2/19/26 Moneywise Sits Down with Music Legends Paul South & Monty Byrom of Buddha's Beef

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  Now, let's start the MoneyWise Show.

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  And welcome to the MoneyWise Show. We are live from the basement of the historic Woolworths Building in downtown Bakersfield. For the next hour, you are on KGO Money Talk, 1230 a.m., 101.1 FM, and always streaming at MoneyWiseGuys.com. You can call or text into the show 24 hours a day at 661-396-1000. We're your hosts, I'm Sharad Waite and?

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  Sammy Abiyawie.

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  Sammy, it's always a treat to do the show with you.

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  Especially today.

• 1:09Speaker 02

  Oh, we've got a great show. We're going to answer some listener questions first, and then we're going to bring in a couple of music legends. These are, and I mean legends, I mean not just locally, but nationwide. Monte Byrom, Paul South from Buddha's Beef. This is a, this band has been around for almost 40 years. They had a little hiatus and that they've been reincarnated and they've come back.

• 1:37Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:37Speaker 02

  We're really excited to have Buddha's Beef on. Of course, they're going to be talking about a show that they're going to be putting on right down here in the basement of the Woolworths Building this Saturday. So really looking forward to them. I think they've got their instruments, so we're going to hear a few songs from them. But first and foremost, we'd love to take your comments and questions, 661-396-

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  3961000, that's the number you can call or text 24 hours a day. Let's start with these questions, Sammy.

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  Yes, the first one, can you explain the difference between the per diem interest and standard interest calculations?

• 2:12Speaker 02

  So, I mean, per diem is per day.

• 2:15Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 2:16Speaker 02

  Latin, right? Do you remember your Latin? I bet you do.

• 2:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, per diem.

• 2:21Speaker 02

  Per diem.

• 2:21Speaker 03

  After 25 years of banking, the per diem is stuck in my head.

• 2:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, per diem, you hear that all the time. You hear per diem. When I hear per diem, it's usually the amount that an employee can be reimbursed for their travel expenses, their daily, their daily costs that they have. And so I'm glad you're here for this, though, Sammy. Maybe you can kind of explain the difference between per diem and standard.

• 2:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, so the standard interest calculation is typically your loan balance times the interest rate divided by an equal amount of periods. And most of the time is 12 months. And the months in this case are all equal periods of 30 days. There's no 28 days in February or 31 days in January. No, we're calculating it based on 12 months. A lot of this calculation typically applies for mortgages and car loans. Why? Because banks have a specific. Consumer lending is very, very pro-consumer. So they want to make sure that the calculation that that contract is known

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  and clear to whomever is going to sign. So there's no questions at a later date. The per diem calculation is taking the principal, timing it by a, an interest rate, and then dividing that by 365 days. And then you have your daily interest. We apply that in, let's say, we have a construction loan.

• 3:55Speaker 03

  That's what we use. We use that this type of calculation to come up with the daily interest. At the end of the the month, we tally unless the loan is paid off prior to the end of that period.

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  Mm hmm.

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  It's also used in, hey, you want to pay off your your your loan, you call the bank and says, I want a payoff. They give you a payoff as of today and then the per diem.

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  Right.

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  For the next seven, fourteen days, whatever you request. That way you know that if you send a cashier check or a wire, you can just add amount of interest per day to come up with the calculation for the payoff.

• 4:31Speaker 02

  Right, right. I think that's where this applies mostly would be the, you know, the the loans that most people get would be a consumer loan. And I think I think people would be surprised to know that especially with credit cards, for example, you don't, you you're paying a standard interest rate, not like a, it doesn't, it doesn't always credit your account when they receive the money.

• 4:55Speaker 03

  That's correct.

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  Because it's sort of like already baked in. There are, there are loans where that does. So like, it would benefit you to double the pay, not double the payments, but make

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  Extra.

• 5:05Speaker 02

  Extra payment or make a payment mid month and then make the final payment, you know. So you're doing like, it's not, you're not paying extra, but you're just paying more frequently so that you can reduce the interest charge.

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  Correct.

• 5:20Speaker 02

  You know, that you're paying and that can help speed up. But sometimes it doesn't, it's it's more of that standard rate. It's not that per diem. And so then it's just like, you know.

• 5:29Speaker 03

  So if you're a consumer or borrower in in general, you just want to read that that loan agreement to see what what what type of interest calculation the bank is using.

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  Yeah.

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  Okay.

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  Yeah.

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  That's that's.

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  That's and it's usually standard.

• 5:44Speaker 03

  It's usually standard, especially for consumer stuff, usually standard.

• 5:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. Good stuff. Smart questions. Got another question here. You got that, Sammy?

• 5:50Speaker 03

  Yeah. Can you explain what R and D tax credits are and how they can be used for a small business owner?

• 5:56Speaker 02

  This is really interesting. You and I kind of learned a few things about this because it wasn't until just recently, was it the one big, beautiful bill that changed what companies can deduct in terms of expenses for research and development?

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  Yes.

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  And so there was, there have been some changes on that recently where now businesses can deduct.

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  Hundred percent.

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  A hundred percent right away. You don't have to amortize or depreciate, not depreciate.

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  Amortize it over five years.

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  Amortize it over five years, like where you, you know, you, you're realizing that depreciation over a five-year period. You can realize it all at once if you want to as a business owner. So it's a big, huge benefit. You found some information about Amazon recently, in fact, right?

• 6:41Speaker 03

  Yeah. So I was curious because I read a couple of weeks ago that the Amazon tax bill got reduced by like more than 45, 50%. And a lot of it has to do with the tax bill. So as I was diving in on just finding out why, a lot of it has to do with their R and D. So they, they, they don't, they no longer have to amortize it over five years. They can just deduct that.

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  Right away.

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  Right away.

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  And that's what gave them a huge difference in the tax break.

• 7:07Speaker 03

  Correct. Especially within the AI era where they're hiring a lot of people and trying to make a lot of advances and changes and research and development. They took a huge advantage of that.

