How to Reprogram Your Mind To Become Successful w/ Roger Hamilton | EP #67

In this episode, Peter and Roger focus on the power and significance of mindsets, especially for entrepreneurs. Together they delve into the seven pivotal mindsets: gratitude, curiosity, moonshot, abundance, exponential, longevity, and purpose-driven. These mindsets are the most crucial assets an entrepreneur possesses, often determining their success more than financial or technological resources. 07:15 | The Power of Mindset Shifts 59:22 | A Longevity Paradigm Shift 2:19:05 | Anxiety vs. Purposeful Living Roger James Hamilton is a Hong Kong-born, Singapore-based author, educator, and social entrepreneur. He is the founder and CEO of Genius Group, a global entrepreneur education company. Hamilton mentors entrepreneurs to grow their enterprises and find their flow. He is also a New York Times bestselling author with books such as Your Life Your Legacy: An Entrepreneur Guide to Finding Your Flow and Wink and Grow Rich. He is also a member of my executive summit, Abundance360. Learn more about Genius University _____________ I only endorse products and services I personally use. To see what they are, please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: Get started with Fountain Life and become the CEO of your health: https://fountainlife.com/peter/ Experience the future of sleep with Eight Sleep. Visit https://www.eightsleep.com/moonshots/ to save $150 on the Pod Cover. _____________ I send weekly emails with the latest insights and trends on today’s and tomorrow’s exponential technologies. Stay ahead of the curve, and sign up now: Tech Blog Get my new Longevity Practices book for free: https://www.diamandis.com/longevity My new book with Salim Ismail, Exponential Organizations 2.0: The New Playbook for 10x Growth and Impact, is now available on Amazon: https://bit.ly/3P3j54J Learn more about my executive summit, Abundance360 _____________ Connect With Peter: Twitter Instagram Youtube Moonshots Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 1:01Peter Diamandis?

  We are living in a world of an abundant amount of opportunity. You are constantly being hit by opportunities left, right and center and challenges. And your mindset is how you react to those opportunities and challenges.

• 1:19Speaker 03

  All the biggest breakthroughs happen when someone has questioned, something shifted it, and then people go, "Why didn't I think of that?" Right? Like that's something that anyone could have thought of, but it comes down to basically quality, like you say, not of the answers, but of the questions that we're asking.

• 1:33Peter Diamandis?

  Everyone can have these mindsets. No matter if you're in the hardest, most difficult situation, you can see the world through these eyes. We're constantly training our neural net.

• 1:43Speaker 03

  You can't have two mindsets at the same time. So if you can actually shift from what you are to what's actually going to make you think differently, that changes everything.

• 1:50Peter Diamandis?

  Your mindset, it matters. Choose it, develop it, hang out with the right people. What's on your walls? What are you reading? What are you watching? Mindsets matter, please. It is one of the greatest things that you've got.

• 2:05Peter Diamandis?

  Welcome to Moonshots. I'm here with a dear friend, Roger Hamilton. He's the CEO of GeniusU, the Genius Group. I've been looking forward to this conversation for quite some time. We're gonna go deep into mindsets, which, as you know, I believe is the single most important asset that an entrepreneur has. Roger, welcome, pal.

• 2:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, good to be here.

• 2:26Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, thank you for flying in from the other side of the planet to be here. Where were you yesterday?

• 2:32Speaker 03

  Warsaw, I was in Warsaw in Poland, and then we're gonna be around the US for the next couple of weeks, and then off to Asia.

• 2:37Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, well, thank you for being your first visit and your first meeting. You know, Roger, you and I have played jazz on mindsets, and so I've been excited to really share how you think about it, you know, the experiences you've had, how you teach this. When I'm explaining mindsets to individuals, the example I use is, okay, think of the single top leader on the planet, the best entrepreneur on the planet, you know, was it Elon Musk, was it Mahatma Gandhi, was it, you know, Martin Luther King, whomever it is, and ask yourself, what made them successful?

• 3:18Peter Diamandis?

  Was it the money they had? Was it the technology they had, the friend network they had, or was it their mindset? And of course, everybody says their mindset. My next comment is, if you believe it's their mindset, then what mindset do you have, right? If mindset is that important of being a successful leader, a successful entrepreneur, and then the next question is, where'd you get that mindset? What mindset should you have for the decade ahead? So there are seven mindsets I want to talk through with you today, and you may call them other things, but let's run through. Number one, a gratitude mindset, a curiosity or growth mindset, a moonshot mindset,

• 3:59Peter Diamandis?

  number four, an abundance mindset, number five, an exponential mindset, a longevity mindset, and a purpose-driven mindset. So I want to jump into those, and if you don't mind, let's dissect them. What are they? Why are they important? What examples do we have? Does that sound good?

• 4:17Speaker 03

  I think it sounds good. I think one thing, before we jump right into it, which you and I've talked about as well... About how much you can not just be defined by your mindset, but that you can change your mindset. I think that's the really important thing to.

• 4:29Peter Diamandis?

  That's the most important thing. If you if you come away from this podcast without learning tools and committing to upgrading your mindset, then, you know, you've wasted your time.

• 4:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly. Plus, everyone has a mindset. The only thing is you may not be aware of what your mindset is because you got it from your parents. You got it from school, from some other area. And and there is a distinct link between mindset, which is how you're perceiving things or what you're believing. Uh, worldview, which is what then starts showing up around you.

• 5:01Peter Diamandis?

  Sure.

• 5:02Speaker 03

  And then the paradigm, right? The paradigm you live in, which is and and they affect each other. If you go into a new paradigm, you you're with a group of people that have a totally different way of thinking about health. For example, then your mindset will start changing as well naturally because you're already around other people who have different beliefs and are thinking in different ways, right? Um, and and if I could start with the quick story, which I I use quite often to show um the blind spots of mindset. This is a uh basically a case study from Stanford University when the MBA students were basically given an exercise uh two hours. Here's an envelope with five dollars.

• 5:36Peter Diamandis?

  Mm hmm.

• 5:36Speaker 03

  Uh, maximize your money. And what was super interesting after two hours when they came back was some people had actually lost their money. Uh, other people had made a little bit, um, but there was others that made thousands of percent on their money. In fact, the top one was over a thousand dollars, right? So so what happened that allowed different people with different mindsets to think differently? Anyone who started with the money said, how do I turn the five dollars into six or seven? They always failed, right? Because they were starting with the fact that they thought the value was a five dollars. Um, there's one group that came back and they had made about two hundred dollars because they figured, well, what we've actually got is two hours, right? That's the that's the value.

• 6:10Peter Diamandis?

  That's the asset.

• 6:11Speaker 03

  Exactly. So let's go out and use that two hours. Uh, we'll go uh uh to where the bikes are in Stanford. We'll basically charge people to pump up the tires, uh, but we won't tell them how much. It's just donation, right? So they got a couple hundred. Uh, there was another group that got, I think it was like three or four hundred. They said, well, what what's the true value here? Well, the value is that we're actually coming up to Chinese New Year. Uh, and a a big thing is giving out um oranges, right? So we'll go to all the Chinese restaurants. We'll go to all the people out there who might want oranges, uh, and we'll sell them at a premium, right? So they ended up basically, you know, going out there, you know, taking five dollars, getting some oranges, and then just buying more oranges and making a whole bunch more money. The the ones that made it over a thousand dollars, they said the real value isn't the two hours. It's the fact that we had to come back and present to the class.

• 6:54Speaker 03

  And they basically took their five minutes when they came back to present. And they got a sponsor who wanted that five minutes to talk to all the students. And they basically then charged that, right? So so to me, that's a perfect example of mindset because because it starts by what are you seeing of value? How are you thinking about things? It links into abundance and links into growth curiosity mindset. Um, but once you realize this changes your whole reality depending on how you're thinking about things. And you and I have both had experiences with incredible entrepreneurs where we go, whoa, they're they're thinking about things totally different from the way I'm thinking about it. I need to re code my own thinking so that I also can be operating at whatever level I'm looking for.

• 7:30Peter Diamandis?

  Love that, you know, we're living in the day of uh of neural nets and artificial intelligence. And interestingly, you know, our brains are neural nets. And uh you train a neural net by showing it example after example after example. And it builds weighted uh elements of the neural net. And the challenge becomes to realize that we're constantly training our neural net. And what examples are you showing it? Right? So if you're hanging out with people who have a very linear mindset, incremental mindset. Um, that's typically how you'll think. And if you're hanging out with the Elon Musks of the world, you're thinking, how do I go not just ten X bigger, but a thousand X bigger? Right? It's the difference of that example at Stanford.

• 8:15Peter Diamandis?

  So I I I think let's talk one second before we jump into the mindsets of how do you shape your mindsets? Um, so the first thing we've said is who you hang out with.

• 8:26Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 8:26Peter Diamandis?

  I think that's one of the most important, the old adage, or the average of the five people you spend the most time with, right? So asking yourself, okay, who am I hanging out with? And do they do they reflect the kind of mindset I want to develop?

• 8:39Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 8:40Peter Diamandis?

  Uh, what else shapes mindsets?

• 8:41Speaker 03

  Uh, I think one of the biggest ones is the unwritten rules. It's a game you're playing. Uh, uh, I still remember a really great um uh conversation I had with Lynn Twist, who wrote The Soul of Money. She set up Patch Mama, uh, which is uh an alliance to help the rainforest. And she said, one of the biggest challenges is we think the education system or the government or the media are affecting our mindset, which is true. But parents themselves can actually have the biggest impact.

• 9:08Peter Diamandis?

  Of course.

• 9:08Speaker 03

  She gives this great story about like um most kids, when they're young, they love playing. They haven't yet learned about lack. Uh, or the lack mindset. Um, you know, Johnny's going to the uh birthday party, super excited. The music's on, he's dancing, thinks this is fantastic. The adults all put out these chairs in the middle of the floor. He goes, what's happening here? Uh, and then suddenly the music stops and everyone jumps in the chairs. This is a great game. I love this. So he then goes and sits in the chair as well. Then the music starts again, everyone's dancing, so he gets up and he's dancing. And then the parents come in and they take a chair away and he's like, what just happened? There's not enough chairs anymore. And then basically the music stops and everyone jumps in the chair and he jumps in and poor Sally doesn't get a chair. She like, she didn't got a chair. And it's like, sorry Sally, you're out, right? So he's like, okay, now I know what the game is, right?

• 9:53Speaker 03

  And so then the music starts and another chair goes, and this keeps on happening, keeps on jumping the chair. Until at the end, it's just him and his best friend, John, and they take a chair away. There's now only one chair and John is no longer his best friend, right? It's like, it's like, we actually get taught lack mindset without even knowing it. And then we think there's not enough, there's not enough money, there's not enough opportunities, there's not. And so we then end up in this energy where we have to realize that's what's really going on. And then reprogram and rethink, well, what is an abundance mindset as an example, which is the opposite? And realize that you can't have two mindsets at the same time. So if you can actually shift from what you are to what's actually going to like, think differently, that changes everything, right?

• 10:33Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, and we'll talk about that. Yeah, I'm in the middle of reading uh uh the biography that just came out on Elon Musk.

• 10:40Speaker 03

  All right, yeah.

• 10:41Peter Diamandis?

  And, you know, just learning about his childhood and I've known Elon, I mean, very well over the last twenty three years. And, you know, I've experienced his demon mode, I've experienced the various personalities and how driven he is. And it's so clear looking at that, you know, it's interesting, like I have two twelve year olds. And as we're raising them, you know, a lot of the most successful people on the planet went through a lot of hardship when they were kids.

• 11:09Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 11:09Peter Diamandis?

  I mean, serious hardship and and Elon is is, you know, nine out of ten there. And when we coddle our children. And protect them, we're not doing them a favor, we're not giving them uh that particular it set of experiences to understand that the world is filled with challenges. And how do you actually take advantage of those challenges or navigate those challenges? So we talked about um your parents, we talked about your friends. Uh obviously, I talk about the crisis news network and the constantly negative news network and the, you know, the news. Do you watch the news?

• 11:45Speaker 03

  No, uh I I I create my own news through my uh different Twitter lists. Where I choose who are the people I really uh respect and care about their opinion. And I'll use that as a news hundred percent, not the the mainstream media, because it's just getting crazy out there.

• 12:01Peter Diamandis?

  So what else? Uh what you watch, what you read?

• 12:04Speaker 03

  I think the entire economic system. I mean, the the fact that we are uh the the the whole of the current economic system we have was designed, like if you actually go back to the whole concept of even the word economy, which means to economize, right? It means to actually be managing scarce resources.

• 12:18Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 12:19Speaker 03

  Uh and with that, everyone, I need to have a job because that's the way I get money. Uh you know, I need to uh uh basically fight over, you know, um you know, the limited zero sum games that are being played, right? Whether it's, you know, trading on the stock market where the only way I win is someone else loses or um you know, uh chasing for a job where a thousand people are going to the same job.

• 12:37Peter Diamandis?

  As well, right? And what country you're raised in?

• 12:39Speaker 03

  Exactly. I mean, living in Bali, which is where, which is where I I, when I first met you, I'd been living there for like ten years. Um a totally different mindset and an energy. I still remember when we had a uh an entrepreneur from Netherlands who came out and he says, look, I really hope when I'm here, I'm going to learn much more about how I can make money. We had like these entrepreneur programs at our resort there. And um I said, maybe you'll have a whole different relationship with money once you come out here. And he goes, what does that mean? I says, well, just wait and just see what we go through. The next morning at breakfast, he comes over and he goes, I've had an awakening already. We're like, what are you talking about? He goes, Roger was saying yesterday, like, I'm gonna have new relationship money. I didn't even know what that meant. But then I went down to the market on a walk this morning down at the village and

• 13:19Speaker 03

  and I saw the bananas there and like in Europe, if you wanted to get like a bunch of bananas, it's gonna cost you euros to get that. Whereas here, it's like cents. It's like incredible. I realized I didn't even need all that money because it's so cheap to basically even just live here. That's something, what am I even chasing? And I go, that was your learning? He goes, yeah. I said, well, what happened? He goes, well, I bought the bananas. I said, but there's banana trees out back.

• 13:43Speaker 03

  So what's really interesting is that when when you are in certain parts of the world, you straight like travel is one of the best things, right? Because you go to a different part and you realize you have a very different mindset. Many of the things that I know we're talking about today, abundance mindset, even moonshot mindset, you know, what is it that makes people think, you know, differently? Obviously, if you're an entrepreneur and you're going to, you know, before it was Silicon Valley, now it's the likes of like, you know, Texas, Florida, the hubs of entrepreneurship. You're gonna be around other people that are thinking in that same way. But the actual system is also set up in a way to reward it as well. So the incentives that are designed and how they're set up.

• 14:18Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 14:19Speaker 03

  Education is going through a massive change. You mentioned Elon, what he what he put as a genesis for at Astra, his own school for his own kids, was very much about, okay, how do you become purpose driven in your learning? Those kind of things. So I think what's really magical today is that we are having more and more of the top leaders and entrepreneurs in the world openly sharing what they are learning and the way they're thinking or how they're seeing things, right? And that just makes a huge difference because it means that we can all start seeing how they're getting the results they're getting through having a different mindset. And then it's up to us to choose if we want to make that shift ourselves as well.

• 14:53Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah. You know, I think one of the important things that people need to realize is we are living in a world of an abundant amount of opportunity. You are constantly being hit by opportunities left, right and center and challenges. And your mindset is how you react to those opportunities and challenges. And the same thing going to one entrepreneur versus another entrepreneur will have a completely different outcome based on it. One of my favorite examples of this is, I remember showing this in the early days of Abundance 360, was a video in that taken in a high school. There's like a 12th grader walking along. It's Halloween and he's walking by a trash bin and.

• 15:37Peter Diamandis?

  Out of the trash bin jumps a person with a scary mask on to go boo. And what you expect is the person walking by to like, you know, get scared and pull back. Instead, he punches the guy in the face.

• 15:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, I've seen that one.

• 15:53Peter Diamandis?

  Do you remember that? And it's like, okay, that's a very different mindset, how you react to things, right? So, you know, most people would be scared by that. This guy is a fighter, whatever it might be, and his reaction to fear is to attack.

• 16:08Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 16:09Peter Diamandis?

  And all of that is wired into your neural network. So as an entrepreneur, if you're hit by some massive challenge, do you cower? Or do you actually go on the attack and, you know, and fix it? And so that's what we're discussing today. I think the importance of these mindsets in creating the neural net you want in the world.

• 16:34Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 16:34Peter Diamandis?

  To take advantage of this exponential growth we're in the midst of.

• 16:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:39Peter Diamandis?

  Um, anything else before we jump into our first mindset?

• 16:42Speaker 03

  I think one of the interesting things about even ordering the mindsets was I was having a conversation with you about what I spent my life on, which is really thinking about consciousness itself. Like, like the fact that we have these different levels of consciousness that we can all see or experience when we meet different people and questioning what to what extent is there a hierarchy to these? Um, obviously with, you know, Pavlov's hierarchy of human needs, he's, you know, he's like looking at where we are in our lives and what we need to do before we do the next step. Right? Like, okay, physiological safety, you're talking about like, you know, fight or flight. Um, you know, do we have first of all, our needs met? And then do we have the safety? And then do we have connection? And then getting into recognition and, and, and self enlightenment and these.

• 17:27Speaker 03

  You can't be starting from the top because if you don't have the safety at the bottom, then you have that challenge. And what's really interesting is that in my experience, the mindsets at every single level of those almost always by default ends up being the one that doesn't serve us for whatever the reason. And for us to then consciously having to shift our mindset, shift our paradigm. So that what we thought was difficult becomes easy, right? And actually moves to next level. And I know that order we're going to go through actually links in with what I call basically the the the wealth spectrum or the talent spectrum, which is these levels of consciousness, which is super interesting because then you can almost start at the right level and then move up and go, oh, that's why that mindset is super important to have because if I didn't have that one, this third or fourth one later is going to be really difficult to to jump up to as well. So just that final thing that

• 18:12Peter Diamandis?

  Sure.

• 18:12Speaker 03

  I'd love to go a bit more into what that looks like and why it's in that order.

• 18:15Peter Diamandis?

  And for each of these mindsets, I really want to dig in to, you know, why it's important and what you can do to develop it, exercise it, right? It's not like going to the gym once and doing one set of reps and assuming that you're going to be fine. These are mindsets you cultivate and you say, I'm going to focus on. And it needs to become second nature. A lot of these mindsets that I've been developing over the years and you have too.

• 18:42Peter Diamandis?

  Like the abundance mindset wasn't something I always had. And it was something that I developed over time. And it's become second nature now. And everyone can have these mindsets, no matter if you're in the hardest, most difficult situation. You can see the world through these eyes. And let's begin with the first one, which is one that I think everybody has heard of, everybody hopefully has played with, but may not be living in it, which is a gratitude mindset. So let's define a gratitude mindset. How do you define it?

• 19:15Speaker 03

  So the way I, and the reason this is for me is so important that it's the first one is that. A default for many of us, especially because of the world we're living in right now, is one where there is fear, where there is this idea that we don't have enough or that we're not enough. This idea that we are in some way lacking.

• 19:33Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 19:33Speaker 03

  And so if you start thinking, okay, so this idea of, and by the way, this isn't just from the point of view of feeling you don't have enough. It's feeling you deserve something that you don't deserve. So fundamentally entitlement, right? Like the entitlement mindset, which is why.

• 19:50Peter Diamandis?

  We're talking about opposites here, right? Every mindset has an opposite.

• 19:53Speaker 03

  So in a way gratitude, the opposite is entitled. So I deserve this thing. I should have this thing. I don't have it, right? That's not fair. That person has it. I don't. So effectively, the opposite of gratitude is judgment. It's judgment where you're basically having a negative charge against someone or something. Because you're fighting against that, right? Kind of like the victim mindset. Whereas gratitude, something is like, oh, there is enough. So I'll give you an example. If you wake up in the morning and you need a job, right? And you basically say, all right, like, I'm not happy today because I don't have a job. More importantly, I'm going to spend today going out looking for a job, right? That's a totally different thing from wake up in the morning and going, wow, I had these incredible skills to do web design. That's an incredible opportunity for someone. The fact that I have this set of skills that are available right now, right? So I'm going to go out and I'm going to give that opportunity to someone, right?

• 20:38Speaker 03

  Or I need money for my business. Okay, no, I've got a great investment opportunity for someone. Totally different way of thinking about it. So starting by saying, well, what am I grateful for today? Knowing that whatever your biggest problem is, is actually someone else's biggest opportunity, right? So what is it that I have to give? Because there's a limit to what I can get, but there's no limit to what I can give. And what you can give is what you're grateful for, right? So starting always from that place means you're starting the day already having won. And I remember hearing this from Tony Robbins, who basically was like saying the most important starting point is having a gratitude mindset because it starts you not being at a disadvantage to the world by having nothing to give and feeling that everything is coming your way. And it's actually the opposite.

• 21:18Peter Diamandis?

  That's beautiful. You know.

• 21:21Peter Diamandis?

  We have to realize that when you're exhibiting a specific mindset, it's either attracting people to you or it's pushing people away.

• 21:30Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 21:30Peter Diamandis?

  Right? And a gratitude mindset where you're coming at and you're like, it's, I woke up, I have a roof over my head, you know, I have a family that loves me. I have an education, all of these things and feeling grateful that is something which in a conversation with someone else comes across. People like hanging out with grateful people.

• 21:51Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 21:51Peter Diamandis?

  Right? No one wants to hang out with someone who feels like I deserve this. I need this. You owe this to me. I mean, that instantly defeats you before you even start.

• 22:02Speaker 03

  Yeah. What's also really interesting is that when you look at people who are super successful, who get to the level of success, whatever they choose success to be, is that, is that point at which they already chose um to have it before they had it like so.

• 22:17Peter Diamandis?

  Ah, like that.

• 22:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, I remember uh like this is when I was very early twenties and I was like, I'm going to be successful in life. And I was, I was looking into one of these CD sets, which was from uh, you know, one of the classic motivational speakers. And, and he was like, are you the kind of person who is constantly saying, I'm going to be successful one day, that I'm going to make it one day. And I'm like, yeah, that's me, that's me. And he goes, well, if you are, you're never going to be successful. And I'm like, what?

