The Most Positive Man On Earth - Rob Lipsett | Modern Wisdom Podcast 259

Rob Lipsett is a YouTuber and Fitness Model. While I was in Dubai I managed to get hold of the loudest, friendliest and most positive Irish man in history. Expect to learn Rob's advice for anyone trying to start a YouTube channel, why he can't wait for our robot overlords, what he's learned from a decade of bodybuilding, how he deals with haters and much more... Sponsors: Get 20% discount on Reebok’s entire range including the amazing Nano X at https://geni.us/modernwisdom (use code MW20) Get 50% discount on your FitBook Membership at https://fitbook.co.uk/showcase-your-work/ (use code MODERNWISDOM) Extra Stuff: Check out Fuel Cakes - https://fuelcakes.com/ Subscribe to Rob on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/RobLipsett Get my free Ultimate Life Hacks List to 10x your daily productivity → https://chriswillx.com/lifehacks/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom #fitness #roblipsett #artificialintelligence - Listen to all episodes online. Search "Modern Wisdom" on any Podcast App or click here: iTunes: https://apple.co/2MNqIgw Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2LSimPn Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/modern-wisdom - Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Email: [email protected]

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• 0:00Chris Williamson?

  What's happening long term? You gonna be a YouTuber at 50 years old?

• 0:04Speaker 01

  Joe Rogan's 52. He's the best YouTuber in the world, on paper. You know, he's killing it. Casey Neistat, Gary Vee, Sam Harris, Jordan Peterson is a YouTuber. All the people that I watch most on YouTube are all like in their 50s. So I used to think like, oh man, I can't be doing like these little vlogs forever. And in some way that's true, but I'll definitely always be online for the long term. I'm gonna be the world's oldest YouTuber.

• 0:30Chris Williamson?

  Fantastic.

• 0:34Chris Williamson?

  Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. I'm joined by the one and only Rob Lipsett. How are you, brother?

• 0:39Speaker 01

  What's going on? I'm great. I'm happy to be here. Beautiful views, rented by, sun's shining. Life is good.

• 0:45Chris Williamson?

  Just dropped the Mercedes off?

• 0:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice two day rental. That flex.

• 0:52Chris Williamson?

  2020's been mad, man. How's this year been for you?

• 0:55Speaker 01

  You know what? I'm very into perspective and gratitude. And compared to, you know, what some people have been through this year. For some, I haven't got Corona. That's great. And like, you know, I haven't lost my job. And I've still been able to remain a little bit of normality. So it's been great in terms of the context of things. Yeah, for sure.

• 1:18Chris Williamson?

  What about stuff that you wish you'd been able to change looking back on 2020? Any areas that you thought were weaknesses?

• 1:24Speaker 01

  For sure. So a really annoying thing was I did this like big series. Like I got fired up. I got to the episode five and I meet competing again. You know, going back to the men's physique stage. And I was like, nothing will stop me. I got this. And then Corona was like, and you're gone. So it was kind of funny that like I got on day 30 at a 90 day prep, a 90 day series. And it was going really well. And I was literally like, my favorite motto is I'll either find a way or make one. Like in other words, no excuses. Then I was like, apart from Corona, that's an excuse.

• 2:03Speaker 01

  So look, some things are outside of my control, but that's it. But no, I'm happy with the way things went and I wouldn't really change much.

• 2:12Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. So one of the things I'm fascinated with about yourself is that you seem to be quite an effective serial monogamist. So you've been in and out of a bunch of relationships that people who are fans of your channel will have noticed.

• 2:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:24Chris Williamson?

  And you're able to balance those seemingly with travelling, with doing the YouTube thing. Like every girlfriend becomes like a second videographer.

• 2:32Speaker 01

  Oh my god, so true. I'm like, I got first dates, like, right, so how are you on Final Capa?

• 2:41Speaker 01

  I was like, colour grading skills, yeah. And, and, you know, do you know how to work a music bet? No copyright music. Do you know what I'm talking about?

• 2:50Chris Williamson?

  So talk to me about that, because people who just live normal lives struggle to keep a relationship together.

• 2:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:57Chris Williamson?

  What's your principles for having a good relationship?

• 2:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I was in, when I first started YouTube, I was in a six-year relationship at that time. So I was like 18, we started going out and then I started YouTube when I was 22. So, you know, we've known each other for so many years. She was just like cool with it. She was really encouraging. And then, you know, obviously we parted ways, we're all good now. And then I was single for a bit, okay? And me and Mike talk about this, we're saying how it can be difficult to handle dating life. You know, being single, like, you know, dating a few different people or maybe, you know, just seeing someone once. And YouTube, especially if you go, let's say you're on a weekend away with them and like you're in a cool place, you want to record it. You don't know this person well enough, be like, can you get a clip for me?

• 3:41Speaker 01

  Or it's like, you don't want to vlog it because like, they've got about 10 other chicks on the go. They probably watch this channel. So being single and YouTube, especially if you're playing the field, is quite difficult. So having a partner that understands what you do is super helpful. And so Linda, the girl we're now being with, she's two years, she is so good with it. Like, I'm like, fair play for putting up with me, you know? So she's great, but, but yeah, you certainly got to train them in. And I think being single with YouTube is actually more difficult.

• 4:18Chris Williamson?

  Why?

• 4:18Speaker 01

  In a sense, because again, the dating stuff and also what I noticed when I was on my, my single stint is that dating takes up a lot of time. Yeah, DMing takes up a lot of time.

• 4:30Chris Williamson?

  Swiping right.

• 4:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, I like, I could be editing a video or get doing some clearing out my email inbox, but I'm DMing you. You know, so and and you know, you're you're you're so you're going on dates and drinking, you know, you might be when. It's like when you first start seeing someone, you drink more of them because you get to know know them. And like now, we're happy to go for a meal without having a drink, you know, when you're comfortable with someone. But so so I think being single i- is um, it takes up a lot more time. So I think having a good person in your life helps with like business and YouTube or whatever it is.

• 5:02Chris Williamson?

  One of the things I think is interesting is a lot of friends would be significantly more effective out of their relationship. We all know a buddy who's in a terrible relationship.

• 5:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:13Chris Williamson?

  The they're constantly being told by their partner, guy or girl, why are you not seeing me? You're seeing your friends, you're choosing your friends over me. And what that causes is people to not pursue their goals and aspirations and dreams. Because they have to keep this other person who's supposed to be a part of that journey. They have to actually take a step away from that journey in order to keep that person satisfied.

• 5:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:34Chris Williamson?

  So I think that's a misalignment. But what you also see is when people get into the right relationship, that that actually can benefit and and supercharge their progress. I would say on balance, I know more people in relationships that I think are actually holding them back.

• 5:50Speaker 01

  For sure, but I completely agree with that.

• 5:52Chris Williamson?

  Keeping and going forward, is that what you see?

• 5:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, abso- absolutely, and funny enough is that actually turn your girlfriend off you. You know, if you stop focusing on your goals and and you know, you you you start simping over her. And oh, it's all about you, you know, that's that's not attractive. You know, like most girls in general or most relationships, you know, they they love to see their other half as someone on a mission. Someone driven towards their goal and and Linda even says that to me herself, like seeing me, you know, just start the pancake up a yes. So she was like, sit here down right now.

• 6:29Speaker 01

  And I was like, oh, yeah, you like those flipping pancakes, don't you?

• 6:34Speaker 01

  But but seriously, you're right is most relationships can derail people off their goals. And it's actually, that's gonna affect your relationship negatively. So yeah.

• 6:43Chris Williamson?

  The thing about the uh someone slowing their life down is so correct. It's kind of like, you know, you first meet somebody and you look from the outside in and you're like watching a roller coaster go by at a theme park and you're like, holy shit. Look at all the loop-de-loops. It's so varied. I've never been on a roller coaster like this before. It looks like it's it's been really well thought out and quite established. And then after you've waited in line and decided to buy your admission, you actually find out that it's like the kiddies come at the frog ride.

• 7:15Speaker 01

  Hey, I love that ride. That's the only ride I'm tall enough to get on.

• 7:21Chris Williamson?

  But it's just doing the same thing over and over. And you thought that you were getting this extravagant, very adventurous, varied life.

• 7:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:29Chris Williamson?

  And you're totally correct. That kills a lot of attraction. I think as well, talking from a guy's perspective, one of the reasons that I get disinterested with girls is when I feel like I've got nothing new to kind of learn about them or new insights.

• 7:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:43Chris Williamson?

  And again, if someone's constantly growing and learning and trying to do new things and on a mission, that's gonna help to keep that spark alive.

• 7:50Speaker 01

  Of course, that's attractive, you know, you're being driven and ambitious. That's just something that humans are attracted to and for a good reason.

• 7:57Chris Williamson?

  If you admire your partner, I think that's such a dangerous position to be in because you can't not be attracted to them. If they fit all of the other criteria and you admire them, you're like, holy shit. Like, being with you is going to make me a better person.

• 8:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:09Chris Williamson?

  And you're hot.

• 8:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah.

• 8:12Chris Williamson?

  It's a fucking double threat, isn't it?

• 8:13Speaker 01

  Exactly, it's a double whammy.

• 8:15Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. So what else, man? Like, do you guys ever struggle with YouTube stuff? Does it ever kind of get in the way of the relationship?

• 8:21Speaker 01

  Of course, for sure. And but I've gotten a little bit better about that. And I've learned from previous relationships is like sometimes just put the camera away.

• 8:29Chris Williamson?

