Jocko Willink, Matt McCusker & Jeff Dye - Mostly Wise #3

In the third episode of Mostly Wise, we explore: * If Matt and Jeff could survive Navy SEAL selection, training and hazing. * Whether the Navy actually has trained animals like killer assassin kamikaze dolphins. * How the guys deal with their own versions of sobriety. * Why Love on the Spectrum is potentially problematic. * What it was like for Jocko to be in the Military on 9/11. * The story of the gun no manufacturer dared to make after testing it. * And much more... Guests * Jocko Willink is a retired United States Navy officer in SEAL Team 3, an author and a podcaster. * Matt McCusker is a comedian, writer, author and podcaster. * Jeff Dye is a comedian, actor, television host and podcaster. - Get 35% off your first subscription on the best supplements from Momentous at https://livemomentous.com/modernwisdom Get up to $350 off the Eight Sleep Pod 5 at https://eightsleep.com/modernwisdom Get a free bottle of D3K2, an AG1 Welcome Kit, and more when you first subscribe at https://ag1.info/modernwisdom Get 160+ lab tests for just $365 and save an extra $25 at https://functionhealth.com/modernwisdom Get ChatGPT to explore ideas, solve problems, and learn faster at ⁠⁠https://chatgpt.com - 0:00 Can You Be Openly Gay in the Military? 2:26 Are Women’s Sports As Good As Men’s? 8:19 What It Really Takes to Become a Navy SEAL 20:17 The Most Uncontrollable Navy SEALs 24:35 Do Dolphins Work For the Navy SEALs? 37:08 Could You Run a Marathon in Wheelies? 38:34 Is Climbing Everest a Good Idea? 44:32 The Privacy Problem With High-Rise Living 51:14 How Embarrassment Pushed Jeff Into Sobriety 01:01:12 Why Men Can’t Win During Labour 01:05:32 Why Jocko Didn’t Have a Batchelor Party 01:07:39 Is Sober Dating Like Love On the Spectrum? 01:17:47 Do Single Guys Go Crazy After 7pm? 01:23:00 Why Social Dating is Too Complicated 01:30:27 Are Women Trying to Reset Their Body Count? 01:34:22 Why Weed Affects Everyone Differently 01:46:23 Why a 25mm Sniper Rifle Should Never Exist 01:52:46 The Best Perks of Being a Veteran 01:58:31 The Reality of Waking Up to the Iraq War 02:01:07 How 9/11 Changed the World Forever 02:10:00 Why War Never Goes to Plan 02:12:48 How the Russia/Ukraine Conflict Changed Modern Warfare 02:20:27 Is the Military Already Enhancing Soldiers? 02:27:40 Would Veterans Do One More Tour? 02:31:59 Where to Find the Guys - Get access to every episode 10 hours before YouTube by subscribing for free on Spotify - https://spotify.modernwisdom.com or Apple Podcasts - https://apple.modernwisdom.com Get my free Reading List of 100 life-changing books here - https://chriswillx.com/books/ Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic here - https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom - Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Chris Williamson?

  Did you guys ever consider a career in the military?

• 0:03Speaker 01

  I, I remember, I was in graduate school and I would get the reserve emails and I really thought, I was like, damn, 20 grand right now. I was like, hmm. I can't, I remember my wife's like, dude, anyone I talked to was like, you're gonna hate it. You can't just go away. I'm like, it's just the weekends. And they're like, yeah, every weekend for like, what, four years? And I was like on the brink and then they're like, dude, I was like, yeah, I'm not doing it.

• 0:24Speaker 02

  I've never considered it ever, ever, not even once.

• 0:28Chris Williamson?

  You could have done a career in comedy. I don't know. This could have been a, we could have found out that everyone's original life plans had crossed.

• 0:33Speaker 02

  I wish I would have done it. I could have used some structure, some discipline, some older male influence. I could have used some, everything that the military teaches, I think I needed and would have been great. But because nobody was giving me the discipline to go, hey, you should go do that. I didn't do it.

• 0:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:50Chris Williamson?

  You didn't even have the discipline to start becoming disciplined.

• 0:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. When you grow up like me, dude, on the mean streets, you know, it's either gang life or basketball. And I chose, no, that's not real.

• 1:01Speaker 01

  I, I remember, you know what it was? I remember they repealed, don't ask, don't tell. And I was like, all right, I can't, I can't.

• 1:07Chris Williamson?

  What's that?

• 1:08Speaker 01

  It was if you're gay, you're not supposed to ask someone if they're gay. Now I think you're like allowed to ask? I don't know. What even happened with that?

• 1:14Speaker 02

  I think you have to ask for their papers.

• 1:15Chris Williamson?

  This is your area of expertise, Chuck. What happened?

• 1:18Speaker 01

  There was a time where.

• 1:19Speaker 02

  Are you a gay citizen?

• 1:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, you could, you couldn't, if you were gay in the military, you couldn't say anything. So it was, they weren't allowed to ask you, but that, but you weren't allowed to tell.

• 1:28Speaker 02

  But could you fuck, Jocko? Who cares about telling people you're gay? I know that's all these college kids do.

• 1:34Speaker 01

  Pretty sure you could, yeah. Thousand guys on a boat.

• 1:36Speaker 03

  Confirm that myself firstly, so.

• 1:38Chris Williamson?

  Good night, confirm, not deny.

• 1:39Speaker 02

  You just put in your earplugs in the bunks, like, oh, these guys.

• 1:42Speaker 01

  Just statistically, if you have a thousand guys in one boat.

• 1:44Speaker 02

  That's gonna happen.

• 1:49Speaker 02

  You just gotta be first, you know, and if they're gonna get me.

• 1:51Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, it doesn't have to be like that, man.

• 1:53Speaker 02

  Oh, I didn't know.

• 1:54Speaker 01

  God damn.

• 1:55Speaker 02

  Man, I didn't know where we were headed. Is there a height limit in the SEALs?

• 1:58Chris Williamson?

  I have to, like, if someone's taller, right? Like, you know, what, six, four, yeah. Yeah. You get like six, six, six, seven, there's just more of you to hit.

• 2:05Speaker 01

  I don't think there's a height limit because there's a guy that I think is six, seven or six, eight, something like that.

• 2:11Speaker 02

  What's the shortest guy in the SEALs? I know no woman has ever cracked it.

• 2:15Speaker 01

  I want to say five, three.

• 2:16Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. That's a bad dude, though. Five, three and still did it. No women. Did you guys know that?

• 2:21Speaker 01

  In the SEALs?

• 2:22Speaker 02

  There's never been a woman.

• 2:23Speaker 01

  Not yet.

• 2:24Speaker 02

  That says you, dude.

• 2:26Chris Williamson?

  What is that French WNBA player?

• 2:29Speaker 02

  That she wouldn't make it.

• 2:30Chris Williamson?

  That's what the current trans, have you seen this guy, girl?

• 2:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, she's going viral all week. She's having a good week. She's probably real happy about all this WNBA kerfuffle.

• 2:39Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. Do you know the story? Can you explain?

• 2:41Speaker 02

  Every video has popped up. There's just a trans.

• 2:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:44Speaker 02

  It's a, it's a biological male that transitioned into a woman who's playing in a professional women's basketball league in France. And because the Sophie Cunningham and all the issues in the last few weeks with the XXXY kind of campaign, drumming up all this trans talk, they're like, well, let this lady play. Draft her over there and watch how inclusive they'll be. But everybody's just showing videos of this like muscular, I mean, she's jacked.

• 3:07Chris Williamson?

  Really?

• 3:08Speaker 02

  She's almost like a guy.

• 3:10Speaker 01

  I mean, I'm for it. I, I think it's time. The WNBA.

• 3:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:14Speaker 01

  WNBA is turning into, it's a drama now. It's like race, it's like racial kind of tension. Throw that on top.

• 3:20Chris Williamson?

  Sexual orientation. Apparently, all of the, the straight chicks get bullied and stuff in the locker room. Can you tell me this? Like, all of the, yeah, it's like inverse homophobia.

• 3:31Speaker 02

  Bro, how pissed are they gonna be when the first, when the first trans WNBA player is straight and white? They're gonna be pissed.

• 3:39Chris Williamson?

  And French.

• 3:40Speaker 02

  Do you know what I'm saying? Cause she's trans, but, and they're gonna go, look how inclusive we are, but she's still straight and white.

• 3:45Speaker 01

  I kind of want to turn the WNBA into like the XFL. I think we should just make it like even crazier.

• 3:50Chris Williamson?

  What's XFL?

• 3:51Speaker 01

  XFL was when Vince McMahon tried to like start his own football thing, but it was like, it was just chaos. It was like NFL Blitz. Like you could have a guy on the sideline who at any time could just run in and hit somebody.

• 4:00Speaker 02

  You know, fair catches? And then he was like, I was like, we're gonna put cameras in the women's locker room. And we're like, what women? That's football. Like, it was insane, dude.

• 4:09Speaker 01

  He was just thinking of a WWE internal memo.

• 4:12Speaker 02

  Okay, but literally, that was the thing.

• 4:14Chris Williamson?

  The guy that did WWE tried to make a football league and it went badly?

• 4:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:19Speaker 01

  One season, I remember the one, their jerseys, the names, one guy's was like, he hate me.

• 4:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, they got to wear nicknames on the jerseys, which was, I like that.

• 4:26Speaker 01

  That was cool. Yeah, it was like a spectacular failure. He tried to, I think for maybe one year and it just didn't, didn't work out.

• 4:32Speaker 02

  They brought it back. They brought it back like years later. It's, did also bad.

• 4:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:39Speaker 02

  Sorry.

• 4:40Speaker 01

  Bless you.

• 4:41Speaker 02

  I've done this a lot, guys. I'm very professional at this. Sneeze and interrupting, I'm sorry.

• 4:46Speaker 01

  What do you think about this stuff, Jocko?

• 4:47Speaker 03

  It's interesting to listen to.

• 4:51Speaker 02

  It's like a day Carrie stumbled upon.

• 4:52Speaker 01

  No, I'll be honest. At first I was, I was WNBA hater. Now it's like, it's exciting. I like, I love the drama. Now you're telling me that you're, you got some more, another dimension of the drama's coming in. It's like, yeah, this is.

• 5:03Speaker 02

  Well, if they do it, I'll watch it then. If they start putting in some, uh, some trans athletes, I'd watch that. I guess for a minute to see if it changes anything.

• 5:10Speaker 01

  I think it will.

• 5:11Speaker 02

  Like, there's a pro girls, a baseball league right now. It's like a softball thing. I've been watching that and it's been fantastic. But.

• 5:17Chris Williamson?

  Oh, that's not in the gym. That's not in Lifetime. Yeah, yeah, it's good.

• 5:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's been awesome.

• 5:20Speaker 01

  Softball pitches are.

• 5:21Speaker 02

  It's not about them being women. It's about if the product's good enough. So like, if the, if the women had eight foot rims and these chicks could dunk on each other and the court was a little smaller and the ball was a little smaller, I would probably give it a, a shot. But the problem is like, I watch whatever the best of the thing is. Like, like I've got NBA. I can watch that. They're better than these girls. And so I don't want to watch a worse product. I don't watch high school baseball and then be like, you're being mean to the high school boys. It's like, no, I watch pro baseball. They're better than the high school boys.

• 5:50Speaker 01

  What about college?

• 5:51Speaker 02

  I also don't have a wife that's gonna get mad at me for saying any of this shit.

• 5:54Speaker 01

  I don't think wives care. Wives, wives don't care at all about the WNBA.

• 5:58Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 5:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. No one has a wife who's like, you better.

• 6:00Chris Williamson?

  I'm from LA. I don't know.

• 6:02Speaker 02

  They all care.

• 6:03Chris Williamson?

  But the number one consumer of female sports is still men.

• 6:06Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 6:07Chris Williamson?

  Like, it's.

• 6:08Speaker 01

  Really?

• 6:08Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, the number one spectator, it's not women watching women's sports.

• 6:11Speaker 02

  I'll say a hundred percent of the people who watch the WNBA are, uh, they, they all like women. If you watch the WNBA, you go home to pussy. Like, that's a rule. Do you know what I'm saying? If it's a guy watching the WNBA, he likes chicks. And if it's a girl watching the WNBA, he likes chicks. That, or she likes chicks. That's how it works. Nobody's ever dunked the ball and then went home to wiener. That's not a, it's all.

• 6:36Speaker 01

  It's a fair point.

• 6:37Speaker 02

  It's all pussy.

• 6:39Speaker 01

  It's testosterone.

• 6:40Chris Williamson?

  But when you think about sports that don't have that skill gap, like BJJ, right? That is just as popular. A lot of the UFC, female UFC fighters, Ron DeRosi, who's like one of the biggest stars in the world. So maybe it is, what's the level of skill? If it's comparable.

• 6:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:56Chris Williamson?

  Male league to female league.

• 6:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:59Chris Williamson?

  People will turn up and watch.

• 7:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And you could not, it'd be really bad to watch, uh, females fighting males. It would not be fair.

• 7:08Chris Williamson?

  Right. We've tried that a couple of times. It doesn't go well.

• 7:10Speaker 01

  Think the girls would beat them up too bad?

• 7:12Speaker 02

  That's it, yeah.

• 7:12Speaker 01

  I, whenever someone, when enough.

• 7:14Speaker 02

  When it's on Pixar, they always win.

• 7:15Speaker 01

  Well, when enough people don't like a thing, I automatically like it. Like now I like the WNBA. Now everyone hates it. I'm like, it's actually awesome. It's good ball.

• 7:22Chris Williamson?

  There's a, a question that me and one of my housemates asked, which is like, uh, at what age do you think that you could beat the best in the world at a particular sport? So in like a 12 year old elite level soccer player, like are you as good at soccer as a 12 year old? Like the best 12 year old in the world?

• 7:41Speaker 02

  No.

• 7:41Chris Williamson?

  Like, could you submit, you know, like, it's different, I guess, in BJJ because of weight classes and stuff like that. Like the best 15 year old in the world.

• 7:49Speaker 02

  I wanted to do this on a show with fighting. I came up with this idea where like, I want to like, you know, you get a five year old in there. It's easy, pretty easy for me.

• 7:56Speaker 01

  You could take him.

• 7:57Speaker 02

  And then we go six year old, like, oh, yeah.

• 7:58Chris Williamson?

  This is what I mean.

• 7:59Speaker 02

  And we just keep ranking up until someone beats my ass. And it's probably gonna be, I don't know, an 11 year old that just annihilates me. And that'll be fun to watch, too.

• 8:07Speaker 01

  Do you train?

• 8:08Speaker 02

  Uh, no, that's another part of it. That it would be pretty quick, you know? You could find a 10 year old, break my ankle and knock me the hell out. Um, but yeah, for sports, that's interesting. I don't know, because I'm not very good at soccer and shit either.

• 8:19Chris Williamson?

  How do you guys reckon you get on a SEAL selection? Jocko got to kind of assess people for a good while. Like, if you haven't got a, a background, like.

• 8:28Speaker 01

  I mean, I just think, I've been swimming, so.

• 8:30Chris Williamson?

  You have been swimming.

• 8:31Speaker 01

  I'm good to go, yeah. Pretty much ready to go.

• 8:34Speaker 02

  How hard could it be, man?

• 8:36Speaker 01

  Ready to go, pretty much. Just let me know.

• 8:38Speaker 02

  I bought this watch at Panera. It's Navy SEALs, so I think I'm ready to rock, dude. How much is it?

• 8:43Speaker 01

  What's the physical requirement? Like, what would you actually?

• 8:46Speaker 03

  The physical requirements are pretty low, actually. They're not anything crazy. And if you were like a normal high school athlete, you have the physical capabilities of doing it.

• 8:55Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 8:55Speaker 03

  Yeah. But, once you get in there, it's definitely challenging from a physical perspective. Only in the sense that you get so physically beaten down and broken down that mentally you have to be able to hang on. So. It's, you know, everybody says it's more mental than physical. That's not really true either, because if you can't climb that damn rope, then you're not making it.

• 9:15Speaker 01

  How high is the rope again?

• 9:16Speaker 03

  There's 30 foot ropes, there's 10 foot ropes, there's a bunch of different ropes. That's just one example, obviously. But some guys, you know, it's all mental. No, you need to train physically because otherwise you won't be able to get through any of the basic physical competency tests that you're gonna get. But it is mental too, because you can have total studs going through there and they quit, just as much as a, a slacker.

• 9:36Speaker 01

  Now, is the rope like a, like a A, like a A frame wood thing that you climb up or you just have to climb?

• 9:41Speaker 02

  Lots of ropes, right?

• 9:42Speaker 03

  Yeah. There's an obstacle course where you gotta climb a bunch of different ropes. And then there's just straight up 30 foot rope. Like, there's 10 of them out on the beach and you just gotta climb these ropes.

• 9:51Speaker 01

  And back down.

• 9:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, you make, make you climb them until you can't climb them anymore.

• 9:54Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 9:55Chris Williamson?

  Can you tell me a story? I was asking about why there's an age limit? And I think, is it 30, 34, 35 or something? The selection tends to get.

• 10:03Speaker 03

  It's around 31, I think is the actual cutoff. And occasionally a guy will get through that's like 32 or 33, got a special permission or special waivers, they call it. And then maybe a 33 year old, but that's, that's. It's rare.

• 10:17Chris Williamson?

  And I was asking about the cargo net. There's these huge big cargo nets that you climb up. And I think you told me a story. There's some dude who's like super fatigued, got over the top. And essentially from the top of a thirty or fifty foot cargo net with all of his shit on, just like, just hit the sand, but he was twenty one. So he's made of rubber and magic. So he just bounced onto his feet and ran off.

• 10:35Speaker 03

  What?

• 10:36Chris Williamson?

  You know, like just somebody hit sand from like a high thing and then landed and was largely okay. And I think, okay, that guy plus fifteen years at like thirty eight, like you're dust.

• 10:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:48Chris Williamson?

  You've just evaporated.

• 10:49Speaker 03

  You'll be here for my eternity right away.

• 10:50Speaker 02

  I break my leg. They take my house away if I break my leg. You know, that's, that's a rap on me.

• 10:55Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. Yeah. Were you able to pick very well, do you think, before people came in?

• 10:59Speaker 03

  Matter of fact, I was just talking to somebody the other day that's a, that did a bunch of years as an instructor. And said, you know, well, could you eventually figure out who's gonna make it? He's like, nope. You can't, you can't look at a human being and figure out if they're gonna make it or not.

• 11:11Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 11:11Speaker 03

  Just, just can't tell whether they're five, three or six, nine. You know, you think that guy's too small or that guy's too big, doesn't matter.

• 11:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:17Speaker 03

  It's just, there's something, there's something in their head that makes them not gonna quit.

• 11:21Speaker 02

  I saw a thing on Netflix about the Navy SEALs that pissed me off. They used to do this thing, and I believe they still do it, but this was with Netflix, you know? They said that they, once you get through the thing, and that's very hard, right? And then you go to, now you're in the platoon. You've done enough time where they go, you're in now. You've, you've passed it, even after the buds, like you've, you're in the platoon. Cause sometimes you make it and then you, you can get kicked out because you're not, you're not made of whatever. But then they put this thing on you. They punch it in. All the guys go in. They punch this like, uh, this crest on, what's it called?

• 11:51Speaker 03

  It's called a trident. Yeah.

• 11:52Speaker 02

  Trident on you and they all, your stars and everybody, they get to go, give you, give you a nice punch, but you made it now. So you're happy. They're like, they stopped doing this in nineteen ninety four because of hazing or something like, I'm like, what? You don't have to like worry about the Navy SEALs. You know, it's not like he's gonna be like, after all of that, they, now I need to file a, a report against my, so like, what are we doing?

• 12:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:14Speaker 02

  They still do it, don't they?

• 12:15Speaker 03

  I would be confident that they likely still do that.

• 12:18Speaker 02

  Good.

• 12:18Speaker 03

  Unofficially, of course.

• 12:20Speaker 02

  It's ridiculous if they stop doing that. But that's what Netflix is in it.

• 12:23Chris Williamson?

  With the problem being that if you've been through eating sand for like a week with no sleep, some guy hitting you a little bit too hard on your new button.

• 12:30Speaker 02

  Right.

• 12:31Chris Williamson?

  Isn't the biggest crime.

• 12:33Speaker 03

  Now it just sounds kind of lame to do it at all.

• 12:35Speaker 02

  Well, no, it's not nothing. I mean, they're really putting it in your skin. So it's not nothing. But what I'm saying is that like, it's an honor. At that point, they're like, it's, I'm proud of this badge. Like this should mark me for life.

• 12:45Speaker 03

  I don't know. With Chris Al, punching a keychain is kind of like.

• 12:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, we're not made of what they're made of.

• 12:52Chris Williamson?

  Well, you do that with the black belts. Black belts as well, right? When someone graduates.

• 12:57Speaker 03

  Some people do. Yeah. They whip you. Yeah. You walk down like a gauntlet of guys on either side. And then as you get your belt, you get whipped. Not everyone does that.

• 13:05Chris Williamson?

  I thought that was.

• 13:06Speaker 03

  Some people do, some people don't.

• 13:07Chris Williamson?

  Okay.

• 13:07Speaker 03

  You know, just depends on the vibe of the school, what you're into. You gotta get that last little lick in on somebody, I guess.

• 13:14Chris Williamson?

  Before he's got the black belt and you need to respect him.

• 13:16Speaker 03

  Yeah. Whip it up like a dish town.

• 13:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:19Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, apparently they've said.

• 13:21Speaker 02

  Sometimes do that to strangers just to confuse them. What is that guy's deal in here?

• 13:24Speaker 03

  Fucking grab his ass.

• 13:25Speaker 02

  What's his problem?

• 13:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, they, uh, they said we're like, you know, it's, modern people are one of the first societies that don't have like a ruthless entry to like manhood. So like pretty much every other society beforehand, you had to do like really shitty fucked up stuff. Before you were, there was a guy, a, a thing that moved you from a boy to a man.

• 13:44Chris Williamson?

  Is that not the misogis? This, uh?

• 13:47Speaker 03

  It's something like that, isn't it?

• 13:48Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, the rite of passage type thing.

• 13:52Speaker 03

  Like the afternoons that jumped off the, the, the, the tower with like the vine around their legs. You ever seen that?

• 13:58Speaker 02

  No.

• 13:58Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Dudes at somewhere in Africa, they built like a tower out of whatever trees and bamboo and stuff. And then they tie a vine around their legs and it stops them just short of hitting the ground. But yeah, that's their manner test.

• 14:10Speaker 02

  Kind of knot I've been using for that?

• 14:11Speaker 03

  Good one, I guess.

• 14:12Chris Williamson?

  A vine?

• 14:15Chris Williamson?

  The most gnarly bunch of.

• 14:15Speaker 02

  Can I get a new vine?

• 14:17Speaker 03

  It's a box knot, bro.

• 14:18Speaker 02

  Jocko, man.

• 14:20Speaker 03

  No, they used to do, they used to do a thing called a sub incision where they would take a, a, a boy's penis and slit a cut up the front of it.

• 14:28Speaker 02

  Oh, I had this. Yeah.

• 14:30Speaker 03

  You had this? Wow. You're in like the tongue tribe in West.

• 14:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:36Speaker 03

  They would cut it open. So you would like, I don't know. It's supposed to like remind you about like girls or something.

• 14:40Speaker 02

  God.

• 14:41Speaker 03

  But they would slice your dick and then it would like heal.

• 14:43Chris Williamson?

  What kind of girls are you?

• 14:44Speaker 02

  It reminds them of girls.

• 14:46Speaker 03

  It was just kind of like, yes, this is what vaginas are like. And they would cut a giant hole in the penis and be like.

• 14:50Speaker 02

  That's good.

• 14:51Speaker 03

  It's called the sales. Then it would heal up and you would always, now you have like a man's.

• 14:54Speaker 02

  I have no trouble thinking about girls and I've never had this procedure at all.

• 14:58Chris Williamson?

  Well, imagine.

• 14:58Speaker 03

  How much more would I think of?

• 15:00Chris Williamson?

  That's it. Yeah. How much would you have unlocked if you'd done it?

• 15:02Speaker 02

  Holy crap, dude.

• 15:03Chris Williamson?

  Unbelievable.

• 15:04Speaker 02

  Girl crazy after that.

• 15:05Speaker 03

  Yeah. The, the things people used to do were crazy. They would do another one where they would just pick two villagers. And they would be like, you know, a boy and a girl, they'd make them have sex and they would just crush them with logs. And everyone would be like, all right, happy new year.

• 15:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:15Chris Williamson?

  What?

• 15:16Speaker 02

  That one was my kid though. What the hell?

• 15:18Chris Williamson?

  It was pretty brutal.

• 15:19Speaker 02

  Why'd we use my kid?

• 15:20Chris Williamson?

  You mean like Greeks throwing plates at a party or something?

• 15:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, this was like way, way back, like, you know, and like Papua New Guinea. You know, you're always gonna have people that are assholes. A lot of this is just people that are assholes because you know, you take anybody and they're like, and initiate people and you're fine. Initiate, you're like, hey, good job, you know, good job. And then, and then you're over here like with the, with the scalpel. Right? There's always people that.

• 15:41Speaker 02

  It's getting real weird to go next. He goes, it's the same.

• 15:44Speaker 03

  And that's why, you know, you talk about some of this in the Navy stuff. It's at a certain point of military indoctrination or military hazing rituals. There's always someone that's like, you know what? I got a better idea. And it's gonna be doing something really stupid. You used to have like a safety guy, you know, if you, if you have a, an hazing incident going down or a hazing ritual, you have to have a guy that's like, okay. Hey, bro, no, put the scalpel away or whatever the thing is.

