341. The Catfish Double Homicide - The Murder of Christine Banfield and Joseph Ryan

On this episode, Garrett and Payton dive into the case of Christine Banfield and Joseph Ryan, a twisted double murder involving a secret affair, a catfishing scheme, and a deadly plot that was far more complicated than anyone realized. Links: Netflix Video Every Monday @11am PST, 12pm MST, 2pm EST 1pm CST https://www.netflix.com/murderwithmyhusband Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/murderwithmyhusband NEW MERCH LINK: https://mwmhshop.com Discount Codes: https://mailchi.mp/c6f48670aeac/oh-no-media-discount-codes Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/themwmh Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/into-the-dark/id1662304327 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36SDVKB2MEWpFGVs9kRgQ7?si=f5224c9fd99542a7 Case Sources: People.com - https://people.com/where-is-brendan-banfield-now-11993182 CBSNews.com - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brendan-banfield-trial-killing-wife-au-pair-testifies-virginia/ ABCNews.com - https://abcnews.com/US/plot-involving-fetish-website-au-pair-affair-led/story?id=129895465 NYPost.com - https://nypost.com/2026/01/20/us-news/how-brandon-banfield-allegedly-plotted-wifes-murder-with-twisted-rape-fantasy/ KSat.com - https://www.ksat.com/news/2026/02/13/brazilian-au-pair-gets-10-year-sentence-for-killing-joseph-ryan-in-murder-plot-against-lovers-wife/ WJLA.com - https://wjla.com/news/local/judge-to-determine-sentence-for-au-pair-juliana-peres-magalhaes-trial-brendan-banfield-double-murder-fairfax-county-virginia-christine-banfield-joe-ryan-commonwealth-courts CNN.com - https://www.cnn.com/2026/06/05/us/brendan-banfield-murders-sentencing-virginia WUSA9.com - https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/crime/true-crime/brendan-banfield-murder-trial/christine-banfield-remembered-as-a-role-model-ahead-of-brendan-banfield-sentencing/65-91acd8fd-a743-448f-ab67-19ac70314c9b Biography.com - https://www.biography.com/crime/a71507550/brendan-banfield-au-pair-murder-plot NBCNews.com - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/au-pair-murders-brendan-banfield-juliana-peres-magalhaes-rcna266291 FairfaxCounty.gov - https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/commonwealthattorney/sites/commonwealthattorney/files/Assets/press%20releases%20master/10.29.24%20Peres%20Magalhaes%20plea.pdf NBCWashington.com - https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/northern-virginia/live-updates-brendan-banfield-to-be-sentenced-in-au-pair-affair-murder-case/4112692/ Dateline NBC - https://www.peacocktv.com/watch/playback/vod/_/c46c99f1-c6e2-31e6-9132-0cdb63b91da2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:50Payton Moreland?

  You're listening to an Ono Media Podcast. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the podcast. This is murder with my husband. I'm Payton Moreland.

• 0:57Garrett Moreland?

  And I'm Garrett Moreland.

• 0:59Payton Moreland?

  And he's the husband.

• 0:59Garrett Moreland?

  And I'm the husband.

• 1:00Payton Moreland?

  And I'm still pregnant.

• 1:02Garrett Moreland?

  Still pregnant. No baby yet. Another week, another episode, another pregnant belly.

• 1:09Payton Moreland?

  Well, same one.

• 1:10Garrett Moreland?

  Same one, true. Good morning. We're recording in the morning again. Kind of nice.

• 1:15Payton Moreland?

  Sure, yeah.

• 1:17Garrett Moreland?

  Don't you like recording in the morning or other than the day?

• 1:19Payton Moreland?

  I don't know. Sometimes I get worried about my voice in the morning.

• 1:22Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, really?

• 1:22Payton Moreland?

  Like giving out or something.

• 1:24Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, I feel like mine's a little more like raspier in the morning.

• 1:27Payton Moreland?

  Oh.

• 1:27Garrett Moreland?

  Like deeper, you know?

• 1:28Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 1:29Garrett Moreland?

  What do you want me to talk like this?

• 1:33Garrett Moreland?

  That's funny. Yeah, that's what we got. Hope everything is going well. We're just honestly, we've been waiting. We're waiting for this baby. We're setting up, getting ready for the baby. We're nesting.

• 1:44Payton Moreland?

  Yeah, we got basically everything.

• 1:47Garrett Moreland?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:48Payton Moreland?

  Done, so we just need to keep recording. Just keep going. It's Halloween month. It's October. Oh dang, we gotta put our Skelly in.

• 2:00Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, yeah, should I get him?

• 2:01Payton Moreland?

  Yeah, I forget when you put Mr. Skelly up.

• 2:04Garrett Moreland?

  Okay, let me grab him. All right, we got Mr. Skelly up, ready for Halloween, ready for October, ready to be parents. Yeah, that's all I got. I don't have a ton for 10 seconds because honestly, you've just been living, getting ready for baby life. All right, on that note, I think we're just gonna hop into today's case. Daisy's chewing her bone, so if you are watching on video, you'll see her just going away. If you're not, then now you know. Let's hop into this week's case.

• 2:35Payton Moreland?

  Our sources for this episode are people.com, CBSnews.com, ABCnews.com, NewYorkPost.com, KSAT.com, WJLA.com, CNN, USA9.com, Biography.com, NBCNews, FairfaxCounty.gov, NBCWashington.com, and Dateline. They say when someone shows you who they are, you should believe them. Most of the time, we use that phrase as a warning, a way to spot someone's intentions before it's too late. But I think it works both ways. If someone spends their life dedicated to helping others, to showing kindness, is consistent in their words and actions,

• 3:18Payton Moreland?

  then we need to believe that too. Because when something terrible happens and that person is no longer able to advocate for themselves, sometimes their actions, their history, is really all we have to work off of. And when a person's life tells a different story than the one told in death, maybe that means we need to be looking closer because sometimes the truth is the easiest thing to ignore. Today, I want to take you to Herndon, Virginia, to a quiet affluent neighborhood. We're in 2023, so not that long ago. A beautiful two-story brick house sits at the end of a cul-de-sac.

