Studio Launch Party - Indian Fetishes, Betting on Wars & Tom Cruise

Welcome to the new Studio! To celebrate, I put together a new episode style. In this launch episode we explore: - The world’s worst phone call of all time - If the act of self-improvement is problematic - Tom Cruise stops by the new set - and much more… Guests: - Michael Smoak is a podcast host, entrepreneur, and investor. - Shaan Puri is an entrepreneur, former CEO, podcaster and an angel investor. - George Mack is a writer, marketer and entrepreneur. - Get up to $350 off the Eight Sleep Pod 5 at https://eightsleep.com/modernwisdom Get 160+ biomarkers tested for just $1/day, plus an extra $25 off at https://functionhealth.com/modernwisdom Get a Free Sample Pack of LMNT’s most popular flavours with your first purchase at https://drinklmnt.com/modernwisdom Get 35% off your first subscription on the best supplements from Momentous at https://livemomentous.com/modernwisdom Get ChatGPT to explore ideas, solve problems, and learn faster at ⁠⁠⁠https://chatgpt.com⁠⁠ - 0:00 How Nikocado Trolled the Internet 1:51 The Worst Phone Call of All Time 9:04 How Sylvester Stallone Brute Forced Success 11:57 Are GLP-1s Killing Romance? 18:56 Did Novak Djokovic Take Discipline Too Far? 22:23 The Self-Help Trap 25:31 We’re Just Betting On Everything Now 36:29 The World’s Best Tom Cruise Impersonator 42:50 India’s Biggest Fetish 46:36 Why Insecurity Is Actually An Advantage 49:45 Gossip Is More Useful Than You Think 52:47 The Most Important 2 Seconds of Your Life 01:06:16 Have Adults Forgotten How To Play? 01:10:38 When People Take Stoicism Too Far 01:16:48 The Most Uncomfortable Mukbang Ever 01:25:01 2 Beers, 2 Cigs, 2 Rubik’s Cubes World Record 01:31:10 Florida Man Does It Again 01:35:02 Ice Packs In The Sauna - Get access to every episode 10 hours before YouTube by subscribing for free on Spotify - https://spoti.fi/2LSimPn or Apple Podcasts - https://apple.co/2MNqIgw Get my free Reading List of 100 life-changing books here - https://chriswillx.com/books/ Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic here - https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom - Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/

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• 0:00Chris Williamson?

  Hello people, big news. I'm on tour in Australia, but I couldn't wait to share the brand new studio and a brand new episode style with you. There's no rules, no structure, it's just me hanging out and I'm bringing some friends with me.

• 0:25Chris Williamson?

  Enjoy the episode, see ya.

• 0:28Chris Williamson?

  What's that thing, there's a thing that people have where they hate the sound of like...

• 0:31Speaker 01

  Miso-aphonia, I have it real bad.

• 0:34Chris Williamson?

  No way.

• 0:34Speaker 01

  Dude, if I hear you eat cereal next to me, I'll try to break your neck. It's the worst.

• 0:39Shaan Puri?

  Don't all women have this? Excuse me? Or every woman? Every woman I've ever dated has had it.

• 0:44Speaker 01

  Come the fuck again?

• 0:47Chris Williamson?

  I saw this video of some guy that's got one of those big tubes and it makes a...

• 0:54Chris Williamson?

  So that kills you.

• 0:55Speaker 01

  It's worse, dude, like when people do the mukbangs with their microphones, oh, the visceral rage. You know, they're eating into a fucking JBL microphone.

• 1:06Chris Williamson?

  Who was the fucking guy that psy-opped everyone?

• 1:08Shaan Puri?

  That's crazy.

• 1:09Chris Williamson?

  Who was the king mukbanger that psy-opped everyone?

• 1:11Speaker 01

  Oh, Nikado Avocado.

• 1:12Chris Williamson?

  Yes, thank you.

• 1:13Shaan Puri?

  Did he die?

• 1:14Speaker 01

  No, he lost like 200 pounds.

• 1:15Chris Williamson?

  He lost all of the weight.

• 1:16Shaan Puri?

  Oh, really?

• 1:16Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, he was like the inverse Joey Chestnut.

• 1:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, he ballooned.

• 1:20Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:21Speaker 01

  And then came back.

• 1:21Chris Williamson?

  And then undid it.

• 1:22Shaan Puri?

  Wow.

• 1:23Speaker 01

  But he got like peak fat and then had peak views on that one video of like, "Look what happened to my life."

• 1:28Chris Williamson?

  And then fucking did all the reveal.

• 1:31Speaker 01

  But he was losing weight the whole time, so the videos were old. And he was like crashing out and crying and obese and then all of a sudden he just shows up, 200 pounds lighter and he's like, "Hello, I have changed." It was the weirdest fucking video ever.

• 1:42Chris Williamson?

  Really, like heads on the back of your neck, disguised maybe a psychopath stand-up type?

• 1:47Speaker 01

  Like they cloned him or something.

• 1:49Chris Williamson?

  It was crazy. It was fucking wild. All right, what have you got?

• 1:53George Mack?

  Oh, wanna hop straight in?

• 1:54Chris Williamson?

  I do.

• 1:54George Mack?

  Okay.

• 1:55Chris Williamson?

  Show me what you've got.

• 1:56George Mack?

  Let me, I'll tell you, I'll give a story. I'll tell you a story about the worst phone call of all time.

• 2:03Shaan Puri?

  You have my interest.

• 2:04George Mack?

  Okay, so it's picture this, we're gonna go back to nineteen seventies Surrey in England. There's like a beautiful old farmhouse called Old Croft and a musician has just moved in. And he's in a band and they've just had their first like top forty song. So it's at that point of a musician's career where either this is like, we're about to take off, or we had that like one blit on me there. And he's just mortgaged like the most insane house for like his wealth size, like way above his income. Cause he's betting on his future success and he's like, this is the childhood sweetheart dream. He met his wife when they were eleven years old in drama class and they got two kids together. So they've moved into this house together, this beautiful old farmhouse with the two kids.

• 2:49George Mack?

  And like he's managed to get the deal on it, so it's slightly cheaper than he can afford, but it's still way too expensive, but the whole thing needs a whole paint job. It's like the whole building needs a load of different work, kind of like this stuff here, right?

• 3:01Shaan Puri?

  Shots fired.

• 3:02George Mack?

  And so he, he has to go on tour, go try and crack America to see if he can pay for this house. So he's kind of leaving the house, there's painters there that are doing everything up. And he's kind of saying goodbye to his family and as he's saying goodbye, he doesn't know if this is gonna be the last time he sees this house, or if this is gonna be the new family home. So he goes on tour for a year and surprisingly, the tour goes really, really well. So he's basically gonna pay for this mortgage.

• 3:31George Mack?

  And at the end of the tour, he's having a phone call with his wife and it's not going well. And she basically confesses whilst he's been away, she's been having an affair. And like his heart just drops, he's like, who? So he starts thinking of whether it's like a singer or somebody else in the band. The guy she was having the affair with was the painter. He was paying for the house. So he like go, he just loses his mind, he ends up flying back from the tour, tries to win her back. The, not only can he not win her back, she basically says, I'm taking the kids and I'm leaving to Canada. So he sits down the band and he says, well. I think the band's over. I've got to go. There's no remote work. I've got to go and go to fly to Canada and try and put my marriage together. So the band say, hey, we'll just do

• 4:15George Mack?

  a solo hiatus. We'll all go solo and we'll get back together. So he goes to Canada for three months, putting it, putting the marriage back together, flies back three months later. It's completely failed. And the only place he has to stay is he goes back to this old house. And he says, he walks in, and he says, the paint was still wet with the man who cuckolded me. So he got, he can't, so he's just fuming. So he leaves, goes to his favorite restaurant, orders a ravioli, and he's just staring at this ravioli. He's starving because he's not eating days. And this ravioli staring at him, staring back at the ravioli, he just can't eat. He goes back to the house. It's just this old derelict house that he's made all this money and paid for, but his family are no longer there. So he starts drinking, he's calling

• 4:57George Mack?

  her, and she's ignoring his calls in Canada, starts drinking, he's calling her. And finally, he goes, well, I've got to start channeling this thing. So he decides, he looks at the master bedroom that she slept with the guy who was on his payroll whilst he's on tour, and goes, well, you know what? This is going to become my new music studio. So he starts like channeling all the energy that's coming up. And as he's like, in the moment, he gramps the invoice from the painting and decorating company that slept with his wife, and he writes a song on it. Okay. So should I play? I've got it on my phone. I'll play the song. You ready? This is the song that he writes.

• 5:48George Mack?

  You're shitting me. So that's how Phil Collins wrote In the Air Tonight. It's on the invoice of the painter that slept with his wife. And what's interesting, what's fun about- Did you know this story? What's so, what's funny about this, um, this story is, um- Nothing?

• 6:10George Mack?

  Sadist story. We got a banger out of it. But he, well, anyway, so whilst he's in this house, or in this new music studio that he's created, he then is in a fugue state, writes Against All Odds, which goes on to win a Grammy. So he makes that song then, Against All Odds, the next day. What's interesting about the story, the funny part is, what he makes Against All Odds, obviously becomes a smash hit on the radio. And there's a guy in Manchester who's listening to the song on loop because he split up with his partner five years ago, his girlfriend five years ago. So he's listening to this song, thinking about her, sees her at a bus station. And they end up going out on a date, spend all night till 6 a.m. They get back together, within six months are engaged. They have three children, second child was me. So the whole, so the whole thing.

• 7:00Shaan Puri?

  He goes, yeah, yeah, with the toothpick. Yeah, yeah, the second child was me.

• 7:06George Mack?

  So, yeah. So when you, so what's beautiful now, when you re-listen to that Phil Collins.

• 7:10Shaan Puri?

  Wait, are you Phil Collins' son?

• 7:13George Mack?

  No, no, no, no.

• 7:14Shaan Puri?

  Wait, I got lost there for a second.

• 7:15George Mack?

  No, no, no. My dad, my dad basically loved that song when he split up with my mom, basically.

• 7:20Shaan Puri?

  Okay, okay.

• 7:21Chris Williamson?

  I wasn't sorry. That's where you go.

• 7:24George Mack?

  No, no, no, no, no. Boom, dad.

• 7:26Shaan Puri?

  You know which room that was? This room? That room became a podcast studio. Okay, still crazy.

• 7:34George Mack?

  So, yeah. But what's crazy is when you re-listen to that song, I think that song's incredible anyway. It still holds up 50, 60 years later. But when you now re-picture him in that old master bedroom where it all happened. And the lyrics often, when you go back and listen to the lyrics.

• 7:46Shaan Puri?

  Is he saying something that's like direct or coded?

• 7:49George Mack?

  There's a part in there like, if you gave me, if you was drowning, I would not lend a hand. And it talks about you've been smiling or wipe that grin off your face.

• 7:57Shaan Puri?

  Right.

• 7:58George Mack?

  It's all about him falling.

• 7:59Chris Williamson?

  Doesn't sound like a breakup song on First Lesson. But it is.

• 8:04George Mack?

  Yeah.

• 8:04Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, that's crazy, dude. I fucking, it's such a fantastic one. What was it that we found out the other day that Dolly Parton wrote?

• 8:14Chris Williamson?

  Um.

• 8:16Chris Williamson?

  Two of her fucking biggest, Google, what two songs did Dolly Parton? Jolene. Jolene and fucking, like, working nine to five or something in the, in the same day. She wrote them in the same day. Fucking. Oh, wow. Crazy. Wow.

• 8:33Shaan Puri?

  There's a bunch of those examples of these bursts, these bursts where like, I think the Beatles famously did this where they recorded like a fucking album in a day. They did like, they had like this insane burst of their greatest hits in a very short.

• 8:45Chris Williamson?

  About five, what was it? Jolene and I Will Always Love You. Yeah. Wow. In the same day, she mentioned in interviews that she wrote them during the same songwriting session and later joked that was a good writing day. Wow. So nonchalant.

• 8:58Speaker 04

  I, I think Bobby Darin's Splish Splash was written in 20 minutes or something like that.

• 9:04Shaan Puri?

  Have you guys heard the full Rocky story, the Sylvester Stallone Rocky backstory?

• 9:08Chris Williamson?

  No.

• 9:09Shaan Puri?

  Oh, this is insane. You know this one. So Sylvester Stallone wants to be an actor. And, you know, but he's got this like birth defect. So when he was born, I think the doctors, they did something. That's why he has that crooked smile. So he had like a medical, almost like a malpractice issue when he was born that messed up his face, but he wants to be an actor. He's a, talks kind of funny, face is kind of funny. So he's not getting any roles. Keeps going to casting auditions. No role, no role, no role. So he says, all right, if I can't get casted in somebody else's movie, I'll write my own. So he goes to his house and again, like sort of in that fugue state, he basically does two things. He paints all the windows black. And he's like, I'm not leaving this house. I don't even want to know if it's night or day until I finish the script. He hates writing.

• 9:51Shaan Puri?

  So he's like, I just got to do this fast because I hate writing. So in three days, he writes the script for Rocky. And he has, and the story of Rocky, which is like this average guy wants to be a boxer, but it's not really happening for him. This is the sort of him wanting to be an actor, but he just shows boxing because it's more like physical, like knockout punch. It's easier for the audience to understand, but it's his story. And so then he goes and he pitches the script and people are like, actually the script is pretty good. He's like, awesome. And they're like, we'll buy it. It's great. He's like, and I'm Rocky. And they're like, no, no, you're not Rocky. Well, buy the script, but you're not Rocky. And so he has an offer, I think for a million dollars or something like that, which at the time was a lot of money and he turns it down. He ends up taking, I think. Twenty five grand or some ridiculously low amount of money for the script, but he gets to be Rocky.

• 10:35Shaan Puri?

  And he's struggling to make ends meet. He literally, he's like eating like canned beans. He ends up selling his dog because he can't feed his dog. So he's like, his dog was his only companion in the world. He goes, he sells it to a guy and gets like a couple hundred bucks for his dog. And then it's just like, fuck, he's just literally rock bottom. To film Rocky, he basically films the whole movie on like a million dollar budget, handheld camera, no permit, sneaking into things. They film Rocky that way. Okay, Rocky becomes this huge hit. He basically gets this money. He goes and he, first thing he does, he goes back and buys back his dog. The guy doesn't want to sell it to him. He's like, I love this dog. And he ends up paying 25 grand to get his dog back. And then that was basically the, the start of Sylvester Stallone's story was this like

• 11:19Shaan Puri?

  three day bender he had to write the story of Rocky. How insane is that?