• 7:17Speaker 02

  I think it's important, we're not to explain, we are not tax accountants. We're not tax attorneys. So anytime that you have tax questions, we'd always recommend and refer you to somebody who does this professionally. So we're just kind of talking, generally speaking, research, research and development does count as a, as a, as a, a deduction that you can take, which reduces your taxable income. However, the IRS does define and put a criterion on what that means. Cause you can imagine Sammy, if you have. I mean, you can have any business and just say, well, this is, this is research and it was kind of the ongoing joke. I'm doing R and D and you're sitting on the beach drinking

• 8:01Speaker 02

  a Mai Tai. What kind of research and development are you doing? You know, I'm thinking about what I could maybe do differently. It's like, that's not research and development.

• 8:10Speaker 03

  Well, this did bring the idea for me to maybe go upstairs and start researching and developing new burgers.

• 8:16Speaker 02

  Now, that counts. That would count.

• 8:18Speaker 03

  Both the labor and the material, I'm gonna say.

• 8:21Speaker 02

  Yes, you could deduct all of that, Sammy, and you'd probably have a good time.

• 8:25Speaker 03

  Probably.

• 8:26Speaker 02

  There are four, there's four criteria that the IRS sets for being able, for it to qualify as a research and development. You actually have to have permitted purpose, which means you're actually trying to improve function, performance, reliability, or quality. It needs to be technological in nature. That means there has to be something that is based on engineering, or computer science, or physics, some sort of applied sciences, which is really important. That, that comes to like, you can't just be, you know,

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  So I can't just be

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  dreaming up some idea. That's, that's different. The other, third criteria is elimination of uncertainties, meaning you didn't know if or how it would work initially. So it can't be something that like you already knew. Like, that's not, you're not, not developing any, I mean, you're not researching anything. You already knew it. And the last one is a process of experimentation. That means you've tested, prototyped, or iterated to try to figure out what it is that you're trying to, to fix. So the IRS definitely puts the definition on what research and development is. Seems like it's still pretty broad, but you just want to be aware of that as a small business owner. I mean, I think if you're a small business owner, you're doing your own taxes. Um, you know, good

• 9:42Speaker 02

  luck to you. I think in certain businesses, that's okay, but you really have to bite the bullet. And in my opinion, a good tax accountant, a good bookkeeper is worth their weight in gold. It's like, it is so, so valuable to have that. It's like something you don't really want to go cheap on. You want to have a good You know, you want a fair price, but like you, it's a cost of doing business. You just a good accountant, a good attorney, a good banker. Like you, you have to have that.

• 10:17Speaker 03

  I agree. If you're a small business, definitely you have to surround yourself with a team of the people you just described. An attorney, a CPA, a banker, a financial advisor. So.

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  Yeah. Last question.

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  Yeah.

• 10:31Speaker 02

  I like this one.

• 10:32Speaker 03

  Yep. I love this one. I get triggered with this one. Gas prices are almost $2 more here in California versus the average US price. I did my own research after hearing you, your oil guy the other day and was just wondering, why do we pay so much more? I'm hearing it has something to do with the CEC, but just wanted to hear you guys' opinion.

• 10:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. So CEC, I'm assuming that's.

• 10:57Speaker 03

  California Energy Commission.

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  Yeah. So let's talk first about what California has going against it. And we talked about this with Chad Hathaway, our oil expert here on, earlier in the week. California is a fuel island. So, you know, it doesn't have, has very limited pipeline connections to other refining regions. So it can't really import cheaper gasoline from the, where it's more easily refined, like in Texas or in the Gulf Coast. We have very few refineries. It's a shrinking capacity. Over the last 15, 20 years, we've just seen it shrink. And just here recently, we lost another one. So we're down to just a small handful of refineries within California.

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  And California, coming to sort of our regulations, everybody knows California has high regulations. We're, we're a high reg, highly regulated state. We're a very progressive state. So with that comes, is generally not business friendly. And it has been especially.

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  The environmental movements have been especially hard on oil producers and fuel refiners. And so all of that means that, you know, when you have a very shrinking supply, but an ever-growing demand, which we've had in California, despite all of these laws and these rules to try to regulate it, we still have an increasing demand in oil and gas. And so all of those things have brought up, you know, a much higher cost for gases.

• 12:35Speaker 03

  And the requirement of the California gas, so we cannot just import from other states. It has to meet the requirements. I think there's a name for that called CARB, California Air Resources Board formulation. This thing has to have lower emissions, less evaporative, different oxygenate blend, and more, just more expensive to produce.

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  Yeah.

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  And that just adds cost.

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  Right. Yeah.

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  The other thing too is our taxes at the pump is slightly higher than other states as well. We do benefit from what we call freeways in the state of California. And if you go to East Coast, they don't have freeways, they have toll roads.

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  Right.

• 13:18Speaker 03

  Right? And their taxes might be lower. That's another thing for us is we finance our infrastructure through a lot of these taxes collected at the pump.

• 13:26Speaker 02

  Right. Yeah. And then we have a growing problem with, we have a high rate of usage of electric vehicles, but the electric vehicles are not paying into the gas tax that goes into support the infrastructure.

• 13:42Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 13:43Speaker 02

  It's like a.

• 13:43Speaker 03

  And the grid itself.

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  Right.

• 13:47Speaker 03

  Like we have an aging grid and we need more electricity, which, I mean, it sounds like we have a lot of solar now and what have you, so we have production. But these electrical cars don't have, don't pay into what the traditional gas or powered car pays.

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  You know, it's so, it's easy to look at the cost of crude oil and relate that to gasoline, but that is only about half of what goes into the cost of a gallon of gasoline.

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  Oh, yeah. Yeah.

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  The other, the other part that comes out is, at least in California, you're paying almost 30%.

