent years and years and years dragging himself around in a bowl, his upper body strength is fucking nutso. So, he has like crazy, a crazy upper body. Sorry. I just got this like pole dark kind of idea in my head of like, how hot, fucking, pole dark, right, Louise?

• 1:13:14Karen Kilgariff?

  You gotta watch that show, that guy's insane looking. But, basically, she leans down, this lady leans down to be like, "Are you okay?"

• 1:13:24Georgia Hardstark?

  It's like old school Ted Bundy style, like, "I'm hurt."

• 1:13:26Karen Kilgariff?

  Exactly. He's the original Ted Bundy, because then, she's like, "Are you okay, man in the ditch?"

• 1:13:33Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:34Karen Kilgariff?

  His huge power arms come out and just strangle her.

• 1:13:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, no.

• 1:13:38Karen Kilgariff?

  He chokes her out, he takes her purse, bowls away, as we know.

• 1:13:44Georgia Hardstark?

  Fucking clomping on those fucking cobblestones?

• 1:13:51Karen Kilgariff?

  Bobby Ahern says, "It was like he was going around in a canoe on the street."

• 1:13:55Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:13:56Karen Kilgariff?

  That's how he explained it.

• 1:13:57Georgia Hardstark?

  Bobby's the best.

• 1:13:58Karen Kilgariff?

  Bobby's the best. And he had a real glimmer in his eyes, he told this story. So, when the middle-aged lady wakes up, she has no fucking clue what just happened. She's just like, "I don't know who did it, I don't know what he looks like." She has no clue. Meanwhile, Billy in the Bowl has the perfect cover, because everybody, of course, writes him off, they don't know how insanely strong he is and pole dark he is underneath his shirt. They just go, "Oh, it's the poor crippled man," so he is never even slightly considered. He is, nobody even takes notice. And it's the perfect cover, so he then proceeds to do this crime constantly. This is now his new jam. So, that's up until 1786.

• 1:14:42Karen Kilgariff?

  Now, one night, he's, he's laying in wait, waiting for a woman to rob, but the one who comes along, as Bobby Ahern describes her, "She's a hefty servant girl."

• 1:14:57Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, shit.

• 1:14:59Karen Kilgariff?

  You better fucking watch out for us hefty servant girls. Do not fuck with us. So he goes to choke her out, and she's like, "I don't think so, man in the bowl."

• 1:15:18Georgia Hardstark?

  Love it.

• 1:15:19Karen Kilgariff?

  And she starts to fight him off, and she's starting to get away. He knows that if she gets away, his whole scheme is gonna be over, so he strangles her to death, and this is his first murder.

• 1:15:29Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, no.

• 1:15:30Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah. When her body's found the next day, it's a huge story, everybody goes nuts, they call it the 11 Grange Gorman Lane murder, and it's Ireland's first ever, oh, so Ireland had just assembled their first police force. This is how long ago this was. Pre-police.

• 1:15:48Georgia Hardstark?

  Damn. Garda.

• 1:15:50Karen Kilgariff?

  The Garda. Or the Gardie. You're changing it now that it's my story, now that she's done.

• 1:15:59Georgia Hardstark?

  It's both.

• 1:16:00Karen Kilgariff?

  They're just saying whatever they want, Louise. You say no? One Garda, two Gardie.

• 1:16:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Single appeal.

• 1:16:08Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay. Are you the one that was laughing earlier? Because I'm not listening to you, baby death laugher. One Garda!

• 1:16:21Georgia Hardstark?

  Two Gardie, got it.

• 1:16:28Karen Kilgariff?

  This is all information that will not help us in Oslo.

• 1:16:32Georgia Hardstark?

  But tomorrow night, everyone's gonna think we're really smart here.

• 1:16:34Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh shit.

• 1:16:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Thanks, you guys.

• 1:16:36Karen Kilgariff?

  Tomorrow night, we're gonna be like, no, you're pronouncing it wrong.

