Your Home Might Be Destroying Your Health (& how to fix it) - Michael Feldstein - #1173

Michael Feldstein is the founder of Jaspr, an air education company featuring the Jaspr air scrubber. Expect to learn how the air in your home could be affecting your sleep and brain function, the everyday household products that might be making your air worse, why a home that smells clean might be anything but, what most people misunderstand about air purifiers, the simplest ways to improve your air quality for free, and much more... Sponsors: Get $300 off Jaspr for the next two weeks only at https://jaspr.co Get up to $350 off the Eight Sleep Pod 6 at https://eightsleep.com/modernwisdom Get a free bottle of D3K2, an AG1 Welcome Kit, and more when you first subscribe at https://ag1.info/modernwisdom Get the brand new Whoop 5.0 and your first month for free at https://join.whoop.com/modernwisdom Get up to $50 off the RP Hypertrophy App at https://rpstrength.com/modernwisdom See discounts for all the products I use and recommend: ⁠https://chriswillx.com/deals⁠ Get ChatGPT to explore ideas, solve problems, and learn faster at ⁠https://chatgpt.com Timestamps: (00:00) How Michael Got Into the Air Quality Business (07:04) The Hidden Dangers of Poor Air Quality (09:51) What Bad Air Is Doing to Your Health (17:35) What’s Really Polluting the Air in Your Home? (22:11) Where Does Your Indoor Air Actually Come From? (23:47) Why Air Quality Matters More Than You Think (31:54) Where Has the Cleanest and Most Polluted Air? (37:18) Are These Products Damaging Your Air Quality? (44:36) Are Scented Candles Bad for Your Health? (46:37) Who Is Most Vulnerable to Air Pollution? (48:52) How to Improve Your Home’s Air Quality for Free (50:38) Is AC Actually Doing Anything? (55:59) The Biggest Warning Signs of Poor Air Quality (58:57) How to Test the Air Quality in Your Home (01:03:35) The Science Behind Jaspr Air Scrubbers (01:10:09) Where Should You Place Your Air Purifier? (01:16:18) Find Out More About Jaspr Extra Stuff: Get my free reading list of 100 books to read before you die: ⁠https://chriswillx.com/books⁠ Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic: ⁠https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom⁠ Episodes You Might Enjoy: #577 - David Goggins - This Is How To Master Your Life: ⁠lnkfi.re/SN-Goggins⁠ #712 - Dr Jordan Peterson - How To Destroy Your Negative Beliefs: ⁠lnkfi.re/SN-Peterson⁠ #700 - Dr Andrew Huberman - The Secret Tools To Hack Your Brain: ⁠lnkfi.re/SN-Huberman⁠ - Get In Touch: Instagram: ⁠https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx⁠ Twitter: ⁠https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx⁠ YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast⁠ Email: ⁠https://chriswillx.com/contact⁠ - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

• 0:00Speaker 00

  So I've got a bunch of products here.

• 0:01Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 0:02Speaker 00

  That a lot of people will have in their homes. I want to get your opinion on. But first, before that, before we get to this, you walk into a hotel room. There's a street hooker. There's a bag of white powder, might be pure, might be cut, you don't know, and a potential mold problem. Which one are you most worried about?

• 0:23Speaker 01

  I guess I'm most interested, I'm most worried about the mold, man.

• 0:26Speaker 00

  It's what you're most interested in that might be something different.

• 0:28Speaker 01

  It's the thing I could least control if I have nowhere else to sleep that night. I could throw the bag away. I could ask the hooker to leave, but the mold is a little bit more difficult.

• 0:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think this air quality thing is one of the big three areas in health that everybody's going to be interested in over the next few years. Air quality, mold toxicity, light pollution, those are the big three for me. I think water quality was a big deal and now we're kind of getting to the peak of that. People understand they need clean water. How did you get started working in air quality? What's the story?

• 1:00Speaker 01

  Also, I totally agree with that and I feel like some things are trends, but some things, once the awareness raises, they don't go back the other direction. Like some things come and go, red lights are kind of popular now-ish, cold plunges, but like in 10 years, I'm not so sure.

• 1:15Speaker 00

  Agreed.

• 1:15Speaker 01

  Water filtration, once you start drinking clean water and then you taste, once you get the water awareness and you can taste the chlorine and the lead and you become water aware, there's no going back to not drinking filtered water. And air is the same way. I say the only thing that is rough for people about breathing clean air is you might become an air snob. And that might make it a little bit more difficult to navigate Airbnbs and hotels and people's homes. So I got into this by being in the disaster restoration business. So floods, fires, hurricanes, mold remediation. So I wasn't your like local flood guy that you call if there's a toilet leak. We were the ones who would fly to, you know, Hurricane Harvey or Alberta, Canada,

• 2:00Speaker 01

  or wildfires in California, going to the biggest disasters in the country and remediating. And the big moment for me, well, first of all, when you remediate for mold, what does it even mean to remediate? You need to isolate the contaminated space. You need to remove the physical mold and scrub the air. Those are the steps and you would always measure the air quality before, during and after. And some of the cleanest, freshest air I would ever breathe was after we were finishing a mold remediation job because we had scrubbed the air for four or five days. And then I'd go home and I'm like, hmm, it was cleaner at that job site. And the big moment for me, my aha air moment was in 2016 in Fort McMurray, Alberta,

• 2:44Speaker 01

  biggest wildfire in Canadian history. All 100,000 people in the entire town were evacuated for a month. We went there and everyone's homes were so smoke drenched. So it wasn't fire damage, it was smoke damage. But the such significant smoke damage that your entire home had to be gutted and cleaned. And what was unique about this was when the, it wasn't just the, it wasn't just smores and campfire. When you had the 5,000 homes that burnt and the cars, every chemical, paint, drywall, the materials that were combusting in those created a very toxic smoke. So we go into people's homes, we'd clean them, we'd restore them, it could take weeks, it could take a month.

• 3:26Speaker 01

  But this one time, we finished cleaning a home, we got a call a week later, baby was in the hospital. We go back to the house, we test the air, like, ah, it's actually really recontaminated again. Then we go, whenever you're testing air, you always test outside and inside. If anyone's ever testing air just inside, they do not know what they're doing. You always need to take a control sample of the outdoor ambient air and compare that to the indoor air in that moment. That's how we have the delta.

• 3:49Speaker 00

  Cause otherwise you could just have bad air in the local environment. Like if you'd taken an air quality reading during the fires, you'd have been like, the air inside's horrible. It's like, yeah, so is the air outside, it's just the same.

• 4:00Speaker 01

  You know, you're not supposed to do mold testing like 48 to 72 hours after a rain, but no company adheres to that because it would, so a lot of people, they get mold testing. The results are in the millions. You look, it rained the day before, like, did they do a control sample? If they didn't, of course there's mold spores in the air. Doesn't mean your home is contaminated, it's just what was in the air that day. So we go in there, we check the outdoor air, very contaminated. After a bad wildfire, the air can stay bad for four, five, six months. Gets in the soil, it's the homes that are burnt, it's in the ash. So we called the insurance company, we're like, hey, guys, Tanya's home is recontaminated. I suggest she moves, leaves, she and her family have to leave town, wait in a hotel room.

• 4:42Speaker 01

  Let's wait till the ambient air is good, do a re-clean, then her family can move back. So insurance said, no way, Jose, the check is already on the way to you guys. She signed off like, our job is done. Well, that sucks because we have a sick baby here and insurance is like, we're done. So what we did is we left four of our big industrial air scrubbers in Tanya's home. And about two, three hours later, the air was good. Downside, it was a little bit loud, there was these machines running, but the air was good. So we left them there for a few weeks, a month or so, and this kept happening. So we're bringing, leaving our scrubbers behind on job sites because you clean the home, but now we have to maintain that because it keeps getting recontaminated. And insurance is not going to do a re-clean.

• 5:25Speaker 01

  So I'm like, wait, this is really expensive and we need our equipment for the job sites. I can't remember if it was a Best Buy or a Walmart or a Home Depot, but I went out and I bought a bunch of little air purifiers, the regular ones you see for two, three, $400. Most of them are very similar and I left five or six in the home, tested the air again a few hours later, totally contaminated again. I'm like, oh, I didn't know much about portable air purifiers at that time, but they're kind of little, small toys, they don't do much. And I'm like, whoa. I was living in Ontario at the time in Toronto and west coast, I'm talking to people, they're like, we have smoke several days every year, but it only takes one or two days of the smoke to pass through your city for your home to be drenched. Once that smoke's passed through, it's absorbing into the chairs, into the carpets, into the drywall.

• 6:09Speaker 01

  The smell part's gone and you get used to it, but the contaminants stay behind. So I was like, whoa, we need something more significant than these air purifiers. Forget these huge fires, but just for anywhere that's dealing with smoke. So it was clear to me, these air scrubbers, super effective. Downside, very loud, very ugly. Little air purifiers, cheap, small, cute, don't do anything. So I'm like, we really need an air scrubber that looks good, it's quiet, it's pretty. So I called the restoration, it was like, it was sad work. So I'm like, and it wasn't impactful, we cleaned the homes and they're recontaminated. So I thought the most impactful thing I could do is take what I've learned from years in restoration with the floods, the fires and the mold,

• 6:49Speaker 01

  and create a scrubber that's actually designed, that looks pretty, that's quiet, that people would want in their home. Cause I put, I brought a scrubber home one day and Rachel, my wife is like, get that thing out of the house. Like, I don't care what the air is like, we're not leaving that thing in the room. And that began my, my air journey.

• 7:04Speaker 00

  Let's say that someone's got their exercise and their sleep dialed in. How much could they be leaving on the table by ignoring air quality?

• 7:12Speaker 01

  Well, let's just anchor with this. You can go three weeks without food, three days without water and three minutes without air. The first thing you do when you take a, when you're born, you take that first breath. The last thing you do before you die is you take that last breath. Out of the air, water, food are three big intakes that are keeping us alive every day. The only one we do when we sleep is breathe. And us humans are really good at getting acclimated to uncomfortable, toxic environments. With water, it's like, we're thirsty, go drink, you're hungry, go get food. But air, it's kind of just omnipresent because we're doing it subconsciously, we're not paying attention. Once you start getting conscious about your breathing, you're like, whoa, this breathing thing is quite interesting. So that's, that's the amount of time you can survive without the three.