• 16:06Chris Williamson?

  Get off your penis. Cause we're subtexting your penis.

• 16:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, we still do that. There's sadistic people. There's, there are sadistic people in wherever, in any organization. And by the way, when you get rid of like the actual soft people, so now you get, you get rid of the soft people and you just have military dudes. Yeah, there's, there's even more sadistic people in there. So you gotta have some kind of limits on what you're doing. Otherwise people are getting their scalpel on their dick.

• 16:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, like that, like that pirate was, there was some famous pirate and the only reason he climbed the ranks so much is because he was more psychopathic. He was like, I'll just, I'll get him to talk. You want me to cut his dick off? And they're like, what? And then he would like literally, and they're like, all right, that's the new guy. Like they, they would just out barbarian each other on the pirate ships for rank.

• 16:48Chris Williamson?

  That's one of the reasons that psychopaths are supposed to have existed. Like why, why would they prevail? Like why would, why, why would they have stayed in the evolutionary gene pool? It's like, well, if you've only got fifty of you, it's maybe not that useful. But if there's a little few more of you, maybe you need some Vikings to go and raid Lindisfarne and like pillage and come back and not have PTSD. And you go, oh, like you're actually kind of destructive in a small group, but pretty useful if you've got a couple of hundred of you. And there's, oh, there's, there's enough people that are going.

• 17:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, we used to have this like a, a little, a little drawing in the SEAL teams. And it was, it was a, a little frog man, like a little frog. And it's, and he was inside of a glass case and it said, in case a war break glass. And that's true. Like there are guys, even if you look back at the historical, you know, military heroes, a lot of those guys were totally out of control. As normal civilians. And then whatever a war broke out, they joined up and they're a hero. And they have something to do and something to focus their energy on and something to put their aggression, their testosterone to. That's the hundred percent the guy you want.

• 17:51Speaker 02

  That's the tool.

• 17:52Speaker 03

  So it's rough when you're in peacetime and you got these guys that are, are, you know, they're Vikings, right? They're, they're just born and bred to kill other people. And then you're like, hey, actually you gotta be in a uniform inspection tomorrow. The guys are like, what?

• 18:05Speaker 02

  Those guys are weapons.

• 18:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 18:07Speaker 02

  It's like, it's like stirring your coffee with your gun. And they're like, what are you doing? You're like, well, I'm using the wrong tool. That's all. These guys are tools, you know, they're like weapons. Yeah. They don't know what to do when people aren't using them as a weapon.

• 18:18Speaker 03

  What do you do with those guys? Just like a working dog, right? Like a working dog, you do, people say, oh, you got a German shepherd. Like, oh, is it, you know, German shepherd, like working dog? No, no, no. You don't want a working dog in your house. You don't want, the dogs that we had in the military, you do not want one of those things as your pet in your house. Cause it will bite some people. That's what they do. That's literally what they're bred for and what they're trained for. And so you can't just have that thing in your house and expect when the Amazon dude shows up, he's not getting a, a, a bite on his neck or his face. Like that's what's happening. So there's guys in the military that are a hundred percent like that, and they're barely hanging on. And when you're in a leadership position, you're like, you gotta, hey, you gotta check on those guys. You gotta make sure that you give them some outlet for the aggression that they've got.

• 19:02Chris Williamson?

  What sort of outlet do you give somebody that isn't just more war?

• 19:05Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, you, you luckily working out, doing jujitsu, boxing, fighting, wrestling. And, and again, that's, you're doing that to, to mitigate the amount of aggression that this.

• 19:17Chris Williamson?

  Pressure release.

• 19:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's just like pressure release. It's not saying that occasionally a dude just doesn't go out in town and beat up like four bouncers at a bar or whatever, you know? It's, yep, yep, you gotta deal with it. And it happens. And a lot of times those guys, you know, in the Navy. As your career goes on, you, on your uniform, you get stripes. I think it's one stripe on your sleeve for every year that you've been in. And if you've had good, good conduct the whole time, those stripes at a certain point, they all become gold. And if you don't have good conduct, then you have red stripes. So you see like in a SEAL team, a bunch of those guys, they've been in for twenty years. They got red stripes. Like they got in trouble here. They got in a bar fight there. They got in trouble. Yeah, that's, that's.

• 19:57Chris Williamson?

  It's like the rings of a tree and going like, oh, that year was a really rough one. That was the one when you got back on the booze.

• 20:03Speaker 02

  It reminds me of Red Dead Redemption when you're going through and you're like, it lets you know if you're a bad cowboy or a good cowboy as you're going. But since it's a video game, you just go fucking full bad cowboy.

• 20:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:12Speaker 02

  But that's the same thing. Like you can see your honor.

• 20:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:15Speaker 02

  Like it's, it's like an honor.

• 20:16Chris Williamson?

  It's been tracked. What are, without saying who it is or whatever, what are some of the like most extreme guys that you'd seen either in the SEALs or that you'd heard about? Like people who had a, you, you're talking about. Very, very extreme people in a group of very extreme people. Are there any examples that sort of come to mind where you think, fuck?

• 20:37Speaker 03

  Guys, there's guys that definitely would get kicked out of the military because they got in too many fights, got drunk too many times. And again, those guys, a lot of the times, those are guys that you would want in war, a hundred percent. So that, you know, what you're looking for optimally is a guy that can contain that enough that they can make it and, and still deploy.

• 20:58Chris Williamson?

  Just about hold on.

• 20:59Speaker 03

  Just about hold on. And of course, you know, you need like the real professional guys and that are, that are gonna keep control of those dudes. Because if you don't have that, then it's gonna get out of control real quick. And occasionally, like platoons would get, this is in the SEAL teams, a platoon would get disbanded. They would just take a whole platoon and just disband a platoon. And usually that was because the leadership didn't have control over the boys. And if the boys get out of control like that, eh, there's nothing to stop them. And eventually they're just gonna get in enough fights and break enough stuff and, you know, just do bad stuff.

• 21:32Speaker 02

  It's a great script.

• 21:33Chris Williamson?

  It's like the.

• 21:35Speaker 02

  Lord of the Flies with Navy SEALs.

• 21:36Chris Williamson?

  Guys at the back of the, kids at the back of the class that always sit in a row and they always disrupt everybody else. And you're like, hey, no, you, you, you gotta be over there. You're on a different.

• 21:43Speaker 03

  The concept of the movie, The Dirty Dozen, right? Is like, we got these guys, they're all in the brig, like they're criminals, but we've got this kind of mission that needs to get done. Cool. We'll put, tape them and put them over here. That's what we're gonna do. So there is an element of that, you know, you don't, you don't wake up like me, I'm a kid. What do you, you ask a kid, what do you want to do when you grow up? Oh, I wanna go carry a machine gun and kill people. That's not, that's not a normal thing, right? So you've got those people. That's what we wanna do. And so of course you're gonna end up with some people that are like, that can't really, can't contain that as well. And it's, you know, it's, it's a bummer, but it's also, again, go look at the history of American heroes. Not all of them. Some of them are Boy Scouts, right?

• 22:25Speaker 03

  Some of them are legit Boy Scouts and they were, they were just good people that joined the military for God and country. There's, that's absolutely an element of our American heritage. But there's another American heritage of Hells Angels, right? You're in the military, but you could have been in the Hells Angels because you wanna fight and you wanna carry a machine gun and kill people. That's, of course, you've got people like that and, you know, that's what, that's what the military is. It's made up of those and, and the military puts, like you were saying earlier, you, you needed discipline. You needed some direction and, and that's true for a lot of young men that wanna fight. They wanna carry a machine gun. They wanna go to war. If you don't join the military, what are you gonna do? You're gonna end up in some kind of a gang. You're gonna be a crime, criminal of some kind.

• 23:08Speaker 03

  So cool, join the military. We'll take that energy. We'll take that aggression. We'll take that testosterone and we'll do something totally productive with it. And, and, and most of the time, you know, most of the people in the military, they're able to contain it and they, they get through. Or they get through their career and then it's fine. Occasionally a guy like just this little off gas happens and boom, you get a little explosion and somebody gets stabbed, somebody gets, you know, whatever. Big fights happen and bad things go down and people get kicked out of the military. They get sent to the brig or whatever.

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• 24:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, I remember I was in a, I think I was in like Tucson and there was, uh, there was a bunch of Navy SEALs there. And they'd met me after a show and we're always like hanging out and I, I met them before in San Diego and they're, you know, just chilling. And they're pretty like, it's like plain clothes. It's just like pretty much flannels and shit. And, uh, these two girls were there talking to them by the time I got there. And then the girls were with these guys who kinda came later and started kinda like puffing their feathers up. And they had no idea these guys were like Navy SEALs and I was watching the whole time like, please fucking kick their ass. I wanna see it so bad. But they, they were, they were reserved. They had, one guy finally went up, it was, there was like eight of them. I'm like, dude, you guys are gonna die.

• 25:13Speaker 02

  Well, they kinda know that there's been light work, you know, this.

• 25:16Speaker 03

  Exactly. They were, they were kinda laughing, but at the same time, you could really see them kinda like. And then eventually one went up to him and was like, said something to him. They were like, okay, and he left.

• 25:25Speaker 02

  Where can I get one of those working dogs? I hate my Amazon till they're very good.

• 25:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:30Speaker 02

  I tell them, put the packages on the patio. Don't leave it at the door.

• 25:34Speaker 03

  The selection, the selection of working dogs is probably the most stringent, way more stringent than any military special operation selection process. The amount of dogs that enter the pipeline to become a working dog is probably like one out of every twenty or thirty that actually become a full-fledged working dog.

• 25:54Speaker 02

  Any girl dogs?

• 25:55Speaker 03

  I don't know. I, I think so.

• 25:57Chris Williamson?

  Why? Why is it, why, why?

• 25:59Speaker 03

  He hates girls.

• 26:00Speaker 02

  No, that's actually.

• 26:01Chris Williamson?

  So they can't join the WNBA, is that why?

• 26:04Speaker 02

  No, no, no. I was trying to say it would be, that women could start using that argument, like there's plenty of girl dogs in the Navy SEALs.

• 26:12Speaker 03

  They're probably, girl dogs are vicious, dude.

• 26:14Speaker 02

  That's what I'm saying. You probably want a girl dog.

• 26:17Chris Williamson?

  Jared, ChatGPT, are there female working dogs in the SEAL, part of the SEALs?

• 26:23Speaker 03

  Military.

• 26:23Chris Williamson?

  In the military? Yeah. What's the proportion?

• 26:25Speaker 02

  Now we're back.

• 26:25Chris Williamson?

  I wanna know what the proportion of.

• 26:26Speaker 02

  I wanna make up for my earlier sexist remark.

• 26:30Speaker 03

  You're looking for equal.

• 26:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'd like them to go. He said a sexist thing, but then he really won us over about the female dogs.

• 26:37Chris Williamson?

  Because the dogs can dunk, which is what's important.

• 26:40Speaker 02

  Right. I saw Air Bud, Air Bud was a girl dog, so she broke a lot of boundaries.

• 26:46Chris Williamson?

  Yes, they do. Uh, seventy-three percent male, twenty-six percent female.

• 26:52Speaker 03

  And also if you go up a little bit, go up because the, the patrol and apprehension, okay, they're in there for patrol. I didn't see a patrol and apprehension at first. What, what are they? Belgian Malwas for the most part? In, in the SEAL teams, it's Mouse. Yep. Check. Yeah, because they're smaller. Yeah. Smaller, easier to like jump with. Did you ever see how high they can jump? Belgian Malwa? Yeah, they're psycho. Dude, they can clear, they can like eight foot fast right over. It's, they're insane.

• 27:16Speaker 02

  That's why I need one, man. My Amazon guy.

• 27:19Speaker 03

  I wanna, I wanna get Malwa so bad. The first time I ever saw one work, it was this training, training event. And we're taking down this big building and they, they're like, hey, we gotta have this dog out here and he's gonna, you know, we'll show you how it works and everything. And I'm kinda like, whatever. How's this dog gonna, whatever. I just didn't really think much of it. And all, so they had a guy that was plenty in the dog suit that was gonna run away from the target building. And so I'm outside, I'm the, you know, ground force commander, I'm watching, they go, hey, you know, here, the guy's gonna run away. So I'm watching, I see the guy run away and I see the dog, you know, they're like, they say whatever German words to the dog and it thinks. And just locked in. I was like, oh. And then he says what, but gets, this dog wanted blood.

• 27:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:59Speaker 03

  And he lets, there's a quick release that they have, like a trigger on the, on the leash, pulls that thing. And this thing, bro, it took off going a thousand miles an hour, launched at this dude and just took him down like nothing. And just started mangling this dog suit. And I was like, we want these things.

• 28:20Speaker 02

  That's what we want. Yeah, yeah.

• 28:21Chris Williamson?

  That's so fucking hard.

• 28:22Speaker 03

  They put the metal implants on the canine.

• 28:24Speaker 02

  It's like those predator dogs from that movie. I'm telling you.

• 28:26Chris Williamson?

  Meanwhile, yours is in, yours is in the fucking sidecar of your motorcycle with goggles on.

• 28:31Speaker 02

  Hey, tell me where to get one of these.

• 28:32Speaker 03

  I kinda want a dog that will bite a stranger.

• 28:33Speaker 02

  These fuckers at the coffee shop are always giving me a hard time, you know? I want a little respect around them.

• 28:38Chris Williamson?

  Going with a Malinois and a trigger.

• 28:40Speaker 02

  It's on the sidecar. God, you don't want me to release this? Jocko told me it's gonna fucking be bad news. It's gonna lock in. I don't know German, but.

• 28:49Speaker 03

  There, there's a guy, I don't, I don't know if he has, like, he's only made a couple of videos, but he, he owns a convenience store. So he just, he has some sort of trained dog that he like unleashes on people loitering outside of the store.

• 28:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's great.

• 28:59Speaker 03

  He only has two videos.

• 29:00Speaker 02

  Need more of that.

• 29:01Speaker 03

  He has to wait for his content.

• 29:02Speaker 02

  Two videos, he's in jail. That's what that means.

• 29:04Speaker 03

  He's just like, go. The dog, the dogs don't bite. They come up. The guy's like, Jesus Christ. Yeah. People are scared of dogs.

• 29:09Chris Williamson?

  There's a big like canine unit thing inside of the military and then you guys have one for SEALs too?

• 29:15Speaker 03

  There's, yeah, there's, so there's just dog handlers, the mil, the whole military, all, almost all ground troops have some access to some kind of military dogs, military working dogs. Yeah.

• 29:25Speaker 02

  That's fucking cool. SEALs should get some water animals, dude. Figure that out.

• 29:28Speaker 03

  They have them.

• 29:28Speaker 02

  They do?

• 29:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:29Speaker 02

  How does that work?

• 29:30Speaker 03

  Top secret?

• 29:32Speaker 02

  And I want names this time. All right. That's how you get podcasting clicks. You can say names. First and last name.

• 29:38Speaker 03

  You exploit someone. I don't know the name of this particular dolphin, but yeah. They have, they have, yeah, they have, they have mammals that work.

• 29:45Speaker 02

  That's wild.

• 29:46Speaker 03

  Yep, they do. Yep.

• 29:48Chris Williamson?

  Do you remember?

• 29:49Speaker 03

  Like a dolphin. Yeah, like dolphins and others. Nobody, China doesn't stand a chance against us.

• 29:56Speaker 02

  I feel like we're really breaking new ground sharing this. You might get in trouble.

• 29:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, no.

• 30:00Speaker 02

  They got water animals in the Navy SEALs.

• 30:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:02Speaker 02

  That's sick.

• 30:03Speaker 03

  What do they do? You know, they, they perform various missions for. You're fucking with me, dude. No, I'm not. Absolutely, I'm not falling for it. Nope.

• 30:13Speaker 02

  I wanna believe so bad. Like a dolphin, like a little turret on its head.

• 30:18Speaker 03

  It's not a turret.

• 30:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a, what is it? Like a.

• 30:22Speaker 01

  I don't know how much this is available on the internet. You have to ask your people for the internet.

• 30:28Chris Williamson?

  Okay, can we see military dolphins?

• 30:30Speaker 01

  I'll feel so dumb if this is made up and I'd leave it.

• 30:32Speaker 02

  I wanna talk to the guy.

• 30:33Speaker 01

  No, I wanna see if it's true.

• 30:35Chris Williamson?

  Jocko's making sure that he's not gonna get popped by the DOD.

• 30:38Speaker 01

  True, true. Never mind, don't even try anything.

• 30:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, don't risk it.

• 30:41Chris Williamson?

  Do you remember we were at dinner with Palmer Lucky and somebody asked him a question. You know Palmer, he's the guy behind Anduril? He made the Oculus, which was that VR thing. Anduril's tagline, war technology company is fight unfair. That's the tagline. It's just so fucking hard. And he has an answer for everything. If you just wanna ask him some shit about like, hey, how would this have a military application? And we were at dinner. Do you remember someone asked him about, has anyone tried to make sharks be useful? And he's like, oh, absolutely. Because the immune system of a shark means that they can go forever. So what you do is you get a bag of glucose, stick it to the side of a shark, put a fucking hypodermic syringe in.

• 31:18Chris Williamson?

  It never needs to eat. You use it as like a tracking animal and this thing can go for a thousand miles without having to re-fuel.

• 31:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, but how optimistic. That's real optimistic, you know, cuz you go, alright, we got this shark, we put a thing with the glucose in the syringe. And so far, he's eating a thousand fish.

• 31:38Speaker 01

  They don't need to eat.

• 31:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, but my point is he's not gonna do what you want him to do.

• 31:43Chris Williamson?

  Dolphins are doing it.

• 31:44Speaker 02

  How do you program the shark to go get these Russians or something? Yeah, how do you?

• 31:48Chris Williamson?

  I wasn't in the technicalities. I'm the ideas guy.

• 31:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, cuz I just got the sharks. He's swimming around out there. We spent a hundred grand on this fucker and now he's just...

• 31:56Chris Williamson?

  All the glucose.

• 31:57Speaker 02

  Has anybody thought on how to give him the orders? He's supposed to be eating Koreans right now. And he's out there swimming around trying to bang another shark with a glucose syringe on it. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's not...

• 32:07Speaker 01

  I don't know. I believe the dolphins. Dolphins are smart as hell. Did you ever get into the John Lilly?

• 32:12Chris Williamson?

  Military dolphin program.

• 32:13Speaker 01

  Dude, I'm gonna smile thinking about this tonight.

• 32:17Speaker 01

  Seth.

• 32:18Chris Williamson?

  Just restart that from the very beginning. What does he say?

• 32:22Speaker 01

  I can't confirm or deny whether we have kamikaze dolphins.

• 32:25Speaker 04

  America's top military leaders were asked about killer dolphins.

• 32:29Speaker 05

  Can you kind of clarify these reports of kamikaze dolphins?

• 32:32Speaker 01

  The animation's so funny.

• 32:35Speaker 04

  The question sounds ridiculous, but the history behind it is real. Since the 1960s, the US Navy has trained dolphins in serious for military work. Not reportedly to blow things up, but to do things like find underwater mines, recover lost equipment, and help protect ships and harbors. The program is called the US Navy Marine Marine.

• 32:52Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 32:54Speaker 04

  And America was not the only country doing this. During the Cold War, the Soviet Navy built its own military dolphin program in the Black Sea. After the Soviet Union collapsed, the program got fixed on Ukraine. And in 2000, the BBC reported that Ukraine transferred part of its military dolphin project to Iran. That's why this is playing up now. The US and Iran are already locked in a fight.

• 33:14Speaker 01

  Holy fuck, dude. Is there a dolphin battle right now?

• 33:15Chris Williamson?

  Mustland dolphins.

• 33:17Speaker 04

  And now, even the weirdest pieces of military history are being pulled back into the conversation. So no, the Pentagon didn't confirm kamikaze dolphins, but it did confirm something else. The standoff with Iran has gotten strange enough that weaponized dolphins are now being discussed at a US military briefing.

• 33:33Speaker 02

  That's wild. Also, you just think it's not gonna go well, dude, cuz the dolphin's gonna swim up to some fishing boat, you know, it's gonna go, these guys got fishes up here. And then, you know, it's just not... You need control of these things.

• 33:45Speaker 01

  They're trainable. I petted one in Mexico.

• 33:48Speaker 02

  Unreliable.

• 33:49Speaker 01

  I petted a dolphin in Mexico. Friendly as hell.

• 33:51Speaker 02

  Yeah? That's my problem.

• 33:54Speaker 01

  They're actually scary.

• 33:54Speaker 02

  He's gonna come up to you and then you go, what do you got ticking on your back there, buddy?

• 33:58Speaker 01

  Dude, no, they're actually scary. I thought dolphins were like you play in the ocean. I would shit myself if one of these came up to me. They're huge dolphins. They're terrifying.

• 34:06Speaker 02

  They're big water dogs.

• 34:07Speaker 01

  I was in the thing in Mexico. You get in like a little, it's like a little dock, but under the waters you can stand. They swim up. And I was like, my kids were there and they were scared. I'm like, don't be scared, guys. We're alright.

• 34:16Speaker 02

  Really?

• 34:17Speaker 01

  No, dude, just touch it. I was like, oh my god.

• 34:19Speaker 02

  You go first, little buddy.

• 34:22Speaker 02

  Don't be afraid.

• 34:22Chris Williamson?

  That's bait.

• 34:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I think they're sweethearts. I rode them around in Mexico before I knew it was not appropriate. I posted all the photos and everyone was like, you monster. I was like, I'm just kidding. It was a fake.

• 34:33Speaker 01

  You petted a dolphin too? You petted a dolphin too?

• 34:36Speaker 02

  No, I rode it around and shit. Yeah, like it was like a tourist trip. Yeah, like you could grab on its...

• 34:41Speaker 01

  Grab its fin.

• 34:41Speaker 02

  My girlfriend at the time was small enough that she could, uh, not that, I just don't have a girlfriend anymore. It's not like, I have the same girlfriend and she's gotten bigger.

• 34:50Speaker 01

  You gotta do the sperm whale tour.

• 34:51Speaker 02

  My girlfriend, back when she was small enough. No, but she would actually stand on that shit and she was able to do it because she was, you know, little. But I had to like kind of lay down and like let him pull me.

• 35:03Chris Williamson?

  You were like boogie boarding?

• 35:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, I didn't know that they hate it there. Those dolphins, they're like, cuz they're meant, they're like, they use echos and they used to like miles of sea. So it don't matter what you put them in, they're gonna freak out and they're feeding them full of fish with little pills for ulcers and yeah, it's not good. But we didn't know any of that and then...

• 35:21Chris Williamson?

  We had a fun time.

• 35:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was a great day. It's like 200 bucks.

• 35:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, same way. I got there and I'm like, oh man, this is kinda sad. We're sitting in that little pond, but...

• 35:29Speaker 02

  They're looking at me like, help me.

• 35:30Speaker 01

  I was, I cheaped out.

• 35:32Speaker 02

  Give me a ride. You got yourself into this.

• 35:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, I cheaped out on the like, the Lord of the Sea thing where you kinda like hold both.

• 35:38Speaker 02

  It felt cool.

• 35:39Speaker 01

  It looked awesome.

• 35:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:40Chris Williamson?

  Was this when you were sober? Were you sober at this time or no?

• 35:42Speaker 02

  No, this was a long time ago. Like 2008 or 2009.

• 35:45Chris Williamson?

  Okay, yeah, drunken dolphin.

• 35:47Speaker 02

  We were drunk, for sure.

• 35:48Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, there's no way you're doing that sober.

• 35:50Speaker 02

  There's no like sober. Also, so many stories in my life are like, I went to a thing that was for kids.

• 35:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:58Speaker 02

  And I'm the guy there that's like, yeah, I'll do this. And then everyone's like, why is he out here? Well, like, wanna run the bases at the Cardinals game? And it's just me and like a bunch of little kids. And so there's so many of my stories of this drunk Jeff with a bunch of family things.

• 36:12Speaker 01

  Does sound bad when you say that. A bunch of stories with drunk Jeff and a bunch of little kids.

• 36:15Speaker 02

  Well, it's like, yeah, these families are going, why is this guy with all the kids? This guy sucks.

• 36:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, I went to a water park way too late. It was me and Shane went. Me and Shane went to a water park and it was like a small one too.

• 36:27Speaker 01

  Came down the water. We had like gym shorts too. We didn't have bathing suits. Come down, you calm down. So you're instantly like vacuum sealed. So just your fucking tiny flaccid penis sticking out. And there'd be a guy just waiting for his kid. There'd just be me like...

• 36:41Speaker 01

  My same age, just be like, what the fuck?

• 36:43Speaker 02

  Why are you doing this? Why should the kids have all the fun here?

• 36:48Speaker 02

  I can't tell you how many times I've been to like a shoe store and I see like one of those light up LA gear shoes. I'm like, you guys have this in a 12? And they're like, no.

• 36:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, wheelies.

• 36:55Speaker 02

  We have them in fours, size four.

• 36:58Speaker 01

  Wheelies would be so sick.

• 36:59Speaker 02

  I, yeah, I've never had them.

• 37:01Speaker 01

  Any special ops, any special ops applications with wheelies? That would be sick.

• 37:06Speaker 02

  I don't think so. Let's get on it, dude.

• 37:09Chris Williamson?

  A guy from the UK ran a marathon in wheelies.

• 37:11Speaker 02

  Really? That's cheating though.

• 37:13Speaker 01

  Isn't that cheating?

• 37:13Chris Williamson?

