492 - It Will Be Filed

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• 0:01Karen Kilgariff?

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• 1:13Georgia Hardstark?

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• 1:15Karen Kilgariff?

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• 1:23Karen Kilgariff?

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• 1:28Georgia Hardstark?

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• 1:35Karen Kilgariff?

  Something like this is just like, it's simple, it's easy, and it actually works.

• 1:39Georgia Hardstark?

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• 2:02Karen Kilgariff?

  Hello and welcome.

• 2:03Georgia Hardstark?

  To my favorite murder.

• 2:05Karen Kilgariff?

  That's Georgia Hardstark.

• 2:06Georgia Hardstark?

  That's Karen Kilgariff.

• 2:07Karen Kilgariff?

  And this is.

• 2:08Georgia Hardstark?

  Your sister's favorite podcast.

• 2:10Karen Kilgariff?

  Not my sister's favorite.

• 2:11Georgia Hardstark?

  No, not my sister's either.

• 2:13Karen Kilgariff?

  Maybe. What podcast does Lee listen to?

• 2:16Georgia Hardstark?

  Probably nothing. Probably children's podcasts with her kids in the car. Cause that's all you can do when you have kids, I think.

• 2:22Karen Kilgariff?

  We should go into children's podcasts.

• 2:24Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my God.

• 2:25Karen Kilgariff?

  Hello, children. Just evil witch voices. Do they like that?

• 2:30Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, that's her favorite thing.

• 2:32Karen Kilgariff?

  That's fun.

• 2:33Georgia Hardstark?

  For children of all ages, just terrifying.

• 2:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Children, look up from your screens.

• 2:39Georgia Hardstark?

  You're good at that. Behold the fucking peachy pin.

• 2:43Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, we're so excited about this.

• 2:46Georgia Hardstark?

  You guys.

• 2:46Karen Kilgariff?

  Our best friend, Nick Terry, who is just such a, we're so lucky to have Nick Terry working with us. It's been a long time. He just keeps putting out the hits.

• 2:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. MFM animated, of course. We have a little pin.

• 3:00Karen Kilgariff?

  It's so cute. Peachy is so pissed.

• 3:02Georgia Hardstark?

  I'm gonna put this on my purse.

• 3:03Karen Kilgariff?

  There's just a little banner underneath Peachy that says a bitter little bird.

• 3:07Georgia Hardstark?

  This is, I mean, what could be a better, you know, Labor Day gift?

• 3:10Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah. So for the bitter little bird in your life, you might want to go ahead and pin this right onto their jean jacket collar. Everything's coming together.

• 3:17Georgia Hardstark?

  Hell, yeah. It's from the mini sode Peachy the Bird. And you can go to exactlyrightstore.com to get yours.

• 3:24Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes. We all know a peachy.

• 3:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 3:27Karen Kilgariff?

  Also, speaking of Nick Terry.

• 3:29Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 3:29Karen Kilgariff?

  There's the newest MFM animated that's out right now and it's called Baboons.

• 3:35Georgia Hardstark?

  It's your mini sode story of the little girl who went through like the safari drive-through that used to be all the rage in the eighties and nineties.

• 3:43Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 3:43Georgia Hardstark?

  Right?

• 3:43Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, safari parks.

• 3:45Georgia Hardstark?

  And there's a reason they're not around anymore is because bad shit happens.

• 3:48Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 3:48Georgia Hardstark?

  Like in this episode of MFM Animated.

• 3:52Karen Kilgariff?

  Find out what terrible things happen with baboons in the newest episode entitled Baboons. Go to our YouTube. It's youtube.com/ExactlyRightMedia. All the Nick Terrors are on there.

• 4:04Karen Kilgariff?

  As well as all kinds of videos from all of the shows here at Exactly Right Network.

• 4:09Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 4:09Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, I agree.

• 4:10Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, so speaking of the fact that we're going on a little tour and doing some live shows, someone made yet another My Favorite Murder bingo card for the live show specifically. But there was a big, I love it, but everyone got upset at here at Exactly Right, and I don't, let's talk about it, this is a debate.

• 4:28Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay.

• 4:28Georgia Hardstark?

  The free space in the bingo card

• 4:31Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 4:31Georgia Hardstark?

  is usually in the very center, right?

• 4:33Karen Kilgariff?

  Correct.

• 4:33Georgia Hardstark?

  The listener named Nicole made this. She put the free space like randomly all over the card for each different card.

• 4:39Karen Kilgariff?

  Right.

• 4:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Which I think makes sense.

• 4:41Karen Kilgariff?

  Sure. You and your millennial and onward, the children of tomorrow.

• 4:47Georgia Hardstark?

  What advantages if everyone has that fucking advantage? It's not an advantage anymore.

• 4:51Karen Kilgariff?

  Right.

• 4:51Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 4:52Karen Kilgariff?

  It's just a free space.

• 4:53Georgia Hardstark?

  Right, which is stupid. So a free space being like wherever, different places on every board, then it's actually a free space and advantage.

• 5:01Karen Kilgariff?

  But then it's not the bingo card free space. Then you're not making a bingo card, you're just putting up a grid with all your shit in it and saying, "My way or the highway."

• 5:10Georgia Hardstark?

  No, unless you get this. Unless you get all four of these and the free, but the free space is there, but not for anyone else. So if they get all four of them too, doesn't matter.

• 5:20Karen Kilgariff?

  It is for everyone else. Everyone has the same free space, it's just in the wrong spot. So no matter what.

• 5:25Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, I thought they were different on every card. Aren't they? I think they are. I think, do we have the same one?

• 5:29Karen Kilgariff?

