Why Does Modern America Feel So Insane? - Andrew Schulz

Andrew Schulz is an actor, comedian and a podcaster. Having children today’s world can be challenging. Parenthood, especially with fertility struggles, comes with obstacles, but is layered with moments of humour. As a new father, Andrew shares insights on IVF and a fresh take on the chaos of the world as a proud new father. Expect to learn how becoming a father has changed Andrew for the better, what it was like to go though fertility challenges when conceiving, what IVF was like for Andrew and his wife, how Andrew used his struggles with IVF in his new comedy special, Andrew's thoughts on the Zelensky-Trump Oval Office meeting, the biggest differences Andrew sees in the UK and US, what Andrew thinks is really going on with the Epstein files, Andrew’s thoughts on Tate’s recent return to America, the conversation between Andrew Huberman, Bryan Johnson and Kim Kardashian and much more… - 00:00 Meghan Markle’s New Series 02:28 Getting a Sperm Count 11:07 Andrew’s New Comedy Special 16:46 Becoming a Better Storyteller 21:52 The Process of IVF 29:51 Key Cultural Problems in America 40:44 What Andrew Learned From Touring the World 45:09 Being a Proud New-Yorker 52:28 How Being a Dad Has Changed Andrew 1:04:50 How a Relationship Changes After Having a Child 1:08:36 Andrew Tate’s Return to America 1:15:34 The Unrelenting Pace of the News 1:23:49 Will Elon & Trump Eventually Fall Out? 1:30:31 Do Europeans View Russia as a Threat? 1:33:59 The Epstein Files Saga 1:40:38 Bryan Johnson’s Kardashians Cameo 1:42:44 What Conor McGregor is Really Like 1:49:50 Caring Less About What People Think 1:59:02 Time & Family as True Wealth 2:09:02 Reframing Your Regrets - Get a 20% discount on Nomatic’s amazing luggage at https://nomatic.com/modernwisdom Get a 20% discount on the best supplements from Momentous at https://livemomentous.com/modernwisdom Get the best bloodwork analysis in America at https://functionhealth.com/modernwisdom Get a Free Sample Pack of all LMNT Flavours with your first purchase at https://drinklmnt.com/modernwisdom - Get access to every episode 10 hours before YouTube by subscribing for free on Spotify - https://spoti.fi/2LSimPn or Apple Podcasts - https://apple.co/2MNqIgw Get my free Reading List of 100 life-changing books here - https://chriswillx.com/books/ Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic here - https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom - Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Chris Williamson?

  What a great day for Netflix.

• 0:01Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 0:02Chris Williamson?

  Meghan Markle's new lifestyle series drops today.

• 0:05Andrew Schulz?

  There's two lives out there. Is that it? Wait, did she have another show? They're not giving her more shows.

• 0:11Chris Williamson?

  With Love, brand new series.

• 0:12Andrew Schulz?

  No way.

• 0:13Chris Williamson?

  Drops right now.

• 0:14Andrew Schulz?

  She can't miss, bro. You only fail up. You really only fail up. This is crazy. This is crazy. Have we started the pod?

• 0:20Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 0:21Andrew Schulz?

  Okay, we have. All right, this is fire. I just want to let everybody know that, you know, Chris usually spends a lot of money on sets.

• 0:29Andrew Schulz?

  And I, and I told him, I was like, save it.

• 0:34Andrew Schulz?

  I said, don't rent out a warehouse or something aesthetically pleasing and have a whole team of cameras. I just have five Serbian guys set these things up here, throw some fleshlights in the back and we'll be good. And I think we'll get the same thing across, okay? You had a hard day. I shouldn't even bust your balls about this, but.

• 0:54Chris Williamson?

  Oh, we're living.

• 0:55Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 0:55Chris Williamson?

  Well, look, it is you versus Meghan Markle today. That's it. She's in next.

• 0:58Andrew Schulz?

  So what's her, what's her thing? What's her like a story? What's the?

• 1:02Chris Williamson?

  Well, she's.

• 1:02Andrew Schulz?

  It's a reality show about her?

• 1:04Chris Williamson?

  She's got genitals so potent that America finally managed to take down the United Kingdom, right? Not with war, not with bureaucracy, but with a woman who literally managed to suck the fucking privilege out of Prince Harry using her magical yoni.

• 1:19Andrew Schulz?

  It is interesting that she's so, um, so hated, huh? What is that about? Why do people dislike her?

• 1:26Chris Williamson?

  If you want to search Meghan Markle.

• 1:29Andrew Schulz?

  Cause we don't like the royal family, really. I think we're kind of ambivalent towards them in America.

• 1:33Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, you guys think it's kind of like cricket or something.

• 1:36Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:37Chris Williamson?

  Like a fucking artifact.

• 1:38Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, yeah, it's not. I heard you were a bowler.

• 1:41Chris Williamson?

  I was.

• 1:42Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:42Chris Williamson?

  I was.

• 1:42Andrew Schulz?

  For like a pretty good school.

• 1:44Chris Williamson?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:44Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:45Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, that was the only way I got into university. They reduced my entry requirements because they thought I was going to come and play sport. Little did they know that they just had a like adult infant waiting in the wings who was going to completely like.

• 1:57Andrew Schulz?

  So you stopped playing the second you went?

• 1:58Chris Williamson?

  Essentially. I mean, I dropped down to like just drinking, partying and running events.

• 2:02Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 2:03Chris Williamson?

  And they did that thing.

• 2:05Andrew Schulz?

  Why are the Indians so good at that? They're not really athletic people.

• 2:08Chris Williamson?

  Well, think about all of the places that go to cricket.

• 2:10Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 2:10Chris Williamson?

  Places that we colonized. Australia.

• 2:12Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 2:13Chris Williamson?

  India, Pakistan, Canada. Canada, pretty good at it as well.

• 2:16Andrew Schulz?

  So do you give them a thing to like beat you at for fun? Like, is that how you, you, you keep them?

• 2:21Chris Williamson?

  Ah, yeah, you can have that. Don't rebel.

• 2:23Andrew Schulz?

  We'll keep the rubies.

• 2:24Chris Williamson?

  Don't rebel again.

• 2:24Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, you guys play in the field for two days.

• 2:28Chris Williamson?

  I I've been looking forward to telling you this because I saw you do your show here in Austin about a year ago, almost exactly a year ago.

• 2:34Andrew Schulz?

  That's right.

• 2:34Chris Williamson?

  And I went and got a sperm count done.

• 2:37Andrew Schulz?

  Did you?

• 2:38Chris Williamson?

  Because of you, exclusively because of you.

• 2:40Andrew Schulz?

  And how was it?

• 2:41Chris Williamson?

  Uh, first one, so I got a whole fucking story for you about it.

• 2:43Andrew Schulz?

  Please tell me, I love this. I love your people's journeys. What size shoe are you, bro?

• 2:48Chris Williamson?

  That's a US 10.

• 2:50Andrew Schulz?

  You got, okay, you double digits. All right. That's a cute, that's a cute size right there.

• 2:54Chris Williamson?

  10, all right.

• 2:55Andrew Schulz?

  You're a big motherfucker to have a size 10.

• 2:58Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, well, look.

• 3:00Andrew Schulz?

  You're a big guy. I don't know if that's a 10, bro.

• 3:02Chris Williamson?

  That's a nine. Actually, I wear a 10, I wear a 10, but these are nine because uh.

• 3:06Andrew Schulz?

  I gotta, give me that camera.

• 3:09Chris Williamson?

  Comparing. You've been here for three minutes and you're like, fucking, got a pair of Doc Martens up against my crocs.

• 3:15Andrew Schulz?

  You're gonna tell me your sperm is way better than mine.

• 3:17Chris Williamson?

  I'm not, I'm not, so.

• 3:18Andrew Schulz?

  Wait, do you have shitty sperm too?

• 3:20Chris Williamson?

  Let me fucking, I've got a whole thing, I've got a whole thing.

• 3:22Andrew Schulz?

  I'm sorry, I got distracted by my wife's crocs on you. I got a little intimidated.

• 3:26Chris Williamson?

  This, this is the, this is my prophylactic, okay? This is my fucking, this is my protection.

• 3:31Andrew Schulz?

  Well, if the sperm is bad, you don't even need it, bro.

• 3:33Chris Williamson?

  That's true. I can just wear the croc. That's double protection. Anyway, so, uh, do a mail-in one. I do a mail-in sperm thing.

• 3:39Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 3:39Chris Williamson?

  Have you ever seen how that works? So you put it in suspension.

• 3:41Andrew Schulz?

  Done it all. Done it all.

• 3:43Chris Williamson?

  So, basically.

• 3:43Andrew Schulz?

  When I did my mail-in, I was jerking off and, um, in my room, while my wife was in the other room, she's like, I'll give you a few minutes to do this. And I was like, okay. And then, and I was like, can you? And then she's like, I don't know if I, I don't want to get, you know, any interruption or whatever. And I remember I was jerking off in my bed by myself. I'd never jerked off in my bed of my home by myself. And at one point, I'm, I'm jerking off and I look up and my TV is off. So it's just a reflection. And that is the saddest day of my life. Right there, that is.

• 4:12Chris Williamson?

  Knowing, knowing that your wife is on the other side of a wall.

• 4:14Andrew Schulz?

  And watching myself jerk off into like a black screen.

• 4:17Chris Williamson?

  The saddest porno ever.

• 4:18Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, and like also you think your strokes are way longer when you're doing it and not being filmed. But I'm not really going that far. It's more of like a, it's like a quicker pump. Like, anything become like pantomime? Yes, exactly. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 4:32Chris Williamson?

  You're having a seizure.

• 4:33Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, whatever.

• 4:34Chris Williamson?

  It's a small vibration.

• 4:35Andrew Schulz?

  Exactly.

• 4:35Chris Williamson?

  Right.

• 4:35Andrew Schulz?

  But like, in stand-up, if I was ever doing it, I'd always be like, yeah, I'm fucking, nah.

• 4:40Chris Williamson?

  No, cut the length, man. Anyway, mail it in, comes back, ah, that's not so good. I start ChatGPT.

• 4:48Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 4:48Chris Williamson?

  And they're like, well, you have to remember the suspension liquid says do not shake, right? This isn't a, it's not a fucking core power. You're not supposed to like make sure.

• 4:56Andrew Schulz?

  Oh, did you?

• 4:57Chris Williamson?

  No, no, no. But the DPD guy that carried it for 24 hours doesn't know to not shake it, right?

• 5:02Andrew Schulz?

  Yes.

• 5:03Chris Williamson?

  Chucks it in the back with the Amazon returns and all the rest of the stuff. So anyway, then I go to Austin Neurology.

• 5:08Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 5:08Chris Williamson?

  In Austin and it's way better, but.

• 5:12Andrew Schulz?

  But. Still shitty.

• 5:14Chris Williamson?

  Varicoseal.

• 5:15Andrew Schulz?

  Oh yeah, of course. I got all that.

• 5:16Chris Williamson?

  Did you get your surgery?

• 5:17Andrew Schulz?

  Uh, no, because, so I had it since I was young.

• 5:21Chris Williamson?

  Varicoseal.

• 5:22Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, yeah. So explain what that is to people so they don't know what it is.

• 5:24Chris Williamson?

  Varicoseal is, uh.

• 5:26Andrew Schulz?

  Looks like someone threw up in your ball sack.

• 5:28Chris Williamson?

  It's a inefficiency of vasculature around the epididymis.

• 5:33Andrew Schulz?

  So you should, you should just, everybody listening should just compare how both of us talk about the world right there. Uh, you described exactly what it was.

• 5:42Chris Williamson?

  Threw up in your ball sack.

• 5:43Andrew Schulz?

  And I said, this is what it looks like. So your balls are like. Yeah, we got it perfect.

• 5:47Chris Williamson?

  Exactly.

• 5:47Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 5:48Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, yeah. Both ends of the IQ bell curve and just sort of going up. Uh, it means, it means that, uh, you're not circulating heat away. Actually, heat's the issue, right?

• 5:57Andrew Schulz?

  Exactly. So, so, uh, your balls descend when it's hot and then they ascend when it's cold, right? And this is why, you know, you're freezing, your balls get all tight and they're basically trying to like monitor the temperature of the ball sack so that your sperm doesn't die. And what some varicoseal is, is that you have some veins, a lot of times that should be further up into your, like basically stomach area, like groin area. And they just fall into your balls. And I had those for a while. I remember a doctor once said, we can do it, but we won't know if it will do anything. He even said this to me. It's funny. I haven't even thought about this. He goes, um, he goes, it might affect your ability to get pregnant or it might not. And this is when I was in like my twenties and, uh, cause I thought I had ball cancer. That's what I thought it was.

• 6:38Chris Williamson?

  Hmm.

• 6:38Andrew Schulz?

  Cause you just see this fucking.

• 6:39Chris Williamson?

  Uh, there's like something.

• 6:40Andrew Schulz?

  Like, it's just imagine like a sack of spaghetti, like in your balls. And I was like, and he's like, yeah, it just might affect your ability to get pregnant and, um. And I remember thinking like, oh, leave it. You know what I mean? I'm in New York and I'm running around. Yeah, I'm like, whatever it is, what it is. And um, and yeah, wow, years later. Well, I should have thought about that when I was going through the whole thing. Okay, so you're you had Veracaseal. How's your, do they swim?

• 7:04Chris Williamson?

  Mm hmm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The morphology, motility count, like, all pretty good.

• 7:08Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 7:09Chris Williamson?

  But uh,

• 7:09Andrew Schulz?

  They weren't warped at all? You didn't have any uh?

• 7:11Chris Williamson?

  No.

• 7:12Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 7:13Chris Williamson?

  But uh, anyway, all of that went through, all of that just because of you.

• 7:17Andrew Schulz?

  Well, I appreciate that. I hope everybody goes out there and does it.

• 7:20Chris Williamson?

  I think.

• 7:21Andrew Schulz?

  Save yourself some time.

• 7:22Chris Williamson?

  Dude, I I think that guys especially, it's so easy to just come in a cup.

• 7:27Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, it's also there's, you know, there's plastic and everything like they were finding, what is the microplastics on your balls? And like, everybody's worried about drinking a Poland Spring because of the microplastics. And like, my buddy told me if a car in a city stops, like, they just hit their brakes, the amount of microplastic that goes into the environment. Yeah, like drinking out of plastic shit is the equivalent of like not using a plastic straw to help the ocean. Like 90% of the fuck up in the ocean comes from the, was it commercial fishing? You seen this where they just like leave the nets out there?

• 7:58Chris Williamson?

  Mm hmm.

• 7:58Andrew Schulz?

  Did you see that doc?

• 7:59Chris Williamson?

  Which one?

• 8:00Andrew Schulz?

  It's a documentary called um, oh, I'm gonna forget the fucking name. It was like a pun, but they did the wrong pun. I wish we had another person in this room.

• 8:09Chris Williamson?

  As a fucking researcher, whatever, we can just get it wrong. We can just keep getting everything wrong.

• 8:12Andrew Schulz?

  No, no, no, it was uh, are they listening out there? Do you guys know what it is? Uh, sea something, oh, God, uh, it was a sea spiracy.

• 8:21Chris Williamson?

  Yes, okay.

• 8:22Andrew Schulz?

  Okay.

• 8:22Chris Williamson?

  Uh, we don't need you.

• 8:23Andrew Schulz?

  We don't need you, Jonathan, go away.

• 8:25Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 8:25Andrew Schulz?

  Um, and it's like, yeah, I don't want to correct people here, but it should have been conspiracy.

• 8:34Chris Williamson?

  Very good. Come to Andrew Schulz for your branding.

• 8:36Andrew Schulz?

  Guys, you know what I mean?

• 8:38Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 8:38Andrew Schulz?

  This is what we do over here. Like new tonic.

• 8:41Chris Williamson?

  Thank you. Yeah, it makes sense, you see?

• 8:42Andrew Schulz?

  Delicious. I was chastised for drinking new tonic the second I sat down on this podcast.

• 8:46Chris Williamson?

  New tonic.

• 8:46Andrew Schulz?

  Um, chastise. Said any time, oh, wow.

• 8:52Andrew Schulz?

  Guys, John, we need to clean the tops of the new tonic before we put them on the podcast. Okay, I understand we're in a CIA bunker that USAID has been funding in Pakistan that we're doing this podcast, but I need the top of the new tonic cleaned. Can we get a shot of this? I think this is where Chris put his sample.

• 9:13Andrew Schulz?

  The fucking difference in volume, dude. Oh, what? You warned me. The fucking sperm sample thing. Oh, yeah, it's brutal. It's like, it's so humbling. You know, it's funny is when I first did a, when I first did it,

• 9:26Andrew Schulz?

  I joke around in the special. There's one thing I didn't say in the special, but like, uh, first of all, when I first got the results, your ego plays so much and they're like, it wasn't that good. What I said to my wife was, um, she's like, yeah, they got the results and they weren't that good. And they're like, and some of them are like morphed, like there's like an issue with not just swimming, but they're like shaped weird. And I dead serious said to my wife, I was like, well, maybe it was the force that they hit the cup.

• 9:52Andrew Schulz?

  So fucking car wreck. Exactly. It was nine 11, like boom, just smacking into that cup. Yeah, somewhere you get banged up. Exactly. Exactly. But no. Dude, I hit up Huberman and I was like, what should I do? And him and a bunch of other doctors gave me all this like. Put you in a group chat. Andrew's struggling, guys. He's like, whoa, hey, Andrew, I just fucking, just me and you, dude. He was really sweet. He was really sweet. Actually, he gave me like a list of things to do. He gave me these pills I gotta take. I started taking the pills. He's like, and my, and the doctors I spoke to said the same thing. They're like, you gotta ice your balls every single day. No more sauna, no more baths. No more sauna, no more baths. You gotta wear baggy underwear. So you can't wear like the tight ones. Uh, stop smoking, stop drinking. I did that for two months. My sperm got worse. The doctor like literally goes, we've never seen this happen before.

• 10:41Andrew Schulz?

  So I was like, what should I do? He is, you might as well just go back to drinking. I was like, all right, fine. That's. They've obviously become fucking accustomed to it. They've got like Stockholm syndrome. Like I'm one of those like professional athletes that was like better when you could like drink and like do coke. Like the John Daly of fucking coming. That's what my sperm is. My sperm is John Daly. You want him on a fucking case of Bud Lights? And then you're gonna see him do 18 holes. You've never seen anything in your life. Yeah. Uh, dude, I, I genuinely think that.

• 11:09Chris Williamson?

  It's one of the most like meaningful stand ups I've ever seen.

• 11:12Andrew Schulz?

  Well, thank you, man.

• 11:13Chris Williamson?

  I think it's, I watched it again in the car ride here and I managed to not cry in the back of the car.

• 11:20Andrew Schulz?

  That's cool.

• 11:20Chris Williamson?

