Pod Insights Modern Wisdom Liam Neeson, Fyre Festival & Brian Cox | Catch Up 101 About this episode Welcome to a brand new series, featuring the long awaited return of Jonny & Yusef from PropaneFitness.com
These Catch Up episodes will have no agenda, no topics for us to focus on, it's just me, Jonny & Yusef talking about what we've been watching or read in the news or what's going on in our lives.
This week we're talking Liam Neeson, Fyre Festival, Meditation Retreats, Jonny appearing on Pointless, Yusef being rear ended and much more.
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0:01 Speaker 1 We went to a meditation retreat, didn't we?
0:03 Speaker 0 It was amazing, but it was really difficult for anyone who is considering doing a meditation retreat, it's really fucking hard.
0:10 Speaker 2 Why did you buy a MacBook rather than a PC?
0:12 Speaker 1 Anyone, use a PC for three minutes and it'll answer that question. So I've been re-arrendered twice in the last month. In a car. In a car. We should clarify that. In a car. You know what it is? As soon as you feel that impact, the sense isn't it's not like ah my neck, it's it's just all of the admin flashes before you all of them like oh, the paperwork. This is
0:34 Speaker 2 why you shouldn't be allowed on a plane unless you've got an iPhone. And everything will be much simpler because the people who've made bad decisions would be confined to the where they live. You've finally got onto the life hack of getting your hair cut at home, haven't
0:46 Speaker 0 you? Yeah, I have. Before the hairdresser went round to his, she texted me to say, hang on a second, I'm about to go around to this person's house that I've never met before. I probably should think about my own safety. Is he is he a weirdo? And I'm like,
1:05 Speaker 0 ladies and gentlemen, look who's joined me again. Johnny and Yusuf from PropaneFitness.com. It's been a long while. Welcome back. Welcome.
1:13 Speaker 2 Thank you. Welcome to us. Welcome to you.
1:16 Speaker 0 So today we're doing a catch-up episode. No agenda, no topics in hand other than just what's been going on in our lives recently. So what's been going on in your life recently, Jonathan? What have you been doing?
1:28 Speaker 2 Why
1:28 Speaker 1 do you I always throw it in? Mr. Hot
1:30 Speaker 0 Potato. There you go.
1:32 Speaker 2 See, yeah, I have been on TV.
1:33 Speaker 1 Today.
1:34 Speaker 2 Love Island. Love Island 2019. Christ. Love Island. But you couldn't think
1:40 Speaker 1 of anything worse than going to Love Island. There are some worse things. Ad manager is you wouldn't be able to do your Facebook
1:46 Speaker 0 ads. So why were you on TV? God.
1:48 Speaker 2 So I was basically put on TV by someone who wanted to go on pointless but didn't have a partner. So if you if you don't watch pointless, it's a it's aired, I think it's six days a week in the UK. Have you ever seen pointless? No. You probably seen the bit that I was in. Yeah, right. So that was very much like me before I realised like on the train on the way down. I should probably watch an episode of this. Just run
2:16 Speaker 1 a hot spot and quickly getting up at the end. So there's a man you asked me. So
2:20 Speaker 2 it was in the in like the the warm-up. So you arrive, I'm in the room, and the woman said, sometimes people get to this point and they haven't seen an episode of the show, and I'm like, fucking
2:30 Speaker 1 So that is a common problem then. It's not like because I know you'd be the only person. She was
2:34 Speaker 2 making that out to be at least it's not that bad. Yeah, at least it's not that ridiculous. And you were just like, 'cause when you're there, you're in their world and everyone's there taking it very seriously. And the fact that you think it's all pointless and stupid, pointless. Yeah. Isn't funny. And it's not funny to you either, because you're about to go on national TV and potentially be made look like an absolute prick. But it it actually went alright. It actually went alright.
2:57 Speaker 0 Can you tell us about your
2:58 Speaker 1 jumper? This jumper. Yeah. No, the j so I called Johnny the day the day before he had to go down. This is a day of. You said I can't talk. I'm in Primark, I'm having a nightmare. I wasn't allowed to wear any of my jumpers, and I have to get a plain orange, green, or blue jumper.
3:15 Speaker 2 I
3:15 Speaker 1 couldn't
3:16 Speaker 2 be green. So it it the blue had been. Obviously, it couldn't be green specific blue. Oh, okay. Which is why it was the blue that I was wearing. And you only have navy. So you're not the biggest problem is you're not allowed anything with a logo. Yeah.
3:27 Speaker 0 And you'll have had an embroidery that's three centimetres tall. Like visible only from up close, but was too much. So that that's all my clothes.
3:37 Speaker 1 Yeah.
3:38 Speaker 0 So can they not just stick that on top of the logo?
3:40 Speaker 2 It depends on the the position.
3:42 Speaker 0 So the name tag's also not a very try and line that the name tags up because I'm taller than the minute. Well, so was yours at your uh
3:48 Speaker 2 your belly button. Yeah, no.
3:49 Speaker 0 It
3:50 Speaker 2 was slightly mine wasn't mid thigh. It's just not how he is. Um but yeah, it was it was fine. It was quite stressful. You came across very well. Thanks. I'm
4:01 Speaker 0 excited. Uh anyone who has not seen Johnny's episode of Pointless, it's now available on BBC I play around. So hurry the hell.
4:09 Speaker 1 You
4:09 Speaker 0 need to go and watch it now. Do you know what episode number
4:11 Speaker 1 it is? Twelve.
4:13 Speaker 0 Thank you. Is that a joke?
4:14 Speaker 1 No.
4:15 Speaker 0 I'll uh if I can find it, I'll put a link in the show notes below, so go and watch. Yusuf, what's been going on in your life? What's been happening?
4:22 Speaker 1 I've just been deep in the work cave, unfortunately. There's not you can see from my pasty complexion, I'm racially Arab and you wouldn't know. It's all been
4:30 Speaker 2 sucked out of it. Yeah.
4:32 Speaker 1 Um so I've got my finals coming up. So uh in three months' time, if I pass, then duck day.
4:39 Speaker 0 Duck day. You could be you you could be looking at someone's ailments. So it's the semi-finals now.
4:45 Speaker 1 So these are the semi-finals. Right, and
4:47 Speaker 0 then you get you qualifying to the final
4:49 Speaker 1 to the tournament and the uh premiership. There's the ra there's a round robin, isn't there at the start. That's all the football words I know in the thing in the fight. Offside. On the offside. Premier ships.
5:00 Speaker 0 Yeah. Are you showing up? You're showing off with your double pigeon, aren't we? I've got a slightly tight left hip.
5:05 Speaker 2 As always happens when I sit on this fucking sofa. Yeah.
5:09 Speaker 1 I've seen you on that podcast with the giant.
5:12 Speaker 0 It's always got a there was someone who commented on another violent video saying, Why is that blonde guy so big? And you're like, because you were just like
5:22 Speaker 2 Yeah. That was when you were at peak 1005 kilos as well, wasn't it? So the the interesting thing, so there's another episode of pointless, right? That's yet to air. So I thought it was going to be on tonight. It wasn't on tonight, so there's obviously a gap because there was a gap in filming of like three months. And in that time, I think I gained about five kilos and grew my hair.
5:42 Speaker 0 So you look like you can see. Yeah, so fair enough, and they're like, oh, you ruined the continuity. I bet
5:47 Speaker 2 they were about to run them day by day, and they're like, fuck it,
5:49 Speaker 0 that's we can't.
5:51 Speaker 2 Because they they say like try and not the change your appearance, and I'm for like sorry mate, I just commenced on Project Top Not. I just moved up away class. So when
6:00 Speaker 1 in the intro bit where they're like, oh Johnny, hello, welcome, what do you do? And you were like, I'm an online fitness coach, and they were like
6:07 Speaker 2 Well, what's that? Yeah.
6:09 Speaker 1 You know, you work in a gym at home and then you you tell people pajamas. Yeah.
6:16 Speaker 0 One of the lads the other day had a Skype interview for a placement, and one of the boys that he lives with took a photo from the side and he'd gone full suit from the waist up and boxes from the waist. That's excellent. The Trevor
6:29 Speaker 1 MacDonald.
6:34 Speaker 2 Yeah. What's been happening in Chris? Inside of Chris. Inside of me. Inside of the
6:40 Speaker 0 Um We went to uh we did a what is there on your water? There's a pube. I don't think it's a
6:46 Speaker 1 cube. Maybe it's one of my beard hells. It's unlike it. Most likely.
6:50 Speaker 0 Most likely, yeah.
6:51 Speaker 1 I you would it's funny how you just assume short hair is a pube. Sure actually. It's more likely to be.
7:01 Speaker 2 year nine.
7:05 Speaker 1 There are
7:05 Speaker 0 used to be
7:05 Speaker 2 jeans called pubes. Am I made
7:08 Speaker 1 by that up? Yeah. Think so. Another year nine thing. Wearing the chain with your wallet on. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. School trousers.
7:17 Speaker 2 Clip it on and then it comes back and then you wallet losing your pocket. Yeah. In case
7:20 Speaker 0 someone was gonna stick.
7:21 Speaker 2 People used to wear South Park characters on their jeans, you remember them?
7:25 Speaker 1 Oh, it's like with little stuff. We used to
7:26 Speaker 2 have a little Kenny or a little Kyle. Yeah.
7:30 Speaker 1 Flat hair, and then the quick shockways, shortways well, look. Shockwaves or political.
7:36 Speaker 0 We went to a meditation retreat, didn't we? We did. We did a one day in
7:41 Speaker 1 Arnhem monastery called Harnham. Harnum, a Rutanigiri in BLC. Beautiful place.
7:49 Speaker 0 It was amazing, but it was really difficult for anyone who is considering doing a meditation retreat, it's really fucking hard.
7:56 Speaker 1 It's the physical part of it that's hard, isn't it?
7:58 Speaker 0 Well it's just staying awake. Like, do you know being being sedentary but also staying awake, but having your eyes closed? Like it's an odd blend of time.
8:06 Speaker 2 It's an odd blend of uh So where did you sit? On the floor?
8:10 Speaker 0 Outside,
8:10 Speaker 2 inside.
8:11 Speaker 0 So we did uh f pretty much 50-50 of either walking or feel out, as in uh outside meditation versus uh feel-in sitting. So I was sat in a beanbag or walking around a lake, which was pretty beautiful.
8:23 Speaker 2 But is there like a room in the monastery that you go to? It was a number of rooms.
8:27 Speaker 1 So we went and sit in the Dharma hall where they've got a sandalwood burning and a big big Buddha statue and just a rack full of different cushions, and you can choose like the cushion based on your preference. And were there other people there? Pretty
8:40 Speaker 0 much no
8:40 Speaker 1 one.
8:41 Speaker 0 Quite quite. They should they should speak to they should speak to us at Voodoo Events that we get that place.
8:48 Speaker 1 But they'd love that.
8:49 Speaker 0 Yeah, like VIP cushions. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Q jump cushions. Yeah, exactly. Buy one get one free cushion. Yeah, that's all of the all of the above. Um what else has been happening? Lot podcasting.
9:00 Speaker 1 Lot podcasting podcast with Rory Sutherland, which you enjoyed. Anyone who
9:03 Speaker 0 has not listened to the episode with Rory Sutherland, go and check out now maybe in the show notes below. Chris getting absolutely pie when you're railroads.
9:11 Speaker 1 It is excellent. Good episode.