  If you and I played bingo right now,

• 5:31Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 5:31Karen Kilgariff?

  we would have to be playing off the same card, or we wouldn't be playing against each other. Does that make sense? Like, you, we would have to have the same things.

• 5:40Georgia Hardstark?

  No, we wouldn't. We'd have different things.

• 5:44Georgia Hardstark?

  That's how bingo works, right? Like,

• 5:45Karen Kilgariff?

  No.

• 5:45Georgia Hardstark?

  okay, I get Karen yells at audience. Check, if you got the same one, then what's the fucking point? Then we got all the same.

• 5:51Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, you're right.

• 5:52Georgia Hardstark?

  So this should be different.

• 5:53Karen Kilgariff?

  Because bingo cards are numerically different, but the balls are the same.

• 5:57Georgia Hardstark?

  Exactly.

• 5:58Karen Kilgariff?

  The calls are the same.

• 5:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Exactly. Let me explain bingo.

• 6:01Karen Kilgariff?

  Got it. No, apparently you need to. All I'm saying is,

• 6:04Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, so.

• 6:05Karen Kilgariff?

  you can

• 6:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 6:07Karen Kilgariff?

  do whatever the fuck you want.

• 6:08Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 6:09Karen Kilgariff?

  We know this to be true.

• 6:10Georgia Hardstark?

  I think this is a better, a better bingo.

• 6:13Karen Kilgariff?

  But if you're playing bingo,

• 6:15Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 6:15Karen Kilgariff?

  then you put, then you use the grid as the grid exists, and then you fill in around

• 6:20Georgia Hardstark?

  Right. But I like the idea that a free space is actually an advantage, not just a fucking empty box that everyone ticks. That's it.

• 6:29Karen Kilgariff?

  But then it's not bingo.

• 6:29Georgia Hardstark?

  Anyways.

• 6:31Karen Kilgariff?

  It isn't.

• 6:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes, it is. Do you think it's bingo? Let us know. Let her know that I'm right. Let her know I'm right on Instagram.

• 6:43Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, you've got all this confidence from this little sister argument. But I don't know about this because although I was wrong about the, look, if we, if we're breaking it down, the construct of bingo entirely.

• 6:54Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 6:54Karen Kilgariff?

  Let's throw it out and say, we're calling this grid games and just fucking whatever.

• 6:59Georgia Hardstark?

  He won't even call it bingo. Bingo is trademarked.

• 7:01Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 7:02Georgia Hardstark?

  You refuse.

• 7:02Karen Kilgariff?

  This is goes against everything bingo believes in.

• 7:05Georgia Hardstark?

  This is a grid game. This is a generic grid game.

• 7:08Karen Kilgariff?

  Grid game where free space goes random places. Also, what I do love is this, is this actual grid is from myfreebingocards.com.

• 7:19Georgia Hardstark?

  That's a, who made that? Like, that is my big thing. Find a niche and fill it. That is a fucking, someone got rich as fuck off of that.

• 7:28Karen Kilgariff?

  Myfreebingocards.com. Also, if you invented myfreebingocards.com, will you settle this debate between us? And maybe be the final.

• 7:36Georgia Hardstark?

  I mean, it's in.

• 7:37Karen Kilgariff?

  The final word?

• 7:37Georgia Hardstark?

  It's in the, it's in the URL. So I think I'm right. If it's in the URL, then it's science.

• 7:41Karen Kilgariff?

  My free space can be anywhere bingo cards.com?

• 7:44Georgia Hardstark?

  If bingo is in the URL.

• 7:47Karen Kilgariff?

  It's being misused. That's why I had to start the lawsuit that I've started already. That will be filed. It will be filed.

• 7:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Anyway, Karen yells at the audience. Georgia blows her nose on anything. I mean, who cares at this point? It's so funny, though. It's so funny.

• 8:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 8:05Georgia Hardstark?

  Marty, hot dog talk. Go fuck yourself.

• 8:08Karen Kilgariff?

  It's all the stuff.

• 8:09Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 8:09Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, I would hope that we would be bringing something new to the stage so that people aren't just like, this again? Oh, someone burped? Oh, okay. Okay, I guess you're doing that again.

• 8:18Georgia Hardstark?

  But everyone likes familiar. Georgia makes up a new word. I will do my best.

• 8:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Please do.

• 8:23Georgia Hardstark?

  New show plug. We don't do that.

• 8:25Karen Kilgariff?

  Not during our own show?

• 8:27Georgia Hardstark?

  No.

• 8:27Karen Kilgariff?

  No. It's all about us.

• 8:29Georgia Hardstark?

  All right, well.

• 8:30Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah. If you haven't gotten your tickets for a live show and you would like to go see us, are some still left? Hopefully, at the time of this recording, there are. Go check at myfavoritemurder.com. At myfreebingocard.com.

• 8:46Georgia Hardstark?

  Dot co. No, myfavoritemurder.com/live.

• 8:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Yep.

• 8:50Georgia Hardstark?

  Bingo.

• 8:53Karen Kilgariff?

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• 9:46Karen Kilgariff?

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• 9:53Georgia Hardstark?

  To everyone else, she's the same Ellen they've known their whole lives. But for Sonny, he knows something is off.

• 9:59Karen Kilgariff?

  As his relationship with his mother begins to crack in unsettling ways, he's forced to question what happens when the perfect mom becomes a perfect stranger.

• 10:07Georgia Hardstark?

  Is this all in his head or is there really an imposter in his house?

• 10:10Karen Kilgariff?

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• 10:20Karen Kilgariff?

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• 10:34Karen Kilgariff?

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• 10:47Karen Kilgariff?

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• 10:55Georgia Hardstark?