  When the Uber driver was in front of me.

• 11:22Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 11:23Chris Williamson?

  But I didn't manage to hold it together when you did it live.

• 11:25Andrew Schulz?

  Oh, good.

• 11:25Chris Williamson?

  So I want to ask, how does it feel getting this personal on stage? You know, it's presumably one of the most difficult periods.

• 11:35Andrew Schulz?

  By far, by far the most difficult time in my life.

• 11:38Chris Williamson?

  Just like, by far, like, what's it feel like?

• 11:40Andrew Schulz?

  Uh, cathartic when I started talking about it because it's very isolating when you go through any like fertility stuff. Cause the assumption is it's your wife. We all, and I talk about in the special, but like that you never assume it could be you at all. So in the beginning, I was like hesitant to talk about it because I didn't want to embarrass her. And she was like heartbroken by the whole thing. Like she, she, you know, you like, you start thinking of reasons why your ovaries are fucked up. And her ovaries were perfect, but she didn't know. And she would be like, I know it's because I used to watch like movies on my laptop on my stomach and like, she like, she starts coming up with all these solutions as to why she did it. And, and I like prayed the night before we got our test results.

• 12:21Andrew Schulz?

  And I was like, if there is a problem, just make it me. That's how confident I was that it was her.

• 12:28Andrew Schulz?

  Like I was so confident. I was like, oh, God.

• 12:29Chris Williamson?

  Spare fertility that I can take the fucking.

• 12:32Andrew Schulz?

  I go, do me a favor, God. Like just make it me. She can't handle this. And then the doctor tells me, it's God. I was like, I got you. Yeah. So, yeah, it was, but it was nice to talk about because it's so isolating. And then when I found out it was my issue, it was, uh, then I really felt more comfortable sharing because I'm not embarrassing her in any way.

• 12:56Chris Williamson?

  You get to own your own issues.

• 12:58Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. And it was the first time in my life I've ever been personal or told stories really on stage. Like I've never been, I always thought my life was boring. I thought that like my opinions on things were more interesting than my actual life. And, um, so I was excited for the challenge of like being personal and being like a storyteller and, um,

• 13:16Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, I was like, maybe I can turn this into something. I always try to do something different every special I put out. And so I started reading all these books about like storytelling and like trying to understand like what that is. And it was really cool to learn, you know, it's, it's really our oldest form of digesting information. Before we had like a notepad or before we had the ability to just like remember statistics or facts, we just told each other stories. There's a reason why like the most important texts are not, hey, this is the information you need to know. They kind of like build it into a story. Hey, this is why you should have faith, because look at this outcome. They don't give you like the statistics of the people that pray every single day and this is how long they live. It doesn't hit us the same way as, hey, he built the boat

• 14:00Andrew Schulz?

  and he was the one who lived, you know? And um, yeah, it's interesting, even like in the special, like there's some joke parts of the special and then you kind of, I almost like trick you into getting into the story. And I can feel a difference when we're in the story in the way that the audience is invested. It is this innate human instinct. If somebody comes in the room right now, they go, guys, the craziest shit just happened. We'll give them 15 seconds, even if they're a complete stranger. I don't know what that is. You'd probably be able to figure that out. But like, there's something about it. We're like hardwired to be interested in them, to be interested in stories.

• 14:39Chris Williamson?

  Is it even fair to sort of call it like a comedy special when you get to the stage where you're referring to archive footage and sort of interacting with shit that's behind you and there's entire five minute blocks where no one's laughing?

• 14:53Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, yeah, it's like, there's, there's a, the way I looked at it is like, when I was touring it, I didn't tell anybody that it was about this. Because I think sometimes what happens when you do like a one man show, you almost like ask the audience to reduce their comedic expectations. Like if somebody's like, here's a one man show, it's gonna be this like thought provoking thing and then we'll also kind of be funny, but you're there for the kind of thought provoking thing. And I'm a stand up, I'm not a one man show. So. I didn't, nobody knew this was what it was about, the entire tour. And I never positioned it in that way. I didn't even talk about it on the pod until I announced the special. So I wanted the highest comedic expectations.

• 15:34Andrew Schulz?

  But then I wanted to see if I could almost like trick you into listening to this. So the first like chunk is just like hard hitting stand up. It is related and if you like go back to it, you're like, oh, okay. And then like this is like little shit that nobody will pick up. But like even the first joke that I tell is ties into like the last moment with her. Not even the Staten Island thing, like the first joke I tell about the.

• 16:07Andrew Schulz?

  And I wonder if anybody would pick this up, like the first joke is about like, uh, you know, we are pregnant. And then I go, you know, this is what guys always say, we're pregnant or whatever. I forget exactly the joke. Um, these guys are like, we're pregnant. It's like, no, she's pregnant. It's like ridiculous to take credit for that. It's like when my wife says, we made a lot of money, right? And then it sets up this idea that like, it's not really we. And then when my wife is in like the toughest moment of her life, she says, it's not your fault. We'll figure it out. We do this together.

• 16:35Chris Williamson?

  You don't have problems. We have problems.

• 16:36Andrew Schulz?

  Exactly. And it's just, I don't know, for me, it's like this cool little, hey, that part that you thought was completely unrelated to this part. Everything is a, is a seed that's going to be harvested later.

• 16:45Chris Williamson?

  Can you, what were the books that you read?

• 16:49Andrew Schulz?

  William Store. Um, I think it's just called Story.

• 16:53Chris Williamson?

  The Art of Storytelling or the Science of Storytelling?

• 16:55Andrew Schulz?

  There's another one, The Science of Storytelling. Maybe that's the William Store one. And then there's a Hero of a Thousand Faces. There's like a bunch of, I, I bought like cards on Instagram, anything I could get my hands on. It was called like Storytelling Tactics and those weren't that great, but it was like anything I could get my hands on about story. I was just like, I just need to understand what makes it compelling, what grabs attention? What is like a three arc structure? How does a movie written? And I kind of wrote it like a movie without you knowing.

• 17:24Chris Williamson?

  And what did you, or what have you come to learn about the most important basics when it comes to telling a good story?

• 17:30Andrew Schulz?

  I think stakes are really important. Problems are really important. It can't be, uh, uh, it can't be and then.

• 17:40Andrew Schulz?

  It has to be like, so we had to do this. And then it's just, I'm telling you another thing. This problem caused this.

• 17:49Chris Williamson?

  But then this happened.

• 17:51Andrew Schulz?

  Yes. So, so you're not just going, here's this series of events. Each event has to be a catalyst for the next one. This thing pushes and luckily or unluckily, however you look at it, you know, I want to look at it with a positive perspective. It's like, you know, the story kind of unfolded in a way that was, you know, kind of traditional in that story. And it worked, you know, we, it worked out. God bless, you know, not all the time it does. Yeah.

• 18:18Chris Williamson?

  There's a good use of omission, which is something I learned from Mr. Bolland.

• 18:22Andrew Schulz?

  Okay.

• 18:22Chris Williamson?

  He's a strange, dark and mysterious, so a huge YouTube channel, like 10 million, 50 million person.

• 18:27Andrew Schulz?

  My bad, my bad, my bad.

• 18:29Chris Williamson?

  It's all, uh, you know, like scary spooky story shit that people listen to. And, um, one of the things that he taught me on the pod last year was omission is really important.

• 18:39Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 18:39Chris Williamson?

  So continuing to set stuff up, but leaving out very key pieces of information would kind of beg the question or get there. And, you know, there's things where you could have told a story within 15 seconds. You can make it interesting for three minutes by not, the payoff is at the very, very end.

• 18:54Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, holding that attention.

• 18:56Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 18:56Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, people want to know, you know, or the people who relate to it. I think that's the, yeah, the, yeah, the coolest thing about it.

• 19:06Andrew Schulz?

  About the tour and I mean, outside of doing fucking arenas and shit, that's awesome. It's like what you dream of, like what I wrote down on little pieces of paper when I first started comedy, but was all these people who had come to the show and they were like going through it. And again, it's really isolating. Your best friends are probably going through IVF and they don't tell you. The women who are going through it, and if the issue is theirs, you definitely don't talk about it. Cause fertility is this like really volatile subject for women, right? Like they're pushing their baby making time back because they want to do these careers that they've been told that they should do. But some of them don't even really want to do it. And there's all these like weird societal expectations that we could get into is I think kind of interesting.

• 19:48Andrew Schulz?

  But, um, so if it's their fault, they're like just mortified to have to share. And they feel like there's maybe something wrong with them and.

• 19:57Chris Williamson?

  You're less of a woman?

• 19:58Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 19:58Chris Williamson?

  Or less of a man?

• 19:59Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, a hundred percent. And, um, and you go through that for a second. I, I never felt less of a man. What I thought was. Did I do something wrong that I'm being punished for? Like, why should I not?

• 20:12Chris Williamson?

  Retribution, righteous somehow.

• 20:13Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, why should I not have kids? Like, why does God not want me to have kids? Like, and I'm not like a religious person, really, but

• 20:21Andrew Schulz?

  we started going to church a bit, I'll tell you.

• 20:23Chris Williamson?

  It felt comic.

• 20:23Andrew Schulz?

  Say what?

• 20:24Chris Williamson?

  It felt comic.

• 20:25Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 20:25Chris Williamson?

  Some way, there's like.

• 20:26Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, I was like, did I do something to deserve this? Because you're trying to justify it, right? You're like, I'm a good person, I take care of my friends and my family, like, what the, what is this?

• 20:35Chris Williamson?

  I don't think I've mistreated my body that much.

• 20:37Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, so you try to find the justification for it. And then you got to switch that perspective to like, no, shit is hard. Life is hard and you could either fold or you could get after it, you know?

• 20:51Chris Williamson?

  A quick aside, if you're anything like me, traveling is great, but packing is like staring into the abyss while chewing glass, which is why I've partnered with Nomadic because their backpack is literally the greatest piece of luggage that's ever been invented. This 20 liter travel pack is what I used to fly around the world for four weeks, and this and Carry On was all that I needed. They're actually designed by someone who knows what it's like to pack for a trip. The bag is so good, it'll have you packing things you don't even need, some sort of weird flex. Best of all, if you're still on the fence, their products will last you literally a lifetime with their lifetime guarantee. So this is the final backpack that you'll ever need to buy. Plus, you can return or exchange any product within 30 days for any reason. So you can buy your new bag, fill it with possessions, try it for a month. If you don't like it, I'll give you your money back.

• 21:36Chris Williamson?

  Plus, they ship internationally. Right now, you can get a 20% discount, see everything I use and recommend by going to the link in the description below or heading to nomatic.com/mordenwisdom. That's nomatic.com slash

• 21:51Chris Williamson?

  modern wisdom. What's IVF like, the process of that?

• 21:54Andrew Schulz?

  It's hard for them, it's hard for, yeah, like, yeah. I mean, dearly, like, when they're on, my wife reacted pretty crazy to the drugs. Like, they, I mean, I talk about the special, but they shoot them up with all the hormones and like, you know, I didn't, we got into like an argument, like a full out argument in a Japanese restaurant. You don't realize how quiet Japanese restaurants are until like, you are full out arguing like elbow to elbow in a small New York City Japanese restaurant. And the only thing that interrupts it is when a new person walks in and samashen, samashen. Everybody stops and then we're back to fighting as they're slurping udon. It is a, uh, yeah, it's a, yeah, you get into it. You definitely get into it. But my wife was good, she didn't like resent me for it and she could have. She could have been like, you're the reason why I'm doing this.

• 22:39Andrew Schulz?

  And in no way did that come out. So a lot of credit there.

• 22:43Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, the, that line about you don't have problems, we have problems. We're a team, we're sort of taking on this battle together. It must be very reassuring. I have a friend whose wife went through IVF. She was 42, so she was really toward the end.

• 22:56Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 22:57Chris Williamson?

  And I think you can actually do this where you get to kind of, this is the last harvest of eggs that you have. This is a squeezing the very last few drops out of the sort of sponger fertility. And two stories, lovely woman, very smart, very balanced. One day threw a grapefruit at him so hard that it bruised his ribs. When, when she was going through the IVF.

• 23:17Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 23:17Chris Williamson?

  And then a couple of days later, she opened the front door and there was 30 Amazon boxes on the front porch.

• 23:24Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 23:24Chris Williamson?

  It's like, what the fuck is this? And they were all addressed to the house. It wasn't somebody else's thing. Brings them inside and starts opening them up. And it's like pink lace doilies and, and curtain ties and little coasters and, and bit like knickknacks and stuff. Like Dolores Umbridge from fucking Harry Potter.

• 23:44Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 23:45Chris Williamson?

  So nicely, nicely. And in some hormonal fugue state fever dream thing, she'd just gone on Amazon.

• 23:53Andrew Schulz?

  In a blackout.

• 23:54Chris Williamson?

  Literally, she like got wasted on progesterone.

• 23:57Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 23:57Chris Williamson?

  And just gone crazy on girly shit.

• 24:00Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 24:00Chris Williamson?

  What the fuck?

• 24:01Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 24:02Chris Williamson?

  It is wild.

• 24:03Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, she started nesting probably. They do that shit too, once they're deeper into the pregnancy.

• 24:07Chris Williamson?

  How so?

• 24:08Andrew Schulz?

  Hey, you just start like buying furniture and you start to like create your home. I think it's biological. Like they say this about women, but that's when, you know, it's taken.

• 24:15Chris Williamson?

  Curating the space.

• 24:16Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's amazing to see them. Yeah, I don't know. I hope it's something, I think pendulums have to swing, obviously. You know, you see it politically and I think you see it culturally. And I hope, yeah, maybe it swings back to the point where we start to value being a mom and like only being a mom as a societal benefit and not as somebody who's like taking the easy way out. I think that.

• 24:43Chris Williamson?

  Or someone who's been conned by the patriarchy into being a domestic prostitute somehow.

• 24:48Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 24:48Chris Williamson?

  Oh, sweetie, what a shame for you.

• 24:51Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think a lot of women who never had kids pushed out that ideology. And it's a, yeah, it's a, yeah, it's a tricky thing. And it is something that's like distinct to.

• 25:06Andrew Schulz?

  Places like this, like very, I guess you would say, modern places. And keep in mind, like, my mom worked. My dad worked for my mom. My mom had a dance studio. They taught ballroom dance lessons. But it was my mom's studio and my dad kind of like eventually came in and ran it. You know, he was a journalist and then he came in. And so I'm used to like women working and killing it. And

• 25:27Andrew Schulz?

  but there is this thing, like my, my wife is like very high performing, you know, like she got her MBA and then she like worked for Apple. She was like running AI projects at Apple. And then she was, she had to like grapple with this thing where it's like, I don't really want to do this. This doesn't make me happy. I'm kind of doing it because society wants me to do this and I want to prove that I'm, just because I'm a woman, I, it doesn't mean that I have to be this domesticated person. I can go out there, I can compete with every guy. Yeah. And then she had to just be like, I really want to be a mom. That's what my dream in life. I've always wanted to be a mom. And I would see her when she would bump into people she used to work with on the street and they'd be like, so, uh, where are you working now? And she'd be like, she would say, oh, I'm, um, yeah, I'm just a mom. And the just would kill me.

• 26:10Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. It's like, you would hope that we could set something up where you're like, I, I, I quit, man. You know, my baby was born. I was able to stay home with the baby.

• 26:19Chris Williamson?

  Actually, I'm a mom now.

• 26:20Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 26:21Chris Williamson?

  I don't work. I'm a mom now.

• 26:22Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, I do work. I'm a mom and, and we're lucky enough that we get to do it.

• 26:26Chris Williamson?

  I got promoted.

• 26:27Andrew Schulz?

  I got, exactly. Yeah. And I, and I think society should value that. And I think more women will choose that if they can. It's a luxury. It's a privilege. Yes. But I think that, I think probably Texas values that a little bit more. New York is, it's not very family oriented. And I was born and raised there, which is an insane thing, but it's, you go to New York to make it, you know? And, um, yeah, I'd like to see that. I'd like to see that switch up a little bit.

• 26:53Chris Williamson?

  There's a memetic sense to this. I think that, um, you kind of do what you see the people around you doing.

• 26:59Andrew Schulz?

  Oh, brother. Yeah. I mean, four people got pregnant during this tour. So we got pregnant.

• 27:07Chris Williamson?

  We.

• 27:08Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. I'm back on board. Fuck, you did catch me. Yeah. So yes, we got pregnant. Both of my openers got pregnant.

• 27:17Chris Williamson?

  Mark.

• 27:17Andrew Schulz?

  Mark and Derek. Derek's wife is now pregnant and are the person who does our visuals and lighting, Rob, who I think you met Rob and his wife Cheryl, they got pregnant with their second.

• 27:30Chris Williamson?

  Let me fuck pumping them out.

• 27:32Andrew Schulz?

  I mean, what does they say that there's some like some, you know, biblical term about like the power of the tongue? But it is the community that you keep and like, and you're seeing this thing happening. So crazy to see four of us. Everybody on the.

• 27:45Chris Williamson?

  The dominoes fell.

• 27:46Andrew Schulz?

  Isn't that nuts? So yeah, it was just this beautiful. Yeah, it was beautiful, beautiful thing to see happen.

• 27:53Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, I, uh, I, I do wonder what can be done to kind of pedestalize motherhood again.

• 28:00Andrew Schulz?

  I think it will happen naturally. Like, I think a lot of times like we see things that we think are like wrong societally. And then we try to like, push that, you know, progress or regress, whatever it is.

• 28:11Chris Williamson?

  Like speedrun it back to.

• 28:12Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. And you kind of can't this, this guy, Lil Duval is like a huge mentor of mine comedically. Like he would always speak about this. I mean, he's just like, like a brilliant philosopher that you wouldn't realize, but he is just, he's so brilliant. And, um, but he would always say this is like, you can't push people into things. They have to learn on their own. And then react to the errors of their ways. If it is even an error, but we're reactive, you know, and it's just like, like even politically, like what's happening right now, it's just reaction. You know, like this election is reaction. It's no, it's not going on podcasts. Everybody's like, oh, he went on, you, you, you guys in Theo and Rogan, and that's what changed the election. It's like, we didn't have zero impact on the election. Zero. Everybody had already decided and it might've made them feel more comfortable with their decision.

• 28:59Andrew Schulz?

  But I think that those decisions are made way before and it's just society reaction. Everybody thinks that like every person that voted for Trump is this like ride or die Trump guy. I think they're actually, the majority of people were rejecting a societal push in a direction that they didn't feel comfortable with. And I, yeah, I think that's.

• 29:21Chris Williamson?

  It's a lot of it is a protest vote.

• 29:23Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 29:24Chris Williamson?

  Against, it's not, I'm not voting for this thing. I'm voting not for that.

