306. The TikTok Double Homicide - The Murder of Ana Abulaban and Rayburn Barron

In this episode, Garrett and Payton break down the chilling case of a TikTok personality whose online persona blurred into real life. What began as imitation of a fictional villain spiraled into obsession, control, and ultimately a brutal double homicide. Links: Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/murderwithmyhusband Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/murderwithmyhusband NEW MERCH LINK: https://mwmhshop.com Discount Codes: https://mailchi.mp/c6f48670aeac/oh-no-media-discount-codes Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/themwmh Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/into-the-dark/id1662304327 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36SDVKB2MEWpFGVs9kRgQ7?si=f5224c9fd99542a7 Case Sources:NBC San Diego - https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/san-diego-tik-tok-ali-abulaban-sentenced-murder/3552934/ SanDiego.gov - https://www.sandiego.gov/sites/default/files/102521_update_on_double_homicide_in_east_village_high_rise.pdf CBS8.com - https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/crime/arraignment-double-homicide-suspect-in-downtown-san-diego-shooting/509-40cc1b5a-5de0-43f2-acf3-9cee5748e9c1 TimesOfSanDiego.com - https://timesofsandiego.com/crime/2024/05/20/mother-psychologist-testify-in-san-diego-tiktok-stars-double-murder-trial/#google_vignette NYPost.com - https://nypost.com/2024/09/12/us-news/tiktok-scarface-star-who-murdered-wife-and-her-lover-mockingly-claps-while-sentenced-to-life-in-prison/#! 10News.com - https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/san-diego-news/mother-psychologist-testify-in-jinnkid-trial-of-east-village-killings People.com - https://people.com/ali-abulaban-verdict-guilty-of-murdering-wife-and-her-male-friend-8655603 Oxygen.com - https://www.oxygen.com/crime-news/tiktok-star-murders-ali-abulaban-ana-sentence USA. Inquirer.net - https://usa.inquirer.net/156275/tiktok-star-sentenced-to-life-in-prison-for-killing-fil-am-wife EOnline.com - https://www.eonline.com/news/1307216/tiktok-star-ali-abulaban-pleads-not-guilty-to-double-murder-of-wife-and-male-victim RollingStone.com - https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/tiktok-murder-wife-ali-abulaban-trial-1290372/ Variety.com - https://variety.com/2024/film/news/tiktok-star-murders-audio-killing-50-cent-1236047494/ Tik Tok Star Murders - https://www.peacocktv.com/watch/playback/vod/GMO_00000000233437_02_HDSDR/406cadce-7c0a-30c5-bd61-5dc18313f8d4 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Payton Moreland?

  You're listening to an Ono Media Podcast. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the podcast. This is Murder with My Husband. I'm Payton Moreland.

• 0:08Garrett Moreland?

  And I'm Garrett Moreland.

• 0:09Payton Moreland?

  And he's the husband.

• 0:10Garrett Moreland?

  And I'm the husband. Happy, happy Monday. Hope everyone is having a fantastic day. Week two on Netflix. Here we are. Thank you for being here. Thank you for watching. Thank you for supporting. Thank you for following. I'm glad you guys are here.

• 0:26Payton Moreland?

  What a weird week it was.

• 0:27Garrett Moreland?

  I know. It's weird. It's weird.

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• 0:49Garrett Moreland?

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• 1:23Payton Moreland?

  Okay, I think that puts us right into your 10 seconds.

• 1:26Garrett Moreland?

  Enough with the announcements. 10 seconds. I'm getting sick. I'm not feeling good. I'm getting a sore throat. I posted about this on my Instagram before, but sore throats have to be the worst thing. Like, there is nothing worse than a sore throat. If you're congested, you can take medicine. You have a headache, you can take medicine. Body aches suck, but I mean, they go away and you just sleep all day. You can't, I haven't found anything I can do about a sore throat. I have taken everything under the sun. I have tried every home remedy unless someone has some crazy witchcraft drink I can drink. I just,

• 2:09Garrett Moreland?

  I can feel it. I know it's happening and I know tomorrow I'm gonna wake up and I'll be like, oh my gosh, this sucks. Anyways, that's my 10 seconds. I'm getting a little sick. That's okay. Also, if anyone has any tips, I kind of need some help. Daisy is probably the best dog in the world. Like, she's, she's amazing. She's so trained. She never has any accidents. She's just a good dog. But, and maybe it's my fault, maybe it's our fault. She gets me up at the same time every night at around 3:30 a.m. because she needs to go to the bathroom. And she does need to go. So I don't know if we're giving her water to. The problem is, is she, she goes poop.

• 2:53Garrett Moreland?

  It's not that she goes pee because we're giving her water. It's, she takes a dump. At 3:30 a.m. every single night.

• 3:00Payton Moreland?

  She's embarrassed.

• 3:01Garrett Moreland?

  And I get up and I take her and it's 10 degrees outside and I sit there and I'm like, Daisy, please hurry up. And she takes a dump every night and I don't really know what to do.

• 3:12Payton Moreland?

  We can't do doggy door. She's too small to be going outside. There's big animals that could get her. So she can't go out alone.

