DEI Wars, Trump’s Bible & The Masculinity Vote - Ryan Long

Ryan Long is a comedian, writer, and filmmaker. The world feels like a comedy goldmine right now. From the upcoming election and DEI backlash to bizarre trends like Japanese and Indian fetish porn, P Diddy conspiracy theories, Hawk Tuah memes and Florida men doing Florida man things, obviously we need an expert like Ryan to help make sense of everything. Expect to learn why companies that embraced DEI are rolling back their support, the hottest Google search trends when you type in “my husband wants (blank)“, Japanese men’s recent obsession with tickle porn, Ryan's thought on Kamala and Trump making the rounds on podcasts and much more… - 00:00 Ryan’s Biggest Lesson From Modern Wisdom 05:05 How Type A People Can Be More Creative 14:09 People Follow From the Front 22:12 Companies Figuring Out How Gay To Be 27:36 Right-Wing Vs Left-Wing Commercials 31:25 The YouTube Niche of Breastfeeding Advice 40:16 Why Japanese Men Love Tickling Porn 45:45 Goodhart’s Law of Unintended Consequences 52:29 The Sinister Side of Social Media Algorithms 59:27 Is This Election Crazier Than Usual? 1:04:52 Why Kamala Went on ‘Call Her Daddy’ 1:21:30 Are Podcasters Deciding the Election? 1:27:49 The Different Ways We Signal to Others 1:36:58 Politicians Can Either Be Fun or Righteous 1:40:23 The Grandmother Treatment 1:44:21 How Men & Women Treat Their Thoughts 1:47:36 How Deep is the P-Diddy Rabbit Hole? 1:54:42 Ryan’s Thoughts on the UK 2:01:41 Chris’s Band T-Shirts 2:07:02 Viewing Everything Through the Lens of Club Promoting 2:18:35 Why Mike Israetel Learned Game 2:26:26 The Kid Who is Tracking Andrew Tate 2:28:48 Where to Find Ryan - Get a Free Gift, 5 Free Travel Packs, Free Liquid Vitamin D and more from AG1 at https://drinkag1.com/modernwisdom (automatically applied at checkout) Upgrade your wardrobe and save on True Classic at https://trueclassic.com/modernwisdom (automatically applied at checkout) Get expert bloodwork analysis and bypass Function’s 300,000-person waitlist at https://functionhealth.com/modernwisdom (automatically applied at checkout) Get $5 off your next Magic Spoon order at https://magicspoon.com/modernwisdom (automatically applied at checkout) - Get access to every episode 10 hours before YouTube by subscribing for free on Spotify - https://spoti.fi/2LSimPn or Apple Podcasts - https://apple.co/2MNqIgw Get my free Reading List of 100 life-changing books here - https://chriswillx.com/books/ Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic here - https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom - Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/

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• 0:00Ryan Long?

  Oh, you know what else, Chris?

• 0:01Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 0:01Ryan Long?

  Um, I probably would never do this on a podcast, but I made a couple of notes of things I'm gonna say.

• 0:07Chris Williamson?

  Oh, yeah.

• 0:08Ryan Long?

  Well, because, you know, you're probably one of the most people that you kind of remind me of, you know, some of my like closest friends at home where it's always like trying to get to the bottom of something. You know what I mean? So I felt like I have a good couple of good theories that.

• 0:19Chris Williamson?

  Oh, I fucking love this. You came prepared.

• 0:21Ryan Long?

  Yeah. Also, well, I've, we've talked about this already, but I said, your stuff that you post, a lot of times feels very much directed for me. Like I'm the exact, like, you know, I'm the one target audience.

• 0:33Chris Williamson?

  Being seen. What was the, what was one of the ones that that's happened with?

• 0:36Ryan Long?

  Probably the most ever is, cause the idea that, you know, hard work, you can't always just like hard work your way out of a problem. And I think, you know, you become so accustomed to this is how I, you know, excel over people. And then you're like, well, everyone's talented at a certain level. And then also these problems aren't that. And then on top of that, adding creativity into that is like even worse, right? Because in some, so sometimes stand up, it's like, if it almost feels silly when I'm just like, what might be the work is like, you need to just like, sit there and think.

• 1:10Chris Williamson?

  Yep. Stare at the ceiling for a while.

• 1:13Ryan Long?

  Yeah. You're like, this is crazy, right?

• 1:14Chris Williamson?

  Yep. Yeah.

• 1:15Ryan Long?

  Yeah. So, but you have to, and you're like, well, how do you, like, how do you rationalize all those things of like, I'm trying to work hard, but at the same time, this isn't a problem that just requires more work?

• 1:26Chris Williamson?

  I think creativity is one of these really unique domains that sits outside of like, there's very few problems in life that working harder won't make a bit better some.

• 1:35Ryan Long?

  Yeah.

• 1:36Chris Williamson?

  But one of them.

• 1:37Ryan Long?

  But you've usually, a lot of times you've maxed that out, I guess.

• 1:39Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. You're already foot to the floor, going as hard as you can.

• 1:41Ryan Long?

  Yeah. That's not the issue. You're not like lazy, right?

• 1:43Chris Williamson?

  So I, I've, uh, been trying to write this for ages and I'll see if this makes sense to you. So I've been thinking about, you know, type A people and type B people.

• 1:52Ryan Long?

  Yeah.

• 1:52Chris Williamson?

  So people that are sort of insecure overachievers that work too hard. And then the sort of lazy people that need to get off the couch. Been really trying to sort of work this out. So, uh, type A problems, type B problems. I think type A people have a type B problem and type B people have a type A problem. Insecure overachievers. Need to learn how to chill out and relax and lazy people need to learn how to work harder and be disciplined. Given that you subscribe to me, I'm going to guess you're a type A person, a kind of walking anxiety disorder harnessed for productivity. As Andrew Wilkinson says, type A people get no sympathy because a miserable but outwardly successful person always appears to be in a much more preferential position than a type B person being lazy, but on the verge of bankruptcy.

• 2:33Chris Williamson?

  Goggins and Hormozzi style advice reliably makes everyone more successful in the only way that you can get judged outwardly. But there aren't many issues in life which can't be solved by just working harder a little bit. So everyone just smashes it with a hammer. But for a certain perhaps minority cohort of people, they actually need to hear the opposite. We need like a paras sympathetic Goggins, like hashtag rest harder than me. And that's the creativity piece.

• 2:55Ryan Long?

  I'd probably even go a little further than that where if you are a type A person, you're not going to respond to the idea of like, well, you just need, you just need to be more like, you need a reason.

• 3:06Chris Williamson?

  Chill out.

• 3:07Ryan Long?

  Yeah, you need a reason, you need. So I think, and I think the reason is if you were like to really boil it down. It was that the like, great ideas come from, you know, making connections between things. And you need the, and so a lot of times you're building those like connections in your brain that you could now like use. Whereas a lot of times you're out of connection. So you're kind of, you know what I mean? So your brain, it's not just you need to like rest, it's that you need to, you know, rejig your inputs and like centralize them. Then again, you know, there was kind of a, you know, in this stuff, which I again, I not just keep complimenting you, obviously we're friends, but like I whatever this is you do, I think you're one of the best at.

• 3:46Chris Williamson?

  Thank you.

• 3:47Ryan Long?

  Whatever you call it.

• 3:48Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, fucking talking.

• 3:50Ryan Long?

  But there, there's kind of like,

• 3:54Ryan Long?

  when you're talking about the amount of

• 3:59Ryan Long?

  like connections that you can have. That's why in a lot of ways, like the smartest people aren't good at creativity some ways, I think. So if you talk about, you know, why are, why are like the best comedians in the world? Not just the smartest people. Okay. For example, or the best artists a lot of times. And you know, obviously you could say, well, it's because you know, there's better options available to them and whatever, right? But still though, you know, there'll be, there's people that we probably know mutual friends. They're like, you go, they're two people and you go, this is the smarter one and this is the guy's funnier. So it's not just career wise, right? And I think the reason is, is

• 4:34Ryan Long?

  And a lot of times it sits at, you know, like 120 to 140 IQ or probably like a lot of times top comedians are creative people and you know, there's probably some smaller, less IQ ones, but the reason is at a certain level, the more connections you have in your brain, you need to make shortcuts because it's exponential, right? So if you're 20% smarter or 40% smarter, that's actually not 40% more connections. That's, you know, 8,000 times, however many, maybe, and at that level of connections, it starts to, you know, multiply in a way that you're maybe, that might be millions more connections, right?

• 5:04Chris Williamson?

  What would you say to the type A person listening that wants to become more creative? Like you work hard, even though it might not seem like it from the outside, even though you might seem like you're like sort of just-

• 5:15Ryan Long?

  I think the first step is to understand like whether that actually is the goal.

• 5:19Chris Williamson?

  Do you need to be creative?

• 5:21Ryan Long?

  Yeah, because I think some people probably, you know, think they want to be creative and they're like, well, you actually don't. There's so much like sacrifice for that, you know what I mean? It's like sexier, but it's also less like financially and every other way rewarding in general, you know?

• 5:33Chris Williamson?

  That's interesting. I, I agree with you and I do think that the like hard work, the creativity being sexy because it seems like, I know you're aloof, you're an artist, you know, you're like fucking Salvador Dali with the twirling his mustache. But there's another bit, I think, where everyone prays at the altar of the Goggins, the Jaco, the 4:30 AM kettlebell swings and stuff. And I've never heard any of those guys talk about where they like embrace the muse from. I'm not hearing Jaco talk about like, you know, my creativity spoke down to me from above as I went for a slow walk through a meadow. Like that's not, I'm not hearing that. So I, I think that there is a real place for the conversation about creativity.

• 6:17Chris Williamson?

  Where does sort of artistic inspiration come from? Coming up with solutions that aren't more of the same, but are genuinely novel and different to the problem that you've maybe been facing for ages.

• 6:27Ryan Long?

  Especially when you're talking about content though, because that's the other part about it is like creativity really, for a lot of people that are running businesses where they're putting out tons of content, like, you know, there's that kind of, I think James Algeter had like a really good point about Jim Cramer where he was kind of like- You know, people joke about him being like wrong a lot and they've got the index, but he was like, he was a really good, he was really good at being, you know, a hedge fund manager. And he was like, one of the top guys. It's like, yeah, but you know, Warren Buffett has three ideas a year. You know what I mean? Where it's like, if you gotta have 10 ideas every day, it's like, well, they're not gonna be good or they're gonna be borrowed.

• 7:01Chris Williamson?

  Yep.

• 7:02Ryan Long?

  Which is kind of, you know, like, I think, you know, a lot of times I'll, you know, when I'm doing stand up, I'll be like, okay, let me, I'll spend, you know, maybe two full days, kind of like thinking and I have a lot of systems that I'll do. I'll be like, okay, go through these words and I go through all this stuff, then I kinda, you know, whatever. I have whatever weird systems that I have to do. And I'm like, at the end of that week, if I have like two really good ideas, that's a lot.

• 7:22Chris Williamson?

  It's so cool.

• 7:23Ryan Long?

  And some people are like, oh, I have eight, 80 things to say a day. You're like, well, okay, you didn't make them up.

• 7:28Chris Williamson?

  Yes. They've been adapted by somebody else. They're straight stolen from somebody else. I mean, it's cool in any industry, I think, where you get paid for the quality of your ideas, not the volume of your ideas. So, I mean, I know that you can't just tell one joke and walk off stage. So there is like a volume component. But really what people are looking for, I mean, how long did Rogan's last special, from his, from special to special? It's like six years or something, right? So he does it and obviously.

• 7:53Ryan Long?

  Yeah. It's like a luxury position in some way.

• 7:55Chris Williamson?

  He can do what he wants, but still.

• 7:57Ryan Long?

  I don't even just him. I mean, it's a luxury position in some ways to, yeah, cause it's, I guess to some degree, I kind of have heard people say that, but you're, some of you are like, duh. Yeah, you're obviously rather be paid for my one good idea.

• 8:10Chris Williamson?

  Yes. Yeah. Then.

• 8:11Ryan Long?

  Grinding in the trenches.

• 8:12Chris Williamson?

  Tons of bad ones.

• 8:13Ryan Long?

  But you're like, how do you get there?

• 8:14Chris Williamson?

  Your new special.

• 8:15Ryan Long?

  You have to be insanely leveraged essentially.

• 8:17Chris Williamson?

  Correct. Yeah. So what you're doing is you're looking to get paid for the quality of your ideas, not the quantity of your ideas. And also to have a really good idea give you a huge return, which is the Buffett approach, right? I think it's like, I don't know. I think some absurd amount of his net worth percentage wise has come from like five decisions. It's less than 10 decisions. Coca-Cola was one of them. I think Apple was another one of them, something else, something. And he. Yeah, that's the position.

• 8:44Ryan Long?

  But to go back to your original point then, so now in like people making content and all this stuff, like what is that? You know, the guy running the company, that's who it is. You know what I mean? Who gets paid for his one big decision? Because the other thing you're like, well, yeah, you could like there doesn't exist. The only, you know, when you describe the like artist who kind of exists in terms of like every once in a while, he pops up with one great thing. Those people are all like legacy people that are left over from like, or not left over, they're still around from a different era where it was different.

• 9:15Chris Williamson?

  You think that you need to grind more and sort of?

• 9:17Ryan Long?

  Well, I guess there's like maybe in movie industry or books, there's people that kind of do that, but I don't even need to. It's just like, it's kind of like set up that way right now.

• 9:25Chris Williamson?

  That's a really great point. Yeah.

• 9:27Ryan Long?

  It's just like the game's the game a little bit right now.

• 9:29Chris Williamson?

  That's such a good point. The world really is sort of rewarding the pace that people can pump stuff out at. And obviously, if it's total crap, it doesn't matter. But there's people who are prolific from their volume at like an okay quality, way more than people that are prolific from their quality.

• 9:44Ryan Long?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 9:44Chris Williamson?

  At like a pretty crappy volume.

• 9:46Ryan Long?

  Can your like 90% be really funny?

• 9:47Chris Williamson?

  Yes. Well, there's another, the tension, obviously, between creativity and the quantity of your work is that you need to do quite a lot of reps or publications or tweets or writings or whatever it is, drawings of your thing to be able to determine what's good and what's not.

• 10:04Ryan Long?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 10:05Chris Williamson?

  You have to take tons of shots at goal. I mean, unless you're some savant that was just gifted to play the guitar like a, I don't know, a genius from birth or whatever. But you need to write a ton of songs in order to work out that they're not good. And then you can create something which really is good. And then you can allow the creativity to sort of know, now it speaks through me and I can just be Rick Rubin and like, you know, wear glasses, pop up, do something awesome and fuck off again.

• 10:26Ryan Long?

  Even when you've, you know, that, that kind of, I was thinking of that a lot in terms of like, you know, the Drake, Kendrick Lamar and Kanye West and kind of rappers or musicians that have kind of been around forever, where you, you kind of are like, You know, they were, when you think of like a young virtuoso and why, you know, why is like a young person generally better than an older person at music? And it was like, well, because you're kind of a collection of a culture that you were like a part of, you know, in the start. When you were in grades six or whatever, you're part of that music. So it's like, you were a part of it, right? After you're older, it's, you know, you're not going to be very much a part of music culture. You're not going to be have like, you know, you see the like intricacy of the fashion. You can kind of like study and analyze it, but you didn't like feel it.

• 11:06Ryan Long?

  So I think every, when you talk about them being virtuoso, yeah, the actual technical component, but the impact on culture component, it kind of feels like they have, uh, you know, there's you, you're saying like, oh, uh, you know, they just had it in them, but it's like, well, not really. They were like, came up at a time and they like processed that in a way to spit it out. And they were able to be like part of what's happening next. But then how do they do it again? It was kind of like, they almost just watch what's happening with the new one. And then they go and sort of like pretend they're part of it.

• 11:40Chris Williamson?

  That's a really good.

• 11:40Ryan Long?

  That's why you have it now. They, now I have an autotune album. Now I have this, now.

• 11:44Chris Williamson?

  Well, I suppose the first album can be groundbreaking and super interesting, but by album four, are you reinventing it each time? No, it's the new people that are inventing something completely orthogonal. And then you're repurposing what comes off that. Did you see that story that I found about Kanye West when he was writing, what was it? Betray the throne, enter the throne? What was his fucking big album? Something the throne, anyway. So Kanye was writing, writing.

• 12:09Ryan Long?

  And graduation?

• 12:10Chris Williamson?

  No, uh, he was writing one of his, uh, one of his big albums and apparently some guy went in to sit down and, and just watch him work in the studio. And he had Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen in the studio with him. The fuck are Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen doing here? Kanye just turned around quick to flash and went, they're my thermometer for what white girls like.

• 12:33Chris Williamson?

  Like, true story. Fucking wild. Um, but yeah, like even then, you have this guy who's super competent and, and has got this sort of illustrious history and some questionable politics. And he is still outsourced. He's got this, you know, somebody in there that acts as like a finger on the pulse of.

• 12:52Ryan Long?

  Yeah, you become like a good barometer for where things are going.

• 12:55Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 12:55Ryan Long?

  But like, you weren't actually part of it, because it's not possible.

• 13:00Chris Williamson?

  Correct.

• 13:00Ryan Long?

  Yeah. So I've kind of feel like I try to have a grasp on those things. So then they become not something that, because things can like piss you off where you're just, you know, for example, like the content thing, you're like, what, the fact that that's the way the game is, or, you know, the fact that I feel like a lot of these things can start to irritate you, because it maybe isn't the way you want it to be. But if you, then you just become agnostic to things that are just, well, that's how it is.

• 13:23Chris Williamson?

  Well, I understand that, like, you can start to hate the game that you're being made to play, even though you sort of didn't want to do. Or you, you get resentful about the fact, why is it like this? Why couldn't it be, you know, back in the fucking eighties, when I could take all this time and I didn't have to create all of this stuff? I could spend fucking three weeks walking through a meadow, coming up with an idea with Jocko. And I get it. But, uh, you're right. I, I think that working out a way to sort of, all right, this is the price of doing business at the moment.

• 13:49Ryan Long?

  Yeah.

• 13:49Chris Williamson?

  It's just the, the entry cost to being in the world at this time. And look at all of the advantages where I can frictionlessly post some awesome that, you know, reaches a few million people. Uh, but on the flip side of that, I'm going to have to be a bit of a like content.

• 14:02Ryan Long?

  And then also, if you, if you can address it, you're like, well, how do I now react to it? You know what I mean?

• 14:07Chris Williamson?

  Yes, and call it out.

• 14:08Ryan Long?

  I was kind of thinking about, so if you look at, uh, there's kind of, you know, there's different times in culture where, you know, certain times where it's like, you know, probably like five years ago, there's a lot of things couldn't, it was hard to say things, you know what I mean? And it was very tense. And there was a, you know, kind of a lot of like truths to be said that weren't, you know, part of the public discourse. And then now it's kind of like, all the stuff's been said.

• 14:32Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 14:32Ryan Long?

  You know what I mean? And I was kind of thinking that, um, if you look at what's, you know, a lot of people on the, in culture are right now, it's following from the front, if that makes sense, where they're, they're really like following. But if you think of like a mob of people. Because you know, if to some degree, there's, you know, the media is being like, okay, we care about this now, we care about this now. But to some degree, it is a little organic of whether, you know, whether, you know, this group of people likes this candidate or we care about this, right? There is like organic directions of what, you know, movements go in. And then it's kind of about people are like in the people that like were leaders of the last one. It's like them running around trying to catch up and act like they were leading.

• 15:14Chris Williamson?

  Hmm.

• 15:15Ryan Long?

  You know what I mean? So it's almost like people acting like they're leading groups of people.

• 15:19Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 15:19Ryan Long?

  But really, it just kind of went there and then they they kind of run and then they go back. They go, oh, yeah, we care about this now. And then you, I mean, I could think of like 20 examples, but there's so many people that they're they're following from the front louder.

• 15:31Chris Williamson?

  That's a really fucking good insight that I hadn't considered, but you're right. It's a, it's the exact same good example, uh, might be in Pride Month every year where the organizations change their flags, Mercedes and Xbox and fucking Nike or whatever, change to a pride flag. But they only change to pride flags in countries where gender like sexual orientation equality has already been reached.

• 15:58Ryan Long?

  Yeah, of course.

• 15:58Chris Williamson?

  And in the Middle East, where it actually needs to be, work needs to be done on it, though it's still the same. There's no change made at all. So that would be an example of like following from the front where we're going to stake our claim and put the flag in the ground right here.

• 16:13Ryan Long?

  Yeah, we're acting like we're leaders of this movement.

• 16:15Chris Williamson?

  It's already been, this has already been one. The place where it needs to be done is the place where you're like, zup.

• 16:21Ryan Long?

  Yeah, it definitely happens a lot in that kind of, you know, that, that, uh, you know, media activism space. But you all, it happens in everywhere. Yeah, you'll see, you know, like you'll watch like the right wing movement of like, what, what's the thing they're all talking about now, right? And and then someone will be kind of, you know, out front being like, you know, leading the flag. And you're just like, you didn't talk about this two years ago. And and it's like, well, why? It's like, well, you didn't lead them here, but you acting like you did.

• 16:47Chris Williamson?

