Carrie, Cult Classics & Chaos: A Sit Down with Matthew Lillard

Weirdos! We’re continuing the most wonderful time of the year with a truly iconic guest that you have been asking for: Matthew Lillard!! He joins us to talk shop about his current projects as well as his incredible body of work, all the while proving that he is human charisma with a little bit of chaos sprinkled on top! We honestly haven’t laughed this much during an episode EVER! In the episode, we chat about his upcoming Amazon Prime series Carrie where he rejoins the Flanaverse! It’s INCREDIBLY well acted, written, and directed! So prepare yourself to stream your next Spooky Season hyperfixation and appreciate the countless brilliant performances in this incredible adaptation of the Stephen King classic! We also dive into his resume (Scream, Thir13en Ghosts, Life of Chuck, The Curve, Five Nights At Freddie’s, Serial Mom, Scooby Doo, The Descendants ) and talk about why he is loving this latest chapter in his life! Catch Carrie on Amazon Prime on October 7th! We promise you will be as obsessed with it as we are! Check out Find Familiar Spirits, featuring their Ghost Face Blood Orange Killer Collection Box Set as well the GORGEOUS Macabre Spirits boxes featuring the perfect pairing of spirits, art and current voices in horror!

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  I'm Elena.

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  I'm Josh Hartnett.

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  And this is Morbid.

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  This with Matthew Lillard cosplaying as Josh Hartnett.

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  How handsome am I?

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  So handsome.

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  Pretty handsome.

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  As Josh.

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  Of course, that's what I was talking about.

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  That's who you are today.

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  I loved you in that M. Night Shyamalan movie.

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  Which one was that?

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  What was it called?

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  The Trap.

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  The Trap.

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  The Trap.

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  You don't really love my work. If you really loved my work, you would have said Wicker Park.

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  Wicker Park.

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  Also star, he also stars with, I also star with Matthew Lillard. I start, I have a problem with my, I don't identify as a he, she. I identify as a Josh Hartnett.

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  I like that. I like that. Those are good.

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  That's your pronouns, period.

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  I don't.

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  Now we're set up.

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  Now we're set, now we know.

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  Yeah.

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  I loved working with Matthew Lillard. He's so dreamy.

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  He really is.

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  He has an incredible chin. Everyone says that about him. That's what Josh Hartnett would say about Matthew Lillard.

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  I feel like you're right.

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  Yeah.

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  I will say this. I did this movie, I did that movie, Wicker Park, and it was Rose Byrne him and

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  Diana Kruger.

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  Oh, man.

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  And the, we were in Montreal, which is a very sexy city, and they all sat there and like smoked cigarettes and they talked about art. And I was like, I have never wanted to be a cigarette smoker that, in my life, and I would like to watch all these beautiful people, just like.

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  Just blackening their lungs.

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  Yes, but that has never looked so handsome.

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  It looks cool.

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  So, they were so, they were all beautiful.

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  Oh, yeah, I could, I could.

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  Smoking never has been sexier.

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  But then you can just think about their lungs being like tar.

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  When you cut open a body and somebody is a cigarette smoker, do you, can you see it?

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  Oh, yeah.

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  Oh, yes.

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  How do you know?

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  She tells me stories. I used to smoke cigarettes.

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  The mortician.

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  All right, I'll sit back.

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  The autopsy tech.

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  She, it's how I got her to stop smoking cigarettes.

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  You smoked?

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  Yeah, I was like a teenager.

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  It's so dangerous.

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  I know. She was such a rebel.

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  Was it, did you feel sexy?

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  No, I felt stressed when I would smoke cigarettes.

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  You were, because you were getting caught?

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  No, I was smoking to relieve stress. I knew you would catch me.

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  Yeah.

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  Yeah.

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  It did?

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  Yeah, you get like a little buzz.

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  Huh.

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  But you don't want to do it. Your lungs will look like shit.

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  That's not a PSA to do it.

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  Your lungs will look like shit if you do it. They really will.

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  But then they regenerate, right?

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  But it takes a little while.

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  Are mine regenerated now?

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  Oh, yeah, yours is probably good.

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  Love that.

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  But yeah, they look like rotted.

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  Ew.

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  And they're shriveling.

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  Wait, why are you here? Don't you guys normally shoot somewhere else?

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  Yeah, at our house.

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  Where's your house?

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  It's, it's in Massachusetts.

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  How's Massachusetts? Where in Massachusetts? Why don't I come by later for dinner?

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  You could, if you want to.

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  Would that be creepy?

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  No, not at all.

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  Um, why, how are you doing this? Why did you guys start this?

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  She was an autopsy tech and she's creepy, and I needed a job.

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  Ew.

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  You get to come back to me.

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  She hasn't cut up bodies in a few years.

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  Are you still, are you not doing it? You're just doing this full time?

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  And I miss it. I would do it again.

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  People die every day.

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  They do. I always have a job.

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  There is an opportunity for you to.

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  I could always go back.

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  Dig right in.

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  Yeah.

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  Literally.

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  Literally.

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  I have a friend of mine in Pasadena who's a mortician.

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  Yeah, morticians are even better.

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  Well, that's like the whole preparation of the body in any connection.

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  Fluids.

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  Yeah, but even if like you catch somebody who's taken their life or hurt, mortally wounded in a sword fight, you prepare them for burial.

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  Yeah.

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  It's a pretty crazy, he has been picking up bodies since he was in high school. Like you'd have a beeper go off and be like, I gotta go get a body.

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  Just like in the middle of math class?

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  Yeah, because he's like, it was, it's his family business.

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  Yeah, he said he left school for that.

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  Yeah, you love that.

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  Family business in high school? You just leave to pick up bodies?

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  I once did an event in Kansas.

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  Yeah.

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  And the guy that picked me up was like, I got picked up in a limo, and it was like a speaking event in Oklahoma. Sorry, it was Oklahoma. It was Oklahoma City, and I'm like, oh, this is going to be kind of crazy to go see Oklahoma City. And he picked me up in a limo, and he's like, yeah, I have to go back to work. I'm like, oh, aren't you the driver? He's like, no, I'm a mortician.

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  You're like, I'm alive.

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  They use for funerals. And he was a mortician on the, with a side gig.

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  What the hell?

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  Yeah, picking up famous people. Eh, maybe not that famous.

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  That's a side hustle.

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  That's pretty cool.

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  Well, is it, yeah?

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  That's pretty good.

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  Two truths and a lie, you know? It's good for you.

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  That's good. Yeah, I like that.

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  Yeah.

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  What's the other thing people would be surprised about that you see as you open a body?

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  That everything looks the same color, for the most part, except your gallbladder. It's green.

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  Ew.

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  Yeah.

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  Look at that. Here on Morbid, you learn something every episode.

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  You sure do.

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  I think people think they're all different colors, because in like an anatomy book, all the organs are like different colors. No, they're all just like muddy.

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  One big splash of brown. Like, if you had a, like, what color, what, what pantone is the inside of your guts?

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  That's a good question.

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  It's.

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  Can I get a pantone chart?

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  Yeah, I was gonna say.

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  Pantone chart?

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  It's like a putrid.

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  Ew, that's a terrible word, first of all.

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  It's, I mean.

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  It's putrid mauvey.

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  Mauvey?

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  Muddy mauvey.

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  Oh, yeah, like a, like a, like a ugly eggplant?

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  Yeah, like a really like.

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  Can you imagine walking into somebody's brand-new kitchen? I'm like, oh, I love the.

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  Putrid eggplant.

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  Let me ask you another question.

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  Ask away.

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  When you cut open a head.

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  What's it smell like?

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  What's it smell like? Here's the problem. I have a deviated septum, so I was, it was the best job for me because I can't smell very well. So it smells the same as everything else. It tastes, actually the smell, the smell tastes like something, though. The smell stays in your throat, so it feels like later you can taste it.

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  What does it taste like?

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  It's a, well, a lot of times you'll get like a chemically taste because of everything in the room, but it's also a sewery kind of taste.

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  Hate.

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  That's the best way I can describe it. That's the best way I can describe it.

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  You did this. We weren't going to talk about any of that.

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  We were not going to do this.

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  Well, I am not interested in talking about me at all.

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  That's a problem.

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  I'd much rather talk about true crimes, and that's what you guys are known for.

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  Yeah.

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  It is what we're known for.

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  That's why I'm here.

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  That's a conflict of interest.

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  Okay, let me ask Kay, do you have a couple of questions?

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  Of course you can.

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  By the way, I very much want to host a podcast someday.

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  You're, you can host this one.

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  Yeah.

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  No, in general, like I want to.

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  You should.

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  Create.

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  Do it.

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  Own a podcast.

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  Hell, yeah.

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  Yeah, and you guys are super popular. They're like, you want to do Morbid? I'm like, I don't know what that is.

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  Matthew Lillard.

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  You're not that popular then.

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  I'm not a podcast, podcast guy.

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  Yeah.

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  And if I do, it's usually politically based. But I'm just not that guy.

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  Now you can listen to Morbid.

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  I'm really, I like, first of all, I've been here eight minutes. I love you both.

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  Oh, my God, thank you. We love you.

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  I really like the two of you.

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  We loved you when you walked in.

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  You did?

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  Yeah.

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  It's true.

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  You were immediately disarming. Well, you never know what to expect when you meet someone. Sometimes it's awkward. Immediately, you were just like, hey, let's hang.

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  Yeah, I do think that celebrities sometimes are.

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  Oh, I don't know if it's intentional, but intentionally aloof.

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  Yeah.

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  Or they, they just sort of like, I, I, yeah, I have lots of thoughts about that. I got, what do you guys want to talk about?

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  We're gonna talk about Carrie.

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  Oh, great. I love it.

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  And everything else that you've done too.

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  Yeah.

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  Not everything, but a lot of stuff.

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  Yeah, we would be here for days if we talked about everything.

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  There's a lot. When you like, start really looking into the, the amount of stuff I've done, it's crazy.

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  It's bonkers.

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  Yeah.

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  But we'll start with Carrie.

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  It's really shitty.

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  You were in Summer Catch.

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  I rest my guess.

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  Billy Brubaker, she's all that.

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  There's lots of them.

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  The dance scene, we actually don't have anything about the dance scene in here and I have to just address it.

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  Yeah.

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  I love that.

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  And that's it, just the dance scene.

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  Yeah.

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  Yeah.

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  I love that scene.

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  It's funny, people always ask me, like, is, was that improvised?

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  I was gonna ask you that.

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  Yeah, nothing in Hollywood's improvised.

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  That makes sense.

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  Like, that whole thing took, you know, weeks to practice.

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  Choreograph.

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  And then every one of those shots takes like, you know, 45 minutes to set up. So nothing is like...

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  It looked like you were just flowing.

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  Do you still know that dance?

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  Watch this shit.

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  Let's see it. Let's like do it right now. Everybody clear space.

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  Hit it, Bob!

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  I'm like, we actually queued up the song.

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  I mean, I, I'm sure I could watch it and immediately fall right back into it. I love dancing. I actually really love to dance.

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  You're great at it. Yeah. You are.

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  Thanks.

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  That's a great scene. You're welcome.

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  You're welcome. All right, let's talk about Carrie.

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  Yeah, great. Okay, perfect.

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  So, we're gonna start with talking about how, I've heard that this version of Carrie is way closer to the Stephen King novel version.

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  You guys haven't seen it, huh?

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  We just started watching it. I watched the first episode last night.

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  Oh, good.

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  And can I just say something right now? So, the Carrie.

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  Yeah.

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  The girl who plays Carrie looks like, so I have 10 year old twins and a seven year old. She looks like an older version of one of my twins.

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  Oh.

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  And she also like, acts like her, like has the same mannerisms.

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  She has the same facial expressions.

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  Watching her, that close up of her when she's like agonized in the locker room shattered.

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  Oh, I sobbed.

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  Like, I am done. I was like, I don't even know if I sobbed.

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  Oh, you did?

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  Yeah.

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  Like the bullying scenes with her, she killed me.

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  No, that just made me so hap- that just, I don't know, that made me like emotional.

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  Yeah.

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  I am so proud of the show.

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  You should be. It's incredible.

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  It's very little to do with me. But, that, the, the woman that plays Carrie, her name's Summer H. Howell, and she is, uh, they auditioned 1,400 girls.

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  Wow.

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  Women. And they found, the system worked, and it's like one of those things that the system never works. She submitted a tape, a month later, like she submitted another tape, two months later, she submitted another tape, and then she started to catch fire, and then she did her last audition with Mike, and then she's like, oh, and she told the story this morning, um, she's like, I finally, I'm finally done. No, she, no, she auditioned one last time, like this is going to Mike, and she's like, okay, good, I've got the weekend off, I may hear something on Monday.

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  Mm-hmm.

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  And 20 minutes later, she's pulling herself a bath, and Mike Flanagan called back.

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  My god, stop.

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  I want you to do it again right now, and I want you to find emotion in these scenes.

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  She found it. She did.

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  And she did it, and like, on April 1st, she got the job.

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  Oh my god.

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  Imagine getting that job offer on April 1st.

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  I was just gonna say, I'd be so nervous. Are you sure?

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  I'd be like, don't fuck with me.

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  She is simply remarkable.

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  Yeah.

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  She is effortlessly.

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  Yeah.

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  Brilliant, the entire show.

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  It comes across, even just in the first episode.

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  Yeah.

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  Every facial expression she makes when she's just like unsure and agonized, and like people aren't telling her what's going on, I was like, it was like destroying me.

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  And the idea that you don't know you're having your period.

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  Yes.

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  And the idea that you immediately go to, I am done.

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  Yeah, no one's ever told you about it.

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  Right, you know, here is this blood.

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  Yeah.

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  I mean, it's, it's really, it's, and the thing I just want to say, that I, you know, this idea that she makes faces

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  Mm-hmm.

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  is not what she's doing. She has zero conception of what she's doing.

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  It's just what's happened naturally. It's so real.

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  An actor in flow, an actor who's a really brilliant actor, has zero consideration what's happening.

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  It's just like organic.

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  They're just like, they're just responding, they're here listening and responding, and the energy is contagious, right?

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  You can see that with her.

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  And she's remarkable. And then, at the same time, Sam Sloyan, who plays her mother.

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  Oh my god.

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  Oh. As you continue through this journey, you're gonna be like, this woman is, is literally one of the best actors working today, and has been for a long time, just nobody sees it.

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  Mm-hmm.

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  And here comes her performance of a lifetime, and my hope is that, if for no other reason, you should watch this show for their two performances, because as the show grows, the story continues to evolve, the story's brilliant, Mike Flanagan is an incredible filmmaker, but these two performances are remarkable.

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  No, they're so, so good.

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  Cause she plays Beverly in Midnight Mass.

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  Incredible.

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  And Midnight Mass is one of my favorites.

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  Midnight Mass, that's how I found Mike. Mike and I had lunch, got along great, he's like, I'm like, what, and I'm, I told him, I'll be honest with you, I don't know any of your work, what do you think I should watch? He's like, try Midnight Mass.

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  Oh, I love that, cause that's my favorite.

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  I haven't seen it yet, but we're gonna, we're gonna watch it together.

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  And she plays a character, and in fact, because Ash watched Carrie for, like, the first episode first, and she was like, waiting to see her mother, her mother is the perfect, like perfectly cast. And as soon as she said it, she was like, oh my god, she just embodies it, and I was like, I wonder if it's the woman who played Bev in Midnight Mass, like I just knew it, I was like, it sounds like it, and I looked it up and I was like, yep, that was her, I knew it was her.

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  You know what's funny? We went to Comic Con for the first time, San Diego Comic Con. If you've never been to Comic Con, it's like this, have you guys done Comic Con?

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  We have.

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  You should.

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  I know, I kinda watched it.

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  I would love to.

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  Next year, check out Weirdos, come check out the podcast at Comic Con, it's gonna be awesome.

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  We'll be there.

• 15:33Speaker 02

  We're gonna do a live show, it's gonna be fab.

• 15:35Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 15:37Speaker 02

  The, she, her and Mike had never done Comic Con.

• 15:40Speaker 01

  Really?

• 15:40Speaker 02

  And when we came out, we had a hall age, we had a massive hall, I don't think we did a hall age, it was, we had a huge hall.

• 15:45Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 15:46Speaker 02

  And it was packed, and both Mike and Sam were met with this fervor.

• 15:52Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, as they should.

• 15:53Speaker 02

  That, I mean, Mike understands it, but I don't think Sam's ever really heard that firsthand.

• 15:57Speaker 00

  Right.

• 15:58Speaker 02

  And they showed, it was the first time they screened like a clip, scenes, it was awesome.

• 16:02Speaker 01

  That's so cool.

• 16:03Speaker 02

  It was awesome, and I loved them both.

• 16:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:05Speaker 02

  Um, and so, it's been great to see her get her flowers.

• 16:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:09Speaker 00

  Definitely.

• 16:09Speaker 01

  And I love Mike Flanagan.

• 16:11Speaker 00

  I know.

• 16:11Speaker 01

  I was so excited that he had this, like he was in control of this, I was like, oh, it's gonna be good.

• 16:15Speaker 02

  I want you to know something, he is better than you think. Like, I love Mike Flanagan, like, oh, you're actually incredible.

• 16:22Speaker 01

  Oh, that makes me so happy.

• 16:24Speaker 02

  So, I gotta tell you something, I don't know if it's gonna land, and I don't know if it'll land with the podcast world, but we show up, first of all, you never have rehearsal, first of all, does anyone care about this? If I talk about Carrie for one more second?

• 16:36Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 16:36Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, we have plenty more.

• 16:37Speaker 01

  Please go.

• 16:39Speaker 02

  If it gets boring, just cut it.

• 16:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:41Speaker 02

  Ladies and gentlemen, there's a good chance you're never gonna see this because I'm a boring, boring man.

• 16:46Speaker 00

  No way.

• 16:47Speaker 02

  Um, so, yeah, so, you never, so many times that you do a TV show, you'll get your script, you'll get the pilot, you'll read that as you go into the work, like, you know, two days before you're starting to shoot the next episode, along comes the next script. When we signed up, we had all eight scripts.

• 17:01Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 17:02Speaker 02

  When we got there, we had, we had three and a half week, a month of rehearsal before the start of Carrie. The first time we walked into rehearsal, Mike Flanagan said, all right, we're gonna do these scenes. The idea here is that you get to know each other, but we get to them on this, we get these scenes on their feet. He's like, okay, in this scene, like we, the first time we work, he's like, we're gonna shoot it on this day. The time that we're gonna shoot it is between this time and this time. On this, on these first five lines, I'm gonna be on this take, and then I'm gonna reverse here. You're gonna be sitting there, and I'm gonna, and then these lines, I'm gonna be on her. And then these lines are gonna be in a wide, so he already knows.

• 17:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:41Speaker 02

  Where it lives in the cut, at what time he's gonna shoot it, on what day, five months before we shoot, a month before we shoot a single frame.

• 17:53Speaker 00

  Wow, I heard there was an app too, that you could...

• 17:55Speaker 02

  Yes, and so he literally published an app, so you could see every day where you were.

• 18:01Speaker 01

  That is incredible.

• 18:01Speaker 00

  That's like next level.

• 18:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:03Speaker 00

  I feel like more people need to do that, right?

• 18:05Speaker 02

  Well, nobody has, nobody has that capacity. I've never seen anything like that in my life.

• 18:10Speaker 00

  Why do you think he does?

• 18:12Speaker 02

  Because he starts, did I just hold your hand?

• 18:14Speaker 01

  You did, for a second.

• 18:16Speaker 00

  Moral support.

• 18:17Speaker 02

  That's, uh, because he starts, how long do you think, we're gonna hold hands before this gets uncomfortable?

• 18:22Speaker 01

  Just the whole time.

• 18:23Speaker 00

  Let's try it.

• 18:23Speaker 01

  We'll just have to scroll together.

• 18:25Speaker 02

  Listen, this is gonna be like...