• 7:58Speaker 01

  In terms of, I'll speak in liters, you breathe about 17,000 liters of air per day. If you're a good water drinker, you're drinking two liters of water, maybe two pounds of food in a day. They say about 70% of all the detox in your body happens in your lungs. So just to level set what our bodies are running off of, like, we got some drinks here, but I don't need them. I'm not going to eat for the next hour or so, but we ain't going to stop breathing. And I think that is why we don't pay any attention to it. And I think air awareness lags, it was lagging water quality, I feel like by about 20 years. I think since COVID, it feels more like 10 years. I'm trying to condense that timeline a little bit here. But it's the biggest thing, man, when you sleep, I call air sleep fuel. During the day, I call it thinking fuel because it's the only thing that's actually keeping us going.

• 8:44Speaker 01

  And yeah, you can run on mediocre air quality, but if you're in a room where it's like hot or stuffy or it stinks, your sleep sucks. And when you flip that and you're breathing in a clean air sanctuary, I think sleep is the number one thing to dial in. So if your air quality, it's like, when you go to the mountains, you're like, ah, I'm breathing deeply, I'm breathing effortlessly. When it's humid and polluted, you're, you're naturally restricted in your breathing, you're breathing, your breath pattern is short. And then even when you leave, it stays a little bit short, that becomes your new normal. So the cleaner and the fresher the air, the more at ease you are to actually breathe. So it calms your nervous system down, it helps you sleep better. If you're sleeping better, you're recovering better. If you're recovering better, you're performing better, whether that's athletics, academics, your work or whatever it may be.

• 9:27Speaker 01

  So allergies, snoring, all of it, air is the thing we live off of, so.

• 9:32Speaker 00

  It's interesting, I think a lot of people will be thinking about the trait and the state. So what is it doing to my performance in the moment? And then what is it maybe going to accumulate to cause systemically? Maybe there'd be some disease, maybe I'm going to get some, some biomarkers that are going to start to be, be bad. My long-term health's going to suffer. What are the big worries when it comes to short-term performance from poor air quality and long-term health impacts from poor air quality?

• 10:00Speaker 01

  So short-term performance, we're, we're really going deep down the rabbit hole, but here's a few, three big studies that were like, whoa, for me. And the fun thing about air is it's not really talked about, but it's massively researched. Like if you type in like air quality, blank, whether it's fertility, asthma, cognitive performance, sleep, the like Harvard and MIT, the big universities who have done massive studies, it's all there. So they did a lot of studies on umpires in baseball. And you know, when the, the ball strike happens and they show you on the screen and they're wrong often. And you're like, can't believe this is still.

• 10:34Speaker 00

  Blows my, blows my mind that that sport still doesn't have some AI.

• 10:38Speaker 01

  We have self-driving cars, but the umps are still manual.

• 10:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:43Speaker 01

  So the quality, the accuracy of the umpire's call accuracy is directly correlated to the air quality that day.

• 10:51Speaker 01

  Two is grandmasters in chess. Game theory optimal means like the chess player is playing a perfect next move. The game theory optimal performance was dramatically affected by air quality and so are SAT scores. So that speaks to the acute performance of your cognitive performance.

• 11:08Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 11:08Speaker 01

  So, and when we're talking about air, we're talking about fresh air and clean air. So you can have, if you think about being in like an elevator with 12 people going up a big building or you're in an office, or you're at like a party and there's 30 people in a home, you're like, I gotta get outside. That's like the feeling of stuffy. Stuffy means high carbon dioxide. The CO2 is high, your brain's not working good. So that's short term. Same thing applies to, and like if that's what's happening to the umpire, what's happening to the guy throwing the pitch? What's happening to the guy swinging the bat? It's the very thing that you're operating from. So the short term, I love those three studies.

• 11:44Speaker 00

  Okay. Well, just for the people that are listening, we have these sensors in front of us, an Aranet four, which you kindly gave me. And this is tracking primarily CO2?

• 11:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what it's for.

• 11:54Speaker 00

  Okay. So at nine 73, which is on the upper end of what's okay. But that means that if me and you start talking gibberish, we'll be able to look at the different component parts here and find out, oh, 295 parts per billion VOCs. Anyway, we've got lots of sensors and stuff.

• 12:09Speaker 01

  By the way, I was really excited that the first time we came to your house to bring some Jaspers by, your whole house was nerded out. You already had another air filter brand. You had air monitors in all the rooms.

• 12:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 12:19Speaker 01

  So like seeing that offline, I'm like, yes, like.

• 12:22Speaker 00

  Well, you're talking to someone who's spent the last two and a bit years of his life trying to regain his health after basically being infected with poor air quality. Like that, you know, the, the house that I was in previously, yeah, it'll have been stuff that was in the water and the pipes and all the rest of it. But this is incredibly personal to me and I've managed to find like the grand wizard of air quality who just happens to live in the same city as me. So anyway, your short term performance, people are less accurate, their cognition is impacted. Most of this has been done on people that are doing cognitive tasks, but presumably when we get into physical tasks, emotional regulation, all of this stuff is probably going to be impacted too in the short term.

• 12:59Speaker 01

  We've Jasperized a lot of the city of Austin. So if you go to Jiu Jitsu gyms and a lot of the gyms.

• 13:04Speaker 00

  Dude, it's in Rogan's green room. Your filter is, your filter is in Rogan's green room. I walked in the other day, I was like, oh, there it is.

• 13:09Speaker 01

  And that one works hard.

• 13:10Speaker 00

  I fucking bet it, yeah, there's a lot of.

• 13:11Speaker 01

  That one works hard.

• 13:12Speaker 00

  Substances for it to, yeah, that's the Navy SEAL of, that's the tip of the spear of air quality.

• 13:17Speaker 01

  We texted them the other day. We're like, one is not enough, guys. We're constantly getting photos of that thing in the red all the time.

• 13:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. All right. So what about long term? What's happening to long term health?

• 13:25Speaker 01

  So the last thing for short term, I would just say sleep. So we did, I'll be careful about my word, my usage of the word steady. This was a community led experiment where we gave 150 people Jaspers who didn't filter their air before. They were using either Aura or Whoop. And we did one month, so it was four weeks. The first week, no air filter, tracking your sleep. Weeks two and three, Jasper on in the bedroom, fan speed three. Week four, Jasper's off again. And then everybody sent us their, their data. We analyzed it, the average.

• 14:00Speaker 00

  Cause they were using some sort of track, like a Whoop or.

• 14:02Speaker 01

  Whoop and Aura.

• 14:03Speaker 00

  Similar, right?

• 14:03Speaker 01

  Yeah. So the average person slept 25 minutes more per night, 18% deeper sleep, and they fell asleep five minutes faster.

• 14:10Speaker 00

  So week one and week four would have been similar. Weeks two and week three would have been similar, but the change would have been up and then down. Dude, that's such a fucking cool study. I'm aware, maybe it's not lab randomized controlled trial-y thing, but um, that's fucking awesome. We should do something similar to that. We should come up with a way that we should, that we could run a bigger version of that test.

• 14:31Speaker 01

  I'd like to do it in the spring, maybe when allergies are really bad here.

• 14:34Speaker 00

  Oh, that'd be cool. Anyway, let's come up with an idea. I think that's fucking sick. We should come up with a way that we can, we can do that.

• 14:39Speaker 01

  We will. So, and the cool thing was, so everybody had to give us their data and they had to, they had to be okay to not be anonymous. Because I'm like, no one's going to trust the study. If you like, you have to be willing to put your name on it. So it was man, woman, all kinds of ages, doctors, scientists, teachers. Like we had a wide range of people. So that was the first, like, I like to, that's like, um, you know, a beta test study. Before we go into a big study, like let's experiment in ourselves.

• 15:07Speaker 00

  Cool.

• 15:08Speaker 01

  So it's a big deal for sleep. 30% of people, once again, this is like our own data, stop snoring, who snore. And of the other 70%, more than half of them dramatically reduced their snoring. What am I like, man, when we started this, I never imagined in a million years, we get emails from women all the time being like, we were sleep divorced for years. We bought the Jasper because of some allergies and now my husband can come back into the bedroom again.

• 15:36Speaker 00

  Oh my God. You've saved the sex lives of a few hundred thousand Americans. That's funny.

• 15:41Speaker 01

  So that's like kind of the short term. Naturally, if your sleep, your sleep is the leading indicator of all kinds of long term stuff. So, you know, with all the toxins in our body, it's like, our bodies are so resilient. We can handle stuff in an, in an acute setting. Also, like when we test the, in Austin, anyone who gets a Jasper, we go to their homes, they don't even know we're in Austin. But when they make an order, we either call them or text them and we hand deliver the Jasper. We test the air before and after.

• 16:08Speaker 00

  Right.

• 16:09Speaker 01

  So we test a lot of air.

• 16:10Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 16:11Speaker 01

  And the coolest thing, Austin is a significantly, it's a big, it's a big allergy season. Like it's a thing that we talk about here, cedar fever.

• 16:18Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 16:19Speaker 01

  So a lot of people go to zero or massively reduced allergy symptoms. Because we can handle some mold. You can walk down the road when they're like paving and breathe like asphalt and toxins for a minute. When we test people's bedrooms, often the pollen levels on your pillow or in your bed are higher than outside because they come inside and then they stay in your house.

• 16:43Speaker 00

  They've got somewhere to settle.

• 16:44Speaker 01

  They stay there. They stay in the porous materials. Anything that can get wet from water can also be, you know, permeated by air. So if we have a sealed surface, like when I'm doing restoration, if we have like sealed wood like this, we can restore this all day long. We just wipe it clean. But if it's porous, like drywall, like carpets, like insulation, a lot of furniture.

• 17:02Speaker 00

  Soft furnishings.

• 17:03Speaker 01

  The bottom is unsealed.

• 17:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 17:06Speaker 01

  And then that permeates. So anything that can get wet will also permeate by smoke. So you can handle some pollen for an hour or two in the day and not really impact you. The problem is you're breathing it in 24 hours a day. So when you can turn your bedroom into a clean air sanctuary, right now, the average home, the indoor air is five to 10 times dirtier than the outdoor air.

• 17:23Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 17:24Speaker 01

  When you flip it, I can tell you in your house, the air is like 10 times cleaner than the outdoor. So your home, it's called home. It should be, it should be this place, this abode where you come to like, heal and recover.

• 17:35Speaker 00

  What are the biggest concerns when it comes to air quality inside of the home? Obviously we've got some things in front of us like CO2, VOCs, mold, allergies. Or like, what are the things that you're talking about? We talk about air quality. What are the constituent parts, the macronutrients?

