Banned On Instagram, Britney Spears & Alex Jones - Danny Polishchuk

Danny Polishchuk is a writer, YouTuber, comedian and a podcaster. I was on tour in NYC so stopped in to see one half of The Boyscast and work out why hundreds of thousands of people were drunk and dressed as Santa. Expect to learn why Instagram banned Danny from their platform, what's happening with Britney Spears & Taylor Swift lately, whether Danny thinks getting a vasectomy to save the climate is a good idea, if we have gone too far with being too protective from germs and pathogens, what the future of comedy looks like and much more... - 00:00 Explaining Santa-Con 01:30 Why Danny Got Deleted From Instagram 08:24 Travelling Life of a Comedian 11:56 The Britney Spears Saga 14:49 Never Make Fun of Taylor Swift 20:37 Getting a Vasectomy for the Climate 28:04 Residual Trauma from Covid 31:14 Cultural Differences in Asia 34:30 The Most Popular Drug in Mexico 40:46 Kim Jong Un Crying at Birth Rates 50:58 PornHub Trying to Turn Kids Trans 58:01 Rising Trend of Antisemitism 1:00:02 Alex Jones’ Naked Biden Revelations 1:06:25 Danny’s Opinion of Matt Rife 1:13:35 The Future of Comedy 1:16:56 Comedy Central’s Decline 1:27:31 Where to Find Danny - Get access to every episode 10 hours before YouTube by subscribing for free on Spotify - https://spoti.fi/2LSimPn or Apple Podcasts - https://apple.co/2MNqIgw Get my free Reading List of 100 life-changing books here - https://chriswillx.com/books/ Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic here - https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom - Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact/

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Chris Williamson?

  Danny Potts, Chuck.

• 0:00Speaker 01

  Hey, how you doing, buddy?

• 0:02Chris Williamson?

  I'm good, man. How are you?

• 0:03Speaker 01

  I'm excellent.

• 0:03Chris Williamson?

  It's SantaCon at the moment.

• 0:05Speaker 01

  Mental.

• 0:06Chris Williamson?

  What is that?

• 0:07Speaker 01

  Uh, it's, this is actually the first year I've ever been here for it. Every other year I've somehow managed to avoid it, but basically the worst people you know, dress up like Santa Claus and they get hammered. Like, it's, what time is it right now? It's like three o'clock?

• 0:23Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 0:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, so they get hammered in the afternoon. Like, did you see the lines?

• 0:27Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 0:27Speaker 01

  For the bars? Like, bars right now are at, it's like, uh, St. Patty's Day. Kind of lines right now.

• 0:32Chris Williamson?

  So it's what, this, like, two Saturdays before Christmas or something?

• 0:36Speaker 01

  I guess, yeah. And, uh, but it's, yeah, yeah, I guess. And, uh, it's like, like, there's lines literally bending around the corner for just pubs.

• 0:44Chris Williamson?

  And everyone's dressed up.

• 0:45Speaker 01

  Everybody's dressed up. Everybody's getting, like, really drunk in the afternoon. Comedy on Santa, SantaCon Day is, like, generally really bad.

• 0:54Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 0:54Speaker 01

  It's really bad because everybody shows up wasted and, uh, fights, like.

• 0:58Chris Williamson?

  What's the demographic of people that attend SantaCon?

• 1:01Speaker 01

  That's a good question. Uh, you know what? It's pretty diverse. Like, I was looking around. Yeah, it's like, you're looking, you're like, it's a bit of everybody. It's pretty wild. But, uh, yeah, so, cause it took me, like, just, uh, a lot longer to get over here from my house. And I was wondering, I'm like, what is going on? And then I start kinda, you know, I was listening to, like, my, my audiobook and I'm looking around and I see all the Santa Claus hats. I go, and then when I got out.

• 1:23Chris Williamson?

  Doesn't seem right.

• 1:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, but then when I got out, I go, oh, okay.

• 1:26Chris Williamson?

  It's happening.

• 1:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:27Chris Williamson?

  Have you got your IG back yet?

• 1:28Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:29Chris Williamson?

  What's happened? Tell us the, what's the story?

• 1:31Speaker 01

  Essentially, what happened is, uh, there's, uh, like, I know some people who are kinda high up fairly in the world of technology. A lot of people have a lot of opinions, but essentially on October, we actually figured it out last night. It might be as a result of you, actually.

• 1:45Chris Williamson?

  Fantastic.

• 1:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. We, we think that, that's like my new, uh, current theory. So, on, on October 8th, I've had an Instagram account for 12 years. Never had a post taken down.

• 1:55Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:55Speaker 01

  Nothing, no issues at all. And then on October 8th, I got, uh, logged into Instagram and it says, "Your account's permanently suspended for, uh, sexual solicitation", which is essentially what they get for, like, OnlyFans girls, right? I'm like, what the hell? This must be a mistake. I'm like, you know, oh, this must be a mistake. Right? So I appeal it and in Instagram, there's just like a blue button that just says, would you like to appeal? And I pressed the button and then one minute later, they say, we've denied your appeal. And then, uh, there's, but they say, if this is a mistake, uh, you can write a little like kind of blurb to them. So I write a thing, I get it back and I'd been posting some content, remember like basically the thing that you showed Douglas Murray, right?

• 2:34Chris Williamson?

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 2:35Speaker 01

  About the

• 2:36Chris Williamson?

  Gays for Gaza.

• 2:37Speaker 01

  Gays for Gaza stuff, right? And I was making fun of those people. And, uh, and you'd have to think that a lot of people who probably work in content moderation at Meta probably side more with those people than me.

• 2:47Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 2:47Speaker 01

  Than the person making fun of those people, right? So anyways, I get it back. Two days later, exact same thing happens. I get suspended again, same thing. And I'm going pretty hard on like, you know, posting about the Israel Palestine conflict. Again, same thing happens and then, um, get it back again though. And then on November 8th, which would be one month ago, exact same thing happens. This time though, I press that blue appeal button, lose one minute later and there's no option for me to

• 3:17Chris Williamson?

  Three strikes and you're out.

• 3:18Speaker 01

  I guess, right? And so, and then we were talking last night, uh, and because we were, he brought up the thing and then I went and you posted that thing on November 6th. That went super viral. Now I don't know if it's related because I was obviously having issues before that, but I have like a target on my back.

• 3:33Chris Williamson?

  Douglas Murray fucking splash, splash zone, dirty.

• 3:36Speaker 01

  I guess, but, but at Meta, like they put a target on me. And so I have one friend who thinks either it's some content moderator there who just like, doesn't like me. Saw that I had a bunch of stuff like going viral. And they're just like, we gotta get rid of this guy. Someone, my one friend thinks that maybe someone actually literally paid money. Because there's this whole black market, like underground economy with, um, like Instagram and because I, I think it's related to the OnlyFans stuff. Because OnlyFans girls, they promote OnlyFans on Instagram, make tons of money. Then they get kicked off, but then they're happy to pay $2,000. It was what I have to pay to get to maybe get my thing. Yeah. It's just like a tax for, and they're happy to pay.

• 4:16Chris Williamson?

  Wasn't there like rumors that these girls were offering to suck off?

• 4:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, there was. Well, that, that apparently kind of put a wrench in things. This is the one girl who went on No Jumper and she's like, I've been kicked off like 10 times and I just keep going.

• 4:29Chris Williamson?

  Sucking dick.

• 4:30Speaker 01

  Yeah. Like fucking some guy at Instagram and keep getting it back. And so.

• 4:34Chris Williamson?

  Have you considered that?

• 4:35Speaker 01

  Ah, that'll be up next. Yeah, that's my, that'll be my, my hail Mary, because I'll tell you what.

• 4:40Chris Williamson?

  Break glass in case.

• 4:41Speaker 01

  Very difficult to be a working comedian without Instagram. I mean, it's, that's where everybody kind of consumes, you know, you, it's funny because it used to be probably 10 years ago, maybe Twitter and then, but now Instagram, TikTok, those are the kind of places.

• 4:56Chris Williamson?

  I didn't see any comedians doing shit on Twitter.

• 4:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I mean, it's just not that kind of, I post, like, I posted my whole special, my most recent special, it's on Twitter.

• 5:04Chris Williamson?

  Oh, right.

• 5:05Speaker 01

  And, you know, whatever, I have like a decent amount of views on it, but it just, that's not the place that drives people to maybe go see you live or consume your comedy content. It's a different type of person on Twitter. It's just a different, like, I was actually on the train over here and I saw, I've been noticing it more because I take the train in New York. I'll look at like what people are doing on their phones. And very recently, I've noticed more people are on Twitter than ever before. I never used to see people on Twitter.

• 5:31Chris Williamson?

  Interesting.

• 5:31Speaker 01

  They'd be on Instagram, TikTok, Snapchat, or whatever. And now I do actually see people on Twitter. But anyway, so I'm currently in the process of paying some guy and then hopefully I get it back.

• 5:41Chris Williamson?

  Hey, if you know how to fix Instagram accounts, get into it.

• 5:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, the crazy thing is I've had a number of people say like, I have a hook, like my friend works at Meta. Or whatever. And, and then they're like, yeah, they, they tried through their internal recovery system and they're like, upholding your ban. They're like, you really pissed somebody off.

• 6:01Chris Williamson?

  Dude, I have a friend who was trying to get his O1 visa to come over to America. He already had his visa. I was trying to flip it again, again, in like, whatever the conservative leaning fucking world. And someone somewhere did a thing, like pressed a button that just delayed his entire visa by nine months. Like you can like put a question in.

• 6:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, you could just, yeah, like a request for, that's the same visa I have. You say like a request for more information or something.

