323. The Killer in the Bucket Hat

On this episode, Payton and Garrett explore the murder of Jon Tokuhara, a beloved acupuncturist whose death uncovered a web of secrets, lies, and betrayal. Links: Netflix Video Every Monday @11am PST, 12pm MST, 2pm EST 1pm CST https://www.netflix.com/murderwithmyhusband Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/murderwithmyhusband NEW MERCH LINK: https://mwmhshop.com Discount Codes: https://mailchi.mp/c6f48670aeac/oh-no-media-discount-codes Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/themwmh Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/into-the-dark/id1662304327 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36SDVKB2MEWpFGVs9kRgQ7?si=f5224c9fd99542a7 Case Sources: CBSNews.com - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jon-tokuhara-hawaii-acupuncturist-killed-cheated-multiple-women-defense-attorney-for-eric-thompson/ HawaiiTribune-Herald.com - https://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/2023/07/29/hawaii-news/murder-suspect-testifies-about-wifes-affair/ KHon2.com - https://www.khon2.com/hawaii-crime/eric-thompson-sentenced-to-life-with-parole/ People.com - https://people.com/where-is-eric-thompson-now-118232 HawaiiPublicRadio.org - https://www.hawaiipublicradio.org/local-news/2022-05-06/house-arrest-for-oahu-man-accused-of-killing-his-wifes-lover StarAdvertiser.com - https://www.staradvertiser.com/2025/06/27/breaking-news/eric-thompson-sentenced-to-life-for-killing-wifes-ex-lover/ HawaiiNewsNow.com - https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2022/02/16/police-suspect-murder-waipahu-acupuncturist-left-trail-clues/ NBCNews.com - https://www.nbcnews.com/dateline/in-the-news/dateline-full-episode-the-bucket-hat-mystery-rcna236342 KITV.com - https://www.kitv.com/news/loved-ones-of-acupuncturist-jon-tokuhara-relieved-after-guilty-verdict/article_e94c512c-f3f8-11ef-ac93-ef32e98f59bc.html LawAndCrime.com - https://lawandcrime.com/crime/not-a-homewrecker-man-who-murdered-wifes-acupuncturist-after-extramarital-affair-receives-his-fate/ MariettaTimes.com - https://www.mariettatimes.com/uncategorized/2023/07/murder-trial-defense-victim-cheated-with-multiple-women/ HappyScribe.com - https://podcasts.happyscribe.com/dateline-nbc/the-bucket-hat-mystery PeacockTV.com - https://www.peacocktv.com/watch/playback/vod/GMO_00000001008442_01/de717e18-3c12-3851-87cb-e1e8de4d511b?orig_ref=direct Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:15Payton Moreland?

  You're listening to an Ono Media Podcast. Hey everyone, welcome back to the podcast. This is Murder with my Husband. I'm Payton Moreland.

• 0:22Garrett Moreland?

  And I'm Garrett Moreland.

• 0:23Payton Moreland?

  And he's the husband.

• 0:24Garrett Moreland?

  And I'm the husband. Happy Monday. Welcome back, guys. Thank you for listening. Thank you for watching. Thank you for supporting. What have you been up to?

• 0:31Payton Moreland?

  I have a rash on my face.

• 0:33Garrett Moreland?

  A little rash on your face, yes.

• 0:35Payton Moreland?

  That's all I can think about.

• 0:37Garrett Moreland?

  Just a reminder, we have bonus content and ad free content on Apple, Spotify and Patreon. If you're interested, you can go check that out. But what I wanted to talk about for my 10 seconds is, so I've been drinking these, this isn't an ad, just letting everyone know. This is personal. I've been drinking these ginger lemon and like cayenne pepper shots because I've been working a lot and I really don't want to get sick. And I feel like everyone else around me is sick right now. So I've been drinking one of these a day and I feel like it's been helping, but it could just be placebo effect. So I'm curious if for anyone who knows a lot about like juicing and turmeric and ginger and all that stuff, does it actually help? Like, is it actually helping me or am I just drinking these for no reason? Because they burn.

• 1:22Garrett Moreland?

  Like, when you drink these things, they burn your throat. It's crazy. Anyways, yeah, that's my 10 seconds. I'm just curious. I never know what works and what doesn't work these days. So I feel like I always have to ask people. Yeah, I can do research into it, but I also want to hear about it from you guys.

• 1:37Payton Moreland?

  What a weird world we live in that you can't actually just like trust what the packaging says. Or like what the

• 1:45Garrett Moreland?

  Studies say? I mean, I

• 1:46Payton Moreland?

  I don't even think it's studies. Like you hear about things and then they're like, oh, we taking your supplements. And then a year later, they're like, most supplements don't even actually make it through your stomach. It's like, what?

• 1:57Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, I know. There's like, there's just so much research that goes into this stuff. Anyways, so does it work? I've been drinking it. I haven't gotten sick, so let me know. Daisy's been, so Daisy, I can't say this word out loud, so you guys are going to have to spell. We went to California for a few days and we were able to get away.

• 2:17Payton Moreland?

  For Gary's birthday.

• 2:18Garrett Moreland?

  My birthday. And we went to the P O O L. And she SW AM a lot.

• 2:27Garrett Moreland?

  And like a lot, but she's just been, I think she's depressed. She's been very sad the last couple of days since we've been back.

• 2:36Payton Moreland?

  And tired.

• 2:37Garrett Moreland?

  And tired. I think she's sad.

• 2:38Payton Moreland?

  She's such a little fake, cause I don't know if fake, but when we do the P O O L days, all day long.

• 2:46Garrett Moreland?

  All day.

• 2:48Payton Moreland?

  Going, going, never runs out of energy, but then sleeps all day. I'm like, well.