• 17:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. Good idea. And this will, this will incorporate some tips, like through this, there'll be some tips that you can implement immediately. So shoes indoors, very bad. The average shoe tested, 95% of shoes tested have fecal matter on them. Fancy word for poo. If they have poo, they probably have glyphosate as well.

• 18:07Speaker 00

  Sorry, sorry, sorry. 95% of shoes have got poop on them.

• 18:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. Cause you walk outside, dog's poo outside. You, you never wash the bottom of your shoe, like ever.

• 18:17Speaker 00

  But how much is this? Like surely this isn't an amount that could be big enough to cause an impact on someone's health.

• 18:23Speaker 01

  But like a little poo, a little glyphosate, whatever else you walked on, rubber from tires, like your shoes accumulate a lot of stuff out there. Then you're walking around your carpets. So then it's permeating into the, into the home. And then every time you walk on it, you should see, like, I'll show you later. We do something called the disturbed carpet sample. We can maybe do one before I leave today. We smack the carpet with the particle counter and it's like millions and millions of particles. So the same thing's happening kind of every time you're walking on it.

• 18:47Speaker 00

  Okay. And what is that? That's like biological material?

• 18:50Speaker 01

  Well, it's a little bit of everything. It's everything from mold spores, dead skin cells, hair, pollution, pollen. So speaking of like the home, so we got the shoes.

• 19:00Speaker 00

  Cool.

• 19:00Speaker 01

  Cooking, cooking's a big one. So even if you're using organic avocado oil, which I think avocado oil is not in anymore. But if you got good oil or beef tallow, beef tallow is still good. Grass fed, grass finished steak, still good.

• 19:13Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 19:13Speaker 01

  So even if you're cooking with great ingredients on a great pan, the, the high heat and the proteins create something called PAH, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons. So when I was testing homes after fires, we're always looking for hexavalen chromium and PAH. So even though those two things by themselves are good, the chemical reaction of the heat really contaminates your home. So, you know, you smell all the bacon on all the cooking smells great, but even when the smell passes, those, those reactions are still embedded into your home.

• 19:41Speaker 00

  Right.

• 19:42Speaker 01

  And most people aren't using their range hoods and.

• 19:45Speaker 00

  The fan extractor above the stove.

• 19:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a good idea. Opening windows or using your range hood is a good idea. Like we've only started cooking indoors very recently. We've only created indoors very recently. Imagine going back a thousand years ago and trying to explain the concept of insight. Like we built these little Tupperware containers that we live in. The average American spends ninety five percent of their time indoors. Like, we're like in these Tupperware boxes now, you know, mold doesn't really grow outside. Dust isn't really outside. These are indoor problems. Outside, we have the sun, the wind, the rain, the trees. That is like nature's air purifier. That's taking care of the outdoor environment. We build these tight homes. We leave nature outside. So the problem is, the best example is if you think about a river or a stream flowing water, that's typically pretty clean water.

• 20:32Speaker 01

  But as soon as it stagnates, that pond gets the algae, it gets the bacteria. Life wants to move, water wants to move, air wants to move. So we got cooking, we got the shoes. Then we have all the chemicals that we're using, the hairspray, the Fabreeze, the Glade plugins, the, all the candles, the incense, some of the stuff here. The other one is the building materials themselves. So like, I think part of the reason I'm on this planet is to eventually build homes better. So homes are built way too tight. They don't breathe. And think about your home, the outside is like the river, and then your home is like the pond. So if your home can't breathe, the people in the home can't breathe. And since the seventies, the energy crisis, they changed all the building codes to make homes super tight, to be energy efficient.

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• 22:33Speaker 01

  Well, let's think about a, a water bottle or a Tupperware container. We don't have to poke very many holes into it for it to fill up with water, especially when it lives in the water. Because, also, how cool is this? They say the breathable, like, us humans, we need a very particular blend of air to survive, like a very specific composition. If we hike ten thousand feet or more, we can't really survive there very well. If we go underwater, we can't survive. They say if the earth is an apple, the breathable area is the skin on the apple. So it's just thin little layer that we can survive in. But our homes are in that layer. So because our homes are in it, just like if you took a bottle or something, you put

• 23:14Speaker 01

  it in, submerge it in water, you know, there's water resistant and then there's like waterproof, but even very tight things. So how does the air get into your home? Windows, doors, even closed windows and closed doors, it gets in. Your attic, because your home has to breathe, it has vents, right? Your bathroom has vents, your stove has a vent, your attic has vents. So every little leaky spot of a home, there's something that you can do called the blower door test. So any way that your home is venting out, that's where the air is coming in. And it's like a pressurized container.

• 23:46Speaker 00

  Okay, okay, that's interesting. So what about CO2? We talked about that, like, some of the things that are kind of particulates inside of the home, but this is you recycling the air yourself inside of it.

• 24:00Speaker 01

  I think CO2, like the way we have sports stickers, I'm walking around the airport and like the mall or down the street, I see sports scores everywhere. Like, the CO2 should be that present.

• 24:10Speaker 00

  Because people, I found this out this morning from the guys, there's people taking these R andets through the airport and waving them around and being like, oh, I thought that I needed to be worried when I was outside, it turns out the airport's killing me.

• 24:21Speaker 01

  The airplane too.

• 24:22Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 24:24Speaker 01

  So carbon dioxide, you know, us humans, we breathe in oxygen, we breathe out CO2. Trees and plants, they do the opposite. The outdoor carbon dioxide is about four hundred and sixty to about five hundred. So indoor is like six hundred to eight hundred, decent. Once you get above a thousand, it's okay still, but that's when the brain fog starts to kick in a little bit. At two thousand, now we're really gonna start feeling it. And at three thousand, you're like, I'm exhausted, I can't think. So this is what, like, people are, when you talk about, like, when most people hear about climate change, they're thinking about things like natural disasters, which doesn't really like freak them out that much, like, eh, it won't happen here once in a while.

• 25:07Speaker 01

  When I started monitoring air quality in twenty fourteen, it was about three ninety five, the outdoor CO2. It's four sixty now, so.

• 25:17Speaker 00

  Just the ambient CO2 PPM has gone up by like ten, twenty percent. Wow.

• 25:23Speaker 01

  And there's a huge difference between a four hundred, it feels like, and six hundred and eight hundred. So imagine.

• 25:28Speaker 00

  We noticed that, sorry for interrupting, we noticed that inside of the studio, because we've got these things everywhere. And this, in order to make it sound good for everyone at home, you can see on the ceiling, well, no one else can see on the ceiling, but you can, there's all of these sound deadening panels. This is as hermetically sealed as we can, double cavity insulated from the outside. We go to Rogan's studio, he's on a floating floor, like you would get in Rick Rubin's music studio or whatever, the whole floor is double walled off the ground so that you have like deadening, so that you're not actually hitting the foundation. And then you open his door and his door is double thickness, we've just gone for single thickness here. But anyway, all of this stuff, and we noticed, if I have a roundtable episode with four people and we're three hours deep, we can't open the door because light comes in, sound

• 26:11Speaker 00

  comes in from outside, it's a bit of a mess. I'm like, fuck, I have this choice between somewhere that is well sound deadened, so that it does the job of being a podcast studio, or somewhere that can circulate air really well, so that the people that are in here don't get a ton of brain fog as well. And this will get up to, I think we've hit like eighteen hundred before, but we've got, we've got pretty high, especially with four people plus producer, maybe there's some people coming in and out, you're like, fuck, like, all right, the whole goal of everyone being here is to think and speak clearly, and because we're all here breathing the air, you're now limiting the ability to, for, for people to be.

• 26:46Speaker 01

  My commitment to you, and I'm very close, I'm probably about two or three weeks from a perfect solution, I've been speaking to everybody, because we're, we're building a little podcast studio in town, it's gonna be called Clean Air Studios. You, you might have it before us. So what we're gonna be able to do is put a little air exchanger all the way on the other side, because what happens is, if we put the ventilation in here, that would ruin everything.

• 27:08Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  It's gonna go the opposite side out there and then pull the air slowly and quietly. So it will not impact your sound at all, and it's gonna just be a slow, gentle exhalation. So that's our commitment.

• 27:21Speaker 00

  It's either that or I put a fucking rainforest in here and just have a shit ton of foliage and plants.

• 27:27Speaker 01

  And then the humidity and the mold would take us out.

• 27:29Speaker 00

  Oh my god. Well, look, okay, so this is, this is something that I think probably a lot of people are maybe feeling, and I know that I did, like, oh, is this another thing? Is this more burden for me to consider with my life? I am trying to avoid ultra-processed foods and seed oils and blue forty and red five and colors and, oh my god, I gotta go to the gym and do my VO2 max training and my HIIT and then I've gotta get strengthened and I need to make sure that my vitamin B12's right. And now you're telling me that I've got this other arduous bit of homework on top. Like, in a world filled with Cheetos, how much are people majoring in the minors when it comes to air?

• 28:12Speaker 00

  And how much do you think actually this, this should be in the bucket of stuff that you care a lot about?

• 28:16Speaker 01

  Dude, that's why I have dedicated my life to this mission, because I don't have or like to exercise willpower ever. I believe that your environment tells you how to feel. So if we hang out on the dock or in the mountains, good luck being stressed there. You know, go to a spa, you hear the, the flowing water and the gentle music and the nice light and the wood and the stone, you feel great. Go to a place that's like bright and loud, black and pink walls, a dentist office, like, you're gonna be stressed. It's like, good luck getting relaxed if it's like loud or hot or polluted. It's way easier, like, I will never try to work if I'm not in an optimal work environment. I'm like, let's just fix the environment.

• 29:00Speaker 01

  Instead of trying to like, take all my sleep pills and all, whatever people do, I'm like, let me just get a really good bed, get it cool, dial in the environment, it's the laziest way to be healthy, is to control your environment, you know? Move to a city that you thrive in, go to an environment where you feel amazing, have a bedroom that is conducive to supporting you, have a kid's schools and a classroom that makes you feel good, as soon as you walk in, you feel calm. So yeah, people are massively majoring in the minors, and I love that phrase. You know, like, I think taking care of air, water, lighting, these are easy passive things.

• 29:34Speaker 00

  Once you've done it, you don't need to think about it again.