• 29:28Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, I think that's what happened with Trump when he lost, right? It was like, oh, this is too chaotic. I don't want to deal with this shit anymore. Give me the old guy. And it's like, it was a vote against Trump. It was like for Biden. And I think like the administration, you, comma, it doesn't matter. Everybody's like, all right, this is too, like, I don't, I'm not feel comfortable with my, with my life right now. Let's try something else. So, yeah, I think it was the protests.

• 29:49Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, I think that was one of the reasons that your special, again, when I saw it last year and then again now, was really important to give people something that feels a bit more grounded, real and meaningful and within their control.

• 30:01Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 30:01Chris Williamson?

  As opposed to coming out and going, you know, Zelensky, Trump was the Amber Heard, Johnny Depp of fucking 2025. Which by the way, I think is actually true. Like that reading should have fucking been done behind closed doors. Like, why the, why the press there watching this bullshit?

• 30:16Andrew Schulz?

  Well, they didn't think that's what was gonna happen. They thought it was gonna be a big announcement for a mineral deal.

• 30:21Chris Williamson?

  Blah, blah, blah.

• 30:22Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, and then it didn't go that way. And I think that, yeah, that's my assumption at least. I don't think Trump would ever put something out there where it could potentially look foolish, right? Like if.

• 30:32Chris Williamson?

  Didn't count for the wild card that is JD Vance.

• 30:35Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, I don't even think it was JD. I think Zelensky was just like, he, he should have just never agreed to it. He's like, hey, I don't like this deal, so let's not get in front of the cameras and do it. And I liked JD going, why are we litigating this in front of the American public? Like, that felt a little subversive and I could see like a negative reaction on it. Like, we're here to have a hurrah, let's high five moment. And this turned into not that.

• 31:00Chris Williamson?

  Maybe let's not do it here.

• 31:01Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. And JD, JD, you gotta, hey, watch out for that motherfucker, yo.

• 31:05Chris Williamson?

  He's gonna be around for a while.

• 31:07Andrew Schulz?

  Yo, it's like, I don't even, again, I don't react to like people based on their like political leaning. Like, I don't really care about that. Like, culture is way more interesting to me. I don't like, like, jumping on a side with these things. I understand that, like, people who don't know me at all and are like, this guy's some fucking right-wing MAGA lunatic. It's like, yeah, I have empathy for even thinking that. Like, you just see headlines, you see some crazy joke I told, like, I'm totally, I'm totally fine. I understand the world we live in, right? But for me, like, I just kind of look at, like, people and ideas, and I try to react to how, what public sentiment is to that. Like, I'm always reacting to feeling. I don't really react to a specific event, and I'm not trying to, like, explain logically the event. Like, I'm more interested in, like, the emotional reaction of things.

• 31:52Andrew Schulz?

  So like, when Mangione shot the dude, and then the internet kind of didn't really feel that bad, they were like joking around about it. I'm like, oh, this is, like, rich people, you gotta pay attention to this, because they don't care about y'all anymore. Like, any one of y'all could get killed and it would be fine. And if you're the billionaire class, you gotta be very aware that your life is not valued by the rest of us. That's a, and I'd imagine very rich people, if we're gonna look at this into like, in a microcosm, I imagine they, let's just assume, I don't think they're bad, by the way, but let's just assume that they want as much money as they possibly can. This is like an unfair assumption, but let's just play with this little thought experiment.

• 32:38Andrew Schulz?

  You also want comfort. You want as much money as you can get, but you also want comfort, right? So like, if you're living in some third world country and you're like the richest person there, it's not really comfortable. Because you know at any point in time, these people in fucking sandals could storm your house, and they take out the five security guards, and then they kidnap your whole family. It's not comfortable. One of the nice things about America is, like, being rich is comfortable, right? The first world, like, being rich, you can be comfortable. You don't have to worry about, like, your kid getting kidnapped. Like, fucking Canelo Alvarez, I think his brother got kidnapped like the week of his fight once, and nobody knew it. And it was just like a normal thing that happens. He's the boxer.

• 33:12Chris Williamson?

  It's just a Tuesday. It's like getting your flight delayed.

• 33:14Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, and he had to, like, work out the fucking payments, like, days before the fight. So this is a normal thing that you have to accept. So in order to make sure your life is comfortable, you have to make sure that the poorest people have enough to eat and get a roof over their head and provide for their family. They they probably don't need that much more. There's a lot of interesting distraction that goes on in America. There's a lot of things that they can take part in. They're like beautiful and amazing and it will pacify. But the second they go below, I can't feed myself and they have no hope of upward mobility. They'll kill you. That is a and and then when someone else kills you, they'll laugh about it. And they'll be like, good. So when I saw that, I was like, wow, Americans are very disillusioned.

• 33:58Andrew Schulz?

  I knew that they were disillusioned with like, you know, institutions. I knew that there was issues, obviously, with the medical, you know, industrial complex or whatever these terms they start building up. But that right there, that is a point of concern. And if you're the the really wealthy, you either got to beef up security or you got to be talking to Donald and you got to be talking to the senators and go, we need to do something for these people. Eggs got to be affordable. You you're pushing, it's you're squeezing them right now. And you can only squeeze them so far before you get the French Revolution. You know, you can't, you can't be like, all right, well, they don't got bread, give them cake or whatever that lady said.

• 34:35Chris Williamson?

  Let them eat fucking eggs. Yeah, it I was really, really surprised by that. As someone who I didn't have any health insurance in the U. S. Until the start of last year, because I didn't have a social security number and cages to get it set up and blah, blah. And I didn't know how many medical claims aren't verified or accepted or rejected. I didn't know how long it got pushed back for, how long people have to wait. Well, you can't go to that provider, the one that you want, you go to the one that we say, and then you can't do this. And it's going to take six months and so on and so forth. And then you get to the end of this thing and sorry, you're out of pocket. The number one reason for bankruptcy in America.

• 35:11Andrew Schulz?

  Is medical.

• 35:12Chris Williamson?

  Medical debt.

• 35:13Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. I mean, dude, you see the same reaction to those California fires. The the second people started to hear was like celebs houses. They're like, ah, I'll figure it out. Like, they didn't really care, like Californians were really concerned about it. Outside of California, the sentiment was kind of like, eh, you guys will be all right.

• 35:29Chris Williamson?

  If not outright applause.

• 35:32Andrew Schulz?

  And you gotta pay attention to that culturally. These are the things that if you're a politician, you've really got to listen to. And I feel like, I feel like that's what the Dems and I'm a lifelong, I come from a dance family in New York City. Like, what do you think my political leanings have been my entire life? I, I grew up in the arts, going to ballet, a dance family in New York City, right? So you gotta look at this, like Dems gotta look at this and they gotta start going, okay, what are we missing here? We're not listening to the people. I think sometimes there can be a little bit of a pretentiousness with, with the Dems, like where they're like, because the party is kind of ruled by these like Ivy League elites that, you know, pat themselves on the back for like caring about the oppressed and the ostracized. And they're so detached from them that they're just like, we know what you guys need, so

• 36:16Andrew Schulz?

  we'll do it. And look, look, we're doing it, right? There's this pat on the back. And I mean, like, you, they, they literally need to look at Bernie. You like her politics or not, but AOC, like AOC, if you want to look at data, like she, I think polled the same as Trump in her district. Now, why is that? There's a polar opposites.

• 36:40Chris Williamson?

  I don't know, there's, it wouldn't surprise me if we see the pendulum swinging back. I can already see some, you know, the, the anti-woke stuff that was like super cool for the last eight years, something like that.

• 36:51Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, it's, that's over.

• 36:52Chris Williamson?

  So woke was over for a little while, but anti-woke was lagging behind it.

• 36:57Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 36:57Chris Williamson?

  Right?

• 36:57Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 36:58Chris Williamson?

  And now when I see this crazy bathroom pronoun-y thing online, it just feels like, dude, this was maybe-

• 37:05Andrew Schulz?

  How much are eggs, Yo?

• 37:06Chris Williamson?

  This was maybe interesting and cool when you were speaking truth to power as a rebellious anarchist that was outside of the system.

• 37:13Andrew Schulz?

  That had money.

• 37:13Chris Williamson?

  But now you're inside the tent pissing out.

• 37:15Andrew Schulz?

  Sure, there's one thing about the inside the tent, but most people aren't even in the tent. Caring about your bathroom experience is way later after I could afford eggs.

• 37:28Andrew Schulz?

  Do you know what I mean? Like, if I can't afford eggs, I don't care where you go to the bathroom. I don't care what your pronoun is. Like, I don't care. Like, those things don't matter to me. If you got a house, or you're a fucking fourth generation nepo baby from like a this like incredibly wealthy family, of course, your life is so good. I I should figure out how I can make all these, you know, ostracides groups comfortable. But somebody that can't afford eggs and is about to default on their loan, forget it. They can't even pay their rent. Owning a home is like a completely different. They don't care. Like, even right now, everybody's like, oh, the economy's tanking. What's going on? Okay. Housing prices are gonna come down and then the the stock market's going down, right?

• 38:09Andrew Schulz?

  Do you think that Trump's supporters have money invested in the stock market? Do you think they own homes? It's the LA fires again. It's they're just watching rich people lose some of their rich. They don't give a fuck. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, so so you have to be like really tuned in to like how people are emotionally reacting to this stimulus. And I think that's, to me, the advice that I try to give Dems is like, make it a class issue and you win every single time. There's a reason why people fuck with Bernie Sanders and AOC for that.

• 38:42Chris Williamson?

  Cuts across all of the other groups.

• 38:44Andrew Schulz?

  Yo, he's saying, rich people got a lot of money. You don't got a lot of money. We need to get you money. The only way to get it to you is by taking from them.

• 38:51Chris Williamson?

  Doesn't matter about who you're having sex with. It doesn't matter about the color of your skin.

• 38:53Andrew Schulz?

  Hey, make it a class issue. The reason they don't is because a lot of them are in bed with these billion dollar corporations. So they can't make it a class issue because the people paying them are that high class. So they're like, uh, trans, uh, bathrooms. They have to make it about these identity politics issues because they can't target the real fucking issue, which is huge wealth inequality in America. I don't know how to solve it. I'm not smart enough to figure that shit out. But I do know what the problem is and what exists and what resonates with people. And that's AOC. She, like her politics or not, doesn't fucking matter. Every day she's going, hey, them rich people are trying to fuck you. Amazon's trying to not pay you. And the people in her neighborhood, the people who are voting for her going, I do feel like she's trying to help me out.

• 39:37Andrew Schulz?

  And they also feel Trump is trying to help her out. So where is that Venn diagram hitting? That's it.

• 39:44Chris Williamson?

  Being a podcaster isn't always as glamorous as it seems. For instance, I just took a three hour Uber ride from Houston, Texas to make this episode and seeing that it is currently midnight and I just done the equivalent of four cups of coffee, falling asleep will be at least a bit of a struggle. But thanks to Momentous's magnesium L38, I should be able to sleep like a corpse because L38 is uniquely able to cross the blood brain barrier, boosting memory, focus and cognitive function, all while also improving sleep and reducing stress. And if you're still on the fence, Momentous offers a 30 day money back guarantee. So you can buy it and try it for 29 nights. If you do not love it, if it doesn't help your sleep, I'll just give you your money back and they ship internationally.

• 40:25Chris Williamson?

  Right now, you can get 20% off everything site wide and that 30 day money back guarantee by going to the link in the description below or heading to livemomentous.com/ModernWisdom and using the code MODERNWISDOM at checkout. That's L I V E M O M E N T O U S dot com slash Modern Wisdom and Modern Wisdom at checkout. You did a bunch of shows in the UK.

• 40:46Andrew Schulz?

  Oh, yeah.

• 40:47Chris Williamson?

  On this last tour. Talk to me about what you learned, differences, similarities, UK, US.

• 40:52Andrew Schulz?

  Um, similarities, like, oh, you know, it was really interesting to find out like how like culturally distinct the little towns in England are. That's really cool. Like to know that like Liverpool and Manchester are 30 minutes apart, but they're two completely different like ethnic groups. So to me, like going to the UK, I think a lot of times we just treat white people as a monolith and the UK is a perfect example of like why you can't even do that in a tiny little country. And these like little idiosyncrasies of these, these two cities that are 30 minutes away from one another.

• 41:27Chris Williamson?

  And uh. Sound anything alike, different lifestyles.

• 41:30Andrew Schulz?

  It's crazy.

• 41:31Chris Williamson?

  Different football teams.

• 41:32Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. And it's, uh, so to me, that was really exciting, going into these little places. And whenever I go into a place, I, I just really like, I'm, I don't know, I'm curious. I, you know, my dad was a really curious guy and I always want to learn a little bit about something and like try to write some jokes that reflect that. And, um. Yeah, maybe for a few minutes in the set, they get to feel really seen or kind of recognized by someone they might not think would do that. And um, but yeah, I love that. You know, going to Scotland was awesome. My mom's born and raised in Scotland, so doing that show there was really great.

• 42:05Chris Williamson?

  What'd you do, the Hydro Glasgow?

• 42:06Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, is it the Hydro?

• 42:08Chris Williamson?

  SSE?

• 42:09Andrew Schulz?

  It looks like a armadillo.

• 42:11Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 42:12Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And um, and also just the way that they react to stand up like, like with the Scotland show, I could have just talked to them for three hours. Like, they just wanted to be in the room and like telling stories like on some bonfire shit. And it was like I did.

• 42:28Chris Williamson?

  They're just happier there, you know, it's fucking miles away from everything.

• 42:31Andrew Schulz?

  It is that.

• 42:31Chris Williamson?

  Ah, he came.

• 42:32Andrew Schulz?

  But there's also like this, I think there's like a cultural sentiment. It's like this, and I think you also get in another place and there's this like pub culture where we're all hanging. And here's this thing and I'm gonna share with you and you guys are involved and there's gonna be some quip and we're gonna have. I also think there's a little catharsis for them because like it's a little bit more censored out there. So then when I come and I'm saying these jokes that are kind of wild, they get to, they get to have this experience. It's kind of more similar to their everyday lives. Like there's a public persona you have to put on and then when you're at the bar with your boys, there's a very different version of you. So now they're in public, but they get that same version. So I think that was cool. Ireland was just great. Yeah, it was awesome, man. I will say that the Middle East was more

• 43:17Andrew Schulz?

  uh, aware of American culture though than the UK.

• 43:21Chris Williamson?

  That's interesting.

• 43:22Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 43:22Chris Williamson?

  Why do you think that is?

• 43:24Andrew Schulz?

  I think that uh, they're all educated here. And because of that, they're acutely aware of our stuff and also all their TV and stuff comes from here because they're not producing their own. You guys are producing your own shit, right? Like you have all your own TV shows, you love Ireland, like everybody knows these like things that you don't really know about our Real Housewives of fucking Utah or whatever. But in the Middle East, they're getting all of our shit because they're not producing a lot of their own shit yet.

• 43:50Chris Williamson?

  Well, you don't know what's going on actually in the Middle East. That's fucking.

• 43:54Andrew Schulz?

  Exactly. We need to not look into that at all. Yes, give me Housewives. Yeah. So, so that was, that was really fun too. Yeah, it was great, man. It was great.

• 44:04Chris Williamson?

  James, the other half of Mutonic went to go.

• 44:06Andrew Schulz?

  I love James, man. James is so funny.

• 44:08Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, and he was like.

• 44:10Andrew Schulz?

  They just had a baby, didn't they?

• 44:11Chris Williamson?

  Yep.

• 44:11Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, congrats, man.

• 44:12Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's holding it down. He did fucking fifteen minutes on Aussie shit. It's like, where the fuck did he get fifteen minutes on Aussie shit?

• 44:20Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That Aussie run was fun. Usually I'm only in town for a day, but I got to be in Australia for like a, almost like a couple of weeks. So by the time I got to, I think it was Sydney, I had kind of worked out.

• 44:34Chris Williamson?

  Some stuff.

• 44:34Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, like I was like, oh, I got a nice little chunk. And that was, uh, yeah, that was, that was really cool. And it's a cool thing to give them, you know, it's, I think a lot of, I guess a lot, I think a lot of comics can go to wherever and just do their set. And I have my set, but it's also a nice thing to go to like a completely different country and like tap into little specific things there.

• 44:55Chris Williamson?

  Was there anywhere that you went? How many dates did you do?

• 44:58Andrew Schulz?

  Oh God, I don't know. So I was on tour for two years. I was probably developing it for, this whole process is probably three years in the making from like building the hour and then touring it and, yeah.

• 45:09Chris Williamson?

  Was there anywhere that sort of sticks out in your mind as being, holy fuck, the reaction sort of emotionally?

• 45:14Andrew Schulz?

  The MSG was the craziest. That just felt like the whole city was rooting for me. And which is like the greatest honor. It's like, if there's one thing I identify as, as a New Yorker, like I'd probably identify that as before, before having a kid, I identified that as before anything, before being like a white guy. Yeah, before I'm American, I'm a New Yorker. Like, so just to see the whole city like excited for me. He was like, one of us did it. Like, I don't even know how many New Yorkers have done MSG, you know, and so.

• 45:44Chris Williamson?

  Hometown hero.

• 45:45Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, it just felt like I did something good for the city. And I'm so, I just love New York. Like I, I'm even annoyed now. There's like this push about like the liberal cities are falling apart. It's like, none of you want to live anywhere else. Shut up. You, you shut up. Like, I know you moved to Austin, but come on. You don't want to be here. Like, you know what I mean? It's okay. It's, it's okay. Like I tell people, like, it was like, Austin's so amazing. I go, okay, stop. Do you want to be a standup comedian? Okay, yeah, move to Austin. The opportunities for you, like Rogue and Kill Tony, all these things where you see young comics exploding are here. I get it. But like, you're not moving here for this like rich cultural experience. Do you know what I mean? There's like two restaurants. Everybody's, yeah, the food is so good. It's like, yeah, because you are from Montana.

• 46:29Andrew Schulz?

  You know what I mean? Like you have a fucking PF Chang's and then you move here and you go to Uchi and you're like, oh, wow, this is fucking good. Yeah. There's 17 Uchis in a three block radius in New York. Like, why are we even having this conversation? So it's, I think that the coastal cities need to get back to our elitism a little bit. I think we're a little like sad or like insecure or something like that right now. And it's just like, all right.

• 46:50Chris Williamson?

  But there's still some hangover from COVID, I think, you know?

• 46:53Andrew Schulz?

  Of course.

• 46:53Chris Williamson?

  New York and LA put their, both of their feet inside of their mouths for a fucking two years straight.

• 46:58Andrew Schulz?

  Of course, of course. And it was bad and it sucked the way they handled it. You know what I mean? And it's a very different thing to handle, obviously, when you're living on top of each other and you're all going on subways together.

• 47:07Chris Williamson?

  Super dense, yeah.

• 47:08Andrew Schulz?