• 2:53Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah. And we get home and she's sleeping all day. I'm like, hmm.

• 2:56Payton Moreland?

  How does that work?

• 2:57Garrett Moreland?

  Like right now, just look at her sleeping.

• 2:59Payton Moreland?

  And then I think her muscles have to be so sore after those long days.

• 3:04Garrett Moreland?

  She's just tired.

• 3:05Payton Moreland?

  Cause it's not just the, it's not just the playing in the water. She runs, she get, gets out of the pool and runs like.

• 3:14Garrett Moreland?

  For like six, eight hours, just swimming, running, swimming, running, swimming, running.

• 3:19Payton Moreland?

  She's frantic.

• 3:20Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, crazy. Anyways, that's what I got. That's my 10 seconds. Let's hop into this week's episode.

• 3:29Payton Moreland?

  Okay. Our sources for this episode are CBSnews.com, Hawaii Tribune, Herald.com, K H O N two.com, HawaiiPublicRadio.org, StarAdvertising.com, HawaiiNewsNow.com, NBCNews.com, K I T V.com, LawandCrime.com, MariettaTimes.com, HappyScribe.com, and Peacock TV. Now, most people, when they think of Hawaii, they probably imagine crystal blue beaches, warm summer air on your skin, maybe a Mai Tai in front of a sunset. But if you've visited, you know Hawaii is so much more than that. The culture there is unlike anything

• 4:12Payton Moreland?

  else. It seems like everyone is always smiling, helpful, thoughtful, kind. In fact, they, they have a word for the energy and lifestyle. It's called the aloha spirit. But even in a place built on warmth and compassion.

• 4:30Payton Moreland?

  True crime still exists.

• 4:32Garrett Moreland?

  Do, sorry. Do we have any listeners from Hawaii?

• 4:34Payton Moreland?

  Probably.

• 4:36Garrett Moreland?

  Anyways, if you're listening from Hawaii, let us know.

• 4:39Payton Moreland?

  And how sad Hawaii is not exempt from our podcast. Cause it feels like it should be. So darkness can definitely still slip through because Hawaii, despite always being on island time, has real people with real problems and real secrets. Which is why today's story is a reminder that sometimes evil can strike in the places we least expect it to, even in paradise. So, based on that intro, you probably know where we're headed to today. We are headed to the state of Hawaii, the island of Oahu, to be exact. Where just northwest of Pearl Harbor lies the small community of Waipahu.

• 5:23Payton Moreland?

  And I, I did look up how to say these. I know the accent is probably not correct. I'm definitely saying it in a very American, like non Hawaii accent. But Waipahu.

• 5:36Garrett Moreland?

  Nice job, baby.

• 5:37Payton Moreland?

  Thanks.

• 5:38Garrett Moreland?

  You're welcome.

• 5:38Payton Moreland?

  Now Waipahu is a working class town with a lot of ancient history. A place where families have known each other for generations, where childhood friends stick with you for life. Where you refer to your neighbors as auntie and uncle. Where life definitely moves slow, but news spreads fast. And in a place like that, secrets, if you want to keep them, need to be protected with your life. And unfortunately, that was the price John Tokuhara paid to keep his secrets.

• 6:16Payton Moreland?

  In the year 2022, 47-year-old John was living in Waipahu, the place he had spent most of his life in Hawaii. And so everyone there knew John. They knew him as a good person. He had been like that ever since he was a little kid. He studied hard. He was extremely athletic. Baseball, surfing, fishing, volleyball, you name it. And in high school, he even led his volleyball team to a few championships. But like most young adults, John wanted to experience more of the world, or at least more of his country. So he ended up going to the mainland for college and studied at the University of Portland, where he got his degree in biology.

• 7:01Payton Moreland?

  And then after that, he actually earned a master's degree in Chinese medicine and acupuncture. Now, this master's degree wasn't exactly surprising to those who knew John. He'd always just had that calm, soft, protective spirit. The kind of guy who would volunteer his time to help veterans, who always wanted to make sure everyone was happy and comfortable. So after receiving his degree, John then returned back to Hawaii after spending six years away. He moves back and he opens up a small acupuncture studio in his hometown and became known locally as, quote, "the healer." Now, he had a modest operation.

• 7:45Payton Moreland?

  John was the only one who worked at this little clinic. And it also allowed him the freedom and flexibility to enjoy the little pleasures of life. He kept his canoe and surfboard at his acupuncture clinic and had no problem closing up early for a day at sea if a client canceled or rescheduled. So John loves being his own boss. He's in charge of his own destiny, free to come and go as he pleases, and doesn't have to answer to anyone. Which was probably why he chose to stay single for a while and never really settle down because he was just living this Hawaii dream life. But John didn't need a partner to feel fulfilled. He had a huge circle of friends.

• 8:29Payton Moreland?

  And there was always someone he was flirting with or just dating casually. Most women actually found John to be excessively charming. He had a huge smile, kind eyes. It was no wonder he had a lot of female clients. And one of his specialties in this field was actually fertility acupuncture. Now, a lot of women came to John specifically when they were trying to get pregnant.

• 8:56Payton Moreland?

  So all of this to say, John was one of a kind in Waipahu. And by 2022, he had firmly cemented himself, not just as the basically unofficial mayor, but as someone the town definitely relied on, someone they needed to feel safe, happy, healthy and balanced. So you can imagine how shocked and devastated everyone was when they heard about the events that came next in this story.

• 9:25Garrett Moreland?

  Okay, let's hear it.

• 9:26Payton Moreland?