  It was way harder. It was infinitely harder. Like, cuz only, the only way that it's better is if it's mostly downhill, right? And he only wheelied for very small parts of it. And like, if you think about how you have to run, you have to run right on the forefoot or else you've just, it's basically an unstable fucking surface.

• 37:31Speaker 01

  Don't they retract? I thought they retracted somehow.

• 37:33Chris Williamson?

  You know the technology of the wheelie better.

• 37:36Speaker 01

  You can't even talk about it.

• 37:42Chris Williamson?

  That's classified.

• 37:43Speaker 02

  What is everyone doing though? Like, like...

• 37:45Speaker 01

  That's a cool thing.

• 37:46Speaker 02

  I just did a Navy SEALs podcast yesterday. Shawn Johnson, the security guy for Joe Rogan or whatever, and he's a great guy, good. And he was like, yeah, our guest before us ran 500 miles, or he ran five...

• 37:56Chris Williamson?

  On psilocybin or whatever.

• 37:57Speaker 02

  On psilocybin. I go, why didn't he? What are we doing? Now, now it's not a... You hear about David Goggins, he goes, the guy ran a fucking fuck ton. And he goes, yeah, but this guy run a fuck ton on drugs. And you go, oh, okay. And then, now this guy's running a fuck ton with wheelies? What's everyone up to?

• 38:10Chris Williamson?

  Uh, did you see?

• 38:12Speaker 01

  Pushing the envelope, man.

• 38:13Speaker 02

  What is going on here? Having sex. He goes, holy shit, bring him in.

• 38:17Speaker 01

  I mean, dude, imagine, cuz you know everyone's loved ones. You do a marathon, everyone's like family and friends are watching. Just, they're all usually pretty, yeah, you're just that one glide.

• 38:25Speaker 02

  It's cheating though.

• 38:26Speaker 01

  Just kill me then. Just let me go out.

• 38:29Speaker 02

  Suicide?

• 38:30Chris Williamson?

  Peak moment.

• 38:31Speaker 02

  It's like a suicide.

• 38:32Speaker 01

  Water, they're like, actually, yeah.

• 38:34Chris Williamson?

  Nims Perja passed away. You know that guy? He was the, the, uh, best death zone mountaineer on the planet. And he had the Netflix documentary, did my show, did Rogan's show, and he passed away just doing some mountaineering stuff. Like, he was a, uh, not Gurka, what's the?

• 38:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, he was Gurka. Well, he was, but then he eventually went into the...

• 38:59Chris Williamson?

  So he's like British Special Forces, SAS.

• 39:01Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 39:01Chris Williamson?

  Uh, and then, I mean, he did these ascents and descents without oxygen, like the most gnarly shit. Like, oh, we're at the top of Everest and some guy needs oxygen and we don't have any. I'll just give him mine and I'll just go down normally. And yeah, he, that was, he did it.

• 39:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, his whole party was knocked out. Ten guys.

• 39:21Speaker 02

  On psilocybin, you know?

• 39:22Chris Williamson?

  That might have actually been the thing that could have fixed it.

• 39:25Speaker 02

  Wait, maybe he could do that with wheelies. We could talk to him.

• 39:29Speaker 01

  Everest with wheelies is actually harder, like...

• 39:31Chris Williamson?

  The first guy to summit Everest without legs just happened.

• 39:34Speaker 02

  Oh, Jesus Christ. This is what I'm talking about.

• 39:36Chris Williamson?

  No.

• 39:37Speaker 01

  That's so impressive. What do you, he doesn't have legs?

• 39:39Chris Williamson?

  Get the video up.

• 39:39Speaker 02

  Just have a regular life.

• 39:41Chris Williamson?

  But he's trying to. He's got no legs.

• 39:43Speaker 02

  I know. They don't need to be up there.

• 39:46Speaker 01

  He needs to get up there. On Everest, apparently giant sheets of ice will just flip off and they could crush that whole base camp.

• 39:52Chris Williamson?

  If you and your partner sleep best at different temperatures, it is time that you join us in the modern world and get an eight sleep.

• 39:57Speaker 01

  I've always wanted to try eight sleep. Uh, which side of the bed do you prefer? I usually take left, but I am flexible.

• 40:03Chris Williamson?

  You're not sleeping in my bed, mate.

• 40:04Speaker 01

  Oh, when you said partner, I just assumed.

• 40:08Chris Williamson?

  I meant a romantic partner, you know?

• 40:10Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 40:12Chris Williamson?

  Eight Sleeps Pod 5 is a smart mattress cover that actively cools or heats each side of the bed by up to 20 degrees. So if you run hot and your partner runs cold, you're both happy.

• 40:20Speaker 01

  So hypothetically, if your bro was sleeping over, what side of the bed would you prefer?

• 40:24Chris Williamson?

  I'm not 12. There are no sleepovers, okay? Best of all, it's got upgraded sensors that run health checks while you're asleep, tracking things like abnormal heartbeats or sudden HRV changes.

• 40:35Speaker 01

  What if I just slept at the end of your bed like a dog?

• 40:38Chris Williamson?

  Did your wife kick you out again?

• 40:39Speaker 01

  She did.

• 40:41Chris Williamson?

  Fine. Okay.

• 40:42Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 40:44Chris Williamson?

  Pod 5, it cools, it heats, it elevates, and it's clinically proven to give you up to one hour more of quality sleep every night. And if you're still on the fence, they have a 30-day sleep trial, plus they ship internationally. Right now, you can get up to $350 off the Pod 5 by going to the link in the description below or heading to eightsleep.com/ModernWisdom and using the code MODERNWISDOM at checkout. That's E-I-G-H-T sleep.com/ModernWisdom. Modern Wisdom at checkout. There's a documentary about the Nepal earthquake that happened, and it was during Everest climbing season. And I think there's one, and then there's maybe an aftershock in another one. And it is fucking insane, because most of Everest is the kind of valley. It's not actually, it doesn't look that much like a mountain. It's just this sort of big valley thing in between a ton of other peaks.

• 41:29Chris Williamson?

  And you keep going up, and there's base camp 1, 2, 3, 4, and then there's this special pass that's like a big fuck-off ravine. And you realize, even from going up to coming back down, shit changes all the time. Glacier's moving. If you, like, fart too loud, shit moves up there, and a big earthquake that flattened half of Kathmandu, like, that goes. And there's videos of just the gnarliest fucking avalanche you've ever seen in your life.

• 41:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, God's just looking at us going, what are they doing?

• 41:57Chris Williamson?

  Stay down there. Get back in the water with the dolphins.

• 42:00Speaker 02

  I gave him no fucking legs.

• 42:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can't breathe up there.

• 42:02Speaker 02

  He's still climbing around up there, goddamn it. Like, what are we doing? There was a documentary on Netflix about-

• 42:07Chris Williamson?

  Look at this guy.

• 42:08Speaker 01

  Look at him.

• 42:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:09Chris Williamson?

  Man with no legs makes history by climbing Mount Everest using only his arms.

• 42:12Speaker 02

  Also, maybe play, maybe in the headline, put his name. Don't call him man without legs.

• 42:17Chris Williamson?

  Look at that. See, that's what, that's what you should be doing.

• 42:20Speaker 02

  Man with no-

• 42:21Speaker 01

  34th birthday.

• 42:24Speaker 02

  No store for cake.

• 42:25Chris Williamson?

  Former Russian paratrooper lost both of his legs in 2015 after military battle.

• 42:29Speaker 02

  They drowned that cake in?

• 42:30Speaker 01

  Cold zone.

• 42:32Chris Williamson?

  It is difficult.

• 42:33Speaker 02

  Is that AI cake? What's going on here?

• 42:34Speaker 01

  Dude, apparently so. That, that guy, John Krakauer, who had the whole innocent air thing? He wrote that book being like, nobody should do this. It's so dangerous. You can die. And he said, like, you know, years after it published, the, what do they get, the guides call it, what are those, he was called?

• 42:50Chris Williamson?

  Sherpas.

• 42:50Speaker 01

  Sherpas. Where like, dude, we can't thank you enough, man. Like, thousands more, thousands of people come.

• 42:55Chris Williamson?

  He made the industry.

• 42:56Speaker 01

  When he did it, he was maybe 450 people climbed Everest. Like, 10 years later, after the book, it was like 33,000 people. So everyone had started, they were like, if that guy could fucking do it, I can do it. That's, that's what he said. People will meet him, people will meet him and be like, you can fucking do it.

• 43:09Speaker 02

  Well, now all these guys with legs are gonna be like, yeah, this is easy. This piece of shit got two legs.

• 43:13Chris Williamson?

  Need to lose one leg, but two legs and one arm, and then I can do it and try and beat the record.

• 43:17Speaker 02

  I got two legs and no cake. I'm gonna be whipping up there.

• 43:24Speaker 02

  I don't know. Like, I watched a documentary on Netflix where they, they were talking about this terrible avalanche that, you know, crushed a lot of people. And it was a pretty heavy documentary, but they were talking about just working at the camp, setting up before the terrible thing happened in the story of, or in the documentary. And they were like, yeah, we'd, we'd have to wake up every morning to that time of season and go set off explosions. They would cause little avalanches just so that the people could be living there. And I'm like, why is?

• 43:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:51Speaker 02

  You're, you're already playing with fire. If you live in an environment where men and women have to wake up at 6:00 AM and go set off explosions, to do, like, you're already, you're already in the lion's den.

• 44:01Chris Williamson?

  You're on the edge a little.

• 44:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, what are we doing?

• 44:02Chris Williamson?

  Do you, is the, if you go to do shit in the snow, which military subdivision gets sent to go and do that?

• 44:10Speaker 02

  Snow.

• 44:10Speaker 01

  Everybody transports, the army and the Marine Corps and special operations, everyone trains to do snow, snow work.

• 44:15Chris Williamson?

  Right. And the same for desert and the same for-

• 44:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. And, and you know, there's some geographical kind of destinations that are a little bit more, more obvious for some units. You know, if you're deploying over to Europe, you're probably gonna do more snow work than if you're deploying to South America. You know, so you kind of figure that out that way.

• 44:32Chris Williamson?

  It's pretty fucking cool.

• 44:33Speaker 01

  What's your favorite element or least favorite element?

• 44:38Speaker 01

  Man, I like, kind of like them all. They're all, they're all a little bit different, you know? But growing, when I was growing up, you know, I was a kid in New England, and like, I thought I was gonna be fighting in, you know, the, I thought I was gonna be fighting in Vietnam, but I ended up fighting in the, in the desert and in the city environment. So I guess I'm kind of like-

• 44:56Chris Williamson?

  Cause you went from humid jungle to open urban sand.

• 45:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, or city, you know, the city environment. But they're all, they all have their own little unique challenges, and it's always interesting, and you gotta get good at each particular one. And I would, I always say I'd rather be cold than too, too cold or too hot, but-

• 45:16Speaker 02

  The woods. That's so main, right? The woods?

• 45:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 45:19Speaker 02

  Bigfoot, you might be the guy.

• 45:21Speaker 01

  Oh, yes, right. You're a Bigfoot guy, huh?

• 45:22Speaker 02

  Well, I'm just saying, let's get you, let's get you in the woods, back to where, you know, you know, you said you like all the area, and then let's get you to kill one of these fuckers. You're the guy.

• 45:31Speaker 01

  Could be, could be.

• 45:32Speaker 02

  Why not, man?

• 45:33Speaker 01

  I don't know. Did you ever research igloos? About like how much they, they apparently, they're like, they can take, snow can trap heat at like an unbelievable level.

• 45:43Speaker 02

  Really?

• 45:44Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, dude, like hundreds-

• 45:45Speaker 02

  I've never once looked up igloos in my life.

• 45:47Speaker 01

  You've never been to a children's museum?

• 45:48Speaker 02

  Well, like, I, when I was in kindergarten, it's like A, B, C, D, and then when it gets to I, there's a picture of a fucking igloo. That's all I know about it.

• 45:54Speaker 01

  Look into igloos. Make some, make that your next John F. Kennedy poster. Go to kids museum when you get drunk.

• 45:59Speaker 02

  I've really grown up a lot.

• 46:01Chris Williamson?

  That's the problem.

• 46:01Speaker 02

  It's just Bigfoot and cigars, man. I've grown up a lot.

• 46:05Chris Williamson?

  What can igloos do?

• 46:07Speaker 01

  They just trap like an unbelievable amount of heat, like way, it's way warmer.

• 46:10Chris Williamson?

  They're not made of ice? They're not made of snow, right?

• 46:12Speaker 01

  Now you're fucking me up. I, I mean-

• 46:14Chris Williamson?

  They're not blocks of ice?

• 46:15Speaker 01

  They're like blocks of snowish ice. Yeah. Snowball snow. What's that called? There's a snow that doesn't pack.

• 46:21Chris Williamson?

  It's like snowball snow.

• 46:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's compactable snow.

• 46:22Chris Williamson?

  All right, okay, cool.

• 46:23Speaker 01

  Snow ice hybrid.

• 46:24Chris Williamson?

  Good.

• 46:25Speaker 02

  In your defense, you said you never looked it up. He did.

• 46:27Chris Williamson?

  That's true. I'm not gonna fact check that.

• 46:30Speaker 01

  I just read a placard at one kids museum, and I was like, whoa, it was like 400, it's like 400% of heat or some, something surprising.

• 46:36Chris Williamson?

  Well, there's a, if you fall in water in like snowy environment, you're supposed to take all your clothes off and then roll in snow, right?

• 46:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, so you'll die quicker.

• 46:46Speaker 02

  They go, let's just fucking end this. Just roll around in the snow.

• 46:50Speaker 01

  Is that true?

• 46:50Chris Williamson?

  Get back in the water and drown yourself. You definitely have to take your clothes off. You definitely have to.

• 46:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, you don't want my clothes, yeah. If you're wet, yeah, you want to get dry.

• 46:56Chris Williamson?

  I'm pretty sure that the snow is like absorbent, because it's not, it'll help to get some of the water off you. Roll around in the snow.

• 47:03Speaker 01

  I'd also, I'd be a snow leopard in the winter. If I took all my clothes off, you would not be able to see me at all. I'd be completely camouflage.

• 47:10Speaker 02

  That's your secret, the secret thing, dude.

• 47:11Speaker 01

  You wouldn't see me at all. I'm for real, like, I, my wife laughs, because I actually did tan this summer, but I'll like, walk to the shower and it looks like I'm wearing shorts. My like, my ass is so white, it's crazy.

• 47:25Speaker 02

  It's pretty cool.

• 47:25Speaker 01

  It's pretty awesome, honestly. Now, I've never thought about how well I blend in to an Arctic environment.

• 47:30Speaker 02

  No clothes? I'm wearing clothes.

• 47:33Speaker 01

  It's cra, it's actually kind of, I mean, yeah, I would show you guys, but it'd be weird, but my ass is-

• 47:38Speaker 02

  I picture it. It's hilarious.

• 47:39Speaker 01

  I mean, dude, yeah, thank you.

• 47:41Speaker 02

  Cause I've been in the, I've been in the condo for the mothership, so like, I'm on the 20th floor, and it's just all windows. I don't wanna fuss with all the things, so I've just kind of been walking around, like, you know, just in the underway. If I'm going to the shower, I'm kind of like, eh, whatever. But for you, they would see it from a distance and go, he's wearing-

• 47:56Chris Williamson?

  Fucking holtiggeist?

• 47:58Speaker 01

  Also, if you're that high up, I, if you're like in, you know, especially if you're like a hotel in New York, if you're in a high window environment, a bunch of other windows, if someone sees you naked, that's kind of on them, really.

• 48:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's how I feel.

• 48:08Speaker 01

  If you're certain, if you're up high enough, it's like, I'm not one of them.

• 48:11Speaker 02

  When I also think about it, like, I don't think that that, I don't think it was gonna be that interested. I think they'd go, is that guy naked? And they go, eh, man.

• 48:17Speaker 01

  Ah, that's not true. Did you ever see a naked person through a window?

• 48:20Speaker 02

  Well, if they're having sex or doing something, then I would be excited. But just a guy in the kitchen eating a chewy granola bar, what, you know?

• 48:27Speaker 01

  I, I would, I'd, I would, no matter what, I would stare. I would stare for like 30 minutes. It's fucking naked guy. It's just crazy.

• 48:34Speaker 02

  We did just watch some old guy just watch TV, because we could see him. Like, I guess we're watching him watch it.

• 48:39Speaker 01

  It's an old naked man. I would, I would sit there, and he'd have to move. I wouldn't budge. I would just watch him.

• 48:44Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 48:45Speaker 01

  It's novel. You never see a naked, you don't, you'd get arrested for that, you know, right? No, not if we're both 20 feet up in the air.

• 48:50Chris Williamson?

  What's the floor?

• 48:51Speaker 02

  20 feet?

• 48:52Chris Williamson?

  What's the, what's the floor above which it's not weird? Cause it's, if it's ground floor, that's kind of weird.

• 48:57Speaker 01

  Ground floor is crazy.

• 48:58Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, but so first floor is probably also not great.

• 49:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I could only get to a window on the first floor, you know, like, do you know what I'm saying? I've never been higher.

• 49:10Speaker 02

  So how am I supposed to do this?

• 49:11Speaker 01

  Double digits. I would say double digits. Double did it, double digit floors is international.

• 49:15Chris Williamson?

  So if you got a Belgian Malinois, it might be able to jump high enough.

• 49:19Speaker 02

  He can watch whatever he wants, dude. No dog laws, that's true.

• 49:23Speaker 01

  Double di- I remember one time when I lived in Philadelphia, I could hear like my neighbors all the time. And I thought they were having sex. And I was like, oh my God, I can hear him through the wall. And I was all excited. I'm like getting all fucking hard, like this is awesome. And then I just realized they're like, I was like about to beat off. And then I, I felt the beat off. And then I realized they were just fighting and I was like, ah, well, fuck.

• 49:44Speaker 02

  It's also kinda hot.

• 49:45Speaker 01

  Now I feel like a creep.

• 49:48Speaker 02

  I could have mom and dad, reminds me of mom and dad.

• 49:52Speaker 01

  Surely.

• 49:52Speaker 02

  I'm arguing, you know?

• 49:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, they could have made up actually.

• 49:54Chris Williamson?

  That must happen all the time in New York. Cause you're just so fucking on top of each other, like at all times, everybody facing, windows facing each other.

• 50:02Speaker 01

  Living like.

• 50:02Chris Williamson?

  And no one's got special tinted windows, all these buildings were a hundred years old.

• 50:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:06Chris Williamson?

  It's gotta happen all the time.

• 50:07Speaker 01

  I would imagine, although I'm looking for it, I'm up there sometimes, no tell. I don't, I'm, I'm, I'm the only, just me.

• 50:12Speaker 02

  Well, that's what I'm saying. Sometimes the view of my room is just someone else's room, like.

• 50:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:17Speaker 02

  Fight, so that's, that's what I'm always thinking about, like in my house, I don't think about what I'm wearing, but I've thought about it all fucking week.

• 50:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:23Speaker 02

  Like, oh, people are looking in here.

• 50:25Chris Williamson?

  Does, is it Orlando Airport that's got that huge hotel? It's like right in the, I swear it's Orlando.

• 50:34Speaker 01

  Really?

• 50:34Chris Williamson?

  It's one, this Florida, Florida airport that's got it, the main TSA checkpoint is just floor to ceiling rooms. So it's like built, hotels built into the terminal, even hotel.

• 50:45Speaker 02

  New York has one of those.

• 50:46Chris Williamson?

  And I always think like these, they're just straight up windows overlooking TSA. So there is the potential for somebody who's like, while they're getting frisked down to just look up and you're just morning glory opening.

• 50:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's wild.

• 51:00Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, that's good.

• 51:01Speaker 01

  That's pretty awesome.

• 51:02Chris Williamson?

  So I want to spend my time.

• 51:03Speaker 01

  Just watching people get frisked all day.

• 51:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, if you're into it.

• 51:07Chris Williamson?

  It's a power move.

• 51:07Speaker 02

  I love security.

• 51:09Speaker 01

  I just have knives next to my penis, like you wish you could do this right now, can't you?

• 51:14Chris Williamson?

  Uh, how, how is sobriety going? I know that this has been.

• 51:16Speaker 02

  It's been great.

• 51:17Chris Williamson?

  Big pivot for you.

• 51:18Speaker 01

  How long has it been?

• 51:19Speaker 02

  Uh, two years and nine months.

• 51:20Speaker 01

  What, was there like a straw that broke the camel's back?

• 51:22Speaker 02

  Um.

• 51:23Speaker 01

  Like some children's event that you went to, you finally got kicked out of?

• 51:26Speaker 02

  Now stop saying children's.

• 51:30Speaker 02

  No, uh, nothing that stands out. I mean, getting arrested and crashing my car and fighting some cops, that, that part, it was that, yeah, it was a big traumatic thing. It was a huge, it was a huge embarrassment.

• 51:41Speaker 01

  How'd the fight go?

• 51:41Speaker 02

  Well, terrible for me.

• 51:42Speaker 01

  You don't trade either, do you?

• 51:43Speaker 02

  Those boys can fight.

• 51:47Speaker 02

  I was a little, you know, it was a little blurry for me, if I'm honest.

• 51:49Speaker 01

  So you're drunk, got in a fight and that was it for you, you said, no more?

• 51:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, cause I mean, like, also like I had been thinking, uh, I should be giving up the bottle for a long time. Like it's in your mind and you're going, uh, maybe, cause drinking is great and drinking is fun until it's, until you get sad or till you, you know, it's till something bad happens or till. So drinking has a lot of positive experiences, but it was, it was time to, time to wrap it up, but it's been great. And I, in my act, I always joke about all the negatives of sobriety, but the truth is like, it's fantastic and I'm very happy I did it.

• 52:19Chris Williamson?

  Unreal.

• 52:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:20Chris Williamson?

  Congrats, man.

• 52:20Speaker 02

  It's been great, thanks.

• 52:21Speaker 01

  And what took its place?

• 52:23Speaker 02

  Um, well, I do work out way more now, which is even if it's like a crappy workout, I'm just kinda proud of myself for going like, and then it, that gives me like a little rush of like, we did it today. We're in here, you know, we're, we're doing that. And then I do a, smoke a shit ton of cigars. And, um, yeah, that's, those are the main things.

• 52:41Speaker 01

  Well, did you do drugs there when you were drinking a lot?

• 52:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was doing a lot of pills with the drinking, you know, cause then I could stay awake. All my friends would do like, you know, cocaine or whatever. And then like, I would be passing out from the alcohol and is this funny?

• 52:56Speaker 01

  You're a comedian, bro.

• 52:57Speaker 02

  I don't know, I love it.

• 52:59Speaker 02

  The coolest guy I know is just laughing at like this bitch, dude, he couldn't even.

• 53:03Speaker 01

  It's a great follow up question too.

• 53:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:04Speaker 01

  So it was like Adderall and stuff?

• 53:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, because, um, I would like pass out from drinking and like at my house, cause I got a bunch of people over. But I would hear them having fun downstairs and I'm like, dude, I'm missing out on the party.

• 53:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:16Speaker 02

  So then, yeah, you just start popping pills and doing whatever to try to keep, uh, keep drinking.

• 53:20Chris Williamson?

  I've never done Adderall, what's it feel like?

• 53:22Speaker 02

  Well, like cocaine, it's the same shit.

• 53:24Chris Williamson?

  Right.

• 53:24Speaker 02

  It is.

• 53:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I can't have it.

• 53:26Speaker 02

  You act like it's not.

• 53:26Speaker 01

  I can't have it, I, I, it doesn't help me study. I tried it in college, I was in a library, I started just chatting with everybody. And then I, I took it, I took it while drinking, I got kicked out of a Beastie Boys concert. And then I snuck back, where did I go?

• 53:39Speaker 03

  What'd you do to get kicked out of a Beastie Boys concert?

• 53:41Speaker 01

  What?

• 53:41Speaker 03

  It's impressive.

• 53:42Speaker 01

  Uh, well, it was actually, so for some reason, whenever I take Adderall, and I've only ever taken a handful of times while drinking, I get it in my head that like, I have way more capabilities than I do. So I was sitting there and I'm like, I'm just like, I was on this, I remember my friends had ground floor tickets. I had tickets of like this, like, you know, not a balcony, but it was like, I was here and the floor was here. But it was like a eight footer, whatever, six or seven foot drop. And then I could climb back up and get on the floor. And I was like, if, if I look here, all the security guards, if I time it where all their backs are turned, jump and jump up, I'll disappear into the crowd. No problem, no problem.

• 54:16Speaker 02

  Limitless, dude.

• 54:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, literally, I jumped down finally and I went to jump into the crowd, hoping like to dissolve into this crowd. The crowd is completely parked around me. I get tackled by two security guards, they knocked one of my shoes off. So I'm walking out with one shoe. I go out and I'm like, man, fuck, this is bullshit. And I like just kicked my other shoe off and I saw like this, they, they had the chain link fence where people smoke. I just kinda found a gap in that, went in, went back in. And then I, they saw my friend who actually back in that he used to look like me. So they were, this is really shitty of me, but they were kicking him out, mistaken identity. That kindness was like, that sucks. I kept going to a guy goes, saw the fact that I had no shoes on and was like, it's actually him fucking. So then he goes back, I get kicked out again.

• 55:00Speaker 01

  And then they, they were doing an Aramark work, like a shift worker thing. So when the people were changing shifts for the Aramark employees, I got in line with the Aramark employees, again, still in my socks, walked in. And then I walked under the bleachers, I was near like dressing rooms and stuff, walked under the bleachers, crawled up and I found a gap between the bleachers. And there's just people like who had seats and my face just like came out of it. And I just watched the concert next to them and then I walked all the way back from South Philly to West Philly.

