515 - 10 Year Anniversary Special!

Karen and Georgia celebrate their 10-year anniversary by reviewing the top 10 listener-voted MFM moments with a very special guest. For our sources, please visit https://www.myfavoritemurder.com/episodes. Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3UFCn1g. Head to social media to share your favorite moments from this episode. Instagram: instagram.com/myfavoritemurder http://instagram.com/myfavoritemurder Facebook: facebook.com/myfavoritemurder http://facebook.com/myfavoritemurder TikTok: tiktok.com/@my_favorite_murder http://tiktok.com/@my_favorite_murder Watch full episodes of My Favorite Murder on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@my_favorite_murder Send your hometown stories to [email protected] mailto:[email protected]. Join the Fan Cult to access ad-free episodes of My Favorite Murder. Members also receive merch store discounts, exclusive audio and video content and more! Visit www.fancult.supercast.com http://www.fancult.supercast.com/ to join. Shop for My Favorite Murder and other Exactly Right merchandise here: www.exactlyrightstore.com http://www.exactlyrightstore.com/. Rate, review and follow My Favorite Murder on the iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you like to listen. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 1:26Karen Kilgariff?

  Hello. Hello. And welcome. To my favorite murder. Year 10. This is the 10-year freaking anniversary. We have done this podcast, we have said these words to you, listener. Yeah. For 10 years. That's crazy. For a podcast? Yeah. It's unnatural. It doesn't make sense. It goes against God's will. God's will of podcasting.

• 1:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, that's Georgia Hardstark.

• 1:52Georgia Hardstark?

  That's Karen Kilgariff. Did you ever think that this would become what it's become?

• 1:56Karen Kilgariff?

  No, it's wild.

• 1:57Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 1:58Karen Kilgariff?

  It's a decade of podcasting.

• 2:01Georgia Hardstark?

  Totally. I mean, we just kept saying yes to things and they kept happening.

• 2:05Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 2:06Georgia Hardstark?

  And that's like what has brought us here today, from my apartment to the Pod Loft to...

• 2:12Karen Kilgariff?

  Carnegie Hall. Wait, we've never played Carnegie Hall.

• 2:16Georgia Hardstark?

  No.

• 2:16Karen Kilgariff?

  Ryman Hall.

• 2:17Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. Sydney Opera House. That's right.

• 2:21Karen Kilgariff?

  That fancy place in London.

• 2:24Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:25Karen Kilgariff?

  Very fancy and very historical.

• 2:28Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 2:28Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, we've done a lot of amazing things.

• 2:30Georgia Hardstark?

  We have done.

• 2:31Karen Kilgariff?

  By basically chatting about our hobby.

• 2:34Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. It's been incredible. It's just, it's silly because I can't even put into words the way my life has changed since we started in 10 years. I feel so monumental and so huge and so important. And that's why I can't even begin to like fathom.

• 2:52Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 2:52Georgia Hardstark?

  You know?

• 2:53Karen Kilgariff?

  So the actual date was the 13th of January or the 16th of January?

• 2:58Georgia Hardstark?

  It was the 16th.

• 2:58Karen Kilgariff?

  It was the 16th?

• 2:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 3:00Karen Kilgariff?

  I think it was the 13th.

• 3:01Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 3:01Karen Kilgariff?

  So the actual date was the 13th?

• 3:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 3:05Karen Kilgariff?

  Do you know my mom died on the 9th?

• 3:07Georgia Hardstark?

  Holy shit. You started podcasting days after your mom died?

• 3:11Karen Kilgariff?

  Well, with Alzheimer's, it starts a long time before, but I only mention that not to be, you know,

• 3:18Georgia Hardstark?

  No.

• 3:19Karen Kilgariff?

  like that were, but my sister brought that up this morning because she's like, that's not a coincidence. I'm like, it's not a coincidence.

• 3:25Georgia Hardstark?

  Really?

• 3:26Karen Kilgariff?

  I don't think so. I mean, to be woo-woo, just to kick it off in the woo-woo-est way. If anyone's watching over me and helping me make my dreams come true, it's my mom.

• 3:37Georgia Hardstark?

  My god.

• 3:39Karen Kilgariff?

  You know?

• 3:39Georgia Hardstark?

  Pat up there giving you the...

• 3:41Karen Kilgariff?

  Just being bossy and pushing her way to the front and just being like, sorry, I realize other people have been here a while, but we need to get some stuff taken care of.

• 3:49Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow.

• 3:49Karen Kilgariff?

  Because her house is going into foreclosure.

• 3:55Georgia Hardstark?

  Right. I mean, yeah, all the things, all the things we've done and wanted to do. And then, I mean, yeah, I feel very, very lucky and grateful to Pat.

• 4:07Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, to Pat, to Janet, to everybody who got us here.

• 4:10Georgia Hardstark?

  That's right. I have a present for you.

• 4:12Karen Kilgariff?

  From me?

• 4:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 4:13Karen Kilgariff?

  Uh, I have one for you, too.

• 4:15Georgia Hardstark?

  See, I got you one because I thought you would, because you always do it.

• 4:18Karen Kilgariff?

  I don't.

• 4:19Georgia Hardstark?

  It's like, shit, oh, my God, I didn't have to do it.

• 4:21Karen Kilgariff?

  I, wait a second, I got you this beautiful ceramic coffee thing.

• 4:26Georgia Hardstark?

  I mean, it's silly. It's not like a special thing. It's just like funny and it made me laugh. And I figured I might as well give it to you now.

• 4:32Karen Kilgariff?

  Great.

• 4:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Because I'll forget by your birthday.

• 4:34Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay.

• 4:34Georgia Hardstark?

  So, happy 10 year anniversary.

• 4:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, my God, honey.

• 4:40Karen Kilgariff?

  I just pull it right out?

• 4:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 4:45Karen Kilgariff?

  Let's find out about magnets.

• 4:47Georgia Hardstark?

  It's a vintage book that just says magnets.

• 4:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 4:50Georgia Hardstark?

  With two little vintage kids playing with magnets. It's like a science book.

• 4:56Karen Kilgariff?

  Clearly an old library book.

• 4:57Georgia Hardstark?

  Totally.

• 4:58Karen Kilgariff?

  That they ripped that old check it out pocket out of, oh.

• 5:01Georgia Hardstark?

  Isn't that incredible?

• 5:03Karen Kilgariff?

  A long time ago in ancient Greece. Wait, I'm going to tell you what year it's from. Georgia, this is the most, oh, there's all the stickers. This is from Los Angeles City School Library.

• 5:15Georgia Hardstark?

  Let me guess, what year? 66?

• 5:17Karen Kilgariff?

  Ooh, 67.

• 5:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Shit!

• 5:20Karen Kilgariff?

  So close.

• 5:21Georgia Hardstark?

  I can't believe I got that close.

• 5:22Karen Kilgariff?

  I can. You've like doused yourself in shit like this for so long.

• 5:28Georgia Hardstark?

  That fucking champagne glass of Diet Coke is going over at some point.

• 5:32Karen Kilgariff?

  Watch it.

• 5:34Georgia Hardstark?

  You're going to down the whole thing?

• 5:35Karen Kilgariff?

  Hmm.

• 5:36Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 5:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Thank you so much.

• 5:38Georgia Hardstark?

  I, I know you love coffee table books.

• 5:40Karen Kilgariff?

  I really do.

• 5:40Georgia Hardstark?

  But I just thought that one was the funniest.

• 5:42Karen Kilgariff?

  I really love it. That's so good. Thank you so much.

• 5:45Georgia Hardstark?

  Happy anniversary.

• 5:46Karen Kilgariff?

  Happy anniversary. Here's the pen you've always wanted.

• 5:51Georgia Hardstark?

  Thank you.

• 5:51Karen Kilgariff?

  Can I put this here by Elvis?

• 5:53Georgia Hardstark?

  Absolutely, with the tinfoil hat on. Because so 10 years, a decade anniversary gift is tin.

• 6:00Karen Kilgariff?

  Is tin.

• 6:01Georgia Hardstark?

  Or.

• 6:02Karen Kilgariff?

  Aluminum?

• 6:02Georgia Hardstark?

  Aluminum, which what the fuck does that even?

• 6:04Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, good luck, couples who have to deal with that.

• 6:08Georgia Hardstark?

  Well, according to brides.com, the decade-long anniversary gift is traditionally tin or aluminum, which symbolizes the strength and resilience of your marriage.

• 6:17Karen Kilgariff?

  Hey.

• 6:17Georgia Hardstark?

  I mean.

• 6:18Karen Kilgariff?

  The proof is in the pudding.

• 6:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 6:20Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean.

• 6:20Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 6:21Karen Kilgariff?

  It's.

• 6:21Georgia Hardstark?

  Teflon, that's us.

• 6:23Karen Kilgariff?

  That's right. There's been a lot of, and I've said this, and people have said it to me too, where it's like, and you've said it to me.

• 6:30Georgia Hardstark?

  Mm-hmm.

• 6:30Karen Kilgariff?

  You and I are the only ones who know what this has been like.

• 6:34Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 6:34Karen Kilgariff?

  In this way, this firsthand way.

• 6:36Georgia Hardstark?

  Totally.

• 6:37Karen Kilgariff?

  It's really weird because it is this very singular experience. It's very, very estranged, like winning the lottery style experience, but, but way better.

• 6:47Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 6:48Karen Kilgariff?

  But then there's just this other person in the world that's also like, yep, I was there too.

• 6:52Georgia Hardstark?

  It's so, like, you know, Vince has been there with us the whole time.

• 6:56Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 6:56Georgia Hardstark?

  He can experience it, he has, he can, you know, talk about it, but like, it being about you, it's so much pressure, it's, there's so much writing on you not being a stupid fucking asshole. You know, like, it's just a lot of pressure.

• 7:12Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 7:12Georgia Hardstark?

  And a lot of, like, big experiences.

• 7:15Karen Kilgariff?

  And experiences.

• 7:15Georgia Hardstark?

  We're the only ones who know what that's exactly like.

• 7:17Karen Kilgariff?

  And there's no training for what we have experienced because there, there might be now.

• 7:25Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, exactly. There, I think there is now, but when 2016, when we started doing this, there was not anything like this out there, which is fucking cool, I think.

• 7:34Karen Kilgariff?

  It's pretty cool. Well, hats off to Last Podcast on the Left.

• 7:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes, always.

• 7:37Karen Kilgariff?

  They were, they were the first, they were the original true crime.

• 7:40Georgia Hardstark?

  They were. We definitely, we definitely use them as a jumping off point of like what it could be.

• 7:45Karen Kilgariff?

  But I think that idea of like, I think before that, podcasts were very niche, very like, you know, dependent on what you're into, but like comedy nerds, like comedy podcasts or true crime obsessives were listening to true crime, but. This idea that like, it's all gonna get elevated, people are gonna pay more attention, more people are gonna come.

• 8:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 8:07Karen Kilgariff?

  And that means you have to be media literate.

• 8:09Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 8:10Karen Kilgariff?

  You have to be aware of what you're saying and, you know, say the facts.

• 8:14Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 8:14Karen Kilgariff?

  Don't spread misinformation. There's like, a real responsibility that just was not there when we started.

• 8:21Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 8:21Karen Kilgariff?

  And we weren't aware of.

• 8:22Georgia Hardstark?

  Right. And we kind of, I think the fact that we were able to like...

• 8:25Karen Kilgariff?

  We adapted.

• 8:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Thank you.

• 8:28Karen Kilgariff?

  We did that a lot.

• 8:29Georgia Hardstark?

  We adapted on the fly, and I think that's really a big part of this. But obviously, the biggest part is our listeners and you guys, like, sticking with us and, like, going on this crazy, yes, I'll say it, journey.

• 8:43Karen Kilgariff?

  It has been a true spiritual journey.

• 8:46Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. And none of it would happen if you guys weren't listening, so thank you so fucking much.

• 8:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, that part of it, to me, has been the most unbelievable, mind-blowing.

• 8:55Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 8:55Karen Kilgariff?

  Because the amount of people and the love and passion with which they talk to us.

• 9:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 9:03Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, I'm just talking about the ones who have talked to us.

• 9:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 9:06Karen Kilgariff?

  And the ones who have played along with us this whole time.

• 9:09Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 9:09Karen Kilgariff?

  Like, it's just an incredible gift, obviously.

• 9:13Georgia Hardstark?

  It's a very special, it feels like a once-in-a-lifetime thing, and...

• 9:18Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, I wanna do it again, though. Differently.

• 9:22Georgia Hardstark?

  Can we, please, not?

• 9:23Karen Kilgariff?

  Could we never again?

• 9:25Georgia Hardstark?

  Um, should we get into it?

• 9:29Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, we still have to do business. Look, we're very responsible podcasters, obviously, so we know there's some reading to be done right now.

• 9:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Right. We've had to become responsible podcasters.

• 9:39Karen Kilgariff?

  They gave us a network.

• 9:40Georgia Hardstark?

  It only took us a decade.

• 9:42Karen Kilgariff?

  That's right.

• 9:42Georgia Hardstark?

  But look at us now.

• 9:44Karen Kilgariff?

  We've really built it up. You know, there's all kinds of podcasts on our network.

• 9:47Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. Hey, here's a couple of podcasts that are on Exactly Right Media.

• 9:51Karen Kilgariff?

  For example, Bananas, the weird news podcast, and this week over on Bananas, Curt and Scotty review their strangest headlines of 2025. From a radio station that went viral for playing a harmonic on a loop for hours, to Bahrain, the dog who won a downhill ski race. It's the kind of unhinged best of that only Bananas can deliver.