  On the evening of January 12th, 2022, John closed up his shop after seeing his final client. He then texted a woman he had recently started dating, a local school teacher named Andy. And he tells her he had a bit more work and some phone calls to make. And this was at about 5:30 PM. And then a half hour later, John and his mother Lily also speak on the phone and she invites him over for dinner that night. Around 6:12 PM, she texts him asking if Andy, the, you know, friendly teacher, will be joining. And John responds to the text message and says, it's just gonna be me tonight.

• 10:11Payton Moreland?

  And then at 6:15, his mother Lily texts him back saying, okay. And her message is read, but there's no response after that. So now we have dinner plans cemented. She knows it's just John coming. He's read her message, good to go. But instead, an hour ticks by and then two. And it's now 8:34 PM and John hasn't made it to Lily's house for dinner yet. It's getting late. She's getting worried as his mother, so she texts him again and says, are you still at the office? No response. And this time, her message is left unread. So she sends another one at 9:32 PM saying, are you okay?

• 10:56Payton Moreland?

  The message is still unread.

• 10:58Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 10:59Payton Moreland?

  So when she wakes up the next morning and realizes her son still isn't answering his calls or texts, she decides to just go to his office to talk to him. So Lily heads over, she walks inside, and that's when she actually finds her son John lying on the floor.

• 11:19Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, no.

• 11:19Payton Moreland?

  In a pool of his own blood in his office. Lily barely musters a call to 911 and as soon as the police arrive, they know they definitely have a homicide case on their hands. And just keep in mind, this is shocking for everyone in this local area. This is not necessarily a big tourist area. It's very family oriented, home, smaller. So they're all like, oh no, our local healer has died. So there's three 22 caliber shell casings scattered around the clinic. And it appears John was shot while sitting in his office chair. And then from there fell onto the floor.

• 12:02Payton Moreland?

  Now there's no signs of a struggle or a fight of any kind. It doesn't even appear to be a robbery because nothing's been taken. In fact, there's about $3,900 in cash wrapped up and labeled with the word herbs in a backpack lying right under his desk, like next to his body. So if this was a robbery, that would have probably been taken. Now, an autopsy will later determine John was shot not once, but four times in the head. So this is definitely a targeted killing. It's personal. Now, before this story can even make its way to the headlines that day, all of Waipahu knows about it.

• 12:46Payton Moreland?

  Each person finds it more unbelievable than the next. How does someone so caring, so kind, so selfless end up as a murder victim? And as far as everyone knows, John was basically liked by everyone. His friends couldn't think of a single enemy. And if it wasn't a robbery, then what was this? Well, the police are just as baffled as John's friends and family are. They don't even know where to start when it comes to suspects. So they quickly turned to the public for help, asking if anyone saw anything? A suspicious vehicle in the area, a suspicious person, anything that seemed out of place.

• 13:28Payton Moreland?

  And meanwhile, flowers pile up outside of John's clinic. And the town holds a vigil for John, where pretty much every single person in Waipahu shows up to pay their respects. His surfer friends arrange something called a paddle out where hundreds go out on their boards to the ocean. They form a like processional ceremony and deliver John's ashes from the beach to the sea. People said, you would have thought John was a celebrity with how many people came out to mourn his loss. But for police, that also meant a lot more people demanding answers, wanting to know what had happened. So the pressure was on to solve this case.

• 14:13Payton Moreland?

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• 15:42Garrett Moreland?

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• 16:58Payton Moreland?

  And there were two big things about the crime scene that investigators couldn't stop thinking about from the beginning. First was that backpack filled with cash underneath the desk, the one labeled herbs. The second was John was wearing a surgical mask on his face when he was shot, the kind that we all wore during COVID. But why are you wearing a mask if you're in your office alone after hours? So this made police wonder, was John actually expecting someone? Was there supposed to be some sort of exchange or transaction that went sideways? Was he in debt to someone he was trying to repay? So detectives decided

• 17:43Payton Moreland?

  to look through his appointment book and they see there was nothing on the books for that night. His last client left the clinic at 5:30 PM. It was a woman named Kathy Ohama. So they call her in for questioning to see if she noticed anything strange, considering she's like the last known to see him that they know of. And she says John was acting normal at her appointment. He didn't seem nervous or depressed or irritable, just his same old self. So this is when they turned to Andy, John's new girlfriend, if you will. And while she herself has never seemed suspicious to them, they do learn something about her past. Andy had been dating someone named Daryl Fujita for years.

• 18:28Payton Moreland?

  And basically every time she and Daryl broke up, she would get together with John. And this was including after this most recent breakup. So this wasn't just a casual thing between Daryl and Andy. They actually had a house, they had a kid together. And John was her rebound, her in between. And Daryl knew about John.

• 18:48Garrett Moreland?

  I just have no, I have no idea right now, like no hints, nothing is kind of giving it away, so.

• 18:53Payton Moreland?

  So police called Daryl in for questioning, thinking, okay, maybe this is some sort of like jealousy thing. But throughout his interview, he keeps telling police, listen, yeah, this is our situation, but there's no bad blood between him and John. He didn't care that Andy would date him. So officers are like, hey, can we see your phone? He gives it to them, but he does a hard factory reset first. Now, obviously this makes him look suspicious, like what's he trying to hide? But also like he's probably could be one of the persons that's like, I deserve privacy. I don't know. So the police definitely have their eye on Daryl.

• 19:29Garrett Moreland?

  I mean, that's kind of weird, but.

• 19:31Payton Moreland?

  It's not enough for an arrest.

• 19:32Garrett Moreland?

  No.

• 19:33Payton Moreland?

  So they keep searching for evidence. They canvass the area around John's clinic, looking for any place that has some kind of security footage. And they post up for hours, watching all of the videos they gather, frame by frame, until eventually they actually see something of note. A person walking toward John's clinic on the day of his murder. They're standing on the other side of the street and just staring at his door. But what police find interesting is this person's outfit. They have sunglasses, a surgical mask, a heavy windbreaker jacket, and a white bucket hat, and they are carrying a brown paper bag.