• 18:27Speaker 02

  Um, he, I lost my train of thought. It's been a long time since I've held a stranger's hand.

• 18:34Speaker 01

  You got dazzled.

• 18:35Speaker 02

  This got awkward.

• 18:36Speaker 01

  Stroker hair too, you know?

• 18:37Speaker 02

  So awkward.

• 18:38Speaker 00

  You guys, you were sitting close, it was about to happen.

• 18:40Speaker 01

  It was gonna, it was gonna bomb.

• 18:41Speaker 02

  But yeah, but you never, you never have that kind of, I've never seen. I'm sure maybe it happened somewhere else. I'm gonna get all this hate mail like, Christopher Nolan has it seven years in advance. He's done it for the sequel to-

• 18:54Speaker 00

  He did it first.

• 18:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Um, but he's remarkable and kind and he lays down these rules. The rules are no phones on set, don't be late and no sides. A lot of times actors come to set and they'll have their sides and there's like this safety net. He's like, that's not what we do here.

• 19:10Speaker 01

  Oh, I like that.

• 19:11Speaker 02

  Come and you're ready to work.

• 19:12Speaker 00

  He's like, this is not a middle school dance. You can't be on sides.

• 19:16Speaker 02

  We did a, um, we did this huge scene where we're, there's like 400 extras and there's, I have a speech in front of this community and no sides, which is like, you know, you're nervous. Your body, your instrument's responding and your adrenaline's rushing and you're like, you know, sometimes things just slip out.

• 19:36Speaker 00

  Yeah. That happens to you?

• 19:39Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah.

• 19:40Speaker 00

  I'm just kidding.

• 19:41Speaker 01

  What? What do you mean? What?

• 19:44Speaker 02

  I'm very old. Things slip out all the time.

• 19:46Speaker 00

  I'm only 30 and that happens to me too. So.

• 19:48Speaker 01

  As soon as I hit 40, that really started happening. So.

• 19:51Speaker 00

  Yeah. You've never really had a filter.

• 19:52Speaker 01

  No.

• 19:53Speaker 00

  It's enough thing.

• 19:55Speaker 01

  From birth.

• 19:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 19:56Speaker 01

  Well, staying on Carrie, because first of all, again, I love Mike Flanagan. So I'm so happy to hear that he's who I thought he was, like who I pictured him in my head. So I was reading that you also have like a somewhat personal connection to some of the struggles that Carrie might go through with her peers.

• 20:13Speaker 02

  Sure. I had my period. I didn't know what it was.

• 20:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. That's, I want to talk about that. I want to know about that.

• 20:18Speaker 00

  Locker rooms are tough, right?

• 20:19Speaker 01

  But what resonated most for you?

• 20:21Speaker 02

  Oh my God, are you talking about? I'm like, I was an obese teenager who has severe learning disability. I had braces and glasses. I came from Detroit, Michigan to Orange County, California.

• 20:32Speaker 00

  Damn, that's a tough transition.

• 20:34Speaker 02

  And I was this fat kid who was in drama. I mean, the amount of F bombs I caught.

• 20:39Speaker 01

  Oh my God.

• 20:39Speaker 02

  Yes. How many F bombs you catch in the mid eighties about being an actor?

• 20:44Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 20:45Speaker 02

  You know, and listen.

• 20:47Speaker 00

  I'll fight them for you. I'll retroactively fight them.

• 20:50Speaker 02

  You know, it's funny. I had, it's not like I didn't have friends. I had a ton of friends, but all my friends were those little punk rock kids and drama kids and all these kids that were sort of outside of the popular bubble. And I've always seen myself, I think that once you're, you know, once you struggle with weight, especially as a kid, you always identify as that. You know, and my mom and dad worked full time. My dad started his own business and they just worked. And so we were raised on a steady diet of fast food and crap that we ate because we were poor, working class poor and no time and no energy. And my mom and dad were both obese from Detroit.

• 21:36Speaker 02

  And so, you know, it was a brutal experience, but that allowed me to find my voice, to be funny, to find a charm, because how do you pass a class if you can't do it? You charm the shit out of everyone. You make, how do you not get your ass kicked? You're funnier than the guy next to you who's getting his ass kicked.

• 21:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:58Speaker 02

  You know, and so, you know, it was survival.

• 22:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:01Speaker 00

  That's all high school is, is survival.

• 22:03Speaker 01

  Yeah. I feel like junior high is like.

• 22:05Speaker 00

  Junior high is worse. I think especially for girls.

• 22:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, I do think that, I mean, I, you know, listen, I have two kids. I have a, you know, I have three kids. I have a girl who's now 24. I have a non-binary kid who's 21 and then an 18-year-old boy. So I've seen like every iteration of this like story, like.

• 22:26Speaker 00

  And it continues.

• 22:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's, it's hard for everyone. I do, I think that boys have more bravado to cover the suffering.

• 22:32Speaker 00

  That makes sense.

• 22:32Speaker 02

  And they have sports to like, sort of like, but I, you know, it's there.

• 22:36Speaker 00

  It's a struggle for all of us.

• 22:38Speaker 02

  It's a struggle for everyone.

• 22:39Speaker 01

  It really is.

• 22:40Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, going back to Mike Flanagan, he takes this.

• 22:42Speaker 02

  Do you think that that is why some of the reason that you found this podcast world like?

• 22:49Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 22:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:50Speaker 00

  I think partially, because we always say you're the table or we're the table that anybody can sit at.

• 22:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:55Speaker 00

  And that's why we call our listeners weirdos, you know, like it's like a place where we can all fit in and talk about weird topics without shame, you know?

• 23:02Speaker 01

  You don't have to feel weird here.

• 23:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, that's why, oh, that's why I'm here.

• 23:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's why you like us.

• 23:08Speaker 01

  You fit in.

• 23:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, I immediately like you. I only like one of you, but I'm not gonna tell you which one.

• 23:13Speaker 01

  I think I know which one.

• 23:15Speaker 00

  I think I don't.

• 23:16Speaker 02

  Oh no, I mean, no, I like you, I adore you both. Yeah, I don't like that fucking guy. I don't know who that guy is.

• 23:24Speaker 00

  That's Mikey. Everybody loves Mikey.

• 23:26Speaker 02

  Violence in his heart. I see him.

• 23:28Speaker 00

  He's from Canada. No, he doesn't.

• 23:30Speaker 02

  He's Canadian?

• 23:31Speaker 00

  He's from Canada. There's no violence in his heart.

• 23:34Speaker 02

  I, he, yeah.

• 23:35Speaker 00

  What about that guy? Can't read him yet. He's a film guy, so.

• 23:41Speaker 02

  He knows.

• 23:41Speaker 01

  He is a film guy.

• 23:43Speaker 02

  You know what it is? He's very smart and I don't like those kind of people. I can see, look at his glasses. I see your glasses.

• 23:51Speaker 00

  These are off-camera. You can't see them, but you know them.

• 23:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know them.

• 23:56Speaker 02

  Uh, I like that. You're also very successful.

• 23:59Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 24:00Speaker 02

  But I think that that's, and I, and I think that's because you welcome everyone to the table.

• 24:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, we try. I think so, yeah.

• 24:05Speaker 01

  I think, and, and I think it's important to build other people up.

• 24:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 24:09Speaker 01

  You can't get up to the top if you're like kicking everyone else down on the way up. I think more people need to do that.

• 24:15Speaker 00

  Yeah. I think especially as women again.

• 24:18Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 24:18Speaker 00

  We need to do that. Yeah.

• 24:20Speaker 02

  Why especially as women? In fact, I would say, I would argue especially men should stop kicking people down.

• 24:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:27Speaker 02

  Right? I mean.

• 24:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, should stop kicking people down. I think women.

• 24:30Speaker 02

  Stop kicking people, period.

• 24:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, just stop kicking. Stop it. Just stop it. But I think as women, we put each other down a lot.

• 24:36Speaker 01

  You know, I think we need to be more like, hey, like come be at the top with me.

• 24:40Speaker 00

  Yeah. There's no competition. We can all be here.

• 24:43Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, the, the world is bountiful.

• 24:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:46Speaker 02

  That was one of the things I always struggled with. I've been talking about this like in this last cycle of press with Carrie. Um, I mean, I lived with Paul Rudd for two years.

• 24:55Speaker 01

  That's wild. That's so cool.

• 24:56Speaker 02

  You didn't know that?

• 24:57Speaker 01

  That's a wild thing to be able to say.

• 24:58Speaker 02

  No, I was, I mean, we were both in the same acting school and we were, we had three roommates. It's him and I and this guy named Dalton Grant. But I was for the longest time so jealous of his success.

• 25:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 25:11Speaker 02

  That it really was hard. It really hindered my own appreciation or joy of my own success. That I always compared myself.

• 25:20Speaker 01

  At the comparison.

• 25:21Speaker 02

  And at the end of the day, it was so detrimental.

• 25:24Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 25:25Speaker 02

  To my mental health, to my approach to the work. I mean, it was really brutal. He has no idea.

• 25:31Speaker 00

  Well, now he does.

• 25:32Speaker 01

  Right now.

• 25:32Speaker 02

  No, he's, he's still better.

• 25:33Speaker 00

  Is Paul Rudd listening?

• 25:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's listening right now.

• 25:35Speaker 02

  But he's so lovely and so nice and like, but I was like so jealous. I'm so jealous and so insecure.

• 25:43Speaker 01

  We've all been there.

• 25:44Speaker 00

  But then once you realize that, you can move on from it.

• 25:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can break out of it.

• 25:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:48Speaker 00

  And at least you realize it in the next one.

• 25:50Speaker 02

  That's why I'm talking about it, I think. I feel like the older I get, the more I can let go of like my own, you know, idiosyncratic, like bullshit.

• 26:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:01Speaker 00

  I turned 30 this year and I feel like I'm etching or stepping closer to like not really caring what other people think.

• 26:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, wait till you get to 50.

• 26:09Speaker 00

  She says, wait till you get to 40.

• 26:10Speaker 01

  Forty was awesome.

• 26:12Speaker 02

  50 is like, I mean, what do I, what do I care? Why do I care?

• 26:15Speaker 00

  I can't imagine how that must feel.

• 26:17Speaker 02

  But I also think that it's not like a F you world. It's really, there you grow. I do, and I like this word a lot and I say it a lot. When I teach and when I speak about acting and craft, I love the word wisdom. Like you have a sense of wisdom. You just don't have it at 30.

• 26:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:36Speaker 02

  And I'm not, you don't, you don't have it at, you know, maybe you do. I, I, who am I to say if people find wisdom? Or they, or own their own wisdom. But for me, I was like around 50, I was like, it seems, it sounds arrogant. Like I'm, I have, I have a wisdom about me.

• 26:58Speaker 00

  I don't think so.

• 26:59Speaker 02

  But I've been acting since I was 14.

• 27:03Speaker 00

  And you've been a lot of different people.

• 27:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've done a lot of different things. I've done a lot of classes and a lot of plays and a lot of everything.

• 27:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:10Speaker 02

  But at some point you like, it really helped me to sort of acknowledge the fact like, oh, I'm a master of what I do.

• 27:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:17Speaker 02

  Only because of the amount of time, you know? Not the quality, which we'll get into as we discuss my filmography. But you know, you, you learn over time. Like you have a sense of, of yourself and the craft and the business and the journey and the whole thing.

• 27:33Speaker 01

  And it always feels like arrogance, but I think more people need to give themselves a pat on the back when they're.

• 27:38Speaker 00

  It's confidence.

• 27:38Speaker 01

  When you like figure out like, you know what? I am good at this. Or like, I do know more about this.

• 27:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:43Speaker 01

  Like it's okay to admit that.

• 27:44Speaker 02

  Oh no, it's not that though.

• 27:45Speaker 01

  But it's okay to admit that.

• 27:46Speaker 02

  I know, but yeah.

• 27:47Speaker 01

  It feels weird because we're taught, I think, not to do that a lot.

• 27:51Speaker 02

  To be humble.

• 27:52Speaker 00

  Yeah. And I don't think you really need to be that humble.

• 27:54Speaker 01

  Admitting that you're good at this thing and being like, you know what? I know this stuff. Like that's good.

• 27:58Speaker 02

  And I will say this, I have such deep tendencies and Mike Flanagan will see this and Sam Sloyan will someday see this. But I have such deep tendencies to slag myself off. Right? This idea like I, I am self-deprecating to a fault.

• 28:16Speaker 00

  Oh, yes. I am the same exact way.

• 28:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I want to say to you and to me, that so does not serve.

• 28:22Speaker 00

  No, it doesn't. No, it doesn't.

• 28:23Speaker 02

  It doesn't serve you at all because the bullshit you say to yourself sticks.

• 28:26Speaker 00

  No, you're so right.

• 28:27Speaker 02

  And this idea that I call myself fat constantly is like, or I'm an outsider, I'm, I mean, all this language is so stupid.

• 28:35Speaker 01

  Cause it trains your brain to believe it.

• 28:36Speaker 00

  I was just gonna say that.

• 28:37Speaker 02

  Do you see that when you crack open a head?

• 28:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can see it written all over everything.

• 28:43Speaker 00

  Etched in your brain. Well, I even think like the beginning of this podcast to now, I used to make fun of myself so much more often in the beginning. I used to call myself trash in the beginning. And I do, I'm still a little trash. Yeah. Cause I'm, my name is Ash, so I'm like, can't spell trash with an Ash. And I like, like a Captain Crunch Slurpee. So like.

• 29:00Speaker 02

  What, don't you, what? You keep your mouth shut.

• 29:04Speaker 00

  You just don't, you don't want to know about that.

• 29:06Speaker 02

  Dare.

• 29:06Speaker 00

  I mean, you can get them.

• 29:08Speaker 01

  You can. I have not had one, but.

• 29:11Speaker 00

  She said, I see what that says to your inside. What's that?

• 29:15Speaker 02

  Oh, I thought you said, I look like a Slurpee. I thought you said, I'm almost deaf. I thought you'd talk, I thought you said, I look like a Burger King Slurpee or whatever you said.

• 29:26Speaker 00

  I thought you were just excited. I said, I used to drink Captain Crunch Slurpees.

• 29:32Speaker 02

  I thought you said, I look like a Captain Crunch Slurpee. And I was like, you never talk about you that way. I don't know either, but it doesn't sound good.

• 29:42Speaker 00

  No, it doesn't.

• 29:43Speaker 02

  You should never call yourself that.

• 29:45Speaker 01

  I've never compared myself to that.

• 29:47Speaker 02

  Come on.

• 29:49Speaker 00

  How do I recover from that?

• 29:51Speaker 02

  What have I, I was like, you do kinda look like a slopie.

• 29:54Speaker 00

  I'd be like, well, Matthew Lillard, I guess I know which one you like.

• 29:57Speaker 02

  Oh, see, why don't you leave, thank you. Excuse me, violence, get this man out.

• 30:02Speaker 00

  Excuse me, violence. I'm crying.

• 30:06Speaker 02

  Let's bring it back to me.

• 30:07Speaker 00

  All right, let's bring it back to you. I want your opinion on something.

• 30:11Speaker 02

  Is this the most chaotic podcast you've ever had?

• 30:14Speaker 01

  Yes, it's great.

• 30:15Speaker 00

  But I'm having a good time.

• 30:17Speaker 01

  We expected nothing less.

• 30:18Speaker 02

  The weirdest would be like, I hate Matthew Lillard.

• 30:20Speaker 00

  No, cry and like laugh cry, that's good.

• 30:22Speaker 02

  Have you ever, anything on this podcast ever made you cry?

• 30:25Speaker 01

  Yes, the Chris Watts case.

• 30:27Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 30:27Speaker 02

  The what case?

• 30:29Speaker 01

  The Chris Watts case. He, it was more recent, I probably will if I think about it.

• 30:33Speaker 00

  I know, he's like a family annihilator.

• 30:35Speaker 01

  He's a family annihilator and he had two very young daughters.

• 30:38Speaker 00

  And a pregnant wife.

• 30:39Speaker 02

  It's so.

• 30:40Speaker 01

  And I cry, and I'm not a crier.

• 30:42Speaker 02

  I don't know how you.

• 30:43Speaker 00

  We'll bring you down.

• 30:43Speaker 01

  It's tough. And I'm not a crier, usually like, I, I say that, like, I should cry more.

• 30:49Speaker 00

  You're just stopping yourself from crying.

• 30:50Speaker 01

  I just stop myself from crying.

• 30:51Speaker 02

  Well, don't you think that that?

• 30:53Speaker 01

  It's not good.

• 30:54Speaker 02

  Is, don't you, I mean, when you're cutting people up?

• 30:57Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 30:58Speaker 02

  Like something, you've got to detach, there's gotta be some kind of emotional detachment.

• 31:02Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 31:02Speaker 00

  And you're a harp chord.

• 31:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:04Speaker 02

  That does not serve.

• 31:05Speaker 01

  No, cuz then I take it into my life.

• 31:07Speaker 02

  I mean, I will say this, as an actor, for better or for worse, you remove the barriers for energy that is emotion.

• 31:13Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 31:14Speaker 02

  And I have had to apologize to my children, my wife, multiple times for being, when I get angry, I get really.

• 31:23Speaker 01

  Cuz you just let it flow.

• 31:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, it's not, I'm like, I don't, it's, I just, the energy comes screaming out.

• 31:32Speaker 00

  You don't bury emotions.

• 31:33Speaker 02

  I don't bury emotions. But also, within that, I love with all of my heart, I laugh really hard.

• 31:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:40Speaker 02

  I enjoy people deeply. Like, I mean, there's lots of good things. And in the work, the older I get, the, the closer I am to the energy, which makes me, you know, I think is, it serves my work.

• 31:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:54Speaker 02

  But there have been times in my life where I just.

• 31:56Speaker 00

  Not so much.

• 31:57Speaker 02

  Not so much.

• 31:58Speaker 01

  Too much.

• 31:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:59Speaker 02

  Too much energy.

• 31:59Speaker 01

  And I'm the opposite side, where I have to like apologize for not being emotional enough.

• 32:04Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, that's hard. I think that's way, I think that's way harder.

• 32:07Speaker 00

  But you're getting better.

• 32:09Speaker 01

  I'm trying.

• 32:09Speaker 00

  I think.

• 32:10Speaker 01

  When somebody cries in front of me, I literally don't know what to do.

• 32:13Speaker 00

  And I cry a lot.

• 32:13Speaker 01

  That shuts me right down.

• 32:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, I have a friend of mine who called me up, he's a lovely man, and I adore him. And he called me up, he's like, I have a problem. I'm like, what? He's like, when people get emotional around me, I laugh. He's like, what acting tricks do you have?

• 32:30Speaker 01

  I also will do that sometimes cuz I get uncomfortable.

• 32:32Speaker 02

  Tricks do I have, do you have that help me do it? I'm like, first of all, you have to acknowledge you're doing it.

• 32:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:38Speaker 02

  Right? Like, and just, and I think that in that acknowledgement, you have to say, I'm really sorry. And when I get uncomfortable, I laugh, and it's just energy.

• 32:46Speaker 01

  That's pretty much what I do.

• 32:47Speaker 02

  Your body going, I want to cry, but instead I'm going to laugh.

• 32:50Speaker 01

  Cuz this is easier for me to, I can pick this up quicker.

• 32:54Speaker 02

  And all of the things that inhibit your crying are really deep things.

• 33:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:01Speaker 02

  Because it's about.

• 33:03Speaker 00

  It's your nervous system.

• 33:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it's also like, I don't wanna cry because I'm weak, I don't wanna be weak, I don't like, all kinds of stigmas.

• 33:10Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 33:11Speaker 02

  Are translating that in your mind.

• 33:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:13Speaker 01

  Cuz you're always telling me, if I like go to, I'll like stop myself, and she's like, will you just let it out? Like, let it cry, you're swallowing it. I'm like, no, not.

• 33:20Speaker 00

  And then you're getting it buried in there.

• 33:21Speaker 02

  You know what you do in that situation? Just make a sound.