• 14:23Speaker 02

  Of for a gas of a gallon of gasoline just for the refining costs. That's that's like double of what the rest of the nation is paying. They have a lot lower refining costs. And then you have distribution, storage and marketing. California is actually a little bit cheaper than the rest of the country. And that's about 10% of the of the cost of a gallon of gasoline. But where we really, really do some damages and taxes and regulatory programs. Like you mentioned, the different blends that we have. And then we have cap and trade. The cap and trade requires that in any oil company that's doing business in California is is to pay a premium.

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  Essentially, they pass that cost on to you because they have to buy carbon credits to offset the the emissions that their product is causing. And so the taxes and regulatory is about 30% of the of the cost of a gallon of gasoline.

• 15:20Speaker 03

  Here's here's something I learned when I was financing gas stations. There's a little little thing that we pay at the pump, about two, three cents a gallon. That goes into the the state, the state fund.

• 15:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, some there if there is a leak of that tank. Insurances typically don't insure gas stations because of the high risk or the perceived high risk. So this two, three cents go into the state state fund. If there is a leak, guess what? Who pays for that?

• 15:49Speaker 02

  Taxpayers do.

• 15:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, indirectly, indirectly through the state fund comes in and and does the cleanup.

• 15:55Speaker 02

  Gotcha. I see.

• 15:56Speaker 03

  So two cents, three cents, if you have, you know, I don't know how many gallons you buy per year throughout a life of buying gallons, that adds up too. But indirectly, we have an insurance problem in the state that the state fund has to find a way how to pay for it. And indirectly, we pay for those underground storage by the two, three cents that we pay at the pump.

• 16:18Speaker 02

  Right. Yeah, so we're we're paying about. Almost a dollar thirty a gallon in taxes and regulatory programs like this that you've mentioned. So if you take a five dollar gallon of gasoline, then a dollar thirty of it is going to taxes and regulators. And then you have about two dollars is going just for the oil. And then you have about seventy cents a gallon goes just to the refining costs. Well, actually, it's a it's a dollar ten goes into the refining costs and the refining profit margins. Forty-five cents goes into distribution and marketing.

• 17:02Speaker 02

  And then the rest is in the taxes, about a dollar thirty of taxes between state and federal cap and trade, low carbon fuel standards, and then you have your local tax, state and local taxes. So that's that, you know, you look at that five dollar a gallon is.

• 17:18Speaker 03

  And this is not including the shipping costs. Lot of the oil we get in the state of California is coming from overseas.

• 17:26Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 17:27Speaker 03

  Venezuela, Southern America, South America, that gets shipped here because we require a certain grade of fuel that we want to refine to a certain grade.

• 17:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:39Speaker 03

  So we cannot just import it from just neighboring states. That adds cost as well.

• 17:45Speaker 02

  We have to, we're essentially an energy island where, you know, we, as much as California produces in oil and gas, it's not enough to supply all of our state's demand.

• 17:57Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 17:58Speaker 02

  We have no choice but to have to import a large percentage, most of what we, what we consume is imported. And because there's no pipelines that come across the Rockies, there's no pipeline that comes from yet. We talked to Chad Hathaway about a pipeline that's in the works, potentially from Arizona, New Mexico, or, you know, Texas. But that's, you know, years down the line. So the only way that we can import it now is on these tankers that is imported in from other parts of the world.

• 18:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:28Speaker 02

  And then we talked about this also in earlier show about the Jones Act, which is was, you know. Early 1900s law that requires a certain number of the ships to be American, American owned ships. And those are, those are shrinking the number of American ships that can actually carry. And so it's expensive to do, to hire those ships. And so now there's been a workaround that's been, that's recently has been coming where the, the foreign based ships will, will, um, will, um, pick up the, the gasoline and go to the Bahamas and either refine it or just stop in the Bahamas before they come

• 19:12Speaker 02

  back to the United, back to California. So there's an all time high percentage of gasoline that's being imported from the Bahamas to California, which is just insane to me because they gotta go all the way around to the Panama Canal and come all the way through. And like, yet that's cheaper because there's only a certain number of ships that, that comply with the Jones Act. And so it's just.

• 19:33Speaker 03

  Well, well, fear not, Jared, because we are not going to need any gasoline anyways. The bullet train is coming.

• 19:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. And it's just 20 more years. The bullet train. Oh my gosh. Great questions. Wanted to thank our listeners so much. We are going to take a quick break. We come back, we're going to be joined by Monty Byrom, Paul South from Buddha's Beef. These are musicians that are playing this Saturday at the Woolworths, the basement at the Woolworths. We're going to listen to them sing. We're going to hear some of their music and don't go anywhere, we'll be right back.

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• 20:33Speaker 02

  You guys hear that all right?

• 20:36Speaker 04

  Good.

• 20:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, welcome. Welcome back to Money Wise. I'm Sherwood here with Sammy Abiyawi. That music you hear right there, that's Buddha's Beef. We have right now joined in the studio Paul South and Monty Byrom, both with Buddha's Beef. Give a little bio here about the band. If you're not familiar, it was founded in 1988 in Seattle by singer songwriter and multi-instrumentalist Paul South. Their goal of playing socially conscious world beat music during the peak of the grunge and indie alternative movements in the 90s eventually took its toll on the band and they disbanded in 2001. Buddha's Beef were reincarnated 20 years later with Paul joining forces with Bakersfield legend, Monty Byrom in May of 2021.

• 21:21Speaker 02

  They released their comeback album, New Solutions. You can find that album, by the way, on Spotify, Apple Music, wherever you stream your music. Making their basement debut on Saturday, February 21st, that's coming up just a few days. Buddha's Beef blends seasonal musicianship with a free-flowing, deeply rooted live performance. Also, joining Buddha's Beef will be Dancing Tommy, bringing their unique blend of new wave, alternative and Laurel Canyon 70s rock. Welcome to the show, Paul and Monty.

• 21:53Speaker 04

  I didn't know that was a thing, Laurel Canyon 70s.