• 10:12Georgia Hardstark?

  And over on Ghosted by Roz Hernandez, Roz is over the moon about the return of Patton Oswalt.

• 10:18Karen Kilgariff?

  Aww.

• 10:18Georgia Hardstark?

  They get into Australia's spookiest haunted doll, Baba Vanga's 2026 prophecy about extraterrestrial contact, and Patton's favorite conspiracy theories.

• 10:29Karen Kilgariff?

  Very fun, very tin hat.

• 10:31Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 10:31Karen Kilgariff?

  Then on Brief Recess, Michael and Melissa are discussing the ICE raids in Minneapolis. Then they talk to Yua Hamasaki from RuPaul's Drag Race. This show has everything.

• 10:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Truly. And on Trust Me, Lola and Megan are joined by journalist and filmmaker David Ferrier. He talks about his reporting on Arise Church, the largest megachurch in New Zealand, and their disturbing pattern of exploitation.

• 10:55Karen Kilgariff?

  David Ferrier made that documentary tickled. Did you ever see that?

• 10:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my god.

• 11:00Karen Kilgariff?

  He is, he's amazing.

• 11:01Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 11:02Karen Kilgariff?

  And when he came to record with Trust Me, he was waiting outside while I went out to get in my car. And I was like, that's David Ferrier. And so I was trying to figure out how to say something to him, or I was like, hi, I'm Karen, and whatever. And I was like, kind of like, trying to figure it out. And the producer of the show just stepped outside and was like, oh, David, right in here. And then he just went inside. I never said hello to him or anything.

• 11:24Georgia Hardstark?

  It's your company. You could have been like, hi, welcome to my office.

• 11:27Karen Kilgariff?

  Hi, um, do you need to get in? I have a passcode. Like, I really could have balled out, and instead I just stood there, kind of trying to figure something out.

• 11:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Good.

• 11:35Karen Kilgariff?

  Classic move. Okay, now, due to popular demand, we were just on tour, very fun, very exciting. We had amazing tour merch that everyone loved and everyone talked about. And so, because the people have spoken, we want to give them what they want. Our 2025 tour merch is now available on the Exactly Right store. It's your chance to grab posters, totes, and apparel from our live shows.

• 12:01Georgia Hardstark?

  I have something, I have a poster.

• 12:02Karen Kilgariff?

  I have a tote.

• 12:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Look at this beautiful poster.

• 12:05Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, it's big.

• 12:06Georgia Hardstark?

  This artwork for like, the posters and the like, tour official merch is by Daphne Sabine, and

• 12:13Georgia Hardstark?

  She did such an incredible job. There was a different logo for every city.

• 12:18Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 12:18Georgia Hardstark?

  And it would all have something to do with like the city's flower or the state flower, the animal that would like went along with it. And there were always like beautiful, deep meanings behind them.

• 12:27Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 12:28Georgia Hardstark?

  It was so thoughtful.

• 12:29Karen Kilgariff?

  It was amazing. And then this was just the overall tour. So we got the cool Panthers, just if you just wanted the general tour, but then like Georgia's poster there, that's the Denver specific poster. So all of these items are available. Plus, not just that.

• 12:44Georgia Hardstark?

  I want that tote.

• 12:45Karen Kilgariff?

  The tote's good. I want this sweatshirt, which is just a classic.

• 12:48Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 12:49Karen Kilgariff?

  So cute.

• 12:49Georgia Hardstark?

  That's so simple, the way you like a simple. And a murderino on the side.

• 12:54Karen Kilgariff?

  Do you dare me to wear this to Marshall's? Cause I will. I will.

• 12:58Georgia Hardstark?

  I love it. What else you got?

• 12:59Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, well, very exciting. We also have 10 year anniversary merch.

• 13:05Georgia Hardstark?

  That's right. So in celebration, we have brand new merch. It's the MFM collegiate crew neck.

• 13:13Karen Kilgariff?

  And we have a monitor to show you pictures on.

• 13:15Georgia Hardstark?

  We have a monitor. There's a red flag crew neck. It looks like you went to college at my favorite murder university.

• 13:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 13:22Georgia Hardstark?

  So all us dropouts can now have our own.

• 13:25Karen Kilgariff?

  Right.

• 13:26Georgia Hardstark?

  College like gear.

• 13:27Karen Kilgariff?

  It's a new approach to the idea of sister schools. Now it's like the sisters who could not get their homework done.

• 13:33Georgia Hardstark?

  That's right.

• 13:34Karen Kilgariff?

  Come on.

• 13:34Georgia Hardstark?

  It's designed by our graphic designer, Vanessa Lilak. It's so fucking cool.

• 13:39Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 13:39Georgia Hardstark?

  It's so fucking cool. So the pre-sale for this goes from January 15th through the 21st. You have to order it in that time period to own it. So go to exactlyrightstore.com to see everything that's available, including the new merch and the 2025 tour merch.

• 13:55Karen Kilgariff?

  Also Vanessa, aside from that main design, Vanessa designed a lot of our tour merch as well. So this is, this is Vanessa's design.

• 14:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 14:03Karen Kilgariff?

  The little deer that says. Go fuck yourself.

• 14:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, I think so.

• 14:07Karen Kilgariff?

  That's her.

• 14:08Georgia Hardstark?

  Love it.

• 14:09Karen Kilgariff?

  Some great stuff. Guys, it's our anniversary. We gotta sell. We always gotta sell. That's who we are.

• 14:15Georgia Hardstark?

  Got to keep the lights on in this office of ours.

• 14:18Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, god damn it. So, we had this idea

• 14:22Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 14:22Karen Kilgariff?

  of a good way to celebrate our 10th anniversary would be kind of to review, to ask the listeners, what, in your opinion, were the top 10 moments of the last 10 years?

• 14:33Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes.

• 14:33Karen Kilgariff?

  So many to choose from.

• 14:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Because we can't remember most of them.

• 14:36Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 14:36Georgia Hardstark?

  And we thought, well, who could read this to us? We can't just read it to each other. That would be weird.

• 14:41Karen Kilgariff?

  That's narcissistic.

• 14:42Georgia Hardstark?

  So, basically, we have a special guest here.

• 14:46Karen Kilgariff?

  Who is also the number 10 on the list.

• 14:49Georgia Hardstark?

  That's right. None other than

• 14:51Karen Kilgariff?

  Steven Ray Morris. That's right. And he is here with us today to celebrate our 10th anniversary. Oh, my god.

• 15:04Speaker 06

  It feels weird. I'm like, not on the floor, you know? It didn't come with anything. Yeah, it's so surreal.

• 15:09Karen Kilgariff?

  Where's your spiral notebook that you're supposed to be taking your notes in? It's so nice to see you again.

• 15:15Speaker 06

  It's so good to see you. Oh, my gosh. The last time I saw you was like a whirlwind at like 1:00 in the morning, and you still had to like say hi to so many people.

• 15:22Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, at our LA show.

• 15:23Karen Kilgariff?

  That's right. The applause that Steven got at our LA show was so beautiful. And so like, watching you receive that where you're just kind of like, holy shit, it was so sweet.

• 15:35Speaker 06

  No, it was really fun. Those were some really fun shows. I can't, and again, it was one of those things where it was like, there's like whole camera people moving around, but like, I don't know, it just felt like we were back in the apartment. It was crazy.

• 15:45Georgia Hardstark?

  Did you get a lot of fans coming up to take pictures with you?

• 15:48Speaker 06

  Yeah, I like, I got mobbed a little bit, but it was, I was like, I think they did this on purpose.

• 15:53Georgia Hardstark?

  No, they love you.

• 15:55Karen Kilgariff?

  Well, they're so happy to see you. And they always, I mean, I think every minisode, every email you get shouted out. I mean, like, you are a part of the show forever.

• 16:04Georgia Hardstark?

  Hello to everyone and Steven, yeah.

• 16:05Speaker 06

  I still left like my signature at the bottom, you know? They're still like writing into the email.

• 16:10Karen Kilgariff?

  Steven will be out.

• 16:12Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 16:12Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 16:13Georgia Hardstark?

  If you guys don't know, Steven made his debut as our engineer on episode 23. And he was our editor, our fact checker, and my cat sitter.

• 16:22Speaker 06

  Yes. Oh, my gosh.

• 16:23Karen Kilgariff?

  And all things to all people. You did it all for us, Steven. You really did.

• 16:28Speaker 06

  It's, I mean, it's just so surreal. It's just what you guys have done here is amazing. Like, I'm just, again, I was like peeking around every corner. Like, I have to see everything. Yeah.

• 16:37Georgia Hardstark?

  We have an office.

• 16:38Speaker 06

  I know. Now there's not somebody like playing Call of Duty downstairs from your place. Or like, you know.

• 16:44Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, yeah. We used to get a little bleed through Call of Duty sometimes.

• 16:47Speaker 06

  Fireworks, helicopters.

• 16:49Georgia Hardstark?

  Literal fires.

• 16:50Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, yeah.

• 16:52Georgia Hardstark?

  Ghost train.

• 16:53Speaker 06

  Ghost train. Oh, yeah, that's right. In the loft days. Yeah, yeah.

• 16:56Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 16:57Speaker 06

  We saw Coyote, like, walking back to your car one time. It's like full nature, like surreal. Like, we're in a movie right now.

• 17:05Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, it is. We have, well, if there's anyone in the world that understands what we have been through besides you and I, it is Steven Ray Morris.

• 17:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Very true.

• 17:13Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 17:13Speaker 06

  Oh, my gosh.

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• 19:00Karen Kilgariff?

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• 19:03Karen Kilgariff?

  Are you ready to walk us through?

• 19:05Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 19:05Karen Kilgariff?

  The top nine, now the top nine.

• 19:08Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, you're number 10.

• 19:09Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 19:09Speaker 06

  We narrowed it down to nine. And then, yeah, I feel like the first one, number nine, is like just talking about like combining true crime and comedy. I mean, obviously getting your perspective on this, but anyone I've talked to, it's like getting to hear your friends tell you a story, your cool aunts, like that kind of thing at a party, which is kind of, I mean, that was how the show started, basically.

• 19:28Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 19:29Speaker 06

  So surreal.

• 19:30Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. There was never like a let's report on it. It was almost like a let's just, let's gossip, not gossip, because that's obviously, it was like a darker than that thing, or it's like, let's, let's get this out of our brains where it's not doing any good to anyone.

• 19:43Karen Kilgariff?

  Well, also, I think we had talked about ingesting, for years, ingesting that same kind of media. And then it's like, but no one ever talked about ingesting it and receiving it. It was always like you were supposed to act like a reporter if you were going to talk about this. And we were basically like, we're not going to do that. We're almost going to do the opposite and see what happens because it's the conversation around what we have, you know, that's, you know, the conversation around the staircase. And do you, you know, how in the world could you believe in the owl theory? And then.

• 20:17Georgia Hardstark?

  It's almost like the Halloween conversation when we first met. We just took that on to, what are these called? Microphones?

• 20:23Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes. For what's it called? A decade.

• 20:25Speaker 06

  Yeah. It was like, was this on mic or not? You know, like, it felt like that, like, what was your favorite forensic, like, what was your favorite forensic file episode? You know, what was your favorite unsolved mystery? Like?

• 20:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Totally.

• 20:36Speaker 06

  That kind of thing.

• 20:36Karen Kilgariff?

  It actually just reminded me of you saying it being on mic, that I think one of the biggest reasons that we got Stephen and needed Stephen was because I used to do a weird thing with the microphones we were using. Do you remember that? Where I was creating this insane sound problem because I would shake the mic sometimes when I was talking. And you'd be like, and I think they were your mics, like, and they look like this, the mic you use at a school talent show. So it was just like, I would be like making a, you know, a point or something and I'd go like that and then it would shake the bottom and the bottom was loose and it was all, and it was like, finally it was like, we need an engineer. We need someone else besides us to help us do this.

• 21:18Speaker 06

  I mean, yeah, just, just like, if people knew how cheap those first microphones, it's like one step above karaoke, you know? But, I mean, you know, again, it was one of those things like every, you know, Wednesday or Tuesday night or whatever, just getting together to, I felt like to unwind from our day jobs at the time. I don't know.

• 21:36Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, for real.

• 21:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Definitely.

• 21:38Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah. And I remember once there was something that was going, some drama, some big thing that you had to help us with. And I remember just being like, thanks, thank you so much, Stephen. And you go, hell yeah, I'm ride or die. And then I was like, oh my God, that's the best.

• 21:52Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 21:52Karen Kilgariff?

  And you really were.

• 21:53Speaker 06

  Yeah. I mean, it was my favorite thing to do every week. We actually got to like, just talk, you guys like talked into microphones about this thing that was fascinating and the fact that like, again, even by the time I was helping you out, like, the show was like getting to number one on the podcast charts and like.

• 22:10Georgia Hardstark?

  It was twenty, it was episode 23. So I think we had just shitty equipment because we never expected it to go beyond like five episodes and like for anyone to listen to it. So then it was like, oh no, we have to actually be like professional.

• 22:23Karen Kilgariff?

  We have to do this better.

• 22:25Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 22:25Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 22:26Speaker 06

  Oh my gosh. I mean, obviously that takes us like to number eight, MFM and pop culture. I think the, I mean, speaking of that, the Entertainment Weekly, that to me was like, but I mean, for you, for both of you, like, when did you feel like, you're like, oh, this is like the biggest thing? Or like people, you know, talking about it, like, you see, in Yellowjackets, I feel like was another insane.

• 22:47Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, my God, I forgot about that one.

• 22:49Karen Kilgariff?

  That's right. We would get these emails that were like, can we have permission to use your logo? And we're like, the logo Georgia made?