• 20:19Payton Moreland?

  Now, they're in Hawaii. This is weird. It's a hot day. A heavy windbreaker doesn't make much sense, but still, this person is captured along multiple cameras in the area, kind of just wandering around. And he's seen there just four minutes before John stops responding to those texts to his mom.

• 20:40Garrett Moreland?

  Okay, that's kind of interesting.

• 20:41Payton Moreland?

  But the person is never seen walking through the front door of John's acupuncture clinic. Instead, he crosses the street, walks past the front door, and then turns left and heads down the street, almost like towards the back of the office building. But there's no cameras back there, so police have to assume he either went that way and left, or went that way and went in. And then shortly after 6:15 PM, the bucket hat figure reappears, headed in the opposite direction he came, after only disappearing behind that building for about a minute and a half.

• 21:18Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 21:19Payton Moreland?

  Now, police realize, like, this timeline does fit perfectly, and they feel pretty confident that whoever this person is, is now their number one suspect. They're pretty sure this person went behind the building, went in, and in a minute and a half, shot him and left. And they also see something critical happen on the security footage. The person's bucket hat actually flies off into the road as they're crossing the street, and they don't go back for it. It's almost like they don't even notice it, like, they notice it, but it's not a big deal to them. And instead, the hat just sits in the road for a bit, until what seems like an unhoused man walks by and picks it up. And then the footage shows the suspect walk back in the original direction they came.

• 22:04Payton Moreland?

  And that's when you realize why they maybe didn't even notice the hat fly off. And it's because underneath that hat, they were wearing some kind of ridiculous wig.

• 22:14Garrett Moreland?

  No way.

• 22:16Payton Moreland?

  Curly, almost like a clown wig.

• 22:19Garrett Moreland?

  Like the wig was stuck in the hat?

• 22:21Payton Moreland?

  Well, the hat came off the wig, but that's probably why they didn't even really like register.

• 22:25Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, I see what you're saying.

• 22:26Payton Moreland?

  They didn't feel it come off their actual head because there was that layer of disguise.

• 22:31Garrett Moreland?

  Uh huh.

• 22:32Payton Moreland?

  But two good things come from this footage as police continue to analyze it. First, they get a pretty good screenshot of the man who picked up the hat. So about 10 days later, they go to the area, they find a local encampment and they track down the man who picked up the hat. And shockingly, he still has this, it's balled up lying next to a cooler, which is tricky because the hope was they could test this hat for evidence, but now there's a possibility it's been touched by a dozen different people. Still, they take it and send it to the Honolulu Police Department's crime lab for testing. It's going to take a few weeks to get those results back though. So in the meantime, they keep looking over that footage. Just, this is their only lead, they're combing it, have they missed anything?

• 23:17Payton Moreland?

  And that's when they do see a specific white pickup truck, one that seems to arrive in the area before the alleged attacker comes on screen and then leaves pretty shortly after the man's hat flies off. Now unfortunately, they can't make out the driver in the truck to tell if it's the person and they aren't even able to get a license plate, but that doesn't stop them from calling in an expert, an expert who helps them identify the make and model, somewhere between a 2014 and 2016 white Chevy Silverado. And when they run this model through the local DMV's database, they find there's about

• 23:58Payton Moreland?

  53 of those vehicles registered in the area that could be a match.

• 24:03Garrett Moreland?

  I mean. That's not bad.

• 24:05Payton Moreland?

  No.

• 24:05Garrett Moreland?

  Honestly, that's not too bad. It might.

• 24:07Payton Moreland?

  It seems like a lot, but.

• 24:09Garrett Moreland?

  Like, could you imagine? Yeah, no, it seems like a lot. It's actually not. That's not too bad.

• 24:13Payton Moreland?

  You can comb through 53. So they start going through the owners one by one, looking to see if any of them even had a connection to the victim, John.

• 24:21Garrett Moreland?

  Because that's, that's the other thing. I mean, if the car stolen, then you're really out of luck.

• 24:25Payton Moreland?

  Right. But eventually they do narrow it down to one person, an owner. A man named Eric Thompson. So now let's figure out why Eric stood out to police. A little bit about 34 year old Eric, he was a local business owner of a place called Island Bath Works, which specialized in bathtub conversions for the elderly or those with special needs. He was a graduate of the University of Hawaii. He had married his high school sweetheart, Joyce. He had a young daughter and lived in a nice neighborhood just east of downtown Honolulu. Their home had a tennis court, rental units on site.

• 25:06Garrett Moreland?

  Dang, okay.

• 25:06Payton Moreland?

  Was a quick walk to the beach.

• 25:08Garrett Moreland?

  Making money, especially in Hawaii is so expensive, not just houses, everything. Like, everything there is extremely expensive.

• 25:18Payton Moreland?

  And the thing was, like, on the surface, no one who knew John had ever heard of Eric or Joyce Thompson before. So the connection doesn't make much sense, but the police feel differently because they are the ones who had access to John's phone and computers. And they had found something on there they weren't expecting. John actually had a private Instagram account his family didn't know about. And in that account, thousands of messages exchanged between John and Joyce Thompson. Messages that basically indicated an affair. Now Joyce is Eric's wife.

• 25:59Garrett Moreland?

  Got it.

• 26:00Payton Moreland?

  High school sweetheart, to be exact. So when they know this, when they know there's an alleged affair and then they're going through the pickup truck owners and they realize that Eric Joyce's husband owns one, they're like, yeah, duh, this is our number one suspect. Now, their affair seemed to start up around May of 2021 and lasted until about July of that year. And towards the end, Joyce had expressed fears of her husband finding out and she was the one who called things off.