• 4:02Payton Moreland?

  37-year-old Christine and her 41-year-old husband, Brendan Banfield, just bought this house about four years earlier. They moved down south from Long Island, New York back in 2019 when Brendan was reassigned for his job. So Brendan, in 2023, works for the IRS. He was promoted to Special Agent in their Criminal Division, which investigates any potential violations of tax law and financial crimes.

• 4:36Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 4:36Payton Moreland?

  He and Christine, at that point, had been married for about 11 years, and they had a four-year-old daughter who was the light of their life, especially Christine's. Friends said there wasn't a conversation with Christine where she wasn't mentioning her daughter or pulling out pictures to show a crowd. But Christine was always a nurturing and caring person even before becoming a mother, even in her profession. Christine was a nurse who worked in the Pediatric Intensive Care Unit. This is a job that can't be easy for anyone.

• 5:15Payton Moreland?

  But Christine put her own emotions aside and dedicated herself and her work to helping children. She had also had a history of working with sexual assault victims during their recovery as well. One of Christine's friends described her as, quote, "one of the kindest people I have ever been in contact with." And even though she hadn't worked too many years in the hospital down in Fairfax County, Virginia, since they had recently just moved, her coworkers described her as the, quote, "backbone of the department." The person many of the other nurses looked up to, both in her career and her personal life as a wife and a mother.

• 6:00Payton Moreland?

  Because it actually wasn't easy for Christine and Brendan when it came to maintaining their marriage. They worked pretty opposite schedules, but Christine and Brendan found little ways to maintain their bond as time went on. They loved to go on hikes or concerts together. One of their favorite things to do was compete in a Tough Mudder competition. It's like the mud races.

• 6:29Garrett Moreland?

  Dang, I feel like now the equivalent of that is like high rocks.

• 6:33Payton Moreland?

  Yeah, yeah. Even just watching a weekend football game was considered good quality time spent together for them. They made it work as much as they could. Plus, their hard work had recently been paying off. They had been investing and had generated quite a bit of money for their daughter's future. Brendan always told his friends that he wanted his daughter to have, quote, "generational wealth" and to just live comfortably. But then things got a little more difficult during COVID. Suddenly, Christine was working even longer hours at the hospital than ever before. She volunteered for more shifts in the adult ICU just to lend a hand.

• 7:16Payton Moreland?

  In fact, her friends said she was actually one of the first to do so. It was like Christine saw a fire and ran into a burning building to save whoever she could. That's just the kind of person Christine was. But the brutal hours were definitely making things harder at home. So they decide to come up with a solution around this time. They decide, let's hire a nanny to just kind of help out around the house. Christine found someone she loved, but eventually, the nanny moved on to other things and Christine and Brendan had to search for someone else around October of 2021.

• 7:58Payton Moreland?

  That was when Christine decided, maybe it would be nice to give this opportunity to someone who could build a better life from it. She wanted to actually bring in an au pair, someone from another country who could live and work with them as they kind of establish their own life in the United States. And that is how she came across a 21-year-old Brazilian woman named Juliana Perez Magalhales.

• 8:26Garrett Moreland?

  Same.

• 8:27Payton Moreland?

  So Juliana moved into their home as planned, and she was paid $200 a week with the bonus of being rent-free because she was a live-in au pair.

• 8:37Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 8:38Payton Moreland?

  And it seemed to work out well. For the next year and a half, Juliana continued to live and work with the couple and their daughter. So this is until about February of 2023. Again, we are in Virginia. That was when the unthinkable happened in that beautiful brick home at the end of the cul-de-sac. On the morning of February 23rd, Juliana packed the Banfields' four-year-old daughter a lunch with plans for basically an afternoon adventure. They were headed to the zoo that day with a few other local nannies and kids that they were watching. But as Juliana started to leave the neighborhood around 7:00 a.m.,

• 9:22Payton Moreland?

  she noticed somebody pulling up to the house. It was a strange SUV that she didn't recognize. So immediately, she calls Brendan, the father, who was on his way to work at this point at 7:00 a.m. And she told him, hey, like, there's a strange SUV. I'm feeling uneasy about it. Like, you're on your way to work. Maybe you should turn around and head back to the house just to check out who this was that pulled up in this SUV. And then about an hour later, a call is placed to 911. And it is Brendan Banfield himself. On this phone call, he says he's a federal agent.

• 10:06Payton Moreland?

  There is a stranger in his home and he actually just shot him. He also says that stranger attacked his wife Christine with a knife. And she's barely hanging on.

• 10:22Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 10:23Payton Moreland?

  Now, within minutes, officers show up to the house with their weapons drawn because they don't know what they're facing. Is this an attack in progress? And when they get there, Juliana, the nanny directs the police upstairs to the bedroom. And there they find a very disturbing scene. Brendan has his wife in his arms and is trying to stop the bleeding from her neck because Christine has multiple stab wounds.

• 10:56Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, gosh. Okay.

• 10:57Payton Moreland?

  And in the corner of the bedroom is a man lying on their dog's bed. And he's also covered in blood from a gunshot wound to his head.

• 11:10Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 11:10Payton Moreland?

  So it's clear to first responders that there was definitely no saving this guy, the supposed intruder. But Christine is still breathing. So they rush her off to the hospital as well as Brendan, who's covered in his wife's blood and was just attempting, like was just holding her in his arms to try and stop the bleeding. And meanwhile, their four-year-old daughter is inside the house because nanny had come home and she heard everything.

• 11:42Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 11:44Payton Moreland?

  So it turns out, you know, Juliana, who saw this suspicious SUV and called Brendan, instead of going to the zoo, she actually rushed back home with the four-year-old daughter. When she figured out that this person was most likely an intruder because they weren't expecting anyone. And she goes back into the house and she puts the four-year-old in the basement with an iPad. And she kind of just stays there with her, trying to figure out who this random guy is that has pulled up to the house. She said eventually she crept upstairs to see what was going on. And that was when she heard what sounded like, quote, spanking coming from inside the house.