• 21:56Speaker 02

  I have got a suspicion. I know who wrote this bio. Yeah. I'm guessing it was Carter, but I could be off.

• 22:06Speaker 02

  I could be off, but Monty, you've been on the show, you know, many times throughout the years. Also, you know, you've been on Scott Cox shows for many years. You know, a lot of people are familiar with you and I think with your music and what you've done.

• 22:24Speaker 04

  But you know, if they've been awake for more than a minute.

• 22:26Speaker 02

  A little bit, a little bit. I remember the last time you were on the show, I read your Wikipedia page, which I'd recommend anybody go to. Have you ever read your own Wikipedia page? You gotta get on it, man.

• 22:37Speaker 04

  Never been on it.

• 22:38Speaker 02

  Oh, you gotta check it out. It's impressive. Like, there may be some.

• 22:43Speaker 04

  Then it's gotta be full of lies.

• 22:45Speaker 02

  Maybe, there may be, but it does list the bands that you've been involved in. Billy Satellite, New Frontier, Big House, The Buckaroos, Zen Road Pilots, Monty Byrom and the Road Pilots, and now Buddha's Beef.

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  Most proud of Buddha's Beef.

• 23:02Speaker 02

  Are you really? Of all of that? Why is that?

• 23:06Speaker 04

  Because this is the music I was meant to play. Paul's my favorite writer. We've been singing together since we were like, what, 18, 19?

• 23:13Speaker 02

  Oh my gosh.

• 23:14Speaker 04

  And, and I've always loved reggae music. It's not like it wasn't ever a part of my life, but I never was in a reggae band. And I don't know if it speak, I mean, I was like around him. Eddie and I used to hang out with Toots from Toots and the Matals, and we covered one of his songs back in the late 80s. "Don't Come Running Back." But anyway, Paul, even when we were in the Navy together, was like my favorite writer and, and he turned me on to-

• 23:44Speaker 02

  So is that where you two met? Did you meet in the Navy?

• 23:46Speaker 05

  I met Monty in, I would say, 1977 in San Francisco in the Navy. Actually, we were roommates.

• 23:53Speaker 02

  No way.

• 23:54Speaker 04

  That would actually be 19 Baba Booey.

• 23:57Speaker 05

  I forget.

• 23:59Speaker 04

  A long years-

• 24:00Speaker 05

  I need some more media training.

• 24:01Speaker 02

  Many, many years ago. So you guys met, you were both into music, you're both musicians at that time?

• 24:09Speaker 05

  We were in the Navy Band and we did probably, we did three shows a day, five days a week, at high schools up and down the Central Valley.

• 24:17Speaker 04

  Junior colleges.

• 24:18Speaker 02

  No way.

• 24:19Speaker 05

  And we did probably four or 5,000 shows together.

• 24:24Speaker 04

  I don't even want to know. I don't know how many, but here's what I know. We got real good at what we were doing.

• 24:30Speaker 05

  Oh yeah.

• 24:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, you got your 10,000 hours in there.

• 24:33Speaker 05

  We got our 10,000 hours in before we were 21.

• 24:36Speaker 02

  Gosh.

• 24:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's weird if you think about it, huh?

• 24:39Speaker 05

  That's all we did.

• 24:39Speaker 04

  Because most kids- I mean, like, don't get me wrong, there's a lot of talent in this town. And I look at even my son, or, you know, John and Kyle and all these great players around this town. They had the 10,000-hour rule by the time they were 21.

• 24:54Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 24:54Speaker 05

  It's not easy, though.

• 24:55Speaker 02

  I was gonna say, like, a lot of, I've heard artists say, "Oh, you're so talented." You know, "How is it, you know, that you're so talented?" And sometimes artists will get a little offended by that, because it's like, "Well, yeah, because I put in the time." Like, "I'm doing the work."

• 25:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, time on task and talent.

• 25:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, and staying focused on it and just, like, doing it over and over again.

• 25:17Speaker 05

  I think socially, we focus on precociousness. When we think about talent, we think about the Picassos who can draw draft line drawings when he's six. But we don't think about the painters who basically are doctors and they spend a couple of hours a night for 60 years painting, and then they're good.

• 25:34Speaker 02

  Right, exactly.

• 25:35Speaker 05

  We focus on the precociousness, because it's more interesting.

• 25:38Speaker 02

  It's way more interesting. It's not interesting to think of a 15-year-old kid sitting in his bedroom, you know, 10 hours a day plucking at the guitar.

• 25:46Speaker 04

  Well, it was torture to me when I was a kid. I didn't like it.

• 25:50Speaker 05

  I remember, in the Navy School of Music, if you didn't lock yourself up in a studio and practice, you were likely to get kicked out.

• 25:58Speaker 02

  Oh, gosh.

• 26:00Speaker 05

  There was a lot of work done.

• 26:01Speaker 04

  Wait a minute, those were called units. We called them units.

• 26:03Speaker 05

  I just called it saying hi to the janitor when he knocked on the door.

• 26:07Speaker 04

  No, you had to have 20 a week, and we had to mark on a little piece of, he doesn't remember everything.

• 26:12Speaker 05

  I didn't do that, because I was too scared.

• 26:15Speaker 04

  But you had to go in. So this is after school. You had to put in 20 units a week. So after school, you had to put in an extra four hours of practice every day.

• 26:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:25Speaker 04

  And, you know, you think about it, but that's four hours. That's cutting into your meal time, and maybe you got a hot date that, no, no, none of that, forget that.

• 26:33Speaker 02

  So why did you do that? And I'm thinking of, like, from a parent, like, a lot of parents are trying to get their kids into music, and it's a battle, right? You gotta practice, and pay for these piano lessons, practice. What, like, how did, why did you guys, why did you do that?

• 26:46Speaker 04

  It was fun.

• 26:49Speaker 05

  It was fun. I couldn't, I started as a drummer, and I couldn't imagine not hitting a drum. The feeling of a drum hitting in front of me felt so good that I couldn't imagine not doing it.