  The like full horseshoe fucking infinity loop of the Bud Light conversation has been pretty interesting. I got in, I got in so much fucking, I got so much stick from people when I said, all right, I get it, you know, Dylan Mulvaney, should she have, he have got a fucking six pack of Bud Lights with the face on it, probably bad move from a marketing department, but really, does this mean that Bud Light is infused to its very core with woke progressive ideals that show that they're the anti-American communist country that you, company that you always knew they were? Is that really the case? Or is it probably just some person, some intern somewhere that decided to do one thing?

• 17:28Chris Williamson?

  And the right is always the, we mustn't cancel people for one small slip up. That seems like way too judgmental. This person didn't mean to say that. And you go, you're not extending the same luxury, the same sort of charity to this other side. And then I got shit for that. And then fucking a Post Malone and Shane Gillis sponsorship later, everyone on the right now, fucking what's his face, the guy that shot it up with the 50.

• 17:54Ryan Long?

  Bud Light did a pretty good job of making the comeback.

• 17:56Chris Williamson?

  They fucking fully like just fixed everything. They human centipeded everybody. And you're like, oh, okay. So like somehow everyone's asshole is in everybody else's mouth and it just sort of loops all the way around. So stuff like that, it's like people are so prepared to even the outrage is like circular. They're prepared to be at the front of, well, actually being gracious with Bud Light, that's the position that we should take. How many people are still holding their feet to the fine now? No one.

• 18:22Ryan Long?

  Well, yeah, there's almost like a hundred things going on at once with the Bud Light thing, which you're right, it is a pretty good like case study of everything. Cause I guess there was one part where, you know, the principle, there's, there's always kind of an argument to, or like between, hey, are we trying to win or are we trying to, you know, have principles? And those things are almost always like go against each other. You know what I mean? Like in any political movement, it's kind of like, are we trying to win? Then you're like, I mean, with political movements, it's always kind of like. That's why they they get sort of hijacked by cynical actors always because you know, there's always just a bunch of energy there and then someone can take it and be like, well,

• 19:02Ryan Long?

  I have some goal here. And then I guess, so I don't think anyone was specifically outraged with Bud Light as much as they're like, well, here's the poster child.

• 19:11Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 19:11Ryan Long?

  And then I think there's like a rationalization where you can say where, well, they aren't going to realize what it's like unless we do it back to them. And you know, you, that can go on forever. But

• 19:20Chris Williamson?

  Yes. Yeah, I asked.

• 19:22Ryan Long?

  But you go, you're not, you're not a political actor, like you're not running for office, you're not running a political movement. So you're like, why do I have to pretend I care?

• 19:29Chris Williamson?

  Yes. Well, I, I asked.

• 19:31Ryan Long?

  You're, you're, sorry, I dropped again. You're your normal buddy. It's one thing you go, I get your thing. You have a whole channel, like telling people how to vote or whatever, but you, your normal person being like, don't, you don't get sucked in.

• 19:41Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. You don't need to be complicit as a normal dude on the street. You have enough stuff to worry about. There's a fuck.

• 19:46Ryan Long?

  Yeah, don't get sucked into their bullshit.

• 19:48Chris Williamson?

  There's a hurricane outside. I asked Jeremy Boring, who's the CEO of Daily Wire, and I asked Shapiro this as well. It's like, maybe similar to your leading following from the front thing. It's like a lot of what the platform of right wing sort of commentary has been over the last six years, seven years or so, has very much been anti-woke. And that discovered it's been like reactionary. Here is a crazy new flag that's got 55 different colors. And here is a person that got jailed for bird scootering over a crosswalk that was put down with the pride flag on it and all the rest of it. That very much was the position. But I think you're right. Over the last five years ago or so, the things that you couldn't

• 20:31Chris Williamson?

  say, largely now, most people are saying, most people, I think, were past peak woke, were very.

• 20:37Ryan Long?

  Yeah, yeah, that stuff's.

• 20:38Chris Williamson?

  It's kind of gone. But I was like, okay, so given that you guys have made so much of your platform off the back of this, are you worried that when most people probably agree with this?

• 20:47Ryan Long?

  I think there'll always be a space for just being like a meat and potatoes conservative commentator. You know what I mean? I think you look at some of those guys where you're just like, what's that guy been? You know, I don't know. Like, what's the guy? Like, I don't know. I think not him, but like the Rush Limbaugh, the Glenn Beck's of the world. You're like, oh yeah, remember that guy? You're like, remember that guy? He got four million viewers every morning, seven hours.

• 21:08Chris Williamson?

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• 21:52Chris Williamson?

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• 22:25Ryan Long?

  Yeah, there was a, there was a pretty good, there was a pretty good rip there where it was like companies were having a hard time finding the perfect amount of gay to be.

• 22:35Chris Williamson?

  I've found on that, I did a little bit of research, Toyota won't sponsor pride events following backlash from an anti-woke mob. So Pink News, which I think is like a gay website, in a memo sent to 50,000 US employees and more than 1,500 dealerships, the company said the decision follows a highly politicized discussion around business commitments to DEI, not sporting festivals and parades. According to Bloomberg, they're not participating in some other stuff and DEI and all of that. They're stopping all of that. Anyway, so I did a bit more digging and it turns out that there's a lot of companies that are sort of quietly rolling back their DEI efforts. And yeah, Pink News has a big problem with this, but

• 23:14Ryan Long?

  I can't imagine Pink News loves it.

• 23:17Chris Williamson?

  The choice. Of companies that they were getting outraged about rolling back their DEI efforts. This is the best list. So

• 23:25Ryan Long?

  This is a list of not gay enough?

• 23:27Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, this is the list of not was too gay for their customers. Now not gay enough for pink news, but they highlighted that they could have done it and they're in real shit. Okay, so this is a list of companies who have rolled back their DEI efforts because of right wing pressure and are not providing an inclusive working environment. John Deere, the tractor manufacturer.

• 23:47Ryan Long?

  I remember the John Deere hustle bustle.

• 23:50Chris Williamson?

  Jack Daniels, Harley Davidson, Ford, Lowe's, Molson Coors, and Stanley Black and Decker. I'm like, you couldn't have picked a list of less gay companies to be angry about the

• 24:07Ryan Long?

  I think Harley Davidson was actually doing some stuff.

• 24:10Chris Williamson?

  What were they doing?

• 24:11Ryan Long?

  I don't know exactly, but I think they were just

• 24:15Ryan Long?

  it all, a lot of it is kind of that there was a moment where, you know, if you look at it like stocks, right? There was a moment where there was like an arbitrage opportunity where a lot of these companies were like, you know, we can make money by pander into this bullshit. It's an easy way to get clicks. The problem is if you stay in those waters for too long, before you know it, you have actual people in your company that believe it. Whereas like, you know, at the top, you're just like, oh, this is, yeah, okay. This is what you do to get press or whatever, and they probably don't give two shits. And then, yeah, but if you're in that for four years, you have turnover nets. Like now you have 35% of the people and also you have to, you have to sell the bullshit to the company.

• 24:50Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 24:50Ryan Long?

  And then you're like, well, guess what? Now they all believe it. So you can't, when it's, when it's no longer an arbitrage opportunity.

• 24:56Chris Williamson?

  It's no longer cool. You've got to, you've got this like a fucking

• 24:59Ryan Long?

  There's no value in it like monetarily for a company. Well, now what do you do? How do you, how do you back out of it?

• 25:05Chris Williamson?

  It just blows my mind that those were the, this was like the vanguard of the issue of we can't believe that these companies aren't supporting LGBTQ rights. I'm like, John Deere? Really? Is that the tip of the spear?

• 25:20Ryan Long?

  They probably had, you know, a lot of these companies, I've seen this a lot in television. Like I've, you know, worked in television a lot where it's like, there's, and especially you'll talk To, you know, a lot of people that are higher up and they're like, you know, we're not about this life, but they, you know, they kind of hired some hip new marketing team and the marketing team's like, this is what you do. You post all this stuff and they're kind of right at that time. They're like, if you want to get a lot of clicks. And now I think people have a little bit of a difference between like, what's a good click and a bad click, you know what I mean? Whereas before you're like, hey, I did your ad campaign. It has 18 million views and you go, well, if you look under, you'll see that that's most people saying they hate us.

• 25:55Chris Williamson?

  Well, I wonder if, uh, if the Bud Light thing has kind of highlighted to companies that caving into pressure that they're then going to have to go back on. I think Gillette is still kind of out in the wings. I don't think.

• 26:08Ryan Long?

  Yeah. Caving into pressures, being generous, because I would say it is like, you know, being vultures trying to, you know, be able to cash in on this like little energy that's in this social movement.

• 26:18Chris Williamson?

  Sort of, um, predestining.

• 26:20Ryan Long?

  Yeah, I don't, I don't think they're innocent in this.

• 26:22Chris Williamson?

  Right.

• 26:22Ryan Long?

  I think it was like, you know, I mean, we have people and you're in this industry. I'm sure you see all the time where, you know, like some, like something is like a trend and there's people that sort of like address the trend, but stay themselves. And then there's certain people that are trying to like really cash it in and you can see that.

• 26:39Chris Williamson?

  I'm just waiting for Russia to do its $10 million check.

• 26:42Ryan Long?

  Yeah.

• 26:43Chris Williamson?

  I'm still fucking dude, tenant media, where are you at? Come, come pay me. I thought Lauren Chen had my number. Um, but yeah, I, it's, I, this is, I spoke about this on the show a couple of weeks ago. We got this email through just the general contact form on the, on my website that said, um, we want to pitch this person to come on the show and we're willing to pay a six figure sum to bring them on. And, uh, the topics that we would like to discuss and the fucking list of topics were all like oil prices in the Middle East. Um, this is some Saudi deep state conspiracy bullshit. And, uh, yeah, it's funny, it's funny, man.

• 27:22Ryan Long?

  I mean, that would, you know what? That would be funny though. If, if you ever want to do it is have those people on and then allow us to do like a prank show thing with them. Like have the people on that are paying a hundred grand and they give their hundred grand back after, but like have them in and like prank them where we're not doing any of the stuff.

• 27:36Chris Williamson?

  Have you been watching, who's that guy? Uh, no cap on God?

• 27:39Ryan Long?

  Yeah, I know that guy.

• 27:40Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. Fuck me. He is so good at what he does. I mean, you have this like on street thing. I can't do it. My cringe meter, my British cringe meter just goes through the roof even second.

• 27:51Ryan Long?

  It's very British.

• 27:52Chris Williamson?

  It is. Thank you. It's very prim and proper, but. It goes through the roof watching you do your thing. Where, what was it that you were, you were walking through Times Square asking people to donate money to Trump's legal fund?

• 28:06Ryan Long?

  Oh, I had a while where I was, I had a bunch of different like funds I was getting people to donate to. I tried to get the, I want to do one where I was like, did Alex Jones legal fund? Then I did Trump's legal fund and then I did Tucker Carlson was making a doc, Hillary and liberal lies. And I was asking, but the Trump one, yeah, the Trump one, I was telling people in New York, I said that they have a chance, they get entered into a raffle to win a chance to go to lunch with Baron Trump.

• 28:31Ryan Long?

  And she goes, I would never want to go to lunch with Baron Trump. I'm like, well, it's not a guarantee you're going to win.

• 28:41Ryan Long?

  It's so funny.

• 28:45Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 28:46Ryan Long?

  I think you're getting ahead of yourself.

• 28:48Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, it's not guaranteed. Those on street interviews are, for me, like, I, I love watching them, but I can't, I can't deal with them. And the dude from No Cap on God, Lionel, Lionel, I think is his name, is fucking sweet. Did you see that Trump had his own line of bibles? Do you see this?

• 29:07Ryan Long?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's got a lot of fucking wacky stuff.

• 29:10Chris Williamson?

  He's got, he's got it all.

• 29:11Ryan Long?

  Shoes, bibles.

• 29:12Chris Williamson?

  It turns out that Trump's God Bless the USA bibles were made in China.

• 29:18Chris Williamson?

  The official bibles of Donald Trump were printed in China, it has been revealed. Thousands of copies of his God Bless the USA bible printed in a country that the former president has repeatedly accused of sealing American jobs. Trump never said where they were printed or what they cost. A copy hand signed by the former president sells for a thousand dollars. So, yeah, look, maybe they, maybe you could offer one of the signed bibles as well. Probably guarantee that.

• 29:43Ryan Long?

  Dude, that was, I've actually been talking about this on stage a bit, that it is funny to me that Fox News can't get good commercials, so they just have to sell junk to old people. And Rumble has that a little bit, but you know, Fox, CNN is always like, you know, McDonald's and the most multicultural family of all time, just enjoying a bag of Doritos, as in combos you don't even see, like Asian guy, black woman, Indian son.

• 30:07Ryan Long?

  No stereotypes in this house. The Asian and the woman are both really good drivers. Shit you never see, right? And then you go to Fox News, they're like, "Rise up patriots, this is, this is a shrapnel of 9/11 that is made into a bucket of Trump's cum, but you know, this is a scab off Ronald Reagan's arm when he was..." But it's just like, there was one where, oh, this is what I was, this is what made me start, I think I was, I can't remember if it was Rumble or Fox or whatever, but I was watching something and it started out, the ad just pops up and I actually burst out laughing where it goes, "Sleepy Joe doesn't want you to see this."

• 30:47Ryan Long?

  It's like a coin or something.

• 30:52Ryan Long?

  Just out of the blue, "Sleepy Joe doesn't want you to see this." I was dying. This is the funniest thing I've ever seen.

• 30:59Chris Williamson?

  That is good. You are right. The, like, right-wing adverts versus left-wing adverts. Have you done a sketch?

• 31:03Ryan Long?

  I did a sketch a while ago and they did, and like a lot of the things have happened because I said they were selling Patriot water.

• 31:10Chris Williamson?

  Oh, fuck. Yeah, there is actually, what's it called? Like Patriot 2O or some shit?

• 31:14Ryan Long?

  Yeah, the only thing they haven't done is Patriot air, which is like air for patriot.

• 31:19Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, yeah. There's no immigrants have breathed this air in.

• 31:22Ryan Long?

  It's a good air.

• 31:23Chris Williamson?

  Fucking hell. The other, the other thing from your special that we need to talk about, you taught me that there is a YouTube niche of breastfeeding advice. And I didn't even know that this was a thing. I, I mean, I guess that you need advice for everything.

• 31:40Ryan Long?

  I wish I didn't know it was a thing, buddy. I hope you, I hope you're not in the situation I am because the problem with the algorithms, and this is, I've been saying this with, you know, I, I got on disability TikTok, right? Which is, what do you jerk off to? So there's this guy, he just like rolls around, he's got no arms and legs and there's like a bunch of them, right? And, and he's, this guy's, you're laughing, the guy's crushing, he's probably a bazillionaire right now. Rolling into a bag of money, right? But...

• 32:10Ryan Long?

  The thing is, the algorithm, it's so wild because you don't ask for it, but you know, if you were, I said, if you were walking around the street and there was a guy rolling around on this floor or like taking a shit in the alley, like, of course you would look more than you would just look at a normal person. And then the algorithm's like, oh, that's your shit, huh? So it's like, that's, that's all you get now. So if you walk, like, so now when I see any freak show content, I try to scroll as fast as I can. But I guess they got me with the breastfeeding.

• 32:41Ryan Long?

  They kept just, dude, it's a literal, like, you know, OnlyFans chick, just sitting there, you know, fake babe. Oh, I don't know if you, I didn't mention that part in the special. They got fake babies too. So basically it's a loophole that you can be nude on Instagram if it's breastfeeding content.

• 32:55Chris Williamson?

  Okay, even if it's not a real child?

• 32:57Ryan Long?

  Well, I don't know the logistics of the real or fake child, because maybe you could say it's, you know, they're, it's educational.

• 33:02Chris Williamson?

  Practicing, it's a practice child.

• 33:03Ryan Long?

  Yeah. And, you know, and they say it's for new mothers. That's why my, my special, I'm just like, yeah, it's 10,000 new mothers that's who's watching this. But, so they have basically fake babies now. And then they, they're feeding this to me, man. I'm the demo that, I don't watch it anymore. They keep giving it to me. Like, you did that one time, though. You love it.

• 33:23Chris Williamson?

  Well, it's funny to look at whether or not it, it was like them activating a secret thing that you actually did want in the back of your mind.

• 33:29Ryan Long?

  What, tits?

• 33:30Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 33:30Ryan Long?

  Well, you're fucking zany me. I, I, if I'm seeing a full out pair of tits on my timeline and I, I scroll a little slower, fucking wacko.

• 33:40Chris Williamson?

  I remember, I remember reading the TikTok Terms of Service thing that was in some news article, and they were talking about how the app is allowed to use the front facing camera to detect micro expressions.

• 33:52Ryan Long?

  How would it?

• 33:54Chris Williamson?

  They must have mapped the way that your face moves and then it's watching you looking and you see some of the, the breastfeeding.

• 34:00Ryan Long?

  Oh, so you go like that?

• 34:02Chris Williamson?

  Well, yeah, but that's a reaction, right? So maybe that's good, maybe that's bad. I'm sure they've like matched the, the micro expression to breastfeed, fake breastfeeding porn, real breastfeeding porn to a fake baby, I guess, technically.

• 34:14Ryan Long?

  I mean, yeah, whatever. You hacked the system. You figured out how to be nude on the internet to get people to subscribe to your things. And get views. It's probably good, but yeah, the problem is now the algorithm is just the whole thing's based on, did you look at it for longer than you looked at the last thing?

• 34:28Chris Williamson?

  This is now your thing. Hey, guess what? This is, this is your entire identity.

• 34:32Ryan Long?

  Yeah. And well, that's, you know, it's one thing to be like, you know, you, you tricked me into having an algorithm full of boobs. It's a whole nother thing to be like, you tricked me in having a whole algorithm full of like guys whose faces are burned off.

• 34:44Chris Williamson?

  Right. Or rolling a quadriplegic bags of money.

• 34:48Ryan Long?

  You know what? I tried, I tried to hack my algorithm where I went and just, so my, I, my Facebook and my boys cast page. So I only scroll through those and I, I loaded my thing up and I watched like only horse hoof tutorials. So now, so now.

• 35:03Chris Williamson?

  Thinks you're a rancher. And what are you still getting delivered all of the?

• 35:07Ryan Long?

  That's the majority of what I get now. I have like favorite hoof guys now and stuff like that.

• 35:14Ryan Long?

  Like I have, I, I literally like watch hoof content of a guy just cleaning off and I'll be like, guys missing a spot.

• 35:21Ryan Long?

  Nate, the hoof guy would never miss that.

• 35:22Chris Williamson?

  Exactly. He's nowhere near as good as Dry Creek Dwayne.

• 35:25Ryan Long?

  And then I got into horseshoes too. So I got, I got horses, cows hoof. So that's all I get right now. And actually life's been better.

• 35:31Chris Williamson?

  Right. Ever since I pivoted from watching breastfeeding content to horse hoof cleaning content.

• 35:36Ryan Long?

  Yeah.

• 35:37Chris Williamson?

  Everything's gone right. So, uh, I wanted to teach you about this book that I read a couple of years ago. The number one Google search in India that starts with the sentence, my husband wants, dot, dot, dot is my husband wants me to breastfeed him. So porn featuring adult breastfeeding is higher in India than anywhere else in the world.

• 35:58Ryan Long?

  Why is that?

• 35:59Chris Williamson?

  In just about every country, nearly all Google searches looking for advice on breastfeeding is how to breastfeed a baby. In India, Google searches looking for breastfeeding advice are equally split between how to breastfeed a baby and how to breastfeed your husband.

• 36:14Ryan Long?

  So, I mean, it has to be, I know a guy who's into this. Uh, have you met my buddy JJ? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

• 36:25Chris Williamson?

  Is he Indian?

• 36:25Ryan Long?

  Uh, no.

• 36:26Chris Williamson?

  He should be.

• 36:27Ryan Long?

  Yeah, but it's, they have some messed up thing. He's got a, you know, overbearing Jewish mother that he's frigging messed up.

• 36:33Chris Williamson?

  Right, that he's got a fucking Oedipus complex.

• 36:35Ryan Long?

  So Indian dudes, where I grew, I grew up in like right around Toronto, which is like huge Indian population. So a lot of people where I grew up with are Indian, I have relatives that are Indian. And, uh, they do have a culture of a bit of an overbearing mother, I think. So India, especially like the boys are very like the golden child to the mom. So, you know, to some degree.

• 36:56Chris Williamson?

  It'll be babied later in life as well.

• 36:58Ryan Long?

  It's gotta be related to, you know, obviously that has something to do with mom shit, right?

• 37:02Chris Williamson?

  Mm hmm.

• 37:03Ryan Long?

  And maybe it's something to do with, like, I think Indian people have that same, like, overbearing Jewish mother, like an overbearing Jew, Indian mother.

• 37:08Chris Williamson?

  I wonder why it's not, I don't know how much sort of Jew breastfeeding.

• 37:11Ryan Long?

  You're always gonna get hurt real bad.

• 37:14Chris Williamson?

  I don't know how much Jew breastfeeding porn there is.

• 37:18Chris Williamson?