• 3:18Garrett Moreland?

  And so I have to take her out and it's fine. I do it every single night. But if anyone has any tricks, it doesn't even matter what time we feed her. I'll feed her at 12 in the afternoon or I'll feed her at 11 o'clock at night, 3:30 a.m. Dump.

• 3:33Payton Moreland?

  I think we just have to say no.

• 3:35Garrett Moreland?

  But I don't want her to poop on my bed.

• 3:38Payton Moreland?

  I know, but I think she's, it's her routine.

• 3:40Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, I think it is. I think you're right. I think at this point, she's so used to me taking her at that time.

• 3:46Payton Moreland?

  She's like, I go potty in the middle of the night.

• 3:48Garrett Moreland?

  We need to get up. We're going potties is our thing. Anyways, that's it. Rambling a little bit. Let's get into today's case.

• 3:58Payton Moreland?

  Our sources for this episode are NBC San Diego, san diego.gov, CBS8.com, times of san diego.com, New York Post, 10news.com, people.com, oxygen.com, usaenquirer.net, eonline.com, rollingstone.com, variety.com, and TikTok star murders.

• 4:17Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, okay.

• 4:18Payton Moreland?

  That makes a little sense because. Nowadays, anyone can become a celebrity without ever stepping foot out of their front door. With things like YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, even OnlyFans, all you really need is a cellphone to get your face in front of thousands, if not millions of people. But when fame is that accessible and that achievable to just about anyone, the smallest taste can be like a drug. Every single like can create a serotonin boost. Every positive comment is a hit that leaves you wanting more.

• 4:59Payton Moreland?

  And if this attention starts to fade away, it can be like an addict coming down from a high. And over time, it can turn people into someone we no longer recognize, including a cold-blooded killer.

• 5:14Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, okay.

• 5:15Payton Moreland?

  And so today, I want you guys to meet Anna Marie Abou-Laban.

• 5:19Garrett Moreland?

  Hello.

• 5:20Payton Moreland?

  Piba, babe! Now, Anna spent her early years growing up in the Philippines in the mid 90s. But with her father in the military, they eventually moved to Okinawa, Japan, and lived on the base there. And that's where Anna made a lot of lifelong friends, other kids who were living on the base in this subtropical part of the country. They made memories on the beaches there together. And friends of Anna said in the early years, she was like most teenagers. She was a little nerdy, she was finding herself, she loved video games, she was maybe a little insecure, socially awkward.

• 6:03Payton Moreland?

  But Anna was one of the most caring, compassionate people they had ever met. And she was a loyal friend through and through. And those friends helped her find her confidence over the years as she blossomed into a beautiful, empowered, young woman. And then, she met Ali Abou-Laban.

• 6:26Payton Moreland?

  It was 2014 when 21-year-old Anna laid eyes on 22-year-old Ali for the first time. He was a US soldier in the military from Virginia, but also stationed on the base in Japan where she lived. And while she was quiet and more reserved, Ali was always the center of attention. He had a huge personality. He was the singer in a band. And right away, they gravitated towards each other in an opposites attract sort of way. Ali came from a Middle Eastern Muslim family, so they were a lot more religious than Anna's family.

• 7:07Payton Moreland?

  But Ali himself didn't consider religion a big part of his like outside life personality. Okay. In fact, he almost seemed to butt heads with his family quite a bit when it came to traditionalism. He was always sort of the black sheep of the family, the loud, boisterous one who was making home videos, doing different skits and dances and characters for the camera. It was clear to everyone who knew Ali that he wanted to make something of himself one day. Honestly, he kind of wanted to be a star, which may be why he found that college wasn't for him. He dropped out early and joined the Air Force when he was around 19 years old. Ali told people he really wanted to better himself,

• 7:52Payton Moreland?

  both mentally and physically, and he felt the Air Force was the way to do that. So he was stationed in Japan for what was supposed to be about two to three years of service, but things didn't go exactly as planned. So not long after Ali and Anna started dating, they were out at a bar with a few other people. And that night, a drunk Ali got into a fight with one of Anna's friends and actually assaulted them. Some thought it was because Ali was jealous this person had made a pass at his new girlfriend. Really, it was just one of the earliest red flags. And I'm not sure exactly what happened during this fight,

• 8:36Payton Moreland?

  but I do know it got back to Ali's superiors on base and it got him discharged from the military, which meant Ali was now headed back to America. But he and Anna weren't quite ready to call it quits because just a few weeks after Ollie returned to live with his family in Bristow, Virginia in 2015, Anna learned she was pregnant. Now, by this point, Anna's family had moved back to the Philippines. And after Ollie went back to America, Anna moved back in with her parents in her home country to figure out her next steps. So they've both left Japan, returned home to their families, but Anna is pregnant. Yeah.

• 9:21Payton Moreland?