• 11:23George Mack?

  Isn't the guy in, in the film as well, right?

• 11:25Shaan Puri?

  And that was part of the deal. It was like, I'll give you 25 grand and you get to be a cameo in the movie. And he's in the movie Rocky, the guy, he's like by the liquor store is the guy who he sold his dog to.

• 11:34Speaker 01

  I didn't know any of that. Fucking shit. I didn't know that Sylvester.

• 11:36Shaan Puri?

  Isn't it better than the actual story of Rocky?

• 11:38Speaker 01

  Was George.

• 11:42Speaker 01

  Sylvester Stallone is George's dad.

• 11:48Speaker 01

  You've got the nose for it.

• 11:52George Mack?

  Haven't got you.

• 11:53Speaker 01

  Well, that's radius.

• 11:54George Mack?

  Haven't got you, you big four arms.

• 11:56Speaker 01

  That's true. So in prep for this episode, when you told me what the, the theme was of Adult Show and Tell, I got on X for the first time in, I don't know, a year. I never use that platform. Goldmine, what the, what the hell?

• 12:09Shaan Puri?

  Are you about to show us Twitter? As the thing you, you brought?

• 12:13Speaker 01

  I found this beautiful new app. It was bought by a prominent billionaire, I think. No, it, I don't know how, but the algorithm was so curated to me despite me not using it because of, I think the one-off articles that my friends send me. And one of the articles he sent me was. I think I think I've got it in there under GLP-1's nuke the ability to love. Have you guys heard about this?

• 12:33Shaan Puri?

  I saw this.

• 12:34Speaker 01

  This is interesting. Do you guys see this?

• 12:35Shaan Puri?

  No, this is great.

• 12:36Speaker 01

  Okay, so we initially thought GLP-1's like Ozempic, trisepotide and retitratide just reduced food cravings. Now we know they work for alcohol, cocaine, gambling and other addictions too. But do you know what runs on exactly the same circuit? Falling in love. GLP-1 receptors sit in the exact same brain regions that light up when you're in love. The insane thing about them is that they don't just suppress appetite. They suppress wanting in general, including romantic craving another person. Something like 60 million people are now on anti-desire drugs. And it happened in the blink of an eye. I predict in the coming years, we will see people on these drugs be less able to fall in love. We will also see them fall out of love or be unable to feel it in relationships that were previously great.

• 13:18Speaker 01

  If your girlfriend or boyfriend started taking GLPs and your relationship started failing, there's a good chance that's why. This sparked, I went back to, what was his name? Can you scroll a bit? Dr. Shin Young, Shin Young Yang.

• 13:31Shaan Puri?

  Dude, the bravery of trying to pronounce that just now on air.

• 13:36Speaker 01

  I think that was for you.

• 13:37Shaan Puri?

  You are the courageous.

• 13:38Chris Williamson?

  Great. It's just a fucking dice roll.

• 13:40Shaan Puri?

  But he said it instantly, you know?

• 13:42Speaker 01

  What is courage but taking action here?

• 13:45Speaker 01

  I think the, this, I went back to his Twitter today to find this. Holy shit, he created a storm in his mentions of people coming after him for this.

• 13:55Shaan Puri?

  Bro, is he AI? Look at this profile picture.

• 13:57Speaker 01

  Oh, perhaps. I didn't look that deep. Why does he have a golden?

• 14:02Shaan Puri?

  Is he dead?

• 14:03Speaker 01

  Interesting. He might be after that tweet because Big Pharma got him. No, I'm kidding.

• 14:06Chris Williamson?

  Running a plastic surgery clinic in Busan, Korea. I bet he is busy as fuck.

• 14:12Chris Williamson?

  Think about how many Koreans get plastic surgery, dude.

• 14:14Shaan Puri?

  I know, it's crazy.

• 14:15Chris Williamson?

  Oh, is he just anti?

• 14:17Speaker 01

  So he's been.

• 14:18Chris Williamson?

  He's very anti GLPs.

• 14:19Speaker 01

  He's been hammering this for days and he said that a bunch of physicians that sell GLPs came after him because they're shareholders and it's all part of the big scheme. But there's basically, I think this is rooted in theory and it makes sense theoretically if it acts on the same dopaminergic pathways. But the very concept of the fact that it doesn't just kill. Your appetite, it just kills your drive in general. It just gives you the dopamine fill.

• 14:41Chris Williamson?

  It works for more stuff than just food, which is pretty interesting. Yeah, seems to work on weed, it seems to work on behavioral addictions, alcoholism, gaming. Yeah, gambling. So the fact that like, what is limerence? What is attraction? You know, it's the same thing. It's this dropping of serotonin, it's massive increase in epinephrine, norepinephrine, dopamine. It's just rush, rush, rush, rush, rush, like a very obsessed crush phase. There's a really interesting thing that's similar to that. Uh, P S S D, post S S R I sexual dysfunction. So when people are on S S R I's, their sex drive can go down. But if you take them for a long enough period, or if you take them, especially during puberty, and increasingly more young people are getting them prescribed when they're young. This can lock in for the rest of time.

• 15:26Chris Williamson?

  You can get genital numbing, that the pathways that just allow you to feel what's going on during sex. They get muted, your drive gets, so there's all of these groups of people who are trying to re ignite, re kickstart, they're, they're probably the ones that are watching the fucking BDSM port. They need to escalate. But yeah, the, between that and hormonal birth control for women, driving down their sex drive and making them choose guys that they wouldn't be attracted to if they weren't on it. And GLPs and S S R I, like it is, the sex recession is just not a surprise at all. It's just not a surprise. Like if you're having sex, you're in the minority.

• 16:01George Mack?

  If, um, uh, Kestama calls you up and says, we're gonna make you, um, chief sex officer. What, what do you do to, um, what do you do to improve the situation?

• 16:11Chris Williamson?

  Uh, well, you can't pull people off S S R I's because some of them need it. And even if they don't need it, they're gonna rebel, so that wouldn't be good. Can't pull people off GLP ones because it's also gonna be pretty bad and maybe they were gonna die soon too. I think coed spaces, dating should be allowed at work. Obviously, there's always gonna be some blast radius of side effects that happen. You're gonna get in trouble because there's gonna be some guy that doesn't take no for an answer and is blowing through boundaries in a wrong way. But I think a, a big part of it is making guys braver. Cause guys were already pretty timid and approaching women now post me too. Everyone's terrified. So trying to re encourage men, I mean, you've heard me do this before, but like,

• 16:54Chris Williamson?

  the me too instruction of men, don't be pushy with women. Only landed with guys that were already nervous with women. The dudes that were blowing through boundaries and really needed to have the Me Too revolution like hit them. They just didn't take any, took no heed of it. These are advice hyper responders, right?

• 17:13George Mack?

  Could you explain that? It's one of my favorite ideas of yours, the advice hyper responder.

• 17:16Chris Williamson?

  So advice doesn't land evenly. It sort of distributes more like alcohol than it does medicine. The people who really need to take it are unchanged. While the people that are already overdosing on it take too much. So think about the advice to just work harder. The lazy person who spends all of their time on the couch, they, they're unchanged. They don't even see it apply to them. Whereas the person who already believes like they're not working hard enough, that pushes them to work even more. Take more responsibility. The, the girl who believes that everything is already her fault decides that she needs to bear even more of the burden and carry bags that aren't hers. When the person who points the finger elsewhere, just again coast past it unchanged.

• 18:00Chris Williamson?

  The instruction for men to open up and be more sensitive. The existing sensitive guys who are already kind of opening their hearts far too much and crying at things that they shouldn't do. They take that as an indication that they're already emotionally insufficient. Whereas the stoic boomer, just, you know, no impact at all. So it's one of the problems with giving blanket coverage advice. It's why on the show and with everything that I write now, I'm so much more hesitant about saying this works for everyone. It's almost always caveated with, if this sounds like it applies to you, it probably does. But then you've got the advice hyper responder thing, which is maybe it just confirms your fears. Maybe it already pushes you in the direction that you were going previously.

• 18:43Chris Williamson?

  So yeah, it's a, it's a difficult world to navigate when there's lots of, what's that Naval line? If you take enough self advice, take enough personal development advice, it all just nets out to zero.

• 18:54Shaan Puri?

  Just for every, every maxim has an equal.

• 18:56George Mack?

  I actually think that's useful in a way because when you have two people that you deeply respect that are completely the opposite, you almost go, you kind of, it's like two things pulling you in that direction. You kind of stay still as a result. Like one of my favorite stories of all time was, um, no, the, it's the greatest tennis match of all time is what it's called. And it's Novak Djokovic versus Rafael Nadal. It goes on for five sets. Um, I think it's about seven and a half hours. There's a rain break in between. Um, I think Nadal takes the lead, Djokovic takes it back, Nadal takes the lead. There's a tie break that's about 70 minutes long. Like one tie break is 70 minutes long. They

• 19:36George Mack?

  finish the game and I think it's 1:40 AM and Djokovic just collapses. And there's a part, there's this amazing part in Djokovic's biography where he's talking about discipline and he's talking about this is what it takes to win. Um, and he's describing how in the aftermath of the game, he sat in the dressing room exhausted and he's not had any sugar because he's been so disciplined and so focused because this is what it takes. He's not had any sugar in, I think it's three years leading up to this. So he allows himself like a tab of chocolate on his tongue and he lets it melt. And he says, I stopped then immediately and I was back preparing for the next tournament. And what I love about this story.

• 20:16Shaan Puri?

  He didn't even chew it.

• 20:17George Mack?

  He didn't even chew it, just let it melt, just let it melt. Because this is, shows you like what it takes, like the discipline. Meanwhile, Australian Open, three years later, Roger Federer wins and he eats ice cream every single night. And it's like, oh, like there's Djokovic, there's Federer, and it's not that either of them were wrong. They kind of just did what worked for them. And that's why I kind of like collecting completely opposite piece of advice. It's, so for example, Stephen King wrote his entire novel or all his work, just raw dogging it. He would just turn up a cup of coffee, stare at a blank screen, make it happen. J K Rowling used a spreadsheet for the whole of Harry Potter. So it's just like

• 20:55Chris Williamson?

  There's a handwritten spreadsheet, I've seen.

• 20:56George Mack?

  Yeah, there's a handwritten spreadsheet. So there's like just different approaches. And when you get to the top of any craft, you'll notice that you'll have it's same with investing, right? Warren Buffett does almost only invest in things he'll understand, reads everything. And who's the guy who does it all via algorithms?

• 21:10Shaan Puri?

  Like Jim Simon, it's like Renaissance Capital.

• 21:12George Mack?

  Everything via algorithms, both billionaires multiple times over. It's really interesting going, oh, now I have to pick my own way.

• 21:19Chris Williamson?

  Well, it's so idiosyncratic, right? Like you don't know, you don't know what it is that's going to work.

• 21:22George Mack?

  The irony is the, the, the way, the one thing that they all have in common often is that they have nothing in common, is that they've kind of done what worked for them. That's the one thing that they actually share.

• 21:33Chris Williamson?

  I think the underlying principle is compliance, that you have to find something that you can comply to. And that is why it's so idiosyncratic. Like it has to be different because if you couldn't comply to it, you're not going to see the results. Like consistency is super important. So if Djokovic had tried Nadal's approach, or Nadal had tried Federer's approach, that wouldn't have worked by design. But wasn't it Djokovic that said, I just like hitting the ball?

• 21:56George Mack?

  Yeah.

• 21:57Chris Williamson?

  That seems like kind of counter to the robotic approach that doesn't seem that fun.

• 22:02George Mack?

  Well, that, my friend Billy has an amazing story about this. The just like hitting the ball one was when he was, he was about to quit. He was like fifth in the world, spoke to his coach and gets into that whole, I just like winning the ball. And then he goes on this tear and becomes number one. But the actual like discipline when it came to his diet was, was specific to him, whereas Federer, ice cream every night.

• 22:23Shaan Puri?

  Well, I had one to show on the advice, self-help advice thing. Did you see the Tim Ferriss blog? He posted, I think today or yesterday.

• 22:31Chris Williamson?

  The Ouroboros of infinity.

• 22:33Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, exactly. So Tim Ferriss, who's like, helped a lot of people and been a, a big distributor and receiver of self-help, basically writes this post, kind of essentially saying,

• 22:46Shaan Puri?

  Got to be careful with self-help and but but in a pretty personal way. I thought it was kind of an amazing post about like, if you go through this loop, the type of person who wants self-help, they want to be happy. And so they try to fix a problem to make themselves happy. But in order to fix the problem, they're constantly searching and trying to fix problems.

• 23:05Speaker 01

  It's got nuts.

• 23:05Shaan Puri?

  Yeah. And so this post is amazing. It's basically just like the the act of self-improvement can lead to that sort of infinite cycle of searching for problems to solve, to improve. And then you just sort of get addicted to the medicine in that way.

• 23:22Chris Williamson?

  How do you solve the infinite problem?

• 23:24Shaan Puri?

  Well, he actually says it in this. Basically, he's like, there's this, like, you need you need both. If you just have radical acceptance of your situation, you go nowhere. And you will ultimately not be happy with your own like, lack of progress in life. But if you only chase progress and never take acceptance to either weaknesses, flaws, imperfections in your life, and just be able to sit with them.

• 23:46Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 23:47Shaan Puri?

  Then you'll constantly be moving and trying to make progress to make yourself happy, but you won't be happy ever. And so.

• 23:52Chris Williamson?

  That's such a scroll up, Jared. That's such a fucking good line. The older I get, the more I think that self-help can be a trap. Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease. I say this after around 20 years of writing self-help and a lifetime of consuming it. Bro, this is the fucking, do you know there's two types of pivots that white podcasters make? Bless you. One is the God pivot. And the other one, the other one is the renunciation of all of your life's work pivot. Yeah, it's the turns out I was over optimizing. The other one is turns out that I just needed to give it all to Jesus. Those are the only two. Pick your direction. Pick your direction, podcast man. That's it.

• 24:28Speaker 01

  I chose the second one.

• 24:31Chris Williamson?

  Hey, I went to a youth thing.

• 24:32Speaker 01

  I heard.

• 24:33Chris Williamson?

  The other night.

• 24:33Speaker 01

  Keegan told me.