  Definitely not between the hours of whatever it is, 6pm on a Friday. So this HuffPost person that was doing this.

• 37:22Ryan Long?

  Well, then you know why the Jewish people do it.

• 37:24Chris Williamson?

  Why?

• 37:25Ryan Long?

  Well, because milk's free.

• 37:28Chris Williamson?

  You're awful.

• 37:30Ryan Long?

  Excellent.

• 37:30Chris Williamson?

  You're awful. Uh, so this HuffPost person, uh, put a search in, uh, put, uh, searched, my husband wants me. Top searches that came up, my husband wants me to breastfeed him. My husband wants me to abort our first baby. My husband wants me to sleep with other men. My husband wants me to.

• 37:48Ryan Long?

  Wow.

• 37:48Chris Williamson?

  My husband wants me to quit my job. And then a conservative person did it at HuffPost. My husband wants divorce, breast milk, oral all the time, me to breastfeed him. Like, this breastfeeding stuff's real.

• 38:01Ryan Long?

  Oral all the time's not that crazy, I guess.

• 38:03Chris Williamson?

  But that's, that, that came in as like third.

• 38:05Ryan Long?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 38:06Chris Williamson?

  After divorce and breast milk. It didn't even appear for the liberal person either.

• 38:10Ryan Long?

  What's your theory as to why?

• 38:12Chris Williamson?

  I don't know, the Indian things really, I wondered whether it was maybe something to do with the sacredness.

• 38:16Ryan Long?

  You're from London, London's super high Indian population, similar.

• 38:19Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, the whole UK is, uh, pretty high sort of subcontinental stuff. But I, I wondered whether it was something to do with like cows, cow milk, the sacredness of cows.

• 38:28Ryan Long?

  Saying their mom's fat.

• 38:34Chris Williamson?

  I thought it might be some-

• 38:35Ryan Long?

  You think it's the sacredness of cows? No, you're, that's not it.

• 38:38Chris Williamson?

  No, evidently not. No, you've got to have a more sophisticated fucking thought process. I don't know. I don't know what's going on. Ask JJ. I'm sure he might be-

• 38:45Ryan Long?

  I'm telling you, it's messed up mother stuff.

• 38:47Chris Williamson?

  Okay. And what's it, all of India, overbearing mothers just across the entire country?

• 38:51Ryan Long?

  Well, not every, I mean, a lot of Indians, so I don't know if all of them are on the, on the breastfeed searches.

• 38:57Chris Williamson?

  Well, it's an equal-

• 38:57Ryan Long?

  I'll tell you another thing. Okay. This is my other theory.

• 39:02Ryan Long?

  That's like, you know, that's like being into feet, like one above that in a sense where it's like, it's not, I'm not, maybe I'm not that crazy yet. You know what I mean? In their mind, they're like, this is like, I'm fucking this kinky dude, but it's, it's, you haven't fully crossed over into, you know, the craziest stuff. So maybe this is like a trans-

• 39:21Chris Williamson?

  Dead animal necrophilia.

• 39:23Ryan Long?

  Yeah, maybe that's one of those things where it's like India's getting into breastfeeding stuff and you're just like, oh yeah, that was America 25 years ago.

• 39:30Chris Williamson?

  Are you saying, are you saying that it's a gateway drug?

• 39:33Ryan Long?

  That's what I'm, that's my hypothesis.

• 39:35Chris Williamson?

  Breastfeeding porn is a gateway drug into much more hardcore.

• 39:38Ryan Long?

  Yeah, this might be like a transitional period. You go, you check in on India seven years from now. You're like, that's not even in the top, it's not even crack in the top 20.

• 39:45Chris Williamson?

  It's like, uh, when they, they look at chimpanzees and stuff and they say, it seems like chimpanzees are beginning to first use tools. And but it's like, oh my God, I'm watching them evolve in front of my eyes. And it's the same thing, but with like degenerate porn for Indian people.

• 39:57Ryan Long?

  Yeah, exactly. This might be a transitionary step, but I think it's also a transitionary step because of the mother stuff.

• 40:03Chris Williamson?

  Right. I wonder what we're gonna see in a few decades' time. And we're gonna be like, like sedimentary rock. We can just track the Pornhub searches of all of the, like, everybody across the world and see who's out front. That being said, uh, Japanese men

• 40:19Chris Williamson?

  have recently become obsessed with tickling porn. More than 10% of Pornhub searches for young Japanese men are for tickling.

• 40:25Ryan Long?

  That one, I really don't have a, I don't know Japanese guys. I know Indian people pretty well. I don't know the Japanese as well.

• 40:31Chris Williamson?

  They want to be tickled. That's all you need to know.

• 40:34Ryan Long?

  I mean, if I was to guess, um,

• 40:38Ryan Long?

  this is completely out of nowhere.

• 40:40Chris Williamson?

  What? You're saying that this isn't a well researched opinion that you're about to put in front of us to back by data?

• 40:44Ryan Long?

  I'm on the money.

• 40:47Ryan Long?

  I feel like I'm tapped into the Indian culture.

• 40:50Chris Williamson?

  Okay.

• 40:51Ryan Long?

  Japanese stuff, my guess would be that Japanese culture is very childlike. You know, it's like, if you look at all the, you know, they have the girls where it's hot and they're basically like dressed like, you know.

• 41:02Chris Williamson?

  Schoolgirls.

• 41:02Ryan Long?

  Yeah, it's schoolgirls, like the anime kids stuff. So if you think of, you know, that stuff being very popular.

• 41:09Chris Williamson?

  Oh, it's like babying.

• 41:10Ryan Long?

  Tickling is very cartoony.

• 41:12Chris Williamson?

  Ah, I think you might be onto something there. That wasn't total dog shit. That was.

• 41:16Ryan Long?

  Yeah, that has, if I was to make a connection between two things, it's the childlike, you know, fashion stuff versus, uh, you know, that stuff, you know, you do, you do change your, you know, like, you ever watched like a, a movie about like, you know,

• 41:35Ryan Long?

  and like a place that's all not white people and, you know, whether that be like Asian or, you know, and then you leave that, like, let's say you watched the whole thing about fucking Jamaica or something, you leave that kind of being like, like, I think I'm into black girls. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it does change your, whatever you're around obviously changes like.

• 41:52Chris Williamson?

  You're saying that you've got this like proximity, like impact on what you're attracted to.

• 41:58Ryan Long?

  Well, that's for sure true. It's just the extent of which each person is, you know, that's just a nature nurture conversation, right? And for every person, that's whatever percentage, but what chicks are into is for sure nature nurture. There's gotta be a split, right?

• 42:10Chris Williamson?

  Yes. Well, I mean, you can't be into something.

• 42:12Ryan Long?

  So if you're always just, you know, surrounded by like all of the imagery of hot chicks is them being like, like, you know.

• 42:19Chris Williamson?

  You, you, yeah, okay, that's interesting.

• 42:21Ryan Long?

  Then you're just like, oh, yeah, like.

• 42:22Chris Williamson?

  Well, that's this, that's this, that's the same thing about, uh, are you finding something that you're genuinely interested in from the algorithm? Or is it training you to be interested in what it wants you to click on?

• 42:32Ryan Long?

  I know. And this is kind of, uh, you know, the very negative parts about all of like algorithmic based, you know, art form. I mean, it's moving closer to, you know, no property law China kind of thing. But the more important thing is that isn't a metric. So if you were a company, and I mean, you are a company, and if you said, okay, I did this thing, if you made a video and it got more views, right? And people watched it more, but most of them hated it and no one, you know, signed up for your stuff, no one's, you know, you would consider that. Well, let's not move in that direction. Like views is not your only metric. Their main metric is how long you watched it.

• 43:11Ryan Long?

  Again, if I'm walking by and a guy is shitting on the street, I will probably look at that longer than a guy who's sitting in a chair doing nothing. I didn't prefer that.

• 43:22Ryan Long?

  So that is inaccurate and I'll tell you where it leads to is because I just stopped using the apps like that. Okay. So TikTok's the most like that. And I know everyone, you know, the joke everyone always makes is they go, you go, I actually don't like that. And you go, sure, bud, it's based, you know, the algorithm knows you better than you do. It's like, well, sure, the same way that you go, if I, if I was sitting in my house and every day there was like the best food in the world or something healthy, you know, or the best tasting food or something healthy, or the hottest girl, or, you know, uh, someone that you're not going to get in trouble for sleeping with. You know, every day you would still want to make those, you would still, eventually you would stop going to that room.

• 44:01Ryan Long?

  You stop going to that party, like, you know, the same reason. So eventually I just kind of stopped using the apps that I go, I don't like this more. You go, yeah, technically you're like good at like keeping me here longer, but that doesn't mean I like it more.

• 44:13Chris Williamson?

  So there's a, you know,

• 44:15Ryan Long?

  Like shows that, uh, here's a perfect example. Sorry to

• 44:18Chris Williamson?

  No.

• 44:18Ryan Long?

  Rainbow on about this, but I, I stopped watching shows that force, you know, uh, there was a, uh, shows used to be kind of episodic and then they realized, you know, when it went to the streaming model that we need to end everything with like a huge cliffhanger to keep you involved. Right? I stopped, I stopped watching shows like that. So I won't watch shows that are episodic because yeah, I like can't go to sleep if I'm watching and it's like, I need to watch more episodes. It's like, yeah, but then I won't do it the next day.

• 44:44Chris Williamson?

  Right.

• 44:44Ryan Long?

  So you don't.

• 44:45Chris Williamson?

  You can watch the entire thing to the series finale before you go to bed.

• 44:49Ryan Long?

  Yeah. You beat me in the short term.

• 44:50Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 44:50Ryan Long?

  But not in the long term. In the long term, I just exited the game.

• 44:53Chris Williamson?

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• 45:31Chris Williamson?

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• 45:55Ryan Long?

  Yeah, that's very true.

• 45:57Chris Williamson?

  Just keeps on expanding. But there's a one that's kind of similar called good hearts law. Good heart's law says when a measure becomes an outcome, it ceases to be a good measure. So for instance, if you were to say, um, the measure that I want is the most number of email newsletter subscribers that I could get. And that is the only thing I'm optimizing for. That's the outcome. A measure, email newsletter subscribers becomes the outcome that you optimize for. You would say, right, I'm going to post online that I'm going to give $10,000 to every person that signs up.

• 46:25Ryan Long?

  Yeah, that's a good point.

• 46:26Chris Williamson?

  Then they don't get $10,000. What have you done? Hooray. You've got all of these people to sign up for your newsletter. But that wasn't actually the outcome you wanted. It was just a measure on route to it. The outcome you wanted was I want a large list of people who are interested in what I do and want to hear from me and think about me positively and so on and so forth. And that's the same with talking about the content thing or the views thing or the optimizing for anything thing. It's the same as, um, I want girls to like me, therefore I'm going to get as jacked as possible. You get super duper jacked, but you don't realize what the externality of that is going to be, which is just tons of fucking attention from men. Or if you owned a company, if you owned a company that, uh, was.

• 47:08Ryan Long?

  I never found getting jacked helped at all one way or another with women.

• 47:11Chris Williamson?

  With getting men?

• 47:11Ryan Long?

  I don't, yeah, with getting men, it was did okay. Yeah.

• 47:14Chris Williamson?

  Uh, no, I think, uh, you'd be surprised at how little of a difference it makes.

• 47:18Ryan Long?

  I might have been, it might have been adverse for me. Yeah.

• 47:22Chris Williamson?

  How jacked have you got?

• 47:24Ryan Long?

  I think if I had a six pack, I think the like, the knowledge that, uh, you know, it sounds like a cope. But I mean, you know, obviously it's different types of girls, but like if in, you know, I played in, you know, band my whole life and I've been in entertainment my whole life and been a comedian touring comedian for 15 years. And I would say that the people that are around that scene, like I've never seen a correlation between the most jacked guy and the most girls, like, you know, to a point, but I think that there's like a level of like cool, you know, nihilism that is negated by having a six pack.

• 47:55Chris Williamson?

  Oh, that's funny. I wonder how special, uh, that is to your particular industries of like lethario.

• 48:02Ryan Long?

  It depends on your shtick, yeah.

• 48:03Chris Williamson?

  Fucking leather jacket wearing 4am people.

• 48:06Ryan Long?

  I probably, I probably, especially depends on your body type too, but I think that like the skinny heroin version of my body types look like is more appealing than the jacked version. To women.

• 48:17Chris Williamson?

  You texted me something about that the other week. I was fucking pissing myself. Um, but that good hot slow thing. So imagine that you run a company and, um, one of the measures, uh, that you want, you tell, we need to drop the fraud rate in our company as much as possible. So you get customer support and you drill them. This is the most important metric. This is exactly what you're focusing on. Hooray. They managed to drive the fraud rate to essentially zero. Boo. What they actually do is treat every customer like a potential fraudster. That's not good. That's not actually what you wanted to achieve. So I think when you're looking at stuff like the pooping man on the street that you look at for a little bit longer, the equivalent of that on the internet, what you actually end up realizing is, okay,

• 48:59Chris Williamson?

  I can make something that will cause people to look and may even accumulate an audience, but it's not the sort of audience that I want. What are they here for? Are they here for like the right reasons? And what are their expectations around me? This is one of the things that you should always be scared about. If you ever do anything that blows up, even as a musician, like, let's say that you make a song and this song's amazing, but it's like kind of a bit out there compared with what your usual stuff is and what you love to make. And you just experimented and had this crack and you go, I've just got 50%. That's you now.

• 49:30Ryan Long?

  I know.

• 49:30Chris Williamson?

  And you go, oh, I need to now play in that field. I made a like right wing country, that Oliver Anthony guy, you remember that guy?

• 49:38Ryan Long?

  Yeah.

• 49:39Chris Williamson?

  Uh, like, guess what? You're now like a political football for the rest of your music career.

• 49:43Ryan Long?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 49:44Chris Williamson?

  Everybody cares about you and what you think to do with DC and the Richmond, north of Richmond and blah, blah. That might have just been, I don't think it was, but that might have just been one. He was like, I'm just gonna have a crowd, I'll write a thing that's about like rich men that they're kind of in the Washington DC area. You go, that's you now. That's your entire identity. So be careful doing that.

• 50:03Ryan Long?

  1,000%. I think the hardest part is like when you're trying to explain to other people your version of it. Cause you know, when you're trying to like have employees or whatever, anyone else that's like working for you. It's like, cause you're basically describing an equation that's like this if this, right? You're saying like, if these, uh, you could probably know the better wording for it, but if these criteria are, are satisfied, then this is the thing we're optimizing for, right? But it's, it's, I feel like that's a very hard thing to like, uh, get people on board with.

• 50:36Chris Williamson?

  I had this.

• 50:37Ryan Long?

  Like I, I mean, a big, huge thing that I probably the, you know, and you can't have a million of them, but the big thing I always have that it's like, none of this matters if it isn't funny, right? So I'm always like, and it's like, well, you said you want this and this and this. And it was like, yeah, none of that is, we don't even have any of those conversations like until it's funny.

• 50:54Chris Williamson?

  Yep.

• 50:54Ryan Long?

  So it didn't, yeah. So it's, it's like having conversations, like doing things in the right order, maybe is the answer.

• 51:00Chris Williamson?

  Well, having a gate that you have to pass through. So if it.

• 51:03Ryan Long?

  Yeah, they're like.

• 51:04Chris Williamson?

  If this isn't funny, doesn't matter how much money it makes, doesn't matter how much impact it has, doesn't matter.

• 51:09Ryan Long?

  It's irrelevant.

• 51:09Chris Williamson?

  Cool it makes me, if it's not funny, it doesn't get through the first. So there's a, like an ordinating principle, kind of similar Jeff Bezos and Musk supposedly have got one. Bezos is at Amazon was, does this make the customer experience better? And Musk's was, does this get us closer to Mars? So everything, all of the choices, it doesn't matter how fucking cool it is, it doesn't matter how fast the Tesla is, it doesn't matter how much money it makes on Amazon Prime Day or Black Friday or whatever. Does this make the customer experience better? Does this get, get us closer to Mars? And if it doesn't get through that, is this funny? If it's not funny, doesn't matter.

• 51:43Ryan Long?

  Yeah, that's the base level of like.

• 51:45Chris Williamson?

  It makes everything easier.

• 51:46Ryan Long?

  And I think that that's why, you know, on stage it's easy, cause you're like, well, obviously if it's not getting lapsed, like, uh.

• 51:52Chris Williamson?

  Kill it.

• 51:53Ryan Long?

  Well, maybe not kill it, get it to the point where it's getting lapsed, but you go, none of, no matter how good I think this is, doesn't matter until that's solved. You know, so that makes it easier.

• 52:04Chris Williamson?

  If you think it's impactful, if you think that it's like useful, if you think that it's cool for your career, if you think it's going to make headlines, if it's not funny, it doesn't get.

• 52:10Ryan Long?

  I mean, it's like one of those things where, you know, it's like working in a magazine and you're kind of like, we have this amazing scoop, but it's about the boss's wife. It's like, well, it doesn't matter. They're not going to say yes.

• 52:20Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 52:21Ryan Long?

  You know what I mean? You go, no, you don't understand how great this is. It was like, it doesn't matter.

• 52:24Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 52:25Ryan Long?

  But it's hard to.

• 52:27Chris Williamson?

  I had this conversation with a guy called Stuart Russell, who wrote this book, Human Compatible. So the worldwide textbook on AI may still be the case, but it certainly was for a couple of decades. It was written by this guy, Stuart Russell. Anyway, wrote this book and in it, he taught me this really interesting thing about how the algorithm works. So the algorithm works in two ways. First way is that it finds content that you are likely to click on by getting better at predicting what you're going to click on. Right? That's kind of the way that everybody understands that the algorithm works. But there's a second way that it works as well, which is it moves your preferences. It nudges your preferences to make you easier to predict. So it's a bidirectional relationship.

• 53:09Ryan Long?

  Oh, that's sinister.

• 53:11Chris Williamson?

  Fuck, you're really sinister. Yeah, that's a great word. And yeah, so what, one of the reasons that we talk here, why is the internet so?

• 53:20Ryan Long?

  People hate unpredictability.

• 53:22Chris Williamson?

  But the internet's so like polarized and, you know, these two camps don't talk to each other and all the rest of it. And you go, okay, like maybe that's because of tribalism. Maybe it's because you're stating your, in your opinions to everybody all the time. Maybe it's because we don't have time to have nuanced opinions and there's these sort of shows of loyalty to your own side and threat displays to the other. Or maybe it's the algorithm, meaning that if I know you're far right, you're always going to hate click or love click on these two buckets of things. And if you're far left, you're going to do the opposite. Maybe it's, maybe everybody is just being cucked by the algo and we've all been turned into these sort of easily predictable, uh, like preference engines.

• 54:02Ryan Long?

  Yeah, I always think of things a little bit like, you know, stocks is, or maybe just everything is stocks, but it's the only one that is, you know, there's a centralized body which describes everything. But it really does though, the more they do it, the more there is that arbitrage opportunity where they're, because the, you know, you know, like in, you know, attraction or whatever, it's like, you know, there's the kind of the oldest men, women thing, but women aren't attracted to a man who they can predict everything about him, you know? And so it's like the, people think they want that, but then they kind of stop wanting it. So at a time when everything kind of becomes predictable, when you see something that wasn't,

• 54:45Ryan Long?

  you know, in a lot of ways, it's so much more attractive. But then, yeah, so you kind of like, how do you rise above the algorithms to be that?

• 54:53Chris Williamson?

  There's a tension between sort of novelty or being exotic and being reliable and consistent. Because people like that, I think this is one of the reasons, again, I listened to tons of Shapiro during, uh, 2020 during COVID. If there's a global pandemic going on, you need a daily show, I chose him. I know you can, I can just read the title. I've got a pretty good idea of what his take's gonna be. It's like putting on an old leather pair of shoes. You know, there's a cadence.

• 55:18Ryan Long?

  I watch the cop shows like NCIS and stuff like that.

• 55:20Chris Williamson?

  You know, it's the fucking brother, it's the uncle, it's the guy that was like sort of snooping around the corner at the start and asking too many questions. You know what it's gonna be, but you, you're almost there for that. It's comfortable log fire, you've got your fucking slippers on, like I'm familiar with this. And I think that the tension that people have between this desire for reliability and consistency and predictability, but avoiding being boring and also the sort of spice of novelty and newness that everybody wants, finding that is exactly what it is. But I mean, how many times have you been on the algo and it's just thrown you something you've never seen before? And you're like, oh, that's fucking good. So I, I went down a rabbit hole of

• 56:01Ryan Long?

  Yes.

• 56:02Chris Williamson?

  Star Wars.

• 56:03Ryan Long?

  The meme, if you're in the meme culture, there's a lot of, you know, it'll get you.

• 56:07Chris Williamson?

  Dude, I went in, I went down this huge rabbit hole of Star Wars. Character battle power like analysis. People that had read all of the lore and they know who the most powerful Sith is of all time and they work out what would have happened if Luke Skywalker at peak power had actually fought Blood this guy and all the rest of it. And then that led me into this one about Marvel Comics and all of the Marvel Comics. And this is the biggest, most powerful guy. And it's that same fucking black man AI voice that everybody uses.

