Life Hacks 202 | Modern Wisdom Podcast 234

Jonny & Yusef from PropaneFitness.com join me for another Life Hacks episode. Sit back & enjoy as we run through our favourite tools, apps, websites, strategies & resources for a productive and efficient life. Expect to learn how to properly use yeast, why being cold when you sleep is great, Yusef's best ever suggestion for how to use your spare time, how to hide tags on Instagram Stories, whether a personal sauna is any good, why my toilet has hot water in it and much more... Sponsor: Get FREE access to a supercharged calendar at http://bit.ly/wovenwisdom (discount automatically applied) Extra Stuff: Nutritional Yeast, especially on eggs - https://amzn.to/34GO8KO iOS14 Backtap Hide tags on Instagram Stories Have one actionable element on an Instagram Story Shortcuts on iOS14 Have a default fallback activity Don’t take your phone to the toilet ChilliPad - https://uk.chilisleep.com/products/chilipad-sleep-system Nestle Lindahls Kvarg - https://groceries.asda.com/product/high-in-protein/lindahls-kvarg-white-chocolate/1000164970300 Sleep Meditation in Insight Timer Drawstring Teabags on Amazon - https://amzn.to/30SWFcq Ask for a solution when someone poses a problem Ask yourself the question “What is the goal with this behaviour?” List the options which could get you toward that goal and potential problems. Then pick a solution. MiHi Personal Sauna - https://mihigh.co.uk/ No TV on a night Take your TV out of the living room for better conversations OmniFocus is still great - https://www.omnigroup.com/omnifocus/ Peter Akkies Course - https://learn.peterakkies.net/omnifocus-productivity Put your keys on top of whatever you need to remember Reebok Myoknit seamless shorts - https://www.reebok.co.uk/united-by-fitness-8-inch-myoknit-seamless-shorts/FU2095.html (MW20 for 20% off) Watch The Platform on Netflix Watch The Social Dilemma Watch Money Heist Watch American Murder Watch The Fall Free business training to become an online coach - https://propanefitness.com/modernwisdom Gain muscle & lose fat - https://propanefitness.com/ Get my free Ultimate Life Hacks List to 10x your daily productivity → https://chriswillx.com/lifehacks/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): https://www.patreon.com/modernwisdom #lifehacks #productivity #chriswilliamson - Listen to all episodes online. Search "Modern Wisdom" on any Podcast App or click here: iTunes: https://apple.co/2MNqIgw Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2LSimPn Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/modern-wisdom - Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Email: [email protected]

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• 0:00Chris Williamson?

  I went to Stockton and Grangefield six form mates, so when half the girls in your class are pregnant, you grow up fast.

• 0:08Speaker 01

  Is that gonna make it into the trailer?

• 0:11Jonny?

  I remember hearing you playing it.

• 0:13Chris Williamson?

  At three times speed.

• 0:14Jonny?

  At three times speed. It's time to go to sleep now and relax. And you said it's supposed to be relaxing, not trying to get through it as quickly as possible.

• 0:22Chris Williamson?

  I could get more relaxation in in less time if I played at three times speed.

• 0:28Jonny?

  You go to bed and you think, I need to remember this in the morning. Like, I need to remember to take this in the morning. And you think, that's all right, I'll remember. And then invariably you leave the house and you've forgotten. Just put it in like the middle of the floor.

• 0:37Speaker 01

  Johnny, I saw this weird thing in the middle of the floor. Like, what are you doing?

• 0:41Chris Williamson?

  Johnny, you left all of your dildos in the middle of the floor.

• 0:45Speaker 01

  I needed them to bring to Cafe Nero.

• 0:47Chris Williamson?

  Taking them to Costa.

• 0:52Chris Williamson?

  It's life hacks, man. What else are you gonna be excited about?

• 0:55Speaker 01

  I'm amped for the life hacks, yeah.

• 0:58Chris Williamson?

  Yes, I'm very well, thank you. It's been a while since we spoke.

• 1:02Speaker 01

  I've just realised, in the background of Johnny is, I think, a John Lewis banana stand. Well, it looks very similar to one, like a very fancy thing to hold your bananas with.

• 1:14Jonny?

  It's a light.

• 1:15Speaker 01

  Is it? To keep it away from the other fruit, because bananas produce a gas that makes other fruit ripen prematurely. Yeah.

• 1:24Chris Williamson?

  I got a new.

• 1:24Jonny?

  You also can't freeze bananas, you know that?

• 1:27Chris Williamson?

  Do you know? What happens?

• 1:28Jonny?

  I learned, I learned that from trying to freeze bananas. They just, they, you think like, oh, I'll freeze banana and then I'll like add it to my smoothie or whatever. And then you take it out until they're all bruising, maybe.

• 1:37Chris Williamson?

  Really?

• 1:38Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 1:38Chris Williamson?

  They're very sensitive souls, aren't they, bananas?

• 1:40Jonny?

  They are. Like, the problem, the problem friend of the, of the fruit family, aren't they?

• 1:46Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, they are. And then they infect, they kind of infect everyone else as well, and they speed up, they speed up their aging. So, yes, welcome back, life hacks. If you are not familiar with the life hacks series, we go through a roundtable, each giving a tool, app, process, food, any other particular type of strategy we've found for a productive and efficient life. And then we riff on how good or bad they are. So, Johnny, what have you got for us today?

• 2:16Jonny?

  Of course.

• 2:17Chris Williamson?

  Of course, a hot potato for you. What have you got for us?

• 2:20Jonny?

  Okay, so.

• 2:25Jonny?

  This is actually one that I borrowed from a guy who's been coaching me.

• 2:32Jonny?

  Which is nutritional yeast.

• 2:39Jonny?

  Great reaction.

• 2:41Chris Williamson?

  I'm just so, I'm so curious about what it is.

• 2:46Jonny?

  Putting nutritional yeast on eggs specifically.

• 2:51Chris Williamson?

  Okay.

• 2:52Jonny?

  So nutritional yeast is like very nutrient dense. So it can apparently, this is lifted from the internet, contains all nine essential amino acids. B vitamins, trace minerals, zinc, selenium, manganese, all that good stuff. And it just tastes, makes eggs taste just a little bit cheesy. So there's a really easy way, when you're, if you're having eggs, just a little sprinkle.

• 3:20Chris Williamson?

  Is it powder?

• 3:21Jonny?

  It's a powder, yeah. Well, it's flakes.

• 3:23Speaker 01

  Ah, see, I've got yeast as capsules. Similar reasons, like the-

• 3:28Jonny?

  Is it nutritional yeast?

• 3:30Speaker 01

  Brew is yeast, yeah, so-

• 3:32Jonny?

  That's different.

• 3:33Speaker 01

  Is it?

• 3:34Jonny?

  I think so.

• 3:35Speaker 01

  I mean, I don't know my yeast very well, to be honest.

• 3:38Jonny?

  To be honest, neither did I.

• 3:39Chris Williamson?

  Welcome back to Yeast Hour here on Modern Wisdom.

• 3:43Speaker 01

  Yeast 101.

• 3:44Jonny?

  I thought when I say yeast, someone's gonna say, well, why would you take yeast? I thought, well, I better have something to say there.

• 3:49Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 3:50Jonny?

  Did a Google, but I think they're different. But it's just a way of like, you know, I suppose that is the definition of a life hack, right? Just a little, something little you can do that just gets slightly more-

• 4:00Speaker 01

  It makes the eggs taste better, cognitive performance, links to testosterone, gut microbiome, like a lot of good stuff with yeast.

• 4:08Jonny?

  Very good.

• 4:08Chris Williamson?

  How long have you been using it, Johnny?

• 4:11Jonny?

  Um, three months.

• 4:15Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 4:18Jonny?

  It's just like, so I, you get it and it comes in this really sort of, you know, if you imagine like opening your grandparents' kitchen cupboard and some of the things you, some of like your jars and tubs, it looks like something that would fit in, in that sort of setting.

• 4:30Chris Williamson?

  Okay.

• 4:30Jonny?

  And it, you like smell it and it smells a bit mint and you add it to eggs, tastes great.

• 4:36Chris Williamson?

  Nice.

• 4:36Jonny?

  So there you go.

• 4:37Chris Williamson?

  There we go, yeast. I wasn't, I was not expecting that of all of the different things that we've gone through. I did not expect yeast to be the first one. Uh, Youssef, what you got?

• 4:47Speaker 01

  iOS fourteen has just come out and for people who, well, for you guys, I'm not sure if you're aware actually, but um, I split my life hack suggestions into physical and digital. So.

• 5:02Jonny?

  I don't know why, why haven't you just said that from the beginning?

• 5:05Speaker 01

  I shouldn't have really specified. Yeah. So iOS fourteen has a new feature called back tap, where you can set functions where if you tap on the back of the screen, it does a certain thing.

• 5:19Chris Williamson?

  Hang on, hang on. Is that Johnny, Johnny, is that a dog?

• 5:23Jonny?

  Google handover, yeah.

• 5:24Speaker 01

  Google handover.

• 5:25Chris Williamson?

  You tap on the back of, back of the screen.

• 5:28Speaker 01

  So if I do this.

• 5:31Chris Williamson?

  Just narrate what you're doing for people that listen.

• 5:33Speaker 01

  So I'm opening a, let's say, back tap, life hacks. I've written that as a note.

• 5:40Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 5:41Speaker 01

  And then if I tap three times on the back of the phone.

• 5:44Speaker 03

  Back tap life hack.

• 5:47Speaker 01

  Wow. So it reads out what you're saying. If you tap three times on the back, it reads out the screen. Or if you tap twice on the back, for me, it opens Tic Tic and plans my day.

• 6:01Jonny?

  That's pretty cool. So hold on, just, just to clarify, do you have to, is the, is, is writing the word back tap in that sentence relevant? Or is that just an example?

• 6:10Speaker 01

  No, that was just an example. So if you have. The books app open and you want it to read to you while you have a poo or something. Just tap three times on the back, put it over on the sink.

• 6:21Chris Williamson?

  So I'm guessing that this is the same as with AirPods. You can custom set either two taps or three taps to do one of a number of different items. Do you know what else there is other than open an app and plan your day?

• 6:35Speaker 01

  Oh, yes. So anything that Siri does, you can even use it to pay someone, but I wouldn't do that because then you could end up like.

• 6:41Chris Williamson?

  Well, my, I think most people's like, if you double tap your lock screen, my cards and my wallet comes up. I think that's for most people.

• 6:47Speaker 01

  No, I really like how iPhone are making something that has very few buttons. Super versatile, like, how can we like really squeeze the lemon of all these like haptic sensors and things to just have as many controls as possible?

• 7:04Chris Williamson?

  It's cool that they've done allowing tapping on the back of the screen. Well, back of the phone.

• 7:10Speaker 01

  It's good.

• 7:12Chris Williamson?

  What would you have on it, Johnny? What would you use?

• 7:14Jonny?

  Well, so I actually have a life hack related to the new iOS. So.

• 7:19Chris Williamson?

  Have you updated?

• 7:20Jonny?

  I have, yeah.

• 7:21Chris Williamson?

  Is it, is it slim beat or is it in full?

• 7:24Jonny?

  Yeah, I think it's full.

• 7:25Speaker 01

  Full chat load now.

• 7:26Chris Williamson?

  Is it?

• 7:27Jonny?

  But that is my home screen.

• 7:30Chris Williamson?

  Oh, okay. Right. Yeah. I, um, I haven't done it yet. I should, I should update.

• 7:34Jonny?

  I thought you did. I thought you sent a screenshot of like.

• 7:37Chris Williamson?

  That was a friend, Nick, who turned his entire phone in black and gray scale. Yeah, no, that was a.

• 7:44Speaker 01

  That guy made a hundred K in a few days from selling those icon packs.

• 7:49Jonny?

  Really? Bloody hell.

• 7:52Speaker 01

  He was just ready, positioned, had these little icons. And as soon as iPhone launched it, he was like, boom.

• 7:58Chris Williamson?

  Up you go.

• 8:00Jonny?

  Just quickly, you said, where do you change these settings? Just in.

• 8:04Speaker 01

  I think if you go to settings and you search back tap.

• 8:07Jonny?

  Right.

• 8:10Chris Williamson?

  What would you have yours set as Jenny? Or what are you thinking for your two and your three?

• 8:14Jonny?

  Uh, so one would be capture. Cause that's, I think that's all, when I like need to get something open on my phone, it's almost always like quickly, it's almost always that. So don't forget it.

• 8:24Chris Williamson?

  So what will that be? Will that be like add a new entry to OmniFocus?

• 8:27Jonny?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 8:28Speaker 01

  Oh yeah. So that would be perfect. Add a new entry. You can do it to like, open calendar in three day view or day planning mode, resume a podcast or whatever on sleep timer.

• 8:41Chris Williamson?

  Fucking how often, how often are you going to sleep that you need to resume podcasts on sleep time?

• 8:51Speaker 01

  I use sleep timer quite a lot now. It's great.

• 8:55Chris Williamson?

  Why?

• 8:56Jonny?

  Because you're going to sleep or?

• 8:58Speaker 01

  Just if, if there's something you want to listen to as you go to sleep, you can say, turn off after 10 minutes.

• 9:04Chris Williamson?

  Right, yeah.

• 9:05Speaker 01

  Depending on how tired you are, you estimate.

• 9:06Chris Williamson?