  What were the mistakes that you were making? Just trying to constantly get content when you've sort of been just enjoying it?

• 8:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. Like, I remember it was a few years ago, it was in 2016. Um, being an ex, we went to like Bali or something. And I was just like, it was my first time ever. There and I was like, oh Bali, this is the YouTuber's dream. I need to vlog every day. And like the end of just not enjoying the trip. So, so I learned a lot of lessons from that one. So sometimes you gotta just put the camera down and enjoy the moment. And oftentimes, even in terms like videos, some of my most of your videos are when you're just sitting down and talking about a topic, you know. So sometimes you don't need to show everything and, oh, look, I'm driving Mercedes. Oh, I'm in Bali, you know. Most of all, people just want to be informed and educated or entertained.

• 9:14Speaker 01

  I actually took like this marketing on course online. I was studying business and marketing in college. But I dropped out. I learned more in this little online course. I swear to God. So I was studying this marketing course. And the, the key takeaway point I got from that is when it comes to social media and making people wanna share it. You need to elicit an emotional response. So it could be like entertained, you know, motivated, inspired, informed, anything. You know, even if they find it funny, I said, and they said, a remote, an emotional response to make them wanna share it, you know. So this is interesting.

• 9:48Chris Williamson?

  Even if you're not a content creator, I think that everyone is kind of a pocket YouTuber now with the fact that they constantly taking Instagram stories.

• 9:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:56Chris Williamson?

  And it is, it is a balance, right? Because I understand that people want to show other people that care about them, what they're getting up to. But again, as we said before, the balance between people being in relationships that are maybe holding them back. I would also say that most people are overusing their content creation. Instagram or Snapchat or TikTok or whatever it might be, when they go away somewhere and you think, fucking hell, man, like. Do you even watch, do you even go back through the archive of your IG stories? No. But you can go back through your memories, but you don't have the memories because you spent all your time on your phone. So you're like flying all the way to Bali to not remember being there. But to tell everyone else, it's like everyone else gets to go on holiday and you get to be a cameraman. It's dangerous, man.

• 10:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, it is. And, and I used to not think that like phones and technology and social media was, you know, that was that effective on, on human life, or like in a bad way. I, I was like, oh, it's fine, you know, I think phones are great and stuff. But now this year, with the amount of shit that's going on and how polarised we all are, I actually think social media and phones, we, we need to tone it down a little bit on them. So that, that, you know, this year, especially with the election in America, the pandemic worldwide, I'm like, I've never seen the internet go crazier.

• 11:12Chris Williamson?

  I know.

• 11:13Speaker 01

  It, it's wild.

• 11:14Chris Williamson?

  And when people don't have anything to keep them calm and they've got, they've no social connection, they go to that. I don't know whether you've ever noticed this, I did, I was with a girl in LA for about 10 days and then I flew out to Hawaii on my own. And the time that I was with someone, I didn't look at my, I was, my screen time was probably half an hour a day because we're constantly talking and going for lunch. The second that I was away from that person, my screen time was six hours a day, five hours a day, because the screen was a surrogate friend. I didn't have anyone with me on the flight, I didn't have anyone with me in Hawaii. I made some friends in Hawaii, but until that point, I was like, I don't want,

• 11:53Chris Williamson?

  ah, what I'm hypothesising is I don't want to be alone, therefore if I continue to use my phone and go on Instagram and watch YouTube and stuff like that, it will make me feel less alone.

• 12:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I, I think I watched like some clips from Johan Harri, what's his name, is that, am I getting this right?

• 12:09Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, he's been on the show.

• 12:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, oh, no way, damn, damn, but so Johan. Anyways, I, I watched some bits from him and it's how like we're the loneliest we've ever been and all that. And so there's some really interesting stuff there. And yeah, it's, it's like our phones like a crotch, you know?

• 12:25Chris Williamson?

  There's a, a really interesting statistic from America, the study was done in 1950 and they asked Americans, what is the, uh, how many friends could you call on in a crisis? And the most common answer was two. And now in 2019, the most common answer was none. That's not the average, but it's the most common answer. More people had none than had any other answer, which is pretty scary. Um, so yeah, I, I think that connection is a, is something in, especially in 2020, man. I'd be interested to see what happens. I wonder whether coming back out of lockdown and this pandemic, people will.

• 13:03Chris Williamson?

  Yearn for social contact so much more that maybe they become a bit more empathetic and they become a little bit more like all together. You know what I mean, bound together.

• 13:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think they will, and that's me being, you know, Mr. Positive Optimist.

• 13:17Chris Williamson?

  Unrelentingly positive, stop it.

• 13:21Speaker 01

  Fuck you guys, I'm out of here.

• 13:22Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, I know, be a bit more English for a second.

• 13:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, or or a bit more Irish, we're a begrudging nation. But, but I I I think that, you know, people are dying to go to festivals, people are dying to go to events and parties and stuff, so I hope so. Or maybe we'll just all be released out in the streets and fight each other.

• 13:40Chris Williamson?

  Perhaps, if you're Irish.

• 13:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the Irish way, anyways, yeah. I think growing up, I was actually, I've been in about one hundred street fights.

• 13:48Chris Williamson?

  Jesus.

• 13:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 13:49Chris Williamson?

  Is that just like a rite of passage?

• 13:51Speaker 01

  Pretty much, especially like when you're young. Once I got like, around like nineteen, twenty, I haven't been in fights since then, you know, because that's when you get like, you have to go to jail.

• 14:01Chris Williamson?

  Serious consequences.

• 14:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, serious, but when you're young, it's crazy in in Dublin, like, everyone drinks in the park, you know, and there was a fight. And people were going to me and they're like, you've got a punch in the face. And I punched his face.

• 14:14Chris Williamson?

  Sadly, I do. Sadly, I do.

• 14:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm like, that's why my nose looks like this, it goes way to the left. I wish I didn't say that now, because now everyone's gonna notice.

• 14:23Chris Williamson?

  No, Rob's nose does actually go a lot to the left.

• 14:26Speaker 01

  YouTube career over, it's like, I can't watch this guy anymore.

• 14:28Chris Williamson?

  Unsymmetrical face. Uh, talk to me about your training styles changed over the last few years.

• 14:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, so when I started off, like, useless, like, didn't know anything and information was not nearly as easy accessible as it is now. So like, you know, YouTube, YouTube channels like me and Mike's, they weren't really as popular. And you'd read magazines, which were, you'd read Kai Green's routine, and you're like, alright, that's what I'm doing now. Sixteen-year-old Rob, who's not on glorious amounts of trend, has got to try Kai Green's routine. So I remember I'd like a bicep day, a tricep day, a forearm day, a calf day, a chest day, a trap day. It would be like ten days till I got round to hitting chest and legs again.

• 15:17Speaker 01

  So when it started off was useless because just there was not good information out there. But then as the years went on, better information started coming into the scene. Uh so it got much better and then around two thousand and sixteen, I was like prepping for my first show. And I was like fully addicted and I was taking training like probably the most serious I ever did in my life. And then the last couple of years, three years, I've kind of like, you know, built a solid physique. I've learnt how to incorporate that training and my diet into my lifestyle. And so now I'm like, I can finally enjoy myself a little bit. So I know how to like, you know, eat a meal out and kind of, you know, not, not, you know.

• 15:57Speaker 01

  Like for example, if I'm eating a meal out, I'll know just save a few calories for it, do some cardio, know how to balance it really. So yeah, my training is a lot more balanced now. Um they're my three phases. So beginner, noob, extreme, and now, you know, balanced.

• 16:12Chris Williamson?

  I don't think that people existing in two thousand and ten, two thousand and twelve world was like the fitness information. As you're trawling through bodybuilding.com forums.

• 16:25Speaker 01

  Bro.

• 16:25Chris Williamson?

  And T Nation.

• 16:27Speaker 01

  T Nation, simply shredded.

• 16:29Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, and desperately trying to find like, how much, how many grams of predigested aminos do I need to have before and after? Like all of that stuff, that whole world, it was kind of a bit of a glory era because no one knew what the fuck they would do.

• 16:41Speaker 01

  I agree. I, I kind of find it super interesting and enjoyable in a weird way. I was kind of like, will this supplement do anything?

• 16:49Chris Williamson?

  Probably not. I'll spend a hundred pounds on it anyway though.

• 16:52Speaker 01

  Probably not, but I'm gonna buy it.

• 16:54Chris Williamson?

  Do you remember, I can't remember, who was Jade Cutler associated with back in the day? Was it Nitroflex?

• 16:59Speaker 01

  Muscle Tech.

• 17:00Chris Williamson?

  Muscle Tech. Didn't they have a product where they were like, um when you open the lid, little particles of it are going to come out, so you have to not have the lid open for more than five seconds. Do you remember that?

• 17:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, I remember. And there was another one called No Explode. You know, it's like the original.

• 17:15Chris Williamson?

  That was my, that was my fucking go to.

• 17:17Speaker 01

  That and Jatree D, it was just, oh heaven. So it was so funny when I'd open the top, No Explode, me and my friends would take a sniff.

• 17:26Speaker 01

  And we'd be like, yeah, go with that, no, so boys, straight through biceps.

• 17:30Chris Williamson?

  The world of like pre workouts, I've, I've switched a little bit. I'm sort of doing more functional fitness now and we just use Noco or caffeine basically is pre workouts. But the world of like mad pre workouts seems to have died down a bit. In the bodybuilding world, is it like that?

• 17:44Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 17:44Chris Williamson?

  People are still going fucking mental.