• 24:34Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 24:34Speaker 01

  What'd you think?

• 24:35Chris Williamson?

  I was praising, man. I know it was it was it was nice. It's crazy.

• 24:39Shaan Puri?

  What is this?

• 24:40Chris Williamson?

  The.

• 24:41Speaker 01

  He went to a Tuesday night young adult service at a church at Austin Ridge Church.

• 24:45Chris Williamson?

  Young adults and didn't sneak in. Permitted up until age forty, so.

• 24:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, you said, you said I went to the kids thing. I was like, interesting.

• 24:53Chris Williamson?

  Well, I mean, is it wrong?

• 24:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think everyone's our age.

• 24:57Chris Williamson?

  Uh, yeah, I mean, I didn't ask for ID, but.

• 25:00Speaker 01

  Fair.

• 25:01Chris Williamson?

  How old are you again? Twenty three? Correct, I'm thirty five.

• 25:04Speaker 01

  You were right about what you said, by the way. I loved the, I love that line of thought you just brought up about the choosing which works for you in self-development. One of my favorite quotes is from Dr. Stan Efforting. Compliance is the science. It's the same way that people get jacked in the gym doing Mike Minzer's low volume approach. Versus someone going to the gym six days a week and doing twenty sets. If they just don't stop, they're gonna get jacked. The only thing, the only path to success is the one you just don't leave.

• 25:28Chris Williamson?

  Find the one that you enjoy.

• 25:29Speaker 01

  Find the one that you enjoy. So this is interesting. This is another, I'm, I'll never get off X. What if I didn't miss it?

• 25:37Speaker 01

  This is, this is exactly like, must have been how my dad felt when he discovered Facebook reels. And then I was like, why is dad still in the bathroom forty five minutes later? He's, ha, ha, ha. I think it's some bullshit meme. It's so funny. AI banned from answering legal and healthcare questions. This is very interesting. I don't, I don't know what truth or validity that there is to this because this is on X, but breaking, New York bill would ban AI from answering questions related to medicine, law, dentistry, nursing, psychology, social work, engineering, and more. And so there's this narrative of, I wish I had the, I had someone who captured the quote and basically said something where now we've gotten to the point where you can get for free what the experts are charging four hundred dollars an hour for, and suddenly it's restricted and controlled upon.

• 26:22Speaker 01

  I don't know where the breadth and depth of this regulation and this bill will go. But it's an interesting thought that now readily available information is completely free or at most, what, ten dollars a month for, for Claude or ChatGPT?

• 26:36Chris Williamson?

  ChatGPT.

• 26:36Speaker 01

  And now suddenly there's this bill that was like, hold on. And it's someone, someone commented like, WebMD, WebMD's been giving people dog shit advice for twenty five years now, and they didn't ever get banned. Why is this suddenly an issue?

• 26:47Chris Williamson?

  Do you think it's because it's kind of personified? It feels like a person's giving it to you. I mean, you'll have done this before that your AI gets it wrong. And then you start like shouting at it. You try and discipline it. How could you have done that? You're like, okay, I just need to. You never did that with Google.

• 27:01George Mack?

  Right.

• 27:02Chris Williamson?

  You never said to Google, how could you have done this? I think it's because it feels like you're talking to another human.

• 27:07George Mack?

  The first thing now I always recommend is kind of three factor authentication. So I'll never just speak to one L L M. I'll speak to three of them. And I notice if I go via three, the odds of them making mistakes seems to go significantly lower. Going back to that New York thing, it feels like, what are you gonna do? Like, you can't.

• 27:24Shaan Puri?

  How are you gonna control that?

• 27:25George Mack?

  It just, New York are always like crazy for regulation like this that never happens, never passes, or never actually actualizes. Even if they do, immediately people are gonna VPN. We live in the world of the VPN. Like, these regulations just are gonna have absolutely no impact apart from headlines.

• 27:38Shaan Puri?

  There's a billion users using Chat G P T. What are you gonna, it's like fist fighting the wind to be like, no, we're gonna, we say no.

• 27:46Chris Williamson?

  Garden hose to a forest fire.

• 27:48Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, what are you gonna do?

• 27:49George Mack?

  When, when AI first kicked off, there was all the talk about hallucinations and it's definitely gotten a lot better. And like the original line was never like speak to an L L M without first speaking to your doctor or your lawyer. And now my line is like, that's true, but also never.

• 28:02Shaan Puri?

  The reverse.

• 28:02George Mack?

  Yeah, yeah. Never speak to your doctor or your lawyer without first consulting an L L M.

• 28:06Shaan Puri?

  Right.

• 28:06George Mack?

  And the amount of people I know personally that have fixed health conditions, that they've been working for a doctor for 10 to 20 years, that Chat G P T is just one shotted in one is incredible.

• 28:17Chris Williamson?

  You see that, uh, speaking of polymarket, polymarket took down the will and nuclear war breakout this year betting market? Because there was way too much trading volume happening around what's going on in Iran.

• 28:29George Mack?

  Oh, wow.

• 28:30Shaan Puri?

  What is polymarket?

• 28:31George Mack?

  You don't be on X.

• 28:32Shaan Puri?

  He just discovered X. I just discovered X, George. 14 years. Mistily, I'm 68. I don't know. I don't know what polymarket is.

• 28:41Chris Williamson?

  Do you want to describe it, Sean? I don't even know how to fucking say what it is.

• 28:44Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, it's basically a casino for everything. So you can go bet on anything. Dangerous. They call it a prediction market. It's kind of like the A O levers mayonnaise like situation. So it's like, oh, sports betting, not legal. Polymarket betting on a sport event. Legal somehow. And so basically you can go, so you can bet on who's going to become president. You can bet on who's going to win this, this game this weekend, but you can also bet on anything like who's going to win. Or like, you know, will there be a strike? Will this guy be the president in a month? And so you can bet on basically any outcome. And the, the criticism of prediction markets early on was they become assassination markets. Because you create this huge incentive to just say, will this guy be around? And if I want money, it, it ends up becoming a bounty.

• 29:29Speaker 01

  This is becoming a Deadpool.

• 29:30Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, exactly. So that's always been the criticism. And it's like, oh, there's probably have other good things about it. Like, uh, if you want to know the truth about how likely is something to happen? If you go to the New York Times or any, like, any just traditional news outlet. You know, the incentive of the writer is to write a juicy headline and then maybe have, they have their opinion. But Polly market is basically only people with skin in the game betting on an outcome. So if you're wrong consistently, you will lose money. If you're right consistently, you'll have a bigger bankroll on Polly market. So over time, it becomes the closest thing to like accurate predictions.

• 30:02Chris Williamson?

  Did they get the election right in 24?

• 30:04Shaan Puri?

  Yep.

• 30:05Chris Williamson?

  Did they?

• 30:05Speaker 01

  And there's a cash payout for this. Like you're actually gambling.

• 30:08Chris Williamson?

  It's just gambling, but it's gambling with a graph.

• 30:11George Mack?

  It's an exchange.

• 30:12Chris Williamson?

  Which is very important. It's gambling, but there's a graph on it, uh, which makes it look a lot more like a market.

• 30:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:18George Mack?

  What's your kind of take on it? Do you think, how do you think it's going to play out over the next few years?

• 30:22Shaan Puri?

  Unstoppable. Like, I think it's going to be, people love gambling, people love predicting things, people need the information. I mean, it's growing like crazy right now. I don't know if you saw, there's actually a funny story. I think I have it on my sheet, if you don't pull it up, but there was this man and woman apparently getting divorced. This might be fake news AI, by the way. It's like, the story is almost too good to be true, but they're, they're getting divorced. The man worked part-time in a warehouse, but suddenly started driving like a BMW. And the wife was like, Can you, she asked her lawyer, like, can you just, do you have a way to check, like, how could he afford this car? And basically, he did like a forensic audit and subpoena, like, kind of subpoenaed his digital wallets. And they basically found that this guy had made $3 million over the last year with a pretty much 100% hit rate on his polymarket bets.

• 31:07Shaan Puri?

  And what he had realized, and so she was now going to be entitled to 3 million, half of $3 million. But the guy fighting it in the courtroom was like, well, this is not an asset. It's a strategy. I'm running a strategy that's allowing me to win. So the judge was like, okay, what's your strategy? And he basically was like, well, I just realized that the Las Vegas sports books would update. And the market I was betting on wasn't updating fast enough. And so I would just bet the new odds, even if the thing didn't happen. It was gonna always match the like new odds. And so he's like, I was just arbitraging that. And so he had like, they audited his bets and it was just all green, basically. Uh, and so there's a lot of people that have found these little arbitrages, like people are sending people to,

• 31:49Shaan Puri?

  let's say, a sporting event because they can relay what happened faster than the broadcast and faster than the like, the database updates.

• 31:56Chris Williamson?

  This was happening in Asia with soccer matches.

• 31:58Shaan Puri?

  Yeah.

• 31:58Chris Williamson?

  I swear this was happening there and someone was going over and sending it back.

• 32:01Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, it's like, if you ever read Flash Boys, there was like a whole like quant trading thing where if they put your server close to the New York Stock Exchange server, you could get your trade in before the guy who was doing it through a sent, like a normal server and they're like putting fiber through mountains to like shave off pennies off of every trade essentially. Wow.

• 32:19Speaker 01

  So do gambling laws apply then universally to polymarket? When it came out, it's a gambling affiliate, so like, we can't do it in Georgia.

• 32:24Shaan Puri?

  There's basically a loophole. So prediction markets are not considered gambling. They're, they're like commodities contracts. So it's like, it's like betting on the future price of like soybeans. So they're, they're, they're regulated by the same people who do like the commodities markets. And so that's how they've been able to get around this.

• 32:42Chris Williamson?

  Everything.

• 32:43Shaan Puri?

  Everything, world events.

• 32:44Chris Williamson?

  There is, oh, it's so much smaller than world events. Like, what color is the Gatorade going to be that gets dunked over the head of the coach at the Super Bowl?

• 32:56Shaan Puri?

  Anything.

• 32:56Speaker 01

  And we're calling this, it's called polymarket and it's, it's.

• 32:59Chris Williamson?

  Market.

• 33:00Speaker 01

  This is like when someone says, what do you do for work? And they go, I'm a sanitation engineer. He's a fucking trash guy. It's just like, this is the same.

• 33:07Chris Williamson?

  Branding, branding.

• 33:08Speaker 01

  Branding.

• 33:09George Mack?

  Every bit of life essentially becomes insider trading if, if you take it further enough.

• 33:14Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 33:14George Mack?

  Just interesting question.

• 33:15Shaan Puri?

  Like during the halftime show, they were like, oh, is he gonna play this song? Well, guess what? There was like 400 backup dancers. And so it was very, they're getting caught because it's like suddenly this wallet comes out, puts 32 grand on this one obscure market. And it's like, guess what? He was a backup dancer.

• 33:28Chris Williamson?

  Did you see the guy who stood outside of the stadium in the days preceding it? Timing how long the.

• 33:37Shaan Puri?

  National anthem.

• 33:38Chris Williamson?

  National anthem was going to be. And he was like out there with a stopwatch. He videoed it himself with a, because they're rehearsing, rehearsing, rehearsing. And then puts the bet on and wins a fucking shit ton of money because he knew exactly.

• 33:49Shaan Puri?

  And that was legal because he was outside. It was public information.

• 33:53Chris Williamson?

  And he's one of those radio telescope listening device things like tuning in and sure enough.

• 33:59Shaan Puri?

  We need a close up of just his face during this discussion. The whole discussion, we had a picture in picture cam of his face.

• 34:05Chris Williamson?

  Okay, so.

• 34:06Shaan Puri?

  Each of those explanations.

• 34:08Chris Williamson?

  Okay, so polymarket?

• 34:09Shaan Puri?

  Yeah. Did you guys see the, the Super Bowl streaker guy? His, his YouTube channel?

• 34:14Speaker 01

  No.

• 34:15Chris Williamson?

  He put Meta Ray Bans on, right?

• 34:16Shaan Puri?

  He did.

• 34:17Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 34:19Shaan Puri?

  So this guy, this video is incredible. I don't watch many YouTube videos, but I watched all 30 minutes of this video.

• 34:25Chris Williamson?

  Hang on, how many, he's been training.

• 34:27Shaan Puri?

  He's fucking training.

• 34:30Shaan Puri?

  No, no, it's so funny. So, so this guy did it before. And he's like, I'm gonna do it again, 23 days. And this is basically a training montage of like a bank heist. But it's just streaking at the Super Bowl.

• 34:41Chris Williamson?

  Wow.

• 34:41Shaan Puri?

  So he's doing agility drills and he shows pictures of the security cars, which, you know, they look like event security. And he's like, you think they can stop me? As he's doing like a shuttle drill on the.

• 34:49Speaker 01

  This is brilliant. Creating, this is like he's training for the combine.

• 34:52Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, exactly. And so he, and then if you skip forward, he's like on SeatGeek, looking at the like 3D images of which seat is optimal to jump up, like how high is the rail? How, how, how deep is the fall? And then he has a decoy. So he has his friend do it with him. The friend jumps first. Everybody goes to tackle him and then he jumps second and gets a free run. Uh, this is, this is the run. That's the friend. Oh, so. And then he goes second while they're. Oh, no way. The fallen soldier. And then this guy, you think you can stop me?

• 35:23Chris Williamson?

  Shake and bake.

• 35:24Shaan Puri?

  And then he's like, uh-uh.

• 35:25Speaker 01

  In the Metta's get.

• 35:26Shaan Puri?

  This is like Madden, right?

• 35:29Speaker 01

  In the Metta's is so.

• 35:32Shaan Puri?

  He gets taken down by an actual player.

• 35:36Chris Williamson?

  That's unreal.

• 35:37Speaker 01

  What's the penalty for something like that? A ticket? Cause it's a misdemeanor?

• 35:40Shaan Puri?

  No, he goes to jail. So he goes to jail for the night, but he knew that because it happened last year. So he's like, I gotta remember to piss before I gotta eat because I don't want to, you know, like he's like planning for his jail visit. And at the end, he basically respawns like it's GTA because the footage comes back when he's leaving the jail.

• 35:57Shaan Puri?

  And all of this was to promote his like, um, stock tips platform or something, but he got like over a million views on this.

• 36:03Chris Williamson?

  If you could have bet on yourself on polymarket.

• 36:05Shaan Puri?

  He did. He did. Yeah.