• 55:27Speaker 02

  So.

• 55:27Speaker 01

  Adderall. Adderall, yeah, not good for me, yeah, not a good, I can't do it.

• 55:31Chris Williamson?

  It's great.

• 55:32Speaker 01

  It was pretty awesome.

• 55:33Chris Williamson?

  I don't know why everyone isn't doing it.

• 55:34Speaker 02

  Adderall's great when you have OCD too, cause you just like organize a sock drawer, you never look down in your life.

• 55:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't, I, I give myself the worst missions possible and then I just, I do them though. I get them done, but they're not, they're not.

• 55:44Speaker 02

  Oh, really? Like a new hour of material in Adderall, it's all useless the next day. I'm like, none of this is funny.

• 55:50Chris Williamson?

  He was so enthusiastic about it while.

• 55:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was very organized, like that's gonna be good.

• 55:53Speaker 01

  I've heard Adderall is like anti comedy, like people who have like, I've done stand up on Adderall, it's just, apparently it's just a different wavelength that just doesn't translate.

• 56:02Chris Williamson?

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• 56:57Speaker 01

  Did you get through the, the full like alcohol withdrawals and everything?

• 57:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, actually it's kinda funny, I thought that I had COVID.

• 57:05Speaker 02

  I'm like, ah shit, just my luck, man, I get arrested and then I get out and now I got COVID. And then, and then, uh, my doctor, he's like, nah dude, you're, this is alcohol withdrawal. And I was like, oh shit, that's a real thing, huh? And he goes, yeah. And so, yeah, there was, uh, it was, it was a rough week, but.

• 57:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's like the one thing you can't quit cold turkey.

• 57:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. Or you can, but you, you, you can kill.

• 57:25Speaker 02

  You can die.

• 57:25Speaker 01

  Oh, really? Down the rabbit hole.

• 57:28Speaker 02

  That and Xanax.

• 57:29Speaker 01

  Really?

• 57:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, you can die from Xanax withdrawal too. Well, actually I will admit, I've never said this before, but so when I got out of jail, I did start drinking again. I was like having beers and making light of it. And then, or not making light of it, but not.

• 57:41Speaker 01

  How long were you in jail for?

• 57:42Speaker 02

  Uh, a couple of days, waiting for a judge basically. But the, um, when I got out, I was like, okay, no one found out, you know? Cause I thought to myself while I was in jail without my phone, like either everyone's talking about it or no one cares and no one knows. And, and they just think that I'm not answering my texts. So when I got out, I realized no one noticed. But then, uh, like, so then I started drinking again, I went back to my softball team, told some of my close friends about it. But then like, once it got public, like once everyone started dragging me on the internet and making fun of me, then I was like, all right, I guess I need to do some work, you know? Like I need to figure out if this is, so that the humiliation of everyone knowing about what happened is what made me take it serious.

• 58:21Speaker 01

  You know, I, I wrote a book called Extreme Ownership, which is about like taking ownership of what's going on. It seemed like another move could have just been like, own it. Like, hell yeah, dude, it was a good night.

• 58:31Speaker 01

  You're a comedian, right?

• 58:32Speaker 02

  Right.

• 58:32Speaker 01

  You should be like, hey, yeah, dude, yeah, I go hard.

• 58:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:35Speaker 01

  Who's with me, you know what I'm saying?

• 58:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, but also.

• 58:38Speaker 01

  Anybody drinking tonight?

• 58:39Speaker 02

  But the, my commitment to truth made me go, this is a problem.

• 58:42Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 58:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, cause normally I will just own, you know, any of my thoughts or opinions. I don't really care what people think about those kind of things, but I knew deep down, like this is a problem. You're using this as a fucking.

• 58:53Chris Williamson?

  The social pressure was the big kicker as well.

• 58:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:55Chris Williamson?

  Interesting.

• 58:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, humiliating.

• 58:57Chris Williamson?

  Came off a 50 cent per day moped in Bali 10 years ago and brakes go out from underneath me as I'm trying to avoid some truck. Land on the Balinese tarmac, all of this side of my arm is gone, all the outside of my foot is gone. Like just the left hand side of my body, I had no skin left on it, uh, but nothing broken. And my first sensation, I mean, the middle of the road, there's still Balinese people that fucking idiot tourist again, here we go, like classic stuff. My first sensation wasn't like fear for my life, am I okay, health concern? It was like, I look like such a prick. It was embarrassment. My main concern of mortal fear was embarrassment.

• 59:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:34Chris Williamson?

  That was it.

• 59:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:35Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 59:37Speaker 02

  That's why, like, that's true. Like, like, I always say, like, with things like that, you'll probably notice it the next day more, like, when you're thinking, and you go, ah, this kind of hurts, like, because in that moment, you're just going, ah, I gotta fucking figure this out. Adrenaline kicks in and you're embarrassed.

• 59:50Speaker 03

  Trying to walk cool. Trying to walk away from the scene cool.

• 59:53Chris Williamson?

  Went to a beach club, continued on to a beach club with these two Aussie guys that were traveling. So I don't want to look like I'm not too cool. One of them was like, I'm medical trained, I'm sure it will be fine. Go to a beach club, he's got like alcohol swabs doing that. Like, have you ever had alcohol, like a proper, open, like, good bit of room?

• 1:00:08Speaker 03

  It hurts so bad.

• 1:00:10Chris Williamson?

  I thought that I knew what the ceiling of, like, communication was that my nerves could, could give to me. And it just blew straight fucking through. I could hear it. I was like, I can hear the fuck. I started laughing. It was so painful. I was like, this is absurd. How fucking painful it is. But someone just tucked the dial and, like, cranked it up to a hundred.

• 1:00:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, I had a ear infection when I was younger and I remember, I feel like they used to dump, like, hydrogen peroxide.

• 1:00:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, they used to do that and it bubbles.

• 1:00:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, so I saw the bottle and rubbing alcohol was the same shaped bottle and I was like, I think this is the shit that my mom pours in my ear. And I dumped rubbing alcohol into an ear infection. I cried. It hurt so bad. It was, it probably to my knees. It hurt. I heard kidney stones are the worst, though. But kidney stones.

• 1:00:54Speaker 01

  I've seen guys go down.

• 1:00:55Speaker 03

  Pissed kidney stones.

• 1:00:56Chris Williamson?

  What are they?

• 1:00:57Speaker 01

  Like, you get some kind of buildup in your kidneys and it has to come out.

• 1:00:59Speaker 03

  It's like pissing a rock out.

• 1:01:01Speaker 01

  It's like a rock. Oh, it happens to a lot of people, too, by the way.

• 1:01:03Chris Williamson?

  It's like birthing a fucking little infection.

• 1:01:05Speaker 03

  It's worse than childbirth, trust me. No.

• 1:01:09Speaker 02

  Trust.

• 1:01:09Speaker 03

  But no, trust me, I know.

• 1:01:11Chris Williamson?

  Well, it's interesting you say that because we got, I didn't know whether or not I was gonna do this. We also have Hunter Biden on the podcast on Monday, which is gonna be fucking hilarious. So it's either today, we're gonna do it today, I'm gonna offer it to Hunter Biden. We have period cramp simulators here.

• 1:01:26Speaker 02

  This is some sort of feminist propaganda, isn't it?

• 1:01:29Chris Williamson?

  This is because of your WNBA thing. I know, it can stay, it can stay over.

• 1:01:32Speaker 02

  How would we even know?

• 1:01:33Chris Williamson?

  Hunter Biden. It's like some electronic thing, but we gave it to one of the, no, we gave it to one of the, I'm gonna have to do it before Monday if I'm gonna get Hunter Biden to do it.

• 1:01:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:43Chris Williamson?

  We gave it to one of the guys and he's like, I'm gonna test it on my arm. And he had, he had his wedding ring on, his wedding ring immediately started heating up. And he wasn't able to, like, close his hand for, like, a couple of hours. Like, Nick couldn't feel his fucking arm.

• 1:01:55Speaker 03

  Wait, you ingest it or do you inject it?

• 1:01:57Chris Williamson?

  It, no, it's like a, it's one of those, kind of like an ab machine type thing.

• 1:02:01Speaker 03

  Oh, got it, got it, got it.

• 1:02:02Chris Williamson?

  And it, and it's supposed to simulate.

• 1:02:04Speaker 02

  You immediately start once, watching Sex and the City.

• 1:02:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:09Speaker 02

  You immediately order stuff off of Amazon.

• 1:02:11Speaker 03

  My first kid, my wife was pregnant with my, with our first kid, and I went to the class where you're gonna go through, like, the birthing stuff and, and so I'm in there and, and you know, I'm, you know, being Mr. Supportive Dude, whatever. And, you know, the woman's teaching this breathing and stuff and telling me what to do and like, and she's like, you're gonna be in a lot of pain. And I, and I, I said, you know what, what's the pain from? And, you know, just kind of, you know, I'd gone through, like, combat trauma and all that kind of stuff. What's the pain from? And the woman's like, you'll never know. And I go, no, no, I'm not saying I'll, I'll know, but like, just what's causing the pain? She's like, you don't understand what it's like. I'm like, okay. It's okay, it's all good. I'll just sit here and be quiet. Yeah.

• 1:02:48Chris Williamson?

  That's you told.

• 1:02:49Speaker 02

  Also, I'd pay any money to see you in, like, one of those classes.

• 1:02:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, you.

• 1:02:53Speaker 02

  Just watching you try to be like.

• 1:02:55Speaker 03

  And I was like, hey, I'm not welcome there by that, by that woman.

• 1:02:58Speaker 02

  You're like, I have access to empathy. Can you please explain, scientist?

• 1:03:02Chris Williamson?

  What, briefly, there is a, there is a short window that this special operator is actually able to feel feelings. I'm desperately trying to understand what the love of my life's gonna go through. Oh, okay, I tried emotions once and it didn't go well. It was my birthing class.

• 1:03:15Speaker 03

  You got, you're on your own, woman.

• 1:03:16Speaker 01

  Dude, they're shitty. When you're like the guy in the hospital, they're like really shitty towards you. I remember we were like, I was with my wife and we had like hours and hours and hours. And I, I was like kind of point man. I would run home, do stuff for like the dogs, come back.

• 1:03:28Chris Williamson?

  During labor?

• 1:03:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, and we had like, we had plenty of time and I was like, and they were scheduling a C-section. I was like, all right, well, what time are you doing this? Because I have to let the dogs out. But I was just like, do I have hours or should I stay here? And they were like, what do you, literally, she goes, what do you have somewhere else to be? And I was like, is this gonna happen right away? Like, what's the move here? And then she was just a piece, I felt like a piece of shit for even asking, like, hey, just, I gotta do all this other shit, too, like, you know, it was my responsibility to still, we couldn't get someone to watch the dogs.

• 1:03:53Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:54Speaker 01

  So I was like, oh, fuck the dogs if we're doing it right now, but if we do have three or four hours, I can just.

• 1:03:58Chris Williamson?

  Let the dogs starve.

• 1:03:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, what the fuck? And the lady, you would have thought I, I'd been like, yeah, all right, well, hurry the fuck up. I was just like, just curious. I wasn't in a rush. I was like, trying to help. They, they're shitty towards you.

• 1:04:09Speaker 02

  That sucks.

• 1:04:10Chris Williamson?

  I, I think the reason for that is, it's obvious the price that chicks pay when they go through labor. And any guy that isn't, like, completely attuned to that just is seen as callous or flippant or not caring. Like, you know, you desperately trying to understand, hey, please, explain to me where this is coming from. Hey, we also have these fur babies at home and it would be really nice if we made sure that they didn't starve over the next day.

• 1:04:34Speaker 01

  We'd been there for a day and a half. So it wasn't like we had just gotten there. We'd been there, we, you know, we're doing all this stuff.

• 1:04:40Speaker 02

  She was guessing, I was like, yeah, lots of places. It's been a day and a half.

• 1:04:43Speaker 01

  I was like, I just wanna know. If I can, I can. I'm asking you. Completely, you would have thought it was insane. And the worst part, too, is like, for the C-section, like, they dress you in scrubs. So like, they, they like took her back.

• 1:04:56Speaker 02

  You work there?

• 1:04:57Speaker 01

  Well, they took her, they took her back and they're just like, here, put this shit on. And I'm like, fucking like, okay. I'm like crying. I'm like, I'm like trying to put my, then I'm just like in the hallway dressed up like a nurse, just like, where do I go? Get back there. I'm like, all right, fuck, sorry, guys.

• 1:05:12Speaker 01

  You never feel like more of a boob than when your wife, you know, has a kid. It's true, you're like, shit, they really, they, someone should do something about it. You gotta sleep on a shitty couch the whole time.

• 1:05:21Speaker 03

  And there's really not, you add nothing to the.

• 1:05:23Speaker 01

  You did literally nothing.

• 1:05:24Chris Williamson?

  Surplus requirements.

• 1:05:25Speaker 01

  Oh, god, you're.

• 1:05:26Speaker 03

  You're just nothing. Like, everything you say is wrong. It's just, it's just, just stand there, you know?

• 1:05:32Chris Williamson?

  I wanna know what your bachelor party looked like. What does Jocko's bachelor party look like?

• 1:05:38Speaker 03

  I don't think, I, I didn't even have one.

• 1:05:40Speaker 02

  No bachelor party?

• 1:05:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, my, my wife and I got married in the San Diego courthouse, you know, like, on a Thursday afternoon. I was wearing a T-shirt and a, and a pair of surf shorts and flip flops and went down, got married.

• 1:05:50Chris Williamson?

  Minimum viable wedding.

• 1:05:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who's your best man?

• 1:05:53Speaker 03

  Uh, I didn't have a best man there. Just like my platoon chief came down and was like, you have to bring a witness. So I was like, hey, chief. And he's like, yep. So we just went down there and got it done.

• 1:06:03Chris Williamson?

  Sorry, sorry, referring to your wedding, just went down there and got it done.

• 1:06:09Speaker 02

  In and out, wrecking time.

• 1:06:11Speaker 03

  Clear.

• 1:06:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was really crazy.

• 1:06:14Speaker 03

  We've been married for like, almost thirty years.

• 1:06:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:17Speaker 03

  You know, it's like.

• 1:06:18Chris Williamson?

  Unreal.

• 1:06:19Speaker 03

  We didn't do this big ceremony. She's a Brit, yeah.

• 1:06:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, who needs flowers?

• 1:06:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. Me and my wife actually did it during COVID, same thing. We got a packet of papers from City Hall. Pennsylvania is like a Quaker state, technically. So we did, it's called a Quaker ceremony where you just get the packets from the City Hall, bring it home, you sign it, and you have to give it like forty-eight hours. And then like your neighbor can come witness and sign and then you're good to go.

• 1:06:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:41Chris Williamson?

  What'd you give it forty-eight hours for? Like, to let it cool?

• 1:06:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, let it cool out. Yeah, it doesn't just, you know.

• 1:06:46Speaker 02

  Sober up.

• 1:06:46Speaker 01

  It's not Vegas, you know what I mean? You gotta.

• 1:06:48Speaker 03

  We did do, we went to England and did, we, I don't know, I don't know if this is an official thing, but they called it a blessing, where we did like a, a marriage thing in England, where we pretended like we were getting married even though we were already married.

• 1:06:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:00Speaker 03

  And everyone knew that we were.

• 1:07:00Chris Williamson?

  Dressed up and.

• 1:07:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, we dressed up and all that stuff.

• 1:07:02Chris Williamson?

  It's like the ceremonial way.

• 1:07:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, like a ceremonial way in, exactly. We did the ceremonial, even though my wife was pregnant at the time, you know?

• 1:07:09Speaker 01

  Dude, same thing. We did, we had a party afterwards and she was pregnant for it.

• 1:07:14Chris Williamson?

  Tier one. Ceremonial wedding. Yeah, you are tier one.

• 1:07:16Speaker 01

  We're both tier one. It's just how you do it. You go handle it. And then we did, we did the dog and pony show for the civilians.

• 1:07:23Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 1:07:24Speaker 01

  It was the same exact thing. She was, she was pretty pregnant for the wedding, yeah.

• 1:07:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, my wife was like kind of pregnant for the wedding. You could tell. I could tell. You could tell in the pictures. You're kind of like, oh. Good to go.

• 1:07:34Chris Williamson?

  Oh.

• 1:07:39Chris Williamson?

  Has dating changed since you've stopped drinking?

• 1:07:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, it sucks now.

• 1:07:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:42Chris Williamson?

  Why?

• 1:07:43Speaker 02

  Because drinking was a whole part of it.

• 1:07:45Speaker 03

  Is it the women got uglier for you?

• 1:07:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, who's this? What's her name? Uh, yeah, that is way harder. Because like drinking was, is the easiest thing. You wanna get drinks? Hey, you wanna go? Like, it's just the way, and now like.

• 1:07:58Speaker 03

  You don't go to a coffee shop and both get nervous in front of each other?

• 1:08:01Speaker 02

  Exactly. That's what it feels like. Like, I literally, I've been hanging out with this, this woman who I really like and she's like, I literally texted her because it was just not going well in the texts. You know, she's, she's a girl I know from comedy. And, and I was like, hey, I think you're really attractive and you're nice to me. Like, would you like to go out? Like, I just had to eventually, like, just be direct.

• 1:08:21Chris Williamson?

  Say the things.

• 1:08:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, because I couldn't just be like, we're getting drinks after comedy. And then we would have, like, flirted there. And then that would have went whatever way it would have went.

• 1:08:28Speaker 03

  It's like love on the spectrum right away. I'd like to see you.

• 1:08:30Speaker 02

  It feels exactly like that. Yeah. And then we watch anime and drink Mountain Dew for dinner.

• 1:08:35Chris Williamson?

  You're saying sober dating is like love on the spectrum?

• 1:08:37Speaker 02

  It is.

• 1:08:38Chris Williamson?

  Okay.

• 1:08:38Speaker 02

  Hard. Not going well.

• 1:08:40Chris Williamson?

  What do you think would happen if love on the spectrum was done with booze then? Would that just turn normal?

• 1:08:45Speaker 02

  What do you mean?

• 1:08:46Chris Williamson?

  Like if.

• 1:08:46Speaker 03

  You're saying you got them drunk?

• 1:08:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. I think they can drink, can't they?

• 1:08:50Speaker 03

  They can. They can. Oh, yeah.

• 1:08:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, they can order drinks.

• 1:08:54Speaker 03

  That would be, yeah, it's, you know.

• 1:08:57Chris Williamson?

  If it's not spicy enough already, we can just, like, throw a little bit of booze.

• 1:09:00Speaker 03

  Just turns into Love Island.

• 1:09:01Chris Williamson?

  Get his Adderall dealer through.

• 1:09:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Spiking the drinks. They go, we didn't even know.

• 1:09:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, it would devolve, I think.

• 1:09:07Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:08Speaker 03

  I think that's like, that's like a very heartwarming, pure show.

• 1:09:11Speaker 02

  I don't like it. I talk trash about it all the time.

• 1:09:12Chris Williamson?

  Why?

• 1:09:13Speaker 02

  Oh, multiple reasons, this, you know.

• 1:09:15Speaker 03

  What's the number one complaint?

• 1:09:16Speaker 02

  Well, they don't pay them, first of all. Two, everyone's watching it like we're watching children dating. They go, isn't it cute? It's very condescending to look at grownups and be like, oh, they're dating like we do. And like, I, I wish for the best. It's very, my, my biggest problem with it is it's called love on the spectrum, but they don't respect the spectrum. They'll pick some guy who's super high functioning and pair him with some girl who's super not high functioning and be like, maybe this is a match. And then they're on the date and he's like, I think you're great and I think you're wonderful and I think you're awesome and I think you're pretty. What about me? And then she's like, oh, handsome. You're like, that's not a match.

• 1:09:49Speaker 03

  That's perfect.

• 1:09:49Speaker 02

  No, it's not perfect.

• 1:09:52Speaker 02

  But my point is like, I don't like it. I think everything, everything they're doing is like too exploitive. I don't, I don't think it's good.

• 1:09:59Chris Williamson?

  I was so ready to push back. I thought it was gonna be a really judgmental take from you and it's like, it's really convincing.

• 1:10:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, and also.

• 1:10:04Chris Williamson?

  It's actually kinda convincing.

• 1:10:06Speaker 01

  It's so, here's the thing.

• 1:10:06Speaker 02

  We're seducing them with celebrity now. Now they like think they're famous. The one famous couple already broke up. She's on like everything now. It's just, it's too much.

• 1:10:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's fair. Although it's so sweet though, like you're seeing them, they're with their parents and like, they're like, this never would have happened. I don't know, I watch that.

• 1:10:22Speaker 03

  He's doing the exact same thing you just said.

• 1:10:23Speaker 02

  That's what I'm saying.

• 1:10:25Speaker 01

  But it's so nice.

• 1:10:25Speaker 02

  Look at them.

• 1:10:26Speaker 01

  Report, bro.

• 1:10:27Speaker 02

  Dude, they're living the dream, dude. They're already fine. Leave them alone. They don't need a wife and kids.

• 1:10:32Chris Williamson?

  They're frustrated, dude. They wanna have, they wanna date.

• 1:10:34Speaker 01

  They're so frustrated.

• 1:10:35Speaker 02

  What? Uh, here's another, a part of it that, that is, is like, they have a diagnosis, right? That, that they don't like bright lights and loud noises, that, that the high pressure situations make them buzz. And then we're like, how about, uh, how about we put them ten camera shoot on Netflix? How about we keep interrupting them every five minutes on a fucking first date? You're like, leave them alone. If you want them to date, that's fine. But maybe don't exploit them on a television show, you know?

• 1:11:00Speaker 01

  Not paying them is crazy. I don't know.

• 1:11:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, no money.

• 1:11:01Speaker 01

  James has that, James, you know James, right?

• 1:11:04Speaker 02

  Uh, which one is that?

• 1:11:04Speaker 01

  He was the guy who goes.

• 1:11:05Speaker 02

  Sword guy?

• 1:11:05Speaker 01

  Renaissance Fair, yeah.

• 1:11:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, I like that guy.

• 1:11:07Speaker 01

  He's got Liquid, he's got Liquid Death.

• 1:11:08Speaker 02

  I've seen every episode and I'm rooting for them as humans. I'm saying that when you watch the show, it feels a little icky, but what about?

• 1:11:13Speaker 01

  You gotta push past that. He's doing great. He's got, he's got, he's got Liquid Death sponsorship.

• 1:11:22Speaker 02

  That is the most human answer I've ever heard. What a great moment.

• 1:11:26Speaker 01

  He's got a Liquid Death sponsorship.

• 1:11:26Speaker 02

  You gotta push back past that. Listen, he's got swords.

• 1:11:30Chris Williamson?

  Liquid Death sponsorship.

• 1:11:31Speaker 01

  He's got a Liquid Death sponsorship.

• 1:11:32Speaker 03

  I, I tried, watched, tried, started watching an episode and I kinda, I didn't, you articulated what I kinda felt when I was watching. I was like, this is just, I didn't feel good about myself watching. I watched like five minutes. I'm like, okay, this is enough of this.

• 1:11:44Speaker 02

  If, yeah, if you've ever saw a forty year old dating another thirt, like forty five year old or whatever, and you go, isn't it cute? It's like, don't talk to them like that. They're not retarded. These are, these are, these are grownups with autism. Like, treat them like adults.

• 1:11:56Speaker 01

  I'll be honest.

• 1:11:56Speaker 02

  You would never go up to someone's table and go, oh, are you two having a good time? This is, I really support this. You're like, get the hell out of here. Like, it's, it's, it's mean. They're, they're adults. Treat them like adults.

• 1:12:06Speaker 01

  I watch it and I laugh the entire time.

• 1:12:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:09Speaker 01

  And then I cry. They, they get me every time.

• 1:12:11Speaker 02

  I like their directness, but that's just autism. That has nothing to do with dating.

• 1:12:14Speaker 01

  It's so funny.

• 1:12:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:15Speaker 01

  I also think that's what's going on inside of every single person dating. It just doesn't come out the same way.

• 1:12:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:21Speaker 01

  Same thing.

• 1:12:21Chris Williamson?

  The people in Love on the, on the Spectrum don't have the filter that everybody else puts up.

• 1:12:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I like that point, but I like that about autism. I don't need them to be on a dating show to appreciate that about.

• 1:12:31Chris Williamson?

  What would be great would be, uh, Love on the Spectrum, Love Island crossover episode.

• 1:12:35Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying.

• 1:12:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:37Chris Williamson?

  Like fifty fifty? To just like throw a couple of grenades in there.

• 1:12:41Speaker 01

  Would this be on Epstein's island or what? Dude, this sounds really creepy.

• 1:12:44Speaker 02

  He wants to watch it, try to figure it out, you know?

• 1:12:46Speaker 01

  This is very creepy.

• 1:12:47Chris Williamson?

  It's like Trader or whatever, and it's like trying to work out which, but you don't know who's got the diagnosis.

• 1:12:51Speaker 02

  Love on the Spectrum, yeah.

• 1:12:52Chris Williamson?

  Love Island on the Spectrum, and you're trying to work out which one has got which.

• 1:12:55Speaker 01

  To be fair. Once you got people who are that hot, you throw some autism in there. It's not, you know, mentally, you're in like thin, you're in thin air.

• 1:13:07Speaker 02

  I gotta push past it.

• 1:13:09Chris Williamson?

  The Liquid Death sponsorship's just waiting on the other side.

• 1:13:11Speaker 01

  Just hot chicks being like, you're like really funny.

• 1:13:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. You know a lot about weapons.

