Can You Teach Mental Toughness? | Jordan Wallace, Paul Warrior & Tim Briggs

A fond welcome back to UK CrossFit coaches, nutrionists & athletes, Jordan Wallace, Paul Warrior and Tim Briggs. This week, I wanted to dissect their views on mindset in sport. An athlete's performance in CrossFit, Powerlifting, Endurance Racing and many pursuits is heavily mediated by their mental game, but can you teach it? Or is mental toughness an innate skill you either have or you don't? As usual we got distracted and wildly careered off-topic. Expect to hear some very contrasting views on mindset for sports, their frank & honest feedback after the 2018 CrossFit Regionals, and what their opinions are on Adam Collard's performance on Love Island. Find out more: https://www. ReebokCrossFitTyneside.com https://www. WarriorProgramming.com https://www. WeDominateNutrition.com - Listen to all episodes online. Search "Modern Wisdom" on any Podcast App or click here: iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/modern-wisdom/id1347973549 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0XrOqvxlqQI6bmdYHuIVnr?si=iUpczE97SJqe1kNdYBipnw Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/modern-wisdom - I want to hear from you!! Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Email: [email protected]

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• 0:05Speaker 00

  Run it, don't go like this, don't go... Be careful, I don't know who he ever... Oh god, have you got the squares? Still not good mate, still not good. Too sore, it's first food of the day.

• 0:16Chris Williamson?

  Two blood box sized sores, where in then?

• 0:19Speaker 00

  You can't wear the blood in semen pants, it about help. Ah, I don't need blood semen.

• 0:22Chris Williamson?

  You've brought the blood in semen pants?

• 0:23Speaker 00

  You don't get them on.

• 0:24Chris Williamson?

  357 pounds worth of pants.

• 0:26Speaker 00

  Oh, 156 pounds, it's 300 pounds. Mate, they are, they are shite them.

• 0:32Chris Williamson?

  They're catastrophic, aren't they?

• 0:33Speaker 00

  They are so bad.

• 0:35Tim Briggs?

  Who actually makes them?

• 0:36Speaker 00

  That was supreme.

• 0:37Tim Briggs?

  No, but like, who...

• 0:38Chris Williamson?

  Who's semen is it?

• 0:39Tim Briggs?

  No, who makes the clothes, do you know, like, did it...

• 0:42Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 0:42Chris Williamson?

  Made in, uh, what is it?

• 0:44Tim Briggs?

  I always wondered this.

• 0:46Speaker 00

  You know what's worse? They have to cost £2, mate. They're worn to cost £2. They will.

• 0:50Chris Williamson?

  Exploited in China, it says, on the back.

• 0:54Speaker 00

  Oh, they like the work. They're built up north, strappy bottoms are like 15 quid or something. Yeah, these are some thick quality, I just...

• 1:01Chris Williamson?

  Nah, they're winter pants.

• 1:02Speaker 00

  Do you want them in the wrong size, that might not work, that might not work to me. They were 16 quid at the most, I'm not getting in here, they're just too costly.

• 1:08Tim Briggs?

  You're right in there, you're in the hot seat.

• 1:10Speaker 00

  Why am I on the mic?

• 1:12Chris Williamson?

  Why do you look like what?

• 1:13Speaker 00

  Why am I on the mic?

• 1:14Chris Williamson?

  Like, everyone's...

• 1:15Speaker 00

  Everyone's on the mic, mate. I'm getting really caught up.

• 1:17Chris Williamson?

  You know what, I can fuck off over there, can't I?

• 1:21Speaker 00

  Not like it. We're going.

• 1:24Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, man, we're already going, we'll go from your pants.

• 1:26Speaker 00

  Oh, so me park up, park on with you.

• 1:28Chris Williamson?

  Park on, did he park on with you? Probably, yeah.

• 1:31Speaker 00

  Oh, Chris, don't put that on.

• 1:33Chris Williamson?

  Park up. Uh, so, Jordan, Paul and Tim from We Dominate Nutrition, Reebok CrossFit Tyneside Warrior Programming, Built Up North and about 45 other businesses as well, back today, hi.

• 1:45Speaker 00

  Hi, Chris.

• 1:46Chris Williamson?

  Hi, how are you? How was Regionals?

• 1:50Tim Briggs?

  It was good.

• 1:51Speaker 00

  Tim, you go?

• 1:51Tim Briggs?

  It was good, uh, good time out there, had fun all the way through, really. Uh, different experience for us all, ready, but in a coaching aspect...

• 2:02Chris Williamson?

  Why different?

• 2:03Speaker 00

  Jordan.

• 2:05Tim Briggs?

  Wasn't there competing.

• 2:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:08Tim Briggs?

  It was weird to see the other side of it.

• 2:10Chris Williamson?

  How did you find it for the first time?

• 2:11Speaker 00

  Uh, it was just weird. It was like, it was like super relaxed. Whereas normally it's obviously quite intense, isn't it? Like, you're like bed for a certain time, you're up at a certain time. You're stressing about stuff, like there was none of that. So it was, it was cool.

• 2:24Chris Williamson?

  Chilling out.

• 2:24Speaker 00

  Just chilling. It was, it was, to be honest, no gins, no gins, bro. Um, but to be honest, it was like, it's very boring. It's very boring. Like after the team had been on, it was like great, but then that first day just dragged on so long.

• 2:40Chris Williamson?

  Was that, was the first day the one with the most?

• 2:42Speaker 00

  It had the longest events in, so like the, after the team had been on, the team were finished by like ten. Ten or eleven and then.

• 2:48Chris Williamson?

  Oh, that was the one with, was that triple three?

• 2:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, we were there till six watching people run on the treadmill for half an hour. So that was.

• 2:54Chris Williamson?

  Did anyone throw up? Cause I saw loads of videos of people.

• 2:56Speaker 00

  I don't think anyone, no one in our region.

• 2:58Tim Briggs?

  But it's been phenomenal.

• 3:00Speaker 00

  It's been a lot of people.

• 3:01Tim Briggs?

  Seen that lad throw up down himself and I think it's Phil Hesketh at the finish line.

• 3:04Chris Williamson?

  Phil Hesketh did it on the finish line and it went everywhere. He like lifted him off his feet.

• 3:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:09Speaker 03

  My first mirth. First time I did mirth, I puked up on myself as I was running.

• 3:13Chris Williamson?

  Did you?

• 3:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, totally. Jumping and screaming and keep going.

• 3:16Speaker 00

  I was running in a pair of wooden wearless shoes. So do me.

• 3:20Tim Briggs?

  You win, you know?

• 3:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, I was like a foot going down the road.

• 3:25Speaker 03

  Good squats though.

• 3:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, cracking squats, but um, yeah, funny, yeah.

• 3:29Speaker 03

  It was intense, I thought. I thought it was intense even though like, even though like we weren't leading the team and there was someone else doing that. Felt like you being present and like proper emotionally invested in the team. And then two different individual athletes there. With us directly and then one with Tim. Just like your heart was in your mouth for the entire weekend. And like, even if you had one event go well for one person, it chances out it wouldn't go well for the other one. So you just end up just like. I don't know.

• 3:57Chris Williamson?

  There was a constipate for three days. Well, that seems like opposite of what's happening to everyone right now.

• 4:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, all the athletes, all the athletes are pretty loose. And yeah.

• 4:06Chris Williamson?

  Desperately, desperately want to have a constipate.

• 4:08Speaker 03

  So, yeah, just wanting everyone to succeed. And obviously, like, you know, no one got to the game. So obviously, there was like, levels of success vary.

• 4:16Chris Williamson?

  Mm hmm.

• 4:17Speaker 03

  Depending whether it was like overcoming something that was, that you're bricking that you couldn't do.

• 4:21Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 4:21Speaker 03

  Or, you know, having things in the bag that when you go out on the floor, just doesn't pay off. I mean, it's just like, heart and mouth the whole time.

• 4:29Chris Williamson?

  I mean, I imagine.

• 4:30Speaker 03

  I think, I think if like a week later, I'm actually pretty chilled out about it now. But I think like, I think I was pretty like, you know, we had people in the region after, the week after, that we had like an athlete in, in a region. In, uh, Latin America. And then the week after, we had, there was a team in, um, a team in the region, region, plus like a whole bunch of friends from like a.

• 4:51Chris Williamson?

  Even what's it, you're programming you then.

• 4:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, there's people that we have programmed for, or people who were like, or we know, or we talked on a personal level, but like, um, like Willie. Like, I've spoken to him a few times, he's a good guy, like, I wanted him to do well.

• 5:05Chris Williamson?

  Willie.

• 5:05Speaker 03

  Willie. We need more Willie at the games. And.

• 5:10Chris Williamson?

  Crushed it this year, huh?

• 5:11Speaker 03

  Meg was there and other people that we've kind of worked with in the past are really close friends to us.

• 5:15Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 5:15Speaker 03

  Younger.

• 5:16Chris Williamson?

  So, do you feel, so when someone like Meg Lovegrove or Alex Younger, who have maybe built a foundation, either within the gym or within the, um, uh, diet side or within the training side. Once they've moved on, do you still feel a, like a level of ownership of their performance to a degree?

• 5:36Speaker 00

  Not really, I wouldn't say, I wouldn't say ownership, because like.

• 5:38Chris Williamson?

  No, okay.

• 5:39Speaker 00

  I wouldn't say ownership, but I'd say it's nice to see that, I always come back to the same thing, that like a tiny little gym from the northeast is kicking out all these good athletes.

• 5:47Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 5:48Speaker 00

  Like, we've got people who. You know, Alex Youngers from like, who lives around the corner from me.

• 5:53Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 5:53Speaker 00

  He's like, was my best friend.

• 5:54Chris Williamson?

  And now he's on the opposite side.

• 5:55Speaker 00

  And now he's on the opposite side of the world competing and it's ridiculous, so.

• 5:58Tim Briggs?

  Crazy.

• 5:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's mentally.

• 6:00Tim Briggs?

  It's great being part of it though, um, like the journey of getting those guys from a certain level and now they're right up here.

• 6:07Chris Williamson?

  Mm hmm.

• 6:07Tim Briggs?

  In different regions right around the world and seeing that progress.

• 6:10Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 6:10Tim Briggs?

  There's been a lot of that.

• 6:11Chris Williamson?

  Periodised, right? It's contributing over time. It's not necessarily about someone.

• 6:15Tim Briggs?

  You know, we're not involved right now.

• 6:16Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 6:17Speaker 00

  It's nice to, nice to, to have been involved at some point.

• 6:20Chris Williamson?

  I agree.

• 6:20Speaker 03

  Obviously you want them to do better when they're with you.

• 6:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 6:23Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 6:23Speaker 03

  You're still, it's a little bit like, eh, yeah.

• 6:28Speaker 03

  But being, that's being honest, but at the same time, like, yeah, they're all still our friends and we still talk to them all on like, on a social level.

• 6:34Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 6:34Speaker 03

  So like.

• 6:36Tim Briggs?

  There was a girl I used to programme for in the Meridian region, she came like fourth in France.

• 6:43Chris Williamson?

  Right.

• 6:43Tim Briggs?

  Slightly bitter about it. I love it. She left like last year.

• 6:47Chris Williamson?

  Oh.

• 6:47Tim Briggs?

  This is programming, that nutrition.

• 6:49Chris Williamson?

  Got you.

• 6:49Tim Briggs?

  But, um, slightly bitter about it, but she did well and it's great that.

• 6:53Chris Williamson?

  I was gonna say, it must be, it must be difficult to let go of that.

• 6:58Speaker 03

  When we were smaller, when we were smaller and it was like, and everyone was like really close, you were close to everyone. I think it was a little bit harder when people left. I mean.

• 7:06Chris Williamson?

  You're smaller operation.

• 7:07Speaker 03

  Like, you know, like, yeah, especially like the gym was much more family orientated and when people left, it was like, it's like one of your members of your family moving away. So it was like, oh, fuck, I want to stay, you know? And then you're also, you're also ambitious for ourselves and the team and the gym. So you're like, shit, how could these guys contribute? But, um, but in reality, you know, like as that happens more and more and CrossFit's more popular, people are going to get jobs elsewhere.

• 7:28Speaker 00

  It's just scaling up, isn't it? Like, you know, you have one person out of a hundred leave, seems like a lot. You have seven out of seven hundred, it's the same percentage.

• 7:35Chris Williamson?

  The thing is, the thing is for you guys as well, I suppose, that the, the business now, you, you know, we dominate nutrition and more your programming and servicing an awful, awful lot of athletes. But at varying levels, you know, you've got a number of different packages and it's like, well, where are you? Obviously you want to be able to demonstrate your, um, your programming with athletes at the absolute pinnacle of the sport.

• 7:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 7:58Chris Williamson?

  But there's no reason in and of itself why someone making it to the Games is any more impressive than someone going from completely sedentary to being a good local level.

• 8:07Tim Briggs?

  I can, that's more impressive.

• 8:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:09Tim Briggs?

  Mine.

• 8:10Chris Williamson?

  It's just less, there's less, there's less acclaim to it as well. It doesn't look as good on a flyer.

• 8:14Speaker 00

  I think those guys who are, who are going for the Games and have those aspirations, they're a lot more, like needy's not the right term, but they're a lot more needy. You know, they need a lot more attention, they need a lot more attention, they need stuff to be, um, explained to them because they want to understand, to have that like need to have the understanding, whereas people at that lower level, they don't really care.

• 8:35Chris Williamson?

  A bit less rigorous.

• 8:36Speaker 00

  If they're getting big, if they're getting better, they're happy. They don't want to know why they're getting better.

• 8:39Chris Williamson?

  There's probably so much low hanging fruit, I guess, for young people as well.

• 8:42Tim Briggs?

  It's exponential at that early stage as well.

• 8:45Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 8:45Tim Briggs?

  How quick they can grow compared to the plateau, then it's just marginal gains.

• 8:49Speaker 00

  That the curve's like that, you know, like when they first start doing, especially something that's even semi, um, semi, wait, is it semi, yeah. Semi personalized for them, it's, it's so much more productive for them, so that the, the, the sort of curve of them getting better is like so aggressive.

• 9:07Chris Williamson?

  I mean, I, I imagine that allowing some of your athletes to step out onto the competition floor after you've been with them for ages and prepped them and built them up. Must be similar to the feeling that I've got about Adam Collard going, I love Adam.

• 9:23Speaker 00

  You've built him up and developed him and then he's gone.

• 9:25Chris Williamson?

  You've cracked him, you know what I mean?

• 9:27Speaker 00

  You've cut him free, go on, son.

• 9:29Chris Williamson?

  He's got this roughly hewn rock that you've found and you've polished it and buffed it for years and years and.

• 9:35Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 9:36Chris Williamson?

  You've calmed it down and then you've set it on its way.

• 9:40Tim Briggs?

  But how do you have the pin?

• 9:41Chris Williamson?

  You've just thrown it.

• 9:43Tim Briggs?

  How do you honestly feel that he's now got two hundred thousand followers on Instagram?

• 9:48Chris Williamson?

  Um, well, again, you know, like.

• 9:50Tim Briggs?

  He's a lot more famous than you now.

• 9:51Chris Williamson?

  He is. Some of your athletes, some of your athletes can deadlift more than you though. Do you feel bad about that?

• 9:57Speaker 00

  That's true, that's a great, that's a great comparison.

• 10:03Chris Williamson?

  In exactly the same way.

• 10:04Speaker 00

  I can do two things, deadlifts one of them.

• 10:06Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, that's right, dips are the other, right?

• 10:08Speaker 00

  Dips, arguing three. Clovis.

• 10:13Chris Williamson?

  But no.

• 10:13Speaker 00

  Well, he trains three times a year. No particular order. Clovis.

• 10:16Chris Williamson?

  Three times a year.

• 10:17Speaker 00

  Deadlift day, clovis day. Deadlift day, which was Saturday.

• 10:20Chris Williamson?