• 26:58Speaker 02

  Something resonated, like, within you.

• 27:02Speaker 04

  I kept waking up with welts on my back and my head. I couldn't figure it, oh, and then I figured out Paul's sleepwalking.

• 27:11Speaker 04

  He has to hit something.

• 27:13Speaker 02

  Well, you guys brought, you guys brought, you got your guitar here. Can we hear something? Is this something, and are you gonna play something you're gonna play on Saturday?

• 27:19Speaker 05

  We could.

• 27:20Speaker 02

  Or you don't have to, you can play whatever you want.

• 27:23Speaker 04

  Um, yeah.

• 27:26Speaker 04

  Don't be afraid of that mic.

• 27:27Speaker 05

  No, I know, we gotta jump on it. I was trying to share earlier today.

• 27:33Speaker 04

  Okay, I'm gonna put this like this, Steven. I'm gonna, yeah, there we go.

• 27:40Speaker 04

  When Paul moved back, I'm just gonna set this tune up. I hope you don't mind.

• 27:43Speaker 05

  Cool.

• 27:43Speaker 04

  You wrote it, I get to set it up.

• 27:45Speaker 05

  Cool.

• 27:46Speaker 04

  This is, this is the team we have here.

• 27:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 27:48Speaker 04

  No, when, when he came back, I, Paul always was a good writer and, and always had like great taste in music. You know, he turned me on to people like Zappa and Don McLean. I mean, all the music that I love now, I discovered through Paul as a kid. And, uh, so anyway, he goes, I got this little tune. I threw it over and, and, and he had thrown it down on a, like a microphone on his phone. And then he sent it over to Chris Newfield. And when I heard it, the first time I heard it, I remember what I thought. I thought, he's back.

• 28:19Speaker 05

  Nice.

• 28:20Speaker 04

  This is, this is one of Paul's songs, and it's called Buddha with a Mona Lisa Smile.

• 28:32Speaker 05

  I meditate here in the dark, inside this closet, behind the park, it's me.

• 28:47Speaker 05

  The Buddha with the Mona Lisa smile.

• 28:55Speaker 05

  I was created in Taipei, from a little magic and a bit of clay. I make the world spin round. I'm the Buddha with the Mona Lisa smile.

• 29:19Speaker 05

  A quiet life, each night alone.

• 29:23Speaker 05

  I save the world but have no home. That's me. The Buddha with the Mona Lisa smile. If you are ever in despair, come the darkness, I will be there to dream your pain away. The Buddha with the Mona Lisa smile.

• 30:06Speaker 05

  But if you meet me upon the road, you'd better kill me, so I'm told. That's how the world was made, said the Buddha with the Mona Lisa smile. Mmm. Oh. Oh. From a little magic, get a little clay and heal the world yourselves.

• 30:45Speaker 05

  Be a Buddha with the Mona Lisa smile. Let's heal the world ourselves, said the Buddha with the Mona Lisa smile. Mmm.

• 31:12Speaker 02

  Woo! That's awesome. Sounds so good. Sounds so good. I can't wait to hear you guys play on Saturday. We have a listener that's listening in, asking about tickets. Tickets are still available. Yes. So you can find our tickets. If you, if you search our Instagram page, Stephen? Yes.

• 31:33Speaker 00

  The Instagram, tickets are available on the Instagram page as well as the podcast notes on this episode.

• 31:40Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 31:40Speaker 00

  You can find tickets right there.

• 31:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, so it's the basement at Woolworths. If you just Google basement at Woolworths, you'll find where you can, the website and tickets.

• 31:49Speaker 04

  And also at the door.

• 31:51Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 31:51Speaker 04

  Buy, purchase tickets at the door.

• 31:53Speaker 02

  Come at the door. Yeah, we can fit, we can fit 400 people down here in the basement. So, you know, it is general admission.

• 32:01Speaker 00

  And Augie would slap me if I didn't tell him that there is options of a VIP table. If you're gonna go with the big group, you can get your own table and server and all of that.

• 32:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, which is sweet. We have a few, we just have three booths down here, but there's also a side stage VIP bar. So if you want to have a seat, you can pay a little extra for that. Those are about 30 bucks. But if you're just looking for general admission, 14 bucks. Can't beat that.

• 32:24Speaker 04

  You can't beat that.

• 32:25Speaker 02

  It's a steal.

• 32:25Speaker 04

  It's like, it's like walking into something in Manhattan or something. I feel like I'm in New York City when I'm down here.

• 32:31Speaker 02

  Monty, we owe you, and Paul, I think Paul was there too, maybe, when we were just trying to get, like, turn on our, our system, like our, our sound system and like try to see what it sounds like down here. You're one of the first people that came down here, which was just an honor for us to.

• 32:47Speaker 05

  Beautiful room and it's a beautiful sounding room.

• 32:50Speaker 02

  Yes, I agree. I agree. I am biased, but it does sound really, really good down here.

• 32:56Speaker 05

  Great job.

• 32:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, thank you.

• 32:58Speaker 04

  This is the hub of downtown now. This is it.

• 33:01Speaker 02

  That's the hope. We're really, really.

• 33:02Speaker 04

  Oh, no, it is. I mean, you can hope all you want. It's already happened, Sherrod.

• 33:06Speaker 00

  Well, we just opened, you know, we gotta do stuff.

• 33:09Speaker 03

  Did you record that, Steven? This is what we want for.

• 33:12Speaker 05

  But it's raining out and the whole, all the, everything's there. People are parking. There's people, even though it's raining, there's people downtown.

• 33:20Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think downtown.

• 33:22Speaker 05

  Parking and it's raining. It's pretty cool.

• 33:24Speaker 02

  It's really cool.

• 33:25Speaker 04

  I never saw that growing up. Like, it's really, it's drastically changed. I mean, you have the DA right there and you got a couple other businesses that have always been here.

• 33:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:35Speaker 04

  But never growing up did I come downtown and see people in every direction going in every business, every parking place is taken.