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• 11:00Karen Kilgariff?

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• 11:11Georgia Hardstark?

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• 11:16Karen Kilgariff?

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• 11:17Georgia Hardstark?

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• 11:21Karen Kilgariff?

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• 11:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Goodbye.

• 11:27Karen Kilgariff?

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• 12:06Karen Kilgariff?

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• 12:15Karen Kilgariff?

  Goodbye.

• 12:16Georgia Hardstark?

  Goodbye.

• 12:19Karen Kilgariff?

  This is a solo episode, and that means that Georgia's the one telling the story this time, because I did it last time.

• 12:24Georgia Hardstark?

  That's right.

• 12:25Karen Kilgariff?

  We are splitting up the research because being on the road again means we have to have basically triple the amount of stories that we would normally have to have between summer and winter.

• 12:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 12:38Karen Kilgariff?

  We are taxing our researchers to a degree that is insane.

• 12:41Georgia Hardstark?

  I mean, the researchers, the producers, so everyone's being taxed.

• 12:44Karen Kilgariff?

  Everyone's being taxed.

• 12:45Georgia Hardstark?

  And we appreciate it.

• 12:46Karen Kilgariff?

  Our production manager.

• 12:49Karen Kilgariff?

  Me, myself.

• 12:50Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow.

• 12:50Karen Kilgariff?

  My mouth is being taxed every goddamn day.

• 12:54Georgia Hardstark?

  Just can't.

• 12:54Karen Kilgariff?

  No more taxes. Production manager.

• 12:58Karen Kilgariff?

  Damn.

• 12:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Everybody. So today I have a story that's got a lot of the things we talk about all rolled into one.

• 13:06Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay.

• 13:06Georgia Hardstark?

  It's a murder story. It's a story about a fascinating woman's life. And it's sort of a story of that woman living her best life, but it's a hoax.

• 13:18Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh.

• 13:19Georgia Hardstark?

  This is the story of the whirlwind life of Australian design legend Florence Broadhurst and her tragic unsolved murder.

• 13:27Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay.

• 13:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Have you heard of her?

• 13:28Karen Kilgariff?

  No.

• 13:29Georgia Hardstark?

  The main source used to hear the story is a book called Florence Broadhurst, Her Secret and Extraordinary Lives by Helen O'Neill. And the rest of the sources can be found in our show notes. So I actually found this story on Instagram, of all places, on the ABC Radio National Instagram. And it's a story told by Zoe Ferguson. And it comes from their podcast, The History Listen Podcast, hosted by Kirsty Melville.

• 13:54Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay.

• 13:54Georgia Hardstark?

  So check that out.

• 13:55Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 13:55Georgia Hardstark?

  So it's October 15, 1977. How old is Karen?

• 13:59Karen Kilgariff?

  Seven.

• 14:00Georgia Hardstark?

  Thank you. And we're in Paddington, Australia. It's a Sydney suburb, and we're at Florence Broadhurst's Wallpaper Company. How much do you love wallpaper?

• 14:10Karen Kilgariff?

  The fact that wallpaper has made a comeback, it makes me so happy. We were in Palm Springs this weekend.

• 14:15Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my God.

• 14:16Karen Kilgariff?

  And there's so many places where like, there was a bar where they put up like zebra and jungle print wallpaper.

• 14:22Georgia Hardstark?

  I'm obsessed with wallpaper.

• 14:24Karen Kilgariff?

  It makes, it just like sets the tone. It's incredible.

• 14:27Georgia Hardstark?

  I bet there was a place she went to that had her wallpaper, because it's iconic and famous, but she wouldn't know. Here, let me show you a photo of it.

• 14:33Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes, please.

• 14:35Georgia Hardstark?

  There's a couple. But then there's this like, really like mad men looking style to this one. And it had like, the gold leaf on it. It's like your grandma's wallpaper that you used to like, trace with your fingers. And we're like, this is the most glamorous thing I've ever seen as a child.

• 14:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 14:50Georgia Hardstark?

  Is this made with real gold? Like, just, you know what I mean?

• 14:52Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 14:53Georgia Hardstark?

  Like iconic wallpaper. They're all busy, though. So you want to do an accent wall, not like the whole bathroom or whatever. That's my design suggestion.

• 15:01Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay, yeah.

• 15:02Georgia Hardstark?

  Accent wall.

• 15:03Karen Kilgariff?

  My aunt and uncle, my aunt Kathleen and uncle Rich, in their downstairs bathroom had wallpaper.

• 15:07Karen Kilgariff?

  Wallpaper and it was a bunch of cartoon people getting out of the shower and drying off.

• 15:12Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, that's so cute.

• 15:13Karen Kilgariff?

  The cutest, like you'd be standing in the bathroom and you wanted to see if you could spot where the people started repeating.

• 15:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 15:20Karen Kilgariff?

  Because it seemed like all these different people.

• 15:21Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, that person's over there. Yeah, wallpaper. It's the fucking best.

• 15:25Karen Kilgariff?

  Wallpaper. We can't talk about it enough.

• 15:28Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, so she is like this legendary wallpaper designer. She's sort of legendary in general. Everyone knows her. She's known to be this aristocratic British woman who studied art in Europe before settling in Australia to design this fabulous wallpaper. She's 78 years old. She has this like bright red, almost orange hair.

• 15:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Of course.

• 15:50Georgia Hardstark?

  She's very eccentric looking as you would imagine someone who makes wallpaper. Like, look at her. Like, sign me up. She looks like, what's her name? Next door on Three's Company.

• 16:01Karen Kilgariff?

  Mrs. Roper?

• 16:01Georgia Hardstark?