  One hour and dips day.

• 10:21Speaker 00

  Clovis, which was Sat- uh, sorry, deadlifts, which was Saturday, clovis, which is in January. We've just got to fill the dips in and we're done for the year, if it were quarter.

• 10:29Speaker 03

  I'll win dips as well.

• 10:30Chris Williamson?

  That's fine.

• 10:31Speaker 03

  Anything, weight, max reps.

• 10:32Chris Williamson?

  No, yeah, um, you know, uh, we saw Adam, do we see Adam doing some thrusters?

• 10:37Speaker 00

  I did see him do thrusters.

• 10:39Chris Williamson?

  Dumbo thrusters, not to extend them.

• 10:40Speaker 00

  I did hear him do one of those.

• 10:41Chris Williamson?

  No repping him through the TV, but it's necessary.

• 10:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, I was no repping him and also I wasn't happy about the amount of noise that was coming out of him. Yeah.

• 10:47Chris Williamson?

  I mean, what were the weights? What was it?

• 10:49Speaker 00

  Like, not heavy.

• 10:50Chris Williamson?

  Wasn't RX, it was scaled?

• 10:51Speaker 00

  No, it was scaled, definitely scaled. He was like, shh, shh. It's like, bro, it's fifteen kilos, steady on, you know what I mean?

• 10:56Speaker 03

  I feel a missing thing important that happened, is this on the programme?

• 10:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, it is. Please tell me what's on the programme.

• 11:01Speaker 03

  Did you do a what? Of course I'm not watching Lovi.

• 11:03Speaker 00

  He did some thrusters. Sort your life out, come on, mate. You've got to have it.

• 11:05Chris Williamson?

  Mate, it's the guy, he's the one guy that's not.

• 11:08Speaker 03

  What was the what?

• 11:10Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 11:10Chris Williamson?

  What was the what? They don't issue the programming on the programme.

• 11:14Speaker 00

  They'll put the programming on the table. Imagine that.

• 11:15Chris Williamson?

  It was a tag, I got going.

• 11:18Speaker 03

  Did you do burpees?

• 11:19Speaker 00

  He didn't do burpees. I only saw dumbbell thrusters, but he's looking rather maister, he was doing them, so I assumed he was doing quite a lot. Hmm.

• 11:24Chris Williamson?

  Fifteen kilos.

• 11:25Speaker 00

  Fifteen kilos. Oh, he's oiling up beforehand?

• 11:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, just oiling up pre.

• 11:28Chris Williamson?

  I got accused of that during the open off someone's girlfriend.

• 11:30Speaker 00

  You, you did look.

• 11:32Speaker 03

  You know, actually, somebody came up and said that to me.

• 11:33Chris Williamson?

  It was you, Tom?

• 11:34Speaker 00

  You do look oily.

• 11:35Chris Williamson?

  I'm just sweaty. Someone, it's a by-product of a high metabolism.

• 11:38Speaker 00

  Yeah. Fair, okay. Stop going up, okay.

• 11:42Speaker 03

  I can't remember what someone came up to me and said, you can't look like that unless you're oiling up. It's impossible. That's what they said. I don't know much about the oil situation, so.

• 11:50Speaker 00

  Do you like take Baxa baby oil or something, so you're like soaking it into your skin?

• 11:53Chris Williamson?

  Oh, and then excrete it again when I'm sweaty.

• 11:55Speaker 03

  You are often sweaty when you get off the warm-up run.

• 11:58Chris Williamson?

  Well, we do strength portions of the workout and I sweat like it's cardio, so.

• 12:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, you do.

• 12:02Chris Williamson?

  I just want, just a natural warm, warm human being.

• 12:05Speaker 00

  Warm blood. Got a bit of a beard on now, actually, we're going to talk about it, you know, I've got a bit of moisture.

• 12:08Speaker 03

  That's like he was talking about the kiln and getting some olive oil.

• 12:11Speaker 00

  Mit the like earnest to get some of that halloumi oil.

• 12:18Chris Williamson?

  Just rub a bit of halloumi on my face.

• 12:19Tim Briggs?

  Collard's tan, how did that happen?

• 12:21Chris Williamson?

  His tan?

• 12:21Tim Briggs?

  Hmm.

• 12:22Speaker 00

  Beds, I think.

• 12:22Tim Briggs?

  He, he went from, he was fairly tan to begin with, like a five, on scale of tan.

• 12:30Tim Briggs?

  Gotta be careful what I'm doing.

• 12:31Chris Williamson?

  I was gonna say, has he changed race now?

• 12:33Tim Briggs?

  All right. Border, borderline.

• 12:34Speaker 00

  Just go for it.

• 12:35Tim Briggs?

  Borderline.

• 12:36Speaker 00

  He's very dark.

• 12:36Tim Briggs?

  He's very dark.

• 12:37Chris Williamson?

  Well, I think naturally.

• 12:39Speaker 00

  He's in the sun all day though.

• 12:40Chris Williamson?

  His dad, his dad's quite dark, but I, my darkest I've ever been in my life was after I came off and that was after like three and a half weeks of.

• 12:47Tim Briggs?

  Came off what?

• 12:48Chris Williamson?

  Love Island.

• 12:48Speaker 00

  Off the sunbed.

• 12:52Chris Williamson?

  It might as well, it might as well have been, because that's really all that happens. Because, yeah, you've, it's just high velocity sun rays all the time and all you're wearing shorts.

• 13:00Speaker 00

  Tabata tanning.

• 13:00Chris Williamson?

  It is, yeah, on the minute, every minute.

• 13:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, tan.

• 13:03Chris Williamson?

  Vitamin D.

• 13:03Speaker 00

  Twenty four hours.

• 13:04Chris Williamson?

  For, for time.

• 13:05Speaker 00

  It's good work.

• 13:05Chris Williamson?

  On the minute, every minute D.

• 13:10Chris Williamson?

  I mean, that's, that's later in the, that's later in the season when Collard's put some groundwork in.

• 13:13Tim Briggs?

  Yeah, sure.

• 13:15Chris Williamson?

  So, um, we've got two topics that we can talk about.

• 13:19Tim Briggs?

  Uh huh.

• 13:19Chris Williamson?

  One of them is going to be mindset, one of them's going to be nutrition. Which ones do you want to go for today?

• 13:24Tim Briggs?

  Go mindset.

• 13:24Speaker 00

  Let's go mindset because I think it would be good for you to do one with Timmy on nutrition because.

• 13:28Tim Briggs?

  Just separate them.

• 13:30Chris Williamson?

  Cool. So, um, my question, my main question about mindset within sport is you guys try and prepare your athletes as best as possible with periodization for strength, for energy levels, for their, um, mood. You're managing everything that you can to get them to have the highest ability, the highest access to all of their potential output or performance within, let's say, a CrossFit competition. But the same would be true if you were a gymnast, if you were a.

• 14:01Speaker 00

  Steady.

• 14:01Chris Williamson?

  Um, the same would be true if you were a powerlifter or presumably a martial artist.

• 14:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, whatever it is.

• 14:08Chris Williamson?

  Jiu Jitsu, whatever it is. Um, but the biggest mediator of someone's output of their potential is whether or not in their mind they tell themselves to do it. Like if someone is in the middle of a really long, horrible workout, why their lungs are burning and the legs are aching and their mind's telling them to stop. Them telling themselves not to stop.

• 14:30Chris Williamson?

  Makes all the difference in the world.

• 14:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, a hundred percent.

• 14:33Chris Williamson?

  How do you train that, how do you, how do you actually help to sort of?

• 14:39Tim Briggs?

  I'd say the best don't have that question in their head.

• 14:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think if you look at anybody, sorry.

• 14:44Tim Briggs?

  Yeah, if there's any doubt in the head of, I need to stop, probably not going to be up there anyway.

• 14:50Speaker 00

  Like, if you look at like anybody who's successful in any athletic field, any athletic field, so like Ronaldo's a footballer, you know, famous American footballers or anything like that, like, none of them have a doubt about their ability of that they're supposed to be there. They all believe that they're supposed to be there. Look at Conor McGregor, for example, like, six years ago, he was living on benefits. Now he made a hundred, he was fourth in Forbes this last year. Like, you know, he's, he's just, he's got that ability and he's, he's got that, that mindset that allows him to do that. And nobody's taught him that. He's just, he's had it.

• 15:21Chris Williamson?

  We all, we all know that, we all know that when you get deeper into a workout, especially specifically with CrossFit, I think is, one of the reasons, I said it on the first podcast that we did, one of the reasons I think CrossFit is an, uh, an engaging spectator sport. The same, the same reason that the Tour de France is, that you can observe the suffering.

• 15:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 15:39Chris Williamson?

  And you can see people as they go in and out of themselves battling with their own will.

• 15:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, compare it to yourself as well.

• 15:47Chris Williamson?

  We all know, we all know that, as you say, you know, a lot of these guys have got this unwavering self-belief. But put yourself half an hour deep into a really, really horrible workout. And kind of that mindset gets tested, it's a different environment.

• 16:01Speaker 00

  It, it does. It's just for me, I think it's one of the things that you can develop it for sure, but I think you develop it through, through training. So you develop it through like suffering, like ultimately suffering, like when you turn up, it's like that, that age old thing like train hard, play easy. Like, train harder than the competition's ever going to be. So when you get there, it doesn't feel that bad. Like, if you've got to do seven events over three days, train 20, do you know what I mean? Like.

• 16:26Tim Briggs?

  And that's your coach's job to do it.

• 16:28Speaker 00

  Exactly, so.

• 16:29Tim Briggs?

  Kind of we step in.

• 16:29Speaker 00

  You, you should have, your athlete should be prepared for hell, like.

• 16:33Chris Williamson?

  So is the mind, is the mindset a by-product of the physical training then to a degree?

• 16:37Speaker 00

  Personally, I think it is.

• 16:39Tim Briggs?

  I think there's more going into it. So you've got that side, then you've got what you've grown up with. So you're born with this innate sense of hard work. And that's developed on with your childhood, with your parents, how they've distilled that into you.

• 16:52Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 16:52Tim Briggs?

  That's either gonna be those guys telling you to do chores around the house, or maybe like if if your dad wasn't there, you have to deal with things and step up a level.

• 17:01Chris Williamson?

  Um, I think.

• 17:02Tim Briggs?

  And look after those around you.

• 17:03Chris Williamson?

  I mean.

• 17:03Tim Briggs?

  And that just builds upon it, like everybody's, everybody who's at the top has suffered setbacks along the way.

• 17:09Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 17:10Tim Briggs?

  In terms of the childhood.

• 17:11Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 17:11Tim Briggs?

  Or the being through things like Rich Froning had to do loads when he was a kid. Loads and loads of chores around the house and it just hard work was distilled in him.

• 17:20Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, Rich Froning Senior looks like a proper task, taskmaster.

• 17:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, he does like.

• 17:24Chris Williamson?

  There's lots of trees, there's a lake, something needs cutting, something needs chopping.

• 17:28Tim Briggs?

  And when you apply all that into an athlete, then throw them in the gym. Then they see success with it and it's that growing, growing.

• 17:36Chris Williamson?

  You have the foundations.

• 17:37Tim Briggs?

  You have the foundations to build, then you apply the training to it.

• 17:40Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, but obviously.

• 17:41Tim Briggs?

  Twenty workouts.

• 17:42Chris Williamson?

  There's, there's nothing that would stop you from inheriting an athlete who hasn't had a ideal um foundation.

• 17:49Tim Briggs?

  Mm hmm.

• 17:49Chris Williamson?

  And that when they get deep into a workout, that they get a lot of negative self-talk that comes through. So.

• 17:55Speaker 03

  I think we manage it in different ways. So I think like, I think with these two, it's hard because these two are like two robust bastards who will push themselves hard in workouts.

• 18:04Chris Williamson?

  Mm hmm.

• 18:05Speaker 03

  So Tim can relate to his own personal thing. Tim will batter himself.

• 18:08Chris Williamson?

  How many disc fusions have you had?

• 18:10Tim Briggs?

  Zero. I've, I've just slipped a disc.

• 18:12Chris Williamson?

  You've slipped it a couple of times.

• 18:13Speaker 00

  Multiple discs though.

• 18:14Tim Briggs?

  Yeah, yeah, in the.

• 18:15Speaker 00

  Badly.

• 18:15Tim Briggs?

  Yeah, rather badly.

• 18:17Chris Williamson?

  And then, and then you did your knee, knee or knees?

• 18:19Tim Briggs?

  Knee, uh, tomahawk, patellar tendon.

• 18:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, so Tim, Tim's, Tim's problem is definitely.

• 18:24Speaker 00

  Spinal was developed for Tim Briggs.

• 18:25Tim Briggs?

  Um, but I can go full spinal now and that's completely fine. You know.

• 18:29Chris Williamson?

  You can squat.

• 18:30Tim Briggs?

  I'm so robust with my spine, it's fine.

• 18:32Chris Williamson?

  Well, it's one disc, isn't it now?

• 18:34Speaker 03

  But with Tim.

• 18:35Tim Briggs?

  Yes. It just.

• 18:39Speaker 03

  The Tim's problem isn't stopping.

• 18:41Chris Williamson?

  Pinch at the hip, Tim.

• 18:41Speaker 03

  Tim's problem is the fact he won't stop.

• 18:43Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 18:43Speaker 03

  And Jordan the same, he's pretty well, he's pretty known for like digging point in the bin.

• 18:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 18:48Speaker 03

  So I think we've got multiple levels. I think like on a gym level and like on a regular culture, it's just the culture that the coaches had still. Cause in the gym, the majority of time, we're always there, or we are always there.

• 18:58Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 18:58Speaker 03

  So they're always gonna get motivated. So self-talk probably gets overridden by our chat.

• 19:03Chris Williamson?

  And presence.

• 19:04Speaker 03

  Our motivation, our presence. So therefore, yeah, there's, yeah, exactly. So there's that fear factor that we're always there, we're watching, it's eyes on.

• 19:12Speaker 00

  Get rid of that doubt as well. Like you'll always see people in class that are like, I just can't do it. I'm like, well, you can. Cause you've done thirty other reps, so you've only got twenty left.

• 19:20Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 19:20Speaker 00

  You've already done more than what you've got left. So just, you may as well finish it off.

• 19:24Chris Williamson?

  It's so funny and anyone who's listening will know exactly the same pain that I feel. When one of the coaches walks by and you're hanging out with your arse and you've got twenty thrusters left in a workout of fifty kilos and it's really, really heavy. And someone will say, how many have you got? How many have you done? Or how many have you got left? And you say the number and you know that all they're gonna say is, well, pick the fucking bar up then. And you're like, yeah, yeah, mate, I know. I know, like, do you not think, do you not think if I fancied picking the bar up, that I would have already fucking picked it up?

• 19:52Speaker 00

  But us being there, you picked the bar up?

• 19:54Chris Williamson?

  I, I, I pick it up more readily.

• 19:56Speaker 00

  We might piss you off enough, you're like, fuck, I'll pick the bar up.

• 20:00Chris Williamson?

  I tell you who I always feel picks on me, and call him out, Ben Kennedy. He's, he's a voracious Williamson picker on a rope.

• 20:07Speaker 00

  How good you look.

• 20:08Chris Williamson?

  I don't think that's the case. I think.

• 20:09Speaker 00

  So Ben's, Ben doesn't have oily, Ben doesn't have the baby oil.

• 20:14Chris Williamson?

  That would be terrible when he's in a wetsuit.

• 20:16Speaker 00

  I know.

• 20:16Chris Williamson?

  He needs to swim. He'd get wet suit rash.

• 20:19Speaker 00

  But then again, wouldn't he be really streamlined without the wet suit?

• 20:21Chris Williamson?

  No, no need for a wet suit.

• 20:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, so in the gym, you're basically forced into it with bullies.

• 20:27Chris Williamson?

  So, okay, so now.

• 20:28Speaker 00

  But also you're turning up for that though, you know.