9:13 Speaker 0 So during the podcast with Rory, the British gas man came around to fix his boiler because he'd had a problem. And Rory's a little bit like kind of like Brian Blessed from Black Adder. He was
9:23 Speaker 2 a big sort of gruff British man,
9:25 Speaker 1 and he he speaks like that, and everything's a bit fucking shit, isn't
9:28 Speaker 0 it? And he uh the British gas guy came around. Obviously, I've cut bits out, but I had to or I endured the entirety of the exchange, and it was just hilarious. This British gas guy comes back after he's set him away in Westel podcasting, and I left this bit in. Sure, and if he comes back into the room and he's like, I'm it, it's uh it's all done in there now. Chris, one second. Well
9:52 Speaker 2 what what's
9:52 Speaker 0 that? Uh it's uh it's all all fit uh bloody already. Yeah, right. Yeah, you
9:56 Speaker 2 had uh
9:57 Speaker 1 you had three leaks actually coming, run with the top, run in the One in the middle, one at the bottom.
10:01 Speaker 0 Uh uh I'm I must give you I must give you twenty pounds. And he goes, No, mate, mate, it's it's absolutely fine. No, no, no, no, no, I mean have a good uh have a what day is it? It's Friday, have a have a have a good weekend, and then he gets back on the podcast and he hasn't put his headphones in yet, and I didn't realise and I said, Rory, is that a smartwatch you're wearing. Right! So Asia! And I'm like, oh fuck for anyone who's listening, it just sounds like it had the biggest cream pie ever.
10:35 Speaker 2 But so I was gonna ask you whether he tipped
10:38 Speaker 0 him,
10:38 Speaker 2 because I just heard that No no no no, I insist, I insist. Yeah, I think he
10:41 Speaker 0 got he got 20 quid out of his wallet and gave it to him.
10:43 Speaker 2 He the the thing that I really liked about him is the way he swears. Very tactical. Yeah. Because you know when sometimes people use swearing as as filler, the way he swears really makes it sound better. It's an accentuate sentence, yeah. Because he said fucking fucking hell. Yeah. Brilliant.
11:03 Speaker 1 It's because it's very deliberate. I think some people swear when they're thinking of words and buying for time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whereas this speech. You do that, don't you? Constantly.
11:13 Speaker 0 But it's idiosyncratic as well for a lot of people, whereas his is very deliberate, very precise speech. Which I think is that precise speech is one of the if you're designing a good podcast guest, all of the best podcasts that I've done with people who are precise with the speech, there's nothing more or less than they need to say, and they say exactly what they need to.
11:31 Speaker 1 I just think his opinion, I'm I feel such an affinity with him because of his opinion towards the shataffer, which is the bum spray, the high pressure bumps
11:40 Speaker 0 brain that they use because he was like in
11:42 Speaker 1 what other world would you get a bit of poo on your face and just uh I'll just wipe that off with a bit of dry paper, it'd be fine. It's a disgrace. I mean it's absolutely barbaric. In what other the Arabs they've got it,
11:52 Speaker 0 they've got it right, haven't they? And it goes, I
11:55 Speaker 2 don't know how I feel about this.
11:57 Speaker 0 What about the bum spray?
11:58 Speaker 2 Yeah.
11:59 Speaker 0 Wet toilet paper, people think it's just for fucking perverts, don't they?
12:04 Speaker 1 People with medical problems
12:06 Speaker 0 and but
12:07 Speaker 1 so he's he says that if we put those pre-wetted toilet papers rather than on the top shelf of the supermarket where it looks like the the pervert shelf. Yeah, if you just put it somewhere that's really accessible, yeah, then you can turn it into a mainstream thing. Well I just his
12:21 Speaker 2 I was saying this to yourself, like his job is just to sit and think, isn't it? At the top of a big Martin. He's at the top of a big organization that he's just got a big chair in a room. Cigar Chesterfield and thinks about like where might the world be going. So you if you go on Ogilvie's website and if
12:37 Speaker 0 you're on there, is he? No, no, he is. So I implore you to go on and have a look, and it says Rory Sutherland, vice chairman of Ogil V advertising, and below that the I swear to God, one of the first couple of sentences is something akin to Rory created his own job title, which is purposefully vague. Like,
12:58 Speaker 2 is there a chair or chairman?
13:00 Speaker 0 Yeah, there will be. But it must be on the board, I'm gonna presume as well. Um but then there's like Ogle V UK Og V, blah blah blah.
13:07 Speaker 2 Because David Ogilvy is dead. Yeah. So now it's he set up this massive
13:13 Speaker 0 all over the world, Mike. All over the world. But yeah, I mean, when he was he's some of the stuff he said about like you know, I I do think that the Russians are probably pretty shit drivers on uh you know on balance, but that's because of the everyone's every car seems to come with a bloody road camera in the front of it.
13:32 Speaker 1 And you're like so. Speaking of which, that's another so I've been re-arrended twice in the last month. In a car. In a car. We should clarify in a car. Yeah. Um was my fault, one wasn't. So the guy who's was my fault paid for the one who wasn't, so I'm break-even.
13:48 Speaker 2 And you've had two great experiences in them in the middle of the colour.
13:50 Speaker 1 Incredible experiences. It's you know what it is. As soon as you feel that impact, the sense the sense isn't it's not like ah my neck, it's it's just all of the admin flashes before you all of like
14:01 Speaker 0 oh
14:02 Speaker 1 the
14:02 Speaker 0 paperwork,
14:03 Speaker 1 oh like
14:05 Speaker 2 it's
14:05 Speaker 1 so it's such that's way more painful than any whiplash could could do because you're like
14:12 Speaker 2 There is certainly something afoot here. There's I I think I'm coming clusters like that. Well, I I'd love to know. So I have a theory that people with dash cams are getting more accidents than people without dash cams.
14:25 Speaker 1 So ironically, my dash cam, I got a crap one and it didn't record when it actually needed to work. So got re-rendered the first time, tried to take my dash cam out, plug it into the computer, and it records like 30-second clips of journeys that I've done five years ago. Nothing nothing about the the accident that I had. And then because it was still at home, I was trying to get the footage from it. So I'm just gonna get rid of it and buy a dual-facing one, because you think like most. Hang on, did you just have one facing in one direction? Just a front facing. Okay, yeah. So get a dual-facing one that connects to your phone or Wi-Fi is almost impossible.
15:03 Speaker 0 Really? Yeah, the reverse gap in the market, someone who has access to small portable video cameras. Does it just record onto a hard drive and then reset reset?
15:11 Speaker 1 So it records on dupe, yeah, and then it has some of them have a sensor, so if you if it has an impact, it'll save the last 10 minutes or something. So I mean
15:19 Speaker 0 a lot of the like stuff like Canary is I think it's 28 days that it records on cloud, and then after 28 days, it'll just be
15:28 Speaker 2 home security. Yeah, like same as
15:30 Speaker 0 nest or whatever, whatever. Um speaking of which, Darren got a nest. I think I've told you this before. He got a nest, which is like a smart uh thermostat for your house. And because he's him and his wife have got a young child and dogs and he has a chaotic working environment, like there's no continuing phone during a podcast is that is that what do you want me to do? Is it like turn it on silent? That's on silent, but it vibrates. Yeah. Is that what happens at night? Uh yeah.
16:00 Speaker 2 That's disgusting. It's only good things, I've told you. That's disgusting. I don't mind who doesn't like mind being woken up by a really good thing.
16:07 Speaker 1 That is a story that I don't know whether we've mentioned this, where I came to pick Johnny up at 7am for a competition. We were going to Leeds. I think we have spoken with him. But oh okay. Go on, go on, come on. Went to went to his family home, not in his door. This was a few years ago. Mum answered the door. And uh she I was like, have you seen Johnny? She's like, No, I've
16:25 Speaker 2 not
16:25 Speaker 1 seen him, I don't know where he is, and I just hear footsteps running down the stairs. Johnny's like, oh, like bleary eyed, like, what time is it? It's like it's 7.25. Like, oh god, and he was like, right, you know what's happened? My Apple Watch at 4am woke me up and just said, Beep beep, you've been sat down too long, time to get up. So I so I got it up and like and then my girlfriend was like, What are you doing, Johnny?
16:48 Speaker 0 He tried
16:48 Speaker 1 to think it's four in the morning, and I was like, oh
16:53 Speaker 0 mess
16:54 Speaker 1 today. So he went back to sleep, and then it didn't wake him up when you when you actually needed it.
17:00 Speaker 0 This is when we try and optimise too hard. Like so there was a good tweet that Jordan put out yesterday. Um George put out yesterday saying about asymmetric risks, and one of the biggest as that who it
17:13 Speaker 1 was. Yeah. Right. Well, Naval Ravacant via George. Oh god. But it
17:18 Speaker 0 wasn't Navel, was it? It was Navell Ravacant bot, which is owned by George. If you are on Twitter, check out Navajo. It's Naval Bot, N-A-V-A-L-B-O-T, and it's just like uh aphorisms that are unbelievable on on loop. Um one of the biggest, I think one of the biggest asymmetrical risks is single alarm clock. It's dangerous, man. Yeah, one day when it fails. Yeah, that's the day that you really really need it. Yeah.
17:48 Speaker 2 So buy so it's asymmetric risks and asymmetric benefits. Opportunity. Option. So in other words, the size of the game is smaller than the risk. Yeah. The size of the risk is smaller than the cost.
18:02 Speaker 1 So are the opportunities. Yeah. Yeah. So that's
18:04 Speaker 2 the what's the other one? Um that has a
18:07 Speaker 1 small upside. Small upside, massive dance. So for me. Texting while driving. Yeah. Texting
18:12 Speaker 0 texting while driving, texting another uh person while you're in a relationship is another one. Like you're gonna get a very limited upside benefit to that. We're doing naughty texts with another person. Yeah.
18:23 Speaker 1 Was it you that said like if you would if you had to show the text that you were writing while driving in court? Then uh yeah. Yeah. And let's say you had a crash, or you killed someone, you hit a pedestrian, and then in court, they're like, Well, what text were you writing? And you're like, lol, or like just some
18:39 Speaker 0 so fucking vapid shit. Yeah. The trouble is
18:44 Speaker 2 it when you're next in the car, watch how many people come in the other way are looking at the road. So few people. Yeah. And then you think, if they veer off, what am I gonna do? So
18:54 Speaker 1 with automated car uh what's called self-driving cars, apparently there's like a it's like a hundred or a thousand fold less risk to die by a self-driving car than
19:04 Speaker 0 it is to die
19:05 Speaker 1 some of the things. This is this is what this is. But people prefer to be um that like they're scared of self-driving cars because they would prefer to die by their own hand, even if it's a hundred or thousand dollars.
19:14 Speaker 0 Me and you both quote tweeted the same thing that we would prefer to die by our own volition than live at the behest of a machine. Unbelievable.
19:21 Speaker 2 Are you like suppose it's when it's when the machine goes wrong? It's the
19:25 Speaker 0 destroying
19:25 Speaker 2 a
19:25 Speaker 0 planet to make paperclip scenarios, isn't it? It's so the problem the problem that people have with it is that for some reason they're prepared with a huge amount of uh real risk that comes from humans, a huge amount of human risk, but this tiny and then they obsess about well, what if it's a mother of three versus a pram with a baby, and you're like when is that ever
19:47 Speaker 1 gonna happen? Well, even if it does like you make that decision. Yeah, okay, so it's a utilitarian. Somehow better to leave that decision in the hands of a human who's just gonna be like
19:56 Speaker 2 kill them both. Uh crash in a shop and kill ten people. Yeah.
20:06 Speaker 2 That's all you can do is
20:07 Speaker 0 outsource everything to Elon Musk. Yeah. Um I'll tell you what else I've been listening to recently, The End of the World with Josh Clark. That sounds cheery. Link will be in the show notes below. It is the most um advanced and clever use of the podcast platform that I've listened to so far. So if you can imagine a ten episode podcast series where he is talking about different existential threats, um as asteroids, AI risks, physics experiments, uh all sorts. Everything very, very comprehensive, and the entire show has been engineered by very, very clever uh sound engineers, and there's soundscapes going on in the background, so as he's talking about travelling through space, there's like whooshing space sounds and kind of low level music and rumbling when he'll talk about asteroids.
