Why OpenAI Paid $6.5 Billion to make the new iPhone & How Google Just Ended Hollywood w/ Dave Blundin & Salim Ismail | EP #174

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• 0:00Peter Diamandis?

  OpenAI to buy AI device startup from Apple's Johnny I for $6.5 billion.

• 0:06Speaker 01

  It's funny, in this entire AI battle, I've never been a Sam Altman fanboy until now. The first thing he does is he launches a product that competes directly with perplexity, tries to take over search and announces, kind of declares war against Google in search. Next thing he does is he goes and gets Johnny Ive and says, "Okay, now I'm gonna, now I'm gonna start building devices."

• 0:27Peter Diamandis?

  VO3 grand slam home run.

• 0:30Speaker 01

  The future of media is going to completely flip where it's on demand. Like, this is what I want to see created on the fly for me?

• 0:35Speaker 02

  Curious as to how people are going to use it at a personal level. But will I really use it to generate my own entertainment?

• 0:40Peter Diamandis?

  Hollywood is decimated. How do they continue to exist in two or three years from now?

• 0:48Speaker 01

  Now that's a moonshot, ladies and gentlemen.

• 0:53Peter Diamandis?

  Hey, everybody. Welcome to Moonshots. I'm here with my moonshot mates Dave Blundin and Salim Ismail. And this is an episode of WTF Just Happened in Tech. It's been a big week, guys, a big week on announcements, in particular with Google I/O and our friends over at Anthropic. Dave, where are you today?

• 1:11Speaker 01

  I'm in beautiful Wakefield, 10 miles north of MIT. Actually, this is a company I founded right after Data Sage. Manages $2 trillion of... There's $50 trillion in the US stock market. $2 trillion of it trades and flows through this building. So it seems sleepy, but there's a lot of digital movement through this building.

• 1:31Peter Diamandis?

  You know, you throw out trillions like they're nothing. But hey, it's good to know, good to know someone does that. And Salim, I know that you're in the bedroom about 3, 5 meters that way. So Salim and I are actually up in Tiburon. We were at an event last night that a friend of ours threw. Everybody's asleep because they got in at 2 o'clock in the morning. We're in this building on the water here. It's gorgeous. It was a conversation on quantum and consciousness. It was pretty amazing. But we got up at the crack of dawn to do this podcast because this is an incredible week. So, uh, Salim, you doing okay? You awake?

• 2:10Speaker 02

  I'm awake and I think it's an incredibly, one of the busiest weeks we've ever had in terms of tech stuff, so.

• 2:16Peter Diamandis?

  Oh, it is. All right, let's dive in. Let's talk about AI of it all. That's the winner this week in terms of tech news, and I think it's going to be the winner every week going forward. So, Dave, would you clue us in on this news? OpenAI to buy AI device startup from Apple's Johnny I for $6.5 billion. That made headlines.

• 2:42Speaker 01

  You know, it's funny, in this entire AI battle, I've never been a Sam Altman fanboy until now. This is the move of all moves, and I know Sam was talking about this, yeah, huge coup and a very aggressive move. And it was really probably in Sam's mind the whole time, he was just waiting for the $300 billion valuation so he could afford it. But he was talking about this, what, a year ago? And at the time, he backed off, didn't want to kind of wake up the competition, and he said, you know, the iPhone is probably the most perfect device ever made by mankind. And so trying to compete directly with the iPhone and the Android phone is kind of crazy.

• 3:23Speaker 01

  So he was backing off while he was still planning, and now this is the move. So the fundamental thought here is that AI is such a game changer. All the big tech companies need to have a direct-to-consumer device or interface. So, you know, Meta buys WhatsApp, Meta buys Instagram, you just got to control the consumer front end. Google builds Chrome, Google launches Android. Android doesn't even make money. Why does Google need Android? But we need to control the data and the front interface that the consumer uses every day. And of all the big AI companies, Sam is the guy who most intuitively seems to get that.

• 4:03Speaker 01

  And so, you know, the first thing he does is he launches a product that competes directly with perplexity, tries to take over search, and announces, kind of declares war against Google in search. Next thing he does is he goes and gets Johnny Ive and says, okay, now I'm going to start building devices. That the consumer interacts with directly. So, you know, a lot of the other foundation model companies are just trying to build foundation models and let the economy bubble around them. Sam is actually trying to control the high-low and get the front of the consumer and the entire AI backbone. But I think the big insight here is that you can build a consumer device that's AI-first, which means you're always talking to it. You're interacting with it like a person. And that's disruptive enough that a lot of the iPhone magic isn't really relevant.

• 4:48Speaker 01

  And so we can potentially leapfrog and bypass that. Then, you know, to spend $6.5 billion on a no-revenue idea, but you're getting the guy and the team. And that's very Steve Jobs-like. We can riff on that, but I think it's just brilliant.

• 5:04Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah. So the question ultimately is, what's the next level of device going to be? Is it going to be glasses? Is it going to be a device that's just listening all the time? And there are a few different companies coming out with this. Salim, you were going to say?

• 5:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, this, I think, blits us straight to that Jarvis thing of an agent, from your perspective, always looking at the world and listening and making sense of the world. So I think this is a huge step. As you said, Dave, very, very ballsy, and I love it.

• 5:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, actually, a very similar, Google, you know, they spent $3 billion on Character AI specifically to get Noam Shizier back. So it's another case where you're willing to write a nine-figure check for fundamentally a single human being, but you know that person's going to bring a team with them, and they're going to bring that kind of Steve Jobs magic with them. But these price tags are completely unprecedented, but then the upside on a win is also orders of magnitude bigger than ever before. So it's actually very rational.

• 6:05Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah. Well, can't wait to see what comes up next. You know, one of the questions, of course, we're going to have probably a whole slew of AI devices listening to your conversations all the time. And I think it's going to get socially... Accepted eventually, but in the beginning, you know, as you step into and you're having a conversation with your friend and you notice that they're wearing a pendant or something on their head or something on their wrist that's listening. And the question becomes, are you okay with every conversation you're having being recorded? Because that's where we're headed.

• 6:43Speaker 01

  That's where we're headed. You know, I think this actually, that podcast we had just a couple of days ago with Anish is directly related to this too. And Anish was pointing out that there are huge swaths of demographics, you know, including older people, including just huge swaths of different countries that have completely missed the iPhone, Android phone revolution. And the AI interface, the voice interface that's super empathetic opens it up. And so, you know, it's not like you have to stop everyone from using their iPhones tomorrow. What you need to do is open up whole new territories of users that were largely overlooked before. So I think this is likely to penetrate very quickly that way. And yeah, it'll be like a lightweight, easy to use, probably dirt cheap device that you're just

• 7:25Speaker 01

  talking to that has an agent as the core, doing everything you just ask it to do.

• 7:31Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, it's the lurking that's going to be interesting, right? Where, you know, you don't know, remember when Google came out with Google Glass and they were wearing them to bars and people said, they gave them the term glass holes.

• 7:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, getting beat up.

• 7:47Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah. So it's going to be, it's going to be fascinating. We're, we're about to see social norms of interactions with human to human with AI there begin to get defined very quickly.

• 7:59Speaker 02

  Look, it started already, you know, every time I have a Zoom meeting now with a few people, all their AI show up before they do. You know, the AI's don't. Wait, we're trying to have a confidential meeting here, you know, and then we have to turn them all off and stuff.

• 8:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, actually.

• 8:13Speaker 02

  The shift is happening.

• 8:15Peter Diamandis?

  You're right.

• 8:15Speaker 01

  We could riff on that for a sec, but the regulatory, there's no regulation, basically. The regulators are completely asleep at the wheel. But if you look at TCPA and you can't tap phone lines and there's very good reasons for that. But all of that is now moving to digital where there are no laws whatsoever. But you notice when Zoom calls started having AI spies on them, they announce themselves. That's all like, now they just listen and you don't even know they're there. And the same with consumer phone calls. A lot of our companies have either sales or customer support over the phone is moving to AI voices at an incredible rate, using every GPU on the planet, by the way. It works incredibly well. It's far better than a human call operator, but most of them don't tell you they're AI.

• 9:00Speaker 01

  And there's no, there's no regulation that says you have to tell you. And so a lot of the times I'm listening to the calls, the consumer, you know, about 10, 20% of the time they're aware they're talking AI, the rest of the time they're not.

• 9:11Peter Diamandis?

  But that's amazing. I mean, that's, you know, kudos to the designers there. I mean, that's, that's extraordinary and it's just going to get better and better.

• 9:19Peter Diamandis?

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• 10:18Peter Diamandis?

  All right, let's move on. We have a lot to talk about here. So this, the bottom line, sort of, Google stole the week, at least for a little bit. Dave, do you want to just outline what we're seeing here? This is a slide titled Gemini Leads Across All Models, and we're talking about Gemini versus versus GPT, 3.0, 4.5, DeepSeek, Grok, everything.

• 10:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is the Empire Strikes Back right here. So OpenAI has stolen the audience, the user base, and then AI primacy. XAI claimed it back in February very briefly. Then Google came roaring back, or sorry, OpenAI came roaring back with new models. And then that woke up Google. Google's coming in and this is the Empire Strikes Back. Okay. We have had this in the lab. We didn't know exactly how to announce it or when to announce it, but now that the competitive pressure's on, we're going completely to the wall here. This is the best of everything we've got, and we're going to roll it all out this week. And here you go. And it is mind blowing. So they're claiming the number one spot in every single category.