• 26:28Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 26:29Payton Moreland?

  But here's how it played out from Eric's side of things, her husband. Before the birth of their daughter in 2020, Eric and Joyce were having a hard time trying to conceive. And after months of failed attempts and miscarriages, a friend recommended that Joyce go to see an acupuncturist on Wapahu, known as the healer. That's obviously John. Now, after several treatments with John, Joyce finally did get pregnant and they had their little girl in June of 2020. But Eric said Joyce struggled a bit emotionally after the birth of their daughter, so Joyce decided to return to John for more treatments, thinking it would help her postpartum.

• 27:12Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 27:13Payton Moreland?

  This isn't a secret, okay? Her husband Eric knows she's going, knows where she's going. But over time, there were little things Joyce was saying and doing that just felt strange. For example, there was one time when Joyce claimed some family friends were in town, but instead of getting a sitter and inviting him to come along, she asked Eric to watch their daughter while she goes out and sees the family friends. It was little things like this that started to make Eric question what Joyce was up to in her alone time, which was why he began keeping a closer eye on their home's security cameras. And after he returned home from a work trip and played them back one day, he saw that

• 27:55Payton Moreland?

  Joyce had actually left the house one night while he was away without telling him. And so that was when he felt for sure, okay, Joyce is sneaking around on me. So in July of 2021, Eric confronted her about it and she denies it for about two days and then finally she confesses to everything.

• 28:14Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 28:15Payton Moreland?

  And when Eric asked, okay, well, are you cheating with one of our family friends? She's like, no, it's with John, my acupuncturist.

• 28:23Garrett Moreland?

  So, I mean, I think I know where this is going, but...

• 28:26Payton Moreland?

  Eric's totally blindsided.

• 28:29Payton Moreland?

  Even stranger, Joyce tells her husband it was her sidekick that was encouraging her to have this affair.

• 28:37Garrett Moreland?

  What is up?

• 28:38Payton Moreland?

  Apparently Joyce consulted with sidekicks for a lot of her decision making.

• 28:43Garrett Moreland?

  That's nuts.

• 28:44Payton Moreland?

  And they were the ones who were like, yeah, step out of your marriage. Here's the green light.

• 28:49Garrett Moreland?

  You know, I hear this happen a lot.

• 28:52Payton Moreland?

  You gotta be careful with the sidekicks.

• 28:54Garrett Moreland?

  I hear this happen a lot.

• 28:55Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 28:56Garrett Moreland?

  It's crazy to me.

• 28:59Payton Moreland?

  And you know,

• 29:02Payton Moreland?

  you gotta have your own intuition, even if you fully trust in a sidekick. You have to because at the end of the day, you know you better than anyone.

• 29:12Garrett Moreland?

  A hundred, a hundred percent. Agreed.

• 29:14Payton Moreland?

  At least in your heart, you know?

• 29:18Garrett Moreland?

  Dude, I'd be so mad at that sidekick.

• 29:20Payton Moreland?

  And also like.

• 29:21Garrett Moreland?

  So mad, are you kidding me?

• 29:24Payton Moreland?

  Giving the green light for an affair is very different than giving the green light for a divorce. Like a sidekick being like, listen, I don't think this marriage is for you. You've tried everything. You don't want to be here.

• 29:36Garrett Moreland?

  I'm also on the side of

• 29:39Garrett Moreland?

  everyone just has to kind of experience and make decisions themselves at some point.

• 29:43Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 29:43Garrett Moreland?

  Like even if you're trying to tell a friend or someone like, hey, you shouldn't be dating this person or you shouldn't do that. Totally okay to do that. But I feel like decisions are never made until that person actually has an experience and makes a decision. Like I think it's pretty hard to actually convince someone to make a decision about something big in life like that. Like someone has to, someone has to do it themselves out of their own free will.

• 30:11Payton Moreland?

  Right.

• 30:12Garrett Moreland?

  Anyways, I don't know, just my thoughts.

• 30:14Payton Moreland?

  Cause oftentimes if they don't, they end up doing it wrong.

• 30:17Garrett Moreland?

  They regret it or they go back with the person. I mean, I don't know. There's so many, just, there's so many things.

• 30:22Payton Moreland?

  And this is hard because like, is, is a sidekick really different than like a friend, like a good trusted friend at this point who's like encouraging this bad behavior or?

• 30:34Garrett Moreland?

  Well, that depends how much you believe that the sidekick knows the future or not.

• 30:39Payton Moreland?

  True.

• 30:40Garrett Moreland?

  But I think that, I think there's variables there. Anyways.

• 30:44Payton Moreland?

  Listen, I know they say everything happens for a reason, but it's sometimes you really can't just leave. You know what I'm saying?

• 30:50Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 30:51Payton Moreland?

  Like, sometimes you really don't need that excuse. You can just not do it. Here's the thing. When Eric finally gets in front of the police, because police call him in, they're like, hey, you have this truck, you have this connection. He's like, listen, I had nothing to do with John's death. Eric said he was planning to work through the situation with his wife, like they were gonna work through it. They were gonna go to therapy, get the whole thing behind them. They agreed on signing a post marital agreement, which would give Eric everything, including the house and custody of their daughter, should their marriage come to an end, whether it was his fault or hers. Eric said he looked at the affair as a sign that he was falling short a bit in, as a partner in their marriage,

• 31:33Payton Moreland?

  and that he needed to be there more for Joyce, so she didn't feel like she was needing to seek attention. And Joyce claimed she didn't actually want to leave her husband either. She too wanted to work through it, which was why she had ended the affair. And Eric does tell police, like, yes, I'm very angry. Of course, I considered confronting John about the affair, but he says he never followed through. He just left it alone and focused on working on his marriage. Now, from October to December of that year, according to Joyce and Eric, things were looking up between the Thompsons. They were seen photographed together at several different holiday outings. Plus, Eric told police, no, I have an alibi for the night of January 12, 2022, the night John died.