• 22:39Speaker 03

  Why not? It's just because if you wake up every day, being the person that's striving to be successful, well, then the universe is going to basically deliver that to you and you're going to go through the next week, the next month, being that person trying to be successful. You're not successful, right? But if you instead, you basically said, I'm grateful already for the success I have in the journey I'm on. You actually already start operating differently. You, you don't, you're not in a, in a energy of needing, right? Or grabbing, you're in an energy of offering or giving. And so you're going to meet with the right people. They're going to respond to you totally differently. We all know that if you want money from the bank, they're only going to give it to you when you don't need it, right?

• 23:11Peter Diamandis?

  So it's like. I, I keep on saying that, right?

• 23:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 23:14Peter Diamandis?

  Exactly.

• 23:15Speaker 03

  And, and, and on, on this point of, of, because I think there's some really interesting um exercises. I'm sure there's some you've done, you could share. I have some that I do every day, actually, to really reset and make sure that I, that I, especially if you are. Growing your success, the biggest challenge of not having a gratitude mindset or not reminding yourself is your fear of loss of what you've got.

• 23:36Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 23:36Speaker 03

  It's like, oh, I can't risk it because I might lose this thing as opposed to like realizing no, it's the value you have for tomorrow which makes a difference. Um, I was in uh Hong Kong, uh, uh, this was uh decades ago and Richard Branson was um was visiting and he was in the same hotel, the Ritz Carlton that I was in, uh, and he was doing this big stunt by the swimming pool because they had just launched their London to Sydney um uh Virgin flight.

• 24:02Peter Diamandis?

  Mm hmm.

• 24:02Speaker 03

  And I was thinking, wait, hang on, why is he in Hong Kong, which has nothing to do with either London or Sydney and the flight doesn't even come through Hong Kong? There must be something he needs, right? But I knew that if he needs something, he never ever shares about him needing something based on him saying, I need this, can anyone help me? Because you never get what you need. Instead, he's gonna be basically sharing what he's grateful for, right? He's gonna be sharing what he's offering.

• 24:24Peter Diamandis?

  Hmm.

• 24:24Speaker 03

  And then from there, he's most likely gonna get it. So I listened in to what he was sharing and he did the whole stunt where he threw the stewardesses in the swimming pool, then he jumped in himself. And then when they said, well, why are you in Hong Kong? He says, well, I'm so grateful that we're able to go to all these different international places. It's fantastic to see and I'm also very grateful that Virgin Mobile is now launching in China and that we're gonna be having all these incredible partners that are gonna come join us. And if you happen to be someone in the industry who would like to connect with us, we're here in town. So he basically, his big need was the fact he needed partners in China, but the whole thing was based on his gratitude and on what he was offering.

• 24:56Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 24:56Speaker 03

  And so of course, he then was able to attract it far more effectively.

• 24:59Peter Diamandis?

  So let's talk about gratitude practices because I, I think you can, you can flip your mindset from lack to gratitude in a heartbeat.

• 25:08Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 25:09Peter Diamandis?

  Uh, it really is that fast. Uh, you know, a few different practices uh that I've played with is, you know, I do this actually at night when I go to sleep is thinking back of what were the three things from the day that I was most grateful for.

• 25:23Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 25:23Peter Diamandis?

  And it's a beautiful practice to put your mind at ease in the day. Typically, it's amazing, it's not about a business deal, it's typically about my kids, it's about the basics of life, you know, I'm in good health, my, my children, which went to the doctor game last night, loved that.

• 25:40Peter Diamandis?

  The other thing is in the morning when I meditate, uh, I have played a game where I said, can I be twenty or thirty percent more grateful and happy?

• 25:52Peter Diamandis?

  Today. Just and like, and so when I'm encountering people, it's like just just being that much more grateful and happy and the two go together. What about you? What do you play with as gratitude practices?

• 26:05Speaker 03

  One thing I started in my twenties and I still do it today is a practice of eight questions, which I ask myself in the morning and, and I might be on a run, I might be uh uh basically in meditation. I might be, you know, having my breakfast, but I'll always take the time to do them and, and I use questions rather than any kind of mantra because I never know what the unconscious is going to serve up. But the questions um help me direct myself into different areas where gratitude can show up. So um the first, the first question that I, I ask myself um is what am I grateful for? Which is an obvious one, right? So there's always going to be something that shows up. Uh if things are tough, like, oh, everything's going wrong. Sometimes I'm grateful for the learning that's coming out of that, right? But there's always going to be something you're grateful for. Um the second thing that I ask is who do I love?

• 26:49Speaker 03

  And I find that's a super interesting one because it's another form of gratitude, right? But it's a stronger form. And what's super interesting about that is, you know, I have a rule. Uh I think most of us do if you've got some crazy or mad email that comes through. And it's like, you want to just like answer back at this person who is creating an issue. And then you realize, wait, no, I'm going to sleep on it, right? And the next morning.

• 27:07Peter Diamandis?

  By the way, that's always the right answer. Always the right answer.

• 27:11Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 27:12Peter Diamandis?

  Always.

• 27:13Speaker 03

  And then when the next morning it's like, who do I love? Sometimes they're the ones that show up. It's like, oh, okay. And then you realize there's a whole different way to deal with it, right? And the third one, which is probably the one I find most valuable out of all three of these is why am I so happy? And, and that one has been super powerful for me because we've all gone through tough times in life. In fact, I don't see success as something which means you go higher. I see it means something you go further out to sea where, where the ways get bigger, right? Which higher highs, lower lows, both ways. But if you are able to be navigating in such a way that you've got the horizon, you've got the balance, you're going to be fine. And why am I so happy? Um there's always something to be happy about, even if you don't feel.

• 27:48Peter Diamandis?

  And that's a fascinating question to ask, right? Because it forces your brain to, to say, am I so happy? Okay, no, why am I so happy? And start to list reasons that then self. Validate the fact that you're so happy.

• 28:00Speaker 03

  That's right, that's right. And it's very difficult to ask that question and not smile, right? So, so, so these three are my, my, I, I talk about showing up, stepping up, giving back, right? And you've got a shot for us, which is just have a level of self-awareness of what paradigm you're living in, right? Uh, and anything that's not serving you, well, go say, well, who else is being happier in the same situation? What did they learn from this as well? Um, after that, it's about the rest of the day. So the kind of stepping up part, I always ask myself uh, for four and five, and I think even if someone just does something similar to those first three, similar to what, what you do, where you've got to focus at it, that already totally changes your state. Um, the next part, which is the, the, the stepping up part, I ask two questions. What am I committed to? Uh, because this is not a to-do list, it's just a commitment, right? Like, what is that commitment?

• 28:43Speaker 03

  Uh, and how committed am I, right? Which is always a percentage, right? Because sometimes I'll be committed to something, but it's just not fixing itself or not sorting itself out. Uh, and I realize often it's because I'm not as committed as I think I am. So that just helps me, without any to-do list or any action, to just be present to what my direction is. And then my final questions are all about kind of the whole giving back part. I asked, what is my intention today? So that's what I do at the beginning of the day. Intention is not, again, about actions, it's about putting it out there, like in terms of the energy, like if, you know, if, if, if you're scowling all the time, you go around wondering why no one's smiling at you, right? It's because you're putting out there the negative energy, you're going to get it back as well. But you put out the right energy of intention, and sometimes that intention, actually, the one after that, which is what is my wish, which is how's the universe going to give back?

• 29:28Speaker 03

  Uh, Buckminster Fuller, he has this concept of lag where he says, there is a lag time between thought and manifestation. And if you're on the right journey, if you're purpose-driven, uh, you'll get rewarded very quickly, right? My intention is that I get the right person who's going to come and help fund, uh, my project. They might just call me during the day, right? If I'm on purpose. If I'm not on purpose, it's like going against the current. I might have to wait months and I'm still not going to get that call. So I can then help guide myself on that. And then the final question is why am I here, right? And that is a very much a purpose-driven question as well.

• 29:59Peter Diamandis?

  And we'll, we'll dive into purpose-driven, which is one of the most important. You know, uh, try and experiment, uh, if you're listening to this, enter your next business meeting and begin with gratitude. Begin with why you're so grateful to have this meeting, to have the opportunity to get to know this person, or grateful about how far you've come. People love hanging out with grateful individuals instead of coming at it from what you need and what you want. It's a transformative change in the whole tenor of the conversation.

• 30:29Speaker 03

  Absolutely, and especially relationships, family.

• 30:33Peter Diamandis?

  And relationships, a hundred percent.

• 30:35Speaker 03

  Coming to it from the point of view of that gratitude. Otherwise, you you'll be always focused at where things aren't right as opposed to what's already exactly where it's meant to be.

• 30:44Peter Diamandis?

  It's it's a concept called being in the gap, which is, you know, if you measure yourself on how far you've come versus how far you want to go, which can be infinite, right? It's that ratio is really important. I mean, one of the things I do in the morning to to be in a grateful state is I will look at all the things I need to do during the day. And I will say, these three are the most important. If I accomplish these three things, then today is a massive success.

• 31:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:17Peter Diamandis?

  Right? Instead of at the end of the day, all the things I haven't done. So set yourself up for a win and to be grateful at the very beginning of the day.

• 31:26Speaker 03

  Two two final things I think are really important around this concept of gratitude and practice, which is, first of all, it's as much about what you don't do as what you do. So, for example, if you go through a mantra and then you straight away get onto social media, right? Guess what, right? Like, the whole of what the algorithm works on is conflict, right? Everything is about who's dissing who, right? Who's mad at who, right? The opposite of gratitude, right? No one's like, nothing about great gratitude is showing up on the on the top of social media. So if you want to see conflict, if you want to see all of the things that make people feel they deserve more or things aren't right, or that person's wrong, you're gonna find it there, right? So that's a really important thing as well. Have that in context later when you're gathering information or when you're connecting to people

• 32:08Speaker 03

  and realize, you know, that's where you basically better have your armor on already. Because if not, you're about to go into battle and you're gonna get whacked from the side, right? That's one thing super important.

• 32:16Peter Diamandis?

  It's protecting protecting your mind.

• 32:19Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 32:20Peter Diamandis?

  Right? It's it's, you know, we'll talk about longevity later. You know, I'm very careful about what I eat, right? And at the same way, I'm very careful about what I let into my mind, what conversations, what, you know, what's on TV, who I'm hanging out with.

• 32:37Peter Diamandis?

  All right, our next one, curiosity and growth mindset. Love this one. How do you define it?

• 32:43Speaker 03

  So for me, the Carol Drex book mindset, which is all about the difference of a growth mindset versus a fixed mindset, is everything to do with the fact that if you're stuck in a situation and you have the opposite of a curiosity or growth mindset, which is a fixed mindset there, like this is the only way, or this is the only way I know, you're constantly going to get stuck because you have no flexibility in the way you're thinking, or you think there's only one right answer. Unfortunately, a lot of the education system is built this way, right? It's like fixed mindset. If you get the right answer, you get an A. If you get the wrong answer, you're going to fail, right? As opposed to the curiosity mindset, where it's not about needing to know in order to do, right? You're not gonna, you're not gonna learn how to ride a bike by reading a book on how to ride a bike, right?

• 33:27Speaker 03

  You're gonna need to do in order to know, right? So that's more the entrepreneurial mindset, which is I'm not gonna actually know the right way unless I actually experiment, try new things out. And whatever was the way things were working, this is why we see multinationals collapse. Because the model that did work, especially in fast-changing times, it no longer works. And if a board has a fixed mindset, that business is going to collapse. So understanding that the curiosity and growth mindset is probably something that maybe 50 years ago, when you had a stable job, when companies were going to be around forever, wasn't as important, whereas today it is essential. Because it's how you then find the best answer, which is going to be different from what it was yesterday.

• 34:06Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, the world actually valued a fixed mindset. It valued knowing how to work on the assembly line and do A, B, and C. And I don't want you to deviate. I don't want you to be curious about what's happened the other side of the factory. I want you to do A, B, and C over and over and over again. And this is our educational system today. We want people trained to the test. We don't want them to be, you know, their minds wandering about what else is going on. It's interesting, you know, a curiosity and growth mindset today is enabled to a large degree because of our ability to experiment. You know, there was the tyranny of certainty. I want to explain that the tyranny of certainty was in the old days you would hire

• 34:51Peter Diamandis?

  a consultant who was certain about how to market something or certain about who will want a particular product and that's the best you could have done back then today. I don't care what the expert says, you know, I define the expert as someone who can tell you exactly how it can't be done. I want to run the experiments. I want to try a thousand experiments and actually see who wants what, you know, this is Amazon, this is Google, this is every tech company out there. Your ability to rapidly experiment and try a thousand different, you know, flavors of a product to find out what people want. Cause a lot of time, people don't even actually know what they want.

• 35:28Speaker 03

  That's right. That's right. And, and there's a level of humility. Humility is linked to gratitude as well. So if you don't have gratitude or that energy, which is that there's already enough that I don't have to hold on to all the best ideas or I have to be right, which is one of the worst parts about, you know, not having gratitude, which means that you then are like, well, I don't want to look stupid, so I better pretend I'm right when I'm not. I still remember my first mentor when I was nineteen years old. I, I'd never met a millionaire before. This guy was from Columbus, Ohio, and I was at Cambridge University at the time, trying to start up my first business. Uh, this guy's name is Mike Bronson. He came out to see me in, in, um, in our little business where we had all these students creating like these maps with little logos for, that were giving companies a charge

• 36:11Speaker 03

  to be on the, on, on the maps. And, and we thought we were doing pretty good, growing it, but for sure, there was so much I didn't know. And I was getting really stuck in the business. And, uh, he looked at what I was doing and he says, you know, Roger, I don't think you're ever going to be successful. Cause every time he was, he was giving me a suggestion. I was like, no, we thought about that already, right? We, we done, we, we tried that already. So he goes, I, I don't, I don't think you're going to be successful. And, and I said, well, why do you say that? And he says, because you're smart. And I go, what do you mean? And he goes, you're smart. You're from Cambridge. You're smart. You know, all the answers already. And I'm like, uh, okay. Well, well, how did you get successful? And he goes, well, I got successful by knowing I'm stupid. Like, cause if I'm stupid, that means I'm never going to think I have the right answer. Right? And even more so, I'll be hiring smart people like you to come up with all the answers for me, right?

• 36:51Peter Diamandis?

  I love that.

• 36:52Speaker 03

  And I was like, okay, that's the whole.

• 36:54Peter Diamandis?

  And so true, always hire smarter people than yourself.

• 36:57Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 36:58Peter Diamandis?

  I mean, the curiosity mindset today is so critically important because you can know. One of the things when I drop my kids off from school at school in the morning, they're sick of me saying this, but I say, ask great questions. Right? I think the ability, you know, the curiosity mindset, the growth mindset is one that is always asking questions. And, you know, the day before something is truly a breakthrough, it's a crazy idea. And I just, I went, I heard that first from Burt Rutan. Who had built Spaceship One that won the Ansari X Prize and then built Spaceship Two that Virgin Galactic is using. And I was like, huh, the day before something is truly a breakthrough, it's a crazy idea.

• 37:37Peter Diamandis?

  I said, fascinating, because if it isn't a crazy idea, then it's an expected incremental improvement. But if it is a crazy idea, then. Then where inside your organization are you trying crazy ideas? Where are you playing with crazy ideas? Where are you curious enough to say, well, what if? You know, we don't actually build bookstores anymore and we only provide books online. Could that, could that work? And most breakthroughs, most new business models and business models for me are where the real, you know, juice is in as an entrepreneur.

• 38:18Peter Diamandis?

  Are experiments that people try and say, huh, look, there's a signal here. And I'm gonna try a little bit more and try a little bit more, but you need to have. If you're in a fixed mindset, you're gonna just keep on doing the same thing that was always done. You're gonna depend upon the expert consultant. And you're not gonna go and try, you know, things that, that people knowingly believe will never work.

• 38:43Speaker 03

  Yes, yes. I, I think there's also a kind of really interesting. Sequence that, that, that leads largely to a fixed mindset, which when you reverse it. Creates more of a curiosity mindset, just in terms of like a, you know, an actual process that people can follow that I've found works well for entrepreneurs. The three Cs, right, that basically when you go through the normal education process where there's like, here's a recipe, don't deviate, just do this thing, which is very much fixed mindset. Um, it almost starts by saying, okay, first thing you need is you need clarity, right? So like, okay, if you don't know how to do that mass exam, start by reading the book and getting clarity, right? Um, okay, now I've got clarity, now I can take the next step. So what's the next step? Next step is certainty, certainty. That I know the answer, right? So until I get clarity, sorry, I can't make a decision.

• 39:28Speaker 03

  Um, number of times, you know, you'll, you'll be with someone and, and they'll, have you started the business yet? Well, I haven't started yet, so I'm still trying to figure it out. I'm still trying, like, like, so, so you get stuck on that first part because there's no clarity. Um, after you get certainty, which is absolutely, I know exactly that I can do this. Now you can commit to doing it, right? Now, if you actually look at anyone who's got a super high curiosity mindset, it almost starts the opposite way around. It starts by having the commitment first. Like, I love the story of Elon Musk where he's like, I'm gonna figure out a, a way to get to Mars no matter what, right? And how are you gonna do it? I don't know yet, right? Uh, Richard Branson, right? I'm gonna find a way to basically go some way, how am I gonna do that? I remember you telling the story when you were launching the X Prize, right? And he was like, well, I don't know how I'd do it, but I know that if I come and see who's won, I'm gonna have the right person who can come and work with me around that, right?

• 40:13Speaker 03

  But that first part, which is saying, okay, let me just start with certainty, even in the face of uncertainty, like, I, I, this is what's gonna happen. I'm gonna get a commitment towards this. And the fact that it's, it's not about whether it's gonna happen, it's just a matter of when, right? Like, this might take a little longer. And my experience is that those who are successful is because it's not an opportunity that might happen, it's an obligation that must happen, right? The moment you're like, okay.

• 40:34Peter Diamandis?

  It's burn, it's burn the ships, it's commit to go.

• 40:37Speaker 03

  That's right. Like, some people have a health scare where suddenly they realize, I've got to change my health. And then they're so committed to changing it, they start getting very curious very quickly as to what they don't know. Uh, because if you don't have that commitment, you can be curious but still not committing, you go off somewhere else. Once you've got that commitment, then the certainty draws other people in. Other people will come along and say, well, then, then I'll, I'll help out on this as well, right? Um, I still remember when, just talking about Richard Branson, uh, went to Necker Island once, I know we, we've both been there, when I, uh, when I went, I had never met Richard before as part of one of these, um, entrepreneur groups, and I was all super excited to meet him. Uh, and, uh, it was like the middle of the day, we were gonna have dinner at night, uh, and I went down to the beach bar. And Richard Branson was there, right? And he was just here like having

• 41:19Peter Diamandis?

  Hanging out.

• 41:20Speaker 03

  Oh, okay. So I went on and said, hi, Richard, I'm Roger. And he goes, where are you from? I said, from Bali. Uh, he goes, oh, have you, do you know about the green school? And green school, a school there that I was the chairman of the board in? I was like, yes, I'm the chairman of the board. I'm super into the green school and I know you've been there. And he goes, absolutely. You know, I'm trying to figure out at the moment how to make version unite, which is a charity, think more entrepreneurially. How, how do you do that at green school? Have you figured out ways? And I'm like, well, let me tell you what we've figured out. And then I started realizing as I'm talking to him, I've been here for less than five minutes. And I'm giving the billionaire some advice. Like, how did this happen?

• 41:53Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 41:54Speaker 03

  And, and it's because he has this incredible talent for learned incompetence. Meaning he knows answers, but he doesn't come saying, I've got these ideas. He comes with basically, I've got this commitment of where I want to go. Uh, how would you do it? Like, I don't know. Like, you know, what would be the way? And, and so, so the actual uh, clarity comes by people filling the gap.

• 42:16Peter Diamandis?

  I love it.

• 42:17Speaker 03

  By saying his ways, right?

• 42:18Peter Diamandis?

  Learn, learn incompetence. And, and so I want to talk about how do you cultivate a curiosity and growth mindset? And I think that's the first one. It's always asking questions.

• 42:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:28Peter Diamandis?

  Right? It's finding people, you know, uh, success leaves clues. Uh, Tony Robbins always says that. So who are the successful people that you can learn from? Uh, and also it's asking crazy questions, right? We'll talk about this in the moonshot. Uh, mindset, which is, okay, I understand how I can go 10 or 20% bigger. How do I go 10x or a thousand percent bigger?

• 42:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:53Peter Diamandis?

  You know, what is the crazy idea that if it succeeds is going to transform the entire industry? And it's difficult to get into that mindset.

• 43:05Peter Diamandis?

  But I think it's, it's absolutely mandatory if you really want to go and, and transform the world.

• 43:11Speaker 03

  I, I, I, I think that moonshot mindset almost. It definitely becomes easier if you've had some small wins on on being curious about things you didn't know how it was gonna work out, but then it did work out because you were curious enough and you attracted the right people. Then the moonshot becomes easier because there's a very fine line between visionary and delusional.

• 43:33Speaker 03

  You know, Elon might say, I'm gonna go to Mars and people believe it. I say, I'm gonna go to Mars. People wouldn't believe why? Because I have no experience actual credibility in actually launching rocket ships. So so there is an element of not just internal trust, which is confidence, but external trust, which is credibility, where you almost have to earn the right to some extent. A number of people I have who will come to me with a massive moonshot. And I'll go, okay, you're still gonna build your credibility a bit more to get there, which means go be more curious, spend more time around the people that actually can get this done.

• 44:02Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 44:02Speaker 03

  Uh, because often we will, we will, I I still remember with my my sister, talking about curiosity mindset. With my sister, when we had a swimming pool, I was seven years old. Uh, and she was always like coming off some really great dives and so on. I figured like I'm gonna come up a dive she's never seen before. So I was practicing, practicing, practicing while she was um at her ballet classes. She came back. And I say, Elaine, I want to show you this dive that I've got, right? And so and I even put a name to the dive. So basically she'll go, show me. So I got onto the swimming pool and instead of like pointing forwards, I turn around backwards. And then I dive in and she goes, oh, I know how to do a back dive too. And I'm like, how did you know that's what it's called? I had, I didn't even told you the name of it, right? Like, you can't know this, right?

• 44:44Speaker 03

  And so for many, for many of us, we we say, okay, I'm gonna go out and change the world. But then we haven't already connected with the other people that already are doing that and realize, wow, it would be so much easier working with others to do that. And and that's a super important point about uh gratitude and curiosity leads you to the right people that then makes the moonshot possible.

• 45:01Peter Diamandis?

  You know, I want to echo that and expand on it, which is uh having the humility to ask.

• 45:10Peter Diamandis?