  I, I don't know whether you can say that you use that quite a lot because you're not using it at max any more than once a day.

• 9:14Speaker 01

  That's true. It's capped, isn't it? I, I don't, I don't go to sleep more than once a day.

• 9:19Chris Williamson?

  Sometimes I just go to sleep three times a day. So I get to use the sleep timer.

• 9:24Jonny?

  But you're using it maybe seven times a week, let's say.

• 9:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. You're right. If, if, when you're so excited about a feature that you're like altering your Dianal.

• 9:36Speaker 01

  So that you can use it more.

• 9:39Speaker 01

  That's when you know Apple have like knocked it out of the park.

• 9:41Chris Williamson?

  Really got you. Uh, okay. So mine, my, my first one, one that I've been meaning to talk about for a while, which is how to hide a tag on Instagram stories. So you may have seen people do this before that, you can write up, everyone will know, you can tag other users on your Instagram stories that permits that user to repost the story, or it just alerts them that they've been tagged in it. But a lot of the time, especially if you're trying to get another call to action out, like a swipe up or a DM me or an access poll. People, the open loop of, oh, that's a new person, just distracts people from what you're trying to get them to do. So I guess it stems from a principle that I've relied

• 10:22Chris Williamson?

  on a lot with trying to drive traffic from my Instagram, which is to only have one clickable or actionable thing per story. So if you are doing something that involves trying to get people to swipe up and it's got other users in it, feel free to tag them, but get it off the screen. And the way to do that is to write out the tags. And then if you press on the text with one finger, and then you can swipe to make it smaller, everyone will know how to do that. But if you move that first finger across to the edge of the screen, and just keep making the text smaller, because the return curve is exponential, eventually it just flies off the edge of the screen. So it's no longer visible, it's no longer clickable, but it retains the tag, it still does the notification, it still

• 11:05Chris Williamson?

  allows the other person to repost. And you can actually get away with doing, I think you can max out on 10 tags. I don't tend to spam tag on stories, but let's say this week, an episode with Ryan Holiday went up. So that's Ryan Holiday, Daily Stoic, Penguin, Random House, Profile Books, Portfolio Books, Modern Wisdom Life, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I can do all of that, throw it across onto the far side, and just have one swipe up. They'll all get a notification, which might encourage them to repost, or at least say, hey, I'm doing some work over here. And the user or the viewer is not going to be distracted from that. It's like, everyone should use it.

• 11:43Speaker 01

  One call to action per story. So if you are going to tag someone and you want them to click on the profile, just have that centrally.

• 11:50Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, for sure. Especially if you're going to try and drive traffic to someone as like a, I recently do a photo shoot with Dean, and I want to drive some traffic to Dean because thank you for the photo shoot. Like, new shot from at Dean Hindman, whatever it might be.

• 12:05Jonny?

  So is that when, because we'll sometimes get tagged in something where, you know, it's like someone offering you Instagram subscribers or something and that there's like loads of tags in the image. Is that what they're doing?

• 12:14Chris Williamson?

  Image or story?

• 12:16Jonny?

  Story.

• 12:17Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 12:18Jonny?

  Right.

• 12:19Chris Williamson?

  Um, I mean, you could go through the, like, the classic year 11, need to get my word count up hack of writing loads of text in and then turning the text the same color as the screen. You know, like turning all of the text white. So then when you run the word count, it actually says like two and a half thousand words. So you could go-

• 12:37Speaker 01

  It's quite advanced for year 11.

• 12:38Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, I know, I know. Well, I went to Stockton and Grangefield six form mates, so-

• 12:44Speaker 01

  We learn how to circumvent all the rules in the most like-

• 12:47Jonny?

  All the black hat tactics.

• 12:48Chris Williamson?

  When half the girls in your class are pregnant, you grow up fast.

• 12:54Speaker 01

  Is that gonna make it into the trailer?

• 12:58Chris Williamson?

  Probably. Okay, so nutritional yeast, iOS 14 backtap and hide tag on Instagram stories. Can we also, just as a footnote to iOS 14, say, do not, I repeat, do not upgrade your iOS until it is fully released. And even then, my advice would be to wait at least two weeks after release.

• 13:22Jonny?

  So this has happened to me before where Yusuf tried to enroll me in the Scooby Pyramid Scheme.

• 13:27Chris Williamson?

  The multi-level marketing that is.

• 13:29Jonny?

  The MLM. So Yusuf's on the beta- So funny stories attached to that. Right, you're on the beta scheme for like iOS for Mac and the new, like whatever it is, Mac OS.

• 13:42Speaker 01

  I was, yeah. And I've, I've learned the lesson that Chris had just mentioned there, the hard way. Because I think everyone's like, oh, don't use beta on your primary device. And I was like, ah, excited about it. But the beta, like, it's really unstable, like, to the point where you can't use your spacebar because it just crashes, the computer just turns it off. So-

• 14:06Chris Williamson?

  Didn't you have to adapt your typing for a very long time?

• 14:09Speaker 01

  I had to just keep space on the clipboard and just do Ctrl V every time I wanted to space. But then that becomes muscle memory. And then when you update the proper one, you end up just pasting random characters.

• 14:23Jonny?

  So that was that was Mac OS now.

• 14:26Speaker 01

  I've I've done iOS beta as well, but if you want to use your phone less and you want a really buggy phone that crashes all the time, be my guest, get iOS 15 beta.

• 14:37Jonny?

  Or just get Android.

• 14:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:39Chris Williamson?

  You'll never be able to use it.

• 14:42Jonny?

  Take them just think, you know what, it's not worth it.

• 14:43Chris Williamson?

  Piece of shit. Right, Johnny, what you got?

• 14:46Jonny?

  So mine's also related to the new iOS, which is, so everyone's probably seen the shortcuts thing that appeared on iOS, like probably the last update. So you, Yusuf knows what I mean. You know what I mean?

• 15:01Speaker 01

  So you can have shortcuts on your home screen to say like pay a specific person or play a specific audiobook or whatever.

• 15:07Jonny?

  Perform a specific set of actions like a, so I now have my home screen as like a couple of shortcuts. So one is turn on low power mode. It's a single button, turn on low power mode. Today's forecast in Omni focus, capture something in Omni focus or call backer. Those are like the, so like I sat and really thought about this. I was like, what are the things that when I pick up my phone? I normally am about to do and then end up on Reddit or Instagram for 20 minutes. I was like, well, it's probably those like those key things. So those are the key things on the on the homepage. And then beneath that is just screen time. So it's just like, here's what you came to do. Don't be a dick.

• 15:50Chris Williamson?

  Here's how much of an asshole you are.

• 15:54Jonny?

  And then the second screen is is apps that have a specific like benefit. And then everything else is just in the app library. So you won't have seen this, Chris, but all apps are now just put in the the library. So you have to search for something if you want it to be, if you want to actually find it.

• 16:11Speaker 01

  I love your idea of having screen time on the on the homepage, just a constant guilting reminder.

• 16:18Jonny?

  Hmm. But the shortcuts thing, like you can really get into it, can't you? There's a lot of stuff you can do with, like I've I've gone very, very basic, like the pre-made ones from the specific apps. But you can design your own essentially.

• 16:31Chris Williamson?

  That's good. I haven't even seen, I don't know where I've been. I just feel like this whole iOS 14's passed me by. When did it get released? How long ago?

• 16:39Jonny?

  Like a week or two ago?

• 16:43Jonny?

  Normally Yusuf asks me within like three to four hours whether I've upgraded to it or not.

• 16:48Speaker 01

  That's me being patient. I'm like, I'll give him a couple of hours.

• 16:52Chris Williamson?

  John, eh? John, eh?

• 16:54Jonny?

  I think I had to actually go and start the update though. Like, you know, normally you get notifications saying your phone will update between 2am and 5am. Mine didn't do it for this.

• 17:04Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, mine neither. I'm actually, I've just done it there. I've set it away downloading. How long has this gone?

• 17:09Jonny?

  Oh, man, it's brilliant. I think it's one of the best OS upgrades they've done recently. Just that, just customization. Because like suddenly you can turn your phone into something that you would prefer it to be rather than just, I can't move iMessage.

• 17:25Speaker 01

  So I'm anticipating all the Android users commenting on this podcast.

• 17:30Chris Williamson?

  We've had those widgets since 2014. Yeah, but I don't want to use an Android. It's awful.

• 17:38Jonny?

  It's like, you know, like people who ride bikes being all smoke when petrol prices go up. It's like, yeah, but you can only cycle as fast as you can cycle because I've got an engine.

• 17:49Chris Williamson?

  Nice. Yeah. Seth, what you got?

• 17:53Speaker 01

  Having a default fallback activity. So you know, when there's moments in the day where you're just on standby mode and you're just like.

• 18:02Jonny?

  In a holding.

• 18:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, just in a holding pattern. And the amount of time that you're just on that standby mode, like some people use it to scroll their phone, some people stare at the wall. If you have a default one, then you've instantly like overcome resistance to things that you normally would never get done. So my fallback activity for this month is clearing my like messy downloads folder. You know, like all the stuff that just gets bunged in there and it's like it's from four years ago, it's not relevant. Or like photos on your phone that you've taken from holiday and you haven't sorted yet. You could do it with reading, do it with meditating. Meditating is a bit of a hard

• 18:45Speaker 01

  one because it's quite a like resource intensive activity. You want something that's like low effort, like clearing a folder or tidying a wardrobe or something that's just like a big project that you can just chip away at in those dead moments.

• 18:59Chris Williamson?

  I thought you were gonna say handstands.

• 19:02Speaker 01

  Oh, handstands would be great as well.

• 19:03Chris Williamson?

  But you do, you spontaneously invert all the time.

• 19:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, I suppose actually, yeah, it's an unconscious one. Like if the kettle's boiling or whatever, I'll just be like, just hold a handstand for as long as it takes to boil the kettle.

• 19:17Jonny?

  Try not to fall onto the kettle.

• 19:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, disaster.

• 19:20Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, you did. There's been a couple of times where you've done it with like, all of us will have our laptops out on the floor around you. There'll happen to be a bunch of mousetraps in the corner and there's a slowly counting down atomic bomb over the far side and it worked.

• 19:39Jonny?

  If you can do it with the stakes of that high though.

• 19:41Chris Williamson?

  Piece of piss. I really like that. I really like that fallback activity thing, man, like.

• 19:47Speaker 01

  Have you got any other ideas on like what, what else you could?

• 19:50Chris Williamson?

  So I think reading, like having a Kindle on you at all times. This is Tim Ferriss's, one of Tim Ferriss's number one hacks and Ryan Holiday's as well for increasing your reading, is to have something to read with you at all times. Like you can't read what isn't there, obviously, and a Kindle makes it more convenient for that. So just having it on your desk and opening it up, you know, you could chip away and probably fit another book in a month just in spare time. Now, it would have to be something like the Almanac of Naval Ravikant, which you could pick up and put down, something like The Psychology of Money by Morgan Housel. Again, like short, perhaps more aphoristic stuff, or just fiction that you're not really that arsed about, like linking all of the key concepts together.

• 20:34Chris Williamson?

  But that would be great. I was just thinking about how much buffering time I have to let.

• 20:42Chris Williamson?

  Like just sit and wait, like exporting, exporting audio files for this show. It's like a two minute job to get it out of garage band, a two minute job to master it, a two minute job to upload it. And in each of those, I just immediately default to the path of least resistance and the most sort of convenient, immediately gratifying thing, which tends to be, ah, I'll send a tweet or I'll go on YouTube, I'll do this thing. And that two minutes expands out into five or 10, and then I got to go back and then it's another two, five or 10, and then another two. And I'm like fucking half an hour to do a six minute job.

• 21:18Speaker 01

  So, so dangerous. So actually, like, we already all have fallback behaviors, but when we're not conscious about them, like, yeah, for, for me, if it's like checking a, inbox or messages or something, and then, yeah, you're just suddenly down the rabbit hole.

• 21:32Jonny?

  I think that might be the best life hack either of the.

• 21:35Chris Williamson?

  I think that, I think that really could be. So what would you, let's try and think of a way that we can trigger it a little bit more for people. Like, is it as you check your phone, as you've noticed that you're doing something, put it down and go to something else? Cause you need the impetus, right?

• 21:51Jonny?

  Sorry. I thought, I thought you stopped. I was just trying to like pull those.

• 21:55Chris Williamson?

  No, no, no. Tell me.

• 21:56Jonny?

  So the use of thing about checking in boxes, that that's definitely my, um, like, if I've got, if there's like a gap in something, like specifically email, I'm terrible with email. I have no control over email. Email has full control over me.

• 22:09Speaker 01

  But it's totally like mindless. Like, I'm like, oh, check if I haven't got an email in the last 34 seconds. You're like, why is that a helpful pattern?

• 22:19Jonny?

  So I suppose, so what I've done on my Mac is I just have cold turkey, just emails just blocked 100% of the time.

• 22:25Speaker 01

  And then. Cold turkey is great. It just knocks it out of your.

• 22:29Jonny?

  Well, so it just has notification in the top right, just going, ah, ah, I remember. But then it's, it started tracking how many times it blocks an app on a day. And it's honestly, it's embarrassing.

• 22:40Chris Williamson?

  How many times does it block you trying to access your own email?

• 22:43Jonny?

  30 to 40 times the first time I turned it on. Think, just really think about that. Like that, how long, had I been allowed to do what I wanted to do there, how long I would have spent on email?