• 33:24Speaker 01

  Just, yeah, that's true.

• 33:25Speaker 00

  Oh, I like that.

• 33:25Speaker 02

  If you make a sound, all your, uh, it's, like, sing a song.

• 33:30Speaker 01

  That would stress me out.

• 33:31Speaker 00

  I don't think I've ever heard you sing.

• 33:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:34Speaker 00

  She's not a singer.

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• 37:08Speaker 02

  Where are we? What? How the hell are we, what the hell are we talking about?

• 37:12Speaker 01

  How did we get here?

• 37:13Speaker 00

  I know. Let's bring us back to Carrie for a minute.

• 37:15Speaker 01

  All right, we'll go back.

• 37:15Speaker 00

  All right, so we're gonna talk about your guy, Mike Flynn, again. He took this story.

• 37:18Speaker 02

  This is a seven-part episode here on.

• 37:21Speaker 00

  We can use it for a couple of episodes. No, we can do a two-parter, you know?

• 37:24Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 37:24Speaker 00

  But Mike took this, this story that's almost 50 years old, and he kind of takes this modern approach to it, like, modernized social media, the high school you're walking in through metal detectors. What part of that modernization felt the most scary to you as the story goes on?

• 37:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, it's, I think that every parent out there or kid will be able to identify with, with the horrors that is this specter of social media.

• 37:52Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 37:53Speaker 02

  Right? I mean, again, going back to this example that we used, which is in the first Palma

• 38:00Speaker 02

  version of Carrie, you know, having your first period amongst girls in the shower is a brutal experience. The fact that that would then be photographed and videoed and then placed online for social media for people to see.

• 38:16Speaker 00

  Forever.

• 38:17Speaker 02

  Forever, and it never goes away. And that, the horror of that, the impact of that, the, um, the damage that would do to kids.

• 38:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:27Speaker 02

  And listen, every, there's so many kids out there that have this horrific experience that, you know, is, is really.

• 38:36Speaker 02

  Horrific. It's really horrible. And so to me, that's the thing that, and that is the, you know, sort of the fulcrum of the whole piece. Once this social media, anonymous social media post goes up, the whole story changes.

• 38:51Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 38:51Speaker 02

  And it's actually, I mean, Mike Flanagan, there's a town in California, this actually happened. And the school, it was destroying the school. And it's an anonymous social media post. And the school's like, we can't do anything about it. They didn't know who the kids were that were doing it. They were outing people across and the whole community, like, there was a riot broke out. It's in California somewhere.

• 39:14Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 39:15Speaker 02

  And, and he was like, that is, that is a horror story.

• 39:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:20Speaker 02

  And so he's built this whole, the whole movie pivots on this anonymous social media account.

• 39:27Speaker 01

  Right. And it fits perfectly into the story, I feel like.

• 39:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:31Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Like plops right into it.

• 39:32Speaker 02

  Mike Flan, like, he went to Stephen King, who, he's visiting Stephen King today, actually.

• 39:36Speaker 01

  I'm so jealous.

• 39:37Speaker 00

  She, yeah, we need to get you to Stephen.

• 39:39Speaker 01

  So close to Stephen.

• 39:40Speaker 00

  We just sent Elena's books to Stephen.

• 39:42Speaker 01

  We have like one degree away.

• 39:44Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 39:44Speaker 01

  I'm getting there.

• 39:45Speaker 00

  Elena's also an author.

• 39:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:46Speaker 02

  Oh, amazing.

• 39:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:47Speaker 02

  That's cool.

• 39:48Speaker 01

  So he just got my books. And I was like, please read them.

• 39:51Speaker 02

  That's so cool.

• 39:52Speaker 00

  He's popping up in her life.

• 39:53Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah.

• 39:54Speaker 02

  Oh, you and I should talk about something.

• 39:56Speaker 01

  We should. I like that.

• 39:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, I have a, I have a spirit company called Find Familiar Spirits.

• 40:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:04Speaker 02

  We produce a product called Macabre Spirits.

• 40:07Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 40:08Speaker 02

  And we have a novella. We, we develop a novella with writers.

• 40:12Speaker 00

  That's so cool.

• 40:13Speaker 02

  We get art from these beautiful artists that sort of, they read the story and then they create the art. And then we create a spirit experience around the short story.

• 40:22Speaker 01

  I'm obsessed with that.

• 40:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'll send you a bottle.

• 40:25Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, I would love that.

• 40:25Speaker 00

  Oh, thank you.

• 40:26Speaker 02

  I'll send you a bottle.

• 40:27Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 40:27Speaker 01

  That's so cool.

• 40:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're welcome. Uh, so anyway, so Flanagan pulled social media out. To me, that's a horror. That's the, that's the true horror of the story.

• 40:38Speaker 00

  I think so, too. It's like its own character, you know?

• 40:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:41Speaker 00

  Well, you play Principal Grail, and he's one of the adults watching this all unfold. Do you think as the story progresses, he's somebody that genuinely sees Carrie and like, understands her? Or do you think he's somebody who ultimately ends up failing her? Or both?

• 40:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think he does here. I think he does everything he can in this moment to usher not only her through safely through this event, but the entire community. He's really trying to get, he doesn't want, he doesn't want to lose a single kid.

• 41:10Speaker 00

  Right.

• 41:10Speaker 02

  And at the heart of this story, the same way it's in the King novel and in all the iterations, is Chris Hargenson, um, played by Ally Thornton, who's fantastic. She's a brilliant actor. Um, she is the one that every, at every turn, keeps ratcheting up all these, um, all the drama in the story. And every single time, I'm like, you have to stop. This, my character is the one like basically begging her, I will get, I am going to reach my hand out again to try to pull you in, to take responsibility and to stop. And like, I think most administrators, he's hogtied. I mean, his hands are tied behind his back.

• 41:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:53Speaker 02

  You have a parent on one side that's like losing his mind.

• 41:56Speaker 00

  The school board.

• 41:57Speaker 02

  Like, you know, yeah, and all of these elements is like, he, you know, he just, he, he's, and he's, he's inert. He can't really affect any change. He's doing the best he can.

• 42:08Speaker 00

  That's gotta be wildly difficult.

• 42:11Speaker 01

  It's infuriating.

• 42:11Speaker 02

  Really hard. I mean, listen, I mean, it's, I think that the great thing about Flanagan is that there are no loose ends. There are no mistakes. There's nothing that you're like, where did that storyline go? It is so tight.

• 42:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:24Speaker 02

  That at the end of it, you're left with, um, you know, it's an allegory. I mean, it's, it's, the, the story is the question of like, do you choose kindness or cruelty?

• 42:35Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 42:36Speaker 02

  And at the end of it, our hope is that you're sitting around a kitchen table with friends, your family, whatever, with weirdos, and you are in deep conversation about what it means to be kind.

• 42:46Speaker 00

  One episode in, we are already having those conversations.

• 42:48Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 42:49Speaker 02

  Isn't that funny?

• 42:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:50Speaker 02

  I mean, I, I do think, here's the great news. I think people constantly ask, and they should, Stephen King, that's what my point was before, that I didn't make because I got lost in Macabre Spirits. Stephen King said to Mike, why? Why make it again? We've had five iterations of it.

• 43:10Speaker 01

  Which, valid question.

• 43:11Speaker 00

  I know, that's true.

• 43:12Speaker 02

  And Mike was like, here's my pitch. Social media is the new.

• 43:16Speaker 00

  It's perfect.

• 43:16Speaker 02

  And when you wrote this back in the seventies, and De Palma shot it in the seventies, nobody can know what the, the scourge of social media would be. And here's a brand new way to tell a story. It's not like kids are running around quoting De Palma's version.

• 43:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:31Speaker 02

  Uh, there's a whole new audience for it, and I think it's relevant. And eight episodes allows you to dig in.

• 43:36Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 43:37Speaker 02

  You know, you really get to see all these characters. And Stephen, to his credit, said, let's do it. That's the only way I'll do it.

• 43:43Speaker 00

  Really?

• 43:44Speaker 02

  And he, for the record, fucking loves it.

• 43:49Speaker 01

  Yes, that's what I heard.

• 43:50Speaker 02

  He loves, he watched it twice through.

• 43:52Speaker 01

  Which is such a huge compliment.

• 43:54Speaker 00

  I can't imagine receiving that compliment. Yeah.

• 43:56Speaker 01

  I feel like Carrie is, is one of the babies.

• 43:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, I mean, look, Carrie, for sure, it's his first novel.

• 44:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:01Speaker 02

  His wife pulled it out of the trash.

• 44:03Speaker 01

  Yes. I love that story.

• 44:04Speaker 02

  Um, yeah, yeah.

• 44:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:06Speaker 02

  And, uh, and he also loved Life of Chuck. I mean, he loves Mike, I think.

• 44:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:10Speaker 02

  I don't know, but I, I think it's.

• 44:12Speaker 01

  I think he does. I think he trusts him.

• 44:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, Mike Flanagan adores him.

• 44:16Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I think Mike, Mike takes care of his stories.

• 44:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, Mike says there's two, there's two ways to do a retelling of a story. You either guard each word, the Stephen, specifically around King. You either guard each word with your life and do the most earnest representation of what every single page says. Or you take each piece of the book apart and you put it together in a little different order with more behind it.

• 44:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:48Speaker 02

  And he's done both.

• 44:49Speaker 01

  Right.

• 44:49Speaker 02

  And he's the best.

• 44:53Speaker 01

  He's so good. Really is. Even Follow the House of Usher is so good, too.

• 44:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:56Speaker 00

  That's on my list to watch.

• 44:58Speaker 01

  That's a tough one. So that one was really good.

• 45:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:00Speaker 02

  Well, Life of Chuck is incredible. Like, if you haven't seen Life of Chuck, it's incredible.

• 45:04Speaker 01

  I was literally, I was just about to talk about Life of Chuck. You were so amazing in that movie. Like, it makes me cry when you can see, like, even just the screenshots of you in that movie are like, they really are.

• 45:17Speaker 02

  I'm really proud of it. I'm really proud of being in that movie.

• 45:19Speaker 01

  You should be.

• 45:20Speaker 02

  And I love that. It's two takes.

• 45:22Speaker 01

  And people loved you in that. Like, across the board, people were like, oh, my God.

• 45:26Speaker 00

  You were talking about it on the way in here.

• 45:28Speaker 02

  Yeah?

• 45:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, we literally were. And now with that, with Life of Chuck and Carrie, you're part of like the Stephen King universe now, too.

• 45:36Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah. I thought you were saying the Flanniverse.

• 45:39Speaker 01

  Well, you're, you're part of the Flanniverse, too.

• 45:40Speaker 02

  Flanniverse, yeah.

• 45:41Speaker 01

  So that, that's, that's actually crazy that you're part of both now.

• 45:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:45Speaker 00

  Those are massive universes.

• 45:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, those are big universes. Uh, but is there a Stephen King character that you would just like love to play?

• 45:56Speaker 02

  I mean.

• 45:59Speaker 01

  I have some ideas, so if you don't, yeah. That I'll pitch to you.

• 46:03Speaker 02

  Okay, I'll take any of them. I'm very slutty. I'll do any of that.

• 46:08Speaker 00

  We were just saying we love that word.

• 46:10Speaker 01

  We were just talking about how much we love that word.

• 46:12Speaker 00

  It's a good word.

• 46:13Speaker 01

  You know, Puritans used to use that word to just mean you, like, were untidy?

• 46:18Speaker 00

  Like you're a mess.

• 46:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, like your house was messy.

• 46:20Speaker 02

  Your house.

• 46:20Speaker 01

  So they were like, oh, that dumb slut has an ugly house.

• 46:23Speaker 02

  It's a great word. It has like a, it rings in your body.

• 46:27Speaker 00

  It does.

• 46:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, you can feel it.

• 46:29Speaker 01

  And it has a t at the end.

• 46:31Speaker 00

  That's very satisfactory.

• 46:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, it has all the good sounds.

• 46:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 46:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:34Speaker 02

  Um, yeah, I, I mean, look, Dark Tower is something that Mike Flanagan owns and is working towards producing one. And I would love to be in this world.

• 46:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think you would be a really good, I have three that I thought of for you.

• 46:49Speaker 00

  You have options.

• 46:50Speaker 01

  So I think, yeah, you can decide. Or you can play all of them.

• 46:52Speaker 02

  I'll be Grown Gage. As Gage gets older.

• 46:54Speaker 01

  There you go.

• 46:55Speaker 00

  There you go.

• 46:55Speaker 01

  Grown Gage.

• 46:56Speaker 00

  That could work.

• 46:56Speaker 01

  I like that. I think you could be Father Callahan.

• 46:59Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 47:00Speaker 01

  In Salem's Lot.

• 47:01Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 47:01Speaker 01

  You would be a good, like, scary priest. Like, who goes through a good arc. I think Leland from, Leland Gaunt from Needful Things.

• 47:11Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 47:12Speaker 01

  He's like a demonic antique.

• 47:14Speaker 02

  I don't know that one.

• 47:14Speaker 01

  So.

• 47:15Speaker 02

  Why is everyone playing evil? What is your problem?

• 47:17Speaker 01

  This one's fun, though. I think you, because he's also.

• 47:20Speaker 00

  The nicest people play the eerliest people.

• 47:21Speaker 01

  The other thing about him is he's very charming.

• 47:23Speaker 02

  Oh, he is?

• 47:23Speaker 01

  He has to charm an entire town.

• 47:25Speaker 00

  See, there you go.

• 47:26Speaker 01

  So he's like a demon who has to charm a whole town with his antique shop that gives them everything they want.

• 47:32Speaker 00

  Oh, and that's fun.

• 47:33Speaker 01

  But then he sows discord among them all.

• 47:35Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 47:35Speaker 01

  Like unbeknownst to them.

• 47:36Speaker 02

  Do you think it's a good movie?

• 47:38Speaker 01

  I, I think it would be in a fantastic movie.

• 47:40Speaker 02

  You do? Okay, good.

• 47:41Speaker 01

  The book is great. Yeah. And I think the third one.

• 47:44Speaker 00

  Finally.

• 47:45Speaker 01

  I think.

• 47:45Speaker 02

  Gunslinger?

• 47:47Speaker 01

  No.

• 47:47Speaker 02

  No.

• 47:48Speaker 01

  But sure. Try it. Go for it.

• 47:50Speaker 00

  Do whatever you need to do.

• 47:52Speaker 01

  I think you would be a good Jack Torrance.

• 47:54Speaker 02

  You do?

• 47:55Speaker 00

  But the book version, right?

• 47:56Speaker 01

  It to the book. Because I feel like Jack Torrance in the book has like an arc. Like, he is so likable for most of the movie. Like, you love him. Like, he's lovable. He's like, he's like kind of tortured, but he like wants to be good. So he's trying really hard and you kind of like root for him. And then he goes through the downfall and becomes really scary. And I think you could do that, like.

• 48:18Speaker 02

  Oh, good.

• 48:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. So we should pitch that.

• 48:21Speaker 02

  I.

• 48:22Speaker 00

  What do you think?

• 48:22Speaker 02

  Can we call Flanagan?

• 48:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, so if you're listening.

• 48:25Speaker 02

  Let's see if I got it, my phone.

• 48:27Speaker 01

  Grab The Shining next and redo it.

• 48:29Speaker 02

  I don't think he would ever touch The Shining.

• 48:32Speaker 01

  Probably not. I don't think anybody's gonna touch The Shining.

• 48:34Speaker 02

  You're the second person today to say you should play Jack Torrance.

• 48:38Speaker 01

  Really?

• 48:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, somebody else reasons.

• 48:40Speaker 00

  So maybe we're all manifesting.

• 48:41Speaker 01

  I think we're on to something here.

• 48:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I was like, you know, he's doing the movie ever again. Especially, I mean, maybe.

• 48:48Speaker 02

  He didn't love it, you know, King didn't love it.

• 48:50Speaker 01

  He didn't love it.

• 48:50Speaker 02

  I think that my hope is that as Stephen King gets older, that he will want to see the Dark Tower made.

• 48:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:58Speaker 02

  And he will put his powers to make it happen. The problem is that all these companies own all the IPs.

• 49:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:05Speaker 02

  And you really have to have an act of God to bring them all.

• 49:08Speaker 01

  I know, that gets messy.

• 49:09Speaker 02

  So. That's true.

• 49:10Speaker 01

  All right, well, we'll put you in.

• 49:11Speaker 02

  And I know we run a Stephen King podcast, this is pretty good. We do love King.

• 49:15Speaker 01

  We're gonna keep going with that. I think you should be Leland Gong then, for needful things. I think we should do that.

• 49:20Speaker 02

  Final answer.

• 49:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's my pitch.

• 49:21Speaker 02

  All right, we're gonna do a GoFundMe for the claymation version. The claymation version. That's how much money we're gonna make. It's crazy. I'll give you five bucks. Hey, shit.

• 49:34Speaker 01

  Let's go, let's go. So we've already talked about how.

• 49:37Speaker 02

  You were really excited to talk about, I mean, you did. She was stoked. You did all your research is about Stephen. There's like.

• 49:45Speaker 01

  There's a D and D.

• 49:45Speaker 02

  No, my cereal. Pages and pages of like.

• 49:47Speaker 01

  Just Stephen.

• 49:48Speaker 02

  You can also play.

• 49:49Speaker 01

  Just Stephen.

• 49:50Speaker 02

  She has a lot of tabs.

• 49:51Speaker 01

  I did, I actually took it down to three, cuz I was like really going for it, but I can't pitch you too many.

• 49:56Speaker 02

  Gravity, it's tough.

• 49:57Speaker 01

  You know.

• 49:57Speaker 02

  You know.

• 49:58Speaker 01

  So decisions are hard. So we talked about being like the weird kid growing up or feeling like the weird kid. Like, I know I felt that way most, I still feel that way at 40.

• 50:08Speaker 02

  It's cool now, though.

• 50:09Speaker 01

  But do you feel like it like kind of becomes a superpower a little bit? And if so, when did it for you?

• 50:15Speaker 02

  Um, that's a good question.

• 50:17Speaker 01

  Cuz I feel like it's mine now.

• 50:19Speaker 02

  I think it absolutely is. Yeah, I mean, you've built a business around weirdos.

• 50:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's pretty good.

• 50:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, I think that allows, I think the great thing about sort of identifying as somebody on the outside looking in is that you, it releases the pressure to be cool. I don't, I feel very.

• 50:43Speaker 02

  I don't feel like I have to be cool. I don't, you know, I'm not, I'm not sort of like, sure, I was hung up on that, I'm sure at some point in my life.

• 50:50Speaker 01

  Everybody was.

• 50:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was gonna say.

• 50:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:53Speaker 02

  And then it also allows you sort of like, accept everyone. Like, you sort of see people as equals a lot, and that sort of, it levels the playing field and it just makes your life much easier.

• 51:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, I agree.

• 51:07Speaker 02

  I fully agree.

• 51:08Speaker 01

  And it makes you able to enjoy things like with your whole chest.

• 51:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, that is for sure. I think that's part of being the weird kid, is you get shamed for enjoying things.

• 51:16Speaker 01

  I feel like unabashedly loving things.

• 51:18Speaker 02

  I unabashedly talk about my love of Dungeons and Dragons.

• 51:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, just lead us into our next question.

• 51:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, you know, it's a huge part of my life. And also, like, I mean, all kinds of things, like video games.

• 51:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:31Speaker 02

  I'm like, you know, and I don't, you know, in this business, being in Hollywood, so much status. Status used to mean so much to me. And listen, and the whole, I've been on, you know, we talk about wisdom, you grow into wisdom. I, I, I used to walk past, the first movie I ever did was called Serial Mom. I used to walk past the theater and try to be recognized by the people coming out. Like, oh, did you see a movie? Which one?

• 51:58Speaker 01

  Do I look familiar?

• 52:00Speaker 02

  Mom, I mean, I literally, you know, was, but I desperately wanted to be famous. And then I, you know, I ran around Hollywood and then, you know, I wanted to be, I wanted to be number one on the call sheet on big movies. Like, I've gone through this whole cycle.