• 22:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 22:56Karen Kilgariff?

  It's just like, sure, you have permission.

• 22:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Like the Christina Ricci, she had like a mug, right?

• 23:01Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 23:01Georgia Hardstark?

  And Yellowjackets.

• 23:02Karen Kilgariff?

  That's, there it is.

• 23:04Georgia Hardstark?

  That is the OG.

• 23:06Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 23:06Georgia Hardstark?

  That is my mockup of what it could look at before we even started recording.

• 23:10Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 23:11Georgia Hardstark?

  And I remember making that in like a cafe because I didn't have wifi at home. It was like that time of my life. I couldn't afford to like pay wifi. So I was in a cafe and I was supposed to be writing like a submission. For like a writing job, like one of like my first, you know, like at a food magazine. I was like, oh, I really fucking need this job. Like, what am I gonna do? And like, I don't wanna do that right now. I wanna make this instead. Like, the thing that's not making me any money.

• 23:37Speaker 06

  Graphic design is my passion.

• 23:39Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, and like, it turned out that that was the thing that I should have been working on.

• 23:44Speaker 06

  I mean, that's the theme song is Take Two, I believe.

• 23:47Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes.

• 23:47Speaker 06

  Like, it's just like, my favorite theme song, Take Two dot M4A.

• 23:52Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my God.

• 23:53Speaker 06

  You know, like, right off your phone, like.

• 23:55Georgia Hardstark?

  Holy shit.

• 23:56Speaker 06

  Unchanged.

• 23:57Karen Kilgariff?

  I always thought, well, I remembered it this way, but that makes more sense, cuz I probably screwed it up the first time. But I always remember it being just me sitting down being like, here's an example of what it could sound like, and then just sending it to Georgia, and then it being like, yeah, and then that's what it is, and that's what it remains. I think there's those things like that where it's like, that's a good piece of advice for people. It's just like, don't mess with things too much. It doesn't need to be perfect. Just like, put it out there and see.

• 24:24Speaker 06

  Well, it felt like, yeah, the things that you were ingesting, the stories at the time, it was just like, all right, we get to talk about it, and then it's like, fresh on Thursdays.

• 24:33Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 24:33Speaker 06

  And I feel like that was something that I feel like not everyone was doing, you know? It was like that, cuz, you know, it's like, if you make a movie or a TV show or something, it takes like, months or years. So, you know, again, working on shows where you're like, in a writer's room for six months, and then they start coming out. But it was like, oh, no, we're responding to like, things in real time.

• 24:51Georgia Hardstark?

  We don't have time to like, make it precious and make it perfect.

• 24:54Karen Kilgariff?

  No. Or even think about, should we be saying this at all? And also, you know, again, thanks to Stephen, because it got to be timely like that, because you would leave those records and then stay up all night editing those shows. It's hilarious. I mean, the dedication.

• 25:09Georgia Hardstark?

  We were supposed to be recording on like, Tuesdays, and I think at least half the time, we were like, shit, we can't record until Wednesday night, not knowing how long it took to edit.

• 25:19Karen Kilgariff?

  No, knowing nothing about it.

• 25:21Speaker 06

  When we were neighbors, so I could just walk over.

• 25:23Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, exactly. Thank God.

• 25:25Karen Kilgariff?

  So crazy.

• 25:26Speaker 06

  I also really loved when you guys were on The Simpsons. To me, that's also like another, you know, like, thing that you're, you enjoy as a fan, and then you get to like, see it.

• 25:36Karen Kilgariff?

  Yep.

• 25:36Georgia Hardstark?

  I think that was a maybe like, teary eyed moment for me, when we were, yeah, it was like. A podcasting episode or a true crime podcasting episode. And they had drawn our caricatures as like podcasts, true crime podcasting, you know, names and our names and face, like Simpsons faces were on there. And Simpsons, to me, when growing up, was one of the most important things in my entire life.

• 26:01Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 26:01Georgia Hardstark?

  One of the reasons I think I'm slightly funny is because watching The Simpsons for as long as I did.

• 26:06Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 26:07Georgia Hardstark?

  And that, so that just felt like that was something I could send to my brother and he would get it, you know?

• 26:11Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, I saw that picture. I just couldn't, to see yourself Simpsonified is wild. To know it's actually in an episode.

• 26:19Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 26:19Karen Kilgariff?

  That was really a humbling experience. It was really the craziest honor. And then full circle of like, somebody on our Facebook page in the, you know, in the comments made up the name Murderino. It's stolen from The Simpsons.

• 26:34Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 26:34Karen Kilgariff?

  So it's like, perfect. It's like, instead of suing us, they put us on the show. It's so nice of them.

• 26:40Georgia Hardstark?

  That was one of those, that moment and Jeopardy, our two moments that it felt like, okay, whatever fucking happens in life historically, you can't take that away from me ever. You know what I mean? Like, it will always have been on Jeopardy and on Simpsons.

• 26:57Karen Kilgariff?

  So if you want to see any of these things we're talking about, go to our social media. You can see all those pictures if you haven't already.

• 27:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Right. We're posting a lot of cute stuff for the 10 year anniversary this week. So check it out.

• 27:06Speaker 06

  I know, even just being in here, like, seeing all this stuff is like so surreal.

• 27:12Karen Kilgariff?

  The collection.

• 27:13Speaker 06

  Has that, like, appreciation of those things, is that, do you think you appreciate it more now? Cause I feel like at the time, just even remembering like the scramble for the three of us, like going through Twitter, going through Facebook, like trying to just source any of this stuff, because it was just, like, every week we were just like, okay, let's just, we need to just focus on the episode now and then, I don't know.

• 27:33Karen Kilgariff?

  Well, it's like a living scrapbook, kind of, where you don't. And that's the thing is like, I feel like scrapbook people are such future geniuses. Like when you were talking about doing stuff for future Georgia, that it finally makes sense to me, because it's like now. You know, you look around and you see this stuff and you're like, I remember when that person handed that to me at a live show or when they sent it in and were like, this is what I do for a living, but I also want to do it for you. Like, it's such a beautiful kind of way to keep time and like, to keep 10 years. It's like, we have a lot of this stuff with people that wanted to play along with us.

• 28:09Speaker 06

  Yeah. Well, and I feel like the feeling, I don't know how you felt when they recreated the pod loft in that New York, you know.

• 28:16Karen Kilgariff?

  Da da da da.

• 28:17Speaker 06

  Like Speedy of Scrap.

• 28:18Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, in New York.

• 28:19Speaker 06

  Yeah, New York. Yeah, yeah.

• 28:20Karen Kilgariff?

  At the On Air Festival. That's right.

• 28:22Georgia Hardstark?

  And then also at the Microsoft Theater Halloween show, they recreated the fucking pod loft. Like, that's, I think there's so many moments from this podcast and from 10 years that I keep saying to myself that are so incredible and overwhelming. And if I stopped and thought about them, I think I'd like short circuit. So they've been like, I'm gonna emotionally deal with this later.

• 28:42Karen Kilgariff?

  When I'm 67. And, yes.

• 28:44Georgia Hardstark?

  I can't do it right now because I, you know, like, if you think about how many people are listening to your voice right now, you can't fucking speak. So it's just like, I'm not going to worry about it right now. In the future, as an old lady, I'm gonna be like, that was pretty fucking cool. What?

• 28:59Karen Kilgariff?

  I'm doing a bit where that's what I'm doing to you right now. But I can't do a not speaking bit unless you're not speaking.

• 29:06Speaker 06

  Yeah, unless you're watching, right?

• 29:07Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, it is that kind of thing where I think we were very good about keeping it. It's like, yeah, you can't think about those numbers and you can't think about the, you know, it's that idea, I think, at some point, one of the many problems that we had to all solve together. And it was like, look, we're not looking for a consensus here. This isn't, we're not trying to. It's, we didn't do something to be super popular for millions of people. We did something for each other and for ourselves. And then, it's like, and then it went somewhere, which I think is... The advice if people are looking for it, where it's like, please yourself and make yourself laugh or interest yourself, because you can't think of it that way, or you will totally melt down.

• 29:52Speaker 06

  No, I always feel like it's like telling people, it's like, can you have a fun conversation with somebody where, I mean, again, back in the early days, it was like, seeing you two make each other laugh or discovering something new was always like, so, you know, it's like, that's when I was like, with my, in my notebook, like, writing the things that you guys said, you know, like, that's the stuff where it's like, if you can do that, like, I feel like you couldn't do anything.

• 30:12Georgia Hardstark?

  And thank God we took those and made them into the show titles, instead of using the fucking number puns.

• 30:18Speaker 06

  I mean, seventy-nine is pretty good.

• 30:20Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah. We had a couple of good ones, but also, that just makes me think of, Georgia would always have either a pot of coffee, or her old coffee from the morning, and Stephen and I would have a big old cup of like, seven-thirty coffee.

• 30:35Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 30:35Karen Kilgariff?

  And just be like, yeah, let's do this thing.

• 30:37Speaker 06

  Or supercharged, plus Diet Coke.

• 30:39Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 30:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Whiskey for me, always.

• 30:41Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, we're going all in different directions, I think that's what made it work.

• 30:44Georgia Hardstark?

  We all need our own special form of.

• 30:47Speaker 06

  Just lighting off, yeah, like the fireworks that went off one time in the middle of recording.

• 30:51Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my God.

• 30:52Speaker 06

  And all the cats, like, scattered.

• 30:53Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 30:54Speaker 06

  Wait, so then when, like, number seven, writing the book, Say Sexy Don't Get Murdered, like, was that a moment where you had to, like, actually sit down, because that was, to me, the fun and surprising thing about reading it, was like, you had to, like, or when you were talking about it and getting into it, you're like, oh, we actually have to, like, write about our whole life?

• 31:11Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 31:11Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 31:12Speaker 06

  Like, what was that like?

• 31:13Georgia Hardstark?

  That was one of the hardest, I don't think we expect, oh, hey, look.

• 31:17Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, look.

• 31:18Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, there it is.

• 31:19Karen Kilgariff?

  That's a very bitter look on my face, right there, I'm very angry.

• 31:23Georgia Hardstark?

  I'm stoked, because that was the fuck, one of the hardest things I've ever had to do in my entire fucking life, we didn't really know what it was gonna be, it turned out to be like, a memoir, in a lot of ways, of the stupid, painful things we've done and gone through that naked, so that we're the people who you can trust to deliver these pieces of advice to, which means you had to, like, dig deep, every note I would get from Ally, our incredible editor, was like, What did it feel like? Tell me more about how hard that moment was, or what, how awful it was. It was just like, I was, it was a lot of therapy at the time.

• 32:00Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, it was incredible. Well, and also just the opportunity. It's like, everybody knows, like, if you get a popular thing, if you get over a certain number of people that will pay attention to it, you'll get a book deal, or you'll get a blank, or you'll get a blank. And when that came through, it was like, well, this could just be another perfunctory thing that gets done because that's what gets done. But then it's like, but we could really do something with this. Like, and also, we are not true crime journalists, again and again, we say. So it's like, we don't have to worry about that. It's like, we can just talk about the one thing we know. Like, I felt, I felt so much comfort in that. Cause it's just like, we don't have to pretend, like, suddenly in the middle of all this,

• 32:45Karen Kilgariff?

  we don't have to pretend to be something. It's like, we'll just keep on doing what we've been doing, and hopefully it'll work.

• 32:50Georgia Hardstark?

  I think that was probably the, writing a book is something I'd always wanted to do in my life. Like, that was a life goal. I didn't know how the fuck it was gonna happen, cause I didn't go to college, you know?

• 33:00Karen Kilgariff?

  Same.

• 33:00Georgia Hardstark?

  And so, getting that, getting that opportunity was like, this is a once in a lifetime thing that you've always wanted. Don't fuck it up. Like, make yourself proud of it. And there are times, like, these day, like, even now, years later, sometimes I'm like, I feel lazy, or I haven't done anything, and then I'm like, you wrote a book.

• 33:18Karen Kilgariff?

  You wrote a fucking book!

• 33:20Georgia Hardstark?

  That cannot be taken away. It was a fucking number one bestseller on fucking New York Times. That can't be taken away.

• 33:25Karen Kilgariff?

  And, I'll never forget, people will tell you they like it, but whatever, so now you've achieved this dream, but maybe it's actually not good, or blah, blah, blah. But the reviews were good. So I just kept looking for like, okay, well, where's the bad thing, so that, you know, I can take this all apart in my negative way. And it was just like, couldn't do it, couldn't do it, and then people... To this day, like, bring it to us to sign or tell us how much it meant to us. Like, it's incredible. It's crazy.

• 33:53Georgia Hardstark?

  I'm so, I'm really, I do still think it's great. I'm like, really proud of us. I really am. I'm just, there's nothing about it that I would change.

• 34:02Speaker 06

  Plus, you got Paul Giamatti.

• 34:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Paul Giamatti in the audiobook. What more do you want?

• 34:08Speaker 06

  I forgot. How did that even happen?

• 34:10Karen Kilgariff?

  Because I did the running joke of like, people would ask us if we were gonna do like a Q and A episode, people would ask us who would play you in the movie? And you said the people that you've, people have told you you look like. And then, of course, I said Paul Giamatti. And then I guess someone told Paul Giamatti that. And so then he was trying to get ahold of us to be like, I listen to your podcast and I liked it or something. And one day I woke up and there was an email from a random email where it's like, the fact that I didn't delete it is a miracle. Cause it'd be like, I don't know who this is from. But I read it anyway. And it was like, you people are harder to get ahold of. And it was written in this perfect Paul Giamatti voice. And then it was like, thank you for saying nice things about me. You know, you're delight.