• 29:37Speaker 01

  No. And like, is water one of those things? I don't want to be ignorant to water and still drink the hose water and still drink top water. It was like a little bit of awareness, and I got a water filter at home and I changed the filter twice a year. And when I go out, I buy a bottle of water and if it's seven dollars for the glass one, I'll take that one. If I reverse osmosis, I'll add some electrolytes back to it. Like, easy. The, the majoring in the minors is perfect because people want to sell people stuff. So they make all these things, and it's not that those things aren't true and those things can't be seriously impactful. There was a study done in the UK, actually. If someone types in BBC microplastics air study, a hundred percent of homes tested

• 30:19Speaker 01

  positive for microplastics in the dust, and dust is a good way to sample your air. Ninety-eight percent of all samples had really high levels of microplastics. Then they partnered up with a lab and they, when they were, people were getting biopsies done, a hundred percent of people's lungs had microplastics in them. And they say the average person breathes about one credit card worth of microplastics each week.

• 30:41Speaker 01

  So I haven't done the comparison, but I believe that people are breathing way more microplastics than they are drinking them because it's not a thing. You know, air is so abundant, it's free. Um, you go outside, it's pretty good outside still, even in a polluted place, fresh air is still generally solid. So I think like eighty twenty basics. If you can have clean air when you sleep, clean water when you're drinking and don't use lights, artificial lights before sunrise or after sunset. Let's start there. And then once you want to have clean air everywhere and your bath and your shower and your pool and deck out your whole home with red lights, go for it. But these three simple things where the environment set up a couple little red light bulbs, a

• 31:25Speaker 01

  salt lamp off Amazon for fifty bucks, a countertop water filter for your drinking.

• 31:29Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 31:29Speaker 01

  And like zero to one is always the biggest step. Also, by the way, you can make an incredible air filter for sixty to a hundred and twenty dollars with Home Depot parts. Type in DIY air filter. Corsi Rosenthal box is like the most popular design, but it takes a few hours. The downside is it's kind of ugly and loud and it doesn't have a sensor in it. But I'd way rather people do that than buy a little plastic box from the store that doesn't work. So these three things.

• 31:54Speaker 00

  I want to get on to some ways people can do this for free around the home, but I've found this stat.

• 31:58Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 31:58Speaker 00

  Ninety nine percent of the world's population lives in places where air pollution exceeds WHO guideline limits. But how much do different cities compare in air quality? Like everyone knows that Los Angeles has got smog, but how much of that smog actually sort of finds its way into homes and lungs? What about I hear that Miami and Florida's really bad? Obviously Austin's pretty, I don't know about the rest of the world. What are the more dangerous places in your experience?

• 32:26Speaker 01

  So, you know, I used to, I travel now. One of my major considerations when I travel is air quality. Like Mexico City looks like a beautiful place with a big vibrant culture, but I'm not going to go there more than a day or two. And I'm going to be scrubbing my air when I sleep. Um, Bangkok, Delhi, Beijing, like there's a lot of cities with bad air. Now in America, um, it's very regional, but everywhere has its problem. Like you can kind of run, but you can't hide. So yeah, Florida, you're dealing with a lot of mold. Also hotels in particular, they're penny wise, pound foolish. So they turn off the AC when the guest leaves. So now that there's no airflow, you get a bunch of mold accumulating.

• 33:06Speaker 00

  Right.

• 33:07Speaker 01

  And now they're gutting hotels. So like Florida is mold central. Um, Austin has a lot of mold. Part of that's because of the humidity. Part of that's because the homes in Texas are built so poorly.

• 33:18Speaker 00

  Right.

• 33:19Speaker 01

  So you have these attics and then all of the HVAC. So I grew up in Canada, we had basements. We put all the furnaces in the AC in the basement. Here they're in the attic. So you have, it's like a hundred and five degrees out. You have seventy degree cool air blowing through the, the, the, the ducting, but the ambient air in the HVAC's a hundred and five degrees. Well, condensation, guys, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip. So everyone's attic has so much mold.

• 33:44Speaker 00

  Right.

• 33:44Speaker 01

  Like everyone's, the homes are built so bad. Also, they use flexible ducting here in Texas. I'd never heard of flexible ducting. You only have rigid metal, solid sheet metal, mechanical.

• 33:53Speaker 00

  Easy to clean.

• 33:54Speaker 01

  You can clean it. If you try to clean the flexible duct, the rotor rips it open and now you're, you can't even duck clean it anymore. Um, Arizona, a lot of people moved to the desert being like, haha, I'm getting away from mold. I see some of the most mold toxicity in Arizona.

• 34:10Speaker 00

  Why?

• 34:11Speaker 01

  Two reasons. Number one, all that desert sand used to be underwater. So that there's ancient mold in that desert sand. Then you get the haboobs that blow through.

• 34:21Speaker 00

  The what?

• 34:21Speaker 01

  It's called a haboob. It's a dust storm.

• 34:23Speaker 00

  Okay. I think Sydney Sweeney had some of that.

• 34:27Speaker 01

  But also because the relative humidity is only like twenty percent outside, it's so dry that you have no exposure to it all. So you get a little bit of a leak and then you have this huge flare up. So some of the most like the functional medicine doctors that we work with that specialize in mold, Arizona is actually a hotbed. Not because it's in the outdoor air, but because you have this cool, moist box inside a dry area and you have a home, it still leaks.

• 34:52Speaker 00

  What about the best air? Where have you been that's typically, because I think about the UK and you're right on the building material thing. The UK, at the very least, our homes are built out of brick as opposed to wood and then cavity insulation with organic material that while it's being built, it gets rained on and then it gets heated and then it gets rained on and it gets heated. And you've basically baked in wet organic material into the skeleton of your, of your house. And that's now next to all of this like fibrous insulation. And now who knows what's going to happen? So where's the best?

• 35:26Speaker 01

  The best air I've ever breathed was Costa Rican rainforest. Very good.

• 35:31Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 35:31Speaker 01

  Um, Vancouver Island, very good. Also, I had my carbon dioxide detector out there and it was like ten percent less than the rest of the world.

• 35:40Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 35:41Speaker 01

  In the rainforest. That's why when you walk by trees, even like here on Ladybird Lake, like soon as you go under with the trees, you like feel that cool freshness. Cause like they're breathing on you. So it's like a localized air filtration system.

• 35:52Speaker 00

  Do you ever see those studies done that people who grew like pumpkins, like prize winning pumpkins and watermelons and different plants and stuff like that? They said that singing to the plants caused them to grow more effectively. And then people realized if they did a study, it was just that people were breathing on the plants so much that they were getting additional CO2. It was so, he could have just been like, oh, oh, but instead he's singing them some beautiful operatic.

• 36:19Speaker 01

  So the next test has to be breath work versus song.

• 36:21Speaker 00

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  back. Right now you can get twenty percent off a welcome kit and that ninety day money back guarantee by going to the link in the description below or heading to drinkag1.com/modernwisdom. That's drinkag1.com slash modern wisdom. Uh, okay. So I want to show you some products that people probably typically have.

• 37:23Speaker 01

  They do have them.

• 37:24Speaker 00

  So we've got uh, incense sticks. How do you feel about those?

• 37:27Speaker 01

  I like them outside.

• 37:28Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 37:29Speaker 01

  Um, yeah, the, you can't really combust stuff in your home and expect that not to pollute your home. So I like the vibes. I like the smell. I would not like them in my home. If I was going to, I would be scrubbing my air, opening my windows, but no bueno.

• 37:44Speaker 00

  Okay. Uh, what about like bug killer and stuff like this?

• 37:47Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 37:48Speaker 00

  Okay. No.

• 37:49Speaker 01

  No.

• 37:50Speaker 00

  No.

• 37:50Speaker 01

  Also, if you are going to use these stuff, here, we'll get to the other stuff.

• 37:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 37:53Speaker 01

  Bug killer, no.

• 37:54Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 37:55Speaker 01

  Uh, just read this stuff.

• 37:57Speaker 00

  Uh, so hairspray, Tresemme hairspray, like extra hold, stuff like that, because people want to look good. They're going to have to use these products somewhere. You don't want bugs in your house, right? Like how am I going to get rid of the bugs? How am I going to get my hair to look nice?

• 38:09Speaker 01

  So these are like, and also we still want to enjoy life. We all have to make our decisions.

• 38:14Speaker 00

  And again, not get so autistically obsessed with each individual small thing that we don't ever feel like we can move without killing something.

• 38:22Speaker 01

  I feel like the sickest people I typically know are often the most health aware. They're perpetual healers. So they like heal something. It's kind of like a gift to humanity, honestly. They like figure out one problem and then they obsess over the next one. And the neuroticness, that stress keeps them constantly sick.

• 38:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:39Speaker 01

  They're always like, what is the thing to optimize? They focus on it and they kind of manifest it for themselves. What was an unexpected um, constant benefit consequence with Jasper because it has sensors on it. Um, when people use their hairspray, it kicks up.

• 38:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:54Speaker 01

  So.

• 38:54Speaker 00

  Every morning mine goes mad at me when I spray my deodorant. It goes fucking crazy.

• 38:58Speaker 01

  So depending on the products you use, if you're using better products, it will react less. So.

• 39:03Speaker 00

  Oh, that's funny.

• 39:04Speaker 01

  Yeah. So it becomes like a, a lot of like the low tox, non tox influencers that use their Jasper has their little like, which product is the most toxic?

• 39:14Speaker 00

  Oh, that's funny. Okay. What about uh, stuff like this?

• 39:16Speaker 01

  But if you're, if you're going to use the hairspray and stuff, I would recommend if you can do it outside. If you can't, open a window and then if not, go in a bathroom and leave the bathroom fan on.

• 39:25Speaker 00

  Okay. Um, so this is like a bathroom, bathroom air freshener.

• 39:31Speaker 01

  I'm glad you pulled this one up.

• 39:33Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 39:34Speaker 01

  This is a fragrance.

• 39:35Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 39:36Speaker 01

  So everybody's got these Glade plugins for Breeze. It's not about the brand, fragrances.

• 39:40Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 39:41Speaker 01

  Get this, the fragrance market in America. So by fragrances, I mean the air pollution industry, the indoor air polluting, fragrances. It's about a $7 billion market in America. Air filtration is about a $3.5 billion industry. So the indoor air polluting industry is double the air filtration.

• 39:57Speaker 00

  You're outnumbered.

• 39:58Speaker 01

  We're gonna, we're gonna flip it.

• 40:01Speaker 01

  Nothing worse than getting into an Uber with the Christmas tree of death.

• 40:03Speaker 00

  This is what I was thinking about. So that's from one of the guys that works here. That's from his car. That's from his car. That lives on the vents. That's on the vent in his car.