• 56:35Ryan Long?

  Yeah.

• 56:36Chris Williamson?

  And I was like this, and I was enthralled, but that was one video I'd never seen before. So that was the, you know, a bit of novelty that just gets tossed at you and you're like, oh, wow, like this is fucking sweet. And then other times you go, okay, if I had that all the time, it'd be too chaotic. It's like cat video, breastfeeding video, cow video, fucking Marvel video, too much.

• 56:55Ryan Long?

  It's got, there has to be, you know what? This would be the opportunity for the company that you basically are like algorithm curators. Cause you know, especially like what you, what you do, where you go, you know, there's people that are like, yeah, I know that this is worse for me. So I'm choosing to sort of, you know, it's obviously, you don't want to just be like using your willpower every second, right? So you, you, uh, you're able to say, okay, this is someone, they take over your account for a week and then they give it back to you where you're like, this is like the success algorithm you're about to get. I was, I was saying that, uh, it's, I don't get, you know, I never get messed up by politics shit like it never really like gets to me.

• 57:38Ryan Long?

  But the alpha male shit sometimes where it's like, if you sleep, you're gay and I'll be like, what the?

• 57:45Chris Williamson?

  Dude, it's so.

• 57:47Ryan Long?

  I will the, just be like on a plane and you know, a guy's just like, you know, y'all sleeping, you know, these, they're sleeping while I'm working content and I'm just like, fucking loser.

• 58:01Ryan Long?

  He's just yelling at me. Can I tell you one thing?

• 58:03Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 58:04Ryan Long?

  My buddy, I know a guy that, um, he filmed with Jordan Peterson. I know you know, Jordan, and he goes, he, he, he was like the camera guy and it was, uh, and he was like doing like a rant and he said he like honestly went home stressed out. Cause it's just, he was holding, just right here, right? Well, Jordan Peterson's like, and another thing, bucko.

• 58:27Ryan Long?

  I went to work, I just got yelled at by Jordan Peterson for three hours.

• 58:31Ryan Long?

  He said, he was like, he had to shake it off, like, just the camera guy.

• 58:41Chris Williamson?

  Oh my God. Yeah. I I have, I have no idea how people that have to put up with that sort of stuff. There was a dude that worked for us, Bennett, my DP, the camera op didn't show for the Jocko Willink episode that we did a few years ago. And he was, I mean, Jocko's got, he's a man with a large head. And this shot was zoomed like just that.

• 59:04Ryan Long?

  Sure.

• 59:05Chris Williamson?

  It was just his eyes and his nose.

• 59:06Ryan Long?

  Yeah.

• 59:06Chris Williamson?

  And this guy for three hours, Bennett, had just been looking down the lens of the camera like this, like tracking his head as he'd moved around. And he was like, dude, I just like stared at a guy that's killed people's eyes. Three and a half hours.

• 59:21Ryan Long?

  Getting my soul.

• 59:22Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, yeah. I know he wasn't looking at me, but it kind of felt like it.

• 59:25Ryan Long?

  Yeah, it feels like it.

• 59:26Chris Williamson?

  Okay, we got to talk a bit of politics. Like what, what the fuck is the assessment you've got? This isn't your first time in the US during an election. Is this more crazy than it is typically? It's my first time here.

• 59:40Ryan Long?

  Oh, this is your first time being here for it?

• 59:42Chris Williamson?

  Yep.

• 59:43Ryan Long?

  Feels less crazy to me.

• 59:44Chris Williamson?

  Really?

• 59:45Ryan Long?

  Does it feel more crazy to you?

• 59:46Chris Williamson?

  Well, I haven't been here before.

• 59:47Ryan Long?

  But you've been, I mean, everyone's inundated by American politics.

• 59:50Chris Williamson?

  Paid attention. I don't know, man. I mean, from two assassination attempts to a replaced candidate to like, one of them going on call her daddy. Like, I mean, it's,

• 1:00:01Chris Williamson?

  it's all happening.

• 1:00:02Ryan Long?

  Have you seen Danny's the AI king right now?

• 1:00:04Chris Williamson?

  Bro. So for the people that don't know, I had to text Danny about this. I also sent it to the guy that did Alex's $125 million Sirius XM deal. And I was like, bro, have you seen this?

• 1:00:18Ryan Long?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:19Chris Williamson?

  Danny did a Kamala and Alex AI.

• 1:00:24Ryan Long?

  He AI'd people in there.

• 1:00:25Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. And makes like a script that the AI must read in their voice. And he was talking about Kamala, everybody knows that you're the throat goat. So can we?

• 1:00:35Ryan Long?

  Unreal. I mean, if you're if you're seventy years old and you just watch a video and you're supposed to know it's AI like you're you're cooked, man. You know, you're done. Yep. But, yeah, in terms of, to me, it feels like, like, I mean, the last four elections, okay, I remember I was in, I guess we'll see who who wins and how it shakes down. I remember being in Toronto when Trump won the first time and I was at a comedy club and girls were crying. Like, girls were like bawling their eyes out. And I remember I went on. Canadian girls. Yeah, we don't, yeah, I mean, obviously, you know, American politics is everywhere. So you are. Yes, it's funny that it isn't Canada, but I guess it doesn't feel like that. They feel like, you know, and I'm sure they were correct that like,

• 1:01:18Ryan Long?

  Trumpian president is going to affect the next four years of their life or whatever. But yeah, that's how much, you know, and I know people in New York that were like, yeah, I cried and they kind of feel like a little embarrassed about it now. But I remember I went on stage and I was like, it's 2016. And I was like, there's gonna be some fucking changes around here.

• 1:01:33Ryan Long?

  Like, the first thing that happened. But I was like, yeah, I was crazy before crying, right? But to me, it doesn't feel like it's, it feels to some degree like a lot of people are in some ways embarrassed about how much they lost their mind, you know, and they lost their, people lost their mind so many times where now it feels, you know, back to probably a little closer to how I grew up where, you know, people are like, yeah, you know, there's podcasts with people that have different political views. The, it seems to me like both candidates are sort of, you know, Trump's going on being like, no, I'm not crazy on abortion. And then Kamala's going on being like, I swear I'm not like this fucking crazy woke person.

• 1:02:12Ryan Long?

  Like, they're almost, you know, they're clearly sort of, whether they're gonna do it or not, but they're clearly like, that's who they're trying to sort of, you know, move into. Again, we'll see what happens afterwards. But I was kind of thinking that so many of arguments right now is just, you know, abortion would be an example, but you can probably, you know, pick anything. Most arguments in politics are just who has the more egregious edge case. You know what I mean?

• 1:02:40Chris Williamson?

  Hmm.

• 1:02:40Ryan Long?

  So it's like, and most of the time, 90%, 99.9% of the time, you're not talking about edge cases. But it's really being like, here's this edge case of what happens if you get, if you get your way. And then this guy goes, well, here's an edge case of what happens the other way.

• 1:02:53Chris Williamson?

  Okay, one person's like immigrant that's killed an entire family of five is another person's third trimester dead baby that's actually been five hours born or some shit.

• 1:03:03Ryan Long?

  And in reality, none of it, you know, most of it, almost, almost never any of it happens, right?

• 1:03:09Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:09Ryan Long?

  And I'm sure whatever people are probably arguing like, well, this one happens a lot. And maybe there are edge cases of what I'm saying.

• 1:03:15Chris Williamson?

  Well, if it's, if it's a true edge case, then it doesn't happen a lot. That's what the definition.

• 1:03:20Ryan Long?

  Definitely definitions. There you go.

• 1:03:21Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 1:03:22Ryan Long?

  Um, but yeah, so to me it was like, every argument I watch right now, it feels like, it's like, how can you prepare the most egregious edge case?

• 1:03:30Chris Williamson?

  Just nut picking from left.

• 1:03:31Ryan Long?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:32Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:32Ryan Long?

  Well, and I think why it's gone a little more politically, like if you watch, if you watch like the debates with the VP debates, right? And I kind of watch this stuff because we talk about it a bit. But like, to me, that was your classic vintage, you know, I was gonna say like, you know, the politics we're used to now is just like, these guys are going on being like, he has a pretty good idea. I actually agree with him on that one. It's a pretty good idea. And I'm like, call him fat. What are you? What is like, call him a rapist. What do we want? I came in for like, that's what me and Danny were saying, that you just have a flashback where you go, wait, am I just watching a VP debate? What the hell?

• 1:04:06Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:09Ryan Long?

  Oh, right.

• 1:04:10Chris Williamson?

  Like, I came here for a Royal Rumble.

• 1:04:12Ryan Long?

  Yeah, I thought I was, I thought I was watching politics, not politics. We were saying the same thing about conspiracy theories where sometimes you, you get it too deep into conspiracy theories. Like I was watching all the P Diddy stuff and watching all this stuff. And you're like, it's an Epstein sex trafficking ring. And then eventually you're just like, so J Lo is leaving Ben Affleck and she's not happy. And you go, RFK's wife was seen without her wedding ring. And before you know it, you're just gossiping. And you're like, what are you talking about RFK's wife's even you? I'm doing conspiracies right now.

• 1:04:44Chris Williamson?

  Right. It's been so watered down that everything is now.

• 1:04:46Ryan Long?

  You get too deep into like those kind of conspiracies. You're just doing.

• 1:04:50Chris Williamson?

  How much do you think the Kamala going on podcasts and doing the 60 Minutes and all the rest of it is just a response to the fact that Trump is everywhere at the moment? Do you think that's them playing defense, just sort of trying to get her out there because it's too obvious? If she doesn't go on all of this long, any long form stuff at all, there's this big sort of open loop of.

• 1:05:09Ryan Long?

  I think it was too obvious and they were like, well, let's crank out a few, you know, softballs like Stern, you know, Stern's gonna be, you know, gonna be like, what's it like being so great? You know? So I think that that's what they're doing. They're like, yeah, let's crank out a few. And then I think that people just don't like her. So it seems to be that it's kind of changing the things. I'm sure it's not changing a lot, but I mean, the betting markets are not feeling her interviews.

• 1:05:33Chris Williamson?

  Dude, do you follow Polly Market?

• 1:05:35Ryan Long?

  Yeah, I love following Polly Market.

• 1:05:36Chris Williamson?

  All right. So everyone, I had Mike Solana from Pirate Wires on the show a couple of months ago. He's so fucking great. They wrote this thing today. I wanted to read to you. So this is, they're sponsored by Polly Market, right? They're like a.

• 1:05:48Ryan Long?

  Okay.

• 1:05:49Chris Williamson?

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• 1:06:34Chris Williamson?

  Loved that ad read. I thought that was so fucking

• 1:06:36Ryan Long?

  Yeah, that's funny.

• 1:06:37Chris Williamson?

  Etour, Etour, Hawk Tour. Um, but yeah.

• 1:06:41Ryan Long?

  I mean, that is, yeah, right now I was, I've been kind of making a joke. I was actually gonna do a sketch about this. I never did, but the idea of like every girl now, you know, answering a street question being like,

• 1:06:51Ryan Long?

  actually, you know what? Can I do that again? Bring it in? I think I could do that better. Just every girl trying to be the biggest hoe, cause that's how they get famous. I think Lieutenant Dan, the hurricane guy, he's gonna be the new Hawk Tour. That guy's gonna have a,

• 1:07:02Chris Williamson?

  So, alright.

• 1:07:03Ryan Long?

  He's gonna be interviewing the president.

• 1:07:04Chris Williamson?

  For the people that don't know, who's Lieutenant Dan?

• 1:07:07Ryan Long?

  He's the, he's like a guy that been going viral during the hurricane stuff and he lives in a boat, I guess, or something like that.

• 1:07:12Chris Williamson?

  He refuses to leave during category five hurricane.

• 1:07:16Ryan Long?

  But yeah, so I guess that there, obviously she couldn't do no interviews. Uh, so yeah, she had to do a few.

• 1:07:23Chris Williamson?

  At some point. It's a, it's funny that you say about that, like retrospective shame, PT, like PTSD, post-traumatic shame disorder of.

• 1:07:36Ryan Long?

  You must know people have that.

• 1:07:38Chris Williamson?

  A, a little bit, but I don't know, because 2016, I still really, really had my head up my ass. So, was not paying much attention to what was going on politically. Um, but I can totally see how that would be the case. There's another element as well, I think.

• 1:07:54Ryan Long?

  Just people that were like mad crazy during COVID.

• 1:07:57Chris Williamson?

  Yes, that's true. That would be, that would be more accurate, that one. But with the, the Trump thing, I think there's a bit where people don't want to admit that he gets to them. Like, everybody knows his shtick largely.

• 1:08:06Ryan Long?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:07Chris Williamson?

  Now, uh, the, like, he did this bit the other day where people, there's someone was like, gays for Trump, gays for Trump. And he said, who said that? Some guy was like, ah, it's me over here. And he went, you don't look gay. Like, you just know that what he's gonna say, he called Alex Cooper like dumb, she's a dummy. Like, he's a dumb, dumb girl. She's a dummy. And you're like,

• 1:08:28Ryan Long?

  I mean, there's, there's, there's, there's like fair criticisms and then there's like your brain's gone. Like, I can get. Like a normal person being like, yo, I don't wanna like live in a world that like revolves around one man again for four years, you know, where it's just like the whole world like revolves around this one guy. Like, that's fair to say, you know, and I think some people think that. So I mean, probably a referendum on, you know, whether people want Trump again. And then out of the people that are like, we don't being like, is this too much? Is she gonna be that bad? Like, people saying that.

• 1:09:02Chris Williamson?

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• 1:09:46Chris Williamson?

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• 1:10:15Ryan Long?

  Wait, the media was against Trump, you're saying? I didn't catch it. Which one?

• 1:10:20Chris Williamson?

  But like, the single greatest thing that could happen to all of the cliques of every single news outlet on the planet would be four years of a Trump presidency.

• 1:10:32Ryan Long?

  Sort of, but again, it's a short term thing. Again, like, think about what, how did that end? All of those places that you go, this was a clique bonanza. How are they doing now? Are they doing better or worse than they were doing before that?

• 1:10:44Chris Williamson?

  Keep him in power.

• 1:10:45Ryan Long?

  Well, but that's what I mean. It's, it's, it's kind of, I mean, I've been, I was having trouble sleeping and I started taking sleeping pills. And it was like, well, now I have to take, now I have to take sleeping pills.

• 1:10:54Chris Williamson?

  Right, okay.

• 1:10:55Ryan Long?

  But I mean, well. But it feels like that a little bit where you go, yeah, that'll be a click bonanza, but you, I think you have to like, uh, but you're going to ruin your brand in the process.

• 1:11:05Chris Williamson?

  I wonder whether.

• 1:11:07Ryan Long?

  And literally, dude, they lost their minds so much and tried to like wring out every clique during Trump, that it killed media.

• 1:11:14Chris Williamson?

  That's true. That is true. Yes. It expedited the death of mainstream media.

• 1:11:19Ryan Long?

  It's not a job anymore because they've lost their minds so much during Trump.

• 1:11:22Chris Williamson?

  That's a good point.

• 1:11:22Ryan Long?

  Have you seen the, uh, the New York Times were striking, right?

• 1:11:26Chris Williamson?

  No.

• 1:11:26Ryan Long?

  And it, uh, so the New York Times was, uh, going on strike and they basically had to, they had their demands. And it was like, imagine what you would think they would be. It was like, we need, you know, like rooms if we're feeling microaggressions. The one thing was they go, we need trigger warnings. It's like shit that you're like, this, you're kidding, right? And it was like, they want trigger warnings at the news. Like they work in the news. They need trigger warnings, right? But it was just funny because the same day that came out was the thing where Wall Street was like, we're only going to let people work 82 hours a week. It's like so funny. They're like.

• 1:12:03Chris Williamson?

  Right.

• 1:12:04Ryan Long?

  Dichotomy of.

• 1:12:05Chris Williamson?

  Within the space of like three miles of each other.

• 1:12:06Ryan Long?

  Traditional media. Yeah. Traditional like fucking liberal New York media versus, you know.

• 1:12:11Chris Williamson?

  Ruthless capitalists.

• 1:12:12Ryan Long?

  Versus just like, yeah, dude, bro, fucking capitalists. And it was like, they're, they're making a rule that they're only allowed to work 82 hours a week on paper. I mean, no one's going to follow it, but.

• 1:12:22Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. You're limited to three grams of cocaine.

• 1:12:24Ryan Long?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:25Chris Williamson?

  Per day in the office on account. Yeah. So this, uh, the Atlantic thing, the Atlantic for the fifth time in its history is endorsing a candidate for president Kamala Harris. But another way to write it is.

• 1:12:36Ryan Long?

  Huge endorsement. People were waiting on that.

• 1:12:39Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, well, I mean, dude, they wrote an article when was it Scientific American came out in support of Kamala, they literally wrote an article saying Scientific American didn't need to endorse anybody. And then a month later, obviously, whatever pressure has been applied to them that they need to come out, come on, we really need your support.

• 1:12:53Ryan Long?

  So they're big, is it the reason they have a big subscription model and their base is like, hey, we're paying you money, are you gonna say something or what?

• 1:12:59Chris Williamson?

  Maybe I've get the sense that it would have come more from inside of the company than inside of the audience.

• 1:13:03Ryan Long?

  Gotcha.

• 1:13:04Chris Williamson?

  But another way to write it, fifth time in the history endorsing a presidential candidate, or third time in a row, they're endorsing Trump's opponent.

• 1:13:12Ryan Long?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:13Chris Williamson?

  It's like, it's not the whole, everything that's happening with regards to politics at the moment is just a big fuck off protest vote. You're not voting for the love of that candidate. You're voting for eight of the other one.

• 1:13:25Ryan Long?

  You know, you said that, you know, you were in COVID, you go to Ben Shapiro and you're that comfort and that's what it is. I mean, that's how I look at news where I'm like, okay, I'll just, sometimes I like to look at it to see what they're, what the thing that people want you to think is. You know what I mean?

• 1:13:43Chris Williamson?

  Right.

• 1:13:43Ryan Long?

  Like those publications, yeah.

• 1:13:45Chris Williamson?

  It's not telling you what's going on. It's telling you what people want you to think is going on.

• 1:13:48Ryan Long?

  Which I think is, you know, especially if you're someone that's, you know, a comedian or in culture and any business where you need to know like the way things are moving or, you know, probably you want to know those things, but that's, that's the only information that you get generally. Or if they, or if they corroborate something that everyone else seems to corroborate, it's maybe another piece of data.

• 1:14:09Chris Williamson?

  I wonder what's gonna happen if it, if it does calm down a bit. Like, you know, we've sort of crazy, woke-y stuff on one side seems to be chilling out a little bit. Trump seems to be moderating himself. Maybe that's just in the run up to the actual voting point, or maybe that's actually indicative of what he's trying to do longer term.

• 1:14:26Ryan Long?

  Well, I think the end of the day, you have to look at. It didn't work, you know, the, at the end of the day, like where you go, why is it, uh, you know, you know, why are things like moving away from that? You go, because it didn't work very

• 1:14:42Chris Williamson?

  Effective.

• 1:14:43Ryan Long?

  Yeah, it was ineffective. So

• 1:14:44Chris Williamson?

  Your job during the campaign is to get elected. You did a thing, it didn't get you elected, do a different thing and see if it works.

• 1:14:51Ryan Long?

  Yeah. And then also, but you know, what, it also probably, I mean, okay, Candace is obviously like a more aggressive example. They've had 12 years of Justin Trudeau, who's like a clown, right? And you go

• 1:15:03Chris Williamson?

  With face paint.

• 1:15:04Ryan Long?

  Yeah. And yo, there's like, people went from mostly people being fairly liberal to people having like fuck Trudeau stickers on the, like turned into like a Republican dad over, you know, night, you know what I mean? Like people are legit, you know, your, your average person is, you know, ready to, is talking about the second amendment and stuff like that, right? And that to me, that's what, that's what that did. It like, it didn't, it made people go the other way. Cause it was, you know, so flawed, like logically, that I think that like most dudes just weren't like, I'm not buying what you're selling.

• 1:15:37Chris Williamson?

  You end up with reaction.

• 1:15:38Ryan Long?

  Yeah. So, I mean, that's in addition to like politically, it was somewhat not effective in the long term. It's probably, I mean, it might be, to be honest, it might've been somewhat effective at points to get people elected, but probably not to make anything better. That's for sure.

• 1:15:54Chris Williamson?

  Well, that's the, the game, right? Is between what do you need to do or say in order to be able to get yourself into office? But what does that actually do in terms of making the world a better place?

• 1:16:03Ryan Long?

  And how do you do it again? You know what I mean? It's like the, it's the girl that you promised the world and didn't deliver, you know?

• 1:16:10Chris Williamson?

  Well, that's the thing, that's the mad thing about the sort of Kamala situation is that you're in power now. Like you're literally, you've been in office. I know you're second, like number, number two or whatever, but you, all of the things that you're highlighting that are problems with the country that need to be fixed. There has to be attention when it comes to the talking points that her team are creating for her. That is, well, we can kind of derogate where the world and the country is at right now, but we can't do it too much. Cause kind of we were in charge. A bit. So whereas the person that is the opponent as opposed to the incumbent, is she the incumbent? I guess kind of, kind of not. Um, the person that's on the other side can go, this has been ruined. I'll come in and fix it. Like all of the problems are their fault, technically her fault.