• 12:25Payton Moreland?

  It was around this time that Brendan came home and sees Juliana meets the nanny. And together they go upstairs towards what she had described as this spanking sound. And that was when they saw the stranger standing over Christine, the mom, with a knife. And he was stabbing her to death. So according to Juliana and Brendan, he grabs his work gun. He tells the stranger who is attacking the wife to drop his knife. And when he didn't, Brendan shot him.

• 13:04Payton Moreland?

  Juliana tells police, thank goodness Brendan was only at the McDonald's grabbing breakfast nearby when it happened. If he had gotten any further to work, chances were Christine would have been dead before the paramedics even arrived. And who knows what the intruder might have done next because Juliana had turned around and brought the kid back home. So maybe they would have been next.

• 13:27Garrett Moreland?

  Okay. I don't know. This whole thing seems like a complete mess right now.

• 13:32Payton Moreland?

  Strange mess. Like, why are you bringing the daughter back home?

• 13:35Garrett Moreland?

  But I don't understand.

• 13:37Payton Moreland?

  Typically, when we have, you know, first stories like this, they don't always make sense.

• 13:43Garrett Moreland?

  Yes.

• 13:43Payton Moreland?

  Now, meanwhile, officers questioned Brendan as he's on his way to the hospital in a separate ambulance. And he keeps asking when he'll be able to see his wife and daughter. But shortly after arriving at the hospital, a doctor comes in to deliver him some news.

• 14:03Speaker 04

  Hello, sir. My name is Gina, one of the doctors here. Your wife has died.

• 14:11Payton Moreland?

  Christine, his wife, had not survived her stabbing injuries.

• 14:17Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 14:17Payton Moreland?

  She was declared dead almost immediately upon arrival. And now police have a double homicide on their hands because they have the supposed intruder who was shot dead and Christine, who was supposedly stabbed to death by him. The question is, who is responsible for what? What actually happened in that house? What is the story? All right, you guys, we are getting into an ad and it is Fabletics. I don't know about you, but when I am shopping and there are pieces that already go together, it makes my life so much easier.

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• 16:27Payton Moreland?

  And honestly, there are three things I'd wish I had known before I even started trying. And it's number one, you are supposed to start taking a prenatal, like six to 12 months before you're even trying to get pregnant. Your body just needs that runway. Number two, your body needs completely different support in your first trimester versus your third. So this idea of just like a generic prenatal that you take the whole time, uh, kind of old school doesn't make sense. And number three, the one that got me the most is prenatal vitamins are basically unregulated. So yeah, I'm currently pregnant and all of this is why I landed on Parallel as my prenatal.

• 17:12Payton Moreland?

  I love Parallel. Every trimester is different. You're getting different things. So if you're pregnant, trying or postpartum, you need to check out Parallel. I cannot recommend it enough. So new customers can use code HUSBAND and get 20% off your first order at parallelhealth.com/husband. That is parallel, spelled P E R E L E L, health.com/husband. Right now to get 20% off your first order. Go check it out. Well, once Juliana, the nanny is down at the station for further questioning, officers start to get a clearer picture of this family and just their dynamics in general.

• 17:53Payton Moreland?

  Juliana tells them that they were just a traditional all-American family. They were super nice and professional, seemingly no secrets to hide. And she also tells them a little more about the chaos that had unfolded that morning. She said Brendan tried to coax the intruder to drop the knife. And the guy was arguing back with him to drop the gun. And shortly after all the yelling escalated, Brendan fired his shot. But here's where things get interesting. This, again, this is according to Juliana talking to police now in, like at the police station officially.

• 18:34Payton Moreland?

  Brendan ran over to help Christine just as Juliana noticed something. The intruder was still moving. So she then says she grabbed the gun and actually fired one more shot. Now ending the intruder's life.

• 18:57Garrett Moreland?

  It's so interesting how, I mean, there's obviously something suspicious going on. Duh. But you think if you're going to kill someone or you're going to do something insane, you would have a plan in your head of exactly what you're going to say and how everything is going to go. Like when the police come, you know? But people never do. Never. And the story always changes like 30 times. I don't know. It's just, yeah.

• 19:24Payton Moreland?

  And it's one of those things that like makes you wonder, how do you just kill someone in the heat of the moment? That if something is pre-planned, how does it still end up so messy?

• 19:35Garrett Moreland?

  Yes. I think that's what I'm trying to say is there's times where it is premeditated or pre-planned and it is still just an absolute mess.

• 19:44Payton Moreland?

  And I think it just goes to show that like even something as intense as murder, not every single person is Dexter. You know what I mean? Like.

• 19:55Garrett Moreland?

  I mean, no one is basically.

• 19:57Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 19:58Garrett Moreland?

  I think you have your exceptions with a couple of serial killers out there.

• 20:01Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 20:02Garrett Moreland?

  But other than that.

• 20:04Payton Moreland?

  Yeah. It actually reminds me of the case that we currently, this week, I was just watching the trial of the Caleb Flynn case. Uh, he was accused and then charged and then convicted of murdering his wife.

• 20:22Garrett Moreland?

  I saw you watching that. Yes.

• 20:23Payton Moreland?

  And, you know, according to most people, the evidence they had was the fact that for years leading up, he had talked about wanting to hurt his wife, wanting to get rid of his wife, wanting, you know, not just to divorce her, but like for her to be gone. And then the evidence from the actual night in question is so messy and obvious.

• 20:46Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 20:47Payton Moreland?

  And it's like, if you've been thinking about this for over a year, if you've been even talking about this, how do you then just create such a trail? And that's kind of what feels like is going on in our case right now. Like, why is this story so messy? You both touched the gun? And I'm not saying this is pre-planned, but again, when you come in with a story and it's just this messy, it is hard to know what to believe, what's true, what's not. So basically Juliana is now telling police like, yeah, I shot him as well. I was actually the one that ended his life.

• 21:26Payton Moreland?