• 17:46Speaker 01

  No, it's, it's gone down completely. And the reason for that is that meth is now banned.

• 17:50Chris Williamson?

  What a shame.

• 17:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm like, oh God, what do we do with some meth right now? Everyone's like, wait, you aren't on meth?

• 18:00Speaker 01

  But so basically the ingredient was one three D methyl alamine. That was the one in Jack, really that I crazed that made everyone go wild. And then obviously, I think some chap in Australia snorted some pure one three D. And he like passed away or went crazy or something. And they're like, all right, we've got to ban this. And then they banned all the other like mad ingredients in it. And so now it's like, it's pretty chill. I know, yes.

• 18:25Chris Williamson?

  Golden era is gone, man.

• 18:26Speaker 01

  There's always one guy that ruins the fun for everyone. Yeah. And so I actually came out in my own pre workout in, in 2020. And like I did a collaboration with Ghost, which is the company I'm sponsored by. So that was a good highlight in 2020. I was like, made me feel kind of productive, you know, it was a cool, it was like a childhood dream. It's like my name on a pre workout. Like young Jim Rob would dream of that, you know? But so basically I got to design the ingredient pro- profile, the flavors. Obviously the flavor was whiskey syrup. Classic. It's the only whiskey syrup pre workout in the world, in the world. And so I got to design the ingredients and it was pretty basic, you know, it was like,

• 19:04Speaker 01

  um, it was like beta alamine, caffeine, you know, arginine, a few other bits in there. Um, but it was very, very minimal ingredients.

• 19:13Chris Williamson?

  What are the most common mistakes that you see people making with training? Like,

• 19:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:17Chris Williamson?

  We obviously spend a fair bit of time in the gym and you get a ton of questions from people. Like what are the lowest hanging fruits that everyone fucks up?

• 19:23Speaker 01

  Yep. So I'm gonna talk about training and diet here. So I've worked with thousands of people over the last seven years. In terms of training is people copying other, other people's plans, you know, and especially a beginner will see an advanced trainee, especially if they're huge on Instagram or they're a top bodybuilder and they'll just copy that routine. And it's like, if you're a beginner, ideally, you want to just be coming to terms with the main compound movements first. You just want to be getting familiar with doing your form right, you know, instead of like getting caught up in supersets and drop sets and all these, these, you know, mind muscle techniques and all this, you know, just want to be getting good form down and doing the main movements regularly, okay. So then you compare that

• 20:08Speaker 01

  to the training routine of a pro bodybuilder, it's just night and day. So that would be in terms of training, that would be the biggest mistake I see. And people also following training plans that they can't sustain. So it's like, if your coach gives you, someone who has kids and a nine to five office job, gives them a six day a week training plan that he's not going to stick to, it's just going to be all over the place. Whereas they give him like a three day full body routine, that's like, you know, three hours a week, an hour, an hour in the gym every session, he's going to progress that much more because he can stick to it and actually track it properly.

• 20:42Chris Williamson?

  Is there a way that people can predict whether or not they're going to be able to comply with the training routine?

• 20:47Speaker 01

  Basically, you just look at someone's schedule, you know, and their training age, and then it's pretty simple like that, you know, how many times a week can you realistically make it to the gym? And so that would be, there are two training things that are probably the most common, especially for beginners. Then in terms of diet, here's the two, okay, I go, rest my head, okay. People think there's like magic foods that do certain things, and they think there's like healthy foods that they have to eat. Whereas for the most part, of course, I recommend eating many whole foods so you can do a good nutrient dense diet. But for the most part, in terms of body composition, that's going to come down to your calorie and your macronutrient intake, so your protein, carbs and fats. So

• 21:32Speaker 01

  your body doesn't necessarily see like potatoes or white rice, it just sees carbs, you know? So as long as you're getting those basics down, you're focusing on your total daily intake, which brings me on to my next point, that's the bread and butter, that's the easiest button, that's the main thing.

• 21:48Chris Williamson?

  No bread, no butter.

• 21:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, no bread forever. So that's the main thing is focusing on, instead of focusing on certain foods, focus on the calorie macro intake per day. Another one is timing. People get obsessed over timing, okay, be it intermittent fasting, six meals a day, you know, post-workout, fifteen-minute anabolic window. Oh, I have to have a certain food pre-workout that gives me a pump. Right, again, focus on what you eat in the entire day. A lot of lies have been made up by certain companies saying, you need to drink this shake fourteen minutes after a workout or your arms will disintegrate. Okay, so we've been led a lot of lies about, um, about timing of the nutrients you take in. And even like people with intermittent fasting, I like intermittent fasting, I do it myself.

• 22:35Speaker 01

  But it's mainly just out of convenience and schedule and fit your lifestyle. People say like it has magical benefits that will change your life. If calories are equated, fat loss will be the same, and that is a fact. So, you know, people like to make things more complicated to sell the secret.

• 22:51Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, I can agree.

• 22:52Speaker 01

  And it's so basic. So they're the most common mistakes I've seen after training thousands of people for years.

• 22:57Chris Williamson?

  What's the dumbest diet you've tried?

• 23:00Speaker 01

  I think, yeah, yeah, probably be, now, now keto people don't get offended, okay. Uh, first of all, the dumbest diet I've tried was keto. And again, it was more like low, really low carb. So when I first started out, um, I went on my first cut. I didn't really know much about like calories and macros, so I was like, I'm just gonna get rid of carbs. I was like, I'm just gonna ditch carbs, man. That's just doing it, man. Yeah, yeah, goddamn carbs, that's what's making me fat, okay? So I stopped eating carbs and of course I lost loads of fat because my calories were so low. And I was like, oh yeah, it was the carbs making me fat. Not realising that all that matters in fat loss, not all, but the main thing is being in a calorie deficit, of course.

• 23:43Speaker 01

  So I didn't realise that, you know, I was like, oh, it was the carbs. I knew it was the carbs, but I didn't know by default the calories shot down. And then I obviously educated myself on, you know, dieting down properly and including carbs in your diet. So the next cut I went on, I looked completely different. I got just as lean, if not leaner, and I've held on to so much more muscle strength and felt better. And, and it was way more sustainable, you know, I managed to stay lean pretty much as long as I like. And because I wasn't crash dieting and removing an entire food group. From my diet, you know, if you remove an entire figure from your diet, if it's significant, you're gonna lose fat because of calories, not because you've removed this certain thing.

• 24:27Speaker 01

  You know, people's like, oh, I stopped eating bread and, you know, lost loads of weight. It was probably the bread. It was like, no bitch, it was the calories. You know, so, so that, that's it. And that's definitely the dumbest diet I've followed. But I do know people who just, you know, they understand that calories is the main thing, but they still like keto, just because they, they, they personal preference. So keto people, calm down, okay? I, I'm, I'm with you partially. Stares at my.

• 24:56Chris Williamson?

  I know. Please, for the love of God, stop messaging me.

• 24:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:59Chris Williamson?

  Have you heard of the fitness menopause?

• 25:01Speaker 01

  No.

• 25:02Chris Williamson?

  Right. So this is something that I came up with.

• 25:04Speaker 01

  Sounds odd.

• 25:05Chris Williamson?

  It's, it's slightly odd, but I think everybody goes through it, right? Um, fitness menopause is when you get toward the end of your twenties, especially as a guy, but also as a girl, who's trained for a significant period of time, maybe started training in your late teens or early twenties. And you start to realise that actually what you're doing might not be making you fitter, but it might make you look fitter. And you become chronically aware of your own mortality as you approach thirty. You realise that like going up a set of stairs ties you out and you're out of breath and you can't touch your toes. And actually my ankle hurts a bit and oh, my chest like is super tight all the time, blah, blah, blah. And what you do is you start looking toward different styles of training.

• 25:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:42Chris Williamson?

  So you start looking towards yoga or Brazilian Jiu Jitsu or CrossFit or, uh, you go back to doing dancing that you used to do as a young girl or whatever it might be. And there's a ton of.

• 25:52Speaker 01

  Back in the day when I was a young girl.

• 25:53Chris Williamson?

  When you were a young girl, yeah, a young ballet dancer in Ireland. Getting the shit kicked out of you, yeah.

• 25:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Never punched me in the face.

• 26:03Chris Williamson?

  I don't know why they punched me in the face.

• 26:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I know. And like, I was just there, like Irish dancing in the field. And what are we gonna take?

• 26:13Chris Williamson?

  So this is something that I see, especially amongst my buddies and me, that we've all kind of made these little transitions. But you and Mike are both locked in hard on a long-term journey of bodybuilding. Have you ever been tempted, like, I'm gonna try some martial arts, I'm gonna try some CrossFit, I'm gonna try some endurance sports?

• 26:31Speaker 01

  Yep, so I've done, got a few MMA sessions here and there, because I made some of the lads in SVG in Dublin. I think I really miss that Dublin as well, and I love it, you know, it's always fun. But I kind of just gravitate back towards the pump life, you know? I think it's just like my favourite style of training. But with that said, I do like changing things up from time to time. And I do also like, kind of enjoy more like activities, like going on hikes with the missus, you know? I'm not that like hardcore bodybuilding as I was maybe in like 2019, 15 and 16, where I was like all about as much game as possible.

• 27:11Speaker 01

  Actually, was, used to be a slight eating disorder, as a lot of people in the fitness industry do, and I was afraid to like eat out even, you know, because I was like, I can't track this. You know, and so I definitely went through a hardcore phase. And now I'm a bit more relaxed with things, and funny enough, results are the same, if not better, you know?