• 33:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:43Speaker 04

  And I, and I give you guys so much credit for that because. You have to have something, there has to be a hub, there has to be a reason. And you guys kind of brought that home for me.

• 33:54Speaker 02

  Thank you. We appreciate it.

• 33:56Speaker 04

  Enough of the ass kissing around. Sorry, I'm already in trouble.

• 33:59Speaker 02

  So, I'm just curious, Buddha's in the name of the band. This song that you just sung was about Buddha. So was Buddhism just a part of it all?

• 34:16Speaker 03

  Paul's a world traveler.

• 34:18Speaker 05

  It's, yeah. We actually picked the name because at the time, we were going for like a deity and a protein combination. A protein bowl and all the other ones were taken.

• 34:30Speaker 04

  Well, the protein part, he had another name for that.

• 34:33Speaker 02

  What was it? I'm trying to think of other bands.

• 34:35Speaker 05

  I was gonna go for Jehovah's Chicken, but it was already taken.

• 34:38Speaker 04

  You better watch yourself.

• 34:40Speaker 02

  That's awesome. That's great. No, I like it. I love the name.

• 34:46Speaker 04

  I do too.

• 34:46Speaker 02

  I love the song too, the lyrics.

• 34:49Speaker 03

  I do too. I tell Sharon Emily, I'm a numbers guy, I'm not artistic at all. But I'm very, very impressed. Like by the sound, just the words of the song you just did, really, really hit me.

• 35:04Speaker 04

  That's where he shines.

• 35:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:06Speaker 02

  Yes. There's some universal truths there. It was universal truths in music in general. That crosses cultures, religions. And it is definitely one of, you know, what we, part of the vision and the mission of what we want to do at the Woolworths Building is be a place that transcends politics, transcends religion. And it's just a place where people could just be and be here and enjoy it. And I guarantee Saturday's gonna be fun. I'm so excited. So excited for you guys.

• 35:39Speaker 05

  My goal as a band musician and a band person is that I just... Want people to have two hours, an hour and a half of fun.

• 35:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:50Speaker 05

  Because there's a lot of stuff in the world that's really, really stressful right now. And I don't want to think about it all the time. And to be able to go and do something and take five minutes out, two hours out in this stressful world, have fun, that's my goal. When I came back to music after not doing it for well, my only goal was to have fun.

• 36:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:09Speaker 05

  It's music, it's supposed to be fun.

• 36:11Speaker 02

  Yeah. Can you share what took you away from it, or what brought you back?

• 36:15Speaker 05

  Well, what happened was, when we left, for me personally, I moved the family to Tucson. We realized that it's a great place, but it wasn't something we saw in the long term. So I didn't start a band. The long term became the longer term.

• 36:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:34Speaker 05

  And now the kids are grown. And as we were tearing down our house, I found an old CD, an old tape that he'd given me in 1982. And I thought, I wonder if this dude's still alive. And I called him.

• 36:46Speaker 02

  This was Monty?

• 36:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, and I called Monty. And, you know, after a few, you know, who are you? What, you know, after a few grilled questions, it was pretty clear. After you knew it was me, it was, it was cool. And what happened was, the children are leaving. I'm rethinking my life at the time, we sold a house. And I thought, I gotta go play music. I just gotta go play music.

• 37:07Speaker 04

  Timing, timing is everything.

• 37:09Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 37:10Speaker 04

  It's true. Paul's leaving a little part of that story out. So, he thought I was dead.

• 37:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:19Speaker 04

  I thought he was dead. And we just assumed it. It wasn't like I got confirmation, or I saw an obituary. We just hadn't heard from each other in so long.

• 37:28Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 37:29Speaker 04

  And neither one of us are like social media guys. Like, we don't hang on our computers.

• 37:34Speaker 05

  Nope.

• 37:35Speaker 04

  So, I looked him up several times through the years, and I just gave up. I figured, well, you know. And then after 20 years of looking for him, I just assumed he had passed.

• 37:46Speaker 05

  Well, for my perception,

• 37:50Speaker 05

  I didn't see you as fronting any famous bands throughout the 80s. So I figured you had no other skills.

• 37:58Speaker 05

  So I just figured you were dead.

• 38:00Speaker 02

  He did, he did it. Wrote it hard and died.

• 38:04Speaker 05

  Wrote it hard and this was it. Yeah, left a good corpse.

• 38:06Speaker 02

  Oh, that's awesome.

• 38:07Speaker 04

  Okay, so just the last thing I'm gonna say. When you see that face and you've spent every day with it for four years, I hadn't seen him in 39 years. That's how long we went without seeing each other. And I opened my phone one day and all it is is a picture from the nose up. On Messenger, that was his picture. And I immediately knew it was Paul. Like, you know, after 39 years. And I remember running in the house and telling my wife, "Honey, I think my best friend just called." Seriously, like 39, I get emotional when I think about it. So I called him up and I go, and you know, it was immediate, like we picked up where we left off.

• 38:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, like you were together the day before.

• 38:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, and what happened was after I hung up, I thought, "I haven't laughed like that in 15 years."

• 38:54Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh.

• 38:56Speaker 05

  Something's wrong here.

• 38:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, you guys were in the trenches together.

• 39:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:01Speaker 02

  Literally, you know, yeah.

• 39:02Speaker 04

  We learned our craft together.

• 39:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. That just never goes away. I have people in my life that I was very close to in my, you know, when I was, you know, 19 and 20 and I, I'll go, I'll go five, 10 years before I hear anything from them. But when we see each other, man, it's just like,

• 39:18Speaker 04

  Pick up.

• 39:18Speaker 02

  Right where we were.

• 39:19Speaker 04

  Right where you left.

• 39:20Speaker 02

  Right, and it's just like true, true brotherhood there. You got another song for us?

• 39:24Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 39:25Speaker 02

  Let's go, let's hear it.