• 1:13:21Speaker 01

  Never knew that about medieval times.

• 1:13:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:25Speaker 02

  Well, I just think also, I mean, it's just, I think that we've got this idea of like rom-coms and then that's what a relationship is, which I don't believe in. And so like to push that on autistic people on the show, like, cause they're looking for some sort of like notebook like thing. I just, it just feels like very fraudulent.

• 1:13:42Chris Williamson?

  Hmm.

• 1:13:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

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• 1:14:27Chris Williamson?

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• 1:14:42Speaker 01

  How do you view relationships? You, you, are you no romance or like, how do you, how do you think about romanticism basically?

• 1:14:48Speaker 02

  Uh, I don't even know how to answer that. I don't know. Like everyone else. I'd like to find a partner. I think it's good. I think it's healthy. Yeah.

• 1:14:54Chris Williamson?

  But you're both married with kids. What advice have you got for Jeff on how to find a good woman?

• 1:14:59Speaker 01

  How old are you?

• 1:14:59Speaker 02

  Forty-three. Should've probably figured it out by now.

• 1:15:02Speaker 01

  Bruh. Well, behind the power curve, as they say.

• 1:15:05Speaker 02

  One of those late bloomers.

• 1:15:08Speaker 01

  Do, do you, uh, where do you find, you know, where are you dating? Where you, where you find your girls? I apparently found one from the comedy scene?

• 1:15:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, uh.

• 1:15:17Speaker 01

  And you sent her weird autistic messages already, you were saying?

• 1:15:22Speaker 02

  I like, I like the way he summarizes my life.

• 1:15:26Speaker 02

  Like where Jeff gets arrested for going to kids' things. It's just, it's so direct.

• 1:15:31Speaker 02

  There's no fat on it when he talks about my life.

• 1:15:35Speaker 02

  What, you met a girl in comedy? You sent her autistic text messages? Is that where you're getting them, Jeff?

• 1:15:40Chris Williamson?

  Military precision.

• 1:15:41Speaker 02

  You abuse your power in comedy? Exactly. Would you find some weak link that you could pick from the pack? Um, so, you know, I usually just meet women on Instagram from like after comedy shows and things.

• 1:15:55Speaker 01

  That is a thing apparently though.

• 1:15:57Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:15:57Speaker 01

  The girls after the shows.

• 1:15:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, or that you meet them at the like after, cause now you know that they're interested in you, cause they saw kinda what you're about up there. They listen to you talk for seventy minutes and they go, you know, they're interested. Um, and then you can kinda figure it out from there. Usually the comics go somewhere after the clubs and all that stuff. It's not a, I wouldn't recommend it. It hasn't worked out for me as far as anything. I've had some, some, I, I also think you don't get things you don't believe in. And I've been somewhat skeptical of relationships and romance in general, so, um, so maybe that's why.

• 1:16:26Chris Williamson?

  How does the skepticism of romance and relationships show up?

• 1:16:30Speaker 02

  Um, what do you mean?

• 1:16:32Chris Williamson?

  Like, I don't know what that means. Like, do you think that they're a psyop? Like that Jocko's not actually married or that Matt's like?

• 1:16:38Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no. I think it's fantastic. I think that if you, um, love someone enough, you gotta kinda like compromise a lot of stuff. That's what being a man is. You kinda compromise things. You say, hey, I can't go have fun and be drunk guy, and I can't be going doing this, and if I'm gonna be on the road, I need to kinda think about how long I'm gonna be on the road. Whereas I'm making all the decisions for my career so I can have more money and more friend time and things like that. I've made a lot of selfish decisions that wouldn't, it's like why I don't have a dog. I love dogs. I can't think of anything I like more. But if I was to have a dog right now, I'd be a very selfish dog owner, just letting him be at my house while I'm gone forever. And so the same thing is just kind of true with relationships. I would love to be with a, a partner who's awesome, who I love, and I really believe in it.

• 1:17:21Speaker 01

  You wanna create her.

• 1:17:22Speaker 02

  It's just that right now, well, it's just right now. It's like, I don't know how I'd be a good boyfriend. And I'll figure it out and I'll make sacrifices, but I haven't found anybody worth making that sacrifice for.

• 1:17:31Chris Williamson?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:17:32Speaker 02

  That's all.

• 1:17:32Chris Williamson?

  Hmm.

• 1:17:34Speaker 02

  I'm, I'm sure someone will come around and I'll be like, holy shit, and I'll, okay, I'll take this weekend off. Let's go to Mexico. I mean, I've done it before. You meet someone you like.

• 1:17:40Speaker 01

  Dolphin ride.

• 1:17:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. The chick that we rode dolphins and I got an ectopic pregnancy with.

• 1:17:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. Do you get lonely when you're sitting there?

• 1:17:49Speaker 02

  Yeah. We're all lonely. I'm super lonely. I don't think that has to do with single guy. I think we're all.

• 1:17:54Chris Williamson?

  I've got, I've got a theory that single guys after seven PM in the house go completely fucking insane.

• 1:18:00Chris Williamson?

  Absolutely.

• 1:18:01Speaker 02

  Well, you nailed it.

• 1:18:02Chris Williamson?

  There is nothing that single guys in the house can do between the hours of like seven PM and eleven PM that isn't fucking weird. But Joe, Joe Sanagato was telling me, one of his, one of his friends got out of a relationship and started sending him headstand videos.

• 1:18:17Chris Williamson?

  Is that you doing headstands?

• 1:18:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, I got into it. Saw it on YouTube.

• 1:18:21Chris Williamson?

  It's like, it's like needy time for bed. Like, what are you doing? Like, doing stuff?

• 1:18:24Speaker 01

  Why are you upside down?

• 1:18:25Speaker 02

  It's really funny.

• 1:18:26Chris Williamson?

  Guys after seven PM kind of go a bit insane.

• 1:18:28Speaker 02

  No, I think you're right. I think it's a hilarious sentence, but I think it might be something to it.

• 1:18:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:32Chris Williamson?

  If you're not working and you're not going out partying and doing stuff.

• 1:18:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:18:36Chris Williamson?

  Like, oh, well, am I gonna start doing like emails at this time?

• 1:18:40Speaker 01

  I, I sadly absolutely need a woman to structure my life. Otherwise, it's just, I'm toast. I can't do it.

• 1:18:45Chris Williamson?

  She got so angry at this. There was, we, I've talked about this on the show before, and women got really angry. I think what they, they thought it sounded like was, uh, guys are unable to have hobbies and like move themselves forward in life on an evening time if they don't have a woman with them. I think it's completely different to that. I think it's, we are domesticated and civilized by women, and if left to our own devices, do insane stuff.

• 1:19:08Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:19:08Chris Williamson?

  Like, that's not, like, this is how you get obsessed with like crypto or like Warhammer forty K and stuff in like ways where you.

• 1:19:16Speaker 02

  You start painting miniatures and collecting wrestling toys, you know?

• 1:19:19Chris Williamson?

  Which is cool when you have room for in your life, but it's not the sort of thing that you're supposed to do until two in the morning because it's like kind of taken over you.

• 1:19:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:26Chris Williamson?

  It's like you need a woman to go like, hey, hey, it's, it's bedtime.

• 1:19:30Speaker 01

  I'm, I still need to be put to, yeah. I need to be put to bed, seriously.

• 1:19:33Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 1:19:34Speaker 01

  I need someone to be like bedtime, and I'm like, fine.

• 1:19:36Chris Williamson?

  Thank God.

• 1:19:37Speaker 01

  I'll, I'll stay up, I'll stay up by myself.

• 1:19:39Speaker 02

  That's what I do every night. Last, I knew I had to be up for a car service at like six, or what, six LA time, eight o'clock here. And, uh, I just watched YouTube. I watched the first episode of Hard Knocks, and I was like, nah, fuck it, I'll just stay awake. I was like, it's kid mentality of like, we can stay up as late as we want.

• 1:19:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:55Chris Williamson?

  No one can tell me otherwise. It's like, I need someone to tell me otherwise.

• 1:19:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I don't, I'm fine. I feel good. I made my car service.

• 1:20:01Chris Williamson?

  As a man who's famously up at four thirty AM a lot, do you need someone to tell you to go to bed?

• 1:20:07Speaker 01

  No, I mean, I'm tired. At the end of the day, I go to bed.

• 1:20:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:20:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, not that big of a deal, I guess. Um, don't say fucking yeah, you don't go to bed early.

• 1:20:15Speaker 02

  Well, I'm saying I do what I want. He's saying he does, he does what he wants. If I want to go to sleep, I will go to sleep, and if I don't, I'll fucking stay up. That's why, I don't need a gal to go, hey, honey. No offense.

• 1:20:24Speaker 01

  I need that. No, I need that, man.

• 1:20:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I just, I just don't, uh, I, I would, you know.

• 1:20:29Chris Williamson?

  Civilizing force. Have you ever had any conflict with the British missus around the fucking?

• 1:20:36Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:20:37Chris Williamson?

  Because you're a large.

• 1:20:38Speaker 01

  It's London time, pretty much.

• 1:20:39Chris Williamson?

  You're a lot, you're a large man. I imagine that you rolling out of bed, whether.

• 1:20:43Speaker 01

  No, she, she's, she sleeps pretty heavily, you know? And so I just get up and. Go about my business.

• 1:20:51Chris Williamson?

  Could you imagine how much harder your marriage would have been with you up at four thirty AM every single day if your wife was a light sleeper?

• 1:20:57Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, that would, that would be a bummer, but you know.

• 1:20:59Speaker 02

  Wait, what? You're getting up earlier than here? I don't understand the question.

• 1:21:02Speaker 01

  Just getting up early while my wife is still sleeping. So.

• 1:21:05Chris Williamson?

  Jocko famously wakes up at, that, that watch has had to, oh, it's a new one.

• 1:21:09Speaker 01

  No, it's, well, it's the same model. I got about, they reproduced them now. So.

• 1:21:15Chris Williamson?

  Because of you?

• 1:21:16Speaker 01

  I don't know. Well, apparently.

• 1:21:18Chris Williamson?

  You must have, how many, how many photos of your watch do you think you posted? Thousands?

• 1:21:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, probably.

• 1:21:22Chris Williamson?

  Thousands of photos and it's always like four fifteen AM, four fucking twenty nine AM.

• 1:21:27Speaker 02

  I just picture his wife is as crazy as her, him, you know, she's.

• 1:21:30Chris Williamson?

  She's up beforehand.

• 1:21:31Speaker 01

  He's kind of a beast, to be honest with you, yeah. What I've noticed is you have to be up typically, if you're living with a woman, you should be up before her. Cause if they wake up, I've been in a situation where a girl has a job and I don't.

• 1:21:42Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:21:43Speaker 01

  When they wake up for work and you're in bed.

• 1:21:44Speaker 02

  Where's that you?

• 1:21:45Speaker 01

  Phew, the huffs and puffs.

• 1:21:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're, they're real loud slamming shit. There's vacuuming that needs to go. Oh, yeah. If you're asleep and they're awake.

• 1:21:55Chris Williamson?

  Is there something subliminal going on there?

• 1:21:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're like, what the fuck? Get up. Why am I up?

• 1:21:59Speaker 02

  This guy's protecting me and you're just like. Oh, this is the one I chose?

• 1:22:05Speaker 01

  You have a pillow between your knees.

• 1:22:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, I remember. I'm like fake sleeping. I'm awake, but I'm like, I'm not moving.

• 1:22:12Speaker 02

  The one I picked's wearing a Razor Ramone tank top.

• 1:22:18Speaker 01

  Not, they're not a fan. You gotta get up before them.

• 1:22:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're putting on like dress clothes and you're just like farting naked.

• 1:22:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Hair's crazy.

• 1:22:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, they are not, they are not fans of that.

• 1:22:30Speaker 02

  I think that's what it is about being single that I like is that it's like, you can do anything you want. And that's a very selfish thing to say that like, I can just fly to wherever I want or perform. I could say yes to any gig or thing like that. And I think that like a man with a partner doesn't do that. He goes, no, we got this. We need to plan ahead. If I'm gonna do a thing, I can't just leave my family for five weeks.

• 1:22:52Chris Williamson?

  Same thing with the dog, same thing.

• 1:22:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a little bit selfish, but it's, it's, it's a lot easier or not a lot easier, but it's a different type of good. The grass is greener.

• 1:23:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:01Chris Williamson?

  What's the weirdest date you've been on since you've been sober?

• 1:23:04Speaker 02

  Um, I haven't done any dates really. Yeah.

• 1:23:09Speaker 01

  Smashing grabs.

• 1:23:14Speaker 02

  His words not mine. I actually hope you have no female viewers.

• 1:23:18Chris Williamson?

  Not anymore.

• 1:23:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're gonna go, this guy sucks.

• 1:23:22Speaker 01

  No dates.

• 1:23:23Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess they are dates. They're just not very formal. It's not like we're going to like a thing.

• 1:23:28Speaker 01

  Just eating pussy or whatever?

• 1:23:29Speaker 02

  No, no, I mean, I guess, oh, I'll tell you one. Here's one. We went to a movie and dinner. That's a date, right?

• 1:23:35Speaker 01

  How was it?

• 1:23:36Speaker 02

  Uh, God, it was not good.

• 1:23:41Speaker 02

  You ever had a woman come out to, you know, you can't go, go back to your house and change. You know, you can't, like, she came out of her house and I go, Jesus, I'm gonna be walking around with this.

• 1:23:48Speaker 01

  What was the outfit?

• 1:23:49Speaker 02

  She, it was ridiculous. It was, it was, it was like, uh, we were going to a swingers party or something. I'm going, now I have to, cause I dressed pretty, you know, cowboy guy, you know, and I was going, oh.

• 1:23:58Speaker 01

  She was scantily clad, you're saying?

• 1:23:59Speaker 02

  Very, very revealing clothes, silky, like little, like one piece dress.

• 1:24:04Chris Williamson?

  This is a problem for you?

• 1:24:05Speaker 02

  No, it's not a problem necessarily. If I already loved her or something, but it's a first date. We're like, we're, we're judging each other, you know? It's kind of a first date. So I'm going, I don't need this, you know? But anyway, she gets in my truck and we go. And, um, the part that made me think of it is we were watching a movie called Back Rooms. Now, the, I won't spoil it for anybody that hasn't seen Back Rooms. It's still in theaters, whatever. But the idea is that like, you're trying to put together what's happening as the movie's going. So I'm in, I'm all in. I'm like, this movie rules. And she keeps talking. She's like, hey, this is, this guy is, I think he's in this other movie. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, he's in a lot of movies, you know? And she just keeps talking and I don't wanna talk during the movie. It's like I was with my niece or something. And I was just kinda like trying to give her the signals, you know, that I don't like it. After like an hour into the movie, I'm liking the movie, the movie rules. I'm excited. I'm trying to figure where it's going.

• 1:24:50Speaker 02

  Also, all my friends saw it like the night before, so I'm excited to be able to talk about the thing. And then she goes, this movie sucks. Let's leave. And I was like, god damn it. And so we left. Never got to see the other half of Back Rooms. And people are like, how was it? And I go, I don't know. I saw the beginning and I don't know. But I left because I'm a good guy.

• 1:25:08Chris Williamson?

  Did you pump?

• 1:25:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, we didn't.

• 1:25:10Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:25:10Speaker 02

  I dropped her off. I think it broke her mind. Cause women don't, aren't used to offering up themselves in, in a vulnerable sexual way with, they're not, they've never had rejection. Men are pretty good at it. We get rejected. We go, yeah, that's what it's like to be a guy.

• 1:25:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're right, actually.

• 1:25:24Speaker 02

  She's, nah, I don't think this, a very beautiful woman. I don't, she was like, what? Like, she goes, you don't wanna come in? I was like, no, thanks. It was nice. Tonight was great. And then she, I lied, tonight was great. And then she's like, well, I can come back to you. And I was like, nah, I gotta get up early, which is not true either.

• 1:25:37Speaker 01

  Better go watch the rest of this movie.

• 1:25:39Chris Williamson?

  Turning around and going back to Back Rooms, yeah.

• 1:25:41Speaker 02

  Well, I think it broke her brain. Like, what is, what do you mean? Like, it doesn't go well for even like, whatever the woman looks like, they're a hundred percent of the time when they offer up sex, like there's takers, you know?

• 1:25:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:52Speaker 02

  So, so that kinda rattled her, I think. But also, I was like, I'm not.

• 1:25:55Chris Williamson?

  We talked about this last time, like not being hot to trot. Like if you're not ready, if you get the big call.

• 1:26:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:00Chris Williamson?

  And you're not ready, whether it's committed relationship or not, it's like a, there's some fallout.

• 1:26:05Speaker 01

  What do you think she'd say if we heard her side of the story?

• 1:26:08Speaker 02

  Same thing. I think she said the same thing.

• 1:26:10Speaker 01

  Where she'd be like, yeah, so he comes out, gets out of the truck, like I'm dressed up nice and he comes up looking like a total.

• 1:26:15Speaker 02

  No, she was.

• 1:26:15Chris Williamson?

  He takes me to see this fucking stupid autistic movie.

• 1:26:19Speaker 01

  Like, he's like all into this lame movie.

• 1:26:21Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 1:26:22Speaker 01

  We get back, he thinks he's gonna get me and I'm just like, um, you can come in if you want. Please say no, please say no, please say no. Thank God, he said, you know?

• 1:26:30Speaker 02

  You wanna know what every girl has said about me this dating? Cause I don't think that girl would say that. This is what a hundred percent of every woman that's ever been around me says. That guy won't shut the fuck up. That's all it is. I'm like, my whole jabbering, yammering existence. I talk a lot. Like, I just, I, so if someone's with me for longer than a month, they're like, this guy needs to just talk.

• 1:26:51Chris Williamson?

  Back rooms on repeat to get into shut up.

• 1:26:53Speaker 02

  I can't be quiet. I'm a talker.

• 1:26:55Speaker 01

  Well, what, what's your plan with, is it just never gonna happen again? Cause you got the pussy, you got the pussy on ice right now.

• 1:27:00Speaker 02

  What does that mean?

• 1:27:01Speaker 01

  You put her on ice. That's what you, your move, what you did.

• 1:27:04Speaker 02

  I will never talk to that chick again. That's why I don't mind telling that story.

• 1:27:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm saying you got it.

• 1:27:08Speaker 02

  I'm not interested.

• 1:27:09Speaker 01

  You have it on ice right now.

• 1:27:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I could, I could tell after hour one, I was like, this is going nowhere. Well, that's why, why sleep?

• 1:27:14Speaker 01

  Good for you, especially if you're not drinking anymore. Cause otherwise it might be a little different.

• 1:27:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know. When I was drinking, like, there was a lot of casual sex. I don't do that now.

• 1:27:21Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 1:27:21Speaker 02

  I don't wanna do that.

• 1:27:22Speaker 01

  So you're just.

• 1:27:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:23Speaker 01

  That's nice.

• 1:27:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think it's better. It keeps me more level.

• 1:27:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:26Speaker 02

  You start hooking up and then that's like just inviting these like, um, kinda social entanglements into your life. Cause every, once you sleep with a girl, she's, she's like, oh, I know that guy. You know, like now they got, now they're telling stories.

• 1:27:37Speaker 01

  So now it's not casual, now it's not casual.

• 1:27:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't wanna do that.

• 1:27:39Speaker 01

  So how do you, what's your threshold for entering sexual?

• 1:27:43Speaker 02

  I think if I liked the chick, I would, then I would, yeah.

• 1:27:45Speaker 01

  It's casual.

• 1:27:47Speaker 02

  No, but I mean, if, I mean, if I'm like, I like her and I'm like, I think, I think I wanna date this chick.

• 1:27:52Speaker 01

  It's just not, you're not doing it for the sake of doing it.

• 1:27:54Speaker 02

  What's the threshold? If she's just into me.

• 1:27:56Chris Williamson?

  Upright?

• 1:27:57Speaker 01

  If I like.

• 1:27:57Speaker 02

  If she wants to.

• 1:27:59Chris Williamson?

  Is this particularly bad in LA? Like, I imagine seeing the, like, parties, people talking, gossipy.

• 1:28:07Speaker 02

  I think LA and New York are unique in the fashion that like, everyone is so single for so long. It's more socially acceptable to be single.

• 1:28:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:14Speaker 02

  And so then that creates all these extra problems. Also, dating is so complicated, already while it's ever changing.

• 1:28:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:21Speaker 02

  So now dating apps and social media and climbing and do you follow them or do they follow you back? And it's just become, it was already somewhat complex. And now you have like, we've normalized girls talking to a million guys at once and being like, well, I'm not sleeping with them. I'm just kidding. There's just too many things where it's ever changing that it's, it's, it's, uh, not fun. And so I think most guys, uh, I'll speak for the, my friends and I, I think they just feel like defeated. Like, or not even defeated, just like fatigued. Like, we don't wanna deal with this shit. So I just don't join in the Ranger Games. And then when a girl catches my eye that I'm interested in, then I will pursue her and I'll ask her out and I'll make those sacrifices, which I've done recently. There's a girl like, kinda like, so, it's been good.

• 1:29:01Chris Williamson?

  Unreal.

• 1:29:02Speaker 02

  I.

• 1:29:03Speaker 01

  Wait, are you married?

• 1:29:04Chris Williamson?

  No.

• 1:29:05Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:29:05Chris Williamson?

  No, we've talked about this before. The, uh, like last chopper out of Saigon, like at what point did it feel safe to do like dating? And then it doesn't, and you're just like, found the chick fucking thirty years ago, everything worked out great and I didn't need to ever think about it again. Must be so nice to have just like shelved that part. So now I get to focus on everything else, including building the family and having the dog and doing the business.

• 1:29:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, this is definitely making me feel like I made a good decision.

• 1:29:32Speaker 02

  No, you didn't. No, you know what's funny?

• 1:29:35Speaker 01

  This sounds like a horror show.

• 1:29:36Speaker 02

  Well, so sometimes like these guys will see me doing like fun things or like, I'll have like a wild night or something like that. Or at the golf tournament, they're like, you were with like a babe last night or whatever. And they're like, married guys. And I, and I think that in that moment, they're going, man, this seems pretty good. I go, yeah, last night, my life is way better than yours.

• 1:29:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:56Speaker 02

  So there's little moments where I do get to win and you guys have like this, whatever. But trust me, if you found someone you love, you're winning. That's, that's it. You, the grass is greener over there. I, I'm lonely on Christmases. I'm on airplanes alone. I'm on stage alone. My green rooms alone. I'm alone a lot. I live alone. I think that there's flashes of like, this is way more exciting. I'm on a jet ski. We look at her, blah, blah, blah. But I think that like, we're all trying to, we're all trying to find love, except these autistic kids.

• 1:30:24Chris Williamson?

  And you're doing headstands.

• 1:30:27Chris Williamson?

  Some people are reportedly spending up to thirteen thousand dollars in an effort to reset their body count to zero.

• 1:30:33Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:30:33Chris Williamson?

  A clinic in Brazil is offering hymen reconstruction surgery with reports claiming many of its patients are women over thirty who want a fresh start before entering a serious relationship or marriage. Jocko, you've got a very different kind of body count. Would you consider hymen surgery to reset yours?

• 1:30:51Speaker 01

  Well, I'm a man.

• 1:30:51Speaker 02

  He doesn't have a hymen.

• 1:30:54Speaker 01

  You have a guyman.

• 1:30:55Chris Williamson?

  But you do have a very different kind of body count to the ones that the girls are going to go and do, right?

• 1:30:58Speaker 02

  And neither one of them can reset it. There's nothing in the world that we can reset either of those.

• 1:31:03Chris Williamson?

  That's true. That's true. But that's, that's the thing. That's chicks going to Brazil.

• 1:31:07Speaker 02

  What a, what a, what a scam.

• 1:31:10Speaker 01

  Oh, that, look, we talk, that's, that's new chapter.

• 1:31:14Speaker 02

  That oughta delete Justin's contact card out of your phone.

• 1:31:19Chris Williamson?

  There you go. That's it.

• 1:31:20Speaker 01

  I mean, thirteen grand.

• 1:31:24Speaker 02

  Oh, look at that virgin.

• 1:31:28Speaker 02

  There she is. She got some flower water poured on her head. And now that means she didn't bang Ricky.

• 1:31:36Speaker 02

  Like, what a dumb thing. This is such a scam.

• 1:31:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's pretty tough. They're like, did you ever see the cacao ceremonies people do? They like drink hot chocolate and they're like, whoa, I'm tripping. There's a real thing. It's called cacao ceremony. They like drink a lot of hot chocolate and they're like, oh my god, my puny will glance opening up and they like.

• 1:31:53Speaker 02

  Well, here's what, how high is your body count that you're flying there?

• 1:31:58Speaker 03

  You eat enough cacao.

• 1:32:01Speaker 02

  Like, how many dudes did you bang that you needed to go to a ruba or whatever to get someone to pour water on your head? Like, it just kind of suggests that you're a whore, just doing this thing like, oh, sorry, I gotta do a trip. I'm gonna, you know, I gotta reset my body count. Like, that's crazy.

• 1:32:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:17Chris Williamson?

  You don't send the car to the mechanic. I'm going to Brazil to be exercised.

• 1:32:20Speaker 02

  It's insane to me.

• 1:32:22Chris Williamson?

  And I think into the little, but the cacao thing, the, I've seen them in like, uh, Cuya, that, that hot and cold place that's here. They do these cacao things. I, I do look at it and sometimes think that's just like a holic or like a Nesquik.

• 1:32:36Speaker 01

  Well, it's probably nice to drink hot chocolate. Yeah, it's nice. Drink and chat with your buddies.

• 1:32:41Chris Williamson?