• 1:16:43Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, in all these articles, they called it the police force, so yeah. I don't know what you guys are... Anyhow, so basically, the case goes cold. Nobody suspects Billy and the Bull, of course. He's the charming, beautiful beggar. No one even looks at him. So he decides to lay low for like, six months. But of course, all of his bad habits get the best of him. He starts to run out of money. So he goes and he... So one night, he's on Richardson's Lane. Two women are walking along. It's dusk. Some say, in some stories, they're servant girls. In some stories, they're like, rich, well-to-do women. But either way, it was women who were kind of dressed up for the night on the town. So they had a lot of jewelry on and a lot of kind of overt richness.

• 1:17:26Karen Kilgariff?

  So Billy does his thing where he throws himself out of the bowl. But he doesn't see that there's two women. He just knows that someone's coming.

• 1:17:34Georgia Hardstark?

  Does he hide his giant bowl on wheels?

• 1:17:39Karen Kilgariff?

  You know what he does is he also carries around a big ficus plant. And so he'll just go ahead and pull that plant over. It looks like this amazing gorgeous planter on wheels.

• 1:17:49Georgia Hardstark?

  I love it if it was like a Looney Tunes-style skyline of like, the Warner Brothers studio.

• 1:17:54Karen Kilgariff?

  He folds the bowl up real small and puts him in his pocket and then lays down in the bushes.

• 1:17:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh my god.

• 1:18:00Karen Kilgariff?

  I can't account for the bowl.

• 1:18:01Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 1:18:03Karen Kilgariff?

  The man-sized bowl that he rolls around in. He pulls it backwards, parks it.

• 1:18:07Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:08Karen Kilgariff?

  Parks it facing out.

• 1:18:09Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:10Karen Kilgariff?

  Gets out, gets into the bushes.

• 1:18:14Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:14Karen Kilgariff?

  So...

• 1:18:15Georgia Hardstark?

  Some holes in this story.

• 1:18:17Karen Kilgariff?

  This whole thing is fake, obviously. But who cares?

• 1:18:22Karen Kilgariff?

  So when the women come up, he's doing the thing where he's doing his cries for help. The women approach.

• 1:18:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Uh oh.

• 1:18:28Karen Kilgariff?

  He sees that their money, their jewelry, their money. They opened their purse to give him money. He can't control himself. He grabs one woman.

• 1:18:40Georgia Hardstark?

  No.

• 1:18:40Karen Kilgariff?

  He doesn't see that there's the other woman. He just sees the one in front of him. He starts to strangle her.

• 1:18:45Georgia Hardstark?

  Uh oh.

• 1:18:46Karen Kilgariff?

  And then the woman behind her pulls out her fucking hat pin.

• 1:18:51Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 1:18:52Karen Kilgariff?

  Remember old hat pins that are like this long?

• 1:18:54Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh shit.

• 1:18:55Karen Kilgariff?

  And she jams it into his right eye.

• 1:19:02Georgia Hardstark?

  We're glad, we're happy, we're happy, but it's hard.

• 1:19:07Karen Kilgariff?

  There's nothing that makes Irish people clap more than piercing an eye with a pin. They love it.

• 1:19:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh man, that's, I'm just gonna... We need to start wearing hats again.

• 1:19:17Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes, that's right. I just don't understand how you put that on your head and don't then jam it into your own skull.

• 1:19:24Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 1:19:25Karen Kilgariff?

  But it worked out great because they run up to... Hold on, I'll tell you.

• 1:19:34Georgia Hardstark?

  Where do they go, Karen?

• 1:19:35Karen Kilgariff?

  They run up to a street.

• 1:19:37Georgia Hardstark?

  It's gonna be somewhere fun, I bet. I bet it's gonna be somewhere...

• 1:19:42Karen Kilgariff?

  Manor Street. They run up to Manor Street.

• 1:19:44Georgia Hardstark?

  Was that fun?

• 1:19:45Karen Kilgariff?

  They run up to Manor Street, which is an amazing street. You have to see it. And there's a group of people there. In that group of people, there's a new garda who's like, hey, I'm just learning how to do this. Let me help.

• 1:19:58Georgia Hardstark?

  Let me get my baton out.

• 1:20:00Karen Kilgariff?

  That's right.