• 6:27Chris Williamson?

  Just like, hey, get fucked. You don't get to come back in the country.

• 6:29Speaker 01

  Yep, yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 6:31Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, it's weird because I'm so, I'm so non-conspiratorial with like most of the shit that I think about, but then even at a low level, like bullshit like that.

• 6:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:38Chris Williamson?

  Like, that's just some guy, like that's got a vendetta or he's unhappy.

• 6:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's just someone saw something trending that was, uh, you know, because I had like, when I got kicked off, that's the thing. You only get kicked off once you're kind of popping off, right? And then, and then there's more.

• 6:53Chris Williamson?

  Nobody cares about the person.

• 6:53Speaker 01

  Nobody cares about the person. Exactly. Right? So, but, but so anyways, I had a few things and yeah, someone just sees something, go, I don't like this guy. I work at Meta. And go fuck yourself. Yeah, I'm just and I guess I'm not quite at that. You know, if you were massive, a million followers.

• 7:08Chris Williamson?

  Yep.

• 7:09Speaker 01

  Probably a little more difficult.

• 7:10Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, there's a zone in the middle, big enough to be noticed, not so big that you can't reach people to like get it back.

• 7:15Speaker 01

  Right. And so, and I mean, a lot of people hear about it that I know and they're like, because here's the craziest thing about the algorithm, which people do not realize, is the algorithm decides what you see, right? Obviously, because it's not like a chronological. But because it decides what you see, people are so programmed that like, so when I got deleted, people don't know my account's deleted. I'm just, they just forget you exist, right? They don't know you're gone. Like literal family and stuff like my, my girl, my fiance's cousin was like, why hasn't Danny posted anything in a month? Like she messaged her, she goes, why hasn't Danny been posting anything? And she's like, oh, he got kicked off.

• 7:53Chris Williamson?

  It's the same as someone dying. It's like the digital equivalent of being excommunicated.

• 7:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like excommunicated, but like people don't even, unless they're like the diehard, diehard fans.

• 8:02Chris Williamson?

  They're looking for your account.

• 8:03Speaker 01

  They're like looking and then they look, but otherwise, I mean, and not even that. So some people were, I was getting DMs being like, is this actually you? They don't even believe it.

• 8:13Chris Williamson?

  Jeez.

• 8:13Speaker 01

  Like they're like, they don't even, you know, and even in my bio, it says like, yes, deleted, this is me, blah, blah. And then, but you're not verified anymore. And so it's, it's mental.

• 8:21Chris Williamson?

  Wow. Yeah, that's crazy.

• 8:22Speaker 01

  We'll see.

• 8:22Chris Williamson?

  I had, uh, I had Whitney Cummings on the show about a month ago and I was super impressed with her. Like I didn't.

• 8:27Speaker 01

  She's great.

• 8:28Chris Williamson?

  She's very, very impressive. She said to me before I went on tour, in order for art to imitate life, you have to live a life.

• 8:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:36Chris Williamson?

  And it was her explanation for why comedians just talk about airports, dinner and comedy.

• 8:42Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 8:42Chris Williamson?

  Because if you're on the road, that's all you know. And this was a month ago. And since then, all I've done is be on the road. For one full month, all I've done is be on the road. And I've found myself having conversations with my friends about all that I've got to talk about is like airports and check in.

• 8:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:56Chris Williamson?

  Luggage and shows and what I had for dinner last night. And that's it.

• 9:00Speaker 01

  I mean, when that's your life, that's your life, right?

• 9:02Chris Williamson?

  It's so strange.

• 9:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. That's, I, I know, like, sometimes you will have a joke, something happens at the airport and you're like.

• 9:09Chris Williamson?

  The most comedian comedy ever.

• 9:11Speaker 01

  Right. And you're like, but this is still is funny. Yeah, it is that kind of thing. We're like, yeah, you have. And that's why I do try and make a point of doing stuff, you know,

• 9:20Chris Williamson?

  Need to have a lot.

• 9:21Speaker 01

  Traveling and having a life and like traveling, not for comedy, you know, because a lot of comics were like, yeah, I'll go somewhere if I'm doing a show, but.

• 9:28Chris Williamson?

  Did you do Asia recently?

• 9:30Speaker 01

  Uh, recently? No, I've been, I've been to Southeast Asia, though. I spent, I spent like 15 years ago. Spent a lot of time there.

• 9:36Chris Williamson?

  Okay, see. But yeah, I've been, I've been thinking about that. I can kind of see, I know that it's, everyone hates it. It's like comedians just talking about comedy and oh, you know, the, the crowd and the venue and all the rest of this stuff. But if that's like the fucking front and center of your life.

• 9:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:50Chris Williamson?

  What else is there?

• 9:51Speaker 01

  I will say the one thing about Twitter, which there's like this compulsion, which I'm sure you've had, and I try to avoid it at all costs, is to publicly blast some company like that's wronged you because you're like, I don't even know if there's any real reason to have Twitter other than the pot like.

• 10:07Chris Williamson?

  To be able to call out.

• 10:07Speaker 01

  To call out. Yeah. You know, be like, oh, and sometimes they're like, oh, they really, and you're like, I could.

• 10:13Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 10:14Speaker 01

  Really just make us stink right now and feel, it's like you got a dopamine rush.

• 10:19Chris Williamson?

  Righteous. Yeah. As you do it. It's, I don't know. There's definitely an upper bound on how many times you can get away with doing that. There used to be an account called at DJs complaining.

• 10:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:29Chris Williamson?

  Which was just all of like, Tiesto, like arguing with his bags not being allowed to be in Carry On and stuff like that.

• 10:36Speaker 01

  And the problem is sometimes it does work. So then you're kind of.

• 10:40Chris Williamson?

  Positively reinforced.

• 10:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:41Chris Williamson?

  Do a game.

• 10:41Speaker 01

  Yeah. Keep, you know, keep going.

• 10:43Chris Williamson?

  It's the, it's the internet equivalent of, do you know who I am?

• 10:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 10:46Chris Williamson?

  It's the Twitter equivalent of.

• 10:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I mean, if you're a big enough account, some, some airlines, like, oh, we don't need this. Bad publicity.

• 10:52Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. But really, what's going to happen? They're going to, the guy that looks after the social media is going to find the flight that you're on and like tweet the air hostess to say, hey, make sure that he's allowed to have his nuts or you should give him a second.

• 11:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

• 11:05Chris Williamson?

  The outcome is nothing.

• 11:06Speaker 01

  Yes. And normally they're like weather delays, you know, where it's actual frustration, where like they can't do something like, you know, it's.

• 11:12Chris Williamson?

  Shaking your hand to the fucking moon.

• 11:14Speaker 01

  I'm not trying to defend airlines, but sometimes these, you know, it is like a pointless thing. Obviously, sometimes they do lose your luggage and stuff.

• 11:22Chris Williamson?

  It is kind of the equivalent of like an internet Karen in a way to just be like,

• 11:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:26Chris Williamson?

  I am fucking. Well, logistics.

• 11:28Speaker 01

  I guess the ideal scenario is you tweet a thing and then their stock price drops 10%, you know, and you're like, I just cost them $4 billion.

• 11:35Chris Williamson?

  Who was it? Was it Cristiano Ronaldo that moved a Coke can, I think, away from in front of him? Was it Cristiano Ronaldo?

• 11:41Speaker 01

  Oh, and like replace it with like a Gatorade or something?

• 11:43Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, like there was a Coke can in front of it. I'm sure it was Cristiano Ronaldo, maybe a couple of years ago. And he like just got the can and moved it out of shot and their stock price plummeted. Dude, yeah, Cristiano Ronaldo, fucking knew it. I knew it. Have you been watching the Britney Spears arc recently?

• 11:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I was, I was day one being like, they should not be removing this conservatorship from, from the jump. So this is very much chickens coming home to roost. I mean, she obviously, have you ever heard the, the saying with child stars? Where like the point that you become super famous is the point where you stop developing? Like as a person.

• 12:21Chris Williamson?

  Arrested development.

• 12:22Speaker 01

  Essentially. So it's like, that's why Michael Jackson was like a 13 year old.

• 12:25Chris Williamson?

  Interesting.

• 12:26Speaker 01

  So she's like a six year old. She was like super, you know, Disney club, whatever, Mickey Mouse club. And like, maybe whatever she got really famous, but she's like a child. And then, uh, and it kind of tracks, not for everyone, obviously, but it kind of does track. But yeah, like you see, I don't know if she's on medication or anything, but you can just see it in the eyes.

• 12:44Chris Williamson?

  She either is or should be.

• 12:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you can see it in the eyes. Like there's, there's not a lot of activity in the eyes.

• 12:50Chris Williamson?

  So it's, it makes me feel uncomfortable. Like I don't follow her, but you know, you just stuff surfaces.

• 12:57Speaker 01

  My fiance constantly, my fiance loves her and constantly because.

• 13:00Chris Williamson?

  Loves her or is like watching it like a slow motion car crash?

• 13:03Speaker 01

  Honestly, chicks like, uh, they know not like a slow motion car crash. Like.

• 13:09Chris Williamson?

  If you're like, most girls are pretty empathetic and emotionally tuned in and can see what's going on. How do you not look at Britney and go, this person needs some fucking help? And also needs to stop posting selfies of her dancing in her hallway.

• 13:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And she looks mental. I mean, the one with the knives that ended up being like the meme and stuff.

• 13:26Chris Williamson?

  Britney Spears puts aside family drama to post a racy Instagram video of her running her hands over her body while promoting Victoria's Secret bras and underwear.