20:56 Speaker 1 It's gonna be great on three times speed. Just white knuckling the steering wheel. So here's here's the thing
21:06 Speaker 0 that is such a unique problem
21:08 Speaker 1 to have.
21:08 Speaker 2 I don't listen to po I do listen to audiobooks on two times speed. I listen to podcasts as they are. I think I see a podcast as leisure pleasure, but an audiobook is like I'm reading this for work to gain information. But you just see all audio as wasting your time. How about consume it as rapidly?
21:25 Speaker 1 But to be honest, three times pushes my limit a bit. But it's like
21:30 Speaker 0 you can't even get so the only way that you can get um three times speed is by going up to specific kinds of apps. So if even if you hacked scone app. If you're listening now on uh Apple Podcasts, I implore you to try this out. If you press the multiplication thing, it'll go one point five, two, not point five. So really yeah
21:49 Speaker 1 I'm using a new podcast app called Castro, which is excellent, but it only has like one 1.2, 1.5, up to 2, and then the next speed up is three, and two is too slow for me, and three is a little bit too fast. But it's
22:06 Speaker 0 fucking
22:09 Speaker 1 fast.
22:12 Speaker 0 But would you like an egg? Or
22:17 Speaker 1 and it metastases into bone cancer. How do you explain that?
22:23 Speaker 0 So it was just in Iceland, you were listening to some really kind of droll guy talk about all the different ways that shin cancer can become everything else. Yeah,
22:34 Speaker 2 so I I was sat. My bedroom was the living room. So I was on the sofa and Yusuf was very unwork the entire time. And I just could I'd wake up two mornings. First morning I woke up to Yusuf standing wearing a woolen hat and some shorts cooking on a portable hob in the corner of a room. That thing blew me away, by the way. The the portable hob. Yeah,
22:57 Speaker 0 it's it's like a if you close a laptop and make it twice as thick. That's a hob. And it's a yeah, it's a hobby. How is it
23:04 Speaker 2 generating
23:04 Speaker 0 the heat? Unbelievable. But yeah, so they just value space efficiency. Slow slow proof
23:09 Speaker 2 ESF's like crouched over this hob with a pan, turns around and says, Would you like an egg? Single egg, boiled egg. That was what he was offering me for my breakfast. Which I declined, I believe. So
23:20 Speaker 1 I think we only had three left, so it was just gonna be each.
23:23 Speaker 2 Yeah. And then we bought some Lucky Charms. Is that what I know? Which were the cheapest cereal in Iceland.
23:28 Speaker 1 9,400 pounds. As opposed to 900 grand,
23:31 Speaker 2 which was a discount, yeah. Nine and a half grand to get into the supermarket, then nine and a half grand for
23:36 Speaker 0 we talk about Fire Festival again. I've already talked about it with Alex Cortez, but it's just so good. Did you watch this? I've
23:41 Speaker 1 seen it now, yeah. Have you? Yeah. Do you realize you watch
23:44 Speaker 0 it at
23:44 Speaker 2 normal speed?
23:45 Speaker 1 Normal speed. You with on you and Ben's recommendation. Did you watch it with Amy? Yeah. Right. So I can't even the only times I'm forced to watch things at normal speed are if there's other people at the end of the day. You just got it. When
23:56 Speaker 2 you say something that doesn't fit into this is what you stuff does, you've got to find the the reasonable justification. Is he unwell? Yeah. Or is it
24:04 Speaker 0 unwell? Yeah. So one of my favourite to segue before we go on Fire Festival, one of my favourite things is where you say you can have a five pound discount on massages that you give people. So you're a trained masseuse. But you offer people a five pound discount if they allow you to listen to whatever podcast or audiobook you're listening to at the time. But obviously, if you flip that on its head, what you could look at is there is a five pound surcharge if you don't want to listen to what's in the moment.
24:34 Speaker 2 That's a good point. Five pounds is so arbitrary as well, isn't it? It's like, is it enough that you'd probably
24:41 Speaker 0 sit and think like do you want
24:42 Speaker 2 that? Because also someone say yes, because I remember uh Gibbo saying he he was having a he was like you said what's gonna be a massive use something about funnel marketing that's getting chance.
25:04 Speaker 2 It's actually you should charge people for that. That's free.
25:10 Speaker 1 Yeah.
25:12 Speaker 2 Well a lot of it's paid. Like it's either part of a nine grand a year degree, not if you're a paid programme.
25:17 Speaker 1 That's a good point, actually. Like it is value adding. Yeah. But it's just very much they recognise the value.
25:23 Speaker 0 Not if you're on O Send.
25:24 Speaker 2 Not if you're on OSEN, yeah.
25:26 Speaker 0 Um then to to f bookend that conversation when uh you've finally got onto the life hack of getting a haircut at home, haven't you?
25:35 Speaker 1 Yeah, I have, thank you.
25:36 Speaker 0 Um but excellent record. Before before the hairdresser went round to his, she texted me to say, like, hang on a second, I'm about to go around to this person's house that I've never met before. I probably should think about my own safety. Is he is he a weirdo? And I'm like
25:57 Speaker 1 you said, like no more than I am. Yeah, so
26:00 Speaker 0 the if the canary in the coal mine is me, like that's probably but and then apparently so I knew that this was gonna be I could foresee the Scobie problem occurring. Like, which was that
26:10 Speaker 1 he's not a touchy kind of tie you up, weirdo is just what you can listen to make you feel
26:16 Speaker 0 uncomfortable, yeah. So what I had in my head, and I knew it was gonna happen, and sure enough it did, was that Yusuf was gonna be sat down and he would be forced to make small talk with someone in his house, but he would know that at that point all that you needed to do would be like press the play button. But that there's too many, you know, like that as your on-ramp, like introduction, Yusuf 101. Like you can't have Yusuf 101 as
26:41 Speaker 1 well that that's it. Oh no, no,
26:44 Speaker 2 no, no, no, no, no.
26:45 Speaker 0 And I messaged her the next day, and I was
26:47 Speaker 1 like, did he um did he make did he play anything in that? She was like, No, no,
26:50 Speaker 0 I was like, fucking
26:51 Speaker 1 hell. I did, so I gave her a 10-minute grace period of small talk, and then I was like, right. I think we've reached the threshold of like I've established that I am a I that I can pretend to be a normal enough human for ten minutes. Hey, do you mind I'm just listening to the middle of the podcast? Can I and I was like, you know what, I'll be nice. Let's put the speed to a normal. I think I put it on like 1.2 and hope she wouldn't notice it.
27:15 Speaker 1 But it was uh it was um Stan Groff talking about like the the psychoanalytic map of human consciousness. I'm sure that she loved that.
27:23 Speaker 0 Yeah. She spends all day hearing to people he hearing people talk about reveal magazine. Fair well,
27:29 Speaker 1 to be fair, it's quite a yeah, it was like the cartography of archetypes of um Jungian architecture. Yeah, it was. So
27:36 Speaker 0 Firefest, tell me what you think, because I'm uh absolutely fucking amazed to find out what you you thought about that.
27:43 Speaker 1 So for anyone that doesn't know, I suppose Fire was a really impressively um it was a festival.
27:49 Speaker 0 It was an app. Oh,
27:50 Speaker 1 okay. So start it started off as an app, and then they decided to launch a festival off the back of it. Very good at hype. They hired a lot of uh supermodels and high high definition uh like high production value stuff to go and film the promo for a festival out in the Bahamas, buying one of uh Pablo Escobar's old islands, and they were gonna host it there. That's what they said. And so they they made it look like an amazing experience, got a lot of high profile people, like a bit weird, like Blink182 and Jar Rule, like all like captains of 1996. Um so
28:27 Speaker 0 they then Do you know it's amazing that you would have looked at that lineup and gone
28:33 Speaker 1 I've heard of them? What the fuck? Sounds right,
28:36 Speaker 0 sounds okay. I think I'll book my ticket. Oh, it's 10,000 pounds. Some
28:38 Speaker 1 41, I've heard of those people. Um so the the obviously it all fell down when they actually went to implement it and realised that the island had no infrastructure, the organization was a complete mess, and just seeing the whole thing progressively fall apart. The way that the documentary is made is so impressively stressful as well. Do you find this where like you sat there and you're like, oh
29:02 Speaker 0 my empathy uh as a business person just had me, like I was white knuckling. I was thinking it's right up
29:09 Speaker 1 your street because it's like Yeah Well, I mean for any
29:12 Speaker 0 of the club promoters that are listening, it is just it's all of our worst nightmares rolled into one.
29:17 Speaker 1 At what point could you tell that it was gonna go wrong? Game over. I realised that's all premise of the show.
29:22 Speaker 0 Pretty pr pretty soon, I think. Like as soon as they talk because it's the stuff that you don't think about the the infrastructure of things like bio waste disposal. Like the problem wasn't sealing the events
29:33 Speaker 2 getting rid of poo. Where do you put the poo?
29:37 Speaker 0 Hundred thousand dollars worth of Evion water that the ops director had to go and suck off the customs officer, and I turned up there, fully prepared to suck his
29:48 Speaker 2 dick. And you're like He got loads of positive. Oh yeah. Do you know what the other thing is as well doesn't by the way, couldn't you? Yeah, it's true. Um but so yeah, I mean People
30:00 Speaker 0 be like, that's a bit weird.
30:02 Speaker 1 Yeah.
30:04 Speaker 0 I thought it was it was really really I've watched it twice now, that's how much I enjoy. I felt very sorry for
30:09 Speaker 2 him. I might
30:09 Speaker 1 watch it again. Billy
30:10 Speaker 0 McFarland.
30:11 Speaker 1 No,
30:11 Speaker 2 no, I felt
30:11 Speaker 1 very sorry
30:12 Speaker 2 for the
30:12 Speaker 1 Dexter man. That's really arrogant of him. Because basically the customs officer held 100,000 litres. 100,000 worth. I think it was like 143.
30:23 Speaker 0 Okay, so 100 water.
30:24 Speaker 1 140,000 customs charge. And the guy said that he was going to go over because the customs officer was gay and try and seduce him. No, no,
30:32 Speaker 0 no. Everyone told him that this is what he had to do. This is what he had to do. Yeah, so he was like commandeered as like you're the highest profile gay man that we've got. Like you'll put a dick in your.
30:50 Speaker 1 I suppose
30:51 Speaker 2 it's just all you've got
30:52 Speaker 1 at that point, isn't
30:52 Speaker 2 it? Like it's either that or something. What
30:55 Speaker 1 would you have done? If it was the other way around, who would pay that much? I don't think anyone's ever paid 140,000 in the city. Absolutely. 140 grand. Why not? Because you just find someone that would willing to take 1390. I don't think the person in the in the moment of the transaction is
31:12 Speaker 2 that price of 140 grand. How's he paid it? Stripe. Oh
31:16 Speaker 1 no,
31:17 Speaker 0 2.9%
31:17 Speaker 2 charge.
31:20 Speaker 0 Honestly. But if you absorb that, if you absorb that as the as the vendor, you'd be like, for 140 grand blowjobs. Are you a
31:26 Speaker 1 registered business? You could claim that back on the uh transaction. Yeah, you can. No, I don't
31:30 Speaker 2 think you could. What's the what's the what's the input of that? There is none. It's a nightmare. It is an absolute nightmare. It's fucking perilous, isn't it? 140 grand blowjob.