• 20:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, you know, you know what you're expecting. So we're, we're there, you're there to be motivated, there to be pushed. Therefore, through experience, you're gonna realise that you can.

• 20:37Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 20:37Speaker 03

  Because we've told you, you can. And therefore eventually you'll believe in yourself and your abilities and therefore that comes on to. You can.

• 20:45Chris Williamson?

  Kind of like the same way as a, that someone who's got a substance dependency weans themselves off it. They wean themselves off the buttress that is your motivation and you being over them and you allow them to spend more time. Cause I've always thought like, you know, you are right, this, if I'm ever doing programming that's written for myself and I'm doing it with a partner. Um, you're always gonna be, almost always work hard. It's very difficult, I think, to put yourself in that same hole when it's just you.

• 21:09Speaker 00

  That class environment as well, like, obviously it doesn't really apply to, to most top level athletes because the, the majority doesn't train on their own. But to like general gym population, like it, it is that shared suffering, like everybody's going through the same thing, everybody's doing the same thing. So you, you think, well, you know, he's sixty five over there, he's doing it. So I'm sure I can do it. You know what I mean?

• 21:32Chris Williamson?

  I'm gonna fucking take that sixty five year old bastard down.

• 21:35Speaker 00

  You know what I mean? I'm taking him down, like, so I think it, that in itself is quite motivating and quite, um, quite powerful. To get people to, I mean, that's.

• 21:45Speaker 03

  On that training level, on that training level, then most of that, that kind of like self-talk is taken away. Motivated by the coaches, motivated by the people around you, motivated by the environment.

• 21:55Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 21:55Speaker 03

  Therefore, in that level, that's fine. The issue's become is when all of a sudden you have to become autonomous.

• 22:02Chris Williamson?

  Hmm.

• 22:03Speaker 03

  And then you're not there in their ear.

• 22:04Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 22:04Speaker 03

  And that's when the demons creep in. That's when the fear, that's when you just looked at some other prick doing like a bigger snatch than you on Instagram. And they're about to be at the same competition as you, which doesn't have any snatches in, but that doesn't matter because they got three thousand likes.

• 22:19Chris Williamson?

  The anxiety comes over.

• 22:20Speaker 03

  On a fucking post.

• 22:21Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 22:21Speaker 03

  Of a snatch.

• 22:22Chris Williamson?

  I was, I remember a story that Meg once told me about a workout she'd done, I think it was something to do with snatches and you were in there. And she was like, really, really unhappy during this workout.

• 22:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:35Chris Williamson?

  And constantly going and you had been, she, she said she wanted to give up. You said, you're not fucking giving up. Apparently kept on doing snatches closer and closer to a wall.

• 22:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:43Chris Williamson?

  And then once she completed it with like, pretty much with tears streaming down her face, you threw the keys at her and said, go lock up.

• 22:49Speaker 03

  I don't think I threw the key there. I think she'd modified that slightly.

• 22:53Chris Williamson?

  Do you know this story that I'm talking about?

• 22:54Speaker 03

  She was facing the wall crying quite heavily, yeah.

• 22:57Chris Williamson?

  Right. Do you think that something like that? Or um for certain for certain athletes, do you think that kind of breaking down those barriers and pushing them through it? Because I know that she found that a very, I I was either side at the time, probably not very happy. Afterwards, I know that she found that a very rewarding experience and she found it very valuable.

• 23:14Speaker 03

  I didn't sort of force her into that though. That wasn't me like.

• 23:17Chris Williamson?

  She's a she's a top level athlete who understands exactly what she's doing.

• 23:20Speaker 03

  She was preparing for regionals. We were doing it on our own. She was our first individual client. We looked at the programming and wrote for something that we felt was definitely going to challenge her and test her. But we but we knew that we knew that the weights and the loads were going to be more testing than what she'd done in the gym.

• 23:34Chris Williamson?

  Crying for time.

• 23:35Speaker 03

  So um we give her a workout to do and she was just having an argument with herself, facing a wall, saying, warriors only give me this to prove to me that I can't do it. And then then she started screaming at herself that she was going to prove me wrong. And then she started having.

• 23:49Chris Williamson?

  There's no one else there.

• 23:50Speaker 03

  Well, I was there.

• 23:51Chris Williamson?

  Well, yeah.

• 23:51Speaker 03

  But she was, yeah, yeah. So she was just, no, she was arguing with herself.

• 23:54Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 23:54Speaker 03

  And then she broke into tears.

• 23:56Chris Williamson?

  Technically a wall.

• 23:56Speaker 03

  But she got to the end of it and realised that she could do the thing that she thought she couldn't do. And yeah, for her, I think that was like a a pretty good moment, like a like a moment for her. Because she realised she was capable and that I wasn't trying to trip her up.

• 24:10Chris Williamson?

  Of an awful lot more than she thought.

• 24:11Speaker 03

  Yeah. And I think that was I think that was a really good moment for her.

• 24:14Chris Williamson?

  Do you have do you have like, obviously, that's quite a um obvious example of something that was really, really apparent. But do you have other moments, sort of breakthrough moments with athletes that you work with where you can kind of see that they see the other side of their capabilities a little bit? Or does it always, does it, is it just apparent, like a spectrum, sorry, where they just go from being good to better to even better to?

• 24:34Speaker 03

  I think one of the clients, she'd had a really bad year at regionals and just before I started working with her and um she sort of DQ'd on one of the workouts and wasn't able to proceed to a layer on the competition and that had sat heavily with her. And I think after a few conversations with her and some strong training sessions and some belief in um at the time, there was a phrase that I now fucking hate, which is stay on your lane. Um and that at the time resonated with her. And for her, it was actually this switch of like, I can manage my own shit. If a judge knows reps me, I can stop and manage that situation in a much better way.

• 25:09Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 25:10Speaker 03

  By just leaving, just looking at the judge and saying, tell me what I'm doing wrong.

• 25:12Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 25:13Speaker 03

  Because you don't have that many no reps on a wall ball, is that she just kept frying herself out and getting more emotional about the situation at the time. And then for her, it was quite a simple mindset shift. It was, hang on, I can stop for five seconds and get no more no reps.

• 25:27Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 25:28Speaker 03

  If I just engage with my judge and say, you know, what the fuck do you want me to do?

• 25:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, I had that pistol, I had that multiple times with different things, but. Yeah, it's like one of those things, like the way I always think about it is you work so hard to get there. Um. You worked so hard to get there, like, why let a no rep get in the way of it? You get no rep, just crack on, just do another.

• 25:50Chris Williamson?

  It's all about ethos though, isn't it?

• 25:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, like, you know, like the judge was no rep for something that was a rep, like, to be fair, she was, she was giving me the reps on the leg where there shouldn't have been reps. So I can't really complain, but you know, it's given, it's given take, but, you know, like. I could have, like other athletes did that weekend, stood there and shouted in her face. But then like, what, what good does that do? Because she's, she's not giving us the reps. So all I did was just turned, finished the workout and then that was it. Like, didn't go back and complain, didn't put a complaint in.

• 26:18Chris Williamson?

  Mm hmm.

• 26:19Speaker 00

  There's, there's no point, they're not going to give you any reps back, so.

• 26:21Chris Williamson?

  What can they do?

• 26:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, just, there's no point in dwell on it, like, I, I came, I think I came seventh in that event, I could, probably came third, but.

• 26:28Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 26:28Speaker 00

  Didn't matter, finished twenty sixth, you know what I mean?

• 26:30Speaker 03

  I could have shot, I could have shot a shit fit and came last, so.

• 26:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, like, it's not like I was going to games.

• 26:35Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, if you got emotional and started, like if you were.

• 26:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:38Speaker 03

  So you started hyperventilating.

• 26:40Speaker 00

  Do you just look like a dickhead as well?

• 26:41Tim Briggs?

  Everyone in the stands were like an uproar about it and he wasn't, he was the only one.

• 26:47Chris Williamson?

  The calmest, the calmest person there was the person who got no reps.

• 26:50Tim Briggs?

  Yeah, yeah, he literally was like, ah, it's one of those.

• 26:52Speaker 00

  It's one of those things, like.

• 26:53Tim Briggs?

  Everyone suddenly realised, like, it is one of those, like, we'll just move on to our next.

• 26:57Chris Williamson?

  I mean, that's, that's, that's part of the reason why you're a good role model for the gym, right, for the, for the good athletes that are moving forward. Yeah, so what, uh, what are your thoughts on, is regionals is completely finished now, right?

• 27:08Speaker 00

  Done now, yeah.

• 27:08Chris Williamson?

  So what, what's, what's your thoughts on the workouts that got issued this year?

• 27:14Speaker 00

  I think it's, I think it's real tough though, because like, there's just no consistency with the programming, so it's like. It's just, I understand that the sport is like unknown and unknowable, but I think there should be a bit of consistency with like the tests. Like the open, you kind of know what you're gonna get. Regionals, it should kind of be the same, like. There should kind of be a formula you have to follow. Like, I don't understand how everything can go from being with a dumbbell last year. To this year, there's no dumbbells in there. Well, it was, but yeah, it was two dumbbells this time, not one. So you've got now you've got two dumbbells, and then you've got box. It's like, just have a bit of consistency about what it's gonna be.

• 27:49Tim Briggs?

  I think he's trying to think of how he can trip people up.

• 27:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 27:53Tim Briggs?

  More so than show off people's fitness. People did well this year. Obviously, the best are always gonna do well. They're gonna qualify. But those on the outside, some did really well, if that's a bad, like if they can bench press. Those who can't bench press probably didn't do that well.

• 28:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, like that, like pour people out.

• 28:12Tim Briggs?

  It caught everybody out.

• 28:13Chris Williamson?

  What was it? Can you explain the workout for people who don't know what it was?

• 28:15Speaker 00

  So, one thing before I do that, one thing I was gonna mention about the mindset as well, is that the biggest thing that I think people suffer with is like the fear of failure. Once you get over the fact that you might fail, then who cares?

• 28:26Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 28:26Speaker 00

  Like, if you go to regionals and you fail, you're still 40th.

• 28:29Chris Williamson?

  Go to regions.

• 28:30Speaker 00

  Who cares? You know what I mean? There's only 39 people who can hold that over here.

• 28:33Chris Williamson?

  So we did a, we did a podcast on confidence with Johnny and Youssef recently. And one of the key things that we took away from that in order to maximise confidence was to relinquish your uh desire to feel like you have any level of um of any allowance to not be stupid. Like, if you wake up on a morning and you presume that you're gonna make loads of mistakes all the time, because that is a by-product of being human. Because we're not robots and we do make mistakes. Like, letting go of your desire to have like too much dignity, I suppose, to a degree.

• 29:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 29:08Chris Williamson?

  Is, it actually creates a rod for your own back. Oh, I should be doing this, I should be doing that. And you're like, just do what you can.

• 29:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:16Chris Williamson?

  And prep as well as you can, and then the outcome is the outcome.

• 29:19Tim Briggs?

  We have a great thing where, mainly Wednesdays, we've done this for quite a while, both within the gym and worry programme. We often programme unrealistic emons. You might, you might realise this in the gym.

• 29:31Chris Williamson?

  So you did recently the one with the, um, it was it two triplets? The what, the assault bike, the double unders with the handstand pushups. It was impossible. It was, well, did anyone, did anyone do it?

• 29:47Tim Briggs?

  People compete.

• 29:48Chris Williamson?

  On every single round?

• 29:49Tim Briggs?

  Yeah.

• 29:50Chris Williamson?

  Really?

• 29:50Tim Briggs?

  Yeah.

• 29:51Chris Williamson?

  Wow.

• 29:51Tim Briggs?

  It's not impossible.

• 29:53Chris Williamson?

  Incredible.

• 29:53Tim Briggs?

  It's gonna be really tough. It's tough.

• 29:55Speaker 03

  It's gonna knock you.

• 29:56Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. What's the reason for that?

• 29:57Tim Briggs?

  Just to test mental toughness. Like, what can you do? Where do you need to scale? Someone might be amazing, they might be going to regionals, but they might not be able to complete this work.

• 30:06Chris Williamson?

  Still get put in the bin by this workout.

• 30:07Tim Briggs?

  Yeah, like, it's, it's like.

• 30:09Speaker 03

  And how are you gonna overcome that? What can you do next time?

• 30:11Tim Briggs?

  Yeah, it's like that whole thing about like failing, like people get super worried about it, like in whatever, training, business, whatever, like, just have a pop. You know what I mean? Like, the people who are gonna have a go at you for failing are the same people that didn't give it a go.

• 30:23Speaker 03

  Which people are gonna get better? The people who drop it back a couple of reps, but complete it? Or the people who just don't end up doing the workout? Or, you know what I mean? Or like, the people? It's a forty minute workout of moving and suffering. It's like, fucking endure. Like, and you'll be fine. Like, you will have done forty minutes of hard, hard exercise and improved one way or another. Um, and if the whole fear is, I'm not gonna be able to get through this work, then, you know, you're not learning the right lessons.

• 30:53Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 30:53Tim Briggs?

  Yeah.

• 30:54Speaker 03

  I think, and, um.

• 30:55Chris Williamson?

  The internal dialogue when you're going through that, I mean, I don't know what it's like for you guys who've got a lot more experience, but I'd say that I'm now probably a moderately representative, local level CrossFitter.

• 31:08Tim Briggs?

  Yeah.

• 31:08Chris Williamson?

  In that.

• 31:09Tim Briggs?

  Are you gonna put that in your Instagram bio?

• 31:11Chris Williamson?

  Moderately representative.

• 31:11Speaker 03

  Are you gonna change? To be honest, you're one of the only, uh, local CrossFitters I know can also do pack up.

• 31:17Chris Williamson?

  Pack up?

• 31:19Tim Briggs?

  I did too.

• 31:22Chris Williamson?

  Pack up? Pack up? Extreme.

• 31:24Tim Briggs?

  Extreme pack up. Um, yeah, but it's, it's one of them and where like people get so worried about failing.

• 31:30Speaker 03

  Fear of failure, I think. Expectations.

• 31:33Chris Williamson?

  You've got to manage your expectations.

• 31:34Speaker 03

  That shit will fuck you over. Yeah, if you go there thinking that. Just where you should be or what you should be and not focusing on what's in front of you.

• 31:42Tim Briggs?

  Yeah.

• 31:42Chris Williamson?

  How do you, how do you do that? Let's say it's a good example for regionals, you get to test the workouts in advance.

• 31:47Tim Briggs?

  Hmm.

• 31:47Chris Williamson?

  You know what your time should be.

• 31:49Speaker 00

  Well, yes.

• 31:50Speaker 03

  Nah, yeah. I think, I think the environment is so different.

• 31:54Tim Briggs?

  Oh man.

• 31:54Speaker 03

  The only test is when you're on the floor and what you're getting.

• 31:57Tim Briggs?

  Hmm.

• 31:58Speaker 03

  And the only test is how you overcome that, like you, the amount of times you get people who did shit in training but then bossed it at regionals or you, or, or vice versa.

• 32:06Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 32:06Speaker 03

  But if you let, if you, if you, if you, if you let the outcome.

• 32:10Chris Williamson?

  That's you all over, right?

• 32:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, if you let the outcome of one workout affect how the rest of the weekend goes, the chances are like, you know.

• 32:17Chris Williamson?

  It's dominant effect, right?

• 32:18Speaker 03

  I should have done well in this workout. Great fucking story, write in your little journal later and fucking, I don't know, pray about it. Do whatever you need to do, but if, you know, you can't let that single moment get to you.

• 32:28Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 32:28Speaker 03

  So I think that expectation thing is, um, I think expectation will really crush people massively.

• 32:34Tim Briggs?

  It's also really funny when people do all the regional workouts of like six, seven days.

• 32:38Chris Williamson?

  Well, we did this last.

• 32:39Tim Briggs?

  Then make a post and say, I would have came eighteen.