  Right, so one of the things I've started doing a lot is I'll go into the Twitterverse. I still haven't been able to call it the X-verse. And ask people, what are your practices or what do you do? And when you can reach and get ideas from all corners of the universe, it's amazing what you can learn. You know, some people say, oh, my God, I don't want to ask because I don't want to give away my idea. Ideas are free. The difference between an idea and executing idea is infinite. And so being able to, you know, don't worry about giving away your idea.

• 45:48Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 45:48Peter Diamandis?

  Believe me, someone else has thought of it a thousand times. It's the person that executes on it that makes the difference.

• 45:53Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 45:54Peter Diamandis?

  Anything else on the curiosity growth mindset you think's important?

• 45:57Speaker 03

  Uh, I think that exactly what you just said, this whole aspect about

• 46:03Speaker 03

  being interested in letting go because you have to let go of being right, but you also have to let go of being the center of whatever game you're playing. So, and what I mean by that is if we think about most opportunities or even the illusion of lack, even money, right? Like for some people, it's like, well, that's fine to say, you know, for me to go out and do lots of things if I had the resources, right? I just don't have the resources right now. But you don't need the money if you know the people with the money, right? You don't need the resources if you know the people with the resources. So, so the thing is, well, how do I build the real capital? That's important, which isn't financial capital that comes afterwards. It's actually the social capital, people you know, or the intellectual capital, the things you know. And if you take an example like a game of football, right?

• 46:47Speaker 03

  Because everything's a game and games have rules. And if you, if you realize that the people with a high mindset are living in a paradigm, which frankly just operate by different rules. So let's imagine that you're looking at the game of football. You think the whole point of game football is to kick the ball, right? Like no point going on and not being able to get the ball.

• 47:03Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, football, you mean what we call soccer here in the United States.

• 47:06Speaker 03

  Soccer, soccer here. But actually, we could use American football as well, right? Just even being able to actually just get hold of the ball. Uh, what happens after you go chasing the ball? You never get it. Why? Because it's always moving faster than you can get to it, right? Plus, people hate someone who's just out chasing the ball instead of. Actually being a team player. So you get off at the end of the game and you're like, that didn't work so well, right? I never got the ball. And then you ask others around, well, did you get a ball? Yeah, I got a ball. How many? I got a hundred balls. You got a hundred balls, right? Like, what about you? I also got a hundred balls. Like, what? Everyone got a hundred balls? How's that even possible, right? When we talk about someone being a millionaire? It's not like that you're sitting there holding on to the million. It's the fact that they've got this flow, which allows them to actually be like, you know, moving through with the ball passing from person to person. And you go, oh, okay, so you didn't get the ball by chasing it. You got the ball by being the opening or the place

• 47:50Speaker 03

  where it was most valuable for others to be, right? So that curiosity mindset is really interesting one, because it isn't just about what am I trying to solve or what thing am I trying to achieve for myself? Is what's the actual game that's being played here? What's the way I could be of value to other people in this game? You know, I call it the difference of of being able to create a job instead of get a job. Because if you there's someone you really want to work with, right? Like, you know, you and I, we're now doing some things together, which came from me asking, what is it Peter's looking for? You asking, what is it Roger? Other people are looking for. There's always a way to fit in if the curiosity is about how to be of value to someone else.

• 48:24Peter Diamandis?

  But starting, starting with with gratitude and giving.

• 48:28Speaker 03

  Exactly, exactly right.

• 48:29Peter Diamandis?

  I'll I'll share another story. I learned it early on and um I I've never ever forgot this. So I'm a sophomore at MIT. I'm running my first real organization ever called Students for the Exploration and Development of Space. It was a college-based space organization. And I was looking to raise five thousand dollars, be able to uh typeset and print and mail a brochure. This is before the internet existed, before, you know, a computer. It was, it's dark ages. And so I went to a place called Draper Labs, which was on the campus of MIT, and I got a meeting with the head of Draper Labs. And I went and pitched my heart out to get a five thousand dollar donation.

• 49:12Peter Diamandis?

  And the guy said, I love what you're doing. I'm sorry, as a, we're a nonprofit, we're not allowed to make donations. And you have a good cause and so forth. And I was just about to leave. I was literally opening the door and I turned around and I said, Is there any chance, now remember, I'm trying to raise five thousand dollars to print the brochures and mail them out to the chapters. I said, is there any chance that you could provide the printing and the mailing in kind? He goes, oh, that's easy. And over the next few years, I got fifty thousand dollars worth of free printing and mailing. And so it's, how do you ask the question in the right way?

• 49:54Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 49:54Peter Diamandis?

  And so whenever I'm speaking to an entrepreneur and advising them, saying, never walk away from a meeting without having learned something, without having asked a number of questions to understand how could I have done this differently? What could I have said differently, approaching it from a different place? Um, and it's that kind of curiosity which will continuously have you learn and win in different dimensions.

• 50:17Speaker 03

  Hmm. That, that, that reminds me of a story, uh, exactly the same thing, especially for anyone listening who might be, I don't think I have a lot of resources right now. And then realizing it's actually the connecting of the dots that in curiosity which makes a difference. I was, um, this is kind of give my age a little bit, but going back to nineteen ninety five, I was just finishing this, my first publishing company, uh, that I had, and I basically was looking to get into technology. And there was, uh, Blenheim, which is one of the biggest event companies in UK. They were running something called Live ninety five, right? Which was basically all of the electronics. So you had PlayStation launching there. You had Microsoft ninety five launching there. Uh, it was all technology and it was a consumer fair. So that you had like hundreds of thousands of people coming to Earl's called London.

• 50:59Speaker 03

  And I was like, I really want to go work with those guys to, to learn about all this because I don't have the technology myself. So I basically knocked on the door. I went in and met the, the event organizer. His name was, uh, Bob Denton and, and I said, Bob, um, I want to come and work with you and go, sorry, we're not hiring anyone right now. He says, no, no, no, I'll do it for free. I just want to be of value. Uh, uh, let me work with your PR company and see if I can add any value at all. He goes, okay, well, you go, you go speak with, uh, with the team there. So I went to the team and I said, look, I, I'll share my value with you in this way. You tell me who would be, uh, the top celebrities you'd want to have come and, and, and work with you. And then I'll say that's my challenge to go get them, right? Uh. They said, well, how many? And I go, I don't know, one male, one female. They said, okay, uh, at that point, uh, Joanna Lumley, who, who was in Absolutely Paddle, like she was like really big in the UK.

• 51:45Speaker 03

  It's like, yeah, get Joanna Lumley for us because we can't get her, right? And then get Frank Bruno, who was like the heavyweight champion of the world at that point in the, in the UK. And I'm like, okay, all right, I'm going to figure this out. So, so first of all, I said, okay, I'm going to go to the different, uh, um, uh, different, uh, exhibitors, right? There was Sony, like I mentioned with the PlayStation. I said, would you, would you be up, if we could get Frank Bruno, would you be up for basically, um, paying for him? If we brought him to your stand, right? And these, they were like, okay, sure, we can do that, right? So I called up the agent, that was an easier one. It's like a hundred thousand dollars, uh, they said, okay, to that. And so we did that deal. And then I then did the same with Joanna Lumley. I contacted her team, I said, how much does it cost? And he goes, she's not doing anything at all for money because she's got enough money. Well, what is she interested in? Well, she's, um, she's working for Princess Trust, right? For charity.

• 52:31Speaker 03

  So if you could find a way to actually help on the charity side and give a charity check for like a hundred and fifty thousand dollars, well, then we'd be interested. But it was pound because you're in the UK. So I said, okay, okay, I'll figure that out. So then I was like, well, who's going to put that money in? And Radio, Radio One, which basically was going to be, uh, um, uh, sharing from the, uh, Sage, they actually had a live booth there. I went to Radio One and I said, how many sponsors would you need to have in order for you to get a hundred and fifty thousand check? Like if we can get Joanna Lumley on here, um, could we have three sponsors, right? Uh, and that would cover the hundred and fifty. And then you just do a shout out for them to national radio. And they go, sure, we can do that, right? So then I could, then it went out because I knew they don't want to pay a hundred and fifty, but three people would pay fifty. And in each, and then I brought both back and we managed to get both of them on board.

• 53:14Speaker 03

  And I then ended up basically being the head of the PR there. But this, and I was like in my early twenties at the time, but I knew I had no resources myself. But from everyone who was there, if I could connect the dots.

• 53:25Peter Diamandis?

  Amazing.

• 53:25Speaker 03

  There'd be the value there. And this is curiosity, not at the point of what can I get? But how can I help everyone get what they want and be the one that's joining those dots, right?

• 53:34Peter Diamandis?

  Uh, I love that. Uh, it's true entrepreneurial energy, right? It's, uh, it's, it's not. Accepting no, and it's, there's, there is an answer. There is always an answer, and then being curious about what that answer is. Uh, and finding it, and it's running experiments, it's coming up with ideas and asking people. And just being relentless in that regard.

• 53:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:59Peter Diamandis?

  It's, and it's ultimately like we began the conversation, it's committing to it, burning the ship.

• 54:04Speaker 03

  That's right, that's right.

• 54:05Peter Diamandis?

  And then saying, I have no choice. It's like, you know, when I announced the ten million dollar Ansari X Prize and didn't have the money, it was like. I know there's someone out there, I don't know who it is. Uh, you know, a hundred and fifty knows later, I found out that it was the Ansari family. But there's always an answer.

• 54:20Speaker 03

  And I love that story when you share it because. If you had deviated from that commitment and certainty, it wouldn't have happened, but because you always were committed and certain. It's interesting because a lot of people talk about. Uh, perseverance as a quality. Um, I personally feel perseverance is the end product of this commitment certainty. If you know it's gonna happen one way or the other, of course you have to persevere, right? Because you can't give up. Uh, if you haven't made that commitment, perseverance is almost impossible, right?

• 54:47Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, and it's, it's true, I was absolutely clear, there was no question, there is somebody out there. And, you know, uh, everybody kept on saying, no, no, no, no, no. But there's a lot of wealthy people and corporations out there, there was gonna be somebody, it was. You know, there's a great quote that, uh, uh, I'm not gonna show you the tribute to, maybe it's Martin Rothblatt, you know, every no. Is a step closer to a yes.

• 55:12Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 55:12Peter Diamandis?

  And so celebrate those no's. I would add to that, that every no, you need to take away. Why are they saying no and learn from that?

• 55:20Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 55:21Peter Diamandis?

  Don't accept just the no and walk away with your tail between your legs. Learn from it. Even get a suggestion and an introduction as to who might you pitch next.

• 55:31Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 55:32Peter Diamandis?

  All right, let's transition to, uh, one of my favorite mindsets, a moonshot mindset. I'm going to define it. So I've had the chance to have Astro Teller, who's the captain of moonshots at, it used to be Google X, it's now X at Alphabet. And Astro is brilliant. You know, there's a lot of YouTube videos of him speaking.

• 55:56Speaker 03

  You had him at a bonus three six.

• 55:57Peter Diamandis?

  I've had him a number, a number of times, right? His, uh, he, one, I think his maternal grandfather was a Nobel laureate and his paternal grandfather was the creator of the, uh, the hydrogen bomb. I mean, really incredible lineage. And Astro defines a moonshot mindset as going 10 times bigger when the rest of the world is going 10%.

• 56:22Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 56:22Peter Diamandis?

  So a 10% increase, you know, for most entrepreneurs is pretty good. 10% more revenue, 10% more customers, 10% lower costs. And we can go and achieve that by working harder, right? You can work harder, you can take, um, you know, your organization and fine tune it and squeeze 10% more profits out of it. Uh, but going 10 times, which is a thousand percent. You don't get there incrementally. It requires really clean sheet reinvention of what you're doing. The example that he gives that I love is if you've got an automobile that's doing 50 miles per gallon. Um, I'll use miles per gallon here.

• 57:05Peter Diamandis?

  Uh, and you want it to go 10% bigger to get to 55, you can do that by light weighting the vehicle, maybe changing the tires, the aerodynamic flow. But if you want to go to 500 miles per gallon, there's no way to get there incrementally. You really need to reinvent and start with a clean sheet of paper. Uh, so that's for me a moonshot mindset. Do you have a different definition?

• 57:28Speaker 03

  I, I, I totally agree. It is that, I mean, a new paradigm, think of a paradigm a little bit like a radio station, right? If you, if you're going to be at a whole different frequency, uh, you, you can't just be going incrementally to, like if someone says, okay, whatever my earnings are today, salary or company. What what would life look like if it was ten times what it is today? Like in a year's time, if it was ten times, what would I need to be doing differently? How do I need to be thinking differently? I still remember uh in uh Singapore when I started a publishing company there. I'm now in my kind of like, you know, mid or late twenties and and I was doing it very much the traditional way. I knew how I was like, you know, raising the money, kind of like, you know, doing the printing. I had a a magazine called the Singapore Property Guide. I knew a lot of the real estate agents at the time and uh and as I was I'm going through how I'm gonna grow this business.

• 58:13Speaker 03

  I was thinking very incrementally, like, okay, maybe I can increase the the the revenues a little bit. I can do this and do that. And one day uh this guy comes in, his name is Patrick, he was one of our top clients, he was a real estate agent. And he goes, Roger, I'm gonna be an entrepreneur just like you. And and I go, what do you mean? He goes, um Sim Wong Hu, who uh was a founder of Creative Labs, uh he was uh he was giving like ten million dollar checks to startups in Singapore. He goes, I'm gonna get a million dollar check from Sim Wong Hu. And I'm like, you you're a real estate agent, what what what what the business, what's the business? He goes, I don't know, I just know I'm gonna get a million dollar check. And I'm gonna like, okay, good luck to you. And I'd never seen a million dollar check, right? Our business was getting to that size, but it was a whole bunch of people spending ten thousand or a thousand dollars at a time. Uh a month later, he comes back, he's got a million dollar check.

• 58:57Speaker 03

  And I'm like, what happened? And he goes, I told you, I'd do it, I did it. And I said, but how? It it like what business? And he goes, oh, it's a business on um cordless mice, uh like for the computer. And I go, what do you know about that? And he goes, nothing. He go, I go, well, how did that happen? He goes, well, I went basically into the, I I went like everyone else had to go through like the uh application and everything and and and I got in front of Sim Wong Hu and his group. Uh and I said, I'm committed to taking your million and turn it into ten million dollars, right? And I'm gonna do it in something which is what you yourself want to have uh happen here in Singapore, which is through technology. And so Sim Wong Hu says, so what's your business idea? And he says, well, before I give you my business idea, I wanna know what is one of the biggest opportunities that you believe there is

• 59:41Speaker 03

  within the space that if someone came in with that, you would go for it. And he goes, well, right now, we're trying to figure out all the accessories for the new laptops coming out. Uh we're looking like the biggest one is the cordless mice and how someone can figure that out. He goes, how many? Entrepreneurs have come to you pitching that idea and he goes, well, none so far. He goes, well, then I'm going to be the one, right? I'll pitch that idea. I will commit to doing that. Because I'm more interested not in what my business idea is, but having you as my mentor. So you uh uh get behind me, I will get the team, we'll make it happen. He goes, okay, done. So he got that way. So I was like, oh, my God, I'm really missing something here. And over the next three months. I said, well, if he can get a million, I can get three million. And so I said, all right, like, why can't I get that three million now? Because I'm thinking too small.

• 1:00:22Speaker 03

  I'm thinking about one property guide. What if I had a whole bunch of uh uh products and I went to the VCs? To basically tell them that this is what I had. And what if I had someone running the business? Because I don't enjoy running it. So there's a guy called Peter Watkins, who was the publisher at Emap, which is one of the biggest publishing companies. I knew him, he was an Australian. Um who I went out for drinks once in a while. And I said, Peter, you're not happy where you are. What if you came and worked with us? And we turned our business into a ten million dollar business. He goes, your business is not a ten million dollar business. I said, it's not, but it will be after I raise a three million. So he goes, okay, all right, I'll come on board. But like, when can you pay me? I said, well, give me three months, then I can pay you. But come and work for a couple of months for free and then I'll pay you afterwards. And he goes, okay. So he came, like, he took a leap of faith, because you see, I was certain about it.

• 1:01:02Speaker 03

  I then basically went out to all the different VCs, um three I, which is one of the uh UK uh venture capital firms. They just got really behind the idea. And then three months later, I had this three million dollar check. And for me, and and I, we, those are days of photocopies, where I did a really big photocopy. And for me, that was just a huge paradigm shift that would not have happened if Patrick hadn't come in.

• 1:01:24Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:24Speaker 03

  Basically saying he was already thinking differently, right?

• 1:01:27Peter Diamandis?

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• 1:02:58Peter Diamandis?

  I hope you do it. It's transformed my sleep and will for you as well. Now, back to the episode. You know, sometimes seeing an example is all you need to flip a bit and say, I can do that too. Yes. Right? And there are countless examples right now. So, you know, the moonshot mindset, so what it is, is thinking at a new level. And you can't get there incrementally. You have to literally commit to this new level. And who do I need to be? You know, how do I need to act? You know, one other thing, just to be clear, you don't achieve this moonshot overnight. Yes.

• 1:03:39Peter Diamandis?

  You know, if you look at the moonshots historically, the Apollo program between, you know, for which this is named, John F. Kennedy announces the intent to go to the moon in 1961. And we get there eight years later. If you look at, you know, what the driverless car, you know, from the first DARPA Grand Challenge to the first driverless cars, you know, it's a 10-year. And I joke that these are, you know, overnight successes after 10 years of hard work. For me, the Ansari X Prize was an 11-year overnight success. And so, one of the elements that's super important in going after a moonshot is you truly have to care.

• 1:04:22Peter Diamandis?

  You truly have to have an emotional energy. There has to be something that's driving it. It can't be something that, if I've ever gone into after something that it's just for the money.

• 1:04:34Peter Diamandis?

  I'm gonna give up before I get there. Going for something, you know, big and meaningful to make the proverbial dent in the universe is hard work. And it means failing and failing and failing over and over again, but having the emotional energy to look yourself in the mirror at three AM in the morning and say, nope, I'm gonna keep going. I refuse to give up. This is possible. I've committed to this. And so you have to look at what is the underlying emotional energy driving that moonshot? And that emotional energy can be a positive awe. You know, like, I love this, you know, one of my companies uh was a company called Zero Gravity Corporation. We do these weightless parabolic flights.

• 1:05:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, we went together.

• 1:05:17Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, um, and, uh, you know, my high points was flying Stephen Hawking in the Zero G. Uh, and I committed to that company of May of ninety-three. It became operational in September of two thousand and four. It was, again, eleven years of not giving up, but I was so committed to this. And, uh, there are other people who are driven by a negative emotion, like they've been hurt. They are someone their family's been harmed. I refuse to let this go on. I'm going to solve this problem. And so, you know, if you're going after a moonshot, uh, you know, Elon's proverbial going to Mars or transforming into an electric economy.

• 1:05:58Peter Diamandis?

  Um, you understand that there is deep-seated emotional energy driving that. And so this is not a, you know, get rich quick scheme. It's a massive commitment of emotional energy.

• 1:06:12Speaker 03

  I, I still remember, um, the first time I came to one of the programs at Singularity University, right? And that's where we met up. And, uh, I, I was in Bali, uh, really thinking a lot about where the world is going. You know, is the singularity coming? And, and I was watching some videos of you yourself and Ray Coeswell talking about singularity and, and then Singularity University happening. I, at that point, I was at the grade school. I was focusing very much at Like the education system, but not at a massive scale, right? I was, we're talking about how could we grow things? Um, but when I, when, when I came out and we went on a couple of different uh field trips and one of them was to one of the uh DNA uh printing labs, uh I don't remember if you remember back then, but I remember

• 1:06:55Speaker 03

  sitting there and we were all getting in white coats and uh there was a guy at the front, like some kid with jeans, like giving out Diet Pepsis and stuff. And I thought he was just working there. And then he stood up and he says, okay, guys, just to let you know why I invested in this company, uh you know, the reason that this could change the world. I'm like, so speaking to the guy, he says, who is this? And goes, oh, that's Luke Novak. He's one of the

• 1:07:16Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 1:07:17Speaker 03

  And he's like a billionaire. And I'm like, and everything he was talking about was all about the big goal, right? And what they were looking to achieve. And I remember coming away from that thinking, I'm thinking way too small about what's possible in education. And, and that's when I, I set that goal of uh entrepreneur curriculum. Can we reach a hundred million students? Once you start thinking like that, it's like, well, who else has done that? And so I met someone calm when he'd hit a hundred million.

• 1:07:42Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:42Speaker 03

  And he was sharing how he did it, what he did. Uh it, it is about saying, look, if I'm used to going, you know, um ten kilometers an hour on a bicycle, and someone else is going to a thousand kilometers an hour, could they have a rocket ship or, or a plane? What is it I need to learn from them?

• 1:07:57Peter Diamandis?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:07:57Speaker 03

  Because it's actually easier flying a plane than cycling a bike, right? Once you get it going. Um, and this is about basically understanding that these are paradigms or vehicles. Uh, and that was, that was my shifting turning point.

• 1:08:09Peter Diamandis?

  Nice.

• 1:08:09Speaker 03

  You already were talking about moonshots at that point. I was like, yeah, like this is what allows you to stretch your own thinking. Because as that saying goes, you know, if you think you can't, you can't. If you think you can, you can. Either way, you're right, right? So it's about what can you now do to shift to a different?

• 1:08:24Peter Diamandis?

  For sure.

• 1:08:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:25Peter Diamandis?

  How, how big is Genius U now?

• 1:08:27Speaker 03

  So we're now uh about to reach uh five million students. Uh we we've been growing by about fifty percent a year. So we we're on we're on track for that hundred million number.

• 1:08:35Peter Diamandis?

  Nice.

• 1:08:35Speaker 03

  Need to keep, you know, basically growing by fifty percent a year. By twenty thirty, we'll be at that number based on that. And and so it's like you said, it's not overnight. It's something which takes time, but but it's a journey itself of you getting there and knowing the solutions will change because the world is changing, right? Like we're now using AI faster than we thought we would because of what's happening with AI. Similarly, what we're now using more with the metaverse, you know, working directly in Vatom, because that's now growing. So what's so interesting about a moonshot? It's a little bit like a horizon where you don't worry about changing direction and not knowing where you're going. If you if you know your destination, you can use the wind, even if it's going the opposite direction to you. Sometimes that makes you go faster, you attack and you'll still get yourself to

• 1:09:18Speaker 03

  where you want to go to. But if you don't have that clarity of what the bigger goal is or what the bigger why is, you're going to constantly be seasick with all of the shifts that are happening.

