502 - Washington Favorites

On this Washington quilt episode, we revisit Karen and Georgia’s coverage of the Seattle cyanide poisonings from November 8, 2018 and the “Barefoot Bandit” from June 23, 2022. For our sources, please visit https://www.myfavoritemurder.com/episodes. Support this podcast by shopping our latest sponsor deals and promotions at this link: https://bit.ly/3UFCn1g. Head to social media to share your favorite moments from this episode. Instagram: instagram.com/myfavoritemurder http://instagram.com/myfavoritemurder Facebook: facebook.com/myfavoritemurder http://facebook.com/myfavoritemurder TikTok: tiktok.com/@my_favorite_murder http://tiktok.com/@my_favorite_murder Watch full episodes of My Favorite Murder on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@my_favorite_murder Send your hometown stories to [email protected] mailto:[email protected]. Join the Fan Cult to access ad-free episodes of My Favorite Murder. Members also receive merch store discounts, exclusive audio and video content and more! Visit www.fancult.supercast.com http://www.fancult.supercast.com/ to join. Shop for My Favorite Murder and other Exactly Right merchandise here: www.exactlyrightstore.com http://www.exactlyrightstore.com/. Rate, review and follow My Favorite Murder on the iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you like to listen. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:10Karen Kilgariff?

  Georgia is going to tell the story of Stella Nickel and the Seattle cyanide poisonings. And then Karen will cover Colton Harris Moore, better known as the Barefoot Bandit. And just so you guys know, we'll be in Seattle on October 21st and 22nd. A few tickets are still available, so go to myfavoritemurder.com/live to get yours. Until then, please enjoy this Washington quilt episode. Goodbye.

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• 4:34Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, well, speaking of Seattle. Oh. I'm not gonna tell you too much about this because I want you to kind of guess some shit. But this is basically the Seattle cyanide poisonings. Ah, my first guess was gonna be Bigfoot, but I guessed that. Now that I hear the word cyanide, I'm gonna retract it. Okay, it's not Bigfoot. Okay. Okay, June 11th, 1986. Mmm. Right after my sixth birthday, in Auburn, Washington. Right after my 16th birthday. Oh my god. We did a surprise party, it was fun. Cute, so Auburn, Washington, it's a suburb about 25 miles outside of Seattle. Forty-year-old Susan Snow, she's a mother of two teenage girls, she works as a bank manager. She woke up at 6:00 a.m. and started her normal morning routine.

• 5:19Georgia Hardstark?

  She kissed her husband Paul, who was a long-haul trucker, goodbye as he left for work. And wished her 15-year-old daughter Haley a good morning. Goes into her bathroom, plugs in her curling iron, starts to get ready for work. But another one of her normal routines in the morning, which she did all the time because she suffered from really painful headaches. She took her, pretty much daily dose of two extra-strength Excedrin capsules. Uh oh. From the bottle in her kitchen. Oh shit. That's right. About 40 minutes after she went into her bathroom to get ready, her daughter Haley went into the bathroom to see what was taking her mom so long. No. I know, and found Sue collapsed on the floor of the bathroom.

• 6:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Sue was unresponsive but had a faint pulse. And when Haley called 911, she told them that it seemed like her mother was asleep but with her eyes open. Oh no. I know. That's so awful for her. It's so sad.

• 6:16Georgia Hardstark?

  Gasping for breath and her pulse fading, Sue's flown by helicopter to the hospital where doctors work to determine what is even wrong with her. They don't know how to help her because they can't figure out what's wrong. Maybe she slipped while getting ready and hit her head, but she didn't have any bruises. Had she been electrocuted by the curling iron? No. And nothing seemed to add up, and so doctors were baffled, and just a few hours later, Sue Snow had died. Shit. Yeah. During the autopsy on Sue Snow, this chick assistant, she's the assistant medical examiner, Janet Miller, she's like, yo, I fucking smell a very faint scent of bitter almonds, Yeah. which I am, I know from experience means cyanide.

• 6:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Now, you were pointing at yourself, Georgia, but you, you were playing the part. Janet is like, yo. You were in the role of Janet. Yes, Janet knows from experience that like, that's the scent that bitter almonds. Historically. Historically, like the, the book that was written about this is named bitter almonds. Is it really? Yeah.

• 7:18Georgia Hardstark?

  Because also it's kind of a play on word. It is. Mm-hmm. Uh, as you'll see soon, um, the main medical examiner person was like, shut up, you assistant, be quiet, I don't smell anything. Oh. And, and they're like, well, and also it doesn't show any of the telltale signs of cyanide poisoning, like her skin wasn't bright pink, that sort of thing. So she was like, blew her off. She was gonna just put down that she died of natural causes, had an undiagnosed heart issue and Janet, uh, then later this doctor comes in to say to the main person, so what happened? And she starts to, to tell her like, oh, it's just a heart issue. And Janet's like, yo, motherfuckers, you should probably listen to me. And like told another doctor was like, Good. this bitch is not listening to me. You should listen to me. Awesome.

• 8:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Amazing. And her fucking politeness and saying, and not staying in her lane might've saved a bunch of other lives. I bet it did. I bet it did because, so, uh, when they sent Janet's, uh, you know, tissue, blood, things. Sure. To the. Information. Information. When it was tested, it was verified that Snow had died of an acute cyanide poisoning. And then I wrote, and Janet, Janet was like, booyah, bitches, and toasted her badassness with her friends that night, probably. Don't you think they all had like champagne and was like, I fucking told this bitch. It was, it was fucking cyanide. But also why resist? Yeah. If you're looking into someone's death. A 40 year old woman dies unexpectedly, there's no explanation. And someone smells the faintest bit of fucking bitter almonds. Yeah.

• 8:48Georgia Hardstark?

  And also just like, it's that thing of how many years of, uh, coroners being like, I guess it's a, it was a heart embolism or like some weird made up thing where it's like, or look into it. Right. Or if one person smells almonds. Yeah. And the thing about cyanide too, is that, uh, the ability to smell it is, uh, genetic and 20 to 40% of the population don't carry the gene to detect it.

• 9:11Karen Kilgariff?

  Ooh, then you shouldn't be allowed to be the coroner.

• 9:13Georgia Hardstark?

  That's right, or you should have someone who can.

• 9:15Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 9:15Georgia Hardstark?

  I don't know.

• 9:17Karen Kilgariff?

  These are the things we're gonna get solved in the next midterm elections.

• 9:20Georgia Hardstark?

  That's right, we're gonna have a ballot, a ballot measure, and it's gonna be great.

• 9:25Karen Kilgariff?

  Smell that, smell that cyanide.

• 9:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Hey, does it smell like cyanide to you?

• 9:29Karen Kilgariff?

  Then get the fuck out of this department!

• 9:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, so investigators go and examine the contents of Sue's house, and they discover that the source of the cyanide is the bottle of extra strength Excedrin capsules that both Snow and her husband Paul had used the morning of Snow's death. Three capsules out of those that remain in the 60 capsule bottle were found to be laced with cyanide in toxic quantities. So the husband fucking took some, she took some, and she died. And there was three more in there.

• 10:00Karen Kilgariff?

  Whoa.

• 10:01Georgia Hardstark?

  That were cyanide laced, right? Suspicious. And, so, this murder by cyanide is a fucking huge sensational news, of course, across the nation. And everyone loses their shit, especially because just four years earlier was the 1982 Chicago Tylenol murders.

• 10:18Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 10:18Georgia Hardstark?

  That I covered in episode 43, where, yes, I looked that up. That's one of my, still one of my favorites.

• 10:24Karen Kilgariff?

  I covered an episode 43.

• 10:26Georgia Hardstark?

  I covered, all I'm saying is I'm not gonna get into it because you can-

• 10:29Karen Kilgariff?

  No, no, no, I know.

• 10:30Georgia Hardstark?

  You know what I mean?

• 10:30Karen Kilgariff?

  Please back reference. I like that you're referencing your own story.

• 10:34Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, I just don't want to talk too much about it, but it is still like, I love that case so much. I still fucking think that Ted Kaczynski did it. I think it's just like, it's so crazy.

• 10:43Karen Kilgariff?

  It's, it's such a fascinating story.

• 10:45Georgia Hardstark?

  It really is.

• 10:46Karen Kilgariff?

  It's a good lesson.

• 10:47Georgia Hardstark?

  And then, so of course, the Chicago Tylenol murders scared the shit out of everyone. Seven people died when Tylenol capsules had been laced with cyanide and put back on store shelves, and those murders, four years later, and to this fucking day, have yet to be solved.

• 11:00Karen Kilgariff?

  I remember all of this, this is, this was all- My teen years.

• 11:04Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 11:05Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, it was crazy.

• 11:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Do you remember this story?

• 11:07Karen Kilgariff?

  I do because, because it happened after and it had that thing of like, this was before.

• 11:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Is this a thing now that's happening all the time?

• 11:15Karen Kilgariff?