• 34:54Karen Kilgariff?

  He basically heard we were talking about him. So went and listened to the podcast and was like, I like your podcast. And I was like, well, then I'm gonna do the gross Hollywood thing and say, would you like to read a chapter? And he was like, sure. And then I was totally sure he was gonna just flake later on, just like, tell me yes. And he did it. He did it.

• 35:16Georgia Hardstark?

  What a mensch.

• 35:17Speaker 06

  So surreal. And then, I mean, like, again, just expanding outward, because we were talking a little before, but just the, you know, the number six is touring. Like, when did you decide that you were like, we have to do this? And then how did you, I mean, again, like, I think in 2019, you guys toured from January to May.

• 35:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, don't talk about it.

• 35:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, we were, we just wanted to do a live show, a couple, there were some podcast festivals and they were fun and made sense to what we were doing. So we were like, well, let's do our own live show, like outside of a podcasting event.

• 35:53Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, it seemed like that's what a lot of comedy podcasters did, where it's like, people go and they put up one of those folding tables and then, you know, you line up some mics and you sit there and you do your podcast and people can see you in real life. So I was like, well, let's, I'll call the Bell House. That's where a lot of comics that I know in New York, like, do stuff like that. And we'll just, you know, see what happens. And we, so many people tried to buy tickets that the guy called me, like, what the fuck is going on? Because we fucked up their whole day and probably their week with the amount, like, it sold out immediately, the whole thing. And that was when we started to get the sense of like, oh, this isn't, we don't understand how big this is. And we don't understand that

• 36:37Karen Kilgariff?

  it's like, yeah, we sold out the Bell House. That's

• 36:41Georgia Hardstark?

  A big deal.

• 36:41Karen Kilgariff?

  That's a big deal. It was a huge deal to me.

• 36:44Georgia Hardstark?

  I think this last tour that we were on too was really cool because, so for our LA shows, I have since talked to a lot of people who I, I'm really close, we hadn't toured in six years. So there's actually people that I'm very close with that I didn't know then. And so hadn't seen the live shows or hadn't been to a live show. So they came and they're like, oh, I didn't understand, you're always stressed. I didn't totally understand it until I went to a live show and heard and saw everyone, like, when you walked out. I didn't realize what a big fucking deal it was.

• 37:16Karen Kilgariff?

  That same thing happened. My friend Lark, who now does my hair, I invited him to come. And he just told me when he was doing my roots the other day, he was like, that, he goes, you didn't tell me anything about what that was going to be like. I thought I was going to go support you. Like, I was going to be nice and be in the audience for you. He goes, I was so embarrassed when I got to the Pasadena Civic Auditorium or whatever he has. Like, I had no idea and you didn't tell me. And I was like, I, I'm like, not a detail person.

• 37:46Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. What do you say? Like, here's how many listeners we have. Here's our numbers. Please come to the show. You can't, you don't do that. So yeah, there was definitely a lot of like, Oh, okay. This is bigger than what I thought.

• 37:58Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 37:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Which is kinda rad.

• 38:00Speaker 06

  I mean, when we did Anaheim, I got to stand on stage where I saw Michelle Branch in high school. So that was just like, oh, my God, everyone, this, you have no idea.

• 38:09Georgia Hardstark?

  It's so, it's so incredible.

• 38:10Karen Kilgariff?

  That was such a good show when Georgia did the Disneyland.

• 38:13Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 38:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my God. The deaths of Disneyland. Oh, I've been wanting to do that for so long.

• 38:16Speaker 06

  Is there a live show memories that stick out to you? I think of like the person crawling in the audience.

• 38:21Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my God.

• 38:23Karen Kilgariff?

  The fun part about especially that first year of touring was we were out with a bunch of people who were like, they were friends with us. And so it really was like you, you just went and did a live show with all your friends in the audience.

• 38:37Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 38:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Where we're, they were heckling us and they wanted to be a part of it and all of it, but, but at the same time, that dynamic that none of us had gotten before, which is this is what happens when we do this part. This is what they're doing while we do this part.

• 38:51Georgia Hardstark?

  Like pockets, having a dress with pockets gets a huge round of applause. Like, what? Okay, that's our thing.

• 38:58Karen Kilgariff?

  Yep. No one would understand, but it's like, but everyone understands because we're all kind of the same in that way.

• 39:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 39:04Karen Kilgariff?

  It was, I mean, those early days, yeah, the Portland shows were always amazing. I think my family seeing, coming to the Oakland shows and seeing me and having that same experience of we didn't understand what this was. And then, of course, never forget the Arizona show. I think it was Tempe or?

• 39:22Georgia Hardstark?

  In the Round?

• 39:23Karen Kilgariff?

  Phoenix.

• 39:24Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah, where you did Jenny Arias.

• 39:26Karen Kilgariff?

  The show where the stage was spinning in a circle.

• 39:29Georgia Hardstark?

  Slowly spinning.

• 39:30Speaker 06

  Cause I'm trying to remember, but I feel like the way you described it was just like, dee.

• 39:34Georgia Hardstark?

  It was almost unnoticed until suddenly you looked up and the person you were, had been looking at was way back.

• 39:40Karen Kilgariff?

  Not there. And, and for that, I would say it was too fast because it was like, it was almost like for people in a musical, it was perfect.

• 39:49Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 39:49Karen Kilgariff?

  But for podcasting, it was insane. It was like we could only focus on each other because they're just like, it was, it was so crazy and so funny. And. No one told us that it was in the round or on a moving stage. So, walking out onto stage, we were discovering all of it at the same time. It was hilarious.

• 40:09Speaker 06

  Did you do a full rotation? I never asked.

• 40:11Karen Kilgariff?

  Multiple.

• 40:11Speaker 06

  Did you do like?

• 40:12Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, oh.

• 40:12Georgia Hardstark?

  Went around multiple times.

• 40:13Karen Kilgariff?

  I think it went around 20 or 30 times during the length of an hour. Oh, yeah.

• 40:18Georgia Hardstark?

  It was pretty good. It was good fodder, though.

• 40:20Karen Kilgariff?

  It was, I mean, it was insanity. And then that show had the best hometown, I think.

• 40:25Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 40:25Karen Kilgariff?

  Of all time. She did an amazing job.

• 40:28Speaker 06

  I mean, some of those hometowns were so, people were like, even just the most recent, the LA shows, everyone is just like, so excited. I forget, like, do you have like a favorite hometown person? Or just, like, I mean, there was marriage proposals, like, there was, like, all kinds of stuff. People came on stage, guests.

• 40:47Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, if it's favorite person, then I would pick our drunk friend from Washington DC, who could only say Laura and a Bobbit 15 times, and she tried, and she was there, and she was loving life. And, you know, it was just, Georgia had to pick from 50 feet away. And this woman was waving her hand, like, we told her the rule. You can't be too drunk. Maybe we made up the rule, you can't be too drunk after her.

• 41:12Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 41:13Speaker 06

  No, you always framed it, you're like, there was a whole thing that people had to pay attention. We were like, everyone settle down for a moment.

• 41:19Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 41:20Georgia Hardstark?

  Please stop.

• 41:21Speaker 06

  These are the qualifications, now go.

• 41:23Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, be a good storyteller. Know what you're doing. Yeah, all those things, but this gal.

• 41:28Georgia Hardstark?

  And I do love that, like, the kind of just unexpectedness of it all, where it's just, you're fucking hoping this person delivers. And when they deliver, it's so, it's powerful, but it's even more so because you just, it's not planned at all. It's just so, so incredible.

• 41:43Karen Kilgariff?

  And sometimes it's like a person that's like, I am the city's district attorney, where you're like, you're listening to this podcast. Like, oh, my god. Yeah.

• 41:52Speaker 06

  Did the touring this time feel different?

• 41:54Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, I just felt, it just felt like a gift. You know what I mean? After, like, not doing it for so long, having it kind of be like, we don't have to do it. It's not like required. And then being able to like film it. There was just a lot to it that was like, it felt very like be in this here, be in the now, right now, and really love it, because it was. Those first, I mean, the back-to-back years were hard and it was the hardest version of touring.

• 42:24Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 42:24Karen Kilgariff?

  Multi-cities in a weekend.

• 42:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 42:27Speaker 06

  Thank God for Vince, oh my God.

• 42:28Georgia Hardstark?

  I know, Vince really, yeah.

• 42:31Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, he, he tour managed the hell out of that thing when he, he got in there and saved it for sure. It was nuts. There was that one show, maybe it was Vancouver, that the, it was just the best audience. Like the response and the stories and I think it was Vancouver, it was, they bubble up, but then like if I sat here long enough, enough, I would name every single one.

• 42:54Speaker 06

  Well, and also I feel like over the years of just like wanting to pick the stories, I mean, I'm, I was embarrassed to, when we were doing Kansas City, and then was like looking at Kansas City, Kansas, burgers. I was like, oh Karen, I'm so sorry. This is Kansas City, Kansas, not Kansas City.

• 43:09Georgia Hardstark?

  I mean, that's on them though. Like, come on, we're supposed to.

• 43:14Karen Kilgariff?

  You cannot name two cities the same.

• 43:17Georgia Hardstark?

  No, and one that doesn't even belong to the same, no.

• 43:20Karen Kilgariff?

  Irresponsible. Not our fault, not your fault at all.

• 43:23Speaker 06

  Thank you. You did that closure.

• 43:25Karen Kilgariff?

  No, we're fine.

• 43:26Speaker 06

  Uh, is there like a story that you were glad that you did live versus doing at home?

• 43:30Georgia Hardstark?

  The live story choosing part is so hard because it has to be so many things that it can't be, you know, or it can't be so many things that it can be when it's just the two of us, because you don't want to bum out a whole fucking audience.

• 43:47Karen Kilgariff?

  There's just a different expectation and we had to learn it by doing it, which is a tough way to, to learn onstage live show. I mean, that actually is the definition of stand-up comedy. It's a, kind of an awful experience, but then you like, the improvement and the kind of, you make these little changes and you're like, okay, here's the parameter, here's what we. We'll talk about here and also just if we have a room full of, you know, if we're lucky 2,000 people, how are we going to maximize this experience so that we're all, this is like kind of best case scenario for this city, this audience.

• 44:24Georgia Hardstark?

  Right. What do they want? And then, yeah, also like also to remember that when they're booing, they're usually not booing us. They're booing the story.

• 44:31Speaker 06

  Yeah. What point were you like, okay, this is, they're not booing for it?

• 44:34Georgia Hardstark?

  Never. I'm still like, what are, are you mad? What did I say? What did we do?

• 44:38Karen Kilgariff?

  That's why I used to get so angry at when they would heckle because it was like old, the old me of like, if you're saying anything, that means you're against me.

• 44:46Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 44:47Karen Kilgariff?

  Where it's like, these are people that just want to talk also, they finally get to talk back to you and they really want to do it.

• 44:52Georgia Hardstark?

  And they had drinks before and a meetup and so.

• 44:55Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 44:56Georgia Hardstark?

  They're very drunk.

• 44:56Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah. There's all kinds of reasons.

• 44:58Speaker 06

  I mean, I also love seeing both of you meeting everybody afterwards.

• 45:02Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, the meet and greets are fucking special.

• 45:04Karen Kilgariff?

  So fun.

• 45:05Speaker 06

  And people just were like, like this, like, like ready because they just had the thing, like in New Zealand, somebody had ice cream with them the whole show, like that kind of stuff. Like, do you remember any like specific gifts or like things like that?

• 45:19Karen Kilgariff?

  I forgot the Australian, there was amazing experiences. I got proposed to, remember that? I got proposed to, a woman brought her rugby player husband. She's like, Karen, I want you to see what a real one looks like in real life. Like, was that, we had, we had some great ones.

• 45:36Georgia Hardstark?

  It's so funny because after the show, you're like, just completely emotionally drained. It just takes a lot out of you. And then you have to do this like 100 person meet and greet, but then you're also like, they're bringing me the coolest fucking gifts. And like every, you know, every other person has some like either ceramic beautiful thing that they made for you or a fucking bag full of candy. Yeah. Or like a Siamese cat stuffed animal. Like, it's just, it's like, then you can't sleep all night because you have so much like endorphins running through you because it's just such a cool experience. And then it's people getting to tell you like, how long they've listened in, like what you were there with them for. And that's just like, you don't get that when it's just sitting in a, you know, studio recording. And we hadn't had it for so long. And yeah, like we'll run into people on the street who will like say hi and introduce themselves.

• 46:21Georgia Hardstark?

  But just that onslaught that you get when you're touring is, it's life giving.

• 46:26Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 46:26Speaker 06

  Did the, like, when the people tell you they go back to school for that?

• 46:29Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. So many, like, I became a this and I went back to school for that, or I left this relationship because I. This right, which there's so many, I went to therapy because you guys talked about it. And that to me is like the fucking point of it all.

• 46:42Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 46:43Georgia Hardstark?

  It's so cool.

• 46:44Speaker 06

  Yeah. No, I had a friend who was telling me like, I, growing up, like, I didn't think mental health was like a thing until they listened to the show. That was very touching, like.

• 46:53Karen Kilgariff?

  And also, I love the fact that that was just the coincidence of both you and I not giving a shit. Like, I was raised by a mother who's a psychiatric nurse. You were raised where therapy was very much like, fine and good in a part of your life. And so it was just this weird, we didn't know better. And then we were like, everybody else is interpreting it. I was like, you allowed other people where we're like, no, we just love talking about ourselves.

• 47:17Georgia Hardstark?