  But now it seemed like the universe was making decisions for them. Both Anna and Ollie were excited but nervous, though they saw this as a sign that they were definitely meant to be together. So, Ollie helped Anna apply for a visa so she could move to the United States and they could be together as a family. Now, of course, this did take some time and eventually Anna gave birth to the couple's little girl back in the Philippines, and they named her Amira. And when she was about nine months old, Ollie and Anna received some good news. Anna was approved to move to the States with their young daughter. And

• 10:04Payton Moreland?

  by the end of 2016, Anna and Amira were in Bristow, Virginia, living with Ollie and his family, all underneath the same roof. Now, in January of 2017, they decided to make their relationship more official. They didn't have a huge elaborate wedding. Instead, they just went down to the courthouse. But to Ollie and Anna, only one thing was important at the time, starting their lives together as one happy family. And around this same time, social media was seeing a massive shift.

• 10:41Payton Moreland?

  TikTok formerly Musically had launched in 2016. And it was clear that anyone could become a celebrity from their own home using nothing but their phone. Maybe a ring light. I think this like first started with Vine. Where you were seeing average people blow up and get so many followers. And for Ollie, it was the perfect tool. As the kid who always wanted to entertain and be the center of attention. Ollie saw TikTok as a way to gain more exposure early on. Get his face and his antics in front of more people. So he hopped on the app a lot earlier than the rest of us. And he navigated it pretty well. He began making little comedy videos. Imitating characters from video games.

• 11:26Payton Moreland?

  Characters from movies like John Wick. And his iconic Al Pacino in Scarface. And honestly, he was pretty good at it. He really committed to the bit. And was incredible at doing impressions and little by little, he gained a following on the app. Under the handle Gin Kid.

• 11:45Garrett Moreland?

  On TikTok?

• 11:46Payton Moreland?

  Yes.

• 11:47Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 11:47Payton Moreland?

  So a gin in Japanese is like an entity or ghost if I'm understanding right. And Ollie thought it was a catchy word to attach kid to. And since he had served in Japan. Well, he came up with the name and from there it was off to the races.

• 12:05Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 12:05Payton Moreland?

  And the more views, likes and followers he got. The more Ollie lost himself in Gin Kid. He becomes obsessed with his platform. He begins including Anna in a lot of his videos. It almost seemed like something they really enjoyed doing together. And a lot of those early TikToks, they're seen together laughing, joking around, having a lot of fun. Anna would even play characters in some of his skits. She said it brought them closer than ever before.

• 12:37Garrett Moreland?

  Social media is such a wild place.

• 12:43Garrett Moreland?

  It's crazy. Unlike anything else out there.

• 12:45Payton Moreland?

  Right, especially those early days.

• 12:48Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, I'm even now, though, like it's just such a like an escape. Like you don't know what's real. You don't know what's not real. You don't know how people really are behind closed doors. It's just such an interesting place.

• 12:59Payton Moreland?

  And think like 2017, 2018, couples doing skits was not as big as it became in like 2021.

• 13:08Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, sure.

• 13:08Payton Moreland?

  So they were definitely like early on that.

• 13:11Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 13:11Payton Moreland?

  Now, she says it really brought them closer together and it actually brought even more attention to Ollie's page by having Anna in those videos. They become a couple page essentially. And then around 2019 into 2020, probably like for any other TikToker, things really started picking up steam. Ollie got himself a manager to help promote his content. He started getting some small brand deals, becoming an influencer. Plus, his videos were going viral by now. One day, one of Anna's old friends was fed Jinkid's content on her feed and was shocked to see Anna in a video alongside him. And that's when a lot of people started to realize they were becoming TikTok famous.

• 13:57Payton Moreland?

  By 2020, keep in mind, this is when like most of us were getting on the app. Ollie had amassed two million followers. And Anna's fame was starting to grow separately on her own account now. Now, when the pandemic hit, Anna, bored and stuck at home, began making her own videos with her friends. And partially thanks to Ollie, her following got bigger and bigger too. Soon, her style changed. She began dressing differently. She began working out more. She was getting brand deals. She was finding her confidence, but it wasn't really what made her happy. Her family, daughter, and friends were what was most important to her.

• 14:40Payton Moreland?

  And unlike Ollie, TikTok felt more like a hobby to her than a passion. And while she was definitely getting more attention online, she felt lonelier and lonelier at home as they began blowing up.

• 14:54Garrett Moreland?

  I wonder, gosh, 2020, this is such a. Awkward time because they probably weren't making their money full time from brands. Like it was just, it was still pretty new at that point. I feel like, you know what I'm saying?

• 15:07Payton Moreland?

  I mean, like Hype House probably hasn't even started yet.

• 15:10Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah. So it's like, I don't know if brands were really, I would assume paying what?

• 15:14Payton Moreland?

  They pay now.

• 15:14Garrett Moreland?

  They pay them now? I don't know. No idea. I've never done a TikTok ad, so wrong person to ask.

• 15:19Payton Moreland?

  But it was definitely right around the corner. Like it was definitely about to get big.

• 15:25Garrett Moreland?

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• 18:08Payton Moreland?