• 1:20:00Georgia Hardstark?

  Finally.

• 1:20:01Karen Kilgariff?

  Their old, old baton.

• 1:20:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Run down and they find Billy laying on the street with his eye out. And they finally realize that they had, this is who the strangler was. So someone goes and grabs, I guess that he must, the bowl must have been elsewhere. Because they went and got a wheelbarrow and put him in it.

• 1:20:20Georgia Hardstark?

  Shit, oh.

• 1:20:22Karen Kilgariff?

  And took him up to the Green Street Prison. So...

• 1:20:25Georgia Hardstark?

  What a bummer.

• 1:20:26Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, it's, the whole thing is horrifying.

• 1:20:30Karen Kilgariff?

  So they could not prove that he was the strangler. They didn't have the evidence to connect it to the other murders. But they had him for this one. So he was convicted for robbery with violence.

• 1:20:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 1:20:40Karen Kilgariff?

  And he was sentenced to hard labor at the Green Street Prison.

• 1:20:48Karen Kilgariff?

  What's that, some kind of a sex reference that I'm not getting?

• 1:20:51Georgia Hardstark?

  No, they're, because he doesn't have legs.

• 1:20:56Georgia Hardstark?

  So we're wondering if he got his bowl.

• 1:20:58Karen Kilgariff?

  It's so small-minded of you to think that you can only do labor with your legs. What about this? What about lifting things? What about handing someone something over and over? Here, I got it. I will pass that salt for the rest of my life.

• 1:21:14Georgia Hardstark?

  Karen, hard labor is passing salt.

• 1:21:19Karen Kilgariff?

  If you make a really loud noise as you pass it, it counts as hard labor. Ah, god, I'm sick of it.

• 1:21:30Karen Kilgariff?

  So basically, he's convicted and he has to stay there for the rest of his life.

• 1:21:36Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh good.

• 1:21:37Karen Kilgariff?

  There was a super creepy thing that they used to do. I don't know when they stopped doing it. The rich would go and visit prisons and mental institutions as like, just as a night out. So apparently, he became like a sideshow at the prison.

• 1:21:52Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, because he has one eye now.

• 1:21:53Karen Kilgariff?

  He's got the one eye. I don't know if that eye came all the way out.

• 1:21:56Georgia Hardstark?

  The other one's beautiful.

• 1:21:58Karen Kilgariff?

  It's so hot, gorgeous green.

• 1:22:00Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, and the other one's...

• 1:22:00Karen Kilgariff?

  With the black, what a great combination.

• 1:22:06Georgia Hardstark?

  I didn't get it.

• 1:22:09Karen Kilgariff?

  And they go watch him pass salt all the time. It's disgusting. And they say that on some dark nights in the Grange, Gorman, Stony Butter district.

• 1:22:18Georgia Hardstark?

  Uh-uh.

• 1:22:18Karen Kilgariff?

  You can hear a strange, strange noise coming up behind you.

• 1:22:24Karen Kilgariff?

  They don't like it when I do the accent.

• 1:22:25Georgia Hardstark?

  I know. I like it a lot more. You're not insulting me, so I think it's great.

• 1:22:31Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay, great. They really do say, and there's a place called Hidden Dublin that gives ghost tours. And it's on the walk, it's the North Side Ghost Walk Tour that you can take. And they say that the ghost of Billy and the Bull haunts the area where he...

• 1:22:47Georgia Hardstark?

  After-party, after-party, tonight.

• 1:22:50Karen Kilgariff?

  What is it? Hold on, we have to consult with Louise really quick. What is it?

• 1:22:54Georgia Hardstark?

  Louise, what's wrong?

• 1:22:54Speaker 03

  I actually live in Stony Butter, so if you want to have an after-party, that's...

• 1:22:57Georgia Hardstark?

  Great.

• 1:22:58Karen Kilgariff?

  We're going to Louise's after this.

• 1:23:02Karen Kilgariff?

  Louise is after. balcony, Louise is after.

• 1:23:04Georgia Hardstark?

  Just don't wake up her flatmate. She's past her work tomorrow. He's in London, great.