• 32:41Speaker 00

  I would have came eighteen, it's like nah, bro.

• 32:43Chris Williamson?

  Didn't go to a regional.

• 32:43Speaker 00

  Nah.

• 32:44Chris Williamson?

  I mean, this was.

• 32:45Tim Briggs?

  What did the judge say? Oh, I didn't have one.

• 32:46Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. I know, we did that.

• 32:49Tim Briggs?

  Yeah, I have to scale the bench.

• 32:50Chris Williamson?

  How did you find, how did you find Madrid? Well, I did it in Wolverhampton.

• 32:54Speaker 00

  Did it in Wolverhampton, yeah.

• 32:56Chris Williamson?

  Strange that, cause that's not where regionals was.

• 32:58Tim Briggs?

  Well, did you have to run to the separate market now?

• 33:00Speaker 00

  It's all those things as well though, like, like moving the chess piece and hearing barbells and all that stuff that you, you don't have in training.

• 33:07Tim Briggs?

  Hefty run this year.

• 33:08Speaker 00

  Hefty run in between. So back to Linda, sorry, anyway.

• 33:11Tim Briggs?

  Okay.

• 33:11Speaker 00

  Totally just segwayed or something else.

• 33:13Tim Briggs?

  Cut this in.

• 33:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, cut it in, cut it in, cut it in.

• 33:16Chris Williamson?

  Um, so regionals workouts this year, any highlights? You mentioned Linda, Linda is.

• 33:21Speaker 00

  So it was ten to one, a deadlift, I can't remember the weight, heavy, hea- heavyish, like one fifty?

• 33:29Tim Briggs?

  One thirty.

• 33:30Speaker 00

  One, ah.

• 33:31Tim Briggs?

  Five.

• 33:32Speaker 00

  One thirty five ish.

• 33:33Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, so ten reps with that.

• 33:34Speaker 00

  Ten reps with that.

• 33:36Tim Briggs?

  Oh my god.

• 33:36Speaker 00

  It's so good, I coach.

• 33:38Chris Williamson?

  Well done, coach.

• 33:39Speaker 00

  The bench was at like eighty, eighty four kilos, go on Timmy lad.

• 33:42Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 33:43Speaker 00

  And then the squat clean was at sixty, so you do ten. Sixty five.

• 33:47Tim Briggs?

  I think.

• 33:47Speaker 00

  Sixty five.

• 33:48Chris Williamson?

  It's all these pounds, isn't it?

• 33:51Speaker 00

  But they use the shorter bars as well, so it's like an awkward weight as well. The bar's not forty five pounds, it's forty, so it's a bit off.

• 33:57Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 33:57Speaker 00

  Um, yeah, so it was ten, ten, ten, nine, nine, nine, eight, eight, eight, all the way down to one, one, one, and it just crushed people.

• 34:04Tim Briggs?

  Seventeen minute tank.

• 34:05Speaker 00

  It crushed people, like, some of the poor girls, bloody hell, they were having a bad time with that bench.

• 34:10Chris Williamson?

  Is that, I was gonna say from the, from the fact that.

• 34:12Speaker 00

  Like, crushing the first set of deadlifts, like an absolute hero, and then just.

• 34:18Chris Williamson?

  Do you know, do you know what that is? That's too much booty blaster.

• 34:20Speaker 00

  Too much booty blaster, not enough pec blaster, not enough pec deck.

• 34:24Chris Williamson?

  Peck, more pec deck.

• 34:25Speaker 03

  I thought literally.

• 34:26Chris Williamson?

  Less hip thrusts.

• 34:27Tim Briggs?

  Miss chest day, that's.

• 34:28Chris Williamson?

  International booty day.

• 34:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, the Miss Monday.

• 34:30Speaker 03

  Bench, benches are just for hip thrusts and, um, repolivated lunges, that's all. I thought that was all these days.

• 34:36Speaker 00

  Thought they're for.

• 34:36Tim Briggs?

  See, I put my stuff on the bench quite often.

• 34:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, I use mine as a.

• 34:39Chris Williamson?

  Vanity station.

• 34:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, not a vanity station, like, there's no cosmetics on there.

• 34:43Chris Williamson?

  No, but how do you prop up your phone?

• 34:44Speaker 03

  I use it to. I can use.

• 34:47Speaker 00

  If I need a tripod, I ask Alex Murphy, of course.

• 34:50Speaker 03

  I use it to reach the rig.

• 34:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's a good shout, good shout.

• 34:53Speaker 03

  And all the rigs.

• 34:53Speaker 00

  When you do clothes.

• 34:56Tim Briggs?

  We kidnap bench quite a lot, they are, use it quite often.

• 34:59Chris Williamson?

  They're, they're very versatile.

• 35:00Tim Briggs?

  Yeah.

• 35:01Chris Williamson?

  But, pretty shit for.

• 35:03Speaker 00

  I think, I think, yeah, that.

• 35:04Chris Williamson?

  A lion and press weight.

• 35:05Speaker 03

  That was, that was definitely unexpected.

• 35:07Chris Williamson?

  Was that the most unexpected workout?

• 35:08Speaker 00

  Hundred percent, yeah, I would say so, like, I think triple three as well.

• 35:11Tim Briggs?

  Yeah.

• 35:12Chris Williamson?

  Which, what was triple three?

• 35:13Speaker 00

  I think, so triple three's, um, three K row, three hundred double unders, three mile run on, but he did it on the skill mill. On the, um, assault runner, sorry, it was just like savage.

• 35:26Speaker 03

  It's about, it's about time that happened though, isn't it? That there was a super long time, a super long.

• 35:30Speaker 00

  Just put it in the air that I didn't go though, cheers Dave.

• 35:32Chris Williamson?

  I was gonna say.

• 35:32Speaker 03

  Well, the other year you didn't go as well, when you push your knee, they put a long run in then.

• 35:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:36Speaker 03

  One K row, thirty handstand pushups, one K run, that's me, the ground.

• 35:40Speaker 00

  It's, it's one of them.

• 35:40Chris Williamson?

  Did you try, did you try and do that workout?

• 35:42Speaker 00

  No, I haven't done it, I haven't done it. I don't wanna be that guy. Old kid.

• 35:46Chris Williamson?

  No, but did you, so, but during the.

• 35:48Speaker 00

  I've done the workout before.

• 35:50Chris Williamson?

  Right, so how was it?

• 35:51Speaker 00

  Uh, I've, I've done it, but not on a, not on a.

• 35:53Speaker 03

  Skill mill.

• 35:54Tim Briggs?

  Yeah, I think it's different.

• 35:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, I've run it, I've done it running and it's actually fine.

• 35:58Chris Williamson?

  Three miles, three miles running on that.

• 35:59Speaker 00

  Um, your cars after the double unders, that's it, like actual workout, it's just cardio, it's not hard.

• 36:04Chris Williamson?

  Mm-hmm.

• 36:04Speaker 00

  Just.

• 36:05Tim Briggs?

  Cardio.

• 36:06Speaker 00

  It's just cardio, yeah.

• 36:07Chris Williamson?

  I mean, there was a lot of people, if anyone's, wants to look at some good videos, if you check out the CrossFit Games Instagram and scroll back a little bit, there is a wealth of people throwing up down themselves.

• 36:17Speaker 00

  Mm.

• 36:18Chris Williamson?

  Wow, so for those of you who don't know what a skill mill or a true form runner is, it's like a self-powered treadmill that moves as you strike your foot.

• 36:25Speaker 00

  It's a treadmill, yeah.

• 36:26Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, your foot moves the actual, um, platform that you're on, rather than it moving and you having to keep up with it.

• 36:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:31Chris Williamson?

  So you determine your own speed.

• 36:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:33Chris Williamson?

  But what must have happened, because people were throwing up down themselves as they're on this thing.

• 36:36Speaker 00

  I would have been with them.

• 36:37Chris Williamson?

  It would have been flicking round.

• 36:38Speaker 00

  Poor judges.

• 36:39Tim Briggs?

  I know.

• 36:40Speaker 00

  Poor judges.

• 36:40Chris Williamson?

  You know, like when you go through mud on your bike, when you were a kid, and all up the back. So you'd need like a, a vomit guard on the front of the skill mill, in order to protect everyone from getting flickage.

• 36:50Tim Briggs?

  Do you know, quite a few of the treadmills turned off. So the way they had to judge it, there was a meter marked out on, with the white lines, if you saw it at regionals, there was white lines on the treadmill.

• 37:01Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 37:01Tim Briggs?

  And they had to count how many times the white line passed.

• 37:04Chris Williamson?

  The judge did.

• 37:05Speaker 00

  Five thousand.

• 37:05Tim Briggs?

  Five thousand, or four thousand eight hundred of those.

• 37:09Chris Williamson?

  It's fucking shit being a judge, isn't it?

• 37:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, it is, it's hard, it's a hard.

• 37:14Tim Briggs?

  Three hundred double unders is a hard.

• 37:15Speaker 00

  It's a hard again, like.

• 37:17Tim Briggs?

  Don't express either is or isn't, that's, that's pretty cool.

• 37:20Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, judging double unders.

• 37:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:21Speaker 03

  Just one of those things, you're literally just counting them and then all of a sudden, I'm like.

• 37:26Chris Williamson?

  Fuck knows.

• 37:26Tim Briggs?

  It's really fucking boring though, isn't it?

• 37:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, we'll load your fix or something.

• 37:29Chris Williamson?

  So I got to watch, I got to watch, um, Sam Briggs, Sarah Siegman Stotter and Emma McQuaid do eighteen point three.

• 37:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:37Chris Williamson?

  And, um, one of the coaches of, uh, CrossFit Club Lissandra had to judge Sam Briggs. Remembering that he was gonna go and do eighteen point three afterwards and be judged by them.

• 37:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:47Chris Williamson?

  And before he went over, I was like, mate, are you more nervous to judge her doing her effort or for her to judge you? And his like hand was like.

• 37:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:55Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, he was like, and you can see him there.

• 37:57Speaker 00

  It's proper twitchy, though, isn't it?

• 37:58Chris Williamson?

  Four hundred double unders twice, right, so like eight hundred chances to get it wrong.

• 38:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was, it was like a hundred double unders, then something else, then a hundred double unders, something else, yeah. Two rounds, yeah, two rounds of four rounds, yeah. Eight hundred opportunities to mess up.

• 38:10Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, exactly, in between everything else, and you could see from the side, and he's going.

• 38:15Tim Briggs?

  On the fingers.

• 38:18Chris Williamson?

  Like the most focused that you've ever seen someone in their life, like it definitely, definitely had more, um, more single mindedness when judging than when, when performing.

• 38:31Tim Briggs?

  So much relief, even judging him's pretty tough.

• 38:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm bad on the other one, there's like some.

• 38:36Tim Briggs?

  No, not even that, it's just you feel a bit like, even you're nervous about it, because you know the recording, you know, they're probably gonna get sent, one of them's gonna get sent off.

• 38:44Speaker 03

  I remember, I judged Jordan once in a, in a workout, it was one that actually got monitored, I actually got viewed by regionals, the squat clean one, wasn't it? And literally I'd just finished, like judging him and just finished it, I was like, fuck for that, the video and stuff. And literally someone came behind me and was like, I wouldn't give him those reps. And I was like.

• 38:59Tim Briggs?

  I know.

• 38:59Speaker 00

  Just bro.

• 39:00Speaker 03

  I was like, and then I, then I had to literally go over to Jordan and go, uh, we need to watch the video now, bro.

• 39:05Speaker 00

  Think you might need to do it again.

• 39:06Speaker 03

  But we watched the video back and we just like, we just like, because you can slow down, we were just like, nah, we're all fine.

• 39:10Chris Williamson?

  If you'd, um, if you'd not, if, if that had been sent off and CrossFit had HQ had adjudicated that you had given him reps, it shouldn't have been reps. Would that, would that have forced a lot of shit?

• 39:22Speaker 00

  No, it doesn't really, it doesn't really, it's not really that much of an issue.

• 39:25Speaker 03

  Always been approved.

• 39:26Speaker 00

  It's not really that much of an issue if you get a video disallowed, because I think, I think you get the choice to do it again.

• 39:32Chris Williamson?

  Right.

• 39:32Speaker 00

  So I think they said to you, look, you can do it again and you can repeat the score and you can video it and we'll accept your score. We'll not give you any more, but we'll not take anything away.

• 39:41Chris Williamson?

  Okay.

• 39:41Speaker 00

  Or we'll give you a penalty. So if it's less than like three or, I think if it's less than five reps, they don't give you a penalty.

• 39:46Chris Williamson?

  Okay.

• 39:47Speaker 00

  If it's more than five, they, they subtract 15% off your score.

• 39:49Chris Williamson?

  So there is a spectrum here. I thought it was, I thought it was like if.

• 39:52Speaker 00

  Because I mean, you get, you get some people.

• 39:53Tim Briggs?

  Josh Bridges, isn't it?

• 39:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, like Josh, happened to Josh Bridges.

• 39:56Chris Williamson?

  He's the expert on the deadlifts.

• 39:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, but like, what was weird about that is HQ had.

• 40:00Tim Briggs?

  Approved it.

• 40:01Speaker 00

  Approved the video and accepted it. And then when there was backlash from it, then they.

• 40:04Chris Williamson?

  Did you see the Brooke Wells one with the handstand press ups this year?

• 40:07Speaker 00

  No, I didn't see that.

• 40:07Tim Briggs?

  I heard about it, but I didn't, I didn't.

• 40:09Chris Williamson?

  She took it down straight away. So she filmed it on a potato at about 300 yards distance.

• 40:14Tim Briggs?

  Ah, nice.

• 40:14Chris Williamson?

  And, um.

• 40:15Tim Briggs?

  From a funny angle as well.

• 40:16Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, well, it's from like, from the floor.

• 40:18Speaker 00

  Did she go to regionals this year?

• 40:19Tim Briggs?

  Yeah.

• 40:19Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 40:20Speaker 00

  Did she go to games?

• 40:21Tim Briggs?

  Games.

• 40:21Speaker 00

  Oh shit, oh well, that's just how much I watch.

• 40:23Tim Briggs?

  It's handstand push ups.

• 40:23Chris Williamson?

  And they said, they, it went on the Reddit, so Reddit's like, just a melting pot for people who want to be adding that stuff.

• 40:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 40:32Chris Williamson?

  They, um, the, this video, particular video went up, people started scrutinizing it. And CrossFit have got a Reddit a, account and they replied on there and they said something to the effect of. The video isn't, the video isn't required to be proof of the athlete's score. It is to be an example of their work capacity to be able to complete it. So it's like, the, her actual score didn't matter, it's that she demonstrated that she could have got the score.

• 41:00Speaker 00

  Alright, okay, let's turn it around. Let's just, if that was me coming out of nowhere with her score.

• 41:06Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 41:07Speaker 00

  Completing the workout.

• 41:08Chris Williamson?

  The issue was their feet on the wall for the handstands, that's where, that's where people were debating.

• 41:13Speaker 00

  Like on a 20 minute work, I'm running a 60 minute 5K, so I can clearly do the work, yeah.

• 41:16Speaker 03

  It's hard, it's hard, isn't it, because, it's hard, isn't it, because like, you only have to put a video submission in if they, A, ask for the video. B, whether you're doing it without a judge and, you know, like you're in the middle of nowhere and you're having to send your videos in to be approved.

• 41:29Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 41:29Speaker 03

  Therefore, any other videos that get posted, really, are irrelevant, but obviously, they highlight if you're a bit of a cheating shit or you're not very good with your reps.

• 41:37Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 41:37Speaker 03

  Like, it highlights what you're doing, because that one guy, I think we mentioned it last time on the podcast, that one guy, that golden bloke who wasn't locking out, wasn't, wasn't locking out his push press. And like, bless him, his judge was ju, uh, box jumps, his judge was judging him, he was doing the reps, he was just doing what his judge said.