• 1:09:28Peter Diamandis?

  It's it's so it's so true. And the challenge is, most people look at the successful entrepreneurs out there, and they think it's an overnight success, right? They don't know how hard people have had to work and the challenges and the failures until you dig in and you realize this was a massive commitment and it was achieved, the success was achieved on the back of a thousand failures along the way.

• 1:09:54Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:09:54Peter Diamandis?

  Um, you know, it's interesting. Um, one of the great stories I love is told by Bill Gross, who's the CEO of Idealab out of Pasadena. And he is a consummate entrepreneur. He runs this massive incubator venture studio, and he started hundreds of companies. And he did this, you can find it as a TED Talk and a DLD Talk by Bill Gross. And he talks about what was it that allowed some companies to succeed and other companies to fail? And he looked at, I think, a hundred companies that succeeded, a hundred companies that failed. And he said, he asked questions. He was curious. He began not knowing the answer, came in with with the curiosity mindset. And he said, was it?

• 1:10:40Peter Diamandis?

  You know, the experience of the entrepreneur, was it the amount of money they had? Was it the marketplace they were in? And when he looked at like a dozen variables, it finally came down to, I don't want to call it effectively luck, but it was how long the company was around? And it's timing to intercept an opportunity.

• 1:11:04Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:11:04Peter Diamandis?

  So if you're a company that's a flash in the pan, you've got to raise a lot of money or you fail. Versus a company that is able to generate revenue and succeed day by day by day, stay in the game. And intercept an opportunity. So listen, SpaceX exists because the space shuttle blew up. And there was a commercial launch contract that they won in two thousand eight, thereabouts. Airbnb and Uber exists because of the, you know, the two thousand eight financial crisis. And people needed additional revenue, right? Zoom exists because, you know, we had a pandemic. Everybody needed to have a capability for education.

• 1:11:47Peter Diamandis?

  And so if you can stay in the game and have a big vision, then you're able to intercept, you know, opportunity along the way.

• 1:11:56Speaker 03

  Absolutely. I think this goes back to what we've just been going through. You've been going right back to gratitude mindset, curiosity mindset. When people go, okay, so it's all fair and good that if you're on the right wave when things take off. But how do you actually position yourself to even be where that wave is, right? Because all those companies you mentioned, they already started by the time the wave came. And, and the, and the truth of it is, if you see people surfing wave, it's already too late to surf that wave. It's already come and gone. And too many people are holding on to the wave. Because they've been on the wave and now it's crashing and they're like, oh no, my business is changing. And my industry is changing. When you realize that, that all of these different individuals who, who, who, who got positioned, they didn't position for the wave, they might've thought the wave is coming. But they were doing it much more for who they were, right?

• 1:12:40Speaker 03

  So the first couple of mindsets are very much around self-awareness. And and the and the three elements that make up the trivia in the Renaissance learning is self-awareness, self-mastery, self-expression, uh, which is very different from calculation and memorization and what we call today, which is how to be about a computer. This is how to be about a human, right? So it's a whole base of humanism. And self-awareness, you know, one of the tools we use is uh the ikigai, right? Which is the Japanese concept of your.

• 1:13:03Peter Diamandis?

  Ikigai, yes.

• 1:13:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:05Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, I love that.

• 1:13:05Speaker 03

  It's a combination of four things, which is what you love, your passions, uh, what the world needs, which is your purpose, uh, what you're great at, which is your genius, uh, and also what you can get paid for. So you can actually like have a self-expression, whether it's an entrepreneur, whether it's a chef, whether it's a musician, right? And link these together, but thi- this is what we should be grateful for, like grateful for the fact we've got unique gifts. Like we're living in a world where we're being divided by our differences when we should be getting united to our uniqueness, right? That we're all actually at a place where we we can honor and be grateful for what we have that other people don't have and then connect with them based on that as well. So so we have, that's why we do all the tests on this to to to get to scale where people go, okay, now I know what kind of team I need. Now I know what I'm great at. Now I know what I shouldn't be doing.

• 1:13:47Speaker 03

  And that then leads into self-mastery, which is where these consciousness show up in terms of how to live through these consciousness. And then, of course, self-expression becomes easy because you're now doing it.

• 1:13:57Peter Diamandis?

  You're living your life.

• 1:13:58Speaker 03

  Absolutely, yeah.

• 1:13:59Peter Diamandis?

  You know, let's talk about what it takes to have a moonshot mindset. Um, because it's not obvious to everyone. And how do you create a moonshot mindset in your organization? And should everyone in your moonshot in your organization have a moonshot mindset? So this is definitively uh affected, impacted by who you hang out with.

• 1:14:22Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:14:22Peter Diamandis?

  So if you're hanging out with people who are constantly telling you, listen, your ideas are crazy. You're never gonna get there, you know? And you're just, they're just pounding on you for like, get a job, stop thinking you're Elon Musk, you know? Stop all of these things. It's just debilitating. On the other side, if you're hanging out with people who are dreaming big and are, you know, are equally looking for something, you know, a huge moonshot. If you look at, for example, the PayPal mafia, right? So there's a great book about the PayPal mafia. So all of these guys are thinking about reinventing the financial industry, right? This is Peter Thiel, this is Elon Musk, this is Reid Hoffman.

• 1:15:07Speaker 03

  And it is pretty amazing that Elon already had X.com way, way back there.

• 1:15:12Peter Diamandis?

  Yes, he did.

• 1:15:13Speaker 03

  Talking about exactly this.

• 1:15:14Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, and he's coming back to implement that early dream. But those guys lived in a moonshot mindset ecosystem.

• 1:15:23Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:15:24Peter Diamandis?

  And they played big with each other. And then when finally PayPal got sold to eBay, they all went their separate ways, but they all then went after their own moonshots.

• 1:15:36Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:15:37Peter Diamandis?

  And very much succeeded. So I think if you want to play in a moonshot, I mean, this is one of the things that I love about, you know, the Abundance360 community, everybody in there, to be part of it, you need to have defined your massive transformative purpose and have a moonshot that you're working at, you know, Genius U getting to 100 million students and the multitude of other moonshots that you have, Roger. And then you realize and you share learnings, you share experiences, you, when you realize that your dream is achievable, you just need to be asking the right questions, really driven by that passion, then when you hit a brick wall, you don't give up and you will

• 1:16:21Peter Diamandis?

  hit a multitude of brick walls. And whether or not you keep going or give up is definitively your mindset.

• 1:16:27Speaker 03

  What's interesting about this is the extent to which success can lead to a moonshot, or actually it's the opposite way around, this is a moonshot that leads to success. I think one of the Best examples of this frankly is the X price, right? The fact that you you start by saying what would be a moonshot within this particular cause or industry or or or challenge framing it. And then seeing what happens when people go, okay, well, then then I'm up for this challenge, right? And and then you've got all these different companies competing to achieve that same moonshot and they will learn from each other, right?

• 1:16:57Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, they do.

• 1:16:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, and and for sure, the key to all of that is defining the moonshot in the first place, right? And I really love the way that when you when you set up the X price and and how far it's come from that first one, which is going to space to all the ones that are now getting created, and how much everyone who comes in, there's not a single person that will regret the time and effort that comes into it because of everything they learn. And the fact that every one of those X prizes, right, with very few exceptions, does pull the whole industry forward.

• 1:17:25Peter Diamandis?

  I'll hit one last topic on moonshots, which is if you're running a company right now, one of the things that Astro Teller taught us was you don't want your entire organization being a moonshot organization. You know, if you've got a company that's successful and it's generating a good, you know, profitability, you want the core of your organization delivering your product and services and that that 10% margin and just doing it really well. What you want is on the side, you want a moonshot team. And that moonshot team is reporting directly into the CEO. It's led by someone who has the attributes of a a moonshot mindset.

• 1:18:11Peter Diamandis?

  And what you want is the people in the core organization really focused on delivering the product and service. You want the people in your on the edge of the organization focused on 10x. And you really want to say, listen, if you're in my moonshot group. And you're thinking 10%, you're fired. I don't want you thinking 10%. That's not your mission. Your mission is 1,000%. It's 10x. It's running experiments that are going to move the needle. And then ultimately, when you create something that's extraordinary inside the uh, moonshot organization on the edge, we're then going to bring that into the mothership to then operationalize it and, you know, give birth.

• 1:18:53Peter Diamandis?

  We're seeing this right now as, for example, Microsoft is, uh, you know, bringing, you know, all of the open AI capabilities into Microsoft Suite, you know, Word and so forth and Bing. Uh, so it's, it's fascinating. So where the moonshot thinking exists in your organization. And also, by the way, if you try inside of your company to have that moonshot organization resident inside the group, there's going to be an immediate immune reaction that will, that will squelch it. So when Steve Jobs created the Macintosh team, uh, he put it in a separate building with a pirate flag over it saying, you know, stay away.

• 1:19:35Peter Diamandis?

  And, you know, this is the proverbial Lockheed skunk works.

• 1:19:39Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:19:39Peter Diamandis?

  Right. A separate building, a separate team, reporting directly to the CEO with a mission to do something impossible.

• 1:19:45Speaker 03

  Hmm. Yep, yep. Yeah, I, I, I think there's an element to the, the fact that when, uh, when anything matures, right? Like it's always going to go through the different seasons and it's going to get to a point where, where, like you say, it needs to be able to deliver at a level where you've got, you know, the financial, uh, uh, growth of the company. And what we're talking about here is really the, the, the, the pain of something which becomes a big enough challenge that it needs to be solved at a huge level. I, I remember, um, a, a chat with, I think it's Terry Fidel, who was the, um, founder of, uh, Nest, the, um,

• 1:20:20Peter Diamandis?

  Tony Fidel.

• 1:20:20Speaker 03

  Tony Fidel, sorry, Tony Fidel. Tony, Tony's, uh, I don't know if he's still there now, but he brought his kids out to green school and he was out in Bali for a while. So we had our entrepreneur meetings there. So he came to one of the talks and I didn't know this, but before, uh, Nest, he was also on the iPod team, right?

• 1:20:34Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 1:20:34Speaker 03

  Working with Tony and, uh, sorry, working with Steve. And, uh, one of the questions to him was, look, you've been on two billion dollar products. Uh. What's the difference of a billion dollar product compared to a hundred million dollar product? And and he he said, look, I everything I learned about about that, the big, the big uh world changing difference came from Steve Jobs. And he says that what I learned from Steve Jobs is whereas most people, they think they've got a product, they think they've got a solution and they're ready to go. Steve Jobs would spend much, much, much, much, much longer on turning that problem into a world-sized problem. So that it so that it could then go out and make a much, much bigger challenge. He says, look, at the very first start, when they would think about the iPod, they said, what's the problem we're solving? It's like, well, the problem we're solving is Sony Walkman has got one C D.

• 1:21:19Speaker 03

  It gets scratched. If that was basically digital, then that would solve the problem. And Steve's like, that's not a big enough problem, right? Like, that's that's like, that that's not a painkiller uh that we're going to be delivering. That's like a vitamin, right? It's like, okay. So how do we turn to a painkiller? And he says they spent about six months just going deeper and deeper. No, the real problem uh is that you have more in your music library that you want to listen to at the same time. No, the real problem is that there's music all over the world that your friends are listening to that you don't know about, like. And so it just got bigger and bigger and bigger. And the endpoint was not just the iPod, but iTunes, the whole platform, the whole thing where basically you're now solving something for the world. Uh. And of course, you know, you can see that this is the genius of of Steve Jobs, right? That in the core of this idea that this is an opportunity versus this is an obligation.

• 1:22:02Speaker 03

  There's something about a moonshot, which isn't just how big it is, it's the level of commitment that other people want to put to that same thing. Because all talent today is looking for the right companies to work with where they think they're doing something meaningful. If you're not working on a moonshot, you don't get to that talent because that talent has gone off to work with someone who is.

• 1:22:20Peter Diamandis?

  Amazing.

• 1:22:20Speaker 03

  And so I think that that for me was a really big uh eye opener. It's if you want to get ten times bigger, think ten times more, go go ten times more in the microscope, ten times higher quality. Well, ten times better will make ten times bigger, right? So how quality will make quantity. Uh. And that's something which so many people miss out on because they're so busy rushing to try and get somewhere.

• 1:22:41Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:41Speaker 03

  Versus slowing down to speed up, right, and getting it right.

• 1:22:44Peter Diamandis?

  Speaking of of ten times, uh, let's talk next about the exponential mindset. You know, it's the core of Singularity University. It's also a lot of what you teach at Genius U. Uh. It's the core of Abundance three sixty. Uh, you know, an exponential mindset for me, I define as someone who realizes.

• 1:23:06Peter Diamandis?

  Uh, that we're not living in a linear world, that the speed of change is exponential and it's accelerating. Uh, the, you know, primordial example I give is a conversation I've had with Ray Kurzweil that says, in the next 10 years, we're gonna see as much change as we have in the past century.

• 1:23:26Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:23:27Peter Diamandis?

  Uh, which is amazing. Alright, uh, everybody listening, you double, you know, linear mindset's one, two, three, four, five, and exponential mindset is, uh, exponential growth, it's doubling, one, two, four, it's 1632. Uh, a quick reference to memorize, double something 10 times, it's a thousand times bigger, double it 20 times, it's a million times, double it 30 times, it's a billion fold. And our brain, 100 billion neurons, 100 trillion synaptic connections are wired for a linear world. Uh, but we're living in an exponential world. And this is where people get and companies get disrupted. Because they're thinking linearly, uh, and their competition is implementing and thinking exponentially.

• 1:24:12Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:24:13Peter Diamandis?

  Uh, do you have a definition that's different from that or adds to that?

• 1:24:16Speaker 03

  Uh, I can give you an example, because I think your definition is absolutely right, like the opposite of a exponential mindset is a, uh, what you could say is a linear mindset, but that is still assuming that things are gonna grow or stay the same. But some people, I think, have actually got, instead of a multiply mindset, they have a division mindset, which means they think things are getting less.

• 1:24:34Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:34Speaker 03

  And as long as you think that's where things are going, you're gonna hold on to what you've got and you get right back to the beginning, which is, whi- whi- which, which, which is, uh, the fear, fear of loss. Um, there's a little exercise which, which we did when we were running workshops around the world, uh, where we would have a group of maybe 500 people in the room and we basically would just play a little game where you get someone on to the, uh, on to the stage and I just basically do a little grid, like, you know, three by three grid. Uh, take a pen, put a zero in the middle, right? So of course they're like, okay, I'm gonna put an X, right? And then zero X. They're playing North and Crosses and no one wins, right? I said, okay, alright, well you obviously know how to play. Okay, so here's the game. Uh, everyone, you have one minute.

• 1:25:12Speaker 03

  Um, uh, choose uh your team uh like uh basically in that one minute uh you can each have four of these grids. Uh maximize your score, right? Boom, go. And then, and so everyone's off going and going. And at the end of the minute, uh, okay, how did one do? Um, uh, who ended up with zero, right? A lot of people like we got zero, like we just like zeroed out every time. Uh, some people are like, uh, we got five. Some people are like, we got ten. How did you get ten? You need, like, so, so then it's like, okay, so play it again. So we do it a second time. And of course, some people like, wait, hang on, if they got ten and I'm getting zero, what, what are they doing differently, right? And they say, oh, look at that. They're, they're actually helping each other to go XXX, OO, XXX. Okay, now they've got three. It's like, oh, they're not even trying to fight each other, right?

• 1:25:54Speaker 03

  They're trying to do this together. And it will get to a point where people, okay, now, uh, how much? If you got ten, you got twenty. You got a hun- how did you get a hundred? Like, how's that possible? Oh, you don't have two people in team. You've got eight people in your team, right? Oh, uh, uh, you're three, you're in three dimensions. So you're actually getting this way, this way. And at the end, they're getting thousands and thousands of points. And it's the same game. It's just that the rules we assume is that you're trying to stop the other person from getting three in a row and you're trying to get three versus maximizing score. And so there's an aspect of everything we just talked about before, in order to get exponential, you have to have a gratitude mindset, right? You, you've got to have a moonshot of some sort, which is going for something bigger. You've got to be curious enough to try it again and try it again and know that the first time you're doing it is just the first iteration.

• 1:26:36Speaker 03

  Uh, but if you start realizing that not only are we living in an exponential world where all the success comes from those who understand and are flowing through that. I mean, this is what Warren Buffett says, you know, the uh, uh, the, the greatest magic in investing is compound interest, right? This idea that things keep on accelerating. But for so many people, because they're still stuck in a zero sum game.

• 1:26:56Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 1:26:56Speaker 03

  They can't even think of how to get beyond that. And these are all the unwritten assumptions that we actually had that put us in that space.

• 1:27:04Peter Diamandis?

  And we'll, we'll talk about this uh when we get to an abundance mindset uh as well, which, which ties in. The challenge we have is the majority of the world lived in a linear situation that if you wanted to double revenues, you would have to double the number of people working and the number of plants. And of course, that's not the case anymore. In a digital world, where you can replicate a piece of software for zero marginal cost, and you can transmit a piece of software for zero marginal cost, things get very different very quickly. A few stories that I love is, you know, the story of Kodak. A guy named

• 1:27:48Peter Diamandis?

  Steven Sisson in 1975 invents the digital camera. And he walks into the board of Kodak with this thing about the size of a small toaster and goes, "Here it is, the future of Kodak. It takes point zero one megapixel images in black and white and records it on a tape drive." And of course, the board of Kodak is going, "That's insane." You know, we're in the paper and chemicals business. And of course, one of the challenges is you have to be careful of what business are you really in versus where do you make your profits today? So Kodak did make their profits on the printing the photographs, the paper and the chemicals for developing the film and so forth. But when you go back and read what

• 1:28:32Peter Diamandis?

  George Eastman, the founder of Kodak, he started the company in particular to preserve people's memories. And when this alternate technology of digital photography came along, which was much more aligned with his original intention and his own purpose, they missed it. And they were just in fear that this demonetization and this democratization would destroy the company. And a few decades later, Kodak goes bankrupt. And what's interesting is the same year that Kodak goes bankrupt, a company called Instagram is acquired by Facebook, now Meta, for a billion dollars and they had 13 employees.

• 1:29:18Peter Diamandis?

  And today, of course, it's a hundred billion dollars on Meta's balance sheet or more than that. And so this shift of mindset of thinking, okay, well, if we're going exponential and we're demonetizing things and democratizing things, our market is going to get massively bigger. And the other thing is where we make our money is going to change or the business model is going to change. So business models for me are Nirvana. I'm always looking for one of the most interesting and exciting and reinventing business models. And we're going to see a lot of that in this exponential world.

• 1:29:55Speaker 03

  We're seeing so many of it right now, right? I'd love to talk that yourself and Salim Ismail did recently on the fact that we're going to see billion dollar businesses having impacts to millions, if not billions of people, which could be three man or three woman companies, right? And this is because of this ability to leverage at scale now. And I think that one thing that definitely in my experience, you know, in terms of breaking out of that thinking that things need to be the same is is constantly be looking at back to the 10x that comes from the moonshot. Like if our company was doing 10 times or 100 times more, what would what would that mean for the company? Like, like where would the bottleneck be?

• 1:30:37Speaker 03

  What would be things that we can't be achieving because you guys are dealing with this many queries? And suddenly we're going to have like 100 times more. Okay, how can we look at this whole thing differently so that we actually are geared up for it? What are the ways that we could be attracting a lot more people out there that are then coming on board and and and being part of a bigger movement? Who could we partner up with that would already make us 100 times the size? These all these different elements, these things, ways of thinking about scale are very scary or even unbelievable to someone who's still at the point where it's like, I'm still just trying to figure out just how to make enough of my family, right?

• 1:31:08Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:08Speaker 03

  But when you're in the right environment with those areas where things are scaling and growing, which is where the world is going. And it's what I love about all the different. Areas of the singularity that you've built and the way that you've got, you know, all these different industries that themselves are huge, achieving moonshots and going exponential, and the learnings that happen across different disciplines, right? That's where the real learning comes in at the moment, I believe. I've learned so much by watching what's happening within the longevity movement or what's happening within, you know, not just education, but entertainment. And seeing just how much you can learn from what other people are figuring out within those areas, which did not be, used to be how things were, where university makes you specialize or schools make you specialize.

• 1:31:51Speaker 03

  And so you miss out on the mindset you can be learning versus just the knowledge.

• 1:31:55Peter Diamandis?

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• 1:32:38Peter Diamandis?

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• 1:33:22Peter Diamandis?

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• 1:34:03Peter Diamandis?

  It's a chance to really add decades on to our healthy lifespans. Go to fountainlife.com/peter. It's one of the most important things I can offer to you as one of my listeners. All right, let's go back to our episode. So let's talk about why an exponential mindset is important. I'll throw out the first, and I'd love your thoughts. Every business, company, industry is going to be disrupted and reinvented this decade. No company, no industry is going to survive the convergence of AI, robotics, AR, VR, blockchain, right? They're going to be reinvented.

• 1:34:46Peter Diamandis?

  And there's a constant force towards massive demonetization and democratization. And so you're either disrupting yourself, or someone else is. And so putting on this exponential mindset hat and saying, how will we disrupt ourselves? What will it take? How do we bring down our costs tenfold? How do we increase our market reach tenfold? And then a hundredfold, and a thousandfold? And how do we make stuff free? Right? I think is a trained inquiry that entrepreneurs need to be taking on.

• 1:35:25Peter Diamandis?

  Uh, or you're not going to survive. You agree with that?

• 1:35:28Speaker 03

  I I totally agree with that. And I and I think I think the moment you you look at exponential areas of our entire society and say they're going to be inevitable. And like this is where it gets really interesting, the whole difference of basically, or everyone trying to fight for a piece of the pie. Versus realizing we're in a bakery where you can just keep on baking more pies, right?

• 1:35:48Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:48Speaker 03

  So because of that, uh, look at something like um, electric cars, right? If you say, well, it's inevitable that you're actually going to have the cost of uh, solar power continuing to come down. That you're going to have the ability for batteries to be able to continue to become more efficient. It's inevitable that that eventually is going to be far better on the economics for there to be uh, uh, electric cars than than fossil cars. You can say the same thing about cryptocurrencies, right? And the idea that if you have basically instantaneous settlements and you also have the ability to have distributed trust. It's inevitable. Uh, take education. It's inevitable that education or content will eventually be free, right?