• 39:27Speaker 05

  I'm gonna introduce this one. One of the things I've been enjoying doing is writing songs about objects and songs about conditions and songs. Cause, you know, you can write songs about love lost, love pursued, love gained, and that's pretty boring. But I'd like to write a song where maybe the, maybe the guy singing is not quite right. Maybe the narrator's not quite right, or maybe the... So anyway, this is about a purple stuffed monkey that showed up in my car one day.

• 39:55Speaker 04

  It's my favorite new song.

• 39:57Speaker 02

  Yes. Yeah. You got a picture of it?

• 39:59Speaker 05

  Because it's a new one.

• 40:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:01Speaker 05

  Make sure I got the words.

• 40:02Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah. Get your, get ready.

• 40:05Speaker 05

  It's so new. It's still got, it's still got.

• 40:08Speaker 03

  There's some comments here that said, you guys sound good. Some of the listeners are saying.

• 40:11Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Listeners say, "Sound good."

• 40:12Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 40:13Speaker 02

  Also, while you're looking that up, I'll answer a couple of questions here regarding you guys. Says, "Will there be food and drinks available? Tell the guys downtown to rock on." Downtown Mark says, "Rock on." I hope you guys know Downtown Mark.

• 40:25Speaker 05

  Thanks, Mark.

• 40:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, thank you, Mark. There will be food. Yes, there'll be food here. Luncheonette will be open. So there'll be food upstairs.

• 40:33Speaker 05

  Really good burgers.

• 40:34Speaker 02

  Great burgers.

• 40:35Speaker 05

  Stromi, whatever else they got. What was that other thing that I had up there?

• 40:39Speaker 02

  Reuben? Have you tried the Reuben?

• 40:41Speaker 05

  Reuben is really good.

• 40:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Another comment says, "Keep it up, guys." How many bands will be playing this weekend? It'll be two, right? You guys and Dancing Tommy. I'm a huge fan of Dancing Tommy.

• 40:52Speaker 05

  Love their energy.

• 40:53Speaker 02

  Great energy. You talk about, "Come have fun." Come have fun. Come and dance. And they're, they're amazing, amazing band. As well as Buddha's Beef. You guys, you guys will be there.

• 41:04Speaker 04

  Something tells me this won't be our last show with the Dancing Tommy.

• 41:06Speaker 02

  Oh, man, I hope not.

• 41:07Speaker 04

  I love those guys.

• 41:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:09Speaker 05

  So this song is called, "Purple Monkey."

• 41:11Speaker 02

  Purple Monkey.

• 41:11Speaker 05

  And it's on our next record, which we hope is coming out in the next two to three... Hopefully soon.

• 41:18Speaker 02

  In a while. Coming out. That's great.

• 41:20Speaker 05

  Soon, soon, soon. It's called Excellent Creatures, and it's coming out soon.

• 41:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, awesome.

• 41:25Speaker 05

  And here's one of the creatures.

• 41:27Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 41:30Speaker 05

  Well, I've got monkeys in the corner. And I've got monkeys in a can. Well, my mama was a junkie. But I'm just a monkey man.

• 41:59Speaker 05

  Gimme a beat.

• 42:03Speaker 05

  And sing. A purple monkey, fat and chunky. In the front seat of my car. We're the best of friends. Me and purple monkey will go far. Oh yes, we will. A purple monkey, he's been sneaky. He cut my break, the lines today.

• 42:41Speaker 05

  Some lines you don't cross. Does purple monkey want to play? Well. Other monkeys have tried to punk me. I just put them away.

• 43:05Speaker 05

  I lock them in their cubicles. They're so much quieter that way. Purple monkey is tapping phone lines. I heard the voices today. If he's trying to make me crazy, that purple monkey gonna play. Brown, brown monkey has never hurt me. Black monkey's kinda shy.

• 43:52Speaker 05

  But. Purple monkey is laying landmines. That purple monkey gonna die. Purple monkey, flat and chunky, in the trunk of my car. Well, I hear he's a spy. That purple monkey's gonna die. Oh, my. Well, that purple monkey's gonna die. Oh, my, my, my, my. Well, that purple monkey gonna die. Oh, my, my, my.

• 44:37Speaker 05

  That purple monkey gonna die.

• 44:42Speaker 04

  Two, three, four.

• 44:54Speaker 05

  Well, he's cutting brake lines. That purple monkey gonna die. He's topping phone lines. That purple monkey gonna die. He's laying landmines. Well, that purple monkey gonna die. He put a chip in my mind.

• 45:17Speaker 05

  That purple monkey's gonna die.

• 45:27Speaker 02

  Nice, guys, guys. Unbelievable. Love it, love it.

• 45:31Speaker 04

  A little different, a little different.

• 45:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, it seems like you have, I mean, that's, your music is varied. It's eclectic, right? Mont, you mentioned a reggae band. This wasn't reggae, but you do reggae, too.

• 45:48Speaker 04

  But there's a reggae beat to it.

• 45:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:51Speaker 04

  So, you know, reggae, a great example, I'm writing the song, Dogs of War, and I had written it as a ballad. And Paul hears it the first time, he goes, "Why don't you make it reggae?" It made the song better.

• 46:07Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 46:07Speaker 05

  Just a rhythmic appreciation.

• 46:08Speaker 04

  It's a rhythmic. Yeah, but he's the rhythm guy. So the approach to it changed the song and made it better.

• 46:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:17Speaker 04

  So if whenever you're doing a song where the lyrics are intelligent or something that's you can actually listen to and get something out of, reggae works.

• 46:25Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 46:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, reggae.

• 46:27Speaker 04

  You know.

• 46:28Speaker 02

  That's Sammy's.

• 46:29Speaker 04

  It's like a nice frame for that, you know.

• 46:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 46:32Speaker 05

  Same Bob.