• 40:11Speaker 01

  No, who?

• 40:12Speaker 00

  Kyle, big guy that was outside.

• 40:13Speaker 01

  We're gonna talk to Kyle after this.

• 40:14Speaker 00

  Okay, do you not a fan of those either?

• 40:16Speaker 01

  They're the worst. So also fragrances, like I believe Dr. Sachin Patel taught me this and it's honestly changed my life. He's like, don't eat unless you're salivating.

• 40:28Speaker 00

  What's that got to do with fragrances?

• 40:29Speaker 01

  I'll tell you, good question. So when you salivate, that tells your gut and you're like, that tells your digestive enzymes. Hey, this is what's incoming, so get ready for these foods. That's why you smell something delicious, you start salivating, your gut's like, yes, this is what's incoming. And then it's creating custom enzymes to break down the food. Helps with your digestion, your absorption, your nutrients, all of it. The way all of these smells work, if you have the hockey bag or the gym bag and you spray it with Fabreeze, it didn't clean the stuff. All it did was block your olfactory system, which is your smelling system. So you could no longer smell the stuff. It binds to the receptors in your nose, so now you're, you're nose blind. You can't smell the thing anymore. Why is this such a problem? Because we rely on our sense of smell.

• 41:12Speaker 01

  So now if you can't smell, your body's not going to create those digestive enzymes. Your gut doesn't know what's coming in. Your smell is massively connected to your taste, to your gut, to nutrition, to your absorption. So like, I carry a bag of a really non-toxic deodorant with me. And if I like hug someone with speed stick, I give them a Primally Pure. And then they're like, is this because I stink? And I'm like, actually, yes, but it's not that you stink, it's that your deodorant stinks. And then all the people around you, I think synthetic fragrances are going to be known as the new secondhand smoke. Because back in the day, when you would smoke, if you complained at someone like you or the Debbie Downer, like killing my vibe, then the research came out, it's like, oh, secondhand smoke is, has bad or worse.

• 41:53Speaker 00

  Surely the amount of whatever human blow off from a smell is so much less, right? Like I spritz some perfume or deodorant at the start of the day and it's three hours later. How much is left on my body? How much is that putting out into the world?

• 42:08Speaker 01

  Well, in my home,

• 42:12Speaker 01

  as soon as someone opens the front door, I immediately know if someone's wearing perfume or cologne, instantly.

• 42:17Speaker 00

  You become attuned to that. What do you think to, what do you say to the people that say that's a kind of fragility? That your level of sensitivity now to good and bad means that you're less robust, not more healthy?

• 42:28Speaker 01

  I love this. So I, I wanna be highly sensitive, but also resilient. So it doesn't ruin my day. Like, you know, sometimes people are like, I used to, if I turn, it would like, it's dark. Someone would turn on a light, I'm like, ah, no. Huberman says you just ruined my next four days. Like, you screwed my week. And I would get like angry, I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. There was an issue and then my reaction was really big. So now I'm like, let's turn the light off, like I'm resilient. Okay, Andrew, I understand that that's significant. I'm quite resilient. So it doesn't ruin my day. I want to be sensitive. I wanna be empathetic. I wanna feel my environment, but then also not be, you know, hit by a tidal wave.

• 43:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, so you mentioned Fabreeze and this is an interesting one. Like fabric extra strength fights odors and freshens. I think a lot of people, I certainly thought this for a long time. I'm like, all right, so if I've got something that's on my couch, that's on this rug, if I spray that, that is like, I don't know, getting in there and deconstructing the particles or something somehow. Is there anything that does that? Or is it just straight up wash your shit if you need to wash your shit?

• 43:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, wash your shit. Put it outside. The sun is the greatest UV light of all time. That's the best disinfectant ever.

• 43:43Speaker 00

  Okay, so the dog comes in, the dog smells, the dog's on the, the rug or the couch or something like that. You would say, take the covers off and then.

• 43:50Speaker 01

  Fresh air and sun.

• 43:52Speaker 00

  And put them outside.

• 43:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:54Speaker 00

  Way better than Fabreeze or something else. What the fuck else?

• 43:57Speaker 01

  Also sunscreen, by the way. Think about this, if you're like on the beach or by the pool and you see someone

• 44:03Speaker 01

  using that spray sunscreen. Number one, it messes up the plants and the water and everything. But if next time you notice it, someone could be 50 feet, 100 feet in any direction. Watch when they spray, you'll smell it. So if you can smell it 100 feet in any direction.

• 44:16Speaker 00

  Outdoors.

• 44:17Speaker 01

  Outdoors. Another way to think about that, let's say you take a red bathtub, take red, sorry, a bathtub, put three drops of red food coloring in, just like a few drops. Within seconds, the entire bath is equally distributed with the red. It doesn't stay localized. Air is basically water, it moves the same. So they, it just kinda contaminates the whole area.

• 44:36Speaker 00

  What do we think about candles? Because I know that a lot of people like the idea of candles, candle light. This is a Glade limited edition warm apple and spices flavor. Fucking edition, I guess. How do you feel about candles generally? Can we have safe candles?

• 44:56Speaker 01

  This is one of those like decision things. Personally, I do use candles. I love candles. I think they do some, you know, candle or no candle. I think no candle is the most optimal move you can make. But I mean, on the light side, candles like the best light you could have.

• 45:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, it looks beautiful. It's very relaxing, good for the nervous system.

• 45:15Speaker 01

  If you can find a really, really, very sexy. Candles and cuddles is the new Netflix and chills.

• 45:20Speaker 00

  Very good.

• 45:21Speaker 01

  So if you can have a beeswax candle, a really good one with a good wick, like a wooden wick or a hemp wick. So I've done tests before. There was something on our Instagram where we, we would, we tested some candles and we blow it up beside the Jasper. So a beeswax candle is like a natural ionization. So I, I like beeswax candles.

• 45:43Speaker 00

  Are there any companies that you recommend?

• 45:44Speaker 01

  I'm still in the process. I've got like 25 different ones. When I have one that I can vouch for, I'll tell you. But that's how I feel.

• 45:52Speaker 00

  All right, let's go.

• 45:52Speaker 01

  But extinguish the candle outside.

• 45:55Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 45:55Speaker 01

  The black smoke at the end, if you have like a little snuff, that's decent too. But I usually go outside and blow my candle out outside.

• 46:02Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 46:02Speaker 01

  Or, I mean, I'm pretty, I'm quite Jasperized. So if it's like,

• 46:08Speaker 01

  your water's coming in, let's say you've got city water, well water. Basically, you're pumping contaminated water into your house any way you cut it. So you have to filter it. Air is the same. Air is a little bit sneakier. With water, we can filter it in a jug. We can filter it, like there's one water pipe coming into our home. So we filter it at the point where the shower, the whole home, we got it. Air is coming in through all these different areas. It's a lot sneakier, which is why the way we have to air filter is a little bit different than the way we have to think about water filtration.

• 46:37Speaker 00

  Who is particularly susceptible to air issues? I'm thinking older people, kids, immunocompromised. Is there an avatar of a person who's particularly vulnerable to air quality?

• 46:50Speaker 01

  Well, if the average adult is breathing 15,000 to 20,000 times a day, toddlers are like 40,000 to 60,000 and infants can be like 60 to 100,000 times. Think about the modern birth of a baby. I would say the baby, babies and elderly.

• 47:02Speaker 00

  Right.

• 47:03Speaker 01

  So they get birthed in this like hospital with these bright lights and rushed around and beep, beep, beep, beep. And then they get rushed home and they're in their nice nursery, Instagram ready, fresh paint on the walls, lots of VOCs, bunch of toys, offgassing.

• 47:19Speaker 01

  This is really important. There's these diaper pails that people put into their nurseries. So you change baby's diaper, you pop it in this little airtight container. If you ever go into a baby's nursery, it smells like shit significantly. Newsflash, if it smells like shit, it is shit. And if it's shit, it's bacteria, a lot of bacteria. So mom is trying to do everything for her healthy little baby. Meanwhile, the baby is being intoxicated by shit particles, sharticles all night long.

• 47:49Speaker 00

  So you could literally just put that outside.

• 47:51Speaker 01

  When my daughter Aria was newly born, I remember it was our first child. We were living in British Columbia at the time. Rachel, my wife, she was, we had this diaper pail. I'm not gonna say the brand, they'd probably hate it, but they're all the same.

• 48:05Speaker 01

  And I'm like, yo, every time I'd go in, I'm like, ugh. I'm like, Rach, I really think we gotta put this thing outside. It's like the shitty diapers should go directly outside. And you know, as first kid, like, you know how many things I'm dealing with? And it was, you know, so it's convenient.

• 48:18Speaker 00

  Optimizing the diaper pail is low down on the list of things to do. I need to try and keep this thing alive.

• 48:23Speaker 01

  So I'm like, cool, let's run an experiment tonight. I noticed if I try to make change, it's difficult. If I call it an experiment, she's really willing. So I said, tonight, let's run an experiment. Let's put the diaper pail into our bedroom. I'm going to sleep on the couch in the living room. She's like, ew, no, we're not. I'm like, exactly. So once she realized we would never in a million years put the diaper pail in our bedroom, but our baby who's breathing a hundred thousand times a night with a developing immune system is breathing all this poop. So, hey, mom and dad, please take the diapers outside.

• 48:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, and it's a free intervention.

• 48:51Speaker 01

  Free.

• 48:52Speaker 00

  Okay, talk to me about what ways people can improve the air quality in their home cost free.

• 48:59Speaker 01

  Cost free, so let's start with the poopy diapers outside, shoes off. Use your range hood, range hood beating the exhaust fan above your stove. A huge one is used, the bathroom fan is not for poop smell. The bathroom fan is for humidity. So I would recommend buying a, um, a switch, like, you know, dimmer switches are awesome. One of the greatest inventions ever. So also you can get a, um, a bathroom fan that has a timer on it, like thirty, thirty minutes, sixty minutes, two hours. Hit the two hour button at least an hour. So think about it, you take a shower, think about how much water a towel can absorb. So you have like a couple gallons of water either sitting in the, in the, in the drain

• 49:42Speaker 01

  or on the towel, and then it's just drying into your home. Often bathroom doors closed, excess moisture, over time, now we have a mold problem. So your home has those exhaust fans to get that excess humidity and moisture out of your home. So use your bathroom fans, use your range hood. When, um, get your, your dryer, the dryer vent, clean out the lint drawer. A lot of people have, um, home fires from their dryers too. You know, using better products, like just being aware of the cooking products, of the cleaning products, the chemicals you use, but the ventilation is a huge part of it. If you live in a, if, if the temperature is reasonable, open your windows. I know in Germany and a lot of places in Europe, like airing out the home, forget the

• 50:24Speaker 01

  word for it, starts with an L, they like, let, letting the home air out is conventional, like you do that every day. We don't do that stuff here. So letting your home breathe would be good. So yeah, those are the big ones.