• 13:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:36Chris Williamson?

  It's like, I've watched this video and it's like her in bed.

• 13:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, my, my girl sent that to me.

• 13:42Chris Williamson?

  What the fuck is going on?

• 13:44Speaker 01

  But when they say promoting, like Victoria's Secret's like, you don't want to have anything. Yeah, we're like, we don't have anything to do with this.

• 13:49Chris Williamson?

  I'm just wearing it.

• 13:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, just wearing it.

• 13:52Chris Williamson?

  We're wearing like Calvin Klein's. It's like Calvin Klein podcast.

• 13:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. Uh, I mean, she seems like she's got something mentally going on. I don't know. Like, does she tour anymore? Does she have like a residency?

• 14:03Chris Williamson?

  I don't know. I don't think that she's done a show in

• 14:06Speaker 01

  In a while.

• 14:06Chris Williamson?

  A very long time.

• 14:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:07Chris Williamson?

  But here's the other thing. All of her videos are filmed on what looks like a 2011 BlackBerry.

• 14:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:12Chris Williamson?

  Which doesn't give like sane.

• 14:15Speaker 01

  No.

• 14:16Chris Williamson?

  Like the Android.

• 14:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. Come on.

• 14:20Chris Williamson?

  I don't know, man.

• 14:20Speaker 01

  I, I, yeah, I don't know. I don't know what needs to happen with her so that people are concerned, but you know, it's, it sounds like she had this conservatorship for a reason.

• 14:29Chris Williamson?

  A reason.

• 14:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, there was a real reason for it. And, uh, but you know, when the tides turn in public perception.

• 14:36Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, that's true. People want to kind of get behind the person who has an overbearing parent and

• 14:42Speaker 01

  Father specifically. It's like man versus woman in this as well.

• 14:45Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, it takes all of the boxes.

• 14:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:48Chris Williamson?

  Did you see, do you know, uh, Meat Canyon? Do you know that guy? He does those, uh, illustration videos.

• 14:52Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 14:53Chris Williamson?

  He's really great.

• 14:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 14:55Chris Williamson?

  So he's got a second channel called Papa Meat. She's pretty good. And he did a reacting to Swifties.

• 15:02Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 15:02Chris Williamson?

  Thing.

• 15:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:03Chris Williamson?

  He ended up getting tons of death threats.

• 15:05Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah. They're crazy.

• 15:07Chris Williamson?

  So, I mean, Britney Spears, I maybe has some fans and that conservatorship thing was like, people were chasing after that. The, at least the advantage you have if you do criticize Britney Spears is her fans aren't rabid and totally current. Like everyone's kind of just like historical fans.

• 15:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:24Chris Williamson?

  Taylor Swift has very motivated, unbelievably motivated fans. So yeah, he had full on death threats from what.

• 15:30Speaker 01

  Well, cause, cause, uh, Britney Spears doesn't have 13 year old fans.

• 15:34Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 15:34Speaker 01

  Right. And those are like the 13 year old girls, maybe the meanest, meanest iteration of a human that can possibly exist.

• 15:41Chris Williamson?

  On the other side of it. It's like Hamas and then 13 year old girl.

• 15:45Speaker 01

  Like if you could like get, uh, you know, if Taylor Swift became, uh, like Muslim or something like, like Islamic Jihad, the, the West would fall. We'd be done.

• 15:55Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, I saw a video. This was before her most recent tour kicked off and someone had taken one from inside of a stadium. You know, you're in the gangway and you're kind of walking around the side, maybe like kind of high up and you could hear the music and see the crowd and she's videoing the crowd like inside the stadium and they're all singing along and stuff. And then she pans to outside where there's a car park and there's 40,000 people in the car park.

• 16:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:21Chris Williamson?

  Singing along with the show that they couldn't get tickets to get into.

• 16:23Speaker 01

  Oh, for sure. I mean, my friend, he has a six year old daughter and his daughter was like, I want to go in Toronto to see Taylor Swift. And he went and looked and tickets were like, two tickets were $5,000 to get in, just to get in. We're not talking like, like, I mean, the Roger Center, well, it's all resale because it's like all scalpers buy them. So it's the only way to get them really, other than like this lottery. But everybody was complaining. I mean, it made it to the Congress.

• 16:47Chris Williamson?

  To being like in sub Saharan Africa and wanting an American visa.

• 16:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, pretty much. But it made it to like Congress was even talking about it because the scalpers were getting them all. And then the markup was so insane. Like it was, um, we actually had a guy who on our Boyscast Patreon called in or like not called, sent in a message. He wanted advice and he's like, I want to go, I have tickets for Taylor Swift in Denver and I want to take this girl on a first date. And then we looked up the resale price. He's like, should I take this girl on a first date to Taylor Swift? And we looked up the resale price and they were like $2,000 a ticket. I'm like, you can't take a girl on a first date that costs five grand, like after or whatever, four grand and then everything else. I'm like, no, you just can't do that. I'm like, so yeah, too much, too much.

• 17:32Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. So these, these scalpers are like the Martin Shkreli of Taylor Swift.

• 17:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 17:38Chris Williamson?

  They bought like fucking Dexter Pro or whatever it is and then pumped the price up.

• 17:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, they just, I mean, they're opportunists and they, uh, but they have all these crazy like programs and stuff that are able to.

• 17:50Chris Williamson?

  Ed Sheeran had a thing. I'm pretty sure you had to submit ID for each individual ticket to kind of get around it.

• 17:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's some that do that where you have to just like, I can't remember who, but you have to like show ID.

• 18:00Chris Williamson?

  She's going to make a billion dollars from this tour. I think it's like the most, already the highest grossing tour in history.

• 18:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's, uh, I mean, good for her, I guess.

• 18:08Chris Williamson?

  Fucking wild.

• 18:08Speaker 01

  I don't, I don't listen to it, but I'm in, I'm not that type of person to, you know.

• 18:13Chris Williamson?

  Dude, there was a, people should go watch that Papa Meat video. Once they're finished with this, it's pretty fucking interesting. She did a movie. It was like a Taylor Swift movie.

• 18:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, it was just a concert.

• 18:24Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, I think so. Maybe and it was like maybe behind the scenes tour vlog or some other stuff. And they must have given out like LED batons. So it's kind of half like a party.

• 18:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:34Chris Williamson?

  In the cinema.

• 18:35Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 18:35Chris Williamson?

  Whilst it's also.

• 18:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 18:37Chris Williamson?

  The thing on the TV and there's videos from inside and the credits are rolling. And the girls have got out of their seats and they're stood underneath the fucking projector like dancing in a circle.

• 18:50Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 18:51Chris Williamson?

  Holding hands. It's like halfway between a rave, a seance, a fucking sermon.

• 18:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My friend Alex Byron, he's a comedian in Canada. He did a video where it was out at one of these movie showings or whatever. And for Taylor Swift and then he kind of like picked his spot where it was just before it was starting and everybody, they were waiting for it to start. And then he came in and pretended that he was work, he worked for the theater and he goes, sorry, everybody. Um, but we're having an issue with the, with the projector. So there's going to be, uh, we're not going to be showing the Taylor Swift, but it said, we'll be showing, uh, the John Mayer documentary or whatever. And everybody, and then his girlfriend, just to get it started, his girlfriend started to throw it because she was filming, she started throwing stuff at him. And then like people were like boo and going insane.

• 19:40Speaker 01

  Pretty funny, really.

• 19:42Chris Williamson?

  We went to, were you with us when, um, we went to, uh, Cheesecake Factory and it was the night of the Barbie movie? Jesus Christ. I didn't know that the Barbie movie was getting released that night.

• 19:52Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 19:53Chris Williamson?

  And we went to Grosvenor Center, what's it called? The Grove, the Grove.

• 19:58Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 19:59Chris Williamson?

  Dude, so we get out of the car and it's just armies of women in pink.

• 20:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:04Chris Williamson?

  Like.

• 20:05Speaker 01

  New Yorkers like that too.

• 20:05Chris Williamson?

  Fucking platoons of them.

• 20:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. Did you see it?

• 20:09Chris Williamson?

  I didn't see it. No, I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it.

• 20:11Speaker 01

  No, I don't see movies like I used to.

• 20:12Chris Williamson?

  Uh.

• 20:14Speaker 01

  Bums me out.

• 20:14Chris Williamson?

  They recently did, uh, Killian Murphy and Margot Robbie did a like thing together, like an interview. I think it was a Vanity Fair or Variety or something like that where they, they like finally got those two, like the Barbenheimer.

• 20:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, together.

• 20:27Chris Williamson?

  Thing to have a conversation about each other. Uh, I got a vasectomy due to climate grief now.

• 20:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. The CBC, right? We just talked about this on the voice cast.

• 20:37Chris Williamson?

  What do you think?

• 20:38Speaker 01

  I, I mean, the natural logical conclusion is if you are so worried about human impact on climate, you kill yourself.

• 20:49Speaker 01

  Right? If you really care. Right? Like, isn't that like, okay? Well, you know, if you want to get a vasectomy, I can do you one further. Right? It's crazy. I mean, these people are mental. Their, their, their brains have been so destroyed with uh this like anxiety and fear about the future. Like, you know, civilization, humanity is not the type of thing you want to bet against. Like, they're all, it kind of always finds a way, you know? Like, everybody's like, oh, my God, we're doomed. Like, this doomerism, I, it's probably existed forever. There's never, and you know, and yet here we are. So I don't know. What, what do you think about it?

• 21:26Chris Williamson?