• 1:23:12Karen Kilgariff?

  The guy comes out in his underwear. You guys, come on.

• 1:23:15Georgia Hardstark?

  Not every day's a bank holiday.

• 1:23:18Karen Kilgariff?

  And there's also, Billy and the Bull is referenced in a Dubliner song and in a Pog song. So he's legend. And that's the story of Billy and the Bull.

• 1:23:25Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:27Karen Kilgariff?

  Hey!

• 1:23:28Georgia Hardstark?

  That was great.

• 1:23:29Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:29Georgia Hardstark?

  Good job.

• 1:23:35Karen Kilgariff?

  We did it!

• 1:23:38Karen Kilgariff?

  Thank you.

• 1:23:43Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, we're back from Karen's very Irish story. Do you have any updates?

• 1:23:48Karen Kilgariff?

  I do. In prison, Billy was assigned hard labor. He died there. He was buried at an unmarked grave in an unknown location.

• 1:23:58Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, now we're gonna go back and we're gonna listen to this epic hometown from our first time we were ever in Dublin audience.

• 1:24:11Speaker 02

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• 1:24:15Karen Kilgariff?

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• 1:24:50Speaker 02

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• 1:25:17Karen Kilgariff?

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• 1:25:18Speaker 02

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• 1:25:24Karen Kilgariff?

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• 1:27:05Karen Kilgariff?

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• 1:27:11Karen Kilgariff?

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• 1:27:18Georgia Hardstark?

  I think we have time for a quick hometown.

• 1:27:21Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, let's do a quick hometown murder.

• 1:27:22Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:25Karen Kilgariff?

  Let me just tell you, really quick, you might know these rules already, but we had to enforce some rules with the hometowns. You can't be so drunk that you can't follow your own story. It's important, you have to stay present. You have to be, you have to know where you're going. We don't. That's key. But don't be afraid to be super buzzed. Please make it Dublin or close by. Nobody gives a shit if something happened in Arizona.

• 1:27:51Karen Kilgariff?

  And what else? Oh.

• 1:27:53Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, everyone hates you.

• 1:27:54Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, yeah. If you do get picked, all the people that don't get picked are gonna hate your guts, so keep it moving. And Georgia, I think it's you, right?

• 1:28:03Georgia Hardstark?

  I'm on a fucking roll, so don't ruin this for me, guys. Who has a hometown? Nobody?

• 1:28:11Georgia Hardstark?

  I think that the girl sitting next to our friends that helped us. Yeah, yeah, and the toxic masculinity. Where'd Vince go? Vince is right there. Walk over to him.

• 1:28:18Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, there's Vince, everybody.

• 1:28:24Georgia Hardstark?

  Vince got us a lovely charcuterie and cheese spread backstage.

• 1:28:29Karen Kilgariff?

  Vince is our tour manager. He's Georgia's husband.

• 1:28:32Georgia Hardstark?

  That's right.

• 1:28:32Karen Kilgariff?

  He does it all.

• 1:28:33Georgia Hardstark?

  He does it, which means we don't have to pay him.

• 1:28:37Georgia Hardstark?

  No, we pay him sometimes.

• 1:28:38Karen Kilgariff?

  That's hard labor. He's doing his hard labor for free.

• 1:28:40Georgia Hardstark?

  His hard stark labor.

• 1:28:43Karen Kilgariff?

  What?

• 1:28:43Georgia Hardstark?

  His hard stark labor.

• 1:28:44Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, right.

• 1:28:46Georgia Hardstark?

  That's so good. Hi.

• 1:28:50Georgia Hardstark?

  What's your name?

• 1:28:51Speaker 04

  Eva.

• 1:28:52Georgia Hardstark?

  Ethel?

• 1:28:52Speaker 04

  Eva.

• 1:28:53Georgia Hardstark?

  Eva.

• 1:28:54Karen Kilgariff?

  Hi.

• 1:28:54Georgia Hardstark?

  That's cute. Eva.

• 1:28:57Karen Kilgariff?

  Here, center up, center up, center up.

• 1:28:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Look at her shoes.

• 1:29:00Karen Kilgariff?