• 22:55Chris Williamson?

  Presuming it was at least two minutes per time.

• 22:58Jonny?

  Minimum.

• 22:59Speaker 01

  What I love about it is that it quits it before it even has a chance to open. It's like you go and reach your hand into the pizza box and it just.

• 23:07Jonny?

  But so if you have, if you find, so as you said, like, everyone already has that, right? Like, whether it's on your phone or on your laptop or any device. So if you find what the thing is, try and block it. And then when you go to do that, that's, that's the reminder.

• 23:20Chris Williamson?

  Why?

• 23:20Jonny?

  When you go to open the app.

• 23:21Chris Williamson?

  Why do you? Why would you sit around buffering, waiting on your email inbox?

• 23:30Chris Williamson?

  Why would that be a, a time for a fallback activity for you, Johnny?

• 23:34Jonny?

  So it would be like if I'm uploading something or Siri's going again. It's always when I'm speaking to you guys that Siri activates.

• 23:42Chris Williamson?

  Just wants to be a part of the show, man.

• 23:44Jonny?

  So weird. Um, it like even things like if there's a, a loading time on the thing I'm doing. Or if I like, so Screenflow is a big one. Um, if I'm like waiting for something to export or upload, even if it's like four or five minutes. I know that's probably not what you're referring to.

• 24:04Chris Williamson?

  No, no, no, I, that's, that's, that's what I mean. I'm just trying to work out sort of why or where people are going to be able to find these moments. But it definitely identifies the fact that our threshold for boredom has been lowered by so much that even a 30 second wait is unbearable.

• 24:26Speaker 01

  And that's, that's so recent. Like, I remember when we were teenagers and you'd have to like go to take something to the post office for your mum or whatever. And you'd be standing in the queue and you would just be like staring at the checkout for 25 minutes while Doris picks out her pennies and um, gets the, gets the travel money transferred and all that, and it was just fine.

• 24:48Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 24:48Chris Williamson?

  Being on the bus, man, like taking a bus when you were a kid. It's so, it's, what's even more bizarre is that there are people listening to this show right now who are so young that they've never grown up without technology and literally don't know that there was a world only 10 years ago that wasn't like this.

• 25:12Speaker 01

  People would go to a cafe and just drink a coffee.

• 25:16Jonny?

  Just sit there.

• 25:17Chris Williamson?

  Like, like a psychopath.

• 25:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's it. Now people are like, oh, he's a psychopath.

• 25:22Jonny?

  Absolutely lunatic. The thing that's weird for me is thinking that probably like 99, maybe not quite that. I think there was one year of school life where Facebook existed.

• 25:36Chris Williamson?

  It was the first year that I went to uni, it's 2006 and you needed to have a university email address.

• 25:42Jonny?

  To get on it. So I was slightly after that, so I think it was 2007 for me when I set up my profile, which was my final year of school. And like, it was such early adoption that, you know, like you were tagged in a photo and it's like, bravo, brilliant, you know, how novel this is. Whereas now, like, if you look at people's screen time on just those devices, especially people of that age and how long they've spent on those devices by the time they're, but I mean, what this is.

• 26:06Chris Williamson?

  We're going, we're going, we're going down.

• 26:09Jonny?

  But so the, like, another sign of that, I think, especially really trying to work, if that keeps happening, if you keep like defaulting back to your default activities, probably a sign that just like, take, take 10 minutes. You know, like, it's, it's your mind just resisting the thing that you're doing.

• 26:27Chris Williamson?

  I love that, man.

• 26:28Jonny?

  I've never really thought about that before though, Yusuf. That's a, like, everyone just has this, like, thing they consistently do. It's usually pointless.

• 26:35Speaker 01

  It's so insidious because we, we don't think about it and it just sneaks up.

• 26:39Chris Williamson?

  Well, it's more like, it's more like your baseline activity. It's just what you do when you're not doing another thing, which used to be existing, but now is TikTok or fucking people that are like pathologically addicted to doing Sudoku or whatever.

• 26:56Speaker 01

  Wow. It, it's, it's a downgrade, isn't it? You say it used to be existing and now it's something that's, I think, worse than existing.

• 27:03Chris Williamson?

  I agree. Uh, mine, my next one, which I totally forgotten, didn't even write down, totally links in with yours, which is never take your phone to the toilet.

• 27:13Speaker 01

  There we go.

• 27:13Chris Williamson?

  Really easy way to just reduce your screen time and an even better thing to do, which is, you guys have been in my house, you'll know this, all of the bathrooms that you've got in your house, just have, have some.

• 27:23Speaker 01

  Plumbed into hot water. For anyone that doesn't know, the water that comes through Chris's toilet is piping hot.

• 27:36Jonny?

  It's kettle hot, isn't it?

• 27:37Chris Williamson?

  Well, the people, the people that built the extension on the side of my house previously got the cold and hot water plumbed wrong into the toilet, which means that when you flush it, boiling hot water comes through the toilet, which means that it's the cleanest toilet I've ever seen, obviously.

• 27:55Speaker 01

  True.

• 27:55Chris Williamson?

  But it's also the most expensive toilet because it triggers the boiler every time that you flush. But yeah, the best hack for that, have a couple of books, like again, easy pick-me-up, putty-downy type things or do whatever. But if you have a couple of areas, and this expands out into a wider strategy about having no phone zones within your house. So I have a strict now, trying to make it stricter, no phones in the bedroom rule. So if I want to use my phone, I have to go in the kitchen to use it. There is nothing, unless you're Windows and Android, in which case, like, sorry, but there is really nothing that you can do on your phone that you can't do on your computer. Instagram, you can do, even just through the web app, instagram.com, you can go on your

• 28:39Chris Williamson?

  direct messages through there, you can do most of the things you need to, WhatsApp web, iMessage, email, Twitter for desktop, messenger.com for Facebook, you can do all of the shit that you do on your phone without any of the compulsive binging and bonging and the terrible posture that you get from it. So yeah, like no-go zones for your phone, and specifically the easiest one for that to start with is just leave the phone wherever you are when you go to the bathroom, because it turns a two-minute movement into a 10-minute phone hole scroll.

• 29:14Speaker 01

  And you've, you've created like a better alternative in your toilet, like you've got lots of kind of dippy in books, like easy books to just.

• 29:22Jonny?

  Dip in the hot water.

• 29:23Chris Williamson?

  Dip in the hot water, yeah. Right, Jonny, what you got?

• 29:28Jonny?

  Just something, just quickly just to attach that, someone that I was speaking to recently said they only allow themselves to check social media for five minutes after a meal. So he knows that it's only gonna happen three to four times a day, and he has a, like, that's just his habit. So like, the rule is, if I've not just eaten, I'm not allowed on social media. Hard thing to stick to.

• 29:49Chris Williamson?

  Can you see how that might end up being a perverse incentive there?

• 29:54Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 29:55Chris Williamson?

  Get huge.

• 29:56Jonny?

  You can always rig the game, can't you? But then you just never use your bedroom to sleep.

• 30:01Chris Williamson?

  Or never go to the toilet.

• 30:02Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 30:04Speaker 01

  What's the guy called Stephen Covey, is it the one who wrote Freakonomics?

• 30:08Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 30:09Speaker 01

  He was trying to train his daughter to use the potty. And he was like, I'll create an incentive, which is you get an M and M, a peanut M and M every time you use the potty properly. I mean, Johnny would hate that, but um.

• 30:23Jonny?

  Kill me.

• 30:23Speaker 01

  This would, and and so she she got really good at it really quickly, but he said she ended up getting so good that she would go over, do like a drop of wee and then come back and be like. And it's like, ah, damn.

• 30:35Jonny?

  Dogs do stuff like this.

• 30:36Chris Williamson?

  Bastards.

• 30:37Jonny?

  That's I've you observe that behaviour in dogs constantly. Where I like, if you treat them as a reward, they figure out like the minimum activity to require the treat.

• 30:48Speaker 01

  Clever.

• 30:48Jonny?

  Very clever.

• 30:49Chris Williamson?

  Dick.

• 30:49Jonny?

  Can I having, can I having little things?

• 30:51Speaker 01

  Johnny.

• 30:51Jonny?

  Um, so.

• 30:53Chris Williamson?

  Blobson.

• 30:55Jonny?

  B L O B.

• 30:57Chris Williamson?

  Jonathan.

• 31:00Jonny?

  This is quite a new one for me. Um, but it's the Chili Pad.

• 31:05Chris Williamson?

  Did you buy one?

• 31:07Jonny?

  I did.

• 31:07Chris Williamson?

  Shit the bed. Have you forced Becca to use it?

• 31:10Jonny?

  Uh, so there was like a long, very serious conversation about whether we were going to buy the double or the single and I bought the single. But she she generally doesn't get too hot in in like generally I'm hot at night. And generally she isn't, she's the opposite, which obviously creates a mismatch. Um, but basically for anyone who doesn't know what that is, it is a water cooled mattress topper. So there's a unit that sits to the side of your bed. Um, which you pour water in, it cools the water and then pumps the water through little pipes in the mattress. And you can set the temperature. And the theory is it makes you sleep deeper. And obviously, like, if you feel hot, wake up hot at night, it it solves that problem.

• 31:55Jonny?

  Um, so far.

• 31:59Jonny?

  Noticeable improvement, which is cool.

• 32:01Chris Williamson?

  Based on just anecdotal, I feel more rested, based on HRV and some stats from your app?

• 32:09Jonny?

  Tracked sleep data, yeah. So it hasn't changed REM at all, it hasn't changed wake up times at all, but it has like bumped my deep sleep up by like thirty percent.

• 32:21Chris Williamson?

  What about time to sleep, the latency, has it improved that?

• 32:23Jonny?

  I mean, my latency is ridiculous. It's like three minutes.

• 32:27Chris Williamson?

  Really?

• 32:28Jonny?

  Yeah, like I am, I get into bed and I'm out.

• 32:31Chris Williamson?

  That's such a classic big guy thing to do, isn't it? Like everyone over six foot and ninety kilos is able to fall asleep, yeah, able to fall asleep, supported by their own weight. And they don't, the head doesn't drop either, they're just like that.

• 32:45Jonny?

  Yeah, it's just standby, just immediate standby mode, yeah. But it's cool, like it's expensive, for like four hundred and fifty quid.

• 32:55Chris Williamson?

  For a single?

• 32:56Jonny?

  For a single.

• 32:57Speaker 01

  The difference between, or what do they claim the difference is between using a thin weighted blanket and having a cooling thing underneath you?

• 33:08Jonny?

  A thin weighted blanket?

• 33:10Speaker 01

  So, because presumably you still have a quilt, but that's more for the pressure sensation than the heat.

• 33:15Jonny?

  Well, no, it's to keep.

• 33:18Speaker 01

  It's not making me lose too much heat.

• 33:21Jonny?

  So you're saying, why not just use a thinner mattress?

• 33:24Chris Williamson?

  Dispense with the duvet rather than pay for the?

• 33:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, question one would be, why not do that? But then the answer usually is, I want some kind of pressure sensation, like we're adapted to have pressure on us when we sleep. So then the next solution is, well, have something that's weighted but thin.

• 33:44Jonny?

  Yeah, so I think, I think the problem you're solving there is separate. So this is, most people who don't have an air conditioning unit can't achieve the temperature that the chilli pad creates in their bedroom. So like even with window open, you probably would find that the room was warmer, especially if there's like two people sleeping in the room. You'd probably find the room was warmer than the temperature you ended up sleeping on.

• 34:10Chris Williamson?

  What temperature have you gone for?

• 34:12Jonny?

  It's like 16 degrees.

• 34:14Chris Williamson?

  That's cold, fucking hell.

• 34:15Jonny?

  Yeah. Yeah. So I have woken up one time and then that's when you realise like 3am, you're like, fucking hell, I am cold here. Like to the point where I'm maybe gonna have to turn it off. But if you get back to sleep again, it is just like, you're just like out.

• 34:33Chris Williamson?

  Have you, can you feel the pipes at all? Obviously, people might think I have a really nice bed. I don't want to interact with the way that it feels when I lie down.

• 34:42Jonny?

  So some people complain that you can. I can't personally. Like they're very, they're very, very small. It's like the Princess and the pea thing, isn't it? Like, I suppose it's how sensitive you are to what you're lying on, but I I can't feel it personally.

• 34:57Speaker 01

  And I think if you can, just gain a few kilos of muscle and.

• 35:00Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 35:01Chris Williamson?

  propanefitness.com/calibrate.

• 35:03Speaker 01

  There we go.

• 35:06Chris Williamson?

  Can you not, can you not get the Chili Pad double and then only turn one half of it on? Is that not one of the settings that they have?

• 35:13Jonny?

  You can. Yeah.

• 35:14Chris Williamson?

  But Becca's argument was, I'm never going to need my side, therefore why waste the money on my side?

• 35:19Jonny?

  I think she thought like, it's expensive. It's a problem. I don't feel like I have, so I'm not just gonna spend the money for sake of it.

• 35:24Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 35:26Speaker 01

  What about having two single duvets? So she has a thick one and you have a thin one.

• 35:30Chris Williamson?

  Seth, please.

• 35:32Jonny?

  I think.

• 35:32Speaker 01

  Scandinavian style.

• 35:33Jonny?