  Right. It's, it's, um, because it was before the silver tabs that used to go on top of everything.

• 11:20Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 11:20Karen Kilgariff?

  They're used to, you used to just open stuff and there would just be cotton stuff in the top. And that was the way that they kept things safe for everybody.

• 11:27Georgia Hardstark?

  There wasn't even childproofing back then.

• 11:29Karen Kilgariff?

  No, there was kind of nothing. So it was that thing of like, yeah, it doesn't make sense that anyone could have access.

• 11:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 11:36Karen Kilgariff?

  It's, it's good that.

• 11:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Anyone with a glue stick who can glue the like tat, the paper box back together can put it back on the shelves.

• 11:42Karen Kilgariff?

  Any weirdo they hire at the weirdo grocery store down the street.

• 11:45Georgia Hardstark?

  That's right.

• 11:46Karen Kilgariff?

  Can get into your business.

• 11:47Georgia Hardstark?

  That's right.

• 11:48Karen Kilgariff?

  It's the thing you don't know, you don't realize it until.

• 11:51Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 11:51Karen Kilgariff?

  Something terrible happens like this.

• 11:53Georgia Hardstark?

  Right. So this happens and of course suspicion immediately falls on Sue's husband, Paul. Especially when he started wearing Hawaiian shirts and shorts after the funeral.

• 12:03Karen Kilgariff?

  No.

• 12:04Georgia Hardstark?

  Like he was on fucking vacay.

• 12:05Karen Kilgariff?

  No.

• 12:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Right. And he got angry when investigators started questioning him. So of course everyone's like, dude, it's Paul. And he was, Sue was his fourth wife.

• 12:14Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh.

• 12:15Georgia Hardstark?

  The, the two daughters weren't, were from her previous marriages. They'd only been married about seven months before Susan's death. And Susan had found out that Paul had cheated on her with an ex.

• 12:24Karen Kilgariff?

  Jesus.

• 12:24Georgia Hardstark?

  But had decided to stay with him. Right? So everyone's suspicious of him.

• 12:28Karen Kilgariff?

  Sorry, they'd only been married seven months and he'd already cheated on her?

• 12:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. Maybe they, I don't know when he cheated, but yeah.

• 12:35Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean.

• 12:35Georgia Hardstark?

  He might've cheated before they got married, but they had only been married for seven months.

• 12:38Karen Kilgariff?

  Get married.

• 12:39Georgia Hardstark?

  Just don't cheat.

• 12:41Karen Kilgariff?

  I know.

• 12:42Georgia Hardstark?

  Just don't.

• 12:43Karen Kilgariff?

  I know. Just don't.

• 12:45Georgia Hardstark?

  Please.

• 12:45Karen Kilgariff?

  But. But then they do.

• 12:48Georgia Hardstark?

  Then they do. Okay. Um, so everyone was like, it's totally him, right?

• 12:53Karen Kilgariff?

  It's Hawaiian shirt Joe.

• 12:55Georgia Hardstark?

  Hawaiian shirt dude.

• 12:56Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 12:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay. But then everything gets crazy and mixed up when another tainted bottle from the same lot, the same manufacturer lot was found in a grocery store nearby Kent, Washington.

• 13:07Karen Kilgariff?

  Fuck.

• 13:08Georgia Hardstark?

  Um, the manufacturers of Excedrin, Bristol Myers, lost their shit, recalled all extra strength Excedrin products in the Seattle, Washington area. And a group of drug companies came together to offer a $300,000 award for the capture of the person responsible.

• 13:22Karen Kilgariff?

  That's pretty cool.

• 13:23Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 13:23Karen Kilgariff?

  The last cool thing any drug company ever did.

• 13:26Georgia Hardstark?

  That's right.

• 13:27Karen Kilgariff?

  Before they started trying to murder all of us.

• 13:29Georgia Hardstark?

  I have proof of something shitty they did in just a second. That's pretty great. Um, that's when, okay, so then this money comes forward and like, we need help finding this. And then this woman, bless her heart, comes forward. Oh. This woman's name is Stella Nickel. She tells authorities that on June 5th, it's about a week before Susan had died, uh, about a week before, uh, her husband, Stella's husband, Bruce had come home with a headache from work, took in a bunch of, took in, taken a bunch of Excedrins. He fucking strolled out to, onto the deck to watch the birds and then suddenly collapsed. Oh, God. He was taken by a helicopter to a Seattle hospital and he died as well. But the doctors

• 14:10Georgia Hardstark?

  said that the cause was emphysema at the time. But Stella said, that doesn't make any fucking sense. He didn't have ex, uh, ex- Eczema? Did I say emphysema or did I say eczema? You said emphysema. Great.

• 14:25Georgia Hardstark?

  She, he, she was like, he didn't have, maybe he had eczema, but he didn't have emphysema. You can't drop dead from emphysema if you don't got it. If you don't have it, right. So she was like, fuck this shit. You need to change, that's not true, right? Okay. So here's, here's, all right. In what was supposed to be the 1991 USA Network made for TV movie about this case. Oh. Called Who Killed Susan Snow? Right. This chick Stella, our friend Stella over here, 44 year old Stella was to be played by Peggy fucking Bundy. Yes. Katie Sagal. Katie Sagal. She was, if you see this woman, it looks so much like her. I don't want to show you a photo, but it looks so much like her. It's like, they, they basically wanted her to be

• 15:07Georgia Hardstark?

  Peggy Bundy, but with like roots and like, kind of look a little worn and like she had lived a hard life. Yes. You know what I mean? Yeah. And it looks exactly like her. Um, according to a 1988 People article, Stella was into, quote, "bar hopping and skin tight dresses." She was just like a 40 something year old who just liked to go to the fucking local watering hole, smoke her Capri's with her skinny lighter in there. Yeah. And fucking drink. And live. Drink and live. And finally live her life. Live like a fish, drink like a person. Yes. Um, and so she had married Bruce and he was into that shit too. So they were like partying all the time. Awesome. Match made in heaven. Exactly. Bruce was Stella's second husband and their life together in a Wash, and they lived in a Washington State trailer park. And apparently it was kind of a bummer

• 15:52Georgia Hardstark?

  of a life though. Okay. As- Couldn't imagine.

• 15:55Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay.

• 15:56Georgia Hardstark?

  But unfortunately, uh, the, the plug got pulled on this film. This made for TV movie.

• 16:02Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh.

• 16:02Georgia Hardstark?

  Because the drug companies, Big Pharma was like, no, no, no, you're not making us possibly look bad. And they fucking pulled the plug. So.

• 16:10Karen Kilgariff?

  Because that's who actually controls entertainment.

• 16:12Georgia Hardstark?

  That's right.

• 16:13Karen Kilgariff?

  Uh.

• 16:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Pharma. So that means I don't know who was gonna play anyone else.

• 16:16Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, okay.

• 16:16Georgia Hardstark?

  Speculate. So. When Stella, who was like, you, you need to keep looking. He didn't die of emphysema. When she heard about the, that Sue's death, she was like, oh shit. And checked her lot number on her Excedrin. It was the same lot number as Sue, Susan's bottle.

• 16:32Karen Kilgariff?

  Whoa, okay.

• 16:33Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. So, um, she, Tess confirmed the presence of cyanide in the bottle that she had. And in Bruce Nichols' remains. So he had died from the same thing.

• 16:43Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay.

• 16:44Georgia Hardstark?

  So both Paul, Susan, Susan's husband Paul, and our friend Stella filed wrongful death lawsuits against Bristol Myers. But the FDA inspected the plant work, the Excedrin lot had been packaged and found no traces of cyanide.

• 16:56Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay.

• 16:57Georgia Hardstark?

  Still Bristol Myers recalled all Excedrin capsules in the United States. Pulled them from the shelves and warned consumers not to use any they already had. So it's like a million dollar loss.

• 17:07Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah. I, I don't think I've, because if I remember correctly, they were the white pills.

• 17:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 17:14Karen Kilgariff?

  I think.

• 17:15Georgia Hardstark?

  Extra strength Excedrin? I think they're still at the time, the ones that you can pull apart and put shit in them.

• 17:20Karen Kilgariff?

  Really?

• 17:20Georgia Hardstark?

  I don't know.

• 17:21Karen Kilgariff?

  Uh, well, from what I remember, there were, it was, looked like hard aspirin.

• 17:25Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 17:25Karen Kilgariff?

  Where I was like, how do you do anything to that pill?

• 17:28Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 17:28Karen Kilgariff?

  But I could just be remembering it that one way.

• 17:30Georgia Hardstark?

  Who knows?

• 17:31Karen Kilgariff?

  Who knows?

• 17:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Not me. So on June 24th, just a couple of weeks after Sue's death, a cyanide contaminated a bottle of extra strength, uh, Anacin. Three, which doesn't exist.

• 17:42Karen Kilgariff?

  Anacin three was.

• 17:43Georgia Hardstark?

  The shit. Tell us, Karen.

• 17:48Karen Kilgariff?