• 1:16:55Chris Williamson?

  She's got like a bit of culpable deniability, but not that much. Cause it's like, well, you were fucking inside of the tent pissing out, not Trump trying to burn it down from the outside.

• 1:17:05Ryan Long?

  I mean, you're, I think you're talking to like your audience and you're talking to uh voters the way that maybe their people are supposed to think about it, but I don't think that is how people think about it. I mean, most people have their one issue, like any girl that I know that's like, yeah, I'm not voting for Trump, like he's against abortion. End of story. Like that's so many New York people. I mean, so, I mean, really that's all like semantics. It's like an argument that, that changes nothing to some degree.

• 1:17:34Chris Williamson?

  Well, it's wild. Every time that I read uh an assessment, if it's Nate Silver, that polling guy, or even like more partisan media stuff, everybody that's talking about polling is basically saying almost all of this campaigning stuff could just be shut down. Probably 98% or 99% of America could just switch off about the election. And there's like four counties in Pennsylvania and a couple in Nevada, and they can actually deal with it.

• 1:18:02Ryan Long?

  It always seems weird to me. Well, yeah, they, they, people probably made this point, but they're like all the, like all the undecided voters. You're like, who?

• 1:18:09Chris Williamson?

  No.

• 1:18:10Ryan Long?

  I don't know anyone that's like.

• 1:18:11Chris Williamson?

  Five percent.

• 1:18:12Ryan Long?

  This point is like, oh, I don't know. They're both good. Uh, it's like, who is that guy? I mean, the only thing I get is the guy who, you know, do I like this person enough to actually get off my ass and do it?

• 1:18:26Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 1:18:26Ryan Long?

  To me, that makes sense where you're, when they always talk about undecideds, but to me, it probably seems more like.

• 1:18:31Chris Williamson?

  Unregistered.

• 1:18:32Ryan Long?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're.

• 1:18:33Chris Williamson?

  Not yet registered.

• 1:18:33Ryan Long?

  Am I actually, you know, this guy that, you know, uh, maybe, uh, yeah, I prefer Trump, but I don't like Kamala. You're like, are you actually gonna go do it? And you're like, probably not.

• 1:18:42Chris Williamson?

  Motivated enough.

• 1:18:43Ryan Long?

  Can you get that guy to vote? To me, that feels like more what it's about.

• 1:18:46Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, that's a really good point. But when you think, I think it's about 5% of voters are a class themselves as undecided or a classed as undecided. But then of that 5% of 330 million people, how many of them?

• 1:18:58Chris Williamson?

  Have registered to vote? How many of them are going to go and vote? And of that subset, of that subset? How many of them live in the counties of the places? That actually matter, the Pennsylvania, the Nevada, the whatever the fuck?

• 1:19:10Ryan Long?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:11Chris Williamson?

  It's like you're, you're, you might actually be talking about the entire political campaign running rampant across the world being for less than a million people? That might actually be who it is.

• 1:19:24Ryan Long?

  It's a lot of money for those people.

• 1:19:26Chris Williamson?

  Less than a million people. Like, that might be who is, who, all of this stuff is being funneled toward. The only ones that matter can vote, will vote.

• 1:19:33Ryan Long?

  I guess it's really based on blunders then, you know? At this point, you go, I don't know if there's anything good someone could do, or like their speech was so good, they changed people's mind. It's really like, did then, did you not mess up so bad that you dropped a point?

• 1:19:45Chris Williamson?

  All right, you're going on Call Her Daddy. That's a high risk strategy there for you. I don't know. It's, you are right, though. I mean, how many times Trump did Flagrant with Schultz?

• 1:19:55Ryan Long?

  Me, I didn't see, I, I, I didn't see it that way. Where it is hilarious to me, but I, to me, that felt like, I mean, the Call Her Daddy, when they were doing the like blowjob tutorials, that was more like the five years ago Barstool days, from what I understand.

• 1:20:08Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:08Ryan Long?

  So really, it was like, she go, from what I think, in my mind, what I think it is now, is like, women talking about mental health and, you know what I mean?

• 1:20:18Chris Williamson?

  Chick talk.

• 1:20:19Ryan Long?

  Yeah, like that kind of shit, so.

• 1:20:21Chris Williamson?

  It's Hailey Bieber talking about how difficult it is to deal with the pressures of fame and stuff like that.

• 1:20:26Ryan Long?

  Probably like a lot of that kind of shit.

• 1:20:28Chris Williamson?

  That's what I think it is too. Uh, although, yeah, you're right. Alex kind of branded herself as one thing and then.

• 1:20:34Ryan Long?

  She go, yeah, she wanted to get out of it.

• 1:20:36Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, I think, I think that seems to be the case. But, uh, the, we're playing off errors, not successes. I think is like absolutely dialed. Fucking straight on the money. How many times that Trump was on Schultz's show? And, uh, he described himself as, I think, like, kind of truthful or mostly, I'm a mostly truthful person or something like that. And everybody.

• 1:21:00Ryan Long?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:01Chris Williamson?

  Schultz was like, what? Mostly, what is that? That was in a campaign ad for Kamala like today.

• 1:21:08Ryan Long?

  Really?

• 1:21:09Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, that happened. They recorded it on Monday. It came out yesterday. It was in a campaign ad today. So it very much is a just obsessively watch what the other candidate does.

• 1:21:19Ryan Long?

  See if you can find a blunder.

• 1:21:21Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. So the amount of, I guess, opportunities that you give the other person, like the fewer opportunity, if you don't do so many.

• 1:21:29Ryan Long?

  You think that's kind of wild when you look at it where you go, you know, like you know, all these people that are kind of like pivotal people in deciding the election now, you know what I mean?

• 1:21:37Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:38Ryan Long?

  That kind of wild, like the media like changed so much and you kind of, in the last five years, you look around, you go, oh, I guess I'm like, it's like your friends that are kind of like.

• 1:21:45Chris Williamson?

  Andrew Schultz is apparently fucking important in the future of the country somehow.

• 1:21:49Ryan Long?

  Yeah, and a lot of people like that. It's pretty, well, kind of wild.

• 1:21:52Chris Williamson?

  It is pretty strange. Yeah, I, I don't know how I feel about that. Like, it's kind of flattering to everybody that it's power, but it also feels a lot like, who the fu- I keep bringing this up. There's this image of Mark Zuckerberg in front of Congress and he's being shouted at. It's when he still was AI.

• 1:22:11Ryan Long?

  I've shown them.

• 1:22:12Chris Williamson?

  But it was like AI Mark where everyone was sure he was a lizard robot person and not Chad Mark now with a beard and a necklace chain.

• 1:22:19Ryan Long?

  Grills.

• 1:22:19Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, he's fucking.

• 1:22:21Ryan Long?

  I beast Mark.

• 1:22:22Chris Williamson?

  Absolutely. He is, he is, yeah. He's Erawan Mark.

• 1:22:28Chris Williamson?

  And it was just an image of a guy who 15 years ago had tried to be able to work out who was hotter on a website and whether you were in a relationship with someone or not.

• 1:22:37Ryan Long?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:37Chris Williamson?

  Now being told that he's suppressing information, which is crucial to the future of the republic or some shit. And he's like this.

• 1:22:43Ryan Long?

  And he's like, it's just a guy.

• 1:22:45Chris Williamson?

  But it's kind of the same with, you know, what the fuck is going on that Alex Cooper, some girl that just wanted to have a chat with her friends and like maybe some famous chicks about what it's like to fucking be a girl and grow up and have casual sex or something.

• 1:22:59Ryan Long?

  Be a whore.

• 1:23:02Chris Williamson?

  And now you're having a chat with like the vice president, potential future president of the country. You're, oh, like, we've handed a lot of power to like, random people.

• 1:23:12Ryan Long?

  Well, we didn't hand it to them. That's they took it. Yeah.

• 1:23:14Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, they've, they've grown that power. Yeah, it's, it's super interesting. It's fucking.

• 1:23:18Ryan Long?

  The people that had the power before, like, proved themselves not to be trusted and then people left.

• 1:23:23Chris Williamson?

  Massive.

• 1:23:24Ryan Long?

  You know, it's kind of, I mean, there's that, I'm sure you've heard it in tech where they like, everything is just centralizing and decentralizing again. Well, basically, like, every new company is bundling and unbundling of some sort. Where it's like, you know, there was, you know, first it was, you know, songs were a thing and then you started having CDs. And then basically, then they started, you know, the new company was like, you could buy a bunch of CDs at once and then, and then, uh, then it was back to like original songs and then Spotify bundles them again. And like, so basically there's a thing that every company is basically like bundling and then unbundling products.

• 1:24:02Ryan Long?

  But I was kind of thinking like, you know, every, it's almost like if you look at everything, you know, politics, culture, it's all just fashion going from baggy to tight and tight to baggy. Like, it kind of, it kind of relates to like everything, but it's like music always goes from like soft to hard or, or like technical. And then back to like kind of nihilistic, it doesn't matter, like the rap. And then you get the rapper who's like, I'm the best at rapping. And then you go to the guy that's like, I don't even care about being good. It's not about that. It just goes back and forth. But it's all just things going from tight to baggy, baggy to tight. And like politics and media, it kind of is like that too, where it's, it really went from like, you know, it went from baggy or tight, which is, uh, you know,

• 1:24:40Chris Williamson?

  prim.

• 1:24:40Ryan Long?

  Buttoned down, prim and proper to baggy, which is like a bunch of people like talking shit on a podcast. And then, yeah, so it's like, all of, you know, kind of culture is just things going from tight to baggy and baggy to tight.

• 1:24:53Chris Williamson?

  Really fucking good. I'd never thought of that. But also, it's in line with what you were saying about the Trump Biden and then Trump Kamala debates. And you go, that could have been the intro to the flagrant episode. It's the same tenor. Do you know what I mean?

• 1:25:11Ryan Long?

  Right. Oh, I see what you're saying.

• 1:25:12Chris Williamson?

  It's like the exact set. So for us to say, oh, isn't it crazy that now Alex Cooper and Andrew Schultz and all of these people have got, Aiden Ross is important to the future of Donald Trump's presidency and stuff like that. You go, oh, kind of, but only if you're comparing it to the wrong period in history. If you compare it to the right period in history, which is right fucking now, it makes total sense.

• 1:25:32Ryan Long?

  That's what happens. Yeah.

• 1:25:33Chris Williamson?

  I don't think he knows what he said at the end of that sentence. He doesn't know either. Like, it was just, it's complete, it's continuation.

• 1:25:39Ryan Long?

  Yeah, it's the removal of like gatekeepers. But yeah, you can imagine why that like.

• 1:25:42Chris Williamson?

  Even when they're on the gatekeeper program, you know, they had to reinstall gatekeepers as in there's a way that we can mute your mic. Like, that's a physical fucking gatekeeper, because the natural decorum that would have typically been had in a presidential debate. Do you ever see that one? It was whoever Obama ran up against in like 2012, whoever that was. And they go and they sort of shake hands at the beginning. And I think, before we get started, I'd like to wish the honorable gentleman's wife a very happy birthday. And you think, who is fucking lame shit. Come on. Call him a dick.

• 1:26:18Ryan Long?

  Yeah, it's always, it always switches. To me, it's like, politics is politics and then it becomes culture. You know what I mean? Where, you know, Trump is culture, where it's like, you could, whether or not you were into politics, you had an opinion on Trump. So it kind of transcends, you know, there's certain issues like men and women and, you know, race stuff that they're kind of more of part of culture. And then there's issues that are less sexy, like the Federal Reserve, which are the actual, you know, usually important ones. Yeah. They'd kind of, you know, no one, they don't, they're not sexy, right?

• 1:26:50Chris Williamson?

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• 1:28:12Ryan Long?

  It's pretty good. I like it.

• 1:28:13Chris Williamson?

  Talking about the baggy to tight, tight to baggy thing. When Kanye West started making clothing, what was it? It was like almost hobo chic, right? It was like literally like oversized, long sleeves.

• 1:28:25Ryan Long?

  For a million dollars.

• 1:28:26Chris Williamson?

  Correct.

• 1:28:26Ryan Long?

  Here's a ripped up shirt for a million dollars.

• 1:28:29Chris Williamson?

  The only, the only people that could afford it were the people at the top of the barber pole, but how were they dressing? They were dressing like the people at the bottom of the barber pole. So why?

• 1:28:36Ryan Long?

  Oh, that's, oh, fuck, I like it. Yeah.

• 1:28:38Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, you're signaling, but the only reason

• 1:28:40Ryan Long?

  Cause everyone's going one up, but when you're at the

• 1:28:42Chris Williamson?

  At the top, you've got to go right back.

• 1:28:43Ryan Long?

  That's the, you know, hedge fund kid's son.

• 1:28:46Chris Williamson?

  Red sneakers.

• 1:28:48Ryan Long?

  Slum it, or the, yeah, Mark Zuckerberg.

• 1:28:50Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, yeah, well, they don't.

• 1:28:51Ryan Long?

  Thing where they're all wearing the hoodies.

• 1:28:53Chris Williamson?

  It's the same as the guy that just got his PhD saying it's a doctor long, actually.

• 1:28:59Ryan Long?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:29:00Chris Williamson?

  As opposed to the dude that's been a practicing surgeon for 50 years.

• 1:29:02Ryan Long?

  Call me Mark, yeah.

• 1:29:04Chris Williamson?

  Hundred percent.

• 1:29:04Ryan Long?

  That's a great theory. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:29:05Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, yeah. So I love that barber pole idea. So I'm always thinking about, okay, what's this person signaling? And who are they trying to be?

• 1:29:12Ryan Long?

  You know what? I'll tell you what, kind of something that I think about that relates to that. Because when you're thinking about, you know, people are always moving and looking to present themselves as something different. I'm always like, never listen to anyone who hasn't been the thing for less than two years. So when someone's telling you about religion, you know, you'll have a friend that's like, I'm religious. Here's why it's great, or I'm, you know, here's why, you know, they just got into.

• 1:29:40Chris Williamson?

  Veganism.

• 1:29:40Ryan Long?

  Yeah, or, or, you know, just got into right wing stuff and they're like, you know, calling you a sheep now. Like, and it was like, a week ago, this guy was watching CNN, you know what I mean? Like, but I feel like two years is the amount where you have to be in it for two years before I want to hear.

• 1:29:54Chris Williamson?

  Then you can preach to me.

• 1:29:55Ryan Long?

  Yeah, yeah, because then, otherwise, it's like, you know, use that on someone else. Like, if you, if you want to go talk to your family and bother your coworkers and your bullshit, I don't want to be the test subject for you. You know.

• 1:30:09Chris Williamson?

  Playing with your new toy.

• 1:30:10Ryan Long?

  Playing with your new toy. Yeah, now that's, now I'm a sucker.

• 1:30:14Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:14Ryan Long?

  If you find yourself being like, yeah.

• 1:30:16Chris Williamson?

  What am I, a fucking sand? Am I a petri dish for your like, like dog shit new ideas?

• 1:30:20Ryan Long?

  Yeah, that's, that's when you're a sucker.

• 1:30:22Chris Williamson?

  That's a, that's a good point. You're a, you're an easy mark for me to like dick about with this new idea. One of my friends has a rule where he never listens to the suggestions that anyone's got for software and like productivity. He's like into productivity and stuff and someone, everybody's known, oh, bro, I've got this new task management app. Loops in with Google Calendar and then it automatically populates, it tracks all your time. And then you've got to, you can do it on your phone and it automatically does all of this stuff. And he's like, how long you used it for? And he goes, about two and a half weeks. He goes, so his rule is he never takes suggestions for software for anyone that's used it for less than five years.

• 1:30:59Ryan Long?

  Yeah, because they don't know the problem.

• 1:31:00Chris Williamson?

  Yes, yeah. Where does it, where does it, what's the limits that this thing comes up against? What's it like living with this thing today, day to day? When the shininess and the novelties, what is left?

• 1:31:09Ryan Long?

  When I'm like working with people, especially like film's a big one for this, you know, comedy even more so and any sort of like comedy film sense, it's like everyone's pretty good at their job until there's a problem, right? So people that aren't that good, you know, that haven't been, you know, done it for every year, like really what makes like a great sound guy a lot of times is like they've dealt with every single problem. Hundred percent. So nothing will happen and there's a peace of mind to know, you know, whereas someone that's not that good and a lot of people that are mediocre will always kind of be like, well, this is wrong and this is wrong. You're like, yeah, that's, things go wrong. Everyone can be good at their job when there's problems. Yeah, that's, yeah, that's a good way to say it. Everyone can be good at their, everyone can be good at everything. Like you can, you can spend six months getting to the point where you're good at this in

• 1:31:53Ryan Long?

  perfect conditions, but like being good at something means there's not. So yeah, so people that kind of have that thing often you find, you like hire them and and they'll kind of be like, well, this went wrong and this went wrong. And they'll always be giving you things that went wrong. And you're like, yeah, things go wrong. I don't know. Yeah, that's why you're hired. You're hired to stop the things. I, when I was, uh, when I used to do like showcases in comedy. What's that? Like if you, uh, let's say, you know, they have festivals and, you know, TV things. If you're, so people would be on the. Oh, like that moon tower thing. It's kind of like how people auditioned for things for a long time. Like a lot of times they would have, you know, people audition this way and stand ups. You kind of audition by doing stand up and I, but a lot of times, you know, especially in the 2017, 18 eras, there was a lot of people that were, you know, shooting up in

• 1:32:38Ryan Long?

  the industries that weren't actually that good at the thing. So I would always, whenever I was, I, I always would hate when it was a hot crowd. I would love it. Like whenever I was doing a. Oh. Yeah. Because you're like, if there's 10 people and four of them like can't even, they're not even that good. If it's a hot crowd, you're not going to be able to tell which one of those are. If it's a bad crowd, those people are all going to bomb. Oh, it's the proving ground. Yeah. So I always used to like it when it was, whereas if you've been doing this forever and you're pretty good at it, you're like, oh, I actually know how to switch this, like whatever. Not, you're not going to every time, but like you, you might be able to do it. They won't be able to do it. That's so good. So I was

• 1:33:10Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, there's a I've been using this analogy about lifting on Mars or lifting on Jupiter. So Mars, less gravity, Jupiter, more gravity. And what you want to basically do is do your practicing where you're lifting on Jupiter and do your performance when you're lifting on Mars.

• 1:33:24Ryan Long?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:33:25Chris Williamson?

  Like, prepare for the worst and hope for the best type thing. And that, that's really interesting. I've got my first set of work in progress shows for the next live tour happening, starting this Monday, that you helped me with last year. And

• 1:33:39Ryan Long?

  Yeah, it was cool.

• 1:33:39Chris Williamson?

  I've got the same thing again, where I'm like, the room's really cool. It's really dark.

• 1:33:45Ryan Long?

  You want the opposite.

• 1:33:45Chris Williamson?

  Temperature. Yeah, I'm like, fucking, can we?

• 1:33:47Ryan Long?

  Jerry Seinfeld has a pretty good point about it. That applies to, I think, a lot of things, but he has pretty good points. He didn't make much comedy, but he has a good points on comedy. But he says, he goes that good rooms are for exploring and bad rooms are for refining.

• 1:34:05Chris Williamson?

  Oh, that's great.

• 1:34:06Ryan Long?

  So, so this goes a little against what you're saying, but if you're looking to like, figure it out at the beginning, that's not the worst to have like a good room where people are supportive. However, I would imagine that most of your rooms are that. Like, I can't imagine you're gonna do like, if you did like a small room for a hundred.

• 1:34:23Chris Williamson?

  Crowd.

• 1:34:24Ryan Long?

  Yeah, and people are like, you know, I doubt you're gonna get that energy.

• 1:34:28Chris Williamson?

  I've been loving, I mean, I got to, again, I need to thank you and you thanked me at the beginning, but I got to thank you with some of the stuff that you gave me last year. It was so fucking amazing.

• 1:34:38Chris Williamson?

  If you are a person who doesn't have a friend that's a top flight comedian, which maybe I guess most people don't. But if you, I texted you a couple of times about a few things I was trying to work out. You could have been on the toilet or like in an Uber somewhere and I just got nothing short of like, pure gold that given a hundred years, I couldn't have written, just this like stream of consciousness from you on my iMessage. And I still like hold on to these fucking bits. Like it's, you won't even remember them. You won't even remember that. There's like one bit about Amber Heard, which was just fucking phenomenal. Like this three part bit, there's another bit about Bill Cosby, there's another bit about something else. I was like, it just, it blows my mind like to see, I guess it's probably, it's probably what it must feel like if you have a friend that's a.

• 1:35:23Chris Williamson?

  An unbelievable MMA fighter and you just know him, right? You just talk, you go for dinner, you hang out. And then every so often you get to watch him put on this very specific set of skills on display and you go, holy fuck, like, what's that? What's that bit of you?

• 1:35:37Ryan Long?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:38Chris Williamson?

  And it's just this like growth, this sort of like bit of the additional side of your entire capacity that nobody else has. So, yeah, it's.