  So what, what, what your method, so your method's great for like, my room is, my room is the right temperature, but the blanket is causing me to be too hot. So remove the blanket or get a thin blanket that creates the same feeling of being wrapped.

• 35:48Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 35:49Jonny?

  But that unless your room is cold enough, which may, maybe it is, but I think most people, it isn't. Then you'd need like a cooling device. So option one is an air conditioning unit, which are incredibly expensive. Option two is a local air conditioning unit, which is a bed jet that plugs into the bottom of your bed. Option three is a chili pad.

• 36:10Speaker 01

  Nice. I think also the the regulating aspect of it's quite useful because I like my room hot at night, freezing by one AM until six AM and then it gets hot again just because of the way the windows are and so on. So having something to normalize it would be good.

• 36:29Jonny?

  So I suppose the way you normalize is by you need a black, you need a duvet on and then you set the temperature that you are in the duvet. And the theory is, is it takes the like, obviously, one of the feelings that probably before how as you wake up and like your mattress feels hot. You know, you get into a bed and it like the pillow is cold and the mattress goes quite a nice feeling. So it takes the, obviously, you're heating the water in the chili pad, which is then taken back into the unit and then cooled and then circulated back in again. So you you do find that like, you don't feel like you change. It's quite a weird thing to describe, but like the bed always feels like you've just got into it.

• 37:04Chris Williamson?

  Do you need to change the water every night?

• 37:06Jonny?

  No.

• 37:07Chris Williamson?

  How often?

• 37:08Jonny?

  Like once every four weeks.

• 37:10Chris Williamson?

  Okay, yeah, that's that's that's a nice low level of friction.

• 37:13Jonny?

  It's like a bit annoying. It's like, oh, here we go. Is this, is that time of the month again where I need to empty my chili pad? But.

• 37:20Chris Williamson?

  It's charging the electric toothbrush, isn't it? It's something that you use every single day. It's a good advantage to you. Like you paid a ton for it, so you might as well.

• 37:29Jonny?

  Yeah, you've got to maintain it. It also makes like a white noise sound, not by design, like, or by design, as in the noise of the fan just creates a nice like,

• 37:42Jonny?

  that sort of thing.

• 37:43Chris Williamson?

  Good impression.

• 37:43Jonny?

  Good.

• 37:44Chris Williamson?

  Skoney, what you got? Oh, actually, do you want to tell us what the Skoney 2020, can we interlude to the the problem that you had this year?

• 37:53Speaker 01

  I I think we can. It's like, it's actually not a problem that I've had, but I thought it's the most Skoney 2020 thing that you'll have ever heard.

• 37:59Chris Williamson?

  What's the, before we start, what's the elevator pitch? Just the architecture of a Skoby problem?

• 38:05Speaker 01

  I think it's it's a, in fact, I think you guys will be able to define this better than I can.

• 38:11Jonny?

  So it's wanting to avoid financial outlay or inconvenience, like to rock the boat for other people. So looking for a slightly off the beaten track strategy to achieve that. And in doing so, creating a larger financial outlay in the long term or more rocking off the boat.

• 38:28Speaker 01

  I think it's, yeah, it's maybe even wider than that, which is like trying to optimize something and creating a self-created problem.

• 38:35Chris Williamson?

  There's a couple of limbs added on to the Skony problem, which include FOMO and novelty. And they're the compounders, so they're the multipliers.

• 38:44Speaker 01

  If software, terrible, such a sucker for novel software.

• 38:48Chris Williamson?

  So everyone, everyone has a friend that's like this, it's fucking awful when you do that on the show and you're like, no, you go, no, you go. It's, everyone's got a friend who's like this, who's like, they'll decide to go 50% of the way there to a complete solution to their problem in an effort to try and save 90% of the cost, but end up causing 10 times the problem. Like giving it to your mate Baz, Baz can MOT it, I don't need to go to Quickfit, then the car breaks down as you're on your way to Manchester.

• 39:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then, but you've not got cover.

• 39:24Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, you didn't get cover.

• 39:25Speaker 01

  Premium Platinum account.

• 39:27Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, no, because the Yemeni bank that you bank with via Starling through the Monzo server has decided that they're going to close all of the, all of the call centers.

• 39:38Speaker 01

  Oh, God.

• 39:39Jonny?

  Taking your iPhone screen to Timson's to get repaired, they do it on the cheap. Then you take your phone to Apple and it breaks again, and then Apple say the warranty's invalid.

• 39:47Chris Williamson?

  Yes, yes, that's exactly it.

• 39:49Jonny?

  Now you need a new iPhone.

• 39:50Speaker 01

  That's, that's perfect. So the, what it is, is that my brother called me the other day.

• 39:59Speaker 01

  And said, Yusuf, credit card is a scam. I'm like, what do you mean? He was like, there's no such, you never signed a contract for a credit card. You just signed an application. So when they send you their invoice, it's not an invoice, it's a statement and you don't have to pay them at all. I'm gonna send you these letters that my friends dug out of the archives. It's like the loopholes for credit cards. And what you can do, and is what I'm doing right now, as in what he's doing, I'm not doing it, is you can trademark your name in capital letters. So that when people use, when they try and invoice you, you can charge them, or you can fine them for using your trademark.

• 40:46Chris Williamson?

  What's the outcome of this situation been?

• 40:49Speaker 01

  To, well, he's, he's just starting with it. And obviously I've been like-

• 40:52Chris Williamson?

  Oh, we're mid, we're mid Scobie problem here.

• 40:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. He set up a trading account as well. And I've advised him, like, look, Doug, because he's, oh, but you've got to risk big to win big. I'm like, I'm telling you, bro.

• 41:03Chris Williamson?

  The guy with the gambling problem.

• 41:05Speaker 01

  This is not how it, this is not how it works.

• 41:08Jonny?

  So is he trying to just never pay his credit card? Is that the, is that the outcome?

• 41:13Speaker 01

  I think he's, he's just in a perma loop of like, how can I find that? I mean, yeah, how can I find a way out of this?

• 41:21Chris Williamson?

  Do you think that the Scobie, the Scobie architecture might be genetic?

• 41:26Speaker 01

  I think so. I've, I've got the most of a handle on it out of all of my family.

• 41:29Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, which is, which is absolutely impressive.

• 41:34Chris Williamson?

  Actually, except for your mum, your mum is so anti Scobie problem.

• 41:39Speaker 01

  She's analog. Yeah. I mean, all mums are, aren't they?

• 41:41Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 41:42Jonny?

  I think, I think she sees, she sees right through it. Maybe I'm wrong, but I get the impression that you'd present her with the Scobie strategy. It would create a Scobie problem and she'd say, I wouldn't recommend that.

• 41:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, all, all mums are just like, look, just, I'll go and buy the can of Dulux paint and I'll paint it myself. Like, just-

• 42:02Chris Williamson?

  I don't think my mum would do that. My mum would, would go to Billingham Town Centre to the one remaining boys that's still open there, because they do curtain hooks for 99 pence. Whereas if you go to Asda, they're £2.50.

• 42:16Speaker 01

  Right. Have you seen, so I, I saw an episode of South Park the other day, which is- Very, yeah, very unusual for me, but it was about Bezos and um the the workers at Amazon and they go on strike and then people have to go into the the shopping mall. And it's like this barren area where like the people who work in the shopping mall are just like these zombies that are, you know, kind of post apocalyptic thinking, hello, what would you like? And and it's so you you look at it and you're like, oh, this is savage, but actually like, and then, oh, I'm looking for some, I'm looking for some stuff. And they're like, would you like a fragrance, some shoes perhaps? And he's like, no, no, I want some quite specific stuff. And they go, oh, I'm sorry, we don't have the inventory in the high street for that kind of thing.

• 43:01Speaker 01

  And you you see just the crumble of high street stores just encapsulated in it. I think the writers are very smart.

• 43:08Jonny?

  They've just. When you drive past an Amazon warehouse.

• 43:11Chris Williamson?

  They're pretty big, aren't they?

• 43:12Jonny?

  You see that and you're like, like that is one of like ten in the UK, I'm guessing, something like that, maybe more. You know, wow, they've got, that's a big building. They'll have loads of stuff. I bet they've got a chili pad in there.

• 43:27Chris Williamson?

  They've got thousands. They've just released, South Park have just done a Covid episode, an hour long coronavirus special that aired in America. I don't know where it would be, perhaps if you've got Comedy Central, it might still be getting aired on that, if you've got like the Now TV or whatever. Um but they just did a one hour special and um like the school gets a whole bunch of new teachers who've just recently been released from their jobs. And then just a bunch of cops turn up all wearing masks and then they're trying to get the kids to start finger painting. The kids get rowdy, so the cops unload guns on the class and the only one that they hit is Token.

• 44:05Speaker 01

  What's Token?

• 44:06Chris Williamson?

  The black kid.

• 44:07Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 44:08Chris Williamson?

  It's so heavy, so, yeah, and you just think like, how have they got away with this?

• 44:15Speaker 01

  It's because they've got the disclaimer at the start that says should not be viewed by anyone. It's.

• 44:20Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 44:21Speaker 01

  So, um, because obviously Trump has just tested positive and

• 44:26Chris Williamson?

  He's in hospital.

• 44:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. So, so Anton posted saying he's faking it. So did Boris. And you think like, okay, I really respect Anton's views, but like man, man who has to takes no precautions about global infection gets ill, like

• 44:43Chris Williamson?

  Seventy five year old with thirty BMI of thirty contracts global pandemic after visiting thousands of people across one country.

• 44:52Speaker 01

  And mocking people not

• 44:53Chris Williamson?

  Not wearing masks.

• 44:54Speaker 01

  People wearing masks and Boris, like I'm sure you've seen the one where they like spliced the video together where he's like, well, I have no problem shaking hands and I've been shaking. I went to the hospital the other day and I shook hands with every single patient. And you're like, oh, well.

• 45:08Jonny?

  Don't do that, mate.

• 45:09Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, come on.

• 45:10Jonny?

  Like, come on.

• 45:10Chris Williamson?

  Fucking in charge of the country. Right. Okay. My, my, my, my next one, I haven't put this on here yet, but it has appeared on the three minute Monday newsletter. If you're not signed up, go to chriswillx.com/lifethacks. Nestle Lindal's Kavag. So it is technically, technically flavored quark cheese.

• 45:31Speaker 01

  This comes up every life hacks, I'm sure.

• 45:35Jonny?

  Well, yeah.

• 45:36Chris Williamson?

  Who knows? Who knows the entire backlog and who claims that this always happens? You do. And then off camera, we always go, no, we didn't actually cover that one before. Um, so we've done skier. Nestle Lindal's Kavag is upgraded skier. So you've seen the macros on the back of this thing. It's essentially no carbs, no fat and 18 grams of protein. Tastes like a thick, nice yogurt and costs about 80 pence per pot. It's fucking phenomenal. Comes in a whole bunch of flavors. My favorite one's the white chocolate. They also do ones with tiny little chocolate sprinkles in.

• 46:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, Mike gets that one.

• 46:17Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, it's legit, man. Like it's such an easy hack. Everyone on the planet just needs a little bit more protein. Like even Phil Heath needs just a little bit more protein and this, just have one after each meal. And there you go. Across the day, across the day, that's cost you two pounds 50, but you've gained 60 grams of protein.

• 46:40Jonny?

  Was it you who, who said, is it isy, isy skier?

• 46:43Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 46:44Jonny?

  Was that you?

• 46:44Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 46:45Jonny?

  So I bought some of those as use for window leaking.

• 46:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, but.

• 46:52Chris Williamson?

  Your window's leaking.

• 46:54Speaker 01

  It's just slightly open. I'll, I'll close it, but I don't want to ruin the flow.

• 46:58Jonny?

  They're not the, the yogurt chat, um, or the quark chat. But yeah, so I, I bought some of those this week for the first time. And they are, I just can't believe how nice they are.

• 47:08Chris Williamson?

  It's just quality.

• 47:09Jonny?

  Yeah. Like the fact that it's like, well, I think it's, it's, it's tasting it. And then you, the first thing I did was like, check that I bought the right ones. And then check the macros and then.

• 47:21Chris Williamson?

  This must have more sugar in than it, than it says. Yeah.

• 47:23Jonny?

  Like this is so for like a, like basically a zero fat product. This is so creamy.

• 47:27Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 47:28Jonny?

  How they achieved that.

• 47:29Chris Williamson?

  Have you tried this quag that I'm talking about, Johnny?

• 47:32Jonny?

  No, I've not.

• 47:33Chris Williamson?

  Oh mate, I'm fucking telling you man. I'm fucking telling you man.

• 47:39Speaker 01

  On the note of, um, misjudging the macros, Johnny has made that error once before in a critical circumstance.

• 47:47Jonny?

  I've done it quite a few times to be honest. But the time you're thinking about is when I drank two liters of vodka touch of fruit, thinking it was sugar free. On a fasting day.

• 47:58Chris Williamson?

  And how much sugar was in it?

• 47:59Jonny?

  It's like basically the same as, as like full sugar coke. Yeah.

• 48:03Speaker 01

  250 grams of carbs just.

• 48:06Jonny?

  In.

• 48:08Jonny?