• 11:30Peter Diamandis?

  Just read the categories across. Yeah.

• 11:33Speaker 01

  Well, okay, so the one that caught everyone's imagination, well, overall, obviously, image generation,

• 11:41Speaker 01

  hard prompts, hard prompts is, you know, difficult questions. I guess that's pretty obvious. Coding and math. They claimed number one on that for all of a few hours. Math, they still own. Creative writing, seeing as people doing their English papers, long queries. So they've actually had dominance in super long context windows for quite a while. They just didn't tell the world about it. And this is exactly, Peter, what you were saying a couple of weeks ago. You know, big companies have a real struggle with innovator's dilemma. And so even though this has been in the lab, Demis Hassabis and the team have been working on it for a long time. They've had it. But they were so worried about how to roll it out and whether there'd be consumer backlash. And but now under competitive pressure, you know, it's unleashed.

• 12:22Peter Diamandis?

  I mean, this is this is Google over and over again. I mean, Google had transformers first. It did all the fundamental work. It basically had the equivalent of GPT, but decided not to do, you know, what everybody said, don't do this, don't put AI out in the open web. Don't make it accessible to everybody. Don't let it self referentially program itself. And of course, once it was released into the ether, Gemini or Google had to come back and demonstrate themselves. Listen, I love Google as a company. I'm impressed by their, by them. And they've got an extraordinary base to build on. I'm sorry, Salim, you were gonna say?

• 13:03Speaker 02

  No, you know, a few days ago, I generated an image of a Gutenberg printing process. They give me a photograph of it, and I did that across several models. And the Gemini one was way better than all the others. It was incredible. And so I think we're gonna find over time. The the interest is still over with OpenAI. There's a lot of attention there. But I think over time, the sheer quality will kind of come through.

• 13:26Speaker 01

  I think if you love a good drama, you know, this is the space race times a thousand. And and the players keep leapfrogging each other. And you'll see later, you know, that Google's kind of ace in the hole is that it has hardware control, hardware design control. So you go from algorithm all the way down to chip design with the TPUV7s. Nobody else has that. But the other guys have other competitive weapons we can talk about later in the pod, too. So so don't expect that this is the end. In fact, I've seen game over said now about 20 times. Every time someone leapfrog someone else, it's definitely not game over. It's game just beginning. So if you like a good drama, this is just this the next act. And we'll see that in a second.

• 14:05Peter Diamandis?

  And if anyone ever wonder, you know, is this field accelerating? It is massively accelerating, and it's the competitive pressures between these companies. It's no longer between countries. It's between a set of individual companies that are just trying to outdo each other. The challenge is that ChatGPT, i.e. OpenAI, captured the mindset of the world as a first mover advantage.

• 14:32Peter Diamandis?

  Kids throughout elementary through high school and college, you know, the average mom and dad out there, they're all using chat G P T and it's reflected in the revenues that that OpenAI have. Gemini really needs to catch up because I don't care how good you are, if your product is not being used, you're in trouble.

• 14:53Speaker 02

  This is this is an interesting thing to watch just because throughout history, even though we kind of talk about first mover advantage, it's never been the first mover that made the big bucks, right? Google wasn't the first search engine. Facebook wasn't the first social network. Uh, OpenAI has leads, it remains to be seen. It might actually be a completely new competitor that completely changes the game for everybody.

• 15:16Peter Diamandis?

  Oh, it will be. It will. It will be. I mean, there's no question about it. So let's so cure this chart that we're showing, if you're watching this on YouTube, is Google as number one across the board. But then how many hours later, Dave, did we get this? This chart and Anthropic introduces Claude four point uh four point O.

• 15:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. So amazing little twenty four hours there. Uh, so Sundar gets on stage, talks about something we'll look at in a minute, which, you know, you can use just basically all A I all the time and not use regular Google search. We'll see it in a second. Google stock goes way down. Then they, next day, they come out with V O three with a whole bunch of just mind blowing A I, you know, number one benchmarks. Stock goes up seven percent, you know, just in reaction to that. So everybody's like, what is going on here? There's so much chaos. Right in the middle of it, Claude four comes out. So Dario is like, yeah, look, Sundar just claimed number one in coding. Not true. Well, it was true yesterday. Now it's not true.

• 16:22Speaker 01

  Today we have Claude four and here are the benchmarks and these are accurate, by the way, you know, so that it really is the case that that Google was ahead in coding for about twenty four hours. Um, and now if you look at this chart, it's a pretty significant gap. Actually, Claude four has just launched to the top again, and those scores on the far left are incredibly meaningful to the people who understand what the implications are. You know, for like companies like Blitzy in our portfolio that do long form coding, three million lines of code in a single night. You know, Brian Elliott is all over YouTube talking about it. It works fundamentally because of the benchmarks on the far left. The the A I can now actually build entire products. While you're sleeping and you come back and use it the next day and it's functional. And that app, that works when these benchmarks get around 80%.

• 17:06Speaker 01

  It doesn't work when these benchmarks are around 50, 60%. There are just too many bugs in the code the next day. So even though it doesn't look like much on this chart, it's an incredible tipping point in terms of functionality when you get above that 80% level on Sui Bench. And now we need to reinvent the benchmarks, by the way. This is Sui Bench, which is the most fundamental benchmark on how good is the code written by AI. There's a new one coming out called Sui Rebench, which is just making it harder and upgrading it. But we need new benchmarks now because the AI has basically broken the benchmarks.

• 17:37Peter Diamandis?

  You know, when Ray talks about the singularity, that point after which you can't predict what's coming next. That's what you're seeing here, right? You're seeing literally a drop the mic moment over and over again, being leapfrogging everybody else. And it's awe inspiring. All right. Here's yet another part of the equation. We talked about AI improving based upon a multitude of different factors, better hardware, more capital coming in. And this one is really improvements in algorithms, algorithmic improvements. And the prediction here is we're going to see a 10x to 100x improvement algorithms. Salim or Dave might not comment on this.

• 18:22Speaker 02

  This is something we've been tracking in, say, solar energy forever, right? Where the materials become cheaper, where lithium ion batteries have dropped 90% in their price performance over the last decade. The same thing, and people forget about this. They kind of think, look at electricity needs on the current models and then they project out. Everybody goes, oh, my God, oh, my God, not realizing that the models are becoming much more efficient very radically quickly. As a real world example, the amount of fuel in a plane needed to cross the Atlantic has dropped by two thirds in the last few decades, just because the engines are so much more efficient. We know where routes to fly on, where's the air less resistant, et cetera, et cetera. So I think we're going to see the same thing happening in AI, where the models are becoming

• 19:06Speaker 02

  very much more efficient and that's going to change the game. Not enough to drive the upside, but definitely it'll help hugely on the overall energy needs over time.

• 19:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, I checked this post and researched it for accuracy. And two things to riff on, one is Jevon's paradox, which we all love to talk about. Actually, our good friend Eric Brynjolfsson is probably the top guy on the planet on that topic, and we should have him on as a guest to talk about this. But and then the other is this is way, way, way understated. So so starting with the way understated, this this is worth reading, but it was built kind of by extrapolating bottom up. But I know the actual innovations under the covers that are driving this, and they're much bigger than this, and they're much faster. You know, software innovation that's that's done by AI can be deployed in real time.

• 19:56Speaker 01

  You're not waiting for any hardware or any, you know, anything to to come online. You just deploy and go. And so this will happen much, much faster than what's shown on this chart now that the AI can improve itself. And the other thing is, you know, it's extrapolating to about 100x, anywhere from 30 to 240x. But I know that in the quantization of the neural nets alone, there's about a 20 to 40x in that dimension than in the chain of thought reasoning. Just in that, these are all multiplicative, by the way. So you have at least three dimensions that I know are 20 to 100x's that are multiplicative with each other. And so it's going to be more like 1,000 to 10,000x. There's a there's a brilliant researcher at MIT, Shane Longprey, that I was talking

• 20:41Speaker 01

  to yesterday. He desperately want to build a company around him, but he has to finish his PhD first, and it's frustrating as hell. He's just got a few more months to go. But but he's doing a lot of great work with, you know, right now, when you use an AI to do something for you, build a video or be an agent for you, the parameters in there also speak Swahili and know about quantum, you know, quantum computer, like all this other knowledge is actually being is using up the GPUs and is using up the compute, even though it's not relevant to that question. And so you can actually take much smaller subsets of that great brain to give you just as good an answer. And and that's on the order of 100x factor by itself. So he's wrapping up his research on that right now, and then we'll we'll end up trying to productize it.

• 21:26Speaker 01

  So no doubt in my mind that this is way understated, both in time and in impact. So, yeah, it's pretty exciting.

• 21:34Peter Diamandis?

  Bottom line, when Eric Schmidt says AI is massively underhyped, it's the realization that we have all of these knobs we can turn, and they're gonna give us improvements, each one of them 100x improvements times, you know, five or six different knobs.