31:41 Speaker 0 Um but yeah, I mean, one of them one of the main things I said this to Alex on the on the podcast was that the big difference, and this shows how seduced we are by success. The only reason that everyone slates that the guy that ran it and the festival itself is because it failed. And if the stars had aligned sufficiently correctly, and a bunch of very lucky things, the water had got sorted and the tents had got sorted, and it wasn't that weekend where all of the yachts were there and the island and it hadn't rained and this and the other. A bunch of things, basically his preparation and skill level and virtue and integrity hadn't moved at all on the meter, but all of their luck was turned up to 11, and it all worked fine. So if it was
32:22 Speaker 1 still fraudulently gaining, oh yeah, rich capital and all that stuff,
32:25 Speaker 0 but things like that. Had been successful, we'd be hailing him as the fucking and it's purely because we're so seduced by success. We want to be attached to success so much that it is by any means possible.
32:40 Speaker 2 So I think it's I think he's pretty smart bloke. So
32:45 Speaker 1 six years in jail now, is it? Not that smart. So but
32:48 Speaker 2 I've obviously yes, that that part's not smart, but like I think the like I I there are not very many people who could guess something to that point.
32:58 Speaker 1 Did you trust him? Did you think he was a charismatic guy?
33:01 Speaker 2 No, I didn't no, you don't trust him, I don't think he didn't come across at all as trustworthy. He
33:05 Speaker 1 seemed, yeah, he's got something weird about even as like he's got a strange gait when he walks. It's smarmy. And it's yeah, he's
33:11 Speaker 0 obviously got some sociopathic kind of like detachment tendencies. Because his
33:16 Speaker 1 facial expressions looked as if they were engineered. Like, do you know what I mean? As if he'd like thought, how can I like it?
33:21 Speaker 0 He was meta he was metacognizant for the entire time that he was like he was thinking like what would Billy McFarland say in this in this moment. Uh yeah. And apparently there's a Hulu version, which I'm yet to watch. There's this a same thing but different documentary, and the Hulu version focuses a lot more on him, right? Um which I'm looking forward to watching. Apparently, in that there's a bit some footage from when he's in court. It's this fucking crazy American system where you can just like take a camera in a court and just watch what's going on. Um yeah, apparently there's this bit where they say basically, did you say this? He says no, and they say his video of you saying that you did say it, and you can see apparently that like he's
34:04 Speaker 1 there's like a cognitive display. Yeah, where he's like
34:07 Speaker 0 hang on a second, like I did, but I didn't, but I did, but I'm like, hang on. It's obvious that he's just got he's a compulsive liar, yeah, who is unable to reconcile a number of different things that he's
34:19 Speaker 2 he's if you if you look at what he I know he didn't
34:22 Speaker 0 so he'd deliver on the on the product, but the the
34:25 Speaker 2 prep was very someone's made a fucking documentary about him, yeah. And so you think like everyone's very quick to criticize, and I completely understand that, but the fact is he made a he made a big wave out of an army. You need to just put him in the marching
34:40 Speaker 0 department and have him just very confined stuff. Yeah.
34:43 Speaker 1 I mean like don't let him near the ops. Like don't let him fucking order the coffee.
34:47 Speaker 2 But even stuff like getting everyone to post an orange tile. Yeah, I thought that's so
34:50 Speaker 1 clever. It's a very good idea to just keep him like cordoned off. Give him a room safe on a whiteboard. Nick could stay in there, mate. In a camera and he can just do what he was. So do you think he was delusional or deceptive?
35:02 Speaker 0 Combination. Because the I don't think that you can have that degree. I I don't think there's any amount of deception which would allow you to continue something when it's obvious it's not going to be a good one. Well, so when things were
35:12 Speaker 1 going wrong and he was like, guys, we can't think about that, we've got to be positive. Isn't that just like blind faith in his own ability and thinking no no, we've got to be positive about this, like just Tony Robbins this up as hard as we can, or is it like he knows that it's going wrong, but like just doesn't want is holding on to a problem.
35:32 Speaker 2 So I imagine he didn't start off thinking let's make this big scam. Oh, actually he started off thinking this is gonna work. And look you know when that guy like prices it all up and says, mate, this is like 30 million quid. Over the budget, yeah. And we've you've got six weeks to do it in, it's normally done in six months. Yeah. At that point, it's like something they said. Really? Yeah, let's start doing it. At that point, it's like fucking hell, like I either shit or get off the pot here, like I I better just go balls in with this. Yeah, and just hope it would be.
35:58 Speaker 0 The thing that was most impressive for me was where they were saying, so we'd run out of money, and then Billy would jump on a jet, go back to New York, and then he'd come back with another three million dollars in his pocket. And he'd be
36:11 Speaker 1 like, Billy, what the fu he's it's him, he's
36:15 Speaker 0 sucking he's sucking like whatever, 30 30 cocks. That's what he'd say.
36:19 Speaker 1 Do you think that's what he was doing? 30 times 140 minus handling fee minus a tax. So right.
36:30 Speaker 0 I
36:30 Speaker 2 don't think that's really what he was doing.
36:31 Speaker 1 No, no, no. But um
36:33 Speaker 2 But he was just lying about his finances wasn't he to get the get the funding. Do you
36:36 Speaker 0 see that
36:36 Speaker 2 he
36:37 Speaker 1 said he
36:37 Speaker 2 held he
36:38 Speaker 0 held a number of uh Facebook options and he had like 10 grand? Oh yeah, I remember that. Like five yeah
36:45 Speaker 1 because his previous business was like he sold it for a really small small amount, but
36:50 Speaker 2 it almost it felt to me like a someone with a gambling problem. Yeah, like he he loves the thrill of it and doesn't want the idea to do it. Some cost like, oh well, I'll just I'll just tell that lie and I'll just lie as well. It'll all work out in the end somehow. Like the one turn of the wheel I'll eventually play. Needs to read Sam Harris. That's what he needs
37:10 Speaker 0 to do.
37:10 Speaker 1 What's that called where you the the Chinese um thing where they they make you take incremental commitments that are slightly on off your moral radar, but because they're so small, you keep taking larger and larger ones until you're just deep down the hole, and then you sound like Darren Brown,
37:25 Speaker 2 Darren Brown documents.
37:26 Speaker 1 Well yeah, yeah. I think Darren Brown probably leverages that
37:30 Speaker 0 process very much. It's the it's the reverse of compounding interests, isn't it? It's like a number of small compounding bad decisions, and before you know it, you like strung up by your nipples in Russia somewhere. It's just seems fine because it was only one extra decision away from one. Have you seen the the Ted Bundy tapes yet? Yeah,
37:50 Speaker 1 Johnny. No. Have you seen it? Yeah. Oh my god.
37:53 Speaker 2 You should have seen something that you've got. So I nearly I started watching it, but I was like, oh. It's pretty fucking good. Is it good? Yeah, I thought it was
38:00 Speaker 0 pretty good. Great. Yeah. It's exciting.
38:02 Speaker 1 He's just he's just a very charismatic, good-looking guy that happens to be a psychopathic killer. Systemically naughty. Although that there is still a divide between I think the person that he thinks he is and wants to try and be very much like the Billy thing, actually, it's quite quite scary. That's what that's my
38:18 Speaker 0 mind. There's another
38:19 Speaker 1 one that James Bailey recommended me to watch, which I've seen, called Abducted in Plain Sight. So I've watched that. That's fucking weird.
38:27 Speaker 0 Oh Christ. You should watch that. Is Maddie McCann on it? No. Similar. Oh my god. Like why? Give us a synopsis. So that's it. That's
38:37 Speaker 1 the out of the three shows that you've mentioned, that's easily the best total. I was I
38:42 Speaker 2 stood up to get a drink, right? I'm walking, walking to the fridge, and someone says something, and I turned round and went,
38:48 Speaker 1 Yeah. I was like, I can't believe should we spoil it for the audience? I don't
38:52 Speaker 2 know. No, I don't spoil
38:53 Speaker 0 it. Don't spoil it.
38:54 Speaker 2 Well I mean there's a scene where a guy there's two men in a car. Yeah. Do you know the bit I'm about to say?
39:04 Speaker 1 Yeah, but I I feel like the the preamble is is the most like what led to that point is makes it seem even more ridiculous. Okay, I'll
39:12 Speaker 2 I'll not say.
39:14 Speaker 0 Okay, well, so
39:16 Speaker 1 basically, it's a family, three daughters. They made friends with another family. The husband of the other family developed a they developed a friendship and he developed a particular proclivity for one of the daughters, Jan. He would the parents were aware of it and they were like, oh yeah, it kind of angered us, but we thought, you know, whatever, carried on. And then he would end up staying over at their house multiple times, staying in Jan's bed. One day, the father was away, wasn't able to take Jan to horse riding class. He said, Oh, I'll do it, drugged her, took her away, abducted her for several days. The parents didn't call the police or the FBI until five days later, because they were like,
39:54 Speaker 0 oh, maybe they're just you know horse riding or something. That's the tip of the
39:58 Speaker 1 iceberg. It's the tip of the iceberg. And and so then um and and prior to that as well, what it turned out was that the man had made sexual advances towards the wife of the other family, and so they had a little cigarette that so she felt hesitant to actually go to the authorities about and then later the husband and this other guy had gone on a camping trip, and the husband was like, and we were sat in the van, and he he looked over at me and he had an erection, he was like, Man, I just need some relief. Would he help me out? He helped brother out, and I was like, So I I performed an act of masturbation on you're like, what the fuck is so he's managed to like have sex with both of the parents from the other thing and abduct the child and then tried to marry it, but eventually he manages to return the child back to the house.
40:45 Speaker 1 With the receipt, does he have proof of purchase? Proof of purchase. They they don't speak to him for a few weeks, and then he becomes mates with them again, stays back at a house over and then abducts her a second time. And and when when he's abducted her a second time, the parents then know that this happened, and they know that he's had previous convictions of being a child abductor, but he said to them, Oh, don't worry, I'm recovered now, but part of my therapy is to stay in the bed with little girls, and the parents are like, Oh, that sounds legit, okay. Um
41:18 Speaker 2 they let him stay in the bed. There's a bit where it's like he was sleeping in a room five nights of every seven. In her bed, in her parents. But it's a very similar thing where
41:29 Speaker 0 the parents completely.
41:31 Speaker 1 Well, no, again, this is one of these questions where are they delusional? Are they complicitly? Again, it
41:36 Speaker 2 starts off with oh, I just wanted to take a horse riding once, and then very quickly becomes this mess of just it
41:45 Speaker 1 makes you so angry the parents. Yeah,
41:47 Speaker 2 yeah. It's just like completely neglected. It's great that you're watching these things.
41:52 Speaker 1 I've just been steamrolled into watching. But it's it's
41:55 Speaker 2 I I feel like regular TV is brain dead pointless, but stuff like this is really interesting. It's surely it
42:04 Speaker 0 must be it must be as palatable as you can make television.
42:07 Speaker 2 Yeah,
42:07 Speaker 1 it is. It's it just
42:09 Speaker 0 it's
42:09 Speaker 2 quite
42:10 Speaker 0 a
42:10 Speaker 2 complex plot.
42:11 Speaker 0 There's quite a lot of information, big mixture of emotions, yeah. Because the thing is as well, like no one ever has this conversation about coronation street.
42:18 Speaker 1 Like, did you see the the the complexities of the metacognition of
42:24 Speaker 0 Roy Crocker? And you're like No. No, because it's all just can Bart. So funny
42:30 Speaker 2 enough, there would be no coronation street plot that even came close to the ridiculousness of the street. And that's real. Yeah, and this actually happened. That is true. You
42:40 Speaker 1 couldn't make the stuff up. You couldn't see making murderer. Liam Neeson. Uh Liam Neeson. I saw one thing of it and then I was like, I think if you
42:48 Speaker 2 if you stuck with that, you'd persevere. It's a very similar thing where it gets to end and you're like, I can't
42:53 Speaker 0 believe this is happening. Have you watched the second season? No. Second season's not as good, but just like the first season spanned 20 years, right? Pretty much of timeline. Yeah, yeah. The second one spans since then until now. So it's like, they're gonna have much to stretch this. But they've got there's a the lady lawyer who is representing him. Right. Is she
43:14 Speaker 2 just promoted? Motherfucker, yeah, an absolute like property. Just whe wheeling the big minigun and just point of good.