  Murder with My Husband sent you. She's feeling lonelier at home though, because even though they're like, what should be on a high because of the way their life is changing, Ollie was dedicating a lot more of his personal time to his own social media presence. Her friends said she felt like she was living Ollie's life, not her own, like her whole life had become this TikTok thing. He had his family in Virginia, but her family and friends were so far away back in the Philippines. So that's when one of her friends, Julia, who was living in San Diego at the time, suggested, hey, like leave Virginia and

• 18:50Payton Moreland?

  come out to California and visit. She figured a vacation and a break from being a mom and a wife for just a weekend might do her some good. And that trip really changed everything for Anna and Ollie. So after having to convince Ollie to let her go, Anna goes and falls in love with the city. And she sort of got a piece of herself back, felt a little bit independent. She and her friends were getting dressed up, going out dancing, and being back with friends, many of whom she had grown up with in Japan, made her realize how much she missed having her own circle around her.

• 19:31Garrett Moreland?

  Interesting. Yeah, that'd be tough. That'd be tough.

• 19:33Payton Moreland?

  And if you're not someone who like, Well, also, she's just a mom. She has an entire life. It's not as easy as like just being a young adult on your own, going somewhere new and trying to make friends. So when she gets back to Virginia, she pitched something to Ollie. She's like, hey, why don't we move to California for a little while? Try it out. It definitely took some convincing, but with LA being just a few hours from San Diego, Ollie saw the benefit for his career. Ultimately, he wanted his fame to grow beyond TikTok. He wanted to become an actor, a comedian, get on a bigger screen. So he eventually agreed. And in February of 2021,

• 20:16Payton Moreland?

  Ollie, Anna, and their baby Amira moved out to California. They got a place in a luxury apartment building overlooking the water, high above the city.

• 20:28Garrett Moreland?

  So they, I mean, they're making money at this point, it sounds like.

• 20:31Payton Moreland?

  On the 35th, I mean, they have millions of followers. And at first, Anna was really grateful that Ollie agreed to move, so much so that she felt she had to do whatever it took to make him comfortable there now that he was moving somewhere. He didn't have anyone. So she encouraged Ollie to go up to LA for several nights in a row, meet up with other creators, and maybe even try out some stand-up comedy in a few nightclubs.

• 20:58Garrett Moreland?

  This is so interesting. I wonder if I've seen him on TikTok.

• 21:02Payton Moreland?

  I bet you probably have.

• 21:03Garrett Moreland?

  I wonder if I've seen his face, if I would recognize it, because the name does not ring any bells.

• 21:09Payton Moreland?

  She was definitely supportive in letting him chase his dreams in California, too. But when people started recognizing Ollie out in public, and the fame began to seep into real life, people say it brought out the worst in him. Turns out, a lot of Anna's friends said they never really liked Ollie. They found him intolerable and obnoxious. That he talked about himself constantly, would say uncomfortable things, always thought he was better than everyone else, even before the fame. He would walk into rooms and say things like, "Don't you know who I am?" And at this point, the partying was getting really out of control.

• 21:47Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 21:48Payton Moreland?

  Both Anna and Ollie would go out often, and Ollie began using a lot of cocaine. Soon, it extended to nights when they weren't even out at the clubs. They would be dining at a restaurant and Ollie would pull out a baggie at the table.

• 22:04Garrett Moreland?

  A baggie? Don't do drugs, kids.

• 22:06Payton Moreland?

  People felt like he felt. He was allowed to do whatever he wanted with no repercussions. Eventually, he even started using drugs during his live streams. Anna would tell him to stop and put the phone down in those moments.

• 22:19Garrett Moreland?

  I don't think you can do that.

• 22:20Payton Moreland?

  No, you can't. But this is, I mean, what, 2021?

• 22:24Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, it's not as regulated yet, yeah.

• 22:26Payton Moreland?

  And like on live, the audience begins to see this behavior too, because he's now like sneaking drugs during a live and Anna's in the back like, "Don't do that." And he will like full-blown yell at her in like on live, just snap at her.

• 22:42Garrett Moreland?

  I need to look videos up after this.

• 22:44Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, so you're going? Luke's gonna be there.

• 22:47Speaker 03

  I told you we're going to the hotel.

• 22:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is the after-party, and you're going.

• 22:52Speaker 03

  Why do you think I can bring a kid? Because nobody's there with girls, you stupid...

• 22:55Payton Moreland?

  Obviously, like the couple would caption their videos with things like, "When your relationship is drama-free." Like other relationship videos out there.

• 23:05Garrett Moreland?

  That's what I'm saying, though. You just...

• 23:06Payton Moreland?

  We all know social media is not real life.

• 23:08Garrett Moreland?

  Never believe anything you see on social media.

• 23:10Payton Moreland?

  And it is always interesting with couple creators to see like, they're posting these videos, like just couple videos, and then the next day they post a video being like, "We're breaking up. Bye." And people get so confused because they're like, "Whoa, you were still posting your skits, you know?"

• 23:25Garrett Moreland?

  I understand it. Now, it's a job, right? So they're doing it because they have brand deals, it's a job, they're trying to make money, yada, yada, yada.

• 23:31Payton Moreland?

  For sure. But that's the thing, it's a job.

• 23:33Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 23:34Payton Moreland?