  She looks like Mrs. Roper, but a little bit like older Lucille Ball.

• 16:05Karen Kilgariff?

  Auntie Mame. Yeah, she looks like the fun aunt that's like.

• 16:08Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, smokes cigarettes.

• 16:10Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 16:11Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, very like glamorous and intriguing. Like, that's what she's going for.

• 16:17Karen Kilgariff?

  Wait, she is the one where like if you worked at her wallpaper, wallpapers to go store, she'd be like, you'd be 15 and she'd be like, "Let's have a glass of wine. I won't tell your mom."

• 16:26Georgia Hardstark?

  "Do you like Chablis? Have you had Chablis?" Okay, yes, that's exactly who she is. She has lots of rich and famous friends. She throws amazing parties. She speaks with a posh British accent. And most people think that her father was a wealthy cattle breeder in England and that she grew up in a household full of servants, an aristocrat.

• 16:44Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 16:45Georgia Hardstark?

  So, October 15th, 1977, as I said, at about 4:15 in the afternoon, some customers enter the factory through an unlocked front door. The factory seems eerily deserted, so they leave. The next morning, a neighbor realizes the factory's lights have been on all night and calls the police, which just tells you that like what people were like then. If my lights were on all night, my neighbors wouldn't give a fucking shit.

• 17:08Karen Kilgariff?

  Right.

• 17:09Georgia Hardstark?

  It's like, people talked to each other back then.

• 17:10Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, MYOB. And also, it's a factory. So like, that idea that they're like, we're concerned and we want to make sure.

• 17:17Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 17:17Karen Kilgariff?

  Even though. It would be very easy to write off.

• 17:20Georgia Hardstark?

  Right. When the police come and investigate, they find out that Florence, the larger-than-life designer, has been brutally murdered. Florence is found in a bathroom on the factory's upper floor. She's been struck about nine times by a blunt object, seemingly a piece of wood that someone picked up inside the factory, because it's still there. Florence is found slumped by a toilet. Her hearing aids are out of her ears, looked like there was a struggle. Some of her fingers are broken, and two very expensive rings she had on are missing, making the police think that it's a robbery is the motive. But at the same time, they notice the overkill and don't think that that points to robbery. So the entrance to the factory had been unlocked, so anyone could have wandered in.

• 18:02Georgia Hardstark?

  And it appears that the attacker left through the factory's padlocked back door and locked it behind themselves, possibly. This leads people to believe that the attacker had knowledge of the factory and possibly worked there or had once worked there. At Florence's funeral, her high society friends mingle with her family for the first time, and they start to learn that while Florence's father did in fact work with cattle, it was not in the English countryside, but in rural Queensland, Australia. She had fabricated this fanciful life for herself.

• 18:34Karen Kilgariff?

  I love her even more.

• 18:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. She had come from humble beginnings. She had reinvented herself very successfully several times throughout her life. So Florence is born in a very remote part of Queensland, Australia, to Bill and Margaret Anne Broadhurst in 1899. The family lives in a small cottage on a large wilderness area, which her father is responsible for managing. It's about 230 miles northwest of Brisbane. The nearest town, Mount Perry, has a population of 250 people. So they grew up in the rural area.

• 19:05Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 19:06Georgia Hardstark?

  You know? To get there, the Broadhurst need to ride a horse 20 miles on a trail to get to the nearest town.

• 19:12Karen Kilgariff?

  No.

• 19:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, but back then, have fun.

• 19:15Karen Kilgariff?

  Well, if you have enough biscuits or whatever. But like, I just always think of running errands. I just think of how it was to live five miles out of town with a car.

• 19:24Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, you did that.

• 19:24Karen Kilgariff?

  It was so irritating. And on Friday nights, when you'd be driving out, like, for the weekend, you'd be like, "Do I have everything I need?"

• 19:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 19:32Karen Kilgariff?

  Because you're, like, not going to go back into town for two days.

• 19:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Also, Australian bugs, that probably wasn't flying in your face while you're, like, riding a horse.

• 19:40Karen Kilgariff?

  Snakes coming up the horse's leg. They don't care in Australia.

• 19:45Georgia Hardstark?

  No. Florence has three siblings, an older brother named Fassifern.

• 19:49Karen Kilgariff?

  Spell that, please.

• 19:50Georgia Hardstark?

  F A S S I F E R N. Fassifern.

• 19:54Karen Kilgariff?

  Family name.

• 19:54Georgia Hardstark?

  And two younger sisters named May Millicent and Priscilla. And another sister sadly died in infancy. So Bill Broadhurst, Florence's dad, is a tough-as-nails cowboy. But everyone who knows him says the same thing about him. He is a master storyteller. He's known for being able to spin mesmerizing tales around a campfire. And as Florence grows up, at the turn of the century, the population of nearby Mount Perry grows and fortunes in the town rise because of nearby copper mines. So Margaret and her sisters are able to join a new tennis club in town. And the town starts having dances and picnics and parties. And they have piano lessons and sewing lessons. So the Broadhurst girls learn to be proper young ladies.

• 20:39Georgia Hardstark?

  In her teens, it becomes apparent that Florence is a very talented singer. And she tries to make it as a soloist, but her career doesn't take off. So she joins a traveling theater troupe called the Globetrotters. A traveling theater troupe.

• 20:52Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, we'll just go do some Shakespeare down on the coast.

• 20:56Georgia Hardstark?

  In 1922, when Florence is about 23 years old, like, her fucking life sounds amazing. She and the Globetrotters sail for Singapore. Florence chops her hair off into a bob, wears a wardrobe of sparkly flapper dresses, and performs under the name Bobby Broadhurst. Let me show you a photo of her.