  For about a year and a half, I'd been offering to get a vasectomy to do more than just talk about how the world didn't need any more humans. In and around our old Nova Scotia house, I'd periodically make that horizontal civemime, a scizemime. To reiterate my offer, news of rising temperatures on the kitchen radio, finger snip. Atlantic Ocean looking more and more disturbed, finger snip. Even back then in 2007, the North Atlantic hurricane season was intensified by the climate change. Snip, snip.

• 21:52Chris Williamson?

  Daryl, my then partner called out from a few rows back in a crowded flight. We'd originally been seated together but relocated so a mum could sit with her kids. When I looked back over the packed seats amidst the roar of burning engines, she smiled at me and minded scissor cut with two fingers. Yes, she finally said in a gesture, gesture understandable only to me. My then partner called out. This sounds like a guy who did, and now is no longer with the person who.

• 22:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, also, an interesting thing here, because this is an ultimate in virtue signaling, obviously, to say like, I'm saving the planet by not reproducing. And then they insisted on including. No, but they insisted on the, it's interesting. They insist on including, which is unnecessary, that they were not, they were sitting separately because they had to give up their seats so a mother could sit with their child.

• 22:38Speaker 01

  Like, that's like a weird thing. Like, okay, you didn't have to say that, other than you just have to be

• 22:43Chris Williamson?

  The best.

• 22:43Speaker 01

  The best human possible, and everybody else who's reading this is just scum.

• 22:47Chris Williamson?

  That's part of why it was so thrilling when my now wife, Giselle, voluntarily mentioned not wanting kids on our first date. Three years later, we got married and moved in a kind of working honeymoon to sweaty, equatorial Singapore. Admittedly, our next four years of travel around Asia made us more a part of the climate crisis problem than the solution. Basically, I decided to carbon offset my destructive selfish lifestyle by not propagating my own DNA and instead traveled the world.

• 23:12Speaker 01

  This is like a borderline Onion article.

• 23:15Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 23:15Speaker 01

  From not that long ago. And it's been, this is a CBC. This is, this is Canadian broadcasting. This is government funded propaganda right here.

• 23:23Chris Williamson?

  Did you see, I came up with this idea of toxic compassion? Do you read my little?

• 23:27Speaker 01

  Uh, no, I haven't seen that.

• 23:28Chris Williamson?

  All right. So, uh, toxic compassion is the prioritization of short-term emotional comfort over everything else, over truth, reality, actual long-term outcomes, flourishing, everything. It optimizes for looking good rather than doing good. People would rather claim that body fat has no bearing on health and mortality outcomes to avoid making overweight individuals feel upset, even if this causes them to literally die sooner or have a worse quality of life. People would rather say that children growing up in single parent households suffer no worse outcomes than those from two parent homes, even if this misleads parents, children and teachers about why kids behave the way they do. Campaigners would sooner shout defund the police as a response to what they perceive as unfair treatment of criminals, even if there's results in more crimes being committed against people from those minority backgrounds due to the abandonment of police officers from those areas.

• 24:12Chris Williamson?

  So it's people that say what they think sounds good, but ultimately might net a negative outcome. Peterson said it's the prioritization of short-term emotional comfort over long-term thriving. It's going to hurt now, but the consequences long-term are positive.

• 24:27Speaker 01

  They just don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

• 24:29Chris Williamson?

  But you disregard what the actual long-term outcome is, the same as with this.

• 24:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:34Chris Williamson?

  Bloke.

• 24:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, of course, I'm actually just listening right now to, um, uh, Jonathan Haidt, The Coddling of the American Mind. And, and they talk about, like, he's, he's talking about, like, all the safetyism stuff, where essentially it has these actual, uh, like, negative outcomes, you know, because some kid got, like, abducted in, like, the seventies and then they, like, essentially... Um, we're, we're clamping down so hard on kids that it actually made them worse off, you know, because you just, you, you don't let them go outside and you, because like, you know, obviously it's tragic that a kid got abducted or whatever. There was actually, he talked about, I can't even believe this. I had to look it up yesterday. In 2015 in Missouri,

• 25:16Speaker 01

  this family, in order to teach their six-year-old a lesson about not going with strangers, abducted him and like renditioned him and from like a mall and they put like a bag on his head and then they

• 25:28Chris Williamson?

  It's like a mock execution.

• 25:29Speaker 01

  Like basically like the craziest lesson you could ever imagine. And then

• 25:34Chris Williamson?

  This trauma is going to teach you not to let it happen again.

• 25:36Speaker 01

  Don't go home with strangers or whatever. And like, I don't even think he did. I don't think there was an incident. They just abducted him to kind of teach him this lesson, uh, you know, kind of get ahead of it preemptively.

• 25:48Chris Williamson?

  Well, that's the fucking horseshoe of like helicopter parenting, that it comes back around to just super extreme mistreatment of your kid.

• 25:54Speaker 01

  Yeah. And in the guise of, you know, I'm helping them. You're like, this kid is gonna have this trauma forever.

• 26:00Chris Williamson?

  The one on the other, the one on the other side that's like, oh yeah, my kid will be fine. It's like, it's the same idea. My kid will be fine. My kid will be fine with me mock fucking abducting him from this thing.

• 26:08Speaker 01

  But there's no shortage of those kids who, who were like, yeah, my parents worked and you know, I had a lot of autonomy and I was fine.

• 26:14Chris Williamson?

  I seem to be okay.

• 26:15Speaker 01

  I was fine. Maybe I got a little bit of trouble, but.

• 26:17Chris Williamson?

  You see the stuff about peanut allergies, the increase in peanut allergies?

• 26:20Speaker 01

  That was, that was another one, and the John and I thing was because they, it like tripled the amount of peanut allergies because they removed peanuts.

• 26:27Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. So if you grow up in a household that has a washing machine, like a dishwasher, that doubles your chances of asthma. And if you grow up in a house that has a dog, it halves your chances of asthma. Cause you just get exposed to dirt. So basically you're double and then you double again, the chances of it.

• 26:47Speaker 01

  Why the dishwasher?

• 26:48Chris Williamson?

  Dishwasher presumably just cleans.

• 26:50Speaker 01

  It's just good environment.

• 26:51Chris Williamson?

  So it's such a sterile way that you don't get the tiny little doses of germs. And the same for dogs. Dogs coming in and out, bringing dirt in, like playing in the grass, et cetera. Um, so yeah, there's just ways where you can sterilize the environment so much that instead of it making kids and people safer, what it does is create such a protected environment that there is nowhere, that they never deal with any kind of discomfort. And this is culturally, ideologically. Psychologically, mentally, emotionally, the exact same thing we see with toxic compassion.

• 27:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I'm waiting for the shoe to drop on hand sanitizer being bad for you.

• 27:26Chris Williamson?

  You think?

• 27:28Speaker 01

  There's so many things we were, me and Ryan were just talking about it, how all the stuff that used to be bad for you is now good for you. Like, remember, I don't know, but like, my mom was very much, even still, she doesn't come around to, you know, it's like, you gotta eat breakfast. You have to eat breakfast. It's like, you'll die. You'll have, if you don't eat breakfast. Now, everybody's like, don't eat breakfast. Or it's like, you gotta eat. Now, everybody's like fasting. Like, you know, it's all the stuff. It's literally bro-science has beat down mom-science. And mom-science is just kind of reeling, but it just, I don't know, I won't be surprised if there'll be something similar with the hand sanitizer where they go, people are hand sanitizing too much and it's causing a rise and whatever.

• 28:02Chris Williamson?

  Downstream from that, yeah. Well, we, we've been doing these meet and greets after the show, which is really great. But you do realize that like, if, if anybody of these 600 people that have just shook hands and taken a photo and like hugged or like, you know, like slapped five with.

• 28:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:17Chris Williamson?

  If any of them, it's like, I've just got, I got it all. We did get COVID. All of us got COVID separately. James in Australia, Luke in the UK, me in Austin. We all got COVID about two months before the show, the tour began and we were like, tour antibodies, like, fuck yeah, like, we've done it. I'm gonna be immune.

• 28:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:31Chris Williamson?

  Immediately went on tour and just got wrecked by like, other, like, different viruses.

• 28:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, that's, that's kind of the nature of, of how it goes, but yeah, I don't know. It's unavoidable. Like, I was, I was just on the train over here. One thing I still find so difficult to understand is couples where one's masked and one's not. Because surely, the one that's unmasked will then give you whatever you're trying to avoid, right? Like, am I missing something? But I see it all the time. Like, a couple where one's masked.

• 29:07Speaker 01

  But, like, how?

• 29:09Chris Williamson?

  You're gonna get in the same bed tonight?

• 29:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, you're gonna kiss later, so. I I I don't know. I don't know. Maybe there's someone who's way smarter than me who can explain that to me. Cause I I see all the time. Like I saw it literally just on the train right over here.

• 29:22Chris Williamson?

  We were in Banff in Alberta.

• 29:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:26Chris Williamson?

  And um, yeah, there was people walking out and about in what looks like the cleanest air in the world.

• 29:32Speaker 01

  Oh, it's like the, yeah, you can like, yeah, it's the best.

• 29:35Chris Williamson?

  The purest air on the planet. And yeah, people still outdoor masking, which I don't know, I I did reflect on this a little bit, like, how I feel now about like someone in a car on their own or something, you know, when people wore masks in cars.

• 29:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 29:50Chris Williamson?

  Someone out and about in fresh air at this stage of post pandemic, like fucking non case risk. It does make me think people who were so vehement against any masking ever, like no one should ever have to do it. It's like, well, maybe just my judgment of the situation is that my sensitivity needed it to be a few years later.

• 30:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:12Chris Williamson?

  Whereas they were like, even now, in the midst of it, even though we don't know it, that's like how.