  And honestly, the more perfect someone portrays themselves to be online, chances are the less perfect it might all be. We overcompensate a little bit as humans. And that was certainly the case with Anna and Ollie. Anna's friends said from the moment they moved to San Diego, they could tell how controlling Ollie was. She had to ask his permission to go out.

• 23:54Garrett Moreland?

  Oh geez.

• 23:55Payton Moreland?

  And oftentimes he told her no. He wanted to control what she was doing. He had control over what she was wearing, who she was spending her time with. And a lot of that had to do with the fact that Anna was happy in San Diego finally. She had her own community there. She was coming out of her shell and she was gaining her own following, getting attention and positive reinforcement from strangers, both online and in the real world.

• 24:21Garrett Moreland?

  Sounds like he was jealous.

• 24:22Payton Moreland?

  He was threatened by it. So he starts saying things to exercise that control. Things like, well, I'm the one that brought you to America. You wouldn't have any of this.

• 24:34Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, that's insane.

• 24:36Payton Moreland?

  Like, I'm the one who brought you here. I'm the one who started Musically.

• 24:40Garrett Moreland?

  That's wild.

• 24:40Payton Moreland?

  Basically treating her like property, honestly, rather than just this partner that's on this venture with him. And Anna and Ollie did a good job of hiding these marital issues for a while. Friends of Anna's knew Ollie wasn't a good match for her, but he was her husband. They had a kid together. They just didn't feel like it was their place to step in because she wasn't being as open about these things. That is until spring of 2021, just a few months after they moved to San Diego. Because with the couple now closer to Anna's friends, they got a peek into what was really going on behind closed doors and it was not good. One afternoon around that time, Anna and her friend Julia went to the gym and then

• 25:25Payton Moreland?

  back to Anna's apartment to pick up Amira. Julia said Ollie was there and when they showed up, he was incredibly mad at Anna for something. So he pulled her into the bedroom to talk to her because Julia is there, but then Julia can hear them fighting. She could tell that it was escalating. He began throwing things. He was screaming obscenities. And then suddenly Anna came bursting out of the room, grabbed Amira and rushed Julia out of the apartment. It seems like-

• 26:01Garrett Moreland?

  What?

• 26:03Payton Moreland?

  Anna actually stayed at Julia's house that night with her daughter because Julia said Ollie was texting Anna nonstop for the next 24 hours demanding that she bring their daughter home. And that's when the concern really started to set in for Julia. Having witnessed it firsthand, she wondered if this was a regular occurrence, like this level of fighting,

• 26:24Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 26:24Payton Moreland?

  you know, taking the child and leaving. But Anna played it off saying, no, we'll talk it out later. It was just a bad fight. Everything's gonna be fine. Which is even like more of a red flag because clearly it's not. It soon became clear though, to not just Anna's friends, but to their followers as well, that this was becoming the norm between Anna and Ollie. Because over time, it wasn't just on live streams, Ollie starts recording their fights as well.

• 26:54Garrett Moreland?

  No way. And posting them?

• 26:56Payton Moreland?

  Posting them for sympathy. He's like, oh, this is a toxic relation. Look at what I have to put up with. Like literally playing the victim.

• 27:04Garrett Moreland?

  That's, that's wild.

• 27:06Speaker 02

  Talk to me. Respond to my texts. I gave you seven texts. You're not responding. You're not answering my calls. You said you're not going out tonight. You lie to me all the time.

• 27:15Payton Moreland?

  Like, he's clearly unwell because he's posting it, trying to be the victim. But in the videos, he's saying things like, you're my woman, B word. I brought you to this effing country. You should be kissing my feet. And I know this sounds like outrageous, but might I add, there are still creators on TikTok today with mass following that like, it's exploitative. The things that they're famous for, there's people who have tons of following because their house is messy, or have tons of, you know what I mean?

• 27:49Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, yeah, okay.

• 27:50Payton Moreland?

  Not, not just like influencer.

• 27:52Garrett Moreland?

  This is like teeter tot, I mean, teeter tot. This is like domestic violence at this point. Domestic abuse.

• 27:58Payton Moreland?

  Oh, 100%. 100%. But it's just so weird how TikTok, literally people mass followings for negative reasons.

• 28:05Garrett Moreland?

  I mean, there's, I mean, there's TV shows around like hoarders and stuff, right? It's the same thing.

• 28:09Payton Moreland?

  Yeah, that's true. He starts recording, posting these things. He would also yell at her for not having sex with him, saying it's been almost a month. She's got to be seeing someone else because how she could, how could she go that long without having sex with him? I mean, this was really personal stuff. He was blasting out to followers.

• 28:27Garrett Moreland?

  The reason she's not having sex with you is because you guys are fighting, dude.

• 28:30Payton Moreland?

  And it's wildly disturbing, but it's also some of the many signs of being in a domestically abusive relationship. Control, gaslighting threats. And in Anna's case, she does feel like Ollie has power and control over her. She doesn't want to lose her visa.

• 28:47Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, I get that.

• 28:48Payton Moreland?