  It's a different problem to solve. Like, everybody lives in their own house and you live a mile away from each other. Yeah, you can make shit a little bit less restrictive, you know what I mean? But when you live in an apartment building, you need some fucking rules. You know what I mean? Like, the Puerto Ricans got to turn the music off at 10. That's a rule. That's government overreach and I'm happy about it. And you don't understand it because you don't have an entire Puerto Rican family above you blasting Bad Bunny at fucking 11 o'clock while your baby's trying to go to sleep. So there's certain things where you start to appreciate government overreach and where they come from. And then there's some where you're like, okay, this is ridiculous. I can't renovate my home without going to 15 different government agencies to get permission to put a mirror in my bathroom. It gets a little ridiculous. But in terms of like the great established cities in America, like, like, what are we talking about?

• 47:52Andrew Schulz?

  Like, if your tax, the tax rates were the same in Austin as they were in New York, none of y'all would live here. So stop acting like this is this amazing play. It's like, you want to save money. You're millionaires. I get it. It's millions of dollars. I get it. And none of you are like from New York, so you don't have any connection to it. But like, to get me to move out of New York, do you know the deal I would have to sign? And I would do it if it was the right number. But like, it's a tax saving thing. I, it's, just say you're saving money. That's my thing. Like, and save the money. Do it. But don't give me the shit about, oh, this city is so amazing. Your plane couldn't even land because of the wind. Fucking Wizard of Oz? What are we talking about?

• 48:33Andrew Schulz?

  You know what I mean? I'm eating a salad today. A tomato flew off the salad, hit me in the chest. And I'm like, this is a city? Like, people choose to live here? The wind is taking tomatoes off of my plate, right? So let's just, let's just have an honest assessment of what's going on here. Will you pay 12% more to not live here? I will, but I'm from New York and I love it. If you, if you're from another city and you just went to New York to make it and it looks like there's more opportunities here, then fucking move here. Were you crazy? Why would you not do that?

• 49:01Chris Williamson?

  I think you need a very particular type of nervous system to live in New York. You need to be okay with chaos at all times. Like, there, there doesn't seem to be much, and I guess you can be in different areas. New York is not just one thing, right?

• 49:13Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 49:13Chris Williamson?

  And go fucking like upstate and whatever. But if you're talking anywhere around Manhattan, it's like you need to be able, you're in cocaine, first line cocaine energy at all times.

• 49:21Andrew Schulz?

  All times. I mean, yeah, I'm, I'm just, I'm used to chaos. Chaos is comforting to me. I get more comfortable, the more chaotic is.

• 49:28Chris Williamson?

  I asked Sam Morril about this and he said, uh, what was it that you can walk down the street, bump into somebody and think to yourself, I hope that guy dies, but later that night you think to yourself, good day.

• 49:39Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, yeah, that's funny. That's funny. Yeah, yeah, it's a shout out Sam, man. Yeah, that is a, yeah, there is just a unique energy. It's, and I guess you, I think, I think growing up with it obviously makes it much easier to handle. I think it's probably daunting for people to move there. And that's why I say like, you shouldn't move there unless you wanna make it. It doesn't matter what you wanna make it in. You wanna make it in finance? Okay, do that. You wanna make it in, you know, you wanna be a doctor, whatever the fuck you wanna do, do it. But like, just moving there for comfort is a stupid thing.

• 50:11Chris Williamson?

  Yep.

• 50:12Andrew Schulz?

  You're gonna spend tons of money and you're not gonna be comfort. There's no comfort. It's not comfortable.

• 50:18Chris Williamson?

  But there is opportunity.

• 50:19Andrew Schulz?

  There's opportunity. And you'll be the greatest at what you do. It's like the greatest of what they do come from there. Simple as that.

• 50:26Chris Williamson?

  Well, you have to be in order to survive, or else you just get chewed up and.

• 50:28Andrew Schulz?

  You're not the greatest unless you've lived in New York. Nobody who's the greatest at what they do in America has not spent time in New York. And you could say anything. Like, I, I'm just trying to think anything, like, who? Just, let's say it, like, whatever. Any comedian, they lived in New York. I'm sorry. They, they lived in New York. Anyone that is the greatest lived in New York.

• 50:51Andrew Schulz?

  You gotta pass through. You gotta, because if you wanna be the best, you gotta be with the best, and that's where they are. Any banker, you lived in New York. Name, any chef, you lived in New York.

• 51:01Chris Williamson?

  To write, write a passage.

• 51:03Andrew Schulz?

  You gotta. It's, it's not even like, how, how do we even know you're that good unless you can do it here? Like, if you can make it here, you make it anywhere. That's, that's a real statement.

• 51:11Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, the, the energy of New York kind of reminds me of what the news feels like at the moment. It's like unrelenting. And I was talking to Segura about this, that it's been, what, two months now? Less than two months Trump's been in office.

• 51:24Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 51:24Chris Williamson?

  And I've already got such fucking news and like Trump fatigue.

• 51:29Andrew Schulz?

  I thought we were over this shit. It's so exhausting. I thought this time around, people would be like, okay, whatever.

• 51:35Chris Williamson?

  Been there, seen it, done it.

• 51:36Andrew Schulz?

  But no, it's, it's actually.

• 51:38Chris Williamson?

  I'm getting really, really like, I just, I can't, I'm checking out so much. And I'm aware this is a position of privilege, not need to care about what politics is impacting your life. Like, in some ways, maybe not needing to listen to the news is kind of that.

• 51:50Andrew Schulz?

  Once you have kids, bro, you, none of this, you don't care. You, you care about like big ticket things that could affect them, but your life becomes so small. That's the other thing. It's like, people aren't having kids until like later. So that's why you get all these people that are like really active on the internet. Cause they're just bored. They have nothing to do. They wanna like feel part of something. They wanna make change. They don't realize it, right? This is like something that's happening internally, but like everything just feels like the biggest deal. Once you like, you don't see like a mom with three kids at like a protest during the week. Do you know what I mean? Like she's trying to get them to nap. You know what I mean? You never see a mom with mayonnaise on her sweater at some fucking random protest for Tesla.

• 52:28Chris Williamson?

  How have you changed since you've become a dad?

• 52:31Andrew Schulz?

  Just the outside stuff doesn't matter as much. Like I just care about like how my wife, my, my, my daughter, my, how, think about me. Like if my wife and my daughter are happy with me, like if my daughter's happy with me, I can even deal with my wife being pissed like. And then, you know, everything just gets a little bit smaller. You, you're, you know, it's like, um.

• 52:52Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, it's just amazing. It's like the only thing you think about all day, pretty much. You know, just that little, you know, that little, little girl. And it's just really awesome. And you've become like a real person. I'm not saying you're not a real person, but like, you just, there's a difference. Like, once you have a family, like you're invested in the world in a way, different way. And you become like a real human being, like even on stage, the second I mention that I have a kid, like my relation to the audience is completely different. I'm not just some asshole with a fucking part in my hair, like talking shit about all these things, like everything actually impacts me.

• 53:23Chris Williamson?

  Publicly masturbating. Look at how great I am.

• 53:25Andrew Schulz?

  What an asshole. What an asshole to do that. But now that I have a kid and like, anytime I bring up some trans shit or some vaccine shit, it's like, no, I have an actual reason to do that. You know what I mean? Like this impacts.

• 53:36Chris Williamson?

  I've got skin in the game, beyond just my own sense of being important.

• 53:39Andrew Schulz?

  Exactly. You know, so it's a beautiful thing. Like, I think it brings out like the, the best version of people. I see the best version of people with their kids.

• 53:47Chris Williamson?

  I've got this theory that, uh, because people are having kids later, especially guys, that, uh, a lot of the stuff that people invest themselves into, the personal development, the self-growth,

• 53:58Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 53:59Chris Williamson?

  the business, the, the, the muscle gain, all of that stuff. Uh, a lot of those projects are surrogate families because you haven't had one yet.

• 54:06Andrew Schulz?

  Oh, wow.

• 54:08Chris Williamson?

  And

• 54:08Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 54:09Chris Williamson?

  all of the energy that would be put into protect baby, protect wife, or protect baby, protect husband, like, uh, do the thing, homemaking is, well, I don't have that, but I've still got this sort of sense to be agentic and make something happen in the world.

• 54:23Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 54:23Chris Williamson?

  But I, I don't have this, the thing. I don't have the little thing.

• 54:26Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 54:26Chris Williamson?

  So I'm going to put it into a business. I'm going to put it into a side project or into my body or into my mindfulness or into my political party or whatever it might be.

• 54:33Andrew Schulz?

  Which is great. Like, especially where you're putting it into your body. I think that's great. Like, I love the longevity stuff. Uh, you know, if you have a kid, you want to live longer, you know, naturally. Um. Yeah, I like, I like that, but I think that you're right because there's no way that like my wife would be like, hey, could you change the kid's diaper? And I'd be like, I have two minutes left in my ice bath. I'm sorry, I, you know, I need my ice bath for the next two minutes. You'll have to change the diaper. Like that doesn't exist, you know? So you have to, you have to manipulate and change your life.

• 55:05Chris Williamson?

  Before we continue, if you've been feeling a little bit sluggish or you haven't been performing in the gym or the bedroom, the way that you would like, your testosterone levels might be the problem. They play a massive role in your energy and performance. Being able to see them charted over the course of a year with actionable insights about how to actually improve them gives you a clear path to making your life better, which is why I partnered with Function because I wanted a smarter, more comprehensive way to understand what's happening inside of my body. Twice a year, they run lab tests that monitor over a hundred biomarkers and their team of expert physicians will analyze the data and give you actionable advice to improve your health and lifespan. Getting these lab tests done would usually cost thousands, but with Function, it's only $500. And right now, you can get the exact same blood panels that I get and bypass their waitlist

• 55:48Chris Williamson?

  by going to the link in the description below or heading to functionhealth.com/ModernWisdom. That's functionhealth.com/ModernWisdom. Did you find that, uh, I don't know, some of the more egotistical or like self-centered concerns that you had and things that you used to sort of worry yourself with dropped away? Was it almost like you sort of cleansed yourself of that because you've got something that is so dependent on you that worrying about have I optimized my ice bath? Have I, where, where am I at with such and such? It's like all of that fluff gets stripped back because you're just looking after the kid.

• 56:24Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, like I would say like any kind of longevity stuff is just so I can play paddle. Do you know paddle, the sport? Yeah, like, so like anything about me, like I go to like PT and do all this stuff, but it is just so I can continue playing this one thing, which is like a beautiful moment of distraction that takes me away from the, the lovely anxiety of, you know, bringing a human being into this world, you know? But yeah, it's, yeah, I, yeah, there's this thing. And also like every single day you feel purposeful. That's the other thing about having a kid that you don't realize it's like, uh, You feel proud of yourself by like three. You know, like when you don't have a kid and it's like a weekend and you're like party the night before and you're just like hungover and shit and like. You party the night before and then you have a kid and you're up and taking care of it.

• 57:09Andrew Schulz?

  By like noon, you're like, I'm the man, like, I should party some.

• 57:13Chris Williamson?

  After a life.

• 57:14Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, like there, there isn't this like guilt and shame that you put on yourself. Like, what am I doing in my life?

• 57:19Chris Williamson?

  Why am I fucking doing all these? Needs to always be creating stuff in the world because you've already done the creation.

• 57:25Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, like I probably drink way more now. But I'm looking after my kid. So I'm like, I'm a responsible human being like this is.

• 57:32Chris Williamson?

  Or a functioning alcoholic.

• 57:33Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, whatever it is, you know, but yeah, no, it's, it's cool, man. Do you want them?

• 57:38Chris Williamson?

  I can't wait to be a dad.

• 57:39Andrew Schulz?

  And.

• 57:39Chris Williamson?

  Absolutely can't wait to be.

• 57:40Andrew Schulz?

  What's your process with that? Like, how is it hard to meet people? Like, you're obviously, you know, successful, handsome guy, charming, smart, like. Do you find it difficult to connect with the women?

• 57:50Chris Williamson?

  Hmm. It's weird dating when you're a little bit older, like I'm thirty seven, I was thirty seven last week and uh. That's an interesting one because the longer that you wait, the kind of higher that your bar gets. And it's this sort of sunk cost fallacy thing where you think, well, I've waited this long. Are you, what's the point? You know, things.

• 58:09Andrew Schulz?

  You want to settle.

• 58:10Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, the, the things have to become more perfect, which, you know, in itself is a, a difficult circle to square because you also know, well, fucking clock's ticking, dude.

• 58:17Andrew Schulz?

  Well.

• 58:18Chris Williamson?

  Hurry up.

• 58:18Andrew Schulz?

  Think about that. So the older you get, the higher your bar is. And the older a woman gets.

• 58:27Andrew Schulz?

  The lower her bars. Cause she's running out of time. So it puts you guys in very difficult situations, right? And there's this crazy societal expectation, like women's moms really put on women like get, you gotta get married, like the second they're fucking eleven. They're like, you gotta get married, you gotta have kid, you gotta like this pressure, pressure, pressure. So I think women are.

• 58:52Andrew Schulz?

  I think women's greatest fear is being alone, not being with the wrong person. And our greatest fear is being with the wrong person. Like, I didn't meet my wife until late for the same reason. I was like, I don't want to settle. I don't want to be with somebody. You know, like, I figured out more or less how to like, date and like, I, I figured out like, kind of like, what that person wanted and I can kind of like be that version of that. But it didn't make me happy, right? Which I imagine you've probably gone through in your life. Like, you know, you probably had tons of different girls. Like, oh, this girl needs a listener. Oh, this girl needs this and, but you're not being you. So you're not going to connect with that person. But the tricky thing is that women, because they're so afraid of being alone, I think a lot of them, they end up being with guys they don't really like. And that's what I think this like ick red flag culture is.

• 59:37Andrew Schulz?

  Have you heard of women all on the internet talking about their icks and their red flags?

• 59:42Andrew Schulz?

  When you're with someone you don't like, everything about them is irritating. So you don't actually have the ick. You're not, there aren't actually red flag. Oh, I don't like a guy when it's raining, he raises his shoulders. You know, I don't like a guy who like yawns without his hand in his mouth. Like these stupid things that really would never impact how a girl feels about you.

• 1:00:04Andrew Schulz?

  You just hate the guy you're with, but you're terrified of being alone. Because if you like the guy, that would be cute. Everything we do is cute. The amount of, like, my wife watches me pick my nose, ball up the booger and just flick it out of the playpen because I'm playing with my daughter. And she's just like, that was disgusting. And it's fine. It doesn't impact how much she loves me at all. I'm farting left and right. I'm doing all these disgusting red flag ick things. But she loves me. So it doesn't matter. You know what I mean? And I think that, I think that, yeah, like, I, I never understood this like ick red flag culture. I was like, are women just like annoyed with us? What the fuck is going on? No, they don't want to be alone. And they're with guys they do not fucking like. It's a big, it's a huge issue.

• 1:00:47Chris Williamson?

  Well, there's a problem. Someone gave me this piece of advice not long ago. As I, they said, do you want to be a dad? And I said, yes, I can't wait to be a dad. They sort of wagged my, wagged their finger in, in my face. And they said, make sure that you fall in love with the girl, not the institution. And the point being, if you want to be a dad, or if you want to be a mom, a lot.

• 1:01:05Andrew Schulz?

  Great advice.

• 1:01:06Chris Williamson?

  You can, what was it they said? Uh, with rose colored glasses on, red flags don't look red.

• 1:01:11Andrew Schulz?

  Hmm.

• 1:01:12Chris Williamson?

  Like, if you just want the thing.

• 1:01:14Andrew Schulz?

  Yep.

• 1:01:14Chris Williamson?

  I want to be a dad. I want to be a mom. I want to be married. I want to be not alone. Whatever the thing that you want, you're able to, ah, not so big of a deal. And it's like, you're not getting married to marriage. You're getting married to a person.

• 1:01:25Andrew Schulz?

  Yep.

• 1:01:26Chris Williamson?

  You're not having a baby with the process of childhood. You're having a baby with another human.

• 1:01:31Andrew Schulz?

  That's a great piece of advice, dude. That is like, yeah, that's magnificent. And it's so true. You gotta find that connection with that person, where even if you didn't have kids, you would be happy. You just love that person. And then kids are these blessings because that irritation will build. I'm sure you've dated people that like, you thought you liked in the beginning, and then eventually it wasn't there. And it's just like, every little thing drove you fucking crazy. And that, we, hopefully at that point, we start going, I don't want to be with you. Or we just treat him shitty, which is the worst version of it.

• 1:02:03Chris Williamson?

  Hoping that they'll like, uh, it's the equivalent of you can't find me, I quit. But he's trying to get the other person to realize that. I'm not going to fire you. I'm going to make you quit.

• 1:02:11Andrew Schulz?

  I'm gonna be a coward. That's, uh, yeah.

• 1:02:14Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. I had a, I had a conversation with a friend a little while ago, and, um, he had this sentence where he said, all my life I was worried that I was a coward. And then he had a bunch of, a sequence of really, really tough events happened to him. He said, you know, I always like surrounded myself with hard men. I always thought I was a bit of a hard man. And, you know, I did martial arts and, you know, it was like around people that were ex, like special forces and stuff like that. It's like, but I never really, really tested myself. And then one day, like, the world came and I, it wasn't discomfort that I'd chosen. It was discomfort that was forced on me by the world, maybe like having a fertility.

• 1:02:50Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:02:51Chris Williamson?

  Or, or whatever. And, uh, he said, all my life I'd heard my better self clearing his throat in the room next door.

• 1:02:57Andrew Schulz?

  Hmm.

• 1:02:59Chris Williamson?

  And one day this thing happened and he was like, I wonder if he's gonna kick the door in and fucking stop coughing and come through. He was like, he did.

• 1:03:05Andrew Schulz?

  That's good.

• 1:03:06Chris Williamson?

  And, uh, but courage. Yeah, I think you can pretty much.

• 1:03:11Chris Williamson?

  Like life, your, your life is kind of restricted by the amount of courage that you're prepared to deploy. And I mean, how many, how long have everybody listening to this stayed in relationships because they were terrified of breaking somebody else's heart that was dependent on them or losing the love of somebody that they felt it was unrequited and they needed the validation of. And like, it's noble and understandable and sensitive and largely driven by fear and cowardice. And if you had, like, you know, a cool question to ask yourself would be, what would I do if I had three times the bravery? Like, what would I do?

• 1:03:45Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:45Chris Williamson?

  What decisions would I make?

• 1:03:46Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:47Chris Williamson?

  If I was like three times as brave as I am?