  Let's do a nice stage picture.

• 1:29:02Georgia Hardstark?

  Those are great.

• 1:29:02Karen Kilgariff?

  Will you tell me your name, sorry?

• 1:29:03Speaker 04

  Eva.

• 1:29:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Eva? Awesome. Eva, everybody.

• 1:29:10Karen Kilgariff?

  Where are you from?

• 1:29:11Speaker 04

  I'm from Kerry.

• 1:29:12Karen Kilgariff?

  You're from Kerry?

• 1:29:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:29:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Kerry, she's from Kerry. You guys know it. Did she say it right?

• 1:29:19Karen Kilgariff?

  I'm sorry, it's Kari.

• 1:29:21Georgia Hardstark?

  Jesus. Okay, what's your hometown?

• 1:29:25Speaker 04

  So my mom is from Westmeath, and she's from this tiny village. Like, there's not even as many people as there is here.

• 1:29:32Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, fun.

• 1:29:34Speaker 04

  It's called Cool. And, um...

• 1:29:36Karen Kilgariff?

  Cool. Too easy. Sorry, sorry.

• 1:29:39Speaker 04

  So a family from Dublin moved out there years ago. And the father worked in England. So he'd be back and forth, and then they just stopped seeing him.

• 1:29:51Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh.

• 1:29:52Speaker 04

  And then they moved away, and they hadn't really got involved with the community, so it was fine, nobody cared.

• 1:30:01Speaker 04

  But then they went, the daughter went to the gardie.

• 1:30:05Karen Kilgariff?

  Multiple garda. Got it. Message received.

• 1:30:10Speaker 04

  And told them that they had killed him a few years back, and buried them, buried him in their garden.

• 1:30:19Karen Kilgariff?

  Gardie.

• 1:30:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Garden. Got it. Garden.

• 1:30:26Speaker 04

  And then they dug him up and burnt him somewhere else.

• 1:30:29Georgia Hardstark?

  The family did?

• 1:30:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:30:31Georgia Hardstark?

  What dicks?

• 1:30:33Speaker 04

  And then she decided to go to the gardie because she found out her mother was having an affair with her boyfriend.

• 1:30:40Karen Kilgariff?

  Her own boyfriend?

• 1:30:43Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, wait. Who's related?

• 1:30:46Karen Kilgariff?

  First of all.

• 1:30:47Georgia Hardstark?

  Let's start with the top.

• 1:30:49Karen Kilgariff?

  No. Wait. So when they killed the father?

• 1:30:53Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:30:54Karen Kilgariff?

  Was it the mother's idea?

• 1:30:55Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:30:56Karen Kilgariff?

  And she...

• 1:30:56Speaker 04

  The mother and the boyfriend.

• 1:30:59Karen Kilgariff?

  They tricked the kids?

• 1:31:00Speaker 04

  They tricked the daughter into killing him.

• 1:31:05Georgia Hardstark?

  No way.

• 1:31:08Karen Kilgariff?

  It's her cousin.

• 1:31:11Karen Kilgariff?

  What's, who is it?

• 1:31:14Georgia Hardstark?

  She looks nice. She doesn't look mad.

• 1:31:17Karen Kilgariff?

  You better come up here right now.

• 1:31:23Georgia Hardstark?

  She looks nice. It was like just down the road from my mom's house.

• 1:31:28Karen Kilgariff?

  Maybe you're related.

• 1:31:29Georgia Hardstark?

  No way.

• 1:31:30Karen Kilgariff?

  Vince.

• 1:31:33Karen Kilgariff?

  Go around here.

• 1:31:36Karen Kilgariff?

  Hurry, hurry, hurry, hurry. We gotta hear this. What the hell's going on? Move it.

• 1:31:43Georgia Hardstark?

  This is unprecedented.

• 1:31:48Georgia Hardstark?

  She's her cousin. She's like, she said, she yelled, "It's my cousin." And then I was like, "Oh, shit." And then I saw her face, and she doesn't look angry, so we're good. It's gonna be okay.

• 1:31:57Karen Kilgariff?

  This is the great fear that we always have.