  She doesn't want to get sent back to the Philippines. That could mean losing her daughter, too. It's a, it's an intense situation. And in one of these videos, Anna even calls Ollie's mother to try and have her mediate between the two of them. And she's no help at all. She says to Anna, well, why do you keep getting back with him? What do you want me to do? Do you want me to try to put him in jail? Meanwhile, Anna's just trying to get him out of the house for a while and is hoping to find some sympathy and support.

• 29:19Garrett Moreland?

  What a great mother-in-law, by the way.

• 29:20Payton Moreland?

  And I think there was a section of people too, who maybe thought this was performative. Like skits to, to try to gain views, you know? It's like those couples who post cheating things, like finding out my husband's cheating on me, but it's every single video in a different way.

• 29:35Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 29:36Payton Moreland?

  So I'm sure there were people that were like, oh, this is just clickbait, you know? But over time, these threats begin changing. Around July of 2021, he starts threatening suicide. He tells Anna that he'll take his own life if she leaves him. But Anna also knows this home is no longer safe for her daughter. Ollie has a gun in the house and apparently even takes it out of its case one day and starts pointing it at himself during a fight. While Amira, their daughter, is sleeping on the couch. But every time Anna takes her daughter and leaves, Ollie love bombs her, begs her to come back, tries to win her over. Textbook behavior, terrifying. And in this case, it is exacerbated by his obsession with fame.

• 30:19Payton Moreland?

  And his cocaine addiction, because he's putting these fights on social media and people are supporting him. People begin making nasty comments about Anna, feeding into the behavior.

• 30:30Garrett Moreland?

  How have I never seen this?

• 30:32Payton Moreland?

  It's just a niche corner.

• 30:34Garrett Moreland?

  Niche, millions of fault niche corner.

• 30:37Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 30:38Garrett Moreland?

  That's a big, in 2021, 22, that's a lot.

• 30:42Payton Moreland?

  Yes.

• 30:42Garrett Moreland?

  I had to have seen one of these and just not realized. This is crazy.

• 30:46Payton Moreland?

  Which in Ollie's mind must reassure his thoughts like, oh, you know, I'm the victim to my audience, but you can see how people like Anna might get trapped in these scenarios and can't see way out. Usually the abuser has something they're holding over their victim's head. In this case, it's her daughter. Plus, it's possible she didn't feel like anyone could truly help her. And I say this because Anna calls the police to their apartment several times and Ollie records these interactions too. You can hear him in one video sweet talking the cops and laying on the charm, saying to them that his wife just wants him to leave the house so she can have it to herself and saying, quote, "It's a woman's world, man."

• 31:28Payton Moreland?

  One morning, Anna even called Ollie's cousin Louis, who also lived in San Diego and asked him to come pick her and Amira up. He brought her over to Julia's house where they saw the whole left side of her face was bruised. After that, Anna began texting him pictures, threatening to post them online, expose who he really was, saying, "I'm gonna show all the followers what you've done to me." But that's when Ollie snapped.

• 31:53Garrett Moreland?

  Uh oh.

• 31:53Payton Moreland?

  The last thing he wanted was to look like the villain, especially to his online following. Losing that fame would mean losing everything to Ollie and he was not gonna let that happen. And while things escalated from there, the violence wasn't something new in this relationship. While Ollie and his mother denied this, apparently, Ollie had punched Anna in the face back when they started dating in Japan.

• 32:17Garrett Moreland?

  What's up with Ollie's mom? Yo, I don't, I don't even care if she's listening to this. That's just messed up. You like supporting domestic abuse and violence is crazy to me. It's just not, it's not okay.

• 32:30Payton Moreland?

  And that might have had something to do with why he was discharged from the military. But around the fall of 2021, Ollie does something that really makes Anna say, okay, enough is enough. I used to think a camera or video doorbell was home security. And then I realized those can only record a break in. They literally can't stop one. And that is the difference with Simply Safe. When an intruder steps onto your property, Simply Safe's AI-powered cameras detect the threat and alert a live US-based agent who can then intervene to stop them before they even get into your door. Because it's not my house or valuables that I'm even worried about. It's a stranger getting anywhere close to the people I love.

• 33:14Payton Moreland?

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• 33:57Payton Moreland?

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• 34:38Payton Moreland?

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• 35:20Payton Moreland?

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• 36:06Payton Moreland?

  And that's when the other woman realized, okay, he's basically trouble and I'm gonna let Anna know. So Anna confronts Ollie about it and he admits it. He even doubles down. He starts sending her voice notes saying that he slept with girls in Los Angeles and Miami.

• 36:22Garrett Moreland?

  What is happening?

• 36:23Payton Moreland?

  That he's been finding attention elsewhere because she doesn't give it to him and she disrespects him. She's been depriving him of sex. I mean, just awful things. And that's when Anna realizes, I'm done, done. She packs up her stuff, takes a mirror and the two move out of the apartment and let Ollie stay there alone. Now, on October 6th, 2021, Anna decides to update her following. She posts a video talking about how she's finally out of a seven-year toxic relationship and an abusive marriage. And this hits a nerve with Ollie because again, he believes TikTok is his domain. And now he's afraid his reputation will be on the line, that his followers will even side with her. And what makes him even more pissed is

• 37:08Payton Moreland?

  he thinks at this point Anna has her eye on someone else, someone she's been friends with for a while, that's maybe becoming a little more than friends.