• 36:07Chris Williamson?

  He knew what the fine was and then he bet on himself.

• 36:10Shaan Puri?

  Yeah.

• 36:10Chris Williamson?

  And he did it.

• 36:11Speaker 01

  Odds of a streaker at the Super Bowl?

• 36:12Shaan Puri?

  He didn't want to like confirm it, but they're like, pretty sure.

• 36:15Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 36:15Shaan Puri?

  Him and his friends.

• 36:16Speaker 01

  They made a crazy bag off this.

• 36:17Shaan Puri?

  Isn't that crazy? Isn't it like just insane what YouTube will, it's like, show me your incentive. I'll show you your outcome. It's like YouTube is basically like, do the craziest shit.

• 36:26Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 36:26Shaan Puri?

  So then people do exactly the craziest shit.

• 36:28Chris Williamson?

  The fact that he trained for is unreal.

• 36:29Shaan Puri?

  Did you guys see this? You're on X, but you're not on, are you on TikTok?

• 36:33Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 36:33Shaan Puri?

  Okay.

• 36:34Chris Williamson?

  He is TikTok.

• 36:35Shaan Puri?

  There is a TikTok that I thought was just so super funny. It's Tom Cruise. There's this Tom Cruise impersonator. And what happens is this guy invites him over to his house. He basically hires the Tom Cruise impersonator, but not for a party or a corporate event. Just come over to my living room. And so I don't know. Have you guys seen this?

• 36:52Speaker 01

  He's, yes.

• 36:53Chris Williamson?

  Put the sound on because the voice is amazing.

• 36:55Speaker 01

  This is so good.

• 36:56Shaan Puri?

  Hey, what's up?

• 36:59Shaan Puri?

  The pocket team. Yeah, I guess just like whatever. So it's super awkward, right? Woo.

• 37:10Shaan Puri?

  Wing there for like.

• 37:12Speaker 05

  Oh, what's that?

• 37:14Speaker 01

  Tom, Tom.

• 37:15Speaker 05

  Hey.

• 37:15Speaker 01

  Good to see you.

• 37:15Speaker 05

  Hey, my doctor's blog. You don't know what it's like to be out here for you is that up at dawn, try swallowing seeds that I could never fully tell you about. Just help me, help you, help me, help you. What are we talking about here?

• 37:28Chris Williamson?

  What have you done?

• 37:29Speaker 01

  Tom.

• 37:30Speaker 05

  Have you got a seat here?

• 37:31Speaker 01

  Just a seat for me? We had the best day of my life.

• 37:34Speaker 05

  Just gonna keep you out getting better.

• 37:35Speaker 01

  It's an honor to meet you.

• 37:36Speaker 05

  Good to keep him down.

• 37:38Chris Williamson?

  Good to see you, Doc.

• 37:42Speaker 01

  What are we talking about?

• 37:42Chris Williamson?

  Still, what are you working on, Tom?

• 37:44Speaker 05

  Deep learning. What do we? I'm working on a ton of things, a lot of stuff, you know. You're applying inverted, you know, buzzing the tower, all that stuff.

• 37:53Speaker 05

  Just really happy to be here.

• 37:54Speaker 01

  You ever had a new tonic?

• 37:56Speaker 05

  I gotta, I gotta read the ingredients first. Yeah, I like all these things. Yeah.

• 37:59Speaker 01

  Did you put ketamine in this new tonic?

• 38:01Speaker 05

  Roly-ol.

• 38:02Speaker 01

  Am I in a K-hole right now?

• 38:04Speaker 05

  I studied Roly-ol. Alfie, one of my favorites.

• 38:07Chris Williamson?

  How's the church?

• 38:08Speaker 05

  Church is good. Church is good. Really giving me everything I need. Oh, shoot. That happens sometimes.

• 38:20Speaker 05

  I'm just composed myself. So how's everyone doing? What, are we going down?

• 38:23Chris Williamson?

  So much better than I was five minutes ago. I can't believe.

• 38:26Speaker 01

  How far down the rabbit hole have we gone?

• 38:28Speaker 05

  Let's go deep, okay? How far, where are we gonna go?

• 38:30Chris Williamson?

  I feel, I feel like I'm in a fucking fever dream. I feel like I'm in a fever dream.

• 38:34Speaker 05

  Anything I feel.

• 38:34Chris Williamson?

  By the way, if you'd been a mass shooter, we would have all been dead. I have no effective capabilities at all.

• 38:39Speaker 05

  You know, you didn't even, yeah, it's all sneaky.

• 38:41Speaker 01

  Holy shit. You just hide the security in this place. How did he get in here?

• 38:45Speaker 05

  Have you, have you? Any questions for me?

• 38:47Chris Williamson?

  Have you ever met the actual Tom?

• 38:48Speaker 05

  I did, yeah. Met him, yeah.

• 38:49Chris Williamson?

  How was that?

• 38:50Speaker 05

  Tom Marmon. It was very exciting.

• 38:51Speaker 01

  He was going away.

• 38:52Speaker 05

  Well, you know, it was, it was two in the morning. I was with some friends having drinks and he was having dinner with like a big group of people. And I wanted to buy him a bottle of champagne as like a way to commemorate after impersonating him for 10 years at the time. Just, you know, meeting him for the first time. And the waiter shot me down, said, said, have you been to the Chateau Marmon, anyone? No, I haven't been in LA. Iconic, iconic landmark hotel. But now it's like a different, different kind of place, like a special, like solo ass kind of membership club. But tried to buy him a bottle of champagne. The waiter shot me down, said, you'll be banned and I'm gonna be fired. So I just couldn't approach Tom Cruise. But my girlfriend at the time said, there's no way in hell you're leaving here tonight without meeting him. So she was really adamant about it. So he leaves, two in the morning.

• 39:37Speaker 05

  I'm having a drink with my friend, getting more progressively more drunk, right? And everyone's gone. It's just Jimmy, my friend Jimmy, myself and Donna in the garden of the chateau. It's a restaurant. And she ends up leaving to go to the bathroom. And Jimmy gets a phone call from Donna saying, Tom Cruise is waiting for me in the valet area. Like literally waiting for me. I couldn't believe it. So I get up out of my chair. I sprint through the whole lobby and the whole hotel. And I get there and he's there with Jeremy Renner about to get on his motorcycle at two in the morning. And we had this really nice moment. We shook each other, you know, it's an honor, a privilege to meet you. You completely shook each other. He's very handsy. Close talker, he's handsy, you know. Yeah.

• 40:17Speaker 05

  Well, it was very exciting. I didn't go to sleep that night. It was definitely a wonderful experience. Yeah.

• 40:23Shaan Puri?

  Tom, we appreciate you being a special guest.

• 40:24Speaker 05

  Oh, absolutely. I've overstayed my welcome. Wow. I'm gonna back off. If you need anything from me, just let me know, you know? If you need to learn about, you know, logic and reasoning, I'm here for you, okay?

• 40:33Shaan Puri?

  What a pleasure. I love him too.

• 40:36Speaker 05

  Hey.

• 40:36Shaan Puri?

  Watch out.

• 40:36Speaker 05

  Beach volleyball tomorrow at 8 a.m.

• 40:40Speaker 05

  He's down. He's even right high.

• 40:47Chris Williamson?

  Bad fucking play. I gotta get the clothes off the crying.

• 40:51Shaan Puri?

  Where do we go from here?

• 40:56Chris Williamson?

  How do you think audio listeners feel?

• 41:00Shaan Puri?

  The big question. The big question.

• 41:02Chris Williamson?

  Get a studio, they said. It won't drive you insane, they said.

• 41:07Shaan Puri?

  The mass shooter line is spot on.

• 41:08Chris Williamson?

  Had to do something special. Completely, if that guy had had a sidearm, everybody in here was dead.

• 41:13Shaan Puri?

  Three seconds after the door opened.

• 41:14Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, he moves fast, say.

• 41:16Shaan Puri?

  Damn. I was telling the guys, I was like, I was like, I want to do this. I think it would be fun. Just do something different. And they were like, like, you know, we don't want to throw Chris off his vibe for the first episode. I was like, I don't know. I think I'm gonna do it. Think we're gonna do it anyway.

• 41:26Chris Williamson?

  I think that's part of the vibe. Holy fucking shit. We're like, it might work, but just don't touch Chris. And he went straight for the handshake. I was like, oh, fuck.

• 41:33Chris Williamson?

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• 42:18Chris Williamson?

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• 42:59Chris Williamson?

  Same as transition.

• 43:02Chris Williamson?

  Seth Stephens-Davidowitz, ex-data scientist at Google, wrote a very famous book called Everybody Lies. Analyzed Google autocomplete search frequency data for phrases beginning with "my husband wants." Across the world, queries are relatively common. "My husband wants sex all the time." "My husband wants a divorce." "My husband wants a threesome." I searched earlier on today. "My husband wants a gaycation," for some reason, turned up quite high. But in India, in India, the most common completion was "my husband wants me to breastfeed him."

• 43:40Chris Williamson?

  This pattern appeared far more frequently in India than any other country. In India, searches about breastfeeding a husband appear roughly as often as searches about breastfeeding a baby.

• 43:51George Mack?

  Wow. Before you make a comment, Sean, bring her through.

• 43:59Shaan Puri?

  I think the.

• 44:05Speaker 01

  You can play this game.

• 44:08Chris Williamson?

  Barney, come on down.

• 44:10Shaan Puri?

  I think the most shocking part about that was after you relayed that bomb drop of a statistic. I look at Sean and he goes, yeah.

• 44:18Chris Williamson?

  Of course. It makes a lot of sense.

• 44:20Shaan Puri?

  And the sky is blue.

• 44:21Chris Williamson?

  So if you look at a map, Pornhub released all of that. They've got a good data science team, which you might not expect, actually, but Pornhub have got a great data science team. If you look at the most popular types of porn across the world, varies country to country. The absolute outlier is India with breastfeeding porn. And I'm fascinated to work out why. I think maybe it's something to do with the sort of overbearing mother thing, redemption arc, some fucking Freudian shit going on. Or something to do with cows and milk.

• 44:51Shaan Puri?

  Sacred.

• 44:52Chris Williamson?

  I don't know.

• 44:52Shaan Puri?

  Yeah. I like how you're like, explain your people's behaviors.

• 44:56Chris Williamson?

  Correct, that's it, that's it. You speak for a billion Indians.

• 45:00Shaan Puri?

  Well, I think it's basically our version of the stepsister genre, right? Like, that's basically the, I think in America, it's like, it could be a man and woman hooking up, but what if she was his stepsister or stepmom? It's like, there's always like a step, whatever. In India, we don't really get divorced, so there's not really a step. There's not really a step thing. So you just go straight to the mom. That's my explanation.

• 45:20Speaker 01

  Straight to the source.

• 45:21Chris Williamson?

  Right. It's the closest thing that you can get to acceptable.

• 45:24Shaan Puri?

  Isn't there like the Freudian thing, like you, you know, there's like desire for the mom or whatever?

• 45:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:30Chris Williamson?

  Speak for yourself, Sean.

• 45:32Speaker 01

  Not that I, not that I have the experience, but in early childhood, the Freudian thing is that there's like, that's your first attraction.

• 45:38Shaan Puri?

  I was reading, I'm reading the Elon biography and they were talking about, because Elon's had pretty like terrible choice in women, or at least like for himself, like the relationships have not worked out.

• 45:46Chris Williamson?

  Quite a big sample size. He's the common denominator.

• 45:49Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, fair enough. But like, he was with Amber Heard and it was like a pretty toxic relationship, but they stayed together. They got back together. He was with, he was with, I think, Tallulah Riley. They got married and he proposed in seven days. And then they got married, divorced. At the divorce proceeding, they start making out and tell the judge they don't, they're gonna do, go, go ahead with the divorce, but then they move back in together. So he's done some like questionable things and his one, uh, one of his wives basically said like, he's attracted to like the abuse because his father was so abusive. And it's basically like he, there's something about like love and the intensity of a toxic abusive relationship that like fuse somewhere in his body. So when he meets a woman who's intense and they get into like a toxic relationship, like he has that anchor to love somehow parental

• 46:34Shaan Puri?

  love in some weird way. So I was like.

• 46:35Chris Williamson?

  I found out some interesting stuff this week about uh insecure attachment. So uh avoidant attachment, fearful avoidant and anxious attachment. There's different types of attachment styles and about 50% of the population are securely attached. Uh about 20% are anxiously attached, about 20, uh 20% are avoidant attached, sorry. 5% are fearful avoidant, which is both. About 25% are anxious avoidant. What we think is most people that have an insecure attachment style, they're not happy with it. They want to change it. They, they would much sooner not be pushing people away that they want to get close to or worried that someone's going to leave them that maybe they feel like they're overreacting to their absence too much. Uh, so I was interested

• 47:17Chris Williamson?

  to work out what the evolutionary advantages are that are conferred on people by being anxious or avoidant. And you think, well, there, there have to be some anxiously attached people, they have much keener sense of paying attention to small differences, changes in the moments, changes in environment. And there was a great study done where they brought people into a setting and they'd already done an attachment style quiz prior. So they understood the different attachment styles in the room. And then a computer would slowly blow a little bit of smoke out as if there was a fire that might be about to start. What's fascinating is the anxiously attached people were the ones who noticed the smoke first, but the avoidantly

• 48:00Chris Williamson?

  attached people were the first ones out the door. Every single time. And the argument here is that the anxiously attached people are able to pay attention to small changes. They're the ones that will be scrutinizing. They're hypervigilant for stuff, but they'll think, should we, do we leave that target? Like, do we think it's getting closer? Is it the avoidant people are like, I'm fucking out of here. And everybody then follows after them. So one of the cool things that the avoidantly attached people have is a competitive advantage. They work better on their own. They're decisive, but they're really good at being in calamity because they're able to actually partition a bit of their brain off. So if you were an EMT, if you were dealing with some horrendous car accident, some car wreck, and you just need to get the job done,

• 48:44Chris Williamson?

  you almost need to sort of put one bit of your brain off to a side. You need to be okay, compassionate. Like, it's not, it's not time for you now. Whereas a more anxiously attached person would struggle somewhat more to do that. And I think what's cool about it is we don't ever, we tend to not look so much at the advantages conferred by stuff that we feel are shortcomings. And this is a really good example here of, sure, maybe you wish that you weren't worried that your partner's going to leave you all the time, but this is why you're amazing at marketing copy or at paying attention to, to brand. Or, for instance, if you were a police unit, you would want the SWAT guys to be avoidant and the detectives to be anxious. And it's just, I think it's really interesting to

• 49:26Chris Williamson?

  think about how different psychological makeups give you both benefits and costs. And that's a cool study about it.