• 50:38Speaker 00

  Why isn't the AC system already fixing this problem? Like, when I think about, hey, I need to get more air into the house.

• 50:46Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 50:47Speaker 00

  AC system's pulling air in from the outside. Surely that's the same as opening a window and it's cool. Like, I, I've heard of HEPA, HEPA filters, dehumidify, all this stuff. Like, is this not fixed with people's normal airflow if they live in a house that's got AC?

• 51:03Speaker 01

  One day, not yet. So I'm just gonna call, it's called your HVAC system, heating, ventilation, air condition. That's the, think about your furnace and your AC, that's the lungs of your home is the way I think about it. When most homes are built, most people live in a builder grade subdivision home or like an apartment. When these homes are built, these are built by bankers on spreadsheets. They're not sitting around and saying, how do we build the healthiest home? They're saying, how fast, how cheap, how many square feet? Let's make them pretty, let's sell them quick. So what happened is your furnace and your air conditioner are strictly designed to heat and cool your home, and they're designed to do it energy efficiently. So what happens is the furnaces and the AC and the air handlers are not sized for filtration at all.

• 51:46Speaker 01

  Also, because we've so optimized for energy efficiency, typically people leave their HVAC system on auto mode. So you only want your HVAC running when it needs to run. Heat up, temperature turns off, cool down, and if it's on all the time, it's pretty loud, it's pretty annoying. Company, so Jasper originally, I spent the first two years actually trying to design a HVAC air filtration system. I thought that would be the perfect solution. Pop it in the furnace, out of sight, out of mind, whole home would be good. It was loud and it was quite ineffective because what happens is it chokes out the airflow. So the system is only designed to move the air through it and heat and cool. So a lot of people during COVID, they're like, get the MERV 16s, they got these super

• 52:28Speaker 01

  intense filters, shove them in their HVAC system, and then their motors blew because you're choking out the system. So when, when you think about air filtration, you want efficiency and efficacy, which means efficiency is like, how many particles are we stopping? Efficacy is how much air is flowing through it. So unfortunately, long term, that's our vision with Jasper is to create HVAC products that'll be the lungs of your home. That's not just heating and cooling, but it's thinking about pollen, it's thinking about mold, it's thinking about wildfire smoke, and it's actually designed to breathe, probably not for a few years, but unfortunately, those systems are just, humans are so like, temperature is like the first thing for us.

• 53:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 53:04Speaker 01

  We're so aware of thermal comfort.

• 53:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, you walk into a room that's thirty degrees or like even twenty-five degrees and you're like, ah, this feels a little bit hot in here. I'm not really too comfortable. You walk into one that's got two thousand parts per million of CO2 and some VOCs in it and you're like, nah, I don't know, I think I'm all right. And that will build up over time. So that makes total sense.

• 53:25Speaker 01

  What's really exciting, man, the human body is the best sensor of all. After I had tested hundreds of homes from, from mold, I got a sense. So I could walk into a home and sense the mold right away. The same way, like, I like this party trick. You take five people, go outside, do it in the morning, whenever, no one's checked the weather yet, and you get everybody to write on a napkin what temperature they think it is outside. Yo, often everyone is, you could have five or six people, they're typically within one or two degrees of each other.

• 53:52Speaker 00

  Pretty accurate.

• 53:52Speaker 01

  Pretty accurate. Our temperature sensors in our skin are dialed in because we look at the temperature every day. And we've limited our understanding of weather and environment to hot, cold, cloudy, sunny, rain or no rain. But like, that's just a part of it. I want to create a weather app and we're probably gonna do it soon, where it's like, it's cloudy and it's cool, but the clean is there in four months. Awesome day to go outside, like the weatherman is so negative. So when you start paying attention to the humidity, if you look at your relative humidity every day, your body instantly knows and it will affect you just as, in a good way, you'll become aware. So think about it, like dry sauna or go to the desert and go to the rainforest, you know what dry feels like in your hair, in your throat, it's too humid, it's too dry, you kind of have a sense of that.

• 54:35Speaker 01

  Because I have lived with a carbon dioxide detector so much, my, I can, little party trick for me, sometimes like friends will be like, he knows what the CO2 is, I guess, and then they pull it out. I'm usually within about thirty to fifty ppm of what the CO2 is. So your body is attuned to this.

• 54:50Speaker 00

  Fucking Aranet, I just need you. I'm just gonna carry you around all the time.

• 54:53Speaker 01

  Well, once you've Araneted for a while, you might be calibrated.

• 54:55Speaker 00

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• 56:21Speaker 00

  really care about before I get in there. How can they effectively and efficiently work out whether or not this house is gonna be good for them from an air quality perspective?

• 56:28Speaker 01

  So in twenty fourteen, I got certified as a home inspector because I was interested and I was, by the way, it was like an online course I did in three or four days. By the way, getting certified in flood, fire and mold, it's a two day course. So you think the mold professional is coming to your house? They didn't go to mold university for a year. They did a two day course for like five hundred dollars and a little room with an easy test. That was to get certified in all this remediation stuff. So the, the certifications mean absolutely nothing.

• 57:00Speaker 01

  Typically, if you look at a home inspection, though, there's exclusions in there. It says, we're not looking for anything environmental, no mold, and typically no roof stuff. So you're paying four hundred to a thousand dollars, maybe two thousand, to get a thorough home inspection. And they're only looking for something that's going to hit your wallet in the next couple of years. How old's the roof? Is there a crack here? Does the GFCI plug work or not work? But like, your, your home could be infested with mold and they don't even mention that part. They're not even trained to look for that. So red flag number one, if you go into move into a home, if there's any plugins and scents and fragrances, you have to demand a reinspection. Get all those fragrances out of the home. Let the home breathe for a day or two, close it back up. The number one trick that people selling homes do that are infested with mold, they put plugins in.

• 57:46Speaker 01

  So you come in, you think it smells good, you think it smells clean, you think it smells fresh. No, they're just blocking your ability to smell the mold. Then you buy the home, you realize you have a $200,000 remediation product, you all get sick. So I'm looking at it a lot from the mold and the environmental standpoint. I would recommend air quality and mold testing. It's like the biggest investment of your life. It's the thing that your family lives inside. So.

• 58:09Speaker 00

  And how expensive is it going to be to try and fix your health if you go in somewhere that ends up hurting you?

• 58:16Speaker 01

  See the most?

• 58:17Speaker 00

  Two years. I mean, for me, incredibly expensive, incredibly effortful. Are old homes worse when it comes to air quality, new, old?

• 58:25Speaker 01

  They can be. When I was doing a lot of air quality testing, about a third of the work we were doing was, you know, have you ever, like, sick building syndrome was the idea of the home making people sick. It was more thought of in commercial buildings where absentee rates would be high and performance would be down. And they realized Harvard did a study by Dr. Joseph Allen that showed that the cost of optimizing your employees' health and environments massively outweighs having absent sick team.

• 58:53Speaker 01

  I think a home is the exact same.

• 58:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, it's the most efficient way that you could do that. Okay, what are some things or what are the best assessments for home air quality? Let's say that maybe someone really cares about this or they're working on their health at the moment. And they think, okay, I've got, I've got some money to be able to spend on this. What's the gold standard? I've heard about Ermie tests, we've had a bunch of those done. What, what's good, what's not good, what should people go for?

• 59:19Speaker 01

  I wish I had a good, simple answer here. It's a little bit nuanced because on one hand, mold is the real deal. Like, it can make you really sick, it can really impact you. But the mold industry, there's two words that they use. And this was actually 10 years ago, they called it the mold rush. And that was nothing compared to now, and mold is gold. Think about it, if you're like a contractor and you're demolished, if you're a demolition contractor gutting a bathroom before remediation, before like you get a new fancy bathroom, it's about a thousand dollars. If there's black mold on that bathroom, it's $10,000.

• 59:47Speaker 00

  Because it's more comprehensive.

• 59:49Speaker 01

  More scary. The only difference is about four hours in preparation time, you put in a scrubber, you use some antimicrobial. The labor is like three more hours of labor and like $50 more in materials.

• 59:59Speaker 00

  But one feels like it's been a nuclear spill and the other feels like somebody's choosing to put new tiles in.

• 1:00:06Speaker 01

  Yes, so a lot of contractors got into the mold game, then has mold awareness goes, what happens? The functional medicine doctors are inundated with people coming in for mold stuff. So then they, a lot of companies pop up doing urine testing and blood testing and a lot of them.

• 1:00:21Speaker 00

  The Mold Co, Ariana from the Mold Co, go to the Mold Co, that's the, the company in America that you need to use.

• 1:00:26Speaker 01

  She's the best I've seen by far.

• 1:00:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, so if anyone is thinking, I want to do the testing for my body, that is the Mold Co. They do testing and the therapeutics and they'll help you go through your detox protocol. She's following the shoemaker protocol, she's got the, the scientists that were the initial like padawans of the main guy that came up with the main, most evidence-based mold detox protocol on the planet. She's awesome, so friend of the show.

• 1:00:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, I like her too.

• 1:00:56Speaker 01

  So some industries, for whatever reason, they get this conflict of interest label on them where it's like the home inspector shouldn't be the contractor or the mold inspector shouldn't be the remediation guy.

• 1:01:06Speaker 00

  E, perverse incentives.

• 1:01:08Speaker 01

  But the, you go to the accountant, you go to the lawyer, do I have a problem? Yes, you go to the mechanic, so with, but the eye doctor, it doesn't sell you the glasses for whatever reason. But it ultimately comes down to trust. I actually, the best mold inspectors are the remediation guys. Cause they actually remove the stuff, like you go to a surgeon to check you out. There's not this whole other industry that's like, let's see if you need surgery. I don't do surgeries, but I'll just check.

• 1:01:31Speaker 00

  Is there anything that you can say around how to work out if a home inspector is of quality or not? Because I understand these are a bunch of warnings, mold rush, gold rush thing. This is why the industry might be a little bit perverse in its incentives. But is there anything that we can say about like how to assess the people that are doing the assessment?