43:21 Speaker 1 Yeah. When the noise is so uniform, it's not a physical arm. Yeah,
43:25 Speaker 2 yeah. The um there's another one called The Staircase. Have you seen that? No. It's about a guy who gets a guy's in the house with his wife, and his wife dies by falling down the stairs, and the police arrive, but there's like blood all down the stairs, like smeared everywhere, and he's like, She just fell down the stairs. It's in the UK. No, it's in the US, and he's a famous author. Fiction. No, it's it's proper shit like police tapes and stuff, and people are like, and we came to the house and she's in a right mess, like just blood everywhere, like all this like all of the wall and everything, and he's like, Yeah, yeah, she just must have fallen down the stairs. And it that's great as well.
44:04 Speaker 1 There'll be this camera footage that vindicates her where she just absolutely stacks them. It's a bloody clutch. Reminds me of this video, it went went viral a few years ago of this guy who breaks up with his wife. Do you know about this? Where he he creates like a trail, like a Valentine's trailer. Yes,
44:22 Speaker 0 have you seen it? Oh it's the it's really savage. I'll try and find it and link it in the show notes below. Yeah, it's like a a uh incremental set of videos. This guy finds out his wife's been cheating, then leads her on this like Valentine's Day uh scavenger hunt thing through the house to the bed and the bed's covered in roses, and it's uh at the end of it. So that there's like
44:46 Speaker 1 a card and it's shaped like a heart, and she has to go around and find the different things, and there's a clue written on each thing, and she eats a chocolate, and she gets up to the bed, and it's like um we will uh we this is the final stage of of our little trail. Um we will then spend the next the next time at Northern Lights in the Hail. Um I finally have one more question for you when I get one on down on one knee and ask you who the fuck is Thomas Roo
45:16 Speaker 0 as she
45:16 Speaker 2 looks up and and and he's just like see you later
45:19 Speaker 0 and he
45:20 Speaker 1 locks the door, puts the key through the door, and he's like, that's just proof so that the police know that I haven't got a key anymore, and he drives off into the night singing into her dildo. Um just films himself, and like the whole time there's a lot of like excitement in his voice, but you can hear the tone of sadness underneath where he's just like
45:40 Speaker 0 that's the way to deal with it though, and like it he's British as well, isn't he? Yeah, like the guy is like from yeah, he's like just Yorkshire or or Leeds or something like that, and the guy's it's very realistic, and it's all filmed in like 916 vertical on like a front-facing camera for right,
45:56 Speaker 1 darling. Read clue number four, and then okay, over to the next one, and you've got and it's like he's put like sparkles and glitter on the car.
46:05 Speaker 2 He's like masterminded this real just
46:08 Speaker 0 accessed another level of cognition because he's been so hurt by it, yeah.
46:12 Speaker 1 You're driving off with her dildo like that's the final level of thought of Arshall or what about that's
46:16 Speaker 0 actualization, isn't it? Actualization. That's self-actualisation, like the dildo. I mean, like Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and then at the very very top, it's just on the top is the tip of the dildo tip of the dildo. Liam Neeson, we were gonna talk about Liam Neeson. This is a fucking minefield for us too. So can we
46:32 Speaker 1 get some background on
46:33 Speaker 0 Liam Neeson? Um for the people who don't know
46:35 Speaker 2 Liam Neeson
46:36 Speaker 0 has a very
46:37 Speaker 2 particular set
46:38 Speaker 0 of skills. Yes, he does. Well, he he does, and that's the issue. Um Liam Neeson.
46:44 Speaker 2 Oh
46:45 Speaker 0 that's the first sound video guy Dean has ever made, but he's not in the room. Um so Liam Neeson uh is promoting a new film, which I think is actually a dark comedy. I don't think it's actually an action film, it's a dark comedy about revenge, and during an interview, he is asked, How do you understand the emotions that are going through this? And in his very sort of dark, slow uh
47:10 Speaker 1 gravelly kind of way
47:11 Speaker 0 Irish voice, he says, well, uh I have a personal experience with this. A close friend of mine was raped, and I asked her, Did she know the person? And she said no, and I said what ethnicity was she, and she said it was a black man. So for the next few nights, I went out with a kosh, which is like a small baton walking the streets of Ireland in black neighbourhoods looking for a black man to start on me so that I could kill him. And after a little bit of time, I sort of caught myself, and a lot the uh emotions had drained a little, and I was able to be shocked at my own degree of behaviour, nothing had occurred, but that's how I'm able to embody or understand this particular degree of revenge.
48:04 Speaker 1 He all he talks about the shame that he felt on himself and said I realised that even this was me feeling this in the context of living in Northern Ireland and um seeing all of the the atrocities that are that are done, and yeah, still having falling prey to that same thought loop and then realising that actually I'm just as bad as them, and then yeah, so I guess he said he had that thought 40 years ago, was it? Yeah, and so people were slating him now. They're calling him a racist for having a thought 40 years ago that he's recognised acted at it, and he did act on it, yeah. Well,
48:38 Speaker 2 yeah, I suppose
48:40 Speaker 1 supposed to no consequence, similar to what you said about the fire thing where like nothing was too.
48:46 Speaker 0 I mean, so the the thing that's so do you see John Bar John Barnes? The football stuck up for him has come out saying he's a hero, and you're like, I mean, fair enough, John Barnes, not the first person I'd think of to call on very very peculiar,
49:00 Speaker 2 that isn't
49:00 Speaker 0 it. Where's that connection? Do you know if Liam needed to call on someone of like a black heritage? You wouldn't be like, yeah, I'm gonna ring
49:08 Speaker 1 John
49:09 Speaker 0 Barnes. Like you thought like Denzel, you know, Denzel. I bet you know,
49:14 Speaker 2 Danzel, very similar guys, aren't they? Yeah. Like equalisers
49:18 Speaker 0 are sort of out, wouldn't he?
49:19 Speaker 1 Ainsley Harriet was gravitas as Ainsley Harriet bring to the conversation other than being black. He's in the
49:27 Speaker 0 lunatic. It's not Ainsy Harriet that does the adverts for the travel lodge,
49:31 Speaker 2 is it?
49:36 Speaker 2 Chris That's Lenny Harry, isn't it? I mean that's a smidge racist. Well,
49:42 Speaker 0 no, that the two similar aged British black like per TV personalities. Okay.
49:54 Speaker 1 I think no, I think it's actually because um Lenny Henry has a routine where he was approached by Certain media company saying, can can you do this gig for us? And it's slowly transpired that they thought he
50:05 Speaker 0 was Any Z Harry. Is that true? Yeah, so it
50:08 Speaker 1 I think it's one of the routines that one of them has anyway. Okay.
50:11 Speaker 2 So have you seen all of the AZ Harriet videos where he's people have like really taken it seriously?
50:16 Speaker 1 They've gone full video guiding on it and edited him down to it. They put like horror
50:22 Speaker 2 music
50:23 Speaker 1 over the top and then
50:24 Speaker 2 easy Harry on the top of a on the top of a cliff can happen. Why is he doing this? And then he's like whisking this thing for ages and slowed down and getting and then he's rubbing meat and just give you a good old rap, good old rap, and there's a whole like very harrowing
50:41 Speaker 0 series on YouTube of this stuff. Jesus, it'll be on Reddit or 4chan. Honestly. I love
50:47 Speaker 1 how the internet does that. It just rolls with something. It's just fully and
50:50 Speaker 2 he'll have no idea why.
50:52 Speaker 0 Yeah. So yeah, Liam Neeson and then John Barnes, and there's there's been a he's been a subject of a an awful lot of derision for it, I suppose. Which is mad because you are right, like it was 40 years ago, it was something the main question is can someone be held accountable for thoughts that they have, because you are right, that's essentially all that happened. And the argument is well, if it had been uh Irish man or if it had been uh Swiss person or a German or a Asian or whatever it is, the the racism wasn't racism, it wasn't racism against people of black heritage, it was tribalism against anyone from the tribe of people who are not.
51:42 Speaker 1 It was an avatar, right? He was
51:43 Speaker 0 looking for someone to outlet that aggression onto and Sam Harris and Joe uh Joe Rogan said like hit the nail on the head. And they were like, if you want people in the world to be able to learn from others' mistakes, like that situation, you're not going to get much more perfect than this is a learning opportunity for everybody to understand someone who has everything to lose talking about a situation like this. So Liam Neeson, with all of his qualities and virtues that everyone admires him for being this amazing actor and looking so cool, and you know, like he's he's everyone's perfect uncle, isn't he? Really, and you're like and this guy has had the bravery to come out, and even he, as talented and famous as he is, is still false prey to these kind of juvenile.
52:31 Speaker 0 I suppose it's by
52:33 Speaker 2 should he not have thought it, or should he not have said that he thought it? Because those are the only two things that have happened, and people are criticising him, so I'm sure most people have had a dark thought at some point. And so
52:44 Speaker 1 the lesson is here that you're not allowed that if you have a dark thought like that, you can't tell you. Never talk about it, yeah. Is it as if that's the solution? So he
52:51 Speaker 0 got the he got the kosh out and he walked out with it. So it's more than a dark thought, isn't it? That's what everyone's got. Okay,
52:57 Speaker 2 okay. So I suppose it's that's an action of someone in a very emotional, very he's very upset, very angry, taking a step towards acting on something, but caught himself before he did it. But it's still better than acting on it. Well, definitely, yeah. So it is a difficult one though. I see that you
53:17 Speaker 1 know that there are people, especially the the the thought police kind of people that try and jump on things like this, they are under this illusion or lie that they don't have prejudices as if as if they're somehow these like beacons of it's like everyone has prejudices. That the data shows that like so fat people is a particular example that the data shows that people who look at photos of fat people on average will rate them as less intelligent and um less charismatic or less likable, and there's certain qualities that or lazy, yeah. They say lazy,
53:52 Speaker 2 smelly, all those sorts of things, like they just associate it with lack of discipline, I think, don't they? And what that feeds into
53:58 Speaker 1 the you know, there's there would be similar ones with with all kinds of minorities or or groups of people, but
54:05 Speaker 0 any characteristic. Yeah, any characteristic, yeah. Someone who's
54:07 Speaker 1 got curly hair, someone who's tall, someone who's short. Well, actually, you have to be able to discriminate to be able to navigate your way in the world, so it's not as if um if you just eliminate all of that, people be like, oh, I'm blind to colour or I'm blind to whatever. It's like that's not you're not very effective effective actor there,
54:23 Speaker 0 are you?
54:24 Speaker 1 Yeah, it's well it's it's just not possible. Like you, you know,
54:28 Speaker 2 this is uh It's it's the same about people who I remember the reason I watched the fire documentary was my like Instagram social media like lights up with everyone's got an opinion on why he was shit. But like you don't know you it's easy to just look at him, look at a guy who's like tried to make something fantastic and it's gone down the shit, and he he really made a mess of it in lots of ways, but like at one point it started off as a great idea and a brilliantly executed idea that might have been fantastic, and no one knows how they would have reacted in his situation when they were faced with this like fucking hell, like I've taken this too far. It's very easy to sit from the armchair and be like, oh well, actually, most people couldn't even get anything to that point. Another scene,
55:10 Speaker 0 another scene from the Fire Festival documentary's come in my head, which is Jar Rule sat on that Google hangout with everyone in the room, and he's going like
55:21 Speaker 2 hell guys, like you know, we don't
55:23 Speaker 1 need to worry, yeah, like nobody died, and you're like
55:27 Speaker 0 okay, like yes, you're right, nobody died. And what's the example that he uses?