• 1:31:59Georgia Hardstark?

  You were really fucked up over this. PTSD, okay. Eva's doing great.

• 1:32:10Karen Kilgariff?

  What's your name?

• 1:32:14Speaker 04

  Hi.

• 1:32:17Georgia Hardstark?

  What's your name?

• 1:32:17Karen Kilgariff?

  That's Eva, right?

• 1:32:18Georgia Hardstark?

  What is it?

• 1:32:19Karen Kilgariff?

  Eva.

• 1:32:21Speaker 04

  Hi.

• 1:32:22Georgia Hardstark?

  Meet Eva.

• 1:32:25Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay. They're sharing. Do it in the microphones.

• 1:32:34Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, so your cousin. Who's your cousin?

• 1:32:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Don't talk blindly on stage, please.

• 1:32:39Speaker 04

  We were going to email in about our auntie. But we decided not to, because you wanted to save it for later. But then Eva came on stage and told all about her auntie. Okay, it's not an auntie that we talked to.

• 1:33:03Karen Kilgariff?

  You know the kind.

• 1:33:04Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, we got those.

• 1:33:05Speaker 04

  You know we know what she's done.

• 1:33:07Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:33:09Speaker 04

  And we know she has a book.

• 1:33:11Georgia Hardstark?

  A book?

• 1:33:12Speaker 04

  She wrote a book about her.

• 1:33:14Georgia Hardstark?

  You don't get to do that if you're the murderer.

• 1:33:16Karen Kilgariff?

  Wait, so will you run? Will you run it down for us just really quick of like...

• 1:33:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, we see, we don't.

• 1:33:21Georgia Hardstark?

  You don't talk about it?

• 1:33:22Speaker 04

  No, no. Do you see?

• 1:33:23Georgia Hardstark?

  Everyone in Cool.

• 1:33:24Speaker 04

  The parents, you ask the parents, and they're like, "Oh, no."

• 1:33:26Georgia Hardstark?

  We don't talk about that.

• 1:33:28Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, they won't tell you anything?

• 1:33:29Speaker 04

  We can't. It's a book.

• 1:33:31Georgia Hardstark?

  Just tell us. We won't tell anyone. We're not gonna tell anyone, right?

• 1:33:35Speaker 04

  You, we're keeping it here. There was, there was a bonfire.

• 1:33:39Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:40Speaker 04

  There was also a under patio.

• 1:33:43Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:44Speaker 04

  And then they decided that wasn't good enough. So they brought it up and went to the pigs.

• 1:33:53Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, shit.

• 1:33:56Speaker 04

  But the family don't associate with that, no, it's like...

• 1:33:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 1:34:00Karen Kilgariff?

  Eva just goes, "I didn't get to the pigs part."

• 1:34:02Speaker 04

  I forgot. My mom didn't know the pigs part.

• 1:34:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, she didn't know.

• 1:34:07Speaker 04

  I'm so glad we're here.

• 1:34:08Karen Kilgariff?

  You guys, this all stays in this room tonight. Please, please, don't tell anyone.

• 1:34:15Speaker 04

  There was bits left in the pig. That's how they found out.

• 1:34:19Karen Kilgariff?

  That's how they proved that...

• 1:34:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, but it was the mother, who's the daughter's husband.

• 1:34:29Speaker 04

  So the daughter went to the gardie.

• 1:34:32Georgia Hardstark?

  To the gardie. Multiple.

• 1:34:34Speaker 04

  And said, "Hey, there's something shitty on us."

• 1:34:38Georgia Hardstark?

  Good for her. A woman scorn, man. Like, fucking, watch it.

• 1:34:42Speaker 04

  So she brought out a book and said, "Hey, fuck you."

• 1:34:46Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:34:49Georgia Hardstark?

  It was like a diary?

• 1:34:50Speaker 04

  I can't remember. Our family walked out of us.

• 1:34:55Karen Kilgariff?

  And so she's in jail now? She's gone.

• 1:34:57Speaker 04

  She's in jail now.

• 1:34:58Karen Kilgariff?

  She's out, and she's like, "I'm right here."