• 52:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course.

• 52:17Speaker 02

  You know, and to the point where I never thought I'd work again. Like, I had lots of, I've been on every iteration of the Hollywood journey known to man.

• 52:27Speaker 01

  I'm sure.

• 52:27Speaker 02

  And the one I enjoy the most is when it first started and where I'm at now. And I'm having this like crazy resurgence.

• 52:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:37Speaker 02

  In my career as an actor and my popularity. I've never been more popular.

• 52:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:45Speaker 02

  And I've, I don't know if that's the most humble thing I've ever said. It's just the reality of it.

• 52:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:52Speaker 02

  But right now, whatever's happening, it's like, it's freaking awesome. Yeah, let's go. It's really, it's really cool. Yeah, I find the older I get and having this like resurgence, I live in a very small bubble in my hometown and nobody gives a shit. My kids don't care, my wife certainly doesn't care. And, you know, we sort of like, we have our group of friends and we have a group of like, you know, families that we're connected to.

• 53:18Speaker 02

  Whatever's happening right now has like changed everything. And now I will get caught in public and I don't want to be caught in public.

• 53:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:26Speaker 02

  And getting caught, and I, you know, like I said, I would walk around looking for attention.

• 53:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:32Speaker 02

  Wanting to be famous. And now I'm like, yeah, I'm not interested. In fact, I will say this, there was, we did Scream 7 premiere. And there were, they let influencers into the Scream 7 premiere. And I saw this on social media and she's out there and she's gonna hear this. This young girl, this, and what was happening is like, in, I was surrounded by a sea of people wanting to get in to interview me or catch video or do all these things.

• 54:01Speaker 01

  That is so overwhelming.

• 54:02Speaker 02

  Incredibly overwhelming. That's a premiere where I want to see my friends and sort of celebrate, right? And I did it a couple of times, I'm like, okay, I'm done for the night, thank you, I'm done for the night, thank you. And they just kept coming back.

• 54:14Speaker 01

  And you're allowed to say that you're done.

• 54:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:17Speaker 01

  You're allowed to have a.

• 54:17Speaker 02

  And I'm a human. I'm also like, I'm not working, this isn't supposed to be a job, I'm actually supposed to be celebrating.

• 54:23Speaker 01

  Having fun right now.

• 54:24Speaker 02

  This is like the old, like, this is the best time.

• 54:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, and I'm not having fun.

• 54:28Speaker 02

  But they packed it with these influencers. And at some point, this girl, this young woman caught my breath. I'm like, I am done, I snapped at her. Yeah. You've only pushed so far. Then she posts exactly what you expect, which is like, I was so excited to meet Matthew Lohr and he was a total asshole.

• 54:46Speaker 01

  And it's like, it's one bad moment.

• 54:48Speaker 02

  I take full responsibility. But it's a bad moment. Super rude. Yeah. But I was super done.

• 54:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:55Speaker 02

  That's human. Yes, and you were, I was so kind for so long going, I am, you guys, I'm done, I'm done, I'm done. And you make it clear. Back into a corner. And then my kids had to start getting in the way. Oh, your kids are there too? Yes, and they're like.

• 55:08Speaker 01

  Come on, see, that's another layer.

• 55:09Speaker 02

  And they see me get angry once, and like I said.

• 55:12Speaker 01

  So your kids know?

• 55:13Speaker 02

  And they know.

• 55:14Speaker 01

  They're like, you're pushing him.

• 55:16Speaker 02

  So if that young lady's out there, I apologize, I was a dick, she was right, and posted on something and I saw it the next day, I'm like.

• 55:23Speaker 01

  But I feel like that's become like a thing that people try to get a rise out of people now and get them in a bad moment just to be like, hey, they're an asshole. And it's like, no, they're just a human and having a human moment.

• 55:32Speaker 02

  Everyone has a bad day.

• 55:33Speaker 01

  And it's like the person who posted that also has, I can guarantee you, she has also had a moment where she's been a dick.

• 55:40Speaker 02

  She's. She didn't want that on the internet. But that, but nobody, I do not know why we're talking about this. I don't know how I got to this moment. And I don't know if I liked it or if I didn't like it. But I will say I owe that young woman an apology.

• 55:55Speaker 01

  All right. That's nice of you.

• 55:56Speaker 02

  There you go. You're big for that.

• 55:58Speaker 01

  I love it.

• 55:59Speaker 02

  Now, I want to do your chart.

• 56:00Speaker 01

  I know.

• 56:00Speaker 02

  Do you believe in astrology?

• 56:04Speaker 02

  Not really, but I don't disbelieve in it.

• 56:07Speaker 01

  All right.

• 56:07Speaker 02

  Like, there are things, I'm like, yeah, I don't believe in that at all.

• 56:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:10Speaker 02

  But I do think that my dad and I were born two days apart and we were on very similar cycles for a long time. That makes total sense. He would have success, I had a massive success.

• 56:22Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 56:22Speaker 02

  I would sort of start to struggle, he was sort of.

• 56:25Speaker 01

  Interesting. That is interesting.

• 56:27Speaker 02

  Has to do with Jupiter. Is that it? Has to do with Jupiter, when you're struggling and when you're not. Yeah.

• 56:35Speaker 01

  Look at that.

• 56:35Speaker 02

  You have a lot of eclectic talents. Thank you. Yeah, yeah. Why don't we go to D and D?

• 56:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, cuz we were just talking about.

• 56:42Speaker 02

  Great, yeah.

• 56:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. So you've said before that sitting around a tabletop gaming table.

• 56:47Speaker 02

  Best way to spend a life.

• 56:48Speaker 01

  One of the best ways to spend a life?

• 56:50Speaker 02

  Not one of.

• 56:51Speaker 01

  What happens at the table that you believe we could be missing elsewhere? Like, what makes it the best?

• 56:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, you, they're my favorite people, the people I play with are my closest friends.

• 57:05Speaker 01

  I love that, that's cool.

• 57:06Speaker 02

  They are, I started, you know, I played as a kid.

• 57:12Speaker 02

  I quit in like, you know, junior high school when most kids quit. And then my roommate in acting school when I went to New York had D and D books. And I was 21 years old, I'm like, dude, we're 21, we're supposed to be getting hammered and doing chicks. But let's do Dungeons. But I'm like, why do you have this, this lame? You're so weird. He's like, bro, I'm like, bro, dude, bro, dude, bro, bro. He's going to the bars, let's get some lettuce.

• 57:44Speaker 01

  Get some lettuce.

• 57:45Speaker 02

  Some lettuce. So hilarious, because we were still.

• 57:49Speaker 01

  I like that.

• 57:50Speaker 02

  Freaking acting school kids.

• 57:51Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 57:52Speaker 02

  He's like, I like to play D and D, I'm like, oh, that's.

• 57:55Speaker 01

  Awesome.

• 57:57Speaker 02

  Awesome. And I said it in class one day and my buddies were like, oh, that's cool, we should play.

• 58:04Speaker 01

  Hell, yeah.

• 58:04Speaker 02

  And after a Super Bowl one year, we went to Circle in the Square, which is where we all went to school. It's a big Broadway theater house on 50th and Broadway. It's an incredible theater school, by the way, if anyone thought they're looking for a theater school, like, I'm always pitching our school cuz it's fantastic.

• 58:23Speaker 02

  Anyways, we had access to the lobby, we started playing one night at like nine o'clock at night. We rolled up characters and we started to play, we left when the sun came up at six in the morning.

• 58:32Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 58:33Speaker 02

  That's awesome. And we have been playing since I was 21 and I'm 56 years old. Wow. The longest campaign we ever played was seven years.

• 58:41Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 58:42Speaker 02

  I like that a lot.

• 58:43Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 58:44Speaker 02

  But, yeah, I played, we've played for years and you sit around.

• 58:50Speaker 02

  You're telling stories which is as old as time.

• 58:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:54Speaker 02

  With actors who are lovely and smart.

• 58:57Speaker 01

  Creative.

• 58:58Speaker 02

  And creative and like everyone's invested.

• 59:01Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 59:01Speaker 02

  So you're, yes, you're talking in voices.

• 59:03Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, I love that.

• 59:04Speaker 02

  I, you know, and you're playing with your whole chest.

• 59:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:09Speaker 02

  And it's just the best, man. And we laugh hard.

• 59:12Speaker 01

  Hell, yeah.

• 59:13Speaker 02

  And we, you know, we eat pizza, we don't drink, we don't smoke, we like, we don't, we're just not.

• 59:18Speaker 01

  Become me.

• 59:19Speaker 02

  Huh?

• 59:19Speaker 01

  Become me.

• 59:20Speaker 02

  I totally become you. Our insides are pure.

• 59:22Speaker 00

  Look at that, just a yucky mob.

• 59:24Speaker 02

  But yeah, but it's, it's just the best.

• 59:26Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 59:27Speaker 02

  My favorite thing.

• 59:27Speaker 01

  I've never played it and I've always thought that I was somebody who should have played it.

• 59:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's still time.

• 59:32Speaker 00

  I was gonna say, you still can.

• 59:33Speaker 01

  I need to start doing it.

• 59:34Speaker 02

  A hundred percent.

• 59:35Speaker 01

  Cause I would love it.

• 59:36Speaker 02

  It's a blast.

• 59:36Speaker 01

  Like it is right up my alley.

• 59:37Speaker 02

  Also like it, they're on the phones, like you remove.

• 59:41Speaker 01

  Yes, I love that.

• 59:42Speaker 02

  Responsibility to be a dad or a husband or a working actor or whatever.

• 59:47Speaker 00

  Get lost in just the world.

• 59:49Speaker 02

  It is the story of good versus evil.

• 59:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:53Speaker 02

  And like you're rising up and doing heroic things and vanquishing the, you know, the evil and.

• 1:00:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:01Speaker 02

  It's great.

• 1:00:01Speaker 01

  It's like being in a real fantasy book. I love that.

• 1:00:03Speaker 02

  It is.

• 1:00:04Speaker 01

  That's iconic. I do love fantasy books.

• 1:00:06Speaker 02

  What's your favorite fantasy book?

• 1:00:07Speaker 01

  I'm reading right now and I'm obsessed with The Ninth House by Leigh Bardugo. It's a trilogy.

• 1:00:13Speaker 02

  I saw, yeah, I've seen it.

• 1:00:14Speaker 01

  It is so good. It's like secret societies and Yale and magic.

• 1:00:18Speaker 00

  I've heard really good things about that.

• 1:00:19Speaker 01

  It's delicious. I love it.

• 1:00:21Speaker 02

  Can I tell you my favorite writer right now?

• 1:00:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:23Speaker 02

  In all the weirdos?

• 1:00:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:24Speaker 02

  Christopher Buehlmann. He wrote Black Tongue Thief.

• 1:00:28Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:00:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, and he just, and then he came out with The Daughter's War and his third one's about to drop.

• 1:00:33Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 1:00:34Speaker 02

  He and I did the Renaissance Fair in upstate New York in a speaker in New York. And we were roommates. Um, and he went on to do the Ren Fair for years, started writing and has now become incredibly successful.

• 1:00:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:45Speaker 00

  Good for him.

• 1:00:45Speaker 01

  Hell, yeah.

• 1:00:46Speaker 00

  That's sick. That's rad. I love that.

• 1:00:48Speaker 02

  That's my reading recommendation of the day.

• 1:00:50Speaker 00

  Good. We love those. Yeah, we're always recommending books that filtered in nicely.

• 1:00:54Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 1:00:54Speaker 01

  It did.

• 1:00:55Speaker 00

  All right, can we talk about Scream?

• 1:00:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:57Speaker 00

  Scream, the original, nineteen ninety-six, the year I was born. You play one of the most I know. I know that hurts. I saw the twitch.

• 1:01:05Speaker 01

  Well, I twitch.

• 1:01:06Speaker 02

  Listen, this was a lot of fun.

• 1:01:08Speaker 01

  But I have to go now.

• 1:01:10Speaker 02

  My phone's ringing in my pocket. It's time to take it.

• 1:01:12Speaker 01

  Sorry.

• 1:01:13Speaker 02

  No, it's okay.

• 1:01:14Speaker 00

  But you play.

• 1:01:14Speaker 02

  I'm gonna, I, here's my hope.

• 1:01:16Speaker 00

  Tell me.

• 1:01:17Speaker 02

  The hope is that you ask a question I've never been asked before in thirty years.

• 1:01:21Speaker 00

  I hope so.

• 1:01:22Speaker 01

  We have a few questions about it, so maybe one of us will hit it.

• 1:01:24Speaker 00

  I don't know if it's this first one, but maybe we'll hit it.

• 1:01:26Speaker 01

  One of mine, I think, might, no, I don't know.

• 1:01:28Speaker 02

  Okay, good.

• 1:01:29Speaker 01

  I'm being very, I have hubris right now.

• 1:01:32Speaker 00

  I, I had hubris earlier.

• 1:01:34Speaker 02

  I keep self identifying in the moment.

• 1:01:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:36Speaker 00

  We do.

• 1:01:36Speaker 02

  I have vinginess right now.

• 1:01:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm preparing everybody right now.

• 1:01:40Speaker 02

  Okay, good.

• 1:01:41Speaker 01

  But you first.

• 1:01:42Speaker 00

  All right, so obviously you play Stu. When did you realize that Stu had become something people would still be talking about all these years later? Did it ever hit you at a certain point?

• 1:01:51Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:01:51Speaker 00

  And has anybody ever asked you that before?

• 1:01:53Speaker 02

  No, they haven't.

• 1:01:54Speaker 00

  Hey.

• 1:01:55Speaker 02

  Oh, pretty good.

• 1:01:55Speaker 00

  First one off the bat, all right.

• 1:01:57Speaker 02

  Pretty good, pretty good. Yeah, pretty good. I mean, I, I still don't.

• 1:02:04Speaker 02

  I, I still not sure how we're here.

• 1:02:06Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:02:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm still not sure how this all happened.

• 1:02:09Speaker 01

  It must be surreal.

• 1:02:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:02:11Speaker 02

  But it's not even surreal. It's like surreal would mean that you were like, you deeply think about, I, I am just, I'm like, what?

• 1:02:19Speaker 01

  That thing?

• 1:02:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like weird. It's weird. It's like, um, I don't know, how do you explain it? It's, it's like, you, you're dating someone and then they become the President of the United States.

• 1:02:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:32Speaker 02

  And you're like, ah, that's so weird. We used to make out and now they're the President of the United States. Like, that's weird.

• 1:02:39Speaker 00

  Yeah. What a scenario.

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:41Speaker 00

  Just pictured that really.

• 1:02:43Speaker 02

  This is a weird.

• 1:02:43Speaker 00

  Somebody I made up and becoming the president.

• 1:02:45Speaker 02

  You're like, I've seen that person at their worst and their best and yeah. And, and that's what it is. I mean, it is this thing.

• 1:02:50Speaker 01

  I thought you were gonna say naked. I saw that person.

• 1:02:51Speaker 00

  I thought you were gonna say naked too.

• 1:02:52Speaker 02

  I was going to and then I didn't wanna be creepy.

• 1:02:55Speaker 01

  When you went the different way, I was like, whoa, that was me being creepy, so.

• 1:02:57Speaker 00

  I thought, no, I thought that way too.

• 1:02:59Speaker 02

  My instinct was way worse.

• 1:03:01Speaker 01

  That was your instinct.

• 1:03:02Speaker 02

  And I, I don't know the weirdos that well, but they don't need all of me.

• 1:03:06Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:03:08Speaker 02

  All of me. Uh, yeah, so it is a little, it's, it's just really strange in that, you know, you have to imagine like, at that time when it came out, as we were making it, Wes Craven had made a bunch of movies, most of them had, in that time, had started to flop. And it just felt like another horror movie that starred two people that were on television, Neve Campbell and Courtney Cox. And that was never a thing. It was not, you know, people didn't cross over. You either a TV actor or a film actor at that point. And I was a film actor. I'm like, what are these TV people doing here? This is all gonna be shit.

• 1:03:45Speaker 01

  Infiltrating.

• 1:03:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. And I think that, you know, one of the things that, I was just talking to Flanagan last night, actually, on the way after we had, we did a big screening.

• 1:03:55Speaker 01

  Really cool sentence.

• 1:03:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, but we were talking, but we were talking about the movie and then I said to him, that the crazy thing about it, I think if you take any of those people out in terms of the casting, the movie may not work.

• 1:04:06Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:04:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, I thi, I really think that Skeet is perfectly cast, Neve Campbell's perfectly cast, Jamie Kennedy.

• 1:04:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:13Speaker 02

  David O' Cat, even, you know, even Earl Brown, who plays, you know, Courtney's camera guy, like, everyone along the way really works.

• 1:04:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:25Speaker 02

  In this really crazy way.

• 1:04:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:28Speaker 02

  I think if you take me out or Drew out or Henry Winkler, I mean, all kind of like comes together perfectly in a moment of synchronicity.

• 1:04:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:38Speaker 02

  That, you know, and the mask. I mean, the mask came out of nowhere. They found the mask.

• 1:04:45Speaker 01

  So perfect.

• 1:04:45Speaker 02

  They, it was like this little place in North Carolina, uh, you know, the rumor, the legend is that he saw it on a, a tech scout. I don't think that's true personally.

• 1:04:56Speaker 00

  Um, interesting.

• 1:04:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:57Speaker 00

  I've even heard that before.

• 1:04:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. He, he got, what I remember, we were shooting in Santa Rosa, outside the high school, and we were talking about the mask, cause he was showing us, I think, like, a cut of the opening sequence with Drew and.

• 1:05:16Speaker 01

  Such a good sequence.

• 1:05:17Speaker 02

  It's incredible sequence for multiple reasons, which I'm happy to talk about, but he, um, he was like, I think that they were going to shut down the movie. So they were gonna shut down the movie, cause they weren't sure about it. And then they rushed it, shot that sequence, opening sequence, and then sent it to Miramax and they kept the movie alive.

• 1:05:37Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 1:05:38Speaker 02

  Cause they were gonna shut it down, cause they're like, we don't think this works.

• 1:05:40Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 1:05:41Speaker 00

  Can you imagine?

• 1:05:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. If you just never had Scream.

• 1:05:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:05:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:45Speaker 00

  It's like in, like a parallel universe.

• 1:05:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:47Speaker 01

  That would be a butterfly effect.

• 1:05:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:05:49Speaker 01

  That would be bad, I think.

• 1:05:50Speaker 02

  But that was, the opening sequence is so crazy because Drew Barrymore.

• 1:05:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:54Speaker 02

  Was one of the biggest stars in the world.

• 1:05:56Speaker 01

  You think she's gonna be the.

• 1:05:56Speaker 02

  She's on the post.

• 1:05:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, like front and center.

• 1:05:59Speaker 02

  And they murder her, like one of the most brutal, brilliant openings of film ever.

• 1:06:04Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:06:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:04Speaker 02

  And, you know, they kill her and it's like, wait, what?

• 1:06:07Speaker 00

  Brilliant to do. Where are we going from here?

• 1:06:08Speaker 02

  And now you're like, I have no idea what's gonna happen next.

• 1:06:11Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:06:11Speaker 02

  And it was also, the movie was self referential at the time when movies were trying to be timeless.

• 1:06:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:17Speaker 02

  Because they wanted, cause there was no such, DVDs and VHS were just coming around.

• 1:06:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:23Speaker 02

  And before that, before the, before this, this media, you would try to make a movie timeless, cause you wanted to play again on TV, cause that's when you got paid again.

• 1:06:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:33Speaker 02

  So people are like, don't reference anything, don't make it modern, because we want it to live, so if they show it in ten years on Channel Four.

• 1:06:42Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:06:42Speaker 02

  It will still work. The movie will still be relevant.

• 1:06:45Speaker 01

  But this is like so nineteen ninety-six.

• 1:06:47Speaker 02

  Then Kevin Williamson came along and was like, I'm gonna flip the script.