• 41:51Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 41:52Speaker 03

  He was like, yeah, I got this amazing score, then out of nowhere, one of his members who was in the background, like, you know, filming it, just out of nowhere, posted it online. Look how good my coach is bossing this.

• 42:02Chris Williamson?

  Killed him.

• 42:02Speaker 03

  And then literally, everyone tags CrossFit in, everyone posts, everyone's, like, slags him off. His full gym got disqualified.

• 42:10Speaker 00

  Full gym, oh my god, so that member.

• 42:12Speaker 03

  That member at the background.

• 42:13Chris Williamson?

  I mean, at the very least, that member's got to, they, they need to take a week off.

• 42:17Speaker 00

  It's an increase in fees, like, oh god.

• 42:20Chris Williamson?

  You've got, you've got at the very least.

• 42:22Speaker 03

  The member was just, the member was just proud.

• 42:24Speaker 00

  You're on the new race, lads, you're on the new race.

• 42:26Speaker 03

  But the member was just buzzing, the coach was a boss, do you know what I mean, and, and, and he was happy because the judge had told him he got the reps.

• 42:32Chris Williamson?

  There needs to be a line drawn in the sand somewhere, right? But apparently not anywhere near Brookwells.

• 42:37Speaker 03

  No.

• 42:37Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 42:37Speaker 00

  It wa, ah, a curve line.

• 42:39Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, very much, very much so, so what else?

• 42:41Speaker 03

  Do you know that Stadia Lane thing?

• 42:42Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 42:43Speaker 03

  It's got fuck all to do with me, she's not in our region, she's nowhere else, I don't even know what Reddit is, like, yeah, they should fuck.

• 42:49Chris Williamson?

  You do well on Reddit.

• 42:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, they should sort it out.

• 42:51Speaker 00

  Reddit is made for you.

• 42:53Speaker 03

  They should sort it.

• 42:54Chris Williamson?

  It's like forums made by Supreme.

• 42:56Speaker 03

  They should sort it out, by all means, but like, I don't really give a fuck about all these whiny CrossFitters whinging who can't even do a handstand push-up themselves, complaining about Brookwells potato, like.

• 43:06Tim Briggs?

  Pretty, pretty fit though, you know what I mean, like, she's proven that she can.

• 43:10Speaker 00

  I didn't see the video, I've heard of her name, she's probably really good at CrossFit, maybe she should be there.

• 43:14Chris Williamson?

  I'll link, I'll link whatever I can, I'll link, I'll link the thread in the show notes, so if you want to check a little bit more out about this on Reddit, then you'll be able to. Um, so what else at Regionals, was there anything else that you thought that was either good or not good?

• 43:23Speaker 00

  I, um, I thought the rest of the weekend was good, like the events were really, really good, really, really challenging.

• 43:29Chris Williamson?

  Visually quite cool, right, is there, make a little walk forward with the bars and stuff like that?

• 43:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, I like that, I think, uh, the venue was pretty decent, venue was good, food was terrible.

• 43:39Chris Williamson?

  We're not talking.

• 43:40Speaker 00

  No, we're talking Berlin, so.

• 43:42Chris Williamson?

  This will be the first time you could have been to Berlin, right?

• 43:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:46Speaker 03

  I've been to Berlin, but.

• 43:47Speaker 00

  It's the motherland for Tim.

• 43:48Chris Williamson?

  Well, yeah, I know, yeah, you're just surrounded by your own people, aren't you?

• 43:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:52Chris Williamson?

  Nineteen forty five.

• 43:53Speaker 03

  Nineteen forty five, straight up, yeah. Venue buttons down, sorry.

• 43:59Speaker 00

  Uh, food in the, in the venue was terrible.

• 44:02Chris Williamson?

  Was it supplied by like?

• 44:04Speaker 00

  Nobody, it's supplied by.

• 44:06Speaker 03

  The, the venue?

• 44:06Chris Williamson?

  I mean, can you imagine, let's say, let's say that we did it in the, the NEC or, I don't know, something in Birmingham or whatever, and it was held in the UK. And you got Catwalk Kitchen to go and.

• 44:16Speaker 03

  They'd make it for you.

• 44:17Chris Williamson?

  But the food, the food would be legit.

• 44:19Speaker 00

  But in like Copenhagen, a couple of years ago, that's what they did, so there was like six fans outside. And you went outside and there was like a huge picnic area and they nailed it in Copenhagen, I don't know why they moved it. It was a little bit out of the way, but like, it was nice, you were getting.

• 44:32Chris Williamson?

  But people from Copenhagen, uh, is Denmark still part of our region?

• 44:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, so they're like northern Europe now, but that still falls in our regional. So I don't, I don't know why they've moved it from there, but, um, it was, it was good, it was good fun.

• 44:46Speaker 03

  Most, most spectator, the spectator passes thing was a bit of a, was a bit of a thing, was a bit, was hard, they just sold out really quickly and then people weren't quite prepared and team people didn't know. Whether they were gonna get a free spectator pass or whatever, it's just, it's just stupid logistics. I actually thought, I actually thought it was really good, I didn't really have time to eat anywhere, but. I tried to go to that Food Springs thing that everyone loves, but it was about fucking eight euros for a, for a water and a dry fucking strawberry.

• 45:11Speaker 03

  Honestly, it turns into dust in your hand. Uh, there goes my sponsorship fucking deal, but eight euros.

• 45:20Speaker 03

  Bottle of wa, bottle of wa, I didn't even know it was a bottle of water, he just poured it in.

• 45:23Tim Briggs?

  I bought you that, that was fucking carny.

• 45:25Speaker 03

  I know, but I owe you.

• 45:28Tim Briggs?

  Two waters, eight quid.

• 45:30Speaker 00

  Unbelievable. I got in the affiliate lounge, I got in the affiliate lounge and I was like, oh lads, all the coffee's free and that, so I'll just bring it out for you. Went in, it was four euros for a coffee. What a bit of evaluation fees for. At least got the free coffee.

• 45:46Chris Williamson?

  Can't even get a free coffee.

• 45:48Speaker 03

  God damn.

• 45:48Speaker 00

  Oh, but uh, no, it was, it was good, it was good, it was um. Yeah, it was just long, it was a long weekend and very, very different, I think, for all of us.

• 45:57Chris Williamson?

  How much, Paul, how much sleep do you get at regional? Actually, no, I want to ask, I'm going to ask this.

• 46:01Speaker 03

  Do you know what?

• 46:02Chris Williamson?

  How much sleep do you get, first off?

• 46:03Speaker 03

  In general?

• 46:04Chris Williamson?

  When, yeah. Then, how do you, how much sleep do you get when it's the Thursday that the open workout gets announced?

• 46:10Speaker 03

  I have to be really honest that like this year I maybe didn't handle it the best.

• 46:15Speaker 03

  This year, I think like, last year we had like three athletes and then this year I think we had eighteen.

• 46:20Chris Williamson?

  Did it feel like spinning planes?

• 46:22Speaker 00

  With nutrition.

• 46:23Speaker 03

  And with, well, of course with more nutrition. Yeah, with about forty athletes, so.

• 46:28Chris Williamson?

  And Tim's still in, in one form or another across regionals.

• 46:32Speaker 00

  But prestigious, why Chris will go.

• 46:35Speaker 03

  Not, no, that's people who actually made it to regionals and I think Tim's got a few games athletes now. Um, so I think, um, so I think. So I think, you know, that's the people who qualified, not just all of the other, between however many clients, like the, you know, the extra four hundred, five hundred people we've got doing it.

• 46:53Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 46:53Speaker 03

  So I think this year, I think, um, yeah, I don't think I slept, I don't think I slept for five weeks.

• 46:58Chris Williamson?

  What about, um, when the open goes out on that Thursday night, can you tell me what, because I know that, I've sat in a seminar with you before. And you've said to the athletes who are trying to perform at a high level for the open. Yeah, go to bed, do not stay up and watch it, that's my job.

• 47:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:14Chris Williamson?

  And I've heard you say that sentence, is that how you work, how you do things when the open?

• 47:17Speaker 03

  That's how I did, that's how I did it. That's how I did it again last January, so I stayed and watched it and then I was in first in the gym.

• 47:25Chris Williamson?

  At six AM.

• 47:26Speaker 03

  Six AM to set, to put in tape down and to set the lanes up. Me and Ben, yeah, so we, we went there and set that up.

• 47:32Chris Williamson?

  So around.

• 47:32Speaker 03

  And then, and then you're on the phone to athletes all day and then, you know, if the workout doesn't go to plan or other people do, um, you know.

• 47:41Speaker 03

  For every two athletes to have a great workout, you're gonna have a whole fucking bunch of them who'll have a shit show.

• 47:45Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 47:45Speaker 03

  Do you know what I mean? And it's managing that expectation throughout five weeks. And I think, um, I think I could definitely have handled that, like in terms of the quantity better. Um, but again, like it's kind of the best five weeks ever at the same time.

• 48:00Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 48:00Speaker 03

  So you can't really, it's just intense.

• 48:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:03Tim Briggs?

  Christmas for prospectors, isn't it?

• 48:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's just the, it is the best five weeks. It just, you're just like, fuck, what's going on all for five weeks?

• 48:10Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, man, well, it's the, the parallel that I can draw with my industry is when it's Halloween. When it's Halloween, I'll do ten nights back to back to back. Yeah, exactly. And I'll get up on November the first and be like, bloody hell, like, where's the last two weeks of my life gone? Like, I can't, I'm barely awake during daylight and this, that and the other. And you're like, you're right, like these, I'm aware that it's not the same as pushing yourself through a marathon, but in a, to a degree, it kind of is.

• 48:36Speaker 03

  At least at Marathon, it's, it's, don't know.

• 48:39Chris Williamson?

  Three or four hours.

• 48:39Speaker 00

  This is God. I mean, even if you walk it, you finish in six.

• 48:43Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 48:43Tim Briggs?

  Like. I, I find a great, I found a great balance this year. It was like an athlete coach and like nutritionist. So, um, didn't watch it whatsoever in the lead up, looked at my phone, woke up in the morning, saw the workout call. Didn't look at my phone till I finished the workout. So I had to do the workout by ten AM.

• 49:02Chris Williamson?

  Okay.

• 49:03Tim Briggs?

  Cause I had.

• 49:03Chris Williamson?

  Is this a set of rules that you'd set yourself?

• 49:04Tim Briggs?

  Yes. So I had all my messages building up and building up and building up, literally saying, what, what do I eat? There's thrusters, what do I eat?

• 49:12Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 49:13Tim Briggs?

  What do I eat with thrusters?

• 49:14Chris Williamson?

  What is the food for thrusters? Cause apples is, no, but app- apples is for thrusters, right?

• 49:18Tim Briggs?

  Yeah.

• 49:19Chris Williamson?

  And then.

• 49:19Speaker 00

  Bananas for everything else.

• 49:21Chris Williamson?

  Bananas for everything else, except for, um, handstand push-ups.

• 49:25Tim Briggs?

  We're talking about sorin, right?

• 49:27Chris Williamson?

  Does pairs, cause pairs, pairs go the other way around.

• 49:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, I like that.

• 49:30Tim Briggs?

  But, um, yeah, so I just let all the emails mount up till I'd finished the workout about ten. And I just sat on my phone for a couple of hours.

• 49:37Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 49:38Tim Briggs?

  Did all my work, all my emails, got back to all my clients. So I could enjoy the rest of the day. So I didn't have anything social media wise until I finished the workout.

• 49:47Chris Williamson?

  That sounds like you've, um.

• 49:48Tim Briggs?

  Not really worked for me.

• 49:48Chris Williamson?

  I was gonna say, it sounds like you've got a good amount of discipline, a nice structure there.

• 49:51Tim Briggs?

  People really understood.

• 49:52Chris Williamson?

  But you think you can replicate that next year?

• 49:54Tim Briggs?

  Yeah, I'm aiming to.

• 49:56Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 49:56Speaker 03

  I'm just gonna do what Tim's doing. It's gonna be much better.

• 49:58Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. Oh, you, you know what you need to do? You need Tim to program your programming.

• 50:03Speaker 03

  Yeah. I just went even. I went in 24 hour E-mom of alternating between coffee and knockos.

• 50:10Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 50:11Speaker 03

  That was pretty much it. No, it was fun. It was really fun. It was just, it was just really intense this year, but it was cool. But it was, it was very different as well because it was like new region.

• 50:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:19Speaker 03

  It was like new format, less people going.

• 50:21Chris Williamson?

  I was gonna say, let's talk about the fact that the teams have now moved from six people to four.

• 50:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:26Chris Williamson?

  I don't think this has been released when we did our first podcast.

• 50:28Speaker 00

  No, it hadn't.

• 50:30Chris Williamson?

  So what's, what's, what does that mean for gyms overall? I know, I think of the Wasatch brutes or have Mayhem got three teams?

• 50:36Speaker 00

  Mayhem have got two, Invictus have got two as well.

• 50:40Tim Briggs?

  And they both, both qualified for the games.

• 50:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think it's just like, it's a lot more, uh, it's better to watch for definite because when there was six and you've got like eight lanes of six people on a field, like I see a field, but you know what I mean? In the field of play. It's like, what's going on?

• 50:57Chris Williamson?

  A bit chaotic.

• 50:58Speaker 00

  Looks like you've took a load of kids to like

• 51:00Tim Briggs?

  Yeah.

• 51:01Speaker 00

  Chuck E. Cheese or whatever and just fill them for coke.

• 51:03Speaker 03

  There was a workout this year which was like, two people were doing chest bar pull ups. Two people were running. If that had been the six, there would have been someone else doing something else, somewhere else. And it just ends up being like this big thing of chaos.

• 51:14Tim Briggs?

  Or just stood still.

• 51:15Speaker 03

  I think it was a better format.

• 51:16Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, because there was a lot of weight in that.

• 51:18Speaker 00

  I think you ended up with a better quality of competition as well because that, that's, most gyms have two good people.

• 51:25Chris Williamson?

  Of each gender.

• 51:25Speaker 00

  Two good males, two good females. That third one. This is going to come across bad and I don't mean it to, but they're kind of like the, the, the weakest link, basically.

• 51:34Chris Williamson?

  Well, by their very nature, yeah.

• 51:35Speaker 00

  They are. You know, they're the weakest link. So by having the two and the two, you, you have a much stronger team. So then the events are a lot more, they're a lot better to watch.

• 51:45Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 51:45Speaker 00

  And I mean, you saw it this year with like the amount of, the like, um, the amount of minimum work requirements that were hit. That weren't hit, sorry. There wasn't many that. Got stopped out, yeah, but even then, there was only two in our region, three in our region.

• 52:01Chris Williamson?

  A lot in the brilliant.

• 52:02Speaker 00

  Ten percent in our region though, which is nothing in comparison to other years when there was people getting stopped out the first day.

• 52:07Chris Williamson?

  So to the, to, for want of a better term, there's more people getting to regionals that are of a regionals standard.

• 52:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, I would say so, and I think.

• 52:14Chris Williamson?

  Because even, even with the teams, if the teams do well, but within that, the work requirement is, is not met by particular elements or couples or one, one person, which, which also can affect a cou- a couple or a pair, should I say. Um, yeah, that's an identifier of the fact that, yeah, there's some people that are kind of being pulled that are maybe hanging out at the coattails of athletes who are.

• 52:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 52:35Chris Williamson?

  Of a, of a standard that they're not quite at yet.

• 52:38Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 52:38Chris Williamson?

  Which is, which is not really, like, it's nice, oh, I went to regionals, it's like, well, yeah.

• 52:43Tim Briggs?

  He stood still and got the team capped.

• 52:45Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 52:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 52:46Chris Williamson?

  Like, you looked, you looked at a bar for a bit, like, do you know what I mean?

• 52:49Tim Briggs?

  Fucking awesome, look.