  What'd you do today? I went to therapy. Like, I'm just talking about my day and like, something cool my therapist said. No, I'm not, like, I didn't, and like, the medication change I'm going through right now, it's like, just part of my life. But that, the fact that like, I think because of that, people didn't, you know, we made it not a big deal to talk about, and so it's not a big deal.

• 47:36Karen Kilgariff?

  And we get credit for, as if we planned it and we didn't.

• 47:41Speaker 06

  Number five on this list is creating the podcast network. Exactly right. Like, again, this is so, the space is bigger than I think the original

• 47:49Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 47:50Speaker 06

  network studio, basically.

• 47:51Karen Kilgariff?

  You mean the original studio where you couldn't flush the bathroom toilet while people were recording? Because they were five feet away from each other, if not less?

• 47:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. We always say, like, you know, they, they gave us a network. And it really did start with like, a deal that was being struck. And part of the deal was, they want you to have your own network. So that is how it started. And we said, awesome, let's do it. But I don't think they expected us to, like, to do it ourselves, the way we, of course, would never let anyone else fucking do it.

• 48:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah. So, I mean, yeah, I think it was that idea, probably at the time, they're like, well, if this true crime podcast is popular, then that'll be a network with a bunch of other true crime podcasts.

• 48:33Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 48:33Karen Kilgariff?

  And then, of course, very quickly, we found that it's like, in sales, it doesn't work that way because we will eat up all of the advertising. There was all the kind of business behind. The logic of it. And so then we were like, well, we have plenty of hilarious friends who are not interested in true crime at all. And they want to, they're podcasters and we got to, the way I used to say, it's very hacky, but it's like, we got to build our own Marvel universe of all the people around us where it's like, everybody can't be Superman. You know what I mean? Every, if everybody's flying around with their laser vision, it's a little boring. We need everybody that's like, we need an Aquaman and we need a storm. There's no way these people are all in the Marvel universe.

• 49:17Karen Kilgariff?

  And I know there's people that are furious right now, furious that I would be cross promoting these characters.

• 49:24Georgia Hardstark?

  Well, they, so, yeah, I think that what happened was they thought that, that we were just gonna churn out a bunch of my favorite murders to make them a shit ton of money. And I think we pissed off a lot of fucking people. Cause we were like, that's, that's not what we want to do. That doesn't really happen that way. And like, we want to do it our way. So I think.

• 49:43Speaker 06

  Yeah. You're picking things that resonate with you. You're like, I want to listen to that.

• 49:46Georgia Hardstark?

  Exactly.

• 49:46Speaker 06

  Like this podcast will kill you or like, you know, just any of the kind of shows like Bridger just getting to open presents and be mad about it.

• 49:54Karen Kilgariff?

  Be super pissed all the time. Yeah. This podcast will kill you is Georgia's favorite podcast. And then I remember her, she was just like, I think this would work because it's thematically similar, but it's not on point where it's just like, yes, like those kinds of, you know, that's how you pick. Trust me. That same thing where it's like, we do podcasting because we like podcasts and we listen to podcasts. So it all did make sense, but yeah, the, the build of it, it was just like, how are we gonna do this? And how are we gonna keep on doing this? And it really did become its own separate job. It's crazy.

• 50:31Speaker 06

  Yeah. What is it like now? I feel like.

• 50:33Karen Kilgariff?

  Well, now we have like 40 employees. I mean, it's just.

• 50:38Speaker 06

  I got lost on the way here.

• 50:39Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. I don't, yeah, it was definitely way, way more work than we thought it would be. I often wonder like if we hadn't started the network, what our lives would be like right now. It definitely, it turned it into a business rather than like a hobby.

• 50:57Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 50:58Georgia Hardstark?

  And I had to step away from the CEO angle of it or running the business at all because I just don't know how. And I don't want to pretend like I do. I got really just overwhelmed by it all, but. But I love the network. I love the podcast. We get to put on it and I think it's a special place. I mean, like those podcasts that come to us, I'm always like, they're going to be happy and we want to make sure they're happy.

• 51:19Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 51:20Georgia Hardstark?

  You know, make it a place where everyone gets to be themselves and creative and not being like told what to do. Because I don't think like nowadays, My Favorite Murder would be picked up on a big network. Like they'd make us change everything about it, you know, or like I wouldn't be famous enough to like host a podcast. So we don't want, we didn't want to do stuff like that to other people.

• 51:38Speaker 06

  The pressure, yeah.

• 51:39Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 51:40Karen Kilgariff?

  Well, and for years, knowing creative people, working with creative people and being around creative people, it's like, yeah, you learn, you know what you like and you know that your taste is good and you watch, you know, you know why something seems to be better than something else. And it is not just, it's not just chance. It's not, you know what I mean?

• 51:59Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 51:59Karen Kilgariff?

  And it's not just surface. It's like, especially in podcasting, you have to be better, I think, and more entertaining and more compelling than the average person on TV because there's no distraction. It's hyper focused.

• 52:12Speaker 06

  Hour.

• 52:12Karen Kilgariff?

  Literally, yeah, this back and forth. So there is a little bit of the, the magical combination that Georgia and I knew simply by going, okay, we've done this. We see what's hit. We think we know why. And then of course, I had a background in television where just like, this used to be my job all the time where you're trying to put ideas together and make that magical combination hit. And whether you do or not, it's a completely different business and it's also a different science. So it's just like, okay, I had a little bit of that knowledge, but also all of it was a startup. And I mean, and that was kind of the spirit of it, which is just like, well, let's just see what's going to happen.

• 52:54Speaker 06

  Yeah. And then giving, I mean, Paul Holes.

• 52:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 52:57Speaker 06

  A platform every week to be his magical self.

• 52:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Our pleasure.

• 53:01Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, thank you, sir.

• 53:03Speaker 06

  What was that like approaching him? Because I feel like, I mean, the Golden State Killer getting caught was so, such a part of the, I was unfortunately at Margaritaville when both of you found out.

• 53:12Georgia Hardstark?

  That's right.

• 53:14Speaker 06

  But like even just approaching him to start something and like, if you like, I mean, he was probably used to that whole like TV world where it was very restrictive and you were like, here, here's an opportunity to get to talk about the things that you want to talk about.

• 53:26Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, thank God he was a very experienced talking head before we ever talked about him. But that, you're right, that kind of order of how it went, whereas like Georgia and I, the Golden State Killer focus, you know, it, he hadn't been renamed, Michelle McNamara came in, her work, her book, I'll Be Gone in the Dark, her documentary, like all these things kind of happening together, her very sudden, very shocking death. And then within a year of that or so,

• 54:00Karen Kilgariff?

  that case gets solved and it's like a case that had been so old and nobody, I think nobody ever thought it was going to. And then suddenly it was like these changes and it was very parallel to our experience where it was like those kinds of watching that happen and change so quickly where it's like, I never imagined this, now we're dealing with it, now we're in it. And yeah, him, then we got the craziest thing of all, which is the surprise of Paul Holes on the podcast. So that went great. And then it was like the second we all left that office, I was sending him an email that was like,

• 54:34Karen Kilgariff?

  What do you want to do?

• 54:36Karen Kilgariff?

  Absolutely, you are not allowed to do a podcast anywhere else. It has to be with us. And he was like, I agree.

• 54:42Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, that was very cool.

• 54:43Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 54:43Speaker 06

  And I feel like maybe there's another surprise we want to do with Paul Holes?

• 54:51Karen Kilgariff?

  You have a Paul Holes surprise?

• 54:52Speaker 06

  Oh, my gosh.

• 54:53Speaker 08

  Karen and Georgia. Sounds like you two have gotten yourselves into a bit of a pickle. Sounds like we need to have a conversation.

• 55:04Speaker 08

  It's going to be fun to see who flips on who.

• 55:08Speaker 08

  Ten years? Are you kidding me? I remember the first time I heard about you guys. And I had filmed a investigation discovery documentary on this unsolved Golden State Killer case. It's the one where they had me running in a creek like Forrest Gump. After it was released, the producer called me up and she said, Paul, you're not going to believe this. Karen, Georgia, are you talking about you? I'm like, what?

• 55:37Speaker 08

  Yeah, on the podcast, my favorite murder. I don't know what you're talking about.

• 55:44Speaker 08

  As you know, I don't listen to podcasts, especially when I was still active. But obviously fate ended up intervening, if you will. And I blame you too.

• 56:02Speaker 08

  You know, very special memory is when I flew down to LA to be a surprise guest on, on your show. And I was hidden, in essence, in a closet at the studio where you were recording at the time. And then ultimately was shoved into the room in front of a microphone. And, you know, I never had any experience talking into a microphone before. Especially for something called a podcast. And, you know, at the time, Karen, you and I sort of had a little bit of an online relationship going on. Kind of miss those days, but yeah.

• 56:47Speaker 08

  Anyways, that was an amazing experience. And by the way, Karen, Georgia was in on it the entire time. I don't know if she's ever divulged that.

• 56:59Karen Kilgariff?

  Did I tell you that? Oh my God. She knew, she knew it was coming. I knew it.

• 57:04Speaker 08

  Thank you so much for all the support you've given me. Thank you for supporting Buried Bones. I think it's been way too long since we have sat down together, had a drink and just caught up.

• 57:19Speaker 08

  And probably need to include Kate because if we don't, she's gonna kick my ass.

• 57:26Speaker 08

  If she doesn't, our producer Alexis will definitely do that. 10 years. It's been an amazing 10 years. I'm looking forward to the next 10 years.

• 57:36Karen Kilgariff?

  Please no.

• 57:37Speaker 08

  Again, and.

• 57:39Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 57:40Speaker 08

  SS TGF.

• 57:43Speaker 08

  You guys take care.

• 57:45Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 57:47Speaker 06

  So sweet.

• 57:48Karen Kilgariff?

  Paul's was here. That was really lovely.

• 57:51Georgia Hardstark?

  Do you know, after we recorded that surprise appearance by him, we were all going to the Tam O Shanter and after to have lunch and somehow he got put in the car with me, even though I was like, I can't drive anywhere with a cop. And the whole, he was like trying to chit chat with me the whole way, but I was like so focused on not like breaking the law. And I just kept going through my head of like, all the things I've done that are illegal in my life. Just sitting next to, and he's like such like stoic dude, you know? And I was just like, be cool, be fucking cool, be fucking cool. The minute we got to Tam, I was like, whiskey, please. Just like, I can't.

• 58:28Karen Kilgariff?

  So funny.

• 58:28Georgia Hardstark?

  Be alone in a car with Paul fucking Holes. And like, he's gorgeous too. That did not help.

• 58:33Karen Kilgariff?

  He's a lovely man. This is the kind of lesson, as you well know, that we learned on the podcast all the time, which is you say one offhand thing.

• 58:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 58:40Karen Kilgariff?

  Because it feels like you're in a private conversation with your friend.

• 58:44Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 58:44Karen Kilgariff?

  That of course, a bunch of people are actually listening to. So, and that happened with a bunch of stuff, but with the Paul Holes thing, I was just like, this hot guy's talking about, you know, whatever, very whatever. And then I said he looked like the guy from Hunter. And then all of a sudden, my whole Twitter feed is like, everybody adding me and talking about it and talking about it. And then he came in, then he was, and then people went crazy. And it was like, the hot for Holes movement starts. It was, and I'm just like sitting there looking at like, again, we did not plan for this. We didn't do it on purpose.

• 59:18Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 59:18Karen Kilgariff?

  And then there was like, the people who were coming in going, he's married. Like, how dare you? Where I'm like, he's doing it too. We're like, it was just so surreal. Yeah.

• 59:29Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, it was an incredible moment.

• 59:30Karen Kilgariff?

  Crazy.

• 59:31Speaker 06

  Well, speaking of moments, should we get into our favorite episodes? Number four?

• 59:34Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 59:34Speaker 06

  Our favorite episodes?

• 59:36Georgia Hardstark?

  Sure.

• 59:36Karen Kilgariff?

  What's your favorite episode?

• 59:39Speaker 06

  I mean, Mary Vincent.

• 59:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 59:41Speaker 06

  Like, I just think that story has like stuck with me personally over the years. And I feel like it's one of those things anytime I've run into murderinos. Besides, before you started touring again, anytime I'd run into a murderino, they're like, when are Karen and George are going back on tour? But like, yeah, Mary Vincent's story is just, it's an all-timer.

• 59:58Georgia Hardstark?

  That's the one I see. Yeah, I see that one mentioned like online more than any other one. Or like, I listened to that and became a murderino. Like, that's totally the one. So, good job.

• 1:00:07Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, thank you kindly. I mean, honestly, the Anaheim deaths at Disneyland was just, it was, it was unexpected. And it's so fun as a surprise for me, because, you know, it's a surprise for, George and I don't know the stories we're about to tell each other. Ever in 10 years, we've never known. And so that one was like, because we were in Anaheim, it was like, the people, the locals, the people who've had to deal with Disneyland, or worked at Disneyland, or know all that stuff. And we were also in this funny little room that felt like a conference room at like the Hyatt, that they had made into like a theater for us.

• 1:00:47Karen Kilgariff?

  So at certain points, it was like rocking, literally like the room was rocking with like the back and forth of it all. And it was like, that experience couldn't have happened in any other way without that story making it happen.

• 1:01:03Georgia Hardstark?

  And I love that so much because, and I said this about hometowns recently too. So deaths at amusement parks have been an anxiety obsession of mine since I was a kid. Like, I remember the first time I heard about someone dying on Space Mountain at Disneyland as like a six-year-old, and being like, what the fuck, I need to know everything about this. So like this podcast, that's true crime, and also with hometowns where it's like, I want to know what happened in your fucking neighborhood that you can't stop thinking about, because shit happened in mine, and I have not been able to stop thinking about them my whole life. Because I have anxiety, but also like, how could you, there's people who just go around places and not think about the worst things that could happen? Who the fuck are you?