55:32 Speaker 1 I remember watching that thinking like it's could have been quite likely people could have died on that. Yeah, he uses an example of like some company that came back from the
55:40 Speaker 0 from the brink and was like look, they're not no, that was one of the examples that was used that was used by the other guy, wasn't it? But it's like you know, like uh oh, it's uh Samsung. It's like oh Samsung, you know, they're blowing up phones in people's pockets, like you know, we we're not killing anyone, you're like right, yeah, maybe you're not fucking Samsung either, are you?
55:59 Speaker 2 They had quite a lot of reputation before phone side. Well
56:02 Speaker 0 they didn't open up with a brand new phone that blew people's legs off. Have you seen as well? You you will have done because you get on flights all the time to weddings, don't you? Because um have you seen now that if you drop your phone in between the seats of a plane, you're not supposed to move your seat or try and get the phone yourself. You need to bing and wait for the attendance to come to come. Why? Because their concern is if you have like a Samsung Galaxy Note 7 or whatever the fuck it is and you move you move your seat back, crack it, all right, and the lithium battery goes that everyone's up in fussy. This is why
56:37 Speaker 2 you shouldn't be allowed on a plane unless you've got an iPhone. And everything will be much simpler because the people who've made bad decisions would be confined to the where they live. That is true. Rory Groy
56:49 Speaker 0 Sutherland says the same. He's like,
56:50 Speaker 1 you know, after a while, people don't care about clock speed or mega pixels
56:56 Speaker 0 for the for the front facing camera. After a while, they just want something that looks nice.
57:00 Speaker 2 You're
57:00 Speaker 0 like, well, that's it. That's exactly why So
57:02 Speaker 2 the fact that you have an iPhone and you have a MacBook is that is
57:08 Speaker 0 the explanation of why it's a better decision. You are canary in the coal mine for
57:13 Speaker 2 you you shop on features you don't care about the fact like
57:16 Speaker 1 pods this though, this is like okay. Quite an old iPhone
57:20 Speaker 2 like the the Google Pixel or like whatever the latest Samsung is probably on a features per per pound basis is much better.
57:28 Speaker 1 That's not my criteria though. Yours is integration with existing. Yeah, it's it's convenience integration and speed of of access for stuff, which is why Alfred is the closest thing to my heart that anything ever could do. Well, you had. Oh, I've I've got it for the the webinar. Um maybe George got me a lovely Christmas present, which is a cap that says make Alfred great again. So fucking good. They don't even have an affiliate scheme. Like Alfred, what are you doing? If you don't know, if in touch with him, yeah, you do
57:56 Speaker 0 know that if if ninety-five to ninety-eight percent of people who are listening won't know what Alfred is, and they're thinking this fucking Alfred fella's good, isn't he? He's got a hat about him. Sounds like a nice nice lad. Yeah, he's a he's a bloody good fella. I'll tell you what, if Liam Neeson had had Alfred. Oh,
58:10 Speaker 1 he wouldn't have had these problems.
58:11 Speaker 0 He wouldn't have done it
58:12 Speaker 2 all. So why do you have why do you buy a MacBook rather than a PC? Because you didn't buy it because he thought Alfred exists.
58:20 Speaker 1 Yeah, I I didn't, but I think use a anyone, use a PC for three minutes, and it'll answer that question. So
58:29 Speaker 2 many people like because it where I used to work, everyone has PCs. Uh this is that mandatory as well. Yeah, as well as just what their system's run on.
58:36 Speaker 1 So we we've both worked in companies where you're forced to use a big computer and the whole time you just have to do it. When you speak to
58:41 Speaker 2 someone who uses a PC, they think Mac's like, oh, I can't use it. There's no my computer, there's no you know, no control panel, what do I do?
58:48 Speaker 1 That that onboarding process to learn to use a Mac is about 30 minutes, isn't it? Like I think that's there's such a weak excuse to say like
58:56 Speaker 0 it is like using the the only comparison that I can make between having a MacBook and having anything else is actually no, I I've never used Linux or or like those other things. I see that as
59:08 Speaker 2 like stabilizers off, like really good if you can make it work, or you just it's not ABC wants to do it.
59:16 Speaker 1 So it used to I think about 10 years ago, maybe 15 years ago, you if you had a bit of developing knowledge, you could really use Linux to your advantage and it was at the forefront. Now Mac has even overtaken that, and there are a lot of developers moving over to using Mac as a as a thing. Um and the problem with PC is that because it's incumbent, because large banks and you know, lots of there's lots of corporate use of Microsoft, even though it's terrible and even though there's so much problems with it, because the cost of switching everything over is so large. I don't know, I've
59:50 Speaker 0 never ever walked into Santander or like Lloyd's and looked behind and got everyone's got really ironic, yeah. It's not
1:00:00 Speaker 2 Some of that'll be cost. I suppose big sub but processing power is
1:00:04 Speaker 1 it's so ironic because like if if they add up all I mean how let's say if you were to add up all the time that you spent waiting for a computer at your old job um like per day well not even that the amount of times out to repair my computer okay so so the number of work hours that the like total labour that's lost multiplied by all the employees of the company it's gotta go into the buyer on a MacBook Proyo Macro it's just
1:00:28 Speaker 0 it's like using a different machine, it's a different category of everything
1:00:34 Speaker 2 have you ever have you ever played in a phone shop with a different phone that isn't an iPhone? Not for a long time. I just feel like I don't know, obviously I'm biased, but I feel like using it is more cumbersome in every way.
1:00:48 Speaker 1 I'd I would honestly love if if anyone's watching this on YouTube and you have a a sincere objection to or some reason that we're overlooking a style. Why should we use a Google Pixel? Why should
1:01:00 Speaker 0 we use a Samsung Galaxy Note 7 or a LGBTQ
1:01:03 Speaker 1 of all ears? Like I'd I'd be keen to switch if there's some convincing. I think most of it
1:01:07 Speaker 2 the m most of the people that have said to me you should switch it. It's on it's on either on price or because they don't like Apple. So like the reason my reason for not buying a Samsung is not because I don't like Samsung, it's because I like Apple and what Apple make and everything just actually.
1:01:24 Speaker 1 I want to like Samsung. I want to like a PC. You're just a contrarian of it.
1:01:29 Speaker 2 If it's much better then great. Yeah. But you're right, like if you had to then buy a Samsung laptop to get the same connectivity, you would have a worse experience than what you have now.
1:01:38 Speaker 0 The downstream effects of changing that device are AirPods don't work. Oh iPod, they really have got us locked in on iPad won't sync up like laptops not going to sync up.
1:01:53 Speaker 2 And I had the lap the password for the Wi-Fi and you two didn't press a button and you both got the password. Yeah. You know, so that's things like that. Someone sat and thought, what's someone's life like with a MacBook? And then let's make it a little bit easier. Yeah. And that's what they do. It's Apple Family. So
1:02:08 Speaker 1 it's changed David's life. He he was staunchly one of these like I hate Apple, I'm not paying 300 quid for a laptop, which was second hand refurbished Apple MacBook. I was like, that's honestly a fucking deal of the century. He was like, no, no, no. And I was like, look, just bite the bullet, do it what I had I had to bully him into buying one. He eventually did. And now after a couple of weeks of his ego kind of he's been like, you know what, Yusuf. Yeah. Because he got Alfred. No. I I have to take him stuff out to study. He's a big technophobe, yeah. But he's like, why didn't I do this earlier? This is such this has made my life. He had he used to have a Chromebook. I think you saw it. Yeah, it was falling apart. It was held by two little threads, and like all the plastic was peeled off, and he had to like hold it like that and hold the plug in the socket as well. Otherwise it would flicker off and it would only work if you held it at a certain angle.
1:02:56 Speaker 1 I was like, David, you've really ran that into the ground. Like, do not feel guilty about treating yourself to a new device
1:03:03 Speaker 0 at
1:03:03 Speaker 1 this stage.
1:03:03 Speaker 0 Unbelievable.
1:03:05 Speaker 2 But yeah.
1:03:06 Speaker 0 Liam Neeson. Liam Neeson.
1:03:08 Speaker 2 New AirPods as
1:03:08 Speaker 0 well. New AirPods coming out in March. How do you know that?
1:03:12 Speaker 1 You
1:03:12 Speaker 2 said I Googled this yesterday.
1:03:14 Speaker 1 Yeah. Do you know what it was? Oh god. Is
1:03:17 Speaker 0 it not true? No,
1:03:18 Speaker 1 no, I you lied. I saw a I saw some related video for something, and it said best knockoff airpods, $50. Right. And it was a guy reviewing these knockoff airpods, and then the thing after that I said AirPods 2. So I looked up AirPods 2. Uh huh. And yeah, they seem they do like a matte black version that's going to come out next month with some of the features. It just doesn't excite me at all. Like my my bean pods
1:03:44 Speaker 2 are lovely. I think they I think the features are wireless charging and Hay Siri being.
1:03:49 Speaker 1 I can't believe that's not
1:03:51 Speaker 2 part of the just double tap it. Yeah, you double double tap tack, like
1:03:55 Speaker 1 I've got Hey Siri on MacBook now. Did
1:03:58 Speaker 0 you not
1:03:58 Speaker 1 have it before?
1:03:59 Speaker 0 No. It's a special setup you have to do to to enable Hey Siri. Oh what? But it just picks it up. Yeah.
1:04:06 Speaker 1 Well we'll go over that in LifeHacks 1012.
1:04:10 Speaker 2 Wow, really?
1:04:11 Speaker 0 Yeah, I'll I'll
1:04:13 Speaker 1 go through that.
1:04:13 Speaker 2 So exciting. Can we do life hacks now? Yeah,
1:04:16 Speaker 0 but I'm just having a look here. So it's saying that um the potential release date will be within the next couple of months. Latest news, iPods 2. If this is true, it's so shit. AirPods 2 will reportedly support a grippy new coating to make the plastic less prone to slipping out of your hands and ears. Another feature, improved base, although the design is uh expected to remain the same. Another thing which could be quite cool would be um that you could have biometric uh sensors in them so you'd be able to have them tracking fitness tracking from your ears. So
1:04:46 Speaker 2 there would only work when you
1:04:48 Speaker 1 go
1:04:50 Speaker 0 for the people who are listening, Yusuf's making a rude gesture with his crutch.
1:04:58 Speaker 2 Yeah. Um racking up steps. Yeah,
1:05:00 Speaker 0 we're gonna do we can do a life axe episode. So hold on,
1:05:03 Speaker 2 no, no, about that. Apparently, if you have an Apple Watch and these new AirPods, the Apple Watch can measure your heart rate, but the AirPods can measure temperature no like volume, like pulse volume or something. What do you mean the volume? I don't know. Do you mean the volume? No, no, no, it's to do with like the I don't
1:05:22 Speaker 1 know, help me out, man. Help me out. This is your this is your bit. So the the this because I know the Apple Watch has an ECG,
1:05:28 Speaker 2 apparently. So something to do with because it can feel your blood flowing. Like blood pressure. Picks up something else. I don't know. It was in a it was in a tech crunch article that read. The bottom line is that you need to buy a pair
1:05:40 Speaker 0 of airpods. Um they'll change your life.
1:05:43 Speaker 2 Who doesn't in the modern wisdom group have them? Just him. Did George and Jordan both get them? Yep, off the back of Life Hacks 101.
1:05:49 Speaker 1 I just I don't think I would get anything out of it.
1:05:51 Speaker 2 The trouble is now is that it's got to the point where it's meta now, isn't it? You to get them, they'd have to be so good. We've created a we've created an entire narrative, and they were like, these are quite good, and you've got to be a little bit more than that.
1:06:03 Speaker 1 These don't stay in my ear properly, the sounds a bit rubbish, like you've got to charge them separately. I just and it looks like you're wearing a tampon in your ear. The whole thing, the whole package just doesn't do it for me. I think
1:06:14 Speaker 2 you what you're now doing is is justifying post hoc. Yeah.