• 1:06:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm gonna be so nineties.

• 1:06:51Speaker 02

  It's kinda crazy, yeah.

• 1:06:52Speaker 01

  I loved it.

• 1:06:53Speaker 02

  So, yeah, so I don't really, I have, it's like having your ex-girlfriend be the president.

• 1:06:59Speaker 00

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• 1:07:00Speaker 01

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• 1:09:50Speaker 01

  What do you think Stu, I'm very curious about this. What do you think Stu wanted out of that friendship with Billy? Do you think he looked at the friendship with Billy the same way that Billy looked at him?

• 1:10:00Speaker 02

  I don't know. It's not something, you know, it's funny, I never, never been asked that.

• 1:10:06Speaker 00

  Hey, two in a row.

• 1:10:07Speaker 01

  All right.

• 1:10:09Speaker 02

  I don't really think that way.

• 1:10:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:11Speaker 02

  Cause he's not real. Do you know he's not real?

• 1:10:13Speaker 01

  So you don't think about that kind of, I don't.

• 1:10:15Speaker 02

  He's not real.

• 1:10:15Speaker 00

  He's not, shit.

• 1:10:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:17Speaker 00

  So we're not all gonna die today?

• 1:10:19Speaker 02

  Scooby Doo is not either.

• 1:10:20Speaker 00

  I do have one Scooby Doo question.

• 1:10:21Speaker 01

  You just ruined everything for everyone.

• 1:10:22Speaker 00

  You definitely ruined my husband's life.

• 1:10:24Speaker 02

  This is the second time we end our friendship here live on Morbid.

• 1:10:27Speaker 00

  Too sorry.

• 1:10:28Speaker 02

  I don't really think, I mean, it's like, I don't know.

• 1:10:32Speaker 01

  Like past, what is happening?

• 1:10:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:34Speaker 01

  No, I'd rather just be honest.

• 1:10:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's also like, just so we're clear, it's 30 years ago. I've, it's like, what was your first kiss like when you were 12? I don't, I don't know. I guess it was good.

• 1:10:47Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:10:47Speaker 02

  We, 12 is very young, I guess. But like at 15, I remember my first kiss.

• 1:10:53Speaker 00

  Like I was 12 or 13.

• 1:10:54Speaker 02

  But was it like a?

• 1:10:55Speaker 00

  Truth or dare? Just a smooch, not like a make out.

• 1:10:58Speaker 02

  Oh yeah. I remember in, I think I was in eighth grade. This is eighth grade.

• 1:11:03Speaker 00

  Mine was summer going into seventh grade.

• 1:11:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:06Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:07Speaker 00

  That was so true.

• 1:11:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:10Speaker 00

  Did you see that face? Hey, you judged me. You said 12?

• 1:11:14Speaker 02

  You're a slut.

• 1:11:16Speaker 00

  I know, here we come.

• 1:11:17Speaker 02

  Here is the word. Bring it back.

• 1:11:19Speaker 01

  You're untidy.

• 1:11:20Speaker 02

  The word of this episode is slut.

• 1:11:22Speaker 00

  You're untidy. You're an untidy gal. You're a mess.

• 1:11:25Speaker 02

  Untidy is a great way. You're, instead of using like, yeah.

• 1:11:29Speaker 01

  You are so untidy.

• 1:11:30Speaker 00

  She's so untidy.

• 1:11:31Speaker 02

  You're untidy with your make outs.

• 1:11:35Speaker 00

  How did we get here?

• 1:11:36Speaker 01

  An unkempt bitch over here. Sloppiness. Yeah, so.

• 1:11:42Speaker 02

  I almost went, I almost went really crass.

• 1:11:44Speaker 01

  You should.

• 1:11:45Speaker 02

  And I want you to know tonight, when I go home and I lay my head on the pillow, I'm going to congratulate, I'm gonna say, you did good today.

• 1:11:51Speaker 00

  Good job holding back.

• 1:11:52Speaker 02

  Cause you almost went too far.

• 1:11:54Speaker 00

  All right. I'm proud of you.

• 1:11:55Speaker 02

  Too far.

• 1:11:55Speaker 00

  I don't know where you were gonna go.

• 1:11:56Speaker 02

  Mr. Violence would have stepped in.

• 1:11:58Speaker 00

  We don't.

• 1:12:00Speaker 02

  We'll see you, Mr. Violence.

• 1:12:01Speaker 00

  I'm literally changing your name in my phone.

• 1:12:02Speaker 01

  We don't get offended easily here.

• 1:12:03Speaker 00

  So you found good company?

• 1:12:04Speaker 01

  We have one editor that we have that isn't in the room with us that we're constantly like, John, I'm so sorry that we just said that.

• 1:12:10Speaker 00

  I met him in, I'm sorry. I've only met him in person once.

• 1:12:13Speaker 02

  What? What are you talking about?

• 1:12:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:15Speaker 02

  How do you not have a friendship with your editor?

• 1:12:17Speaker 00

  Well, we have like a friendship via the microphone, but I don't even know where he lives.

• 1:12:21Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:12:21Speaker 00

  But I, but he came to an event.

• 1:12:23Speaker 02

  Is he going to edit this?

• 1:12:24Speaker 00

  No. He edits a different podcast.

• 1:12:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:27Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:12:27Speaker 01

  We have a different podcast.

• 1:12:28Speaker 02

  How many podcasts you have?

• 1:12:29Speaker 01

  Three.

• 1:12:30Speaker 00

  Three.

• 1:12:30Speaker 02

  Jesus.

• 1:12:31Speaker 00

  Yeah. I was like, how many do we have? I know, it's like one.

• 1:12:34Speaker 02

  Which one do you like the best?

• 1:12:36Speaker 01

  Honestly, they're all like, cause they're all different.

• 1:12:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:12:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:40Speaker 02

  What are, what are the other two bitches?

• 1:12:42Speaker 00

  Um, one is called Scream and we recap horror movies and kind of just like discuss them.

• 1:12:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:47Speaker 00

  And then one is called The Rewatcher and we re-watch shows and discuss them.

• 1:12:51Speaker 01

  We did Buffy the Vampire Slayer. We're doing True Blood right now.

• 1:12:54Speaker 02

  Did you do the whole series?

• 1:12:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:56Speaker 02

  Oh God. That'd be brutal.

• 1:12:58Speaker 00

  Got rough in the end.

• 1:12:59Speaker 01

  That one was brutal.

• 1:12:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:13:00Speaker 01

  True Blood is fun as hell though.

• 1:13:01Speaker 00

  True Blood is great.

• 1:13:02Speaker 01

  That's just batshit crazy.

• 1:13:03Speaker 00

  Yeah. Have you seen that?

• 1:13:04Speaker 02

  Mm-mm.

• 1:13:04Speaker 01

  Please watch.

• 1:13:05Speaker 00

  Watch it and then listen.

• 1:13:06Speaker 02

  I will never watch.

• 1:13:07Speaker 01

  It's so fun.

• 1:13:07Speaker 00

  I like that you were honest. So you're like, I'm not gonna do that.

• 1:13:10Speaker 01

  I mean, I respect that, but it's really fun.

• 1:13:12Speaker 02

  Never. I, I have, I'm not really, it's shocking how many shows I have not watched.

• 1:13:18Speaker 01

  I mean, same.

• 1:13:19Speaker 00

  That makes sense though, cause it's gotta be, is it tough for you to watch shows in a sense?

• 1:13:23Speaker 02

  I just don't like it. It's like a cook doesn't want to come home and cook.

• 1:13:26Speaker 00

  That's what I mean. Right.

• 1:13:27Speaker 01

  What about Widows' Bay?

• 1:13:28Speaker 02

  And huh?

• 1:13:29Speaker 01

  Have you watched Widows' Bay?

• 1:13:30Speaker 02

  I do. I like, I sort of like modern shows.

• 1:13:33Speaker 01

  Widows' Bay's really good.

• 1:13:34Speaker 02

  One of my favorite things to do, because I travel so much, is I love having a show to share with my wife.

• 1:13:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:39Speaker 02

  And we're empty nesters. And like together, like we'll sit there and watch, like we're watching Lioness right now.

• 1:13:45Speaker 01

  Oh my God.

• 1:13:46Speaker 02

  And I am, I fucking love it. And I'm like, but I really think I love the two of us hanging out and like going, let's do another one.

• 1:13:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, I love that.

• 1:13:55Speaker 02

  I really love it.

• 1:13:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:13:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:57Speaker 00

  That's one of my favorite pastimes is watching TV with my husband.

• 1:13:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:00Speaker 00

  We watch a lot of reality TV.

• 1:14:02Speaker 02

  I, we don't, I don't do that.

• 1:14:03Speaker 01

  See where in a spot?

• 1:14:04Speaker 02

  No, no, it's not that. I just, I don't have the patience for people being, there is no show where people are brutal or rude or bitches and I just, I can't, I'm not interested.

• 1:14:16Speaker 01

  I get too angry.

• 1:14:17Speaker 00

  It's like being at the zoo.

• 1:14:17Speaker 02

  Oh God, yeah.

• 1:14:18Speaker 00

  There was Housewives here today and I literally almost lost my shit.

• 1:14:21Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:14:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:14:22Speaker 02

  My wife loves them all.

• 1:14:23Speaker 00

  Oh, I gotta talk to her.

• 1:14:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. She'll, she would love to come in.

• 1:14:27Speaker 01

  Oh yeah. She would hate it. I feel like she would hate it.

• 1:14:30Speaker 02

  She would not, she would not like this.

• 1:14:32Speaker 00

  We wouldn't have to record. We could just hang out and watch Housewives.

• 1:14:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, you could just chat.

• 1:14:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Come to my house. You guys are always welcome to come for you. When you come out to San Diego to do San Diego Comic Con, which we're doing.

• 1:14:41Speaker 00

  Next year.

• 1:14:42Speaker 01

  Yes, we've already announced.

• 1:14:43Speaker 02

  Come out, hang out.

• 1:14:44Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:14:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:45Speaker 00

  All right, great.

• 1:14:46Speaker 01

  We're just gonna show over at your door and be like, you invited us.

• 1:14:48Speaker 02

  You don't fucking scare me.

• 1:14:51Speaker 00

  He's like, I invited you.

• 1:14:52Speaker 02

  I literally invited, if I didn't like you, I don't know your full name. That might be a problem.

• 1:14:59Speaker 01

  But come to my house.

• 1:15:00Speaker 00

  What if we look vaguely different and we're like, we're Elaine and Nash, then you said we could stay with you?

• 1:15:05Speaker 02

  I'll be like, who?

• 1:15:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:15:07Speaker 01

  See?

• 1:15:08Speaker 00

  See? Yeah.

• 1:15:10Speaker 02

  All right, where are we? Oh, Scream.

• 1:15:12Speaker 00

  All right, where are we?

• 1:15:13Speaker 01

  Um, so I think we finished our screen.

• 1:15:15Speaker 02

  Did you just get that tattoo?

• 1:15:16Speaker 00

  Uh, it's more recent. I think I got this.

• 1:15:19Speaker 01

  Was that one?

• 1:15:19Speaker 00

  Six months ago.

• 1:15:20Speaker 01

  Was it the same time as the ghost?

• 1:15:22Speaker 02

  That's new.

• 1:15:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:15:23Speaker 02

  And why do you have a fucking pumpkin on your arm?

• 1:15:25Speaker 01

  Because I love pumpkins.

• 1:15:26Speaker 00

  You love Halloween.

• 1:15:27Speaker 01

  I have a ghost too.

• 1:15:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, you got the ghost when I got the perfume bottle.

• 1:15:32Speaker 01

  It's in a weird spot.

• 1:15:33Speaker 02

  It's really in a weird spot for me.

• 1:15:35Speaker 01

  I don't know if I can turn that way. Is that weird?

• 1:15:39Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:15:39Speaker 00

  I'm dead. We go to tattoo artists that are identical twins.

• 1:15:44Speaker 01

  In Salem, Massachusetts.

• 1:15:46Speaker 00

  Is that kind of weird of us?

• 1:15:48Speaker 02

  You two are strange.

• 1:15:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, and unusual.

• 1:15:51Speaker 02

  I don't know, the pumpkins.

• 1:15:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:54Speaker 02

  A choice.

• 1:15:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. I love Halloween.

• 1:15:57Speaker 00

  I have a witch.

• 1:15:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, she's a full-blown witch.

• 1:16:01Speaker 00

  I have a witch right here.

• 1:16:01Speaker 02

  Oh, you do?

• 1:16:02Speaker 00

  She's riding a broomstick.

• 1:16:03Speaker 02

  Oh my God, you're very witchy.

• 1:16:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:06Speaker 00

  We are witches.

• 1:16:07Speaker 02

  You as well?

• 1:16:07Speaker 01

  I have a witch.

• 1:16:08Speaker 02

  Who's that? Is that a witch?

• 1:16:09Speaker 01

  Her name's Esme. Yeah, she's just a gal.

• 1:16:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:16:13Speaker 02

  Very punk rock.

• 1:16:14Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:16:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, punk rock witches.

• 1:16:16Speaker 01

  Hell yeah.

• 1:16:16Speaker 02

  We've been talking for four hours already.

• 1:16:19Speaker 00

  But you're having fun, correct?

• 1:16:20Speaker 02

  I'm loving every second of it. I'm worried about your capacity for.

• 1:16:24Speaker 01

  Oh no, we can do this for a while.

• 1:16:26Speaker 02

  Editing down.

• 1:16:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's his job.

• 1:16:28Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:16:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:29Speaker 02

  All right, it's Margaret.

• 1:16:29Speaker 01

  Our Jack the Ripper series was 72 pages long of notes.

• 1:16:32Speaker 00

  It was eight hours of content.

• 1:16:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:34Speaker 00

  We didn't film it in one day though. No. Yeah. All right, Scream.

• 1:16:38Speaker 01

  You know, but Scream.

• 1:16:39Speaker 00

  As long as you're still here.

• 1:16:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:41Speaker 02

  Still here.

• 1:16:41Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:16:42Speaker 01

  So another one, I don't know if you're gonna, if you're gonna have the same answer though, now that you said that. Do you think?

• 1:16:49Speaker 02

  Did I finish that whole thought?

• 1:16:51Speaker 01

  I think you did.

• 1:16:51Speaker 02

  Okay, good.

• 1:16:52Speaker 00

  I don't remember where we were to be on this.

• 1:16:54Speaker 02

  Cause I was like, I don't really think like, do you know why, like, do you think about their friendship?

• 1:16:58Speaker 00

  Oh, cause he's not real.

• 1:16:59Speaker 02

  I mean, maybe in that moment I did. I think he's got that, you know, I'm far too sensitive or whatever. And the definitely, you know, listen, people are like, were they gay? The people call us the first husbands of horror.

• 1:17:09Speaker 00

  I don't think they were.

• 1:17:10Speaker 02

  They weren't. And that, and that was never discussed.

• 1:17:12Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:17:13Speaker 02

  But we do say where the, that we're, they're gay characters. The reason we say that is that, you know, there's a kid out there right now struggling with who they are. And there are so many kids out there that identify with these characters.

• 1:17:28Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 1:17:28Speaker 02

  And while these characters are just a character we did, there are people that, you know, have these characters tattooed on their face, on their face, our faces on their body.

• 1:17:38Speaker 00

  Maybe they do have on their face.

• 1:17:40Speaker 02

  You know, there's all kinds of like that relationship. And if some kid out there is struggling with their own identity and who they are, and if for some reason us calling ourselves the first husbands of horror makes an impact, it makes them feel seen and empowers them, then we're the fucking first.

• 1:17:56Speaker 01

  Hell yeah.

• 1:17:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:17:57Speaker 01

  Or whatever, whatever you want us to be.

• 1:17:59Speaker 02

  My favorite part is like, nobody can take that away from us.

• 1:18:01Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:18:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:18:02Speaker 02

  It's our characters.

• 1:18:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:03Speaker 02

  You know, and in the world we're living in right now, like we could use a little more like, I see you gay kid. We, we love you.

• 1:18:11Speaker 01

  I love that. I love that a lot. Yeah.

• 1:18:14Speaker 00

  And I loved Billy and Stu's relationship.

• 1:18:16Speaker 02

  It was good. I mean.

• 1:18:17Speaker 01

  I always thought it was like very, like, I was like, yeah, like friends should be like that.

• 1:18:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, we should definitely murder together.

• 1:18:23Speaker 00

  Obviously.

• 1:18:23Speaker 02

  Why wouldn't they?

• 1:18:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course. Like, why are more people doing it?

• 1:18:26Speaker 02

  Not out there burying the body.

• 1:18:28Speaker 00

  Called a ride or die.

• 1:18:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:29Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:18:30Speaker 00

  Hello.

• 1:18:30Speaker 01

  Well, it was like, I think as people will, people will always like harp on like how physical they were with each other.

• 1:18:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:18:36Speaker 01

  But I love that part of it, that they like.

• 1:18:37Speaker 02

  That's funny. That was all me.

• 1:18:39Speaker 01

  I believe that.

• 1:18:41Speaker 00

  I mean, we've seen that here today.

• 1:18:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. I am like, literally.

• 1:18:44Speaker 00

  You're a touchy feely person today.

• 1:18:46Speaker 02

  And I don't think that I was really, I mean.

• 1:18:48Speaker 00

  Just natural.

• 1:18:49Speaker 02

  I'm like sitting on a shot. Yeah, it's weird.

• 1:18:51Speaker 01

  It feels right.

• 1:18:53Speaker 00

  It's probably in your astrological chart too. I'll look at it.

• 1:18:56Speaker 02

  Touchy?

• 1:18:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:18:57Speaker 01

  It's nice to be pet.

• 1:18:57Speaker 02

  What do you need for me to give, to give, to get a reading?

• 1:19:01Speaker 00

  Your birth time and where you were born.

• 1:19:03Speaker 02

  I'm on it.

• 1:19:04Speaker 00

  All right, cool.

• 1:19:04Speaker 01

  Get it. Get it and bring it to us.

• 1:19:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:19:07Speaker 01

  So I think the other ones for Scream, you've probably been asked before. So we're gonna move on. Yeah, another one. Uh, Five Nights at Freddy's.

• 1:19:13Speaker 02

  You wanna do a speed round?

• 1:19:14Speaker 01

  We're gonna do, what, for Scream?

• 1:19:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Speed round.

• 1:19:17Speaker 01

  I'm scared.

• 1:19:17Speaker 00

  Speed round? All right.

• 1:19:18Speaker 01

  I hope we have a speed round.

• 1:19:19Speaker 00

  Well, we don't.

• 1:19:20Speaker 02

  Saying like, you have other questions.

• 1:19:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, we have other questions. You wanna ask the Scream question?

• 1:19:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, we can do one more.

• 1:19:25Speaker 01

  Go for it.

• 1:19:26Speaker 00

  I wanna know when you first read for the part, did you get something about Stu that wasn't necessarily written on the page? Outside of being touchy feely?

• 1:19:33Speaker 02

  I, I read first, you what?

• 1:19:35Speaker 00

  I said outside of being touchy feely.

• 1:19:37Speaker 02

  Outside of being touchy feely? Every time we do that, I'm gonna.

• 1:19:40Speaker 01

  I appreciate it.

• 1:19:42Speaker 02

  The, I, I originally read for Billy.

• 1:19:45Speaker 00

  Oh, I didn't know that.

• 1:19:46Speaker 02

  And the casting director's like, you know, Wes Craven's coming back in like two hours. I would like you to read this.

• 1:19:51Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:19:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. They're like, you're never gonna make out with Neve Campbell.

• 1:19:54Speaker 00

  They said that to you?

• 1:19:55Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:19:56Speaker 00

  Oh, like what? I was like, that's mean.

• 1:19:59Speaker 02

  Cut to, I, we did.

• 1:20:00Speaker 01

  I was just gonna say jokes on that.

• 1:20:02Speaker 02

  But they, yes, but the, um, but I, I read like two hours later in the room, Wes Craven is like, I'd like you to come do the movie.