• 21:50Speaker 01

  Let's talk about Jevon's paradox for just a second there, too. And I think this, you know, no one had ever said Jevon's paradox, I think, for 100 years until now it's gonna come up every week, so we might as well all understand it.

• 22:01Peter Diamandis?

  Define it for us.

• 22:02Speaker 01

  All right, so here's the deal. In normal economics, Eric Brynjolfsson is the master of this. In normal economics, you have supply-demand, you know, ISLM. I don't know if you ever took 1402 at MIT.

• 22:12Peter Diamandis?

  I did.

• 22:13Speaker 01

  You know, so if you said, hey, I found a way to grow bananas, you know, they're twice as cheap now, they cost half as much. You know, people don't consume twice as many bananas because they're half as expensive. They consume maybe 5% more bananas. So that's normal economics, right? Price comes down, then, you know, you just, you just, that fraction of the economy is smaller because the price is lower. Oil being the classic example of this. Then you get into tech, and something really weird happens, where if I make a GPU 10 times faster for the same price, my video game got better. Do I use 10 times less video game? No, no, I use actually more video game than ever before because it's more fun than it was before. So even though it got 10 times cheaper,

• 22:58Speaker 01

  my overall consumption of that, actually in dollars, goes up, not down. And that's completely paradoxical for an economist. And so you're seeing that most acutely in AI, more than ever before. If it is more capable because you made the model, in this case, you know, 30 to 240 times more efficient, doesn't that bring the need for GPUs and data centers down? And it's not, it's gonna go the other direction. The need for data centers, chips, and electricity actually goes up very, very steeply. And so a lot of people are mispredicting the investment in energy, in data center supply, in chips. You know, chips will be sold out for at least the next five years, and maybe infinitely in the future,

• 23:43Speaker 01

  for exactly this reason. Because the capability is like, one of those VO3, we'll look at some VO3 videos in a minute, and you'll see immediately, as soon as you do it, you want more. Every time the capability gets better, you want more.

• 23:57Peter Diamandis?

  You realize it's going to reinvent entire industries. I mean, not just give you a new tool. It's reinventing entire industries.

• 24:04Peter Diamandis?

  Everyone, as you know, earlier this year, I was on stage at the Abundance Summit with some incredible individuals. Kathy Wood, Mo Godot, Vinod Khosla, Brett Adcock, and many other amazing tech CEOs. I'm always asked, hey, Peter, where can I see the summit? Well, I'm finally releasing all the talks. You can access my conversation with Kathy Wood and Mo Godot for free at diamandus.com/summit. That's the talk with Kathy Wood and Mo Godot for free at diamandus.com/summit. Enjoy. I'll ask my team to put the links in the show notes below.

• 24:39Peter Diamandis?

  All right, let's dive into Google I/O. So what we've done here is we've grabbed a 10-minute video. It's a recap put out by Google, and it's a Google I/O recap in 10 minutes. We're going to play this at a little bit of accelerated speed. And I'm going to have my moonshot mates here sort of weigh in and comment as we go along. It's very rich here. It's important that people understand what Google just announced. Google remains the dominant player here, and there's a lot. Okay, so we'll go to Sundar, who opens it up, and we'll break every occasion for some fun conversation.

• 25:22Speaker 04

  Hello, everyone. Good morning. Welcome to Google I/O. We want to get our best models into your hands and our products ASAP. I'm particularly excited about the rapid model progress. And today, Gemini 2.5 Pro sweeps the Ela Marina leaderboard in all categories. It's getting a lot of love across the top coding platforms, thanks to all of you.

• 25:46Speaker 05

  Gemini 2.5 Pro is our most intelligent model ever.

• 25:51Speaker 05

  And now that incorporates Learn LM, our family of models built with educational experts, 2.5 Pro is also the leading model for learning.

• 25:59Peter Diamandis?

  Right. So, you know, one of the things we've talked about a lot is using this to re-educate the planet. And I think that we're going to see a massive disruption in education across every field. One of the challenges we're going to have is whether the educational field is going to accept this. I don't know how you guys feel about this, but, you know, teachers unions are going to have to get on the game here. And we're going to start to see, you know, do I put my kid in school because they're using old style? Or do I use AI to educate my kids? Thoughts?

• 26:38Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, you know, one high level thought on that is Dennis Hassabis is going to push this agenda. He's taking the high ground. It's really interesting to watch Google now decide, look, our Nobel Prize winning brilliant guy, we're going to put him on stage and make him a centerpiece. And he, you know, he rises to the occasion incredibly well. But he can't, he can't compete with Sam Altman in the use cases that are going to propagate, you know, at light speed, which is, you know, virtual friends, you know, creating your own internal copyright violating versions of movies, you know, all that stuff. He can't touch that because he's a Nobel Prize winner. He's going after saving hundreds of millions of lives with biotech innovations, you know, because he's the alpha fold guy,

• 27:23Speaker 01

  which everybody, so he has to take this incredible high moral high ground. So onstage, he's very focused on new models that work from fundamental physics principles up to teach the, to have fundamental scientific innovations and to teach the world everything they need to go like this incredibly high ground, important use cases that are going to take a long time to percolate out because of, like you said, teachers' unions and regulation and so forth. Well, Sam, on the other end of the world, is just going to run away with, with consumer, you know, whether it's spyware or not, we're doing it, we're moving hundreds and this is the quandary that Googles in, you know, Sundar doesn't want to be that guy. Demis doesn't want to be that guy. This next woman that'll talk doesn't want to be that

• 28:06Speaker 01

  person. It's just big company versus small company mentality everywhere.

• 28:11Peter Diamandis?

  All right, let me jump back in and then Saleem, I'll come back to you next.

• 28:15Speaker 06

  I got 2.5 Pro to code me a simple web app. Someone comes to you with a brilliant idea. I'm going to add in a prompt that asks 2.5 Pro to update my code based on the image. And here's what Gemini generates. Whoa, I was able to create this just based on a sketch. But what if it topped? That's where Gemini's native audio comes in.

• 28:40Speaker 07

  That's a pangolin and its scales are made of keratin, just like your fingernails.

• 28:45Speaker 05

  Today, we're making 2.5 Pro even better by introducing a new mode we're calling Deep Think. Deep Think uses our latest cutting edge research in thinking and reasoning, including parallel techniques.

• 28:59Speaker 04

  We are in a new phase of the AI platform shift where decades of research are becoming reality for people all over the world. Introducing Google Beam, a new AI-first video communications platform. Beam uses a new state-of-the-art video model to transform 2D video streams into a realistic 3D experience.

• 29:24Peter Diamandis?

  So let me pause at Google Beam here. Salim and Dave, we had a chance to see Google Beam at the Abundance Summit this year. And it's not, you know, my 12, my 13-year-old boys were with me and they said it was the coolest thing they saw at the, at the tech hub. Right? The ability to actually be there. Now Cisco tried this years ago and it was expensive, multimillion dollar hardware. I don't know if the price point has been announced yet on Google Beam, but it's going to be sort of an appliance that's in your home when you want to contact your mom.

• 29:54Speaker 02

  It'll be very cheap.

• 29:55Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 29:57Speaker 02

  It can be very cheap and I think this, this is a very big deal because you can think about the language potential that comes with it. All the other capabilities will come with it. I think it'll up the game for companies like Zoom and force them into a new innovation cycle also.

• 30:15Peter Diamandis?

  Fascinating.

• 30:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, we need to talk about price point for a second here too, because a lot of this stuff is just mind blowing and you need to experience it. And then Google says, well, to access anything I'm showing you here, you got to get a Google Ultra or Gemini Ultra account for 250 bucks a month.

• 30:30Peter Diamandis?

  Ballsy move on their part.

• 30:32Speaker 01

  Ballsy. Ballsy. And one of the things I love about this podcast is like, this is the actionable, like, we're trying to improve people's life choices and trajectories through life by giving them as much actionable information as possible. And a lot of people who listen to this podcast are going to say, I don't, 250 bucks a month, that's like rent.

• 30:52Speaker 01

  So the good news is you can, you can try it at half price for a couple of months and then cancel your subscription if you want. So you, but you definitely got to try it. I mean, you can't do it justice.

• 31:01Peter Diamandis?

  Google's trained us to get everything for free, right? And just give up our, our rights and such. I mean, OpenAI has proven a $20 price point is acceptable to most individuals. I'll give up a couple of lattes and have access to the world's intelligence. 250 bucks, that's.

• 31:19Speaker 02

  I think, I think it'll be, I think it'll become mandatory for anybody in the professional modality.

• 31:26Speaker 02

  Because tools will be so rich that, and there'll be enough there for them to do quite well out of it, I think.

• 31:32Speaker 01

  But well, six months ago, a lot of people were saying, look, foundation models are a race to the bottom. They're a commodity. You know, the price points will come down. These $300 billion valuation for OpenAI is insane, you know, given that it'll commoditize. Now it's got to be obvious to everyone that all of that was wrong. Just absolutely could not have been more wrong. The, the, because you're a foundation model company, the capabilities that you can invent and launch and the price point that they'll command is, is astronomical. And then right now, any of our listeners are basically going through what's inevitable. I can't be competitive if I don't have my hands on this. I need to try it. I'm going to drop behind society.