• 32:18Payton Moreland?

  He said at around the time of John's death, which is pretty specific, considering the security footage. He was on the other side of the island, getting rid of some construction debris at a dump. And then at 9:54 PM, he went to Long's Drugs in a residential area of Honolulu to buy beer and eggs. And then after that, he went home.

• 32:38Garrett Moreland?

  A good alibi?

• 32:40Payton Moreland?

  He said he actually learned about John's death the following afternoon when Joyce received the call that John had been killed. But from what I could tell, police were actually never able to like fully corroborate Eric's whereabouts that night or find evidence to confirm his alibi. It's not like they could see his, you know.

• 32:59Garrett Moreland?

  That seems interesting, though. It seems like they could get the cameras from the.

• 33:03Payton Moreland?

  It feels like maybe there's not a lot of cameras in the area.

• 33:08Garrett Moreland?

  Hmm, okay.

• 33:09Payton Moreland?

  Like, there's definitely some, but maybe not as much as a large city, if you will. Which is why in early February, the police decide to search the Thompson's home for evidence. And not only did they see Eric's pickup truck, exactly like the one spotted in the footage around John's clinic, they also find a lot of guns in the Thompson's house, about 12 total, ton of ammunition. Some of it was 22 caliber. This is the same type that was found at the crime scene. However, none of the guns or bullets exactly matched the shell casings found at the scene. And when police confiscated and searched Eric's phone and computer, they didn't find a single text,

• 33:52Payton Moreland?

  call, email, search history, anything that was indicating he was planning to kill John.

• 33:58Garrett Moreland?

  Okay, so, all right, so if Eric didn't do it, who did it?

• 34:02Payton Moreland?

  Well, it gets even worse because there's no sign his phone ever traveled to Waipahu on the day in question. And there's no evidence that he tried to get in contact with John since the affair ended in July the year before. It looks like he really did just leave it alone.

• 34:16Garrett Moreland?

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• 37:04Payton Moreland?

  So basically, at this point, the only thing connecting Eric to the crime was a potential motive, an affair that had ended seven months ago. And then possibly his car on some footage.

• 37:16Garrett Moreland?

  Be extremely difficult to bring to court.

• 37:19Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 37:19Garrett Moreland?

  Extremely.

• 37:20Payton Moreland?

  Police realize at this point, they're like, either Eric is innocent or he's good at cleaning up his tracks. Like, we haven't found anything, but they still have that huge clue that needs to be analyzed. The bucket hat. Detectives are hoping they can find DNA from the hat that will prove their theory is correct.

• 37:36Garrett Moreland?

  I mean, I know it's, I guess, big evidence, but I still don't think that's like damning evidence.

• 37:43Payton Moreland?

  I mean, if you find DNA in a hat that you think the suspect was wearing, I don't know if it's like.

• 37:48Garrett Moreland?

  But how can you also prove that that was a.

• 37:50Payton Moreland?

  Smoking gun.

• 37:50Garrett Moreland?

  That that was a suspect.

• 37:52Payton Moreland?

  Right. I think it's really easy to argue for a defense team to be like, what if.

• 37:55Garrett Moreland?

  Like, it's just someone who doesn't.

• 37:57Payton Moreland?

  He picked it up and wore it later. What if he had it before that?

• 37:59Garrett Moreland?

  Correct. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

• 38:00Payton Moreland?

  Yes. The results finally do come back in 2022. Most of them are inconclusive.

• 38:06Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 38:06Payton Moreland?

  But there's two that said Eric could not be excluded as a contributor. Now, this is not definitive, not by a long shot, but it's enough for them to decide to get an arrest warrant for Eric. They're like, listen, we couldn't exclude you from the bucket hat. We think you have the most motive. Your truck does match the security footage. Like, we're gonna move forward.

• 38:29Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, to me, honestly, the, the part that's the most like criminalizing or damning is the, is the truck matching the security footage.

• 38:39Payton Moreland?

  Well, and you have a pretty clear cut motive. I mean, this is a motive we see time and time again in murder.

• 38:44Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, and we talk about it all the time. I mean, how many coincidences can there possibly be?

• 38:50Payton Moreland?

  Like, how can you be the guy your wife was, or how can this be the guy your wife was having an affair with?

• 38:56Garrett Moreland?

  And then the truck, and then now the hat. It's like.

• 38:59Payton Moreland?

  So, I mean, it does make sense why police are like, eh, we're gonna move forward with it, even though it's not great. And on Valentine's Day, 2022.

• 39:07Garrett Moreland?

  On Valentine's.

• 39:08Payton Moreland?

  On Eric and Joyce's fifth wedding anniversary, Eric is arrested and charged with murder. After posting his $1 million bail, Eric's allowed to go home. But he does have to be under house arrest after a prosecutor argues to the judge that his wealth makes him kind of a flight risk. Still, on April 22nd, 2022, he's indicted on charges of second degree murder.

• 39:34Garrett Moreland?

  Wow.

• 39:34Payton Moreland?

  And carrying or using a firearm. So Eric's trial begins in 2023.

• 39:41Garrett Moreland?

  Oof, okay, I'm going to say that, actually, you just go, just go.

• 39:46Payton Moreland?