• 49:34Shaan Puri?

  I like that. The secure ones just stay, stay and burn.

• 49:37Chris Williamson?

  The secure people are the worst. Secure people by far are the way, they've got the best relationships, but they're the ones that don't notice the thing and would be burned alive. Yeah.

• 49:45Shaan Puri?

  It's like a gossip, right? Like gossip is seen as a negative thing to do. Wow, that's like, that's a, that's a trait you should try to get rid of. It's like, well, why does, why did gossip survive evolutionarily? It's well, it's actually incredibly important. I can't vet 150 different people in a new tribe. So we need gossip to quickly spread about each person's reputation for me to like survive in any large group. So gossip is actually incredibly important if you're going to be in any sort of social tribe. But it's seen as this like really negative behavior that you should stop doing. You know what I mean?

• 50:14Chris Williamson?

  You know what venting is? So it's somebody that is able to couch gossip under concern for another person. So there's an effect in psychology called the bless her heart effect. And it really only happens among women, not so much among, among men. So they brought women into a lab and they had a confederate, as they're called. So that the person that's a part of the study come in, although they didn't know it. Two versions. First version, the woman is dressed very provocatively and looks sort of well put together, like quite sexy. In the second version, she looks like a mess, like not a sexual rival at all. So how much of a sexual rival is this particular woman? That's what they were controlling for. And in both versions, this woman comes in and says, I slept with two guys last night and I don't really know what's going on. And like, I'm not really too sure about this thing.

• 50:59Chris Williamson?

  And then later on, she would leave the room. And what you find is that the woman that she said it to, if she was dressed provocatively, more likely says, tells somebody else. They gossip about what's going on, but the type of gossip is what calls, they called it the bless her heart effect. The type of gossip is couched under concern. So George, I'm just so worried. I'm really, really worried about Christina. She's just sleeping with all of these guys and I'm so worried that she's going to get hurt. And the reason that you do that is that if anybody ever pulls you up on it, it's like, well, look Christina, I was just like, I, I, I'm sorry. I'm just worried about you.

• 51:33Shaan Puri?

  I was looking out for you.

• 51:33Chris Williamson?

  I'm just so worried about you. And implicitly it says, me? Right. I would never. Right. No, I wouldn't, that, I could never, that would never be what I would do. Also, I'm pro-social, look at how much I'm looking out for. But also she slept with two fucking guys last night, by the way. And, uh, yeah, it's just the bless her heart effect gossip thing is, is pretty fucking.

• 51:52Shaan Puri?

  And what do they say about the other woman?

• 51:54Chris Williamson?

  They were less likely to say.

• 51:55Shaan Puri?

  It's shared at all.

• 51:56Chris Williamson?

  They were less likely, yeah, because she looked like she was down on her luck. She didn't look like a sexual rival.

• 51:59Shaan Puri?

  Right, right.

• 52:00Chris Williamson?

  It's a enforcement mechanism for, um, intra-sexual competition among women.

• 52:07Chris Williamson?

  That's the way it works.

• 52:07Speaker 01

  Didn't you have a lady on recently, you had a discussion about malicious nature within females?

• 52:12Chris Williamson?

  A full two hours of it, yeah, Dani Solikowski, she's a beast, but um, the fact that the internet hasn't got angry at that episode just shows how much female privilege there is.

• 52:23Speaker 01

  Well.

• 52:23Chris Williamson?

  She can say all of that. Everyone goes there and finds all of the problems with it. Yeah, it was uh, it's fascinating, dude. It's like endless.

• 52:30Speaker 01

  This is just a big promotion and masterclass on how to hang on to all your traumas and actually don't change? No, stay avoided, stay anxious. Life's better this way. Don't do the work.

• 52:38Chris Williamson?

  What if a computer gets set on fire? It's very important.

• 52:41Speaker 01

  You need to hang on to that thing that made you not have committed relationships so you don't die in a fire.

• 52:45Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 52:45Speaker 01

  Of course, naturally.

• 52:47George Mack?

  Time has flown by during this podcast, which brings me on to my point about time.

• 52:52Speaker 01

  The king of transitions. Amazing segue. Phil Collins' grandson is just on it right now.

• 52:58Chris Williamson?

  Sylvester Stallone's stepson.

• 53:00Speaker 01

  You're so perceptive of the environment, are you anxiously attached?

• 53:03George Mack?

  There needs to be an award for um, worst transition. So there's a guy called Albert Hine in around about the 1880s. And he is a geologist who's climbing up a mountain. And he falls 60 feet, right? So from the laws of physics, a 60 feet fall is one, two, boom, and you're dead. So he, but now he recalls what his experience was like, a folic. So he falls and he immediately thinks as he's falling down, um, he thinks, should I take my glasses off? Or should I keep them on? Should I drop my cane or should I uh, basically cry for help? And he goes, oh, because I wonder what it's going to be like when people realize that I'm on this trip, that I'm dead.

• 53:46George Mack?

  Should I let them know like this is happening? Then he starts thinking about the lecture he's going to give next week and how um, they're going to all be there and go, oh, he's dead. Then his entire life flashes before his eyes. Two seconds. And he kind of, what would be interesting about this story, you'd immediately go, well, this is quackery. This is like him potentially making this thing up post hoc. But he then spent his entire life like chatting to other people that have had this experience of falling off things from builders to different climbers. And lots of them mirror the exact same thing, that just as you're about to die, your dilation of time slows down so much. It's one big thing I've been writing about of late around, um, how do we go about slowing

• 54:26George Mack?

  down the speed of time or changing, um, time? And if you could find it on my, um, Twitter, Jared, if you search George McJanet's law about how time compresses with age, and it's kind of this idea that you've experienced, according to this theory, which I don't think's necessarily true, but according to this theory, you've lived half of your life by around about the age of 20. Experientially. Experientially, um, particularly because children, the reason why time feels so slow as a child is everything is new. So that's one of the arguments of how you slow down time is, for example, also been here, time has slowed down, um, to some extent because we've been doing something new or you're in a new environment. But by the time you've been doing it 300 times, things go so much faster. But I'm interested, I don't know if you guys have actually thought through of like, how as you get older, do you go

• 55:11George Mack?

  about slowing down time and not just waking up 85? Yeah. Ah shit, everything went, what do you do?

• 55:18Chris Williamson?

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• 56:46Speaker 01

  I mean, this sounds incredibly rudimentary and it's such a cliche take, but I think it's cliche because it's true. Yeah, there's a reason that cliches exist is I think things feel slower when you make an intention to over romanticize them. Like how, one of the things I heard a friend say is, is how good can it get? How good God can it get? Like the cup of coffee, how damn good is this cup of coffee? And it forces you into the present over something seemingly miniscule. But if that coffee was bad, you'd notice it, right? Cause you want a decent cup of coffee and then if it's horrendous, you get pissed off. So why not notice, wow, this is the perfect temperature. It's just bitter enough, but a little sweet. And then you look up and you go, wow, and the sun's out this morning and it feels warm. And I find that when I bring perceptive or a sensory experience into the present moment

• 57:32Speaker 01

  and just romanticize your life as the cliche would call, everything feels more novel. Yes. We were having cheeseburgers the other night and I'm just like, how fun is this? You know, we got to watch, I got to watch my friend work out materially so excited about, and now we're eating a damn good cheeseburger. How good can it get?

• 57:47George Mack?

  So, so my, that literally what I wrote about was three things. So like the, the original story that's part of it is it comes at it from a different angle, but it's essentially this boy called Henry, which I think I told on the Christmas show, but just for people who haven't heard it before. Henry is like five years old. He's playing outside on the streets of Connecticut and a cyclist doesn't see him, clatters into Henry, knocks him unconscious. And his life becomes a bit strange. He starts having seizures, but by the age of 27, he's having 20 seizures per day.

• 58:16George Mack?

  And he's desperate to fix it. He's trying everything that he can. This is during like peak experimental brain surgery. So he goes forward volunteers and wakes up and he basically gets delivered some good news, some bad news, some awful news by life. So the good news is that the surgery's largely fixed his epilepsy. The bad news is that he won't remember the good news because of the awful news. And the awful news is that he's destroyed his ability to form new memories. So Henry lives from the age of twenty seven to eighty two. The same day, I say, because he only can remember things in two minutes increments and then it disappears. So he meets his psychiatrist for the first time every day. But the most disturbing thing about Henry was he would look in the mirror each day. And be confused why the reflection looks so old.

• 58:58George Mack?

  Because he's just forgotten everything. Always thought he was twenty seven, but now I'm sixty five, but now I'm seventy two.

• 59:02Shaan Puri?

  He had some long term memories, like he was anchored at a certain time.

• 59:05George Mack?

  Exactly before twenty seven. So it basically begs the question, you have like all the Brian Johnsons of the world, which I think are great, like the longevity people. But very few people talk about time longevity because in theory Henry lived a long life. He lived till eighty two. Or did he die at twenty seven? And it's such an important part of memory. And the three, the three things that I concluded when I was looking at the research for it. There's a great book called Time Expansion Dilution, I believe. That goes into this more in depth, but number one is novel experiences. So doing new things. Number two is around a sky. Both two and three are kind of what you said, rolled into two different things. So two is like trying to create stories. So what's interesting is you don't remember your social media feed from yesterday.

• 59:49George Mack?

  You can barely remember a tweet from yesterday, despite the fact you scrolled past so many novel things. But you can remember a movie from two years ago. Because we like character arcs, we like purpose, we like emotion, we like a buildup. So thinking about your kind of day or life into a story, like what would the hero do next? And then the third one was very closely tied to what you said to, which is like this Japanese concept, which I'm going to butcher, but called like Ichigo Ichii. Which is essentially this idea that every moment, even if it is a recurring moment, because you're not going to be able to novel max every single day. But even right now, we're all this exact age that we are in the studio for the first time. So whenever you look for the specific details, exactly like you did there, time itself does begin to slow down.

• 1:00:33Shaan Puri?

  It's amazing.

• 1:00:34Chris Williamson?

  The novelty thing is such a huge part. I mean, I wrote about this seven years ago badly. And then again, 18 months ago, slightly better. And the two things, novelty and intensity were what I sort of landed on. And you're right, it is really, really important that people don't want to miss their lives. You know, objectively arrive, but subjectively not feel it.

• 1:00:53Shaan Puri?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:53Chris Williamson?

  And this thing, this sort of sense of stuff rushing past. I think it's something that's particularly felt by people that are optimizers. Because by virtue of optimizing, you find what works and then you rinse and repeat it. That's what routine is. And the problem with that is it actually compresses time together. My best, my favorite example of this is your drive to work.

• 1:01:12Shaan Puri?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:13Chris Williamson?

  Your drive to work is something that you've done 500, 1,000, 2,000 times throughout your life. Throughout that one job, that one office. Can you tell me anything unique about that drive? It's compressed into basically a single memory. Except for that one day when it was icy and the car skidded backward. Well, what's that? That's novelty and intensity. And it's also called the holiday effect. Why is it that holidays seem to stretch out? I think about this trip I took to Africa. Nearly a decade ago with an ex-girlfriend. And I can remember the squeak of the leather shoes of the porter and the ornithology book, this weathered ornithology book that he was carrying. And the steps down, the steps were rickety and he, the bellboy, offered to carry my bag, but I felt bad, so I took.

• 1:01:57Chris Williamson?

  I can't remember the fucking 16 digit number on the front of my credit card that I've had for fucking three years. Why? Well, because novelty and intensity. And the more that I think people can just try and ratchet that into their lives.

• 1:02:09Shaan Puri?

  Right.

• 1:02:10Chris Williamson?

  And it's strange because if you have too much novelty, you end up with chaos. And you don't actually gain any of the benefits of consistency and reliability. Yeah, there's no compounding because the environment changes so quickly that you can't get any in there.

• 1:02:22Shaan Puri?

  Right.

• 1:02:22Chris Williamson?

  But yeah, that you've hit on something I think is super important.

• 1:02:26Shaan Puri?

  Well, it's cool because like, who lives it? Because you know, I see all this advice, right? Whether it's on X or it's in podcasts and it's like, you know, here's a study or here's a, here's a quote I love, but.

• 1:02:39Shaan Puri?

  It's like, okay, what are you, are you doing this? How are you, are you doing that? What do you do? Like, I like your burger example. And then if you could find somebody in your life that actually lives that way, it's like a game shooter because it's super contagious. Once you just notice the delta, like if I sit next to you and I notice that you sit differently or that you eat differently when we go and order, it's very apparent to me when my peers do something different than me. And so for me, like my, my trainer is a guy who basically is like, imagine never having listened to any of the podcasts, self-help at all, but you just did all those things. That's basically him. This guy's like, I've, I've seen him probably five days a week for the last five years. And it shows. And also he, I've never seen him have a bad day, like not even like in a bad mood. I could be late. He can get in a fender bender.

• 1:03:24Shaan Puri?

  Never, never seen this guy rocked. And so that's kind of like seeing a billionaire, but for mood. It's like, what? I don't know what that is, but that's incredible. You have a lot of good mood. How do you do this shit? And he tells me, uh, cause I've noticed, like, what does he do differently? He's always playing little mind games, little mini games. So I've, I've told the story once before on our podcast, but people have come up to me like years later, mentioning like, I love that story about your trainer. And it's this DMV story. I don't know if I, I've never told you, but he had to go to the DMV. So he comes to my house and he's like, he's like, dude, um, he's like, today's the day. I'm like, what's, what's today? And he goes, I've been driving for the last two years with a expired license. And it's been this low underlying anxiety every time I drive of what if I get pulled over? I've got this expired license. And he's like, I've just been avoiding going to the DMV. Cause DMV is terrible.

• 1:04:09Shaan Puri?

  He goes, so today I did something different. Basically he went on Yelp and he went to go look, where is the DMV? And it, you know, it has like, Google has like star ratings or Yelp has like ratings. So DMV is basically like the lowest rated venue on Yelp. And so it was like one and a half stars. And he goes, how do I have a five star DMV experience? So he just asked himself a new question, creates a game out of it. And so he's like, okay, he's like, I can't go there and expect them to give me five star hospitality. He's like, I'm going to go as a five star customer. So he just changes mindset. He's like, I will go as a five star customer and I think I'll have a five star experience. So he goes, he parks, he walks in with a little pep in his step. He holds the door. He's not trying to run. Russian line. He's like, you guys all go. Yeah, yeah, go. I'll be behind you.