  Anderson, wasn't that one that was like marketed toward back pain?

• 17:52Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, yeah.

• 17:53Karen Kilgariff?

  I feel like it was. Also, Doones. Remember Doones back pills?

• 17:56Georgia Hardstark?

  No.

• 17:57Karen Kilgariff?

  Doones were like strictly back pills.

• 17:59Georgia Hardstark?

  They were just cocaine.

• 18:00Karen Kilgariff?

  It was, it'd just numb you out from like your C4 down.

• 18:04Georgia Hardstark?

  That's right.

• 18:05Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 18:05Georgia Hardstark?

  Um, so a bottle of those were found at the same store where Susan had bought her contaminated Excedrin. And those were contaminated as well. So on June 27th, Washington State put into effect a 90 day ban on the sale of non-prescription medication in capsules. So I think a capsule.

• 18:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, capsules.

• 18:22Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. So I think that it's the kind that you can tamper with.

• 18:25Karen Kilgariff?

  That would make much more sense.

• 18:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Sure, but who knows? So investigators then, at that point, they started to get suspicious of someone specific.

• 18:34Karen Kilgariff?

  Mm-hmm.

• 18:34Georgia Hardstark?

  Who? Our friend Stella. Because

• 18:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh.

• 18:37Georgia Hardstark?

  she turned over two bottles of Excedrin that she had bought. And she was like, these are the bottles that he might have taken them from. But then she was like, I bought them at two different locations at two different times. So, uh, and they had both ended up being contaminated with cyanide. So a total of five bottles had been found to be contaminated in the entire fucking country. And they thought it was really weird that Stella had bought two of those at two different places.

• 19:00Karen Kilgariff?

  Quite a coincidence.

• 19:01Georgia Hardstark?

  Quite a weird coincidence. Then, okay, examinations of the contaminated bottles by the FBI crime lab, they, they opened up these capsules and they found that not, there wasn't just cyanide in them. They also contained this weird thing of little flecks of these green crystals throughout the cyanide.

• 19:19Karen Kilgariff?

  Uh-oh.

• 19:19Georgia Hardstark?

  And they were like, what the fuck is this? This is really weird.

• 19:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Kryptonite?

• 19:23Georgia Hardstark?

  No.

• 19:24Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay.

• 19:24Georgia Hardstark?

  Algae destroyer.

• 19:26Karen Kilgariff?

  Uh-oh. From a fish tank?

• 19:28Georgia Hardstark?

  From a home fish tank. Hey.

• 19:31Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay.

• 19:31Georgia Hardstark?

  Guess who has a fucking home fish tank hobby?

• 19:34Karen Kilgariff?

  Our girl Stella?

• 19:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Stella!

• 19:36Karen Kilgariff?

  Stella the mermaid?

• 19:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Stella the mermaid.

• 19:38Karen Kilgariff?

  Shit.

• 19:39Georgia Hardstark?

  Stella has a fucking home fish tank habit.

• 19:41Karen Kilgariff?

  Girl. So wait, they were breaking down like every chemical compound of like what touched these pills?

• 19:47Georgia Hardstark?

  They probably would have never fucking found her if this hadn't been the case.

• 19:51Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 19:51Georgia Hardstark?

  Because what they think happened is that she, maybe she had a mortar and pestle or whatever the fuck, just crunched that shit in her fucking, that was her algae cruncher. And she never cleaned it out, crunched that fucking cyanide up and the same thing. And so it's just cross contamination.

• 20:05Karen Kilgariff?

  Girl.

• 20:05Georgia Hardstark?

  It's not even on purpose.

• 20:06Karen Kilgariff?

  She did it to herself.

• 20:07Georgia Hardstark?

  She did it to her fucking, like, so simple. So guess what else? Our good friend, life insurance policy.

• 20:14Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh.

• 20:14Georgia Hardstark?

  Comes into play.

• 20:15Karen Kilgariff?

  Sure does. It always does.

• 20:16Georgia Hardstark?

  It always does. It's not just for fun.

• 20:18Karen Kilgariff?

  No.

• 20:19Georgia Hardstark?

  So Stella had taken out a total of about $76,000 in life insurance coverage on her husband, which in today, that's 1988, in today's money is.

• 20:27Karen Kilgariff?

  It, that's easily $852,000.

• 20:30Georgia Hardstark?

  That's right. To the fucking penny.

• 20:32Karen Kilgariff?

  To the penny.

• 20:33Georgia Hardstark?

  However, if his death was accidental, she got an additional $100,000.

• 20:41Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay. Aside from the fact that this is such a fucked, every time we tell stories like this, and it's basically just people being like, I'm gonna cash in on the person I'm married to.

• 20:51Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 20:51Karen Kilgariff?

  Which in and of itself is disgusting.

• 20:53Georgia Hardstark?

  I'm done with this life. I'm going to cash in on this person.

• 20:56Karen Kilgariff?

  I'm gonna cash in on a human being.

• 20:57Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 20:59Karen Kilgariff?

  But then she kills someone's mom also?

• 21:01Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 21:01Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay.

• 21:02Georgia Hardstark?

  So, so here's the thing. Okay, so, uh, that's why I remember she was fighting with the doc, with emphysema doctor.

• 21:08Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, right.

• 21:09Georgia Hardstark?

  Of being like, it's not emphysema. I know it's not emphysema. It's because she needed him to say it was a fucking accident.

• 21:14Karen Kilgariff?

  Accidental death.

• 21:14Georgia Hardstark?

  Right. So she could get that extra, cause $76,000 or 826 million in today's money was not enough for her. She needed an extra $100,000.

• 21:24Karen Kilgariff?

  Shit.

• 21:25Georgia Hardstark?

  Um, so then, uh, they were able to investigate, what?

• 21:30Karen Kilgariff?

  I'm sorry, I just thought of what if it was all so that she could buy more and more tropical fish?

• 21:35Georgia Hardstark?

  She needed more algae destroyer.

• 21:37Karen Kilgariff?

  She, she loved those fish. She had these huge angel fish.

• 21:41Georgia Hardstark?

  But they lived in a trailer, too.

• 21:43Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, but sometimes you just eat, that's, she funneled all the money into that fish tank so that they were like, we don't need a house.

• 21:49Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 21:49Karen Kilgariff?

  What we need is a great house for these fish.

• 21:52Georgia Hardstark?

  I just think of how like, how like humid and smelly it was in that trailer.

• 21:57Karen Kilgariff?

  With, with that huge fish tank?

• 21:58Georgia Hardstark?

  Uh huh.

• 21:59Karen Kilgariff?

  With that, with that nine by 25 tropical fish tank? That was like everyone you see in a rapper's house.

• 22:05Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 22:06Karen Kilgariff?

  Cribs.

• 22:07Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, or what about that TV show where they make fish tanks? Called Tanked.

• 22:11Karen Kilgariff?

  Is it?

• 22:11Georgia Hardstark?

  I think it's called Tanked, isn't it? I'm getting a nod from Stephen. Yes.

• 22:15Karen Kilgariff?

  Stephen, do you watch Tanked? Stephen's so excited.

• 22:17Speaker 09

  No, but I, or I did watch you, I did watch one episode specifically, but I, I think it was like Kevin Smith or something.

• 22:22Georgia Hardstark?

  It's on when you're like in the hotel room or like a bar, like the hotel bar more like, and it just happens to be on, you're like, what the? Fuck, they made a whole show of this and it's actually kinda, kinda good.

• 22:32Karen Kilgariff?

  I have to say, in any action movie, if they come in and shoot up the bad guy's like shark tank that he has, and then you see the wave that comes out, that's probably the most excited I get.

• 22:43Georgia Hardstark?

  That's gotta be a really expensive budget.

• 22:46Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, cuz you shoot that once and then you have to take it again, which means you have to roll in a brand new fish tank.

• 22:51Georgia Hardstark?

  And also because of the fucking PETA, you can't kill those fish.

• 22:55Karen Kilgariff?

  No, those are all just rubber fish with little motors. No.

• 22:59Georgia Hardstark?

  I was like, wow, how do you know that Karen? Did you guys do that in baskets once?

• 23:02Karen Kilgariff?

  Yep, on baskets, we like to kill fake fish all the time. It's like a thing.

• 23:07Georgia Hardstark?

  Um, okay, so, Tanked, it's called Tanked.

• 23:11Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, look at these two Tank toasts. They're, they love fish.

• 23:15Georgia Hardstark?

  It's real fun.

• 23:16Karen Kilgariff?

  This is all in Spanish, Stephen. Is this a Spanish show?

• 23:20Georgia Hardstark?

  No.

• 23:20Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, it's on Animal Planet?

• 23:22Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 23:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Please watch Tanked, everybody.

• 23:24Georgia Hardstark?

  Her new favorite show.

• 23:25Karen Kilgariff?

  It's from 2012.

• 23:27Georgia Hardstark?