  And that's the, the, again, so you're in a dark cinema. That's when I did it. So like, open the bottle. Cause I can't have any food. Cause I'm doing all the day fasting. Drink it like, wow, that's like that for water. That's brilliant. Neck the whole thing. And then when you come out afterwards, you just glance at it and you notice it doesn't say sugar free on it. And you're like, oh. So then you just go to Pizza Buffet. No, I'm joking. I, I did, but that would be there. So you said did that when he had coffee with a bit of sugar in. Didn't realise there was sugar in it and then just ate a panini. Same sort of.

• 48:43Chris Williamson?

  Catastrophic catastrophic thinking there. I'm in for a penny, in for a pound.

• 48:47Jonny?

  Yeah, alternate day fasting does. It does that too. It's by nature in or out, isn't it? You're either eating or you're not. Or shake it all about. Yeah. So Johnny.

• 48:57Chris Williamson?

  Johnny, what you got?

• 49:00Jonny?

  So this, this one.

• 49:03Jonny?

  Well. No, it's all right. It's all right. I'll do it one layer. Sleep, sleep meditation in insight timer. So there's a few like sleep specific.

• 49:14Jonny?

  Like sample sessions that are like 10 minutes long.

• 49:18Jonny?

  That are not, I don't think that is designed to be listened to while you're sleeping. It's just like an evening switch off. So I can get a specific link to the one I've tried. I've tried a couple of them. Really good. Like they're a bit woo woo. They're a bit about like connecting with the moon and all that sort of stuff, but. Like at the end of it, you notice a, I think you notice a definite difference pre, post. So do you do it for a full night's sleep or like a nap? Just like 10 minutes before bed.

• 49:47Chris Williamson?

  So you get into bed?

• 49:49Jonny?

  I'm not, not, not, not normally. No, I like. Sit like on the sofa, headphones in 10 minutes, then go to bed. Okay.

• 49:57Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 49:57Jonny?

  I'm not doing it to fall asleep. It's like an evening, like. Wipe slate clean.

• 50:03Jonny?

  There's even a visualization they get you to do where it's like, imagine. Your inbox is clear. Imagine all of your tasks.

• 50:11Jonny?

  And I just thought like, as I was listening to it, I was like, this guy knows me.

• 50:16Jonny?

  He knows the game. He knows what's going on. Yeah, it's just really good.

• 50:19Chris Williamson?

  I've noticed a lot of them. I've noticed a lot of adverts for calm. Yeah. Sleep stories. Harry Styles from like One Direction has been. I'm Harry Styles and tonight I will be telling you my sleep story.

• 50:40Chris Williamson?

  It was the local night of France's first twilight moon. Okay, Harry, I understand, mate. Fuck, Stephen Fry did one. I don't know. I don't know.

• 50:54Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 50:55Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, I'm unsure on those.

• 50:56Speaker 01

  When you find yourself as a celebrity, like, just in situations.

• 51:00Jonny?

  Yeah, how has it got to this point?

• 51:02Chris Williamson?

  Harry, yeah, mate, we've got, yeah, the guys from Calm have been on again. I know that we can't play any live shows this year. Do you, should we just say the sleep stories thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's the France one.

• 51:15Chris Williamson?

  All right. I'm Harry Styles, and this is my sleep story.

• 51:21Jonny?

  It's like when Yusuf got sold Peas's, Peas's like upsell while we were in Iceland.

• 51:27Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 51:27Jonny?

  And I remember hearing you playing it.

• 51:32Chris Williamson?

  At three times speed.

• 51:34Jonny?

  At three times speed. It's time to go to sleep now and relax. And Yusuf is supposed to be relaxing, you know, trying to get through it as quickly as possible.

• 51:42Chris Williamson?

  I could get more relaxation in in less time if I played it three times speed.

• 51:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:50Jonny?

  That was mine. Does everyone use Inside Timer? I'm guessing of the three of us.

• 51:55Speaker 01

  The best.

• 51:57Jonny?

  Tell me your recommendation, Yusuf.

• 51:58Speaker 01

  Should have bought shares in Inside Timer. See, that's where, like, buying the penny stock and it blows up.

• 52:05Jonny?

  That's probably something that could have been a Scobie problem, but it's like the, it's when that method wins, isn't it? Because everyone was using Headspace, Time and Calm and like more. That's where, yeah, that's what it's literally the, what you're doing it all for, isn't it?

• 52:20Chris Williamson?

  But this is, that is the one win from the perpetually losing gambler. Do you know what I mean? That's the win that justifies the losses.

• 52:30Speaker 01

  There's hundreds of life hacks that have worked their way in that are really good, but they've just become the normal now.

• 52:36Jonny?

  So probably Alfred was that, I imagine.

• 52:39Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 52:40Jonny?

  All these things that like Yusuf willing to put his neck on the line. And like occasionally he has a bag of birthday cake way that he's stuck with, but there's so many winners left over that it's still worth doing the strategy.

• 52:51Speaker 01

  And then you're just seen as an early adopter of something that is mainstream, like Evernote or Pocket or anything like that. Like, these are all original Scobie problems that.

• 53:00Jonny?

  Really, he's a pioneer.

• 53:02Speaker 01

  Visionary.

• 53:03Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 53:04Chris Williamson?

  Thank you, Arman. Right, what you got, Scobie?

• 53:06Speaker 01

  So, um, I can't remember if I mentioned this one before, but I'm quite big on loose leaf tea. And I know, um, Johnny has been when doing cycling out caffeine.

• 53:19Speaker 01

  Either a tea strainer or you can buy tea bags on Amazon that just have a little drawstring and are made of like sack material. And, well, not sack, like, just kind of, um, eco paper. And it's great because you just put a bit of tea in, tie the thing.

• 53:41Jonny?

  The mesh that's used in, um, like tea pigs and other things is bad, right? For some reason.

• 53:48Chris Williamson?

  Esterine.

• 53:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. So in tea pigs and like the silky tea bags that are in like the pyramid and are like really kind of, they are the worst. They release loads of nanoparticles, um, or micro particles, whatever, of plastic that just, that don't get, um, excreted. So you end up with just a buildup of estrogen in your body and you can only really, um, there's something about it being, being able to bypass liver metabolism. And so you need to kind of sweat it out.

• 54:16Chris Williamson?

  Oh, wow.

• 54:17Speaker 01

  Um, which is pretty bad. The normal tea bags have less of it. The only plastic in normal tea bags is the glue sealant they use to stick the two sides together. Um, which you may or may not be worried about. I think you've got to pick your battles with, with estrogen.

• 54:34Speaker 01

  So.

• 54:34Chris Williamson?

  Well, as opposed to you, who is an all out, full on war.

• 54:39Speaker 01

  Like on, yeah, I've got like a helmet on and, um, the.

• 54:42Chris Williamson?

  Body armor.

• 54:43Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, what's the.

• 54:44Jonny?

  It's a metal helmet, though.

• 54:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course.

• 54:47Chris Williamson?

  Why don't you just get, why not just get one of those cages? It's like a steel cage. You can just put the leaves into it. It's like a little Orby ball and steel on the top. Surely that would be.

• 55:00Speaker 01

  Squeasy thing at the end.

• 55:01Chris Williamson?

  Reusable and you can just keep reusing that. Why not that?

• 55:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can do. So I, I alternate between both. So I've got, it's not actually a ball that I use. It's like a dippy one. Um, but yeah, same concept. So like a metal dippy tea strainer, either ball with a squeezy thing. eBay, ATP.

• 55:21Chris Williamson?

  Wow. Nice. I like it. Very nice. Anyone who's doing loose leaf tea, I guess that'll be good. So we've done sort of quite a lot of explicit, happy, foodie ones so far today. One that I've been using for quite a while is ask for a solution when someone poses a problem. So this reverses a lot of the typical ebb and flow of a conversation, especially at work, but also with relationships, interpersonal relationships with your partner or friends. It's very easy for someone to criticize anything that you've decided to do or that anyone else has decided to do. I don't like that particular piece of artwork. I think that this is not very good. I, why are you taking that route?

• 56:07Chris Williamson?

  Whatever it might be, the easiest way to shut down their force toward you and also to move the conversation firstly, not in an antagonistic way. And secondly, towards a solution based conversation is to just say, all right, well, what, what would you do? And the number of times remembering that I have a lot of young lads that work for us and they're all full of caffeine and testosterone and they're 18 years old. They're very opinionated. They often have a lot of strong opinions about things, but they're quite unexamined. So they don't actually know why they think the thing that they think. I don't like, no, no, it's fucking shit that, fucking shit that, mate. Oh, why?

• 56:52Chris Williamson?

  Okay, what would you do? Not even just asking the why, because asking the why, they can often just justify stuff out of nowhere. It's like, it's not enough just for you to identify a problem. What is the solution that you do? Don't hit, hit the track on that video, mate. It's just shit. Okay, what would you put in its place?

• 57:12Chris Williamson?

  And that it moves the conversation in one question by using it almost like the trigger for you to say as opposed to you're wrong or trying to justify even if you think that you're right, even if you think the track on that video is the one that you should have used, just asking someone, what would you put instead doesn't doesn't necessarily mean that you're seceding ground on how strongly you feel about your side of the argument. But I've just found even in group conversations as well, it reminds everyone, we're here to find solutions, not identify problems.

• 57:47Speaker 01

  Here for a common goal. So Tim Ferriss recommends this with conversations with yourself as well. That if you're, if you find yourself complaining about something internally, to always propose a solution. It's part of his like 21 day no complaint challenge.

• 58:07Chris Williamson?

  Cool.

• 58:08Speaker 01

  It's as if someone comes to you saying, I've got this problem or like complaining about something. Is it?

• 58:14Chris Williamson?

  Mostly, mostly if there's a complaint that someone puts forward, especially if it's someone, if you're dealing with someone who tends to be a little bit more emotional, either aggressive or negative or even overly positive. And they decide to have a problem with something which is going on, just ask them for what their proposed solution is. A lot of the time, it forces them to examine why they have the problem and they realize actually it's not that big of a problem or it's unjustified, it's just emotionally driven. And sometimes they actually have a ready-made solution, which is even better than what you put forward. Or if they have a ready-made solution, which is worse than what you put forward, you're now debating solution versus solution as opposed to solution versus criticism to the solution.

• 59:00Chris Williamson?

  You get me?

• 59:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, makes sense.

• 59:04Chris Williamson?

  Useful. Johnny?

• 59:05Jonny?

  So I have one similar to that, which I wasn't going to say because it maybe wasn't Apple tactics specific enough. So I'm glad that you went down that route, which is again, something a coach that's working with us at the moment is kind of encouraging us to think in this way. Which is whenever you're, I think really whenever you're doing anything. So like any personal behaviour or anything you're like in the process of doing is come back to the question of like, what is the goal? Like, what am I trying to achieve with this? And then like, what is my ultimate goal? What is the specific goal? And then list out the possible things you could do to achieve the goal. And then the possible problems you might encounter.

• 59:45Jonny?

  And it takes you from a position of, if you're like not sure what to do, so you're like, I really want to lose weight or like deal with stress better or improve my sleep or whatever. You then find yourself taking this like, oh, but I could do, like suddenly you're like dealing with three possible paths, vectors to that thing, and then three problems you encounter with each one. And then you can just pick one and do it and try it for two weeks and see what happens. And you can take confusion to like, I'll just do that really, really quickly. Or, so I've done this with like all of my morning routine and habits and stuff like that. Is I now do like a third or a quarter of what I used to do. Could you just apply the question of like, what is the goal with this thing, like with this behaviour?

• 1:00:27Jonny?

  And then can I achieve that with just something simpler? Or like, could I not do that and still achieve the same thing, like always trying to sort of simplify and cut waste? Because I think, I think morning routines, especially me, I don't know whether you two fall into this, or like any habits or anything like that. There's a tendency to like, do as many of the things that everyone says you should do as possible. And then when you just reframe it as well, what am I, why am I actually doing these things? It's to like feel more mindful. It's like, well, okay, does, does like half an hour of meditation achieve that? Yeah, it probably does. How about I just do that for a month and see if that achieves the outcome rather than meditation, journaling, blah, like 10 other things. So that's, that's something that's really helped me recently and like work, training, everything.

• 1:01:12Speaker 01

  That is very cool. So what what's the what's the process if you were to say like, problem, how would you put it through that?

• 1:01:21Jonny?

  So define just define the goal for the thing like for that area. So like whatever it is you're thinking about like what it, what's the endpoint I'm trying to get to? And then what are the things I could do to reach that? And then what are the problems I might encounter? Try and troubleshoot the problems.

• 1:01:39Speaker 01

  So problem, proposed solution, obstacle.

• 1:01:43Jonny?

  And then test. Then off you go.

• 1:01:45Chris Williamson?

  I think a lot of the time, the things that we have in life, we're just overwhelmed with this sense. We have like just notions. It's just emotionally driven actions that aren't really very well examined. And I think this kind of links back to what we were just talking about there, that a lot of the time, people just have a sense of something and then decide to blurt out a post hoc rationalized justification that they think sounds okay. Driven from the particular emotional reaction they've had. So let's say that someone's, I want to lose weight. That's the outcome that I want to have. Okay, what are the different ways that I could lose weight? I could intermittent fast, I could just start calorie tracking, I could do whatever it might be.

• 1:02:29Chris Williamson?

  What are the problems that I might encounter? And that takes it from the overwhelm of, I want to lose weight. Oh, my God, I could do keto, or I could decide to go carnivore, I could decide to go vegan, or I could do, okay, no, break those down. Let's look at them individually. Let's assess them. What are the obstacles? Pick a path and stick to it.