• 1:04:52Shaan Puri?

  And one of the women that he let in, actually, she was working there. She was just doing a shift change. He's joking around with her, sort of flirting with her on the way in. Um, this sort of like big old lady at the DMV. And so she's like, what are you here for, honey? And he's like, I gotta get my license. I've been driving without it, you know, expired for two years and like today's the day. It's gonna be amazing when I get this license. I'm gonna feel so good. And she goes, you know what? Come with me. Takes him, front of the line, gets him the thing. He's supposed to do a driving test. She just signs off on it, gets him his license. He ends up having this five star experience at the DMV. Which was kind of like running the four minute mile or something. It's like this, like, if you can have a great experience at the DMV, you can have a great experience in any condition, right? Like, I don't need to achieve X to have great experience.

• 1:05:33Shaan Puri?

  And so his five star DMV has stuck with me because now you can play that game, pretty much any, I'm going through TSA right now. How do I, like, how do I have five star? What if I was James Bond and how I kind of smoothly went through this versus just dragging ass like I normally do? And I, I found that that's like novelty without being like, today I need to go on this new hike, new vacation, new thing, because that's hard to do and most people can't do it. What I like is he brought the novelty into like the everyday. And you become sort of invincible when you do that.

• 1:06:02Chris Williamson?

  He romanticized his DMV experience.

• 1:06:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's exactly what he did.

• 1:06:05Chris Williamson?

  Which is different to you who tries to romance your DMV experience.

• 1:06:09Speaker 01

  Yes, I hit on the lady who's giving me the license and it works every scene. My man, come on now. You know what? That's a beautiful, to, to make it practical, that is a beautiful example of something you alluded to earlier. Which I think some is a summation of what you so beautifully wrote about, which is being childlike. In the Bible, God calls us multiple times to have childlike faith, to be like children in everything that we do. And somewhere along the way, we grow up. And we start taking everything so seriously. And to say, you said earlier, you said, you know, just wait when you have a kid and everything's novel, you can spin this. And they're like, whoa. Yeah, because everything is.

• 1:06:44Shaan Puri?

  That was Disneyland right there.

• 1:06:45Speaker 01

  Exactly. That, that, that's like, I, that's why I think it's so important in the Bible is the ultimate self-help book. It's such good advice. Just be childlike in everything that you do and that pulls you into the present moment. Huberman did a, a mini-sode recently on the importance of play in longevity and how as we get old, we just stop playing and stop moving in that way and we die from that.

• 1:07:06Shaan Puri?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:06Speaker 01

  And in my life lately, I've just been like the curious six-year-old inside of me again.

• 1:07:10Chris Williamson?

  What did we do in the park the other day?

• 1:07:12Speaker 01

  We played, we threw the ball.

• 1:07:13Chris Williamson?

  We walked past, I know that you used to have a basketball in front of you on your pod. We did a pod and he was just a mini bass, mini leather basketball.

• 1:07:21Speaker 01

  I always have this little ball with me. It's so fun.

• 1:07:23Chris Williamson?

  And we were walking through the park and some dog must have just left a relatively good condition tennis ball. Like, okay, we're turning around and spend 15 minutes just unloading on our rotator cuffs.

• 1:07:34Speaker 01

  I'm still. Did you hear that? Was that audible?

• 1:07:41Speaker 01

  It was, it was such a just little kid, young boy moment because at the same time, Chris and I are walking and we both see the ball and I bend down as I'm bending down. Chris goes, yep. And we didn't say anything. Yep. And we immediately started playing toss.

• 1:07:54Chris Williamson?

  Yep.

• 1:07:54Speaker 01

  And just burned 20 minutes. It was just so fun.

• 1:07:56Shaan Puri?

  I have this phrase, sorry, I have this phrase called, uh, uh, dogs, kids and dead people. And it's like, what is that? It's basically, that's who I want to spend time with and learn from because you want to learn about like unconditional love, be with a dog, right? A dog is like loyal, it's a great friend, it's a great pet, right? Then kids are just like childlike wonder about everything. And the dead people is like, rather than spending my time consuming tweets and TikToks that people put 20 seconds into, it's like, this guy put 20 years of his life into this book. Like, go, go hang with the dead. You'll, you know, it'll be better for you. And so just hanging, changing who I hung with, kids, dogs and dead people was like a pretty big game changer for, you know, overall enjoyment.

• 1:08:36Chris Williamson?

  Who's your favorite dead person that you've discovered?

• 1:08:39Shaan Puri?

  Um, who's my favorite dead person discovered?

• 1:08:44Shaan Puri?

  Right now, I'm hanging, uh, right now, like I told you, I was reading this like Stoicism book. And so, uh, which is like, whatever, pretty cliche, but there's a guy who wrote a book that basically summarizes like, here's what Aristotle was saying, here's what Socrates was saying. Then this guy was all about suffering to prove himself. So he kind of lived a pretty tough life. This guy was doing this and they exiled him to this island. It's basically like a walk through all the Stoics. And it's pretty cool. It's like it summarizes all of them and like the slight nuances of the different schools of thought that they had. Cause they were basically all influencers. And so one guy had this school of thought, he influenced, he got all these people behind him. And then this other guy branched out, spun it off and was like, yeah, it's that, but without the suffering, it's way more fun over here. And then they all got really popular and so on and so forth. And so they're

• 1:09:26Shaan Puri?

  all dead now, but learning from their, you know, their philosophies obviously is so valuable.

• 1:09:31Chris Williamson?

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• 1:10:16Chris Williamson?

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• 1:10:38George Mack?

  Yeah, I, I mean, we spoke about Stoicism a few times where on some

• 1:10:42Chris Williamson?

  Reverse, reverse Stoicism.

• 1:10:44George Mack?

  Yeah, where like, so for example, a lot of the time, what I've noticed with people that get into Stoicism, they almost have like reverse Stoicism. So when things go well, they'll use the Stoicism to keep it in. And then when things go bad, they just lose the shit. So it's like, now you've like lost both of them.

• 1:10:58Shaan Puri?

  All of the downside and none of the upside?

• 1:11:00Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, correct, correct. You've insulated yourself from getting too excited.

• 1:11:03Shaan Puri?

  Are you saying they're doing it wrong? Or are you saying the philosophy tells you to do that?

• 1:11:07George Mack?

  I think it's a little bit of both. Like, my dad always gave me this great piece of advice, which is, whenever something goes well, try and think how down you'd be if it didn't go well, and at least enjoy it that much. So even if you are gonna have your downs, at least have your ups. And I guess my concern with Stoicism at times, it's a little bit, I don't know, it's a little bit dry, or it's, it makes people a little bit more numb, which I don't particularly like. There's a great speaker, I think he's dead now, he wrote this in the 50s. Have you heard of masturbation?

• 1:11:34George Mack?

  Well. Well, not, no, no. I'm assuming.

• 1:11:37Shaan Puri?

  I say it a little differently.

• 1:11:38George Mack?

  As an Indian man, yes.

• 1:11:40Shaan Puri?

  It's when you're, you watch a video of a mom with that.

• 1:11:42George Mack?

  Yeah, bring him in, bring him in.

• 1:11:45Shaan Puri?

  Bring in the mother.

• 1:11:47George Mack?

  We've got an active shooter. So, um, uh, basically it's, it's a guy called Ellis and he had, it's like rational emotive behavioral therapy. So it's like, it's like a spin off of cognitive behavioral therapy. And essentially his idea, I think it's lovely, is that he basically has like a very, very small room. He goes, everything's fair game, apart from you can never use the word must to yourself. Or like, this has to happen. And what I've actually realized with a lot, a lot of things of myself is you almost, because you try so hard and you put so much pressure on yourself that you end up, there's two things. There's either choking, which is when you overthink, when you think too much in the moment, like an athlete that can't throw the basketball shot. Or there's, um, uh, what's the opposite of choking? It's, um.

• 1:12:31George Mack?

  Clutch, like coming through in the clutch? No, there's, um, uh, panicking. So panicking is when you don't think at all and you just do something reckless. So like scuba divers that will just grab the oxygen and they, they know they shouldn't do it. They can see themselves, but they do it. Overthink and underthink. Exactly. So, um, uh, REBT, essentially this masturbation idea, he essentially has this concept, which you can basically say anything about yourself, desire anything, but never say, oh, this podcast has to go well today, has to go well today or else. Because as soon as you do that, you activate the fight or fight response. Right. And you notice like a lot of people that are type A people that probably listen to this sort of shit, um, it's often like an extreme statement. So you can still say, I really want

• 1:13:14George Mack?

  this to go well. It's not like stoicism where it's like, whatever happens, happens. None of it matters because you kind of lose a little bit of the edge, but you just, I really want this to go well today. And even if it doesn't, I'll be okay. And it's just that little bit at the edge that just gets it in that perfect like Goldilocks zone between the two, which I think's, um, which I think's missed by stoicism.

• 1:13:33Speaker 01

  It's almost, it's almost a degree of surrender behind the intention.

• 1:13:36Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:37Speaker 01

  Surrendering to the experience and being fully open to whatever comes up, but hoping it goes a certain way. My friend Nick Comodina has this great quote, "We live in a universe that what we run from chases us and what we chase runs from us."

• 1:13:48Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:48Speaker 01

  So if you're constantly, if we sit down like, "God, this has to be a banger, it has to be a profound conversation." It would be the opposite of all of those things. And Tom Cruise probably never would have walked in.

• 1:13:57Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:57Speaker 01

  But we just sat down here to shoot the shit. It's been a blast. So a degree of surrender with an intention or a hope that it goes a certain way, but also giving into the experience.

• 1:14:05Chris Williamson?

  I did this emotions retreat with Joe Hudson in September and it was 12 hours a day for seven days and a flower farm in Santa Rosa of just very, very deep, very difficult emotional work. And you had to write an intention before you went in. And this intention would go on this huge piece of paper and we'd be writing loads of stuff and it was on the wall and everybody could see what it was that you'd written throughout the, throughout the week. And some people's intentions were really big and really grand and I felt so, mine felt really stupid. I was kind of ashamed of mine because it felt so small and it felt so silly. And by the end of the week, I'd just completely fallen in love with it. And it was my favorite definition of safety. Now with emotional safety, of feeling like you're enough, of feeling like you belong, of feeling like you're supposed to be there.

• 1:14:48Chris Williamson?

  And it was, "I'm okay no matter what happens." And that sense of this goes well, this goes badly, the power goes out, it doesn't, Tom Cruise comes in, Bonnie Blue, like whatever goes on, I'm okay no matter what happens. And just that, again, that sort of sense of relaxing, it's a little bit of Jhana, the meditation technique that me and George are playing with at the moment. But on the, the good luck, bad luck thing, I came across a quote that I'd already seen a bunch and I wrote about it this week. Cormac McCarthy, "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."

• 1:15:21Chris Williamson?

  And there's this line, I told this story to George this week and he was able to work out who it was, but it's fucking fantastic. So. In the mid 90s, there was a single mother living in near poverty in Edinburgh. When she left her first marriage, it wasn't a quiet parting. She's described the relationship as abusive. She fled to Portugal with her baby daughter and a suitcase that contained the early chapters of a book that she was working on. At one point, her ex-husband hid the manuscript, trying to prevent her from leaving with it. She was clinically depressed and contemplating suicide. She couldn't afford to heat her flat properly, so she pushed a pram to cafes to write while her daughter slept. The manuscript was rejected by 12 publishers, that's 12 people, telling her in different ways that it wasn't good enough. The rejection wasn't abstract, it was survival level.

• 1:16:06Chris Williamson?

  If the book failed, so did her last attempt at building a life. The humiliation of those refusals became momentum. J.K. Rowling went on to sell 500 million copies in the Harry Potter series globally and became richer than the Queen. You never know what worse luck or bad luck has saved you from. Fucking money, dude.

• 1:16:23Shaan Puri?

  She has a great line where she goes, "Rock bottom is the most solid foundation to build from."

• 1:16:29Chris Williamson?

  Hmm. Arthur Brooks has got this line where he says, "Psychology is biology." And basically, you can't try and trick... What's your thing about trying to think your way out of overthinking is like trying to sniff your way out of cocaine addiction?

• 1:16:42Shaan Puri?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:16:44Chris Williamson?

  It's so fucking...

• 1:16:45Shaan Puri?

  Banger, George!

• 1:16:46Chris Williamson?

  All right, what you got?

• 1:16:47Shaan Puri?

  Uh, have you guys seen the... You've probably all seen this. You've seen the McDonald's CEO thing that's been going viral? It's pretty... Have you been following this? So, the CEO of McDonald's tries to do a promotional event for the new Big Arch, which kind of worked because it went viral, but not for the right reason. So, I don't know if you've seen this. Check this out.

• 1:17:08Speaker 04

  With, you've heard about it, here it is, the Big Arch.

• 1:17:12Chris Williamson?

  First of all, is this what you thought he'd look like?

• 1:17:14Speaker 04

  Tested already. It's in Portugal, Germany, Canada. I love this product. It is so good. We're gonna do a tasting right now, but I'm gonna eat this for my lunch, just so you know. So, here we go. Holy cow! God, that is a big burger. We've got a very unique kind of sesame poppy sort of bun on it. We've got two quart of pound patties, a delicious Big Arch sauce, and of course, some lettuce. So, oh, there's so much going on with this. First of all, let's try to get this thing...

• 1:17:48Shaan Puri?

  It's like me trying to unhook a bra for the first time.

• 1:17:53Shaan Puri?

  If you had my narration.

• 1:17:56Speaker 04

  All right, the moment of truth.

• 1:18:01Speaker 01

  Barely gone.

• 1:18:02Shaan Puri?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:02Speaker 04

  That is so good. That's a big bite for a big one. It's distinctively McDonald's. Only McDonald's could do this type of burger, but it also is unlike anything else on our menu. It's a delicious product. You know, you've got sort of cheeses and the gooeyness, but those crispy onions as well gives a nice texture. And of course, we've got the pickles. So I'm going to enjoy the rest of my lunch, but Big Arch, try when you can get it.

• 1:18:28Speaker 01

  Sort of cheeses is a great way to describe whatever's on that burger.