• 1:36:28Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 1:36:28Speaker 03

  It's already going that way.

• 1:36:29Peter Diamandis?

  And the best teachers will be AIs.

• 1:36:31Speaker 03

  Exactly right. So so so when you say, well, that's inevitable, it's just a matter of when. Then you can already be gearing up for being in the right place, right time. Uh, rather than later on going, well, that was a surprise because it wasn't a surprise, right? And and I think that's where uh, your your sixties are exactly about. Understanding and predicting where we're going to be seeing exponential growth. Because things actually become free of charge and they become fully decentralized.

• 1:36:56Peter Diamandis?

  Let me take a second and uh, and explain the sixties. Thank you for that. So uh, I wrote about this in uh, either abundance or bold. Uh, and the first D is that is digitization. We're digitizing everything. We're digitizing. Architecture, biology, manufacturing, everything is getting digitized and everything. And one of the things that as an entrepreneur you should be looking at is if you see something that's not yet digitized. Mark that as a massive opportunity. And when you make things ones and zeros, um, in the early days, it's slow and deceptive growth. The deceptive is your second D.

• 1:37:36Peter Diamandis?

  So that, that, uh, that first digital camera, the first year was point zero one megapixels, next year was point zero two and point zero four and point zero eight. And to the board of Kodak, it all looked like zero. It was a flat line and you know, you might not actually blame them for like laughing at this thing that is, you know, on a taped drive and, and, and black and white images. Um, but thirty day doubleings, doubleings later, it's a billion times better and film is gone. And so the third D is disruption. So digitize something, early days, it's deceptive. Same thing in, uh, in 3D printing. I remember the early 3D printing, how slow it was and how limited it was in the materials,

• 1:38:21Peter Diamandis?

  the plastics that were used. And now we're 3D printing at extraordinary rates across all kinds of colors and materials. And it's like amazing Nirvana 3D printing. The same thing in AI. AI is sixty years old. It was first conceived of at a conference in Dartmouth in nineteen fifty-six. And you had this slow, slow, slow progression. And now all of a sudden it's here and disrupting everything. So you're gonna see this over and over again. Um, and the fourth D is what I call dematerialization. And dematerialization is the things that used to be atoms and, uh, are now becoming bits. Right? So on your phone, the proverbial example is that we have thousands of dollars, millions

• 1:39:04Peter Diamandis?

  of dollars of free things that used to be, you know, a video camera used to be a thing, a collection of, of books and, and records, uh, two-way video conferencing equipment. It wasn't long ago that that would have cost you tens of thousands of dollars. And it's now free on, on FaceTime or, you know, free apps out there. So all of these things become fully dematerialized and they are ones and zeros. And when they become ones and zeros, the cost of replication is effectively zero and it's demonetized. And then because they can go everywhere, they're democratized. And so as an entrepreneur with an exponential mindset, you're looking at how do I digitize something to dematerialize it, demonetize it, democratize it?

• 1:39:46Peter Diamandis?

  And if you're a linear thinker, if you're an old school thinker, it scares the shit out of you. Right? Because it's, oh my God, my margin's gone, my business is gone. It's going to be gone. It's just a matter of, are you going to inherit the next iteration or someone else?

• 1:40:03Speaker 03

  Yes, I, I think it's super interesting as well because for, for many people, when they, when they hear about the six D's, it, it can, it can make you think, oh, does that mean everything's going to just be automated and free? And the reality is, a lot will be, but it also then transforms industry. So you take something like the travel industry and I, I remember like listening to you 10 years ago and thinking, hmm, this is gonna totally change the way that people are operating online because the money's gonna move, right? It's not gonna, like, it's true. No one goes and pays for a travel agent now to just basically book your flight, right? Because that all just happens automatically and it's much faster, it's much cheaper to just automatically, but that doesn't mean there aren't more people in the travel industry that just gone to the experience side, right? Now, they're the tour operators. Now, they're the ones that are actually creating, you know, even better hospitality

• 1:40:47Speaker 03

  and you're willing to pay more money for that than before. And education's the same thing, like the teachers, they're not the ones who are transactional saying, I'm just gonna teach you what's in the textbook. Because, you know, you can just basically get that from a video online much, much more effectively with kind of gamification. Uh, but someone that can guide you and personalize and make, and make it transformational for you, they're all going in that direction as well. So, so for sure, this is about not just saying, well, if the way I'm making money right now is gonna have to change because the whole industry is changing. That doesn't mean people aren't spending money, they're just spending it more on quality instead of quantity.

• 1:41:18Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:18Speaker 03

  Right? And, and, and that's a really important thing, how a business model is changing as a result of these so that you don't end up basically just being mad.

• 1:41:24Peter Diamandis?

  Again, going, coming back to business models, in Exponential Organizations 2.0, uh, that Slim and I released earlier this year, um, we talk about, uh, you know, the, uh, the concept of better than free and it, and it's the concepts that come from this, it's, it's personalization, right? To a large degree. And there's a whole slew of, of elements that, yes, it's free, but I'm gonna pay for added elements to it, uh, that take this freemium opportunity.

• 1:41:56Peter Diamandis?

  And and make it even more viable to me.

• 1:41:59Speaker 03

  Hmm. Yeah, just a just a quick story about this whole thing about shifting mindset and how all these mindset link with each other. I was in South Africa, this would have been about twenty sixteen, so a while back, and we were at a conference there. And at that point, South Africa, a lot of the entrepreneurs, business people were super negative about the country. They're like, you know, it's fine for you to come from overseas, talk about like, you know, opportunities elsewhere, but here in South Africa, not so easy. Politics makes it difficult, economy makes it difficult, our rand exchange rate makes it difficult. And I'm like, guys, this is all mindset. Like, this is, if you think this way, it's gonna be true, right?

• 1:42:33Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:34Speaker 03

  But you also happen to be on the seat of the fastest growing continent in the world, and has the highest density of entrepreneurs in the world, and you're talking in this way, right? And we had just gone on a safari like the weekend before in Kruger. And it was just incredible and the experience we had and we're talking about just the elements of like how nature works and how you can fit that into the idea of business. So I said on stage, I said, I'm gonna be investing into South Africa. Uh, and it just came to me in my head. It's like, we're gonna get a safari here, right? And everyone just gave a standing ovation, like, we're gonna bring money into the coun- country and everything like this. But I got off the stage and and my team were like, Roger, you know, you just said we're gonna buy a safari. And I'm like, yeah, we are. Like, I'm just committed to this place. We're gonna make it happen. They're like, how? I go, I have no idea how. We'll see.

• 1:43:15Speaker 03

  And then someone came up from the audience and said, are you serious about getting a uh a safari? And I'm like, sure I am. And he goes, well, because like my friend is one of the best real estate agents for safaris. I said, well, then let's book up a call where we can go and go through the whole thing. So we did. Because you do realize you can't get a mortgage for safari, you're gonna pay full cash for this thing, right? It's gonna cost you a lot of money. And I'm like, okay, well, we'll figure it out a way, right? But like, just book up where we can go see them. So the next trip I came back, we had a number of different ones we went to have a look at. And there was one absolutely beautiful one in a place called Middiqui Game Lodge, and I met up with the owners there. And I was looking at the price tag and I'm like, I don't know, like this thing was what, five million? And I'm like, uh, like, that means putting down five million cash. I said, but actually, I'm gonna basically make a commitment that we're gonna buy it. It's gonna give enough time for uncertainty become certainty, right?

• 1:44:00Peter Diamandis?

  Right.

• 1:44:00Speaker 03

  Okay, so two, two years, we'll do it and we'll do some vendor financing. And then from there, I then, on the next event we had, just said, hey, guys, who wants to be one of the investors here? We had some people who said, we could be interested, but we've got to see the numbers. We brought them all out to have a look at the place. And I said, hey, I tell you what, we're gonna run some conferences and events at, at a safari just like this to show that we can actually bring in the business. And if we do that, would you be willing to invest? And they said, well, yeah, prove you can do it for us. So we did it. We could see that we could make it work. They then basically said, the problem is that, you know, this whole thing could be taken away by the government if they want to. Uh, I'm like, all right, what's the way around this? And one of them said, well, have you thought of basically bringing all of your different resort ideas together into one? And on that weekend, they came up with the idea of us bringing it all together in one.

• 1:44:45Speaker 03

  But I went back to Johannesburg and someone says, hey, we could list the company and actually get us started to raise the money that you need to do this. So by twenty seventeen, we did an IPO of the whole company. We raised the funds. Uh, it, it, it allowed us to get the whole thing started. And then we saw what the real value is, is the fact that we're bringing entrepreneurs from different parts of the world. Um, that entrepreneur resource company now is part of our New York Stock Exchange Company. We're now spinning it off into a separate company and we've got licenses of people who currently run resorts and cafes that are now willing to pay to have a license for entrepreneur resorts to be building. And it's become this multimillion dollar business that all came from basically just this absolute commitment. We wanna help South Africa, right?

• 1:45:25Peter Diamandis?

  Absolutely love that. And by the way, I fully agree that Africa is a rising star, massive rising star. The, the youth, the, uh, the entrepreneurial energy there, the resources. Um, you know, uh, India, I think it's, you know, China's waning, India is rising and Africa's right behind it. So.

• 1:45:47Speaker 03

  That, that, there's this hungry energy, which is, which is really a core part of entrepreneurship, largely because for a lot of them, like, hey, I've got nothing to lose. So, and that is one of the biggest challenges of mindset. If you, if you think that you have something to lose, then you're never gonna take the steps, which don't even have to be risks, actually. But they're more about what you're willing to give up on in order to go on to the next step.

• 1:46:07Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah. And, and it's also just the, uh, uh, getting your mind into that creative space.

• 1:46:13Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:46:14Peter Diamandis?

  Of, it is possible, I don't know how yet, but I know I'm gonna solve it.

• 1:46:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:46:18Peter Diamandis?

  Now, Africa, just another example is, you know, it was. Not twenty years ago, twenty, twenty-five years ago, where, you know, it was like a seven-year waiting time to get a landline.

• 1:46:30Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:46:30Peter Diamandis?

  From the PTT, of course, and then boom, mobile explodes.

• 1:46:35Speaker 03

  That's right, yeah.

• 1:46:35Peter Diamandis?

  Huge opportunity. And we're gonna see, you know, these greenfield reinventions of industries. I'm waiting for eVTOL. You know, one of the biggest challenges with Africa is the road system, you know, from the, from the rains and so forth are awful. But let's skip building roads and, and fly through the air, right? It's coming not too far down. So on the exponential mindset, um, uh, you know, how do we cultivate it? Let's talk about that. I think one of the ways to cultivate it, again, is by who you hang out with.

• 1:47:09Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:47:09Peter Diamandis?

  Um, so, you know, one of the things I'm really focused on at Abundance360 and, and you are at Genius U is, uh, is pulling people together and showing example after example after example of how an exponential mindset reinvents this company, reinvents this industry, and get people to start to think about it. Um, I think it's, it's really, uh, forcing people, uh, to think about how would I digitize every aspect of my business and what does that mean? Do you have other means by which you might cultivate an exponential mindset?

• 1:47:47Speaker 03

  I think what's super interesting is this whole idea of how what you think might be big to someone else is small.

• 1:47:53Peter Diamandis?

  That, that whole conversation, uh, oh, and also, you know, what you were saying about Steve Jobs earlier.

• 1:47:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, uh, but also, uh, recently, like at, at the Abundance360, when you had Tony Robinson stage and he was talking about his moonshot about hundred billion meals, right?

• 1:48:07Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 1:48:07Speaker 03

  And, and where it started with a billion meals, in fact, it started a hundred million meals, and then, and then a billion. And when, when they were getting together, say, well, we would now achieve the billion meals, what's next? Ten billion? And and and he and he said, well, what would it look like if it had to be a hundred billion? Like, like, because you know how big an issue this is. And when they started thinking that way and thinking, well, we can't solve this the same way we've been solving it. So we're talking about a much, much bigger moonshot. But at the same time, if we're going to go down this route, who out there would be willing to sponsor a hundred million meals? Right? Like, there's people giving away in the Giving Pledge billions of dollars. And so, you know, connecting up with the with the Forbes Summit, like, you know, connecting up with the people that had the money and then bringing together the solutions, right?

• 1:48:49Speaker 03

  And working together with the guys out in India that figured out smarter ways to actually go to scale. Right? Working together with Feeding America, working together with with UNICEF. And where they already had models that they were already working at scale on as well. No question that scales scales are relative. So if you really care enough about something and you can see things going exponential, there already are people there who are thinking about the consequences of that. And it's usually not the government, right? It's usually the entrepreneurs at that level.

• 1:49:17Peter Diamandis?

  Probably the the most, you know, impressive exponential thinker I've met besides Ray Kurzweil is Elon. And he uses something called first principle thinking. So I remember I was at a lunch with him and the head of Fiat. And Elon was talking about the early days of Tesla. And when they went after the Roadster,

• 1:49:42Peter Diamandis?

  they assumed that the Lotus body would work and that the batteries would get better and better. And it turned out the Lotus body didn't work and the batteries that he planned had to be changed. And he was in so deep at that point financially that he couldn't go backwards. He had to go forwards. And so they had to reinvent everything as he's done over and over again. But The element of zero of first principle thinking is he went and calculated, what is the spot price of the cobalt and the lithium and the nickel that you would need to create these batteries?

• 1:50:24Peter Diamandis?

  Uh, if you were to buy those, those materials in bulk off of a particular exchange. Uh, and then what is the price today for the battery? And you realize it was a massive reduction that was possible. And so that gave him the, the faith that we could, that they could do that. The same thing in, uh, in SpaceX. Uh, when he went to Russia to go and buy a rocket and realized these guys were selling 50 year old ICBMs. They took the warhead off and they put, you know, your payload on. They were charging ridiculous amount of money and you throw the whole thing away. Uh, if we look back at first principle thinking, what if we could make a reusable engine that could be fired hundreds of times and reuse this thing? How low could we make the price?

• 1:51:08Peter Diamandis?

  And that gives you the confidence, um, to, to look at the exponential curves that will get you to the price point and the market size, the nirvana that you want.

• 1:51:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, exactly. And, and I think, I mean, you, you're absolutely right. Like the way he explains it and the way he thinks of everything from scratch, not just in terms of what the pricing is now, but what it could be in a year or two, based on technology and how that's changing as well. And really what that's all about is again, challenging current mindsets or current mind view, uh, uh, worldviews that people have had based on old structures and old systems. And I think that probably that's one of the biggest things in all of these mindsets is like we said, like we already got a mindset, but if you've got a mindset that's been taught to you or that's been drilled into you, which isn't serving you, you've got a question and saying, what am I actually believing? You know, a belief is simply a thought which comes with certainty, right? It's like, so am I really certain about that belief? Or is there an actual different way to do this?

• 1:52:04Speaker 03

  And we see all the biggest breakthroughs happen when someone has questioned, something shifted it and then people go, why didn't I think of that? Right? Like that, that, that's something that anyone could have thought of. But it comes down to basically quality, like you say, not of the answers, but of the questions that we're asking.

• 1:52:19Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, no, agreed. Um, an exponential mindset isn't easy. Uh, our brains are wired for linear, uh, thinking. All right. We evolved on the savannas of Africa a hundred thousand years ago and the world was very local and linear. Uh. It was local because nothing affected you that was not within a day's walk unless it was an asteroid strike on the planet. And nothing changed, you know, generation to generation, millennium to millennium. So our brains are wired in a linear fashion. Our brains are wired of I'm here and there's a lion here. Can I get to the tree before the lion gets to me? I mean, fundamentally.

• 1:52:58Peter Diamandis?

  Uh. And today, uh, we are continually surprised, disrupted, blown away by this exponential change. So even I tell people, listen, we're going to see a hundred years, a century worth of change in the next 10 years.

• 1:53:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:53:13Peter Diamandis?

  What does that look like?

• 1:53:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:53:14Peter Diamandis?

  And despite the fact that we'll talk about that. People have typically an inability to think beyond a linear extrapolation of today.

• 1:53:24Speaker 03

  Yes, yes.

• 1:53:25Peter Diamandis?

  Uh. And it's really tough.

• 1:53:28Speaker 03

  I, I, I think, uh, I mean, I, I love the, the whole story of the, um, of the rice and the chessboard.

• 1:53:35Peter Diamandis?

  Right? Yes.

• 1:53:36Speaker 03

  And that whole idea for anyone who hasn't heard it, that the inventor of the game of chess. So the power goes, uh, basically he went to the king of India, uh, and says, here's this great game I've made on chess. And the, the king goes, well, this is an amazing game, like, like, how much do you want for this? Like, you know, you name your price and he goes, well, just give me a, a grain of rice on the first square and then just double it on the second square. Once we're up to six, four squares, I'm good. And he's like, perfect, no problem, right? We'll give it to you, right? And then when you actually work out exactly how much that is in the first half of the chessboard is it doubles up, you end up with maybe a field.

• 1:54:09Peter Diamandis?

  It's 10,000, 10,000 kilograms of rice.

• 1:54:11Speaker 03

  That's right, that's right. But by the time you get to the second half of the chessboard and you keep on multiplying it, you end with basically a mountain of rice bigger than Mount Everest and more than ever rice has ever been created in all humankind. And so of course, when the emperor hears this, then he chops off the guy's head, right? But that whole, that whole story that, that's someone who understands multiplying.

• 1:54:28Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 1:54:29Speaker 03

  Um, and, and, and we, we do this as an exercise with, with entrepreneurs we're working with. If they really are in that exponential mindset where they're saying, I want to go for something much bigger. Let's say someone says, okay, I, I want to make an impact to a million people or I want to make a million dollars. We'll see where they're at right now. Maybe they're at 10, maybe they're 100. But say, okay, well, how many, how many more zeros do you need to add to this? Right? And it's super interesting because even the word zero, because like if you are at 100 or 1,000, let's say, and you wanted to get, you know, how many more zeros you need? You only need. Four more zeros and you're at a million, right? Like, so it's like, okay, so each of these is a paradigm shift, right? Okay, what does it look like when you're 10 times more? What's it look like when you're 10 times more? Okay, how long is it going to take you to take four steps? It's only four steps, right? Okay, maybe one year for each of those steps. And the word zero comes from Zephiro, which is basically a placeholder in

• 1:55:15Speaker 03

  in the Sufi system. And it was the, it was the Earl of Fibonacci, right? Earl of Pisa, who basically brought this into the numbering system in in the West. And Zephiro broke up into two things. It broke up into the placeholder zero, because before that, it wasn't in the numbering system. And it also broke into cipher, which is basically code. So, for example, if I go to Japan and I don't speak Japanese, I haven't decoded it, then all of it means nothing to me. But if I learn that language, suddenly it opens up a whole new world. And so each of these paradigms or mindset shift you to a different level, where that allows you to then go up, you know, another zero. It's nothing now, it's everything. Next one, nothing, now it's everything.

• 1:55:58Speaker 03

  And once you do that, it's like, wow, I've just got four steps to take, and I can get to that exponential growth. So if you're thinking, I've got to add, you're going to constantly add complexity, you're never going to get there. But if you're just simplifying and then multiplying simplicity, it's like, oh, we do this, that can multiply very quickly, then you can get much bigger, much faster, right? And that, to me, is what exponential thinking is all about.

• 1:56:18Peter Diamandis?

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• 1:57:03Peter Diamandis?

  increasing your health span. The other blog looks at exponential technologies, AI, 3D printing, synthetic biology, AR, VR, blockchain. These technologies are transforming what you, as an entrepreneur, can do. If this is the kind of news you want to learn about and shape your neural nets with, go to diamandis.com backslash blog and learn more. Now, back to the episode. All right, one of my favorite mindsets, so let's go to our next one, the abundance mindset. You know, I was, I came across the abundance idea that led me to then go write my first book with Steven Kotler and then launch the abundance conference. I was at Singularity University.

• 1:57:43Peter Diamandis?

  I remember I was with Ray Kurzweil and Neil Jacob Stein, who was heading our AI group. And we're having a conversation and the conversation went something like this.

• 1:57:57Peter Diamandis?

  Everything is becoming more abundant. Great, okay, interesting idea, but show it to me. And the realization was that technology was a force that turned scarcity into abundance. And we started talking about this over, over this lunch and it was like, my favorite example is, you know, we used to go and kill whales to get whale oil to light our nights. Then we ravaged mountains to get coal, then we drilled kilometers under the ground. And now we're, you know, living on a planet with 8,000 times more energy from, that hits the surface of the sun than we consume as a species. And now we're about to unlock fusion energy, right? So there's this massive abundance of energy.

• 1:58:42Peter Diamandis?

  And, and you said it slightly earlier, the, you know, I give two examples of an abundance mindset and how technology can unlock abundance. So, you know, I'm 5'4", if I have an orange tree in the backyard and I go and I reach for all the oranges I can reach. At some point, I've reached everything I can and oranges are now scarce. Until I invent a ladder that gives me higher reach, now oranges are abundant again.

• 1:59:11Peter Diamandis?

  The other example I give is if you have a, a pie that you've baked and you've got, you know, you expected four people over for dinner, but eight showed up. All of a sudden you gotta slice the pie into thinner and thinner slices. And abundance mindset is no, screw that, we're just gonna bake more pies. And so this is what technology enables us to do, right? Go from film photography, which is expended, expensive. Remember the days you used to like, hope you got that photograph and you'd pay for all of the photos to get printed and, and now you just take a thousand photographs and, you know, hopefully you got, you know, the one, you can see it right then and there. So.

• 1:59:47Peter Diamandis?

  I believe there is nothing truly, truly scarce, that you can flip everything into an abundance mindset. Um, I'll give one last piece and I'd love to hear your thoughts and it's the notion that the core wiring of our brain, our default thinking, right, that evolved again a hundred thousand years ago on the savannas of Africa was a scarcity mindset and a fear mindset because that's what saved our lives. Scarcity, you would hoard because you never knew where your next meal was coming from. Fear, because there was clear and present danger everywhere.

• 2:00:27Peter Diamandis?

  And so that mindset is we're always battling against that as our default mindset.

• 2:00:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:00:34Peter Diamandis?

  How do you define abundance in your mind?

• 2:00:37Speaker 03

  You, you're, I, I, I'm totally with you that abundance and lack, and, and, and lack is one of the most debilitating sense because then you're always feeling you have to hold on, right?

• 2:00:46Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 2:00:47Speaker 03

  Like, I, I've got to keep my piece of this pie. Uh, we, uh, have, um, one of the docu-series that, that I'm working on with, um, with Jeff Hayes and, and the, and the docu-series company that's now part of Genius Group, uh, is about the wealth gap.