• 1:20:11Speaker 00

  Hell yeah.

• 1:20:11Speaker 02

  So he sort of gave me the part in the room.

• 1:20:13Speaker 00

  So you think you just figured it out like on the spot?

• 1:20:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think that it was, I'm, I was in that moment and you watched the film full of energy.

• 1:20:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:22Speaker 02

  I, I was like, sort of, you know, there was nothing little about the role for me. And whatever he saw in that reading, um.

• 1:20:33Speaker 02

  He responded to, I don't know.

• 1:20:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:20:36Speaker 01

  That's so cool.

• 1:20:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:37Speaker 00

  I love it. I think you're the perfect Stu. I can't picture anybody else playing Stu. And I can't picture you playing Billy, though.

• 1:20:43Speaker 02

  No, I don't need, I mean, listen, that was a totally, that was not me.

• 1:20:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:20:47Speaker 02

  I was, like I said, any, you pull any of us out, I think the whole thing falls apart.

• 1:20:52Speaker 00

  I think you're totally right. Yeah. All right, Five Nights at Freddy's.

• 1:20:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, Five Nights at Freddy's, because that's such a fun one. Such a fun one.

• 1:21:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:01Speaker 01

  It, okay, so do you think William Afton, and I don't know if you think this way now.

• 1:21:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't, I don't.

• 1:21:07Speaker 01

  Do you think, I think you've already answered this. All right, so let me go on to this one.

• 1:21:11Speaker 02

  No, go ahead, ask.

• 1:21:12Speaker 01

  Well, I was gonna say, do you, do you think he believes he's evil?

• 1:21:16Speaker 02

  No, I don't believe anyone in the history of films believes they're evil.

• 1:21:19Speaker 01

  I like that.

• 1:21:20Speaker 00

  I think that's a great answer.

• 1:21:21Speaker 02

  Everyone has, you have to, no, but you can't act on, on an instinct that's like, I'm just gonna hurt people. I mean, you can say, you know, Darth Vader has a reason for, for destroying the, or like, for running, owning the universe, right?

• 1:21:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:36Speaker 02

  Um, and like, everyone has a reason. It doesn't mean that they're, you know, good reasons are justified.

• 1:21:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:44Speaker 02

  But you have to believe in the reason.

• 1:21:46Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, Billy said it's scarier when there's no motive.

• 1:21:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, but there's always a motive. Yeah, because your mom's a whore.

• 1:21:54Speaker 00

  I was gonna say.

• 1:21:55Speaker 02

  It's also like, but he's like, his mother, you know, your mother was a slut.

• 1:21:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:21:59Speaker 01

  She was untidy.

• 1:22:00Speaker 00

  She was untidy. Yeah, she was untidy.

• 1:22:02Speaker 01

  She was not clean.

• 1:22:03Speaker 02

  She was not clean. She had a very slutty house.

• 1:22:07Speaker 01

  A very slutty house.

• 1:22:08Speaker 00

  That was so slutty.

• 1:22:09Speaker 01

  We've all been there. So you're a dad, we were talking about that.

• 1:22:13Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:22:14Speaker 01

  Is it hard? Because obviously, in Five Nights at Freddy's.

• 1:22:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:18Speaker 01

  You're not super nice to kids.

• 1:22:20Speaker 00

  You kill them.

• 1:22:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, but there's a reason.

• 1:22:21Speaker 01

  Is that hard, though?

• 1:22:23Speaker 02

  Totally makes sense.

• 1:22:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:22:24Speaker 01

  Is that hard?

• 1:22:26Speaker 02

  Not really.

• 1:22:27Speaker 00

  You said it so convincingly, then you said, I actually.

• 1:22:29Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:22:29Speaker 02

  I don't really know why it does it. I don't know. I think that that's in the third movie. Like, I think that he stuffs it, I don't know why he kills the kids.

• 1:22:36Speaker 01

  Because he's a bad guy.

• 1:22:37Speaker 02

  The reality is, I said to Scott, I'm like, why, when I got the job, right? I was like, look, there are multiple games, there are a crazy amount of books, there's fan fiction, he's like, don't read the fan fiction.

• 1:22:54Speaker 01

  Oh, God.

• 1:22:54Speaker 02

  Fan fiction is a lot.

• 1:22:56Speaker 00

  Gets weird.

• 1:22:57Speaker 02

  Uh, and I was like, what do you want me to dig into? How do I create this character so that I can best represent for the fans what, what you've built? He's like, just play the first game.

• 1:23:08Speaker 01

  There you go. That makes sense. All right.

• 1:23:11Speaker 02

  I'll send you a bunch of playthroughs. Uh, and that's the crazy thing about that game is that kids found people playing the game as interesting as playing the game. They were too scared to play the game, so they would watch Matt Pat play.

• 1:23:27Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:23:27Speaker 02

  Like, they would watch these streamers play the game, and that's what gave them a separation, that they could then enjoy the, and, and then all the legend and all the lore was born out of these theories, and Scott never came out to correct it. So then it became a fight as to whose theory would make the most sense, and then you became aligned with stuff, and then you became tribal, and then you became a part of the community. Do you know what I mean? That's what it feels like to me.

• 1:23:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:23:55Speaker 02

  And, you know, I got, I, I had this phone call, I've told the story before, but I, I got a phone call from my agent saying, or my manager saying, hey, they want you, they want you for this part, you have the offer, if you're interested, they want you to go sit down with the director, and if it goes, well, the offer's yours. I'm like, oh, that sounds great.

• 1:24:15Speaker 01

  Like, sick.

• 1:24:16Speaker 02

  And I was literally like, well, that means the movie's terrible. Like, no, it's a pretty big movie. I'm like, okay, well, let's look at it. And, you know, in the script, I had the part of Yellow Rabbit, the Yellow Rabbit.

• 1:24:28Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:24:28Speaker 02

  And I'm like, a yellow rabbit? Crazy name. Am I like a spy?

• 1:24:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:32Speaker 02

  Am I like an assassin? Like, what is this incredible character gonna be?

• 1:24:36Speaker 01

  They're like, no, you're literally.

• 1:24:37Speaker 02

  And I literally am like, you know, flipping through the script, and I'm like, Yellow Rabbit's on like five pages. I'm like, oh.

• 1:24:44Speaker 00

  God damn.

• 1:24:46Speaker 02

  Like, this is a shitty little part. And I was like, I read it, and I'm like, no.

• 1:24:53Speaker 02

  And I literally called my manager, I'm like, it doesn't make any sense, I don't wanna do five lines, and the lines are, come here, like, I want to kill you, like, I made no sense. So I'm like, I don't want this.

• 1:25:02Speaker 01

  Why do you need me for this?

• 1:25:03Speaker 02

  And so I went to her, and I'm like, hey, listen, you are lovely, her name's Emma Tammy, she's a lovely person. I was like, I don't, why me? I mean, you've seen me, I've been around for a long time, why, like, why are you hiring me for a guy for five lines? It doesn't make sense. And she's like, well, he's five lines in this, um, but he is the Voldemort of this universe. And we, we wanna make three movies. And so by the time you do the third movie, you're a big part. I'm like, you have my attention.

• 1:25:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're like, okay.

• 1:25:36Speaker 02

  Like, a sequel? Are we talking sequels? And I'm interested. And I went home, and I said, yeah, and I was talking to my wife in the kitchen, and my, my middle kid is, you know, in the other room, and this ace is in the other room, and I'm, I'm talking about it, and

• 1:25:53Speaker 02

  and I said, yeah, I'm, I just went in and met, I think I'm gonna do this movie, it's called Five Nights at Freddy's, and my kid's like, what?

• 1:25:58Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 1:25:59Speaker 02

  What are you talking about? And like, literally, he's like, what are you talking about? I'm like, what are you talking about? What?

• 1:26:04Speaker 00

  You're like, tell me about this.

• 1:26:05Speaker 02

  Who, who is it? I'm like, I don't know, the Yellow Rabbit. And they go, I don't know what that is. I'm like, oh, that sucks.

• 1:26:10Speaker 00

  Like, my agent lied to me.

• 1:26:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I'm like, oh, and so like, I'm like, yeah, and like, it's this movie, and my kid was like, wow, it's crazy. And then my wife's like, we were talking like 20 minutes later, and like, my wife's like, wait, why do they call him William Afton? And you hear my kid screaming down the stairs.

• 1:26:28Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 1:26:29Speaker 02

  Like, whoa, my God. And William Afton is this iconic character in the whole show.

• 1:26:35Speaker 01

  That's the coolest thing, too.

• 1:26:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was pretty fun.

• 1:26:37Speaker 01

  That your kid was that excited about it. That must be the coolest part.

• 1:26:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:41Speaker 00

  You're being so cool points.

• 1:26:42Speaker 01

  Look at me being cool.

• 1:26:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:26:43Speaker 02

  But it's that thing where you're like, super fun, I was like, cool, whatever.

• 1:26:48Speaker 01

  I'm like, hell, yeah.

• 1:26:49Speaker 02

  And it's a $30 million that made, movie that made $300 million.

• 1:26:53Speaker 00

  That's insane.

• 1:26:54Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:26:54Speaker 02

  It's insane.

• 1:26:55Speaker 01

  It's wild.

• 1:26:56Speaker 02

  Crazy, crazy hit.

• 1:26:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's wild.

• 1:26:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I'm like, that fanbase, they're really sweet to me, and they really love.

• 1:27:04Speaker 01

  Oh, we love that.

• 1:27:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, they're really great. And the second movie, I have a really great scene, but again, I'm barely in the film.

• 1:27:10Speaker 01

  That's so funny.

• 1:27:10Speaker 00

  That is really funny.

• 1:27:12Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's so funny, because my girls have seen like little, like, they haven't seen it, they've just seen like, like, you know, trailers that have gone on or anything like that, and they wanna see it so bad, and I'm like, you're 10. Like, you'll never sleep again.

• 1:27:22Speaker 00

  I know.

• 1:27:23Speaker 01

  No, but one of them is being Ghostface for Halloween, has never seen Scream.

• 1:27:28Speaker 02

  It's funny, right?

• 1:27:28Speaker 01

  But just like, is so interested in, like, when I told her.

• 1:27:32Speaker 02

  Total removal. I don't think most, like, most people haven't seen the first movie.

• 1:27:36Speaker 01

  That's crazy to me.

• 1:27:37Speaker 00

  That's insane to me.

• 1:27:38Speaker 02

  Because they're like, I'll just pick it up in seven. I'm like.

• 1:27:40Speaker 01

  No, that's crazy to me.

• 1:27:41Speaker 00

  No, you absolutely.

• 1:27:43Speaker 02

  I know, it's funny, right?

• 1:27:44Speaker 01

  That's diabolical.

• 1:27:45Speaker 02

  It doesn't make sense when I pop on, if, yeah, anyway.

• 1:27:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, you would have no idea.

• 1:27:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:27:49Speaker 01

  When I told her we were coming here today, I was like, we're gonna sit down with Ghostface, and she was like, are you kidding?

• 1:27:53Speaker 00

  She was like, well, I am Ghostface.

• 1:27:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. She was like, tell him I'm being Ghostface for Halloween.

• 1:27:58Speaker 02

  Like this?

• 1:27:59Speaker 00

  Is his face bedazzled?

• 1:28:00Speaker 01

  Hers is bedazzled, pink and bedazzled. Yeah, of course. Now, are you someone, because you're a dad again, can you watch things with kids in it, like getting hurt or horror movies with kids? Because I can't.

• 1:28:12Speaker 00

  I mean, you watched Carrie.

• 1:28:13Speaker 01

  Your kids are older now, so I don't know if that changes. I'm hoping it does. Because I can't.

• 1:28:17Speaker 02

  I mean, look, I, I have a hard time watching social media sometimes with kids getting hurt, and the sort of like, the things that people put on the internet are crazy to me.

• 1:28:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, same.

• 1:28:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:28:28Speaker 01

  I hate social media.

• 1:28:29Speaker 02

  And I get emotional. I'm super emotionally available. We've already, like, so I'm like, but movies don't bother, I mean, again, I've been doing them for so long.

• 1:28:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:38Speaker 00

  You know the behind those.

• 1:28:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not really my thing.

• 1:28:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, that makes sense.

• 1:28:42Speaker 02

  Doesn't really freak me out.

• 1:28:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:28:44Speaker 01

  I'm hoping that I can get over it.

• 1:28:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:46Speaker 01

  Because I cannot watch any horror movie that has children in it since I've become a mom.

• 1:28:50Speaker 00

  I can't, since you had kids.

• 1:28:51Speaker 01

  Can't do it.

• 1:28:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:28:52Speaker 01

  I get like way too invested in it.

• 1:28:54Speaker 02

  What about autopsies on baby kids?

• 1:28:56Speaker 01

  I had to do that, and it was awful.

• 1:28:58Speaker 02

  What, is it?

• 1:28:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:00Speaker 02

  You're unable at that moment?

• 1:29:01Speaker 01

  I was able to do it, because I just looked at it, and it's like, I gotta do this, and I can't just leave this room and leave this child unattended.

• 1:29:09Speaker 00

  And at least you're getting answers.

• 1:29:10Speaker 01

  And I'm getting answers for somebody, but it was really hard.

• 1:29:13Speaker 02

  Discern when you get in there?

• 1:29:18Speaker 02

  To understand how they, what is the cause of the death?

• 1:29:22Speaker 01

  Sometimes it's, sometimes it's obvious and then sometimes it's not at all. Sometimes you, it's somebody who looks like they're sleeping and it doesn't look like anything has happened. And you open them up and it still doesn't look like anything.

• 1:29:33Speaker 02

  And then where do you start? Like, how do you, like, I think that if you're a shoemaker, there's somebody teaching you how to make a shoe.

• 1:29:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:41Speaker 02

  Like autopsy, like, how are you deducing?

• 1:29:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:45Speaker 02

  Who teaches you the, sort of like, these are the tricks of the trade?

• 1:29:48Speaker 01

  Well, the first thing you do is you take out the organ block. So it's, you literally have to, your entire set of organs.

• 1:29:54Speaker 02

  Everyone knows what the organ block is.

• 1:29:56Speaker 00

  I didn't even ask.

• 1:29:57Speaker 02

  It's literally a square.

• 1:29:59Speaker 01

  Essentially.

• 1:30:00Speaker 00

  I didn't know, okay.

• 1:30:01Speaker 02

  You literally build igloos with them in Alaska.

• 1:30:06Speaker 00

  In Alaska?

• 1:30:07Speaker 02

  They freeze an organ block and then you step up.

• 1:30:10Speaker 01

  It can be a house.

• 1:30:11Speaker 02

  Um, yeah.

• 1:30:12Speaker 00

  And it's a yucky color.

• 1:30:13Speaker 01

  It all comes out at once.

• 1:30:14Speaker 02

  It's pucey purple.

• 1:30:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:16Speaker 00

  It's putrid.

• 1:30:17Speaker 01

  Putrid mom.

• 1:30:19Speaker 00

  Putrid mom.

• 1:30:20Speaker 01

  Putrid mom.

• 1:30:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:22Speaker 00

  That's something we lost.

• 1:30:24Speaker 02

  But then, yeah, but then you have all the, you have the, all the organs on the table.

• 1:30:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:28Speaker 02

  How does that solve the riddle?

• 1:30:30Speaker 01

  You gotta go bit by bit. There's like a process that you go through.

• 1:30:33Speaker 00

  And what are you looking for?

• 1:30:34Speaker 01

  And you take, you're gonna take spinal fluid, you're gonna take like bits of muscle.

• 1:30:38Speaker 02

  So you're literally pulling fluid to then run through a microscope?

• 1:30:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then it's the pathologist who's the one that's.

• 1:30:45Speaker 02

  Toxicology.

• 1:30:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, so you're sending them off for all that stuff, but it's, you're running like through the whole bowel, the whole intestine? That's fun?

• 1:30:53Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:30:53Speaker 00

  Sounds like it.

• 1:30:54Speaker 02

  That doesn't, no.

• 1:30:56Speaker 01

  That was hard.

• 1:30:56Speaker 00

  What is that thing they send?

• 1:30:57Speaker 02

  People end up getting rid of stuff when they die, do they let, let that go?

• 1:31:01Speaker 01

  For the most part, not always.

• 1:31:03Speaker 00

  Not always all gone.

• 1:31:04Speaker 01

  Nope.

• 1:31:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:05Speaker 01

  And when you first start working at a morgue, that's your job.

• 1:31:07Speaker 02

  This is the worst podcast ever.

• 1:31:08Speaker 00

  You're really wanna leave now?

• 1:31:11Speaker 01

  It keeps coming right back around.

• 1:31:13Speaker 02

  Oh my god, I did, I've seen a couple dead people and I did not like it.

• 1:31:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's not, it's not great.

• 1:31:18Speaker 00

  I don't love seeing a dead body.

• 1:31:19Speaker 02

  And I love the people.

• 1:31:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, oh, see that, and that's even worse.

• 1:31:22Speaker 00

  It's much worse. I don't love an open casket situation.

• 1:31:25Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:31:25Speaker 02

  My mom used to have to kiss the dead when they were little.

• 1:31:29Speaker 01

  That was like a thing.

• 1:31:30Speaker 02

  Catholic, yeah.

• 1:31:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:31Speaker 02

  And they would have their mouths wired shut and she'd have to go down and kiss them.

• 1:31:35Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:31:36Speaker 00

  Oh my god.

• 1:31:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, my mom, that's what killed Catholicism for a while.

• 1:31:39Speaker 00

  That's solid.

• 1:31:40Speaker 02

  My mom's like, that doesn't seem like that's what Jesus wants.

• 1:31:43Speaker 00

  That's pretty valid.

• 1:31:44Speaker 02

  Jesus should not ask for this.

• 1:31:45Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:31:45Speaker 02

  Kiss her, kiss her, kiss her!

• 1:31:47Speaker 01

  Kiss that dead person.

• 1:31:48Speaker 02

  Jesus is sitting over you, kiss thee, kiss thee.

• 1:31:51Speaker 01

  Kiss your dead grandma.

• 1:31:52Speaker 02

  Kiss the dead.

• 1:31:52Speaker 00

  Don't get us started, that gets weird.

• 1:31:55Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:31:56Speaker 00

  We could go into a whole, whole slew of all that.

• 1:31:59Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, there definitely is, when you start talking about dead and naked bodies, you're like, what are the dicks like? I mean, you've got, like, that has to be, you've got, no, nudity, really? You don't think about nudity?

• 1:32:13Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:32:14Speaker 02

  I mean, I literally be like, boobs.

• 1:32:17Speaker 01

  I saw a lot of naked people.

• 1:32:18Speaker 02

  Yes, I mean, you don't ever cut anyone open with like their underwear on?

• 1:32:22Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:32:23Speaker 00

  It's true.

• 1:32:23Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:32:23Speaker 00

  I've never cut anyone open.

• 1:32:25Speaker 02

  You wouldn't be interested at all in what the bits and bobbles look like?

• 1:32:29Speaker 01

  I mean, I've cut into everything there is to cut into.

• 1:32:32Speaker 00

  You've cut into like a square.

• 1:32:33Speaker 02

  Why would you ever cut into a penis?

• 1:32:36Speaker 00

  Testicular cancer.

• 1:32:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I've definitely cut into testicles.

• 1:32:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:41Speaker 00

  She went home and told her husband that right away.

• 1:32:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was like, they're very delicate, just so you know.

• 1:32:45Speaker 02

  See, you understand, finally, somebody understands.

• 1:32:48Speaker 00

  But she, we also think you guys are overreacting when you get kicked. Getting punched in the boob hurts much worse, I promise.

• 1:32:54Speaker 02

  No way.

• 1:32:55Speaker 00

  Absolutely.

• 1:32:57Speaker 02

  Can you back this up as a, as a, as a scientist? As somebody who's seen the fragility of nuts?

• 1:33:05Speaker 01

  I know, I can't, I cannot testify to the pain level.