• 32:14Speaker 01

  If I don't get on top of this, well, sorry, that's going to cost you 250 bucks right away. And I noticed that, you know, it took my money instantly, but it took 24 hours for me to make my first, my first VO3 video. I was like, wow, this thing is over. I mean, I'm interpreting that as it's oversubscribed and overloaded. So it's obviously like a race.

• 32:33Peter Diamandis?

  One thing, one thing, Dave, which is the capabilities that existed before, you know, when I say before last month, you know, last quarter will be available for free. Right? We're going to still get a lot of fundamentals for free. But if you want the cutting edge, that price will be increasing over time.

• 32:54Peter Diamandis?

  Let's, let's jump back in here.

• 32:56Speaker 04

  We are introducing this real time speech translation directly in Google Meet.

• 33:00Speaker 08

  It's nice to finally talk to you. Es bueno hablarte finalmente. No puedo esperar alquilar tu casa.

• 33:07Peter Diamandis?

  So instant translation, we've been seeing this for a while now. I think it's going to be fascinating to incorporate across all the video platforms. I mean, right now YouTube is translating our podcast in every language out there. That's fantastic. Zoom is going to have to catch up to Google Meet. Any comments on translation, Salim?

• 33:29Speaker 02

  I mean, I travel a lot and this will be so great to hold up my phone and do real live transitional conversations in different countries. I'm super excited about this. There, there's such enablement that comes from this. We've been kind of tickling at it. It's been available in kind of a clunky form for a long time. I think this sounds like it gets to a level of seamlessness from a user interface perspective that could change the game.

• 33:55Speaker 01

  So Salim, this directly affects our side bet, which we need to finalize, by the way. Peter needs to adjudicate that this, this side bet that we agreed to a few weeks ago, where I, I see the forces of concentration of wealth

• 34:08Speaker 01

  into just a few hands are overwhelming. And then the forces of democratization are moving much more slowly. And so, and, and you, your side bet was no, this is going to benefit broad swaths of humanity, you know, on a, on a more, and we haven't, we haven't quantified that. So we, we have to settle that, but I'm willing to put any amount of money you want behind it. But here, it changes the definition.

• 34:30Speaker 02

  Before, so you can put down trillions and I'll put down a few bucks. We'll see how that goes.

• 34:35Peter Diamandis?

  All right. I want. A Bitcoin exchange. Interesting. You know, listen, as a parent and you're listening to this, you know, in the past, you would say, oh, it's really important for my kids to learn French or Greek or Turkish or Japanese, whatever your cultural roots are, or whatever you think, you know, you need to learn Mandarin because China is rising the world. And then you need to load coding, right? Coding was always like pushing your kids to learn to code. So now we have this digital world allowing us to do coding through natural language, vibe coding. And why would I ever learn a language if I can just be translated instantly? So there's an interesting, uh, uh, social reengineering going on here because of course,

• 35:20Peter Diamandis?

  when you learn to code, you learn how to think in a different way. And when you learn languages, you learn culture in a different way, which is going to be obviated through here. So I'm fascinated by this.

• 35:31Speaker 02

  There's, there's something that will, I think, will persist here. And the reason is that when you learn a new language, your brain rewires.

• 35:37Peter Diamandis?

  It does.

• 35:38Speaker 02

  In fundamentally different, it's the same way so many creative people play music, are into music, is because their brain rewires fundamentally around that different paradigm. And you triangulate now, you've got different brain neural circuits that you can bring to bear. Right? In India, um, the, when they have kind of countrywide maths competitions, it's always won by dang South Indian. Um, the, the, their ability to do mathematics is like 10x everybody in the north of India. And they've worked out that it has to do with the structure of the language. The rhythmic patterns on the structure keep, make their minds naturally available for that. So I think the idea of learning piano or learning coding or learning, uh, certain

• 36:20Speaker 02

  deep skills or languages will persist just because it will create so much more creativity in people. And more creativity will be the only thing that's available for humanity going forward.

• 36:31Peter Diamandis?

  Well, the reason I think this affects our side bit, Salim, is because there's latent talent all over the world and it's usually locked up behind language barriers. And, uh, now that the translation is real time, but it also keeps your voice intonation, so your natural voice, you can actually make a real friend.

• 36:49Speaker 01

  In a different country where you don't have a common language. And I think that's new in the world. We don't know where it's going to go exactly. But all of our successful startups are dominated by this theme of best friends. Grinding it out, working 24 by 7.

• 37:02Peter Diamandis?

  Oh my god, that's brilliant, Dave. I mean, our ability now to find, I mean, there's so much talent in Pakistan, in India, in parts of Southeast Asia that are locked up and don't have access to our capital markets. You know, you can imagine, we have, we have Link Studios as part of Link Exponential Ventures. They're on the campus of MIT or adjacent to it. And we're opening up Abundant Studios here in LA. You can imagine tapping into that, that deep bench. And having natural conversations like we have with, with our buddies down the street.

• 37:36Speaker 02

  So can we just say that I've won the bet right now?

• 37:41Peter Diamandis?

  We can, we can. I'm jumping, I'm jumping back into Google I/O. We got a lot to cover here.

• 37:47Speaker 04

  Our research prototype, Project Mariner. It's an agent that can interact with the web and get stuff done. We released it as an early research prototype in December. And we have made a lot of progress since. And we are starting to bring agentic capabilities to Chrome, Search, and the Gemini app. Let me show you what we are excited about. We call it Agent Mode. Say you want to find an apartment for you and two roommates in Austin. You've each got a budget of $1,200 a month. You want a washer dryer or at least a laundromat nearby. Using Agent Mode, the Gemini app goes to work behind the scenes. You might be familiar with our AI-powered smart reply features.

• 38:31Speaker 04

  Now imagine if those responses could sound like you. That's the idea behind personalized smart replies. With your permission, Gemini models can use relevant context across your Google Apps. In a way that is private, transparent, and fully under your control. Let's say my friend wrote to me looking for advice. He's taking a road trip to Utah and he remembers I did this trip before. Gemini can do almost all the work for me. Looking up my notes in Drive, scanning past emails for reservations. Gemini matches my typical greetings from past emails, captures my tone, style,

• 39:13Speaker 04

  and favorite word choices, and then it automatically generates a reply.

• 39:18Peter Diamandis?

  Wow, just wow. I mean, so it's like agent mode there and Google's ability to personalize in a very deep and meaningful fashion. I'm blown away. I mean, no, listen, the fact of the matter is their goal is to get everybody to switch over from iPhones to Android and from Outlook to all of Google's suite. And it's getting compelling. I mean, it's going to be to a point where I want that and I'm willing, you know, this cost of switching platforms is huge. And if Google's able to provide enough eye candy and enough cognitive candy to get me to switch, that's a big deal.

• 40:00Speaker 01

  The use case they demo is just so funny to me because, you know, Sundar's like, hey, suppose I want to go to Utah and I want to rent a bike. Like, come on, man. We already did this week here at Vestmark is we took that same A to A, agent to agent and MCP capability and we moved it inside our firewall and it now opens inbound emails and Outlook with trade requests. Then the AI will read the trade requests, automatically trade the account. You know, we're talking about trillions of dollars here. Generate the trade file automatically and then route it out. And so, you know, we're already using that exact capability in a much higher leverage use case, but completely built the artificial operator.

• 40:43Speaker 01

  You know, the financial services industry spends about a hundred billion dollars a year on back office operations related to these activities. And when we sample them, every single one of them is possible to do with AI now. If you're willing to connect it to sensitive information, financial accounts, and you find a way to put it behind your firewall. And so they just rolled that out here this week and it's such a huge unlock. But, you know, when you get on a stage like this, you got to talk about something like, hey, I'm renting a bike.

• 41:13Peter Diamandis?

  Okay.

• 41:15Speaker 02

  Well, why does Sundar sound like an AI? I mean.

• 41:20Speaker 01

  Well, his name is Pitch AI. It is Pitch AI. So that's why they chose him, I think, to be CEO.

• 41:25Peter Diamandis?

  Oh, no, terrible. Uh, but you know, Sundar is in the, he's in the maelstrom, right? And he's got Sergey and Larry looking over his shoulders and he's got, you know, the innovator's dilemma. Again, their entire revenue base has been Google search. Uh, not entire revenue base, two thirds of their revenues. They've got YouTube, which is incredible. They've got, uh, Waymo. They've got a whole slew of other. But, you know, switching things over, and we'll see this in a minute, uh, switching this over away from search. Uh, they have to do this in order to continue to survive and grow. Um, any comment on the, on the agent, uh, agent element, Salim, or the personalization?

• 42:08Peter Diamandis?

  Does it feel, does it feel weird? Does it feel weird to have the AI searching all your emails? And, uh, and responding on your behalf? I mean, I, I find that incredible.

• 42:20Speaker 02

  The responding on our behalf is a little creepy and a little unnerving, right? Cause you don't know what it's going to say, et cetera, et cetera. I think it's just one of these things. We'll just get used to it. And it'll become routine fairly quickly. The initial, uh, emotional reaction will be there for people. I think the potential is much, much bigger here on the business side than on the personal side. The B two B implications of this type of stuff are off the hook for customer service responses and all sorts of things. So I think we'll see a lot more. Agentic AI stuff into enterprise level than at the personal.