  Now, all told, Juliana's statements actually take nine hours at the station for investigators to collect. And Brendan, on the other hand, back at the hospital, just learning his wife has died, declines to speak with police again. And so now the detectives are left to piece together this situation, start to finish, including the biggest question, who is this intruder? And what did he want? Now, on its face, it does kind of feel like maybe a classic home invasion, right? This guy showed up to rob the home, turns out Christine is home while he's attacking her. Juliana had noticed his arrival, showed back up, was in the house waiting for Brendan

• 22:11Payton Moreland?

  to come home, and then they both just go up and happen to find him attacking the wife. But there seems to be a sexual component I haven't told you about yet because

• 22:23Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 22:23Payton Moreland?

  The intruder had left behind a backpack with a chain and padlocks, electrical tape, a gag, some lubricant. And on top of that, there are also things that feel weird to them. That's like a not a normal thing to bring to a random home invasion. And also the time of day. Why would someone try to break in and assault a woman early in the morning when neighbors are literally all out leaving for work? I mean, the nanny herself spotted him. Someone could have easily heard or spotted something on their own way out of their home. But thankfully, there is one really big clue and it's parked right outside the Banfield's

• 23:05Payton Moreland?

  house, and that is the intruder's car, the SUV. Between running his plates and a few other methods, they find out this man's identity. And they discover him as 39-year-old Joseph Ryan.

• 23:22Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 23:23Payton Moreland?

  39-year-old Joseph Ryan is a man with no rap sheet, who lived 20 miles away with his elderly grandmother. So when police figure this out, they're like, who the heck is this guy? Detectives start chatting to some of Joseph's family and friends who don't know his connection to the Banfields. Instead of just like immediately arresting him, they want to kind of get an idea of what they're working with. And a few of his friends and family do hint at something interesting. Joseph was apparently into live action role-playing. So to determine more, investigators actually get a hold of his cellphone records.

• 24:08Garrett Moreland?

  Live action role-playing.

• 24:09Payton Moreland?

  And that is when things come into focus. Keep in mind, this is before they've even closed in on Joseph Ryan. They are just like, we're going to figure out who he is before we even confront him. Joseph had a profile.

• 24:21Garrett Moreland?

  Nothing wrong with it. You do you. Doesn't bother me.

• 24:24Payton Moreland?

  For live action role-play?

• 24:25Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 24:26Payton Moreland?

  For LARPing?

• 24:28Garrett Moreland?

  Oh. I thought you meant like sexually.

• 24:31Payton Moreland?

  Oh, we're about to get there.

• 24:32Garrett Moreland?

  Oh.

• 24:33Payton Moreland?

  But to his friends and family, it was just LARPing.

• 24:35Garrett Moreland?

  Ah, I see. Okay.

• 24:37Payton Moreland?

  When police get into his cellphone records, they discover Joseph had a profile on a website called FetLife. We've actually talked about this website before on the show, but FetLife was basically for people to find other people that shared their specific fetishes. And when they look at his usage on this website, they discover that in the months before his death, Joseph had been talking with another user on FetLife named Anastasia9.

• 25:10Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 25:11Payton Moreland?

  The profile picture showed a woman in a bathing suit. The police notice looks a lot like Christine Banfield, the victim.

• 25:24Garrett Moreland?

  Interesting.

• 25:25Payton Moreland?

  And it's because it was. So when police are digging into Joseph Ryan.

• 25:31Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, no.

• 25:33Payton Moreland?

  It appeared Christine and Joseph had been chatting a lot on FetLife about one shared fantasy. And that fantasy was a violent sexual assault. She basically had a fantasy of a man breaking into her home and having his way with her. That's what these messages are talking about on FetLife. According to the messages.

• 26:03Garrett Moreland?

  Okay, I don't know. I don't know how I feel about that yet, so give me a second to think about it.

• 26:09Payton Moreland?

  They communicate via FetLife, and they put together an elaborate plan on exactly how this type of role-playing would happen. They decided on a date, and she said she would make sure the front door to the house was unlocked for him to come in. She'd be waiting for him up in her bedroom, asleep. And so when police discovered this, they're like, okay, maybe this story we've been told is true. Like, maybe nanny and dad did just come in and stumble upon this secret life, and it was a sexual fantasy gone wrong.

• 26:51Payton Moreland?

  So they still had to confirm one thing, though. Was it really Christine behind the Anastasia profile?

• 27:01Garrett Moreland?

  That's actually, I wouldn't have, I would not have thought of that.

• 27:04Payton Moreland?

  They're like.

• 27:04Garrett Moreland?

  That's a good question.

• 27:05Payton Moreland?

  They're using her picture, but is it Christine that he was communicating with? So this is when they start digging into her devices a little bit more. And they find messages were sent from her cellphone to his account in the days and weeks before both of their deaths. But what's strange is this, there's nothing else like it on her devices, just the messages. There is no other visits to fetish sites. There is no indication she had been cheating, no sign of even promiscuous behavior, or

• 27:48Payton Moreland?

  really internet searches at all. And when her friends and family are asked about this, did you know, is, does Christine have a secret life, maybe like a fetish life, something sexual? They're all like, no, this doesn't even, this doesn't make sense. They all say, it doesn't sound like something Christine would be interested in.

• 28:08Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, I feel like the biggest red flag isn't that her friends and family don't know anything, it's that there's no search history, there's no messages, like there's absolutely nothing.

• 28:19Payton Moreland?

  Typically, when someone has a secret life.

• 28:21Garrett Moreland?

  There's, there's some sort of trail.

• 28:23Payton Moreland?

  Yeah. And I will say, most people do keep their fetishes to themselves, like Garrett just said, it's, it's, live somewhere. It's apparent somewhere.

• 28:33Garrett Moreland?

  It's got to be somewhere.

• 28:33Payton Moreland?