• 27:30Chris Williamson?

  That's something, I think a lot of people probably need to know.

• 27:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:34Chris Williamson?

  That the neuroticism, that brackets between what they want to do and the effort that they do to get it, that, the way that you feel between those can be very different and you can still get the same results. Remember I did this, I did this post a while ago that said, the difference between the girl who obsesses about going to the gym all day and thinks that she needs to be super motivated and gets really worried and works herself up and believes that she needs a ton of motivation, and then finally dragged her ass to the gym that night. And the girl who just goes because she goes.

• 28:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:04Chris Williamson?

  The results at the end are precisely the same. They're literally the exact same thing, but the difference is, one of them's had to use that obsession across the board. And I think that that's like the number one trick. Of motivation is that for a lot of stuff, you don't actually need to be motivated, you just need to do it.

• 28:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:22Chris Williamson?

  And that sounds very circular, but it is the truth.

• 28:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:25Chris Williamson?

  The end goal is that the outcome is the outcome and you can achieve that as long as you do the thing. Regardless of how much and that with the eating disorders and the classic body dysmorphia that I think is pretty rampant.

• 28:36Speaker 01

  Oh rampant.

• 28:38Chris Williamson?

  And all of that stuff is people who are using something quite negative to put them in a good place. But they could still get to that good place without having to feel all the negativity.

• 28:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that's why I said like the most common mistakes I see are, you know, people getting caught up on the timing and the certain foods. And it's like, none of it makes a difference. Like I hate to break it to you, you know, it's not going to make even a measurable difference, you know. Where especially for most ninety nine percent people, like if you're top one percent bodybuilder or athlete, you know. Yeah, okay, it's good to position some, you know, protein and calories and range of workouts. But for a gym who, you know, just works in the office as a wife and kids and he just wants to get in better shape, you know, get shredded down a bit for summer. So you'd be worrying like that.

• 29:26Chris Williamson?

  Got you. What do you think that YouTubers, fitness YouTubers know about making content that most other content creators don't?

• 29:34Speaker 01

  I think that they know well about informing people because, you know, fitness. Unless you're like showing off your physique, you know, what are you talking about? You've got to give information really. And so that's a thing, I think, a lot of vloggers, like, you know, you see some vloggers in L A, they're like, you know, young kids or whatever. You know, I'm sure you're blown up, but they go about their day and you don't really get, give anything to your viewers. I think that's one thing that fitness YouTubers and fitness industry is good at, is informing people and being as educational as possible and showing off your knowledge. And, you know, we've just been ragging on the fitness industry there. By the way, I love the fitness industry and the best people I've met my entire life.

• 30:14Speaker 01

  Like Mike, for example, yourself, you know, if you know Mike, have been connections made through fitness. So I think you'll actually find an extremely positive community on the most part because everyone's exercising, working out. And I think exercising regularly, you know, it doesn't have to be like super extreme, you don't be a bodybuilder, but I think exercising regularly is possibly one of, if not the best thing someone could do. Actually, like I'm Rob Lipsett and I believe in fitness. You know, I, I think it is the most important thing, like when people are like, Rob, what's the most important part of your day? I'm like, getting a session in, working out, you know, and I, and it's not like, I'm not, I'm not as impressive as Mike or a lot of these guys,

• 30:57Speaker 01

  but just how it makes me feel, you know, and it kind of like anchors my day in the sense, it's like, once I get a good workout in, like the rest of the day just flows well, you know, and it's something to, something to look forward to when you wake up as well. And so I think the majority of people would be a lot better off if they, if they did some form of resistance training.

• 31:15Chris Williamson?

  Including some YouTubers as well, probably.

• 31:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 31:18Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, it's interesting, man. I don't know, like personally for me, I, I've started watching um a bunch of stuff from probably the same kids you're talking about in LA.

• 31:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:26Chris Williamson?

  And some of it is like enjoyable, mindless watching.

• 31:29Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 31:30Chris Williamson?

  But it's a sort of thing that afterwards I feel a bit guilty about.

• 31:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I've seen, oh, I feel guilty after going on TikTok.

• 31:35Chris Williamson?

  Oh, God, that's dude, we were with, we were with a girl out here and my buddy George asked to see her screen time. And she was averaging nine hours a day on her phone, three and a half hours every day was on TikTok. And apparently he was just sat there like watching and the way that she was moving was just like flick, flick, flick, flick, flick. And I, I would go out and say on a limb, TikTok is the least value adding platform ever created.

• 32:04Speaker 01

  I would probably agree with that as well. Like there's a few accounts, like motivational ones or ones about like business, they're very hard to find. The majority of it's dancing.

• 32:14Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, and people making the, the uh swimming pools turn green.

• 32:18Speaker 01

  Oh, I haven't seen that.

• 32:19Chris Williamson?

  Have you not seen this?

• 32:21Speaker 01

  You obviously spend a bit more time on it than me.

• 32:23Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, maybe I do. Um but honestly, man, like I, I, it really does sort of fucking concern me that how much can you get across in the space? What's the maximum a TikTok can be? Fifteen seconds, thirty seconds?

• 32:33Speaker 01

  Something like that, yeah.

• 32:35Chris Williamson?

  Short. So you're right, you have to get through a lot of crap for a small length duration of something that might be slightly informative.

• 32:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, and, and do you know what, what concerns me about that screen time of the person you mentioned there? Nine hours is probably more than they sleep.

• 32:52Chris Williamson?

  They'll spend more time on the phone than they are asleep.

• 32:54Speaker 01

  That, that scares me as well. And sleep is another one. I, I've, I'm not a good sleeper, like I.

• 33:00Chris Williamson?

  What's that mean?

• 33:01Speaker 01

  Like as in, I struggle to get, I, I have so much energy, when it comes to the end of the day, I'm like staring up at the ceiling like, can't fucking wait for tomorrow.

• 33:12Speaker 01

  And I just end up not sleeping and I I always wake up early. That chronicle kicking in.

• 33:19Chris Williamson?

  That's fine.

• 33:20Speaker 01

  I always wake up early, like just automatically, like I wish some days I could sleep in. But I I really struggle at getting to sleep early. And which is really bad and something I need to focus on and will massively help your fitness as well.

• 33:33Chris Williamson?

  Huge.

• 33:33Speaker 01

  And everything. I watched, it was the, when I really got enlightened on sleep was it was Joe Rogan podcast.

• 33:40Chris Williamson?

  Matthew Walker.

• 33:41Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 33:41Chris Williamson?

  Number eleven oh nine.

• 33:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:44Chris Williamson?

  Tell that, send it to a lot of people.

• 33:46Speaker 01

  That is impressive, but it was like the first time when I was like, whoa, sleeping's cool.

• 33:51Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 33:51Speaker 01

  I was like, sleeping's dope as hell.

• 33:53Chris Williamson?

  Dude, I would love to know how many people got red pilled on sleep by that one podcast.

• 33:58Speaker 01

  I think it's one of the most viewed J R E episodes ever.

• 34:00Chris Williamson?

  It's fucking unbelievable. If you haven't listened to it, eleven oh nine on Joe Rogan, watch it on YouTube or listen to it. Dr Matthew Walker, who wrote Why We Sleep.

• 34:07Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 34:08Chris Williamson?

  And he's at the Sleep Diplomat on Twitter. It's just, yeah, it's such a fucking good name, isn't it?

• 34:16Speaker 01

  I changed my bio to Chief Pancake Inspector at Fuelcase. But yeah, no, that that got red pilled on sleep there and it's it's sick. I never thought you could make a subject about lying down in the dark so interesting.

• 34:30Chris Williamson?

  One of the things that I think is why that resonated with a lot of people and you're seeing a lot of sleep technologies now.

• 34:37Speaker 01

  Dave's Coffee.

• 34:38Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, whack. Um, I've kind of no idea why I'm not sleeping.

• 34:43Chris Williamson?

  One of the reasons I think that people really resonate with it and you're seeing stuff like sleep masks and different binaural beats that help you go to sleep. The chili pads, mattress topper, different types of fancy mattresses and pillows and weighted blankets. All of this sleep technology. The reason that I think that's getting so much attention is that it's one of the few things that's ubiquitous across all of society. Everyone needs to sleep.

• 35:08Speaker 01

  Everyone.

• 35:08Chris Williamson?

  Right? Everybody also probably needs.

• 35:12Chris Williamson?

  In one form or another to have a bit of fitness in their life. Everyone also needs to look at their diet. Like, no one's not moving, eating or sleeping. Everyone's doing that in one form or another. So that's why the broadness of the market that you can access is so big. And I think that, yeah, Matthew Walker, I I I honestly wonder how much of like the sleep industry. He and and and other people like him have kicked off.

• 35:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, just the way he said sleep industry there, I'm like. Is it like the fitness or gaming industry where they like make beef about each other? You're like, heard Matthew Walker only sleeps seven hours per night.

• 35:50Speaker 01

  I looked in his window last night, I saw him awake lying on his phone.

• 35:54Chris Williamson?

  His face mask was lying half off, he's such a noob.

• 35:59Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, no, that would be, that would also be good. I'd love to find Matthew Walker have a bunch of beef, like the Game Changes documentary, debating about different stuff.

• 36:05Speaker 01

  Oh, that was, that was a little shy. Like, I couldn't make it through that one either. Like, that was cherry picking at its finest.

• 36:12Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, it's it's, man, that that's a whole other rabbit hole for us to get down. But, yeah, I think.