• 42:55Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 42:55Speaker 01

  All right, let me continue. Uh, so much to talk about.

• 42:58Peter Diamandis?

  Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, Dave. Go ahead, go ahead. This is rich. We could spend days on this stuff, but I want to, if you say, I want to hear it.

• 43:07Speaker 01

  On the consumer side, you know, everybody worries about privacy, but then they roll out functionality that you just absolutely have to have and you have no choice. So you always check the box. How many times a day do you push the accept button? You don't even know what you just accepted.

• 43:18Peter Diamandis?

  I mean, privacy is long since dead. I mean, come on. I mean, people cannot, people want privacy, but your Alexa is listening, your Siri is listening, everything is listening all the times. Privacy is a great thing to desire and I don't accept that it's true.

• 43:34Speaker 01

  Well, this is why the truly brilliant Demis Hassabis types and Mark Pincus, our friend, they need to get involved in regulatory, which, you know, probably the last thing they thought when they were born, when they were, you know, a kid growing up is that they'd get involved in regulation. But at the rate these capabilities are coming out, if, if people like that don't get involved in regulation, and I mentioned those guys in particular because they're genuinely concerned and they really want a functional, non dystopian future. And we have to use AI as a tool in creating the regulation on AI. There's no other way it's going to keep up. So it's, it's heartwarming that people like Dennis are at the top of the stack because they're just incredibly humanist, good natured people. So that's, that's encouraging.

• 44:18Speaker 02

  On the government side, this is a Rubicon request a long time ago. Like in the US, there is no right to privacy anymore. It's been totally dissolved, right? By technology. The best framing I've seen for this is consider you're living in a global airport, right? Like in an airport, you know you're being surveilled and your rights can be taken away at any time. And essentially, that's essentially transmitting now down to every aspect of life in, in every country.

• 44:46Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, it's so convenient to give your AI access to your conversations and your emails. It's going to make the world automagical for you that, that turning that off will be like turning off half of your, half of your cognitive capacity.

• 45:04Speaker 02

  Again, I think, remember Peter, like 10 years ago at Singularity, we played that video of Mark Zuckerberg, it was an Onion clip of Mark Zuckerberg, and they said, wow, that was the best CIA agent ever. He got the whole world to just tell us where they were. We don't even need spies anymore because everybody just tells us where they are. So Mark Zuckerberg, here's an award for, for greatest CIA agent in history. I think this is where we've been going down this road for a long time and there's no, I don't think there's any going back from it.

• 45:35Speaker 01

  Well, I had meetings with two of the biggest insurance companies, top Fortune 50s, earlier this week. And I said, "Look, you guys, how are you going to act on this? You need to act on it like tomorrow." And one of them wants to use AI to do their quarterly closing. So you can't talk about, like, it's a public company, so there's nothing more sensitive in the world than your quarterly closing data. And they said, "Well, we have two choices. Microsoft says, 'Just give it all to us, trust us. We've already got all your emails in Outlook, so just throw it over to us and trust us.'" And they're like, "Yeah, that sounds kind of scary, but maybe." The other choice is to take Llama 4, distill it and bring it in-house inside their firewall. And that's jart up heaven right there. And very, very viable as a solution.

• 46:20Speaker 01

  They just need a vendor to come in and wire it up for them. So I think a lot of the companies and countries that care about their future are going to take that latter path. But the alternative is to concede every aspect of your life, your data and everything to either OpenAI, Microsoft or Google or XAI. It's just not viable for sovereign states, for a lot of fintechs, to take that path. So it's an interesting, very, very dynamic time. I am jumping back into the Google I/O video here. All right, let's do it.

• 46:56Speaker 05

  Gemini Flash is our most efficient workhorse model. The new Flash is better in nearly every dimension, improving across key benchmarks for reasoning, code and long context. Flash will be generally available in early June with Pro soon after.

• 47:13Speaker 06

  Gemini Diffusion is a state-of-the-art experimental text diffusion model that leverages this parallel generation to achieve extremely low latency. The version of Gemini Diffusion we're releasing today generates five times faster than our fastest model so far.

• 47:30Speaker 05

  This is our ultimate vision for the Gemini app, to transform it into a universal AI assistant. In Project Astra, we've upgraded voice output to be more natural with native audio. We've improved memory and added computer control.

• 47:44Peter Diamandis?

  A quick aside, you've probably heard me speaking about Fountain Life before, and you're probably wishing, "Peter, would you please stop talking about Fountain Life?" And the answer is no, I won't, because genuinely, we're living through a healthcare crisis. You may not know this, but 70% of heart attacks have no precedent, no pain, no shortness of breath. And half of those people with a heart attack never wake up. You don't feel cancer until stage three or stage four, until it's too late. But we have all the technology required to detect and prevent these diseases early at scale. That's why a group of us, including Tony Robbins, Bill Cap, and Bob Hurrey, founded Fountain Life, a one-stop center to help people understand what's going on inside their bodies before it's too late and to gain access to the therapeutics

• 48:27Peter Diamandis?

  to give them decades of extra health span. Learn more about what's going on inside your body from Fountain Life. Go to fountainlife.com/peter and tell them Peter sent you. Okay, back to the episode.

• 48:39Peter Diamandis?

  We are going to show a video example of Project Astra. I mean, listen, Jarvis is here. My ability to talk to Astra and ask it to do things for me, research things for me, show me where something is in the room. I mean, it's insane. We'll come back to this because the example video is so compelling. But I just, you know, I've been tracking the Jarvis, if you would, and it's finally, it's finally here. And thank you to Google for providing it.

• 49:10Speaker 04

  To more people than any other product in the world. In our biggest markets like the US and India, AI overviews are driving over 10% growth in the types of queries that show them. What's particularly exciting is that this growth increases over time. We are introducing an all-new AI mode. It's a total reimagining of search. With more advanced reasoning, you can ask AI mode longer and more complex queries.

• 49:40Speaker 09

  We're excited to start rolling out AI mode for everyone in the US, starting today. Over time, we'll graduate many of AI mode's cutting-edge features and capabilities directly into the core search experience. That starts today as we bring the same models that power AI mode to power AI overviews. So you can bring your hardest questions right to the search box.

• 50:03Peter Diamandis?

  Okay, big move on Google's part. Huge move. Bet the company move.

• 50:11Speaker 01

  It would be great to overlay the stock price with this exact timeline because this is exactly when the stock started plummeting. And you know, it can clearly cannibalizes the core business incredibly impressive that they're willing to do that. And then right after that, they rolled out.

• 50:27Peter Diamandis?

  They have to.

• 50:28Speaker 01

  But but you know, they got it all back and more the next day when they rolled out all the incredible AI capabilities. So it's actually paid off, you know, at the by the end of the week, it was it worked as a strategy. But you know, everybody knows OpenAI is running away with the actual AI user base. And and Google is miles miles behind, but now they're going to claim that well, anyone doing a Google search that turns on this mode is an AI user. So we're actually ahead of OpenAI. So that's pretty smart and aggressive too.

• 50:55Peter Diamandis?

  It's interesting. I have my family members and friends say, oh, yeah, I asked chat. Right. They have a personal relationship with ChatGPT. They've given it a name. AI mode, it needs to start to get the you need to personalize these AIs if they become part of your everyday life. And so I guess I had a conversation with Gemini is where it's going to go. Salim, what are you thinking about this?

• 51:21Speaker 02

  You know, I think kudos to them for doing this. It would be really easy to conquer behind the old old search box and just leave it the way it was while they experiment. But to make something this aggressive where it's built right into the core product that they have is incredibly courageous. I agree they don't have much of a choice, but many other companies would not have done this. So let's see where this goes.

• 51:46Speaker 01

  I think if you step back from this too, I mean, the reason America works fundamentally is because startups innovate and push the agenda, but this this capability would have been buried inside Google for years, maybe forever, without the competitive pressure. So it's a great little case study in like what we need to preserve in the American economy is exactly this dynamic where the big guys only move if we keep funding the small guys. And if the if the IPO economy and the venture economy ever fell apart, this whole country would just grind to a halt. And so this is a great case study in it.

• 52:22Peter Diamandis?

  I love it. Well, well said. All right, let's jump back in.

• 52:25Speaker 02

  Let me make a point related to that. If Google was a European company, this would never would have happened.

• 52:30Peter Diamandis?

  Yep.

• 52:33Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, all right, let me find where we were.

• 52:36Speaker 10

  It's like having my very own sports analyst right in search. Search figured out that the best way to present this information is a graph, and it created it. Complex analysis and data visualization is coming this summer for sports and financial questions. Using your camera, Search can see what you see and give you helpful information as you go back and forth in real time. We're bringing Project Mariner's agentic capabilities into AI mode. Search can take work off my plate while still under my control. Search helps me skip a bunch of steps, linking me right to finish checking out. Tickets secured.

• 53:17Speaker 11

  With AI mode, we are bringing a new level of intelligence to help you shop with Google. Search dynamically generates a browsable mosaic of images and some shoppable products, personalized just for me. To create a try-on experience that works at scale, we need a deep understanding of the human body and how clothing looks on it. To do this, we built a custom image generation model specifically trained for fashion.