• 52:50Speaker 00

  It's a tough one, because it's like, you know, but the sport is, it's a competitive sport with sponsorships and money involved and all these things, like, it's no longer two thousand and ten, like, you're not rocking up a pair of board shorts and cracking on, it's a legit sport now, so, you know, if you're not going to be treated like, if it's not going to be treated like a legit sport, then you don't have a place in the sport.

• 53:07Chris Williamson?

  I, I like that, I think that, um, there's, we always talk, or we did on the last podcast, talk an awful lot about the inclusivity at a local level of CrossFit, that allows people of, from sedentary to actually quite fit rugby player, endurance athlete, whatever it is, to go in and find a training methodology which is challenging and rewarding.

• 53:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 53:29Chris Williamson?

  But, regionals is definitely not the place for inclusivity anymore.

• 53:33Speaker 00

  No, definitely not.

• 53:33Chris Williamson?

  And we don't, you know, as we, some of the stuff.

• 53:36Speaker 00

  Even in some respects, is the open as well, sorry to interrupt you there, but the open as well, you know, like, the scaling options now are not really scaling options, like, the scaling options were pull-ups, kip and pull-ups, like, getting kip and pull-ups at the gym is a big deal.

• 53:48Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 53:48Speaker 00

  Like, when people got the first kip and pull-ups, we're still high-fiving and running around and cheering everybody.

• 53:52Tim Briggs?

  It's still a huge moment.

• 53:53Speaker 00

  Whereas now, it's like.

• 53:53Tim Briggs?

  You want it for all the guys and stuff like that.

• 53:55Speaker 00

  Now it's like, oh, you know, no point in paying this at all, it's in registered for the.

• 53:59Tim Briggs?

  You're gonna get capped halfway through the.

• 54:00Speaker 00

  Savage. So it's like, it's.

• 54:02Chris Williamson?

  Bringing the standards of everything.

• 54:03Speaker 00

  Bringing the standards of everything up.

• 54:04Tim Briggs?

  But the bringing the standards of coaching up then, because you're like, right, next year, we must get.

• 54:10Chris Williamson?

  All of, all of.

• 54:10Speaker 00

  All of our athletes.

• 54:11Chris Williamson?

  Everybody in this gym must be able to get their chin over a.

• 54:13Tim Briggs?

  So good, like that you're challenging gyms to get to that point.

• 54:17Chris Williamson?

  Well, that's, that's a, that's an interesting point. So Dave Castro said in a video, I think it was like two thousand thirteen, two thousand fourteen. He says, it wouldn't surprise me if in X number of years' time, we will see male athletes who can run a five-minute. Mile that can deadlift five hundred pounds and can snatch like a hundred and twenty kilos or something like that. That you've got someone who is going to be as good in every speciality as the best within their division now.

• 54:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:44Chris Williamson?

  But across every different domain.

• 54:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:46Chris Williamson?

  And obviously what that means is, and you, you know, there, there's a repeat workout every year in CrossFit, right?

• 54:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:51Chris Williamson?

  And they always compare.

• 54:52Speaker 00

  Repeat this year?

• 54:53Tim Briggs?

  The last one?

• 54:54Speaker 00

  Oh, the last one, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 54:55Chris Williamson?

  They always compare what happened last time with what happened this time. And the statistics are this volume of like. The Josh Bridges won the, uh, won eighteen point five when it was eleven point six or something last time. And the score that he got that was the quickest in the world, remembering that he did it again this year, it was the same guy, but just with another seven years on him or whatever. That score was beaten, the best score on the planet, was beaten by like three hundred people.

• 55:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 55:21Chris Williamson?

  Or something like that, some crazy figure.

• 55:23Speaker 00

  But also it's a game of numbers as well, because, you know, like there was back in two thousand eleven, we.

• 55:27Chris Williamson?

  Much wider then.

• 55:28Speaker 00

  CrossFit, there was, there was two thousand people registered, three thousand people registered in Europe for the open. This year there was thirty five.

• 55:35Chris Williamson?

  Hmm.

• 55:35Speaker 00

  So that's times by ten.

• 55:36Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 55:36Speaker 00

  So, you know, like the growth has been massive, the growth's been massive. So, I mean, like. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of people in our gym, well, a few people in our gym who did that workout in two thousand eleven, me included. I think I got like six more reps. I got it rep a year, for a rep a year, that's it. All that training, a rep a year, you know what I mean? It's like, it's savage. Like, not good. Not good at all.

• 55:58Chris Williamson?

  But you were, you had AIDS.

• 56:01Speaker 00

  Oh, I thought I was gonna die, week two, I thought I was gonna die.

• 56:04Chris Williamson?

  Meningitis and with typhoid.

• 56:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, and uh, full spot, I went full tin bricks on the back as well.

• 56:09Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 56:09Speaker 00

  Full tin bricks. So, I mean, like, my open experience wasn't very good this year.

• 56:13Chris Williamson?

  Hmm.

• 56:13Speaker 00

  It wasn't good at all. Performed well and contributed to the team, which was the most important thing.

• 56:18Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 56:18Speaker 00

  But, um.

• 56:19Chris Williamson?

  I mean, there's a couple of workouts, you were talking about eighteen point three, should, should have been your jam, right?

• 56:25Speaker 00

  Well, eighteen point three, I mean, I came back fortieth in our region.

• 56:28Chris Williamson?

  But that was with.

• 56:28Speaker 00

  First workout I'd done after.

• 56:30Chris Williamson?

  You hadn't eaten a, you hadn't eaten a solid meal for like.

• 56:32Speaker 00

  Nah, I had two and a half weeks off and I couldn't repeat it again because I was, I was literally broken. Like I was coughing along up after a team judges, I was, I was dying. So, I think I did five sessions in five weeks and they were just the open workouts.

• 56:46Speaker 03

  The amount of people who got ill during the open was ridiculous.

• 56:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, it wasn't good.

• 56:49Chris Williamson?

  You need to manage, you need to manage immunity.

• 56:51Speaker 00

  Didn't have a cold enough winter, Chris, that's what it was. It wasn't cold enough, that was the trouble, didn't kill off any of the.

• 56:56Chris Williamson?

  Well, do you not remember?

• 56:57Speaker 00

  It was long stop winter, it was still winter at Easter.

• 57:00Chris Williamson?

  When we, everyone, everyone wasn't able to do, um, which was it, was it eighteen point four?

• 57:05Speaker 00

  Snow, yeah.

• 57:06Chris Williamson?

  When there was snow drifts.

• 57:07Speaker 00

  No, that was eighteen point two, that was the clean one.

• 57:09Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 57:09Speaker 00

  That was the.

• 57:10Chris Williamson?

  Mate, think about Iceland, because I was off.

• 57:12Tim Briggs?

  They fucking crush it.

• 57:13Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 57:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:14Chris Williamson?

  But I mean, they're, they're all.

• 57:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, they're gear footed.

• 57:16Chris Williamson?

  Oh, I mean, they're all on like.

• 57:17Speaker 00

  People were like.

• 57:18Chris Williamson?

  Tobogganing, Sarah Seigman started tobogganing to the gym and.

• 57:21Speaker 00

  Ford Fiesta, isn't that crashing down by the bank, it wasn't a good time.

• 57:24Tim Briggs?

  I, I murdered, he crashed my car, didn't I?

• 57:26Chris Williamson?

  Did you?

• 57:27Speaker 00

  Tim just, he couldn't drive it, he was out banging it in Kuwait, he'll be fine. I walked past him, my headphones didn't completely blanked him.

• 57:33Chris Williamson?

  Whilst we were all trying to push.

• 57:34Speaker 00

  Trying to push his car, my headphones in, totally walked straight past him.

• 57:37Chris Williamson?

  Were you in classics? You wouldn't have helped anyway, would you?

• 57:39Speaker 00

  No, James Scott, James Scott came and grabbed me and then I went back and told them they were all doing it wrong.

• 57:44Tim Briggs?

  No, he didn't, he tried to push, he was like, it's best if you just leave it.

• 57:48Chris Williamson?

  Thanks.

• 57:49Tim Briggs?

  Okay.

• 57:49Chris Williamson?

  Cheers mate.

• 57:50Speaker 00

  But I was right.

• 57:52Chris Williamson?

  And did you leave it?

• 57:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:53Tim Briggs?

  Yeah, got it towed, got it towed out.

• 57:54Chris Williamson?

  A specialist?

• 57:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, Gary, sorted it out, didn't he?

• 57:58Tim Briggs?

  He did?

• 57:59Chris Williamson?

  Well, Ben Kennedy's got an approach, isn't he? He just takes like five twenty kilo plates from the gym and puts them in the boot of his car.

• 58:04Speaker 00

  I've got a better approach, don't buy a BMW, that's a better approach.

• 58:07Tim Briggs?

  In hindsight.

• 58:10Speaker 00

  Tim's a green, Tim's a green.

• 58:12Chris Williamson?

  Hmm. Mate, a hundred kilos in the boot of your car.

• 58:14Speaker 03

  Andy Stock, I loved it, knee just whipping around minutes.

• 58:17Speaker 00

  You're helping people.

• 58:20Chris Williamson?

  Running over sirens on the top of them, driving over smaller cars, driving over the top of them. He's loving it. Yeah. Brilliant. Getting his dog out and like attaching like.

• 58:30Tim Briggs?

  Snow dogs.

• 58:31Chris Williamson?

  Thing behind it, yeah, scampering away.

• 58:33Speaker 03

  He'll have been so happy with himself.

• 58:35Tim Briggs?

  He would have.

• 58:35Chris Williamson?

  Well, that's like his, this is, that's, this is my calling, this is my time to shine.

• 58:40Speaker 00

  Running around with that chocolate, with a shotgun on his back.

• 58:42Speaker 03

  Like when Homer becomes Mr Plough.

• 58:44Speaker 00

  Probably had that camel gi lei on as well.

• 58:47Tim Briggs?

  Oh mate, of course he was wearing the camel gi lei. Rebook camel gi lei from, off of Jordan. Obviously he didn't want.

• 58:54Speaker 00

  I've never worn it.

• 58:55Chris Williamson?

  How was it the same si- how were you two the same size?

• 58:57Speaker 00

  I don't know, but it fits him. I think he made it fit. It's a gi lei though innit, so, you know what I mean, it can be tight.

• 59:02Tim Briggs?

  Hmm.

• 59:03Speaker 00

  You don't have to wear a shirt.

• 59:04Tim Briggs?

  You don't have to zip it, and that's the glorious part about it.

• 59:06Speaker 00

  I mean, it's camel, you can't see anything.

• 59:08Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, chestless, bodyless.

• 59:11Speaker 00

  Armless.

• 59:11Chris Williamson?

  Armless, everything.

• 59:12Speaker 00

  Just beast.

• 59:13Chris Williamson?

  So as we move forward towards the Games, um, are there any athletes or teams or anything that you are surprised by? Or that, is there any elements moving forward that you think are going to be interesting for people to watch, like with?

• 59:25Tim Briggs?

  So with, with athletes, um, back to regionals a little bit as well. So I worked with Kelly Frill when she was there.

• 59:32Chris Williamson?

  Okay.

• 59:32Tim Briggs?

  And she had a completely different mindset to everybody in the room because she'd already qualified for the Games with the Masters qualifiers for the forty to forty-four category.

• 59:41Chris Williamson?

  Okay, but was then also deciding.

• 59:44Tim Briggs?

  Also individual.

• 59:45Speaker 00

  Ridiculous.

• 59:46Tim Briggs?

  Um.

• 59:47Chris Williamson?

  Just because you can.

• 59:48Tim Briggs?

  Just because you can. But in the back room, it was a completely different scenario to everything I'd seen with everybody else. She's having fun, she's there for a training weekend.

• 59:57Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 59:58Tim Briggs?

  She just wanted to do the best she could.

• 59:59Chris Williamson?

  Demonstrate her skills.

• 1:00:00Tim Briggs?

  Yeah, and everyone was kind of in awe of, like, she's a forty-year-old mum or two and she'd worked hard to be there.

• 1:00:07Speaker 03

  It's all she got introduced to, she was like, everyone's only introducing me as this.

• 1:00:11Tim Briggs?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:11Speaker 03

  Like brilliant.

• 1:00:11Tim Briggs?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:12Speaker 03

  That's right. Everyone loves a fight.

• 1:00:13Tim Briggs?

  Yeah, it was amazing because she was just having a laugh, we were just having a laugh in the back room, just telling her what to do, she was warming up, she was happy to be there.

• 1:00:20Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:21Tim Briggs?

  Then you looked around the room, all these Scandinavian birds with their headphones in, like, tuning out life with the motivational coach, sort of deciding, you can't, you can't, you can't.

• 1:00:30Speaker 00

  It's been intense.

• 1:00:31Tim Briggs?

  Yeah, it's rather intense in the back.

• 1:00:33Speaker 00

  That was one thing I noticed this year.

• 1:00:35Tim Briggs?

  So refreshing.

• 1:00:36Speaker 00

  So interesting to see.

• 1:00:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think, I think, I think we were talking about earlier, we've kind of just skipped over it, I think the mindset thing is where they go. And, and that, and I think there was a lot of people there who were just like, I'm a full-on.

• 1:00:46Tim Briggs?

  You love the mindset stuff.

• 1:00:47Speaker 03

  Nah, I just think. It just depends on the individual, doesn't it?

• 1:00:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:00:51Speaker 03

  You guys are fine, but you guys are you guys. I do think. And I, and I think you've got people there who like need to tune out and need to not worry about all the stuff. And you see it with certain athletes, like, we talked about this about certain athletes, I'm not gonna mention their names, but their habits changing.

• 1:01:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, but like, I don't think that's necessarily a mindset thing. I think it's a habit thing.

• 1:01:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:09Speaker 00

  That's, I think that's two, I think they're two different issues.

• 1:01:11Speaker 03

  Okay, well then, whether you wanna call it habit thing, but there's certain characteristics of certain people show that you could predict their failure.

• 1:01:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:18Speaker 03

  Or predict their outcome or like prior to and things that they need to change.

• 1:01:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:23Speaker 03

  Like, you know. That's character. I'd say that's their character, how you can. Well, we can, we can go through semantics of different terminologies of it, but if someone's doing some habitual shit. Mm-hmm. Which means you can tell that they're overcompensating because they're bricking it. Yeah. And then they get there and then they actually just shit their pants at the start and then fail, like fail, because you know they're worried. Mm-hmm. Then that habitual stuff has to be dealt with. Mm-hmm. I mean, or you can turn around and have this, like, like you guys, like quite fixed mindset of, right, you guys shouldn't be there because you, you know, you can't suck it up and you can't deal with it. But, but no, but I'm saying that you have to deal with, you have, but you, you have to, well, is the coach the right person to, is the coach the right person to?

• 1:02:06Speaker 03

  Depends whether you coach or programme or what your thing is. If you're there to warm them up, but you know, you can't be, might not necessarily be the same person to give them little tickles and tell them, you know, stop checking out chicks on Instagram. Like, do you know what I mean? If that's the thing that they're doing that's causing them issues or checking out other athletes on social media or shit talking yourself. Or having a really bad time after a workout. These are habitual things that people are put in a place where they smell failure in the first workout and then they, and then they go fail. And then you've got that guy, then you have that guy in that other region who was like in the third heat in the last workout and then he got like the best time and went to the games. He was in the crowd having a beer. Mm. Because he didn't think he was there and he was chilled out and he, and he, and he smashed the world.

• 1:02:45Speaker 00

  He was in a coma this time last year as well, they don't know that. So he's the athlete, you know? Oh, he's the guy from the Pacific Regional. He was like in a, yeah, like really bad health last year. He went and came fifth in Pacific Region this year. Yeah, absolute badass, like completely.

• 1:02:58Speaker 03

  But, but he was in the third, he was in the third heat on the last day, so he was like, nowhere near going. Yeah. Like he wasn't one of the guys scrapping at the top. Or something. Totally bossed the final workout. Nailed it. Then was like, awesome, great weekend, went in the crowd, started having a beer. Yeah. Chilling out and then they're like.