• 36:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't actually don't want to anger the vegans. For people that wanna like, you know, save the animals, they're the most angry. Vile people I've ever come across in my life.

• 36:27Chris Williamson?

  So there's a, there's an interesting article I read recently about this, right? You have two ends of the scale. One is an end which is very newsworthy but polarizes people. That's the ones that you're talking about. So Peter that'll throw pigs' blood on people wearing Canada Goose and stuff like that.

• 36:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:42Chris Williamson?

  Then at the other end of the scale, you have people who are doing animal change but very reasonably. But the problem is that it's not as newsworthy because it's not as uh uh speculative, it's not as attention grabbing.

• 36:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:54Chris Williamson?

  So if you're making, for instance, a reasonable argument, factory farming for animals that never see the light of day. There's not many people other than farmers that are defending that. It's such a reasonable argument.

• 37:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:06Chris Williamson?

  That it almost doesn't need to be said and would quite easily convert people.

• 37:09Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 37:10Chris Williamson?

  But because it's so reasonable, it doesn't make headlines.

• 37:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:12Chris Williamson?

  And on the other end, the one that does, and what happens is inevitably all of veganism gets branded by its most extreme elements.

• 37:19Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 37:19Chris Williamson?

  When we're talking about the left versus the right, the right gets branded as racists that wear KKK hoods. And the left gets branded as feminists with purple hair. Like, it's not, like, the middle is the fattest section of both of those groups. The same with the animal change stuff.

• 37:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:34Chris Williamson?

  But unfortunately, the reasonable.

• 37:38Chris Williamson?

  Well thought out vegan movement that's trying to make really good progress in terms of animal welfare. Gets co- totally like dissuaded by someone that will spray paint the side of a Land Rover uh uh like outside of a farm, you know what I mean?

• 37:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, it it's crazy and it's like, it's a catch twenty two. Cause it's like, you know, that's what people hear about, but what people should be hearing about it is the reasonable argument. But they don't. So, yeah, you know, and that's the same with anything, like even with politics. I'm sure most people are reasonable people that listen to both sides, but we always just.

• 38:10Chris Williamson?

  They don't make headlines.

• 38:11Speaker 01

  That don't make headlines. So we always just, we hear about the extreme left and the extreme right.

• 38:15Chris Williamson?

  So I tweeted the other day, reasonable people rarely make headlines. What's your advice to someone that wants to start a successful YouTube channel?

• 38:21Speaker 01

  Right, consistency, quality.

• 38:24Chris Williamson?

  Weekly, monthly?

• 38:26Speaker 01

  I I would say at least twice a week and like that's, that's the hardest part, you know, that's the hard. I I have only uploaded like once per week the last like few weeks. I'm gonna pick it up now when I need to like focus on something like be a competition or you're launching a new brand. I I I dial it in, but consistency is what will build a relationship with your viewers because they're seeing you regularly. And and it's like, you know, like, let's say you watch a series like Game of Thrones or something, it's like out every week. You know, people follow the story. That's kind of like what they want with YouTube, watching, you know, your life or the information you put out. They wanna like follow it and they they want it to be regular really. And so consistency and obviously quality stuff that gets shared and unless it's an emotional response.

• 39:10Speaker 01

  Is really the way to go. And of course, that's, you know, very easier said than done, of course. And but yeah, I think building that community i- is super helpful. And I think YouTube is the most powerful of all social medias. In terms of like me for my, you know, the pancakes, the the training plans, my book, whatever it is. And YouTube has made the most sales for that because when people look at an Instagram pic of, you know, you doing an app selfie. That's it, you know, it's a it's a still image, whereas we're doing sixty frames, sixty still images per second here. You know, so people get to know you a lot better and they build that relationship with you. And it's like, there's a lot of people in the fitness industry that like.

• 39:54Speaker 01

  Put my physique to shame. But yeah, they can't string two sentences together. They can't talk to a camera. You know, and so, you know, they've been less successful, whatever you define that as, and, you know, in the fitness industry. So, because, you know, they're, they're not, they're not talking to their viewers.

• 40:10Chris Williamson?

  I said this to Mike, I was so fascinated to see what would happen if fitness Instagram had started a YouTube channel and if fitness YouTube has started a podcast. Because I've, I've got this theory that most creators max out at the top of the curve of what they can produce.

• 40:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:28Chris Williamson?

  Now, I have a challenge being less verbose. I like to talk for an hour and a half. So when I start vlogging, my little clips that I've been trying so hard out here and I was asking Mike, I'm like, dude, how do you get what you need to say into 20 seconds? Like, it's, it's so difficult.

• 40:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:45Chris Williamson?

  That's my challenge to become less like, um, verbose. Whereas I would hazard a guess that tons and tons and tons of Instagrammers, especially in the fitness world, would be so found out if you asked them to sit down for an hour and have a conversation.

• 40:59Speaker 01

  Exactly. That, that is so true. And one thing I've been saying this for a year is I need to get on the podcast side because I can go on and on for hours. But I think in terms of what we just mentioned there, YouTube, Instagram and podcasts, I think podcasts are, would edit out the most informative and will really get to your captivated audience. If someone listens to you speak for three hours, they're going to be invested.

• 41:22Chris Williamson?

  But what's, what's your average view time on YouTube?

• 41:26Speaker 01

  I wouldn't know the average. I'd have to go into analytics, but most of my videos are between 20 to 40 minutes long.

• 41:31Chris Williamson?

  Are they really? So yours are a bit longer.

• 41:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.

• 41:34Chris Williamson?

  So you want maybe 10 minutes, five to 10 minutes ish on an average watch time?

• 41:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 41:38Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. So the equivalent on a, let's say that you're doing a podcast, the analytics on the backend of Apple Podcast Connects, for me, a 70 to 75% completion. So you're talking about a 45 minute average listen time. And that's because when you put a podcast on, you're not constantly being hit by other temptations. There's not a thumbnail for the what's up next. And you're not, you're not able to swipe down and have a little bit of a look about.

• 42:05Speaker 01

  That's so true. It's like being a kid in a candy store. You're like, oh, you see tits in a thumbnail and you're like, all right, Rob, I'm out of here.

• 42:13Chris Williamson?

  Shut up about Dubai, Rob.

• 42:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:15Chris Williamson?

  There's a booty selfie over here.

• 42:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, I can compete with that.

• 42:19Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, so the retention that you get on audio is significantly better. But I think that you're right, like YouTube is in terms of enacting change and developing an audience, definitely the most powerful. Another thing I learned a couple of years ago is the potential for VR to change people's perceptions. So you've got to think, everything that we're doing really is being mediated by a flat screen.

• 42:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:44Chris Williamson?

  Whether it's still image, whether it's a video, whether it's a really good video, whether it's short, long, whatever it is, there's like an upper bound on how immersive that can be. Because it's only ever a flat screen or maybe a big TV or whatever. But they did studies where they showed people the effects of tree felling on a VR headset.

• 43:06Speaker 01

  Tree felling?

• 43:07Chris Williamson?

  Knocking down trees to make paper and it permanently changed their approach to paper wastage. So basically, the point is that as we get into more and more immersive technologies into AR and VR and holographics, into whatever it might be, that that is going to raise the ceiling of how much impact we can have. Like if you think it's quite difficult, back in the day in World War Two, Hitler would have been using oratory, but it couldn't have been recorded and replayed because not everybody would have had a TV. You'd have used the radio, but you don't get the visual with it. You would have been reading stuff, but that that paper is quite unengaging.

• 43:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 43:45Chris Williamson?

  And now what we're doing is slowly raising that ceiling of persuadability of the platform. And then when AR and VR come along, augmented reality, virtual reality, it's just going to go through the ceiling. So when you get the opportunity, man, virtual reality training sessions, get your headset on and train with Rob Lips.

• 44:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. You know, the owner of Bodybuilding.com, that's what he's invested massively in.

• 44:08Chris Williamson?

  Is it really?

• 44:09Speaker 01

  He's invested in, I don't know the exact ins and outs, but something like Vior Gym or something. And like, you know, he's.

• 44:18Chris Williamson?

  Train with Ty Green.

• 44:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, train with Ty Green. For real, you know, like this is the next step. And one of my favourites, I'm actually really into, you know, this whole AI and virtual reality world. I think it's super interesting. Watch us Ready Player One. Yeah, I'm pretty much Sam Harris now.

• 44:37Speaker 01

  So I I think it's super interesting and like Zed I I think it's it's one to watch. Are you a simulation guy?

• 44:44Chris Williamson?

  So.

• 44:45Speaker 01

  It's my favourite press.

• 44:46Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, uh Nick Bostrom's simulation hypothesis is very, very hard to refute. Like it's for the people that don't know what it is, it's a three step argument that justifies why we're not in root reality. I E. While we're living in a simulation, um here's another interesting thing for you that adds to the simulation argument.

• 45:03Speaker 01

  Hit me.

• 45:04Chris Williamson?

  Okay, so have you heard of the plank length?

• 45:06Speaker 01

  I have not.

• 45:07Chris Williamson?

  Right, so the.

• 45:08Speaker 01

  Wait, is this how much uh I can hold a plank for?

• 45:10Chris Williamson?

  Yes, it is. That's it's actually how long your plank is.

• 45:13Speaker 01

  What about side planks?

• 45:15Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, so the plank length is the it's created by I think Max Planck. And it denotes the smallest length that exists. So below this, there is no smaller amount and it sounds bizarre because you should be able to just continue halving stuff until it gets smaller. But that's not now the way that that relates to the simulation hypothesis is that you would not be able to simulate a universe with unlimited fidelity or an unlimited resolution. So you remember your old CRT TV, if you went up right close to it, you could see the pixels.