• 1:33:08Speaker 02

  You can't testify?

• 1:33:10Speaker 01

  I can testicularify to how, to how delicate they are.

• 1:33:14Speaker 02

  Well, I assure you, weirdos.

• 1:33:18Speaker 00

  We're now debating, we each came with points.

• 1:33:21Speaker 02

  I'm actually pretty angry right now.

• 1:33:22Speaker 01

  Oh no.

• 1:33:23Speaker 02

  I don't think you understand me.

• 1:33:26Speaker 00

  Maybe I don't, maybe we don't understand each other.

• 1:33:28Speaker 02

  Punch me in the boob and I'll kick you in the nuts. And let's see which hurts worse.

• 1:33:33Speaker 00

  Well, that's gonna be tough.

• 1:33:34Speaker 01

  That's hard.

• 1:33:36Speaker 00

  You'd have to go.

• 1:33:37Speaker 02

  Now it's getting very exposed that I was the only one excited to see dead people's bodies.

• 1:33:41Speaker 01

  It's true.

• 1:33:44Speaker 00

  Do you wanna talk about Thirteen Ghosts?

• 1:33:47Speaker 02

  By the way, speaking of naked people.

• 1:33:48Speaker 00

  He said no.

• 1:33:49Speaker 02

  By the way, no, Thirteen Ghosts, there's a naked woman around.

• 1:33:52Speaker 01

  Like, hell naked.

• 1:33:53Speaker 02

  And I really liked looking at her.

• 1:33:55Speaker 01

  I bet you did, I think everybody did.

• 1:33:57Speaker 02

  That guy, see, why am I getting creepy? We've been here for too long.

• 1:34:01Speaker 01

  We bring it out, we're nearing the end, I promise.

• 1:34:04Speaker 02

  We are?

• 1:34:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, there's a way out for you.

• 1:34:06Speaker 02

  Thirteen Ghosts.

• 1:34:07Speaker 01

  Um, no, she was.

• 1:34:08Speaker 02

  That's not my favorite ghost.

• 1:34:09Speaker 01

  She was the perfect person to have completely naked, yeah, the fallen princess.

• 1:34:14Speaker 02

  Fallen princess? Is that what it is?

• 1:34:16Speaker 01

  Are they?

• 1:34:16Speaker 00

  I think it is.

• 1:34:17Speaker 02

  That movie, I will tell you, that movie, I always say this, is terrible, but I say that.

• 1:34:22Speaker 00

  You're saying the movie is terrible?

• 1:34:23Speaker 02

  I am, that's, that's my joke, my joke is that movie's terrible. I actually don't think the movie's terrible, I actually think it's super fun. And that movie is one of those movies that

• 1:34:39Speaker 02

  in my life, I'm like, I feel like I should be more successful in Hollywood than I am.

• 1:34:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:44Speaker 02

  I feel like I should have better, more shots and higher, like on the call sheet, been number one every now and then.

• 1:34:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:50Speaker 02

  And I think it's because Hollywood doesn't understand how popular Scooby Doo is, how popular Thirteen Ghosts is.

• 1:34:57Speaker 00

  The cult classics.

• 1:34:58Speaker 02

  How popular SLC punk is.

• 1:34:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:59Speaker 02

  And they don't, on The Man on the Street is like, those movies are hugely successful.

• 1:35:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:35:06Speaker 02

  But in Hollywood terms, they're like, they don't think about it.

• 1:35:09Speaker 01

  It's like Alien.

• 1:35:09Speaker 00

  That's so weird.

• 1:35:10Speaker 02

  No, yeah.

• 1:35:11Speaker 01

  That is weird.

• 1:35:12Speaker 00

  Why do you think that is?

• 1:35:13Speaker 02

  Um, it's respect, they don't respect, for the longest time, like, when I did a majority of the growth I had in this industry when I was younger, um, nobody's, nobody would respect Thirteen Ghosts, right? I mean, Scream, they respected because they did box office, but Skeet popped. Jamie had a moment where he went off to do multiple movies.

• 1:35:36Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:35:36Speaker 02

  You know, and Neve obviously popped.

• 1:35:39Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:35:40Speaker 02

  And I just didn't pop, and everyone was like, Scream changed your life, like, it didn't.

• 1:35:44Speaker 01

  Yep, that's, that's crazy.

• 1:35:46Speaker 02

  It didn't, it didn't change my life at all.

• 1:35:47Speaker 01

  That really is crazy.

• 1:35:48Speaker 02

  Nothing changed my life.

• 1:35:49Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 1:35:50Speaker 02

  For the longest time.

• 1:35:51Speaker 00

  Well, it finally did.

• 1:35:53Speaker 02

  I mean, Five Nights at Freddy's was, has been a huge moment in my life, because like, why am I having this moment of like resurgence?

• 1:36:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:02Speaker 02

  Um, two things, I think, Five Nights at Freddy's, and then I do a lot of conventions.

• 1:36:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:08Speaker 02

  That once people see me at a convention or go to a Q and A, like, I feel like I make friends. And I think people are like, oh, I like him.

• 1:36:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:16Speaker 02

  And I think that that sort of.

• 1:36:17Speaker 01

  That makes a difference.

• 1:36:18Speaker 02

  Starts to generate attention, but I don't know.

• 1:36:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:22Speaker 00

  I think that makes sense.

• 1:36:23Speaker 01

  I think so, yeah.

• 1:36:24Speaker 02

  How many times, can we ask the editor a count, how many times my head goes back and forth?

• 1:36:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:36:29Speaker 02

  I feel like my shit is gonna snap off. My head.

• 1:36:34Speaker 00

  You've been doing it a while.

• 1:36:35Speaker 01

  I feel like you're totally just.

• 1:36:37Speaker 02

  So in the middle, the problem is that in the middle is Mr. Violence and he, look at him. Look at him, he's just eyeballing me like he's gonna punch me in the mouth.

• 1:36:45Speaker 00

  You never know.

• 1:36:47Speaker 01

  We're just seeing like the side of my face, because I'm just like.

• 1:36:49Speaker 00

  No, well, you know, you get that shot.

• 1:36:51Speaker 01

  Oh, I do get that shot.

• 1:36:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, you get a full-on shot.

• 1:36:53Speaker 01

  All right, good. So which of the thirteen ghosts is scariest to you? Cause there's a lot of scary ones.

• 1:36:59Speaker 02

  I love the jackal.

• 1:37:00Speaker 01

  Me too.

• 1:37:01Speaker 02

  But none of them are scary to me.

• 1:37:03Speaker 01

  None of them.

• 1:37:03Speaker 02

  You know none of them are real.

• 1:37:05Speaker 01

  I know that.

• 1:37:07Speaker 00

  She's like, god damn it, I know.

• 1:37:09Speaker 02

  But all of your questions are like, what is, what is he thinking when he's right behind Billy?

• 1:37:14Speaker 01

  You have to be.

• 1:37:16Speaker 02

  When you were running from the jackal, dude, was he fast? He looked fast.

• 1:37:21Speaker 01

  You are ruining this.

• 1:37:22Speaker 02

  I know, I'm really not sorry.

• 1:37:24Speaker 01

  You're so creative. You're so creative. How are you not in this with me?

• 1:37:28Speaker 02

  I am not with you.

• 1:37:30Speaker 01

  Be with me here.

• 1:37:32Speaker 02

  You know, it's funny, when you see them, when you see them.

• 1:37:35Speaker 01

  How have they fallen so far?

• 1:37:37Speaker 02

  Can we switch?

• 1:37:38Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:37:38Speaker 02

  Can you come over?

• 1:37:39Speaker 00

  No, I can't.

• 1:37:40Speaker 01

  Are we to fight?

• 1:37:42Speaker 02

  I don't.

• 1:37:42Speaker 01

  What happened?

• 1:37:43Speaker 00

  You better make up, we have 20 minutes left.

• 1:37:45Speaker 02

  Fuck this.

• 1:37:46Speaker 00

  What's going on? Are you sweating now? It is a little hot.

• 1:37:49Speaker 02

  It is hot.

• 1:37:50Speaker 00

  It is pretty hot in here.

• 1:37:52Speaker 02

  Hey weirdos, I just want you to know something, they can't afford air conditioning, send money now. Oh my god.

• 1:37:59Speaker 00

  We can't afford it, I do, I'm sweating.

• 1:38:02Speaker 01

  Oh, shut up.

• 1:38:03Speaker 02

  Look at that dude.

• 1:38:04Speaker 00

  What is that?

• 1:38:05Speaker 02

  It's a seven!

• 1:38:06Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:38:07Speaker 02

  That's how we do.

• 1:38:08Speaker 00

  I thought it was a peace sign.

• 1:38:08Speaker 02

  It's my gang sign, gang, gang.

• 1:38:10Speaker 00

  Throwing up signs at the end of the.

• 1:38:12Speaker 02

  Um, yes, it's not fucking real.

• 1:38:15Speaker 01

  Okay, but if you.

• 1:38:17Speaker 02

  But it's not real.

• 1:38:18Speaker 00

  I'm gonna pee my pants.

• 1:38:19Speaker 02

  It's literally, just so you know, it's a glass house that's a portal to hell. Which part of that sounds like a good fucking idea? Which part of that's real?

• 1:38:29Speaker 01

  We're in a fight.

• 1:38:30Speaker 02

  Tony Shalhoub is not actually in the house, like, what are we talking about?

• 1:38:35Speaker 01

  We are in a fight, Matthew. You actually just ruined your life.

• 1:38:39Speaker 00

  You ruined your life.

• 1:38:40Speaker 01

  You don't think the juggernaut would be scary if it was real?

• 1:38:43Speaker 00

  What if it was?

• 1:38:45Speaker 01

  If it was real.

• 1:38:46Speaker 02

  But it's not.

• 1:38:47Speaker 01

  It's real.

• 1:38:48Speaker 00

  He can't put himself there, it seems.

• 1:38:50Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:38:50Speaker 00

  He can't put himself there.

• 1:38:52Speaker 01

  It's real, you can look at it.

• 1:38:54Speaker 02

  Somebody help me, somebody help me, somewhere in America right now, I'm still in this fucking studio, trying to explain to them the difference between real and not real.

• 1:39:03Speaker 01

  I won't hear it, I won't hear it.

• 1:39:05Speaker 02

  That is clear.

• 1:39:05Speaker 01

  I will not.

• 1:39:06Speaker 02

  You have problems.

• 1:39:07Speaker 01

  You have problems.

• 1:39:08Speaker 02

  Are you in a relationship? Who is your husband?

• 1:39:10Speaker 01

  My husband.

• 1:39:11Speaker 02

  Do you, are you gay? What's happening?

• 1:39:13Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:39:13Speaker 02

  Who are you? What? Who partners this person?

• 1:39:18Speaker 00

  He's a great man.

• 1:39:19Speaker 02

  He is.

• 1:39:20Speaker 00

  Who would marry?

• 1:39:21Speaker 02

  I don't, yes.

• 1:39:23Speaker 00

  Why is she gay?

• 1:39:24Speaker 02

  I know, I'm just curious.

• 1:39:27Speaker 02

  I literally said, I said, are you married? But then I didn't want to sound like I assumed a man.

• 1:39:34Speaker 00

  That way, but it isn't it.

• 1:39:35Speaker 01

  It is a man.

• 1:39:35Speaker 00

  He's a cis man.

• 1:39:36Speaker 02

  Is he okay?

• 1:39:38Speaker 00

  He is great.

• 1:39:39Speaker 01

  He puts up with it.

• 1:39:40Speaker 00

  He's hilarious. But sometimes we share a look.

• 1:39:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:44Speaker 00

  We know, we know her.

• 1:39:46Speaker 01

  It's true.

• 1:39:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, and we love her.

• 1:39:47Speaker 01

  And I thought you knew me.

• 1:39:49Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:39:49Speaker 01

  But apparently not.

• 1:39:51Speaker 00

  I thought, I thought you guys are sharing a look.

• 1:39:55Speaker 00

  Why?

• 1:39:55Speaker 01

  It's like a common theme in my life.

• 1:39:57Speaker 02

  I'm never coming back.

• 1:39:59Speaker 01

  That's upsetting.

• 1:40:00Speaker 00

  Never coming back now?

• 1:40:01Speaker 01

  We started off really strong.

• 1:40:02Speaker 00

  Oh, look, it's coming back.

• 1:40:04Speaker 02

  By the way, she's sweating.

• 1:40:06Speaker 00

  It's really hot in here. I am in an oven right now.

• 1:40:10Speaker 01

  I have a lot of hair.

• 1:40:11Speaker 02

  They didn't cut this down, what you're seeing is the episode of 13 hours of just talking. Listen, by the way, nobody's watching this fucking show.

• 1:40:21Speaker 00

  They are.

• 1:40:22Speaker 02

  The weirdos would be like, this is lame.

• 1:40:25Speaker 00

  No, they're gonna love this. You underestimate, one, how much people love you, and, two, quite frankly, how much they love us.

• 1:40:29Speaker 02

  They, let's be honest.

• 1:40:31Speaker 00

  Let's be.

• 1:40:32Speaker 02

  Wait, who am I again this episode?

• 1:40:34Speaker 00

  You're Josh Hartnett.

• 1:40:35Speaker 02

  They tuned in for Josh Hartnett.

• 1:40:37Speaker 00

  And that's who you are today.

• 1:40:38Speaker 02

  When they saw me, they're like, oh. He doesn't have abs.

• 1:40:44Speaker 00

  Legally, can we name this an interview with Josh Hartnett?

• 1:40:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, with Josh Hartnett.

• 1:40:48Speaker 00

  Is that legal?

• 1:40:49Speaker 01

  Actually, people keep thinking that we are having you on the show. Every time we are like, oh, we have a fun guest, they're like, Matthew Lillard. They just assume that you're coming.

• 1:40:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:40:59Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:40:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:00Speaker 02

  I'm so glad I said yes to this podcast.

• 1:41:02Speaker 00

  I'm so glad that you did.

• 1:41:04Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 1:41:04Speaker 00

  We're so glad that you don't regret it in the middle of it.

• 1:41:06Speaker 02

  Also, like, I'm glad you guys came in. Like, we would never have had the same fun if you were doing it.

• 1:41:11Speaker 01

  No, Zoom just doesn't have the same energy.

• 1:41:13Speaker 02

  I'm glad you came in. Thank you for coming in.

• 1:41:15Speaker 00

  Thank you for coming in.

• 1:41:17Speaker 01

  Thank you for reconnecting with me.

• 1:41:18Speaker 02

  Thank you for coming in.

• 1:41:21Speaker 00

  She's gonna be upset with me on the way home if you keep this up.

• 1:41:24Speaker 02

  Mr. Violence, I wish you weren't here. I'm kidding.

• 1:41:30Speaker 02

  It's not, sometimes my jokes go too far.

• 1:41:33Speaker 00

  No, they're actually very funny.

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• 1:45:23Speaker 00

  Let's go Curve.

• 1:45:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, do people ever ask you about the Curve?

• 1:45:25Speaker 02

  Never once.

• 1:45:26Speaker 01

  Never?

• 1:45:26Speaker 00

  No, he said her really weird for it.

• 1:45:28Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 1:45:28Speaker 00

  It's a wild movie.

• 1:45:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, why do you say that?

• 1:45:32Speaker 00

  She showed me 12 minutes of it the other day.

• 1:45:35Speaker 02

  You didn't watch the movie?

• 1:45:36Speaker 00

  Not the full movie, she's watched the full movie, so maybe you guys can reconnect on this, and maybe now we're in a fight.

• 1:45:41Speaker 02

  Why are you, why do you make me so sad?

• 1:45:43Speaker 00

  I'm so sorry.

• 1:45:44Speaker 02

  I love that you watch reality TV, but not Matthew Lillard in The Curve.

• 1:45:48Speaker 00

  In The Curve? You know, I want to finish watching it, actually.

• 1:45:51Speaker 02

  It's actually fun. What, what are you gonna say?

• 1:45:53Speaker 01

  He, so your character, Tim, is horrific. Like, really dark.

• 1:45:57Speaker 02

  He has motivations.

• 1:45:58Speaker 01

  But he's really dark.

• 1:45:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, he needs an A.

• 1:46:01Speaker 00

  Only for one semester, though.

• 1:46:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, but still, like, listen.

• 1:46:05Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 1:46:06Speaker 02

  It's important, he needs a 4.0.

• 1:46:07Speaker 01

  Would you kill your roommate for a 4.0?

• 1:46:10Speaker 02

  I'd kill my roommate for a 2.75.

• 1:46:16Speaker 02

  It's passing.

• 1:46:17Speaker 00

  That's what I graduated with.

• 1:46:19Speaker 02

  Seas get degrees.

• 1:46:20Speaker 01

  I feel weird being next to you now.

• 1:46:23Speaker 00

  Maybe we, maybe we won't stay at your house. If I'm in California, because we'll be your roommates.

• 1:46:28Speaker 02

  True crime.

• 1:46:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:46:30Speaker 02

  True crime.

• 1:46:31Speaker 00

  I'm in full circle.

• 1:46:32Speaker 02

  Shaggy kills true crime. That would be horrible. I promise you, I won't kill you both.

• 1:46:38Speaker 00

  Thank you. He only looked me in the eyes when he said that. He said, you only looked me in the eyes.

• 1:46:47Speaker 02

  I probably, no.

• 1:46:48Speaker 01

  You couldn't.

• 1:46:49Speaker 02

  I, no, I would never, I would never.

• 1:46:51Speaker 01

  I'm far too scrappy.

• 1:46:54Speaker 02

  Oh, God.

• 1:46:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:55Speaker 00

  She's hella scrappy.

• 1:46:56Speaker 02

  I would not, can we change something immediately?

• 1:46:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:47:00Speaker 01

  You're not really gonna kill me.

• 1:47:01Speaker 02

  Bad, I do like where we got to.

• 1:47:04Speaker 00

  Hey.

• 1:47:04Speaker 01

  We're gonna name this, Matthew Lillard is a real murderer.

• 1:47:10Speaker 01

  There's nothing you can do about it.

• 1:47:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think he could probably sue us for defamation.

• 1:47:14Speaker 02

  I have signed nothing.

• 1:47:16Speaker 00

  Maybe we should have you sign something before you go.

• 1:47:19Speaker 01

  Real quick.

• 1:47:19Speaker 02

  All right.

• 1:47:20Speaker 01

  All right, so The Curve, my question was basically that Tim is a really dark character. Were you looking for specific characters around that time that are like darker than Stu was?

• 1:47:29Speaker 02

  I think it's important to point, I like pointing this out, like, 99% of my career has been based on opportunities that come that have to say yes to feed my kids. I don't make enough money to sort of be like, yes, I'm not working for three years after that, yes, I'm not working, like, I don't have that kind of luxury. I think that when people see people that are quote-unquote famous or you recognize, you know, so many of us are, are like, you know, number five or six or seven on the call sheet, and our industry especially now is more interested in making a higher margin than they are making a good movie.

• 1:48:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:48:06Speaker 01

  That's so sad.

• 1:48:06Speaker 02

  And what that means is like, the people that aren't green lighting the movie are not paid. In fact, very famously, you know, I know that Keanu Reeves gives a portion of his money to the other sort of character actors, so that he can work with great actors. Because I won't work for Scale 10, you know, 99% of the time, unless it's Mike Flanagan calling saying, I need a favor, right?

• 1:48:33Speaker 02

  So, yeah, so it's, it's a, um, when this movie came around, it was like my third movie or fourth movie or, no, I done Scream.

• 1:48:43Speaker 01

  It was like 98, I think, right?

• 1:48:45Speaker 00

  I think you're right, 98, 99.

• 1:48:47Speaker 02

  Scream had come out, I don't know, it was right before.

• 1:48:49Speaker 00

  I think The Curve came out first.

• 1:48:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, because Scream was 96, and I think this was 98, I want to say.

• 1:48:56Speaker 02

  Oh, maybe it's years, yeah.