  But the only thing they can find are the messages in between the two. And honestly, police are like, we kind of think the, this violent sexual assault fantasy, if this is what you're saying she was discussing on FetLife, this specific fetish itself of violent sexual assault also seems very unlikely and a bridge too far because, as we know, Christine had worked with and been an advocate for people who actually had been sexually assaulted in their past. And so they're like, okay, say she was on FetLife and you guys found her, the specific fetish she's talking about doesn't line up. Like, it seems even more improbable. That's not who Christine was.

• 29:17Payton Moreland?

  And the more detectives looked into it, the more they realized, it didn't really sound like Joseph Ryan either, the supposed intruder. Yes, he was someone who met up with women he talked to on fetish websites, but when detectives tracked some of these other women down and spoke to them, they said, no, he was always very considerate on how he went about it. There was always very clear boundaries. Like, this was definitely two adults having a consenting experience. They said he never once stepped out of line or did anything that made any of them feel uncomfortable. It was always just what they had agreed upon.

• 29:58Payton Moreland?

  So it's these little things that detectives feel aren't making sense, including some of the messages and the ways they were worded. For example, they found things that were oddly phrased, like in one of the messages, Christine is asking Joseph, quote, "How has been your experience on this site?" Now, this could just be a typo. But police know what investigation they're working on and they think it also kinda sounds like someone who

• 30:29Garrett Moreland?

  might not know

• 30:31Payton Moreland?

  English as their first language. So investigators are now, they're just keeping everything, they're, they're, they're keeping everything on the table and they are now questioning some parts of not just Juliana, but Brendan's story as well.

• 30:49Garrett Moreland?

  It's actually interesting because that is a very common mistake to make.

• 30:56Payton Moreland?

  When English isn't.

• 30:57Garrett Moreland?

  Yes, when learning another language, like the way that was typed or said is very, very common.

• 31:01Payton Moreland?

  Yes, a hundred percent. And I know at the beginning, listening to this episode, you were like, the moments before this attack don't make any sense. Same with police. Okay? On top of learning all of this, they've known from the very beginning that the moments surrounding the attack at the house didn't make much sense. According to the survivors, Brendan had told Joe Ryan to drop the knife several times. And when he didn't, he shot him with the gun. But as the old saying goes, you don't bring a knife to a gunfight. So why wouldn't Joe have dropped the knife when he saw a gun literally pointed at him? And this was just one detail that maybe didn't make much sense. There was also a discrepancy

• 31:43Payton Moreland?

  with the 911 calls that were placed from the house that day because I told you there was one from the husband, but there wasn't just one. There was actually two 911 calls that morning. One of them was placed 13 minutes before Brendan called 911 and told them about the intruder he'd just shot in his home. And during that first 911 call, operators said no one spoke, which is why I didn't bring it up because are we sure it's tied to the case? But they could hear a man moaning in the background of this 911 call like he was

• 32:23Payton Moreland?

  in pain. And then after a few seconds, the person hung up. They discover later on that this 911 call was made from Juliana's phone.

• 32:35Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 32:35Payton Moreland?

  So if someone was injured at that point, someone's moaning, why didn't she say so on the 911 call? And why did it then take another 13 minutes for the husband to call 911 and ask for first responders if someone was already in pain 13 minutes earlier? What was happening during that 13 minute period of time between someone moaning on a 911 call and then the husband calling back and saying, I just shot someone? Police also said they found something odd at the scene of the crime itself. And it was the positioning of Joe's body. Remember, he was lying on the couple's dog bed in their room, but with

• 33:17Payton Moreland?

  his arms crossed over his chest, like he was lying in a casket. That's how he was found. And when investigators even first stumbled on this, they're like, that doesn't feel like a natural position someone would die in. Like, it looks like he's been moved over there or staged. But at the time, none of this was definitive proof of anything. There were still these text messages between Joe Ryan and Christine. This seemed to indicate something was definitely going on behind the scenes between the two of them that maybe Brendan wasn't aware of.

• 33:53Garrett Moreland?

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• 33:58Payton Moreland?

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• 34:43Payton Moreland?

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• 35:55Payton Moreland?

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• 36:36Payton Moreland?

  and it helps support the show. SimpliSafe, ahead of crime and in real time. Though Brendan's behavior after the crime doesn't really show a widow in mourning. Again, we're not putting too much weight in it, but a few months after his wife's death, Brendan was still living in the house with the four-year-old and he didn't seem to have any plans to get him or his daughter out of the house. Keep in mind, the daughter was in the basement this entire time. She was there at the time of these deaths. Plus detectives had been keeping a close eye on Juliana and Brendan's social media activity, obviously because their stories were just a little weird. And they noticed that Juliana, the nanny, had been posting

• 37:18Payton Moreland?

  some pictures of her and a new love interest on social media, but she's never showing his face. She's always covering this guy's face with a giant emoji.

• 37:28Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 37:29Payton Moreland?

  But the pictures

• 37:30Garrett Moreland?

  That's funny.

• 37:30Payton Moreland?

  show them out to dinner together, clubs, in the bathtub together. It's very intimate. She's posting intimate things. And detectives are zooming in on these pictures and they're like, wait a minute, we know that bathtub. This is the bathtub inside the Banfield's home. Footsteps from where Brendan's wife died. Now, keep in mind, she lives there. She definitely could be taking her love interest up to the bathtub in the primary bedroom and getting in the bath with him and taking pictures. But then they're also like, is there something else going on here? Is the man behind that emoji actually Brendan Banfield himself?

• 38:13Garrett Moreland?

  Wait, what?

• 38:14Payton Moreland?

  As in nanny and husband are now dating.

• 38:17Garrett Moreland?

  No, yeah, yeah. Sorry. I was on a different world. Oh, a hundred percent.

• 38:21Payton Moreland?

  So in October of 2023,

• 38:23Garrett Moreland?

  Also, sorry to interrupt. I feel like that happens a lot.

• 38:26Payton Moreland?

  A nanny dating a husband?

• 38:28Garrett Moreland?

  Like an au pair or nanny, like dating a husband. I feel like that happens a lot.

• 38:32Payton Moreland?

  You know what doesn't happen a lot? Both the nanny and husband shooting a guy with the same gun.