• 1:01:54Speaker 01

  And the good thing here, this is not a big ag, big pharma, evil cabal situation. This is a road to hell paved with good intention situation. I don't think there's really bad actors in this space. The, the functional medicine docs are just trying to get you a good test. And then they're like, get your home tested. Then you have someone come and wave their wand who did their two day mold course, thinking they're doing their job great. It rained yesterday, you got the mold, let's start gutting everything. So it can be alarmist and then some just the test, like some of the tests were designed. So Ermie, for example, it's a good test, but it's designed to be kind of alarmist. And it's checking your dust. So was there any mold present in the last six months? Like, yeah, if you test your blood for heavy metals or mold.

• 1:02:37Speaker 00

  BPAs.

• 1:02:38Speaker 01

  You got some of it, so like, ah, I got the mold. And sometimes you feel relief, you're like, I finally found the thing. But this is not an absence, presence, black or white binary thing. It's like, that's where Mold Co is actually great. It's like, what species, how much? Let's test again, it's pretty cost effective too. So I think it's, the industry is working its stuff out. I think if you are buying a home, I think actually calling a couple remediation contractors to take a look could be good. Hopefully, you know, it's, it's all like, how do you know which contractor is good? You don't, most of them aren't.

• 1:03:10Speaker 00

  Probably, at least for me, what I did was I put us, and I'm lucky because I got people to follow me or whatever. I asked some friends, I put a story up on Instagram, but where I found them was I asked a bunch of friends. And I was like, hey, does anyone know good mold remediation? Asked, asked, asked, and Toolman, there was this company in Austin, came up a bunch of times, had a conversation with them. He was very highly booked and managed to find time and I was like, hooray, that was, that was good. All right, talking about Jasper, you, I guess, took what you found when doing the salvaging of homes and then tried to make that more commercially available. Again, for people who are like, right, I think this is a big deal, I really want to work on my health. What, from a air scrubber perspective?

• 1:03:54Speaker 00

  How, how does Jasper work? Why is that a big deal? How much can that help? Like, and how, do people need, where should they put it?

• 1:04:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, so we call Jasper an air scrubber, not an air purifier. The reason that is, it's kind of like saying a Yukon Denali versus a Honda Civic. They're both cars, they're both vehicles, they have four wheels, they have windows and doors and airbags. But like, one's designed to commute a couple around the city and put a bag in it. The other one will take, take your, take your kids, take your stuff, be safer, look good while doing it. You know, golf carts and pickup trucks, one can pull your boat, one doesn't. So the scrubber is like the industrial grade air purifier. So, you know, the SUV only came out of the market in roughly the 1990s. When they're like, how do we take a military grade vehicle and make it for the modern family? Before that, there was no SUVs, now over 50% of cars that are purchased in America are SUVs, it's practical.

• 1:04:46Speaker 01

  So a scrubber, a Jasper is typically, it's about five small, little, cheap air purifiers. It's made from, so what it does is air is flowing through it, passes through a filter. That's capturing all the stuff, letting the, the air, like, the, the goal is not to have like special optimized air. It's supposed to have air as nature intended it. So we're not adding anything to the air, we're just filtering the stuff out. What makes it unique is the fact that it's because we made it from steel, you know, it's supposed to last, it's designed to last 10, 25 years. Which is why we're able to give it a lifetime warranty. I hate buying products that break.

• 1:05:25Speaker 01

  So if, in its simplest sense, it moves more air. And because it's much larger, the filter on it is about four and a half pounds. Most air purifiers filters are like a third of a pound, half a pound, they're tiny little filters. Jasper's is like a tractor filter. So because it's bigger, that means two things. Number one, it can move more air silently. There's two in this room, you can't hear them at all. So it allows them to be silent. So Jasper moves more air on the lowest fan speed than most air purifiers move on the highest fan speed. There's a metric called CFM, cubic feet per minute. And we, we bottom out at about 100 CFM on the silent setting. A lot of air filters max are about 80 CFM. The sneakiest thing out there is you walk down the shelves, you see a little

• 1:06:10Speaker 01

  filter on the shelf and you're like, covers a large room, 1500 square feet, you're like, great, I don't think it's working. Newsflash, if you don't think it's working, it's not working.

• 1:06:20Speaker 01

  It should be one of those undeniable things, like if you put it in your bedroom on fan speed three, turn off the light, it's a no brainer. You will feel the difference immediately. Or you put it in your living room, the, the way we designed and like, thank God for modern technology. The sensors there 10 years ago, 15 years ago, would have been thousands of dollars. But now sensor technology got smaller and cheaper. So it can be silent and smart, but as soon as you start cooking or a candle or incense or wildfire smoke or pollution, the number on the screen goes up. It goes to orange and red. When, when you hear it, it's because you want to hear it and it comes back down. Basically like Jasper is the child of a mold man who has a wife who cares about interior design. And I wanted something that was effective and beautiful.

• 1:06:59Speaker 00

  Would you have designed something that was significantly uglier if you hadn't had your wife's input, do you think?

• 1:07:03Speaker 01

  I would have just used the scrubber.

• 1:07:04Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:07:05Speaker 01

  It wasn't, yeah, and people, I would keep the scrubber in the basement and people would come home and be like, whoa, it feels different in here, but like, she's like, but it's loud and but it's ugly, we need to get this thing out of here. So it's the combination of, I like aesthetics, I also think, speaking of design trends or, or health trends, I think design is actually a health trend. I think when things look good, you feel good, aesthetic matters. And so making something that is beautiful, that's inconspicuous, that's smart, that's quiet, no Bluetooth, no wifi, no EMF. I didn't do any focus groups, it was for the mold man. I, I wasn't, you know, I was doing the disaster work. So I'd go to the California fires, the BC, the flood, and then in between the disasters, I was traveling a lot in my twenties. I did not have the energy to start another company.

• 1:07:48Speaker 01

  We were, we just had fifty and I didn't even think I was gonna go through with the company. And I originally created them just for wildfire smoke. So I figured, hey, it'll be summer, there'll be smoke, we can go there, help. And then COVID happened. So what ended up happening is they mandated in Ontario that every dentist needed an air filter in every room to open their doors for business again.

• 1:08:10Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:08:10Speaker 01

  So it was a requirement in Ontario. But based on the airflow would determine the time between patients. So if you had a little air purifier, you were an hour between patients. If you had a Jasper, you were eight minutes. So it became, the dentist would pay it off in one day. So then our first thousand customers, our first thousand, we were called Jasper Medical when we launched. Because we launched to the dental industry during COVID, didn't see that happening. I had fifty sitting in my garage, I'm like, I just wanted them for like my grandparents and my family, I'm like, I saw the impact for me. I don't know if I could do business right now. COVID is like, no, you're getting back in the game, son. So about a thousand dentists in Toronto had them. By the way, we had no e-commerce for the first three years. The only way you could buy Jasper was to, there was a free consult, because I was a blue collar guy.

• 1:08:56Speaker 01

  So request a quote, free consultation, you'd call me and I would talk to you for half an hour about your mold situation, about your dental situation. Because of restoration, I knew how to do airflow calculations, the dentists were confused. So I'd be able to look, okay, give me the length, width times height, and I'll tell you how many minutes between patients. The turbo mode on the Jasper was invented for dentists during COVID. So they'd have one button to deep scrub the air and then we just left it there for consumers.

• 1:09:19Speaker 00

  Eight minutes, next guy can come in.

• 1:09:21Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:09:21Speaker 00

  Uh, I've been cycled through a variety of machines. I've got Jaspers all over the house, thank you for helping me to keep my, my house clean.

• 1:09:30Speaker 00

  But I'd gone through the bedroom machine. That was kind of interesting, but really, really loud and pretty ugly. I'd been through, um, what's the Aqua True?

• 1:09:39Speaker 01

  Air Doctor?

• 1:09:40Speaker 00

  Air Doctor, I'd been through those. That was like, you know, okay, this seems a little interesting. But it feels like more of a one stop shop to go to Jasper.

• 1:09:49Speaker 01

  We did a air test at your home on video.

• 1:09:51Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:09:52Speaker 01

  Of those other filters.

• 1:09:53Speaker 00

  I wasn't there.

• 1:09:54Speaker 01

  You weren't there, but it was on video. The air coming, because we, we have hundreds of these on video. We tested the air coming out of the other machine. It was the exact same as the ambient air.

• 1:10:03Speaker 00

  So it wasn't cleaning anything?

• 1:10:04Speaker 01

  It wasn't cleaning.

• 1:10:04Speaker 00

  Brilliant, okay, well, I had a lot of very expensive air dryers floating around. Where should people, let's say that someone's like, all right, I, I think this is important. It feels to me like I've got maybe some sinus stuff, maybe some allergy stuff, maybe some mold stuff. And I wanna, I, I'm gonna believe that air quality is important. Where do you prioritize putting air purifiers first? Or air scrubbers first, like what's the first place that you put a Jasper?

• 1:10:28Speaker 01

  Well, our logo is kind of, the A is a tree that kind of looks like a mountain. Because the long term vision for, these products should not exist. If we build homes good and we don't pollute so much, we won't need these things anymore. The real air filtration is the trees.

• 1:10:44Speaker 01

  I like it because I want clean air in my bedroom for sure. To me, clean air, clean water, clean food, good lighting, I'm good. I don't do the other stuff, I take a sauna occasionally. To me, it's a no brainer. If anyone goes and hears the first twenty or so podcasts I did, I didn't mention Jasper one time. I'm like, oh, that'd be salesy, then I'm like, wait. Once, once the dentist started to show off the Jaspers, then mom's like, do they sell these for the home? And they're like, I don't know, call them. She puts it in the home, she's like, hey, no more asthma attacks, no more allergies. I'm like, oh, this is feeling like a mission now, this is feeling really good. So I wanted one per bedroom, not five, so you asked me a couple of questions, like, where would I rank it?

• 1:11:26Speaker 01

  Like I said, if budget is entirely an issue and you don't, and you just want something to sleep? Google Corsi Rosenthal box, make the DIY one. That's gonna be awesome. I made Jasper for myself. So the filter is a three in one filter, it automatically comes every six months. You just change the filter in thirty seconds. You can, you know, I, I like things that are easy. So the, I remember about eight years ago, I bought a different brand, about ten years ago, I bought a couple of air filters. And then a little light comes on, I go back to the store, they don't sell the filter anymore. What size? So I'm like, the stress, I don't need another appliance to manage and maintain.