• 2:01:00Peter Diamandis?

  Hmm.

• 2:01:00Speaker 03

  Uh, because, because I think a lot of people think of the wealth gap and the idea that some people are getting richer, like, as you say, a pie, right? Because if it's a pie and that person's getting richer, it means I must be getting poorer, right? Like, their, their money is coming from somewhere. And if, if instead of thinking about it like the pie where you've got this fixed thing and we realize just how much new money has been printed, we realize how much new creativity has come into the marketplace, like this is not a zero sum game. And you think about it a little bit more, like an actual race where you've got two people and they're running and one person figures out, you know what, I could actually build a bike, right? And then now they're cycling and then, and then because they figured out they didn't have to run and now they've built a bike, they go, well, actually I could build a car. Actually, I could build a rocket ship. And so now they're going so far ahead by the end of the race, the, the wealth gap is so high. Now,

• 2:01:45Speaker 03

  You don't have to kick this person off his rocket ship for this person to go faster. You're not gonna go faster, right? But there's nothing stopping you from also having a bike or also having a rocket ship, right? And and and you can learn from that and do that. And that, I think, is exactly like baking more pies. It's like it's like knowing that no one's necessarily taking something away unless it seriously is zero sum. That's that the government or someone has made it or or the education system makes only X number of people get an A. So then the only way you get one is someone doesn't get one. But those are manufactured games, right?

• 2:02:12Peter Diamandis?

  I I love this such an important. So this this wealth poor gap. Again, I just I wanna I wanna double down on this because I think it's an important conversation for everybody to understand. Because I do believe we're heading towards a world where we can meet the needs of every man, woman and child and create abundance. Not a world of luxury for everybody, but a world of possibility, a really important distinction. You know, for most of human history, it was the king and the queen on the hill. Right? The pharaoh, the emperor, whatever you want, and everyone else in squalor. And it was, you know, very little at the top and mass majority. Now we've moved people into middle class and so forth.

• 2:02:55Peter Diamandis?

  And yes, we're also in, you know, spreading the wealth gap, meaning people are getting wealthier at the top faster than the majority. But there's gonna be a point where there will be billionaires living on Mars. And everybody has access to all the food, water, energy, healthcare, you know, education that they want and need. And the wealth gap will be huge. But does it really matter if everybody's that's the base of this pyramid has been raised to a point of abundance for everybody? That's what I'm working for, right?

• 2:03:34Speaker 03

  It it's very interesting this because because everything you're sharing and even this whole idea of of this wealth gap, you know, being erased. Like, there'll be people listening to this who'll be like, look, that's that's fine to talk about, but. The game is rigged and I can't even get to pay, even with my business, even with my job, for what's needed based on the cost of living, right? No. Uh, it's super interesting because there has to be a systemic change, or, or at least in small groups, if not the whole nation. I was speaking, this was probably about um, uh, twenty, two thousand nine, two thousand ten, with a group in London. And this was at the time when there was these London riots that were taking place. Uh, and it was for very much the same reason that there's a lot of civil unrest in the US right now. Uh, just this sense of unfairness that, that, that the system is rigged.

• 2:04:18Speaker 03

  Uh, and they were all fighting, they were looting the stores. And, and they're actually saying, this is what's gonna happen with the singularity. Like, you know, when AI comes in and, and the super rich get even richer, uh, we're gonna have like a meltdown of society. And I said, well, it's kind of interesting because coming from Bali, where I was living at that time, and in Bali, there really is no poverty. Even though if you took the theory that if someone's under two dollars a day, then they're in poverty. Uh, in Bali, because everyone lives in banjars, which are groups of a hundred families, and they all look after each other. No one goes wanting, everyone gets to eat, right? If someone doesn't have a job, they'll look after them, no problem, until they find a job. In fact, the work job is basically the second job they have. The first job is the village job. And the village job is the fact they have festivals, uh, every week or second week.

• 2:05:03Speaker 03

  Uh, some are dancers, some are, uh, singers, uh, some are musicians. Uh, and everyone has a role to play which is meaningful. And so, and then the fact that they might make some money and that's part of it, that's not the biggest reason of why they're actually living in this society. And when people from outside come in and you realize, wow, like, I can't spend money in luxuries because no one's driving a Ferrari and no one's got a big house. Everyone's just loving the fact that they've got sunshine, they've got sea, they've got, uh, uh, paradise. And, uh, and if you've got extra time, uh, because why are you gonna make all that extra money? Uh, the real key thing is what's your job gonna be? Not a job in terms of paid production, because that means you're always gonna be out of a job. But paid self-expression, like, what is it that I want to do? I wanna work with my, my child at school. I want to learn a new, uh, mus- mu- mu- you know, musical instrument.

• 2:05:47Speaker 03

  I want to, uh, work in the fields. I wanna start a business. Like, whatever it is you want to do, you can do it, but it's because it's what's most meaningful for you. Not because it's what you need to do to make money and then retire. And I think that that's a whole reshaping. Where we're seeing this in groups in the US, right? Where groups are getting together and saying, let's just rethink what we're even trying to achieve here. And I think that's an absolutely necessary part of abundance. Yeah. Coming to terms with the fact that everything already is abundant. Um, I I'll share one extra piece on this.

• 2:06:16Peter Diamandis?

  Please.

• 2:06:16Speaker 03

  Really important, which is there's a huge difference of of peddling in lack of resources versus sharing abundant resources. So money, i- if I have a hundred bucks and I want to share a hundred bucks with you, I'm left with fifty bucks, right? So that's a scarce resource. Um, if I have an idea and I share an idea with you, it doesn't become half an idea, right? It grows in size. Um, if I have a connection and I make that connection and I and I share with you, hey, Peter, go speak with this guy, right? That doesn't make me I have half a connection, right? It's become a stronger connection both ways. Trust has grown, right? If I share responsibility, if I share power, all these things allow you to grow. And the people I see who are have abundance mindset, they choose to share abundant resources, which means the more they share them, the more they grow. Whereas

• 2:06:58Speaker 03

  those who have a zero sum mindset, they won't share anything because they think that anything they're sharing is gonna make them have less. And then they're focusing at scarce resources versus focusing on abundant resources.

• 2:07:08Peter Diamandis?

  Beautiful. Absolutely true. And I think about um, the friends of mine uh, who are I'm the closest with, they are entering every conversation giving first.

• 2:07:21Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:07:21Peter Diamandis?

  Mm hmm. Right? Uh, they are sharing, they're supporting, what can I do for you? Um, and they're coming with an abundance, an abundance mindset. Um, you know, the realization is exponential technology. I I had a, I was tweeting and texting with Elon and talking about abundance, which is a concept he talks about and he loves. Uh, and I said, when are we gonna have abundance? He goes, after AGI, right? So artificial general intelligence. And it's true, you know, the things we spend money on right now, the best physicians and the best teachers in the world will be AI, which is gonna be effectively free, right? Uh, when you have an autonomous electric car, the cost of transportation is a quarter

• 2:08:05Peter Diamandis?

  of what it is if you own a car. Um, you know, the things that we want, I mean, the ultimate, and there's a, there's a book called Zero Marginal Society by Jeremy Rifkin that talks about. Where are we going eventually in a post capitalist society? When I've got nanotechnology, right? And I can take a nanobot and make you one and you can drop it in the soil and say, make me an electric Ferrari. And what does it need? It needs energy and we're going to have a massive, squanderable abundance of energy. It needs information design while lots of open source design available. You know, information is becoming more and more free and it needs the raw materials.

• 2:08:45Peter Diamandis?

  And you might pay for some raw materials, but it's in tens of dollars, not, not tens of millions of dollars.

• 2:08:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:08:52Peter Diamandis?

  So, uh, this is a, a future coming our way. It's hard for people to see that.

• 2:08:57Speaker 03

  It's extremely hard, yeah.

• 2:08:58Peter Diamandis?

  We, we, we forget, uh, how we are creating abundance in our lives that we then take for granted. Right? Um, the, the ability to turn on the faucet and get water.

• 2:09:10Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 2:09:11Peter Diamandis?

  Versus go down to the creek for an hour to get water is buying you back an hour of time. The ability to, you know, it used to be if you wanted to do a research project, you, you'd go, you'd drive to the library, hope they had the book. Then go find the book. Now you just Google and a few seconds later you have, so we're buying back time.

• 2:09:32Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 2:09:32Peter Diamandis?

  Well, talk about a longevity mindset, which is for me, adding decades on to your life. And typically, you know, so I don't think there's anything truly scarce, right? Time is the most precious of them, but there are ways to buy back that time or to make time more efficient. Cause no matter who you are on the planet, the wealthiest person or the poorest person, we all only have 24 hours in a day.

• 2:09:58Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 2:09:59Peter Diamandis?

  Right? It's how you use your time.

• 2:10:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:10:01Peter Diamandis?

  That differentiates the wealthy and the less wealthy.

• 2:10:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:10:06Peter Diamandis?

  Um, so how do you get an abundance mindset? It's a tough one.

• 2:10:10Speaker 03

  It's a super tough one and, and a metaphor that I like to use because then people really get to see where they sit in this spectrum. Is the metaphor of the candle, right? Because, because candle has two parts, it has the wax and it has the flame. And, and really abundance mindset is realizing it costs a candle, nothing to light another candle, right? Like it's like nothing, and it can just keep on growing. But there's a zero sum part of the candle, which is the wax, right? So if, if you've got, I've only got this much wax. And okay, can I share my candle with anyone else? If you're in that wax, well, first of all, you can't see clearly, right? Because it's wax. But secondly, um, you're not going to want to give any of the wax to anyone else because you're going to end up with less. But if you realize that, as you say, the whole turning from material to immaterial, right? This whole idea that the whole point of the wax is to turn into flame. Uh, and this is why we talk about igniting your genius, right?

• 2:10:55Speaker 03

  That we've all got a genius inside that most of us aren't even aware of. We're taking for granted, right? But if we actually were to ignite it, and for what reason? To light others, right? And then you realize that was the whole point of the candle in the first place. The abundance is in the ability to be able to pass on the light to others. Um, the lack or the idea that I don't have enough is the idea that that I need to hold on to the wax, even at the expense of turning off the candle, right? Turning off the light so that I can actually hold on to more wax. And then, of course, you never get anywhere in life. There's a, there's a story which, um, for me really brings us home to the heart, because I think abundance is all about the heart as well. Um, and it's a story which came out in our library. We have a library at our resort in Bali and it's kind of one of these magic libraries where people come in, they donate their books and then.

• 2:11:39Speaker 03

  So I always finding new books in there. And there was one that someone had come from India. Uh, and I only ever saw this book once and then someone must have taken it. But there was a chapter in the book, which was a story of a raindrop. And the way the story goes is that, you know, one day it's raining and this raindrop for the first time is a raindrop. And it's kind of like falling out of the sky and it plops down onto a jetty, uh, going out to sea. And it's like, wow, this is cool. I'm a raindrop. This is amazing, right? And it's looking around all these other raindrops. Uh, and then as it looks around, it sees that there are other drops that never get to be a raindrop because they go past the jetty right into the sea, right? So suddenly it's like, uh, this is terrible, right? Like, like I may not be here forever, right? And so there's an aspect of this whole idea of abundance, which also comes with the fear of mortality, right?

• 2:12:23Speaker 03

  It's like, I've got to hold on to what I have because everything's transient. And so as it's like worried about this, it notices that the wind is picking up. And there are, there are drops which are blowing off the jetty into the sea. And it's like, oh, my God, if I don't hold on tight, I'm going to end up disappearing totally. And so it's now trying to hold on and trying to be small, which lots of us do. And as it's doing that, just trying to hold on, it notices that the sun's coming out and even the ones that are holding on are evaporating. So now it's like, oh, my God, like now what do I do? I either going to choose to actually jump and take the leap of faith or I've got to basically just stay here and I'm just going to evaporate anyway. And so then it's like, now I've got a big choice. What do I do? And it's thinking about it and thinks, well, Like, I know for sure I'm gonna evaporate here, but I don't actually know what happens if I go into sea.

• 2:13:07Speaker 03

  Like, I think I'm gonna disappear, but maybe I'm still a drop. I don't know. So it decides at the end it's gonna take the courage to just, just jump and go for it. So lifts itself up, the wind comes, picks it up, it flies off, it braces itself. And then the moment it hits the sea, it realizes it hasn't disappeared. And in fact, has become the whole ocean.

• 2:13:27Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 2:13:27Speaker 03

  Right? And, and, and this, this, like, pretty much every religion, every spiritual experience has got within this this sense of true abundance, right? That, that, that we're, that we're not a drop in the ocean, we're the whole ocean in a drop. Um, what every leader I know, everyone who's ever shaped this world has come in with that level of energy.

• 2:13:48Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 2:13:48Speaker 03

  And, and it's that energy of, of always having more to give, right? Because there's always more, which then makes the universe work through you, right? Because that is the key to all of this is the consciousness of being aware that the mindset which allows us to be able to really have an impact on others is only when we expand ourselves to the size that they are as well.

• 2:14:08Peter Diamandis?

  That's beautiful. You know, uh, I think a mission for entrepreneurs, I define entrepreneur as someone who finds a problem and solves it, right, ultimately. And so the more entrepreneurs, the more problems that are solved. I always think entrepreneurs are ultimately today, exponential entrepreneurs are about creating massive abundance in the world, right? If you look at the greatest entrepreneurs, um, you know, if whoever you might think of, Steve Jobs, uh, you know, when you have millions of dollars of free apps on your phone, it's a massive amount of abundance. And so the question is, where is there scarcity in your life?

• 2:14:50Peter Diamandis?

  Uh, where is there scarcity in your company, in your industry that you can turn into abundance? Someone is gonna do it. And if you can, there is massive opportunity. And it isn't about the idea of charging for that, but it's the business models that are wrapped around it. And so, you know, for me, I'm working, a lot of my energy right now, Roger, is in the healthcare space, you know, building Fountain Life. And how do I constantly demonetize and democratize? Right? So it's super expensive to have all of your upload, 150 gigabytes of data and imaging and so forth.

• 2:15:36Peter Diamandis?

  But my job is to leap ahead and figure out, how do we eventually provide that to everybody for free? Right? And what are the steps in the decadal decrease in price and increase in capability? And it's a challenge. It's going to take 10 years, but we're going to get there. And so I encourage entrepreneurs to be thinking about, how do you take something that's scarce? You know, the typical consulting business is one where you put your arms and barricades around a group of individuals and you meter them out a little bit at a time.

• 2:16:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:16:11Peter Diamandis?

  Right? By the hour, expensive, or a law firm, whatever the case might be. And of course, here comes AI that is going to disrupt that entire business. Right? It's going to become, you know, effectively the best legal advice, the best consulting advice is going to be your AI engine that you've built. So scarcity to abundance, it's really overcoming this core mindset that we have of fear and scarcity. And this, you know, we're heading towards a world, in a world of abundance, it's a world for me that's more peaceful, more loving, where every mother knows that her children have access to all the food, water, energy, healthcare, education that they need.

• 2:16:56Peter Diamandis?

  And that's really a world that I want to help create.

• 2:16:59Speaker 03

  Absolutely. I think, you know, there's no better truth than the one that says, you know, a man, you get to see the true measure of man when they have everything or when they have nothing. Right? And you know, and this, this whole aspect about, like, what does abundance look like? Sometimes it's almost the opposite. There's this kind of thought exercise, which is a very interesting one. Which is what would happen, given that, you know, we're all kind of like in this race of one form or another. Unless we somehow transcend it, what would happen if tomorrow we woke up and the entire monetary system of the world had collapsed and you couldn't use a dollar, you couldn't use a pound, you couldn't use anything. What would then happen, right? And it's super interesting. Because every time I've ever had that conversation with people.

• 2:17:41Speaker 03

  For some people, there's actually a level of relief, right? It's like, okay, that's good, I'm not chasing. But the second thing is no one thinks, oh, we might as well just pack our bags and die, right? It's like, no, we'd figure it out, right? We'd actually find ways that we had can trade value with each other, we'd look after each other. Uh, we'd, we'd bring everyone along the ride. And we realize how much we're kind of in a game at the moment. Which is the musical chairs game where they, where we think they're gonna get taken away. Um, where, where, what we would actually do if we actually were to be in a world where we were actually having to figure it out from scratch, like first principles. We would think differently about what we do today, right? Like, let's imagine that, like tomorrow, that this would be the case. And, and you knew that, uh, you know, someone had a, someone had a, uh, some, you know, some fruits that people go pick up to eat, right?

• 2:18:25Speaker 03

  Someone's got a truck which basically could go pick up the fruit. Okay, someone who's done really badly by people has got a truck and someone who's like everyone likes who's got a truck, who are you gonna go send for the fruit, right? It's the one that you trust more. Okay, well, if today there's things you can do to be more trusted tomorrow, what would you do? I call this person, I speak with, and you realize the behaviors that we ourselves would have to be better human beings. If we actually were living in a world of abundance where we're not having to chase each other for things. It would be a different world and the people already living in abundance, exactly as you said, they're already thinking in that way. We're not waiting for it to happen, but they're creating it through constantly giving. But giving the things that are of highest value. And I'll, I'll just share one thing about effective giving, because I think this is where a lot of people get it wrong. It's like I gave and it didn't come back.

• 2:19:09Speaker 03

  Well, it's like, if I went to a baseball game in, uh, in San Francisco. And, uh, everyone behind the pitcher were all having a glove. Cause they knew if the ball came back, they weren't, they weren't throwing the back of the pitch, right? Like, if they get the ball, that's it, or it's out. So, so being very aware that if you're on the, if you're playing the game and you're on the pitch and there's other people playing, even your opposition, they're gonna keep the ball in play, right? Cause that, that's how you play the game. You you you hit it to someone off the pitch, someone outside the line of trust, right? You're never gonna see that ball again, right? So it's really important to know there's a whole bunch more spectators than players in any game. And what's going on in the world today is very similar. There's a lot of people who will grab and not want to give back. But that's no reason not to play.

• 2:19:51Speaker 03

  That's no reason not to find out who is living this world of abundance and play with them, right? Because they're there and then you're gonna be able to win the game together.

• 2:19:58Peter Diamandis?

  You get to choose your community.

• 2:20:00Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:20:01Peter Diamandis?

  Choose it wisely. Um. Mindset number six, purpose driven mindset. Uh, one of my favorites, I think one of yours as well. Um, and I speak about a massive transformative purpose. It's the thing that wakes you up in the morning, keeps you going through the day. Uh, keeps you going through the night. It's it's giving, you know, uh, your uh, energy to your life. Uh, it's it's at the end of your life, looking back, did I live a purpose driven life? And it's one of the things for me, when I think about what I want from my kids most. Uh, it is one of the most important things. I want them to be good people, uh, good men.

• 2:20:43Peter Diamandis?

  I want them to live a life of purpose where they're uh, where they're self driven. Uh, to go and and create and uplift humanity. How do you think about a purpose driven mindset?

• 2:20:56Speaker 03

  I I find purpose driven super interesting because it is is the whole basis of everything I've done in my life is is what's the bigger purpose? And the biggest benefit, because when you're thinking about, okay, it's very clear, I think, to a lot of people that the opposite of abundance is lack. But what is the opposite of a purpose driven mindset? I personally feel it's an anxiety driven mindset, right? Like, because if you don't have a purpose or something you're driving for, then then everything's gonna feel like it could be better or everything's gonna feel like it's not quite right. Um, and anxiety comes from. It it it's kind of like, when should I start? How should I start? Bang. If a if a gun goes for the hundred meter race, you're running, right? Like you're just going, because you know why you're there and you're heading for it.

• 2:21:37Speaker 03

  And you don't let, you don't let yourself get anxious about what could be or how how you don't sweat the small stuff, right? Because you've got something much, much bigger. That you're focusing on. And everything is just either an obstacle or a lesson. That's all right. So so everything gets contextualized. You don't compare to other people because you think I'd like to be more than that, because that's not your purpose, right? Your purpose is this. So without having that purpose, which is that really clear direction of why you're here. You're constantly gonna, not just yourself, but your whole team is gonna get caught up in all the wrong stuff. Because you don't have that true north. So I think that has been the best. Now, that isn't how I myself got that purpose of mindset. And and I'm and I got attracted to what you do and how you do, because you have such a strong purpose of mindset. And then you attract all those people also that have the same thing as well.

• 2:22:21Speaker 03

  But for me, the the the the kind of like the siren call. That stopped me from doing what I was going to do, because I was studying to be an architect. I was at Cambridge University. I was thinking at that point. This is my life. I've got to get a profession. I'm gonna go get a job. I wanted to build buildings. So I I I love designing. So I thought that's what I was gonna do. But then I came across Buckminster Fuller. And I remember the first time I met you, I talked about this as well.

• 2:22:44Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 2:22:45Speaker 03

  He created the geodesic dome, so he is an architect, but he's also a futurist. I didn't I didn't never heard of a futurist before. And and he was talking at that point about the final exam. And he was like saying, like, all the world's challenges can be solved with technology, because they're all. Distribution challenges, right? When we say we have poverty, it isn't that we don't have lots of money. We've got plenty of money.

• 2:23:04Peter Diamandis?

  Or plenty of food or plenty of energy.

• 2:23:07Speaker 03

  Right? So so technology can solve these problems. And he was saying, even in the seventies, there was already enough technology to solve all the problems, but we weren't solving them. In fact, a lot of them were getting worse. And he said, that wasn't because of technology, that was because of human consciousness. It's our inability to work together to use this power. And he says, and this is not just an exam for humanity, it's the final exam, because technology will keep on accelerating. And without using the word singularity, he was pretty much saying there will come a point where judgment day will happen. And at that point, we either have accelerated our consciousness enough to harness technology and will know that, because we would have solved all the world's problems. But. If we fail the exam, it's because we didn't raise our consciousness and technology will destroy us.

• 2:23:46Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 2:23:46Speaker 03

  And I remember that when I heard that, I was like, holy cow, like. I I I can't be building business, uh, building buildings. I need to build consciousness, right? And and businesses is one of the best ways today to do that. But that shift and I and and me choosing that path was was sparked by someone who's very purpose driven, right? Like, uh, his whole life was about that purpose. Um, and and and I think all of us get impacted in some way where it becomes infectious. If you decide on something that becomes your must.