• 30:17Speaker 01

  And I mean, do what you want, you know, like this is America. Like that's the most ethos of this country is it's more just like, if you want to wear a mask in a car, like that's your right. It's the problem was when they were saying you have to do it. And then people are like, okay, well, that's very much un-American, you know, to to make anybody do anything. But I mean, you have you spent any time in Asia?

• 30:37Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, a little bit, not since COVID.

• 30:38Speaker 01

  But so they've been, you know, like I I traveled in Asia 15 years ago and, you know, you'd walk around and everybody's wearing masks.

• 30:45Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, that was for air quality and stuff, right?

• 30:47Speaker 01

  Well, air quality, and I think they had had some kind of smaller pandemics and they just are generally, and I look, I do think if you are very um, like strict about it and you know, proper, I'm sure it does somewhat lower your uh, risk of getting ill to some degree.

• 31:06Chris Williamson?

  You could play a pretty good game.

• 31:08Speaker 01

  I just don't care that much.

• 31:09Chris Williamson?

  You could play quite a good, we we actually did play a pretty good game of Asian or COVID, which is like, why are they wearing the mask? Is it because of like? Historical air quality?

• 31:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:18Chris Williamson?

  Or is it because of COVID?

• 31:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, I heard in Thailand, actually, someone explained to me that some people, because they wear these really big masks that go like literally here. And it's because they their class system, like many other places, is the more tanned you are.

• 31:33Chris Williamson?

  Yes, the lower class.

• 31:33Speaker 01

  The lower class you are. So it's and skin whitening is huge in Thailand.

• 31:36Chris Williamson?

  Dude, I went to Thailand, I saw this, the girls that worked at the front of the restaurants, the secretaries for like offices, for massage places, all of that stuff, would have like lighter skin, but you can see there's a line here. And it's it just completely drove home how culturally inculcated I was in the UK. For me to look at that and say, how strange, like purposefully making your skin lighter, because people who work in the fields are seen as like indigent laborers, that means that they're of lower status. The people who have white collar jobs that work indoors, they don't get tanned. How silly that you would try and lighten your skin. I go back to Newcastle upon Tyne, the place where the British version of Jersey Shore was filmed, Geordie Shore, to see girls make their faces fucking orange.

• 32:21Speaker 01

  Right.

• 32:21Chris Williamson?

  To like, give the appearance of, you know, I spend time outside and I can go to Marbella whenever I want.

• 32:26Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 32:27Chris Williamson?

  And it's the exact same, but in reverse.

• 32:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's that's pretty funny.

• 32:31Chris Williamson?

  And I just didn't see it. I was like, ah, how strange. As I go back to Newcastle to get caked in fake tan.

• 32:35Speaker 01

  Right. I guess it's the quickest way to signal something, right? It's just visually. Visually, like it's the equivalent of wearing like a Rolex, you know? But for.

• 32:43Chris Williamson?

  Such a strange quirk. I'll never forget one of my friends who's a DJ told me this story, we kind of the, you said like, cultural thermometer of what you're used to anchoring off and what you actually, you go to somewhere new and everything's upside down, fucking bar stools being turned around. He went and played a gig, DJ gig in South America. He's a DJ, he parties, he wanted some cocaine. He was like, I'm in like fucking Ecuador or Argentina or Colombia or some shit. He's like, I'm fucking, the source is here.

• 33:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:10Chris Williamson?

  Like the fountain of cocaine is here. So he goes to the promoter and he's like, can you get me some cocaine? And he looked at him. I was like, are you sure? It's like, yes, I would like some cocaine. It's like, fucking hell, man. I mean, like, I can get you some, but and he was thinking, oh, God, like, maybe there's going to be police. Maybe there's like, uh, the, the, um, prison sentences for it are really high or it's like very high. You know, we're going to involve us on some gang stuff. What it turned out was that people who do cocaine in these areas, it's seen as super dirty. It's seen as a scummy drug. But, uh, was it three TB or something? What's that?

• 33:46Speaker 01

  Two CB.

• 33:47Chris Williamson?

  Yes, two CB.

• 33:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, the pink, the, the pink stuff.

• 33:49Chris Williamson?

  Two CB. Yeah, two CB is seen as the high class.

• 33:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 33:52Chris Williamson?

  Because it's so hard to get a hold of down there.

• 33:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:55Chris Williamson?

  So he, the drug is the same. And in fact, probably of way better quality than the stepped on shit that you'll buy in a street corner in fucking New York.

• 34:03Speaker 01

  No question.

• 34:04Chris Williamson?

  But because the cultural position, like the map of that particular terrain was like, this is easy and cheap to get. So it just completely shows that the value of the thing is not intrinsic of the thing. It is the difficulty of acquisition and the price.

• 34:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And like two CB is like, it's like hot. Have you ever seen it? It's hot pink.

• 34:24Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 34:25Speaker 01

  Like this weird thing. You're like, oh, God. Yeah. So, yeah, I don't know. It's, uh, I had this guy on my call in show, uh, Johann Grillo, if you ever heard of him.

• 34:33Chris Williamson?

  I do know.

• 34:33Speaker 01

  You know him? Yeah, yeah.

• 34:35Chris Williamson?

  He's great.

• 34:35Speaker 01

  He's amazing. I was talking to him and he's, uh, like a narco reporter in, in Mexico or whatever. And he was saying actually like, yeah, cocaine is, it's like popular, but it's not the, the most popular drug is actually, I think, meth right now. And, and they have no issues because all the fentanyl comes over the border, but they have like no issues with fentanyl there.

• 34:52Chris Williamson?

  Douglas Murray went to this place in Philadelphia. Have you heard of Trank?

• 34:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 34:58Chris Williamson?

  Trank's like, fentanyl's fentanyl. It's for people.

• 35:02Speaker 01

  Like, like makes you like skin peel and.

• 35:04Chris Williamson?

  Just people, yeah, like bits of you drop off. It's like leprosy in a drug.

• 35:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:08Chris Williamson?

  And, um, yeah, he went to this place in Philadelphia and filmed this. I'm on like a campaign to get Douglas Murray, uh, acquired by the Daily Wire.

• 35:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:16Chris Williamson?

  I sat down with Jeremy Boring, the CEO, and I was like, dude, you need to acquire, uh, Douglas Murray. So anyway, fucking Jeremy, if you're watching, go and do it. Um, but Douglas went and filmed this thing. He hasn't released it yet, uh, but. Yeah, he went to Philadelphia and apparently like Trank has just taken over.

• 35:29Speaker 01

  That's a new one, yeah.

• 35:30Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, taken over the city. So like fentanyl, heroin not enough, fentanyl not enough. And then there's carfentanil.

• 35:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, which is like even more potent.

• 35:38Chris Williamson?

  So fentanyl, fentanyl, and then this is like carfentanil, carfentanil.

• 35:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:41Chris Williamson?

  Trank.

• 35:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, I mean, it's sad that people are, yeah, I don't know, to get to the point where you kind of, that's what you need, like even fentanyl is not doing it for you.

• 35:51Chris Williamson?

  Shit that would kill a normal man on the head of a pin.

• 35:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:54Chris Williamson?

  Is not enough for you.

• 35:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, you, you do develop a massive tolerance. Like I had a friend of mine who's a doctor in Vancouver, British Columbia, and they have, they have a big drug problem there and they've decriminalized all drugs. And she was telling, because I was asking her about the fentanyl thing. She's like, yeah, the thing is with fentanyl is heroin users can't get heroin, or sometimes it's actually vice versa, where, where people go to heroin actually because it might be a little cheaper. I can't remember. But anyways, she says, you know, they use so much fentanyl that they just, you, you develop a massive tolerance to it.

• 36:26Chris Williamson?

  Heroin's like fucking passively smoking, trying to get high and nicotine.

• 36:29Speaker 01

  Kind of, but it, yeah, but, but the, you just, you keep building up this tolerance. So the people who actually die from fentanyl are the ones who have never ingested it and it gets cross contaminated.

• 36:38Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 36:38Speaker 01

  And so they have no.

• 36:39Chris Williamson?

  Have you heard of spice? Is spice a thing over here?

• 36:41Speaker 01

  Spice is like, it's like fake weed or something?

• 36:43Chris Williamson?

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 36:44Speaker 01

  So I watch a lot of Cops, the show Cops, it's like a guilty pleasure of mine. And it's actually sad because a lot of episodes, like segments in Cops, is they're like arresting someone for spice. I'm like, why is this even illegal? And the problem is because weed's illegal. It's all in Florida. Like you always see people get arrested for spice in Florida. And I guess spice was like recently criminalized, but it wasn't always because I guess it's, it like, you know, it popped up and then they take some time to make it legal. But so people are forced to take it because they can't smoke weed, which is harmless essentially. Like, I mean, not harmless, but relatively on the scale of drugs it is.

• 37:25Speaker 01

  You know, like sure, it, it might give you some bad habits or whatever, but you know, relatively forcing people to smoke spice and then they're getting arrested for spice.

• 37:32Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. There's a, I think the way it works, maybe wrong with this, I mean, fucking spice expert, but I'm pretty sure that it, it is in a spray bottle and that you spray the, whatever the stuff is that you smoke with this particular solution. But I remember watching this thing on YouTube and this guy is wearing, literally wearing like three pairs of fucking surgical gloves. Because if even a tiny bit of it at this, you know, and he's like, they're spraying at a distance, like a fucking plant sprayer. And he's like, if you even got a little bit of this on you at that concentrate, it'd be like, you know, LSD.

• 38:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:06Chris Williamson?