• 1:03:49Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. Well, yeah, a lot of times we think that, uh, it's not a lack of bravery, but it's a, it's a, it's too much compassion. You know, like breaking up with this person would be too hurtful for them. And we don't realize that like, being with them when you don't like them is actually way more hurtful. And we don't even realize it's this bravery deficit. We're like, ah, I'm too, I'm too nice. I'm just too nice. I don't want to hurt her. Yeah, you're being, yeah, you're being a pussy. And we've all been pussies. I've been pussy tons of fucking times. And then we're like retrofit justifications. We're like, no, man, just about being loyal and committing to something. It's like, yeah, you do that when you find the right girl. When you find the right girl, you commit to it and you work everything out. And that is another thing, too. It's like marriages, you look at it in movies and shit like that. And you think it's just, oh, this is just

• 1:04:33Andrew Schulz?

  going to be super sweet and perfect and every single thing. No, no, it's fucking hard. When you do it with the right person, you're willing to work through all those difficult times. And then you get confidence in your ability to work through difficult shit.

• 1:04:45Chris Williamson?

  You two against the hard, not you two against each other. Yeah. Um, what changes in a, a relationship or sort of what have you noticed about stuff that's interesting to navigate once there's a third participant?

• 1:04:59Andrew Schulz?

  So like, there's this part of you that you want your kids to know how loved they are. Like, I don't ever want my daughter to even understand what it is to be like a dork, because it's so normal. You know what I mean? Like, I, like, my, my friend, uh, so my friend Jamil, like, he reminded me this recently. Like, my dad was just the best. He was just the fuck. He was at every single basketball game, whatever. And he goes, And he was like, he was almost like a surrogate dad to a lot of my friends, you know, like he was just like.

• 1:05:28Chris Williamson?

  So much dad energy that he had it spilling over around the cup.

• 1:05:32Andrew Schulz?

  Loved it. He just loved it. Like he was just whatever they needed. Like I remember one of my boys got into like trouble on some gang shit and like, my dad, I was like, yeah, I think he, he can't like leave his house. Like they're like, there's this gang that's kind of like after him or whatever. And, um, and, uh, and I was like, yeah, we gotta help him out. And my dad was like, well, yeah, why don't we just go get the car and go pick him up? And I was like, are you sure you feel comfortable with that? He's like, yeah. So we like drive a Toyota Sienna minivan into the fucking heart of the Bronx. And we're like picking up my boy so he doesn't get murdered by this gang. And it's just the type of like, he didn't even think twice about it. Like it's just kind of who he is. And, um, so you, there's all this focus on like, okay, I want her to feel loved. I want her to feel supported. I want,

• 1:06:14Andrew Schulz?

  anytime she shows excitement around me, I want that to be met. I don't want her to feel like ignored. And

• 1:06:21Andrew Schulz?

  I, I notice, uh, so I'll like call my wife to FaceTime like and around the baby's naps. So if I'm like at work or something like that, like I'm just, I know when the baby's up, boom, the call. And, um, I called my wife, I think it was today and, uh, she was like in the car coming back from like a class or something. And then she's like, oh, I know you're calling to say hi to, to Shiloh, but, uh, I'm not home just yet. And I was like, oh, fuck. I gotta call to say hi to you more too. Like it's very easy to, to, to just put all the focus on your daughter. And they cannot resent you for that because they love that you're so committed to this child.

• 1:06:57Chris Williamson?

  You're being a good dad.

• 1:06:58Andrew Schulz?

  Yes, but.

• 1:06:59Chris Williamson?

  Not necessarily a great husband.

• 1:07:01Andrew Schulz?

  You gotta also, I, I realize I gotta also be making those calls when it's just her and just talking to her and putting that time.

• 1:07:08Chris Williamson?

  Is it challenging to keep the romance alive?

• 1:07:11Andrew Schulz?

  I mean, yeah, I mean, like, of course, you know, that it's really the sleep that is the challenge over everything. It's, once you have a baby, there's no real sleeping, especially if you're white breastfeeds. Like they're up every two hours, even in the night. Like, so there's no like, you like scheduling fucks, you know, like you're like, okay, we gotta do it around this window and this is the window and like. Maybe sometimes you guys go out and you let it rip, but you know you're gonna be up every morning, six forty five. We're up every morning, six forty five, whether we wanna sleep in or not, it's six forty five. That baby's waking up around like six thirty, they kinda look up in the sky for a little bit and then they're like, all right, it's time for some fucking titty. And then it's go time. So it's it's more just about like

• 1:07:52Andrew Schulz?

  creating those moments and like scheduling them, but not really making it feel scheduled, if you will. You know?

• 1:07:59Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, well, I imagine, I've heard you talk about this before, the role of thoughtfulness.

• 1:08:03Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:04Chris Williamson?

  Relationships.

• 1:08:04Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:05Chris Williamson?

  Uh, and how difficult it must be to be thoughtful, because all of your fucking attention and energy is just being put into this tiny thing that's totally, this blob, right? It's blob. It's a big blob of stuff.

• 1:08:16Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:16Chris Williamson?

  You and her. And what thoughtfulness have you got? Trying to keep it alive.

• 1:08:21Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. Yeah, it's, it is, uh, but you gotta do it. You gotta do it, cuz the better you guys are, the better that that baby is, you know, having a shot at life. You know, fractured families, they fuck kids up. They fuck kids up.

• 1:08:34Chris Williamson?

  I listened to the first half of Andrew Tate on Patrick Bet-David's podcast.

• 1:08:39Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, well, how was that? How you feel about Tate coming back?

• 1:08:42Chris Williamson?

  Interesting one, dude. Uh, I mean, he's currently being subpoenaed, investigated, something by the state of Florida.

• 1:08:49Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:49Chris Williamson?

  Just opened up some warrant type thing for him.

• 1:08:52Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:52Chris Williamson?

  Um, I think it's a bit of a brave call from the US to do that at like this time. To be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, come on over when we're talking about worries about trafficking and migrant, the UK's got lots of concerns about grooming. You can say what you want about the validity of the case around Tate.

• 1:09:09Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:10Chris Williamson?

  Optics are optics.

• 1:09:11Andrew Schulz?

  So, yeah, you're you're speaking on something that I really like, which is, uh, there are facts. And then there is, uh, emotional reactivity. Optics is what you're talking about. And people are emotional. They just react emotionally to whatever they see. And it's important to meet them there. Do you know what I mean? Like, there's gonna be an idea of who you are from people who don't really know you. Casuals on the internet that might see a single clip. And that idea that they have, maybe it's wrong. But just going, oh, you're wrong and writing it off. Isn't how you're going to address a bigger problem.

• 1:09:44Chris Williamson?

  This is where Ben Shapiro gets it 100% backward. He says facts don't care about your feelings.

• 1:09:49Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:49Chris Williamson?

  This one in particular.

• 1:09:50Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:51Chris Williamson?

  Right. Feelings do not give a single fuck about the.

• 1:09:54Andrew Schulz?

  But he's like an autistic robot, like he doesn't understand. He like, he caught a great grift off like the Christians. And now that he no longer has societal utility, he's like really struggling. Like societal utility is oftentimes what can make people like really powerful. And he rose to fame at a time where like conservatives felt like really scrutinized just for their beliefs. And a lot of them just didn't have the arguments to defend their positions. Right? They grew up in cities and states where it was normal to be conservative. And then all of a sudden they're in these other places where like, can I even share this? That I can I say him? Because it was like really radioactive to be conservative. Then all of a sudden, he's like this, like really obviously smart Harvard educated arguer. He's like a really good arguer and developing ideas and bits and putting together these arguments. They're like foolproof.

• 1:10:40Andrew Schulz?

  And he handed them off to those people. But now being conservative is more popular.

• 1:10:44Chris Williamson?

  Super mainstream.

• 1:10:45Andrew Schulz?

  Than being democratic.

• 1:10:46Chris Williamson?

  This was the point I was saying earlier on about, you know, you can speak truth to power and be that sort of. It was almost like, like rock star-y, like kind of like rebellious anarchistic type thing. It's like, it's just the kind of position that most people hold now around a lot of it. Yeah, we probably should be careful about what we're doing to teenagers.

• 1:11:03Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:04Chris Williamson?

  Hormones. We should probably be a little bit concerned about.

• 1:11:06Andrew Schulz?

  So now that it's the norm. He no longer has the same societal utility.

• 1:11:12Chris Williamson?

  That's interesting.

• 1:11:12Andrew Schulz?

  And then Israel Palestine happens. And now the base doesn't agree with him. And now they're like, well, we don't need you for the arguments. It's like normal to be conservative now. It's like, if anything, Democrats need the arguments. Right? So now they're like, and we don't agree with you on the Israel Palestine thing? Man, the fuck out of here.

• 1:11:31Chris Williamson?

  But yeah, I mean, when you think about the.

• 1:11:33Andrew Schulz?

  So he caught a good grift, but you know, the grifts only last for so long.

• 1:11:37Chris Williamson?

  What'd you make of the Tate thing from going back?

• 1:11:39Andrew Schulz?

  I mean, he's an American citizen. You have to protect American citizens. And just because he hasn't been convicted of anything. So on, he hasn't been convicted of anything. He's an American citizen. We have to protect our citizens. And you're allowed to say whatever you want as an American. This is free speech. We believe in all those things. So like, there's no question whether you have to let an American back. Of course, you have to let an American back. Now, the emotional reaction is, you were talking crazy shit about America, and then when you get clipped over there in Romania, now you're coming back to daddy. So I need, I need you to acknowledge who the goat is. I don't need you to talk about the West this, and America's dad, and the West is falling. Well, why are you coming back to the fall? Like, when it got rough, and they were locking you and your brother up, probably, wrongfully, I don't know, he's not convicted. Like, if there was enough to convict, they would have

• 1:12:22Andrew Schulz?

  convicted, right? But you came running back. So I need you to at least acknowledge why you came running back.

• 1:12:29Chris Williamson?

  You've probably heard me talk about Element before. And that is frankly, because I'm dependent on it. And for the last three years, I've started every morning with Element in a cold glass of water. It's a tasty electrolyte drink mix with everything that you need and nothing that you don't. Each Grabbing Girl Stick Pack contains a science-backed electrolyte ratio of sodium, potassium, and magnesium with no sugar, no coloring, no artificial ingredients, or any other junk. It plays a critical role in reducing muscle cramps and fatigue while optimizing your brain health, regulating appetite, and curbing cravings. The reason that I keep harping on about this is because I genuinely feel the difference when I take it versus when I don't. And I'm going to continue to talk about it until you do too. Best of all, they've got a no questions asked refund policy with an unlimited duration, so you can buy it for as long as you want. Try it, and if you do not like

• 1:13:13Chris Williamson?

  it for any reason, they'll just give you your money back, and you don't even need to return the box. That's how confident they are that you'll love it. Plus, they offer free shipping in the US. Right now, you can get a free sample pack of all eight flavors with your first box by going to the link in the description below, or heading to drinklmnt.com/ModernWisdom. That's drinklmnt.com/.

• 1:13:33Chris Williamson?

  Modern wisdom. There's definitely an amount of irony around saying.

• 1:13:38Andrew Schulz?

  Cause it's the best.

• 1:13:39Chris Williamson?

  I love Romania. I love Romania. Why did you move to Romania when you first moved to Romania? I love Romania because it's corrupt. You can pay the police off. The laws basically don't exist and you can get anything done you want. And then five years later, like, or like, uh, three seconds later. It being like, this country's so corrupt and the police don't really seem to care. It's like, uh, chickens roosting.

• 1:14:00Andrew Schulz?

  That's the thing. I think that's the thing right there. Like, obviously he's a phenomenal communicator and he really, he understands culture. He understands like trends that are popping up. I'm not talking about like a trend, like wearing fucking clothing. I'm talking about like ideological and emotional trends, like what people.

• 1:14:14Chris Williamson?

  Taps into what people feel.

• 1:14:15Andrew Schulz?

  He can fucking tap in. There's no question. But there is a part of me that is like, you talk crazy shit about America. And now you're coming back because you got in trouble.

• 1:14:27Andrew Schulz?

  I need to know, like. Everybody, a lot of people gave Brittany Griner shit when she got arrested in Russia, right? They gave her a lot of shit for like kneeling for the anthem and then asking America to help her to get back. Where's the Brittany Griner treatment?

• 1:14:46Andrew Schulz?

  Where's the Brit, like, where's this Brittany Griner energy? Now, people are emotional, so it doesn't really matter. They're like, I can look past that because he's satisfying these other uh, concerns that I have emotionally and he's voicing it the most eloquent way. And he really makes me feel seen and heard. So they'll look past this other shit. But to me, I'm looking at this Brittany Griner. Now, I want Brittany back. You know, should she have had the weed in her fucking thing? No, don't bring fucking a weed pen into Russia. You know that they might try to use this as for some political leverage in this situation that we're in. It's annoying. You shouldn't have fucking done it. And you put America in a position where we gotta give you back the the Nicolas Cage guy from the movie, right? We need to give you Nicolas Cage back to get Brittany Griner, right? But at the end of the day, she's an American and if American gets clipped, we're gonna ride for our boys, our girls.

• 1:15:31Chris Williamson?

  Yep.

• 1:15:31Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:15:33Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. Uh, it's gonna be interesting to see what happens, man. Holy fuck. Like, I just can't, this goes back to what I said before about the pace of the news.

• 1:15:41Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:41Chris Williamson?

  Like, every single hour. You remember when Trump got shot in the ear?

• 1:15:45Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:46Chris Williamson?

  You online, were you like, I mean, everybody kind of got dragged online when it happened?

• 1:15:49Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:49Chris Williamson?

  I remember I was in Montana. I was in Bozeman, Montana.

• 1:15:52Andrew Schulz?

  Of course.

• 1:15:53Chris Williamson?

  Sat at dinner, you know, every single person is just like,

• 1:15:57Andrew Schulz?

  Glued.

• 1:15:58Chris Williamson?

  Fog of war. No one has any, and I remember thinking, this is the quickest I've ever seen news move.

• 1:16:03Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:04Chris Williamson?

  And now, if you're offline for four hours, you come back on and you're like, holy, what? That happened? What? In how long?

• 1:16:10Andrew Schulz?

  Dude, I took a nap today. I woke up and he's doing the press conference for like the Doge cuts in front of like the whole senate. And there's like, they're kicking out hecklers. I thought it was like one of my shows. It was like, I think Al Green got like escorted out of the senate. It was amazing. I mean, and then the reactions on the internet was, yeah, it's, it's a lot. But that's the thing that, this is the tricky thing about like the administration right now, like,

• 1:16:36Andrew Schulz?

  that being, understanding like the mechanism of politics, like being a good politician, as much as we go, oh, I hate politicians, it is valuable in that like, you wanna be able to disseminate information that Americans already support in a way where they feel comfortable continuing to support it. I don't know if there's any American out there that's like, I like waste. I like corruption. I like fraud. All of us unanimously are like, yeah, I think the government's got some waste, corruption and fraud, and we should get that out of there. Those should be a bipartisan victory for America. And I think that the way that's kind of being positioned and there's like a little antagonism in it and there's,

• 1:17:17Andrew Schulz?

  not maybe, and Elon's on this too. He's like, he's responsible for this too. It's a little bit antagonistic. Yes, no need to twist the knife. It's like you already got everybody on board. And then when you like fire some people and have to rehire them, it's okay to be like, hey, we made a mistake. We're humans. We're gonna make mistakes and we're gonna do our best.

• 1:17:33Chris Williamson?

  As opposed to sort of sticking it in the nose of everybody else, like how useless this is. Yeah, I had this, uh, I had this insight a couple of years ago that if you really care about changing people's minds, you'll dial back the sort of aggression of your argument. Because very few people are patronized or shamed or passive aggressed into changing their mind. So this sort of soft signal of effectiveness. Dude, if you really, really care about changing people's minds, you'll actually go more gently, not more aggressively.

• 1:17:58Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:59Chris Williamson?

  And I don't think, it's a really astute point to say that I don't think that we're seeing that. And what did you expect? Like, you positioned yourself as the adversary to this other side.

• 1:18:09Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:10Chris Williamson?

  And then said, they should be on board.

• 1:18:13Chris Williamson?

  They should take me like whipping them and scorning them and laughing at them and mocking them.

• 1:18:17Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:18Chris Williamson?

  And they should still come begging back to daddy.

• 1:18:20Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, it's, it is, it is tricky also because the, obviously the opposition is gonna campaign against whatever the decision is. Because I think Democrats are still like, they don't, they still think that if you just paint Trump and Elon, all these people as bad, that that will allow them to win, when you don't even have to paint them as bad. Like, you just need to give us hope and abundance. Like, all Americans want is abundance. Americans are kind of simple. I'll be honest with you. Like, we're very simple people. What is more? You know, like buffets are popular here. That's more. What is the biggest steak? More.

• 1:18:53Chris Williamson?

  Like cheesecake factory.

• 1:18:54Andrew Schulz?

  See, just more, give me more. Like, so when Trump goes up and he's like, and also you could just say shit without doing it, and we like it. Like, when Trump goes Greenland, I think that might be ours. We go, that seems more. It seems like a lot more. I like it. If that never happens, it's fine. What Democrats need to do is, in my opinion, just start saying the things that you want to do that give me abundance and be radical about it. Stop being concerned about like pissing every little group off. Be radical. I need an outsider Democrat to go, eggs are a dollar. We're capping it. We're subsidizing it like we subsidize corn. If all these corn and dairy farmers get their money, why can't the egg farmers get theirs? It's a dollar for eggs. That's what it is. When we get in, it's a dollar for eggs. I guarantee you.

• 1:19:39Andrew Schulz?

  Saying, saying, hey, we're taking that land over there. We're building 10,000 affordable housing units and we're gonna drop the price of rent by 30% in this city. And then saying, I don't give a fuck about what these fancy developers think they're gonna do with it. It's gonna be affordable housing. We're gonna drop. Say some shit. Be risky. We liked Bernie because he was like taking shots at all these billionaire corporations. I'm like, who the fuck is this guy? Like, I need you to be brave, but understand who the bad guy is. They're looking at Trump and Elon and going, those guys are the bad guys. No, the majority of the country voted for them. They don't see them as bad yet. You could try to make them radioactive, but they don't really see him as bad. You know who they do see as bad is the people stopping them from getting eggs and the people stopping them from paying rent.

• 1:20:21Andrew Schulz?

  Bad. It's, I don't know. Do you understand what I'm saying? Like, like, I feel like this is like, if you actually listen to people, it's not really that difficult to.

• 1:20:31Chris Williamson?

  There's such an addiction to purity, though, inside of the left, right? Like, everybody's done the why I left the left thing, right? Sort of classic Dave Rubin arc from disaffected leftists to now person that's on the right. Because they, I didn't leave the left, they went away from it, whatever version of that you want to do. Has anybody, can you think of anybody that's gone in the opposite direction? That's gone from like right of center and then been, I am now a spokesperson for the left.

• 1:20:57Andrew Schulz?

  Wow, that's a great question. Um, I'm sure there are people.

• 1:21:02Chris Williamson?

  There probably are, but they don't come to mind in the same way, right? You don't have the same like RFK, Tulsi Gabbard, Elon, Rogan. You know, and those are, that's just like the fucking biggest names in the world of this.