• 1:12:00Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:12:00Speaker 01

  So I like, so we designed the product, and by the way, we only make one thing, it's called the Jasper. No small one, no big one, no water, we are radically obsessed with one thing. And as we, you know, we're on like our fifth, fifth filter. So every six months, a new filter comes like, whoa, that looks different. Because when you only do one thing, you could just keep making it better and better and better and better and better. So I think, given the current state of the off gassing in the homes and the mold, it's like a really good eighty twenty or a ninety five five. If you care about aesthetics and service, and then the way we designed the thing is, well, the thing I'm honestly more proud about than how Jasper works, like, I'm so proud of the team, man. If someone's Jasper breaks, they get a brand new one shipped to them. They take the new one out of the box, they put the old one in the box.

• 1:12:44Speaker 01

  We give them a prepaid shipping label, we cover the cost, which is like almost a hundred dollars to take it back. So I'm like, if you trust us and you, you make your one time investment in the machine and then the filters, it's twice a year, you know. I, by the way, I hate subscriptions, but sometimes they make sense. The guy who comes to my house to change my water filters twice a year, the, the toothbrush head that comes every three months, the, the car maintenance, there's a few that make sense. This is one of them. So to me, air for sleep.

• 1:13:11Speaker 00

  So you prioritize bedroom?

• 1:13:13Speaker 01

  Prioritize bedroom, if you're getting one.

• 1:13:15Speaker 00

  You would put it in the bedroom?

• 1:13:16Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:13:16Speaker 00

  Right. Where, does it have to be near you?

• 1:13:19Speaker 01

  Nope, it can be anywhere in the bedroom, air don't care. You can put it in the corner, it's round, the reason that we made it a cylinder is because, because it's three hundred and sixty degrees. If you have a boxy machine that's taking in the air on one or two sides, they, if you read the manual, it's like, you have to keep it like one or two feet from the wall, which puts it in the middle of the room.

• 1:13:35Speaker 00

  So it slots up against the corner?

• 1:13:37Speaker 01

  Corner, wall.

• 1:13:39Speaker 00

  Okay, so if bedroom's number one, where's number two?

• 1:13:42Speaker 01

  It's where you spend your time.

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• 1:14:40Speaker 01

  So typically, bedroom is where people start their journey. If someone's like, you know, money's not a big issue, I'm in. They put one per bedroom and they put one in their living room. The bedroom ones, they keep on dark mode, they run it on a high fan speed setting. The one in the living room, they keep it on smart mode and that's it. But if you're starting with one bedroom, anywhere in the room.

• 1:14:58Speaker 00

  What about kitchen? Because you said about the, I guess most people know.

• 1:15:01Speaker 01

  Nowadays, the kitchen, living room is kind of merged, you don't have to put it beside the stove, just kind of put it anywhere in that space. Some people put one in the home office. So, um, you know, we're gonna do that sleep study next year. The other two studies that are so important, I think about Jasper like a lab, it's like, let's just put our money where our mouth is and prove stuff. So the other two studies that are so important to me, hopefully, uh, we can, we can get this done is number one, we want to work with some big companies and put Jaspers into fifty percent of the employees' bedrooms. Even if it's like a work from home environment.

• 1:15:33Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:15:33Speaker 01

  Because we want to measure the performance in the absentee rate. For two dollars a day, if we could create a program, man, I moved to America four years ago. I still don't understand all this blue cloth and this health insurance stuff, like, we're paying thousands, the team's paying thousands, don't really know how it works, they're still getting medical bills. But like, why not just like put that money into something that actually will change their life? That people can see and that they can feel. So a lot of the businesses we do work with, they put them in, they gift one to all the, the team at home. And like, the team feels it, it's good for morale.

• 1:16:03Speaker 00

  Presumably, putting one, putting one in the fucking office would be a good idea. If you've got some shared working space, co-working space.

• 1:16:09Speaker 01

  Hundred percent, Jaco's team, Echelon, all fifty four employees have one in their bedrooms at home.

• 1:16:15Speaker 01

  So I think it's like a, it's a no brainer.

• 1:16:18Speaker 00

  Cool. Where should people go if they want to find out more?

• 1:16:20Speaker 01

  If you want to find out more, so, um, today is some day. So what we're gonna do is, from today, for the next two weeks, we're gonna give, put a, a site wide discount.

• 1:16:33Speaker 01

  Just to, you know, to me, it's all about air awareness. But I know, I only, I've only made a lot of my big health purchases, whether it's like an eight sleep or whatever, I wait for Black Friday.

• 1:16:42Speaker 00

  When there's a discount?

• 1:16:44Speaker 01

  Discounts get me going, even though like the fifty dollars and the three hundred dollars, but like, I want to get a deal. So I've learned that that really matters for myself. So what we're gonna do is today, the day the podcast drops, for the next two weeks, we'll have a three hundred dollar site wide discount on jaspr.co. So no discount codes, no nothing like that, J A S P R dot C O. By the way, this is gonna be our Black, our Black Friday discount is kind of the only time we do a sale. Except for when there's wildfire smoke, we do them locally, but Black Friday is three hundred dollars off. Couple of years ago, we were sold out for three months. So typically, we get sold out by months. So the intention here for the, the listeners, if anyone resonates with this,

• 1:17:22Speaker 01

  then it'll be three hundred dollars off, so it'll be eight hundred ninety nine dollars instead of eleven ninety nine. The other thing, like I said, we put our money where our mouth is. So if, you'll know in like three days if it's life changing or not. In the first thirty days, please keep the box. If you don't, we'll send you new one, but please keep the box. If it's not absolutely, you're not feeling the benefits, seeing the differences. Cook, put it in your living room for a day on smart mode and cook and put it in your bedroom on fan speed three, dark mode, track your sleep, feel the difference and then try a night without it. Like the results speak for themselves, but if it's not a no brainer, one dollar would be too much money. If it radically changes your sleep in your life, then it's cheap. So if it's not a no brainer for you, we will not only give you a hundred percent refund,

• 1:18:06Speaker 01

  but we will also bear the cost of return shipping because it sucks when you buy a product and then you ought to pay the money to ship it and it's annoying. So our thought is like, how do we just de-risk it? Last thing I really wanted to say that I kind of forgot, man, is that for next year, our study is the school, man. You haven't walked, I think, oh, did I take you?

• 1:18:24Speaker 00

  You did took me, take me around the school.

• 1:18:26Speaker 01

  So it's done, the school opened two weeks ago.

• 1:18:28Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:18:28Speaker 01

  We got Jaspers in every class. So in Finland, they did a study a couple of years ago. They put air filters in fifty percent of the classrooms, absentee rates drop by about thirty percent in teachers and students. So we're using the school, it's called Kindling Academy here in Austin, has a living lab to show schools. If we put clean air, clean water, natural lighting, non-toxic products and the kids are outside. Next year, we're trying to get some organic food. How much will these kids thrive? And public school systems in America are funded based on attendance. So there's these truancy laws, you want to go on a trip for two weeks, you kind of can't, you get in trouble. So if we can prove this out, we're also gifting Jaspers to all the local schools. So we have a bigger data set. So if we can prove out that we can reduce absentee rates by fifty percent with good air, good water, good lighting. I think the air is the main thing.

• 1:19:12Speaker 01

  It will become financially aligned for public schools to create healthy environments for the kids. So keep an eye on that, but yo, jaspr.co, J A S P R dot C O, no code required. That's where you can find us.

• 1:19:26Speaker 00

  Do you ship internationally?

• 1:19:27Speaker 01

  Oh, thanks for asking. So right now, as of today, we're only in the U S and Canada. But before, and hopefully by, not hopefully, it's happening. By the last week of October or the first week of November, we will also be in the U K and Australia. Yeah, because of you.

• 1:19:44Speaker 00

  Thank you. Well, look, dude, you know, between you and Ariana and Matt Cook over in San Jose and Gabrielle Lyon and her guys, like this is kind of the, the tailwind of the journey that I've been on over the last two and a half years. And like, you know, I don't want anybody to have to go through the challenge that I did, but I also know that in smaller doses, people are being insulted by their environment, by toxins, by, and to the people that aren't ill or don't know somebody that's been ill, a lot of it can almost sound like talking about ghosts.

• 1:20:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:16Speaker 00

  It's like, oh, this is like woo, it's sort of like this weird invisible spiritual polygeisty thing. Maybe it's an oversensitivity, maybe it's optimizing majoring in the minors. Like, bro, I know the difference that it had to my health and there are certain people out there whose physiologies are just more sensitive to what's going on around them. And if that's you or if that's someone that's in your life, you really, really need to look at this stuff carefully. And you can, you can get a good R O, desktop, tabletop, like water purifier for like two hundred bucks, two hundred and fifty bucks. And that's it. And yeah, you got to get the filters or whatever, but like, that's it, that's done, right? And the same thing goes for air quality. And like you, people can't afford to move house if they've got some issue that they're concerned about to do a full remediation.

• 1:20:59Speaker 00

  Okay. Well, at least we can maybe get the air that you're breathing immediately to feel a little bit better. So for me.

• 1:21:04Speaker 01

  And if the mold's impacting you or the allergens, it's not because you're eating it or drinking it. Like the environmental stuff, you're breathing it.

• 1:21:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:21:10Speaker 01

  So if you can filter the stuff out, you will feel way better.

• 1:21:14Speaker 00

  This stuff's a, it's a big deal for me, man, and I appreciate.

• 1:21:16Speaker 01

  Sleep better, breathe better, feel better.

• 1:21:18Speaker 00

  I appreciate all of the effort that you've gone through to try and create something that helps people to, to be more healthy.

• 1:21:23Speaker 01

  We're just getting started.

• 1:21:24Speaker 00

  It's a big deal for me. Dude, I want to see you take on the fucking A C industry. I know that that's on the, the, the, in the future, it's somewhere on the horizon for you as well. I think that that would be a huge solution, but I appreciate you. I fucking love Jaspers, I use them all and hopefully we've educated people. I don't want people to be scared, right? Like look, air quality, yes, it's a big deal that you should think about. There's free ways to do it, there's ways that you can mitigate the problems. And then if you want to.

• 1:21:50Speaker 01

  It's the laziest way to be healthy.

• 1:21:53Speaker 00

  Unreal.

• 1:21:53Speaker 01

  All right. Thanks, man.

• 1:21:54Speaker 00

  Mike Falzese.

• 1:21:55Speaker 01

  Really appreciate it.

• 1:21:56Speaker 00

  Appreciate you too. Goodbye, my beauties. Dude, yes.

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