  It would just completely destroy you. It's super dangerous. So yeah, it's just this. That's one of the things, I wish I'd brought it up with Jeremy, actually. But that's one of the things that I would criticize the, like, the right for.

• 38:19Chris Williamson?

  This obsession with more newsworthy, like sexy stories, like stuff to do with like trans books in schools and all the rest of this shit. It's like, the fentanyl problem seems like, like a really big deal that's just killing people fucking straight away. But I'm not really hearing anyone on the left or the right really talk about that. It's just like.

• 38:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's one of those things where.

• 38:38Chris Williamson?

  Just brush it under the rug.

• 38:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think so. I think it's one of those things where, uh, you know, you can't, like, you don't stop that problem by enforcement, right? It's like, you almost have to stop the people who wanted, which is, you know, the chicken and the egg war on drugs thing.

• 38:54Chris Williamson?

  Fix the fucking people.

• 38:56Speaker 01

  You know, like, there's no way that you can stop every, like, you know, um, truck that comes into the United States from Mexico. It's impossible. They can, they, they can maybe stop, like, even search 10% of them. And the problem with fentanyl is, is you need like a thing this big to kill 10 million people.

• 39:14Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, because it's so concentrated.

• 39:15Speaker 01

  It's so concentrated, right? So.

• 39:16Chris Williamson?

  Is it, is it right that it's supposed to be China that produces almost all of it?

• 39:20Speaker 01

  China, this is what Yoran Grillo told me. They produce the precursor. So there's like a precursor that you required and then so what happens is China and and but these are like um above the water like above board, you know, like just legitimate company pharmaceutical companies who make this precursor and and then um Mexican cartels are essentially acquiring it.

• 39:42Chris Williamson?

  So presumably that precursor is even more concentrated. So you need even less of that.

• 39:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know if that's how it works, if it's specifically a concentrated form or it's just it's just one of the ingredients.

• 39:52Chris Williamson?

  Right, right.

• 39:53Speaker 01

  That on its own is I don't think is necessarily toxic or maybe it is, but it's not fentanyl on its own. But if you get that one precursor and then you add it to this, you know, essentially like a recipe, I guess, you know, I'm no expert on this, but that's what.

• 40:06Chris Williamson?

  Fentanyl.

• 40:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, essentially, yeah. But so and then he I can't remember exactly what he told me, but something along the lines of like they had like, you know, the DEA tried to do some things with these Chinese companies and then kind of like they're they're unable to really stop them because it's, I don't know, it's it's some sort of and I think China says, you know, we'll try and crack down on these. But again, they're they're not technically illegal because fentanyl is used by hospitals and, you know, like if you have some massive surgery, they will give you some of these things.

• 40:37Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 40:37Speaker 01

  As painkillers, like they are like real painkillers, but like anything to get abused. So.

• 40:42Chris Williamson?

  Did you see Kim Jong Un wiping away tears as he asked North Korean women to have more children?

• 40:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then the funniest thing is they're all in the audience and they're all the moment the moment one tear, they're all just like.

• 40:58Speaker 01

  They want to get in trouble.

• 40:59Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. Assessments show that the fertility rate in North Korea has been falling for a decade amid increasing concerns within families over lots of money being needed to raise children and food. North Korean leader Kim Jong Un appeared to wipe away tears as he urged women to halt a decline in the country's birth rate. Mr. Kim was seen dabbing his eyes with a handkerchief in a rare moment of emotion as he addressed the National Mothers' Meeting in Pyongyang. The Hyundai Institute report said that North Korea's population was expected to shrink starting in 2034.

• 41:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's, uh, I don't know. I don't know what their demographic situation is like.

• 41:36Chris Williamson?

  Fuck dude, the South Korea, I think is at naught point six or naught point eight as a birth rate. Two point one is replacement.

• 41:42Speaker 01

  Two point one is replacement, yeah.

• 41:43Chris Williamson?

  And they, for every hundred South Koreans alive right now, there will be four great grandchildren. It's a ninety six percent extinction rate over the next hundred years.

• 41:55Speaker 01

  Jesus. Is there any country that's above two point one?

• 41:58Chris Williamson?

  Yes, um, so like funnily enough, the highest on the planet, Chad.

• 42:01Speaker 01

  Chad, yeah, yeah, just like the.

• 42:03Chris Williamson?

  Because they're Chad's.

• 42:06Chris Williamson?

  Um, no, yeah, that's the highest, but even, uh, Sub-Saharan Africa, every fifteen years, the number of children that each mother has is decreasing by one. So it's, I think it's about seven now, and then in fifteen years it will be six, and then in fifteen years it'll be five, and fifteen years it'll be four.

• 42:21Speaker 01

  In Sub-Saharan, the average family size is seven children?

• 42:24Chris Williamson?

  At the moment, yeah.

• 42:24Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 42:25Chris Williamson?

  Um, but I, I don't know whether that is per woman or per mother, because that's different. There are some women who don't have kids. And if you do that, if you actually look at that number in America, the number is still the same as it's always been. It's like two point three. Mothers have about two point three children or two point five children or something like that. It's the non-mothers that is increasing.

• 42:44Speaker 01

  Right.

• 42:44Chris Williamson?

  The women that have zero.

• 42:45Speaker 01

  Right, yeah.

• 42:46Chris Williamson?

  If you have one, you end up having like two and a half.

• 42:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:48Chris Williamson?

  But if you have none, you keep having none.

• 42:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, you keep having none, yeah.

• 42:50Chris Williamson?

  Um, so yeah, dude, that whole birth rate thing, but that's, that's one of the things that, um, do you know Peter Zian? Have you seen that dude?

• 42:58Speaker 01

  No.

• 42:58Chris Williamson?

  It's like a geopolitics guy. I had him on the show a little while. He did Rogan too. And, um, China's population is going to half, basically, over the next like.

• 43:06Speaker 01

  That's so funny that they had their one child policy.

• 43:09Chris Williamson?

  Fucked it.

• 43:10Speaker 01

  And it was such a disaster. But at the time, it seemed like such a necessary, great idea. And then it was like maybe one of the most short sighted things, because you can't just like undo that. You don't snap your fingers and go, okay.

• 43:23Chris Williamson?

  No kids.

• 43:24Speaker 01

  Back to two, or however many you want. You're like, no, the damage from that policy is hundred years.

• 43:30Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 43:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 43:31Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, it's wild. Well, I mean, either choice between. Uh, like famine now or like extinction later?

• 43:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:40Chris Williamson?

  Is, I don't know, like.

• 43:42Speaker 01

  I guess, yeah, yeah. But, uh, yeah, they're, cause they're, they have, I mean, it seems like everybody has huge demographic issues. I guess America, English speaking, Western countries though can fix that with just immigration, whereas China is probably a tougher place to immigrate.

• 43:54Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, they can, but I mean, that's just kind of kicking the can down the road. If you have like a total global population.

• 44:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:00Chris Williamson?

  This, which is ultimately what matters.

• 44:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:02Chris Williamson?

  And you just start trying to fucking move chess pieces around so you don't get any more chess pieces.

• 44:06Speaker 01

  Right. That, that is true. Yeah. I don't, um, cause I, I had a, this is total conspiracy theory based on nothing, but when Roe v Wade got repealed, that was, that my conspiracy brain was like, they're doing that because, you know, they, they gave America the, the choice to have more.

• 44:23Chris Williamson?

  Reduce their fertility.

• 44:24Speaker 01

  To have more kids and they go, you're, you're not having more kids. So we're just going to force it on you.

• 44:28Chris Williamson?

  The additional.

• 44:28Speaker 01

  And we don't care what, like how they come in or what they just, we need bodies.

• 44:33Chris Williamson?

  The additional conspiracy theory on top of that, which I heard someone give me was who are the people that are the least able? If you restrict access to abortion, who are the people that are least able to skirt around the rules? The poor people that become the worker drones.

• 44:46Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 44:46Chris Williamson?

  So it was just, we need some more fucking blue collar, like.

• 44:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:50Chris Williamson?

  Widget.

• 44:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, exactly. And at the end of the day, the way the economy is set up is it's essentially, like, I don't want to say like a pyramid scheme, but it kind of is like, it just, it requires more people, like the way that, you know, having steady like 2% growth every year that they aim for. And, you know, like you just, you need more growth. That's all they, that's, that's how the whole game is set up is just more people. Right? They don't care. Like, I mean, obviously to agree, you want which people, but you just need more people.

• 45:20Chris Williamson?

  I need to learn, I've watched so many different explainers about how the global, like currency, finance system and this embedded growth obligation and debt based financing.

• 45:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:32Chris Williamson?

  Like if you continue to kind of grow it, then it's almost like a Ponzi scheme within itself where no one realizes that the new money is like feeding the old debt.

• 45:40Speaker 01

  Well, kind of, and just new, new, like, you know, real estate, for example. Like you just, they always want to be building more and putting people in those things and putting people in those new houses. They don't ever, you don't ever want a scenario where they're just like those Chinese ghost towns, you know, like, and, and that's how they kind of set everything up. So they're just kind of slowly just building more things and they need people to take those things.

• 46:01Chris Williamson?

  After watching all of these fucking things, dude, I still kind of don't fully understand how it works. I need, I should probably just bring someone on the show.

• 46:07Speaker 01

  It's just more people. It's just, more, more people means they need somewhere to live and they consume more, they buy more stuff, like, you know, that's, that's, you know, again, some theories about why they're opening up the southern border is they're just like, those people are still, regardless of how you feel about it.

• 46:22Chris Williamson?

  People are people.