• 1:03:10Speaker 00

  Games, ba-ba.

• 1:03:11Speaker 03

  Don't need to call you back out, dude. And he's like, oh. Fuck. But do you know what I mean? If, but if, if you, if you think. If you're already, if you're, if you're already on the beers after day one, cause you know what I mean, cause running on a treadmill isn't your jam.

• 1:03:24Chris Williamson?

  Heads in the shed.

• 1:03:25Speaker 03

  Do you know what I mean? And then, and then all you're gonna do is let yourself decline. And it's like, well, it's, you know, I said there should be a level of autonomy. So at that point, you should be prepared to handle your position. Like you shouldn't need somebody to come and give you a little hug on your favourite blanket.

• 1:03:39Chris Williamson?

  Out onto the competition.

• 1:03:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:03:40Speaker 00

  I think a lot of that though can be like, eh, can be taken care of by like people being more prepared.

• 1:03:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:46Speaker 00

  So like if you're going to regional.

• 1:03:47Speaker 03

  Well, no, I think, I think, I think, I think this stuff needs to be dialed in now.

• 1:03:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:51Speaker 03

  Like I think, I think if you're gonna go, if you wanna go to regionals next year.

• 1:03:54Chris Williamson?

  How would you go about it?

• 1:03:55Speaker 03

  And at any point during the season, you used to go, oh God, did you see that dude snatch? You're like, you need to stop looking at other guys' snatches and sort your fucking shit out.

• 1:04:03Speaker 00

  Not just that, not even like the social media stuff, cause that's inevitable.

• 1:04:05Speaker 03

  No, but I think that's the stuff, that's the stuff that I see and the dialogue that I get, cause most people contact us through social media.

• 1:04:10Speaker 00

  I think more like training stuff, like, you know, if you look at that first event, you think, oh God, three miles on a treadmill. That'd be funny, but you're not really that fit. You can't run three miles on one of those skill mills. When you're supposed to be one of the top forty fittest people in Europe, like have a word. Like seriously have a word. And you know, people could say that to me and they counteract it. Well, oh, you wanna be one of the fittest people in Europe, but you can't snatch one ten.

• 1:04:33Speaker 03

  But that.

• 1:04:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, but you know, I wasn't there to say.

• 1:04:36Speaker 03

  But that's, that's down to if we're going down the mindset route, which you know, you, you guys ain't, aren't into as much. And I'm just like, I just hear the term, I hear the terminology, that's reframing, isn't it?

• 1:04:44Speaker 00

  Eh, yeah.

• 1:04:46Speaker 03

  Like I've got to end you with three miles on the treadmill. Actually, everyone's got to end you with three miles on the treadmill. And I know that I can suffer more than everyone else.

• 1:04:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:04:53Speaker 03

  Like I'm the dude that is gonna puke on myself and still finish. Like if you, if you're going in the way. Yeah, exactly. And in that, in that attitude of going into it, that's very different, cause they're both looking at the same thing differently.

• 1:05:04Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I feel like to be fair, I feel like I'm being quite dismissive of the mindset stuff, which I don't wanna come across as being dismissive, but I just think it's a bit arty farty personally.

• 1:05:11Tim Briggs?

  I think it's very interesting. But there is a lot of niche underneath where you can go with like self-talk, preparation is a key thing.

• 1:05:19Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:19Tim Briggs?

  Like you're talking a lot about prep and.

• 1:05:21Speaker 03

  I think it's all prep.

• 1:05:22Tim Briggs?

  Deal with a comp. You need, you need that, whether it's somebody to talk to, whether it's your coach, whether it's just your girlfriend at home, you're saying, hey, look, stop looking at Instagram.

• 1:05:33Chris Williamson?

  Give me some perspective.

• 1:05:34Tim Briggs?

  Yeah. Have some perspective, just take some time away from that then.

• 1:05:37Chris Williamson?

  I wanna touch on a few things that we've come up with there. So one of them is, I'll ask a bunch of questions and I'll let you all go after that.

• 1:05:45Chris Williamson?

  Firstly, do you think that athletes should leave their phones at home for regionals?

• 1:05:51Tim Briggs?

  Should we go down the queue and...

• 1:05:53Chris Williamson?

  Do you think that their performance would, how much do you think their performance would either increase, decrease or not change back if they left their phone at home, Paul?

• 1:05:59Speaker 03

  Depends on the individual.

• 1:06:00Chris Williamson?

  Right, okay, but for some individuals.

• 1:06:02Speaker 03

  For some individuals, yes.

• 1:06:05Chris Williamson?

  You're talking like quantifiable percentages, like it could be a reps and places potentially.

• 1:06:11Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, but I think those people are probably then, the people they were watching are around them. By that stage of the competition, so not on a screen in front of them, so they're already kind of, they've already set it in. I don't think the problem necessarily is game day. I think the problem is, is how you're perceiving it fucking six months before.

• 1:06:30Chris Williamson?

  I mean, if you can't handle Instagram over a competition weekend, there's probably some mindset.

• 1:06:34Speaker 03

  Again, you're probably, you're probably, you're probably already kind of like.

• 1:06:37Chris Williamson?

  Defeated. What about your turn? Do you think athletes should maybe consider leaving their phone at home?

• 1:06:41Tim Briggs?

  A hundred percent. Not home, just away.

• 1:06:43Chris Williamson?

  Hotel.

• 1:06:44Tim Briggs?

  Yes, away for the game day. Probably look at the leaderboard, don't look into it too much. But yet again, what Paul was saying was in the warm up area, handstand walks over the thing, some girls are crushing it, some girls won't. You instantly compare yourself. You're like, shit, I can't do that.

• 1:07:01Chris Williamson?

  But you, I mean, you, you, you scale that, your capacity to compare yourself infinitely when you access the internet.

• 1:07:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:08Tim Briggs?

  Yes.

• 1:07:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, the amount of people that like we, like so say we went into the, that workout, the as a team, the handstand walk one. With a lot of weighting on like women, everyone in the team could do the handstand walks.

• 1:07:21Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:21Speaker 03

  It got to game day, actually not everyone could do them on, on the day, just in, just in the, in the event and in the moment. And the reality is, is like we underperformed on how we done it in the gym several times, but we still got like seventh in that workout.

• 1:07:34Tim Briggs?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:35Speaker 03

  Work and you know.

• 1:07:35Tim Briggs?

  And everybody performed, we would have been a lot higher though.

• 1:07:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, but for our point of view. All we'd seen on the internet and on Instagram was everyone who was finished it. You know, ninety percent of videos on that were people posting videos of them completing it.

• 1:07:47Chris Williamson?

  No one was posting videos of them face planting off the side.

• 1:07:50Tim Briggs?

  Quite a few did, but then it was the next one like, oh grateful.

• 1:07:53Speaker 03

  So if you're seeing a hundred people and a hundred percent of them are finishing it, then you're going to assume that a hundred percent of people can do it. And that wasn't real, was it?

• 1:08:03Chris Williamson?

  This is a microcosm for social media in general though. You see the best of everyone else's life, seeing the worst of your own.

• 1:08:09Tim Briggs?

  You don't even recognise people from social media a lot of the time.

• 1:08:12Chris Williamson?

  Oh yeah, for sure. For sure. What about you, Jordan? What's your thoughts on playing to those phones and stuff?

• 1:08:16Speaker 00

  I don't know. I mean, personally, I always take mine and leave it in my bag though. Like, I don't, I'm quite like chilled on my phone, it doesn't really bother us. I don't really spend a lot of time on social media, like, um, yeah, it just doesn't really affect us. Like, I don't really compare myself to others.

• 1:08:33Chris Williamson?

  What's interesting here is that you've got, you two guys who I definitely think have got an innate appropriate mindset to a degree. Like, I'm sure it could be better, but I definitely, I definitely think that for a lot of people, if you said, would you like to swap your mindset with regards to working out and suffering and enduring discomfort physically within a sport, with Jordan's and Tim's, I think a lot of people would probably go, yeah, I'm going to benefit from that. Like, and I think what you're saying here, Paul, is also very valuable about the fact that there are, there are some people, Jordan, you have, within your fitness arsenal, you have certain elements of which,

• 1:09:16Chris Williamson?

  like, your ability to do a five-minute double unders and thrusters workout versus your max squat snatch.

• 1:09:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:09:25Chris Williamson?

  Is weighted in one direction instead of another.

• 1:09:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:09:28Chris Williamson?

  But in the same way as someone's physical capability may be very heavily weighted away from their mental capacity.

• 1:09:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, you can have all the mental capacity in the world, but if you can't lift the bar, you can't lift the bar.

• 1:09:39Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:40Speaker 00

  Do you know what I mean? But like, everyone can do a forty-five pound thruster and a double under. Like, there's no physical limitation stopping you doing that. There's a physical limitation with lifting a bar. You can either do it or you can't.

• 1:09:52Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:52Speaker 00

  You can either lift the weight or you can't lift the weight. Do you know what I mean?

• 1:09:55Chris Williamson?

  I think that's what, when you were talking about reframing there, I think that's a good point that, I mean, I'm sure to a degree a hundred and ten kilos is a, is a goal for yourself.

• 1:10:05Speaker 00

  To use it as an example, it's like the open workout in twenty. Seventeen, which was the squat snatch workout, but you watched us do so. PB four times. PB four times, like, like I came like five hundredth in Europe on that workout. I could look at that and go, shit, I came five hundredth. I could look and go, I'm PB four times. So like. Your one rep max snatch. Yeah, I did four times. After a shitload of other work. All of those eighty kilo ones, which was like, you know, eighty three percent of my one rep max at the time. So it's like, you know, I could look at that and be neg- negative about it and go, well, I came five hundredth and yeah, that cost me going to regionals. Cause I was like top fifty in the rest of them. Or I could look at it and go, well, I couldn't have done any more. So I didn't fail. If anything, I actually exceeded expectations.

• 1:10:48Speaker 00

  If you sent me at the beginning of the day, gonna hit four snatches at a hundred kilos. I would have high fived you and went and had my burger early. Do you know what I mean? Like, so.

• 1:10:57Speaker 03

  I think this is the mindset that we've got in our gym though. I think we're lucky because we get that culture within our gym environment.

• 1:11:03Tim Briggs?

  We've got a competitive culture for sure.

• 1:11:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I, and I, and I, but I think we've got a pretty good, I think we've managed to like instill a pretty good mindset with good role models. So I think, so I think we're quite, thinking in a gym, we're lucky. I think, I don't, don't worry about the mindset of the people we work with. I think they're all badass. It's like the people we work directly in the gym, like they're all amazing.

• 1:11:23Tim Briggs?

  But I think. There is some who segregate themselves and you can see don't have it. Often though, and say we're doing some programming from wherever, they just segregate from all the classes. Go in the corner and they've got, I'm wrapped sixty burpees. They'll give up at like two minutes. You can see them, you can see them even in like a snatch workout or hitting a one R M though. They'll drop back subconsciously. So they.

• 1:11:50Speaker 00

  Just let the foot off the gas a little bit, right?

• 1:11:52Tim Briggs?

  Yeah. Because there's no one there, they're not really countable to anybody or.

• 1:11:56Speaker 00

  I think that external. I think a lot of that as well is that they're probably not that bought in.

• 1:11:59Tim Briggs?

  Hmm.

• 1:11:59Speaker 00

  Like.

• 1:12:01Chris Williamson?

  It's belief, isn't it?

• 1:12:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, like, you know, we've all had programming from different coaches, you know, not, not the guys that are sitting here, but these guys program for me now, but you know, I've had programming from other people in the past where I've looked at it and, and it's been really tough, but I've been so bought into it that I've just gone, right, well, that's what's required, I've got to do it, you know, like, my, my old coach, Jowsey, had me doing like four Kellys, so I would do five rounds of Kelly, rest five minutes at four times, it's like two hours, and it was like complete madness, and it was rough, but it was like, it was what, what, it was what, what was required, yeah, it was written down, so once it's written down, it has to be done.

• 1:12:38Chris Williamson?

  I think that commitment to, um, unwavering commitment to completing the work.

• 1:12:43Speaker 00

  It's also a trust as well, you've got to trust your coach.

• 1:12:46Chris Williamson?

  I think as well, another, another element of that, what, what that obviously carries forwards, and you, you touched on habit before. If you have the, um, idiosyncratic habit of what I see on paper is what I do

• 1:13:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:13:03Chris Williamson?

  in the gym, like, without question, I think that the more that you can cultivate that, because I know, you know, I sometimes get programming, I go, fucking hell, like, you, you, you make the excuse just as it's getting hard, oh, well, like, you know, I, I really do need to get to work now, like, I, I, I've got, I've got a reason about that, you've always got a reason why,

• 1:13:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:13:21Chris Williamson?

  why I can drop it off, and I think that if you are getting coaching, and this is powerlifting, Johnny from Pro Pain would say the same thing with regards to his powerlifting thing, some of the sessions, some of the volume that he has to do, really quite terrible.

• 1:13:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:13:34Chris Williamson?

  And. One rep every six minutes. Yeah, true.

• 1:13:41Chris Williamson?

  You do have a lot of rest, um, like, but sometimes, sometimes it's more than more, sometimes it's like three, three, yeah, half, like quarters, three board press, um.

• 1:13:57Chris Williamson?

  Um, on those sessions, he has to use the piece of paper as his external accountability if there's someone there.

• 1:14:03Speaker 00

  It's written down.

• 1:14:04Chris Williamson?

  But I think it's very hard, I think it's very, I think it's very difficult when it gets testing to rely on, like, just a promise that you made yourself. I said I was going to complete this work, therefore I've got to complete this work.

• 1:14:17Speaker 00

  I think as well, like, the biggest progress that I ever made as an athlete and like with my, um. Like, mental approach to training was, like, even if, say I've got four rounds of Kelly and I do the first three under twenty.

• 1:14:30Chris Williamson?

  What's Kelly?

• 1:14:31Speaker 00

  Uh, four hundred, it's brutal, four hundred metre run, it's not brutal on its own, but when you have to do four then it's rough. Four hundred metre run, thirty wall ball, it's thirty wall balls first.

• 1:14:40Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:40Speaker 00

  Thirty four balls, thirty box jumps, five rounds. So it was five rounds of that, rest five minutes, four times.

• 1:14:45Chris Williamson?

  Twenty rounds.

• 1:14:45Speaker 00

  Twenty rounds, yeah, rough. Um, but like, so let's say you do that in the first three or under twenty minutes. Like, I, I used to get, if I didn't get the fourth one under twenty minutes, I'd be like, failed.

• 1:14:56Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:56Speaker 00

  Now I'm like, well, nah, I did the fourth one, so at least I stayed and did it. If it takes me twenty five minutes, I still completed the, the work, you know what I mean?

• 1:15:03Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:04Speaker 00

  So, it's because I always used to treat training as a competition.

• 1:15:07Chris Williamson?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:15:07Speaker 00

  Whereas, you can't, you can't train like that, because if you do, you just burn out.

• 1:15:11Chris Williamson?

  You fuck your shit.

• 1:15:12Speaker 00

  Burn out.

• 1:15:12Chris Williamson?

  Well, but.

• 1:15:13Tim Briggs?

  You look amazing in the gym.

• 1:15:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, you look great in the gym.

• 1:15:15Tim Briggs?

  Phenomenal in the gym.

• 1:15:15Speaker 00

  And then you.

• 1:15:16Chris Williamson?

  You go home and you're right.

• 1:15:17Speaker 00

  Like, I'm the polar opposite of that, like, I train really bad, but then I compete reasonably well.

• 1:15:21Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:22Speaker 00

  In, in certain competitions, depending on the events.

• 1:15:24Chris Williamson?

  Do you find, uh, I'm asking the question, do you think that people who have a bad mindset, do you think that you can probably highlight some athletes that require mindset work by the ones who perform well in training and badly in competition?