• 37:16Garrett Moreland?

  I'm so confused. After he slept with multiple women?

• 37:19Payton Moreland?

  It's just toxic.

• 37:20Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 37:21Payton Moreland?

  A guy named Rayburn Barron. Now, Rayburn was 29 years old. He was someone who always put his friends and family before himself. And that very much included Anna, especially when she was going through the most trying time of her young life. Unfortunately, there's not a whole lot out there about Rayburn, and he often gets lost in Anna and Ollie's story. But I can tell you one thing. He was a real bright light in the story for Anna. Honestly, like a knight in shining armor, someone who taught her that she was worthy of real love, someone who seemed to teach her courage, give her new lease on life. There's debate about whether there was anything romantic going on

• 38:01Payton Moreland?

  between the two of them. Some of her friends say, no, they were just friends. Others say there was more to it. But they were getting very close by that October. And with Rayburn's help, it seems like Anna was finally on the track to leaving Ollie for good. And Ollie knew Rayburn was a factor in this. He had always been jealous of him when he came around. Maybe he sensed there was something between the two of them, but he made it clear he did not like Rayburn. And when he heard they were spending more time together after their separation, that's when things really escalated. Anna was still receiving daily, if not hourly, threats from Ollie, but she was looking towards

• 38:43Payton Moreland?

  the future, trying not to give it too much oxygen. She was happy and living with a weight off her shoulders, finally. Though, some of her friends were definitely worried about what Ollie was capable of. They knew he was manipulative, conniving, he had a gun. But Anna always reassured them, "Listen, he's not gonna do anything to, like, critically hurt me." Unfortunately, though, Ollie was already planning his next move. One day in mid-October, he told Anna that he would go stay in a hotel so that she and Amira could live at the apartment. Anna's like, oh, okay, this is an olive branch. But Ollie knew it was an opportunity.

• 39:22Payton Moreland?

  They moved her things in and his things out, but he got a copy of the new set of electronic key cards she made without her knowledge. And on October 21st, he does something will change the course of a lot of people's lives. That day, Anna's back in the apartment with Amira and takes five-year-old Amira to school that morning. But while she's gone, Ollie shows up and lets himself back into the apartment. And not to get like some of his leftover belongings, no, he goes in and trashes the entire apartment. He also puts an app on his daughter's iPad, basically like a listening app, and then he hides the iPad under the couch.

• 40:05Payton Moreland?

  So around 11:00 a.m., Anna returns, Ollie is gone, but it's obvious he was there because the place is a mess. Probably a distraction for hiding the iPad in the first place. So she calls her friend Julia and says, hey, I need your help. It's gonna take me all day to clean this place. There's stuff all over the floor, broken glass. She wants to know if Julia can pick Amira up at school in a few hours, and Julia's like, yeah, I got this. But Anna, you gotta get out of there. Anna says she knows and is planning to go straight to the police station after she's done to get a restraining order against Ollie. Now, after Anna hangs up with Julia, she calls Rayburn and asks, hey, can you come by and help me clean up this mess? So he does. But then what does Ollie hear from the listening app on the iPad?

• 40:50Garrett Moreland?

  Everything.

• 40:52Payton Moreland?

  Rayburn's voice inside Anna's apartment, and he loses his mind. He gets in his car, drives back to the apartment complex around 2:50 p.m. He parks and then gets in the elevator and...

• 41:05Garrett Moreland?

  Dude, what an absolute loser. What a loser. Yeah.

• 41:10Payton Moreland?

  He turns his camera on his phone on to start recording what's about to happen. In this video, which is obviously going to become evidence, you can see him making small talk with someone on the ride up to the 35th floor as if nothing is wrong. He then gets off the elevator and while it's just audio at this point because he's like not holding his phone up, you hear him open the apartment door. Then you can hear Rayburn's voice saying, whoa, followed by four gunshots.

• 41:41Garrett Moreland?

  Holy crap.

• 41:48Payton Moreland?

  Anna is yelling as you can hear Ollie in the video reload the gun and fire two more times. He then shot her, taking both of their lives. Then he leaves the apartment, paces the hallway, then goes back inside. And that's when he screams Anna's name a few times, acting like he just realized what he did.

• 42:14Garrett Moreland?

  I don't even care what the scum of the earth, just low, low, low. Insane, insane.

• 42:20Payton Moreland?

  And then what does he do?

• 42:22Garrett Moreland?

  I don't know. Oh, kills himself.

• 42:23Payton Moreland?

  No. Calls his mom.

• 42:27Garrett Moreland?

  Tell me what the mom said. What did the mom say?

• 42:29Payton Moreland?

  He says, hey, I just shot my wife and her friend. And his mom doesn't believe him, so he takes pictures of the crime scene and texts them to her as proof.

• 42:39Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 42:40Payton Moreland?