  So Stella takes a polygraph test in November of 1986, fails it, but unfortunately, there's no concrete evidence proving that she ever purchased cyanide and authorities aren't able to build a strong enough case to support her. There's no, there's no prints on any of the bottles, anything like that. There's no video evidence of her like putting the bottles back on the shelves.

• 23:46Karen Kilgariff?

  Right.

• 23:46Georgia Hardstark?

  So like we fucking have nothing. And it's possible that this case would have even gone cold and no one would have been arrested, except for her daughter who fucking hated her.

• 23:57Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh shit, girl. Okay.

• 23:59Georgia Hardstark?

  So 27-year-old Cynthia Hamilton, who would have been played by a fucking hard-life Molly Ringwald.

• 24:07Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh shit.

• 24:08Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 24:08Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay.

• 24:10Georgia Hardstark?

  But in a good way, but like pretty, but like chain smoke, everyone chain smokes.

• 24:13Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, it's like, is it northern or central Washington?

• 24:16Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes.

• 24:17Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 24:17Georgia Hardstark?

  Um, and they, and she was in and out of her mother's life for years. When Cindy, the daughter, was nine years old, Stella had hit her with a curtain rod so hard it had bruised Cindy's legs. So Stella was pretty abusive.

• 24:30Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh shit.

• 24:31Georgia Hardstark?

  Um, and Stella had been charged and ordered to go to counseling and said that, but Stella denied ever hitting her daughter and said that her daughter made the whole thing up because she was jealous of her.

• 24:42Georgia Hardstark?

  A nine year old girl was jealous of her.

• 24:45Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, no. So she basically Cindy, that's the daughter's name. Cindy has a total sociopath of a mother.

• 24:51Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 24:52Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay.

• 24:52Georgia Hardstark?

  Cindy Cindy's got.

• 24:53Karen Kilgariff?

  Cindy from an early age is like, oh shit, my mom is capital A crazy.

• 24:58Georgia Hardstark?

  Right. But Cindy has a conscious conscience.

• 25:02Karen Kilgariff?

  That's right.

• 25:02Georgia Hardstark?

  Where are we?

• 25:03Karen Kilgariff?

  Number two.

• 25:04Georgia Hardstark?

  Cindy has a conscience.

• 25:05Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 25:05Georgia Hardstark?

  And is like, this is something, this isn't right. I need to talk to the fucking authorities about this. Uh, and even though, uh, it was her stepdad. So in January of 1987, Cynthia Cindy approaches the police with information. She said that her mother had spoken to her many times about wanting her husband dead.

• 25:21Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, no.

• 25:22Georgia Hardstark?

  Cindy's stepdad. Stella had told Cindy that after, that ever since Bruce had quit drinking, he was a bore.

• 25:31Karen Kilgariff?

  Now, listen, as someone who's quit drinking, I know that that's a fact. Things get way less dramatic when you're not shitfaced every day.

• 25:38Georgia Hardstark?

  She said he preferred to stay home and watch television, which I'm like, I drink and that sounds great to me.

• 25:44Karen Kilgariff?

  It's the best when you're sober.

• 25:45Georgia Hardstark?

  Bore and drink.

• 25:46Karen Kilgariff?

  Do you know how fucking hard it is to go out into the world sober and just like, just get that white hot light of reality shown on you everywhere you go?

• 25:55Georgia Hardstark?

  No, I don't try it.

• 25:56Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, you gotta try it. It's hilarious. But it's much easier to stay home.

• 26:00Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. So they, they, they had stopped going out to bars together. So she was like, those guys are boring. I'm Peggy Bundy.

• 26:07Karen Kilgariff?

  Also bars when you're sober, it's like about 35 minutes, you can have fun, but you have to know when to go home because people start repeating themselves and it is a disaster area.

• 26:18Georgia Hardstark?

  I gotta, I'm, I support you a hundred percent.

• 26:20Karen Kilgariff?

  Thank you.

• 26:21Georgia Hardstark?

  This is why I never beg you to come out to like bars and shits. I'm like, why would I, you have to come here. There's like really bad nachos. There's nothing to offer you.

• 26:29Karen Kilgariff?

  There's really hard to follow conversation about things you don't care about.

• 26:32Georgia Hardstark?

  That's right.

• 26:33Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 26:33Georgia Hardstark?

  So Cindy Cindy also claimed that, uh, her mother had spoken to her about what the two of them could do with the life insurance money if Bruce were dead.

• 26:40Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, no.

• 26:41Georgia Hardstark?

  But Cindy said that her mother had even told her that she had tried to poison Bruce previously with the plant foxglove.

• 26:48Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh.

• 26:48Georgia Hardstark?

  Which I guess is a poisonous plant.

• 26:49Karen Kilgariff?

  Very witchy of her. Yeah.

• 26:51Georgia Hardstark?

  But it didn't work. But still, there's no smoking gun. Cindy hadn't seen Stella put the poison into the pills and Stella had never confessed anything to her daughter. And then Cindy told authorities that after, but then Cindy was like, you know, oop, shit. Just throw a pen at the microphone. Oh, I want to also say, okay, but that, okay, hold on. Boop, let me think. Okay, but then Cindy was like, you know, it might work. My mom started, after the foxglove thing, my mom started to check out books on poison at the fucking library.

• 27:18Karen Kilgariff?

  Girl, this is like that part of seven where they just go and they look up all the books the person looked up.

• 27:24Georgia Hardstark?

  That's right, and they did that, they got a fucking search warrant or whatever. They got all the books, they found the books that she had checked out at the Auburn Public Library, and showed that she had checked out numerous books about poisons, including a book called Human Poisoning.

• 27:40Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, girl.

• 27:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Be a little more subtle.

• 27:42Karen Kilgariff?

  Cover it up.

• 27:43Georgia Hardstark?

  Native and Cultivated Plants and Deadly Harvest.

• 27:48Georgia Hardstark?

  So they fucking fingerprint that shit.

• 27:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 27:51Georgia Hardstark?

  The FBI fingerprints that shit.

• 27:52Karen Kilgariff?

  It only has roughly 1,500 fingerprints on it.

• 27:55Georgia Hardstark?

  That's right, but they also subpoenaed her, I don't know, you know, card.

• 27:59Karen Kilgariff?

  Sure, her information?

• 28:01Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, and saw that she had checked it out. They found her fingerprints on it, including the page that belonged to cyanide. And they have their, what they can do. And also, so what they think happened was that she poisoned her husband. He died, the doctor wouldn't, would only say it was emphysema. So to get it back to the fucking poison, she went out after that and put poison fucking bottles on the shelf.

• 28:25Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, my god.

• 28:27Georgia Hardstark?

  The reason Sue died a week later is because those bottles hadn't been on the shelf yet. So if the doctor had been like, he got poisoned and it was accidental poisoning.

• 28:35Karen Kilgariff?

  She would have gotten her money and left it alone.

• 28:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 28:37Karen Kilgariff?

  But she went out and basically.

• 28:39Georgia Hardstark?

  Not saying it's the doctor's fault at all, but she went out to garner more attention to get that accidental death.

• 28:45Karen Kilgariff?

  And killed Sue.

• 28:46Georgia Hardstark?

  And killed Susan Snow.

• 28:48Karen Kilgariff?

  Wow.

• 28:48Georgia Hardstark?

  Isn't that fucking awful?

• 28:49Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, really.

• 28:50Georgia Hardstark?

  So, it is. So on December 9th, 1987, Stella Nichols indicted by a federal grand jury on five counts of product tampering, including two which resulted in the deaths of Susan Snow and Bruce Nickel. So she's not, so the, it's, it's federal because after the Tylenol murders, they, the FBI did a strict new federal anti-tampering act. And it was like, super strict, you can't tamper with drugs. So that's why it was federal, but so she wasn't tried for their murders. It was tampering that led to the deaths of these two people.

• 29:24Karen Kilgariff?

  Why? Because that sentence would be longer or something, like it was a bigger deal?

• 29:27Georgia Hardstark?

  I don't know, so.

• 29:30Karen Kilgariff?

  You said that just like my cousin Eileen. I don't know.

• 29:33Georgia Hardstark?

  I don't know.

• 29:33Karen Kilgariff?

  I don't know.

• 29:34Georgia Hardstark?

  So she goes to trial in April of 1988. Cindy agrees to fucking testify against her mother as long as her mother doesn't get the fucking death penalty. And they're like, great, that won't happen.

• 29:44Karen Kilgariff?

  Talk about, wow, what a complex relationship that is.

• 29:48Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. Stella's found guilty on all charges. She becomes the first person charged and convicted under this federal anti-tampering act. She's sentenced to two 90-year terms for the charges relating to the deaths of Susan Snow and Bruce Nickel, and three 10-year terms for the other product tampering. She'll be eligible for parole in this fucking year.

• 30:09Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh.

• 30:09Georgia Hardstark?

  At 73 years old.

• 30:11Karen Kilgariff?

  Jesus.

• 30:11Georgia Hardstark?

  So I think they're trying to also get those, figure out a way to charge her with murder as well.