• 1:01:43Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:01:43Georgia Hardstark?

  So getting to do that story, so even though it's true crime, deaths at Disneyland, you wouldn't think. Goes along with that and like getting to sit on stage and tell you and like whole audience that are excited to hear about my biggest fears and share it and not be called names or not be like sent to rehab or whatever like it's just so fucking incredible and special. And then the hometowns too, where it's like, I used to just ask random people once in a while, what, you know, what happened? Now we get like fucking inundated and I get to hear everyone's story. And I just like, and that's my career.

• 1:02:18Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:02:19Georgia Hardstark?

  And that's my life.

• 1:02:20Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:20Georgia Hardstark?

  And that's why like I was able, I can like help my family with money like is because of this. So that's just an incredibly special, amazing thing.

• 1:02:29Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, it's just the, it's, you think you're alone or you think you're different or weird. And then to have all these people be like, no, I had the exact same thought you had, or I had the exact same fear you have. And that, or that idea of like, when we're going through those deaths, and this is the misunderstanding that happens all the time. No one likes the death part.

• 1:02:49Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 1:02:50Karen Kilgariff?

  That's not what we're doing.

• 1:02:51Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:02:51Karen Kilgariff?

  We're basically talking about those things going, this happened, it's so awful. We're together. You're not alone reading this in the dark in your bed anymore. Like, we somehow bridge this gap of that we didn't realize needed to be bridged so badly.

• 1:03:06Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:03:07Karen Kilgariff?

  Of like, we're gonna talk about it together and it's gonna have all the elements, not, it's not just jokes, it's not comedy the whole time. It's comedy, tragedy, comedy, tragedy, poignant moment, personal moment. Like, it hits all those buttons.

• 1:03:23Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:03:23Karen Kilgariff?

  And not consciously. It's just like, that's just kind of how we figured out how to do it.

• 1:03:29Speaker 06

  Yeah. Well, and for you, are your favorite episodes of your own, just the kind of rabbit holes you would have gone, or you feel like half the time you were like, well, I've already been reading about this for like a few weeks, like

• 1:03:38Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:39Speaker 06

  Typhoid Mary, or like the Galapa ghost stories. That was like stuff that you were already interested, different plane crashes or bridge collapses or moth, like that was just was stuff you both were already interested in.

• 1:03:49Georgia Hardstark?

  I can't, when, when there is a day, like when we're gonna record, and even when things have been so fucking stressful in our world and everything that's going on. And I go, I can't, in my mind, I think, I can't wait to tell Karen about the story. I can't, like, or I'm writing, you know, putting the finishing touches on it. I mean, like, oh, I can't, I'm gonna add this because Karen's gonna like. When I'm excited to tell Karen a story, that's when I know it's gonna be a good episode. And whether that's onstage or just here, I mean, that's when I know it's like. So even a cold case, I'd be like, okay, I have to make this cold case worth it to tell her.

• 1:04:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:22Georgia Hardstark?

  Or she's gonna be pissed. So like, how do I make this the cold case story that Karen is like, okay, hearing?

• 1:04:28Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:28Georgia Hardstark?

  And that's when I know it's gonna be like a good episode or a good story that I tell.

• 1:04:32Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, we're each other's perfect audience.

• 1:04:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:35Karen Kilgariff?

  Because then it's like, you're, you know, come along with me where I bring you into my British Victorian 1800s thing that you don't care about, but I'm gonna make you care about it.

• 1:04:46Georgia Hardstark?

  And I do now, I do. I mean, it is like, yeah, like, you know, to be totally transparent, there have been times when we have not been getting along and then we'll record and I'll go, fuck, that's so special. Like, fuck, we're so good together. And it's just like undeniable. And it just softens as part of you, you know?

• 1:05:06Karen Kilgariff?

  Also, to me, it's funny because I feel like the not getting along has always been, oh, are you having trouble doing your gigantic business with the person you met four months ago? Like, every time I would be upset or frustrated or whatever, it would be like, who has ever done a situation like this well and gracefully the whole time? And like, with complete unity, it's like, not getting along is how you get through a thing like that. And it's basically saying, I have, you know, you have your opinion, I have my opinion. Can we get together and decide what's best for this third thing?

• 1:05:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 1:05:41Karen Kilgariff?

  Which is not either of us, it's this thing.

• 1:05:43Georgia Hardstark?

  Which we both fucking care about so much and you can't fight over a thing you're both so passionate about. I do think both of us having older sisters was very helpful for us.

• 1:05:53Speaker 06

  Like, the sister element was such a reoccurring theme in both of you having older sisters, like.

• 1:05:58Georgia Hardstark?

  I think it's a kismet thing, for sure.

• 1:06:01Karen Kilgariff?

  But it's also the worst version because no little sister wants to be older sistered by somebody else. So we've gone through our whole lives being absolutely oppressed by our older sisters in some ways. And so then when you start hearing the older sister tone, which I love, I know exactly how to copy my sister's voice. You know, in that thing of like, it took me way too long to realize that's exactly what Georgia doesn't want to hear. So like, that's not going to convince her of anything. That's actually going to push her the other direction.

• 1:06:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Trigger me into like, all my bad habits that happen when I get, you know.

• 1:06:40Karen Kilgariff?

  Well, and also, when it's like, what we're fighting about is not who's gonna drive to the party. It's this thing that's highly impactful and there's all these people waiting to see and money and pressure and decisions. And it's like, yeah, and also, we have to get through this. We have to get through this.

• 1:06:59Georgia Hardstark?

  And it doesn't matter how bad, exactly. Every week, you still have to come meet up on a Monday and fucking tell each other stories.

• 1:07:06Speaker 06

  Do it. No, there was no Christmas or New Year's off. It was like, back then, you had to do a podcast every week. There was no, like, summer off, like, nothing.

• 1:07:15Karen Kilgariff?

  Because the second you even got slightly popular, that's when people were like, I think we one time did it on a different day.

• 1:07:22Speaker 06

  Yeah. Well, because the Golden State Killer press conference. We waited to, in the morning.

• 1:07:26Karen Kilgariff?

  Stephen knows exactly what I'm talking about.

• 1:07:28Speaker 06

  That one very specifically, I remember, because we were like, no, we should watch this.

• 1:07:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 1:07:32Speaker 06

  And then we recorded it like around noon, and then I got it up like by four PM on a Thursday.

• 1:07:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Sure did hear about it.

• 1:07:39Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:40Speaker 06

  No, there was, I mean, back in the day, it was like, if something was late, or it was like, oh god, what's happening? Are they okay? Can we do a wellness check?

• 1:07:47Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes. It would be me and you talking at 7:30 in the morning, because I'd look at Twitter, and people would be like, um, I don't know, it's my automatic thing, or whatever. And then I'd be like, Stephen, did something bad happen? Like, first watch was up.

• 1:08:02Speaker 06

  I fell asleep at the computer. I'm so sorry.

• 1:08:03Georgia Hardstark?

  By the time I woke up at 11 o'clock in the morning, you guys would have fixed it for me, so I don't care.

• 1:08:08Speaker 06

  Hey, how's it going, everybody?

• 1:08:09Georgia Hardstark?

  Hey, I just woke up. What's happening?

• 1:08:12Karen Kilgariff?

  And then the fighting begins.

• 1:08:13Speaker 06

  Yeah. Well, but again, no physical violence, I can confirm. That's a serious, nobody, no hair pulling, no nothing.

• 1:08:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Never, ever.

• 1:08:20Karen Kilgariff?

  We've always been able to come back to our senses in some way.

• 1:08:24Georgia Hardstark?

  I've broken some of her shit secretly.

• 1:08:26Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, that's right. I come home and all the mirrors in my house are broken. This is crazy.

• 1:08:32Speaker 06

  Well, I mean, we're counting down. We're at three, and I feel like the catchphrase is, you know, the MFM-ism, stay sexy, like. Well, what point do you remember like when people were like saying things back at you? Were you surprised by like what the stuff was that people were like fuck politeness, the things they were catching on?

• 1:08:48Georgia Hardstark?

  Right, that we'd end up putting on a T-shirt.

• 1:08:50Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:08:51Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, I do remember the first time I someone ever yelled stay sexy at me out of a car in San Francisco on hate, like in the, you know, maybe Vince and I had just gotten married or like for some reason we were in Northern California and some fucking girl yelled stay sexy driving by and I just screamed and don't get murdered like in the middle of a fucking like public place. So like it is still a little bit like you're gonna have to whisper it, you know, because it sounds crazy. Like this girl at a gym recently who worked there who was so lovely. She was like helping me like cancel my membership because I don't go to the fucking gym.

• 1:09:27Karen Kilgariff?

  What do you mean you're at the gym?

• 1:09:28Georgia Hardstark?

  I was canceling my membership that I had paid for for six months and never gone to. And she was so lovely and sweet and on the way out, she was like, stay sexy. I was like, yeah, damn it. Why didn't you tell me you were gonna? But I had to yell, don't get murdered at a gym. So that's all.

• 1:09:44Karen Kilgariff?

  But that's a great like final line.

• 1:09:46Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:46Karen Kilgariff?

  Be like, and bye you guys. You will not see me back here.

• 1:09:49Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 1:09:50Karen Kilgariff?

  I think I've told this story a million times, but it really was very affecting because having already lived in Los Angeles, you know, trying to make it in Los Angeles for at that point, 15 years or more and sitting getting my nails done in Silver Lake near the 99 cent store. And I it was that kind of thing where it's like, I always feel so self-conscious getting my nails done where I'm like, here, like whatever.

• 1:10:17Georgia Hardstark?

  Fix me. Make me look pretty.

• 1:10:19Karen Kilgariff?

  And like in the middle, she was done, but I was in the middle and she this girl just walked up and went, stay sexy and ran and truly literally ran out at like, I was going to be like, shut the fuck. And then I was like, this is perfect because no people don't yell at me. They're always like, I know you don't want to talk to me and run away. And I'm like, whatever I've done to make it be like this, this is my dream come true. I get all the glory, but it's all real quiet, not embarrassing.

• 1:10:48Georgia Hardstark?

  And I think that was so cool about the book too, is that we got, because every chapter is a, you know, one of our things that for some reason people held on to like fuck politeness and stay out of the forest. And so like getting to write a chapter about what that means to us was so cool. Because there are a lot of them that, yeah, we, we don't even know they're a thing until someone else makes art about it.

• 1:11:11Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah. The art that someone made for Live, Laugh, Learn to Levitate. That was the first one. It was on the Facebook page. R.I.P. Steven, you did a lot of hard work for that Facebook page.

• 1:11:22Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, God.

• 1:11:23Karen Kilgariff?

  But that, the person who made it, it was this beautiful, very modern looking, you know, very aesthetic, Live, Laugh, Learn to Levitate. Where, when I first looked at it, I was like, what's this? And then it's like, oh, my God, that's George's quote. And it made me laugh so hard because they did that, like, it's this goofy quote that makes no sense on a thing that looks like it's supposed to be.

• 1:11:43Georgia Hardstark?

  But you'd buy it at Home Goods or something.

• 1:11:45Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes, exactly. And then it's like, oh, my God, these people get it. They get it like down to the bone.

• 1:11:51Georgia Hardstark?

  They have a sense of humor.

• 1:11:52Karen Kilgariff?

  They're so funny. They, they're so.

• 1:11:55Georgia Hardstark?

  And talented.

• 1:11:56Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Like, what a, what a combination.

• 1:11:58Speaker 06

  Even like Stay Saved, Do God's Missions. I feel like that became such a fun, like, hearing people, like, whenever we'd hear people telling the.

• 1:12:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, we see that all the time. Like, yeah, they're like, it's like folklore almost. Like, what is the folklore that's come out of this podcast? And it's like, kind of just, we wouldn't know what it is just talking about it unless someone made a fucking shirt out of it.

• 1:12:20Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes, that's right. And also just, because you can have Christians involved in this podcast. You wouldn't think you could. But you just SSDGM in a different way. You stay saved and you do God's missions.

• 1:12:32Speaker 06

  Do you remember the first time we saw Nick Terry? That was, it was either, I'm trying to remember, it was either Cocaine Bear or, you know, Swiss Cheese Pervert.

• 1:12:41Georgia Hardstark?

  You were in it, right? Like.

• 1:12:43Speaker 06

  There's the Greenland Shark, like, there was just.

• 1:12:45Karen Kilgariff?

  I think it was the Swiss Cheese Pervert, wasn't it?

• 1:12:47Speaker 06

  Yes, it was, yeah.

• 1:12:48Georgia Hardstark?

  It was a Swiss Cheese Pervert.

• 1:12:49Karen Kilgariff?

  Because it was so funny.

• 1:12:50Georgia Hardstark?

  It was, it was, I was speechless. I mean, I still am. Every time I see one now, I'm like, like, he makes me feel so funny when I watch. Like, he makes me like, wow, I'm like, I say funny shit just because Nick Terry puts, you know, hilarious animation to whatever dumb stuff we say.

• 1:13:07Karen Kilgariff?

  We really lucked out with Nick Terry and his ability and willingness, basically, to do this with us. And he has done it. For so long now.

• 1:13:17Georgia Hardstark?

  If you haven't seen it, you guys, go look up MFM Animated. It is just joyful. It's joyful.