• 1:35:45Ryan Long?

  It is. Yeah, there is like a brain thing of like how jokes work. And I think a lot of, yeah, but so you kind of get good at doing that. And I think for what you were doing too, there was an element where it's like, you know, a bunch of eights would be like really good in this hour. But like, when you're actually, you know, trying to put together like a thing that the purpose of this is just pure stand up. You go, most eights don't usually make the cut.

• 1:36:07Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:08Ryan Long?

  And then also there's, there's usually, you know, I could, I maybe like had an idea of like what type of stuff where, remember there was one joke where you're like, I don't really get this one. And I'm like, listen, I obviously do what you want, but I'm like, I'm telling you that's the one that'll get.

• 1:36:22Chris Williamson?

  That was the Amber Heard. That's the Amber Heard.

• 1:36:23Ryan Long?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:24Chris Williamson?

  And I, I was like, all right.

• 1:36:25Ryan Long?

  No, I could just tell.

• 1:36:27Chris Williamson?

  I trust you and sure enough, did it and it fucking destroys. And I was like, that's, yeah, it's just, it's so wild. But yeah, to, to think about like the capacities that your friends have and to go, oh, I just get to see you and you sort of usually do this thing.

• 1:36:42Ryan Long?

  You actually saw the, you know, last time, so when I, I, the special that I just released, you came and saw the second time I started putting that hour together.

• 1:36:51Chris Williamson?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:36:51Ryan Long?

  Here.

• 1:36:52Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 1:36:52Ryan Long?

  That was like the second time I started putting that together. And then that was a two, two years later.

• 1:36:56Chris Williamson?

  Fuck. What else have you got? Have you got anything else that you want to go through?

• 1:37:00Ryan Long?

  Oh, yeah. Okay.

• 1:37:01Chris Williamson?

  Brought from home.

• 1:37:02Ryan Long?

  Yeah, I told you, I brought a couple of like points that I've been thinking about for the last like a few days that, so I was thinking that in politics, you can either be the funner side or the more righteous side and you can't be both. And it always kind of switches back and whoever's the funner side, it's too delectable for them to not start being the righteous side because it's like righteous, like being righteous is like so, uh, maybe not addictive is the right word. It's so, uh, appealing, like you just want to. So, but the funner side usually does better. But when you're the funner side and then that expands, the funner side can't help but start being the righteous side. Once you have like a movement.

• 1:37:44Chris Williamson?

  Who's the funnest?

• 1:37:44Ryan Long?

  So you built a movement with the funner side. I think right now. Uh, it clearly like, obviously at one point, the liberals were the funner side. They became the less fun side. Uh, I think that Republicans became the funner side now. Probably like, you know, the, I mean, they were the OG, like it is fun. It's funner to just be like, "Fuck yeah, American guns, like jet skis" than to be, you know, um, telling you what, you know, you can tweet or whatever, right?

• 1:38:15Chris Williamson?

  Federal Reserve and immigrants and-

• 1:38:17Ryan Long?

  Now I think that the, the draw to be righteous is like very strong on both. In my opinion, right now.

• 1:38:25Chris Williamson?

  Hmm.

• 1:38:26Ryan Long?

  So I feel like, I feel righteousness coming at me from both ways.

• 1:38:30Chris Williamson?

  Well, it's interesting. You're getting spit roasted by righteousness.

• 1:38:33Ryan Long?

  I feel like a little bit. Yeah.

• 1:38:34Chris Williamson?

  Uh, it's-

• 1:38:35Ryan Long?

  Probably, yeah.

• 1:38:36Chris Williamson?

  It's, it's funny that, um, definitely when Kamala got nominated first or whatever, it was, it's all vibes and you would just brat summering our way through, "She's so cool." And it was memes and all the rest of it, but you do have this very moralistic side that's righteous because Roe versus Wade and abortion is such a key part-

• 1:38:55Ryan Long?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:55Chris Williamson?

  Talking point. So you can't, like, you can't speak non-seriously about what you're saying is an existential threat to 50% of the entire fucking country.

• 1:39:03Ryan Long?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:04Chris Williamson?

  So you can't fuck about with it, but then you've got this sort of brand. Uh, and I guess with Trump as well, his whole thing is to be the, "I'm gonna flip the table over. I'll drain the swamp. I'll say funny things." Yeah, but if you do that, what are you actually gonna, like, we've got all of these problems. What about the communists? You can't call them communists and just like meme lord your way through tweeting and truth socialing everything.

• 1:39:26Ryan Long?

  It kind of is in real life too. There's a little bit of, you know, definitely in comedy where you go, you know, it's very attractive to kind of be like, "I don't even fucking pay attention to that shit." But then like, once you do, it's like, it's hard to go back, you know, you, I think that was the big problem like liberals had is they all kind of were like scolding you and then they went back to trying to be silly. And you're like, "What the fuck?" It's like you always see on stage a guy, well, there'll be like an audience member will start yelling, "Get the fuck out, blah, blah, blah." And he's like, "You, this is a real show and blah." And then he, then he tries to go back to like, "So I'm on the bus." And you know, it's just like ridiculous, right? But I think that on, in people, it's like, people, it's like funner to be the like, you know, "I'm not, I don't, whatever." And then, but then it's attractive to be like, "Okay, actually this is ridicu-" like, so it's very,

• 1:40:09Ryan Long?

  uh, there's always a pull to be the righteous side.

• 1:40:12Chris Williamson?

  Baggy to loose, loose to baggy.

• 1:40:13Ryan Long?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:40:14Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, tight to, tight to baggy, baggy to tight.

• 1:40:17Ryan Long?

  Tight to baggy, baggy to tight. I guess it's back to that.

• 1:40:19Chris Williamson?

  Yep.

• 1:40:19Ryan Long?

  Um, I think that, uh, um, I had a, I had a funny theory that, um, you know how girls put guys in friend zones, right?

• 1:40:28Chris Williamson?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:40:28Ryan Long?

  Um, so people say, well, what's the guy version of that, right? And the guy version of that is grandmother treatment. So it like, so a girl puts a guy in a friend zone because for girls like that's a, you know, male friend is like really the most non-sexual thing that, you know? Whereas a guy, you'd be like, yeah, I'll fuck with, I could be friends with a girl and fuck her. But like the guys see friends as higher. So girls, when they treat a guy like a friend, it's very like a little brother, like a friend. Those are like, like very no, the least sexual. That's the lowest run. Whereas guy version of that is grandmother. So you would never talk about anything real. You would never talk about anything sexual. And you, I'm sure you have women in your life like that. You're like, oh, how's it going? Like, you know, they'd be, and if they ever said something sexual, like, oh, that guy's hot.

• 1:41:10Ryan Long?

  You're like, yeah, he seems to be doing pretty good. Like you would never engage with anything sexual. She'd be like, I'm masturbating. You'd be like, speaking of pregnancy, uh, Nancy's having another kid. Like you would never engage in anything like sexual.

• 1:41:24Ryan Long?

  The grandmother treatment is the guy version of friend zone.

• 1:41:28Chris Williamson?

  But when does that get deployed? Who uses that ever?

• 1:41:31Ryan Long?

  I would say, uh, where do I deploy friend grandmother treatment? I would say a lot of people that are like your coworkers, for example.

• 1:41:36Chris Williamson?

  Right. Okay.

• 1:41:37Ryan Long?

  You know, like

• 1:41:38Chris Williamson?

  Of all of the female coworkers you've got.

• 1:41:39Ryan Long?

  I would say, okay, I'm, there's no, like, okay, I'm sure, listen, you're a good looking guy. Girls like you, obviously. I would imagine that if you show up to a city like Austin, there's plenty of girls that are like around that you would probably make a lot of enemies. If you just like ran through a bunch of the hot girls in a city. So you're smart enough to not do anything like that. You're not that guy anyway, but like

• 1:42:00Chris Williamson?

  Friends girlfriends, friends ex-girlfriend.

• 1:42:01Ryan Long?

  Whatever, shit like that. Exactly. Right? So you, so you would probably just not do that stuff because, or

• 1:42:07Chris Williamson?

  Friends ex-girlfriend. That's actually a really fucking good one. So

• 1:42:10Ryan Long?

  So you would treat them like the way you treat your grandmother.

• 1:42:12Chris Williamson?

  That's so funny. You're actually really right. I'm now starting to find like little pockets of, of girls that fit into that. Friends ex-girlfriends are a big one, like

• 1:42:19Ryan Long?

  Friends ex-girlfriends is the perfect grandmother treatment and you get ultimate grandmother treatment. You're very pleasant to them.

• 1:42:24Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:25Ryan Long?

  You're very nice.

• 1:42:25Chris Williamson?

  Basically sort of

• 1:42:26Ryan Long?

  You might be overly nice to them.

• 1:42:27Chris Williamson?

  You've detached your penis and like left it outside.

• 1:42:29Ryan Long?

  The penis is not in the, yes, it's so gone.

• 1:42:32Chris Williamson?

  You're actually

• 1:42:34Ryan Long?

  And opinions, you might not tell them opinions either.

• 1:42:36Chris Williamson?

  So the grandmother treatment is gay best friend. That's basically what you're trying to position yourself as.

• 1:42:41Ryan Long?

  Yes.

• 1:42:42Chris Williamson?

  You're like talking about, oh, your hair looks lovely and like, isn't it nice outside?

• 1:42:46Ryan Long?

  Gay best friend would probably drift into the, no.

• 1:42:51Ryan Long?

  Your hair looks lovely, but if she ever said she, okay, if you're, if your grandmother, ex-friend or if she was like, gave you a really extreme political opinion, right? And it could be, it could literally be like, uh, you know, like this Hitler guy is actually the man, you'd be like, everyone has good points, like there's no way, you're not engaging.

• 1:43:10Chris Williamson?

  You just don't engage at all with anything. Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. Yeah, there was a, a time when I was in the gym not too long ago and one of my friend's ex-girlfriends, uh, like had this crop top thing on and took a crop top off, huge fake boobs. One nipple was out and I was like, fucking hot day today, isn't it? And like, we seen there's a dog over there and I didn't even tell her, I was like, I'm gonna let someone else, I'm gonna let somebody else sort of, she walks away. That was like a bad friend thing to do, but it was like the, almost the secondhand sort of grandmother, like I can't, I can't not.

• 1:43:42Ryan Long?

  I can't, I, there's no, I don't want anyone to know that I've seen your boob. I don't want you to know, I don't want me to know, I definitely don't want to dress it.

• 1:43:49Chris Williamson?

  Single titty, one, one titty that's out, but no, that's a really, that's a really great point. The friend zone thing is so, I mean, it's become like.

• 1:43:57Ryan Long?

  Cause people, yeah, they go, oh, what's the female equivalent? That's what it is, in my opinion.

• 1:44:00Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, friends, ex-girlfriends and current friends, girlfriends and shit like that. And like the orbit of thing or like people that your boys, you know that your boy fancies her. So you're like, I'm fucking, I gotta do this.

• 1:44:13Ryan Long?

  The only thing you're talking about is how sick he is.

• 1:44:18Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, the gay best friend thing comes in again.

• 1:44:19Ryan Long?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:20Chris Williamson?

  Dude, great cock.

• 1:44:21Ryan Long?

  Uh, one kind of other quick one, just about that was, there was sort of, I was thinking about, I, there's this girl that I knew that she said, she was like, uh, I knew the girl and the guy and they were friends forever and, um, then they were, then they ended up being together, but they've been friends for six years and someone was like, why were you, uh, what took you so long? And she goes, honestly, it never even crossed my mind. And I was like, that like stuck with me where I was like. No guys, you know, it crossed his mind. You know what I mean? Like, no guys known a woman for six years and it's like, it's never crossed your mind. And I was thinking about, I think that like men treat our thoughts like a, men treat our thoughts sort of like a friend that's a piece of shit. That's like, yo, you should try to fuck that girl.

• 1:45:04Ryan Long?

  And you're like, no, we're not, they're not doing that. He's like, yo, we should party tonight. You're like, I told you I'm having like three beers like, and women treat their brains like an abusive ex boyfriend and they defend it. Cause they'll write about like articles being like, it's actually pretty reasonable to be drunk texting your ex. So.

• 1:45:27Ryan Long?

  So because guys thoughts are more aggressive. So they're like, yo, do all, and you're like, we know.

• 1:45:33Chris Williamson?

  We can't let that out.

• 1:45:34Ryan Long?

  We don't defend our own brain because we're like, this guy's, this guy's too much, man.

• 1:45:38Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:38Ryan Long?

  Like, whereas girls, like, they defend their thoughts like, there's not, I'm not weird for thinking this.

• 1:45:46Ryan Long?

  Nothing wrong with.

• 1:45:47Chris Williamson?

  Your best friend's brother actually could be the right guy for you.

• 1:45:50Ryan Long?

  Yeah, they write the article defending the crazy shit that they're thinking.

• 1:45:53Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 1:45:54Ryan Long?

  So that's my other one.

• 1:45:56Chris Williamson?

  Dude, I think that the, I can't stop thinking about that grandmother thing.

• 1:46:00Ryan Long?

  Grandmother treatment.

• 1:46:01Chris Williamson?

  Fucking real.

• 1:46:03Ryan Long?

  I'm kind of, I, you know what? I had a old saying that me and my friends used to say forever that just came back. It's kind of just from grandmother treatment reminds me of it, but not related. But I said, we used to always joke that when, um, like, you know, if you're dating a girl and it's been like three or four months and she's kind of like, what is this? We used to always say our one friend was an expert at it. You play the groggy tired guy where you're kind of like, oh, maybe like talk about this tomorrow. It's kind of like, like an employee or like an employee being like, you know, we're, we're going to talk about the raise. You're like, I don't know, you know, what time is it even like? You basically act like you're really groggy. Like in the morning, like, Kay, fuck it. No, I'm down to have this conversation. I was fucking like.

• 1:46:43Chris Williamson?

  Very forgetful.

• 1:46:44Ryan Long?

  Yeah, you act like you're just so groggy, right? And remember we said our one friend was like always looking groggy. So he could never get into like, you know, he'd never get tricked into a relationship because he's so groggy. But it's like a joke we used to say, but then I was watching like, uh, interview. I was watching a lot of the like, uh, stuff, the interviews with rappers when I was getting into the Drake and Kendrick stuff. Because I'm from Toronto and I was saying all rappers do the groggy tired guy to every question. Like if you watch like No Jumper, like Adam tried doing stuff and they'll be like, you know, where were you the night of this? And he's like, fucking, I don't even, yo, why you asking what? Like every rapper dodges every question by doing the groggy tired man. I was like, it's kind of brilliant. You dodge every question and you act.

• 1:47:24Chris Williamson?

  Like pretending like you're not in the room.

• 1:47:26Ryan Long?

  Yeah, you're like, what? I don't even, I barely know my name right now. Like, hey, I can't, that seems like a lot for, I don't.

• 1:47:35Chris Williamson?

  What do you think, speaking of the rapper beef? I, uh, I really didn't pay, haven't paid anywhere near enough attention to the P Diddy stuff. I, I know that, I know the outline of the story. We don't need to, we don't need to do a 30,000 foot view of a thousand bottles of blue.

• 1:47:48Ryan Long?

  Been a lot of them done too.

• 1:47:49Chris Williamson?

  Um, is that in any way linked to rap worlds, the rap world? Or is it all just culture and like weird sex party stuff? Or is it going to end up being that he was looped in with some other rapper that ended?

• 1:48:02Ryan Long?

  Depends who you ask, man. If you ask the rapper.

• 1:48:04Chris Williamson?

  I don't know how deep the fucking rabbit hole of this goes.

• 1:48:06Ryan Long?

  I mean, there's always that community that's just like, all of Hollywood and rap is trying to make black dudes banged guys, right?

• 1:48:15Chris Williamson?

  You were the first person to ever teach me about this when we were texting about the Cat Williams thing.

• 1:48:19Ryan Long?

  Oh, you didn't know about that?

• 1:48:20Chris Williamson?

  I didn't know. And you were like, oh, this is the meme of Hollywood that Hollywood just tries to put black men in dresses.

• 1:48:25Ryan Long?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:25Chris Williamson?

  And I, I texted him, I was like, what? You're like, well, you, you mean, you don't know? Like this is the meme.

• 1:48:33Ryan Long?

  Yeah, right. Cause.

• 1:48:34Chris Williamson?

  I had no idea.

• 1:48:35Ryan Long?

  Written, it's not a thing.

• 1:48:36Chris Williamson?

  I had no idea that, but that's, this is maybe a further continuing. So P Diddy.

• 1:48:41Ryan Long?

  Well, it's like every comedian, they're like, they always make them in a dress and Chappelle said it and Cat Williams and Dick Gregory was like, if you watch Dick Gregory, like he has these old videos on, you know, YouTube and it's just like, I, I mean, I'm sure there's, you know, like anything, there's some truth to it and not truth. But it's literally like every move that was ever made in history is to make me suck a dick. Like, you know what I mean? Like it goes deep, right? And to me, as a white guy, like. Obviously, I find, you know, I find guys in dresses funny. I find, you know, gay shit funny. So when they're, you know, they're always saying this and they're like, they're always trying to make black guys in dresses. I'm like, every one of my comedian friends is also wearing dress. You're like, you're like, no, we're, we're wearing them too.

• 1:49:22Ryan Long?

  Like, you know, but I guess it's, it's white. I think what it is, is like white and Jewish, like Hollywood writers, writing white sensibilities for, you know, black guys that are like, they don't realize that like, yo, this guy's gonna get killed if he does that. Like, the same way that right now, if you're like, hey, if I go out, if you're just like a normal commentator, that's like, you know, maybe associated with like the UFC or something, but you're not like a political guy, coming out and being like, you gotta get vaxxed and you got, you know, just like maybe all that stuff. You're like, you do realize this, this isn't like free for me. Like, these opinions have like a lot of weight in the communities that I'm part of. And I think that, you know, feminizing yourself to like black culture, they're like, that's the number one, you sold out shit, right?

• 1:50:02Ryan Long?

  So they see it as like, I'm sure there's both. And maybe there is some, you know, control components, but I think a lot of it is like, you know, writers that are guys like me, writing stuff for, you know, black guys and being like, yeah, and then you guys fucking kiss without realizing that they're like, yo, his community is gonna like obliterate him if he does that. So I think some of it's that.

• 1:50:21Chris Williamson?

  You know what it carries the weight of with all of the, it is a, the, again, I totally didn't realize, and I said this to you when I watched the Cat Williams thing. Like, it is, you know, when you hear somebody that's speaking, a Mexican person or whatever, like an Asian person or whatever, that's speaking your language, but the way that they speak, like the pacing that they speak at and the cadence and the accent and the pronunciation of the word, everything, you kind of need to tune an old radio in and you're like,

• 1:50:51Chris Williamson?

  oh, there we are, there we are, I'm fucking in. And, um, it's like that, it was like listening to Cat Williams on, uh, Club Shake. I'm like, what? There it is.

• 1:51:02Ryan Long?

  Yeah, then you click in.

• 1:51:03Chris Williamson?

  I'm not trying to beat match. I'm DJ trying to beat match and I'm phasing, phasing it up. I'm, I'm, I'm out of phase. Ah, there it is. I'm locked in. It just took, it just took time for me to, to really get it. And, uh, And then you realize, oh, this is an entire other world. This is, the references are different, the people they're talking about are different, the way they're talking about things.

• 1:51:23Ryan Long?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:23Chris Williamson?

  Their assumptions about the world are different. And you go like, shock, horror person from different culture has different worldview than you. Like, who's surprised by this? Nobody. But I think it was one of the first.

• 1:51:33Ryan Long?

  And it's a different culture in a different culture because you're not even American.

• 1:51:36Chris Williamson?

  Double different culture. But I think, and I keep talking about this, when you're an immigrant in a country that speaks the language that you speak, you're off the knickknacks.

• 1:51:48Ryan Long?

  No, I have knickknacks.

• 1:51:49Chris Williamson?

  You've spat.

• 1:51:51Ryan Long?

  Dude, I'm loving these, by the way. We have them in our studio.

• 1:51:54Chris Williamson?

  Good.

• 1:51:55Ryan Long?

  We have them on our, on our show all the time.

• 1:51:57Chris Williamson?

  You're on the rotation.

• 1:51:58Ryan Long?

  The voice guy.

• 1:51:58Chris Williamson?

  Between Nutonic and knickknack.

• 1:52:00Ryan Long?

  Yeah, Danny loves them too.

• 1:52:01Chris Williamson?

  Stimulated. When you're an immigrant in a country that speaks the same language that you do, you forget that you're an immigrant. Because if you're in, again, Guatemala or fucking France or something, you know, you're permanently reminded of the fact that you're not from there. But when everybody understands you, it kind of creeps up on you. And then every so often, you try to use some cultural artifact or history thing, or, you know, somebody from your pop culture in your past or whatever. And you go, oh, I can't, I can't, I can't use that. I can't say that thing. I need to say, so that's kind of like, you know, Bill Cosby or like, you know, fucking Kool-Aid or whatever. And you think, what is the thing that I think?

• 1:52:43Ryan Long?

  I want to hear your Queen Elizabeth references.

• 1:52:45Chris Williamson?