• 45:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:48Chris Williamson?

  And then now we've got retina displays that our eyes can't pick up, but if you had a super magnifier, you would be able to see that as well. And the argument is that the reason that there is a minimum length within the universe, which is the plank length, is because that's the resolution that the universe is created at.

• 46:06Speaker 01

  Yes, we are living our best simulation right now, people.

• 46:10Chris Williamson?

  I mean, have you heard the fine tuned universe argument as well?

• 46:13Speaker 01

  I haven't heard that one, but wait, but before you got so and now I'm gonna butcher this, okay, I'm gonna butcher this, but what's the this study? They studied something like neurons or energy. And it changed the way it moves when people looked at it.

• 46:28Chris Williamson?

  So that's quantum theory.

• 46:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:30Chris Williamson?

  That observing a particle means that you can't basically see the uh motion and the position of something at the same time.

• 46:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:39Chris Williamson?

  And observing it forces it to go into one or the other. Now, the specifics of that, like this is where that looseness in the system is where people like Deepak Chopra, who I fucking hate. Like they slot in all sorts of weird quantum spookiness about like energy and and and spirits and stuff like that.

• 46:58Speaker 01

  I read the secret.

• 46:59Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 47:00Speaker 01

  Now, get him off, get him off the podcast.

• 47:04Chris Williamson?

  This is it over now. But yeah, it's a, that is, that's an interesting one. This thing to do with fine tuned universe, right? So there is a number of different universal constants. One of them's gravity, one of them's the weak, uh, strong and weak, um, forces. One of them is a slight push away that all of the matter in the universe has. And the only way that we could have this particular universe where matter's pushed apart so much that it, it, uh, counteracts gravity, but isn't pushed apart so much that it allows gravity to bring things together. The level of fineness, the knife edge that that's on for absolutely everything is so, so unbelievably precise.

• 47:47Chris Williamson?

  It's like one part in a trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion. If it went left or right, more or less, that the universe wouldn't exist.

• 47:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:54Chris Williamson?

  And that as well is another thing where people just think, it makes a fucking good argument that we're in a simulation.

• 48:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I, I believe it, yeah. But it's not like change something. It's like, it's like, hey, I just live our best to a simulation.

• 48:07Chris Williamson?

  Did you listen to Nick Bostrom, the guy that came up with the simulation hypothesis on Rogan, where Rogan didn't get the argument?

• 48:13Speaker 01

  No, I, that'd be me now. I don't think I've heard that. Was he on Lex Friedman?

• 48:18Chris Williamson?

  Nick? I'm not sure.

• 48:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:20Chris Williamson?

  He's like a Swedish guy, bald head.

• 48:22Speaker 01

  Oh, he was. Yes, I did listen to it. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was amazing.

• 48:25Chris Williamson?

  So on Rogan, he tries to explain, like his crowning work, right? This simulation thing tries to explain it to Joe and I've been a fan of Nick. Superintelligence is my favorite book on AI, which is what Sam Harris relates to.

• 48:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:37Chris Williamson?

  Um, and I'm like, fucking yes, Rogan's gonna nail this. Nick Bostrom's amazing. Nick, uh, gives one hour of press per month. That's what he allocates out of his schedule, one hour of press per month. So to get him out to LA to record with Joe in the studio, you know, probably took up like four months allowance or something. And I'm thinking this is gonna be unreal. And the final hour is just a fucking loop of Joe not understanding the simulation hypothesis. And it's so painful and someone commented below saying, I wish I was living in a different simulation where Joe Rogan understands simulation hypothesis. It's so fucking funny, man.

• 49:16Speaker 01

  That's quality. And, and as a podcaster yourself, like, who do you look at as the goat?

• 49:21Chris Williamson?

  Rogan. Yeah, yeah, he's unbelievable, man.

• 49:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. The reason that he's. I'm glad, John, I'm glad you said that because some people try not to say that as if they're like. They're saying like.

• 49:29Chris Williamson?

  Underground heroes.

• 49:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, they they tried to say like some fucking unknown podcast or.

• 49:35Chris Williamson?

  So I think like the the best guys that I admire, the ones that are the most precise speakers. But what Rogan does particularly well is he asks the question that you would have asked. If you'd had thirty minutes to prepare, but he just continually does that throughout an episode.

• 49:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:52Chris Williamson?

  And what you hear is him say the thing that you wanted to know without knowing that you wanted to know it.

• 49:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:58Chris Williamson?

  And you're like, oh, yeah, that is where I wanted the conversation to go to. He very rarely interjects and forces something to go left because he preps, but he doesn't prep too much. It means that he's always just happy to allow the conversation to flow and he'll gently try and guide it towards. So he's great. Sam Harris is phenomenal. Um Ben Shapiro is the most precise speaker on the planet. He's fucking.

• 50:20Speaker 01

  Love him, love him.

• 50:22Chris Williamson?

  So good. Uh Jordan Peterson's out with rehab, so that'll be interesting.

• 50:25Speaker 01

  He's got a new book, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 50:28Chris Williamson?

  Um so I emailed Penguin Roundhouse yesterday. Let's see what happens.

• 50:31Speaker 01

  He's nice.

• 50:31Chris Williamson?

  Um so, yeah, there's there's some good guys, but I I do think.

• 50:35Speaker 01

  The intellectual dark web.

• 50:37Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. Did you think that Sam Harris handed his membership card back in? I shit you not.

• 50:42Speaker 01

  I'm like, give it to me.

• 50:43Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, it's the most like, it was so fucking interesting. I don't know. Trump Derangement Syndrome's fully got Sam.

• 50:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was, he's he's very, he's gone full left, you know, like, but too much to laugh.

• 50:55Chris Williamson?

  I just think he's, he was so blinded by the fact that he didn't like Trump.

• 50:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:00Chris Williamson?

  And then, I don't know, man.

• 51:02Speaker 01

  Do you know, do you know what? I saw the funniest point made to um people, Biden voters, they're like, name, name one reason to vote for, name a few reasons to vote Biden without mentioning Donald Trump.

• 51:16Chris Williamson?

  Well, it's the enemy of my enemy is my friend, right?

• 51:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 51:19Chris Williamson?

  And getting in off of.

• 51:23Chris Williamson?

  Can we really say in 2020 that the best politicians of the leaders of the biggest nation on the planet, both should be as incompetent as those two?

• 51:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, it was something off.

• 51:32Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, I don't know, I.

• 51:34Speaker 01

  I just don't know how it got there.

• 51:36Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, what's, how does Ireland work? Who's in charge there?

• 51:39Speaker 01

  Funny enough, I follow like American politics more than Irish politics. So we have a Taoiseach, which is like our prime minister.

• 51:48Chris Williamson?

  What?

• 51:48Speaker 01

  It's Irish for like prime minister, pretty much.

• 51:50Chris Williamson?

  What's it called?

• 51:51Speaker 01

  Taoiseach. So I speak Irish. Like, cunst a taoiseach, taoimh gama, taoimh osair, and I guess, Roberta sanam don.

• 51:58Chris Williamson?

  That, what was that?

• 51:59Speaker 01

  That, hey, it was of them, you know, Rob is my name, how's it going? I'm good. I'm from Ireland.

• 52:05Chris Williamson?

  Christ.

• 52:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 52:06Chris Williamson?

  Wow.

• 52:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, so like, like.

• 52:07Chris Williamson?

  Taoiseach?

• 52:08Speaker 01

  Taoiseach, yeah. So we have a prime minister and like, of course, you know, that is the person who runs the country, pretty much, is the final say. We also have a president that who doesn't really do much.

• 52:20Chris Williamson?

  Okay.

• 52:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know. Yeah, it's strange. It's like, just a president. He just mainly goes to rugby matches and like, you know, kind of like makes a dress. He's a legend. He's got my, Miggledy Higgins. And he's like, he's like a poet. Well, his name is Michael D Higgins, but everyone calls him Miggledy.

• 52:35Chris Williamson?

  Why?

• 52:36Speaker 01

  It's just an Irish name, call him Miggledy. And so he got just chills. So I want to be president of Ireland one day.

• 52:42Chris Williamson?

  I was gonna say, have you considered that as a retirement plan?

• 52:44Speaker 01

  Oh, definitely. Yeah, for sure. So I don't want to be Taoiseach because it's too serious. I'm like, if you could just slide me into the presidential role, that would be great. And so the goal would be, I'm actually going to question you about this. So the goal would be to have just a huge focus on health and fitness and be become the strongest, fittest nation in the world. I truly do believe in fitness. I swear to God. If I got became president, okay, first of all, I'll have a YouTube channel as well. Like, why doesn't Trump block?

• 53:15Chris Williamson?

  I'd subscribe.

• 53:16Speaker 01

  I'd subscribe. You know, it's like, can we just get those Twitter rants on video, please?

• 53:21Chris Williamson?

  That would be something.

• 53:23Speaker 01

  So I would do, you know, a weekly vlog is the prayers, you know, and I just get.

• 53:27Chris Williamson?

  Got a rugby?

• 53:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, you got a rugby, I'm a rugby boy, I'm going to the Irish match today. Come on.

• 53:31Chris Williamson?

  Again?

• 53:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. They're like, is he going to match on this weekend?

• 53:34Chris Williamson?

  Does it even work?

• 53:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And so you get a sick house, you get the Irish White House, like.