  Cacao ceremony?

• 1:32:43Speaker 01

  It's just very funny.

• 1:32:46Chris Williamson?

  Does that not look nice?

• 1:32:48Speaker 01

  It's very nice.

• 1:32:49Speaker 02

  I want Jocko to just break in there and bite him in the face. Do you watch this and just go, what are we doing?

• 1:32:54Speaker 03

  I kind of like drink protein, chocolate protein all the time.

• 1:32:58Speaker 02

  I'm talking about the tents and the bras with the beads on their head. Does it look nice?

• 1:33:02Speaker 01

  It does look nice. I'll be honest, but.

• 1:33:04Speaker 02

  This looks dumb as hell.

• 1:33:05Speaker 01

  Here's, here's the problem. It's like, that'd be a tough combo the entire time.

• 1:33:09Chris Williamson?

  What word? The hot chocolate?

• 1:33:10Speaker 01

  Just hot chocolate talk with adults.

• 1:33:12Speaker 02

  Look at them. Chocolate talk. This doesn't make you mad? It's riling me up. It's pissing me off, actually. Look at them. I bet they're all in there. Oh, you know.

• 1:33:23Speaker 01

  This is a subset of.

• 1:33:24Speaker 02

  We don't have kids. Who needs kids? Fight the patriarch. Look at them.

• 1:33:29Chris Williamson?

  Is that not like you, though? Is that not just the female version of you, but with hot chocolate?

• 1:33:32Speaker 02

  No, that's not me, bro.

• 1:33:36Speaker 02

  It's ridiculous. I like the hot chocolate. Don't get me wrong. That's not what I'm judging.

• 1:33:39Speaker 01

  Dude, they would convert.

• 1:33:40Speaker 02

  Talking about them in a tent, sitting cross-legged and going like, hey, next up is a slam poetry about race. Like, what are we doing?

• 1:33:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a thing, man. That's a. It's like, that's like the super light psychedelic people go for. They go like, I'll do the cacao ceremony if you don't want to do, yeah.

• 1:33:55Speaker 03

  I feel like I would be there. I wouldn't do the psychedelic, but I'd do the cacao ceremony. I might do one this afternoon.

• 1:33:59Speaker 01

  It would be nice. Yeah, sure.

• 1:34:01Chris Williamson?

  We should have done it. We should have started off with like ceremonial grade cacao, seeing who got fucking, actually Hunter Biden on Monday.

• 1:34:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:08Speaker 02

  No, let's get the period cramps.

• 1:34:10Chris Williamson?

  His threshold for anything.

• 1:34:11Speaker 01

  He's gonna be like, whatever.

• 1:34:12Speaker 02

  Period cramps while you have some hot cocoa.

• 1:34:15Speaker 01

  He gotta throw in some more hot.

• 1:34:16Chris Williamson?

  I've gotta try and win the female audience back somehow. You know what I mean?

• 1:34:19Speaker 02

  That's my bad.

• 1:34:19Chris Williamson?

  God damn it.

• 1:34:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, man.

• 1:34:21Chris Williamson?

  What, uh, are you still on, are you weeding still? Are you still smoking or is, because you did for a while, right?

• 1:34:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I did for like a really long time. It naturally kind of just fell off, honestly.

• 1:34:30Chris Williamson?

  So it wasn't, uh, get arrested, cause of stratosphage?

• 1:34:34Speaker 02

  I got a question for Matt. You still drinking raw milk straight from the?

• 1:34:38Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 1:34:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude.

• 1:34:40Speaker 01

  Absolutely. Are you against raw milk?

• 1:34:42Speaker 02

  Not at all. That was awesome. When you told me about it, I was like, I gotta try that.

• 1:34:45Speaker 01

  It, it rules.

• 1:34:45Speaker 02

  The problem is.

• 1:34:46Speaker 01

  You're against weed.

• 1:34:47Speaker 02

  My commitment to like finding this fucking milk was not as committed as yours. It's hard to get.

• 1:34:52Speaker 01

  You go to farmer's market.

• 1:34:53Speaker 02

  Well, I've never been to a farmer's market in my life.

• 1:34:56Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 1:34:56Speaker 02

  Those places piss me off too. I go in, I go, what is all this dog shit?

• 1:35:00Speaker 01

  Farmer's market rules.

• 1:35:01Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:35:02Chris Williamson?

  You need the raw milk.

• 1:35:02Speaker 01

  Lab grown. You're eating lab grown meat. You eat the lab grown meat in California?

• 1:35:06Speaker 02

  I don't want to, but it's pretty easy to get.

• 1:35:08Speaker 01

  Probably there, yeah.

• 1:35:10Chris Williamson?

  What's, what's the sales case for raw milk?

• 1:35:14Speaker 01

  You, I have, if I drink regular pasteurized milk, I get congested, I fart. Like, I'm like lactose intolerant. If I drink raw milk, no problem.

• 1:35:21Chris Williamson?

  You strike me as a raw milk guy.

• 1:35:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, we get some raw milk on. It's awesome, you know? The only thing that sucks about it is it goes bad really quick. You gotta, you gotta, you gotta get really small bottles.

• 1:35:31Speaker 02

  So you get a bottle, just drink it within an hour?

• 1:35:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, you have, you have like.

• 1:35:35Speaker 02

  It's going bad, honey.

• 1:35:36Speaker 01

  You have six days to chug the gallon. I just, we, we just.

• 1:35:39Speaker 02

  Six days is all right.

• 1:35:39Speaker 01

  It's not bad for a gallon. Kill a gallon in six days. But yeah, the, uh, but yeah, the weed I slowed down, but it's always there. I tap it when I need to.

• 1:35:49Chris Williamson?

  It doesn't agree with me at all. I hate weed. It really doesn't.

• 1:35:52Speaker 01

  Why, so why do you hate weed?

• 1:35:54Speaker 02

  It just doesn't work for me, one. And then two, I feel like it's a dreamer's nightmare. You know, like all these guys I know are chasing their dreams and then they smoke weed and they just don't do anything. They just sit around. They were already kind of sitting around and now they're just all sitting around more.

• 1:36:07Speaker 01

  I know so many people that smoke weed and do all kinds of stuff.

• 1:36:09Speaker 02

  That's cool.

• 1:36:10Chris Williamson?

  I really, the world is kind of split into a few groups of people. This is a kind of an interesting thing I learned from a dude called Edward Slingel and he wrote a book about alcohol. And one of the reasons that alcohol got spread so wide, uh, civilisationally is that it's very reliable how it affects people. Like, you drunk is pretty similar to the sensation of me drunk is pretty similar, even if your behaviour is a bit different.

• 1:36:30Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:36:31Chris Williamson?

  The sensation's kind of the same, but one person that smokes weed gets horny, one person gets sleepy, one person gets creative, one person gets forgetful and lazy. And it's like the fact that it's so buried, means that it's kind of a bit of a shitty drug to do together because everyone's going off in fucking different side classes.

• 1:36:48Speaker 02

  Or hard to understand why I would not like it and he would like it. He's like, why don't you like it? I'm going, it's terrible when I do it. You don't want to be around me when you.

• 1:36:55Speaker 01

  I freak out, still, a lot, but it's kind of, once you like.

• 1:36:59Speaker 02

  Figure it out.

• 1:37:00Speaker 01

  Ride that wave down. I will say, I think mushrooms are way better than.

• 1:37:02Speaker 02

  I love mushrooms.

• 1:37:03Speaker 01

  Mushrooms rule. I would say mushrooms are, yeah.

• 1:37:05Chris Williamson?

  We should do mushrooms and run a marathon after this. We should all.

• 1:37:09Speaker 02

  That's it. Five hundred miles, dude, you up for it?

• 1:37:10Speaker 03

  That'd be awesome. Go. Rock and roll. Get some cacao and some.

• 1:37:17Speaker 01

  And then we'll set our fucking hymns.

• 1:37:18Speaker 03

  That's weird, though, the alcohol thing. Like, I know people that when they get, when they drink, they get, they're crying in the corner about, I know some others just gonna fight everybody, someone else is laughing, someone else gets super social. Like, that seems a little bit strange to me to hear that.

• 1:37:30Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, that was his argument. I, I think the sensation is at least the same for most people. Maybe their behaviour changes.

• 1:37:36Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:37:36Chris Williamson?

  Um, but you, you are right. I mean, I ran nightclubs for a decade and a half, right? I saw a million people on the front door of nightclubs. And you see every different version of like inner child demon come back out. Like my, we had this pic, this is kind of interesting for anyone that still works in nightlife or in hospitality. If a girl walks into a venue, a late night venue, usually after ten or eleven PM, wearing a jacket of some kind, maybe a denim jacket or a leather jacket, one of those like suit jacket things. And she doesn't have her arms in the sleeves.

• 1:38:09Chris Williamson?

  Seventy to eighty percent chance she's gonna get thrown out within the next hour. Like, they were always, every single time that they went in, they were the ones that would like swill someone, throw a drink on someone. It's kind of like the cut off leather jacket, like, sort of smoking kid in high school. It was just, every single time, it became a meme. And we didn't even know why. We just kind of started to select this thing and we'd be like, do jacket.

• 1:38:31Speaker 02

  Something about sleeves. Those Hells Angels never have sleeves.

• 1:38:34Chris Williamson?

  Sure enough, fucking forty-five minutes later, she's thrown a drink over someone. That bitch over there, she slept, she, that fucking slide. Before you know it, the door staff, like, you know, like an unwieldy cat, like picked her up like this.

• 1:38:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, you have to, you have to, as a bouncer, you have to like fold women's arms across their chest.

• 1:38:49Speaker 02

  No, just crack them on your head.

• 1:38:53Speaker 02

  Just gotta strike first, dude.

• 1:38:54Chris Williamson?

  Slap him with a period cramp simulator and then.

• 1:38:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:38:57Chris Williamson?

  Disable stunt.

• 1:38:58Speaker 02

  Easy uppercut.

• 1:38:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, the, the belker for alcohol probably is, there's probably is, there's outliers, but there probably is way more of just people.

• 1:39:05Chris Williamson?

  It's a good way to find it.

• 1:39:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think that's true. We eat, we eat in a crowd of people who are all high as, like, fifty percent of people are dipping off stuff. It's, it's not really a good crowd thing.

• 1:39:15Speaker 02

  I'd like to know who runs PR for marijuana. Cause like when I say I don't want to do drugs anymore, people are like, oh, you must have a problem or I don't want to drink. They go, hey, who cares? The second I push back against marijuana, everyone's like, dude, what are you talking about, man? You just gotta try a different strand and like, well, well, what happened? And how many times have you tried? I'm like, good, I just don't want to fucking do it, dude. It's not good. And then everyone just keeps pushing it on me.

• 1:39:36Chris Williamson?

  It is resilient.

• 1:39:37Speaker 01

  Alcohol's the same, though. Everyone who drinks is like, come on, man, have a drink.

• 1:39:41Speaker 02

  Well, they want to drink with you. They want your company.

• 1:39:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:44Chris Williamson?

  It's the only drug where if you don't do it, people assume you have a problem.

• 1:39:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:47Chris Williamson?

  Hey dude, why you not, why you not shooting up crack tonight?

• 1:39:51Speaker 02

  Come on, just do a little.

• 1:39:52Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, just, it's a Tuesday.

• 1:39:54Speaker 02

  Just do a little heroin, you idiot.

• 1:39:55Speaker 01

  I've heard that people who start shooting heroin, there is a big thing where they're trying to get other people to start shooting heroin too, because then they get to be the guy who gets you heroin. Now that you're like a middleman, so they can do free heroin.

• 1:40:07Speaker 02

  But they're bad salesmen because they're all like hunched over and you're like, I can't trust.

• 1:40:10Speaker 01

  I used to work with this guy and he had just, he would just be sweating all, he was shooting heroin all the time.

• 1:40:15Speaker 02

  You could be like me.

• 1:40:16Speaker 01

  Sweating all the time. He'd be like, dude, honestly, if you shot one bag, you'd be partying. And like, dude, it was, he was living in this like pretty fucked up thing and his like girlfriend was there just. On a mattress when you walk in and he'd just be like, he, he was like kind of tricking her out too. And it was just kind of like, ah, I think I'm all right. I think I'm gonna steer clear of joining your.

• 1:40:32Speaker 02

  The man of the people.

• 1:40:33Chris Williamson?

  Have you ever heard Hunter Biden talk about crack?

• 1:40:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, I saw that.

• 1:40:36Chris Williamson?

  I sent you the clip earlier on today.

• 1:40:38Speaker 01

  What did he say?

• 1:40:38Chris Williamson?

  It is just the best ad read for crack I've ever heard in my entire life. It makes crack sound fucking awesome.

• 1:40:45Speaker 02

  There's a comic named Jimmy, uh, who is one of my favorite people in Cleveland. He's the best. And he said he did, uh, he did crack one time. And, cause he does all the drugs and then one night he's just on one, so he's like, fuck it, I'll try it. Bought it from like a homeless guy. And he said it felt so good that he started to walk to his bank account, like, I'm gonna take all of my money and just get as much of this.

• 1:41:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:07Speaker 02

  The first time he ever did it. But he passed out on the way to like the ATM and just slept like on the street, like again. He goes, but I'm just telling you, the sensation that I felt was the greatest thing I've, I've ever felt in my life. And like, that's how addicted.

• 1:41:21Speaker 03

  One of my neighbor's nephews told, he was a meth head and ended up going to jail and he did seven years in jail. And when he got out, he was just talking to me about, and he said he tried meth for the first time. He goes, as soon as I tried it, it was the only thing I ever wanted to do for the rest of my life.

• 1:41:34Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 1:41:34Speaker 03

  And he did, he burned like every bridge in, you know, in, in his neighborhood and his whole family. And then the next city and he ended up going all over America until he eventually got busted in Texas.

• 1:41:43Speaker 02

  That's crazy, yeah.

• 1:41:44Speaker 03

  Down the wild.

• 1:41:44Speaker 02

  Heard it's pretty powerful.

• 1:41:46Chris Williamson?

  Weird keyhole in the back of some people's brains or systems or whatever. And just the right drug, just like. Fucking explosion. Like, the rest of your life just falls apart.

• 1:41:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's how opiates are for some people. I remember I tried like Percocets and stuff and it was like.

• 1:42:03Chris Williamson?

  That's like a painkiller?

• 1:42:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was like, not really for me. I was like, I don't understand these things. I know people who tried them. It was, that was it. They were just like, this is it, yeah.

• 1:42:10Chris Williamson?

  This, uh, seven O H stuff.

• 1:42:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:13Chris Williamson?

  Is seven hydroxytragenine something? I watched, uh, Hamilton Morris, the dude that used to do the Vice documentaries about drugs. He did this breakdown of, of what was going on with it. It's been used to get people off opiates, but it's, they're also sold in gummy bears at gas stations.

• 1:42:28Speaker 01

  It's kratom. It's kratom based, yeah.

• 1:42:30Chris Williamson?

  It's like pressed krat, it's like, it's like kratom's kratom. You know, like trank is fentanyl's fentanyl. Uh, it's this but legal. And the fucking Shell garage on South Lamar has just got stacks and stacks. And so there's kratom and then there's the seven O H pills and then there's dick pills.

• 1:42:47Speaker 03

  Will it impair you if you drive? Like, is it, I don't understand how they're selling that.

• 1:42:51Speaker 01

  Thirteen times, I think, more stronger than morphine.

• 1:42:53Speaker 03

  Like you're selling it at the seven eleven?

• 1:42:55Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:56Speaker 03

  And it's called, it's like pers- like P R K S. I think they're illegal now. I think they're making them illegal.

• 1:43:02Chris Williamson?

  They're trying to.

• 1:43:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:43:03Chris Williamson?

  Right now.

• 1:43:04Speaker 03

  They're like, apparently, I think they're, I swear to God, like ten.

• 1:43:08Chris Williamson?

  It's maybe even today that they're trying to pass the.

• 1:43:10Speaker 03

  Vape shops are crushed between the T H C A or what is it? Delta eight THC that now if you get caught with Delta eight in Texas, you go to jail for like five, five years.

• 1:43:20Speaker 01

  What's that a strong form of THC?

• 1:43:21Speaker 03

  Not even, but it's like the synthetic THC stuff that they're selling in vape shops. And now all that stuff's like super illegal in Texas. Like a vape cartridge, I think a vape cartridge is like five years.

• 1:43:32Chris Williamson?

  What they kept on doing was basically adding some new molecule. We're going to change this one bond and this one bond. And it doesn't affect anything to do with how your body interacts with it. Delta nine, delta ten, delta eleven, you just keep on running away. And the legislation can't catch up quickly enough.

• 1:43:45Speaker 02

  What's going on with this world?

• 1:43:46Speaker 03

  It was the farm bill. The farm bill said, farm bill that people, you could grow CBD, basically, which hemp is weed. They're saying things. It's just like, you can kind of, you know, curate it to have different canana- or whatever cananaeoids. So you can grow weed with THC, that's weed. If you grow weed with CBD, it's hemp. It's like, you know, it's the same exact plant. But then you could do the thing where if you take, every CBD plant has like point three percent THC. But if you grow a whole field of it, you could isolate all that THC and get like thousands of grams of pure THC. And that was technically legal to then make drinks with. So then they did a thing where you could have weed with T H C A, which is just regular weed. When you heat T H C A, it turns into THC.

• 1:44:28Speaker 03

  That's like when you decarboxylate weed to make brownies or whatever, you have to heat it up and the carbon molecule, whatever. And the, uh, so they were just selling T H C A weed. It was just weed legally for like three years due to the hemp farm bill that was federally legal.

• 1:44:41Chris Williamson?

  That's why.

• 1:44:42Speaker 03

  Weed was legal for four years, basically. And then they just, I think they're repealing it.

• 1:44:45Chris Williamson?

  This, have you been to Amsterdam and had the, uh, so they've got mushrooms, which is what grows above ground? And then truffles?

• 1:44:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:44:53Chris Williamson?

  Which is the root system and it's just the same thing. But they legislated what was above ground. And hey, if you eat.

• 1:45:00Speaker 02

  I like those kind of rules. It's very individual. Part, pal.

• 1:45:04Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:04Speaker 02

  Have that bottom.

• 1:45:06Speaker 03

  Funny thing with the farm bill, it became that the U S Department of Agriculture was overlooking weed grows for like four years. So you could literally grow weed and a guy from the U S Department of Agriculture would be like, yeah, it looks good. There was no, it wasn't, they shouldn't like the DEA, so unreg- it was weed was unregulated for like four years.

• 1:45:23Chris Williamson?

  Some guy that knows fertilizer and crop rotation.

• 1:45:27Chris Williamson?

  Combine harvest is very nice.

• 1:45:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. I had to take a selfie just to watch porn last night.

• 1:45:31Speaker 03

  Oh, you did it?

• 1:45:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:32Chris Williamson?

  Oh, because you're in Texas.

• 1:45:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, Texas guy, you gotta have proof. You're an adult.

• 1:45:36Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:45:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, I did it.

• 1:45:38Speaker 03

  Well, like on your phone or something?

• 1:45:39Speaker 02

  selfie, yeah. It said, hey, but take a selfie.

• 1:45:41Chris Williamson?

  Take a dick pic.

• 1:45:42Speaker 03

  True.

• 1:45:43Speaker 02

  No, I did it. I'm in some database now where they go, but this selfie, he goes, oh, he's old enough.

• 1:45:49Chris Williamson?

  Cause that's not the case in.

• 1:45:50Speaker 02

  That's a real thing. I'm not making that up.

• 1:45:52Speaker 03

  Your political enemies are going to use that. You're in the fucking.

• 1:45:54Speaker 02

  Well, I looked at porn. Sorry. Sorry, guys. That I looked at porn.

• 1:45:58Speaker 03

  You're in the DNC database.

• 1:45:59Speaker 02

  I'm a terrible guy now.

• 1:45:59Chris Williamson?

  Did do it on the twentieth floor without looking at those.

• 1:46:01Speaker 02

  Alone for fifteen days straight? You might look at some porn. Sorry, guys.

• 1:46:07Chris Williamson?

  You're in Texas for fifteen days?

• 1:46:09Speaker 02

  No, I was just saying, I was alone for fifteen days.

• 1:46:11Chris Williamson?

  I see.

• 1:46:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:46:13Chris Williamson?

  What are you doing in town? What else is going on?

• 1:46:15Speaker 02

  I've got mothership shows, uh, all weekend unreal. But then I've just been doing shooting guns and hanging out with friends and.

• 1:46:21Chris Williamson?

  Dropping into Jocko as well?

• 1:46:23Speaker 02

  That's it.

• 1:46:23Chris Williamson?

  Can you tell us about, can you tell that story about the huge fuck off sniper rifle thing? That was so.

• 1:46:28Speaker 03

  Yeah. Uh, so somebody made a sniper rifle to, to see if this was a good idea. And I want to see it was either twenty millimeter or twenty five, but I think it was a twenty five millimeter sniper rifle. And they brought it up to our sniper school. And they wanted to see if this like is a viable idea. So twenty five millimeter is massive. This is a massive freaking bullet. And this, uh, they start giving it to the students to see if they can hit anything. Well, you're, you're like bracing for, for that thing to go off. And no one could shoot it properly. And you know, guy might hit the target one time and then they're just so petrified to pull the trigger again, they'd miss. And they would just be like, hey, I'm not shooting this anymore.

• 1:47:10Speaker 03

  And so I have a buddy who was the senior guy that was in charge of the sniper school, who is one hard, hard individual and little crazy. And no one could make this gun work. And then finally he's like, all right, give it to me. And he sat down and just like gritted his teeth and just cracked off a round, hit the target. Just sucked it up, cracked off another round, hit the target again, cracked off three, that's like a normal three round group, puts it all on target. And the people that had manufactured this weapon like, oh my gosh, it's a viable option. And he just got up and was like, do not make this weapon. It was just so crazy. But a testament to that dude who is like just a hard, crazy.

• 1:47:51Speaker 02

  I'm like that guy, dude.

• 1:47:52Speaker 03

  Yeah. He's like the guy, one of the guys we were talking about earlier.

• 1:47:54Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 1:47:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, you know, you, he, he would need an outlet, you know what I mean? But that's exactly who you want in war. Like somebody that'd be like, oh, you want, no one can do this? Cool. Watch this. I'll do it. I'll, I'll take whatever concussive impact there is to the shooting this thing. I'll do it.

• 1:48:09Chris Williamson?

  What is it that's happening if you fire a gun that's that big? Is it just the shockwave? Is it the fact that it's hitting you in the body? Like what was the?

• 1:48:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, the worst thing is the shockwave, like the shockwave, that concussive wave that you're going to get over your head, you know? Is going to be, this can be gnarly.

• 1:48:24Chris Williamson?

  And it's gonna be like just sickness, disorienting, little like micro.

• 1:48:27Speaker 03

  It's like getting cracked in the head. You know, when you spar and you get, somebody cracks you and you're like, oh, you see that little white flash? And you can still power through it like he did. And then you take another, you know, crack to the head and you're like, okay, I can power through.

• 1:48:37Chris Williamson?

  You that's cracking you to the head.

• 1:48:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, you, you're cracking yourself.

• 1:48:40Chris Williamson?

  Trigger of this thing.

• 1:48:40Speaker 03

  And then the next day you're like, wow, I wonder why I have this headache. Oh, yeah.

• 1:48:43Chris Williamson?

  I can't remember the last day.

• 1:48:45Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:48:46Chris Williamson?

  Is that not, you know, when guys have got huge cannons and they're like in World War Two and stuff like that, would that not have been that times a thousand?

• 1:48:52Speaker 03

  Totally, totally. Yeah.

• 1:48:53Speaker 02

  Would it affect a dolphin's brain the same as it would affect the?

• 1:48:56Speaker 03

  Possibly. I don't know. Depends on who's riding the things back.

• 1:49:00Speaker 02

  Fucking swimming around going, the shock is what hurts the worst.

• 1:49:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, after like, after picking mines off the straight of a muse, yeah, probably.

• 1:49:07Chris Williamson?

  I always think about seeing World War Two shit when the guys are just loading huge shells in and then they've got a, like a bathroom light switch pole. Boom.

• 1:49:17Speaker 03

  Yep. They didn't even wear hearing protection either.

• 1:49:19Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:49:19Speaker 03

  Like they didn't wear hearing protection, they just got some. Yeah.

• 1:49:22Speaker 02

  I thought about that today when I was shooting it, just about how much my grandpa would have loved just the technology that was in the scope. The scope alone, I was like, this is, I mean, I'm nailing it because the scope is so accurate and whatever. It's like they, they didn't have any of that, you know?

• 1:49:36Chris Williamson?

  They're cheating away.

• 1:49:37Speaker 02

  Shooting stuff.

• 1:49:37Chris Williamson?

  What's the truth around, there's these rumors, I don't know whether it was World War Two or Vietnam or whatever, the number of soldiers that never fired their weapon directly at the enemy.

• 1:49:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:49:48Chris Williamson?

  Did that ever get debunked or whatever?

• 1:49:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, it got debunked. So there's a guy named S L A Marshall who wrote this book and wrote these theories about how, and he went around and interviewed soldiers. And it turns out, you know, it wasn't true. You know, like he used it and it's kind of, he had the hypothesis going into it, but it wasn't true.

• 1:50:05Chris Williamson?

  And the theory was that maybe people on one side of the battle were not prepared to try and fire that weapon.