1:06:17 Speaker 1 I can see why you'd think that.
1:06:26 Speaker 2 However, because also if we got you some, that would I think make it worse.
1:06:32 Speaker 1 I I would honestly be annoyed at you if you because I know my birthday's coming up, and I know that you've probably you you've you've probably like considered it, and I will be very annoyed. Like, and I'm not just saying this, oh guys, don't bother, don't give me anything. Like, I'll I'll be actively upset. Do you remember what
1:06:46 Speaker 0 do you remember what we got him last year?
1:06:50 Speaker 1 Got him ham. Don't eat ham. You just like to to like airpods
1:06:55 Speaker 0 and the audible ham. Airpods are listening ham. But you can trim it at the ham.
1:07:02 Speaker 1 I did, it was it was alright, but it was so It was a palm the
1:07:05 Speaker 2 ham you said you really liked. Palmer ham.
1:07:08 Speaker 1 Yeah, so how a slice of it on the phone.
1:07:15 Speaker 1 Shoehorn's incredible, like it works as a weapon as well. Dean has one. Ham was okay.
1:07:21 Speaker 0 Mixed bag on the hand.
1:07:22 Speaker 1 It was a palmer hand, but people have said to me afterwards, oh, you shouldn't have just eaten on its own, you have to like have it was
1:07:26 Speaker 0 like a baguette or something. Yeah, it's like someone buying you like a rotisserie chicken and you just eating it cold out of the packet. I
1:07:32 Speaker 1 see, and it was just like, oh right, but
1:07:35 Speaker 2 we were late to go to Coop because we had to go back to Amy's house. You could put the palm ham in the fridge.
1:07:42 Speaker 1 Yeah. And
1:07:42 Speaker 2 this time I think you're gonna have to go back to charge the airpods.
1:07:46 Speaker 0 External charger. Fine. Um before we go, what have we got coming up? What episodes are we gonna do coming up? So we're gonna do oh, this may come out after life hacks 107. So either in the past or the future of podcasts we may have done or will be doing, yes. Life hacks 107, yeah. Um what it's really like running a business. Yeah, how to survive after university, after we had that one requested. The trouble with that is
1:08:10 Speaker 2 we've got to go up to death, haven't we? And we're gonna
1:08:15 Speaker 1 run out of the way. How to
1:08:15 Speaker 0 survive it's everything after university, so bear attacks, nuclear holocaust, famine. It's the first thing I
1:08:23 Speaker 2 thought of. I mean, like the the trouble is you can't get
1:08:27 Speaker 1 attacked by a bear if you're at university, so it's all happened after. They're a bear freeze on because
1:08:33 Speaker 2 they open the gates and you see massive fields and it goes on for miles and there's bears and uh battles and
1:08:40 Speaker 0 asteroids. Have you not seen it? Like when you open the gates from university, it's just a bunch of like sullen bears, you know, kind of just kicking their heels on the floor. You're like, oh, smoke it, smoking, wearing leather jackets.
1:08:51 Speaker 1 With one foot against the wall, or leaning by
1:08:55 Speaker 2 I just can't believe how fast they run.
1:08:57 Speaker 1 Bears terrifying. They run fast.
1:09:00 Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.
1:09:01 Speaker 1 But like proper clumpy runs. Shit.
1:09:04 Speaker 2 Yeah. I think the trouble with seeing a bear or bit a bear that has decided I'm attacking him, is there's nothing you can do about it. So
1:09:12 Speaker 1 I've seen the survival guys where they say you need to like put your hands over your head and go. Make yourself as big and scary as
1:09:17 Speaker 0 possible.
1:09:18 Speaker 1 But like I I would still not back myself to try that and think like I really hope whoever wrote this isn't just having a laugh because otherwise, like you're dead as a
1:09:27 Speaker 2 fucking. No, so dead. Um hard. Especially a bear with a tap.
1:09:31 Speaker 1 Told
1:09:32 Speaker 2 you both on a bit of a buzz.
1:09:36 Speaker 0 Yeah, yeah. He's on a backy buzz wearing leather, wearing a sleeveless leather jacket.
1:09:41 Speaker 1 Like torn off. Yeah, yeah.
1:09:43 Speaker 0 Just say bear on each of them, piss and hate.
1:09:47 Speaker 1 That was one of the Woody Rothers, wasn't it? Like a bear with a a bear with an axe or a shark with a shotgun. It's
1:09:54 Speaker 0 like
1:09:55 Speaker 2 the trouble with a bear with an axe. So a bear doesn't have opposable thumbs and a shark doesn't have hands. And it's underwater. A shotgun probably like where's the shotgun? Is it just mounted? Here. Oh terrible. The shark has to go like harness. And then it shoots. Because a shark doesn't have a neck either. So it's just fake it. It just does that with its head. Well you could argue that in a shark is all necks.
1:10:18 Speaker 0 It's just a face attached to a neck. A shark.
1:10:21 Speaker 1 That's the
1:10:21 Speaker 2 most terrifying thing. I I honestly cannot think of anything worse than Big Python for
1:10:25 Speaker 1 me. Big squid for me. Really? Like the giant squid. The shark isn't a big
1:10:30 Speaker 2 tube of muscle. They swim 30 miles an hour, man. Ten foot long. Even if you could punch it as hard as you could, and it wouldn't be. You just have to bucking broncho, like grab it, hug it, and just hold on.
1:10:41 Speaker 0 I tell you what, uh, I'll tell you what, you should follow on Twitter, which is definitely worthwhile is extinct animals and rare animals. Right. If you search that, they're both quite big. Uh quite big Twitter accounts, and they just put up like all of this mad mega fauna shit from five million fifty million years ago. It's like here is a uh extinct giant chipmunk that grew to be eight feet high and had like Jesus. Like there's things that had six eyes, things that had like horns coming out of their heads to get shot.
1:11:13 Speaker 2 I'm not around now.
1:11:14 Speaker 0 Well, because there was a number of large extinctions and then mammals won. And we're part of that. I went to see Brian Cox. Shit spoken about that. I can't fucking believe that you went
1:11:24 Speaker 2 to go see it. Absolutely absolutely blow your dick off. Just space time. Just being having someone explaining using a graph and maths, space time. Anyway.
1:11:38 Speaker 0 He was saying on Joe Rogan that they've basically for this show, they're just filling the entire back of stadiums with LED screens. And they have I think it's like a hundred and something square meters of LED panelling. And then per show. They just fit it. So like Metro Radio Arena might be like 60, but then they're playing like Wembley and it's like 90, and then they're playing somewhere in America, and it's like, oh, we can only get 50. But they just go in and apparently the engineers are just like climbing.
1:12:10 Speaker 2 It's very cinematic. So as he's speaking, he's like, so they've got the um so interstellar, the way they create a black hole and interstellar is with an algorithm that morphs the backdrop. So they he they had a star backdrop, so black black sky stuff and stars, run this algorithm and it creates a black hole using what we understand of the science. So it's a it's a simulation, not a rendering. Yeah.
1:12:33 Speaker 0 Because then it's an actual simulation. So they plug in the the um universal constants to this. So it's it's it creates this
1:12:41 Speaker 1 so it is accurate what you see. It's exactly how it appears. Yeah. Goodness me. It's he
1:12:45 Speaker 2 just thinks everything's gonna be absorbed ultimately in black holes.
1:12:49 Speaker 1 I love how we sat down for this, being like, I don't know if we'll have enough to talk about for Yeah, we've still got shitloads to talk
1:12:55 Speaker 2 about it. Attack by a bear, Space Time, Fire Festival. Well the
1:12:59 Speaker 1 problem is you come to the end of this and you're like, how do you title it?
1:13:01 Speaker 2 Yeah,
1:13:01 Speaker 0 I don't know. If you've got any ideas what we should call this series, we're gonna call it catching up, or just like it's just buy a pair of fucking airpods. That's what it should be called.
1:13:12 Speaker 1 Or I'll get progressively bullied into if everyone sends us a quid, we'll
1:13:15 Speaker 2 buy you some airpods. Easily, easily.
1:13:18 Speaker 1 I'll have to but then that'll go as an admin hassle for me, because I'll have to go and find everyone who donated a quid, return it to them, and just sell the pair of
1:13:26 Speaker 2 AirPods and then So you're gonna you're gonna pay for the AirPods using one pound donations. Well, if that's if
1:13:33 Speaker 1 you're crowdsourcing it and then you get the airports, I have to then return the airports and find everyone's give it back to them.
1:13:38 Speaker 0 Anyway, um what else we got coming up? So we got the how it's five. Oh yeah. Uh I sent you that screenshot of that girl who is teaching your threes to do power poses. Um they call it the superhero pose. So we did an episode on confidence, it's when you were away, you were at wedding. Um I think I
1:13:56 Speaker 2 did the confidence
1:13:57 Speaker 0 one. You
1:13:57 Speaker 1 did confidence. We you didn't do well, maybe you
1:14:01 Speaker 0 did. I can't remember anyway. Yeah, um, it's how it gets lean. Um in that I cited uh erroneous study about power poses, and now it's been trickled down to some year threes.
1:14:17 Speaker 2 You're affecting kids' lives, Chris.
1:14:19 Speaker 0 Uh I genuinely am. I'm really sorry, but you apologising. There is a primary school teacher that's making kids do that, and they call it the superhero pose. Um and I said, that's really cool. Would you be able to send me a photo? She said, Yes, but now she's had to check with each of the parents individually. So
1:14:38 Speaker 1 you've caused her an admin. Fucking huge
1:14:40 Speaker 0 amount of downstream. I'm like, messaged her the other day, and I'm like, really, yeah, yeah, you don't need to do it, I don't really mind. No,
1:14:45 Speaker 2 no, no,
1:14:45 Speaker 0 no,
1:14:46 Speaker 2 no, no. To be honest, they'll probably get a placebo
1:14:48 Speaker 0 benefit from it.
1:14:51 Speaker 1 Yeah, they're
1:14:51 Speaker 0 like if they think it's doing something. It's the most it's the most reliable effect in all of pharmacology, isn't it? It's like when
1:14:56 Speaker 1 you ask your like
1:14:57 Speaker 0 your Pakistani grandma asks you like
1:15:00 Speaker 1 some food and you're like, oh no, it's already no, don't worry, I will uh
1:15:05 Speaker 0 fuck, she's gone, she's away. No
1:15:07 Speaker 1 no, don't worry about it, it's fine. I will make I wouldn't just like cooking up biryani and like a scaring the chicken, you're like, no no no, it's not like don't worry, no no you
1:15:19 Speaker 2 know how uh if you take a drug, there's a there's an effect of the drug, like an intended effect, and then usually a side effect that may we may either understand or not understand. Yeah, yeah. Is that the case with the placebo effect?
1:15:35 Speaker 1 Can you get side effects from placebo? Like
1:15:37 Speaker 2 is it if is placebo anything that can be measured? And if so, is there a side effect?
1:15:42 Speaker 1 Oh, I see. Yeah, so you you can influence neurotransmitters and um the it's the crazy thing about placebo is like you can actually produce almost any sign, like you can produce skin signs and um like if you give someone what they think is an allergen, they might start getting like a rash or so unbelievable, man. Yeah,
1:16:04 Speaker 2 so you and there would be no side effect of that because it's just your body reacting how I
1:16:08 Speaker 1 suppose you could get the side effects that someone expects to get. So the amazing thing is like the expectation and the power of the mind on all of the human systems is so weird because it annoyingly it's like you have so much control over your body, but you don't have that control, it's like something. It's just buy-in, isn't it? It's like the the which is why the
1:16:29 Speaker 0 preamble to so much of this stuff is so important. Like if you sell someone, and this again is obviously why
1:16:36 Speaker 1 even if you know so you if you write on a on a thing like memory pills and you know that it's sugar and you're taking it, even though you're the one that put the sugar pills in the thing, it still has an effect. So placebo doesn't get negated by knowing that it's placebo.