• 1:21:13Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. Wow. That's a really good point.

• 1:21:14Chris Williamson?

  And it's because there is such a level of purity that you need to reach in order to be accepted by the left. The right will take you flawed as you are, this sort of political leper. Coming in with like a foot missing and fucking your ears hanging off. And they're like, ah, you're kind of all right. I mean, we don't fully agree with you on that thing, but we'll take you. You know, the perfect example of this, remember when Nicki Minaj for like two weeks during COVID was anti-vax? And the right was like, come here, fucking anaconda, like bring, bring the fucking BBL our way. And they were like, she's a fucking darling. We'll take her. So, but if your coalition is held together, firstly, by finding people who do not have sufficiently pure opinions. Pointing at them as scapegoats and saying that they're part of the out group.

• 1:21:56Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:57Chris Williamson?

  That's like, you know, fucking Sepuku or Harry Carey or whatever it's called. That's like the most self-immolation because. You're just finding an increasingly small number of people that meet an increasingly high bar of purity.

• 1:22:10Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:11Chris Williamson?

  That's, you know, like, all you're doing is shrinking your fucking coalition over and over until it's like, one person left.

• 1:22:16Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:17Chris Williamson?

  And the right doesn't have that problem.

• 1:22:19Andrew Schulz?

  Well, because they weren't in power. When you're in power, you start to become, uh, very specific about. Yeah, it's just like, like, a country club is hard to get into. Those are the people in power.

• 1:22:31Chris Williamson?

  Interesting. So you're saying that sort of the elitism, the exclusionary thing is, it's enabled by being in power?

• 1:22:39Andrew Schulz?

  It's queers for Palestine. You know, it's like, anybody who's down to help, we're gonna take.

• 1:22:45Chris Williamson?

  Because we need it.

• 1:22:46Andrew Schulz?

  We need it. So you take anybody's help, you don't fucking care. If you're struggling, whoever's gonna help you. And then when you're in power, you get very specific about the people who want to help you.

• 1:22:55Chris Williamson?

  Well, maybe you, you know, apply.

• 1:22:56Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. Let's see, we're gonna look in and see your total beliefs and, and how you feel about the entire world.

• 1:23:02Chris Williamson?

  I do, that's, that's it, I will be fascinated to see if that's sort of a right of center, uh, permission, uh, in- increased amount of permission that they have to accept people if that gets reversed.

• 1:23:14Andrew Schulz?

  That will happen without a doubt over the next few years. You will see these like Stephen A. Smith types who will proliferate democratic circles, who are in no way the like ideal version of a Democrat from four years ago or six years ago. But what they will see is salvation in them. And they'll be like, this is, he, he has enough of our values and he could potentially win, or at least he could espouse the shit that could make our party look cool.

• 1:23:42Chris Williamson?

  I saw him fucking body Joy Behar the other day. That was incredible.

• 1:23:45Andrew Schulz?

  But that's, I mean, but that's kind of what you need.

• 1:23:47Chris Williamson?

  You know what else I think? If I was to just chuck a little bet on for something that's very, very reliably gonna happen over the next three years before the end of this administration, the mother of all blowups between Elon and Trump.

• 1:24:00Andrew Schulz?

  So how do you see that happening? I've heard a lot of people, Charlemagne talks about this all the time. Trump thinks that, that, uh, sorry, Charlemagne thinks Trump is gonna put him in prison.

• 1:24:10Chris Williamson?

  Okay, that's a take that I hadn't heard before.

• 1:24:11Andrew Schulz?

  But yeah, but what do you now, you know, Charlemagne is very Democrat. Like, obviously, he's gonna have some bias that goes into this. But, uh, but what do you, what is your take and how do you see that relationship going?

• 1:24:23Chris Williamson?

  I just think that when you've got two people with so much power and ego, and I do, from what I can tell,

• 1:24:30Chris Williamson?

  Elon's ego and that, uh, sort of

• 1:24:35Chris Williamson?

  self-focused self-belief, like it's me, it's me and like, I'm gonna be the center of all of this. Seems to be ramping up. That is probably a pretty dangerous cocktail based on like some stories and stuff that I've heard about behind the scenes from, from Trump, about some levels of vulnerability and then sort of like flimsy senses of, he doesn't like to be shown up, doesn't like to be sort of upstaged and, uh,

• 1:25:02Andrew Schulz?

  And I don't know if, I don't know if Elon has the emotional intelligence of JD Vance.

• 1:25:10Chris Williamson?

  To be able to tiptoe around and yes, sir, no, sir, three bags full, sir.

• 1:25:13Andrew Schulz?

  JD, and why I say do not treat that man lightly, I think he has like, he came from like poverty. I think his mom was like a drug addict, like, and then he ends up going to Yale. And then he becomes the VP of a guy that he campaigned against and said was horrible and like a tyrant. Do you know the level of emotional intelligence it takes to go from like a broke, middle America, broken family to an Ivy League institution to then VP for the guy who does not, he doesn't always keep in it, like you can say things about Trump, but if it's advantageous for whatever his plan is, he will forgive you. You know, he's kind of like Vince Man in that regard, like whatever works for the thing.

• 1:25:56Andrew Schulz?

  But like, that takes high EQ, even in that moment with Zelensky, he's managing Trump.

• 1:26:02Andrew Schulz?

  Like he's, he, he did have a moment for himself, but everything he said was, and you show respect to Trump and Donald Trump's office and what.

• 1:26:09Chris Williamson?

  So he knows the game he's playing.

• 1:26:10Andrew Schulz?

  Oh, that, what I'm saying is don't treat him lightly. What the, our coastal elites, we always do is when someone has a kind of southern accent, we think they're idiots. And we, and we don't, we don't even really pay attention to them. And that man is someone, I see a problem with JD before I see Elon, but.

• 1:26:32Chris Williamson?

  What do you think's gonna happen with Elon, long-term with Trump?

• 1:26:34Andrew Schulz?

  Nothing.

• 1:26:35Chris Williamson?

  Now, you think that he's gonna dance through the minefield?

• 1:26:38Andrew Schulz?

  I, I don't think, I think he's acutely aware of his limitations in America. He cannot physically be president. If he could be president, I think there is a concern. Cause eventually he'll go, when they have an impasse, he'll just go, well, I'll just run against you. He cannot, the, the laws dictate he cannot.

• 1:26:59Chris Williamson?

  So inevitably you're gonna have to bow down at some point.

• 1:27:01Andrew Schulz?

  This is the highest, you're as high as you can go.

• 1:27:04Chris Williamson?

  That's only, that's only based on the fact that you can put your, the outcomes that you want for your project behind your ego.

• 1:27:12Andrew Schulz?

  Yes.

• 1:27:13Chris Williamson?

  And I'm not sure which one is gonna be the bigger priority.

• 1:27:17Andrew Schulz?

  The, the only other thing he could do is leverage the Democrats, which have already made him radioactive, like no Democrat can side with Elon. So Elon is as far as he can go in America. He can't go any further. Like this is outside of being president, like there's that great line in Game of Thrones where like Cersei is talking to Littlefinger and Littlefinger is like, you know, you know, Littlefinger, the character? And Littlefinger goes, uh, you know, what I've learned over the years is that, uh, you know, knowledge is power. And there's all these guards around her and them, and, and she goes, uh, guards slit his throat and they all walk up and put a knife to his throat. And then she goes, guards, stand down, guards, take two steps back, guards, take six steps back. And then she goes, power is power. And it's just so fire.

• 1:28:02Andrew Schulz?

  And it's like. Trump has power. Power is power. That is the closest Elon can get to power. And I don't think there's another president that will allow Elon to have that access to power. So Elon either has to hope there's another person that he could ride with and establish a relationship. And maybe that's JD, but he have to wait to the next administration anyway. So what he can't do is sour all the Republicans on him. Like, I cannot see the situation where they get into trouble because there's nowhere else for him to go. He either have to jump parties, which is very difficult after chastising the left all the time.

• 1:28:44Andrew Schulz?

  Like, he's kind of made his bed and he's high. He has access to all these things. And I think it does benefit him the most if America is successful because all his businesses are tied up in America. He could jump ship to another country, but that's not the thing I worry about. Cause I think he's smart enough to understand the position he's in. Eventually you hit the, this is what happens with all rich people today that actually want to move weight around. You hit the impasse of government and you have people who are way less successful than you, way poorer than you, telling you whether you can or can't build a factory or do whatever you want to do. And in that moment, they go, fuck, I just worked my ass off. I got fucking yachts and everything.

• 1:29:25Andrew Schulz?

  And now I gotta go kiss this guy's dick. Like you saw them all lined up behind Trump during the inauguration. Zuckerberg, Bezos, everybody went to kiss the ring and he set them up, letting everybody else know they're kissing the ring. And I think Elon goes, I got the best seat. It don't get better than this. And this guy trusts me and believes in me. I can't fuck this up. And he's dealt with governors, mayors and all this other shit that he doesn't respect at all. So he's like, it's not going to get better than this. I, if, I don't think he can ruin it. Is if they change the rule to let non-citizens become president, now we have an issue. But Trump would never change that rule because it's his security blanket right there.

• 1:30:06Andrew Schulz?

  It's, it's actually kind of like brilliantly done by Trump. It's ride with me against the left. Now he, Elon can't go to the left. So he has to be loyal to you. It's, he's, it's like he's Zelensky.

• 1:30:21Chris Williamson?

  Well, everybody that's, everybody that's associated with Trump is so unspeakable and toxic that they're never going to be allowed back.

• 1:30:27Andrew Schulz?

  So now you've got the loyalty built right there. Can I ask you a question about Russia? Do you feel an existential threat? Do you think Russia is an existential threat as a European?

• 1:30:41Chris Williamson?

  That's an interesting question. So, no, at least, but the UK and Europe feel like very different places. Forget Brexit, forget the fact that we actually left the European Union.

• 1:30:51Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:52Chris Williamson?

  We just don't think about that. I think that people in the UK feel that they are much closer to America and are under the maybe not quite on par, but that they're in that circle much more than we are with fucking Norway or Finland or Switzerland.

• 1:31:06Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:06Chris Williamson?

  Some shit.

• 1:31:08Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:08Chris Williamson?

  But I understand that a lot of people are worried about in Europe, what does the potential support of Russia or lack of support for the Ukraine mean? Is Russia just gonna keep on bowling through its fucking Donbass, Paris, and then London?

• 1:31:22Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:23Chris Williamson?

  Like, what's gonna stop? I don't know. I think, to be honest, I think that the UK has got such huge fucking domestic problems at the moment that they're

• 1:31:30Andrew Schulz?

  They're not even worried about. I was speaking to comedian named Ari Matti, and he's from Estonia.

• 1:31:40Andrew Schulz?

  And he grew up like feeling Russia as an existential threat. And he's like, yeah, like, we get taught all the time that like, they could come invade. And he's like, yeah, they're teaching in Russian schools, like Estonia is actually part of Russia, and one day we'll get it back. Like, so, Americans, we're so far away from this idea of like Russian invading. I was trying to understand Zelensky's like confidence going into this meeting with Trump. Like, I didn't understand why he felt comfortable pushing back. Because I think the American perspective is like, you guys can't survive without us. That's the perspective to any country we kind of give weapons to. It's like, you can't do it without us, right? And I think that's a lot of times like the hotbed conversation even with Israel-Palestine here is that like,

• 1:32:25Andrew Schulz?

  the perspective for Americans is like, Israel cannot defend itself without American weapons. So, applying pressure to America is what actually stops the war. Right? Now, I don't even know if that's true. I don't know. Maybe Israel can. I'm not sure. But that's the American feeling, right? So.

• 1:32:42Andrew Schulz?

  When he said that to me, I was like, oh shit. Maybe that's why Zelensky had so much confidence in that meeting because he's like, oh yeah, everybody knows that Russia will just steamroll into Europe and then so all these European countries won't let that happen. And we're the heroes fighting at the front line to make sure that Paris is not part of Russia. So they would never like, I wonder if he walked in with the confidence of like, they would be crazy to not keep funding this because next it's going to be Germany's taking over. Like, of course they're going to give us the money.

• 1:33:13Andrew Schulz?

  Cause that's the only thing that could justify the attitude in the room.

• 1:33:18Andrew Schulz?

  Does that make sense?

• 1:33:18Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, absolutely. Well, you've definitely got, it feels like you've got an ace in your pocket and you think, what the fuck is that?

• 1:33:23Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:23Chris Williamson?

  Like, why is it that you're not that worried? I don't know, man. I mean, how quickly we forgot about the issue of Russia and Ukraine because everything kicked off in Gaza. And then how quickly we'd forgotten about Gaza now that Russia and Ukraine are back in the headlines.

• 1:33:39Andrew Schulz?

  Isn't that, yeah, we stepped away from it completely. It was, I used to see people's windows change in New York. It was a Black Lives Matter flag. Then it got taken down and then it was a Ukraine flag and it got taken down. And then it was a Palestine flag and then it got taken.

• 1:33:55Chris Williamson?

  Probably back to Ukraine.

• 1:33:57Andrew Schulz?

  It's like.

• 1:33:59Chris Williamson?

  What do you think's going on with the Epstein list? You see this, it's been treated like the fucking longest album drop of all time. People holding it like it's the fucking Wu-Tang Clan's unreleased mixtape. They're like, George R R Martin, when are you going to release the next Game of Thrones? Like, Jesus Christ, dude.

• 1:34:14Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, I don't know. My suspicion is that um, most of these things are far less interesting than we build them up to be. And that uh,

• 1:34:28Andrew Schulz?

  like, I think in our, in our brains, when we build out justifications for them, for these things, we remove the idea of incompetence. Incompetence never exists in a conspiracy, right? As conspiracy is always like this nefarious intent that was like thoroughly plotted and executed. Like even like the nine 11 is an inside job thing. And I think that there's been a lot of details on this. My suspicion is that like, there was probably American intelligence agencies that were aware that a plan, a plot was being planned. And.

• 1:35:06Andrew Schulz?

  This is where the the arguments, did they purposely let it happen so that this or were they pushed to let it happen?

• 1:35:12Chris Williamson?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:35:13Andrew Schulz?

  Or did they not take it seriously and then it happened? And then everyone at that agency that's in a position of power is going,

• 1:35:22Andrew Schulz?

  fuck, fuck, oh, this is my fault. I let this fucking shit. Okay, we got to find a way to make it seem like this is not on. And I my suspicion is that is most conspiracy stuff where it's like there's some incompetence and then someone trying to cover up incompetence. And that leads to this insane conspiracy because this person is trying to protect a lie.

• 1:35:46Chris Williamson?

  There's a.

• 1:35:47Andrew Schulz?

  So so the Epstein thing.

• 1:35:48Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, well, I mean, look, people hold two very contradictory thoughts in their mind at the same time. One being government is so useless that we need this South African guy to come in and rip it apart and they couldn't run a piss up in a brewery.

• 1:36:03Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:03Chris Williamson?

  And they're all spending all of their time speaking to donors. And also.

• 1:36:07Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:07Chris Williamson?

  They are the overlords that are creating the new world order.

• 1:36:10Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:10Chris Williamson?

  And we need to be very concerned about them, the CIA and the NSA and the FBI and the three letter agencies and they're trying to trans the kids. And you go, well, which one is it?

• 1:36:17Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:19Andrew Schulz?

  It's nowhere, it's neither, it's in the middle.

• 1:36:21Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, it's like there's there's gonna be some, sure, there'll be some really, really competent, really nasty, mean spirited people trying to get stuff done. And even if, let's say that that's like a significant portion, who are the foot soldiers that are trying to do it? These like employed retards that have managed to like stumble their way into fucking government? And you go, okay, are you really going to trust him?

• 1:36:43Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:44Chris Williamson?

  John?

• 1:36:44Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:44Chris Williamson?

  John's going to deploy a master plan to like new world order, the global vaccine passport.

• 1:36:49Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:49Chris Williamson?

  Really?

• 1:36:50Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. Yeah, it's a, yeah, it's tricky. I mean, the thing that I would like to do for the Epstein list is, I don't know if we ever get a list, but I would love to hear Lex Weckner, Les Weckner, is that his name? The guy who is the, so Epstein managed one guy's money and his name is Les Weckner. The guy, I think he lives in like Ohio, he's the guy who started Victoria's Secret.

• 1:37:12Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:13Andrew Schulz?

  And he only managed one guy's money. So that's where he was able to leverage all these relationships and do all this other shit with this one guy's money. And I don't think Victoria's Secret is what it used to be. Like, I don't think girls are buying like Victoria's Secret lingerie anymore. Like, I think the business is kind of, it will be in Target soon or something, right? So now he does, and he's also like 90 years old. Give him immunity. And just tell us what it was, what's going on. Were you compromised? Was it Mossad? Was it CIA? Was it both? Like, just tell us, give somebody immunity and tell us what happened. Like, even the Ghislaine, I can't trust the immunity because her dad was all fucking mobbed up or whatever. So this guy is the guy who's the money guy. Just, he's fucking 90. Like, who cares?

• 1:37:58Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:59Andrew Schulz?

  Give him immunity and then what you'll get is at least, like, we're, we're dying to figure out what the fuck happened. Just give us enough nutrients where we can move on, right? Like, now, it is delicate. Obviously, you have, there's a lot of, like, they're like, release the list. And it's like, okay, well, there's a lot of like girls who are teenagers probably on this list that are like, so I get that. Like, you have to talk to them to make sure that's good before you redact it. But if you've got a bunch of fucking senators who are out there, or like these tech people, like, yeah, release it.

• 1:38:31Chris Williamson?

  Run it.

• 1:38:31Andrew Schulz?

  I just don't know if we ever get it, but I think he is the key. So I would like to know.

• 1:38:39Andrew Schulz?

  I think you could-

• 1:38:39Chris Williamson?

  Strategically smart move.

• 1:38:41Andrew Schulz?

  Just, it trickles down. You need money to be qualified to be in all these circles. They only trust you because you're managing this guy's money.

• 1:38:51Andrew Schulz?

  He's got to know something and he gave you the money instead of Jamie Dimon? He could give anybody the money. So just tell us what the fuck is going on, Les, and then you get to die not a complete shithead. Like, you're still a shithead, but at least people will be like, all right. You go to

• 1:39:10Chris Williamson?

  Last breath, you did something pretty cool.

• 1:39:12Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. I mean, I don't know. What would you do? Do you think we'll ever see it? Do you think?

• 1:39:16Chris Williamson?

  I don't know, man. I mean, I love the idea that we just need to close the loop so that we can stop talking about it.

• 1:39:23Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:23Chris Williamson?

  So that there's no more speculation for this. It's, you know, it's the fuck it. It's the nine 11 in my job thing. It's just this permanent like, who was DB Cooper? Was it this person? It's like, dude, just, can someone give us a definitive answer so that we can stop asking the question?