• 38:37Garrett Moreland?

  This is true. This is true.

• 38:38Payton Moreland?

  And the wife and a random guy dying in the primary bedroom. Now, eight months after Christine and Joe's death, investigators get themselves another search warrant for the Banfield's home because they're like, something's going on here. And almost immediately, their suspicions are confirmed. I mean, first, his wife ends up murdered and the people that murdered him are now dating in the same house where they were murdered. It's just weird. When they go to the house, they quickly discover that Juliana had moved into the primary bedroom with Brendan. There's a framed photo of the two of them on the nightstand

• 39:17Payton Moreland?

  looking romantic, looking cuddly. All of Juliana's clothes are now in Christine's closet. They find Juliana's lingerie scattered around the bedroom.

• 39:28Garrett Moreland?

  This is a mess.

• 39:30Payton Moreland?

  And when they go back to this crime scene after eight months, they find that every single hint of Christine has been erased from this house.

• 39:40Garrett Moreland?

  Oh my gosh.

• 39:41Payton Moreland?

  There is not a single photo

• 39:43Garrett Moreland?

  What's wrong with people?

• 39:44Payton Moreland?

  of her. There's nothing, no evidence that she ever even existed in this home. Now the detectives have enough to get an arrest warrant, but they only get one for Juliana at first. And here's why. Her visa was about to expire. And if she went back to Brazil, that's a problem because Brazil's constitution prohibits them from extraditing their own citizens in most circumstances.

• 40:10Garrett Moreland?

  Interesting.

• 40:10Payton Moreland?

  So they're like, should we be making this arrest right now? We maybe should be waiting for some more hard evidence, but we're going to get her before she flees. But Brendan, they want to keep building a good case against him. And they actually are like, maybe Juliana's the perfect way to do that. So on October 19th, she's arrested and charged with second degree murder for firing the fatal shot that killed Joseph Ryan, according to her own story, her own words. And she's also charged with a firearm offense, but she's not caving under the pressure of law enforcement like they had hoped. She holds firm and refuses to

• 40:49Payton Moreland?

  talk to authorities for an entire year. And that entire year, Juliana sits in a jail cell waiting for her trial. And she's held without bail because authorities are too afraid she's going to run to Brazil. Like obviously, when you see these bail hearings, they're like, oh, my client's not a flight risk. Let them out. Okay. She's very clearly a flight risk. So she ends up sitting in jail. But it turns out, a big reason why she might have been keeping her mouth shut was because at this point Brendan's mother was helping to pay for everything. She was wiring Juliana money for phone calls, commissary. She was

• 41:33Payton Moreland?

  the one paying for her attorney. So at this point, it's very clear that Juliana, the nanny has a loyalty to Brendan and his family. They are even taking care of her while she's in jail. But as Juliana's court date approached, there was another update to the story. And it's that Brendan Banfield was now also arrested for murder as well. And the final nail in his coffin that people had been waiting for this whole year, a blood spatter analyst

• 42:01Garrett Moreland?

  No way.

• 42:02Payton Moreland?

  who had seen crime scene photos as well as photos of Brendan right after the attack. And this expert found something on his arm, like little blood droplets that would have only gotten there from wielding a bloody knife, not a gun. They're like, that's not gun blood spatter. Making the prosecution feel pretty confident that Brendan was actually the one who stabbed his wife to death, not Joe Ryan. And Juliana was maybe in charge of taking Joe Ryan out. So almost 19 months after his wife's death, Brendan's pulled over in his vehicle and taken into custody for the double homicide. He's charged with two

• 42:44Payton Moreland?

  counts of aggravated murder as well as child abuse and child cruelty for allowing his daughter to literally be in the home at the time he was allegedly committing the murders. So now hearing that her boyfriend is about to face trial as well, Juliana's attorneys are looking out for her best interests. They're like, hey, you're no longer alone in this. It's possible. He's going to try and pin this entire thing on you. So he gets a plea deal first. Maybe you should take a plea deal first.

• 43:15Garrett Moreland?

  I'm curious what deal they offer her.

• 43:18Payton Moreland?

  They offer her the lesser crime of manslaughter if she agrees to tell the truth and testify against Brendan.

• 43:28Garrett Moreland?

  Which is interesting because hmm.

• 43:31Payton Moreland?

  It definitely feels like a teamed up.

• 43:34Garrett Moreland?

  Definitely feels like a teamed up, but was she the one who even killed?

• 43:38Payton Moreland?

  Right?

• 43:38Garrett Moreland?

  Is what I'm wondering.

• 43:39Payton Moreland?

  We don't even know at this point. We don't even know the truth.

• 43:42Garrett Moreland?

  That's what I'm, that's what I'm curious of.

• 43:44Payton Moreland?

  It's easy to think that, you know, she was in charge of getting on the site, pretending to be Christine, luring Joseph Ryan there. Brendan was a hundred percent in on it. They were in wait. I mean, it's easy to see that, but they also need some more evidence. The prosecution says, if you do this, if you testify against Brendan and tell the truth, we will actually recommend that you be sentenced to time served.

• 44:13Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 44:14Payton Moreland?

  She's basically been in prison for

• 44:17Garrett Moreland?

  Over a year.

• 44:18Payton Moreland?

  Yeah. So she agrees. Obviously, that's an amazing deal. And that's when all of the missing pieces of the puzzle maybe sort of start to fall into place. Here's, according to her, now fully telling the truth, how things went down. According to Juliana's testimony, she moved in with the family and started nannying for them around October of 2021. Remember, the murders happened in 2023. The affair between her and Brendan, though, started about 10 months later. So just 10 months after working for the family, they began an affair in August of 2022, and things quickly escalated between the two

• 45:00Payton Moreland?

  of them. Juliana said that Brendan began telling her he wanted to marry her and have his own children with her, but there's a problem. He doesn't want to get a divorce because Christine would get more money than he did. And he didn't want to share custody of their four-year-old daughter, which sounds actually insane, but why does this keep popping up over and over again in like spousal murder?