• 1:02:52Speaker 01

  I interviewed a guy who did carnivore and then did vegan or the other way around. Um, for like a significant period of time, and he was just totally unattached to the ideologies or anything. He was just like, I'll try this, see how it feels. And he said the main benefit of veganism, this is going to really upset people, but he said it was the sense of moral superiority that he got.

• 1:03:12Jonny?

  Hmm.

• 1:03:14Jonny?

  That doesn't surprise me.

• 1:03:17Chris Williamson?

  I think a lot of people, a lot of people who are vegan, especially the ones that have been, they got front-ended into it by the emotive imagery that you see of mistreatment of animals. It's seductive to be able to be that person that can say, yeah, mate, but you don't fucking care about them. You know, I fucking, I'm willing to put my life on the line for them. Well, no, you're not. You're willing to change your diet for them.

• 1:03:42Speaker 01

  That, that is true. And I, I don't know anyone. I, I know like the, the argument will always be, oh, well, I've got to pick my like, pick my battles, but I don't know anyone who is fully, fully consistent. Like if someone is saying, oh, I'm vegan because of the environment, but they're using an iPhone, like the number of, you know, carb, kilograms of carbon that it, that it produces or carbon dioxide rather, or like if they're wearing leather shoes or if they, they still drive a car, you know, there's, I don't think there's anyone who is like completely aligned with that mission. Because if they were, they wouldn't have kids. They would probably live out in a subsistence farm somewhere. You know, there's a lot of costs to have to go to.

• 1:04:24Speaker 01

  On the other hand, you'd be like, well, I shouldn't throw it, you know, just because you can't do all of it, doesn't mean you can't do some of it. So.

• 1:04:30Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, I agree. Scotty, what you got?

• 1:04:33Jonny?

  Just sorry, one thing about the way to make all of that faster. So like the way I just described is like the self-managed process of like, what are the things I can try and then testing them. So like doing carnivore, then doing veganism or like trying different ways to like, do your bit in climate change. The other one is like, what is the goal? And then who is the person I know, I've heard of, who is the best at that thing? Just ask them what to do and then just do that way quicker.

• 1:05:00Jonny?

  So like, I wanna, I wanna try and improve my personal impact on the environment. Okay, I'm gonna get in touch with David Adabra and ask him what I can do. You know what I mean?

• 1:05:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, so I think Chris is.

• 1:05:12Jonny?

  Most well-read with that and just ask them for help. Chris, I think you're very good at doing that.

• 1:05:17Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, so I've got, um, I've got a letter, an email actually that I sent the other day. A lot of the listeners might be familiar with Toby Ord, who I've been bringing up a fair bit recently. He wrote a book called The Precipice, which is on existential threats. And I sent him this email. I haven't read it out yet. So. Hi Toby, hope you're well. I'm a huge fan of your work. The precipice is one of the best things I've read since superintelligence. Congratulations on a wonderful book. I run a podcast called Modern Wisdom on it. I've had tons of authors and thinkers you'd be familiar with, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. A concern I have after 200 plus podcast episodes is just how skewed the attentions of smart minds are becoming. I must have had the same conversation 20 times this year, which boils down to woke bashing ridiculous examples of identity politics or highlighting that.

• 1:06:00Chris Williamson?

  We just can't have conversations anymore. If the great filter exists, I'm worried that it is alive and kicking in the form of a seductively easy collection of woke, low hanging fruits for intellectuals to have their attention consumed by. James Lindsay has a PhD in pure mathematics, but is caught up arguing with people on Twitter. He should be getting us to Mars, not writing fake intersectional studies. Think of it how TikTok must be to a 15 year old. Some of the greatest minds of our generation are spending their time proving why men and women are different. Given how grave the implications from your book are, which is that he thinks there's a one in three chance that human civilization will make it through the next century and a one in two chance that we'll reach our full potential. I'm worried. The same thing goes for the amount of press and passion and energy going into fixing climate change.

• 1:06:41Chris Williamson?

  Surely working on the control problem for AGI are looking at a more effective method to keep biotechnology labs safe would be wildly more useful at keeping us all alive. I want to use my platform, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, to try and bring this to people's attention and give them some perspective on the big picture. If you have time to join me and discuss your work on the show, I'll be honoured and I'm adamant that you have a big impact on the audience positively. However, if your availability is too tight at the moment, I would still be keen to promulgate this message in whatever way you think I can do best and would appreciate any advice on how you think I could do it effectively. So I found a guy that I knew was an expert in the field, sent him a little bit of stuff before and said, what would you do? I have this platform that I can utilise. What's your advice?

• 1:07:22Jonny?

  Nice. Very targeted example of exactly that. It's like, what is the goal? I want to use the modern wisdom platform to achieve this outcome. Like, right, well, that's massive. How do I?

• 1:07:31Chris Williamson?

  I'll just ask him. Find the smartest guy on the planet and email him.

• 1:07:34Jonny?

  Yeah. Who is the best person at that? Ask him.

• 1:07:39Chris Williamson?

  I like it.

• 1:07:39Jonny?

  Way.

• 1:07:40Speaker 01

  That was a great email.

• 1:07:42Chris Williamson?

  Thanks, man. What you got, Scoob?

• 1:07:45Speaker 01

  I was sent a poor man's sauna, which is the Mi-Hi.

• 1:07:50Chris Williamson?

  I've seen you using this.

• 1:07:53Speaker 01

  You have. I did a live stream trying it out for the first time. And it's called the Mi-Hi Shyamalan.

• 1:08:01Speaker 01

  It's called M I hi. So I think it's pronounced Mi-Hi. Because the tagline is get me high. And it's

• 1:08:09Chris Williamson?

  Cheeks said me.

• 1:08:09Speaker 01

  Very clever. Cheeks said me hi. It's it's a sauna in a plastic bag. Or made of like anorak material. And you wrap yourself up in it and it's got two heating elements on the front and back. So it sandwiches you in with far infrared. And you get the health benefits of infrared exposure without having to have a wooden setup.

• 1:08:30Chris Williamson?

  You get to have the health benefits of a sauna without enjoying it at all.

• 1:08:35Speaker 01

  Well.

• 1:08:36Jonny?

  So that's how I feel about saunas, full stop, Chris. So it's win win to me, really.

• 1:08:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, it's obviously the the experience of sitting in a sauna. Part of it is the social experience and the other part is not not being in a plastic bag.

• 1:08:50Chris Williamson?

  That's one of the main reasons that I go in a sauna. It's because it's one of the few places on this planet I know I'm not going to be in a plastic bag.

• 1:08:59Jonny?

  So is this the same as the thing that we've seen? You might not have seen it, Chris, but but Paul Moore puts himself in this like tent.

• 1:09:06Speaker 01

  Oh, similar. So.

• 1:09:07Jonny?

  He calls the portable masturbation tent, which is just his head on a basically on a box. Is it the same idea?

• 1:09:13Speaker 01

  It is. It's the same idea. Yeah. This is more specifically infrared. And so you do get there. There's a lot of benefits associated with it, but.

• 1:09:24Speaker 01

  I did it wrong first time because I was just doing it in pants. Which means you're sweating directly onto this waterproof material, which is quite unpleasant, as you can imagine. They advise actually wearing sports clothes.

• 1:09:36Chris Williamson?

  Okay.

• 1:09:37Speaker 01

  And being inside and you don't you don't sweat that much, like a half an hour session. You'll you'll break a bit of a sweat, even though it's quite hot. So you can tolerate it quite well. And it definitely lifts your mood. You can then have a cold shower immediately afterwards.

• 1:09:53Chris Williamson?

  How much are they?

• 1:09:54Speaker 01

  Three hundred pounds, I think, or slightly under.

• 1:09:57Chris Williamson?

  How expensive are they to run?

• 1:10:00Speaker 01

  Pretty efficient electricity wise. You just need to spray it down when you finish. Compared to having an infrared sauna installed, for a one man one, it's going to be 1,200 and for a, you don't want a one man one though, because you're just saying on your bill. For a two or three man one, it's going to be three grand. So significantly cheaper.

• 1:10:20Chris Williamson?

  10% of the price for the same.

• 1:10:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:23Chris Williamson?

  Health outcomes. And so apart from the fact that it does look an awful lot like you are getting ready to die. Like you've been prepped.

• 1:10:31Speaker 01

  My neighbours must think that I've got some like mad perversions because I'm just out in the yard like pillow in this kind of.

• 1:10:38Chris Williamson?

  Sweating.

• 1:10:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:40Chris Williamson?

  Sweating and bright red and sweating.

• 1:10:42Speaker 01

  Suffering, yeah.

• 1:10:45Jonny?

  So why, why should somebody go to that bother? Like what's, because there's something about for some reason being like heated up by infrared beams just feels a bit.

• 1:10:58Jonny?

  Like I'm sure it's good for you, but it feels like it wouldn't be.

• 1:11:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. So one of the things we mentioned on one of the kind of earlier life hacks was having a state change. And so Chris was saying that training for him is more of a state change, more of a frame shift than having a good night's sleep. And changing your temperature is another great way to do that. So in terms of like mood and kind of subjective benefits, that's, that's one side of it. The physiological mechanisms, so on a cellular level, there are a few processes that happen when you are exposed to heat. And heat shock protein is one of the kind of ways it's mediated, but it can improve cardiovascular health, reduce the risk of ischemic heart disease, improve glucose metabolism.

• 1:11:46Speaker 01

  There's a few of these kind of like Rhonda Patrick goes deep into this. But there's a few kind of things that you can. You can influence directly with heat exposure. And then if you would alternate heat and cold, it's you're getting the benefits of both. And it just feels quite nice, sets you up for the day.

• 1:12:03Chris Williamson?

  I really wish that one of us had decided to get an infrared sauna at the start of 2020. We would have so made our money back.

• 1:12:14Speaker 01

  And this time, me or you would put it in a pointless putting it in Johnny's because first he doesn't let me in his house.

• 1:12:18Chris Williamson?

  And then secondly, he'd never use it. But in your backyard or my, or my garden, Seth, a two or three man, two or three man sauna, we would have made our money back and some by the end of this year. But yeah, uh, what am I gonna do? Uh, here's one that I've been doing all this year, um, which is a hard rule of no TV on a nighttime. So I wanted to read more. I also know that I tend to break my sleep time when I'm watching something because it's passive rather than active. It affects my melatonin release because there's blue light and a whole host of other things.

• 1:12:57Chris Williamson?

  Also, it's, I'm watching usually Netflix, which is at best acceptable and at worst mind numbing. So I wanted to set myself a rule that I wouldn't do that. I tend to have a shower on a nighttime, so I have a trigger point, which is usually about an hour before I go to bed. That's the shower and I set myself a rule that I would not watch TV after I have a shower. Now I have two choices. I can either go to bed an hour early, which is maybe a bit boring, but would probably be fairly beneficial. Seeing as I'm still only averaging about seven hours a night, or I can read for an hour. Reading tends to set me up better for sleep.

• 1:13:37Chris Williamson?

  The research around e-readers is that they do not affect your melatonin release anywhere near the same as using an iPad or a phone or a television. The light that they emit doesn't impact your melatonin release in the same way at all. So I've gone through tons of books, like I've two X'd my book reading by just having a hard stop of TV. Plus I've improved my sleep quality. Plus I've actually read a bunch of stuff that I'm interested in. Uh, I wake up on the morning feeling better. I, I notice a couple of nights, let's say I've gone in the living room. I've had a shower earlier in the day, which has removed the trigger. I've stayed in the living room, watching something on TV and then I try and go to bed and I'm just in a completely different headspace.

• 1:14:22Speaker 01

  Stopping TV, hard stop, and then reading before bed.

• 1:14:26Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, reading fiction, I think particularly helps, like trying to read or reading narrative nonfiction, like biographies and stuff. If you're trying to read self-development at 11 o'clock at night, I just think you're sending yourself, the whole point of reading self-development books is the retention and then the application. Going to bed immediately afterward, unless it's some real clever Josh Waitzkin, sandwich your sleep in the thing that you want to really ingrain into yourself. And there's probably some argument to be made for that. But for the most part, just find a good fiction series like Red Rising is amazing. I'm really, really enjoying that. And everyone that I've sent it to has become fully, fully addicted. Also, P S Brown, the author of Red Rising is coming on here. Once he finishes the next book in

• 1:15:10Chris Williamson?

  the series, which will be really, really fun. And I'm going to, this could two for one, I'm going to jump in again and do another one, which is one of yours, actually, Scob. So, no TV on a night for me, I think would benefit a lot of people. You could potentially look to partition this and say, no TV on weeknights. And then on a weekend, you might allow yourself a little bit of a break. But again, just set hard and fast rules about when, find a trigger, use the trigger, and then also set yourself some bright lines around if there's breaks in that and when they're acceptable. And another one, which you have is, don't have a TV in your living room if you want to have better conversations. So I don't know anyone else's house that I go to, where we talk more when we go around than yours,

• 1:15:55Chris Williamson?

  because we don't have the distraction of watching TV. Every time that we go to your house, we always sit in a circle. It's not like we're all in a weird sort of line, like a football match, or like at the cinema, or facing the same way. Everyone kind of sits in a circle and we just have a chat.

• 1:16:12Speaker 01

  That's interesting. See, I never, I never really thought of it as even an option. It just, like, getting a TV seems like more of an opt-in thing for me than an opt-out.