  A short while later, Julia is on her way to the school to pick up Amira, which like, let's just not forget that they have a full-blown daughter at school. As she's pulling up to the school, she sees Ollie getting into his car with Amira. This obviously terrifies Julia because she's like, oh, I know the situation here. Like Anna does not want you picking her up. Like, there's no mistake here. So she starts following Ollie and calling Anna repeatedly to be like, hey, he just picked her up. Obviously, of course, Anna's not answering. Eventually, Ollie makes a turn and Julia loses him, but luckily the cops were already.

• 43:25Payton Moreland?

  On his trail.

• 43:26Garrett Moreland?

  Thank goodness. Okay.

• 43:27Payton Moreland?

  A neighbor had heard the gunshots and called nine one one immediately. And they knew Ollie, they saw him in the hallway, so they knew it was him who had done it. So police quickly put out an APB for Ollie and his black Jeep Wrangler. Cause they have his name and thank goodness they catch him quickly on the highway without much incident. Because Amir is still in the car. Who knows?

• 43:51Garrett Moreland?

  This isn't, this is horrible.

• 43:53Payton Moreland?

  Ollie apparently had even told the little girl when he picked her up that day that he had hurt mommy. This is what she tells police. That day she also watched her father get arrested by the police.

• 44:05Garrett Moreland?

  Poor girl, like just, he not only ruined other people's lives, he ruined his own, he ruined his daughter's life. Sorry, ruined is the wrong word. He caused a tremendous amount of trauma. And now she doesn't have a mom and she doesn't have a dad.

• 44:23Payton Moreland?

  And this is like attached to her.

• 44:26Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, so sad.

• 44:28Payton Moreland?

  Meanwhile, news is starting to spread to honest friends. That something's wrong because like Julia is now on something, something's going on. And they're pretty sure it's what they've all been dreading. Five hours after being taken into custody, Ollie just ups and confesses to the murders. He was charged with two counts of first degree as well as several other charges. And while Ollie is in jail awaiting trial, he does an interview. And not only does he show very little remorse for what he did, but he keeps referring in this interview to everything as his.

• 45:07Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 45:07Payton Moreland?

  Like he accuses Rayburn of kissing his wife in his house on his couch. Like still, and at the end of the interview.

• 45:19Garrett Moreland?

  This is like, yeah.

• 45:20Payton Moreland?

  He starts breaking down because he lost his baby. He's not talking about a mirror. He's saying that because of all of this, he lost his online platform. Not his daughter, not his wife, no. Because of all of this, I've now lost my online platform, my followers, my fame.

• 45:41Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, just narcissist, just straight victimhood.

• 45:45Payton Moreland?

  It's gross, but I want to talk about the trial because the biggest factor is whether he should get first or second degree murder. Was this premeditated or spur of the moment? I'm not going to even entertain the defense's argument here because you heard the story. This violence was not a one-time deal. And outside of everything he did to make Anna's life and his daughter's life a living hell, there was additional evidence on his computer and phone. Searches that he'd made before the murder for trash cans, chopped up bodies, exploitation of minors.

• 46:14Garrett Moreland?

  Holy crap.

• 46:15Payton Moreland?

  He was unwell, he had been for a long time, and the jury knew it. So on May 29th, 2024, the jury found him guilty of two counts of first degree murder.

• 46:25Garrett Moreland?

  Good.

• 46:26Payton Moreland?

  Ollie or Jen Kidd will spend the rest of his life in prison with no chance of parole. In 2024, a documentary was released on Peacock called TikTok Star Murders that told Anna's story through the memory of her closest friends. And some of those women said that they had since parted ways after Anna's death, all grieving separately. But the documentary kind of brought them all back together. A GoFundMe was set up for Anna's family after her death. Her body was sent back to the Philippines so she could be buried in her hometown. The family welcomes any happy memories, kind words, or nice stories anyone has to share in Anna's memory.

• 47:07Payton Moreland?

  And if you or someone you know is experiencing domestic violence, please know there is always a way out. Call the National Domestic Violence Hotline at 1-800-799-7233. Go to thehotline.org or text BEGIN to 88788. And that is the murder of Anna in Rayburn.

• 47:31Garrett Moreland?

  Ah, domestic violence, man, it is, it's just, it's so sad because it's scary how it just escalates. It escalates and there always seems, okay, not always, but.

• 47:45Garrett Moreland?

  I mean, in the cases we cover, at least it always seems to end in murder because this is the podcast we're on, but domestic violence in general is so dangerous because so many can end up like this.

• 47:56Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 47:57Garrett Moreland?

  It's so dangerous.

• 47:59Payton Moreland?

  It is not far out. I think sometimes it's like murder is so far away and it's like in domestic violence situations, it's actually not. And domestic violence is so common, like you're saying.

• 48:10Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 48:11Payton Moreland?

  All right, you guys, that was our episode for this week. Please just take some time. Remember Anna, her family, her daughter. Again, if you were, you know, her family said they love any kind of words or memories, but just take this day to think about them and we will see you next time with another episode. I love it.

• 48:32Garrett Moreland?

  I hate it.

• 48:33Payton Moreland?

  Goodbye.