• 46:23Speaker 01

  They're still people and they're still consumers. They still have to buy toilet paper and they have to eat and they have to get around and, you know, most of them, uh, you know, some people are very uncharitable. I'm not, most of them will try and work and they want to work. Obviously some, because a lot of people are like, oh, they'll just, you know, live off the government, kind of thing. I think that's a very small percentage of those people. Most of the people just want a better life. If I was in their position, I would do the exact same thing. If I lived in some Central American country with 50% unemployment rate and I, I knew that, I mean, it's crazy because they're not even all Central Southern Americans. They're coming from all China, China, whatever. And, you know, if I was in their position, I'd probably do the same thing.

• 47:01Chris Williamson?

  Dude, have you heard what happens if you're a Cuban and you want to like escape Cuba?

• 47:06Speaker 01

  Oh, crazy.

• 47:07Chris Williamson?

  So we have a mutual friend who did a film event of some kind in Canada, I think, and told me this story. So he did this one thing and then his brother did a different thing. I'm pretty sure he filmed the whole, filmed the entirety of this like fucking journey that he was on. I was like, hang on a fucking second. Like this is like seeking asylum from a war-stricken country. I didn't realize that Cuba, it sounds so stupid. I didn't realize that Cuba was like a place that, first off, you're kind of not allowed to leave, doesn't want you to leave.

• 47:43Speaker 01

  Communist country. That's every communist country is you're not allowed to leave.

• 47:46Chris Williamson?

  But you've got, the US has basically got this rule where if you come from presumably Venezuela as well, and also maybe China, although I don't know.

• 47:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:56Chris Williamson?

  It's just like, hey, we'll give you asylum. Don't, don't worry. And, um, yeah, this guy told me, so he did this thing where he snuck out at. Four in the morning from some event and it was literally like a game of chicken. So he was leading this team of people, maybe they were like videography team or something like that. And I think he maybe had a partner that was with him and he knew because he was the leader. That if anybody else left the party that he was a part of, he would be culpable.

• 48:23Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 48:24Chris Williamson?

  So he was like, I'm just gonna fucking go before anyone else does.

• 48:26Speaker 01

  Right.

• 48:26Chris Williamson?

  So him and.

• 48:27Speaker 01

  Game theory kind of.

• 48:28Chris Williamson?

  Yep, exactly. It's prisoner's dilemma.

• 48:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:30Chris Williamson?

  And him and his partner leave at four AM in the morning, like sneakily, like pack their stuff, get out, hitchhike their way, blah, blah, blah, do all of this shit, nearly get stopped, get to the American border. Hey, we're from Cuba.

• 48:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:42Chris Williamson?

  Uh, give us asylum. And then his brother does the same thing, but travels like by land from fucking Cuba, through Guatemala, through Belize, through like fucking.

• 48:52Speaker 01

  Well, there's the whole thing. They all just, cause it's only like 60 miles from Miami, right? Cuba from, it's only six.

• 48:58Chris Williamson?

  Is it really?

• 48:58Speaker 01

  Oh, it's so close. That's so, like, there's all these, um.

• 49:01Chris Williamson?

  Spit on it.

• 49:02Speaker 01

  There's all these baseball players, because Cuba's like, has some of the best baseball players in the world.

• 49:06Chris Williamson?

  Yep.

• 49:07Speaker 01

  And, you know.

• 49:07Chris Williamson?

  Dolce Garcia, is he Cuban?

• 49:09Speaker 01

  Uh, I think so, yeah. Yeah, yeah, exactly. The guy on the Rangers, exactly. And they've, they've had, you know, endless amounts of good players, but they're not allowed to leave. But some of them are like, if I could just get 60 miles, like, uh, El Duque, who used to play for the Yankees, uh, I can't remember. I think his name's Orlando Hernandez in like the nineties, but he just like, you know, dead of night, they hop on like a makeshift rickety raft.

• 49:30Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 49:30Speaker 01

  Kind of like, you know, and they get over and if you can just get to shore.

• 49:35Chris Williamson?

  There's a $5 million baseball contract waiting for you.

• 49:37Speaker 01

  Fifty.

• 49:38Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 49:38Speaker 01

  Hundred million for some of these guys. Some of these guys are like instantly, you know, some of the top players in the league. But there, there's, and, you know, they do like the world baseball classic stuff where Cuba fields a team. And there's always, you know, same with like Olympics and there's always like a couple of guys who just defect, right? But the problem is, is that. There's, you know, your family's still in Cuba. And so now you like, they probably have some issues. It's probably like a thing of like shame to a degree.

• 50:03Chris Williamson?

  Well, the North Korean thing is if you break the rules, it's not just you and your family that gets persecuted. It's like eight generations.

• 50:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're extra.

• 50:12Chris Williamson?

  Condemn your fucking future great, great, great, great granddaughter to being like a fucking minor or something.

• 50:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, like my parents are from Russia. And like when my parents left, my mom's dad was in like the Communist Party. And in Russia, you know, like this is in the seventies. And when she left, he got kicked out.

• 50:34Speaker 01

  Like they gave him the boot and he was like a good, like, you know, communist, you know, he was like, he fought in the Red Army against the Nazis, all that stuff. Like he was like a war hero. And then they were just like, well, you know, you did a bad job raising your child.

• 50:48Chris Williamson?

  That collective punishment thing is one hell of a, like a motivator. Yeah, it's, it's, it's fucking wild, man. Do you see this undercover video shows Pornhub employees want porn to steer young people's sexual.

• 51:01Speaker 01

  I saw, you know what? I saw, I saw that trending. I didn't actually watch the video. So it's just like a kind of Project Veritas type thing.

• 51:06Chris Williamson?

  Exactly like that. Yeah. Employees of Pornhub's parent company were caught on camera touting the benefits of underage kids watching pornography and even suggesting that making videos of transgender identifying people engaging in sex could help young people figure out their sexuality, according to a new video released exclusively on the Michael Knowles Show on Wednesday. Employee Dylan Rice, senior script writer at the company.

• 51:25Speaker 01

  Script writer. They still do that?

• 51:28Chris Williamson?

  I don't know. They're seen arguing that pornography usage could be beneficial for preteens. Let's say you're 12 years old, you're still figuring out your sexuality, maybe even your gender. Wouldn't it be helpful to see a celebration, but not just, but maybe just a normalization of something that you think is what you want? Rice is seen saying, Rice went on to specifically reference a pornography site centered around transgender individuals remarking, let's say I was 12 and I saw trans angels, it would help me figure out what I do like and what I don't like.

• 51:54Speaker 01

  Um, I mean, I guess, I don't, I don't, I'm not sure. Like, you know, I, I, I haven't gone through every category of, um, the porn websites, but I imagine there's quite something for everybody there.

• 52:07Chris Williamson?

  Do you know what India, the second most popular type of porn in India is?

• 52:11Speaker 01

  No.

• 52:11Chris Williamson?

  Breastfeeding. Breastfeeding porn, dude, it's so strange. So this is from Seth Stephen Davidowitz's book, um, uh, Everybody Lies. And he, his argument was basically you tell Google things that you don't even tell yourself or your journal or your partner. Because it's what do you want, not what do you think about like writing and reflecting on?

• 52:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:33Chris Williamson?

  And he looked at Pornhub data and it's just breastfeeding porn isn't big anyway. It's not even big in like surrounding countries, whatever the fuck's around India. It's not big. Indian people, Indian men specifically, just seem to fucking love breastfeeding porn.

• 52:47Speaker 01

  Weird.

• 52:47Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 52:48Speaker 01

  And what, is there any theory as to why?

• 52:50Chris Williamson?

  He gave me like some, because cows are sacred.

• 52:54Speaker 01

  Oh, wow. This is like deep.

• 52:56Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 52:57Speaker 01

  It's like.

• 52:57Chris Williamson?

  Some fucking religious.

• 52:58Speaker 01

  Deep symbolism here.

• 52:59Chris Williamson?

  I don't know. Um, but yeah, this, I don't know, like, I've been thinking this more and more about the, um, some of the expose shit that we see online. There was a, a screen grab of maybe a Tinder conversation or a dating conversation that went mega, hyper, hyper viral of a guy saying that he wanted a traditional wife and the woman saying, that's really great because that's what I want too. And then he accused her of being a gold digger because she said that she would stay at home. And it's like early days dating or whatever, but it just like reading it seemed so not the way that people text, there was unnecessary exposition.

• 53:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:40Chris Williamson?

  About the fact that they went for dinner last night and I knew that I shouldn't have done that. And she was like, what do you mean? I paid for the bill at dinner last night. And it was like.

• 53:48Speaker 01

  You think it's fake?

• 53:49Chris Williamson?

  This just feels a little bit clunky.

• 53:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:51Chris Williamson?

  That seemed like a fucking false flag, but. The same thing with like some of the fucking secret camera shit. And then also the same for on street interviews, like the on street interviews, the ones that make these compilations. Like what, what didn't make it? Like, how many people said, I'm just really looking for someone that kind of respects me and loves golden retrievers?

• 54:12Speaker 01

  That's not going viral.

• 54:13Chris Williamson?

  No.

• 54:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's always, it's always the worst stuff, you know, and yeah, you don't know, like, like it could be legitimately. We talked to a thousand people, two of them said the worst shit you've ever heard of. And that's the only one that's interesting, I guess.

• 54:28Chris Williamson?

  It's this weird combination of, is it legit? So is, is what you're seeing contrived made up like that set of screenshots that I think was. And okay, let's say that that's not, was this an unfair representation of what most people saw? And then what does what they said actually mean? Is what they're saying what they meant to say?

• 54:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:50Chris Williamson?

  Is that actually how they're going to show up in their life?