  Exactly, yeah. No one gets my battle of Hastings, like, talking points. So, very much with that.

• 1:52:52Ryan Long?

  Bill Burr had a thing once where he said, he goes, the number one, or I think it was Bill Burr, but it might've been someone else. But he was like, the number one way to start sounding old in your comedy is your references are dated. And it was like, it might've been Chris Rock, actually, one of those guys. But, uh, yeah, he was basically like, that's, you know, it's like, it's crazy the extent to which like, old things are just relevant, but you just gotta change a few words.

• 1:53:15Chris Williamson?

  Hmm, yeah, but, so, listening to.

• 1:53:18Ryan Long?

  Change Britney Spears to Taylor Swift, like, you know what I mean?

• 1:53:21Chris Williamson?

  It's basically the same talking points, though. I mean, Britney Spears.

• 1:53:26Chris Williamson?

  It's been a little while since she's popped up on my timeline, but my God, that period where she like got access to her phone back again. And it looked all kind of serial killer-y, but it was an iPhone five or something. And you go, Brittany, like, if you're gonna do dances in the, like, entrance hallway to your mansion, don't record it on a potato.

• 1:53:44Ryan Long?

  I had a bit of a contrarian view on that. And I want to go back to the, the, the British thing, because I actually listened to your interview with that British guy talking about the differences. And I thought it was really cool. But the Brittany thing, I was thinking, and I'm like you, was like that where, you know, I was, I felt I was in the mob. Everyone's like, free this woman, you know? And then she got her phone back and everyone was like, maybe she'll be back in the thing, right? And it was just like, and then I remember a guy that I know tweeted, he was like, we should have never freed her. I go, what do you mean, we? Like, like, do you think that you, like, that's how fucking, that's what internet does to us. Like, you're a guy being like,

• 1:54:20Ryan Long?

  I should have never let Brittany out, like, back in the dungeon with her. And I was also like, if showing your tits on camera gets you put back in your dungeon, like, I got news for half this country. So I was kind of laughing at like, I also was that.

• 1:54:34Chris Williamson?

  Self-importance.

• 1:54:35Ryan Long?

  Yeah, yeah. You're kind of like, ah, we shouldn't have, like, what the, we, like, yeah, we are all part of the mob and like.

• 1:54:41Chris Williamson?

  What were you thinking about the UK?

• 1:54:43Ryan Long?

  I just thought it was interesting, like, when you, the main things you were saying about how, um, you know, you'll have, of, why are people more successful here? What is it about that? And it was, you know, you were saying, there's a lot of funny people in Britain. Why are all the comedians here? And there's this element of, you know, the crabs in a bucket of like, oh yeah, you're gonna go be a fucking famous, like, that's who you think, oh yeah? Like, you think you're like, oh, and you're, that is a funny instinct. And a lot of the better people have that instinct of being like, oh, you think you're so good? So how do you, you know, how do you, uh, you know, remove that, like, uh, you know, shame? And find the balance of, you know, how do you find the, there's kind of two things.

• 1:55:25Ryan Long?

  One is if you, if you be too nuanced, you won't ever say anything, right? Also, if you be too cool, you'll never say anything, right? If you're like too cool for everything and too nuanced for everything and like, and then also like, you never, you're too cool to fail, which means you never try anything.

• 1:55:44Chris Williamson?

  Yep.

• 1:55:44Ryan Long?

  And I think that's. You know, it's a lot of that too, right?

• 1:55:47Chris Williamson?

  Too much care and attention and not enough care and attention.

• 1:55:50Ryan Long?

  And too much pride, you know, like there's pride.

• 1:55:52Chris Williamson?

  It's funny that the self deprecation and the sort of sardonic wits and the sort of cutting elements of British culture are awesome, but they're also, they cause you to be in stasis because you're so fucking terrified of doing anything in case people take the piss.

• 1:56:07Ryan Long?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:07Chris Williamson?

  The very thing that makes you potentially funny is also the very thing that makes you terrified of trying to be funny.

• 1:56:13Ryan Long?

  It also makes you a pussy. Like, you know what I mean? And I don't just mean you. I mean, like, I mean, you know, me or, you know, British commentators, a lot of times I see that. It's like, yeah, but so sometimes it can make you like not bold.

• 1:56:25Chris Williamson?

  Well, that's why, that's why someone like a Piers Morgan, for instance, is a bit of an outlier. Like, you don't have a massive number of people that have gone, like, most British people, if you're going to get them and port them over and they're going to do that kind of thing, are going to be James Corden. They're not going to be Piers Morgan, right? Piers Morgan just fucking, he'll fight you on the beaches and he'll like hold your feet to the fire. And Ben Shapiro, you and your gun rights, like, what, 15 years ago, that, that debate was had and they still doing it. Now it's about Hamas or it's about Ukraine or it's about P Diddy or it's about whatever. Like, he's just still wielding a big flame sword. He did it in the US. He did it in the UK again. You go, huh, yeah, that's it. Ricky Gervais, like, just overcame the concern about it and then goes and just scorches, what was it, the Oscars or the Golden Globe?

• 1:57:10Ryan Long?

  Yeah, the Hollywood's Oscars, yeah.

• 1:57:11Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, that he did that with and you go, oh, okay, that's what happens when someone's able to retain their ability to be cutting, but reaches escape velocity to get out from the self doubt.

• 1:57:20Ryan Long?

  And he still has his Britishness in him. Like, he's, you know, in a way, he, you know, kind of disappears for a bit and then comes back. Like, he doesn't seem like he's, you know, lives kind of a modest life. He doesn't have this like, why am I not a movie star? Because to be honest, there could be that. Like, why am I, you know, why didn't I become Jim Carrey? Like, you know, he might, he could easily have that attitude, but he kind of is like, no, I'm, you know, happy with my lot and whatever, which is in some ways British.

• 1:57:45Chris Williamson?

  Very British.

• 1:57:46Ryan Long?

  Cultures in America go start, go from like, oh, here's a new thing to like, every variation of this has been corporatized within like, it's corporatized and sold within like two years.

• 1:57:59Chris Williamson?

  Well, like.

• 1:58:00Ryan Long?

  What would be an example of that?

• 1:58:01Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:06Ryan Long?

  Um, okay. I'll, I'll, I'll pick a comedy thing and then I'll pick a like business thing. In comedy, I would say crowd work would be an example of where comedians kind of realize that, oh, like doing crowd work would be like a good way and people like it and it works well with algorithms, right? And I think that like people from where I'm from, people from, you know, London have a little bit of like, yeah, I'll do a bit of that, but I'm not gonna, you know, whereas in America, it was just like, within a year, you saw every person be like, this is my whole thing. To the point, it got to the point where people were like, almost sick of seeing it. That took a year.

• 1:58:40Chris Williamson?

  Right. The meme cycle was in and out in the space. It like Jimmy Carr's done it, it blew up, let's try it, intro it, get too much, and then it's old.

• 1:58:48Ryan Long?

  Yeah. And you could say that with like a genre of, you know, uh, reality shows, you know? I would say-

• 1:58:55Chris Williamson?

  Well, superhero movies, right? How long did it go from Iron Man one, like 2006, 2008, something like that, to Avengers Endgame? And then after that, like Thor four, he's doing Jean-Claude Van Damme splits over a set of lorries.

• 1:59:13Ryan Long?

  Sure.

• 1:59:13Chris Williamson?

  So there's this cool, um, critical drinker, do you know him, the sweary Scottish guy? Uh, he taught me about this, it's pretty cool. There's four phases, I think, to any media movement. I think it tracks with what you're talking about here as well. So I think there's, um, introduction, uh, growth, maturity, and parody. And it starts off, starts off with something that's new, it's groundbreaking, let's say it's Iron Man, no one's ever seen this before, it's like slick and sexy as a superhero, it's kind of not as dark as all the DC shit. And then the growth, you end up, uh, still sort of building on what you've done previously, that's like Iron Man two and three, you've got like, uh, Captain America, you've got Ant-Man, you've got all of these other bits and pieces. Then you've got maturity, which is, we kind of know what to expect now, it's not so much

• 1:59:57Chris Williamson?

  about, uh, further establishing ourselves, it's about like rinse and repeat, it feels comfortable. But then you've got parody. When you get to parody, that's when you're in decline. And that's when Chris Hemsworth is made to be the butt of every joke, he's kind of this big lumbering idiot, he's a caricature of himself when he was in-

• 2:00:14Ryan Long?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:15Chris Williamson?

  -intro, growth, and maturity. And he is, the joke, the joke is, everything's meta, nothing's actually about the thing. We've seen this with Suicide Squad, that you have to make a movie-

• 2:00:27Chris Williamson?

  About superheroes, about bad guys, because it can't just be good looking man or woman has good intentions, overcomes difficult things and saves the world. No, it has to be this weird upside down meta commentary.

• 2:00:41Ryan Long?

  And you know how quickly it moves in America? That people are left still doing the parody when the thing doesn't exist anymore.

• 2:00:48Chris Williamson?

  It's dead and they're still flogging this fuck.

• 2:00:50Ryan Long?

  But that's only, that's like, that doesn't happen in other places because the thing's gone for so long.

• 2:00:55Chris Williamson?

  So that's the corporatized squeezing and.

• 2:00:58Ryan Long?

  Yeah. Do you remember when, how many, like, I'm always, one of my favorites is like every comedian doing, and I love doing it too. It's almost become its own genre, but like the old school cop, like, Riggs, you know, I'm getting too old for this shit. Like, you know that? It was like, no one's making those movies, but everyone's making parodies of those movies. So the things comes and goes so quick that the parody out lives like the.

• 2:01:18Chris Williamson?

  That's.

• 2:01:19Ryan Long?

  You go, you're making fun of something that doesn't exist.

• 2:01:21Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, but everybody knows, everybody knows about the parody.

• 2:01:24Ryan Long?

  That's a quick things move.

• 2:01:26Chris Williamson?

  The parody phase was longer than the lifespan of the actual thing.

• 2:01:28Ryan Long?

  And there's so many things kind of like that.

• 2:01:30Chris Williamson?

  Yes. What was your one business?

• 2:01:32Ryan Long?

  You know, emo or like genres of music that are like for four years, that's all you ever heard about.

• 2:01:37Chris Williamson?

  Sleep Token t-shirt.

• 2:01:38Ryan Long?

  Oh yeah. You're into that stuff. I didn't know.

• 2:01:39Chris Williamson?

  Right. Do you still listen to ska?

• 2:01:42Ryan Long?

  No, I was like a punk guy, but like, uh, which if, when I was growing up, like rancid was kind of like, in my opinion.

• 2:01:48Chris Williamson?

  You and Huberman.

• 2:01:49Ryan Long?

  They were, yeah, yeah. I kind of like all the same shit as Huberman. But he was, that, when that band came out, I think they were like very like defining. And they had a bit of like, you know, that kind of like British punk and ska influence. Then ska with the Boston stones and everything really took over and I kind of liked that stuff. But I was more into the kind of that, the rancid, like to me, that would be like the coolest band of my generation.

• 2:02:11Chris Williamson?

  Hmm. Yeah, I've decided, decided that I'm going to start dressing like 15 year old me would have wished that he could have dressed. If there was no, if he had an unlimited budget for t-shirts, like $25 t-shirts.

• 2:02:23Ryan Long?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:23Chris Williamson?

  So I'm like in neck deep and Polaris and fucking Bad Omens and Sleep Token and Bring Me The Horizon. I'm like slowly trying to accumulate like all of the bands that I still listen to and used to listen to. I did this in a, you remember Silverstein?

• 2:02:36Ryan Long?

  Yeah, you're like, why don't I just go buy $400 worth of t-shirts?

• 2:02:39Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, and that's gonna last me for the next like year and a half, but it's kind of, you know, I'll treat myself.

• 2:02:43Ryan Long?

  Silverstein? Yeah, they're Canadian.

• 2:02:44Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So discovering the waterfront, that the original, original, original record, I managed to find one of those t-shirts, like olive green with pink. And I was like, I am, I don't care how much this cost. It was $35. I was like, it could have been $350 and I was gonna buy that t-shirt because it was like something from 20 years ago that meant a lot to me. Bought it, wore it. I'm like, I fucking love this. It's so cool.

• 2:03:06Ryan Long?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:03:07Chris Williamson?

  But you were like band t-shirts too.

• 2:03:09Ryan Long?

  Yeah, I wear band t-shirts. Yeah.

• 2:03:11Chris Williamson?

  Shit. Funny.

• 2:03:13Ryan Long?

  Sometimes I'll think of that. Like, sometimes it'll be like, a lot of times I'll be, what one thing that'll happen now is, a lot of the bands that I was so like involved in music that I'm a lot of these people I'm friends with, right? And then or it'll be like, I'll talk about something and then the guy will like it and message me and we'll start talking. And then when that happens, I'll be like, you know what? Let me go buy a couple of their shirts. So then I'll just go to their merch store and like buy a few shirts. Yeah.

• 2:03:36Chris Williamson?

  That's pretty sweet.

• 2:03:36Ryan Long?

  It's actually my special I just did. That was like a pretty popular, like, you know, kind of like punk reggae band from Canada called Ill Scarlet. And they had a couple of like pretty big hits and he's like a good friend of mine. And I actually wanted to put their song on my special.

• 2:03:51Chris Williamson?

  And that would have got popped for copyright.

• 2:03:54Ryan Long?

  Yeah, exactly. It was a Sony song. I knew I wasn't gonna be able to do it, but I didn't realize the extent to which it was gonna be like the nightmare of my life for three months. Trying to get that song cleared.

• 2:04:03Chris Williamson?

  You're kidding.

• 2:04:03Ryan Long?

  It was a nightmare. And the guy was like, I'm trying to make it out. He was swab. He's like a buddy of mine. He was trying to make that happen too.

• 2:04:12Chris Williamson?

  So you, that's what you ended up using? Cause it is a kind of scar.

• 2:04:15Ryan Long?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a, yeah. That was like a very, very popular.

• 2:04:18Chris Williamson?

  For the people that don't know, I guess, if you don't make YouTube videos, why would you? You have to get sort of special dispensation to be able to use copyrighted music in your videos if you want to monetize them.

• 2:04:28Ryan Long?

  Yeah, good luck.

• 2:04:29Chris Williamson?

  I think, yeah, well, cause you're basically allowing, it would be like Sony going, hey, have some of our money. You go, dude, this is.

• 2:04:36Ryan Long?

  I was trying to pay them.

• 2:04:37Chris Williamson?

  It's 20 seconds out of an hour and 20 second comedy special. It's the intro music to something that's taken me two years to write. I'm not, people aren't coming and going, wow, I can't wait to re-listen to that 20 seconds. So I never stream that song from Sony directly again.

• 2:04:53Ryan Long?

  Sure, yeah. I mean, that's even 100% true, but even, and, and the band signed off on it, but like, they have a deal and that's the deal. But like, more importantly than that, I wasn't trying to do this for free. I was trying to pay for it.

• 2:05:07Chris Williamson?

  Take my money. Please take my money.

• 2:05:09Ryan Long?

  You know, they'd put me on to some guy, he would put me on to some guy, he put me on to some guy, that guy would take a week. Like, it probably like, took me like four or five weeks of like, badgering people to like, just get someone that would talk to me.

• 2:05:21Chris Williamson?

  Well, I suppose that shows just how rare it is for anybody to use licensed music on YouTube, which kind of sucks.

• 2:05:28Ryan Long?

  Maybe that's part of it too, or maybe like, they see it as like, you know, uh, small potatoes.

• 2:05:36Chris Williamson?

  Oh, right. If fucking Dave Chappelle had come and had like a million, he was my first special on YouTube and you go, oh my God, it's gonna do 200 million plays.

• 2:05:43Ryan Long?

  Yeah, maybe I could have got someone's attention a little easier.

• 2:05:45Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:46Ryan Long?

  Or, or, you know, maybe, maybe the song, maybe the thing, whatever.

• 2:05:50Chris Williamson?

  Right, okay, yeah. How many people are bothered about this particular, whereas if.

• 2:05:54Ryan Long?

  Do they have someone that's even like dealing with their files right now?

• 2:05:56Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, if Kamala comes and says, we want Taylor Swift to be our new campaign thing and it's gonna be the front and center. Okay, this is like two big deals.

• 2:06:03Ryan Long?

  Either way, it was a nightmare, but I'm glad I got it figured out.

• 2:06:07Chris Williamson?

  That's good. Yeah, we used a, an MGK cover, um, for a vlog recently. And I, I didn't realize it's because you need, you want to monetize the video. If you don't monetize the video, I think you can get away with it like significantly more easily. But it's that they don't need to nab any of the ad sense from them. And, uh, a bunch of people messaged, like, dude, how did you use MGK? Like, do you know MGK? Like, well, he's like a friend's friend, but I just think turn ads off. If you turn ads off.

• 2:06:37Ryan Long?

  You can do it.

• 2:06:38Chris Williamson?

  Everything gets fixed. You could use like whatever, Queen and fucking Michael Jackson.

• 2:06:41Ryan Long?

  The problem with that for my specific thing is I needed to make sure that it wasn't gonna get flagged.

• 2:06:47Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 2:06:47Ryan Long?

  So you need to look at the monetization to find that, but you can't, because you don't have that, if it, if it's, if it's someone else.

• 2:06:52Chris Williamson?

  Soon as you turn it on, game off.

• 2:06:54Ryan Long?

  So I couldn't look to find out if I was getting flagged, which I needed. So that's why I needed to have this cleared properly so I could do it. Do you look at, uh, I have a, I have a buddy that, he runs The Hard Times, uh, the website, the funny comedy website, and I used to do stuff with them and, um. He, he, he's, he's like a entrepreneur and he's like, you know, built and sold some successful companies and stuff like that, but everything he does is back to like punk, like, you know, he'll be like in these meetings with like really high end people and he'll tell me about them and it's always funny to me. He'll be like, you know, oh yeah, it's like kind of like when you're selling T-shirts, like everything's back to like punk tours to him, right? And I kind of feel like that, like I kind of look at everything like a little like music, which is why I look things maybe different than a lot of comedians, even though

• 2:07:37Ryan Long?

  I've been doing this for 15 years and way longer than the other stuff, but it's okay. So my question is, do you look at like everything kind of like club promoting a little bit?

• 2:07:46Chris Williamson?

  Correct.

• 2:07:46Ryan Long?

  Yeah, like.

• 2:07:47Chris Williamson?

  All the time.

• 2:07:48Ryan Long?

  You're the one thing you, yeah.

• 2:07:49Chris Williamson?

  All the time. It was the only thing, it's like, what do you know best? You know how, um, there's a rule, I need to learn this, I keep meaning to bring it up. There's something that happens between the ages of 12 and 17, the music that you listen to when you're going through puberty is like ossified, it's locked in, concretized in you for the rest of your life. You will always, it seems on average, have a warm place in your heart for the music that you listen to during that period. And maybe it's because of what you were going through as life experiences, or maybe it's something to do with brain development at that time.

• 2:08:22Ryan Long?

  Well, my theory is what I said earlier, which is that, well, you're actually a part of the culture that created it and you'll never have that again.

• 2:08:29Chris Williamson?

  But what if there's a guy who's 35 when you're 35, making music for people that are 35? Does that not mean that you would be part of that culture there? There's something like.

• 2:08:37Ryan Long?

  I wouldn't call that a culture.

• 2:08:39Chris Williamson?

  Because old people don't have culture?

• 2:08:41Ryan Long?

  Kind of, no. I mean, that's a little bit true. They might have like thought culture, but like, I don't think that, to be honest, I don't think that they really do have like music and fashion culture. That is like a young man's game.

• 2:08:53Chris Williamson?

  Your identity gets captured in it.

• 2:08:55Ryan Long?

  You can be like a popular artist, but if, if you, if you have a culture, it's young people, like, well, you convinced a hundred, a bunch of 35 year olds to change their entire identity to like. People don't like change their identity really at that point, you know what I mean?

• 2:09:09Chris Williamson?

  That's a good point.

• 2:09:09Ryan Long?

  And start dressing a different way and you know.

• 2:09:11Chris Williamson?

  So in the same way as that happens with music, when you're young, I think that whatever the first thing that you learn to sort of frame the world, especially the world of business, networking, social networks, stuff like that, whatever that is, you just sort of, I'm sure if you were a trader, if me and you had been traders, straight out of college or whatever, like right, working at Goldman Sachs, the 80 hour weeks and the three grand bags of cocaine. And you go, for the rest of your life, you would just be talking about free alpha and you know, like, there's a lot of volatility in the system today. You just use.

• 2:09:42Ryan Long?

  I do that a little now, but yeah, I know, of course I get your point.

• 2:09:44Chris Williamson?

  You would have that as the frame. So I guess that's a.

• 2:09:48Ryan Long?

  Well, the lessons are all like universal, but you need to plug in like, you know, it's just like, if you're teaching math to someone, it's like, you know, what's the thing? You're like, okay, this guy's selling apples, like so.

• 2:09:58Chris Williamson?

  Give me a fucking analogy.

• 2:09:59Ryan Long?

  Yeah. So every, you need, you need kind of like, yeah, a world, a world that you have, you funnel every lesson through in some way, because the lessons are somewhat universal, I guess, right?