• 21:16Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, she looks like a silent movie star.

• 21:17Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, she does. Just that era. Here's another one. She looks like the chick from Gilded Age.

• 21:23Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 21:23Georgia Hardstark?

  The daughter.

• 21:24Karen Kilgariff?

  The daughter.

• 21:24Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 21:25Karen Kilgariff?

  That's right. And she's just off to live life. She's like, bye.

• 21:28Georgia Hardstark?

  Like, yeah.

• 21:29Karen Kilgariff?

  Go to Singapore.

• 21:30Georgia Hardstark?

  Go to Singapore. I'm 23. I'm not getting married. I'm cutting off my hair. I'm doing what I want. Goodbye. In cities across Asia, mostly because of the long history of British colonization, of course, there are huge expat communities seeking familiar entertainment. So the Globetrotters are very popular. When their tour's over, what?

• 21:48Karen Kilgariff?

  I just want to make a Harlem Globetrotters joke about how they're like, they always win.

• 21:53Georgia Hardstark?

  When their tour is over in 1924, Florence briefly works as a resident performer at a nightclub in Shanghai. Like, hmm, God, I bet life was amazing.

• 22:01Karen Kilgariff?

  I bet her cigarettes were like this long.

• 22:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Totally. But then sets up a dancing and finishing school for daughters of wealthy expats. As I said, find a niche and fill it.

• 22:12Karen Kilgariff?

  Yep.

• 22:12Georgia Hardstark?

  Right? She's like, these little girls of rich families.

• 22:16Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, they need to get classed up. And also, I don't like how plain these walls are, but we'll deal with that later.

• 22:21Georgia Hardstark?

  That's my next iteration of life. But the political situation in Shanghai quickly begins to deteriorate, leading to a civil war in 1927. At this point, Florence, who was about 26 years old, heads for England. There she finds work in high-end fashion houses, using the sewing skills she learned as a child. She also quickly charms her way into all the right parties, and she meets a 30-year-old stockbroker named Percy Kahn. The two get married in June of 1929 in a lavish ceremony in London. On the marriage license, Florence says she's 27 instead of 29. Two years.

• 22:55Karen Kilgariff?

  Yep, clip them off.

• 22:56Georgia Hardstark?

  It's basically the same thing.

• 22:58Karen Kilgariff?

  Play with your government age. Who cares?

• 23:01Georgia Hardstark?

  So she marries a stockbroker, right? He's rich. This is great.

• 23:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Everything's going good.

• 23:05Georgia Hardstark?

  It's 1929. So not a great time to marry a stockbroker.

• 23:09Karen Kilgariff?

  Not really.

• 23:10Georgia Hardstark?

  Three months after marrying Percy, the US stock market crashes, causing the Great Depression around the world. We don't have all the details, but it seems like Percy, whose father is also a stockbroker, loses their family fortune.

• 23:23Karen Kilgariff?

  Wow.

• 23:24Georgia Hardstark?

  Florence immediately pivots, as she likes to do.

• 23:26Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 23:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Using the connections she's made working in fashion houses, they need to make money. She's like, all right, I'm going to open my own dressmaking shop. I'm going to target consumers who want high-end fashion at a more reasonable price, because people don't have the money right now.

• 23:41Karen Kilgariff?

  No one has money now.

• 23:42Georgia Hardstark?

  But she's so good at marketing, and she knows the fashion industry is all about branding. So she names herself Madame Pelier and speaks in a French accent. She turns herself French.

• 23:55Karen Kilgariff?

  Perfect.

• 23:55Georgia Hardstark?

  Just like in, um...

• 23:57Karen Kilgariff?

  The movie French Kiss, where Kevin Kline pretenses he's French?

• 24:00Georgia Hardstark?

  The British, the British aristocrat. I'm not drunk.

• 24:06Karen Kilgariff?

  Downton Abbey?

• 24:07Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, no. No, the other one. Bridgerton?

• 24:09Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 24:11Georgia Hardstark?

  Just like in Bridgerton, fake French accent. But business is booming. Unfortunately, Florence's marriage to Percy is breaking down. They don't ever really divorce.

• 24:20Karen Kilgariff?

  The Gilded Age?

• 24:20Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. No.

• 24:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Where the cook is pretending to be French?

• 24:23Georgia Hardstark?

  No, you had it.

• 24:24Karen Kilgariff?

  Bridgerton?

• 24:25Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 24:25Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay.

• 24:25Georgia Hardstark?

  Remember the dressmaker?

• 24:27Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, because it also happens in the Gilded Age.

• 24:29Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, that makes, I guess it happened then.

• 24:31Speaker 04

  I think you're thinking of Madame de la Croix.

• 24:34Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes.

• 24:34Karen Kilgariff?

  Madame de la Croix, thank you.

• 24:36Speaker 04

  I think she might actually be French.

• 24:38Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh.

• 24:39Speaker 04

  Unclear.

• 24:40Karen Kilgariff?

  But did you watch The Gilded Age? Because you could be combining.

• 24:42Georgia Hardstark?

  A couple of seasons. Oh, not the whole thing. Leave all of that in, please.

• 24:46Karen Kilgariff?

  It's so good.

• 24:46Georgia Hardstark?

  It's important.

• 24:47Karen Kilgariff?

  It's incredible.

• 24:48Georgia Hardstark?

  Her dressmaking shop is welcoming and tastefully decorated, and she does very well for a few years. But while business is booming, Florence's marriage to Percy is breaking down. They don't ever actually divorce, which is pretty difficult to do back then, especially when you're married in a Catholic ceremony. But they split up, and it seems like this happens after 1936 because Florence meets a handsome fruit merchant named Leonard Lloyd Lewis. Say that three times.