• 30:16Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 30:16Georgia Hardstark?

  But she fucking is like, I am innocent. This is some bullshit. She's doing all these like appeals and shit because she said there's a bunch of evidence that was never turned over to the defense. She also claims that her daughter lied in order to get that, remember that $300,000 that was offered to people who could help by the drug companies?

• 30:33Karen Kilgariff?

  Yep.

• 30:34Georgia Hardstark?

  The daughter got $250,000 of that money.

• 30:37Karen Kilgariff?

  So it's almost like she said she said, like she's doing it for money, she's doing it for money.

• 30:42Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. So, but Stella and Nickel continues to maintain her innocence.

• 30:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, but girl.

• 30:51Georgia Hardstark?

  I know, girl, it doesn't look good for you.

• 30:53Karen Kilgariff?

  It does. There's too many coincidences.

• 30:54Georgia Hardstark?

  There's too many. And that's just Seattle cyanide poisonings.

• 30:58Karen Kilgariff?

  That's amazing. Because I remember the Excedrin one coming after Tylenol.

• 31:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 31:04Karen Kilgariff?

  I did not know it was that involved and crazy.

• 31:07Georgia Hardstark?

  Isn't that crazy?

• 31:08Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 31:08Georgia Hardstark?

  How did I, I didn't really know about it either.

• 31:10Karen Kilgariff?

  So nuts.

• 31:11Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

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• 33:11Karen Kilgariff?

  Well, the story I'm going to follow that one up with is, basically Hannah suggested this to me because it's basically kind of her hometown. It's a story she remembers happening. She's from basically Washington State, and she remembers this kicking off. And it was basically one of those things that took over. Everybody knew about it. People were following it in the news. It's this crazy story. So thanks, Hannah, for the suggestion. So the sources for this story today, there's a bunch of articles from haroldnet.com, one by Jackson Holtz, one by Eric Stevic, one by Noah Haglund. Then there's an article by Ryan Owens and Sarah Neder for ABC News,

• 33:55Karen Kilgariff?

  an article by Patrick Ottman, CNN. There's a New York Times article by William Yardley. There's a KOMO TV staff article and there's a C.R. Douglas article for Fox 13 Seattle. There was an episode of 48 Hours about this case. CBS News article written by Paul LaRosa, Sarah Pryor. And there's an article from the Seattle Times by a writer named Evan Bush. And if you, and there's more sources. You can check the, the show notes for. This is the story of Colton Harris Moore, also known as the Barefoot Bandit. Okay. Colton Moore is born March 22nd, 1991 in Mount Vernon, Washington.

• 34:40Karen Kilgariff?

  He grows up in a trailer in the woods on Southern Comeno Island, which is about an hour north of Seattle on Puget Sound. So his home life's chaotic. His mother Pam drinks while she's pregnant with Colt. This impacts his neurocognitive development. His father Gordon is a drug user who gets sent to prison when Colt is still a toddler. Then when Colt is four, his mom remarries to a man named William Kohler, who according to Pam herself had a criminal history and a heroin addiction. So not great stuff happening in that trailer in the forest. So all of that would be hard enough to deal with. But then Pam is said to be verbally, physically and emotionally abusive

• 35:25Karen Kilgariff?

  all throughout Colt's childhood. According to his Aunt Sandra, who is Pam's sister. When Pam drinks, she gets belligerent and violent and is known to break her son's toys as a punishment to him. So not great stuff. Yeah. Their neighbors hear Pam screaming at Colt all hours of the day and night. She's also a neglectful parent. Colt, as a child, often asked the adults in his life, like teachers and his friends' parents, if he could have food. And court records indicate that Pam. Basically did not make sure that Colt went to school. So he missed a ton of school. All this has a negative effect on him growing up. When he does go to school, he bullies other students. He defies his teachers.

• 36:08Karen Kilgariff?

  A psychological evaluation years later states that Colton has a long term history of psychiatric and behavioral difficulties. He's also been prescribed a wide range of psychiatric medications, including antidepressants, stimulant medications, mood stabilizers, and even antipsychotic medication. And he was also, at different points, diagnosed with depression, attention deficit disorder, and intermittent explosive disorder.

• 36:34Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow.

• 36:35Karen Kilgariff?

  So when CPS gets called in, which they did, they were multiple times throughout Colt's childhood. The caseworkers would recommend that Pam seek counseling for her son. She would decline. When he's 10 years old, he's removed from the home for three days. But CPS has to close the investigation due to lack of cooperation from Pam.

• 36:58Georgia Hardstark?

  What?

• 36:59Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, that seems

• 37:01Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 37:02Karen Kilgariff?

  against, like, yeah, we get that she's not cooperating. That's why CPS got called in the first place.

• 37:07Georgia Hardstark?

  Right, like, lack of cooperation by the abuser isn't a reason to cancel the case.

• 37:14Karen Kilgariff?

  So that second husband, William, dies when Colt is 11. And then Pam soon enters another relationship with a man who moves into the house, who Pam would later describe as not playing with a full deck. He was an alcoholic. And ultimately Pam ends the relationship. At some point, Colt's biological father, Gordon, returns to the home after he's released from prison. And in May 2003, when Colt is 12, he calls 911, reporting Gordon pushed him to the ground and grabbed him by the throat. And when police arrive, Gordon flees to the woods nearby. But the police end up arresting him and taking him to jail. And after that, Gordon cuts off contact with Pam and Colt, and he moves to Las Vegas.

• 37:59Karen Kilgariff?

  And Pam basically blames Colt for that happening. So by the time Colt is 15 years old, CPS has responded to 12 separate incidents at the Moore home.

• 38:11Karen Kilgariff?

  So really rough childhood. Yeah. Later that same year, in November of 2003, 12-year-old Colt is accused of breaking into a business in the city of Stanwood, and then breaking into Stanwood Middle School, stealing a laptop and CDs, and defacing a bulletin board. Which, sorry, I just, it just sounds funny. Yeah. You know, he wrote "fuck you" on like, some kind of a bulletin board in a way that they couldn't get off. Pretty sure I did something like that as a kid, too, you know? You know, if you can't stay home and everything really sucks there, and people are really shitty there. Right. You're gonna go fuck some stuff up as a kid is a way of saying, "Will someone please step in?" Totally, totally. So, he pleads guilty to possession of stolen property.

• 38:56Karen Kilgariff?

  He's sentenced to six months supervision and 56 hours of community service. A social workers' report notes, "Colton wants mom to stop drinking and smoking, get a job, and have food in the house. Mom refuses." So, that's a rough encapsulation of what life is like for a 12-year-old Colt. Jesus. In 2004, so it's a year later, Colt's probation officer writes, "Colton and his mother share a tumultuous relationship. Colton's mother reported to me that he is violent at home on a near-daily basis. He recently broke the telephone in order to prevent her from calling the police. She then showed me a mark on her forearm of how he had bit her and went after her with a boat oar."

• 39:41Karen Kilgariff?

  My god. "His mother reported how Colton is now medicated and complying with taking his medications, and his behavior has not been hostile toward her." He's 13 years old. So, basically, he's giving what he's gotten. Right. And then he's in trouble for it. Right, he's reacting. In December 2005, a police report is made alleging that 14-year-old Colt assaulted his mother. In the summer of 2006, Colt's due to appear in court at Denny Juvenile Justice Center in Everett, but he's so scared of going back into detention that he runs away the day before his hearing. He starts breaking into homes on Comeno Island and watching internet porn on the resident's home computer. Yeah, that sounds great, honestly.

• 40:25Karen Kilgariff?

  He's like, I'm not gonna get in trouble for this. All right. Yeah. He breaks into unoccupied vacation homes through skylights and then squats in the homes for several days before moving on and taking food and portable electronic devices with him. When he's not vacation home squatting, he camps out in the woods. And by this point, he's dropped out of school. He's only in the ninth grade. Oh, my God. He's a child still. Yeah, he's a baby. In January 2007, after six local burglaries, the Island County Sheriff's Office puts up wanted posters with Colt's picture and his information. Basically, there's 15,000 people on this island, and that's usually when the vacation people are there. Yeah.

• 41:08Karen Kilgariff?

  There's 5,000 households. So it's a tiny place. Like, you know, everyone knows that this is Colt doing it. Right, right. So stories about his exploits start appearing in the media. And within a matter of weeks, a local resident notices that there are lights on inside what should have been an empty vacation home. The police are alerted, and when they arrive, they tell Colt that the house is surrounded. Even though it's actually not, they had just set up flashlights to make it look like there was cops all around the house. Oh, my God. But there weren't. So Colt falls for it, and he comes out and gives himself up. In court, he pleads guilty to three of the 23 felony charges against him. His Aunt

• 41:51Karen Kilgariff?