• 1:15:40Speaker 00

  I would say maybe it's for a competition mindset, but maybe it's not a trainer mindset, because people who are training well in the gym are obviously clearly motivated. Probably just missing that, that thing that gets them to.

• 1:15:50Tim Briggs?

  Unless they're overtraining, it'll probably be the coach as well.

• 1:15:53Speaker 00

  Tired, you know, like, that's also a big thing.

• 1:15:55Tim Briggs?

  I've, I've, I've been going, just massively overtraining, under resting, putting a lot of pressure on myself to try and do well. So do more programmes, do more programming, get to the competition, whether it's the Open, anything like that, then shit, I don't have anything else.

• 1:16:10Chris Williamson?

  You've got nothing in the town.

• 1:16:11Tim Briggs?

  Nah, fuck, I've worked, I've overtrained for two years to get to this point.

• 1:16:14Chris Williamson?

  Two degrees, you know, I think a lot of the time people, what's the Greg Glassman quote, is it being pressed by intensity not volume or something like that?

• 1:16:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think it's like a. It's like a fine line with that because you get people who, you know, like volume, like I've responded really well to volume, so I can do a lot of volume, I respond really, really well.

• 1:16:31Chris Williamson?

  And you've, you've had um muscle fibre analysis done or something, which actually told you that.

• 1:16:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, I respond well to doing a lot of volume. So like for, for example, sprints like kick my ass, but like a, a five K run or a 10 K run or half marathon, I would, I wouldn't be as broken from the next day. I said that I did run 10 K last Sunday and I was broken for three days. But um, but you know what I mean? Like my body responds better to that. But I think it just depends on the individual, depends on the athlete. Some people can only need to train an hour a day. Some people need to train three hours a day.

• 1:17:04Chris Williamson?

  Okay, so.

• 1:17:05Tim Briggs?

  Some people tell themselves they need to train three hours a day. But then it's back to that Instagram thing that, oh shit, he's done eight sessions in a day. Probably not.

• 1:17:13Speaker 00

  Fourteen stone a day.

• 1:17:14Tim Briggs?

  Fourteen stone a day.

• 1:17:16Chris Williamson?

  Um, so before we wrap up, someone who's listening, this podcast is going to be about mindset within sport to a degree. Are there any resources that you guys think if someone wants to learn a little bit more, is there anything that's helped you sort of with framing any YouTube videos, any podcasts, any?

• 1:17:35Speaker 00

  Paul's probably the one to chat about, cause he, to chat to, cause he's, I used to do a bit of reading on it, but I think, but for me, for me, it's like. For me. What book are you reading now? What book are you reading, what book are you on, son? Um, but for me, I, I, I would just say, um, the, the Dave Goggins podcast with, uh, Joe Rogan is actually really interesting in terms of mindset because he was somebody who, you know, came from being obese, out of shape, um, really demotivated, actually quite seriously ill. Somebody who's now like arguably the fittest guy on the planet. So, um, that's a really good podcast to listen to. Also, any of the podcasts that have got like, like Jason, I like, um, Jason Kleber's podcast as well, that Unrappment mentality.

• 1:18:20Speaker 00

  Obviously, he's a guy who's not a competitive athlete anymore, but owns multiple businesses, got a family, you know, a daughter that's not very well. I mean, I think she's doing better now, but he's got all these things going on in his life and he's still able to train well, run his businesses, da, da, da. He balances everything quite well.

• 1:18:36Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:36Speaker 00

  So obviously he's got a pretty clear mindset as to what he's doing. His stuff's good. That's about it really for me.

• 1:18:41Chris Williamson?

  Tim, anything that you like?

• 1:18:43Tim Briggs?

  Well, not, not really in that type of thing, but I don't really read too much into it because. It's gonna sound quite bad. I believe that it's quite innate.

• 1:18:53Chris Williamson?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:18:54Tim Briggs?

  You can talk to yourself and get around certain issues in terms of anxiety and things, but like a lot of people tell themselves they're mentally strong, but I would love to try and test that and.

• 1:19:08Chris Williamson?

  Well, I think, I think that's actually quite a liberating thing to say, because what it means is that a lot of these problems are self-created.

• 1:19:15Tim Briggs?

  Yeah, yeah, they'll know that it's self-created or they can get around it or something like that, but they tell themselves that they're so mentally strong until something comes up. Where it's a certain level of threshold where it will break them.

• 1:19:25Chris Williamson?

  There is that disconnect.

• 1:19:26Tim Briggs?

  I, I hundred percent agree that um these people that do hashtag it should be waterboarded.

• 1:19:35Tim Briggs?

  And see, see how mentally strong they are.

• 1:19:40Tim Briggs?

  Let's see how, let's see how long you can really last for that hashtag with your hard work pays off.

• 1:19:46Speaker 00

  Which hashtag? Any of them, the grind?

• 1:19:49Tim Briggs?

  Oh, the grind, hustle, humble.

• 1:19:52Chris Williamson?

  Can we, can we ban, can we ban some hashtags now?

• 1:19:54Speaker 00

  I like the grind. I think it's good.

• 1:19:56Chris Williamson?

  Which ones, cause which one's grinding and which one's hustling?

• 1:19:58Speaker 00

  We put a vote on them. We put a poll on them. We put a poll on the Instagram. It was uh, I would, no, I put Alex Murphy CrossFit on it and it was what's more important, the grind or the hustle? And I think the hustle actually won.

• 1:20:09Chris Williamson?

  They just tick off the.

• 1:20:11Tim Briggs?

  Instagram facts.

• 1:20:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, Instagram facts.

• 1:20:13Tim Briggs?

  But back to it, if you, if you need some form of mental training, I'd get a coach, get a coach for you believe in. Get some accountability and get your life taken care of in terms of your programming, your belief, your nutrition.

• 1:20:28Chris Williamson?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:20:28Tim Briggs?

  Get all those aspects dialed in to something where you believe. It might be warrior program, it might not be.

• 1:20:34Chris Williamson?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:20:34Tim Briggs?

  It might be whoever else is out there who you think.

• 1:20:37Speaker 00

  Who else do?

• 1:20:38Tim Briggs?

  I don't know. I know the program.

• 1:20:39Chris Williamson?

  There aren't any others, are there?

• 1:20:40Tim Briggs?

  There's no one else.

• 1:20:41Chris Williamson?

  It's warrior programming.

• 1:20:42Tim Briggs?

  Or CrossFit.com.

• 1:20:43Speaker 00

  Or CrossFit.com.

• 1:20:44Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:44Tim Briggs?

  They're the only ones.

• 1:20:45Chris Williamson?

  There's only two programs.

• 1:20:46Tim Briggs?

  Or um.

• 1:20:47Chris Williamson?

  Two traditions, really?

• 1:20:48Tim Briggs?

  In terms of, same in terms of the nutrition, like um I've, I've tried to put myself out there to certain people over time and obviously they didn't have the belief in me.

• 1:20:57Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:58Tim Briggs?

  With certain people.

• 1:21:01Tim Briggs?

  It was Canada's back on.

• 1:21:04Speaker 03

  I don't know what you mean.

• 1:21:05Tim Briggs?

  Yeah, people need to find a belief where they can trust whoever they're working with.

• 1:21:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:10Tim Briggs?

  And not yield results.

• 1:21:11Speaker 00

  I think that's a big thing, because like, I do think that's a massive thing. Like, if you trust, uh, trust the process, god, that's another hashtag. You know, if you trust the process and you believe that what your coach, your nutrition coach or whatever is trying to get you to do, um, it takes all the pressure off you training, because all you have to do is turn up.

• 1:21:29Speaker 03

  I mean, at the end of the day, your coach, like, when we programme for someone, we want them to win.

• 1:21:32Tim Briggs?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:33Chris Williamson?

  You're not doing it, you're not doing it.

• 1:21:34Speaker 03

  We want them, we want, we want them to win probably slightly more than they want to, and we probably believe in them slightly more than they believe in themselves.

• 1:21:40Chris Williamson?

  And you're doing it in perspective.

• 1:21:42Speaker 03

  Do you know what I mean? And, and there'd be very few people in their lives who really want them to win without any of the compromises. Like, you know, your parents want you to win, but they also want you to go and have Sunday dinner with them and maybe have the dessert afterwards, or you go home and your mum's made a sandwich lasagna. And you're like, ah, my mum's trying to get shreds, sorry, sorry, son.

• 1:21:59Chris Williamson?

  My mum's going to love that.

• 1:22:00Tim Briggs?

  Skip them instead.

• 1:22:01Speaker 03

  But you know what I mean? Your parents aren't trying to fuck your shit up, but at the same time.

• 1:22:04Tim Briggs?

  Too poor.

• 1:22:05Speaker 00

  Too poor.

• 1:22:06Chris Williamson?

  I would love to get you on that.

• 1:22:07Speaker 03

  But, but they, but they, um, I'll be on, um.

• 1:22:12Speaker 03

  You get me on?

• 1:22:13Tim Briggs?

  Let's sign the contract.

• 1:22:14Chris Williamson?

  I'll eat your fucking cheese.

• 1:22:19Speaker 03

  There'll be very few people who want you to win as much as we would, do you know what I mean? But then it's like, oh, well, I don't know if I believe in you. Like, we fucking believe in you more. And we believe in us. But I don't, I get that for some people, it's like, it's an ideology, isn't it? If you, if you resonate with someone or something, it's easier to get on board with.

• 1:22:34Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:35Speaker 03

  If you're not, if you're not as sure where.

• 1:22:36Chris Williamson?

  I think, I think that getting that buy-in, and I think this is definitely something that, over the years, with, specifically with physio work that I've had done.

• 1:22:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:22:45Chris Williamson?

  But also with other bits and pieces, especially rehab routines, anything where you can't immediately see the benefit, I think, requires buy-in. And I use, I've used this example before, I've used this example before. So, um, I've done, I've started journaling this year. Um, people listening will know what I'm talking about, which is a six-minute diary, which you can get on Amazon and shit like that. The first sixty pages of this diary, you don't write in it, it's, the, this is the just. Scientifically for why you are going to do each of these things. This is why it's on a morning. This is why you use a pen and paper. This is why this question gets asked. This is why this question gets asked. These are the studies that show what effect it will elicit to you.

• 1:23:24Chris Williamson?

  The first sixty pages of reading, which is a high barrier to entry for people to actually get to the meat and veg of the product. But once I've completed that sixty pages, I was like, father, I can sing the praises of this now. Like, I am bought in.

• 1:23:39Tim Briggs?

  Yeah, and you'll buy all the people.

• 1:23:41Chris Williamson?

  I'm like, well, absolutely. You're like, look, this is, I've had the dream sold to you. And I think that this is a lot of the time, you guys do it, definitely, I think, and the propane boys do it too. You underplay to a degree because you're humble guys. You underplay your level of expertise because you take it for granted to a degree. And then when you actually sometimes deploy, so I read a page of the, um, we dominate nutrition. Uh, the most recent PDF that you have sent out.

• 1:24:12Tim Briggs?

  Was it the open guide though?

• 1:24:13Chris Williamson?

  Maybe, I'm not sure. It was one about, um, whether you're eating carbs before cardio and carbs before weight training. And it's a page on that. And I was like, just reading through about what phosphocreatine's energy system gets activated through ATP glucose transfer, da, da, da. And I'm like, Tim's, Tim's like a fucking wizard. Like Tim is a legitimate wizard. Like what the fuck, what, what's all, what is this?

• 1:24:39Tim Briggs?

  Thirty degrees, bro.

• 1:24:40Chris Williamson?

  And it's got like their degrees.

• 1:24:42Tim Briggs?

  People don't need to know it. They just need to know, I'm gonna have a carbohydrate.

• 1:24:45Chris Williamson?

  I understand, but I think.

• 1:24:47Tim Briggs?

  It's all about disseminating knowledge and that's where the application really provides. And like, that's what we do really well. We, like, instead of putting ATP bias programming, we put fuck yourself up.

• 1:25:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think you're, I think the point that you're trying to make is important, though. It's important for people to know that you know that, for them to then buy in.

• 1:25:07Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, I've said, I've said to, to both yourself and Yusuf's a good example from Propane Fitness. He in six months' time will be a doctor, proper, proper doctor.

• 1:25:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:25:16Chris Williamson?

  And every so often during a live stream or something similar, or the same during one of your PDFs, you'll read something that kind of like lets you peer behind the curtain a bit and you go. Jesus fucking Christ. Like, I'm aware that I just got to see like the gossamer thin veneer

• 1:25:34Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:25:35Chris Williamson?

  The disseminated information, the top level shit I need to know. But there's all, there's a fucking bastard that lives below it. And it's just, you go, wow. And that to me, I personally, I think that, yeah, you don't want to be swinging your dick around showing off.

• 1:25:55Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:25:55Chris Williamson?

  Because you somehow feel that that makes you like, uh, uh, you, you're able to publicly masturbate through a PDF essentially about how good you are. But I certainly think from my side as a potential client, as a good example for that, I read the first sixty pages of Six Minute Diary and I've just completed it today, final day, and I've bought another one because I want to go again, because I believe in the process. And I think part of that is the justification for where the end result has come from.

• 1:26:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:26:25Chris Williamson?

  And I think that a lot of them, a lot of coaches that I know, a lot of people, physios as well, like, make people believe in the process, like, tell them the understanding. Some people just want to know.

• 1:26:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:26:37Chris Williamson?

  But then other people.

• 1:26:38Speaker 00

  Need to understand it.

• 1:26:39Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. And you said, you know, some of the clients, you'd said earlier on, Paul, about some of the clients need that, like, that extra level of care or attention or rigor or whatever you want to say. But some people respond really well to that.

• 1:26:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:26:52Chris Williamson?

  And, um.

• 1:26:52Speaker 00

  But sometimes they also just need to just fucking go.

• 1:26:54Chris Williamson?

  They just need to do it. And I think, but I, I, you know, I, I definitely think from your guys' side, like, having seen what it is that you put out and how well developed it is, I definitely think that that's one of the things that, um, probably even some of your athletes need to appreciate a little bit more, like just how much work goes into that sort of stuff. Um, so anyway, thank you very much, guys. We will be back with Tim and potentially someone or potentially just some cupcakes.

• 1:27:19Speaker 00

  Might bring the dog.

• 1:27:21Chris Williamson?

  Bring the dog. Oh my god, could you imagine how loud it would be?

• 1:27:23Speaker 00

  Oh, it'd be carnage, mate.

• 1:27:24Chris Williamson?

  It would.

• 1:27:25Speaker 00

  Probably shit on the car.

• 1:27:27Chris Williamson?

  That would be Jordan, he did earlier on.

• 1:27:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, I've got through the whole podcast, so I'm good, mate. He's very good. I love that bug for a while.

• 1:27:33Chris Williamson?

  When you've had five amodians, like.

• 1:27:36Speaker 00

  Mate, I've done four in two days. Like, it's quite a lot for me, that. He's been offsetting the amodians with caffeine. Thing is, I haven't eaten anything, so there's nothing to come out. Alex Miller. Yeah. Alex Miller took, took an amodium every day for like three years to do my poo at work.

• 1:27:50Chris Williamson?

  Coming back out of poo.

• 1:27:53Speaker 03

  Didn't have poo work for years. Didn't want to have poo anyway, except his whole mother gym.

• 1:27:56Chris Williamson?

  Why?

• 1:27:57Speaker 03

  Because he didn't like it, because he's weird. And then he did Kilimanjaro and realised he had to shit up a mountain and wipe it with his hands and after that he got over it.

• 1:28:04Chris Williamson?

  Wow.

• 1:28:05Speaker 03

  On that bombshell. Sorry to ruin your ending there.

• 1:28:08Chris Williamson?

  We know Nick Nutrition, Built Up North, Warrior Programming, Reba CrossFit Tonside, everything will be in the show notes. Thank you very much, we'll see you soon.

• 1:28:13Speaker 03

  Bye.