• 25:15Karen Kilgariff?

  I thought you were going to say Leonard Lemons.

• 25:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Leonard Lloyd Lemons. Florence is now 36 years old. She falls in love with this guy. Due to that not-quite divorce from Percy, Florence doesn't actually ever marry Leonard Lemons, although they tell everyone that they are married. In 1939, they have a baby. They name him Robin, but everyone calls him Robert. And in fact, he didn't know that they weren't ever married until his parents passed.

• 25:43Karen Kilgariff?

  That's hilarious. That's like a little family secret that just comes out later on.

• 25:48Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, it's like they were the first, like, it's just a piece of paper.

• 25:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Right.

• 25:50Georgia Hardstark?

  It doesn't mean anything.

• 25:51Karen Kilgariff?

  Cool.

• 25:54Georgia Hardstark?

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• 25:58Karen Kilgariff?

  Sonny's life is pretty great, until he wakes up from a car accident to a world that looks exactly like his with one exception: his mom.

• 26:06Georgia Hardstark?

  To everyone else, she's the same Ellen they've known their whole lives. But for Sonny, he knows something is off.

• 26:12Karen Kilgariff?

  As his relationship with his mother begins to crack in unsettling ways, he's forced to question what happens when the perfect mom becomes a perfect stranger.

• 26:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Is this all in his head? Is there really an imposter in his house?

• 26:23Karen Kilgariff?

  Starring five-time Emmy nominee Connie Britton and Sam Nevola, this small town is hiding the mother of all mysteries just beneath the surface.

• 26:30Georgia Hardstark?

  Watch the Hulu original series, Phony.

• 26:32Karen Kilgariff?

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• 26:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Goodbye.

• 26:38Karen Kilgariff?

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• 26:42Georgia Hardstark?

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• 26:44Karen Kilgariff?

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• 26:54Georgia Hardstark?

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• 27:03Karen Kilgariff?

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• 27:11Georgia Hardstark?

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• 27:17Karen Kilgariff?

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• 27:24Georgia Hardstark?

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• 27:26Karen Kilgariff?

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• 27:33Georgia Hardstark?

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• 27:41Karen Kilgariff?

  Research shows patients spend the equivalent of an eight-hour workday every month coordinating their own care.

• 27:47Georgia Hardstark?

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• 27:52Karen Kilgariff?

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• 27:53Georgia Hardstark?

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• 28:00Karen Kilgariff?

  Think of them as someone in your corner who understands the healthcare system and can handle the logistics while you focus on your health.

• 28:06Georgia Hardstark?

  They can help with appointments, insurance denials, medical bills, treatment options, and understanding doctor recommendations.

• 28:12Karen Kilgariff?

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• 28:17Georgia Hardstark?

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• 28:22Karen Kilgariff?

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• 28:24Georgia Hardstark?

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• 28:28Karen Kilgariff?

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• 28:32Georgia Hardstark?

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• 28:34Karen Kilgariff?

  That's S O L A C E health.com slash murder.

• 28:38Georgia Hardstark?

  Goodbye.

• 28:39Karen Kilgariff?

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• 29:05Georgia Hardstark?

  Goodbye.

• 29:08Georgia Hardstark?

  In 1949, when Robert, the son, is 10 and Florence is around 49, the family moves back to Australia and Robert meets his mother's family for the first time, her kid. And she had tricked him too, it seems. He realizes that while she acted in every way the British sophisticate, she was actually from deep in the country where there are no paved roads.

• 29:29Karen Kilgariff?

  Mm hmm.

• 29:30Georgia Hardstark?

  Back in Australia, so rad.

• 29:31Karen Kilgariff?

  Love it.

• 29:31Georgia Hardstark?

  Robert has been in British boarding schools since the age of five and he didn't like it there. So he's actually really aware of class differences and so what he sees doesn't compute to him. He says, quote, "I couldn't understand. My mother, who I knew was gentry, this is where she came from?"

• 29:47Karen Kilgariff?

  Mm hmm.

• 29:48Georgia Hardstark?

  That said, the Broadhurst family, while not quite aristocracy, seems to have done very well for themselves. Florence's father has built a nice little hotel and they're doing well. By this point, Florence's mother has died years earlier of an illness and her sisters are now like, oh, this bitch is back. They don't trust her.

• 30:06Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh.

• 30:07Georgia Hardstark?

  Because she's been like gallivanting and living her life and then suddenly she comes back and they're, because they're doing well.

• 30:13Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh.

• 30:13Georgia Hardstark?

  And also lying about her background. So they just kind of are like distrustful of her.

• 30:17Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay.

• 30:17Georgia Hardstark?

  May Millicent passes away not long after Florence moves back to Australia, but Priscilla, her other sister, keeps Florence at arm's length. This just sounds like a fictional book, doesn't it?

• 30:27Karen Kilgariff?

  It's soap opera, yeah, totally.

• 30:28Georgia Hardstark?

  Priscilla had been looking after their father, taking care of him. He's getting older, so Priscilla is like, you know, Florence just kind of shows back up when it's convenient for her, not a fan.

• 30:39Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 30:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Florence and her, quote, "husband and son," Robert, settle outside Sydney and Leonard starts running a successful car dealership. Oh, wait, Lemon would make sense still for his name. His made up name.

• 30:54Karen Kilgariff?

  For his used cars.

• 30:55Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes. My god. Florence decides to take up painting. She wants to become very successful at it. It seems like she doesn't half-ass anything.

• 31:03Karen Kilgariff?

  No, and it's like the arts where she's like, I'll sing. I will teach other people.