  Sandra writes to the court in support of her nephew, saying, quote, "I love that boy like one of my own kids. I think he got mixed in with the wrong crowd, and he got himself in too far." Colt is sentenced to three years confinement and ordered to stay in a group home in Renton, Washington. So on April 22, 2008, 17-year-old Colt, like, basically breaks out of this group home. He sneaks out a window, and he goes on the run. And soon, South Cameno Island residents are reporting break-ins to the police. So a couple months later, he allegedly steals his neighbor's Mercedes and crashes it into a propane tank behind a cafe.

• 42:31Karen Kilgariff?

  This is, what's the, can you think of the word for it, where it's like, when you're doing bad, but it doesn't hurt anybody? They have that word for it. It's like reckless. Yeah, like, there's no direct victim. But it's like. Exploits. It's not hijinks. Exploits. What'd you say, Stan?

• 42:49Speaker 05

  Shenanigans.

• 42:52Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, but no, but yes.

• 42:55Karen Kilgariff?

  Official police shenanigans. There's a term for it that's essentially like you're behaving badly and

• 43:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Right, there's no

• 43:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Like knock it off.

• 43:05Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 43:06Karen Kilgariff?

  I just think it's funny to be like, I'm just gonna, there's all these rich people everywhere. I'm just gonna steal their shit and fuck it up and like, just do what I want because fuck everything. He flees the scene, but he leaves behind his backpack containing his journal, stolen credit cards, a GPS, his cellphone and a digital camera that he used to take selfies with.

• 43:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Dude.

• 43:27Karen Kilgariff?

  They kind of know it's him. So a couple of months later, he steals money from an, but they, they still haven't caught him. They just know, they find his stuff there, basically. In September of the same year, he steals money from an ATM on Orcas Island and in the process, cuts himself and leaves blood on the machine. So they're able to take DNA at for, like basically to later compare it with other crimes. Cause he's, he is breaking the law.

• 43:52Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 43:52Karen Kilgariff?

  It's not, it isn't hijinks or shenanigans. On November 12th of the same year, he breaks into a locked airplane hangar on Orcas Island and he steals a Cessna 182 airplane worth about $150,000. He has never had a flying lesson. He doesn't even have his driver's license. And the plane belongs to Seattle radio personality Bob Rivers at 102.5 KAZOK. So he somehow figures out a way to fly it over the Cascade Mountain Range.

• 44:27Georgia Hardstark?

  What?

• 44:27Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 44:30Karen Kilgariff?

  He's through a whiteout at 13,000 feet and the, all these wind gusts. It was not ideal.

• 44:36Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay. How do you even get a plane off of the fucking runway?

• 44:40Karen Kilgariff?

  They think that he taught himself how to fly using simulation software on laptops and studying plane manuals for hours.

• 44:50Georgia Hardstark?

  For hours. So what usually takes people fucking months and months, probably.

• 44:54Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, I bet you this kid was very smart.

• 44:56Georgia Hardstark?

  It's one of those annoying things where it's like, if you had had a shot in life, you would have

• 45:00Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 45:00Georgia Hardstark?

  made something of yourself.

• 45:02Karen Kilgariff?

  Right. Or been a way better burglar. But either way.

• 45:07Karen Kilgariff?

  But once I got to this part, I was just like, a 17 year old steals a Cessna and is able to fly it somewhere.

• 45:14Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my God.

• 45:15Karen Kilgariff?

  Like, what 17 year old do you know that could like steal a car and drive it down the street, much less

• 45:20Georgia Hardstark?

  No.

• 45:21Karen Kilgariff?

  an airplane he's never flown before? Okay, so he ends up crashing the plane 300 miles away on the Yakima Indian Reservation. When police get to the scene where the plane crashes, they don't find Colt, but there is vomit inside the plane.

• 45:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 45:37Karen Kilgariff?

  And they take a sample, compare it to the DNA, and now they know that the ATM crime and this airplane stealing is Colt.

• 45:46Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, this, this police department is too well funded if they're doing DNA tests on what is clearly a fucking 17 year old. Like, it's clearly him. You don't need a DNA test shit.

• 45:57Karen Kilgariff?

  But now, but they get that proof. They've got that locked in proof. But here's what I love more than that. He stole the plane, he's flying the plane, and then he gets, he gets like basically so nervous he barfs while he's flying in like bad weather.

• 46:12Georgia Hardstark?

  Or he just had actual seasickness, what's it called in the air?

• 46:16Karen Kilgariff?

  Motion sickness?

• 46:17Georgia Hardstark?

  Thank you.

• 46:17Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, could, I mean, if it was bad weather.

• 46:20Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 46:20Karen Kilgariff?

  Turbulence would have, could have made him throw up. It's pretty amazing. So the investigators look into more unsolved cases of burglaries and associated offenses that Colt could have been responsible for. And there are over 70 cases throughout the Pacific Northwest, and that includes Washington State, Idaho, Oregon, and several locations in Canada.

• 46:43Georgia Hardstark?

  Huh.

• 46:44Karen Kilgariff?

  It's basically residential and commercial burglaries, bank burglaries, vehicle thefts, boat theft, aircraft theft, and assault of police officers. Colt is alleged to have stolen or destroyed around $3 million worth of property.

• 47:00Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow. Yeah, but rich people have insurance, so I don't feel bad for them.

• 47:03Karen Kilgariff?

  That's right. There was probably a couple of like the whatever boats he stole that the people were like, oh, thank God.

• 47:08Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. Or like, I had my laptop on there. And like, then they get an extra thousand bucks or whatever.

• 47:14Karen Kilgariff?

  My Krugerans.

• 47:15Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 47:15Karen Kilgariff?

  They're also missing.

• 47:16Georgia Hardstark?

  They're on there.

• 47:17Karen Kilgariff?

  So finally, on March 12th, 2009, a felony warrant is issued for his arrest. So now it's, it's, now it's big time. But before that, they can exercise that warrant, they have to find him first. On September 11th, 2009, Colt steals a Cirrus SR22 plane, worth about a half a million dollars, from a town called Friday Harbor, also in Washington State.

• 47:43Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my God.

• 47:44Karen Kilgariff?

  And he crash lands the plane back on Orcas Island. So he's kind of doing it all around in the same area.

• 47:50Georgia Hardstark?

  My God, you know who's, I'm just picturing Bart Simpson this entire fucking time.

• 47:55Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes, yes, completely. He does, he's just like, how else can I show that I don't give a fuck?

• 48:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Right, right.

• 48:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, I'm just gonna do what I want. Okay, so after the crash, Colt is seen walking away from the wreckage by a police officer. But for some inexplicable reason, the cop fails to detain Colt.

• 48:16Georgia Hardstark?

  Hmm, he like fist pumps him as he walks away.

• 48:19Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, he's kind of like, you walked away from that? Amazing.

• 48:21Georgia Hardstark?

  Hero, you're my hero.

• 48:22Karen Kilgariff?

  The same month, Colt makes his way to Canada in a stolen boat, subsequently making his way back to the US through British Columbia. And so obviously, undetected, like, how did he do that?

• 48:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 48:36Karen Kilgariff?

  A couple of weeks later, on September 29th, Colt steals a Cessna T182T from a hangar in Bonners Ferry, Idaho, and he leaves bare footprints on the ground. He takes off in the plane in Idaho, and he again flies back over the Cascades, but he crash lands 60 miles away, near Snohomish, Washington, because he runs out of fuel while he's flying. On October 1st, 2009, a logger near Granite Falls finds that plane wreck. The police trace bare footprints from the crash site to a camp in the woods, but there's no sign of Colt. The next day, a second local felony arrest warrant is issued for Colt.

• 49:21Karen Kilgariff?

  And he's charged with forced entry burglary in the second degree. A few days later, SWAT officers searching the area for Colt are fired at by an unknown assailant.

• 49:31Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, that's bad.

• 49:33Karen Kilgariff?

  So now Colt, this is going on and building to such a degree that now in the media, Colt is being called the Barefoot Bandit.

• 49:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, I can't imagine like being from one of these small towns and like knowing that this person is...

• 49:48Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, he's just gonna, he's gonna steal your shit and he's gonna do what he wants with it.

• 49:52Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, kind of exciting for like if Hannah is young and reading about this being like...

• 49:56Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, my God.

• 49:57Georgia Hardstark?

  So exciting.

• 49:58Karen Kilgariff?

  She said they tracked it, like they paid attention to it and they're watching on the news and whatever. It's, it's crazy. Even though he usually wears shoes, the moniker sticks. So the, the barefoot thing only happened a couple of times. When Colt's mother Pam hears about the latest theft, she says, I'm proud of him. I was going to send him to flight school, but I guess I don't have to. But next time I want him to wear a parachute. Colt's popularity as a pseudo-modern folk hero gains support when a member of the public starts a Facebook page for him, of course. Because remember, it's 2009. The page eventually gets more than 100,000 followers. And it has posts that say things like, let's hope that he remains healthy, free and at large for a long time. Fly Colton, fly.

• 50:43Karen Kilgariff?