• 1:35:00Speaker 04

  There's murder.

• 1:35:05Speaker 04

  The wife was found for murder.

• 1:35:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:07Speaker 04

  The daughter's husband was found for manslaughter. I will find out the name of the book. If I have it.

• 1:35:14Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, great.

• 1:35:15Speaker 04

  And I will, I'll come up.

• 1:35:16Georgia Hardstark?

  I'm not gonna read it.

• 1:35:17Speaker 04

  And shout it out to you.

• 1:35:19Georgia Hardstark?

  I love it.

• 1:35:20Karen Kilgariff?

  You guys, this is an amazing seven-part series right now that we have.

• 1:35:24Georgia Hardstark?

  Give it a round of applause.

• 1:35:26Karen Kilgariff?

  Let's cheer for all of these guys.

• 1:35:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Good job. Jesus Christ.

• 1:35:44Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:35:46Karen Kilgariff?

  We'll call you guys later.

• 1:35:48Georgia Hardstark?

  That could have been a fucking classic fuck. And it wasn't, and I'm so grateful for that. I'm sweating a little extra, but...

• 1:35:56Karen Kilgariff?

  I love that they came up and they had less information than Eva did. Fuck, yes. That's what it's all about. It would've been cool if we'd get like 30 people on the stage just milling around of like, "Well, I've heard this story. I would like to say this and that."

• 1:36:12Georgia Hardstark?

  You forgot the part of the pig, the chickens. You forgot the chickens.

• 1:36:19Karen Kilgariff?

  All right, that was our first show in Dublin. It was originally entitled "Live at Vicar Street in Dublin." But if we are naming it today, we have many choices of what we could name it.

• 1:36:32Georgia Hardstark?

  "Please Whisper" is a great one, I think. If I'm gonna be boring, please whisper.

• 1:36:37Karen Kilgariff?

  If you're gonna be boring, please whisper. "High on Brew" is really good.

• 1:36:43Georgia Hardstark?

  "Redundant Bear." "Furry Bear."

• 1:36:46Karen Kilgariff?

  "De Classe" was good.

• 1:36:48Georgia Hardstark?

  "A Big Ficus Plant."

• 1:36:50Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, we're just, there's so many choices.

• 1:36:53Georgia Hardstark?

  We could do it all.

• 1:36:54Karen Kilgariff?

  Well, that's this week's episode of Rewind.

• 1:36:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Thanks for listening. Let's go back to 2018 Dublin to say goodbye.

• 1:37:03Georgia Hardstark?

  That was...

• 1:37:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Dublin.

• 1:37:04Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:05Karen Kilgariff?

  This has been amazing.

• 1:37:06Georgia Hardstark?

  So good.

• 1:37:07Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:37:09Georgia Hardstark?

  Thank you. Thank you to our translators.

• 1:37:12Karen Kilgariff?

  Emily? You made it happen.

• 1:37:15Georgia Hardstark?

  Brett Rose.

• 1:37:16Karen Kilgariff?

  Louise, thank you so much.

• 1:37:18Georgia Hardstark?

  This is a really, really awesome way to kick off our tour, our big Europe tour, our big UK and Ireland tour.

• 1:37:25Karen Kilgariff?

  And Dublin, you guys not only are our kickoff show, you sold out two nights.

• 1:37:30Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:31Karen Kilgariff?

  That's so amazing.

• 1:37:33Georgia Hardstark?

  Thank you.

• 1:37:35Karen Kilgariff?

  We can't, um, it's very difficult for us to convey how insane this is, where we just started taping our personal conversations at Georgia's house two years ago, and now we're in Ireland talking to a thousand people. I mean...

• 1:37:53Georgia Hardstark?

  It's fucking amazing. We're honored, and we know it's all because of you guys, obviously, and we appreciate it so much, and we're so grateful to be here.

• 1:38:01Karen Kilgariff?

  We have the best time, and it's because you guys are, you're the best listeners and the best people to talk to about this crazy fucked up shit that we're all so fascinated by. So thank you so much, and stay sexy.

• 1:38:13Georgia Hardstark?

  And jump.

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