• 31:07Georgia Hardstark?

  Make dresses. I'll do these fanciful things.

• 31:10Karen Kilgariff?

  She's got the eye.

• 31:11Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. But unfortunately, her plan to make it big as an artist ultimately doesn't really pan out. But she spends the 50s getting involved in high society charity events, ultimately ingratiating herself within Sydney's wealthy and elite. She generally doesn't mention her background and lets people believe that she's from some kind of British old money. She's like, let them believe what they want. I didn't say it. I just faked my accent.

• 31:35Karen Kilgariff?

  That's right. I'm just talking weird.

• 31:39Georgia Hardstark?

  At the same time, her relationship with Leonard is starting to break down. Florence, you know, a master at pivoting, has a new plan. She's going to design and manufacture wallpaper.

• 31:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay.

• 31:51Georgia Hardstark?

  We're back here.

• 31:52Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 31:52Georgia Hardstark?

  She launches her company Florence Broadhurst Designs in 1961. Florence's timing with this wallpaper is perfect because it's this early 60s. Wallpaper in bright, colorful patterns is extremely popular and Australia is experiencing a building boom. So that like, design is huge. Plus Florence has spent the past decade cultivating connections with Australian society. So she quickly is able to get her designs in the home of tastemakers. These new, beautiful, opulent homes.

• 32:20Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 32:20Georgia Hardstark?

  With her wallpaper. Her designs are incredibly varied. Geometric, some are floral, stampeding horses, lots of whimsical designs and colorful stuff. Now Florence gives several interviews where she does say she is British and that she trained as an artist in Europe. But she also happily takes credit for being a pioneer of a distinctly Australian design sensibility. So she wants it all.

• 32:42Karen Kilgariff?

  And she's gonna have it all.

• 32:43Georgia Hardstark?

  That's right. It seems like this is just another calculation, you know, like passing herself off as French. Florence understands that people are buying her as much as they are buying her wallpaper.

• 32:53Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 32:54Georgia Hardstark?

  By the early 1970s, Florence is in her 70s, but she has an amazing ability to spot design trends emerging around the world and get them out to Australian consumers. She employs lots of artists and screen printers at her design house. And it's in fact, a little unclear how many of the designs are really her own. There's not a lot of that information out there. Seems like she mostly watches over the artists and tells them what to do. But you know, that's still a designer. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And she also makes screen printed by hand wallpaper, which has been taken over by machine made wallpaper and Richie people want the screen printed by hand stuff, you know, with custom hand painted details.

• 33:39Georgia Hardstark?

  So it's very expensive wallpaper. So yeah, the business is flourishing. So Florence is pretty casual about the business side of things. For example, she pays all her employees in cash, which she carries around in her pocketbook. And in 1974, when she's about 74 years old, she's attacked in her store and beaten. She never sees her assailant, but he takes the cash from her purse like he knew it was there. People speculate that it might have been an employee or former employee who knew when she would have all that cash on her before payday. But the attackers never found and investigators wonder if the same person killed Florence because her murder happened three years later. Investigators disagree as to whether the motive of her murder had simply been stealing

• 34:23Georgia Hardstark?

  her jewelry or if this just had just been a ruse. And since her death was so violent, they thought that maybe the robbery was a cover up. And then over the years, there's another theory that has emerged, which I think is pretty strong. Let me see what you think. So between 1989 and 1990, very short period of time, six elderly women are murdered and at least seven more assaulted around Sydney's North Shore. A man in his 50s, he is eventually caught. He's a pie and pastry salesman. Going door to door? Like going at businesses, selling them lunch, that kind of thing. Okay. He's a man in his 50s named John Wayne Glover. He's caught and convicted of these murders in 1990 and sentenced to life in prison.

• 35:05Georgia Hardstark?

  Because of his penchant for attacking older and elderly women, he is nicknamed the Granny Killer. But of course, investigators believe, I mean, they think he started when he was fifty, in his 50s. That we know doesn't happen.

• 35:17Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 35:18Georgia Hardstark?

  Right? So like, they are pretty sure there is other victims. And so they think that he could very possibly be Florence's murderer. Partly because he posed as victims in a way that was sort of similar to the way Florence was found in the bathroom, as well as her manner of death. Investigators wonder if she could have been one of his early victims, because it was 1977. So if he actually didn't start killing until 1989, it wouldn't have been him. But we're not of the belief that people start murdering in their 50s. Like serially murdering violently.

• 35:48Karen Kilgariff?

  Serial killers usually start much earlier.

• 35:50Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 35:50Karen Kilgariff?

  And there's other things that happen to other victims. And also start in other crimes and then kind of cross over. So if it was, he heard that this old lady carries money on her.

• 36:00Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 36:00Karen Kilgariff?

  And it was supposed to be a robbery.

• 36:02Georgia Hardstark?

  Right. So his MO would be that he would follow older women, his victims were 60 to 90 years old, and attack them while they walked alone in public or in their home. His method was that he would beat them with an instrument, sometimes a hammer, and then leave them with something tied around their neck to make it seem, I guess he wanted to make it seem like a sexually motivated crime when he claimed it wasn't. But he also did sexually assault other older ladies, so we don't totally believe that. No proof has been found of him killing before 1989, when he was 56. At this stage, he'd been married for 20 years, he had children, his wife had no knowledge of his previous criminal offenses. And he was caught, it's just such an insane story that like deserves its own episode.

• 36:47Georgia Hardstark?

  But he was caught when he sexually attacked a sick elderly woman at a nursing hospital where he regularly sold his pies. So he had a meeting there and then he went into this woman's room. He had his clipboard on him and his uniform on. And we always talk about clipboards making people.