  Okay, so I'm just gonna lay out quickly what each side presented at trial because there was obviously some stuff that wasn't in the initial investigation. So the defense makes a pretty interesting argument. They point out, hey, John had a quote, "track record of cheating." Joyce was not the first married woman he had slept with. Also, not the first client either. In fact, two other men whose wives had affairs with John were called to the stand. And the defense also pointed out that there were plenty of women that John had dated and then ghosted, who could have been angry. They're just pointing out possible motives for other people. There's other husbands who could have been mad. There's other women who could have been mad.

• 40:31Payton Moreland?

  And they also claimed John had a bit of a gambling addiction, which might have explained the money and the mask that was found at the crime scene. Perhaps he was planning on paying someone back that day. The defense's point was, listen, there might have been a lot of people who had motive to kill John. But the police zeroed in on Eric because of his truck. And the defense is like, they didn't really consider anyone else. But the prosecution brought something else up their sleeve to trial. They had security footage taken from a neighbor's camera pointed at the Thompson's home. Now, if you remember, he has his alibi. It's not like they could really track him at the dump.

• 41:11Payton Moreland?

  But this footage on the night of the murder shows Eric's truck leaving the house at 5:20 PM.

• 41:18Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 41:19Payton Moreland?

  This is about an hour before John was shot at the clinic. And he returns at 6:48 PM, just 30 minutes after the kill.

• 41:28Garrett Moreland?

  So here's the-

• 41:30Payton Moreland?

  Which doesn't match.

• 41:31Garrett Moreland?

  No.

• 41:32Payton Moreland?

  His original story.

• 41:33Garrett Moreland?

  It starts not matching someone's story. And red flags and oh, you lied.

• 41:39Payton Moreland?

  He didn't come around home till nine. They now have on neighbor's security footage. He is gone from the house in the time window that John is killed.

• 41:48Garrett Moreland?

  And how in court do you all of a sudden go, oh, well, actually, like, no.

• 41:53Payton Moreland?

  That's not the only thing interesting from that night. A little while later, the same neighbor catches, the camera catches a light flickering in the Thompson's backyard. It looks like a fire or a bonfire. And the prosecution is like, why were you lighting a fire late that night? Were you possibly destroying evidence?

• 42:12Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 42:12Payton Moreland?

  Well, detectives take the stand and say, while they never actually saw evidence of a bonfire in the Thompson's yard, they did find a pot that had char marks on it and a wheelbarrow that was pretty burnt. But the defense obviously has a rebuttal for that. They're like, listen, there was no fire. These were tiki torches in the family's backyard. This is Hawaii after all. It couldn't have been Eric's truck on the surveillance video because he was on the other side of Oahu, getting rid of construction debris that night, remember? And they reminded the jury, the DNA results did not conclusively state they were a match for Eric. His guns and ammunition did not conclusively match the ones at the crime scene. And there was zero digital evidence at all.

• 42:56Garrett Moreland?

  Which this part I do understand. So let's say we think he, we think he did it. If there's any doubt at all that he maybe didn't, should we send him to prison for life?

• 43:08Payton Moreland?

  I mean, according to the law, no.

• 43:09Garrett Moreland?

  Exactly. And so that.

• 43:10Payton Moreland?

  Well, reasonable doubt.

• 43:12Garrett Moreland?

  Reasonable, yes. But and that's where things start getting tricky and start getting, that's where the gray area is.

• 43:17Payton Moreland?

  And I think this is like an interesting point because I think sometimes reasonable, reasonable doubt is taken as like, if there is any, anything at all that says no, but no, it's reasonable. Like, okay, but.

• 43:31Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 43:32Payton Moreland?

  There's another option that's reasonable.

• 43:34Garrett Moreland?

  It's hard. It really is hard.

• 43:36Payton Moreland?

  I mean, Again, how it, I mean, look at, look at crimes today. How many Google searches? How much cellphone history?

• 43:44Garrett Moreland?

  Correct.

• 43:44Payton Moreland?

  His cellphone history doesn't show him going over there. Granted, he could have not taken it. But there's so much digital evidence that in a year like this should have been found and there was nothing.

• 43:57Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, and that would be hard for me because with how much we use our phones and how much digital evidence there should be, if there's nothing, that would make me be like, I don't know.

• 44:06Payton Moreland?

  Nothing beforehand either. They couldn't find him looking John up, him looking for the address, him looking for the phone number. Like, there was nothing at all.

• 44:15Garrett Moreland?

  Or it was done on another phone or something else, right?

• 44:17Payton Moreland?

  Which is what the prosecution is saying. He's just good at cleaning up his tracks. Like, the reason we don't have the evidence is not because it didn't exist, it's because he was good at murder.

• 44:28Garrett Moreland?

  Prove that.

• 44:28Payton Moreland?

  No, you can't say, you can't prove that he was a good murderer. You know what I mean?

• 44:33Garrett Moreland?

  This is hard. This is tough, yeah.

• 44:35Payton Moreland?

  But you do have the security footage showing he was gone in the window.

• 44:39Garrett Moreland?

  Yep.

• 44:40Payton Moreland?

  And you do have a possible match for his truck on security.

• 44:47Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 44:47Payton Moreland?

  That's it, though. Like, as far as, is this possible? Now, Eric's trial resulted in a hung jury. They couldn't come to an agreement, which I don't think is that surprising. It's a mistrial and a new court date was set for February 2025.

• 45:05Garrett Moreland?

  Wow.

• 45:06Payton Moreland?

  There was a big problem going into his second trial. The judge didn't want to allow the police department's DNA analysis of the hat to be brought up into evidence this time in the second trial. And you might be like, well, why? According to a woman named Liz Thompson, who worked with the FBI on cases like this, no relation, by the way, the Honolulu Peters Lab wasn't validating their results. Basically, she claimed there's this process of checks and balances to make sure DNA results like can't be replicated, and this wasn't done in this case. So... The state technically couldn't use the bucket hat DNA in trial number two, which was one of their strongest, stronger pieces of evidence being like,

• 45:51Payton Moreland?

  we couldn't rule him out. He could have easily, this could be his DNA on the hat.