• 46:33Speaker 02

  Again, they're joined by Buddha's Beef. They are going to be playing an evening with Buddha's Beef at the basement at Woolworths this coming Saturday, February 21st. Doors open at 6 o'clock, I believe. Tickets are still available. You can go online on Instagram or social media. There's where you can get tickets. And yeah, doors open at 6. Showtime at 7, starting with Dancing Tommy. And we're here with Monte Byrom and Paul South. You guys are, how do I say this? You're not in your 20s. You're not in your 20s anymore, but you are, you are, I get a vibe of like real, true passion and like youth, very youthful energy.

• 47:18Speaker 05

  No.

• 47:18Speaker 02

  Like, what is, like, what is going? Yeah, what's going on in your life?

• 47:26Speaker 04

  I want to know.

• 47:27Speaker 05

  Plenty of vegetables.

• 47:30Speaker 02

  I was gonna say, a nice way to say, how do you live so long?

• 47:35Speaker 05

  Well, actually, I'm 29.

• 47:37Speaker 02

  I was gonna say.

• 47:41Speaker 02

  Well, you gave it away when you said it was, you met in the 70s.

• 47:46Speaker 03

  But they also gave it away when they said passion.

• 47:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:49Speaker 03

  And what they do and what they love what they do and the 10,000. I didn't know about this rule of 10,000 before 21.

• 47:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:57Speaker 03

  I mean, I was a 25-year banker and I, I understand that you have to put in work to, to get really, really good at it. There are certain things I could do in my sleep, but I was very passionate about helping people and stuff. It sounds like you found your passion early.

• 48:12Speaker 05

  Musically, yes, and then later on, I became a clinical social worker and a therapist.

• 48:17Speaker 04

  Ah, a really good one.

• 48:19Speaker 05

  I do a lot of meditation practice. I'm not absolutely a Buddha Buddhist, but I do a lot of meditation practice, so I try to stay as calm as I can.

• 48:27Speaker 02

  I think I'm a big advocate of meditation, mindful mindfulness practice, and it seems like in the last five, 10 years, it's become so much more mainstream, thank goodness. I mean, the science backs it up, you know, just the benefits of being mindful and taking some time, you know, to not let your mind constantly be controlling you. And most of us can become enslaved to our thoughts very quickly.

• 48:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, we don't get owner's manuals, we just.

• 49:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's right.

• 49:01Speaker 03

  I gotta say this, I run 100 miles an hour, my brain probably does 200 miles an hour. And I'll tell you, I'll be honest, you sat next to me and I could feel the aura. I mean, your calmness is, you know, I could feel it. So it makes sense what you just said.

• 49:17Speaker 04

  He was always that way, even back in the Navy days when we were in the 70s up in San Francisco and trying to start a band. And at one point, we had a offer, I think a record deal with Jesse, with Capitol, we couldn't get out of the Navy.

• 49:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 49:33Speaker 04

  At one point, we tried, we said, well, how did those other guys get out? What did they say? Went to that lawyer and he said he could do a conscientious about.

• 49:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't remember.

• 49:43Speaker 04

  I don't remember.

• 49:43Speaker 05

  That was probably a good decision to finish that up.

• 49:45Speaker 04

  You guys wrote it out.

• 49:46Speaker 05

  For me, and get the GI Bill, that was a great idea.

• 49:48Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah, we had to have, well, we both used it, but Paul was always like the calm one. Like, you know, we're out, we were touring at 18, 19 years old, we were touring with no supervision.

• 50:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, that was not a good call.

• 50:05Speaker 02

  And here you are.

• 50:06Speaker 04

  You had to have somebody calm. You had to have somebody that would keep you in line, even though he wasn't even the boss. We were both like E2s or E3s.

• 50:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, we were just peons.

• 50:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, we were peons.

• 50:17Speaker 05

  We really were.

• 50:18Speaker 02

  But you were together. You had each other.

• 50:20Speaker 05

  It was fun, yeah.

• 50:21Speaker 02

  So you got another album coming out soon. How is it now like making an album, say, compared to making an album back in the 80s?

• 50:31Speaker 05

  For me, having spent some 17 years away from it, I love it now. I mean, it's all computer-based. To me, it sounds almost close to tape, so I'm fine with that.

• 50:42Speaker 02

  Good for you.

• 50:43Speaker 05

  The editing and the way you can do music now is just completely different.

• 50:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:48Speaker 05

  Really, I personally love it a lot.

• 50:49Speaker 02

  That's good. Yeah.

• 50:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, he can say that because he didn't have to go through the 25 years of, you know, Monty in a smoky, stinky studio with, you know, editing a piece of tape with a magnifying glass going, "I hope I did this right."

• 51:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, you got one try.

• 51:05Speaker 02

  Hey, but those were also the days where you didn't have to deal with streaming services, right? I mean, you had other problems, but...

• 51:12Speaker 04

  Well, that ended the business. I mean, streaming is what ended the business I grew up in. And it's okay.

• 51:17Speaker 02

  We can go farther back, as some would say, MTV and the music video is what killed the music business.

• 51:26Speaker 04

  I wouldn't go that far. I would say it killed music to a degree, MTV.

• 51:32Speaker 02

  Right. Essentially, it was kind of the streaming of its time because they were just, look, anybody who could put out a music video, all of a sudden, they were giving away their music for free for MTV to, you know, to show it. And then all of a sudden, you know, it's just only people are just paying attention to what's going on in MTV.

• 51:46Speaker 04

  My take on the whole MTV thing was, so there were all these great artists that we listened to in the 60s and 70s. Andrew Gold is a great example, who wrote my favorite songs and these brilliant records, and then made records for everyone from Linda Ronstadt on down. But the moment MTV came out, his butt wasn't tight enough. He didn't have the look. And that happened to so many artists that all of a sudden, it depended on your looks instead of your music.

• 52:16Speaker 02

  We're about to end right now, but want to invite everybody, come on down, get tickets, come see Buddha's Beef at the Woolworths. Also, tune in, we're coming back. So wherever you stream your music services, you'll find us there. In the meantime, be smart, be safe, always be money wise.

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