• 1:18:32Shaan Puri?

  You know, he's basically like lying when he's like, I'm gonna eat this later off camera, but I'm definitely gonna eat this.

• 1:18:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, totally. I want to be clear. I'm gonna finish this.

• 1:18:40Shaan Puri?

  I do this all the time. That made me feel physically ill. That made me feel physically uncomfortable to watch that.

• 1:18:47Speaker 01

  It's like watching an android try to be a human. It was very strange.

• 1:18:50Chris Williamson?

  How did that get out?

• 1:18:52Shaan Puri?

  Like from the lab, like a lab leak? What do you mean? Like the actual video. That wasn't him catching something.

• 1:18:58Speaker 01

  Oh, no.

• 1:19:00Shaan Puri?

  Let's go.

• 1:19:04Shaan Puri?

  Oh, let's go. Ben, wait, Ben, look at the tie length on Ben. Can we just admire? You may have to turn around, turn around to the camera. Show the, show the length of the tie.

• 1:19:15Speaker 01

  That's your camera.

• 1:19:16Shaan Puri?

  Ben wore his son's tie.

• 1:19:17Speaker 01

  Do we all try the, the Big Arch with a McDonald's CEO bite?

• 1:19:20Shaan Puri?

  Wait, wait.

• 1:19:21Speaker 01

  Are you passing?

• 1:19:22Shaan Puri?

  Can you just reenact? Reenact the CEO?

• 1:19:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, it's, yeah, what was it like? He was picking up an act IED?

• 1:19:28Shaan Puri?

  First, yeah.

• 1:19:32Speaker 01

  Calls the red wire to the Big Arch.

• 1:19:34Shaan Puri?

  Enjoy the product, Michael. The product.

• 1:19:36Speaker 01

  This is a great product. Wow, this is mechanically engineered. Oh, it's so, it's so.

• 1:19:42Shaan Puri?

  Oh, we all got big arches.

• 1:19:43Speaker 01

  It's so wet. It is unbelievable. All right, I'm gonna take a big bite for a big guy. You know that scene in SpongeBob, Scrappy Pat, Scrappy Patty?

• 1:19:52Shaan Puri?

  It's just the tiniest little bit of. Oh, wow.

• 1:19:57Speaker 01

  Mmm. Mmm, oh, it's medium rare. That's good. That's good. I want my McDonald's beef to be medium rare. Did it maintain the perfect?

• 1:20:05Shaan Puri?

  Good product.

• 1:20:05Speaker 01

  On this, is it still maintain its perfect circular shape?

• 1:20:07Shaan Puri?

  That's a unique poppy seed. I've never seen a bun like that.

• 1:20:11Speaker 01

  He said, we have sort of a sesame bun. What do you mean sort of a sesame seed?

• 1:20:15Shaan Puri?

  I'm ready, fuckin'. I love the way he used the word product. A good rule of thumb is no consumer uses the word product or consumer.

• 1:20:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:22Shaan Puri?

  I shall now consume product, everybody. Hello, fellow kids. Would you like to consume product?

• 1:20:30George Mack?

  It's good?

• 1:20:31Chris Williamson?

  No, not bad.

• 1:20:32Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, how is it? How is the big arch?

• 1:20:33George Mack?

  For advertising, yeah.

• 1:20:34Speaker 01

  That's what he should have done if he made me want to eat it. But luckily, I already love a double quarter pounder. So this is, this is great.

• 1:20:40Chris Williamson?

  It's not that special. But yeah, basically the CEO decided that he was going to fucking torpedo himself.

• 1:20:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:47Chris Williamson?

  It's so funny to think, how did that get out? As if, as if that wasn't meant to be for public consumption.

• 1:20:53George Mack?

  Yes, well, I wonder if they, maybe a Machiavellian thing from the social media manager.

• 1:20:57Speaker 01

  You think it's, you think it's an accidental?

• 1:20:59Shaan Puri?

  I thought that was a promo.

• 1:21:00George Mack?

  No, he's not smart.

• 1:21:01Shaan Puri?

  Jared, throw up the meme I have on the dock of the McDonald's thing. It's so funny.

• 1:21:07Speaker 01

  I quite like it.

• 1:21:08Shaan Puri?

  When, when Ben was looking for his McDonald's uniform, he went on Facebook Marketplace.

• 1:21:16Shaan Puri?

  This is the CEO of McDonald's right now.

• 1:21:20Shaan Puri?

  Jesus fucking Christ. The, he goes on Facebook Marketplace and he found somebody who has, who was selling a uniform. And she goes like, oh yeah, sure. Like, you need it for work? And Ben was like, yeah, I need it for work.

• 1:21:31Chris Williamson?

  That's the actual uniform.

• 1:21:33Shaan Puri?

  And then, well, the woman you were messaging was, you were trying to get the uniform. And then she looked him up and was like, it doesn't look like you work at McDonald's. And she got creeped out. And did not give him the McDonald's uniform. So he had to make his own.

• 1:21:46Speaker 01

  You made that? My wife made this one, yeah. That's unbelievable.

• 1:21:50Shaan Puri?

  She ironed on the M.

• 1:21:52Speaker 01

  Did she make the tie too? Or did you get that at Baby Gap?

• 1:21:57Shaan Puri?

  It's the perfect length, man. I think Ben's been in uniform, waiting for the big arch moment with Tom Cruise in the green room.

• 1:22:05Chris Williamson?

  This fucking Ben in a McDonald's uniform and Tom Cruise.

• 1:22:09Speaker 01

  This is, this is might be like the completely original scenario. This doesn't exist in any other timelines or realities.

• 1:22:13Chris Williamson?

  That's correct, yeah. In a thousand, a thousand universes, there's only one where Ben was dressed as a McDonald's guy next to a Tom Cruise impersonator, waiting to give us the food.

• 1:22:21Speaker 01

  During the break, I said, oh, can I get a napkin? Tom Cruise spilled new tonic on the table. Now that's a sentence that's never been said before.

• 1:22:29Shaan Puri?

  The first of your bloodline to ever do that.

• 1:22:34Speaker 01

  I give that.

• 1:22:36Speaker 01

  Out of 10 on three, say your rating. Ready? One, two, three.

• 1:22:40Chris Williamson?

  Seven.

• 1:22:41Shaan Puri?

  Interesting.

• 1:22:42Speaker 01

  Not bad.

• 1:22:43Chris Williamson?

  It's okay.

• 1:22:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:45Chris Williamson?

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• 1:23:29Chris Williamson?

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• 1:24:00Chris Williamson?

  A checkout. I think there's an upper bound for McDonald's.

• 1:24:03Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, I think if it breaks a seven, it's not coming from McDonald's.

• 1:24:07Speaker 01

  Except for the Filet-O-Fish, I will die on that hill. Best sandwich and fast food.

• 1:24:12Chris Williamson?

  Um. What do you think they're trying to, is this just every company CEO now needs to do self-branding?

• 1:24:19Shaan Puri?

  Just build a personal, yeah.

• 1:24:20Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, everybody needs to have a personal brand.

• 1:24:22Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, I don't know. He's been basically only in front of shareholders, you can tell. And this was like, this big coming out party and.

• 1:24:28Speaker 01

  Only in front of reptilian people.

• 1:24:31Speaker 01

  It's a freaking lizard, man, dude. If I was ever on the fence about that conspiracy, he just proved it.

• 1:24:37Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, but like if Zuck, it took 20 years for Zuck to do this transformation, right? Do you remember when he was also like a lizard?

• 1:24:44Chris Williamson?

  It did take a little.

• 1:24:44Shaan Puri?

  He literally had like a thing where you could find this where he was like, uh, I was a human, I am a human, I, I am, I am a human, right? He literally was doing that, the sweet baby rays.

• 1:24:55Chris Williamson?

  Yep.

• 1:24:55Shaan Puri?

  And now he's just like swagged out and awesome and like cool.

• 1:24:58Chris Williamson?

  Based, yeah. That's what happens. You get four figure testosterone, everything goes well. All right. Um, how about I tell you about this? Have you heard of the beer mile?

• 1:25:05Shaan Puri?

  The beer mile?

• 1:25:06Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 1:25:07Shaan Puri?

  I've not.

• 1:25:07Chris Williamson?

  You must have heard of the beer mile.

• 1:25:08Speaker 01

  I won one last year, yes.

• 1:25:09Chris Williamson?

  You won a beer mile?

• 1:25:10Speaker 01

  Beat Devon Levesque in the beer mile at running.

• 1:25:11Chris Williamson?

  Do you want to explain what it is?

• 1:25:13Shaan Puri?

  Can we guess?

• 1:25:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, George, what is your guess? What is the beer mile?

• 1:25:17Chris Williamson?

  You drink beer and run?

• 1:25:19Speaker 01

  During?

• 1:25:19Shaan Puri?

  Before.

• 1:25:20Speaker 01

  Directionally accurate. During. So the beer mile is, I'm, I wish I was being facetious when I said this. I think it's more painful than any marathon or ultra I've run. Cause it's such an acute pain for such a short time. So the goal of the beer mile is simple. You run one mile and every quarter mile, you have a beer. So over the course of one mile, you drink four beers. So the gun goes off, beer one, quarter lap, beer two, quarter lap, three, quarter lap, four. There's a great photo, I, I wish I'd known you bringing it up of me, uh, we'll call it an action shot. Immediately after crossing the finish line on all fours, just, oh, just exiting all of the beer that I had. So that's the beer mile.

• 1:25:59Shaan Puri?

  Should we create the big arch mile?

• 1:26:01Speaker 01

  I would do that.

• 1:26:02Chris Williamson?

  Interesting that you talk about the beer mile. How about the two beers, two cigs, two Rubik's cubes speed run?

• 1:26:07Shaan Puri?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:10Chris Williamson?

  Jared? Uh, this is, if you were to look at your kind of elementary version of a physical challenge.

• 1:26:20Speaker 01

  Feels like it now.

• 1:26:20Chris Williamson?

  You know, let's.

• 1:26:22Speaker 01

  Oh, he's got Ben's tie.

• 1:26:23Speaker 04

  My time to beat is three minutes, 33 seconds. I can't remember the warm record, but it's around a minute 30. You can see it up here. We'll let me that from the others, but I'm hoping for under two minutes. Also the top camera is dead, so hopefully.

• 1:26:37Chris Williamson?

  This guy's just on his patio.

• 1:26:39Speaker 04

  Let's do this.

• 1:26:40Chris Williamson?

  And he's got the special.

• 1:26:42Shaan Puri?

  There we go.

• 1:26:43Chris Williamson?

  I mean, that first beer is what, four gulps?

• 1:26:47Shaan Puri?

  Nice.

• 1:26:48Chris Williamson?

  Watch him rip this cig. Watch him rip this cig. It is absolutely absurd.

• 1:26:53Shaan Puri?

  How do you even speed smoke a cigarette?

• 1:26:55Chris Williamson?

  Like that.

• 1:26:55Shaan Puri?

  Just like this.

• 1:26:57Chris Williamson?

  That's, I think technically sprint smoking a cig. It's uh-

• 1:27:02Shaan Puri?

  Holy shit, it's working.

• 1:27:03Speaker 01

  You saying vaulting that motherfucker? That's crazy.

• 1:27:05Chris Williamson?

  It is unbelie- the hair, the suit.

• 1:27:08George Mack?

  It's really Scott Adams' talent stack and it's pure as fuck, isn't it?

• 1:27:11Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. Yeah, bears interesting, a unicycle's interesting, but a bear on a unicycle is fucking fascinating. And then you two cigs, so there's gotta be a strategy here, right? He starts off with the beer.

• 1:27:22Shaan Puri?

  He needs the Joey Chestnut double dip. Two cigs at once.

• 1:27:25Chris Williamson?

  I don't think you can do, I think it must not be allowed to do it, but look at his, look at his uh, Cuban.

• 1:27:30Shaan Puri?

  Oh, but see, he's doing this.

• 1:27:31Speaker 01

  He's gonna be dried up from the cig, so he'll want beer after the second cig.

• 1:27:34Chris Williamson?

  I think that's the way it goes, yeah.

• 1:27:36Speaker 04

  I wish they had a shot of his dad crying inside, watch this.

• 1:27:40Shaan Puri?

  Does he have like a whoop on? We need like a live tracker. What's his strain after this activity?

• 1:27:44Chris Williamson?

  This is, he's on track for a world record here, right? And he's, he must be thinking the pre- Well, I guess you got a lot of nicotine in you, but he needs to down the beer quickly.

• 1:27:53George Mack?

  Is it, oh, is it a world record?

• 1:27:54Chris Williamson?

  This is a world record. This is the world, this is the new world record.

• 1:27:58George Mack?

  Was he creating the world record or was-

• 1:27:59Chris Williamson?

  No, he was trying to beat it. It was uh, 130 something.

• 1:28:04Speaker 01

  I like your idea, we need to get this guy in touch with, with Simon at Whoop.

• 1:28:08Chris Williamson?

  Hands down.

• 1:28:09Shaan Puri?

  George, there's tens of them out there doing this.

• 1:28:11Chris Williamson?

  128.3 dude.

• 1:28:13George Mack?

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:28:15Chris Williamson?

  Wow.

• 1:28:19Shaan Puri?

  Herp is crazy.

• 1:28:20George Mack?

  Imagine if he realised the camera wasn't rolling, the pain.

• 1:28:23Shaan Puri?

  Who is this small Asian kid he just showed?

• 1:28:25Chris Williamson?

  I think he's just called someone out.

• 1:28:28Shaan Puri?

  The former champion?

• 1:28:29Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, that was the former champion that we know well. Jesus Christ.

• 1:28:32Speaker 01

  That was something.

• 1:28:34Chris Williamson?

  Well, yeah, I mean, that's what you've got to do next. The two beers, two cigs, two Rubik's Cube speedrun.

• 1:28:38Speaker 01

  I did get challenged to do, cause I talked about the beer mile in content, I got challenged to do the Filet-O-Fish mile. Cause I'm convicted on the fact that I think the Filet-O-Fish is the ultimate fast food sandwich. And so I think what I'll do is I'll run a quarter mile and every quarter mile I'll eat a Filet.

• 1:28:53Shaan Puri?

  Swim to Alcatraz, down a Filet-O-Fish, swim down another Filet-O-Fish.

• 1:28:58Speaker 01

  Mentally, I'll already be in Alcatraz, it doesn't matter where we swim.