• 53:39Chris Williamson?

  All right.

• 53:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, the Irish have their own. Yeah, it's in Phoenix Park. It's like right in the biggest park in Ireland. It's great. And so I'd be present and I'd encourage it. Really huge focus on health and fitness. That's going to improve the mental health of the nation. It's going to make people more productive. I'd get people in the right jobs as well. So it was going to be a lot more motivated, motivated and the economy would increase in turn. And again, the health bill would come down massively. And so I'm like, there's no, I don't hear enough politicians talking about hitting the gym. Dead serious, by the way. Not enough politics talking about calories, not enough politics about, you know, mental health. And not enough politics about doing something passionate about. People are like, oh, this is too cliche, you know?

• 54:22Speaker 01

  What about GDPR? And I'm like, no one knows what the fuck GDPR even stands for.

• 54:30Speaker 01

  So that's it. That's it. Rob, this is the president. I'm twenty eight now. You've got to be thirty five to run. So.

• 54:36Chris Williamson?

  Give me a couple of years. Seven, seven years and those are my policies.

• 54:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. It's seven years. I'm like, I'm like, what's twenty eight and what's thirty five?

• 54:41Chris Williamson?

  The smallest nation in the world.

• 54:43Speaker 01

  Pretty much like a nation of warriors, as the Irish are meant to be.

• 54:46Chris Williamson?

  So there is like an interesting point there, the fact that the difference between our parents' generation and ours is so vast, right? But I don't hear my dad talking. When my dad talks about health and fitness, he'll talk about walking the dogs. Like, that's everyone's, my dad, right? Still now.

• 55:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course, same.

• 55:01Chris Williamson?

  When we're parents, that's not going to be our view of the world.

• 55:06Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 55:06Chris Williamson?

  And I wonder, there will be a point at which the level of awareness of health, fitness, mental wellbeing, diet, sleep. Everything, how you accrue wisdom, how you deal with negotiations, everything, social media, full works. That's going to continue to take over the old world.

• 55:25Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 55:25Chris Williamson?

  Um, and I wonder whether or not. I don't think that there's going to be another shift, at least in the next hundred years, in terms of insight as much as there was between our parents' generation and ours.

• 55:37Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 55:37Chris Williamson?

  I think the gap is so wide between them and us.

• 55:41Speaker 01

  It's huge.

• 55:41Chris Williamson?

  I don't think that there's another one really to come, or at least I can't see.

• 55:44Speaker 01

  Me neither. And so what year were you born in?

• 55:46Chris Williamson?

  Nineteen eighty-eight.

• 55:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I was born in nineteen, so right in that area, we've lived in both non-phones and phones. I think that's the biggest transition in the history of mankind, really. You know, so I don't, like you said, I don't think the two generations will be so different because now it now it's gonna be like phones to phones.

• 56:07Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 56:07Speaker 01

  You know, it's gonna be smartphones to smartphones.

• 56:09Chris Williamson?

  Your kids, you're gonna be able to teach your kids how to use whatever the technology is. You're gonna have an understanding around the fact that you probably don't need to use it too much. But everyone's mum or dad has said, I can't log into my Amazon account, or can you help me set up online banking?

• 56:22Speaker 01

  They do not, my parents did not have Amazon. They did not. No.

• 56:25Chris Williamson?

  My dad's on my account, so I see all of the stuff that he orders.

• 56:28Speaker 01

  It's like, Dad, I find blow up darts.

• 56:30Chris Williamson?

  No, it's fucking, it's all just DIY kit. It's constant, like, Dad, another drill. What do you need another drill for?

• 56:37Speaker 01

  That's awesome.

• 56:38Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, that's awesome. Good.

• 56:39Speaker 01

  But yeah, the difference is just insane. And I think, I was looking at the curve in technology progression, and it's like, it's on an exponential peak. It's just going insane. And I'm just like, when are we getting singularity? When's that come?

• 56:59Chris Williamson?

  So, fucking hell, don't get me down this rabbit.

• 57:01Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah, right.

• 57:02Chris Williamson?

  It's just, there's a book, there's a book that you can listen to called The Precipice by Toby Ord. And it's the best book on existential risk, which includes misaligned artificial general intelligence that you will ever hear. Get it on Audible. Everyone, if you haven't already, please go and get it. And that, they did a study at a conference of artificial intelligence researchers, and the average time that was presumed for us to hit singularity is fifty years.

• 57:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:35Chris Williamson?

  Like, so it's within our lifetime.

• 57:37Speaker 01

  That's, that's mad. And I'm so glad to say that. I'm like, I can't wait for our robot overlords.

• 57:45Speaker 01

  I'm finding some shit's gonna get done around here.

• 57:48Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, I know.

• 57:48Speaker 01

  Wish they'd show up a bit sooner.

• 57:50Chris Williamson?

  Waiting, waiting for these stupid technology to arrive.

• 57:54Speaker 01

  These humanoids.

• 57:56Chris Williamson?

  What do you think is the biggest difference between American and British YouTubers?

• 58:02Speaker 01

  That's so funny and I'll lump Irish in there as well, even though there's very few Irish YouTubers and it's so funny because Irish are very begrudging that when someone does something different, they're like, "What the fuck do you think you're doing?" You know, so I, when I started, like, so much hate. They're like, "Who's your man think he is in the gym lifting weights? Doing his fucking bicep curls, what?" And I was just like, "Fucking luck, I got fired. I dropped out of college, I can do this too." But so the difference with Irish and British YouTubers, I think American YouTubers are so, "Hey, what's up guys?" You know, so animated. Whereas Irish and British are like a bit more chilled, a bit more homely.

• 58:43Speaker 01

  And so there's like certain appeals to both as well, but Americans are just like Baltics. They're so in your face, you know, it's just so outrageous.

• 58:52Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, they are. It's, I don't know whether they think this about us, but whenever I see Americans on TV, even just Doris in the street.

• 59:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:01Chris Williamson?

  They always sound so media trained. They always come across and I'm like, "That sounds so much cooler than whenever I see like Janice, at sixty-three from Wigan, like talking, giving her thoughts on lockdown as she's taking the, she's taking the terrier to the corner shop.

• 59:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's on the terrier with the bloody red eyes.

• 59:19Chris Williamson?

  This is going out to the world. Like you're an ambassador for this entire nation. What the fuck's going on?

• 59:25Speaker 01

  Well, make an ambassador for Wigan.

• 59:26Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, perhaps.

• 59:27Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, no, it's so funny and do you ever watch, um, it's on, it's a podcast as well, but it's, their Instagram account is so funny, the All Gas No Brakes Podcast. Oh my God, it's so funny. It's just outrageous. Like people are like, "Why Glock?"

• 59:45Speaker 01

  So funny.

• 59:46Chris Williamson?

  That all gas no brakes is something that I need to get into more, but they're so popular.

• 59:51Speaker 01

  It's certainly it's certainly humorous, the way they edit it as well is just hilarious.

• 59:57Chris Williamson?

  As your platform grows, how do you deal with negativity and criticism online?

• 1:00:01Speaker 01

  I I think I actually care a bit less about it as it grows. It just kind of you get kind of used to it like the first time you ever get a mean comment online, you're like, what? Why did you say that to me? How could this be happening? And then like you just get so used to it. And now I find it really funny. Like first of all, I actually get very little hate online. Like half the, you know, if he ever is a negative comment, like sometimes joking, you know, like, and it's just like, you gotta learn to laugh at yourself. I think that's a huge skill to have is is just learning to just laugh along with things and just, yeah, you know, it was pretty funny. And then when you see someone who's like, a curse, like, you wanker, blah, all the every name on your son, you're like,

• 1:00:44Speaker 01

  can't take that seriously. You can't get offended by that. If you get offended by that, you're you're an idiot, you know? And so that's it. You just kind of get used to it and you just understand that some people are bored. And, you know, they just have a bit too much time in their day and just give them a bit of empathy.

• 1:00:58Chris Williamson?

  Their simulation.

• 1:00:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, their simulation, so they've got their simulation on like difficulty setting extreme. And they're like, oh, God, well, I need to rip on Rob Lister for a little bit.

• 1:01:08Chris Williamson?

  I need to start again with a better skin upgrade, like new outfit, blah, blah.

• 1:01:13Speaker 01

  I need to purchase some add-ons in the app store.

• 1:01:18Speaker 01

  So I I really don't mind at all. And funny enough, you you never meet a hater in real life, you know?

• 1:01:24Chris Williamson?

  That's a that's an interesting insight.

• 1:01:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, you never meet a hater in real life. So it's just weird when people have like these anonymous accounts. Do you know what I like about it too? It's like when you're a kid, you do, you have the, I don't know what you call them in in the UK, like in America, they call them a doorbell ditch. An article, a knickknack.

• 1:01:40Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:41Speaker 01

  So you have to go up and ring the door and you run away. It's kind of like that, you know?

• 1:01:45Chris Williamson?

  It's kind of like that.

• 1:01:45Speaker 01

  It's just kids like, or a prank phone call, just leaving a little comment anonymous and running away really. So it's not something to take too seriously at all.

• 1:01:54Chris Williamson?

  What's happening long term? You gonna be a YouTuber at fifty years old? What's the plan?