• 1:16:22Chris Williamson?

  You do, you are aware that that's non-typical, though.

• 1:16:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:16:27Jonny?

  I think you're the only person I know who is, who sees it like that. But I think like that's, that's often a sign that it's a good idea rather than a bad one. In most cases, unless it's something harmful or.

• 1:16:39Speaker 01

  I was thinking about this the other day, like, at what point are you, um, like, really making yourself a dysfunctional human if you just don't have a phone? Or any, like, if you had no online accounts or email address or anything, like, could you live a normal life?

• 1:16:54Jonny?

  Probably not. Well, you could, but you wouldn't be able to interact, like, interact with many other things.

• 1:16:59Speaker 01

  Like, could you have, I don't think you could have, like, a bank account.

• 1:17:02Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, so online, online banking, um, dealing with stuff like council tax with changing, uh, energy suppliers. It's all the real boring, I need to keep the lights on stuff.

• 1:17:13Speaker 01

  Hmm. Like, how do people over seventy do this stuff? Because I, I still find it like, yeah, maybe that's it.

• 1:17:23Chris Williamson?

  Well, think about your mom, like, all of our parents will have called on us because I can't get this bloody thing to work at some point.

• 1:17:30Speaker 01

  Hmm. Yeah, it just becomes the.

• 1:17:33Jonny?

  I saw a TV advert the other day for a food delivery service targeted at older people. And one of the selling points was that, like, you called up and you spoke to someone and you made the order over the phone and they made a big deal about it, like, none of this internet, schm internet, you know, like, you actually speak to a human who places the order for you and then it gets delivered by someone who, like, stops and chats to you.

• 1:17:54Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 1:17:54Jonny?

  Like, I can think of nothing worse than having to do online shopping over the phone.

• 1:18:00Chris Williamson?

  Fucking hell. So, hang on, hang on. So you're telling me that I could have done this, I could have written a macro. I could have had an Alfred shortcut that would have automatically added everything to my cart, but you want me to ring on the phone and wait? Yeah.

• 1:18:18Speaker 01

  It's, it's changed so quickly as well. Like, can you even imagine calling up like a takeaway now and being like, oh, we'll have two, is it two poppadoms? Yeah. And right. And one, one pilar rice. Yeah. And like, now it's, it's not even.

• 1:18:31Jonny?

  The last thing for me for that's been dentist appointments. So that was the last thing in my life that I had to call up for.

• 1:18:39Chris Williamson?

  The final bastion of the old media, yeah.

• 1:18:42Jonny?

  It's progressed now whereby I can fill in, I mean, I so wanted to say this to them. I fill in a web form, which is just like a contact form on their site. That when I try and press book online, it just directs me back to like the contact us form. And then somebody calls me, which is a step better. But like, come on, man.

• 1:19:02Chris Williamson?

  You know what you should do? Get your teeth done by David Breton at the cosmetic dental clinic and you can just WhatsApp him. Cause that's what I do. All right, mate. When are you free next week? Oh, it's this time.

• 1:19:12Jonny?

  Find the framework of like, what is the goal? Who do I know who is best at that?

• 1:19:17Chris Williamson?

  Anyone in the northeast of England, if you want cosmetic dental work done, go and see David Breton. He's a G.

• 1:19:22Jonny?

  Do you just do normal like dental checkups?

• 1:19:25Chris Williamson?

  Everything, full works. Does like half of Newcastle United's football team, like all of the, he's phenomenal, man. It's so interesting as well, seeing someone. I met him, met this guy at uni in the gym when he was a fresher doing dentistry. And then in 2019, he gets the UK Young Dentist of the Year Award. And is like one of the highest earning guys, a huge cosmetic dental clinic here. It really is interesting to watch someone on a single career path. That's go. Yes, precisely. Cause most of the time people kind of vacillate, at least, you know, you guys will go from fitness coaching to business coaching. It's a path, but there's, there's wiggle room within it, right? It's like just been one fucking thing for him and he's just become incredibly good at it.

• 1:20:10Speaker 01

  He's a sniper, isn't he?

• 1:20:12Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:12Speaker 01

  Well, so a friend of mine who was his classmate, David Breton's classmate, he's set up an app to solve this specific problem. Which is like, it's called teeth.app and it's like Uber for booking a dentist.

• 1:20:25Chris Williamson?

  Find your dentist.com.

• 1:20:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:28Chris Williamson?

  I like it. Okay, let's do, um, let's finish off with a, a little bit of a quickfire round. If you've got a couple of, a couple of Swifties on, Johnny.

• 1:20:35Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:20:36Jonny?

  Me.

• 1:20:37Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:37Jonny?

  Um, so mine's actually looping back to, I think the last life hacks, which is that I'm still using and still recommend OmniFocus.

• 1:20:46Chris Williamson?

  You've done this, you've done this because you know that I'm halfway through, I'm halfway through it and that Yusuf's still using the Yemeni tic-tic.

• 1:20:56Speaker 01

  This is such upsetting news.

• 1:20:57Jonny?

  I get such like specific questions from Chris and it's just great watching someone's development. Like the problems that Chris is solving now are very like advanced specific problems within the Omni world.

• 1:21:13Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, so I, I am transitioning at the moment from things to OmniFocus for my task management. The Peter Aki's course, which is a link in the show notes below. If you want to go and check this out, you can also check out OmniFocus. The Peter Aki's course is really helping me a lot. I would be terrified to try and learn OmniFocus without that. It really is quite sophisticated.

• 1:21:39Chris Williamson?

  But I'm looking forward to getting to the stage where I can start to fully integrate it. And you're right, some of the questions that I've been asking you about like, is it a task with a subtasks? Is it a project? How many subfolders should I have within this, this and this? But again, your analogy was it's like snowboarding. It takes ages to learn how to do it and set up. But once you can, you look cool as fuck. Yeah. And you're carving, carving shit up. So OmniFocus is still great. I've, I've just written that and I'll link the Peter Aki's course as well.

• 1:22:08Jonny?

  What would, what would have to happen, Yusuf, for you to use OmniFocus?

• 1:22:12Speaker 01

  I think for you to have said that you were trying it, say a month ago, and then do a life hacks, say, this month and say, I've been using it and actually it's really good.

• 1:22:23Jonny?

  I think it was more than a month ago, but yeah, I see.

• 1:22:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. I'm like, it does.

• 1:22:29Jonny?

  I'll set a recurring OmniFocus reminder with a life hacks tag to mention every life hacks episode.

• 1:22:34Speaker 01

  Until I get it. It'd be cool to see, like, and I'm sure loads of people listening would also love this, is to see a, a video of your workflow.

• 1:22:48Jonny?

  Okay.

• 1:22:49Chris Williamson?

  I think it would make my, I mean, it would make my life easier, mate, because I'm asking you a lot of questions that the backend of your OmniFocus could just tell me.

• 1:22:57Speaker 01

  There's Johnny capturing it.

• 1:22:59Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, done, done. Cool. Seth, what you got?

• 1:23:03Speaker 01

  So I may have mentioned this one before, but if you're at someone's house and you need to store something in the fridge. So let's say you've like, for whatever reason, you've you've picked something up that needs to be refrigerated or it's food or whatever, but you, or or maybe not even fridge, you've put something somewhere that you have to remember before you leave not to forget it there. Put your keys in the fridge.

• 1:23:28Speaker 01

  So for example, if I've like been to see my girlfriend, we get some food.

• 1:23:33Jonny?

  Ham.

• 1:23:34Speaker 01

  Ham, get loads of ham and I put it in the fridge and I'm like, I can't forget that ham. But then I leave and I'm like, oh, I forgot the ham. Car keys in the fridge. Instantly you can't leave without it. So.

• 1:23:46Chris Williamson?

  I feel like.

• 1:23:46Jonny?

  You can apply that to like anything, right? Like if you don't want to forget something, put your car keys on top of it.

• 1:23:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. Right. That's the the meta hack there.

• 1:23:56Chris Williamson?

  For me, it would just be put whatever I need to take, put my AirPods on top of it because I'm not leaving, I'm not leaving my house without my AirPods.

• 1:24:04Speaker 01

  There we go. Yeah. So the essential thing.

• 1:24:07Jonny?

  Something I do that's similar to that, which is, you know, like you go to bed and you think, I need to remember this in the morning. Like I need to remember to take this in the morning and you think, that's all right, I'll I'll I'll remember. And then you invariably leave the house and you've forgotten. Just put it in like the middle of the floor. Put it in like the weirdest place. So like, so that you get out of bed and you stand and you go, oh, yeah. And then you're like, oh, God, thank God for that.

• 1:24:30Speaker 01

  Unless Becca goes like just moot, just tidies it away. The next day he's like, Johnny, I saw this weird thing in the middle of the floor. Like, what are you doing?

• 1:24:38Chris Williamson?

  Johnny, you left all of your dildos in the middle of the floor.

• 1:24:42Speaker 01

  I needed them to bring to Cafe Nero.

• 1:24:45Chris Williamson?

  Taking them to Costa. Yeah. So again, another iteration of this further down the autism rabbit hole is the old wives tale of like tie a knot in your handkerchief when you want to remember something. If you don't have the thing that you need to remember, just get it. You're right. You're on a night time. You're asleep. Oh shit. I need to do that thing. I really need to do that thing. I cannot forget it. I can't haesery it because it's too far across the far side or my phone's outside of my bedroom or whatever it might be. Just get something that's next to the bed. Yeah. And just, and put it like hoit across the room. And you're like, why is that? Ah.

• 1:25:24Speaker 01

  The worst, what you don't want to happen is to see the pillow and then be like, I don't remember what the thing is.

• 1:25:29Chris Williamson?

  That's an open loop of something that I know that the pillow is only there as a signal that I need to remember it. And shit, I can't remember it.

• 1:25:35Speaker 01

  It's like when I've saved items in my calendar and I'm not like fully brain working properly and I'll just save like Wednesday, 3pm. And I'll just save a few months in advance. And you get to that day and you're like, and then dentist calls you and it's like, where are you? And you're like, oh.

• 1:25:54Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. Yeah. Difficult one. Right. What have I got this? Okay. So I, Reebok have recently become a sponsor on the show and they sent me out a pair of Myonit shorts, which are their top of the line shorts. I've, on previous life hacks, I've talked about the Nike Flex Rappels, which are one of the best pairs of shorts I've ever had in my life. And I've got the Myonit ones on now, which are just as good and a tiny little bit shorter, which I think is especially for British guys. American CrossFitters and fitness guys tend to be able to get away with slightly longer shorts, but in the UK you look, I don't know, it just doesn't really seem. To be quite

• 1:26:35Speaker 01

  You've got to have like a tap out t-shirt and long shorts.

• 1:26:38Chris Williamson?

  Yes, precisely. So yeah, Reebok Myo Knit Seamless Shorts are like definitely one of the most comfortable pairs I've ever worn. And you can easily train in them. They're probably going to last me for a bunch of years. If those aren't your, if you don't like the colors of those, the alternative I would say is Nike Flex Rappels, which I think are actually called like Nike Flex Pros or something now. But basically go on to Nike or Reebok, sort shorts by price highest to lowest, and just buy the most expensive ones. Shorts are one of those things that you only need to wash once every few training sessions, not super regular. And you only need like, what, two or three pairs of bottoms really for training? And that'll last you for a couple of years. So you might as well invest in something that's worthwhile.

• 1:27:22Speaker 01

  You got them on now?

• 1:27:22Chris Williamson?

  I do indeed. I can't go back though because I've got the boot on.

• 1:27:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:30Jonny?

  At the end of this podcast, Chris, do you just have to try and walk forward through the desk to turn around?

• 1:27:35Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, lateral and reverse movement is, and it's my weakness at the moment. Anything that you want to finish up with before we, before we finish off? Oh, I tell you what, actually, why don't we finish with a few things that you've been watching on Netflix? Or YouTube videos or podcasts that you've listened to that you've enjoyed recently?

• 1:27:53Jonny?

  I have one more thing that I'm bursting to say.

• 1:27:55Chris Williamson?

  But you want to save it for the next one because this is the very, very end of the episode. And we can open loop it, we can open loop it for everyone. There we go. You and Becca watched some good stuff on Netflix. What have you been watching?

• 1:28:06Jonny?

  To be honest, it's been drying up recently. I feel, I just, you know, when you watch the world run out of their, out of content? I feel like that's what's happening. And you think like some, what I think what's most impressive is you see the extent to which things are pre-planned.

• 1:28:20Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 1:28:21Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:28:22Jonny?

  And then

• 1:28:22Speaker 01

  And then what the breaking the barrel content actually is, because it's all like, oh, let's look back on

• 1:28:28Jonny?

  Five years ago, isn't it?

• 1:28:29Chris Williamson?

  More Jose Mourinho interviews, yeah. Every TV show's got fucking Jose Mourinho in at the moment. Weird.

• 1:28:36Jonny?

  I haven't noticed that.

• 1:28:39Jonny?

  The Platform is a film on Netflix.

• 1:28:41Chris Williamson?

  Foreign film.

• 1:28:43Jonny?

  Foreign film. Have you seen it, Chris?

• 1:28:45Chris Williamson?

  No, I've watched the trailer for it. It looked like a really interesting idea.

• 1:28:50Jonny?