• 1:29:01Chris Williamson?

  That's what uh, that's what Ross Edgely is great at. So Ross was the first guy to swim around the UK. He did it in nine months, something like that. And he swam six hours on, six hours off for nine months. He was just biphasic sleeping, six hours on, six hours off. And uh- I had him on the show 18 months ago and I was trying to work out like, what the fuck is it with this guy? He's jacked. He's got this sort of never unhappy fucking mentality, which is kind of crazy. But what is it really that causes him to be so good? And I realized it's a fact, his digestion system, like his capacity to digest food. For instance, he swam the longest river in Canada. I think he's done the longest river swim unbroken,

• 1:29:44Chris Williamson?

  50 hours that he swam for without touching land, without stopping, 50 hours of swimming. Yeah, so delirious. He tried to do it in Italy and got hypothermia, then tried to do it in America and got hypothermia, and then tried to do it in Canada and did it. He was so cold that the best way that he could heat his body was with piping hot porridge, like burning scalding hot porridge that he just ate and it warmed him from the inside, like wearing a hot water bottle. And I realized, he's able, I don't know about you, if I eat something, I have to be upright. If I try and lie down, it's so fucking uncomfortable. I want to burp. It's awful. He's able to do it while swimming. Not only is he fucking horizontal, motherfuckers swimming. So, yeah.

• 1:30:29Speaker 01

  He's actively eating while striding in the water?

• 1:30:31Chris Williamson?

  No, he'll stop and tread water and they'll throw like a banana on a bucket and he'll just fucking force a banana down and pour protein shakes and porridge and shit.

• 1:30:41Speaker 01

  Is there a video of this guy? Didn't he swim like the entire coastline of Iceland or some shit?

• 1:30:45Chris Williamson?

  The circumnavigated Iceland. Yeah, ice swimming for this. It's, I mean, it's, the mad thing about it is he makes it look so effortless, like lots of people that do crazy things.

• 1:30:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:55Chris Williamson?

  It's not, that Rubik's Cube thing, that is hilarious.

• 1:31:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:31:00Chris Williamson?

  Watching Ross do it, it's just business as usual. If you've done it twice a day for nine months, just business as usual. He's a fucking freak. It's crazy.

• 1:31:10George Mack?

  Well, you know, the only thing I was gonna do, we've had like a lot of America chat and not much British chat, you two Yanks dominating things. So.

• 1:31:19Speaker 01

  Hell, yeah, we do.

• 1:31:20George Mack?

  Let's go, baby.

• 1:31:21Shaan Puri?

  That's such a difference in reaction immediately. We, I think we went to Facebook, don't we?

• 1:31:25Speaker 01

  The European mind can never comprehend.

• 1:31:27George Mack?

  The fuck is a calamity? We don't know either. Okay, we don't use it. So I've got one of my favorite accounts called Mental UK Headlines. So it's just different like mental shit that's happened in the UK, but it's like it's a specific type of mentalness that would only happen in the UK. So I was thinking, can you give me like the gong? You know, like the news station gong?

• 1:31:47Speaker 01

  Bong.

• 1:31:48George Mack?

  Grandfather banned from US holiday after accidentally ticking terrorist box on visa form.

• 1:31:56Speaker 01

  Bong.

• 1:31:57George Mack?

  Rescuers learned that the exotic bird that they found was actually a seagull covered in curry.

• 1:32:06George Mack?

  Shaun, that must have been you.

• 1:32:08Shaan Puri?

  That's a good one.

• 1:32:09George Mack?

  Have you ever, have you ever Googled your birthday and Florida man?

• 1:32:15Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:32:15Shaan Puri?

  No.

• 1:32:16George Mack?

  Fucking, what's your birthday?

• 1:32:18Speaker 01

  April 25th.

• 1:32:19George Mack?

  April 25th, Florida man.

• 1:32:20Speaker 01

  Florida man.

• 1:32:21George Mack?

  In Google, please.

• 1:32:24George Mack?

  How do you know that? Why do you know that?

• 1:32:26Shaan Puri?

  Just know that.

• 1:32:26George Mack?

  A Florida man was rescued after trying to ride a hamster.

• 1:32:30Shaan Puri?

  Wow. Oh, 25th or 20th?

• 1:32:32Speaker 01

  Love it. Uh, no, that's right. That's right.

• 1:32:35Shaan Puri?

  20th.

• 1:32:35Speaker 01

  Not Hiller's?

• 1:32:36Shaan Puri?

  No, no, it's, yeah, okay, good.

• 1:32:37George Mack?

  There we go. Open that up.

• 1:32:39Shaan Puri?

  Tried to ride an inflatable balloon to, to the Bermuda Triangle. Nice.

• 1:32:43George Mack?

  Hamster ball to the Bahamas. Wow, that got more extreme. A Florida man, go back, a Florida man was rescued after trying to ride a hamster.

• 1:32:49Shaan Puri?

  No, see, that's respectable.

• 1:32:50George Mack?

  Ball to the Bahamas.

• 1:32:52Speaker 01

  Ride a hamster was definitely exciting, but in a different way.

• 1:32:55Shaan Puri?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:56George Mack?

  Look at that at the bottom. Orlando's first free STD testing and treatment clinic. Hook up with us. No judgment, no cost, just care.

• 1:33:04Speaker 01

  Only the first one.

• 1:33:05George Mack?

  How fantastic. All right.

• 1:33:06Shaan Puri?

  Orlando Weekly, we need to subscribe.

• 1:33:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, mine is Florida man arrested after dumping heaps of dirt on girlfriend's car. Heaps is an interesting word.

• 1:33:17Speaker 01

  How much is constitutes the arrest?

• 1:33:19George Mack?

  Heaps.

• 1:33:20Speaker 01

  Too much.

• 1:33:21Shaan Puri?

  There's a hilarious Reddit post on angry girlfriends. Uh, this girlfriend went and posted in the, uh, am I the asshole subreddit about her boyfriend, uh, Jer, see if you can pull this up. It's, uh,

• 1:33:33Chris Williamson?

  Am I the asshole?

• 1:33:34Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, am I the asshole? He's been rating every meal she cooked for him for like secretly for over a year. And she got a she got a glimpse of the spreadsheet and took a secret photo and posted on Reddit like, am I overreacting basically to to this spreadsheet? And so it'd be like, you know, spaghetti and meatballs. Seven point seven. And yeah, this is the screenshot. So she took this.

• 1:33:56Chris Williamson?

  Zoom in.

• 1:33:57Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, you gotta zoom in. That's where the magic is. There's really two incredible things in this screenshot. The first is the rating system and the count. So she's made spaghetti and meatballs 282 times. The rating is seven point seven. The average rating seven point five. So, you know, she did a little above average this time. But the trend, three arrows up like the stock market, spaghetti and meatballs is doing well, but then all the women in the comment section are just ripping him because he also got like AI open asking how to grow his calves.

• 1:34:28Shaan Puri?

  It's like all the women are like, well, tell that little bird calf bitch that he needs to do this, this and this.

• 1:34:33Chris Williamson?

  To increase your calf size, you must combine training that targets both the gastroc and the soleus, the deeper flatter muscle. In daily life, they're normally fatigue resistant, specializing in techniques. Fucking hell. What was the, what was the lowest rating average overall? Chicken tacos, six point nine.

• 1:34:49Shaan Puri?

  Chicken stir fry, six. On the average, six and a half there.

• 1:34:54Chris Williamson?

  That's not good.

• 1:34:55Shaan Puri?

  That's a tough dish, though.

• 1:34:56Speaker 01

  He has to like work in audit at Ernst and Young or something. This is insane.

• 1:35:01Chris Williamson?

  That's fucking fantastic.

• 1:35:02Speaker 01

  So glad you brought up Excel spreadsheets because

• 1:35:06Speaker 01

  I found something on how dogs can't get pregnant because of underwear. And I am terrified of this. Have you guys ever given any attention to this, the whole underwear thing, cotton clothing? And how it's a big part of the health and wellness world?

• 1:35:17Chris Williamson?

  Austin Floyd's massive on it. He wants to shut up about it.

• 1:35:20Speaker 01

  Okay, do you do? Do you pay attention?

• 1:35:22Chris Williamson?

  Bamboo Cotton. I listen to him. I listen to stuff.

• 1:35:24Shaan Puri?

  What is it? Microplastics? That's the issue or something else?

• 1:35:27Speaker 01

  Uh, I, I think we're all effectively as we sit here nuking our nuts. That's what I've gathered from the studies. So a study on Twitter from, from the never controversial account carnivore Aurelius says, ladies, you need to be wearing cotton underwear. Now, this is targeted at women, but there's evidence for males as well. Polyester underwear on dogs tanked their progesterone 90%, which earlier we called out the ethics of studies and how we can't do them anymore. Do we draw the line at making dogs infertile through human underwear? Polyester underwear on dogs tanked progesterone 90% from 15 nanograms per milliliter to five and 75% of them couldn't get pregnant. Polyester creates an electrostatic field that disrupts hormone production. 100% cotton only if you want babies.

• 1:36:10Speaker 01

  I have never paid any attention to this now and I don't think I own a single pair of cotton underwear. I thought this was fascinating.

• 1:36:15Shaan Puri?

  I'm doing the opposite. I'm gonna do this as a form of birth control.

• 1:36:19Speaker 01

  I think, I think I'm-

• 1:36:20Shaan Puri?

  Rather than a vasectomy, I'm just gonna start polyester.

• 1:36:22Speaker 01

  I think I'm speedrunning infertility and I didn't even realize it from my underwear and not anything else in my lifestyle. So maybe a good incentive. George, what's your concern level?

• 1:36:31George Mack?

  Um, you constantly tell me about the sauna as well, right? The sauna's-

• 1:36:35Chris Williamson?

  That's why we've got nutsicles in the freezer.

• 1:36:37Speaker 01

  You have nutsicles at the house.

• 1:36:38Chris Williamson?

  Nutsicles in the freezer.

• 1:36:39Speaker 01

  That's a Brian Johnson move right there.

• 1:36:40Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, I've been doing it since-

• 1:36:42Shaan Puri?

  Is that a branded thing or you're calling it that?

• 1:36:44Chris Williamson?

  No, no, no, nutsicles, they are purpose built. Search, just Google nutsicles for me, please, George.

• 1:36:48George Mack?

  There's a problem, there's a guy-

• 1:36:49Chris Williamson?

  Nutsicles. Nutsicles.

• 1:36:51Shaan Puri?

  The drop shippers are undefeated.

• 1:36:53Chris Williamson?

  Like popsicles, but nutsicles. And, uh, yeah, they just, Brian made this really great point, which is my sperm count went up a lot by me going in the sauna. Like, but it only happened when I iced my, there were there, on the, on the top left, look at those. So they're special pants. I don't wear the pants because the pants are polyester.

• 1:37:10Shaan Puri?

  Four and a half.

• 1:37:11Chris Williamson?

  But I do just use-

• 1:37:12Speaker 01

  The irony of that.

• 1:37:13Chris Williamson?

  I know. Uh, but I just pop those on the outside and, uh, oh, I don't want to see the fucking person.

• 1:37:19Speaker 01

  Don't show me the demo, please.

• 1:37:20Chris Williamson?

  Oh, okay. Is he drinking a beer?

• 1:37:23Speaker 01

  I could go back.

• 1:37:25Chris Williamson?

  It's supposed to be for vasectomy recovery or something.

• 1:37:28George Mack?

  Bring him through.

• 1:37:29Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:30George Mack?

  I was on Model 30.

• 1:37:35Chris Williamson?

  Honestly, if Ben comes in with a fucking hair of nutsicles-

• 1:37:37Shaan Puri?

  I think we found the hook for the show. Everything-

• 1:37:40Chris Williamson?

  Bring him through.

• 1:37:41Shaan Puri?

  The viral person shows up and has to answer.

• 1:37:42George Mack?

  Bring him on down.

• 1:37:43Chris Williamson?

  Um, yeah, basically, Brian couldn't work out whether or not his sperm count went up because sauna is great for his body or because he was icing his balls for 40 minutes a day. So it might actually have just been the fact that he was putting them in a really cool environment that was helping to foster fucking-

• 1:38:03Speaker 01

  Well, that's why they're in the sack in the first place, right?

• 1:38:05Chris Williamson?

  Correct. But like, we're taking them, you're talking about something that's come out of the fucking freezer. Like, oh, this is a little bit-

• 1:38:10Speaker 01

  I have a friend who does the face plunge you mentioned earlier to change his physiology to his nuts every single morning.

• 1:38:15Chris Williamson?

  Oh, like the nut dunk?

• 1:38:17Shaan Puri?

  Wait, why didn't you say this when I mentioned the face plunge?

• 1:38:19Speaker 01

  Well, we hadn't-

• 1:38:20Shaan Puri?

  You held this secret close.

• 1:38:21Chris Williamson?

  You were talking about panic attacks.

• 1:38:23Speaker 01

  It's, yeah, I wouldn't have thought, ah, testicles, yes. He, every morning for many years now, he has dunked his nuts in a, and I was like, but how do you, I didn't ask for the demo, but he literally just sits down into an ice bowl every morning for about two minutes, and he said he's noticed difference in, uh, the way it hangs, if you will, and his sperm count also went up and his member appears healthier and fuller now.

• 1:38:47Chris Williamson?

  Hmm.

• 1:38:49Speaker 01

  Pretty interesting stuff, so.

• 1:38:50Chris Williamson?

  Honestly, I mean, between that and sunning the fucking butthole, uh, I guess you'd, you can go from one to the other. You could, that's basically contrast therapy, but just for your fucking groin, eh?

• 1:39:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's exactly right.

• 1:39:02Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. Boys, I appreciate you being here. First one in the new studio, some technical issues and all the rest of it. I hope everyone enjoyed Tom Cruise and everything else. I'm really excited. Thank you for being, this feels like a, like a real special moment to be able to do this for the first one. So, uh, go to McDonald's, get yourself a big arch, and, uh, we'll see you next time.

• 1:39:21Chris Williamson?

  Right. Boys, yes, we did it!

• 1:39:23Speaker 01

  Amazing.

• 1:39:23Chris Williamson?

  Let's fucking go. All right, dinner.

• 1:39:25Speaker 01

  Late for dinner.

• 1:39:26Chris Williamson?

  Dinner.

• 1:39:27Speaker 01

  Love you.

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• 1:40:01George Mack?

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