• 2:24:12Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, uh, let's talk about why a purpose driven mindset is so important. I'm gonna give a a couple of examples. First, in this world of increasing abundance, where, I mean, literally, the amount of deals, the amount of opportunities, the amount of amazing things, the amount of, you know, mental candy available. Um, if you're not clear about your purpose, your your time, your attention is split everywhere. Uh, if you're clear about your purpose, you're then able to grab a a piece of information, an opportunity, an individual. And if it aligns with your purpose, work together. And if not, you can say it's amazing, but put it aside, right?

• 2:24:56Peter Diamandis?

  So your purpose driven mindset allows you to, uh, properly select and focus in on the opportunities and challenges coming your way. Really important because the number of opportunities and challenges is just skyrocketing. Without a purpose, you'll, you know, you'll squander your attention, your time, your capabilities. So that's one important thing for me. Um, the second major, uh, reason for a purpose driven mindset is, uh, my experience is I hire for purpose. You know, if I'm looking at two individuals and I can detect someone who's really driven by a purpose.

• 2:25:38Peter Diamandis?

  I don't care where they went to school. I don't care what their experience is. If they're, if that's their mindset, their purpose, they're going to excel and exceed against everybody else. And so you can detect that.

• 2:25:50Speaker 03

  I I love what, uh, Jeff Bezos says that there's two types of of entrepreneurs. There are the missionaries and there's the mercenaries, right? And it's like, you know, missionaries are doing for the purpose, the mercenaries are doing it just for the money. And and he says, I only ever support the the missionaries, not only because working with purpose driven people is far more inspiring, but, uh, they're actually the ones that end up becoming more successful anyway. They're attracting others that are also more purpose driven.

• 2:26:13Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, for sure. Um, other reasons for a purpose driven mindset in your mind?

• 2:26:19Speaker 03

  I I I I'd like to go back to um you know, the thinking that I've been going through because I I love your mindset model so much. And and having models like you say, where there's business models, where there's role models, just gives so much context to where you're going. And I think one of the most important things is coming back to the idea of uh Pavlov's hierarchy of needs, where where when we started talking about the first couple of mindsets, it was very much about, okay, how do you just make sure the foundational things are happening? So you're not living in fear, living with no foundation, right? Because you've got gratitude, etc. Um the next level up from that, which is actually saying, okay, now that I've actually got the kind of like, you know, physical things that I need, uh I need the safety, right? And and that whole thing about knowing, okay, I don't have to worry about if I lose my job because I'm curious. I'm always going to find a way to add value, right?

• 2:27:03Speaker 03

  And then after that, you then have the whole connection side, which is the third aspect up. And the whole key there around, okay, well, if you actually have moonshots, you're going to bring the right people in. If you've got, you know, exponential thinking, you're going to attract all the right people through with you. And and that leads to the recognition part or the or or the self-esteem part. This final part is self-actualization, right? And and this whole thing about purpose, where you realize, okay, well, you can get to a certain level of success outwardly, but inwardly is the real key at the end. Like, like, passion can push you, but purpose will will pull you, right? And and and at times when you look at people, go, well, they're clearly not doing for the money. They've got plenty of money, right? But but they they keep on going. And and that's when you want them to keep on going. Because that's when they have the greatest impact in the world. It's because of the higher value of what it does to your own spirit

• 2:27:47Speaker 03

  by actually being driven by something greater that you can leave a legacy with.

• 2:27:50Peter Diamandis?

  You know, doing anything big and bold in the world is hard. And unless you've got that emotional why driving you, you're going to give up. I'm absolutely clear. I mean, I've always been a very purpose-driven. My purpose-driven mindset was around opening up space and around solving, you know, grand challenges, around supporting entrepreneurs, and now around health span and longevity. There were a few times in my life where I went after what I considered the equivalent of a get-rich-quick scheme, you know, and As I got into it and I realized it isn't quick and it's hard and then I don't give a shit about it.

• 2:28:29Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:28:29Peter Diamandis?

  And then I was like, okay, just drop that right here and right now.

• 2:28:33Speaker 03

  And often those, whatever those schemes are, whatever those projects are, they will attract the wrong people.

• 2:28:38Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:39Speaker 03

  And so as a result, they become zero sum. So even if you think you're gonna make the money, you end up losing even faster, right?

• 2:28:43Peter Diamandis?

  And so, and your time is your precious. So one of the things as well is when you're working on something that's purpose driven.

• 2:28:51Peter Diamandis?

  And you love it and it's calling to you, even at the end, if it doesn't succeed. You have learned so much, you've grown so much, you know, you've fed your heart and your mind and you have met amazing people on that same journey in life. Uh, so that it's been a win, even if the business doesn't succeed in that regard, really critically important. So I talk about a massive transformative purpose. And I define it, um, my massive transformative purpose today is to inspire and guide entrepreneurs. To create a hopeful, compelling and abundant future for humanity. So when I, you know, I teach at, at Abundance 360.

• 2:29:35Peter Diamandis?

  To define your MTP and I like to think about it as having someone you're serving. It comes very much back to Ikigai that you mentioned earlier. So who are you going to serve? For me, it's primarily serving entrepreneurs. Uh, how are you going to serve them? What is it that calls to you that you're good at? I love inspiring and guiding them, right? So the work with the X Prize is around saying, you know, inspiring them, this is the end goal. Guide them, you know, this is the direction to go. And then what is your end goal? What do you want to achieve? And for me, it's about, uh, you know, creating a hopeful, abundant, um, and compelling future for humanity.

• 2:30:15Peter Diamandis?

  So I define that, I say that every day, once or twice a day, sometimes more than that in the shower. And that. Clearly gives me the ability to select who I spend time with, what I spend time with.

• 2:30:28Speaker 03

  And what you say no to, right?

• 2:30:30Peter Diamandis?

  And what you say no to. You know, Martine Rothblatt has an incredible quote um that she shared. She said, the successful people in life say no to almost everything. The most successful people in life say no to everything. Right? And it's like, really hard.

• 2:30:45Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:30:46Peter Diamandis?

  Um, it's got to align with that MTP.

• 2:30:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, absolutely. And you know, it's it's really interesting. The if I if you if you don't mind, I wanted to just share this because we were talking about this here.

• 2:30:57Peter Diamandis?

  And we'll put this, we'll like, uh, if you don't know, uh, Roger is an incredible artist and his notebook is a work of art. There's like, you've heard of, you've heard of Leonardo da Vinci's notebooks? There's Roger Hamilton's notebooks too. And we'll put this image in the show notes.

• 2:31:15Speaker 03

  Actually, I've got, I've got the abundance, uh, when I've been at abundance. Uh, this goes all the way back.

• 2:31:19Peter Diamandis?

  Oh, my God.

• 2:31:20Speaker 03

  A decade, right? I've got the ones from a decade ago.

• 2:31:22Peter Diamandis?

  Oh, my God.

• 2:31:22Speaker 03

  Which is hilarious. In fact, this was, this is the kind of making the notes we were talking about for Genius U.

• 2:31:28Peter Diamandis?

  Right. Just hold it up to the camera for one second so people can see.

• 2:31:31Speaker 03

  This is one of the human longevity ones that we did at abundance, right? This was another one. This is a Monday three sixty, I think, ten years ago. When you talked about the sixties, right? So that was on here as well.

• 2:31:39Peter Diamandis?

  Wow.

• 2:31:39Speaker 03

  But I I wanted to share this because um.

• 2:31:42Peter Diamandis?

  I I'm I'm honored. Yeah. So you you you made this when on the flight over?

• 2:31:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was on the flight over and I was thinking, you know, there's something around uh how mindsets and if we link mindsets to consciousness, because it is, it is about just shifting where you think it's.

• 2:31:57Peter Diamandis?

  Totally.

• 2:31:58Speaker 03

  It it's actually the opposite of knowledge, right? Because as they say, you know, the more he knows, the more he thinks he knows versus the amount of wisdom, the more he knows, the more he knows how much he's done. Right? So there's an aspect to all of this, which is, like we say, it's it's not, it's it's not what you're thinking about, it's what not to think about, right? And it's it's like, this is the right, like, I'm gonna delete those. Those were old habits, old beliefs compared to where we are now. What's super interesting, I I think a lot of people don't know this, when they look at a rainbow um is the colors of the rainbow were actually defined by Isaac Newton, right? Like before he wrote Principia, he wrote a book called Optics. And uh, of course, you look at a rainbow, it's got infinity number of colors in it, but. Uh. He knew enough about kind of like the the levels of consciousness from Egypt, from India, that he said, okay, I'm gonna use basically the seven chakra colors as basically the seven colors in a rainbow.

• 2:32:44Speaker 03

  Now, what's really interesting is that the like a lot of people don't realize this, and I'm half Chinese, my mom's side, and I'm half Scottish, so I always link the eastern philosophies with the west.

• 2:32:53Peter Diamandis?

  Beautiful.

• 2:32:53Speaker 03

  But one thing super interesting that I think a lot of people don't realize when they're doing yoga or they're thinking about chakra energies is that we're talking about consciousness levels that they basically went and said, there's a hierarchy to understanding consciousness, which links the Pavlov, which links to basically the way we think. And just to go through it very briefly, so that we can see how this fits together. Um. When we go to school, we're actually learning some of the lowest levels of consciousness. So we've created, and I wrote a book about this, um, called Million Miles Time. Uh, that there's seven levels starting from red to violet, but below red is infrared and above violet is ultraviolet. So you've really got nine levels. And the very beginning bit, which is the victim mindset, which is basically like the one that's infrared. It's the one where it's like the whole world is happening to me and I have no power over anything, right? And that's the mindset. And a lot of people get that mindset. In fact, when we're kids,

• 2:33:38Speaker 03

  we're kind of taught that's what we need to be like, which is why we need our parents. Uh, to to move from that mindset to the next one, which is red level, which is survivor, having just enough to have nothing, right? Like a lot of people go for the whole life, even big paying jobs. Where their self-worth is such that they'll just spend everything they've got and they'll basically just lose everything they've got. And they'll always end up back in the same place. And the number of entrepreneurs I work with who are trying to grow big businesses, but they haven't solved their own issues yet, which are about their own mindset, about self-worth and about how how how money and resources are flowing through themselves. This is where basically if they don't turn on gratitude mindset, they can never grow. Because they're always gonna think they're not good enough, right? This is just the reality of it. Um. So that's why.

• 2:34:16Peter Diamandis?

  And they'll self-sabotage.

• 2:34:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's right. And I see so many people self-sabotaging themselves. And they're like, holy cow, if if I just got more grateful, I would actually keep more and attract more than what I'm doing right now.

• 2:34:26Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 2:34:27Speaker 03

  Uh, and it wouldn't be such a bind, right? Um. The one above that, which is the orange level, which is the worker, is the one that goes, you know what? I can be positive, but not by just going out playing. I gotta actually earn the right by being in a team and showing I can show up and like being in the football team without having to do one holding the ball the whole time. And that worker mindset, like my dad. Uh. He got his self-worth um when he was in the police force in Hong Kong by basically working hard. Like we'd get to a um uh we'd get to a a weekend like and I'd come back from school and he'd be he'd be like had such a good week. He'd be sitting on the balcony with his beer. And I go, what happened, Dad? And he'd be like, I just worked so hard. I was like, yeah, yeah, but what happened? He's like, I just worked so hard. And someone at that level, by the way, if their self-worth

• 2:35:08Speaker 03

  is linked to hard work, they'll hate the fact that the government is paying someone, you know, social security for not working, right? Right. Yeah. So it's like, that's not fair. So and and they'll also look at the people above who aren't working so hard, have got their own business to go, they must be cheating. They're doing something. So so this is orange level. And the reason this is important is orange level basically is like, you know, you're going from root chakra, uh you're going to, and I put it all in here so you can look at it here. Love it. You're going to sacral. And this is where basically someone who's like, if I don't have a growth mindset, gratitude mindset to growth, I can never go beyond that. So people who are working hard their whole life, who go, there's no way I can learn anything new to go start my own business or go do my own thing, they'll listen to some of what we're talking about here and go find for them to talk about, you know, moonshot mindset, but I'm just trying to get to the end of the month and get my

• 2:35:49Speaker 03

  pay. But when you go, oh, if I was curious, how does someone who's younger than me, uh who is uh not as hardworking, who's not as lucky, uh who who's not as skilled, and they're making ten times more than me, how are they doing that, right? And there's always a way, right? And then going from those three, which we call the foundation prism, because they're all about your own personal um uh self-awareness on yourself, you then go to the next three, we call the enterprise prism, which is frankly, the entire way that the eleven trillion dollars a day that changes hands all operate in the economic system. And that's the player who is the one who is one person doing more things, which we've all had experiences of in a startup, the green level, which is now hard. So Will is like, I will do things. They'll have a big to-do list. Right. So when you say something like, look, at the end, success is what you say no to, they don't

• 2:36:33Speaker 03

  have a not-to-do list, right? They've just got a to-do list. So it's like, I've got to do all these things and it's and it's bearing down on me. Well, that changes if you have a moonshot mindset, because once a moonshot mindset, other people are going to come and help you do that moonshot. Like, that's the whole kind of like learned uh learned competence side. And then above that green level, which is hard now, and and these, by the way, all show up across any uh knowledge that You look at in terms of true wisdom, there's a, there's a great book by Stephen Covey. Uh, most people have heard of the seven habits.

• 2:37:00Peter Diamandis?

  Sure.

• 2:37:00Speaker 03

  The seven habits are all about how you go from yellow level, one person doing more things to green level, all people doing one, uh, uh, uh, doing one thing. It's like, how do I become part of an orchestra as now a performer, not a player. So player goes worker, player, performer. And going from yellow to green is where then you can now go exponential, right? Uh, because you've got the abundance mindset, other people are coming in to connect with you. You can grow exponential because you have a team where you've earned the right to be.

• 2:37:24Peter Diamandis?

  And, and exactly, you're sharing, you're working, you're not hoarding.

• 2:37:28Speaker 03

  Exactly right, exactly right. And after that book, um, Stephen Covey and his son, we've worked with a lot, also called Stephen Covey. Um, and he, he wrote a book called the speed of trust, which is really the currency we're all.

• 2:37:38Peter Diamandis?

  Yes, trust.

• 2:37:40Speaker 03

  And that, and he talked about the eighth discipline, right? Which is your voice. And this is where the abundance side comes in. The leaders of tomorrow are the ones that are coming from abundance. But those three, if you do that right, then you, you, you've mastered the enterprise prism where you can start a business. You can build trust, you can add value. But the final three, we call the alchemy prism is where, like, asking question, why is purpose driven so important? These final three are not the people in the audience watching. They're not like the, the, the, the spectators. Uh, they're not the players, the performers, or the conductors. The conductors are the ones that basically are at the blue level. That don't have to pick up an instrument, but they make all the music. Um, once you understand that, and that's where investors sit, right? An investor, if they see you're not doing a good job as CEO, they're not going to come in.

• 2:38:24Speaker 03

  And basically try and be the CEO, right? They're going to find another CEO, just like, you know, a conductor who sees a violin, uh, is off key, isn't going to come in and try. And basically play the violin, they'll just get another violinist or a different violin. But the key thing above that is you then have the three that made the music possible. You have the trustee. Uh, so we're seeing in the world today, uh, all these different people who can move mountains just through their trust, right? Like Warren Buffett, people will pay millions just to have lunch with him. Richard Branson, that people pay millions to use the Virgin brand. People now, you have trust within the exponential community. Oh, if Peter's behind that, he's supporting that, right? Then I want to be a part of that as well because people trust him and this is where the trust is so important. Trustee in a theater is the one who actually allows the theater to happen.

• 2:39:09Speaker 03

  And the problem is too many of the trustees have been our politicians. Or people who basically are saying, trust me and we don't trust them anymore. And then, and this is why it's so important because if you're not purpose driven, you're never going to build the trust at that level. And then one above that, which is basically where we get to the third eye. This is basically now where we're getting to, where we're about to get to with longevity. This is where you're going to the composer level and composer is the one that makes the music. So when we talk about something like poverty, poverty is just a bad composition, right? Like, like, like I said, like in Bali, it's a different composition. So people don't feel poor. Whereas we are all living in music that's gone off key. And we're wondering why it sounds so bad when we're trying to play it, right? But that's what's happening right now today and the notes just happen to be banknotes, right?

• 2:39:52Speaker 03

  But it's the same thing. It's the fact that we basically are all trying to make music, which isn't in harmony. And everything we're talking about, mindset allows us to reharmonize. And then the final one, legend is ultraviolet. That's basically where a legend on the map is a symbol, right? When Steve Jobs leaves us, he leaves behind a symbol on the map, which is one about quality and technology, right? When Nelson Mandela leaves, he leaves a symbol which means something quite different. And, and that's when this energy can really go way beyond ourselves in our lifetime as well. So I, I think one thing really important is that these mindsets are more important now than ever, but they're all linked to ancient truths and they're all linked to basically the man's search for meaning and man's search for wisdom that goes back thousands of years, right?

• 2:40:36Speaker 03

  And so I wanted to share that because I think it's so important that people realize this is not just a nice to have, but it's like a must have if someone wants to be raising their consciousness.

• 2:40:43Peter Diamandis?

  I, I love this so much and I want to remind everybody listening, the mindset that you have.

• 2:40:51Peter Diamandis?

  Was inherited someplace. Where did you get it? What mindset do you have and what mindset do you need? And how do you shift your mindset? These mindsets can be honed, they can be created, they can be amplified, they can be shaped. It's not overnight, it takes time. Our mission here is to give you the hints to start to think about this. It's a little bit every day. Our brains are neural nets, just like Google's machine learning, deep neural nets are, you know, and it's example after example after example. It's living and breathing with the right people. It's reading things that amplify that mindset. It's seeing examples over and over again.

• 2:41:33Peter Diamandis?

  And it is really the most fundamental, you know, thing that we can learn. I, you know, I criticize our educational system today. You know, my son in fifth grade was like learning the state capitals. And I'm like, you don't need to know the state capitals. You know, that's why God created Google, right? You know, but understanding mindsets and how to hone them and which mindsets to choose is far, far, far more important.

• 2:42:05Speaker 03

  Even, I think so many of us, because when you're, when you're the boiling frog, you don't even realize the damage that the wrong mindset is doing. I didn't realize this with the education system when, when at Green School, which was set up by Jonathan Santi Hadi, when they wanted to homeschool their kids. They basically thought, you know, there's no better place than Bali for like a beautiful place that you could be learning about changing the world, right, through the environment. So they created Green School. If you look it up online, you'll see the most beautiful like cathedral of bamboo for, for school. And, and to give you an example of just the shift of going from a scarcity or a dependency mindset to an abundance or resourceful mindset, take something like art, right?

• 2:42:48Speaker 03

  When we set up the art class there, we said, you know what? Art actually already is, is, is teaching dependency because why? When you start the art class, you start with the kids going, okay, kids, here's some paper. Here's some paints. Now let's paint something. Well, of course, they're going to think they can't paint anything if they don't have the paper and the paints, which is like going out and think, I can't, I can't get money unless I have a job. As opposed to what happened at Green School where he said, okay, paper, let's talk about paper. Where can you make paper from? Or did you know that cows actually, uh, you can use the cow dung to make paper? Let's go make it, right? Uh, paints, okay, purple. Did you know you can make that from eggplant? Well, let's go make it. And so the kids.

• 2:43:24Peter Diamandis?

  All of a sudden, it's all abundant, it's everywhere.

• 2:43:27Speaker 03

  And, and they, they don't start the art by basically just having equipment that someone paid for. They start the art by creating the equipment, creating the palette.

• 2:43:35Peter Diamandis?

  Right.

• 2:43:35Speaker 03

  Of course, that's what entrepreneurs do as well. And you think, my gosh, that's not taught at school at all, right? Or even worse, like everything we've been talking about, which is get with the right people, copy from them. We know at school that's called cheating, right? So it's just understanding how much that we are all being coded often by absolutely the right, the wrong values and wrong beliefs. And then we then wonder why it takes so long when we get out there to have to unlearn these things, right?

• 2:43:59Peter Diamandis?

  Uh, I'll close out our purpose-driven mindset with the realization that, again, I'll say this, uh, doing anything big and bold in the world as an entrepreneur, uh,

• 2:44:12Peter Diamandis?

  you know, taking a moonshot is going to take a decade. Uh, it's not easy and you need to have that emotional juice. We're emotional beings. I think of your massive transformative purpose as a canvas, talking about art and moon, you know, that thi- this is what I care about. This is what emotionally drives me, opening up space or reinventing education or reinventing healthcare. And then a moonshot is, um, a target on that canvas that I'm going to achieve A, B, and C by X, Y, and Z. This is what I'm going for. This is the shot I'm calling. Right? Without a target, you'll miss it every time. But it's got to come back to that emotional, emotional driver

• 2:44:55Peter Diamandis?

  um, that, uh, is fulfilling, that gives you a purpose in life and that attracts amazing people to you. When you have a strong MTP and you're, you're proud of sharing it, right? If you, if you've developed your massive transformative purpose and, um, I have blogs on this and, uh, you can go to mymoonshotplanner.com, which is an AI engine that will help you develop your MTP and develop your moonshot for free. When you have your, your massive transformative purpose.

• 2:45:28Peter Diamandis?

  Um. If you're not sharing it with the world.

• 2:45:31Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 2:45:32Peter Diamandis?

  Uh, then there's something wrong. Either you need something you're willing to share. And when you do share your MTP at cocktail parties, on stage, in what you write, and people know who you are, what you stand for, where you're focusing. It's the universe is then going to bring those people to you, right? My friend Roger is going to say, oh, you've got to meet this person over here. Right? Or have you seen this uh, this business over here? It's incredibly powerful as a magnet to bring amazing opportunities and people into your life.

• 2:46:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, you know, I, I, I'm going for my own uh, realizations as well, how easy it is. Um, as you go through the hero's journey, right? Where basically you go through the road of trials and things get thrown in your way. Um, talking about like MTP and just constantly reminding yourself of it. Uh, when I mentioned earlier about the fine exam and Bucky, right back then, long before I knew you and long before I'd heard about the concept of singularity. Um, he was already talking about not just here's the problem, which is we've got to increase consciousness, but but here's a solution, right? And, and he said the solution is that we need to play what he called the world game, right? And, and, and what is the world game? Well, in theory, it's something where everyone can have fun. Everyone can basically make an impact together.