• 45:27Garrett Moreland?

  I mean, it's, I feel like it's very common. I mean, even if you look at like divorce, yeah, like money's usually one of the number one reasons. So it doesn't shock me too much, you know?

• 45:38Payton Moreland?

  Guys, let me just be the first to tell you, you're not going to get away with murder in the midst of a divorce with an affair partner. So let's stop trying.

• 45:48Garrett Moreland?

  You're not, nope, not gonna happen.

• 45:49Payton Moreland?

  Man or women, let's just stop trying.

• 45:52Garrett Moreland?

  Yep.

• 45:53Payton Moreland?

  Um, I want to be clear. This wasn't some sweeping once in a lifetime romance between Brendan and Juliana. Like, oh my gosh, I've met my soulmate. Brendan had cheated on Christine before. One of those affair partners actually came forward during the investigation to say she and Brendan had a year-long romance before they even hired this nanny while he was married to Christine. In fact, police discover he had actually been searching for it. This previous affair partner said they met on a sugar baby website and that after a few

• 46:28Garrett Moreland?

  Wait, sorry. What's a sugar? I know, I know a sugar daddy. It was a sugar baby.

• 46:32Payton Moreland?

  It's the same thing, but basically instead of like a girl looking for a sugar daddy, a guy can look for a sugar baby.

• 46:39Garrett Moreland?

  The guy's looking for a girl that

• 46:41Payton Moreland?

  is younger than him to take care of.

• 46:42Garrett Moreland?

  Baby. Oh, got it. Okay.

• 46:44Payton Moreland?

  But it can also be an older woman looking for a younger guy to take care of, or just a guy to take care of in general. It can be either or. But in this specific situation, Brendan was on a website while married to Christine before the nanny, looking for a girl to take care of to be his sugar baby.

• 47:03Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 47:04Payton Moreland?

  She said after a few meetings, he would invite her back to the house he shared with Christine while she was working odd hours at the hospital, saving lives, mind you. She said they would have sex there while the wife was away. But the affair partner also said he would do these super intense cleanups after she left, which she called his quote, CSI sweep. She's like, he would like clean up everything to make sure that we weren't caught. And according to this witness, Brendan had said to her at least once that things would be a lot easier if quote, his wife was just out of the picture. And obviously, a similar sentiment was shared with Juliana once their affair took off. The difference

• 47:48Payton Moreland?

  was Juliana, I guess, was actually willing to help him entertain this. Apparently, the discussion turned into a serious plan a month or two into them dating. That was a while before the murders actually happened. Brendan was in New York for what I imagine was work and Juliana actually went with him. And it was there that he told her he didn't want Christine in their lives anymore. She was a terrible mother. She was lazy. She wasn't doing her job as a wife. And a plan started to take shape. Brendan created a fake profile on FetLife, the fetish website, and pretended to be Christine. Eventually Juliana started helping with it too, like keeping up with the communications. They would steal Christine's phone.

• 48:33Garrett Moreland?

  This is nuts.

• 48:34Payton Moreland?

  While she was asleep, because keep in mind, nanny lives in the house.

• 48:38Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 48:39Payton Moreland?

  So typically the affair partner

• 48:42Payton Moreland?

  Most, maybe they don't even know each other or they don't know what's going on. But nanny lives at home. So as soon as Christine goes to sleep, they can sneak around the house, literally. And that's what they're doing. They steal her phone while she is sleeping. They log on to it, or they log on through her laptop when she's not looking. And together, they would swipe through her matches for this account they had created on FetLife for her.

• 49:09Garrett Moreland?

  This is diabolical.

• 49:11Payton Moreland?

  Message with people looking for the perfect fall guy for Brendan's plan. The idea was this, find someone to match with Christine and stage what would look like a home break in type sexual assault fantasy. And that's how they came across 39 year old Joseph Ryan, who had no idea he was about to become collateral damage in this sadistic plan. Over the next few months, they actually build a relationship with Joseph pretending to be Christine, both of them, making him feel comfortable that their meetup would fit in the boundaries of consent, would be safe. It would be two adults just wanting to do something they had wanted to do.

• 49:50Payton Moreland?

  And meanwhile, January 2023, a month before the murder, Brendan goes out and he buys a gun for Juliana. He then trained her at a local gun range in anticipation of the day that Joseph would finally come over to the house and they would execute their plan.

• 50:08Garrett Moreland?

  It's just stuff like this, like, oh, they just happened to buy a gun two weeks before this person died? Like, come on.

• 50:15Payton Moreland?

  Also, they both trade in their cell phones and get new ones, hoping that it would conceal any digital evidence of like the planning up until this point.

• 50:23Garrett Moreland?

  Idiots.

• 50:24Payton Moreland?

  Brendan even made sure none of his neighbors had doorbell cameras and he went as far as to soundproof his home before this attack. They then set the date between Christine and Joseph, February 24th, 2023. That day, Joseph believed he was finally gonna be able to meet this woman he had been connecting with online, Christine Banfield. He was gonna follow her instructions, sneak into the house, play out a fantasy they'd been talking about. In his mind, it was consensual role playing, no violence would occur. But unfortunately, as we know, that's not how things went down. Juliana left the house that morning, pretending like she was gonna take the daughter to the zoo while Brendan left for work. Instead, he stops at a local McDonald's to wait for

• 51:09Payton Moreland?

  the phone call, as Juliana parked further down the block to wait for Joseph Ryan to arrive. First, she called Christine to feign some sort of concern. So she literally calls Christine as well. And then she called Brendan, who begins rushing back to the house to play the hero. Now you understand why she didn't just go to the zoo and why she also turned around and went back with the daughter despite the fact her being like, I think someone's breaking into the house.

• 51:40Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 51:41Payton Moreland?