  That sounds like Pam to me. It gets so popular, they actually start making T-shirts, tote bags and mugs. And they have Colt's picture on them with the caption, Mama tried. But Comeno Island locals who've had their belongings stolen or damaged are not amused. They actually end up launching their own counter blog in an attempt to raise money. So they can hire a bounty hunter to track Colt down.

• 51:12Georgia Hardstark?

  Man, he's giving them life. Like, he's making these people who just sit at home watching fucking Everybody Loves Raymond every night. He's like making their lives exciting. You're welcome.

• 51:22Karen Kilgariff?

  That's right.

• 51:23Georgia Hardstark?

  You know?

• 51:24Karen Kilgariff?

  Now, it's becoming international news. Reporters from all over the globe travel to Comero Island to report on the search for the Barefoot Bandit, and they all want to talk to his mother Pam. Pam publicly encourages Colt to escape to a country that doesn't extradite to the US. So, the entire time Colt's on the run, he calls his Aunt Sandra once a month to let her know he's OK.

• 51:47Georgia Hardstark?

  Aunts, aunties.

• 51:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Aunties, what's up?

• 51:51Georgia Hardstark?

  You can always count on us not to turn you in.

• 51:53Karen Kilgariff?

  We would never, I'll never turn Nora in for any crime she's-

• 51:57Georgia Hardstark?

  Aunties, aunties don't snitch. That's our new saying.

• 52:00Karen Kilgariff?

  You can stay at our house. Sandra pleads with her nephew to please turn himself in. But just to him privately.

• 52:08Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, right.

• 52:09Karen Kilgariff?

  Just to him. But he tells her every time that he's not ready to stop just yet.

• 52:14Georgia Hardstark?

  OK.

• 52:15Karen Kilgariff?

  On December 11th, 2009, the US District Court in Seattle issues a federal warrant for Colt's arrest because of the aircraft theft from Idaho in September. So, everything's kind of stacking up. By February 2010, 18-year-old Colt has been eluding police for nearly two years at this point.

• 52:38Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow.

• 52:39Karen Kilgariff?

  Two years on the run.

• 52:40Georgia Hardstark?

  It's like a reality show, Colt on the Run, you know?

• 52:43Karen Kilgariff?

  Yep. He allegedly steals a plane from a town called Anna Cortis, and he flies it over to Orcas Island, somehow escaping the attention of Vancouver air traffic controls. He's like going out and stealing stuff and bringing it back to Orcas Island.

• 52:58Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 52:59Karen Kilgariff?

  Now, everyone is on the hunt for Colt. US Customs and Border Patrol, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the FBI, the US Coast Guard, officers from six different Washington counties with tracker dogs, SWAT teams, and police helicopters with infrared heat sensors. And yet, they cannot find him. So, soon after this, Colt breaks into an Orcas Island deli and eats an entire cheesecake.

• 53:27Georgia Hardstark?

  What?

• 53:30Georgia Hardstark?

  Wait, was it called The Cheese Box?

• 53:32Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, If Only.

• 53:33Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, he eats an entire cheese. What a weird detail.

• 53:37Karen Kilgariff?

  He's truly living. He also vandalizes the security system and causes $6,500 worth of damage. He then draws 39 bare feet on the floor with chalk with prints leading out the door and then the letters CYA, see ya, scrawled next to the footprints.

• 53:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh my, that's a, that's a little intense. 39 footprints?

• 54:01Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah. He spends months hiding out on Orca's Island. He commits more than 20 break-ins and burglaries, allegedly, while he's there. Police released surveillance camera photos from Island Market in the hope that somebody will recognize him. And word spreads that Colt is hiding out somewhere in the woods. So on May 31st, 2010, Colt leaves, you're gonna like this one, he leaves $100 at Vetter's Animal Hospital in Raymond, Washington, with a note that says, "Drove by, had some extra cash. Please use this money for the care of animals." Signed, Colton Harris Moore, AKA The Barefoot Bandit.

• 54:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, well, now we just love him.

• 54:42Karen Kilgariff?

  Now we love him. He's a modern day Robin Hood, kind of.

• 54:45Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 54:46Karen Kilgariff?

  On June 1st, 2010, he steals a $450,000 fishing boat from Ilwako, not far from Raymond, to cross the Columbia River. And that boat ends up being recovered in Warrenton, Oregon. From there, Colt steals a series of cars and heads east across Oregon and Idaho. 11 days later, on June 12th, authorities in Spearfish, South Dakota, find an abandoned vehicle with Washington plates. Then on the night of June 18th, Colt pries open the doors at the airport in Norfolk, Nebraska. He uses a broom handle to try to force open a cockpit

• 55:25Karen Kilgariff?

  window, hoping to unlock the plane, but it doesn't work. So instead, he steals an Escalade from the airport and he drives it to Iowa and dumps it when he gets there. He then steals another car, drives that to the airport in Otomoa, Iowa, where he again tries to break into a plane, but again, The Barefoot Bandit fails. So he steals yet another car and he drives to Dallas City, Illinois. But from there, the authorities lose track of him. And then in late June of 2010, another, another arrest warrant is issued for him. This time from Madison County, Nebraska, with counts of break-ins, vehicle theft, and an attempted airplane theft.

• 56:09Karen Kilgariff?

  So basically, as he's going through and breaking, you know, doing all his little crimes and his break-ins and things, just behind him, the warrants are piling up. Yeah. State by state. On July 3rd, 2010, in Bloomington, Indiana, Colt steals a four-seater Cessna 400 airplane worth $650,000 Monroe County Airport. During this flight, he takes videos of his journey from inside the cockpit. Oh, my God. Was he live streaming? It was, I don't know, 2010? It might have been too early for that. But he does have him on his phone. This time, he flies himself to the Bahamas. Yeah. And then he crashes the plane in shallow waters off the coast of Great Abaco Island.

• 56:54Karen Kilgariff?

  All right. Now we're talking. Finally, he's going somewhere exciting. Yeah. Soon after that, break-ins are reported all across the island. So the FBI now is involved and they're offering a $10,000 reward for information leading to the arrest of Colton Harris Moore. Special Agent Stephen Dean says, quote, "We want to get him. He's turned from a regional nuisance into an international problem," end quote.

• 57:24Karen Kilgariff?

  So US law enforcement traveled to the Bahamas, where they launch a full-scale search and put up wanted posters. There's CCTV footage that captures brief images of Colt visiting bars and restaurants in the area. So he's living his life. He's on vacation. He's on, he's on bandit vacation. Oh, my God. Pam hires an entertainment lawyer named Yigal Lewis to field inquiries from parties offering to buy the rights to Colt's story for book and movie deals. But she's not interested in speaking to reporters. She puts up a sign at the end of the road, like her driveway to the trailer, that says, "If you go past this sign, you'll be shot." Shit.

• 58:06Karen Kilgariff?

  But Pam has changed her attitude about her son being on the run. Now she says that she wants him to turn himself in before anyone gets hurt. By this point, Colt's image has been broadcast throughout the Bahamas. So people there actually know who he is and what's going on. Because again, he's gone to a small island community. And gotten away with it. Yeah, gotten public. Yeah. On July 7, 2010, Bahamian ferryboat captain Freddie Grant sees somebody matching Colt's description swimming on the northern end of Eluthra Island. So Freddie's noticed also that the ignitions to a bunch of the ferries have been messed with and damaged. And he can put two and two together. Yeah.

• 58:50Karen Kilgariff?

  So three days later, on July 11th, around 3:00 in the morning, Kenny Strahan, the security director of Remora Bay Marina and on Harbor Island, sees somebody running away from the boat docks toward the marina's exit. And he's sure that it's Colt. So he pursues this person on foot. And when he catches up to him, he realizes it really is the Barefoot Bandit himself. And he realizes the Barefoot Bandit now has a gun.

• 59:19Karen Kilgariff?

  So Kenny backs off. He calls the Bahamian police. And meanwhile, Colt runs back toward the docks, climbs into a boat that had the keys left in the ignition and takes off. All right. When police arrive, they also commandeer a boat and they take off after him. They fire at the boat's engines that Colt is driving. Some of them actually have Uzis. So this is becomes like a real pursuit. They basically force Colt to surrender. As the police scream at Colt to put his gun down, he puts it to his head, threatening to kill himself because he says he cannot go back to jail. The police move closer.

• 1:00:00Karen Kilgariff?

  Colt then throws his gun and his laptop overboard. And basically, the wild ride is finally over for the Barefoot Bandit. When 19-year-old Colton Harris Moore is arrested, he's photographed walking barefoot with his ankles shackled. Authorities fly him to Nassau for processing. Colt is not showing any signs of fear or distress at this point. And they actually go back and find both his gun and his laptop. His backpack is seized upon arrest. And inside, the police find a Boy Scouts of America certificate, two 5th grade class photos, some airplane sketches, and a Waffler PPK, which is the same gun that James Bond uses.

• 1:00:43Karen Kilgariff?

  So this is a little boy.

• 1:00:46Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 1:00:47Karen Kilgariff?