• 53:47Peter Diamandis?

  All right, here we go, Apple, I mean, Google's getting into Amazon's business. You know, instant shopping, it's gonna be an interesting overlay there. Dave? This feels like they're just throwing everything against the wall. I mean, just throw it all out there.

• 54:03Speaker 01

  I'll tell you the dirty little secret behind this, though. You know, Google's search volume went flat back in 2017. They stopped reporting it years ago because it's flat. But the revenue just keeps going up and up and up and up. And they say, well, look, we don't show any more ads than we ever showed before. But what they actually do is they took all the ads off the low-value searches, so baseball scores being a great example, and they amped up the ads like crazy on the topics that drive all the revenue. So that's auto insurance, mortgage, jobs, travel, just one or two other categories drive all the revenue. So now, as they roll this out, you know, notice the examples they give are baseball scores. There's no revenue there anyway, so move that over to AI. And then the other one is shopping where they got crushed by Amazon.

• 54:47Speaker 01

  Something like 60% or 70% of all shoppable product search. You go straight to Amazon, you don't even start on Google. And so they they're not winning that war anyway. So they're basically going to claim AI supremacy and try and move only the categories that are low click-through rate revenue over. And they're very good at optimizing that balance internally. So this is their way of trying not to cannibalize too much while claiming more users than OpenAI has. And you know, there's nothing.

• 55:16Peter Diamandis?

  I think they're going to go after Amazon here on on purchases, right? I mean, it's like, if I'm in, if I'm in the AI mode with Gemini and I'm talking about things and it pops up and says, by the way, you can purchase it here. Seamless shopping in the middle of conversations or in the middle of doing research, having to then having to shift over to Amazon. It's gonna, it's gonna be a invasion in Amazon's revenue engine.

• 55:46Speaker 01

  It's a great point. And actually, in this, all of this PR war that's going, like Claude coming out right on top of this event and, you know, everyone's jumping on each other. But Amazon is notably silent, even though they do have a ton going on inside AWS. And I know they're working on it. They have a plan for sure. They just don't seem to be fighting the PR war.

• 56:04Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, and then Apple's sort of just given up altogether.

• 56:07Speaker 01

  That that is so scary and so weird.

• 56:10Peter Diamandis?

  It is so weird. All right, let's jump back in here.

• 56:13Speaker 09

  This is the future of Google Search, a search that goes beyond information to intelligence.

• 56:20Speaker 12

  Our goal is to make Gemini the most personal, proactive, and powerful AI assistant. Gemini Live now includes camera and screen sharing. All of it is rolling out free of charge in the Gemini app on Android and iOS today. We're bringing our latest and most capable image generation model into the Gemini app. It's called Imagine 4. The images are richer with more nuanced colors and fine-grained details. Today, I'm excited to announce our new state-of-the-art model, VO3. VO3 comes with native audio generation. That means that VO3 can generate sound effects, background sounds, and dialogue.

• 57:08Speaker 13

  They left behind a ball today. It bounced higher than I can jump.

• 57:14Speaker 14

  What manner of magic is that? This ocean, it's a force, a wild, untamed might.

• 57:20Peter Diamandis?

  All right, VO3 grand slam homerun. Oh my God, extraordinary. Dave, you started playing with it when you got your $250 account. How easy was it?

• 57:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Oh my God, it's well, it's trivial. You got to get the account and just play with it. It's instantly mind blowing. The integration of the audio, I think, really puts it over the top. But it's immediately obvious to you that the future of media is going to completely flip where it's on demand. Like, this is what I want to see created on the fly for me. And as soon as, you know, every time you do a VO3, it's clipped at eight seconds. And you immediately want a full feature length movie. And you're like, well, why can I only get eight seconds? And the answer is there aren't enough GPUs on the planet. There's enough compute on the planet to meet the demand of everybody who wants this instantaneously. And that gives you a sense of where, you know, how many data centers and Chase, Lock, Miller, Caruso's are going to succeed.

• 58:17Speaker 01

  Because just that use case alone will use up everything, let alone customer service and code writing and white, like all of these things combined. But it's amazing that Josh Woodward got this unit. Like, this is the, this is the keystone. Like, this is it.

• 58:30Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 58:31Speaker 01

  Peter, your buddy Josh got it.

• 58:33Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, Josh was on stage with us at the Abundance Summit this year. He's a great, great presenter, but it was, it was awesome. Saleem, what are your thoughts on VO3?

• 58:45Speaker 02

  I think it'll be interesting as people start. I'm curious as to how people are going to use it at a personal level. There's obvious business uses, et cetera. But will I really use it to generate my own entertainment? I'm not sure I would.

• 59:00Speaker 02

  You know, we, we watch movies particularly because people have curated an experience for us, right? So I think this will be great for the professional filmmakers and it'll be great for making pilots. All sorts of stuff will come through with this. I don't think it will affect the end consumer that much.

• 59:18Peter Diamandis?

  I don't know about that. I mean, listen, Gemini. Gemini three, Gemini four, one of these will have looked at every movie I love. It'll understand the context, the nuance of what I really enjoy. I mean, if it's got a camera facing at me, it'll understand when I'm smiling, when I'm frowning, when I'm making reactions to it. And it can generate a, you know, imagine you want the next season of a particular TV show, right? I'd love to see the next season of the original Star Trek. You'll have that.

• 59:50Speaker 01

  That's a great, great example, Peter, because, yeah, every Netflix series, you know, From Earth to the Moon or whatever, you always want more when you get to the end. And they just physically can't create more. Well, now they can. And whether it's passive or active, you know, real time and created for you, or it's just the producers can now create the episodes that much more quickly and cheaply. You're never gonna let, like Harry Potter, you're never gonna let the audience just drop, like, oh, this is the last book, this is the last movie disappear. That's just crazy inefficient to just let the audience fall off a cliff. So now that'll probably never happen again. Whether it's just because production costs are much, much lower, or because people can create their own, either way, that trend will happen.

• 1:00:35Speaker 01

  But I'd love to side bet with you on this one too, Salim. I think that, you know, the movie producers have always dwelled on this concept that people are fundamentally lazy. But I don't think that's true. I think that the medium, the passive medium, if you go into a dark theater on a sunny day in LA, and you come out of that dark theater and the sun's blaring, you feel like crap. You know, you love the movie, but you feel like, like, where am I? The ability now to keep the dialogue going, you can move around and keep it going, and you can guide it in the direction you want, that's gonna be so compelling for people. I don't think the producers have mastered the new medium yet. But when they do, I think.

• 1:01:12Peter Diamandis?

  I just wanna, I just, I just Googled this, and it says, what's the average shot time for a movie today? So a modern movie, the average shot length is between 2.5 to 6 seconds. In an action film, it's 2 to 3 seconds per shot. And a drama art film, it's 8 to 10 seconds per shot. So, you know, if there are any physical limitations here, you're gonna just cobble these together. But I'm, Hollywood is decimated. I mean, I'm sorry, you know, I drive by all the studios out in Hollywood when I'm, when I'm in LA, and how do they continue to?

• 1:01:50Peter Diamandis?

  I think continue to exist in two or three years from now.

• 1:01:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're dead right on that too, because, you know, look at Bollywood and how successful that's been. And, you know, why? Well, it's because, look, the movies are culturally aligned and it just aligns with the audience. But, well, why did all the movies pop up in L.A. in the first place? Well, it's because we need to shoot the scenes outside in good weather. It's way too expensive to move all the equipment inside every time it rains in New York. So we got it set up out here where we have good weather. But now, you know, this kind of content, it's weather independent, and it's global, and it's language independent. So it's just talent constrained. So yeah, you're right. It should be democratized and moved across the world very quickly now.

• 1:02:32Peter Diamandis?

  All right, let's jump into the Google I/O. We've got, we're three quarters in, one quarter left to go.

• 1:02:39Speaker 12

  A new synth ID detector can identify if an image, audio track, text, or video has synth ID in it. Based on our collaboration with the creative community, we've been building a new AI filmmaking tool for creatives. We're calling it Flow, and it's launching today. Let me show you how it works. These are my ingredients: the old man and his car. We make it easy to upload your own images into the tool. It lets you extend a clip, too, so I can get the perfect ending that I've been working towards.

• 1:03:15Speaker 15

  But what about emerging form factors that could let you experience an AI assistant in new ways? That's exactly why we're building Android XR.

• 1:03:27Speaker 16

  Right now, you should be seeing exactly what I'm seeing through the lens of my Android XR glasses. Like my delicious coffee over here, and that text from Sharm that just came in. Let's see what he said.

• 1:03:40Speaker 16

  All right, it's definitely showtime, so I'm gonna launch Gemini and get us going. Gemini, what was the name of the coffee shop on the cup I had earlier?

• 1:03:50Speaker 17

  Hmm, that might have been Bloom's Giving.

• 1:03:51Speaker 16

  Okay, Gemini, show me what it would take to walk here.

• 1:03:55Speaker 17

  It'll take you about an hour.

• 1:03:57Speaker 16

  Okay. I can get some steps in and these heads of directions and a full 3D map should make it super easy.