• 1:50:11Speaker 03

  The, the theory was like, it's such an abhorrent thing for humans to like shoot a weapon at other humans that they just would get to that point. And they go, I can't do it. And you know, the, the number was like ten percent of, only ten percent of the troops involved in direct combat would actually engage the enemy. And so that's when they started using man shaped silhouettes to shoot at for targets. And, and even putting like pictures. So you get, oh, they're going to condition these guys to be able to shoot, you know, at, at man shaped targets. Because they said they needed that kind of conditioning. But again, the guy, S L A Marshall, he was, you know, he was like a reservist. And he was a, he was a journalist in his regular life. So it was kind of him, you know, hyping up a story and.

• 1:50:50Chris Williamson?

  Sensationalism.

• 1:50:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, sensationalism. But also pretty nuts to explain like World War Two casualty numbers, but yeah, it was just ten percent of the guys.

• 1:50:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:59Chris Williamson?

  Oh yeah. Imagine if everybody else had decided to fire the weapons, it'd just be no one left.

• 1:51:03Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty nuts. Yeah. And he, he kind of, he also made some stories up about how much he had been in combat in World War One. So it was the whole thing. And he had a lot of clout inside the military, you know, he had a lot of clout from that. You know, he, he wrote that, that theory, he wrote another theory about how much weight guys can carry. That was a little bit more realistic, but yeah, so it's a little bit debunked.

• 1:51:23Speaker 02

  What happens to guys like that? Is he on like a list right now or is like, do people want to kill that guy? You know, when someone starts publishing shit and making things up, it must piss you off.

• 1:51:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think it pisses everyone off.

• 1:51:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's my point.

• 1:51:34Speaker 03

  That's like, it's kind of the, the rule is.

• 1:51:36Speaker 02

  The code.

• 1:51:36Speaker 03

  Yeah. Like, hey, don't try and make yourself into something that you weren't, you know? And, and generally speaking, it's like, oh, you're in the military, good job. Thank you for your service. Where, you know, there's a whole spectrum of things that you could do. Everyone from being a, a supply clerk to somebody that's on the front lines.

• 1:51:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:51Speaker 03

  You know, get in direct combat. And it's like, yeah, everyone did their part. Thank you for doing your part. Where people get into trouble is when they make it out to seem as if they did more than they actually did.

• 1:52:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:52:03Speaker 03

  So.

• 1:52:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. Also, one time I was at Top Golf with my friend Josh Nelson. For a six dollar discount, they go, are you a veteran or a senior citizen or whatever?

• 1:52:13Speaker 03

  Stolen valor.

• 1:52:14Speaker 02

  He said I was, he said that he was a veteran and he got six bucks off.

• 1:52:18Speaker 03

  I'm coming for you. What's his name? Jeff Johnson?

• 1:52:20Speaker 02

  Josh Nelson.

• 1:52:20Speaker 03

  Josh Nelson.

• 1:52:21Chris Williamson?

  Twenty five millimeter rifle.

• 1:52:24Speaker 02

  Six bucks, Josh? Was it worth it?

• 1:52:26Speaker 03

  He's probably getting the Chili's, the, the Chili's discount and everything.

• 1:52:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, she just goes, are you a senior citizen or a veteran or whatever the third thing was? And he goes, yes. You know, so maybe he was stealing valor from the old people or the students, but I took it as a, as an insult to my man here. So Josh, watch your fucking back.

• 1:52:46Chris Williamson?

  What are the best privileges, vet- veteran privileges that you get? I always hear that you can, uh, active military gets on the plane first. That seems pretty fucking cool.

• 1:52:56Speaker 03

  Not even, not even first though. I think concierge key gets on before the military. I swear to God, I don't think they're first.

• 1:53:02Speaker 02

  We can only get concierge key if you're a veteran.

• 1:53:04Speaker 03

  I don't think so.

• 1:53:04Chris Williamson?

  I don't know what that is. What is that?

• 1:53:06Speaker 03

  Uh, I don't know. Some like super.

• 1:53:08Chris Williamson?

  You've got a million miles.

• 1:53:10Speaker 03

  Cause I remember, I, I could be wrong, but I'm almost positive it's not military first. It's like, I swear to God, it's like, it's like Sky Club or something.

• 1:53:18Speaker 02

  It's some bullshit.

• 1:53:19Speaker 03

  I swear to God.

• 1:53:19Chris Williamson?

  If you have a Seahawks.

• 1:53:21Speaker 03

  I could be wrong, but I, I'm. I think, I think, I think you're wrong. I think you might be wrong. I think, I think active duty military goes first.

• 1:53:29Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:53:29Speaker 03

  I think that is who goes first. They go right after the pre boarding.

• 1:53:32Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 1:53:32Speaker 03

  And then it's like.

• 1:53:34Chris Williamson?

  Disabled people, people that need wheelchairs and assistance and then. Oh, here we go. What order does the military get let on in planes? Depends on the airline.

• 1:53:41Speaker 03

  There we go.

• 1:53:42Chris Williamson?

  Passengers needing extra assistance, active duty.

• 1:53:44Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:53:45Speaker 02

  Why would wheelchairs be before active military?

• 1:53:48Speaker 03

  Cause you gotta, it takes a while. It takes a while.

• 1:53:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, but fuck them. That's better than, what are we talking about? There's already sitting, they're relaxed.

• 1:53:56Chris Williamson?

  Very judgmental for the people that have got disabilities today. Uh, what else do you get? What else?

• 1:54:00Speaker 03

  Probably quite, quite frankly, the probably the best, one of the best benefits that you get from the military is the VA loan. So you get a loan to buy a house and it's no money down. So that's, that's pretty awesome.

• 1:54:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:11Chris Williamson?

  How, how does that work?

• 1:54:12Speaker 03

  You just, you know, you get a VA loan. So if you were gonna buy a

• 1:54:15Chris Williamson?

  VA, sorry.

• 1:54:16Speaker 03

  Veterans Administration.

• 1:54:17Chris Williamson?

  Right.

• 1:54:17Speaker 03

  So if you're gonna buy a $300,000 house, instead of having to come up with whatever 10% or 20% to put down on that, you can just get a VA loan. You, it's all, you can borrow all that money.

• 1:54:27Chris Williamson?

  Cool.

• 1:54:28Speaker 03

  So, yeah.

• 1:54:28Chris Williamson?

  Pay back whenever you want.

• 1:54:29Speaker 03

  It makes that first, well, not whenever you want, you'll have a mortgage, but, but.

• 1:54:32Chris Williamson?

  The loan bit, right?

• 1:54:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, they have the loan. It's just a normal mortgage. But yeah, that's, that's a cool thing. Yeah, there's a bunch of good benefits. You know, the, the health benefits that you get for the rest of your life, which, you know, people have different experiences with the VA. There's, there's, it's somewhat socialized medicine, which, as you know, being from England is not always the best thing, but since it is America and we try and take care of our veterans, some people, depending, it's, a lot of it is like, almost like a franchise, you know, you go to some franchise and it's pretty good to go and you go to another franchise and it's not. So there's some of that with the VA where depending on where you are and what the VA is like in your city or in your town, it can be pretty good or it can be pretty bad. So there's, you know, obviously that's a, a great thing, the health benefits that you get from it.

• 1:55:16Speaker 03

  You get, you know, money for college if you want to go to college or you can pass it on to your kids if, if you want to do that. So, yeah, there's a bunch of good, I mean, there's a bunch of really good benefits from being in the military and obviously I love being in the military. So I'll say all kinds of good stuff about it.

• 1:55:31Chris Williamson?

  The UK, the, the biggest difference that I've seen from going UK to US from the military side is how much reverence there is for veterans. Like, it's almost, to be honest, kind of looked down on a little in the UK if you were.

• 1:55:43Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:55:43Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. I mean, maybe not if you went to Sandhurst and did the officer thing in the track, but it's just seen as you didn't choose to have a more refined, it's very, I've, it feels very icky. Like, it doesn't feel like the same kind of pedestalization, like upholding the, the sanctity of protecting the country and doing the thing.

• 1:56:05Speaker 03

  That's kind of crazy, considering the proud tradition of the British military.

• 1:56:09Chris Williamson?

  There is no getting on the plane first. I've, I mean, maybe you get a discount in Nando's for 10% or something, but.

• 1:56:16Speaker 01

  Top Golf.

• 1:56:16Chris Williamson?

  It's just a Top Golf, Top Golf UK. I just, it's not got the same, I mean, and I was wearing some Black Rifle Coffee T-shirt a couple of years ago and they just that tri-blend military green thing. And I think on all of their T-shirts, they've got the flag on the arm. And it's just, it's got a Reaper on the front of it and some older guy on a plane that was sat toward the front. So I walked past, so I'm being sort of shunted along, I mean, with the like cabin class going toward the back and I can't slow down. And he goes, thank you for your service. And I'm like, no, it's not, I'm really, I'm English and I didn't, wasn't a, I'm like, you know, like I stole valor like passively. Or like he threw, he sort of threw valor at me. Which I think is different. And I'm like, I can't put this down. I'm like, trying to bat it away.

• 1:57:01Speaker 01

  Dude, if I served food in the military and someone even hit it towards me being in combat, I'd be like, I won't talk about it. I know this about myself. I know this about myself. I would have 100% do that. And I hate that about myself, but I would definitely do that.

• 1:57:14Chris Williamson?

  I don't like to.

• 1:57:15Speaker 01

  I wouldn't say anything. I would be like, uh, guys like these, you know what I'm saying? I'm just honest. I'm just being honest. If someone were to give me credit like that, I wouldn't be like, well, actually I'd be like, eh, you know, we all played our part.

• 1:57:26Speaker 03

  It's actually real. I'll talk, I'll talk to guys or guys will ask me, guys that were in the military, like before September 11th, after Vietnam, before September 11th. They did whatever, 1994 to 1999, and they feel so bad and so guilty that they didn't serve in combat. And, you know, I always tell them, hey, you did what your country needed you to do at the time, you know, like, thank you for your service. And that's, but, but guys do feel guilty about that.

• 1:57:48Chris Williamson?

  What was happening then from a military perspective?

• 1:57:50Speaker 03

  Nothing, nothing really. Yeah. I mean, I was in the entire 90s and we didn't do barely anything. We did like shipboardings or over in the Persian Gulf, people that were smuggling whatever stuff and in and out of Iraq. So we did shipboardings over there to like get control of those vessels. But that was pretty much like the real, the real missions that we were doing at the time. And it was just not that big of a deal.

• 1:58:10Chris Williamson?

  So what happens when 2001 comes along? Like, what, what did that feel like to go from seeing this period of relative, I mean, as peaceful as the fucking military with guns can be, I suppose.

• 1:58:21Speaker 03

  Very peaceful.

• 1:58:22Chris Williamson?

  And then there is a very large, or two very large pistols that get set off.

• 1:58:26Speaker 03

  It was, it was a total, totally different. Yeah. Total game changer for everybody. Yeah. Overnight.

• 1:58:31Chris Williamson?

  What was waking up mid-September like?

• 1:58:34Speaker 03

  Um, well, we just knew, I mean, everybody knew that we were going to war. Now, if you would have asked me at the time, would we be, you're gonna be at war for two decades? I wouldn't have thought that. We all thought that much like some of the other sort of operations that had taken place, whether it's Panama or Grenada, something like that. These things lasted a few days. Even the first Gulf War over in 72 hours. I was, so I was, the, the Navy had sent me to college at the time. So I was in college. And I was all distraught because I thought I was gonna miss this war. You know, I want to be a commander my whole life. You know, there's nothing going on in the 90s when I'm in, and I know that we're all going to war and it's probably gonna be over very shortly and I'm not gonna be a part of it. So I actually called the guy that was in charge of assigning us to

• 1:59:16Speaker 03

  wherever, whatever SEAL team you're gonna go to. And I said, hey, sir, you know, please get me out of here, send me back to a SEAL team. I'll finish college later. And he, he said, hey, this is gonna last a long time. And I didn't believe him. He goes, this is gonna last a really long time. And I was like, no, it's not. He goes, uh, finish college and I'll get you to a team. And sure enough, I mean, he got me to a team a little while later and sure enough, he got me to a team that was deploying next, luckily, thankfully to Iraq. But even my first deployment to Iraq, I thought, oh, this is gonna be over, you know, we'll be, I'm so lucky I'm good to be here and do, do my job for six months right now, because it's probably gonna be over. Then probably that was 2003, 2004. Now we get into 2005, you start saying, oh, this is gonna be on for a long time. And then, you know, it lasted for two decades.

• 1:59:59Chris Williamson?

  When did you realize that it was gonna be more than just a couple of, a couple of years?

• 2:00:04Speaker 03

  I would say the middle of 2005. That's when the news, you started really hearing the shift in the news that they were saying that this is an insurgency now, you know, as opposed to just a regime, hey, we're gonna take out the regime and walk away, which could, we could have done. But instead now we're gonna stay there, we're gonna try and turn them into, you know, a democratic country. It's like, okay, that might not be a great idea. Okay. And now you start to have the insurgency, which is Al Qaeda leadership starts coming in from other countries and they're starting to run and direct and finance operations inside Iraq. And the local populace, again, you know, there's so many complexities to this, but, you know, the, the, the, the Shias are the

• 2:00:45Speaker 03

  majority people there and it's been run by the Sunnis for a long time. So it doesn't take much to sort of spark a spark friction between those two elements, because they already have bad blood between each other. And of course, they, Al Qaeda doesn't want America to have any success over there. So they do their best to spark that conflict between the Sunnis and the Shias. It's a disaster. Yeah.

• 2:01:06Chris Williamson?

  Well, 9/11 is maybe second only to the atomic bombs is like very small period of time that just totally changed the course of the future.

• 2:01:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure. Um, and I would say even the atomic bombs were less because that, that was, you know, the direction that we were going in, we were going in that direction. If we would have, if we didn't have atomic bombs that time, we would have landed on mainland Japan and we would have, we would have been a costly victory, but we were gonna win. So I would say that, yeah, 9/11 was even more of a radical change. Yeah, such a left turn.

• 2:01:39Speaker 01

  Were you more Sunni or Shia?

• 2:01:42Speaker 03

  So it depends on how you look at it. The, the, the Sunnis and the Shias, you know, it's, it's one of those scenarios where we worked alongside the Sunnis, but the Shias made up the vast majority of the army, of the, of the Iraqi army. So you kind of had to, you know, you kind of had to do both. You kind of had to get, get along with both of them.

• 2:02:02Speaker 01

  Reasonable.

• 2:02:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:02:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. Both guy.

• 2:02:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, you kind of got to get along with both.

• 2:02:07Chris Williamson?

  It's fucking crazy. I mean, it's 25th anniversary is in a month.

• 2:02:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:02:12Speaker 01

  What?

• 2:02:13Chris Williamson?

  For 9/11.

• 2:02:14Speaker 01

  I didn't know it was called an anniversary of, of a tragedy.

• 2:02:17Chris Williamson?

  What, what would you call it?

• 2:02:18Speaker 03

  Maybe memorial? Maybe memorial?

• 2:02:22Speaker 01

  Just call it 25, like 250.

• 2:02:24Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Like America's 250. Yeah, memorial, I guess, but.

• 2:02:27Speaker 01

  Make 25 merge.

• 2:02:28Chris Williamson?

  Bro, I remember before I moved out here, it was the back end of, uh, 21. And, uh, I was watching these awesome documentaries. Netflix did just the best, like the archive footage, even though you've got such a constrained amount. They keep on finding or being able to remaster or make stuff a little bit better. And, uh, this is as I'm sort of dreaming of coming out to America. And when you're anywhere that hasn't been involved in living in Manhattan, thinking about it, it almost feels unreal. It's like watching somebody play a video game, kind of.

• 2:02:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:02:57Chris Williamson?

  And it, because it's such an insane city and the density is so high. And then obviously the incidence is just like so crazy. And now that I've spent time, lots of time in New York and I fucking love Manhattan. I think it's so cool. Thinking about that thing happening, like that actually happened in a city that I've spent tons of time in, that I've walked around Freedom Tower, I've seen, you know, Ground Zero, all that stuff. That must have just been for the people that were there. That must have been like.

• 2:03:29Chris Williamson?

  One of the most across all of human history.

• 2:03:33Chris Williamson?

  What other days have been more insane to have seen something like that happen?

• 2:03:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:03:36Chris Williamson?

  So crazy.

• 2:03:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, seeing a plane crash into a fucking building.

• 2:03:40Chris Williamson?

  Two.

• 2:03:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 2:03:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, obviously Pearl Harbor was a huge was a huge impact as well, but again, that we are leaning in that direction anyways, you know, it was like, hmm, there's a lot of isolationists in America, obviously during that time, but you know, there was also people that were like, hey, we got to do something and that that tipped the scales. But yeah, nine 11 was just, you know, we were all just carrying on with normal stuff.

• 2:04:04Chris Williamson?

  It's like a

• 2:04:05Speaker 03

  And then boom.

• 2:04:05Chris Williamson?

  It's shocking incident at Pearl Harbor and with the atomic bombs, but not a shocking trajectory. This is a total just

• 2:04:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:15Chris Williamson?

  Off road, left turn thing. So yeah, it's it's wild. That being said, I it's so fascinating to see now in retrospect, what that did. It changed travel. It changed the entire sort of geopolitical landscape. Yeah, I wonder how different the world would be if that if that hadn't happened. It would be like literally a different fucking universe.

• 2:04:35Speaker 03

  Different universe. Yeah. I mean, my life, obviously, everybody that I know would, you know, who knows what their lives would be like.

• 2:04:42Chris Williamson?

  You'd have still been in college.

• 2:04:45Speaker 03

  Maybe.

• 2:04:47Speaker 01

  Just keep.

• 2:04:48Chris Williamson?

  Do you guys know anyone that was there in Manhattan during?

• 2:04:51Speaker 01

  The only story I've heard is that, uh, you know, Louis J Gomez? Comedian, he rollerbladed away. He was on rollerblades and he rollerbladed like away from New York City.

• 2:05:00Speaker 02

  Faster than he's ever rollerbladed in his life.

• 2:05:03Speaker 01

  It's a true story. Apparently he like, he wasn't like at ground zero, but he was there when it got impacted.

• 2:05:08Chris Williamson?

  Wheelies could have helped.

• 2:05:09Speaker 01

  Wheelies could have helped. He had rollerblade. He apparently rollerbladed like super far. It was like, ah, just rollerbladed away.

• 2:05:15Chris Williamson?

  Louis Gomez? Speed skating away from it?

• 2:05:19Speaker 02

  I like the idea of the.

• 2:05:21Speaker 03

  Talk about PTSD, you know, it's like the big biggest day in history and you get caught on rollerblades.

• 2:05:27Speaker 02

  It's like a bad dream.

• 2:05:29Speaker 03

  Nightmare. Where were you in that? Just rollerblading around. You know, having E pads on and elbow pads and a helmet.

• 2:05:36Speaker 01

  Risk cards.

• 2:05:37Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. Oh, you are safe. You know, Michael Jackson was supposed to have a meeting on the top of one of the Twin Towers on nine 11, but he slept in.

• 2:05:44Speaker 02

  Can we confirm?

• 2:05:47Speaker 02

  Sounds like some bullshit.

• 2:05:48Chris Williamson?

  Let me give you an even better one. Let me give you an even fucking better one than that.

• 2:05:51Speaker 01

  Never there.

• 2:05:52Chris Williamson?

  Seth MacFarlane, guy that started Family Guy, was supposed to get on a flight on the morning of nine 11 and his assistant misbooked the time on his schedule. He arrived at the airport but missed the plane. So the plane left. That was the plane that hit the South Tower.

• 2:06:07Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:06:08Chris Williamson?

  Yep. So he bought his assistant Rolls Royce as a thank you for having gotten him late. Might be the very only. Uh, Michael Jackson was definitely in New York City. The answer is possibly, but not definitely established. His brother said in his memoir and in interviews, Michael was scheduled to attend meetings at the World Trade Center that morning but overslept. That looks good enough for me.

• 2:06:28Speaker 01

  No, yeah, he was. Wasn't he hooked up to like Propanol or something?

• 2:06:32Chris Williamson?

  That day?

• 2:06:33Speaker 01

  Probably. I think he was. He used to, a doctor used to like hook him up to like a sleeping drug. He would like IV.

• 2:06:39Chris Williamson?

  Pretty sure Propanol's, uh, is that beta blockers?

• 2:06:42Speaker 01

  Well, maybe.

• 2:06:42Chris Williamson?

  That's propanol. And maybe Propanol is what you use for general anesthesia.

• 2:06:46Speaker 01

  That's he would do anesthesia every night to go to bed.

• 2:06:48Chris Williamson?

  Fuck.

• 2:06:49Speaker 03

  My sister, my sister lives in Manhattan. My sister was in Manhattan on September 11th. And we didn't hear for from her for a couple of days. I mean, I wasn't like super worried about her because she lived, she didn't work in the trade centers or anything, but there was a couple of days where there was not good communications coming in out of there because of all the, all the traffic over this old school cell phone towers and all that.

• 2:07:07Speaker 01

  Did you ever hear about the insurance? There's like the occurrence debacle with the World Trade Center. So it's like the guy who owned them, he was taking out a 99 year lease and the like their insurance thing, it said like, in the event of an occurrence, like a disastrous occurrence, you would get, you know, $3.8 billion. He was like, since it was two planes, it's two occurrences. I should get like

• 2:07:27Chris Williamson?

  Double.

• 2:07:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, pretty much like seven billion. And he had a fault. Some of the insurance companies actually had to pay double and then another one just was like, no, we're not doing that. But he, he went for double. He's like, it was technically two planes. It was one word in the contract that cost billions of dollars.

• 2:07:41Speaker 02

  Well, it is. I mean, what are the odds?

• 2:07:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, shit. Yeah.

• 2:07:44Speaker 03

  Then that's what you get insurance for.

• 2:07:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

• 2:07:47Chris Williamson?

  Fuck me. I mean, that stuff, all of this stuff around COVID, Bill Ackman, you know, Bill Ackman, the guy that made the short selling bet against Herbalife? So he's a trader, but he trades against companies as opposed to for them. And short sellers are usually pretty disliked inside of the market because you're actively going after market value. You're betting against something. So you're trying to take them down. You're finding out shit to do with their executives or the financials aren't right, or the formulation doesn't work or something as opposed to, hey, positive sum, I'll just bet on the market going up and to the right. And during COVID, he put a special kind of insurance on early. So he sort of put this bet that the whole market was going to go to shit. You know, the, the big

• 2:08:28Chris Williamson?

  short, that was Michael Burry's thing and they made the document, the movie about it. Bill Ackman made more money than the big short in six weeks with this one bet.

• 2:08:38Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 2:08:38Chris Williamson?

  Like called the new big short. The problem is, the reason I think it's not been dramatized is there's not that much drama. It's just one guy who's got a good bit of vision going.

• 2:08:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:08:48Chris Williamson?

  I think this is gonna fuck the world. Pressing a button, pressing a button. And there's no narrative, right? There's no story unfolding and all the rest of it. But yeah, I mean, in the fucking financial crisis. Like how much would nine 11 have played into that?

• 2:09:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:09:02Chris Williamson?

  Crackers, dude.

• 2:09:03Speaker 03

  It's also wild with the financial crisis that so few people, of all these people that are sitting around in, in New York, in those big buildings, trying to figure out what's going to happen. And there's like six or seven guys that are going, oh, here's a good bet. You guys are all making a bad move.

• 2:09:17Chris Williamson?

  The newspapers in the build up to the Great Depression, I think in the couple of weeks, or you can do a like sentiment analysis on all of the headlines, not a single person is predicting it. It comes out of absolute no way. Everyone's, it's going to be a boon. 1929 is going to be even better, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta, ta. And yeah, people just don't see it. So there is a long and illustrious history of people not being able to predict what the fuck is going to go on with finances.

• 2:09:44Speaker 03

  Yeah. And by the way, that's just true in life, you know, I always bring this up with like war and combat. People, oh, this is going to happen. That's going to happen. Like you, you don't know. You know what's going to happen. So don't put all your money on the table on one bet because it's not a good move unless maybe you're Bill Ackman.

• 2:09:59Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. How do you, it seems like there's sort of two things that you're trying to do at once there. One is have as much control and prediction as possible in the micro, but it sounds like you're just totally hands on. It's like this walk can go on for as long as it does. We have no idea how the rest of the country and the geopolitics and the governments are going to interact with each other. How, is that difficult?

• 2:10:20Speaker 03

  Well, to me, it's not that difficult. The, it's not that difficult to look at any situation and say, oh yeah, I'm not exactly sure what's going to happen. And this is a mistake that America's made many times, which is, oh, we're weak. This is what's going to happen. You know, we know what's going to happen. You don't know what's going to happen. No one knows what's going to happen. It's like getting in a fight, right? You go, you walk up, you're walking down the street, you see some guy that's whatever, skinny and weak looking and possibly drunk. And you're like, oh, I'm going to kick this guy's ass. What happens? He pulls out a knife, you know, you, you stumble, like there's, there's, there's, there's things that can happen that you cannot predict, even when you're bigger, stronger. And if you have that attitude, lack of humility, then you're going to make mistakes. So, you know, all these things that go on in the world when people start, start

• 2:11:04Speaker 03

  explaining exactly how it's going to happen. I'm like, you do not know what's going to happen. You don't understand human will. Like, how do you know what someone else is willing to go through? You have no idea. Just like you can't look at a guy that's going through seal training and say, oh, that guy's going to make and that guy's not. No, you have no idea. So you look at a whole country and you're going to say, oh, this is how they're going to behave. You have no idea how they're going to behave. And you don't really understand their culture. And even if you did understand their culture from your college that you went to in New York, you don't understand what it's like on the ground. So we, we make a lot of moves that we shouldn't be making just because we think we can predict things that we can't predict.