  On July 13, 2010, Colt pleads guilty to entering the Bahamas illegally. So you can't just fly to the Bahamas. You can't just fly there, crash, and then go swimming, the way he did.

• 1:00:58Georgia Hardstark?

  Didn't know that.

• 1:00:59Karen Kilgariff?

  Now we know.

• 1:01:00Georgia Hardstark?

  It's good to know, everyone.

• 1:01:01Karen Kilgariff?

  Now we know. He's sentenced to three months in jail or a $300 fine. Pam wires him the money and pays the fine. Colt's deported by the US Attorney's Office and flown back to Miami, where he is taken to federal jail. Following Colt's arrest, Pam issues a statement saying she's relieved her son is safe and that no one's hurt. She also says she's looking forward to seeing him soon, having not seen him for two years. Colt's followers on social media get behind his defense, and they donate money for his legal costs. Pam joins the plea for assistance, saying, "Now, there's not a break-in or a theft in the entire Northwest that the media or law enforcement doesn't rush to pin on Colt. We have no way of knowing what charges will be filed against him.

• 1:01:46Karen Kilgariff?

  The media has already convicted him as the Barefoot Bandit and created widespread accusations and perception of guilt. Eventually, though, Colt will have to fight for his freedom against the full force of the legal system." End quote.

• 1:01:58Georgia Hardstark?

  Doesn't sound like our Pam. That sounds like through a lawyer.

• 1:02:02Karen Kilgariff?

  Well, that also sounds like the most insane rationalization of a public series of crimes that this person very gleefully committed. It's like, you don't get to go back now and be like, "Can you believe they're pinning all these crimes on him?" It's like, yes, he did like 50 crimes in a row. So yes, I do believe it. Pam is pulling what we call "my family being a day late and a dollar short."

• 1:02:26Karen Kilgariff?

  So on July 21st, 2010, Colts transferred to the federal detention center in Seattle, and he appears in court the next day where he waves his right to a preliminary hearing and a speedy trial. So on November 18th, he pleads not guilty in federal court to charges of interstate transportation of a stolen plane. Wow. So specific. Yeah. A plane, boat, and gun stolen of being a fugitive in possession of a firearm and flying without a pilot's license. And that same month, 48 Hours did an episode about Colt's exploits. So you can watch that in streaming services everywhere. Both Pam and her sister Sandra write letters to the court in an attempt to explain

• 1:03:07Karen Kilgariff?

  what has led to Colt's antisocial behavior. Here's what Pam writes, quote, "This boy has had many disappointments all his life. His stepfather died and our dog, and this has had severe effects on Colt and I. He does things without thinking of the end results." End quote. Court proceedings continued throughout 2011. In March, the FBI confirms that the reward money is split among the officers who arrested Colt as well as Kenny Strahan. And on June 17th, 2011, Colt pleads guilty to all seven counts on the federal indictment. Under his plea deal, he agrees to forfeit any profits from selling publishing rights

• 1:03:47Karen Kilgariff?

  to his story. In August 2011, 20th Century Fox pays more than $1 million in exchange for the rights to Colt's story. The studio sends the money directly to the US Marshals to distribute it amongst Colt's victims. Interesting. That September, a psychological evaluation finds that Colt's delinquent behavior is driven by depression, PTSD, and, you know, basically suicidal tendencies. Right. He was risking his life every time he flew one of those planes if he didn't know how to fly. And he's crazy. Yeah. The psychologist notes that Colt has a low risk of reoffending, favorable prognosis with appropriate intervention. On December 16th, 2011, Colt is sentenced by the state

• 1:04:31Karen Kilgariff?

  of Washington to seven years in jail plus three years of supervised probation.

• 1:04:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Judge Vicki Churchill says, quote, "This case is a tragedy in many ways, but it's a triumph of the human spirit in other ways." Yes. Yay. The judge notes that Colt has genuine remorse for his crimes. As a high-profile convict, Colt's initially placed in solitary confinement for his own protection, which must be horrifying. Mm-hmm. On January 27, 2012, the Federal District Court of Seattle sentences Colt to six and a half years in prison. He'll serve both state and federal sentences concurrently, and it's determined that he owes his victims $1.3 million in restitution. Yay. Two months after Colt goes to prison, author Bob Friel publishes a book called

• 1:05:19Karen Kilgariff?

  The Barefoot Bandit: The True Tale of Colt and Harris Moore, New American Outlaw. In 2010, two documentaries are released about his experiences. In May 2016, his mom Pam Kohler dies of lung cancer. Wow. In 2016, Colt pleads to get out of prison early to work at his lawyer's law firm during the summer. According to Colt's attorney, the two had agreed years before that Colt could work part-time at his law firm doing clerical work. At the same time, Colt would be looking for a full-time job and eventually go to college. Wow. His attorney says Colt's criminality grew out of poverty, not a desire to harm people or cause trouble. In September 2016,

• 1:06:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Colt's transferred from Stafford Creek Corrections Center in Aberdeen to a work release facility in Seattle. He starts working for his lawyer, but he hopes one day to study aeronautical engineering. Yeah. In December 2016, 25-year-old Colt is released from his work release program, remains under supervision. He starts a GoFundMe to raise $125,000 for private and commercial pilot license training and helicopter certification. Holy shit. But the federal probation office shuts that down. And he's saying that the $1,600 that was raised so far goes directly to his victims. Colt responds Publicly on Twitter saying that his stream is crushed.

• 1:06:49Karen Kilgariff?

  And his lawyer states that Colt didn't consult with him before starting the GoFundMe. So in April 2019, Colt asks the court for his supervised release period to be shortened. He wants to be allowed to visit friends overseas and accept work outside of Washington State to attend engagements as a motivational speaker. Colt claims the work will help him pay off the restitution he still owes his victims, telling the court, quote, "I've learned from my past. I do not run from it, but instead try to embrace it for the better. I hope to serve as a model for people who have hard lives and who feel hopeless. I saw it every day when I was confined and I've seen it in the world upon release." End quote.

• 1:07:29Karen Kilgariff?

  In May 2019, his request was denied and he was ordered to complete his probation. Not much is known about him today, although on his LinkedIn profile, he describes himself as, quote, "former international fugitive turned entrepreneur, focused on education, progress, and success. Life is what you make it. My intention is to build connections with people who are both clearly motivated and with whom may lead to a mutually beneficial outcome along the lines of problem solving, productivity, and accomplishing goals. This is what it's all about."

• 1:08:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, can we get a TED Talk, please?

• 1:08:08Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, that, and that's the unbelievable story of the barefoot bandit Colton Harris Moore. Yeah.

• 1:08:15Georgia Hardstark?

  Holy shit.

• 1:08:17Karen Kilgariff?

  He went on what we call, in the business, a spree. He really did it.

• 1:08:23Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow. I have literally never heard a single piece of that before.

• 1:08:28Karen Kilgariff?

  Same, and it was like happening, like by, at that point, like it was happening on social media. That's the craziest part. It's like that modern.

• 1:08:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, and I had never, ever seen the thing.

• 1:08:40Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow.

• 1:08:41Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:42Georgia Hardstark?

  Good job.

• 1:08:44Karen Kilgariff?

  Thank you. Good job, Colton.

• 1:08:46Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, I mean, listen, like, you know, breaking the law isn't, isn't the way, but sometimes.

• 1:08:55Georgia Hardstark?

  You know, sometimes you're seventeen and you're fucking depressed and like.

• 1:08:59Karen Kilgariff?

  But like stealing airplanes and flying them when you don't know how to is kind of the way.

• 1:09:06Georgia Hardstark?

  The Bandit part. Yeah, he's like a, yeah, he's like a.

• 1:09:10Karen Kilgariff?

  He's just kind of doing it. I don't know. It's just like he's doing something at least.

• 1:09:16Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, yeah. It's like impressive. You don't want to like, you don't want to support it.

• 1:09:23Karen Kilgariff?

  You don't want to celebrate it.

• 1:09:24Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, but it's also like, wow, you know.

• 1:09:27Karen Kilgariff?

  He didn't hurt, he didn't hurt anybody.

• 1:09:29Georgia Hardstark?

  He didn't hurt anybody.

• 1:09:30Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, he could have killed people. He could have killed people crashing those planes.

• 1:09:34Georgia Hardstark?

  Absolutely could have killed people. And he had guns on him, which is not great.

• 1:09:39Karen Kilgariff?

  It isn't great, but then the second he got called on and he threw it in the ocean.

• 1:09:43Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:09:44Karen Kilgariff?

  So, wow, I don't know.

• 1:09:48Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:48Karen Kilgariff?

  I don't know.

• 1:09:49Georgia Hardstark?

  Well, that was, that was a really fun story.

• 1:09:51Karen Kilgariff?

  Thank you for staying sexy.

• 1:09:53Georgia Hardstark?

  And don't get murdered. Goodbye.

• 1:09:57Karen Kilgariff?

  Elvis, do you want a cookie?

• 1:10:06Georgia Hardstark?

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