• 1:04:05Speaker 15

  I'm excited to announce today that Gentle Monster and Warby Parker will be the first eyewear partners to build glasses with Android XR.

• 1:04:15Peter Diamandis?

  All right. So, I mean.

• 1:04:18Speaker 01

  I would give anything to be at the next Apple board meeting because you've got, you've got Sam Altman saying, I'm getting Johnny, I'm gonna do devices and I've got Google saying iMovie, get out of the way, we've got much better AI driven and, and you know, what's like, oh my God, they, they, I mean, and this is where, you know, Apple should pay the price, they haven't done anything to even try.

• 1:04:42Peter Diamandis?

  Crazy. Celine, I mean XR glasses, I mean, we're, it's about time that we've got some, some good AR up and running and, but it's going to change our behavior, right? So every day as I'm walking down the street, do I have education mode on, do I have gameplay mode on, do I have entertainment mode on? I mean, it's going to become the major educational partner if we let it, you know, Warby Parker coming in, maybe they'll look good, maybe they'll look fashionable, maybe you won't look a geek if you're wearing them.

• 1:05:15Speaker 02

  I, I don't think anything can help you is not look like a geek when you're wearing those glasses, but I was playing with the Meta, the Meta glasses, Peter, that you handed a A360 last year.

• 1:05:25Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:26Speaker 02

  They were amazing. They look like good sunglasses, they act like good sunglasses and they've got all those of this AI capability built into them and it was really quite fascinating to see, that was just like version one, the next level versions are going to be a hundred times more capable with AR built into the middle of it. I think this is going to be quite a game changer around this, I think it'll be really amazing to see the use cases and the potential utility is off the hook.

• 1:05:52Peter Diamandis?

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• 1:06:32Peter Diamandis?

  All right, let's hit a few. I'm gonna exit out of the Google I/O summary there. A lot of amazing stuff and kudos to Sundar and Sergey Brin, the whole team there for the work that they've done. They really came out on top this week. And if you look at Polymarket, you know, who's going to be leading AI by the end of May? The Polymarket results show Google at 80%, Anthropic at 19%, XAI at 1%. Okay, seems rational and reasonable. And then let's take a look at what Polymarket predicts by the end of the year 2025. Google is still on top at 38%. OpenAI is back at 26%

• 1:07:12Peter Diamandis?

  and XAI is at 23%. That makes sense, I think, for me. OpenAI is going to, this is a battle between the two of them. And then, of course, you've got Elon coming out of right field and you know, never bet against Elon is my mantra here. Any comments on this, Dave?

• 1:07:33Speaker 01

  This is the most entertaining thing in the world to watch, but you said Google's, you know, back on top. But look, they were number third, number three in March on this chart. So everyone had written them off. So and you can actually put money on this if you want to make a living out of betting on who's leapfrogging who. But it's a, at this stage, you know, despite this chart, it's just a four horse all out race, everyone going as fast as humanly possible. So, you know, I don't, I don't think the short term trend which vaulted Google to the top, you know, is that it's gonna, it's gonna actually flip many more times over the next year among these four, four players.

• 1:08:10Peter Diamandis?

  But it's, there's this level of intense energy we haven't ever seen before. And it's what's accelerating our AI future.

• 1:08:19Speaker 01

  It's also, it's the most important race in the history of human innovation. The implications are so much bigger than, you know, the past races we've seen. So the amount of money, the amount of energy, the short timeline, it's, if you want to track one thing and enjoy it in your lifetime, this is it.

• 1:08:40Peter Diamandis?

  I'm going to just hit on a couple of more VO slides. We saw this side here, but you made this one, Dave. Tell us about it.

• 1:08:51Speaker 01

  That was my very first ever VO3, so I just wanted to memorialize it.

• 1:08:55Peter Diamandis?

  Okay.

• 1:08:56Speaker 01

  And capture it.

• 1:09:05Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, I don't know. What was your, what was your prompt?

• 1:09:09Speaker 01

  It's right there. Make me a video of data centers getting overrun by dinosaurs. I couldn't believe how good it was, you know, no re prompting, no tuning is just, this is what it comes back with. But I had Chase Lockmiller and Crusoe and Project Stargate in the back of my mind because, you know, Chase has become a celebrity overnight. More power to him. He's our fellow MIT alum and Crusoe, you know, that's the, he's the, the company building Stargate in Abilene, Texas. So I was watching the video of this, this insanely large amount of construction, the electricity, the pipes, the power generation. And now the chips are going to start coming in and that's worth following just as a storyline by itself. Chase is a great, great guy. He'll, he'll be another kind of Mark Zuckerberg character for a long time to come.

• 1:09:53Peter Diamandis?

  We should bring him on the pod here.

• 1:09:54Speaker 01

  I wanted dinosaurs to be overrunning it before it's even done, but it was just what was on my mind.

• 1:09:59Peter Diamandis?

  All right. There's one more VO3 I need to show, and I find it fascinating. All of us, you know, evening TV, you see these pharmaceutical ads that are ridiculous. And they spend a lot of money on these ads. Well, this is an example of a pharmaceutical ad made for 500 bucks instead of $500,000. And just take a quick listen to this one.

• 1:10:21Speaker 18

  I tried everything for my depression. Nothing worked.

• 1:10:25Speaker 19

  Every day felt heavy. I felt trapped.

• 1:10:28Speaker 18

  Then I tried Pupperman.

• 1:10:30Speaker 19

  Our prescription helps your body secrete a special pheromone that attracts puppies.

• 1:10:36Peter Diamandis?

  So that movie, the commercial goes on and it's hilarious. It's like, but I mean, it's like that for me would be the equivalent of an ad campaign for some, something that makes your, you know.

• 1:10:54Peter Diamandis?

  Never mind, I'm not gonna go there.

• 1:10:56Speaker 02

  That looked jaw-droppingly real.

• 1:10:59Peter Diamandis?

  It did, it did. So this is my favorite, this is my favorite Google I/O piece. And this is, for me, the materialization of Jarvis. I wanna play this, look at this, and then let's talk about holy shit moments and how this is gonna change our lives.

• 1:11:15Speaker 20

  Can you go on YouTube and find a video for how to fix that?

• 1:11:18Speaker 17

  Of course. I'm opening YouTube now.

• 1:11:23Speaker 17

  This looks like a good video.

• 1:11:25Speaker 01

  Place a rubber band over the head of the screw.

• 1:11:27Speaker 20

  Oh, nice, nice. Can you go through my emails with the bike shop and find which size hex nut I need?

• 1:11:33Speaker 17

  Sure. According to the email from Bicycle Habitat, you need a 3/8 inch hex nut for your sprocket. I've highlighted the correct bin for you.

• 1:11:41Speaker 20

  It seems like I need a spare tension screw. Can you call the nearest bike shop and see what they have in stock?

• 1:11:47Speaker 17

  Yep, calling them now. I'll get back to you with what they have in stock.

• 1:11:51Speaker 20

  I think my brake pads are wearing down. Can you check the manual again and see if it talks about them anywhere?

• 1:11:56Speaker 17

  According to the manual, if you look on page 24...

• 1:12:00Speaker 20

  Do you wanna get lunch? Yeah, give me five minutes. Can you finish what you were saying?

• 1:12:06Speaker 17

  As I was saying, if you look on page 24, section 2, you'll see how to replace the brake pads.

• 1:12:12Speaker 20

  Hey, any updates on that call?

• 1:12:15Speaker 17

  Yep, I just got off of the bike shop. They confirmed they have your tension screw in stock. Would you like me to place a pickup order?

• 1:12:22Speaker 20

  Could you show me some examples of dog baskets I can put on my bike?

• 1:12:25Speaker 17

  Sure, I can help you with that. Just give me a moment. Here are some options. I think Zuka would look really great in these.

• 1:12:36Peter Diamandis?

  Jarvis, baby, is here. I'm better, you know, I wanna free myself from holding the phone. I wanna have my eyewear and my audio pickups and have it see what I'm seeing, but holy moly.

• 1:12:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, this is a good place for me to make a shout out to all our sovereign leader friends in the Middle East and elsewhere. What you just saw is not actually going to happen in your country. And the reason is because the compute, you don't have access to the compute. You can do this for the next few months, but then all the other use cases that are bubbling up are going to overbid you for that data center space. And then your population is not going to be able to do what they just saw unless you have some kind of a national compute plan. And, you know, like we said last time, about 180 out of 200 countries have no plan whatsoever. And you have to get on that right now if you want what you just saw to actually exist in your population. And they're going to be screaming for it.

• 1:13:35Peter Diamandis?

  Wow, it is. It's magical powers. It's superpowers. That's so true. We are so compute limited. It is the currency of the future. It's oxygen for us.

• 1:13:46Speaker 01

  And it's a basic human right. It's going to be more important than other basic human rights within a year or two. And populations don't recognize that today, but once they experience that and then they're deprived of it, then they'll all be all over their leaders.

• 1:13:59Peter Diamandis?

  Wow, how quickly a miracle becomes something we expect and feel like we deserve. Salim, what did you think of that?