1:16:50 Speaker 0 So then it must get it must be down.
1:16:54 Speaker 2 If I so back when I was 17 and took tribulus, are you saying that because I thought this is working? This is gonna be the that there might have been some change, or is it not? Are we not talking hormone level? No, no, really. Well, like could do, yeah. So actually knowing that it doesn't work is the worst thing that can happen to you.
1:17:14 Speaker 1 Ignorance is bliss. I suppose also like taking a tribulus at 17, like you probably have all of the the signs of high testosterone anyway, so
1:17:23 Speaker 0 you did, didn't you? Jacked. I don't know what you mean. Just swallow. Jacked, 17. I mean I I I feel like I had quite a high testosterone when I was sent. Allergic to nuts and jacked. Yeah. So um another thing. Did you see that the how it survived university? I sent you this screenshot, got shed around a bunch of schools in Papua New Guinea. It's the internet
1:17:45 Speaker 2 man. So
1:17:46 Speaker 0 there was there was uh a guy that contacted me and said that I don't know whether it's expats with kids out there or whether it's um Papua New Guineans that are coming over to university in the UK, but basically said like we've got a lot of students that are 16, 17 are gonna go to university over the next year. I've made them all watch how it survive university. Wow, because I think it's it's all of the stuff that they need to know.
1:18:11 Speaker 2 Shit like that makes me think like, what did I say? What did it be?
1:18:16 Speaker 0 Well the the level of responsibility is so much higher when you realize that people actually listen.
1:18:20 Speaker 1 It's annoying when it's only post hoc and you're like, oh it was quite a good episode.
1:18:25 Speaker 2 We should just get like a big like big warning screen at the beginning. Like the following is just an opinion. Not medical advice,
1:18:31 Speaker 0 please heed like legal medical doctor. You are this but the following is not medical. So
1:18:37 Speaker 1 I'm gonna have to start um qualifying I am not your doctor. Because you can't say not a doctor because you are that's hilarious.
1:18:46 Speaker 0 What was that Tony Robbins? I am not your mentor or something. I'm not your doctor. Yeah.
1:18:52 Speaker 2 Let's get you on Netflix. I'd love to see you on that. Just a series. Oh, I'll tell
1:18:57 Speaker 0 you what, another awesome statistic for you that Daniel Sloth gave sloth. Daniel Sloss gave me and video guiding was that to record jigsaw and dark for Netflix, single show, hour and a half-ish or so of recording. 40 grand each.
1:19:15 Speaker 1 Per episode.
1:19:16 Speaker 0 40,000 pounds to record an hour, like 90 minutes. So that's
1:19:20 Speaker 2 nowhere near as much as I thought it would be. What to record 90 minutes of
1:19:24 Speaker 0 stuff, 40 grand?
1:19:25 Speaker 1 And to get it on
1:19:26 Speaker 2 Netflix.
1:19:27 Speaker 0 No, just to record it.
1:19:28 Speaker 1 Like the cost of the cameras, paying all the actors in the it must be like 30 people. It's
1:19:33 Speaker 0 a it's a comedy special stand-up show of him on his own.
1:19:36 Speaker 1 Oh, I thought you meant dark, the uh like the the German TV show.
1:19:40 Speaker 0 Oh no, so it's a Is that what you were thinking? No, no, so it's a comedy comedian stand up on stage, 90 minutes, just him. Um recorded to the spec that Netflix require it to be done at. And then he did it, and what he did was he'd funded it out of his own pocket. Did
1:19:56 Speaker 1 Netflix pay ahead of time?
1:19:58 Speaker 0 No. So he was doing this and it Hadn't even been picked up by Netflix. So but his agent was like, look, like fuck it, you're doing this tour, you're doing your routine, and he does a new routine every year. It's like, look, you need to
1:20:08 Speaker 1 what so you make it to the spec of Netflix just in case they put in a bid.
1:20:11 Speaker 0 In case they want it. And that's what he did. That's how, and he'd done both of these things, and apparently, like the last show of the tour, and it was the one that he'd recorded for Jigsaw, pretty much like that day or the next day, got off stage, called from Netflix, we want it. And the way that they did it, they will, once they accept that they want it, they'll front you the cash, because not everyone's got 80 grand lying around, and they said, got 120 grand for you here. He went, thank you very much. Cost me 80, pushed it back to them, like took the money, gave them the videos.
1:20:41 Speaker 1 Wow. So you so there were presumably people that are going broke by making a production that's running out of working capital
1:20:49 Speaker 0 essentially.
1:20:49 Speaker 2 There must
1:20:50 Speaker 1 be
1:20:50 Speaker 0 actually,
1:20:50 Speaker 2 yeah.
1:20:50 Speaker 1 So
1:20:51 Speaker 2 is there so he's profited in that instance? But is that is there no what he gave them the balance back? No, no, no. I think he's I think he took the what I think but is there any other gain from having a show on Netflix?
1:21:03 Speaker 0 What massive exposure, like he's always Conan O'Brien and so I don't know whether he actually gets paid for it. I'm gonna guess they must still have to buy it, they'll have to buy the thing.
1:21:13 Speaker 2 I've often wondered. So Darren Brown is a good example of this, had a bunch of channel four documentaries and has put them all on Netflix now. And then he's done his most recent one for Netflix. Yeah. So like how is that money? Maybe
1:21:24 Speaker 1 it's not Darren, maybe it's like it's the channel. Because they own the rights to distribution. It won't be Darren that owns it.
1:21:32 Speaker 2 Definitely won't. And then also Spotify. If you're a band on Spotify, do you get paid by listen minutes? Yeah, so
1:21:38 Speaker 0 you get paid per
1:21:38 Speaker 2 stream,
1:21:39 Speaker 0 but it's a uh it's pittons. It's tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny amount.
1:21:43 Speaker 2 Um it just all feels very much like the because if it's not in it for the content producers, the quality of content's just gonna plummet over time.
1:21:52 Speaker 1 Well, that's all all the but I suppose that it just becomes the buyer's market for content, like if Netflix have the monopoly on content or Spotify, yeah. You can sell your your stand-up show to Hulu stand up or whatever, no one's gonna care. And so then people start putting in bids and broking themselves potentially by because there must be shows that don't make Netflix, but they've recorded it to the specification. I don't think
1:22:15 Speaker 0 I think based on what Daniel was saying, the way that he did it is very alien. Like most people fronting it and having such a big dick that they think I haven't been asked to record this, but I'm so confident in my quality that I'm gonna do it. And he'd done it. So he
1:22:32 Speaker 1 had no hedge. That's
1:22:34 Speaker 0 he's doing it anyway, though, isn't he? Zero stocking the but not at the spec of Netflix. Right. So he's taking a small risk. He's taking a lot. Like I don't think he'd have like he wasn't, he was recording them and put them out on YouTube, but it wasn't. It would have been like five grand or something, probably to have got it done. Like it's
1:22:51 Speaker 1 who was really annoyed at Daniel Sloss for the the windy neck in comment on Twitter. Do you remember? Where he was like, it's so arrogant to assume that out of all the people in the world, there's only one of them that's good enough for you. Wind your neck in. Yeah,
1:23:07 Speaker 0 like so a lot of people got crossed. A lot of people, and we're uh the views are picking up there's this weird thing that YouTube does where it's like there's a little hump that you've got to get over. And we did it with Sargon and it's happened with Daniel as well now, and it's like it just sort of trickles along, trickles along, and then it just gets over this ridge and just fucking free wheels away. So we've done like more than 50% of the views over the last couple of days, even though it's been up for like nearly two weeks now. So it's
1:23:36 Speaker 2 it's whether because we have that with our videos, like the the videos that have a lot of views, keep getting views. Videos that have no views get no views. It's true. So it there must be uh this is one for maybe VideoMandine can do a cameo explained. But he just you can't hear him
1:23:49 Speaker 0 and you can't see him when he comes in front of the camera, nothing happens. Anyway, so to finish, could just be code, right? Yeah, it's lines of matrix code. What else have we got that's coming up? We're gonna do um So life
1:23:59 Speaker 1 hacks, maybe a relationships if we need keen on it. We need to do
1:24:02 Speaker 0 the Instagram funnel.
1:24:05 Speaker 1 Oh yeah. Uh like we I think we've got enough for a life fails as well. If you uh so I've
1:24:10 Speaker 0 got you've got enough of it. Oh, it's just podcast. Yeah. I've got Under Life Fails, so I had one, it came to me in the same way I've been keeping keeping a life hacks diary, been keeping a life fails diary. And a life fail came to me, noted it down, but I was in the gym, and I was like, brilliant, I've got one, because I didn't have any. Noted it down in the gym, went back to training. What
1:24:30 Speaker 1 did you note it down on? Did you have your iPad shuffle? Just on notes. Just the phone. Yeah. Okay. So you are you bringing your phone to the gym now?
1:24:38 Speaker 0 And need to for programming, which is slightly annoying. But it's I'm pretty good. I'm still quite like
1:24:42 Speaker 2 disciplined with it. I could have done. But even while you're in a hands on Tay Syri. See that? Double
1:24:50 Speaker 0 tap. I can't do single hands
1:24:51 Speaker 1 too. Um that's a selling point. You wouldn't even have to do that.
1:24:57 Speaker 0 And I've got life fails, and I've gone back and I've had a look. And I've just written the word anal. Oh
1:25:03 Speaker 2 god. And I'm like, but are you you're about to say forgotten?
1:25:06 Speaker 0 Yeah.
1:25:09 Speaker 1 I hate when that happens. Sometimes I'll I'll like I'll be like, oh I've got an appointment on a calendar. So I go to the date, and I just write 9am, 21st April. And then you get to the time and you're like, oh no.
1:25:19 Speaker 2 That's gonna be the best example of that is what you told me that you went to see Yusuf. And he was sat eating a bowl of spinach. And you're like, why are you using spinach? Well, I don't know it's in my calendar.
1:25:29 Speaker 1 Well, well, because I trust the research that past Yusuf has done. But
1:25:33 Speaker 2 surely it's so it's like when we go, it's like when we go to Coop and you order a whole chicken and we go, why doing that? And you say, Well, it's because I need to eat more. Because you can't just if you just have spinach the one time in a bowl. No, but if you just eat more when you're at Coop, that surely that means it should become a habit. Yeah, yeah.
1:25:48 Speaker 0 But I mean the So what would have been probably a little bit more accurate would have been had a reminder come up as I arrived at your house saying remember to eat, and you'd have been like what how much, why, when, like at least the anal thing would have been like it would have prompted me, at least I'd have been able to remember what I was talking about, but I have no idea what it is, so it may come back to me or it may not. Does
1:26:10 Speaker 2 anal
1:26:11 Speaker 0 not trigger anything? Because
1:26:12 Speaker 2 anal's not it can't relate to that many. I don't think it was
1:26:15 Speaker 0 about anal. I think it must have I must have written something, it's auto-corrected it to anal, and then I've so I don't know. Cole co
1:26:23 Speaker 1 no,
1:26:23 Speaker 0 that's that's
1:26:24 Speaker 1 T9, isn't it? Remember the old like number texting. Right. Cole, cock, and anal are all the same combination of knowledge of stuff like this. Jesus
1:26:32 Speaker 0 Christ. Uh right, uh thank you very much for watching. Please do not forget to press subscribe, share the episodes, propiumfitness.com will be linked in the show notes below. And make sure that you go and check out what should they go and check out? Go check out the episode with Rory Sutherland uh from a couple of weeks ago, it's absolutely like thank you. Bye. Bye bye.
1:26:54 Speaker 1 Yeah, oh yeah!
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