• 2:10:09Chris Williamson?

  Almost everything is, how can we make this queue look longer? Which is basically, how can you make something look more popular than it is if you need to play with that level of popularity? So in, in nightclubs, the length of the queue is indicative of how busy and popular the event is, but the length of the queue is determined more by the width of the queue than the number of people in it. So you can just make a longer queue by taking it from five people wide to three people wide. So if you push the barriers up against the wall, it makes the queue way longer. So we realized if we kept it two people wide, we only needed, we needed fewer door staff because they couldn't push as much. And it made the queue look fucking massive.

• 2:10:44Ryan Long?

  So you're always kind of like, is this actually bigger or did they make it look bigger?

• 2:10:46Chris Williamson?

  Exactly, exactly. They just created this funnel that sort of squeezes stuff down. One of the other cool things that we did, there's this problem in the UK, nightclubs are open, pretty much everywhere until two or three in the morning in a city center. And a lot of the city centers have got residences that live there and not everyone is obviously a degenerate student that's supposed to be awake at that time. So noise abatement orders, as they're called, trying to reduce the number of like antisocial incidents that occur and the amount of noise that people make. So we were thinking, what is a way that we can get people into taxis quickly, shut them up and sober them up as they walk out of the door? One of the things that we decided was we're going to give like little kids lollies out, buckets, like good looking girls stood on the door with buckets of lollies.

• 2:11:31Chris Williamson?

  People would take them, put them in their mouth and they'd shut up. Because they had a lolly in their mouth and they're busy tasting this nice thing and everyone would just shut up. So we've managed to fix all of our noise abatement problems by just giving out, I've given away all of the secrets of my whole business here. Well, you're not doing it anymore. Oh yeah, my business partner is though, so you might still want them. Anyway, sorry Darren. But we gave those out and it sobered people up a little bit, got them into taxis more quickly. It was like all of these tiny little things. That's great. Yeah. So I'm always thinking about like, all right, what, what's one of the things that we can do to improve people's exit experience and make them behave in the way that we want. So like little bits and pieces like that. I mean, you do, comedians know this intuitively. You have a peak of the set and then you have an end of the set and often those two things are the same,

• 2:12:15Chris Williamson?

  right? You often finish on very strong jokes or one of the strongest jokes. Kind of like the classic, uh, uh, theory. Yeah. Um, but why? Well, it's because the way that human memory works when we're remembering experiences, the most emotionally intense and the last part of the experience are the two that stick in memory the most. So it's called the peak end rule. So, uh, Daniel Kahneman got super famous for, for this work. They got people to do, I think it was like colonoscopies or endoscopies or something. And they were able to track how long someone had, uh, been under this procedure and the amount of movement of the camera or whatever. More movement of the camera would mean more discomfort. So that should be higher pain. And obviously if

• 2:12:59Chris Williamson?

  it's over a longer period of time, people should also find it more uncomfortable because it's been more pain for longer, right? If pain is like intensity times duration. Okay. Uh, in retrospect. So first iteration of the study, they, uh, did this particular procedure, finished it and got people to rate in retrospect how painful it was. Second version of the study, they did the exact same procedure, but then just left the camera in for a while, a minute or a couple of minutes not moving. So there was significantly less pain at the end, even though objectively it had existed for longer. So it should be more, should be more uncomfortable, but. Retrospectively, people in the second group rated it way more comfortable than people

• 2:13:42Chris Williamson?

  in the first group, even though objectively it was more uncomfortable. Why? Well, because the end, which is one of the most important things that people remember about an experience, was the thing that they colored most of the experience with, which is the reason why comedians should finish on their best joke, bands should finish on their most popular song, nightclubs should ensure that the way that they finish a night is with everybody's hands in the air and all the rest of it. If you've got a kid that's scared of going to the dentist, what you shouldn't do is allow them to leave while they're still scared. You should leave them in there so that their lingering memory of that thing is the dentist-

• 2:14:14Ryan Long?

  That's actually a pretty good point.

• 2:14:15Chris Williamson?

  Dentist being nice, they give them a sticker. Do you ever get stickers when you went to the dentist?

• 2:14:18Ryan Long?

  Yeah, I think so.

• 2:14:19Chris Williamson?

  I'd like a little passbook thing, a little passbook, and each time I went in. So what is it? Well, you're excited because you have a sticker at the end. And, uh-

• 2:14:27Ryan Long?

  I don't think you could buy me off with a sticker, that's-

• 2:14:29Chris Williamson?

  You're too clever for that.

• 2:14:30Ryan Long?

  Yeah, you were a little easier to buy off.

• 2:14:33Chris Williamson?

  Peak, I want to look, dude, I was a simple British man. Peak Andrew, fucking, and every comedian uses it.

• 2:14:40Ryan Long?

  Yeah, it's, it's, uh, laws of nature like that that you want to sometimes fight against, but they don't, it is, I feel like, uh, the same as, you know, all the stuff you do, but in comedy, you also realize like how manipulatable the human brain is. And I'm sure like pick-up artists and stuff like that, you know, realize that's why they become cynical a little bit. But I always think the one that's funny to me is, you know, like, obviously you do, you know, three sets a night sometimes for, you know, 15 years or whatever it is. Like, you know, exactly like this was better, this was better, right? If, so I've had a few jokes where, um, kind of the, I did one of my special where I was kind of doing like a thing about pedophiles, if you remember. Um, and then I kind

• 2:15:23Ryan Long?

  of, the joke was like, oh, no, you guys don't want that. And then I kind of did something worse. And I'm like, okay, no one laughed at that. But I just say that, like, it actually gets a big laugh. I just say like, oh, nothing on, like, because the joke is I'm gonna keep doing something- I'm gonna keep, I just, it's like the joke is eventually that I just tricked you four times, right? But I've had a lot of people come up to me and being like, you know, they weren't, you know, obviously that crowd wasn't feeling that, but I thought that was the funniest part. And I'm like, yeah, everyone thought that. Like, I, I just said that, I just told you that no one was laughing. Everyone was actually laughing, but it's like, all it takes is for me to tell you like, oh, you guys don't like that one, eh? And everyone in their mind was like, oh, no one likes that one. And then they come up to me and be like, I don't know why no one liked that one.

• 2:16:06Ryan Long?

  I'm like, you were there, you heard everyone laugh, but then I told you that no one laughed. And in your mind, you were like, you, you left being, so you could, the opposite of that is you tell people like, oh yeah, you guys really liked that one, eh? And they were just like, oh, I guess that joke killed.

• 2:16:21Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 2:16:21Ryan Long?

  Like you just tell them how they thought about things a lot of times.

• 2:16:24Chris Williamson?

  We're having so much fun. Isn't this so great? I love being here. Well, I mean, it's the same as the-

• 2:16:28Ryan Long?

  This is really fun, eh? We're having a fun time.

• 2:16:30Chris Williamson?

  I gotta tell you guys, you know, Dallas, you have been the best crowd of this entire tour. It's like, hey, guess what? That's the, that's the script for everywhere. Why? Because it makes you feel special. I think there's a bit, uh, maybe this is just my only child syndrome coming through, but when I watch comedy, a lot of the time I think about the comedian and I think about my direct relationship with this person that doesn't know that I exist. And I think what you're playing into maybe a little bit, that total bro science theory. What you might be playing into is people's, cause all of my other ones are so well rounded.

• 2:17:00Ryan Long?

  A lot of good bro science theory, man.

• 2:17:01Chris Williamson?

  Um, I think that a good part of it is the audience really wants to feel like they're watching this person on stage, everybody's attention is on and is very admirable and competent and they respect them and they kind of wanna be that a little bit. And they're trying to find the bits of them that are like that, that are the center of attention, that are performance, that are superior. And if you tell people a thing that makes them feel like their realization was unique to them, like, oh, we don't like that, they don't, we don't like that joke. And you think to yourself, well, I did. And by liking it, I'm like, oh. I'm one of the chosen ones.

• 2:17:38Ryan Long?

  Yeah, I'm cool.

• 2:17:38Chris Williamson?

  I'm one of his crew. Yeah, I'm cool. I wonder whether it plays into that.

• 2:17:42Ryan Long?

  There's an old saying in art. I mean, I always just say everything's old saying. I don't know if it is old or not, but that it's like, you know, having an audience, a lot of times it's not about whether they like you. It's about whether they whether they want you to like them, you know? So if you have like an audience, like really, if you're really killing, it's not so much that they're like, I love this guy. What they really are thinking is like, I think he would like me. You know what I mean? Like, oh, this guy would like, this guy would like to hang out with me. And then they come out after you like, yo, you're just one of my buddy bodies. You would like, they, and so there's this kind of a weird dichotomy where it's like,

• 2:18:21Ryan Long?

  yeah, you're more, uh, so then, but if they want you to like them, like, cause they're like, oh, this guy would like, they want you to like them. And then all of a sudden, they're like, they find themselves like trying to get into it more because they like, want you to think they're cool.

• 2:18:33Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. So there's this guy, Mike Israetel, if you come across.

• 2:18:38Ryan Long?

  Yeah, we had him on our podcast.

• 2:18:39Chris Williamson?

  No fucking way. How was that?

• 2:18:41Ryan Long?

  Great. He's the best.

• 2:18:42Chris Williamson?

  Unreal. Okay. So Mike, Mike was telling me this story.

• 2:18:44Ryan Long?

  Funny dude.

• 2:18:45Chris Williamson?

  About why he learned game and pickup. And he said, one of the reasons was that when he, he used to be very intimidated by attractive women. And he just found himself not being able to be himself. So he'd be hanging out with them.

• 2:19:00Ryan Long?

  Yeah.

• 2:19:00Chris Williamson?

  Or whatever. And he'd be like laughing at jokes that aren't funny and like playing, like doing, he was like, who? Who is that? Like, who is stepping inside of my skin?

• 2:19:10Ryan Long?

  What the fuck? What are you doing, buddy?

• 2:19:11Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. And, and doing this thing. What? Which is because of you, because it does something. So he was getting warped by that. And I suppose it's not too dissimilar to the audience seeing the comedian that they want to like them. So like laughing, even giving more grace than they should to jokes that aren't that funny because they think, oh, well, I should make him like, if I like.

• 2:19:33Ryan Long?

  But it's yeah, subconscious. It's kind of, yeah, with the Mike Israetel thing too. I was thinking that with the red pill stuff, like I've, I think you've probably had this conversation, but you know, whether or not they have good points or bad points or whatever, but it's. It's kind of like there's the one central problem where for some guys, they they put two girls on too much of a pedestal, which is that, and then you aren't able to like not need them, which is like a very, you know, attractive thing for women is you don't need them. One of the ways to get there is to sleep with a ton of women. Now you have an abundance mindset.

• 2:20:03Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 2:20:04Ryan Long?

  One of the ways, but it's not the only way. So I think that's real. You know what I mean? It's kind of like, that is one path to solve that problem is like, do everything you can to like, get so good at women that now you've slept with a ton. And now it's like, oh, and now it's nothing.

• 2:20:16Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 2:20:17Ryan Long?

  But yeah, I think that the real answer is like, well, yeah, but you could also get there a different way.

• 2:20:22Chris Williamson?

  Talking about the edge cases thing, I think that a lot of the dating advice online, maybe not quite so much the red pill stuff, but some of it, but especially the black pill, more incel-y world, a lot of that is edge cases. It's guys that I think in the incel community, there's a 10x.

• 2:20:41Ryan Long?

  Incel community is a funny word.

• 2:20:42Chris Williamson?

  It exists. The community of incels, there's 10 times the normal rates of autism in there. Right? So what you're talking about is by design, a psychological, like a non-typical setup for men who are struggling with women. You go, this proves that women are this, that, and you go, well, you wouldn't say that for most other, you wouldn't say this proves that bicycles don't work because for people that have only got one leg, that is, you know, only a small portion of the population.

• 2:21:16Ryan Long?

  That's so funny saying they don't work. The girls, you're like, girls are broken.

• 2:21:19Chris Williamson?

  That's kind of, that's kind of it. That like the typical mating, that's what, that's what blue pill is. Blue pill is like, you believe the sort of Disney princess, the handsome, charming guy is going to get the girl and he just needs to play along and be nice and all that stuff. And, uh, yeah, it's, it's like, I think that much of dating advice is coming from edge cases, both for men and for women.

• 2:21:39Ryan Long?

  And it probably is gonna, it's always that way because you're like, who else needs it?

• 2:21:44Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. The people that are happily married, they're not trolling Reddit, looking for like, stories about how to get it back at her, that girl that broke your heart when you were this age. So yeah, it's, uh, the edge case thing is, is interesting.

• 2:21:58Ryan Long?

  Yeah, that 100%. I always kind of felt that there's. A lot of, there's a lot of, you know, even like when Jordan Peterson first came out, there was a part of it that I felt like he was really good at, you know, the make your bed, talking to the 5% people. But to me, I was kind of like, I was more attracted to advice that's like, okay, you're, you're pretty good at stuff. How to, how to get great. You know what I mean?

• 2:22:19Chris Williamson?

  So that-

• 2:22:20Ryan Long?

  As opposed to like how to get out of bed, which goes back to the, you know?

• 2:22:24Chris Williamson?

  That's a really interesting point because I've moved through the trajectory. I've been like each different-

• 2:22:28Ryan Long?

  Really?

• 2:22:29Chris Williamson?

  Level of like uselessness within the Jordan Peterson verse.

• 2:22:32Ryan Long?

  That's interesting.

• 2:22:32Chris Williamson?

  I went from fuck, I really need to hear that telling the truth is something very important. I'm basically a man child at 27.

• 2:22:39Ryan Long?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:39Chris Williamson?

  To, uh, he is interesting and I admire the way that he debates sort of these important topics to now, some of the stuff that you're talking about symbolically to do with religion and the collapse of the Western Judeo-Christian, I'm like, maybe just not for me anymore. And I don't listen to the old stuff quite so much either, but there's certain elements I really want to dig into. But it's, it's like how grading systems in fucking Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu work, right? Like you start off as a white belt and the techniques that you're learning as a white belt and the ways that you're using them when you're a black belt are very different. And that's what personal growth is. Now, for me, I needed the like, hey, fucking, tell the truth, stand up straight with your shoulders back, stop being such a pussy, like though, pick up a burden and carry it, whatever his thing was. That was a big deal. And then

• 2:23:23Chris Williamson?

  as you start to grow, you go, okay, I need to let that go. What you hope is that the person you're learning from is growing with you. And one of the problems that you have of, this is goes back to your, like, are you a part of a scene? Are you part of a trend thing?

• 2:23:36Chris Williamson?

  What I think an advantage that you have, if you are the same age as your audience, as a writer, as a poet, as an artist, as a singer, as a whatever, uh, is that you get to basically just be two steps ahead of where everybody that's consuming your shit is. And you just leave little breadcrumbs behind you, the way that you go. This would be the, the best older brother in the world, or older sister in the world.

• 2:23:58Ryan Long?

  Yeah. And if someone gets too far ahead, they leave. So it's like by design, it stays that way.

• 2:24:01Chris Williamson?

  Yes. So you, you're just sort of chugging along and-

• 2:24:04Ryan Long?

  That's a good, yeah. Best older brother is a good way to find. That's the good advice you're supposed to be finding. Yeah.

• 2:24:09Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. Like, here's a thing that I dealt with and oh, you're dealing with it now and you're like- Four years behind me or whatever, or 10 years behind me or something like that. And I remember what it used to be like to be like that. And these are the challenges that you're going to face. And I was in it too. And you go, fuck. But then as you keep.

• 2:24:24Ryan Long?

  Sometimes you just need someone to be like, you're not crazy for thinking about that. That is actually a real problem that you need to solve.

• 2:24:29Chris Williamson?

  Such a big part of it to just feel less lonely and like.

• 2:24:32Ryan Long?

  Well, I wouldn't even, that's true, but I wasn't even saying on the lonely thing. I was saying like, okay, here would be like a lot of, you know, tech and bro advice when it kind of started first popping off probably, you know, maybe 15 years ago, right? Spot you've taken over. But, you know, a lot of it was very, I remember, you know, when you're trying to build something and then you're kind of like, you know, how do you tell like someone you're dating that, you know, like, okay, can I slot, you know? Oh, do you want to hang out? Like, how about Thursday? And girl being like, you fucking slot me in. And you're, and in your mind, you're like, well, I can only run my life and like, you know, and you're just like, what? So you have like, oh, this is your mandatory like hanging out with me time for three hours like that.

• 2:25:12Ryan Long?

  And, and, and that would seem like an unsolvable problem that was kind of like, and I'd in some degree, probably written it off when I was younger to be in like, yeah, girls are a pain in the ass. Like that's really where I probably ended up on that. But then I think there was people talking about, you're like, yeah, duh. Like, if you're trying to build something, like people aren't going to be that receptive to it. Like, and you're going to have to figure out a way to like, make that, you know? And, and I'll tell you what the answer isn't. Explaining to them over and over like, you don't understand, this is important and you need to be understanding of how I, that's, that ain't the answer.

• 2:25:44Chris Williamson?

  No.

• 2:25:44Ryan Long?

  The answer is to sort of lie, not lie, but like you almost kind of figure out the way to do this in a way that's like respectful of how they're going to see it. And like, it's like a game, you're like, yeah, that's a hard equation and you need to like maneuver it. And it's like, or don't and stay where you are like.

• 2:26:00Chris Williamson?

  Correct.

• 2:26:00Ryan Long?

  Yeah. And it was like, but if you are going to try that, it's like building a company, it's not, oh, you want easy answer? You're like, no, this is hard. That actually is hard to do.

• 2:26:07Chris Williamson?

  There's that Thomas Sowell quote where he says, there are no solutions, only trade offs.

• 2:26:11Ryan Long?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:12Chris Williamson?

  Fucking, everything just comes back to that. So I was whining.

• 2:26:17Ryan Long?

  Want the money or the hooker?

• 2:26:18Chris Williamson?

  Correct.

• 2:26:18Ryan Long?

  Can't have both.

• 2:26:18Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, exactly. Unless you like kill her afterward, in which case.

• 2:26:22Ryan Long?

  Now we're talking.

• 2:26:24Chris Williamson?

  Speaking of that, there's this. YouTube channel, I think it's got maybe 3,000 subs. It's called T-Pallets. And one of my friends sent me it earlier on. He's just like some kid on the internet, but happens to be the best investigative journalist for internet shit ever. So this hasn't even broken, but this kid has done a ton of work. He just dropped a huge video on the Romanian mafia's links with Andrew Tate. And it's like geolocated on Google Maps. Is he saying Tate's tapped into the? They've left. They've, so Tate told, Tate said it himself that he was working with the Romanian mafia. That was why he started all of these casinos. With the gambling stuff? Yes. So that was why he started them.

• 2:27:07Chris Williamson?

  And this kid has like geolocated on Google Maps, worked out where they are, then done Romanian Facebook photo caption analysis to reverse engineer where all of these guys are. Then he looked at their tattoos to work out which one was the captain. And there's different shaped stars for different levels of lieutenant and general and all within the fucking Romanian mafia, like looking at Romanian police records and trying to like doing all of this shit. It's fucking wild. Sick. But this gang, so what he found out, they own all of these casinos and stuff. And it was mostly slot machines. It wasn't playing poker or whatever. And this gang, if someone won the jackpot, they would wait for them to collect their money. And when they went outside, just beat them up and take the money back. Oh, pretty good. Yeah, pretty good scam.

• 2:27:52Chris Williamson?

  Absolutely. Like flawless system. Yeah. So there was this one video of this dude who wins $110,000 in Romanian rupees or whatever it is. And the machine's going off and one of the attendants just comes over and unplugs the machine.

• 2:28:09Chris Williamson?

  Wow. It's crazy. This is the Romanian mafia, but they stated in some police report. The only reason I went down this rabbit hole is because Tate's having it out with Sean Strickland at the moment. Do you see that? Yeah. I mean, they've kind of been going back and forth for a long time. Happened again, like today or whatever recently. But yeah, someone that wins money in your casino, finding out because they need to put their address in, where they live, and then just going around to the house after they've won and they've got money and beating them up and taking your money back is the most GTA solution for this. Yeah. That's the killing the hooker after. So you can have your cake and eat it too, I suppose. Fuck yeah.

• 2:28:44Ryan Long?

  Okay, I gotta take a piss so bad. You wanna wrap?

• 2:28:48Chris Williamson?

  We're all good. Where should people go?

• 2:28:50Ryan Long?

  Yeah, definitely check out my special. Seems like the response has been pretty good so far. So it just came out. Youtube.com/RyanLongComedy. Free on my channel. Check it out. My podcast is The Boys Cast. But also, I'm just gonna say a few dates because I'm doing this crazy tour. But if you are, come out. The tours have been awesome. And I'm doing a new hour. Fort Wayne, Louisville, Saratoga Springs, Philadelphia, Nashville, Chicago, Las Vegas, Minneapolis, Phoenix, Portland, and then more.

• 2:29:20Chris Williamson?

  I appreciate you, man.

• 2:29:21Ryan Long?

  Yeah, you're the best. All right.

• 2:29:23Chris Williamson?

  Come wrap. Go piss.