  Now, when Brendan got there, he found a terrified Christine and a more than surprised Joseph, who likely at this point is realizing he's been set up. Like Christine is not in on what's going on, which is absolutely devastating because she's probably terrified. And then when Joseph sees Brendan come up the stairs and Christine yelling at Brendan that, oh my gosh, this man's attacking me. He has a knife. Joseph turns to him with a completely shocked expression like, no, no, no, no, no. Like this is planned. We've, we've talked about this, me and her, we've agreed. And that was when Brendan shot him in the head.

• 52:20Garrett Moreland?

  Um.

• 52:21Payton Moreland?

  Um, and then Brendan turned to the real target, his wife, who keep in mind is at this point thinking that her husband just showed up and is the hero who just saved her life.

• 52:33Garrett Moreland?

  Oh my gosh.

• 52:35Payton Moreland?

  From this attacker. But now he's gonna turn around with a knife and start attacking her. He gets on top of Christine. He get, begins using the knife Joseph brought for their role playing and he stabs her to death.

• 52:47Garrett Moreland?

  Oh my gosh.

• 52:49Payton Moreland?

  Juliana says, this is when she called 911 the first time, but as she's calling 911 because they're trying to work fast, she realizes Joseph is still alive. He's still moving. So she hangs up, she grabs the gun and shoots the final shot into Joseph.

• 53:10Garrett Moreland?

  I can't believe they, they're doing this like it's, like it's, like it's nothing. Like they're just eating some food.

• 53:17Payton Moreland?

  According to Juliana, after both of them were dead, Brendan then started scooping handfuls of his wife's blood over onto Joseph's body to try to implicate him further, prove that he's the one who stabbed, all while his four year old daughter is in the basement with her iPad. And that's when they make the second 911 call that brings first responders to the house.

• 53:38Garrett Moreland?

  This is nuts.

• 53:39Payton Moreland?

  Now, after pleading guilty, Juliana is given the maximum sentence of 10 years behind bars with time served. So she does get extra time, but time served. And as promised, she becomes the star witness in the case against her boyfriend, Brendan Banfield. Which again, you guys, when you kill for an affair, it never works out. Like it, they never end up together still madly in love in prison, like Harley Quinn and the Joker. Like it just, it never is.

• 54:09Garrett Moreland?

  Yep.

• 54:09Payton Moreland?

  She tells the jury about the affair, Brendan's long well thought out, obviously not that thought out, plan to kill his wife. Brendan Banfield takes the stand in his own defense. He said Juliana wasn't being truthful. This was all a scheme she'd come up with. He loved his wife, though he had cheated on Christine before because women had come forward. He never wanted to leave her, not for Juliana, not for anyone else. He's like, no, this was an entire self-defense thing. And he returned to the house after Juliana called him to tell him about the intruder. He, he knew nothing, nor did he plan to ever kill his wife or Joseph. This must have just been Juliana setting this entire thing up. Obviously, marriage says otherwise.

• 54:50Payton Moreland?

  In February 2026, after his three week trial, the jury finds him guilty of all charges. This past June 2026, he received his sentence. And as the judge handed it down to him, she said, quote, "The level of cruelty, calculation, and inhumanity in this case reflects something far deeper than anger or impulse. It reflects evil, which is why I carry no burden and I find no hesitation in sentencing you to life." Christine Banfield never deserved any of this.

• 55:26Garrett Moreland?

  Wow.

• 55:27Payton Moreland?

  She especially didn't deserve for someone to tarnish her legacy after death because in the months, you know, in first into the investigation, it comes out about FetLife and people are thinking, wow, the nurse had this secret life and it turned bad. She was a nurse, a giver, a caretaker, someone who gave just as much to strangers as she did her own family. Her life wasn't a secret love affair. She wasn't cheating on her husband. There's nothing wrong with FetLife itself between two consenting adults. It's the fact that people thought she was doing this in secret and behind her husband's back, seeking out these quick hits of pleasure.

• 56:11Garrett Moreland?

  It makes me sick thinking of somebody who you've been married to, you love, that you're super close with killing you.

• 56:22Payton Moreland?

  I can't.

• 56:23Garrett Moreland?

  Like, it's pretty hard to fathom it, to be honest.

• 56:26Payton Moreland?

  It is. And also, again, in her final moment, she thought her husband was saving her from a deadly attacker.

• 56:33Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 56:35Payton Moreland?

  And again, on that note, neither was Joseph Ryan's life what they painted it out to be. He often becomes a one dimensional character in this story.

• 56:46Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 56:47Payton Moreland?

  While there wasn't much about Joseph's life out there to research, I could tell how loved and admired he was by the way his family spoke about him. And because Joe, as a victim, often gets lost in this story, I'm gonna let his mother have the last words. During her victim impact statements at Juliana sentencing hearing, she said this, quote, "When Joe was taken from me cruelly and callously murdered by Juliana and Brendan on February 24th, 2023, I lost so very much more than I can possibly name. I lost my confidant, someone who knew me deeply, listened without judgment, offered advice with my best

• 57:29Payton Moreland?

  interests at heart. I lost my biggest ally and my cheerleader, that empathetic voice saying, Mom, you've got this. Mom, you should be kinder to yourself. I lost my rock and protector, the person who flew down repeatedly to take care of me when I had cancer. And I lost the comfort of knowing that my son would be there to care for me when I'm an old woman." And that is the murders of Christine Banfield and Joseph Ryan.

• 58:01Garrett Moreland?

  I hate people. I really do. Like I, it's just, I don't know.

• 58:08Payton Moreland?

  And again.

• 58:09Garrett Moreland?

  I will never understand.

• 58:11Payton Moreland?

  It is the whole, not only were you murdered, you were murdered by your cheating husband because he's having an affair, or you were murdered by your cheating wife because she's having an affair. And instead of just divorcing you, they see you as having no value. They see you as such like useless space that they would rather kill you than just deal with the consequences of leaving you.

• 58:36Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 58:37Payton Moreland?

  And that's devastating.

• 58:38Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 58:39Payton Moreland?

  All right, you guys. Thank you for listening or watching today's episode. We will see you next time with another one. I love it.

• 58:47Garrett Moreland?

  And I hate it.

• 58:47Payton Moreland?

  Goodbye.

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