• 1:13:22Speaker 06

  Yeah, I feel like he captures, though, even though, again, they weren't video podcasts at the time, like the one learning about the snakes in the walls and he drew you, Karen, like, that's what you were doing on the couch.

• 1:13:34Georgia Hardstark?

  He somehow so, like, even Vince's beard colors are so spot on. I definitely want to get a tattoo of Vince as Nick Terry's MFM Animated.

• 1:13:43Karen Kilgariff?

  That's a great idea.

• 1:13:44Georgia Hardstark?

  Couples tattoos of each other.

• 1:13:46Karen Kilgariff?

  All the way down your ribs.

• 1:13:47Georgia Hardstark?

  What would that be? Or they got Elvis, MFM Animated Elvis?

• 1:13:51Karen Kilgariff?

  Also, just a random story, but of the girl that was going into the candy shop who ends up going like this. Like, the way he did it, yeah, you just have to see it. Just magical and so fun because being a stand-up comic from the 90s, I was raised to at least act like I hated everything I did and judge it. And you couldn't ever be braggy. That was the worst thing in the world. And just being like this, it's like, Nick Terry did it, I didn't do it. So just like, watch this, it's so good, but it's, it's really still me.

• 1:14:20Georgia Hardstark?

  It's not really you, so it's okay.

• 1:14:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, exactly. He did it.

• 1:14:24Speaker 06

  I mean, you brought up Elvis, but I mean, MFM Pets, number two, MFM Pets. I mean, it's a real menagerie.

• 1:14:31Georgia Hardstark?

  I mean, it's.

• 1:14:32Speaker 06

  You both have had over the years.

• 1:14:33Georgia Hardstark?

  That's right. It's so crazy that that is a part of the podcast, you know, like Elvis meowing at the end of the episodes. That was like, a couple of episodes in even.

• 1:14:42Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:42Georgia Hardstark?

  It was just kind of an accidental thing because we needed a funny button at the end of a depressing thing. So, and I feel like it's kind of a thing now to have your pet as part of the podcast.

• 1:14:52Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:14:53Georgia Hardstark?

  But we were just, I just have always loved hearing him meow. And I was like, let's end on this thing that makes me happy.

• 1:14:59Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:15:00Georgia Hardstark?

  But then, yeah, then all our pets now, like, I have so much fan art of my animals and like, it brings me so much fucking joy.

• 1:15:06Karen Kilgariff?

  We have had so many beautiful renderings of our animals, or hilarious renderings. I just remembered there was one, I wanted to get a picture of and I didn't. Which is Frankenblossom currently, oh my god.

• 1:15:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh my gosh.

• 1:15:20Karen Kilgariff?

  That, the two bottom ones I have on my shelves in the front room.

• 1:15:24Georgia Hardstark?

  I have those on my wall.

• 1:15:25Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, gorgeous. That's like, there's people that would pay a thousand dollars for that. And we just had someone bring them to us.

• 1:15:31Georgia Hardstark?

  It's the look of like, like that is what Mimi, that's the face she makes. It's not just like a cat, a calico cat. That's fucking Mimi.

• 1:15:38Karen Kilgariff?

  That literally is Mimi all mad.

• 1:15:40Georgia Hardstark?

  And then George.

• 1:15:41Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, R.I.P.

• 1:15:42Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:43Karen Kilgariff?

  I know. It's so crazy. And also then to have this gorgeous artwork of a dog that like, that's the thing about pets. They're, they're.

• 1:15:50Speaker 06

  They're special, yeah.

• 1:15:51Karen Kilgariff?

  It's special and it's short term. And to have something like that in cartoon version. And like in all these versions and people being like, here, this matters to you. And this is a thing I can do. Like, oh.

• 1:16:04Speaker 06

  Yeah, these were like, these were like dolls almost.

• 1:16:07Georgia Hardstark?

  This is from Mighty Pigeon, who is like an early art, uh, My Favorite Murder.

• 1:16:12Speaker 06

  Twenty seventeen, twenty sixteen.

• 1:16:13Karen Kilgariff?

  Very early.

• 1:16:14Georgia Hardstark?

  Like just wringing it so hard.

• 1:16:17Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, those were amazing.

• 1:16:18Georgia Hardstark?

  I would get that tattooed if I were a tattooed person. There was one I'd love to. I said once that Elvis's head smelled like a library book. And so I loved the smell of his head. Which now I look back and it's like probably just cat litter smell. But someone drew a picture of Elvis, yeah, of Elvis with a, oh, oh, this one is.

• 1:16:36Karen Kilgariff?

  That's gorgeous.

• 1:16:36Georgia Hardstark?

  This is actually huge and it's all made out of like paper mache. Those are all pieces of paper.

• 1:16:42Karen Kilgariff?

  Wow.

• 1:16:42Georgia Hardstark?

  From like a magazine.

• 1:16:43Karen Kilgariff?

  That's incredible. We'll put all of these names on social media so that everyone gets their, gets credit.

• 1:16:49Georgia Hardstark?

  On social media. That is up, like when you walk in my front door, that is front and center.

• 1:16:54Karen Kilgariff?

  Gorgeous art. That's the other thing. It's like, it truly is this gorgeous artwork.

• 1:16:58Georgia Hardstark?

  I didn't think I'd ever be able to like have so much art on my walls. And that's all like, it's all murdering stuff.

• 1:17:05Karen Kilgariff?

  When we were like, oh yeah, we should show all of the artwork that we have at home. I was thinking in my head, it was like, oh, those two like illustrations of them. And, and there's like two more. There is like 11. I have so much of it around my house.

• 1:17:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Same.

• 1:17:20Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah. It's really good. Wait, are there more? Can we look at more?

• 1:17:23Speaker 06

  Oh my gosh.

• 1:17:24Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah. Wow. And what does it say? Can you read the inscription?

• 1:17:27Georgia Hardstark?

  I love you now. Fuck off. That is like, what?

• 1:17:32Speaker 06

  So much dude.

• 1:17:33Karen Kilgariff?

  It truly looks like that's coming up next.

• 1:17:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Totally.

• 1:17:36Karen Kilgariff?

  George and Frank.

• 1:17:37Georgia Hardstark?

  I would watch that cartoon.

• 1:17:39Karen Kilgariff?

  So good.

• 1:17:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Anymore? Oh, Dottie. This is from Scarlet River. She is so, I also have a plate that she, like a Victorian plate that she wrote fuck politeness on in my bathroom.

• 1:17:49Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:17:50Georgia Hardstark?

  Of all places, but this picture of Dottie that she painted is.

• 1:17:53Karen Kilgariff?

  Cutest.

• 1:17:54Georgia Hardstark?

  I just stare at it sometimes. It makes me so happy.

• 1:17:58Karen Kilgariff?

  It's so good. It's so good.

• 1:18:00Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, and then that's a pillow of Dottie that someone gave me and this adorable drawing of Dottie. Somehow Dottie is like super photogenic.

• 1:18:07Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, she is.

• 1:18:08Georgia Hardstark?

  For art. I don't know.

• 1:18:09Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:10Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:18:11Karen Kilgariff?

  It's really good.

• 1:18:12Speaker 06

  Oh, the queen.

• 1:18:13Karen Kilgariff?

  This series, this is the one that's on my dad's refrigerator and it looks like Frank smoking a cigar. And it's such, such beautiful. I think it's watercolor.

• 1:18:23Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, I think so too.

• 1:18:24Karen Kilgariff?

  It's incredible.

• 1:18:25Georgia Hardstark?

  I love it.

• 1:18:25Karen Kilgariff?

  Like watercolor is the hardest.

• 1:18:27Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:18:28Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh.

• 1:18:29Karen Kilgariff?

  Wow.

• 1:18:29Georgia Hardstark?

  Look at them all together.

• 1:18:31Karen Kilgariff?

  I know.

• 1:18:32Georgia Hardstark?

  You think they'd get along?

• 1:18:33Karen Kilgariff?

  No.

• 1:18:34Speaker 06

  Here in the studio, yeah.

• 1:18:35Karen Kilgariff?

  If George was alive, no.

• 1:18:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Is there one of Blossom and Mo, just so we can make sure that the, the new ones get a, get a shout out too?

• 1:18:42Karen Kilgariff?

  I don't know. I don't have one of Blossom because I forgot to take the picture of the one.

• 1:18:46Georgia Hardstark?

  Is there one though?

• 1:18:47Karen Kilgariff?

  It's a Blossom and Frank here and then George is in the middle wearing a halo.

• 1:18:52Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, stop it.

• 1:18:54Karen Kilgariff?

  And it's like, and they have really funny eyes that are very accurate. Like Blossom's eyes looks like she's panicking.

• 1:18:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:00Karen Kilgariff?

  And then Frank's kind of like eye roll.

• 1:19:02Speaker 06

  Do you think it also made people want to share pet stories? Cause I feel like that was so fun. And I think, you know, between the most heartbreaking and harrowing tales in the hometowns, we'd get pet hero stories.

• 1:19:13Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 1:19:14Georgia Hardstark?

  And then you got a lot of Penny Lane art too, right?

• 1:19:17Speaker 06

  Yeah, rest in peace.

• 1:19:18Georgia Hardstark?

  Rest in peace to Penny Lane.

• 1:19:19Speaker 06

  Yeah. I mean, they're all hanging out, having martinis up there.

• 1:19:22Karen Kilgariff?

  That's right.

• 1:19:23Speaker 06

  You know?

• 1:19:23Georgia Hardstark?

  Sounds great.

• 1:19:24Karen Kilgariff?

  George is trying to eat Penny Lane as we speak. She's not a friendly dog. She's not a nice dog.

• 1:19:30Speaker 06

  I think we're at number one.

• 1:19:31Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:19:32Speaker 06

  I mean, obviously the murderinos, number one, the murderino community. Come on.

• 1:19:36Karen Kilgariff?

  Come on.

• 1:19:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Hell, yeah. Like. That's it.

• 1:19:40Karen Kilgariff?

  It's we would not be anywhere without the people that listen, not only listen to this podcast, but cared enough to send us that stuff.

• 1:19:49Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:49Karen Kilgariff?

  Be on that Facebook page every single morning.

• 1:19:51Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 1:19:52Karen Kilgariff?

  Posting memes. I mean.

• 1:19:54Georgia Hardstark?

  Kind of live shows. I have like, people have asked me like, do you get weird experiences with weird fans or whatever? And I'm like, knock on wood, I should maybe shouldn't be saying this. I have never fucking not felt awesome after meeting a person who comes up to me in public.

• 1:20:09Karen Kilgariff?

  A hundred percent.

• 1:20:09Georgia Hardstark?

  And like, I have, it's never been anything but fucking cool.

• 1:20:12Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:13Speaker 06

  Do you ever experience this where somebody says hi and you're like, do I know you?

• 1:20:17Georgia Hardstark?

  You know, I know the look now. Do you know the look?

• 1:20:19Karen Kilgariff?

  A little bit, but I have to say this. This was really embarrassing. Over Christmas break, I went into a store and it was freezing cold as it's been. So in some other store, I bought like a stocking cap and put it on, folded it up because I was, I was freezing. And then I went into the next store and I was like, um, I think, I think they listen to the podcast. And we're talking, talking and then whatever. And then I go home and I go into the bathroom and my stocking cap was standing up.

• 1:20:49Georgia Hardstark?

  Like a hat and a cat, hat, cat and a hat?

• 1:20:52Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes, it was the tallest hat. So it was like, I walked into the store like, hey, can I get a, it was the, it was raised deli. I was ordering a sandwich and I was like, oh, this person knows where I'm in. It's like, no, they don't. Just the tallest stocking hat. Like a turkey sandwich and a whatever.

• 1:21:09Speaker 06

  I mean.

• 1:21:09Georgia Hardstark?

  You can tell though, like.

• 1:21:11Speaker 06

  Yeah. Well, I was gonna say, I like the experience and I feel like the relationship you've built with people when you were both read, like on a flight, like waiting to leave somewhere and some people took a selfie and like with you behind and you took a selfie back. Like just come and say hi. Like don't be weird.

• 1:21:26Georgia Hardstark?

  I think we, yeah, we commented on it.

• 1:21:28Speaker 06

  People at ease all the time. Like, no, we like the same stuff. We're passionate about the same things. Let's just like gab about that for five minutes, you know?

• 1:21:35Georgia Hardstark?

  When this stops happening, that's the problem. When people are like, I'm so sorry to bother you. I'm like, you're not fucking bothering me. Like I have, I'm here because of you. I have what I have because of you. It's just, yeah.

• 1:21:46Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah. We're, it's not like we were two young actresses on, on a hit sitcom or something like that. It's like, we, first of all. You know, worked for years trying to get to a place like this.

• 1:22:00Georgia Hardstark?

  Totally.

• 1:22:00Karen Kilgariff?

  Both of us and then got it. And then I think very much kept each other aware of what we had and how, how lucky we were to have it. And like, I think that piece, you know, I'm grateful to you for, for keeping the gratitude kind of like front and center. Because that piece of it really is like, if you just start believing that this is, we somehow figured out a something, that's crazy because it came as surprisingly and as kind of like a wave. It's just, it wasn't our doing. We were doing this thing over here and they showed up, assembled themselves, started doing subgroups. Oh, we're murderinos

• 1:22:42Karen Kilgariff?

  that also have really bad allergies or whatever the fuck. And, and people basically organized themselves.

• 1:22:48Speaker 06

  Meet up later, after shows. Now are friends for life. People are best friends because of, after meeting after shows.

• 1:22:55Karen Kilgariff?