  Like, it's alright. It's pretty good. So it's in Spanish, I think, maybe. Basically, there's a prison with an infinite number of floors and a descending platform that starts on floor one or floor zero with loads of food on it, so enough for all of the levels. But every month, people get put to sleep and reallocated randomly onto a floor. So you might be put right at the bottom or right at the top. So it's basically like an experiment in game theory. So if everybody just took their portion and the whole thing plays out, and it's pretty graphic, but just quite a, like, quite a, so it came out, I think, at a time when everyone was like panic buying toilet roll and

• 1:29:33Jonny?

  and so it's like a macro commentary on that. So it's quite good.

• 1:29:38Chris Williamson?

  Clever idea. I really liked that. Have you watched anything?

• 1:29:41Speaker 01

  Sounds very sort of Black Mirror-y. I tried to watch The Social Dilemma, Social Experiment?

• 1:29:46Chris Williamson?

  Social Dilemma.

• 1:29:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. I saw about half of it. Like, it's, it's fine, but like, I think, I guess, having listened to Tristan Harris's podcast and stuff, it's not, it's not anything new, but I imagine for a lot of audiences, they will be like, this is brilliant.

• 1:30:03Speaker 01

  Also, La Casa de Papel is very good. Bless you. It's called Money Heist, so it's in Spanish.

• 1:30:11Jonny?

  Okay.

• 1:30:12Speaker 01

  That, it's way bigger than I thought. I thought it was kind of a niche show, which is really bad with arts and Spanish, but like, the following for that show is absolutely huge. All of the actors in them have got sort of 16 million followers on Instagram and stuff, like they're they're seriously.

• 1:30:30Jonny?

  Is it like a multi-series thing, or is it just one?

• 1:30:33Speaker 01

  Multi-series, yeah.

• 1:30:34Chris Williamson?

  Season four's out now or something, I think.

• 1:30:35Jonny?

  Really?

• 1:30:36Speaker 01

  I think so, yeah. It's very, very well executed, like, really well shot, very, I would recommend it.

• 1:30:42Jonny?

  Do you watch it dubbed or with subtitles?

• 1:30:44Speaker 01

  Alternate. Sometimes someone will say something really silly and you'll be like, I wonder what that sounds like in Spanish. And then you'll like, go back to the dubbed again. It's not a terrible dubbing as well. Like, some, you know, we were talking about this last time, like, some dubbing, and it's like, hey, who's there?

• 1:31:01Jonny?

  Unforgivable.

• 1:31:02Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:03Jonny?

  Ruins it.

• 1:31:04Chris Williamson?

  Have you watched Murder Next Door?

• 1:31:08Chris Williamson?

  No.

• 1:31:08Jonny?

  Is that the American thing, the American? I just watched that last night with Becker. My god.

• 1:31:13Chris Williamson?

  Holy shit.

• 1:31:17Chris Williamson?

  You would, I think you'd really enjoy it, you sir, because it kind of like subverts a lot of your expectations. So a, a, a wife-

• 1:31:22Speaker 01

  Similar to the staircase.

• 1:31:25Chris Williamson?

  It's just a single, a single watch. Um, the staircase is a long, the staircase is a long burn. This is like being fired out of a cannon. Um, so-

• 1:31:33Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:31:34Chris Williamson?

  A wife-

• 1:31:34Speaker 01

  After the staircase, not like-

• 1:31:35Jonny?

  Having a terrible couple of years, isn't it? A terrible decade. He's just like, dude, been financially ribbed, I'm still in prison and this is still going on.

• 1:31:44Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:45Jonny?

  But, um, yeah, that, that American thing. What, is it called Murder Next Door? I thought it was called American Murder or something like that.

• 1:31:50Chris Williamson?

  Oh shit, yeah, maybe it is. Maybe it is. American Murder, perhaps.

• 1:31:54Jonny?

  Either way, it's-

• 1:31:56Chris Williamson?

  Serious. Um, a wife and her two children, a pregnant wife and her two children go missing. And the police try and find out what happens. And it, it's just a, it's a roller coaster.

• 1:32:08Jonny?

  What's so cool about it is it uses a lot of her, like, social media. So she, she was obviously big with Facebook Live. Did a lot of Facebook Live, a lot of videos, a lot of photos.

• 1:32:19Chris Williamson?

  Traffic, traffic, trying to get traffic.

• 1:32:20Jonny?

  Well, she's like, yeah, so we're just trying to insert impressions. But yeah, so she, she's obviously very active on that. And it like documents a story with like real police footage and that.

• 1:32:29Chris Williamson?

  So it's splicing. It's the first time I've ever seen them splicing police body cam footage.

• 1:32:34Jonny?

  I know.

• 1:32:35Chris Williamson?

  They've bought the rights to police body. So imagine how difficult it must be to go to like Washington State PD and say, hey, guys, we're Netflix. We want the rights to your body cam footage. And the, um, interview room, a corner of the wall recording and the audio recording and the polygraph test that people take. We want, we want everything, please.

• 1:33:02Speaker 01

  It, it just wouldn't, like, in the UK, like, in, so in the US, you'd have legal problems. You'd have to have a team of lawyers that are sorting through all the paperwork. In the UK, you'd be dealing with Catherine from, um,

• 1:33:13Chris Williamson?

  IT.

• 1:33:14Speaker 01

  Admin team of the, of IT. Be like, well, you can it because it's on floppy disk and we haven't got the converter. So you get, like-

• 1:33:21Chris Williamson?

  Catherine, Catherine would only be able to allow you to take a recording on your phone of her VGA monitor. That would be the way.

• 1:33:30Jonny?

  And then fax, and then fax it back to yourself from, yeah. But what I was thinking while I was watching it was- I don't think there was anything in there that wasn't just accessed footage. So like that's a Netflix documentary that's been made by some bloke on final cut.

• 1:33:48Chris Williamson?

  No, no, there's they're flying, there's drone shots over the top of the town.

• 1:33:58Jonny?

  Right.

• 1:33:59Chris Williamson?

  There's some production stuff in there.

• 1:34:01Jonny?

  But it's my point is.

• 1:34:02Chris Williamson?

  Oh, it's very minimal.

• 1:34:04Jonny?

  It's all been done in COVID parameters, isn't it?

• 1:34:08Chris Williamson?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:34:09Jonny?

  Which is bonkers, like, just for someone to think, we really need to get something out there. Let's just find loads of footage and a story and piece it all together and then up documentary.

• 1:34:19Chris Williamson?

  Library made documentary, yeah.

• 1:34:21Jonny?

  But man, it's heart wrenching, the the story.

• 1:34:24Chris Williamson?

  It's bad. Um, The Fall on Netflix is just, I put it in the newsletter, The Fall with, um. Oh, God, people are going to be screaming down the down the airports at me.

• 1:34:36Jonny?

  The guy from Fifty Shades of Grey, yeah.

• 1:34:39Chris Williamson?

  Uh, anyway, him, Fifty Shades of Grey, uh, not Robert Pattinson, he's the vampire man.

• 1:34:45Chris Williamson?

  I'm sorry.

• 1:34:46Speaker 01

  Robbie Williams, the guy who used to be in Take That.

• 1:34:48Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 1:34:49Speaker 01

  Did a solo music career.

• 1:34:50Chris Williamson?

  Yes, yeah, and then he went back to Take That. Um, yeah, The Fall, absolutely awesome. It's got Gillian Anderson from X-Files in it, she's got big fake boobies. And it's three seasons of really ruthless, very dark, very subversive. Like, it's it's interesting, you should watch it, you should watch it, it's really fun.

• 1:35:08Speaker 01

  Nice. Well, I'm I'm gonna persist, I'm sorry, I'm adding those two to the list and I'm gonna persist with The Staircase if you say it's a slow burner. Cause it feels like the first the first two episodes are just like, like, two minutes of, um, stuff just bumped out into an hour.

• 1:35:27Jonny?

  I would, uh, so I gave up on it the first time I tried to watch it.

• 1:35:30Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:35:31Jonny?

  Chris was like, you should just watch it. Like Becker and I like sat back down and I'm like, right, okay, we're just gonna have to like grit through this. And you get past the point and you're like, oh, God, like it it suddenly it like.

• 1:35:44Chris Williamson?

  Uh, cool. So it's the the fact that it's a little bit of a slow burner actually plays to its strength. Because you can't believe that it's still going. It's like it can't, it there can't be more, there's more, there's more, uh, it.

• 1:35:57Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:35:57Chris Williamson?

  And then it jumps like 10 years later to the present day and you're like.

• 1:36:02Chris Williamson?

  What? Sorry, this is still going.

• 1:36:05Jonny?

  Have you met his lawyer yet, Issa?

• 1:36:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:09Chris Williamson?

  You'll love him.

• 1:36:09Speaker 01

  With, with, with the like, the mullet.

• 1:36:11Jonny?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:12Chris Williamson?

  Yes, yes.

• 1:36:12Jonny?

  There's a scene in it where I actually thought of you where he, it's like the day before he's due to give opening statements. And someone's like messed up the slides.

• 1:36:23Chris Williamson?

  Oh, when he loses his shit at the guy in the car.

• 1:36:26Jonny?

  I am about to go out and give and you are messing around.

• 1:36:33Jonny?

  Brilliant. But he, he throughout the whole thing, I think is fantastic. Like just the arguments, the way that he presents his arguments.

• 1:36:41Speaker 01

  I'm always so in awe of lawyers. I just think they're such impressive people.

• 1:36:46Chris Williamson?

  Well, the guy, the accused in the staircase is really rich. And I'm going to guess that the particular lawyer, I can't remember, but I'm going to guess he must have found. Who's the guy with the, the largest penis in this particular?

• 1:37:01Jonny?

  What is the goal? Who is the person who is best?

• 1:37:04Chris Williamson?

  Email them, email them.

• 1:37:06Jonny?

  The scene where he's like giving him the rundown, like the invoice basically of what this is going to cost. Have you got that?

• 1:37:11Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:37:12Jonny?

  Oh my god.

• 1:37:14Speaker 01

  So he, he's just gone to like lawyers.com, sort by.

• 1:37:18Chris Williamson?

  Price.

• 1:37:18Speaker 01

  Size of meatus and.

• 1:37:22Speaker 01

  Selected number one.

• 1:37:25Chris Williamson?

  Sorted by density of glands.

• 1:37:29Jonny?

  Density, yeah.

• 1:37:31Speaker 01

  Brilliant.

• 1:37:32Jonny?

  Oh man, I, I wish, I, I'm always so jealous of you because whenever we like. Say a new series, so like I've seen all of the fall, for example. I like, I watched it when it was on BBC a couple of years ago.

• 1:37:44Speaker 01

  You guys have got a lot of power though, because you're like, the, the stuff that you recommend, I'm like, right, it's, it's getting watched.

• 1:37:50Jonny?

  But it's just such a great position because like, I suppose I do the same with TV as you do with protein powder. Like you occasionally find one that's like, I need to tell people about this.

• 1:37:59Speaker 01

  Ah, so you get like.

• 1:38:01Jonny?

  You have to sit through, you know, and I, and I feel like what you get is the, the cream of stuff.

• 1:38:06Speaker 01

  I totally trust you as well, because I think like anything you have, there's nothing you've recommended that I've been like, oh, I was a bit idiot.

• 1:38:11Jonny?

  So we should, should exploit that, Chris.

• 1:38:13Chris Williamson?

  I agree. I agree indeed. And just send some really bad ones through. Yeah, I know. Look, boys, thank you so much for coming on. If people want to get some business coaching, if they're an offline PT who wants to go online, head to propanefitness.com/ModernWisdom. And if you want to get some macros, just propanefitness.com and it'll get you lean.

• 1:38:38Jonny?

  Exactly. Absolutely. I'll go to both.

• 1:38:41Chris Williamson?

  And what do they get if they go to the slash Modern Wisdom? It's the, you won't believe the seven things that'll, what is it?

• 1:38:47Jonny?

  It's like the thing of all the free training we've ever given away. It's the thing that's had the most positive feedback, especially like the last third.

• 1:38:57Speaker 01

  There is so much.

• 1:39:00Chris Williamson?

  Open that loop, man. Open that loop. But yes, if you're a PT who's looking to transition online, obviously this year has been the year of doing shit online. propanefitness.com/ModernWisdom. Go and check it out. I'll just give the boys a message. They're on Instagram. Just give them a message. I'm sure that they'll answer any of your questions before you need to sink your teeth into too much more. We'll be back with probably a catch-up episode. I guess we've done a little bit of time. We've probably had a bit of life go on. Life hacks 114. And then I'm tempted to start the relationship series or the business principles series back up again as well.

• 1:39:31Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:39:32Chris Williamson?

  They were fun.

• 1:39:33Jonny?

  And next life hacks, I'll reveal the one life hack.

• 1:39:36Chris Williamson?

  That you won't believe.

• 1:39:38Speaker 01

  That dermatologists don't want you to know. And so I would also be keen for, if anyone has suggestions for new series in the comments, any new big topics to sink into.

• 1:39:52Jonny?

  As long as they're not like really sensitive or like, yeah, I'm not going to list ones.

• 1:39:59Chris Williamson?

  Because it just gives people ideas on what you don't want to talk about. The internet's listening, man. Look, boys, thank you so much for your time. Ladies and gentlemen, Kay, thanks.

• 1:40:10Speaker 01

  Bye, Dan.

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• 1:40:42Jonny?

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• 1:40:49Jonny?

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