• 45:54Garrett Moreland?

  I don't think he gets convicted and I don't know if I think he did it or not. I don't know.

• 45:59Payton Moreland?

  The prosecution tries to find a loophole. They get the judge to allow results from a private analyst instead. So not the state, but a hired private analyst, someone with a company called Cyber Genetics, who presented their own separate analysis on the bucket hat. And what they found apparently was even more convincing than the Honolulu Peds Crime Lab's initial finding. They found that the odds that this DNA came from Eric Thompson were 16.4 trillion times higher than the odds that it came from a random unrelated individual. So basically they're saying AKA Eric Thompson's head was in that hat.

• 46:41Payton Moreland?

  Like that's, that's what the private analysis is saying. The rest of the trial honestly played out similarly to the last one. Like this was very similar, except this part, the jury went to deliberate and

• 46:53Garrett Moreland?

  Not guilty.

• 46:54Payton Moreland?

  They're split again.

• 46:55Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 46:56Payton Moreland?

  Judge sends them back like, nope, we're not getting this hung jury. Go back and figure it out. You're going to get a verdict. Few of them said it came down to Eric's decision to testify on his own behalf. When he got up and testified in his second trial, they found him cold, like a little tense and quote lame, but like low key, if I was being tried for a murder I didn't commit, I'm not sure I would be very like warm and bubbly on the stand.

• 47:21Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, I don't know. I don't, yeah.

• 47:23Payton Moreland?

  You know, I think I would be defensive as well. I'd be like, no, I didn't do this. But there still seemed to be a lot of reasonable doubt, watching the footage over and over. Most of the jurors couldn't even be sure if they were looking at a man or a woman that was walking in the bucket hat, let alone whether it's Eric Thompson. But after three days of deliberating, alliances started shifting, votes started flipping.

• 47:45Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 47:46Payton Moreland?

  Verdict was met. Eric Thompson was found guilty of second degree murder.

• 47:50Garrett Moreland?

  Interesting. Okay.

• 47:51Payton Moreland?

  He was sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole for the murder charge and was given an additional 20 years for the weapons charge. These would run concurrently. He must serve a minimum of 15 years before he's eligible for parole. But I still think there's a lot of questions that linger in this case. Is there more to the story between Eric and John? Like, How many times do we see a love triangle murder that has absolutely zero history between the murder and the victim that we can find?

• 48:20Garrett Moreland?

  Coincidences and I don't know. I'm glad that I don't, I don't know.

• 48:27Payton Moreland?

  There's nothing. We don't have anyone from John's family being like, oh yeah, Eric was crazy. He was stalking John. We don't have anyone from Eric's family being like, yeah, he went and found John.

• 48:36Garrett Moreland?

  I assume he obviously claims his innocence today. Is there anything going on with that? Or not really?

• 48:40Payton Moreland?

  No, he's just, he has 15 years. So the question is, is Eric just that good at covering up his tracks? No digital evidence, very little crime scene evidence, almost no DNA evidence. Had he kept that hat on his head, would he have gotten away with murder? Like if that private analysis hadn't come through and said, no, it's almost

• 49:03Garrett Moreland?

  Probably.

• 49:03Payton Moreland?

  pretty sure. Like if he just hadn't lost the hat on the way out and he is the murderer, would he not have been?

• 49:11Garrett Moreland?

  I mean, it's a good chance. I think so.

• 49:13Payton Moreland?

  And seven months after the affair ended, he kills his wife's affair partner. Did Eric know something that no one else did? Did something go wrong? Did someone get it wrong? What I can say is this, in a place known for its aloha spirit, you'd expect these answers to come easy, but unfortunately, in this case, pieces of the truth might be lost forever in paradise. And that is the murder of John Tokuhara.

• 49:41Garrett Moreland?

  It's hard because like, who else would have done it? Like who else would have done it? Right? Like, I mean, I don't know. It sounds like this guy was sleeping with everyone's wives. So maybe someone else would have done it.

• 49:48Payton Moreland?

  And like pissing women off because he did date around.

• 49:51Garrett Moreland?

  There's a lot of people that would have killed them.

• 49:53Payton Moreland?

  And if the gambling debt is true and the person who showed up was actually just there to collect on a debt and didn't end up taking the money because that's pretty obvious.

• 50:03Garrett Moreland?

  I mean, do I think he probably did it? Yes. Is there a chance he didn't do it? Also, yes. So I don't know how I feel.

• 50:10Payton Moreland?

  I also don't love the idea that like the first trial was a hung jury. The second trial was a hung jury.

• 50:15Garrett Moreland?

  And they made them go make it. Yeah, I don't like that.

• 50:17Payton Moreland?

  Yeah. So judge is allowed to do that. He's allowed to be like, no, go back, no, go back.

• 50:21Garrett Moreland?

  You're putting your life. It's weird to put your life in all of these random stranger's hands.

• 50:25Payton Moreland?

  And I think for me, like the fact the jury came out afterwards and openly said, I didn't vote that way first, but after being forced to sit there for three days and forced to come to an agreement, I switched my vote.

• 50:37Garrett Moreland?

  I'm not a fan of that.

• 50:37Payton Moreland?

  That feels weird.

• 50:38Garrett Moreland?

  I agree.

• 50:39Payton Moreland?

  I don't know. All right, you guys, that was our episode for today. And we will see you next time with another one. I love it.

• 50:46Garrett Moreland?

  And I hate it.

• 50:47Payton Moreland?

  Goodbye.

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