• 2:11:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, I saw a lot of that in the Iran stuff where you'd have a professors, like I've been studying unilateral bi-proxy warfare for 30 years, my analysis. And you're like, dude, shut up. Shut up. You have no idea.

• 2:11:45Speaker 03

  You do not know.

• 2:11:46Chris Williamson?

  It is, it's got to be hard to be someone who's supposed to make predictions because you, like, there's so many ways that it can go wrong and literally only one way that it can go right.

• 2:11:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:11:57Chris Williamson?

  Like of all of the different ways that the future could unfold, I'm pinning my colors to the mast of this one.

• 2:12:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:12:03Chris Williamson?

  And every single other bet that could happen for reasons that I do or don't know about, I'm just fucked.

• 2:12:08Speaker 03

  Dude, I, I read a book called, uh, The Next Hundred Years. I don't know if I talked about this before by George Friedman. And he, he wrote it, I think like.

• 2:12:16Speaker 01

  I would say the early 2000s, maybe like 2010 or whatever, but he, I remember, I only read half, but he was, he predicted our Russia-Ukraine conflict back then, almost to like the T.

• 2:12:29Chris Williamson?

  When was it written?

• 2:12:30Speaker 01

  I don't know, I have to look it up, but it was definitely written maybe like 10 years before the Russia-Ukraine thing happened.

• 2:12:35Chris Williamson?

  Did he say why he thought he was gonna?

• 2:12:37Speaker 01

  He was just saying they have to, like it's an eventual, like Russia needs that area to secure their, because like their borders are so weak. Cause like from Ukraine, it's just, you're right there to the major cities. So like they're gonna have to do that eventually.

• 2:12:48Chris Williamson?

  How much is that, that Russia-Ukraine conflict? I'm aware you're not an active participant in the way that you used to be, but has that changed the sort of landscape of how people think about warfare tactically?

• 2:12:58Speaker 03

  Totally. I mean, a hundred percent. The drones is a totally new world. That's a totally new world. And it's very interesting just how fast they make changes and adjust to the technology and the tactics as well. Has been incredible to see. So it's full, like capitalism warfare, meaning that the faster you can adapt and do things a different way and a new way that's successful and put more resources behind that, that's what they're doing. And they're doing it very rapidly. That's what's keeping the Ukrainians in the game is that they're just, they're, like I read an article about, there was an element, there's, there's these drone elements, like drone units of, of Ukrainians.

• 2:13:40Speaker 03

  And they basically say, hey, here's how we're keeping score. Go do as much damage as you can. Whoever does the most damage out of these, I don't know what the numbers, but four or five, let's say four or five platoons of drone operators. Okay. Whoever gets the most action or destroys the most Russian, we're, we're gonna give you more money. And that's exactly what they did. They're gamified. And so they're going, okay, well, what can we do? How can we make this work? How can we, and they're just figuring out a way to win and they're doing it very rapidly. This is what, this is what America's not good at, right? This is why Anduril, companies like Anduril, who are just gonna make stuff and do it very rapidly, are gonna end up being much more valuable than the, than the old traditional, unless Raytheon and, and those other big ones make adjustments.

• 2:14:23Speaker 03

  They're not gonna be able to keep up with a company like Anduril because capitalism on the battlefield is a really important thing. The way things are moving so quickly.

• 2:14:32Chris Williamson?

  Capitalism warfare is so fucking cool.

• 2:14:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. Does sound fucking sick.

• 2:14:36Chris Williamson?

  What, uh, what are the changes? So it's mostly drones? That's the big?

• 2:14:40Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, it's drones. The drones are totally, totally different. Yeah. I mean, you guys all watch the videos. I'm sure you guys, you know, stay up at night watching videos of these things going on.

• 2:14:49Chris Williamson?

  Doing headsets.

• 2:14:49Speaker 03

  But like, one of the most interesting things, if, if you're tracking this, you know, the, the, the original drones were all controlled by radio, right? Radio frequencies and those things were getting blocked and jammed. And so all these new drones are controlled by, by wire, by, by, you know, filament, um, fiber optics. And they can go, they have fiber optic cables that are 60 kilometers long.

• 2:15:14Speaker 01

  What?

• 2:15:15Speaker 03

  And so you got this, it looks like a little tube on the, and, and there's a whole thing in there wrapped with the filament. And they fly these things 60 kilometers. And the whole battlefield over there is now draped with this, this filament, this, this fiber optic filament. It's like, it's like spider webs, but you know, this is what they're doing. This is how fast.

• 2:15:36Speaker 01

  What about stuff you're not allowed to do, like biological warfare or like even the shock things we're talking about? I see things where people were like, dude, we were in a crowd and then they just hit us with this thing that you're not supposed to do.

• 2:15:47Chris Williamson?

  But like, was it Venezuela? Yeah, but what about all that kind of stuff? Venezuela riot and the fucking energy weapon? Jared, this is crazy.

• 2:15:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was wild.

• 2:15:55Speaker 02

  What is it called? Like, is there some sort of like, um, term for it? That where they can like make noise, like shoot noise.

• 2:16:02Speaker 01

  Like a sonic, yeah, there's some term for it.

• 2:16:04Speaker 03

  Weapon of some kind.

• 2:16:05Speaker 02

  But like, what about all that shit? Like that, we, we gotta be ahead of the curve on all that.

• 2:16:08Speaker 03

  And the, and the thing is there'll be a counter for that stuff, just like they're, you know, they're gonna figure out a way to counter these filament drones. Like their, their technology will, yeah, will find a way to defend itself and they'll make another adjustment to that and they'll just keep doing that. So it'd be much more, the, the, the pace of technological advancement is what we'll, what we'll see now in the, in the wars from here on out. You know, in Iraq, when I was in Iraq, like the insurgents would figure out how to put a bomb in the road. And then we'd figure out how to build armor and then they'd figure out how to build a bigger bomb. And then when we started jamming, you know, they were detonating them with, with walkie talkies. And so we figured out how to jam them and then they figured out how to put like pressure plates in the road.

• 2:16:49Speaker 03

  So it's just a technological race, but those, those cycles would take months, you know, four months, three months, six months. But these things are just happening much more rapidly.

• 2:16:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, the bioweapon shit scares me, man. That's like the, I watched the interview with RFK Junior on CNN. Did you see that?

• 2:17:05Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:17:05Speaker 01

  Him and the, I forget the lady's name. They were going at it. It was actually pretty cool to watch, but the, at one point, I could be wrong, but I could have sworn she was like, well, what are you gonna do? The experts say there will be another pandemic in 10 years. And she almost said it like, it's happening. What do you, and I was just like, well, the fuck do you know? Why are you saying, it was almost like, it sounded like she was very certain being like, oh, it's gonna happen.

• 2:17:26Speaker 02

  She thinks she's the Simpsons calling a shot.

• 2:17:28Speaker 01

  This is kind of like, first of all, why, it's weird to be like, oh, there definitely will be another pandemic.

• 2:17:32Speaker 02

  Well, they used to like Hitler and stuff, used to play with bugs and like, like literally like, you do break rules of war. Like you're not allowed to like put diseases in bugs and then release bugs into a field and go, it'll get them. Like there's, there's rules or there's supposed to be rules and that's a long time ago. So I can't, I can't, uh, rule out that there must not be people trying to figure this stuff out.

• 2:17:55Speaker 01

  I would say definitely, yeah.

• 2:17:56Chris Williamson?

  Annie Jacobson.

• 2:17:57Speaker 02

  I want the inside scoop. Come on.

• 2:17:59Chris Williamson?

  Annie Jacobson came on the show and she was talking about biological war. The Russians had developed this weapon that had, you know, you need to think about the incubation period, the mortality, the transmissibility, all of this stuff. And they put one of the side effects of this disease, this infectious disease was euphoria. So people would feel great for about 24 hours and go out dancing, go out partying, want to go and be social, go for dinner, spend time with friends. They'd engineered euphoria into the pathogen.

• 2:18:30Speaker 01

  Oh, so you would go spread it.

• 2:18:32Speaker 03

  Super spreader.

• 2:18:32Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. It would encourage you, cause if you feel sick, then you're in bed and maybe you don't go, and they'd realize, oh, if we make people feel great, they'll spread this even faster. That was, that made still now sort of hairs on my arm. Like it makes me feel so. Have we got the, the fucking energy weapon, Jared? Is this thing?

• 2:18:50Speaker 01

  Also, wouldn't even work on me. If I got that, I'd be like, I'm staying in.

• 2:18:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, I watched Love on the Spectrum.

• 2:18:55Speaker 01

  I'm not going anywhere.

• 2:18:56Speaker 02

  I feel too good to go out.

• 2:19:02Speaker 02

  Right there.

• 2:19:04Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 2:19:06Speaker 05

  Calls are mounting in Serbia for an independent investigation into whether a sonic weapon was used by security forces on people protesting government corruption.

• 2:19:16Speaker 02

  Although it doesn't look like it.

• 2:19:17Speaker 05

  A progressive Serbian opposition party alleged that a sonic weapon.

• 2:19:21Chris Williamson?

  Look at this.

• 2:19:21Speaker 05

  A class not included on the government's list of legal weapons.

• 2:19:24Chris Williamson?

  Totally silent. This was the video.

• 2:19:26Speaker 05

  You see here.

• 2:19:31Chris Williamson?

  Just from nothing. Hmm. Like out of nowhere.

• 2:19:34Speaker 02

  But you'd think that they would go like, uh, or like they would make, they didn't, they kind of just like sensed a panic that something's coming.

• 2:19:39Speaker 03

  And you're right, that panic like in World War One, they had to get control over the guys that would run messages back and forth. Cause if a guy was running from the front line, back to tell his commander what was going on. And like, I go running away and you see me and you're like, oh, Doc was running, you start running, we all just start running away. So there might've been a little bit of that in that scenario.

• 2:19:58Speaker 02

  Also, like it's usually like, if it's really jolting you like that, like you lose, um, you know, bodily fluid, all the stuff. Like you, you'll be seeing someone having a reaction to it is what I'm saying. You piss yourself and be like, what the hell?

• 2:20:09Speaker 01

  I thought they used that, so Venezuela was a country.

• 2:20:12Speaker 02

  Disarming, you know?

• 2:20:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, something happened. I heard, I heard that about Venezuela, that they, one day they're sitting there and the, they just kind of came right in. Or they cut their power, what did they cut their power or something?

• 2:20:21Chris Williamson?

  For the extraction of the euro?

• 2:20:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:20:23Chris Williamson?

  No, I'm speaking to the right guy. Things that you can't say. How much do you get, without saying it, how much do you still get to find out about cool shit that goes on? Like, do you still get to hear some cool shit?

• 2:20:35Speaker 01

  I, I hear.

• 2:20:36Speaker 02

  And how do you hear it? They can't text it to you. They can't text it to you. How do you hear it?

• 2:20:40Speaker 01

  So cool knowing about cool shit.

• 2:20:42Chris Williamson?

  You gotta be in the right WhatsApp chat. You're in the right WhatsApp chat.

• 2:20:43Speaker 02

  That's what I'm saying. It's like, where are they sharing this secret information?

• 2:20:46Chris Williamson?

  He tags that dude. Just gotta fuck into you.

• 2:20:48Speaker 02

  He goes, hey, jump on the CB radio. No one's in here.

• 2:20:51Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:20:52Speaker 01

  Did that really happen? Did we do testosterone for the soldiers? Or I saw that in the headline.

• 2:20:56Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 2:20:57Chris Williamson?

  Can we give soldiers testosterone?

• 2:20:59Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, I think they, that's what they're saying is they're opening it up and, you know, there is, there is a, guys have had problems with this and it's the same. I, you know, the, the TBIs, the traumatic brain injuries, one of the things it impacts is like your ability to, I guess, is it your pineal gland that makes testosterone?

• 2:21:15Chris Williamson?

  Kakao.

• 2:21:16Speaker 03

  Kakao? We get some Kakao and some testosterone. So guys that, guys that have issues with that, they, you know, and plus they're stressed out all the time. They don't get much sleep and all this stuff and it impacts their testosterone. So they're saying they're gonna check them more and give them more testosterone.

• 2:21:32Chris Williamson?

  How many guys that are in special forces do you think are doing it without any, they're not on any pain meds, they're not on any sleep meds, and on any anti-anxiety stuff? Is it rare that someone's not supported in one form or another? Except DJ Shipley there, and he might be an extreme case. But he was explaining he's on 50 tablets a day. He's on uppers to wake him up and downers to get him down and painkillers to stop his pain.

• 2:21:53Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think, I think for someone like DJ who gets on that cycle of you get hurt, right? You don't wanna stop working, so you gotta take something to make the pain go away. So then you start taking something to make the pain go away and the, the pain gets worse because you're not training, you're not, uh, giving any rest. And so now you're doing more stuff to make the pain go away. Well, eventually you go, I need something to get me back to focus because my pain's going away. And so is my, you know, motor skills. So now you're going on something else. So I think that's the cycle that guys can get caught on. But I, you know, I, there's a lot of people that. Don't do anything. You know what I mean? I mean, I never even took Ambien. Like, there was a lot of guys that would take Ambien to sleep. I never took, I never took anything.

• 2:22:33Chris Williamson?

  Just raw dogged your entire military career?

• 2:22:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, and but I don't think, I'm not, I don't think that's as rare as you might think it is. But I will say, when guys get hurt, DJ's got the exact story. Like, a guy gets hurt. No one wants to come out of the game, right? No one wants to come out of the game. So you do whatever you gotta do to stay in the game. And that means you're, the cycle that I just talked about. So that definitely happens. Cause you're, you're in an injury prone job. I mean, you get just the day to day life. Fast roping out of helicopters, landing on this deck of a ship that's going up and down. You know, humping through the desert, carrying buddy, carrying people. Like, it's a day to day grind on your body that is, you know, the bad back, bad shoulders, bad knees, the whole nine yards. And that's happening all the time.

• 2:23:18Speaker 03

  So guys have to do what they want to do, or what they have to do to stay in the game.

• 2:23:22Chris Williamson?

  You imagine if comedy was a sober pursuit? If no one was allowed to use any enhancements?

• 2:23:28Speaker 02

  I know. I think about that a lot, actually. It's like how often we call something cheating. It's like, who cares?

• 2:23:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:23:34Speaker 02

  Like, if you found out that, like, some of the most brilliant minds of the past were using some sort of enhancement or suicide, you wouldn't give a shit. Like, he wrote a great song. Yeah, that was whatever. Same with that, like, people go, uh, cause I know a lot of, like, um, military guys, but then also policemen and fire department who they do steroids or they'll do like testosterone. And I go, good. Want you to be a strong, whatever you think is gonna work, bro. You're not hitting home runs for the Giants, you know? Like, you, you, like, we need you the best you can be, dude. So, yeah, it's like, use it. But also, we should all use it. If you're gonna make better comedy because you smoke pot or you do mushrooms or whatever, then whatever it takes.

• 2:24:12Chris Williamson?

  I think about that with business. You know, business is an untested federation. But no one in the FTSE 100, 500 is going, uh, actually, I need to do a blood test on you because it seems like that CEO wasn't using modafinil and Adderall and testosterone and Ambien to make sure. So people care about sports because it's supposed to be a really fair organization. But in the world of business, which people care about, maybe even more than they care about sports, totally untested. There's this famous clip of Sam Altman from, it's quite a while ago. And somebody's asking him, when he was on his grind at Y Combinator, how, how many hours per day can he be productive? He says, well, if you're taking armadafinil, you know, up to kind of 18 or 20, I suppose.

• 2:24:55Chris Williamson?

  And you think, oh, yeah, I, actually, if you're in some fast paced tech

• 2:25:01Chris Williamson?

  organization, there is no limit. You just do whatever you do and no one's gonna come in and go, this is bad for your health or whatever. You're maximizing shareholder value. Who gives a fuck?

• 2:25:09Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:25:10Chris Williamson?

  And comedy's kinda, comedy's kinda the same. If this makes you perform better, no comic can go, hey, man, your set was good last night, but I'd love to see you do it without weed.

• 2:25:20Speaker 02

  Right?

• 2:25:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, no.

• 2:25:21Speaker 02

  Well, that's why I get so mad about the steroid conversation in baseball. Cause I'm like, let them do it. I would do whatever it took to be the best at comedy. Like, so if there was some way to cheat, take a little injection and I'm now I'm the funniest guy, that affects my money, that affects my reputation. I'm doing, so I get it when baseball players are going, hey, man, I wanna play baseball. I wanna go fight for my country. Like, you, you take what, you're gonna do what you do to stay in the game.

• 2:25:45Chris Williamson?

  It's the thing around military operators. If there's pushback against them being given something that makes them more effective. We are not supposed to be playing within the rules. There are some rules, right? Geneva Convention, outside of those and a couple of other things that your government puts on top of you. It's like, everything should be on the table. Surely, surely, if there's one thing that we can all agree, national security and not dying and killing the other guy. Like, that should be pretty uncontroversial.

• 2:26:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, and it's easy to get caught up in like the short term. Cause look, if I'm not the best I possibly can be right now, then I'm not gonna live, right? So I'm just gonna do whatever I can right now. But I think the long term negative health impacts that they have is like, you don't wanna take these guys who, and just destroy them from a health perspective. So when they're 35, they're just like train wrecks.

• 2:26:33Chris Williamson?

  Trading in their performance today, but like killing them tomorrow.

• 2:26:36Speaker 03

  And there is some to, some element to the fact that, hey, if I'm like on steroids and now I'm on deployment and I go into the field for 24 days, do, do I have no like natural testosterone? Am I just a disaster? You know what I mean?

• 2:26:52Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, I do, in, in my pack, I've got a small cool bag with a couple of ice packs. I can keep my testosterone, make sure that.

• 2:26:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:26:58Speaker 02

  Well, that legless guy brought a cake to Mount Everest.

• 2:27:02Speaker 02

  He can pack some syringes and get a little, come on, what are we talking about? He had candles. 34, get out of here.

• 2:27:10Speaker 01

  But also, it, it depends too, like, is it saying they can have it if they want? Or you're getting like 20 year olds to be like, bro, let's go.

• 2:27:17Speaker 03

  I think they're just testing them.

• 2:27:18Chris Williamson?

  Oh, I think it should be enforced.

• 2:27:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, like fired up.

• 2:27:21Chris Williamson?

  You have to have 1500 nanogram per deciliter of testosterone. And if you don't.

• 2:27:25Speaker 02

  You're not doing your best. You know, we need you at your best.

• 2:27:27Chris Williamson?

  We know that you need to be working hard.

• 2:27:28Speaker 01

  Or just, at that point, it's like, go mech suits.

• 2:27:32Speaker 02

  Go what?

• 2:27:32Speaker 01

  Mech suits. We have like the robotic.

• 2:27:34Speaker 02

  Oh, I like those. I've seen those a lot on movies.

• 2:27:37Chris Williamson?

  That's the alternative.

• 2:27:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, why not?

• 2:27:40Chris Williamson?

  What do you think about psychedelic therapy for PTSD and stuff? DJ's on here talking about Ibogaine and all of this stuff.

• 2:27:48Speaker 03

  I haven't done it. I, I know a lot of guys that have done it and it's been very helpful to them. And I know a smaller number of guys that have done it and it hasn't been helpful. So.

• 2:27:58Chris Williamson?

  Like adverse or just not helpful?

• 2:28:01Speaker 03

  There's been some that have been adverse, but that's a pretty small number compared to the amount. And, and, and I, I believe that the people that have had adverse impact, they didn't do it correctly.

• 2:28:13Chris Williamson?

  They integrate.

• 2:28:13Speaker 03

  They didn't do the, what, yeah, they didn't do the pre-work and the, all that other stuff that you're supposed to do. They just kinda like got after it, you know what I mean? So, yeah, I, I think that's, that can be problematic. Yeah.

• 2:28:29Speaker 03

  So, but yeah, it seems like, and they're doing legislation and everything now to try and make it legal and acceptable and paid for by the VA and all that stuff. So hopefully it's, it's helpful. I mean, like I said, I've known some guys that have, I've known a bunch of guys that have done it. It's been very helpful. So if it helps guys out, yeah, by all means.

• 2:28:47Chris Williamson?

  How many people do you think veterans would be fixed by getting one more tour? I wonder whether it's the missing being a part of it, feeling like they've got something unrequited, or whether it's like a compounding effect over time. You've said that in and around Ramadi was like one of the best times of your life. I wonder whether you ever wished it, fuck, like, if I could just go back for like a couple of weeks.

• 2:29:09Speaker 03

  A hundred percent. Yeah. I mean, everybody would. Well, basically, almost everybody that I know. If you told them, if I sent out a text message to my guys and was like, hey, get your gear together, I would get 97% of the guys like Roger inbound. Like, of course, yeah.

• 2:29:26Chris Williamson?

  Is that another coolest thing?

• 2:29:28Speaker 02

  I love that.

• 2:29:28Chris Williamson?

  That we like evidently selected the right people for the job. You know, like a school teacher that's 20 years retired going, hey, do you wanna come and teach a class? No way. I don't wanna go back in there. Meanwhile, someone that's not been in combat for a little while is like, bro, just give me the call.

• 2:29:44Speaker 03

  We were, uh, we, we got to Ramadi and I sent, I went out with some of my guys to, we were, we were in Western Ramadi and there was real problems in Eastern Ramadi. And we took an element out to Eastern Ramadi for like a week. And it was super gnarly. The living conditions were absolutely terrible. We're living in a bombed out building, dirt floors, like, uh, bugs all over the place. Very, very hot, totally uncomfortable. And then there was real heavy fighting out there. And, you know, a lot of casualties, not with my guys on that particular time. But in this week, there's a lot of casualties, army, Iraqi army. Like, it's very tough region in Ramadi. We get done doing some missions out there, we come back and I'm gonna send out some guys out there permanently.

• 2:30:30Speaker 03

  And I'm talking to the platoon commander, a guy named Seth Stone. I said, hey, you know, you're gonna take some guys out there. And he goes, well, you know, I, I, I don't wanna pick someone cause I don't wanna take guys out there if they don't wanna go. And I said, okay, fair enough. So I walked into our big platoon space and I wrote on the board, you know, hey, going to Camp Corregidor. And I brought the guys and I'm like, hey, I'm gonna send six or seven guys out there permanently. You guys know the deal that we're out there. If you weren't out there, then here's the deal. It's terrible living conditions. The chances of getting wounded or killed is decently high. There's gonna be a lot of operations and I don't know when you're coming back. If you guys want, if you wanna go on that, put your name on the board. And I walked out and I came back 20 minutes later and every single guy's name was on there.

• 2:31:15Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 2:31:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:31:16Speaker 02

  Damn. I love that.

• 2:31:18Speaker 03

  So these are Americans, you know what I mean?

• 2:31:22Chris Williamson?

  That's so sick.

• 2:31:23Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 2:31:24Chris Williamson?

  It's the sickest thing.

• 2:31:25Speaker 02

  Fucking awesome.

• 2:31:26Chris Williamson?

  So cool. Meanwhile, we talk on microphones for a living.

• 2:31:29Speaker 02

  What if there was a guy who did it? You had one guy who just didn't put his name up there. Well, I mean, everyone else was, so I figured I didn't. I figured, I would have, but everyone, uh, some little bitch.

• 2:31:39Speaker 03

  Nope, nope, nope, not, not that crew right there.

• 2:31:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, good.

• 2:31:43Speaker 01

  John Smith.

• 2:31:47Speaker 02

  One guy wrote someone else's name, Matt.

• 2:31:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, that is really nice. When you hear that, you're like, damn, that's awesome.

• 2:31:53Chris Williamson?

  Just chose the right guys for the job.

• 2:31:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:31:55Chris Williamson?

  You know? It's, uh,

• 2:31:59Chris Williamson?

  it's fucking wild. Boys, I appreciate you all. You're all awesome.

• 2:32:01Speaker 02

  Thanks for having me.

• 2:32:02Chris Williamson?

  Anything coming up? Any stuff to push, any things?

• 2:32:05Speaker 03

  Just shows, mattmcusker.com, um, a bunch of stand up shows.

• 2:32:08Speaker 02

  Jeffdie.com, we got a little special coming out soon, but other than that.

• 2:32:11Chris Williamson?

  When's the movie?

• 2:32:12Speaker 03

  Uh, movie, November 25th. Yep, November 25th, global release, yeah. I wrote a bunch of kids books. Kids books have been turned into a movie. It's made by Skydance and it's coming out on Apple. It's starring Chris Pratt.

• 2:32:28Speaker 02

  Nice. Wait, so can you explain it? What do you mean, the kids books are a movie?

• 2:32:32Speaker 03

  The kids books, so I wrote a bunch of kids books and there are a series of kids books. And they turned, basically the first two books, kinda combined them together to make the first movie. Way of the Warrior Kid. Yeah, it comes out November 25th.

• 2:32:43Chris Williamson?

  Trailer.

• 2:32:44Speaker 03

  Have you seen the trailer?

• 2:32:45Chris Williamson?

  You should have seen the trailer. Super secret.

• 2:32:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:32:49Chris Williamson?

  It looks so fucking cool.

• 2:32:51Speaker 03

  It's so good.

• 2:32:52Speaker 02

  For families, for adults, for everybody.

• 2:32:54Speaker 03

  They call it a four quadrant movie, which means everybody in the family, from the kids to the grandparents, will all, and I've seen it, you know, it's, it's so good. I'm so, so super stoked on it.

• 2:33:06Chris Williamson?

  Appreciate you all, boys.

• 2:33:07Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 2:33:08Chris Williamson?

  Thanks for having me.

• 2:33:08Speaker 02

  My beauties.

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