  Right. And they say like, in the comments, like, I feel like we all accomplished this together. And it totally does feel like that. Like we all, we're all a little like 10 years. Cause it's for, it's all of ours. It's not, yeah, we're not actresses. We didn't get cast to do this. And then people come up to us and they say, I feel like I know you. And I'm always like, you fucking do. Because we've told you literally everything about ourselves. There's nothing worse than telling a story. I told Alison and Nicole a story today. And as I was telling it, I was like, but you both know that because I've told this on the show before. It's like, I literally have about 17 stories and I've told them all on this goddamn podcast.

• 1:23:33Georgia Hardstark?

  You know what gives me away every time? Having a really tall husband. People see him and go, oh. And then they're like, like I get noticed because I have a really tall husband with a, you know, distinctive beard and everything. Like I saw Vince and then I saw you. I knew you were there. I'm like, I know.

• 1:23:48Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:49Georgia Hardstark?

  But it's, yeah, it's, and you can see the face. There's a face. They, they make this face and then.

• 1:23:53Karen Kilgariff?

  Because it's podcasting. So it's not like they recognize you immediately.

• 1:23:57Georgia Hardstark?

  Right. And then you go, ha, you know, I, there's been half as many times as someone comes up to me, I've said to them like, hi, you know, I've initiated it because I can tell. Or they have a shirt, my favorite murder shirt on or something like that.

• 1:24:08Karen Kilgariff?

  And because you don't wear tall hats. So you know, you know for a fact, that's what the face is.

• 1:24:12Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 1:24:12Karen Kilgariff?

  I'll doubt it for the rest of my life.

• 1:24:14Speaker 06

  Oh, my gosh. I'm trying to think if there's anything else. I can't believe it.

• 1:24:19Karen Kilgariff?

  Steven, what's your favorite memory? Do you have a favorite memory?

• 1:24:22Speaker 06

  I don't know. I mean, I think just having a space where I feel like being trusted so much. I mean, the idea that we, it was the three of us and it was like, you let me edit this show and then put it out without anyone else looking at it was like a lot of trust. Like I'm really grateful for that. I feel like it really, I mean, again, I feel like I've learned so much from the both of you and like that stuff that sticks with me even now. Like that's a confidence boost. Hey, by the way, we're gonna put such a million people like, I think you'll do all right.

• 1:25:00Georgia Hardstark?

  We got it. We got this. Well, yeah, it is funny. You, what we were saying before you got here, like you did actually experience all of this, the craziness in the beginning with us. It's like you, us and you and Vince are the only people who were like going, what the, all of us were like, what's happening? What is this? It's a very like small, little special group that will never, you know, no one will ever be able to understand fully.

• 1:25:24Speaker 06

  20th reunion, 30th reunion. We'll put the streamers up. We'll do prom photos.

• 1:25:30Georgia Hardstark?

  Steven, edit that out, please, right now.

• 1:25:34Georgia Hardstark?

  Thank you so much for being here, Steven.

• 1:25:36Speaker 06

  I'm so happy. I'm so grateful you guys asked me back.

• 1:25:38Georgia Hardstark?

  We couldn't do it without you.

• 1:25:40Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, thank you so much. You really, you gave it your all and then some and will always be so grateful for the job you did for us, really.

• 1:25:49Speaker 06

  And now I go back into my slumber for another 17 years.

• 1:25:52Georgia Hardstark?

  Right. We'll call you when we need you.

• 1:25:54Speaker 06

  Thank you.

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• 1:27:41Karen Kilgariff?

  Goodbye.

• 1:27:46Georgia Hardstark?

  Steven.

• 1:27:47Karen Kilgariff?

  Steven Ray Morris.

• 1:27:48Georgia Hardstark?

  What a special moment that was.

• 1:27:50Karen Kilgariff?

  That really, that was really like old home week.

• 1:27:52Georgia Hardstark?

  I love that.

• 1:27:53Karen Kilgariff?

  And also him being here made me remember things that I haven't thought of in so long.

• 1:27:57Georgia Hardstark?

  And he remembered way more than I do.

• 1:28:00Karen Kilgariff?

  I know. Yeah, he had a different point of view.

• 1:28:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, that's so awesome. Should we do our last segment? We were gonna do something called Then and Now?

• 1:28:09Karen Kilgariff?

  So basically, because it's been 10 years, and people have been doing this in the emails that they've been sending us for hometowns and stuff, where basically we've been talking about how it's been 10 years and like what's changed. So we ask people to send in basically what their life has been like these past 10 years.

• 1:28:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, where were you then when you started listening? And where are you now?

• 1:28:30Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, you wanna go first?

• 1:28:31Georgia Hardstark?

  Sure. This is from Calpe on Instagram. "Then, single, struggling, static. Now blossoming, living, and married to the man I met at 50."

• 1:28:43Karen Kilgariff?

  Ooh.

• 1:28:44Georgia Hardstark?

  I know.

• 1:28:45Karen Kilgariff?

  That's beautiful.

• 1:28:46Georgia Hardstark?

  Isn't that sweet?

• 1:28:46Karen Kilgariff?

  This one's from Elastomom417 and it says, "I was in cancer treatment when I found you in 2016. Now I'm 10 years cancer free."

• 1:28:57Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, God. Oh, my God.

• 1:28:59Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:00Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow. That's fucking incredible.

• 1:29:02Karen Kilgariff?

  That must have been so fucking scary. And it's like, to be able to report that news. I hope that felt great, Elastomom.

• 1:29:09Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my God. Marissa Rivas says, "I was 21 getting out of a toxic relationship. Now I'm 27, married and a professor."

• 1:29:18Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:29:19Georgia Hardstark?

  You became a professor in the time you listened to us.

• 1:29:22Karen Kilgariff?

  No, I was a professor the whole time.

• 1:29:24Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, right.

• 1:29:24Karen Kilgariff?

  No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Let's see. This one's from Anne MWM Sun. And it says, "I was a polite 40-year-old then. Now I'm a 50-year-old who regularly fucks politeness."

• 1:29:36Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes.

• 1:29:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Great.

• 1:29:38Georgia Hardstark?

  Love it. Zella Kell says, "D1 listener."

• 1:29:42Karen Kilgariff?

  Hmm.

• 1:29:42Georgia Hardstark?

  Day one listener.

• 1:29:43Karen Kilgariff?

  Yay.

• 1:29:44Georgia Hardstark?

  That says, "Grad school, forensic scientist for military, biologist at CDC now."

• 1:29:49Karen Kilgariff?

  Whoa.

• 1:29:50Georgia Hardstark?

  We have a friend at the CDC.

• 1:29:51Karen Kilgariff?

  We've got an insider at the CDC.

• 1:29:53Georgia Hardstark?

  Fuck, yeah.

• 1:29:54Karen Kilgariff?

  Hell, yes. This is from KirstyJC5 and it says, "I was starting a new scary male-dominated work industry. Now I'm thriving in the industry."

• 1:30:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Fuck, yeah.

• 1:30:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Hell, yes. Oh, rodeo clown.

• 1:30:09Georgia Hardstark?

  Do we have any rodeo clowns that listen?

• 1:30:11Karen Kilgariff?

  Please write in.

• 1:30:12Georgia Hardstark?

  Please write in.

• 1:30:13Karen Kilgariff?

  If you do.

• 1:30:14Georgia Hardstark?

  S. Rappurkins something says, "I was 16 years old, just starting community college. Now I'm 26-year-old professional ASL interpreter."

• 1:30:25Karen Kilgariff?

  Whoa.

• 1:30:26Georgia Hardstark?

  We have smart listeners.

• 1:30:27Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, we do. This is from Bird.Sofe and it says, "In 2016, I was a sophomore in high school. Now I teach sophomores."

• 1:30:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:30:36Karen Kilgariff?

  What a turn.

• 1:30:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Full circle.

• 1:30:38Karen Kilgariff?

  Always in sophomore year, though. Nightmare.

• 1:30:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Maybe the worst year, arguably.

• 1:30:44Karen Kilgariff?

  Actually, well, you know, hopefully be nice to the sophomores.

• 1:30:47Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay. This is from Carolyn Marie S. She says, "Skinny dipping in my college apartment's pool versus drinking wine while hiding from my kids."

• 1:31:00Karen Kilgariff?

  Uh, this one is Christina Kay, I think. And it says, in a cult versus not in a cult. What a change.

• 1:31:09Georgia Hardstark?

  Were you in a cult at any point, listening to this podcast? Write to us at myfavoritemurder@gmail. We need to know everything.

• 1:31:14Karen Kilgariff?

  Please tell us everything. We'll do a crossover with, trust me.

• 1:31:17Georgia Hardstark?

  That's right. My last one could have been written by me. It's by We Amy. And it says, then, normal. Now, perimenopausal as hell.

• 1:31:26Karen Kilgariff?

  Yep.

• 1:31:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Same.

• 1:31:28Karen Kilgariff?

  Mine last one is Brayden Arskey. And it says, single, broke, unhappy. Now I'm still broke, not as unhappy, lol.

• 1:31:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, good.

• 1:31:37Karen Kilgariff?

  We're not looking for huge changes.

• 1:31:39Georgia Hardstark?

  You don't have to do jack shit in 10 years. Just survive.

• 1:31:43Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, and survive with us.

• 1:31:45Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, and you know, just basically listen to our tagline and try to do that.

• 1:31:50Karen Kilgariff?

  That's true. We have our own then and now.

• 1:31:54Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:31:54Karen Kilgariff?

  Our then and now is that then, we were two gals in an unconditioned apartment.

• 1:32:00Georgia Hardstark?

  Unair-conditioned or with un- and with unconditioned hair?

• 1:32:03Karen Kilgariff?

  With unconditional love in our hearts and...

• 1:32:07Georgia Hardstark?

  No makeup, don't care about what I'm wearing, wore a lot of house dresses. Oh, my God, there's the picture.

• 1:32:12Karen Kilgariff?

  There we are. That is truly what it looked like and felt like to record.

• 1:32:16Georgia Hardstark?

  Literally.

• 1:32:17Karen Kilgariff?

  At Georgia's apartment.

• 1:32:18Georgia Hardstark?

  I think that the thing behind me that looks like a big machinery thing is a portable air conditioner that I tried to get to work, but I had a sliding glass door, so it wouldn't work.

• 1:32:28Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:28Georgia Hardstark?

  And it was too loud to use during the fucking recording anyways.

• 1:32:31Karen Kilgariff?

  So you just put your short shorts on and you said, let's do this thing.

• 1:32:34Georgia Hardstark?

  I used to be able to record in house clothes and I do, I do miss that. Just a lot of ass and a lot of feet going on and a lot of cheekbone from Karen.

• 1:32:43Karen Kilgariff?

  That's right. I wasn't afraid to suck my cheeks in and take a selfie every once in a while. So that was us then.

• 1:32:49Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Now, we're here and...

• 1:32:54Karen Kilgariff?

  The exciting thing is

• 1:32:55Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:56Karen Kilgariff?

  we're on Netflix.

• 1:32:57Georgia Hardstark?

  We're on fucking Netflix.

• 1:32:59Karen Kilgariff?

  This podcast, as a video podcast, is going to be on Netflix.

• 1:33:03Georgia Hardstark?

  It's now exclusively on Netflix. It happened really fast, so I didn't really have like a lot of time to absorb it. And I was like, oh, we're just, our video is moving to Netflix. Nothing is really changing that much. But the amount of people I got that like I know that reached out that were like Netflix, congra- like, and this is just like, oh, we're just moving to Netflix.

• 1:33:21Karen Kilgariff?

  We've been-

• 1:33:22Georgia Hardstark?

  People, it's like, it's Netflix.

• 1:33:24Karen Kilgariff?

  It's the only thing my dad watches. It's a very big deal. He might actually pay attention to the show from now on.

• 1:33:30Georgia Hardstark?

  My stepdad sent me a photo of the graphic of us on Netflix, which he's never done. I didn't even know he knew how to do that.

• 1:33:39Karen Kilgariff?

  So we're not going to be changing at all, audience.

• 1:33:42Georgia Hardstark?

  No.

• 1:33:43Karen Kilgariff?

  That was, that was a joke about being on camera for Netflix.

• 1:33:46Georgia Hardstark?

  What if I just flashed my tits?

• 1:33:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Well, we're very happy to be here and thank you to our listeners for getting us here.

• 1:33:55Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:55Karen Kilgariff?

  And for being with us while we got here.

• 1:33:57Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, we couldn't have done it without you. We appreciate you guys so fucking much.

• 1:34:01Karen Kilgariff?

  So do us a favor and stay sexy.

• 1:34:02Georgia Hardstark?

  And don't get murdered.

• 1:34:05Karen Kilgariff?

  Goodbye.

• 1:34:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Elvis, do you want a cookie?

• 1:34:15Karen Kilgariff?

  This has been an Exactly Right Production.

• 1:34:17Georgia Hardstark?

  Our senior producer is Molly Smith and our associate producer is Tessa Hughes.

• 1:34:21Karen Kilgariff?

  Our editor is Aristotle Lasaveta.

• 1:34:23Georgia Hardstark?

  This episode was mixed by Leona Scolacci.

• 1:34:25Karen Kilgariff?

  Our researchers are Mira McGlashan and Ali Elkin.

• 1:34:28Georgia Hardstark?

  Email your hometowns to [email protected].

• 1:34:31Karen Kilgariff?

  And follow the show on Instagram at MyFavoriteMurder.

• 1:34:33Georgia Hardstark?

  Listen to My Favorite Murder on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 1:34:38Karen Kilgariff?

  Or you can watch us on YouTube. Search for My Favorite Murder, then like and subscribe.

• 1:34:43Georgia Hardstark?

  Goodbye.

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