• 1:14:10Speaker 02

  The videos, the videos amazing. Once you can get all the billions of little YouTube clips activated and useful in this kind of seamless way. Holy moly, that's pretty incredible. I want to touch back on what Dave said, though. You know, it's incredible what's happening in this realm. And then you look at country policy for most countries and they're like unbelievably backward. I was talking to the head of state of one of the country that's emerging that's about to become a very big, very wealthy country. And their first idea was let's build a call center.

• 1:14:50Speaker 02

  You're like, no, there's four generations. Let's at least get into the 19th century. Forget the 20th century. Forget the 21st century. And this is where I think smart people at government level are going to need to be there to really change the game. Because almost every country in the world does policy defensively and reactively. Right? Only two places do it positively and forward looking, which is Dubai and Singapore. And honestly, they don't do it that well. And so imagine you had a really forward looking policy in any country could really change the game. So I think this one or two or three are going to start doing it. And then we're going to see this general transformation in government.

• 1:15:32Speaker 02

  But boy, this is going to change the, I think this will be the forcing function that drives that transformation. So that's very exciting.

• 1:15:39Peter Diamandis?

  I want to add, you know, listen, when I think of this as Jarvis, the counter revealings partner to Jarvis is Tony Stark, right? Tony Stark is this radical billionaire who has accessed this incredible AI capability. But guess what? This capability is now available to everybody. We're demonetizing and democratizing our vision of this future. And that's extraordinary. And, and you know, that's going to weigh in on you winning the bet here, Salim.

• 1:16:06Speaker 02

  I was just, I was just about to say.

• 1:16:09Speaker 01

  Oh, I have. All right. We'll get into that another time. Well, we have to finalize.

• 1:16:13Speaker 02

  Beginning of this episode, I think we're, I think, I think we're done.

• 1:16:16Speaker 01

  I don't want to give away too much of, uh, all right. Well, let's finalize the bet first, and then I'll tell you why I'm gonna win.

• 1:16:22Peter Diamandis?

  All right.

• 1:16:22Speaker 01

  But I do, actually, Peter, I want to, I want to tell you, like, we're in a, we're in a, you know, between Salim in New York, me at MIT and you in LA. We were booting up a new company right now that takes advantage of, you know, you saw that synthetic ad is just as good as a real ad now. But we ran some tests over at EverQuote using celebrity ads and they work incredibly well. And one of the problems you run into there with like LeBron James is that his peak click through rate or his peak impression value is right during the playoffs when he can't go to a studio and shoot a video. And so we tested two things, you know, if you make a synthetic LeBron James at peak season, what's the click through rate? And it's incredible. And then also, if you make thousands of variants of the ad where LeBron is doing different

• 1:17:04Speaker 01

  things, maybe different languages, just different messages, that also incredibly drives up the value of the ad. So what we're working on right now is a company that makes, uh, basically the celebrity just needs to check a box and collect money.

• 1:17:16Peter Diamandis?

  And they don't have to show up and shoot anything. Everything else is done by AI. Super. And that'll also get a lot of your LA superstar, you know, movie star friends who you see all the time. They never show up at MIT. Only Will I Am and They don't show up for anything half the time. It's, it's, I always show up there on the movie openings. Um, yeah. Well, so if you, you'd be amazed if you get like Will I Am or, or, you know, anyone to show up on MIT's campus. The students come out by the hundreds. They're just way overreact to a celebrity. So I'm really excited about this, this project dragging just a handful over to the campus. I, I love it. Um, here's a quick, uh, fun tweet from Dario saying 2026 will see the first $1 billion company

• 1:18:01Peter Diamandis?

  with one human employee. We've been predicting this for a while. I get it and I agree. Um, I don't know if you guys

• 1:18:07Speaker 02

  Two years ago, you and I were launching the EXO 2.0 book and we said it would take three employees. Uh, and AI did deliver. So that's not shrink to one. It'll soon shrink to zero, by the way.

• 1:18:19Peter Diamandis?

  Hmm. Yeah, with agents, with agents in crypto. Yeah.

• 1:18:24Speaker 01

  Well, who gets the money? That's interesting.

• 1:18:26Peter Diamandis?

  The agent.

• 1:18:27Speaker 02

  The agent. This is the whole Dow kind of paradigm coming to life.

• 1:18:33Peter Diamandis?

  The, the, yeah, distributed autonomous organization. For me, probably the most exciting things that's coming is how these models are going to help us drive breakthroughs in math, physics, chemistry. Uh, so this is from, I believe Anthropic. This is the prediction on when disciplines will be solved. So pure mathematics being solved by 2028. This means all of the unsolved math challenges out there are getting solved by AI. Let's move down computational chemistry by March of 29. Uh, medicinal chemistry leading to candidate molecules by October 2029.

• 1:19:12Peter Diamandis?

  Material science is being solved by 2030. This means you're able to say, I need a material that has these thermal properties. Uh, you know, these, uh, you know, your, uh, cost properties. That's insane. Cell biology, core pathways by May, uh, 2030. And climate earth modeling systems by 2033. This is the nonlinear inflection that just

• 1:19:38Peter Diamandis?

  Just explodes all of our expectations about the future.

• 1:19:41Speaker 02

  Look, look at that little note where it says most diseaseable, curable by in two and a half years. Right? That vertical line. That's crazy.

• 1:19:51Peter Diamandis?

  Well, this is, this is what we saw Demis Hassabis state. They were going to have all diseases cured within the next decade.

• 1:19:59Speaker 02

  I'd like to see in say pure mathematics or computational, I'd like to see which breakthroughs they expect to achieve. Cause like to see the discipline is solved, quote unquote, but I'd like to see what, what specific milestones they're expecting to hit there. So anyway, we can worry about that some other time, but this is amazing overall.

• 1:20:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is where we desperately need Richard Socher as a guest because he's mapped out the timelines. It'd be great to get his opinion on whether these timelines are accurate or not. Cause, because they're mostly gated by simulation modeling and synthetic data. And that varies by different discipline, but we've known that quantum computing is really, really important for, for material science. And for chemical reaction simulation, which is the full cell simulator. So the timeline and the, and the technology is probably somewhat predictable now.

• 1:20:50Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, this is why I love getting, getting on this podcast with, with both of you guys to really, you know, consider what's just happened this past week and you really do help me contextualize it. And if everybody listening here, I hope you're enjoying this because Dave and Salim and I are pouring our hearts into this. We're making this our priority every week to really deliver to you what we've seen, what it means. So please join us in, in moonshot as we move this forward. And as we do every week, let's talk a little bit about crypto and Bitcoin. This was a big one. Bitcoin surpasses Amazon and Google's market cap. It's been a big week for, for Bitcoin as well. Salim, are you happy?

• 1:21:31Speaker 02

  I'm getting happier by the day as as the thing goes. It's for me, for me, this is the definition of democratization because every single individual in the world can own Bitcoin. And it's very, very hard to own, say, gold, right? And and so this is, I think, a huge trend in the right direction. And we could have a whole dedicated episode just on the impact of this on fiat currencies. That might be with Jeff Booth as a guest and just talk through what are the implications for how we've been doing things for 50 years with with fiat currencies, having enormous stress. We saw this week, the the struggle in the Congress to pass a bill that's just going to blow the debt open.

• 1:22:16Speaker 02

  And so there's some big implications for all of this.

• 1:22:19Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, we'll see Bitcoin surpass Microsoft as well. It's got a while to go for beating out gold, but it will get there as well. And of course, this week, we saw a surge Bitcoin surpassing $110,000, setting all new time highs. Just an extraordinary time to be alive, as we say every single time.

• 1:22:41Speaker 02

  You know, we talk about the value of markets. $50 billion of Bitcoin gets traded every day.

• 1:22:49Speaker 02

  That's the staggering number. I mean, it's incredible.

• 1:22:52Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, I know one first, I know one person is very happy, and that's Mike Saylor. You know, I haven't seen I haven't seen MicroStrategy's stock continuing to peak at the same time that Bitcoin's been going up. It's interesting if it's dislocated from from Bitcoin in some fashion, but that's a different conversation. Thank you, everybody, for joining us. Please subscribe. This is our our desire to deliver to you the news that is transforming how we how we govern our nations, how we run our companies, our industries, even educate our kids and our families. Always grateful and appreciative to my moonshot mates here, Salim Ismail, who's that way, about about five meters, and and Dave London, the other side of the US in Boston.

• 1:23:35Peter Diamandis?

  All right, guys, can't wait to see what miracles are gonna happen next week.

• 1:23:40Speaker 01

  So before we sign off, Peter, I just wanted to throw out a thank you for inventing this podcast. It's getting far, far more views than I ever would have guessed. And for me, it's been life-changing in that this is so much more efficient a way to reach out to people than one-on-one meetings, getting on stage, you know, which I do a lot of anyway. But this has just been life-changing for me. And I just wanted to thank you for inventing it and also for inviting me to join you in it.

• 1:24:05Peter Diamandis?

  Oh, you, it's part of the family here. I love, love your insights, brother. All right.

• 1:24:10Speaker 02

  It's so fun. I mean, you're wrong about a couple of things on the democratization, but the tech insights coming from you, Dave, are off the hook. So, so really great. Thanks, Lynn.

• 1:24:20Peter Diamandis?

  All right, guys, have an awesome day. Can't wait to see what unfolds next week.

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