• 2:46:45Speaker 03

  Uh, but he died before he created it. And it was um, just earlier this year. After we did our IPO on your stock exchange last year and for the whole last year, all I've been doing is trying to kind of basically battle with Wall Street traders and trying to, you know, solve all the challenges of having a public company as I've been mentioning to you. I, I've been saying I've been suffering from P I S S, post IPO stress syndrome.

• 2:47:11Speaker 03

  But then as it was happening, it was like, oh, my God, we could be twenty four months, probably not more than forty eight months away from singularity right now. Like, like, we're only talking two to four years. And everything that I set up of my life to basically be able to. Hope, raise consciousness and whatever small way I can with our group, like time's gonna be up, like this is it now, right?

• 2:47:32Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, we're in the, we're in the ninety ninth level of the game.

• 2:47:34Speaker 03

  Absolutely right. So then it's like holy, like now's the time. So I'm gonna get on this now. So we had a session last week, um, where we launched a world game and, and this is our way of playing with all of our five million students around the world. And what will be ten million fairly soon. And where basically everyone who's coming on board, we've got cities, we've got countries. We've got leaders in these cities and countries. Uh, we've got a goal of a hundred million uh, in income and a hundred million in impact to show that it's possible to, you know, do good and do well at the same time. Um, and, and working together with Tony and his, is, his hundred, uh, and we're gonna be doing a hundred million meals as impacts as part of this too. And I can tell you the, the shift in two things. Number one, my energy.

• 2:48:11Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 2:48:11Speaker 03

  Of actually going, okay, everything else is small stuff, right? Because it is about like basically reminding yourself why you're here. And number two, the amount of attraction, like this next week, I've just got full of all these different meetings with people who go, I'm gonna come play.

• 2:48:24Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 2:48:24Speaker 03

  Right? And so I, I would definitely say this for everyone as well. Like you say, not just what mindset you have, but what game are you playing? Like, because it all comes down to.

• 2:48:32Peter Diamandis?

  Absolutely. What game are you playing?

• 2:48:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:48:34Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, for sure. Uh, let's, let's, uh, wrap up here with the game of longevity. So, uh, we are all on this planet, uh, born at an incredible time to be alive. And, uh, for me, I wanna see as much of it as I can. Um, and I'm out there building businesses, proselytizing and speaking about a longevity mindset. And I define a longevity mindset as, uh, someone who understands that we're in the midst of a healthcare revolution. Uh, that we are going to be extending the healthy human lifespan by decades.

• 2:49:19Peter Diamandis?

  Uh, why? Because of AI, quantum technologies, biotechnology, capital flowing in. I remember when I was in medical school, uh, I remember reading about and then seeing a TV show on long live sea life. That certain species of whales, bowhead whales could live two hundred years, then Greenland sharks could live five hundred years and could have babies at two hundred years old. And I'm like, wow, if they can do that, why can't I? And I said, it's either a hardware problem or a software problem. And this is the decade where we start to solve those problems. And.

• 2:49:55Peter Diamandis?

  The question is, if you believe that these breakthroughs are coming, this idea that Ray Kurzweil talks about longevity, escape velocity, there's going to be a moment in time where that for every year you're alive, science is extending your life for more than a year. If that's coming, like Ray believes in 10 to 12 years, or George Church or David Sinclair in the next 15 years, then if you believe that, then your mission should be, if you love life and you want to see more of it, should be to stay in the greatest health you can for the next 15 years to intercept those technologies coming our way. And for me, that's a longevity mindset.

• 2:50:38Peter Diamandis?

  It's this level of belief that we can create longevity. We can extend the healthy human lifespan. You may have a different definition of longevity mindset. How do you define it?

• 2:50:51Speaker 03

  Well, I, I, I'll tell a story, first of all, which really impacted me when it comes to those who think about time on larger time scales, right? Because that is a large part of what this is. And I, I've seen this again and again, when you look, I, I remember seeing a quote, if you go to the apartheid museum in Johannesburg, there's a quote which is on the wall from Nelson Mandela, from I believe it's like the 1950s or maybe early 60s, where he says, I will be the first South African black president. Right? Like this is when apartheid was at. It's by far worse that he actually had that vision to know that he had to do this because, and this was before he got basically put in jail, especially all that, right? And he was just like, no, I'm in this for the long term, right? So there's something about that long term. We know this with Elon, where he's talking about,

• 2:51:35Speaker 03

  you know, basically how, how little time we have in the, in the, you know, tens of millions of years, right? And, and, and even like someone like Masashi San, when he talks about singularity and basically, look, this is, you know, he's got his 300 year plan. I was in Japan. And so we uh we heard from a mentor who was working quite a few of the wealthiest people in Japan there. And he had this whole presentation where he says, look, you guys in the West are totally obsessed with size. How big you can get, how quick you can get there. Here in Japan, we think about something quite different, which is how long you can last.

• 2:52:06Peter Diamandis?

  Sting power.

• 2:52:06Speaker 03

  We've got thousand year companies here. He says, did you know that Japan is one of the few countries, if not the country in the world, that has preserved its monuments the most? Like you go to most European cities and all the monuments are in stone and they were basically eroding. Uh you won't find that in Japan. Why? Because we wanted our monuments to last the longest, so we built them from wood. Because if they're built from wood, we will keep replacing the pieces. And it will always be brand new, but it will still be there a thousand years in the future, right? So there's something about longevity and the way you think about how not do I get a thousand times bigger? But how do I last a thousand times longer? He showed us actual slides of the number of um uh Japanese uh um companies that were a thousand year old companies as well.

• 2:52:48Speaker 03

  And we we did an exercise with our group to say, okay, guys, whatever your goals are in terms of how big you want to be. Let's have a conversation about how long you want to last and how that changes your thinking.

• 2:52:58Peter Diamandis?

  Hmm.

• 2:52:59Speaker 03

  About your business. And it was super interesting because people started by thinking about the business. But they ended up thinking about their family, right? They started thinking about next generation, the.

• 2:53:08Peter Diamandis?

  Multi generational, I guess.

• 2:53:09Speaker 03

  What example are you leaving to those that might come a hundred years in the future? And see that we were here at this pivotal time and that we had an opportunity to do something. And did we do something? Like, did we do the right thing together at the right level of consciousness or not? And it became a very philosophical discussion later on. But to me, that's a huge part of longevity. And um I'm interested uh uh for you to share. How you've you've oh, you were very focused at the whole getting to space.

• 2:53:38Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 2:53:38Speaker 03

  And then how your MTP and your moonshots have evolved into longevity space? And what what were the key things that made?

• 2:53:44Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, interesting. Yeah, my I grew up in the sixties and it was the Apollo program and Star Trek that really captured my attention. And I was enamored with going to space. And I as I got to meet astronauts and learn about the government space program, I gave up. On government as a means of getting there and the idea of becoming a government astronaut where I might get a chance to fly. Half the astronauts who are selected never fly. They're called penguins because they have wings, but they don't fly. And then, you know, my vision of flying was I go up every weekend if I wanted to. And that just was not going to happen that way. And I spent thirty years, I built the International Space Universities, there are Gravity Corporation. Our first X Prize was for spaceflight.

• 2:54:27Peter Diamandis?

  Uh, you know, space adventures that sent eight clients to the International Space Station. And it was great. Um, and then I met Ray Kurzweil and I realized that opening up space was going to really happen from the convergence of exponential technologies, right? We're seeing that with now Starship, material sciences and AI and manufacturing and computer simulation and so forth. And that's amazing. And so I needed to focus really on exponential tech, on solving big world problems. X Prize went from just a SpaceX Prize to Grand Challenges and Gillette University came in. And then I realized that, wow, okay.

• 2:55:09Peter Diamandis?

  Um, this was about a decade ago, um, in my early fifties, fifty-one, fifty-two. And space is moving slow and tech is going fast. And I want to see the next hundred years. And it's like selfishly, there's a lot I want to do, a lot I want to see. And, uh, I don't, I, I, you know, rebel against the idea of an eighty, ninety or a hundred year lifespan. And I start remembering, oh, bowhead whales can live two hundred years and Greenland sharks can live five hundred years. Why can't we? And then all of a sudden, we start to see these technologies coming into existence.

• 2:55:51Peter Diamandis?

  Uh, you know, again, AI, quantum technologies, biotech and so forth. And it's like, huh, here's the tools. And we actually may have the ability to extend the healthy human lifespan. And I don't need to extend my healthy human lifespan by fifty years or thirty years. I'm happy to add an extra ten and then. And then intercept all the breakthroughs during that ten that add twenty and then intercept the next ones that add additional. And so it's out of a love of life and a massive curiosity. And wanting more time to see my moon shots fulfilled. And that's been driving this. I also think health is in your wealth.

• 2:56:36Peter Diamandis?

  And I think there's no greater gift you can give anybody. Right? So where I invest my, you know, my personal funds, my venture funds are in, in health, tech, biotech, and in AI. I think are the two biggest wealth creation engines out there.

• 2:56:53Peter Diamandis?

  And I think ultimately.

• 2:56:56Peter Diamandis?

  We're going to see the six Ds hitting this health. I think we're going to completely demonetize and democratize. And it's not going to be just for the wealthy. It's going to be for everybody. And, um, and it's going to transform society. I think a world in which you are, you care about the world more because you're going to be around longer is one that I want to help create.

• 2:57:23Speaker 03

  It's super interesting because, you know, biology kind of comes after, after chemistry, like when we, when we digitize physics, right? Like, you know, starting with basically like, you know, modern.

• 2:57:32Peter Diamandis?

  Physics is fundamental. Yeah. Then chemistry, then biology.

• 2:57:35Speaker 03

  Now biology, right? So, and the fact that at the core of our biology is, is the most digital, uh, machine, which is DNA, right? Like, so the fact that we are going down this route where, when, whereas we digitize this, everything becomes personalized, everything becomes something which becomes predictive. Um, and what's super interesting, uh, as, as a, as an extra payoff, because I think the thing about these mindsets is each of them comes with a payoff. So I'm 55 years old right now. Uh, I, I recently, uh, met up with, uh, one of my school friends from school, right? Like way back when I was like, you know, nine years old. He's retired. Um, and I meant to see him and we went for a walk. And I swear, he could be like double my age in terms of his physique and everything.

• 2:58:19Speaker 03

  And it's like, he's like just giving up on life, right? That's where he's at. And I'm like, wow. And and you think at the turn of the century, like nineteen hundred, the average

• 2:58:28Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, forty.

• 2:58:28Speaker 03

  Age of forty years old, right? So I'm like fifty five years old now, I wouldn't even be here a hundred years ago. But then at the same time, I go out and see Richard Branson, Necker Island, he's windsurfing at like, you know, seventy plus. And I'm like, this is all basically about where you're pulling your energy from, right? And there's something about longevity itself and this whole idea that I at fifty five am like, well, I'm I may be getting halfway there because I I intend to live a long time. But the biggest thing that I feel keeps me feeling young um is the fact that I'm drawing my energy from, I believe, a different source, right? Like, I feel there's three different sources. And again, this is more metaphor, but but the three sources that we tend to generate energy from, if we're at the bottom prism that we talked about in consciousness, the only energy you can get is pretty much like elected power, right?

• 2:59:12Speaker 03

  Meaning you you go to wind up the radio to hear the radio. And the problem with that power, and we call that motivation, right? So if I could motivate myself every day, well, the problem is if you get to motivate yourself, then you've got no motivation, you've got no energy. And people at that level, especially if you're full of toxic foods, especially if you're full of toxic relationships, environments, like, it's just will be so difficult to even get through each day. And you see people aging way too early because they're trying to tap into that power. If you take some of these mindsets we talked about and you're here for a bigger reason with a bigger group, at some point, you go from elected power to connected power. That's when you like go, oh, I don't need to wind up the radio, I can plug it in, right? And and and this connected power usually comes with community, it comes with a lot of people.

• 2:59:50Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 2:59:51Speaker 03

  Where you just know when you show up, like, knowing I was gonna come and have podcasts with you, I knew it was gonna be more energized at the end of the podcast than even when we start. Because it's energizing at this different level. And and of course, that's great, but if you disconnect, then it also goes down, right? This is why some people are unhappy with their spouse or their partner because they had such a great energy. And then when they left, then they're like, oh, now I'm down here. And and when you realize that when you leave this planet, that's also a disconnection, right? Then it's like, well, then what, right? Like, there are people that some who are watching this podcast. Have had more of an impact on them, even though they lived thousands of years ago and they never met. Versus their next door neighbor who might have died five years ago and they're forgotten already, right? And so it's like, what is that lasting power? And above connected power, there's another one, which is reflected power, right?

• 3:00:36Speaker 03

  That's like solar power, right? That's like, as long as the sun shines, right? You don't even need to plug in. That's what you run on, right? That's what we see the top.

• 3:00:44Peter Diamandis?

  It's a purpose driven energy, right? There's a Greek, there's a, I love the word enthusiasm, which comes from the Greek word for en-enthusiasm, which is in God, right? Where you're, there's this energy source, you're enthusiastic, but you're not just enjoying something. There's a level of enthusiasm, you love what you're doing. Like, I, I, I was, I've been so excited about this conversation with you today. Cause there are very few people I play pitch and catch with in these mindsets. And I think it's one of the most important things. I want to get to the top of the mountain and shout to everybody, listen, your mindset, it matters. Choose it, develop it, hang out with the right people. What's on your walls? What are you reading? What are you watching? You know, mindsets matter, please. It is one of the greatest things that you've got.

• 3:01:28Speaker 03

  And the payoffs, you don't, you can't really explain it until you get to it. And then you give it a shot and then it's like, oh, now I've got this energy.

• 3:01:34Peter Diamandis?

  I'll give you an example, right? The numbers are pretty extraordinary that purpose dri- individuals who are purpose driven and who are optimistic, uh, have, you know, a significantly longer lifespan. Right? And it's measurable. I've written about it. I think it's a seventeen percent increase in lifespan if you're defined as an optimistic individual. And at the end of the day, uh, you know,

• 3:02:00Peter Diamandis?

  who do you want to hang out with? People who are optimistic and purpose driven? Or people who are, you know, depressed and, and, and trying to just, you know, make their way through the day?

• 3:02:11Speaker 03

  A hu- a huge amount, I, I like longevity of your phone has everything to do with basically how many apps are sapping the battery. And, and basically the level to which, you know, you're able to charge it as you go. And, and, and we're exactly the same, we're like energetic beings. Where it's not simply about what you eat or what you know or don't know about your body or putting yourself at risk by just not understanding uh that there are tools out there that allow you to get predictive on what might happen to you. But also toxic relationships, like we said, toxic media, like all of these things are all affecting your energy. And that means also affecting your longevity, right? So when you realize, wow, like, you know, getting surrounded by the right energy, getting in with the right purpose isn't just good for the world, it's good for my own lifetime and who I become.

• 3:02:53Speaker 03

  And having an interest in longevity mindset totally changes the outlook you have. And it stops you sweating the small stuff happening today. Cause it's nothing like, like, what was the small stuff that you're worrying about in two thousand and three? Most people can't remember what that was, right? Because that wasn't as important anymore, but, but, and, and, and so why worry about it today? Um, there, there's this story I'd, I'd like, love to share on it. I know I shared it with you when we were last speaking, but for those listening podcast, it's the biggest piece on longevity. I, I believe when I, I heard myself, and this was again on my trip to Japan. And it was when uh we were doing a tea ceremony where everything is just so deliberate and like just for the reason that there is this concept in Japan of every moment being precious for itself, right?

• 3:03:37Speaker 03

  So like, like we're only like here, having this podcast at this moment with people listening, this one moment. Um, and while it's recorded, the actual experience itself basically is one moment in time, right? And, and we were like, wow, this is incredible, seeing this sense of presence by thinking about time. And so we were in this big uh garden, which was actually a museum for banyan trees. And uh, and, and we went outside and heard that these were worth millions of dollars because some of them were thousands of years old. And we saw this old man and he was in there kind of like actually tying the tree. And so we went up to speak to him and said, hey, you're the gardener here. And he goes, no, I'm the owner. We go, you're the owner of this whole place? He goes, yeah. And he goes, well, how much is all this worth? And he goes, I don't know, a hundred million. And we're like, where did you get the money for that?

• 3:04:21Speaker 03

  And he goes, well, he made his money in ramen noodles, right? And then sold his company, now he had this thing. So we're like, well, why are you doing this instead of having gardeners do it? And he pointed to this tree he had there and he said, look, this tree is over a thousand years old. Now, I don't know what your ancestors were like a thousand years ago, but I know I had great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandparents. Like we're talking about over twelve to fifteen different generations and every generation looked after this tree. And every generation relied their whole life on the next generation to keep up their work. And here I am after twelve generations. How can I not look after the tree, right?

• 3:04:56Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 3:04:57Speaker 03

  I let all of them down, all of my ancestors and and we're like, wow. And he goes, but that's not all. After me, this tree will last for another thousand years.

• 3:05:04Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 3:05:05Speaker 03

  And so that means that my children and my children's children or whoever is a generation who decides to look after this tree. If I don't look after this tree now, then they can't look after the tree. So this is an obligation that I have in my lifetime to carry on this chain. And this is why I do this every day, because I must. And that really impacted me when I'm like, well, I'm also here, not just for my life. I'm and the people I I meet every day, I'm here for all those that made it possible for me to be here. And and for all the people afterwards as well. And longevity, that changes everything.

• 3:05:39Peter Diamandis?

  It ties together the purpose driven mindset, a gratitude mindset, uh, you know, a moonshot mindset. And these are all intertwined. That's a beautiful story. Um, Roger, this has been an epic uh, conversation and I think we could probably keep going forever. Talk to me about Genius U. Where do people find you? Tell them what they can learn on Genius U. Who is, who have you built Genius U for?

• 3:06:05Speaker 03

  Great, uh, uh, it's called Genius because there's this great saying, everyone's born a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will go for its whole life believing in stupid, right? So it's pretty much basically a whole new way of thinking about education lifelong from like, we've got like, you know, uh, preschoolers with their parents, learning how to like, think about discovery through their primary high school, through the university. Uh, we have a university just outside of Los Angeles here, um, all the way through basically to uh, entrepreneurs, investors. Uh, learning exactly these things, like, how do you shift mindset? And more importantly, How do you do it in a way that's right for you? So when someone comes on, the first thing that they do is they take uh our genius test. You find out, am I more of a dynamo genius like you and me, where we're great at starting things, not so great at finishing it. So we better get a team.

• 3:06:50Speaker 03

  Right? Are we better at like, some people are more like, you know, uh tempo genius and we won't go through all of them right here, but. But we all have got natural geniuses that work for us. And what is happening now, very different from what was happening a couple of years ago. Is the next step is you meet your genie AI. So we have actually hooked in uh G P T four to each individual. So if I go to G P T four and I go, do you know who I am? It says, I'm an L L M. I don't know. But like, without genie, it goes, yeah, you're Roger Hamilton. And and so the whole way that it actually allows. Me to then say, well, if I'm going to, I I actually asked some question. I'm going to be on this podcast with Peter. Uh what kind of things should we talk about? And it knows who you are, it knows who I am, it knows what we're trying to achieve. It then basically says, based on your passions and purpose, here's some thoughts.

• 3:07:30Speaker 03

  So the whole idea is exactly as we say, there should be someone looking after um and and guiding you. That's your personal Aristotle, right? And that is.

• 3:07:36Peter Diamandis?

  Yes, I love that.

• 3:07:37Speaker 03

  And then from there, it then goes through basically choosing what um path you want to follow. You want to be an entrepreneur investor and then. And then what community you go into. And we've got this clear philosophy, which is exactly what we're talking about, learning through doing. Connect, learn, earn, act, review. And instead of student debt, we have student credits. You get, you earn credits every single time you do a step. Uh and then you can redeem those credits on the actual platform as well. So we've gamified the idea of education. And right now, there are, there are teachers, because I used to say teachers didn't get paid uh what they should be getting paid. There are teachers making millions of dollars. But you'll find them on YouTube or you'll find them as bestselling authors. They don't necessarily have got programs that are endorsed by the Department of Education.

• 3:08:18Peter Diamandis?

  Sure.

• 3:08:18Speaker 03

  But our goal is to basically take what is the peripheral side, which is entrepreneurial education, which is basically unlearning what we learn at school to learn again. And bring it into the full education system so that you can get your high school diploma or your degree program funded off the back of it as well. Um and that's really the ambition. Like, is it possible that a hundred years from now, when we saw that there was a need for a new education system? We could have been a part of the solution. And that that's what.

• 3:08:42Peter Diamandis?

  Amazing. So where do people go to learn more?

• 3:08:45Speaker 03

  Very simple, geniusu.com. So genius and then you, just the letter U, dot com. And then they can just start the journey straight away.

• 3:08:51Peter Diamandis?

  Amazing.

• 3:08:53Peter Diamandis?

  How do I say this, dude? I'm grateful. Thank you for a beautiful conversation. I truly hope people took a lot away from this. Please, as you're reflecting on the conversation that Roger Hamilton and I just had, ask yourself, what mindset do you have? And what mindset do you desire to have to navigate the decade ahead? Hang out with people who support those mindsets, read the books, the podcasts that support those mindsets. Take the time to train on those mindsets. It's like going to the gym a little bit every day, a little bit of meditation, gratitude, curiosity, you know, moonshots,

• 3:09:36Peter Diamandis?

  abundance, exponential, purpose-driven longevity. It makes life a lot more fun, doesn't it?

• 3:09:43Speaker 03

  It does. And I'll say this as well, Peter, like, and for everyone who's listened to this, this is a moment in time, like we said, but it's been a decade where, at the time, when I first met you, yes, I was in Bali, yes, there'd been some levels of success and things I'd done. But the way you opened up my thinking to a much, much bigger game, which does like mean, okay, I'm going to give up some comforts because I'm going to have to basically put myself on the line and grow something much bigger. But that's the hero's journey, right? That's the part where it's like, are you up for the call? And so much of what you were sharing back then, you know, what I'm doing now and everything that I'm part of is kind of like living proof that once you follow and apply the things you talk about, they really do end up being

• 3:10:29Speaker 03

  something that can change not just the world, but also change yourself. Like, there's a huge difference between someone showing up every day saying, "This is my work" versus "This is my life's work," right? And I think that's a huge part of what you're sharing.

• 3:10:40Peter Diamandis?

  Amazing, amazing difference. And thank you for being a member of the Abundance 360 community because you shine a light and people get inspired by you. Anyway.

• 3:10:49Speaker 03

  Thank you, Peter.

• 3:10:50Peter Diamandis?

  Thank you, buddy.

• 3:10:50Speaker 03

  Awesome.

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