• 1:39:37Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, like, that's what we need to do. Like, everybody, like, Joe has exposed so much, like, amazing information about the world that has completely like blown our minds about what reality really is. And it would be awesome if each one of them went on the pod and just confirmed it all. It's just like, okay, yeah, we shot JFK. This is what happened. And then somebody from NASA goes, no, we really did go to the moon and we faked the video because it was hard to get the video for, but we did really go. And just imagine, like, imagine a series of like 20 Rogan episodes where you get confirmation on all the alternative, like, history.

• 1:40:21Chris Williamson?

  It's not conspiracy theories. These are conspiracy facts.

• 1:40:23Andrew Schulz?

  Yes.

• 1:40:24Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:24Andrew Schulz?

  Like, how awesome would that be? And they, they gotta go on Joe, though. And it has to be the ones that he's, you know, brought to light. Oh, my God. Would that not be amazing?

• 1:40:32Chris Williamson?

  Send them on Alex Cooper.

• 1:40:36Chris Williamson?

  The real arbiter of truth, isn't he? Speaking of that, did you see Brian Johnson on Keeping Up with the Kardashians?

• 1:40:43Andrew Schulz?

  I saw a clip randomly. You know, we had him on the pod.

• 1:40:46Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:40:46Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, yeah, I saw.

• 1:40:47Chris Williamson?

  He's a sweetie.

• 1:40:48Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, he is a sweetie. He's got some dark shit. Oh, yeah, I told him when I, when we were there. It's like, I think he's replaced like being Mormon with living forever. And so maybe dark is the wrong way to put it, but it is a very radical. Like, how radical is Mormonism that, like, you could do that?

• 1:41:06Chris Williamson?

  Well, him and Huberman had a big bust up on Twitter.

• 1:41:09Andrew Schulz?

  Oh, what'd they say?

• 1:41:10Chris Williamson?

  Uh, Brian was flexing his leg press numbers and Huberman replied and said, friends don't let friends do half reps. Like, kind of the range of motion being a thing. And then that caused loads of blah, blah. But I've got to assume. I didn't know Andrew was friends with the Kardashians. The scene where Brian's in there has got all of the Kardashians, but also got Huberman in there. But this must have been filmed months and months and months ago, I have to assume. And it's only just come out. So I was watching that thinking, this is like my Zelensky Trump moment. That this is these two people that have had fucking massive beef online. Finally coming together and I'm thinking, I'm gonna get to why they're gonna, they're gonna like fucking, that wasn't a quarter rep.

• 1:41:51Chris Williamson?

  That was actually me doing it. It's actually a thousand pounds. It's not 950 pounds. Like, uh.

• 1:41:56Andrew Schulz?

  Why do they beef? What's the, what's the issue?

• 1:41:59Chris Williamson?

  Andrew replied to Brian, it's like the most fucking middle school thing. Andrew replied to Brian and criticized his range of motion on a wire.

• 1:42:08Andrew Schulz?

  No, but like, they must have some other beef that that even happened, right?

• 1:42:11Chris Williamson?

  No, that was just, it was just a passing comment.

• 1:42:14Andrew Schulz?

  And then Brian took it really seriously? Oh, man.

• 1:42:17Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:17Andrew Schulz?

  And you know, he has no excuse to do that because we know you have a perfect sleep score. You can't even be like, dude, I was exhausted. I had a hard day. It's like, no, you slept fucking 14 hours yesterday.

• 1:42:26Chris Williamson?

  You stopped eating at 11 a.m. so you could get good sleep.

• 1:42:29Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:29Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, I don't know. I mean, the, the only thing that could have made that table better between all of the Kardashians, Brian Johnson and Andrew Huberman, would have been like coked up Conor McGregor. Fucking wild cards that gets thrown in there.

• 1:42:41Andrew Schulz?

  Who the fuck is this guy?

• 1:42:43Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. Uh, I think that Conor McGregor's arc should be studied by like fucking anthropologists or something. As just what happens when a guy who really wanted to be rich and famous gets exactly what he wanted? And turns out was completely unprepared to deal with it all.

• 1:42:59Andrew Schulz?

  You wanna know something interesting? So he came to meet up with us one night in New York.

• 1:43:07Andrew Schulz?

  And he was, he was, he was fucked up. Like he had some drinks. But he was the nicest, most humble guy. He, when, a lot of times when you meet famous people, like they're not really used to, um.

• 1:43:25Andrew Schulz?

  Asking people their thoughts on things. You know, they're just like in this. Me, me, me, me, me, me. Yeah, and it's, it's, I don't even, like, I have empathy for it because people are just asking them questions because it's hard to like, share your opinion on the world when you're with this incredibly successful person. So they just get into the system where they, they, they basically go, oh, people want to know things about me, so I will share. I'll just cut to the chase and give them what they want. Yeah, I'm gonna give you what you want. He was like curious, like, we were talking about fights, he was like, well, yeah, what'd you think about the fight? You're asking me what I thought about the fight, like, you're a professional fighter, you're like, probably the most prolific, not probably, you are the most prolific MMA fighter in history, like, you're synonymous with fight sports, like,

• 1:44:08Andrew Schulz?

  you're asking me my opinion on it, like, and we were having a conversation, like, a couple guys at a bar. And as wild as I see him in all these things, I'll never forget that moment where he was curious about what I thought. And, um,

• 1:44:27Andrew Schulz?

  ever since then, I look at these things as, is he stirring up moments, is this like wrestling? Does he just really get into the, the vibe and the attention of it? Like, I also understand, like, you reach a certain amount of success and you are clout. I'm sure you've experienced this, like, you get over a certain amount of followers and now somebody making a video about you is currency, they can pay their rent on it. And whether what they say is true or not, you exist as a form of payment. Right? Attention. Cash it in. Or dollars, yeah. And I have, I have, he must experience that a hundred, a million fold for me or you. I know it happens with me all the time, too.

• 1:45:10Andrew Schulz?

  And it's like, and, and nobody really understands where, what that life is until you're in it. And that is the cost of success. I'm not complaining about this. The cost of getting to live the lives that we live is that you're gonna deal with scrutiny and you're gonna deal with criticism. That's totally fine. Frustrating when people like make things up about, yeah, sure, that's fucking annoying. But I, in a human to human moment, he was curious and cared about what I had to say about his expertise. And that's more than I can say about a lot of people.

• 1:45:47Chris Williamson?

  What it makes me think, and that's a really beautiful story and very insightful. What it makes me think is that there's an error somewhere. Because if that's who you truly are. Why is that not being put out online? Like, why is that not a part of your personality?

• 1:46:00Andrew Schulz?

  Dude, you know what? I was, I would actually want to talk to you about this because you talk to so many people. You've cultivated like your universe, right? So the people that know you and love you know the idiosyncrasies about you. They actually like know your opinions about the world. And then there are people that just consume you casually, that just see you as whatever that version that exists in a clip online.

• 1:46:23Andrew Schulz?

  So it's like, what I realized, I thought that if I had a bunch of like diverse guests on my pod. That people would, it would not one, I'm just curious about this. Like, I like seeing diversity of thought. I'm just really interested. So the people who know me know that about me. The people that don't know you only know the version of you that they want to consume. So if there's like a really awesome poignant piece that's like written about you, they're like, I don't want that guy to be poignant and awesome. I want that guy to be this or me, same thing, right?

• 1:46:53Chris Williamson?

  Or vice versa.

• 1:46:54Andrew Schulz?

  Exactly. If they, if they do, they love, but the people who love you know you already. You don't need to convince them. So what I realized is like doing this press run. Is that, uh. I gotta talk to way more people that you might think I disagree with. Because I have to go, if I care about the perception of me, which I can't say I don't, I'm a comedian at the end of the day. I can live with people thinking different things about me. That is fine. I, I, I can accept it. That's totally cool. But I realized the way to, to alter that perception is not bringing people on my podcast. It's going to other people's podcasts, especially people that I, you might think that we disagree on.

• 1:47:34Andrew Schulz?

  And then we get into like a cool nuanced conversation and you realize, and I see it happen in real time. They're like, oh, wow. Actually, yeah, that kind of does make sense. And, uh, oh, wow. I didn't think that you would have that perspective. It's like, yeah, of course you didn't.

• 1:47:46Chris Williamson?

  Like the Venn diagram overlaps way more than we thought it would do.

• 1:47:49Andrew Schulz?

  And I don't, and I have empathy for it. I get why you thought that, like you just consume content about me in the same way that I consume content about Ben. Like I'm sure Ben is way more nuanced than I just described to him earlier on the pod like. I'm sure there's people who like really know him and understand his beliefs and it's not, there isn't this like rigidity that he. Puts out online when he's like scolding a college kid. You know, maybe there's moments where he's a lot more empathy for that college kid who's. You know, battling with his identity or battling with, you know, wanting to make the world a better place. And his opinion is a little different than Ben's. But if I only get that version that I only consume. You know, that's what I think. And we have to kind of live with that. Because we are what we put out in the world.

• 1:48:31Andrew Schulz?

  And if what we put out in the world can get clipped up and put into these different things, that is the cost of.

• 1:48:36Chris Williamson?

  Be ready, be ready for that to happen. Yeah, there's this idea called tilting at windmills. An online stranger doesn't know you. All they have are a few vague impressions of you too meager to form anything but a phantasm. So when they attack you, they're really just attacking their own imagination and there is no need to take it personally.

• 1:48:52Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:52Chris Williamson?

  So that tilting at windmills things, I wanted to ask you this, actually.

• 1:48:56Andrew Schulz?

  The concern real quick is, is like, you would hope that that doesn't become a trend.

• 1:49:00Chris Williamson?

  Well.

• 1:49:01Andrew Schulz?

  Like I've seen that happen with me, like people like start, they like an idea like creates about me that's just like not true. And then anybody that doesn't like me for whatever reason, maybe you have good reasons, not like me. It just becomes another justification for not like.

• 1:49:15Chris Williamson?

  They hold on to the phantasm, right? And then that become, but what did he say before that feelings don't care about the fact?

• 1:49:19Andrew Schulz?

  Exactly. It doesn't matter.

• 1:49:21Chris Williamson?

  And unfortunately, what did we also say before? Optics really are sort of the most important thing. And if you have a story. That fits people's priors, there is something that gets a particular cohort of people. Who are all distinct and separate, but they coalesce around their mutual distaste for a particular person. And there is a very nice cohesive neat narrative that explains why they should not like this person. They go, oh, that's our new culture. That's our new thing. So, um, I wanted to ask. You know, not everybody deals with the same level of scrutiny or criticism that you do.

• 1:49:56Andrew Schulz?

  Sure.

• 1:49:57Chris Williamson?

  But what have you learned about how to? Care less about the opinions of other people, how to sort of take criticism well?

• 1:50:05Andrew Schulz?

  I think that like.

• 1:50:09Andrew Schulz?

  Again, I think the care is more about like, you're like, okay, I hope this doesn't like shift perspective and like negatively impact my ability to like provide for my family. That's really where the care, I'm fine with people thinking that I'm a certain way and like this thing could like, you know, the Kendrick thing comes out like this, they turn it into like fucking racism within it. Like, I'm like, what the fuck, you know, it's how, what, you know, like, it was, whatever, doesn't matter. And then, um, and, and I'm like, okay, I'm fine. Like, the internet just moves on eventually. You just let that kind of, so you just hope that like, it doesn't lock in and then affect your bottom line. But the thing that makes me okay with accepting criticism is that all the people I admire are the most criticized people.

• 1:50:51Andrew Schulz?

  So like, everybody I look up to and I aspire to have, you know, the level of success that they have are the most criticized. Like, I mean, fucking Taylor Swift is like, there's no more criticized. Like, she's getting booed at the Super Bowl, yet it takes 120 dudes to sell out that Super Bowl. She could do it by herself four nights in a row. You know what I mean? So she's sitting there getting booed, but she's also like, this is cute. I remember doing this. I remember doing this little stadium. You know what I mean? Like, so there is this version where I'm okay with the criticism. I'm fine with it. My concern

• 1:51:29Andrew Schulz?

  is more like the, the false narratives catching heat because there is like an attention or currency that you could build around it. And I have, I don't really know how to like thwart that. I wish I had like, some people like really good at like addressing narratives. Strategy, like Dave Portnoy, maybe. Portnoy is just like, he's, Portnoy, 50 Cent is amazing. Like, anything pops about 50, he's on that ass. And, um, I'm probably a little more passive because I'm, I'm like, I'm just gonna put out the art, you know, I'm gonna put out my special and you'll get a sense of who I am, or I'll talk to people on the pod and I'll do these things. And, and also you can't respond to people who don't really have a face. You can't respond to ideas. Like, I can respond to Kendrick, because Kendrick is the biggest rapper in the world.

• 1:52:13Andrew Schulz?

  Can't respond to like some YouTube video. You know, it's just, in my mind, I'm like, okay, now I'm just blowing that thing up. I'm just adding gas to it. You know? Yeah, the Kendrick thing was interesting.

• 1:52:25Andrew Schulz?

  That was wild. Does that even hit your radar? Like, I'm so confused about who knows about these.

• 1:52:31Chris Williamson?

  I didn't see this happen.

• 1:52:32Andrew Schulz?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:52:32Chris Williamson?

  I didn't see it. I did when I started doing a little bit of prep for today.

• 1:52:36Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:37Chris Williamson?

  And I was like, oh, Schulz got in some Super Bowl beef.

• 1:52:40Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, so it's like, it's just so, this is so funny too, is like, whenever you go through something, you think it's the biggest thing. That's another thing I learned. It's like, no one really cares. Like, it doesn't really matter. Like, you think it's big, but like, the reality, most people don't. And we exist in these little bubbles. So like, a bubble cares about it for a second. But when I go out to dinner, nobody cares.

• 1:52:59Chris Williamson?

  If we can forget about October 7th, because Zelensky sat down with Trump.

• 1:53:03Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:04Chris Williamson?

  And forget about the Super Bowl.

• 1:53:05Andrew Schulz?

  That's a great way. That's right. So I need another tragedy.

• 1:53:08Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, just sow the seeds of another fucking international incident.

• 1:53:12Andrew Schulz?

  That's what they say. You kill a story with a story.

• 1:53:14Chris Williamson?

  I remember this was AS level sociology, or AS level media studies before I went to university.

• 1:53:20Andrew Schulz?

  What's AS?

• 1:53:21Chris Williamson?

  So in the UK, 16, 17, 18, you go to what we call college, which is before university.

• 1:53:27Andrew Schulz?

  Got it.

• 1:53:27Chris Williamson?

  And you do AS level, and then you do A level. AS is first year, A level is the second year. And that's what gets you your grades for uni. And I was told this story about the day after, so September 12th, the media manager for a PR company, who ended up losing a job because of this quote.

• 1:53:43Andrew Schulz?

  Right.

• 1:53:44Chris Williamson?

  Was caught saying the words publicly, "It's a good day for bad news." And if you go and you look at the newspapers, September 12th, September 13th, September 14th, page 64, page 74, "Toxic spill, accounting error, fucking recall for dangerous product."

• 1:54:02Andrew Schulz?

  Building seven?

• 1:54:06Chris Williamson?

  Very good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That people just dumping this, this stuff out there. But yeah, I think I heard this really interesting sentence the other day. "I just don't care about people misjudging me anymore."

• 1:54:19Chris Williamson?

  And I really love that sentence.

• 1:54:20Andrew Schulz?

  Yes.

• 1:54:21Chris Williamson?

  So I don't care about people misjudging me. And I think a lot of the time when it comes to criticism, what we're worried about is.

• 1:54:29Chris Williamson?

  This person has an incorrect perspective, perception of me.

• 1:54:34Andrew Schulz?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:54:35Chris Williamson?

  I don't like that. Let me go and fix, because I know I'm not that. So let me go and manage their perception of me. I'm gonna step in. I'm gonna fix this thing. You go, I don't think you can, dude. And if you, if you try and play that game, if you want to try and fix everybody's erroneous expectation of you or interpretation of you. And the other side is as well, it's often people that don't like you, don't understand what you're doing, don't have your best interests at heart. They don't like you and they're not nice people.

• 1:55:03Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:03Chris Williamson?

  And you're saying that person, that particular individual or group of individuals misjudged me.

• 1:55:09Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:10Chris Williamson?

  And I feel bad.

• 1:55:11Andrew Schulz?

  It's like, yeah.

• 1:55:12Chris Williamson?

  It's insane.

• 1:55:12Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah. Yeah. It's like, you ever, you ever get in an argument with your girl and then um,

• 1:55:19Andrew Schulz?

  not even an argument, like you'll do something and your intention was not for that to hurt her. Like you seem like a good guy. I don't see why you would like want to hurt someone you care about, but it did hurt her. And what I used to do is I would try to explain her out of her hurt, right? I would try to explain to my wife why she shouldn't be hurt, right? Because I want to be a good guy and I can't.

• 1:55:40Chris Williamson?

  Tell you why you're wrong.

• 1:55:41Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, yeah. Let me tell you why your feelings are wrong. And it's just like, oh, no, what I meant by it is this, right? And like, and why we're doing that is because we don't want them to think we are the type of person that would try to do something to hurt them. I'm actually feeling insecure that you might feel differently towards me if I'm the type of man that would do that to make you feel that way. They don't want that. What they want is their feelings to be acknowledged. And just going, I'm sorry that, that what I did made you feel that way. I'm really sorry. And then if they, if they go, why did you do it? And go, well, actually, this was my thinking. Then they're, they're asking for the why. And the same, I think the exact same thing applies to what you're saying. It's like, these people feel a certain way. I'm sorry that that made you feel that way.

• 1:56:26Andrew Schulz?

  You know, I am sorry that, but in terms of like.

• 1:56:30Andrew Schulz?

  Caring about the perception, anybody who's ever like felt a certain way about me that I've had a conversation with, I feel like has left not feeling that way. And so I'm not really concerned about like the misjudgment. The concern is only like, how could it negatively impact opportunities to to achieve my dreams? And that's the the beauty of like financial success is that you get to really not care. Like if you're at a number, right? Like if you hit the number where you're like, I could stop doing all this and I'm good and my daughter can eat and my wife is safe and you don't even have to address any of it. You know what I mean? Like if you get to a certain number where you're just like, I'm just creating the shit that I want to create. I don't even care if it makes money. I just love creating things. Who gives a fuck?

• 1:57:12Chris Williamson?

  Isn't it interesting how most people's projects have this like odd Paulo Coelho's, The Alchemist, like you leave the place to come back to where you started. So.

• 1:57:20Andrew Schulz?

  What is that? Explain that to me.

• 1:57:21Chris Williamson?

  You read, read The Alchemist?

• 1:57:22Andrew Schulz?

  I've heard of The Alchemist. I haven't read it.

• 1:57:24Chris Williamson?