• 1:01:59Speaker 01

  Well, you know what? Okay, so you you mentioned this before. And it's like, oh, you don't want to be being a YouTuber at fifty. And I was like. Maybe I do, you know, I'm like, I used to think that I was like, okay, I don't wanna, you know, be doing this forever. I'm like, Joe Rogan's fifty two, he's the best YouTuber in the world, pretty much, I'd like on paper. You know, he's killing it, Casey Neistat, Gary Vee, uh, Jordan Peterson is a YouTuber, he has more subscribers than me. He is most definitely a YouTuber, Sam Harris, and then I'm like, oh wait, all the people that I watch most on YouTube are all like in their fifties. So I used to think like, oh man, I can't be doing like, these are the vlogs forever.

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  And in some way that's true, like yo, I won't be my, it'll maybe turn into a podcast or, you know, something like PragerU and that style of video, I love that. But I'll definitely always be online for the long term. And of course, I'm setting up companies along the way, the Pancake Venture.

• 1:02:57Chris Williamson?

  Tell, tell me about that.

• 1:02:58Speaker 01

  So that goes live today at ten P M Dubai time, six P M Ireland, U K time. So basically, I'm always making protein pancakes on my channel, and my first ever viral video over a million views was how to make protein pancakes. And at the time, I'm in, I'm living in like a hostel and I'm trying to start YouTube because yeah, I had no job and I got um, dropped out of college. And so I'm just trying to like make it as like a YouTube, fitness YouTuber, like a personal trainer. And so I'm making a video like how to make perfect protein pancakes from scratch and like ten different ingredients. They're really good and they blow up and you know, so now to this day, it's like a thing with my channel is like, hey, you know, watch this Rob Lipson making protein pancakes.

• 1:03:40Speaker 01

  And so I'm like, I should make my own perfect pancake company, you know, and so it's great, it's been up, the Instagram page has been up forty eight hours. It's got like eleven thousand followers and it goes live today and like, I, I can't wait to see how it does. But I wanna turn that into a household name, like, you know, I, I wanna get that in supermarkets and everyone be starting their day or finishing their day with that, I love breakfast at night.

• 1:04:03Chris Williamson?

  What's special about that, it's the macros?

• 1:04:04Speaker 01

  The macros are, are amazing and I, I'm not saying this, most of the time when you buy like protein pancakes off a supplement company, the, it's like the protein is super high, yes, but it tastes like shit.

• 1:04:16Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 1:04:16Speaker 01

  And then this one, you can't notice the difference, I, it's true, hand my, hand my heart. When I got the first sample, I sent it back and looked at the nutrition and ate them. And I said, oh, they've actually sent us the wrong thing, this is just pancakes, there's no protein in them. I go and send them back to the lab, they obviously just sent us like the wrong mix and they're like, no. That's the nutrition profile. And I'm like, what? I'm like, I need to double check this. And then, and so they just taste amazing with having like insanely good macros, like the protein to carb ratios within a few grams. It's all gluten free as well for people that, you know, are into that. And really all like organic and natural ingredients, like very, very wholesome.

• 1:05:00Speaker 01

  And then they just taste amazing and it's a cool brand, it's called Fuel Cakes. And so I modeled around nineteen fifty cereal boxes. Yeah. So it's really retro. I like the brand. It's really, I didn't wanna make it cell tech nine thousand protein pancakes, fuel cakes, you know, I'm just like, well, I'd have fun with this. It's something that like my sister can, you know, have give to her mates and just something that everyone likes. And so, yeah, I've got big visions for that. I think it's probably gonna be the biggest protein packing company in the world. It's my delusional self, speaking again, but you know, I call me delusional, I'm having a good time. But so that's, that's launching tonight. Why can people go if they wanna get them? At fuelcakes.com. And why do you ship? Worldwide. No way. Yeah, it's shipped out of London, uh, worldwide. So I've got people fulfilling orders for me.

• 1:05:45Speaker 01

  So, yeah, it's a big operation and I'm very confident in it. So I've got that as well and then my online coaching app as well. So, um, that's, that's huge, you know, it updates your tra- I've used a bit of A I as well, actually. So that updates your training nutrition plan every month. I've got loads of people killing it on that. Got my book, I'm sure I'll write another book again in my lifetime. I wanna do like an X rated version, like, so I've pangunder my publishers. And I was like, I gave them the first book and they're like, first of all, why are you swearing in a fitness book? They're like, second of all, this is way too complicated for like someone just to walk in and grab it off a bookshelf. So I had to dumb it down loads. So I wanna make like fitness book, like swearing and very complicated.

• 1:06:32Speaker 01

  So that that's the that's the end worse. But look, to answer the question on on what I'll be doing, will I be on YouTube when I'm fifty? Probably. I'd like, I hope so. I'd like to be.

• 1:06:41Chris Williamson?

  We haven't seen anyone really do that. Obviously YouTube's only been around for an amount of time. So you don't have people that have been on there for forever.

• 1:06:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:48Chris Williamson?

  You have authors who've written books. Richard Dawkins wrote the Selfish Gene in like the nineteen seventies.

• 1:06:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:54Chris Williamson?

  And he's still writing books now. He wrote like a kid's atheist book a couple of years ago. So you can see this trajectory, but it will.

• 1:07:01Speaker 01

  Graham.

• 1:07:01Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, I know. It will be fascinating. Like Santa's not real and neither is God. Like, who knew?

• 1:07:07Speaker 01

  The book you need to read, you little fucker.

• 1:07:11Chris Williamson?

  So, but I am going to be fascinated about what happens with YouTube, you know. Are you going to have people with like a two hundred million sub account?

• 1:07:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:19Chris Williamson?

  Because they've just accrued subs throughout their entire life. Like where's PewDiePie going to be in fifty years' time?

• 1:07:26Speaker 01

  God, and do you know what I find very interesting about if I really like YouTube channel? So do this one, even like when you just find a larger one, like or whatever, go to videos, okay? And instead of like clicking sort most popular or sort newest oldest, sort oldest to newest.

• 1:07:43Chris Williamson?

  Oh, God.

• 1:07:43Speaker 01

  Very interesting.

• 1:07:44Chris Williamson?

  Do not do that on my channel.

• 1:07:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, oh, right. You know what? Oh, please do it on my channel if you want to go laugh. Seriously, like, it's hilarious. But you're going to like Casey McLeod or, you know, Joe Rogan, and you see like they've been uploading for ten to twelve years. Like, I'm like, I didn't know YouTube's even that old. Like, it's crazy. So it'll be interesting if YouTube is around, if we have an old nuke ourselves.

• 1:08:06Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 1:08:06Speaker 01

  If it says like.

• 1:08:08Chris Williamson?

  Well, it doesn't really matter because all that we're doing is working up to our robot overlords.

• 1:08:12Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:08:12Chris Williamson?

  To come in.

• 1:08:13Speaker 01

  The boys.

• 1:08:15Chris Williamson?

  Once they've done it, everything becomes totally pointless in any.

• 1:08:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. But it'll be interesting in twenty years, like it will say like Joe Rogan, whatever, like last first blog thirty five years ago. And do you know what I think is super cool about YouTube as well? Is like you can watch stages in your life in H D.

• 1:08:36Speaker 01

  Like, I, I, I think it's ama-, you know, you may cringe at it, you have some old clips, but I thi- I think it's amazing at the same time. Like, I watched like some trips I went on in two thousand and sixteen, seventeen, and I'm like, I'm so glad I have this on camera, I'm so glad. And I think what's gonna happen is, like, everyone, everyone's on Instagram, everyone, everyone uploads their trips. I think everyone is gonna start being a blogger and uploading like things on YouTube. I think there's gonna be like an app. There already is, but they're gonna be better, an app that like puts all your videos from a trip together and makes it into a vlog. And I think people are gonna upload on YouTube the same way they upload on Instagram.

• 1:09:10Chris Williamson?

  That's probably the reason that YouTube creators, there's so many fewer YouTube creators than there are users.

• 1:09:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:18Chris Williamson?

  Main reason being that the barrier to entry to make a video is significantly higher than it is

• 1:09:22Speaker 01

  Hours.

• 1:09:23Chris Williamson?

  to take a photo

• 1:09:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:24Chris Williamson?

  and just upload it to a platform like Instagram.

• 1:09:26Speaker 01

  Hours.

• 1:09:26Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, so a- actually, that's, that's a perfectly good argument, that if you find a way that you can expedite and make easier and better the content to publishing process.

• 1:09:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:38Chris Williamson?

  Like, it is, you know, you said about, like, I've got to vet my girlfriends to make sure they can use fucking Final Cut Pro and they understand what Creative Commons license.

• 1:09:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:09:47Chris Williamson?

  Like, i- if that's the case, then there's a lot of other people who have that challenge. They're like, right, okay, I have some cool shit that I've filmed, but it just goes on your Facebook or into the Instagram story and it goes away. But no, I never watches that again, it's not evergreen, right? So, yeah, that's, that's, that's a good one, man.

• 1:10:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think, yeah, a lot of people are gonna be, be uploading a lot more like trips and memories to Dead Line and things can be huge. So, yeah, to answer the question, long-winded, I'm gonna be the world's oldest YouTuber.

• 1:10:13Chris Williamson?

  Fantastic, fantastic. There will be one of those, actually, at one point.

• 1:10:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:17Chris Williamson?

  Uh, fuelcakes.com, Rob Lipsa on YouTube, Rob Lipsa on Instagram.

• 1:10:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, and rob lipsa dot com, yeah.

• 1:10:24Chris Williamson?

  Brother, thank you so much for today.

• 1:10:25Speaker 01

  Mate.

• 1:10:26Chris Williamson?

  It's been awesome.

• 1:10:26Speaker 01

  Thank you so much, it was a blast.

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