• 37:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, it makes you look busy and official.

• 37:06Georgia Hardstark?

  And legitimate.

• 37:07Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 37:08Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. The elderly woman pressed the bedside emergency button and a sister at the hospital, Pauline Davis, came into the room and saw him and said, "Who the hell are you?" Which is like, that's swearing for a nun, right? Like, that's a big deal.

• 37:24Karen Kilgariff?

  It is, it is.

• 37:25Georgia Hardstark?

  She chases him out into the parking lot and takes down his registration number as he drives away. And also, they knew him. And so they ended up like IDing him and his photo. He was the guy that came around a lot.

• 37:36Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 37:37Georgia Hardstark?

  The long story short, it still took authorities weeks and another dead woman to catch him.

• 37:41Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, God.

• 37:42Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. He was found guilty and died in prison of suicide in 2005 at 72 years old, taking his secrets with him. But it is found that this man and Florence had actually attended the same wedding in the 70s. So they actually had a personal connection. And he didn't, he only had personal connections with one other victim, but that's enough.

• 38:03Karen Kilgariff?

  Especially if it's an earlier victim.

• 38:05Georgia Hardstark?

  Right. It didn't, yes, exactly. Like, he learned not to do it that way, or whatever it is.

• 38:09Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 38:09Georgia Hardstark?

  Right. So they had a mutual friend and they were at a wedding together. To me, that's like, that's too much of a coincidence.

• 38:14Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, that's wild.

• 38:16Georgia Hardstark?

  He denied killing her when he was caught, but let's not try to believe anything he says.

• 38:20Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 38:22Georgia Hardstark?

  The other working theory is that she was killed possibly by someone she knew from the factory, just simply for the rings on her hand. Florence's designs are not as popular as they once were, but they're still very famous. Like, the woman I found the story through has a tattoo of one of her designs on her arm.

• 38:37Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, wow.

• 38:37Georgia Hardstark?

  I know, like a beautiful flower. And they're still used sometimes today. And that is the story of the unsolved murder and fascinating life of Florence Broadhurst.

• 38:47Karen Kilgariff?

  Wow.

• 38:48Georgia Hardstark?

  I mean, like, just so tragic. What an incredible life. And that's the end of the story. It's so upsetting.

• 38:56Karen Kilgariff?

  It's really upsetting. And also, the idea that like, that a woman like that would have a bunch of connections, meeting people, making impressions. So what does that, especially in the earlier, like, if it was the 60s? If that person met her a lot earlier or something where it's like, somebody that already hates women, it's like, listen to this broad who's, you know.

• 39:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Successful.

• 39:20Karen Kilgariff?

  Successful, confident.

• 39:21Georgia Hardstark?

  Totally.

• 39:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Runs a business, has money. It's like, that resentment.

• 39:25Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 39:26Karen Kilgariff?

  Because getting hit nine times with the, essentially a log.

• 39:30Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 39:30Karen Kilgariff?

  That's, that is overkill and that is an emotional murder, isn't it?

• 39:34Georgia Hardstark?

  I think so, too.

• 39:35Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 39:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. Yeah, I think he did it.

• 39:38Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, God.

• 39:39Georgia Hardstark?

  Heartbreaking and like, what an incredible woman. I wish we could have seen what else she had done with her life because I bet she had other chapters still.

• 39:46Karen Kilgariff?

  It sounds like she could pretty much pivot anywhere for any reason.

• 39:50Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, totally.

• 39:51Karen Kilgariff?

  Wow, great one.

• 39:52Georgia Hardstark?

  Thanks.

• 39:53Karen Kilgariff?

  That's really fascinating and I love a visual aid.

• 39:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, isn't that good? Wallpaper, we'll put it up on the Instagram if we're allowed to.

• 40:00Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, yeah. Well, then if we can't, Georgia will redraw by hand her version of all of these wallpapers.

• 40:07Georgia Hardstark?

  With real gold.

• 40:08Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes, her own gold from her gold bars. Well, great story, great find.

• 40:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Thank you, guys, for listening to this solo episode. We appreciate you.

• 40:17Karen Kilgariff?

  That's right. We might see you in real life. We might see you out on the road. That's something that we're doing now. So if you want to come, please come and see us.

• 40:25Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, please.

• 40:26Karen Kilgariff?

  Until then, stay sexy.

• 40:27Georgia Hardstark?

  And don't get murdered.

• 40:28Karen Kilgariff?

  Goodbye. Elvis, do you want a cookie?

• 40:39Karen Kilgariff?

  This has been an Exactly Right production.

• 40:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Our senior producers are Alejandra Keck and Molly Smith.

• 40:43Karen Kilgariff?

  Our editor is Aristotle Acevedo.

• 40:46Georgia Hardstark?

  This episode was mixed by Leona Scolacci.

• 40:48Karen Kilgariff?

  Our researchers are Maren McGlashan and Ally Elkin.

• 40:51Georgia Hardstark?

  Email your hometowns to [email protected].

• 40:54Karen Kilgariff?

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• 40:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Listen to My Favorite Murder on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 41:01Karen Kilgariff?

  And now you can watch us on Exactly Right's YouTube page. While you're there, please like and subscribe.

• 41:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Goodbye.

• 41:14Karen Kilgariff?

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• 41:39Georgia Hardstark?

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• 41:43Karen Kilgariff?

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• 41:46Georgia Hardstark?

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• 41:52Karen Kilgariff?

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• 41:57Georgia Hardstark?

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• 42:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Something like this is just like, it's simple, it's easy, and it actually works.

• 42:07Georgia Hardstark?

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• 42:13Karen Kilgariff?

  Goodbye.

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