  It's a really beautiful book and it's a, it's a fiction book. It's super easy to read. It's not a flex to say that you've read it, but it's kind of a bit trippy to, to read. It's this beautiful story about Santiago, this Spanish boy who goes on a journey and he comes back and spoiler alert, if you haven't listened to it yet, skip ahead 30 seconds. The treasure that he's looking for is in the backyard of the place that he started. And the story's takeaway is going on a journey to end up back where you began is not the same as having never left. And.

• 1:57:54Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, wow. Love that.

• 1:57:56Chris Williamson?

  My point being with something like stand up or, or podcasting or writing or whatever it is that you're into.

• 1:58:04Chris Williamson?

  You start off doing the thing the way you want to because you love it and you've got this passion. And yeah, you're, you start modeling from other people because you want to learn from those that have gone ahead of you. And then after a while, different incentives come in and maybe you've got SAF or you've got obligations or you've got competition or you've got momentum and you start to sort of get skewed away from this a little bit. And then over time, maybe you begin to get expectations from people and you've kind of got to, you're playing up to your own enigma, your own persona. And you're like, you've got to go, I'm going to go from infamous to doing life. And it's like a real change and scary to the fucking difficult second album, right? Do I just repeat what I did last time or do I try and pivot? And then after a while, you know, hopefully you're still stripping this, you're still

• 1:58:49Chris Williamson?

  trying to be true to yourself. But I think a lot of the time people end up in that post-money world or, you know, post fame world, whatever it is, you end up back at this place where you're like. I can just say fuck you.

• 1:58:59Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:59Chris Williamson?

  I'm gonna do it the way that I want. And I had this idea I wanted to teach you about. So you've heard of fuck you money, right?

• 1:59:06Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:59:06Chris Williamson?

  Um, so I realized that I think there's three levels to saying fuck you. So the first one is fuck you money, which is you're not really that beholden to an employer. You maybe kind of can own things in a way that makes you not have to adhere to laws in the same sort of a way. There's fuck you freedom, which is actually more accessible than fuck you money, because you can just like, if you've got enough, you can live off grid. Maybe you don't even need to be reliant on supermarkets. You don't need to really like listen to laws if you've got a little bit of land or whatever. But then the third level is fuck you family. And I think a lot of the time,

• 1:59:42Chris Williamson?

  people are playing these games. They want to be requited and validated, external success and all the rest of it. But I get the sense, and I see this with you and a lot of my friends that become young dads, that they kind of look back on a lot of the ways that they got validation and self-esteem as like, real juvenile, very immature. Like, look at all of these people who I don't know, who I don't give a fuck about, and I cared about their opinions about me.

• 2:00:07Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:08Chris Williamson?

  And really, the only people whose opinions I care about are the ones that are inside of this household.

• 2:00:13Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:14Chris Williamson?

  And that fuck you family thing is the most accessible to everybody.

• 2:00:19Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:19Chris Williamson?

  And um, yeah, it's a transition that, you know, if you're a high powered person, like man or woman, and then you pivot into family life. I wonder how many have like a retrospective existential crisis about like, what the fuck was I doing?

• 2:00:35Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:35Chris Williamson?

  Who was I?

• 2:00:36Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:36Chris Williamson?

  I did all of that and okay, yeah, cool. Like, I just didn't know, but holy shit, like that my eyes have been opened and I see the actual game that I was playing.

• 2:00:44Andrew Schulz?

  Bro, it is so cliche, so much about having children is cliche, but like. The hardest day, the most stressful day, the most difficult day. When I open the door and I get back at six o'clock every day. My daughter is in the playpen usually with my wife. And she hears the door open and like she slowly turns around. And then I watch her face crease into this beautiful, like six tooth smile. And everything, nothing matters at all. It's so cliche. It's, it's actually difficult as a comedian who like tries to have like unique takes on things. How normal my reactions to having a child is, right?

• 2:01:29Andrew Schulz?

  Like, but it is just, nothing really matters in that moment. And then for the next, we're getting after it for the next hour. We're just, we're just getting, nothing matters. And you're a hundred percent right. That is like, fuck you family. Now you need things to get there because you feel obviously like a responsibility to make sure she's safe. And she can go to the school she wants and we can live in a nice place and experience these cool things. But yeah, I love that. I love that.

• 2:01:54Chris Williamson?

  I saw this, I saw this quote earlier on today that said, it's not okay to work your life away, but it is okay to work your twenties away. And

• 2:02:01Andrew Schulz?

  Yo, I like this. Keep going on this because time is something that we should discuss.

• 2:02:06Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, I think, you know, again, I said for me, and I really, I just want to like re-highlight the fact that I think the new special from you is probably the most culturally

• 2:02:21Chris Williamson?

  penetrative explanation of male fertility issues that I've seen. I, you know, you said before, we always assumed that the problem is the woman. And we have big, we have lots of stories about that. We have archetypes, right? The struggling woman, whether it's struggling to find a partner and the biological clock is ticking. Yeah. Trying to get pregnant, you know, going through the IVF and the, the pain of the, the, the process. And then the pain of it not taking and you know, all of the stuff that you can learn about if you spend a bit of time on this. And, uh, we don't have a cultural story about what it's like to be a man who is really desperate to be a dad, but can't find a partner.

• 2:02:58Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:58Chris Williamson?

  Or has a partner and is trying to be a dad and has fertility issues.

• 2:03:02Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:02Chris Williamson?

  And that doesn't exist.

• 2:03:03Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:04Chris Williamson?

  Time for both men and women, e- e- even more than that, like I think about this now. So I'm thirty seven, right? Like, let's say that I managed to make the family in three years. Let's say I have my first kid when I'm forty. Like, I'll be sixty five when my first kid's twenty five. Kids weren't on my brain at twenty five. I'm okay, so I'm seventy five when my kids are thirty five. So I'm gonna be like seventy seven when my kids are my age.

• 2:03:28Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:29Chris Williamson?

  I'm like, chop, chop, I wanna be a granddad.

• 2:03:31Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:32Chris Williamson?

  Like, well, you didn't fucking give your parents that same, like, where was the chop, chop? When you were doing this thing, so.

• 2:03:37Andrew Schulz?

  I didn't meet any of my grandparents. And I met like when I was like one or something like that, one of them, I think. But yeah, that happens and that is the cost, time. First thought I had when I saw my daughter is that, uh, I wish I did it sooner so I would have more time with her. And that's the first thought I saw when I saw her. Like, I was like, what did I do? Now, I'm not regretful of my life. I love how it turned out and I met the woman that I wanna create a family and have a life with. But, yeah, you think about it constantly, time. I, I always heard people talk about it and you see, I mean, it is, it's cliche, but time, like, how do we get time? Every, I don't buy expensive shit, really. Like, I, I think when I first got money, I got some like watches, whatever.

• 2:04:22Andrew Schulz?

  I think it was this like form of validating myself. I think it was this like outside and it was like, yeah, I've, I've achieved some success. Let me get a fucking watch. And like, I retrofitted this justification, it's like, oh, the gears are so nice. It's like, come on, it's not about that. But like, time, everything else, it's like a trip. But the trip is soaking up this undivided time with family and friends. Everything is, how can I spend time with my fam? I'm lucky, I work with all my friends. My guy who does all my partnerships, I've known since I was thirteen years old, is my first friend in high school. My manager, who's just my partner, is my first friend from college. Everybody is family in the group, so I'm very lucky in that regard. But how do we spend time? What, what do we, what do we do?

• 2:05:06Andrew Schulz?

  And like, even I'm gonna do press for this. And I'm like, okay, you gotta, you gotta go and you gotta get the word out. Okay, that's gonna be probably a month of going to get the word out, you know? Okay, that's time away. How can I get that back? Can, okay, can I take a month off in summer and just lock in? How do I spend? Everything I've ever heard from parents is it goes fast. Old people talk about time in the way that young people talk about success and money. People don't really talk about success and when they do, it's like, it's kind of weird. Like they're not like, oh, I killed it in the market today or something like that. You're just like, oh, is that what you're excited about? Nvidia went up? Like, who gives a fuck? Like, oh, I'm taking a trip with your mom and we're going to her favorite place.

• 2:05:49Andrew Schulz?

  You know, and like, everything is this reminder of time, you know, my, my wife's mom has a, you know, disease. This is slowly killing her. It's this reminder of time. My dad has dementia, this reminder of time. And it's fleeting and like the memories that I'll have of my dad exists forever, but we'll never make new memories together. You know, and it's like, this is like, how much time do I have with him? How many actual days do I have with him? And uh, yeah, I haven't fully processed like this, the importance of that, but

• 2:06:23Andrew Schulz?

  yeah, it's just this, this, this, this amazing. It, yeah, as I reflect back, like, I think I have lived a life where I like, I was able to soak up things with my friends, but like, I, I worked, I don't think I've ever not worked seven days, but like, my twenties, I didn't celebrate a birthday. Like I was just doing comedy on the road for no money. Like anybody would let me go on stage so I get better at the craft. Like I, I still had fun. I went, I had a good time with my friend, but I wasn't like, partying, partying like some of my friends were. Like I would say, when I was like on TV, I was like, my friends have way better sex lives. These guys are on fucking Tinder doing like, you know, having fivesomes and shit. And I'm just like trying to write jokes and it was that, that decade was sacrifice, you know? I didn't drink for like 10 years. So I was like, I need to lock in. I gotta fucking, gotta get good at this shit.

• 2:07:08Andrew Schulz?

  But yeah, how can I, I'm fortunate enough to like get a couple bucks and like have a family at 41 years old.

• 2:07:16Andrew Schulz?

  All right, maybe we want to have another kid. How can I organize the rest of my life so that I can just spend time? So I can go out to have a dinner with my wife and we're just fucking joking around and like looking at silly pictures of our daughter and busting balls. Just how do we have as many of those moments as I possibly can for the rest of my life? How many times can I like, peak die laughing with my friends? Like every once in a while you hit that moment, something stupid happens and like, We are just on the floor laughing. Can I have a hundred more of those? Can I have a thousand more of those? How can I organize my life so I can have as many of those as I possibly can? And how can I not waste time with people I don't really care about? I think it goes back to what you're saying. It's like, am I going to waste time on trying to deal with like,

• 2:08:00Andrew Schulz?

  what this person on the internet is saying? Or should I, you know, just read the same book to my daughter 20 times in a row? And like, I should do that, you know? Yeah, time.

• 2:08:10Chris Williamson?

  Every, everything that you say yes to is saying no to everything else.

• 2:08:14Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:15Chris Williamson?

  So by committing to the argument on Twitter, that's a yes.

• 2:08:19Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:20Chris Williamson?

  And you have said no to every other experience that could be possible.

• 2:08:23Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:23Chris Williamson?

  At that moment.

• 2:08:24Andrew Schulz?

  And you're ignoring all the people that are supporting you. You're ignoring all the people that are riding for you. You're ignoring all the people like.

• 2:08:29Chris Williamson?

  To focus on the people that hate you.

• 2:08:30Andrew Schulz?

  I could message back, like the amount of people that send me like DMs about coming to the show, having no clue that it was about the IVF journey. And they're like struggling to get pregnant and then they'll message me a year later and be like, hey, we just had our first kid and like, it was really cool to see that and it made it a little more normal for us. So the people who went through it felt stigmatized and then they, they realized it was, it's like actually something you can kind of laugh at. I should be, and I try to respond to every one of those before I respond to a single person reacting to some fake shit about me on the internet.

• 2:08:59Chris Williamson?

  They should be the bottom of the barrel.

• 2:09:01Andrew Schulz?

  They are.

• 2:09:01Chris Williamson?

  So I've been, again, as somebody who as of yet hasn't reached the finish line with family, but is still in the race.

• 2:09:08Andrew Schulz?

  You'll get there. And then everything you know will go out the window. I just want to let you know. Cause you've got the whole world worked out. I know you've done a lot of work on figuring it out. And the second that baby comes, it's done. It's, it's none of it makes sense anymore.

• 2:09:20Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, I, I am ready for the egg.

• 2:09:21Andrew Schulz?

  I can't wait till that pod. Once you have the baby, we gotta have another.

• 2:09:24Chris Williamson?

  Run it back. Um, but I've been thinking about this, that, uh, how does somebody like you or, or, you know, somebody, maybe even more, somebody like me who hasn't got to that finish line yet. How do you make sense of what you did to yourself for a couple of decades? You know, because I did something not too dissimilar with my work rate and it's still going and the grind and the drive and all the rest of the stuff. And I do get the sense that even if you retrospectively think, God, if I'd known what I know now about what's most important, I could have done that, would I should I could have done that earlier? But then there's another bit of you that goes, how much did I develop into the person that can be the sort of parent that I want to be?

• 2:10:05Chris Williamson?

  Financially, emotionally, in terms of closing all of the loops of life and saying like, I did the things. I did the things. I fucking toured to give hundreds of dates for this thing about you, about you.

• 2:10:17Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:10:18Chris Williamson?

  And I got to not only create this beautiful tribute to you onstage. I also got to like fucking work it out of my system a little bit.

• 2:10:28Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, no, I, I, I don't think you should regret a single thing in your life if it, well. The only thing I would say is like, if you had a relationship that you thought had like a lot of promise and you're like, hey, I need to focus on work and you let it go. That I would go, that's potentially a regret.

• 2:10:46Andrew Schulz?

  I didn't have any of those until I met my wife and I was like, okay, this is it. We're gonna do this a hundred percent. And so if, if you're not, there are some people that do that though. They meet the person that might be like the one for them. I don't know if there's like a one, but there, there's some that they really connected with. It was beautiful and it would have worked. I always tell people that they're like, I don't know if I'm ready to have a kid yet. I'm like, that's fine. That's fine. But if you do, it will work out. Like you will manage it and it will make everything in your life that much better. I cannot impress that upon people more like, so if you are, and, and I get the feeling of let me just make myself safe and protected.

• 2:11:30Andrew Schulz?

  But you will do that naturally. There's an instinct like, what do they say? Every baby comes with a basket of bread. Is that the saying like?

• 2:11:35Chris Williamson?

  I mean.

• 2:11:36Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, I think it's a biblical saying, but it's like, you, you have a baby and all of a sudden like you start to make way more money than you used to.

• 2:11:42Chris Williamson?

  Abundance comes, it, it doesn't restrict your ability to do stuff. It actually enables it.

• 2:11:46Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, so.

• 2:11:47Chris Williamson?

  Interesting.

• 2:11:47Andrew Schulz?

  But yeah, like it seems to me that from our conversation that like you haven't had that relationship in the past that you've shunned. So I wouldn't regret a single thing. Matter of fact, like when that relationship does present itself, hopefully it's the one you're in now. Who knows how that, you know, flourishes or blossoms into something, but like if it is the thing. Go, go and go and fucking send it and then have kids and just they're awesome. And I would love that to be part of like the masculinity conversation. I feel like

• 2:12:16Chris Williamson?

  Me too.

• 2:12:17Andrew Schulz?

  I think I'm, I saw you writing some stuff, or maybe it was right, maybe I was watching you something, but it was something about like, um, there's a lot of talk about masculinity and like what we need to do and how we need to better ourselves. And oftentimes kids aren't put into that equation. Did you, was that you posting about this? And I think that's a great take. Like I would love fatherhood and like what it means to be like a good, active father to be part of this, uh, idea of like the modern male. And, um, because I know the, the fathers I see out there that are really invested, uh, I feel like they would really love to see that represented. That it's not just about like fucking, you know, how your squats are a quarter or whatever. You know what I mean? It's like, who gives a fuck how much you can squat.

• 2:13:01Chris Williamson?

  You know, the bank account or the follower number.

• 2:13:03Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, it's like, yeah, none of that shit matters. Like when you see a dad that sucks with their kid, you know, you're not envious that they have a boat. You're just like, you're a fucking loser. And then when you see those kids that hate their parents, you know, I mean, you're not envious of those parents at all.

• 2:13:18Chris Williamson?

  Regardless of what they've got.

• 2:13:19Andrew Schulz?

  No, but when you see like the dad walk home and these videos of like the three kids run to the door, it's like impossible to not want a million kids.

• 2:13:27Chris Williamson?

  Did you see, I did this video fucking made me tear up the other day.

• 2:13:32Chris Williamson?

  It's a ring doorbell or maybe like the inside of a house thing. And, uh, this little daughter must be three or something.

• 2:13:40Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:40Chris Williamson?

  And she says, daddy, are you going to the gym? And he says, yeah, daddy's going to the gym. And she like turns away from him. She goes, wow, I'm so proud of you. And the dad just freezes.

• 2:13:53Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:13:53Chris Williamson?

  And he like picks her up and I'm just like, holy fuck.

• 2:13:56Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:56Chris Williamson?

  What are we doing? What are we doing that isn't just fucking, yo, this is the most pro-natalist.

• 2:14:01Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:02Chris Williamson?

  Podcast.

• 2:14:02Andrew Schulz?

  We need that. I think we need a lot. I mean, you know, Elon's got his version of saying it. And he's like very brutalist about it. He's like, oh, the population numbers or whatever.

• 2:14:11Chris Williamson?

  That's not what.

• 2:14:11Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah, that's not what people react to. Like a video on the internet. I don't know if you saw the one where like the guy opens the door and he knows there's all these cups that were placed in front of the door by his kids. But he doesn't walk into them because he sees the cups and then he realizes that that was their prank. So then he like makes some noise or knocks on the door so the kids are ready and then closes, then he closes the door, then they kind of like knocks on it or something like that. And then opens and they see him like fall into the cups and the kids are going fucking crazy and you're like, that's, yeah, if there's one thing that I would love to, love to promote, it is, uh, it is, is that.

• 2:14:47Chris Williamson?

  Well, you've, you've, you've done it, man. I, I, I really, really am so proud of what you did with, with this new special. It's, it's really, really fucking special.

• 2:14:53Andrew Schulz?

  I'm proud of you, man. It's awesome to see what you've built and I was really stoked to, to have this conversation with you. So thank you so much for taking the time, brother.

• 2:15:00Chris Williamson?

  Me too. Life. Stream it on Netflix right now.

• 2:15:02Andrew Schulz?

  Yeah.

• 2:15:03Chris Williamson?

  Appreciate you.

• 2:15:04Speaker 02

  Mr. President, my company informed me of the explosion on our rig on October 2nd. Causing massive water displacement and triggering a tsunami. They all heap the blame on me. Tom Cruise is. Digger got us into this mess and Digger's gonna dig us up. From the director of Birdman and The Revenant.

• 2:15:20Speaker 03

  What would happen if I stopped going? You start, you freeze to death. That's what.

• 2:15:24Speaker 02

  With great power comes great deniability.

• 2:15:28Speaker 03

  I'm not the first daddy.

• 2:15:29Speaker 02

  Digger. See the trailer online. Only appears October 2nd. Rated R. Under 17. Not a minute without parent.