• 1:48:57Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 1:48:57Speaker 02

  I, I didn't, yeah, Scream, yeah, Scream's a great example, people don't know, so I don't talk about it that much, but I shot, huh?

• 1:49:04Speaker 00

  But you feel safe here?

• 1:49:06Speaker 02

  I, I do, I actually do, and I want, if I'm gonna tell anyone, I'd rather tell you.

• 1:49:10Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:49:11Speaker 02

  But Scream, like, we, we worked for four weeks, I got paid $5,000 a week.

• 1:49:16Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:49:17Speaker 02

  So, that's, by the way, if you got paid $5,000 a week your entire year, it's a pretty good year, it's pretty good, you're making a lot of money.

• 1:49:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:24Speaker 02

  But if you don't then work for another, you know,

• 1:49:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:28Speaker 02

  eight months, nine months, it's not that much money, and you are paid as if you're making $5,000 a year, so the tax bracket you're in is the top tax bracket. You have an agent that takes 10% before taxes.

• 1:49:41Speaker 00

  You have a manager too.

• 1:49:42Speaker 02

  As a manager, it takes before gross, so you're, you're making, you know, $5,000 an episode, you're probably making 2,200 bucks.

• 1:49:51Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 1:49:52Speaker 02

  And then you have to live on that. The movie then goes on to make billion dollars worldwide.

• 1:49:58Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:49:58Speaker 02

  And I have gotten paid, you know,

• 1:50:03Speaker 02

  Fourth, five, you know, and listen.

• 1:50:04Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 1:50:05Speaker 02

  You make residuals, but residuals aren't crazy.

• 1:50:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:07Speaker 02

  And it's based on what you make the first time around.

• 1:50:10Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 1:50:10Speaker 02

  Right?

• 1:50:10Speaker 01

  I didn't even realize that.

• 1:50:11Speaker 02

  This idea of like, people are like, you know, you're rich, you're in movies. I'm like, that's not the case.

• 1:50:17Speaker 01

  Actually.

• 1:50:18Speaker 02

  In any way, shape or form. Now, I've definitely had movies where I have been paid, which have given me a comfort in life that I totally acknowledge, and I'm very privileged. But the reality is that majority of my life has been stuck in this realm of, I don't know how I'm gonna make it.

• 1:50:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:36Speaker 02

  You know, at one point, my wife and I sold our house, sold our cars, and went back to, I fired my agent, my lawyer, my manager, and three consecutive phone calls.

• 1:50:46Speaker 01

  Damn, damn.

• 1:50:46Speaker 02

  And I was like, I have to reset.

• 1:50:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:49Speaker 02

  And the reason I had to reset is because I thought I was the shit, and the reality was, I was not. I thought I was a star, I was not. I thought I would, I thought I would deserve big movies. And I'm like, oh, I may never get another job ever. And at that point, I had kids, and I was like, well,

• 1:51:08Speaker 02

  if this is the case, what am I gonna do?

• 1:51:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:10Speaker 02

  Like, how am I actually gonna feed my kids? And my father-in-law, who I adore, at that point said, you know, if you sold pharmaceuticals, you'd make a lot of money because you're really charming. And I was like, I've done fucking thirty movies.

• 1:51:26Speaker 01

  You're like, what?

• 1:51:26Speaker 02

  I'm not going to like, hey, Viagra.

• 1:51:31Speaker 02

  I'm not going door to, you know, I'm not.

• 1:51:32Speaker 00

  Not a natural progression.

• 1:51:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's also like, it's complete.

• 1:51:37Speaker 02

  I would be doing what I'm doing no matter what, whether I was making money or not. And I was like, oh, but if that's the case, then if I don't get a chance to ever do another movie, then what am I gonna do? And I was like, oh, I'm gonna sell everything. We still live in the house we bought, our mortgage is sixteen hundred bucks a month. My wife went back to work, I went back to work. I drove a Prius for ten years.

• 1:51:58Speaker 01

  Hell, yeah.

• 1:51:58Speaker 02

  And it's a great car. It's an amazing car. And I love driving the Prius. And every time people are like, why are you driving a Prius? I'm like, because I have no money. And that was the thing, is like, I, people are like, why are you selling your house? And my wife and I, my wife really had a hard time with it, because we had this beautiful house, we loved our house. But I'm like, I can't live like this any longer, because it's all bullshit. We're like, it's all smoke and mirrors.

• 1:52:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:22Speaker 02

  And I would go around, and people are like, why'd you guys move? I'm like, because I can't afford it. I'm not working. And the more I let go of the shame of struggling, the more I became confident in who I was as a man, as a person. And then I could say to my kids, yeah, we sold the house because we didn't have the money, we just changed the way we live, and now I'm teaching acting.

• 1:52:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:44Speaker 02

  And I was like, I'll just make money as a teacher the rest of my life. And then along comes The Descendants with George Clooney, the single greatest role in the history of cinema, because I steal George Clooney's wife.

• 1:52:56Speaker 01

  Hell, yeah.

• 1:52:57Speaker 02

  And it never happens.

• 1:52:59Speaker 01

  It happened.

• 1:53:00Speaker 02

  And, but it happened.

• 1:53:01Speaker 01

  Apparently it didn't.

• 1:53:02Speaker 02

  This guy did it.

• 1:53:02Speaker 01

  Actually, because it was fake.

• 1:53:04Speaker 02

  Uh, and, you know, and that's.

• 1:53:06Speaker 01

  It actually didn't happen because it was fake.

• 1:53:08Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:53:09Speaker 01

  According to you.

• 1:53:11Speaker 01

  Using your own logic against you.

• 1:53:14Speaker 01

  I was like, wait, I was really proud of you for it.

• 1:53:16Speaker 02

  You know, that, that whole thing was like, amazing, and changed everything.

• 1:53:21Speaker 01

  I love that. And we do that a lot.

• 1:53:24Speaker 00

  Oh, my God, nobody ever calls us out for it, but we do it a lot.

• 1:53:27Speaker 02

  A bunch of times.

• 1:53:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:28Speaker 02

  I'm like, oh, shit.

• 1:53:29Speaker 01

  It happens a lot.

• 1:53:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:53:30Speaker 01

  Well, and also, you taught your kids to adapt.

• 1:53:33Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:53:33Speaker 01

  That like, you should, that you can adapt.

• 1:53:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:35Speaker 01

  And that it can work out.

• 1:53:36Speaker 02

  I have two artists, two of my three kids are artists, and our rule in our house is that we pay for college and happy to pay for college. And when we're done paying for the college, we're done paying for your life.

• 1:53:46Speaker 01

  Oh, I love that.

• 1:53:47Speaker 02

  You have to, you're on your own.

• 1:53:49Speaker 00

  That's super.

• 1:53:50Speaker 02

  And you're always welcome here, we love you, we'll always bail you out if you need it. Like, you have a safety net. But this really sucks, but you're on your own.

• 1:53:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:59Speaker 02

  And it's hard, because my, my oldest is a brilliant artist, and she's having a hard time working three jobs.

• 1:54:06Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:54:06Speaker 02

  And affording to live in LA.

• 1:54:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:11Speaker 02

  And then doing art on top of it, it's like, almost impossible.

• 1:54:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:15Speaker 02

  But that's, that's the.

• 1:54:17Speaker 00

  It's character building.

• 1:54:18Speaker 02

  That's the, I mean, that's the reality.

• 1:54:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:54:22Speaker 01

  Well, should we end, we have a minute.

• 1:54:24Speaker 00

  We have one minute left.

• 1:54:25Speaker 01

  On Would You Rathers?

• 1:54:27Speaker 00

  We'll go rapid fire.

• 1:54:28Speaker 01

  Rapid fire, Would You Rathers?

• 1:54:29Speaker 00

  All right. Would you rather?

• 1:54:31Speaker 01

  You're gonna have to get creative here, though.

• 1:54:32Speaker 00

  I was gonna say, you know, it's not real.

• 1:54:34Speaker 02

  Okay, yeah.

• 1:54:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:35Speaker 02

  I got you.

• 1:54:35Speaker 00

  Would you rather be trapped in Stu Makler's house with Ghostface, or trapped in you in high school on Carrie's prom night?

• 1:54:46Speaker 02

  You, I would rather be Carrie's prom night, because it's the culmination of her, like, winning the day, and I'd rather be a part of that than some teenage slasher's wet fantasy.

• 1:54:58Speaker 00

  Hell, yeah.

• 1:54:58Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 1:54:59Speaker 00

  Great answer.

• 1:55:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, if I'm gonna be Carnage, I wanna be in the name of serving a girl who's like, rising up into a badass superhero.

• 1:55:07Speaker 01

  Having a real good for her moment.

• 1:55:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, exactly.

• 1:55:09Speaker 00

  I like that a lot.

• 1:55:10Speaker 01

  Would you rather never act again, or only play one character for the rest of your career?

• 1:55:15Speaker 02

  Never act again.

• 1:55:16Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 1:55:17Speaker 00

  I feel like you just told us that.

• 1:55:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was gonna say, that kinda came right from that.

• 1:55:20Speaker 02

  But I would then pivot to being like, a knight at medieval times, or like, a fight choreographer, or like, a teacher, like, I would.

• 1:55:28Speaker 01

  You would get it.

• 1:55:28Speaker 02

  I would find something to do, but I would never just play. I mean, I, I will say that, you know, the golden handcuffs of doing like, a CBS show, and you're like, oh, I'm making a gazillion dollars. I don't, nothing against them, I, there may be a come, a time that I do that. But three, I think that would be really hard for me.

• 1:55:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I get that.

• 1:55:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. You make a lot of money, but I'm not here for the money, I'm, I actually, I, it's, I, I would, like I said, it's like, who I am. I love to act, and if I'm not, if I can't play, if it's not fun, then I don't know, I don't know if I would do well in that environment.

• 1:56:01Speaker 01

  I get that.

• 1:56:02Speaker 00

  That makes sense.

• 1:56:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:56:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:56:03Speaker 00

  All right, spend one more year in nineteen ninety-six, or jump ahead and see twenty forty-six?

• 1:56:08Speaker 02

  Nineteen ninety-six, only because I'm terrified of what twenty forty-six is.

• 1:56:12Speaker 00

  Same. That's exactly how I feel.

• 1:56:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:56:16Speaker 01

  Would you rather spend a night inside Freddie Fazbear's Pizza, or spend a night alone in the Thirteen Ghosts house?

• 1:56:22Speaker 02

  Uh, Fazbear's, because I play Wayne Afton, and I run those bastards.

• 1:56:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you didn't farewell in the other place.

• 1:56:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, no, that, yeah. And also, that place isn't real, but Freddie's Fazbear's.

• 1:56:32Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:56:34Speaker 00

  Wow. Strikes again, folks.

• 1:56:35Speaker 01

  We're still doing this.

• 1:56:36Speaker 00

  All right, rapid fire, moving on. Would you rather have to escape Ghostface with me, who has a weapon but no plan?

• 1:56:42Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:56:43Speaker 00

  Or escape with Elena, who has an elaborate plan, but she lost her weapon?

• 1:56:49Speaker 01

  Use your brain on this one.

• 1:56:51Speaker 00

  Remember, you're in a fight with Elena.

• 1:56:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:56:53Speaker 02

  I'm gonna go weapon, no plan.

• 1:56:56Speaker 01

  Weapon, no plan, I had a feeling.

• 1:56:57Speaker 02

  Gosh.

• 1:56:58Speaker 00

  I feel, you do need a weapon for Ghostface.

• 1:57:00Speaker 01

  I, and I feel like that's bad.

• 1:57:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, but we're, nobody's making it out alive, so I don't wanna hang with her.

• 1:57:06Speaker 01

  I am, I'm making it out alive.

• 1:57:07Speaker 02

  You're not, you don't have a weapon.

• 1:57:09Speaker 01

  I'm, I have a plan.

• 1:57:10Speaker 02

  You're scrappy, too.

• 1:57:11Speaker 01

  I'm scrappy, and I have a plan.

• 1:57:12Speaker 00

  You have no idea.

• 1:57:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:57:13Speaker 00

  She's just an autopsy technician.

• 1:57:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:57:15Speaker 00

  She has a weapon all the time.

• 1:57:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:57:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, okay. I don't, I don't think any of us are making it out.

• 1:57:21Speaker 01

  I think I'm making it out.

• 1:57:22Speaker 00

  I can make it out with a weapon.

• 1:57:23Speaker 01

  I'll miss you guys.

• 1:57:24Speaker 02

  What kind of weapon is it?

• 1:57:25Speaker 00

  A big knife.

• 1:57:28Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:57:29Speaker 01

  Does that change your mind?

• 1:57:30Speaker 02

  I'll go with you. I'm still with a weapon, yeah.

• 1:57:31Speaker 00

  Okay, cool, loves it.

• 1:57:32Speaker 01

  Well, I'm making it out. I'll miss you guys.

• 1:57:35Speaker 02

  Breaking up now because of the weapon.

• 1:57:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:57:37Speaker 00

  I know, and it's at the end of the show, too.

• 1:57:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:57:40Speaker 00

  All right, last one.

• 1:57:41Speaker 01

  All right, the last one is have, would you rather have William Afton as your roommate, or Tim from The Curve?

• 1:57:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, we're weird.

• 1:57:48Speaker 01

  Or Tim from The Curve babysit your kids?

• 1:57:52Speaker 02

  Is he already graduated?

• 1:57:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:57:55Speaker 02

  Take, take Tim from The Curve, he is what he is.

• 1:57:57Speaker 00

  He's a four-point-O.

• 1:57:58Speaker 02

  He's a four-point-O. He went off to make a lot of money, he's fine.

• 1:58:02Speaker 00

  Fascinating. Tell them stories that would rock their worlds, I think.

• 1:58:06Speaker 02

  William Afton would kill my children and.

• 1:58:08Speaker 00

  He is a child murderer.

• 1:58:09Speaker 02

  Yes, I mean, there's no way.

• 1:58:11Speaker 00

  Oh, wait.

• 1:58:11Speaker 01

  You being, he's just your roommate. So you're William Afton's roommate, or Tim is babysitting your kids?

• 1:58:16Speaker 00

  So you could get real meta, and as William Afton, Tim your roommate?

• 1:58:21Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:58:21Speaker 02

  This is the weirdest way to end this really lovely experience.

• 1:58:25Speaker 00

  You're welcome.

• 1:58:26Speaker 02

  On morbid.

• 1:58:28Speaker 01

  Happy to hear it.

• 1:58:29Speaker 02

  I will take whatever the audience suggests, where they'll do a write-in campaign and tell me what I should do.

• 1:58:34Speaker 01

  That was a hard one.

• 1:58:34Speaker 00

  Thanks for the numbers there.

• 1:58:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, I like that.

• 1:58:36Speaker 00

  Nice.

• 1:58:36Speaker 02

  There you go. I need you to answer every single one of them.

• 1:58:39Speaker 01

  I like that.

• 1:58:40Speaker 02

  You guys, um, that was super fun.

• 1:58:43Speaker 01

  This was so fun.

• 1:58:44Speaker 02

  When are we doing it again? I mean, obviously, we're gonna be in San Diego next year.

• 1:58:47Speaker 00

  You'll come on the show again?

• 1:58:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, oh, yeah.

• 1:58:49Speaker 00

  You guys can resurrect your friendship next time.

• 1:58:51Speaker 01

  We'll get through it next time.

• 1:58:53Speaker 02

  I think we will.

• 1:58:54Speaker 01

  I think we're okay.

• 1:58:54Speaker 02

  Can we, what are the, oh, you have the horror podcast?

• 1:58:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:59Speaker 02

  I like this podcast.

• 1:59:00Speaker 01

  And the rewatch.

• 1:59:01Speaker 02

  What do we usually talk about? I wanna talk about, what do you guys usually talk about?

• 1:59:05Speaker 01

  Well, we, we either talk about like.

• 1:59:06Speaker 02

  True crimes.

• 1:59:07Speaker 01

  Actual crime, or we talk about like.

• 1:59:09Speaker 00

  Paranormal.

• 1:59:09Speaker 01

  Paranormal stuff, we talk about weird history.

• 1:59:12Speaker 02

  Okay, that's what I thought we were gonna end up.

• 1:59:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:59:14Speaker 02

  Somehow, I thought you were gonna talk me through that.

• 1:59:16Speaker 00

  Whenever we have a guest on, we usually kinda make it a little more tailored toward them, but now that we know you like true crime and weird stuff.

• 1:59:24Speaker 02

  I don't really like true crime, but I think I would be interested.

• 1:59:26Speaker 01

  What about weird history?

• 1:59:28Speaker 00

  Like a dancing plague.

• 1:59:29Speaker 01

  Or like bog bodies?

• 1:59:32Speaker 02

  Bog bodies?

• 1:59:33Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:59:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, whatever. I'm down.

• 1:59:35Speaker 00

  All right, sick.

• 1:59:36Speaker 02

  I like you both.

• 1:59:36Speaker 00

  We like you too. We like you. This is great.

• 1:59:38Speaker 02

  Super fun.

• 1:59:39Speaker 00

  All right, well, thank you guys so much for listening to this very long podcast as we...

• 1:59:45Speaker 02

  They're never gonna make it through.

• 1:59:46Speaker 00

  They're here. They're here.

• 1:59:47Speaker 02

  Do you think the weirdos will complete the gauntlet that is this podcast?

• 1:59:51Speaker 00

  And I think they'll ask for more.

• 1:59:52Speaker 02

  I think we literally just talked for 17 hours.

• 1:59:54Speaker 00

  We did. And they'll ask for more. And they're gonna want you back.

• 1:59:57Speaker 02

  No way.

• 1:59:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, they absolutely will.

• 1:59:59Speaker 02

  I bet you they don't.

• 2:00:00Speaker 00

  Guaranteed they will.

• 2:00:01Speaker 02

  I bet you this is the end of my career.

• 2:00:02Speaker 00

  How much money?

• 2:00:03Speaker 02

  Like, people will be like, "Why didn't Matthew Lilly go?" And they'll be like, "Ah, he did that fucking podcast that's super popular and successful that everyone loves, and he bombed."

• 2:00:14Speaker 00

  No, you did not bomb.

• 2:00:15Speaker 02

  You see how fast the self-deprecation came back?

• 2:00:17Speaker 00

  I know, stop that. Now it's in your brain.

• 2:00:20Speaker 02

  I have this thing where I'll be like, I'll go to an event, I'm like, "What if nobody shows up?"

• 2:00:24Speaker 00

  Oh, I do that. We thought you weren't gonna show up today. I have a lot of imposter syndrome.

• 2:00:28Speaker 02

  Well, that was because I've been literally talking since 8 a.m.

• 2:00:31Speaker 00

  No, but even before, we were like, "What if he just doesn't come?" We were like, "What if he just ghosted us?" We said, "What if Ghostface ghosts us?"

• 2:00:36Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:00:37Speaker 00

  We thought that was funny.

• 2:00:37Speaker 02

  But I didn't. I'm totally here in the flesh and blood.

• 2:00:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:00:42Speaker 02

  By the way, I liked how you kind of flinched.

• 2:00:44Speaker 00

  I didn't know what you were doing.

• 2:00:45Speaker 02

  I'm gonna pat you. I've been patting you the whole time.

• 2:00:48Speaker 00

  I don't know if it changed. You have to end that way.

• 2:00:50Speaker 02

  Next time we come back, we're getting throat tattoos.

• 2:00:54Speaker 00

  Fuck, yeah.

• 2:00:55Speaker 02

  Like, one big fucking ghost.

• 2:00:57Speaker 00

  Hell, yeah. Just right there. First, you have to do the sign-off.

• 2:00:59Speaker 02

  Oh, okay, good. Ready?

• 2:01:01Speaker 00

  Well, we hope you keep listening. And we hope you keep it weird.

• 2:01:08Speaker 02

  Doing this thing.

• 2:01:09Speaker 00

  I was about to do that. We're going together.

• 2:01:13Speaker 00

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