• 54:52Speaker 01

  Added like, oh, man.

• 54:54Chris Williamson?

  Like it, every time I think about it, and it's like flogging a dead horse about like, oh, it's so hard to work out what the facts are. And people can't even agree on what the word truth means.

• 55:02Speaker 01

  Oh, we can't, we can't agree on anything anymore.

• 55:04Chris Williamson?

  It's wild.

• 55:04Speaker 01

  It's, it's insane. Every argument now is just everybody talking past each other. It, everybody almost seems like when they're arguing, there seems like there might be some resolution, like everybody feels like someone will be like, they say their point, everybody goes. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. We, we've, we've sorted it out, but it's not, everybody is just, you're on your side and that's it. It's, that's, uh, everybody's, you know, just picks a side and then they're staying on that side. It's very rare, I think right now where people's minds are changed.

• 55:33Chris Williamson?

  When was the last time, I keep thinking about this on Twitter, no one ever actually breaks the fourth wall on Twitter and says, hey, that was out of order. Like you can't say that. It's always this like clap back, satirical game of tennis where you're trying to be wittier or more cutting than what the last person said. And it's all like sardonic, passive aggressive, like quote, fucking subtweeting what the last person said.

• 55:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:55Chris Williamson?

  It's never someone like just going like, hey, hey. That's out of order.

• 55:59Speaker 01

  Right.

• 55:59Chris Williamson?

  To say that. No one actually fucking treats it like an actual conversation.

• 56:02Speaker 01

  No, no, no. I mean, you know what? The closest I've seen to some, uh, which was like, brought me so much joy. I thought it was the funniest thing to, to some sort of argument that resolved was in, uh, I posted this video about, because since the, it's been going on for a while. It used to be like really, you know, dark web kind of, uh, stuff like white supremacist stuff, but these charts of how Jews that are representation of Jews and things like in, I don't know if you've seen it, there'll be all like, it'll say like all the Jews in politics or the media, whatever, and these giant charts. Remember Kanye? He, he held up that, he had his thing about the spreadsheet. So then, once the war started, all these anti-Israel people were like, look at all these Jews that are.

• 56:46Speaker 01

  And so then I made this sketch and it was the guy that researches how many Jews are in things. And I'm like this very just like autistic, just like, I just like knowing how many Jews are in things. And I just make these lists or whatever Jews are on things. And it went like really viral. And then in the comments was this guy and is like, like he goes, well, what's so funny? Like, you know, why? Cause essentially a guy is like, who had his list and then he goes, he goes, my list is, uh, he goes, here's, and he had a, a drive link of a public list that he made. And then he started getting in an argument with another guy who's like, I have a list and my list is actually better. It's, it's more thorough. And then they were like in the comments, going back and forth with each other about whose list of Jews.

• 57:27Chris Williamson?

  Measuring competence.

• 57:27Speaker 01

  But it was.

• 57:28Chris Williamson?

  Circumcised dick measuring.

• 57:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it was there. It was, they were just like, who's, has a more, uh, accurate list of Jews that are represented in things. And then they were arguing and then they finally, the one guy goes, you know what? I, I looked at yours and yours is actually better than mine. And, uh, and then they kind of like became friends. It was, and I was like, oh my.

• 57:48Chris Williamson?

  You watched a burgeoning bromance occur in your comments.

• 57:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, in my comments. I, I screenshotted it all. Cause I thought it was the funniest thing and they, they essentially started off as enemies.

• 57:58Chris Williamson?

  Dude, it's been a fucking rough year for Jews this year. Like, but honestly, like between Kanye and fucking Middle East.

• 58:03Speaker 01

  Well, everybody's so surprised about the, the, what's going on now with the Jewish stuff. But, uh, I saw it firsthand with the Kanye stuff. Because when the Kanye thing, you know, I was commenting on that and, you know, like I was making sketches around that. And so I would see, go on YouTube on, on, and it was, you know,

• 58:25Speaker 01

  Pretty much all in favor of Kanye. So then, so I was not surprised. Now people are like, what, what's going on? People don't like Jews, huh? And I'm like, yeah, I've seen that for, that's kind of been been bubbling up. I think that's always kind of under the surface, literally for the last 3,000 years.

• 58:40Chris Williamson?

  But I don't have my head up my ass that much. I, I, I notice trends and I, I pay attention to shit as best I can. And I had no fucking idea that there was this much latent antisemitism.

• 58:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's just, it's kind of, it's, it's like herpes. It's like a cultural herpes, where it just, it has these outbreaks, like these flare ups, you know, and then it kind of like goes away, and then it kind of flares up again, and then, yeah, it is really weird to see, because I have some friends who, who kind of don't realize, because I get it, because I comment on this stuff a lot. A lot of the sketches I make are like around this stuff, like the ones I personally make, not with like Ryan. And, uh, yeah, and then like some of the, you see like insane comments. But, I mean, I don't know.

• 59:23Chris Williamson?

  Well, I mean, people have started to use like.

• 59:25Speaker 01

  The, the only thing I can do is just make fun of it. There's no, you know, it's still me.

• 59:28Chris Williamson?

  Even the episode I did with Peterson a couple of weeks ago, there was a bunch of comments calling him Juden.

• 59:32Speaker 01

  Juden Peterstein.

• 59:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I love it. Problem is, I'm like, yeah, I, I, I find it so funny, you know, I think a lot of Jews are, uh, don't find it funny. They're like, this is more serious. And, you know, I guess that could be determined. I sometimes joke about it where, uh, I make too much fun of this stuff and then I'm, you know, getting put on a train and I go, ah, I made too much fun of that. I should have taken that more seriously.

• 1:00:02Chris Williamson?

  Alex Jones tells Tucker Carlson that President Biden walks around the, the White House naked, drugged on amphetamines and benzos, as Elon Musk says that he's considering allowing, uh, Alex Jones back on X.

• 1:00:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, that, I mean, I don't, I, I don't know about that. I mean, I suppose it's possible.

• 1:00:22Chris Williamson?

  Well, we've, everyone's been.

• 1:00:23Speaker 01

  They should let him back on, though.

• 1:00:24Chris Williamson?

  Everyone's been, uh, speculating for quite a while about what they've had to pump Biden with in order to roll him out on stage.

• 1:00:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:32Chris Williamson?

  You know, like some, uh, like sort of punch drunk WWE star, like Hulk Hogan coming back for another, I need like a cortisone shot in the knee.

• 1:00:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:41Chris Williamson?

  Fucking opioids for my spine. And a chiropractor is gonna come in and do this thing.

• 1:00:46Speaker 01

  I I don't know. He uh, he seems to have his moments for sure where he's better and like sometimes you'll see him talking and you go, oh, he seems okay right now, but then sometimes, but I I mean, I kind of joke about it. He's the only 81 year old who we treat poorly like this. Like if he was not like a civilian, like we would never remember when he fell off his bike and everybody's like, that fucking idiot fell off his bike. You're like, he's an old man.

• 1:01:08Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, you pick him up and be like,

• 1:01:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're like, are you okay? Yeah, are you okay? Like, can we get you? And now we're just like, ah, ha, ha, he fell off his bike. But I guess when you're the most powerful person in the world, there's a

• 1:01:20Chris Williamson?

  That's so

• 1:01:21Speaker 01

  There's a higher standard.

• 1:01:22Chris Williamson?

  That's so right. Like, everyone's really mean to old people.

• 1:01:26Speaker 01

  He's like a sweet old man.

• 1:01:27Chris Williamson?

  That being said,

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  Not sweet, maybe not sweet, but

• 1:01:29Chris Williamson?

  I think uh, someone highlighted that if Trump gets in office next year, he will be older than when Biden got in office.

• 1:01:37Speaker 01

  I believe so, yeah, yeah. Trump looks older.

• 1:01:41Chris Williamson?

  Does he?

• 1:01:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:41Chris Williamson?

  I haven't seen him recently.

• 1:01:44Chris Williamson?

  Showing the old age on the face.

• 1:01:46Speaker 01

  Uh, he, yeah, he looks, I mean, again, I don't know what the kind of curve is, like the aging curve when I I've I've seen some people say it's almost closer to a step function. Yeah, like you just like your age, kind of like it it kind of

• 1:01:59Chris Williamson?

  Really hits you.

• 1:02:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, it really hits you because he does seem more than four years older than he was four years ago.

• 1:02:05Chris Williamson?

  The uh, well, there's that photo, that famous photo of Obama, right? Like before and after presidency?

• 1:02:10Speaker 01

  It's every president. That shit ages you. I I mean, when you have to press a button and kill a village, it has to take a toll on you.

• 1:02:19Chris Williamson?

  Do you know how they do the um, like fucking uh, nuclear football? Do you know how that thing works?

• 1:02:25Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:02:25Chris Williamson?

  I found out from this guy. It's so fucking fascinating. So there's 130 missile silos, I B C M, nuclear missile silos all around the states, right? At each one of those, at all times, there are two offices and both of the offices have keys around their neck. Now, what you would think would happen is there's a nuclear football that goes with the president and it's got a special piece of paper that they snap in like a wax seal. They snap that, they pull it apart, there's a piece of paper inside that's got a code. They enter the code, that then triggers the silo, the people get the code, enter the code, turn the keys at the same time. The reason you have two people is so that one

• 1:03:07Chris Williamson?

  is accountable to the other and so that one person can't do it on their own, but also that you don't get, I think it's called like willing dissenters or something, so that one, it's like there's pressure, right? It's like, no dude, this is your job, like we've got to do the thing. But obviously, one of the problems that you have with doing it that way is if you're fucking, if you're the guy that the silo comes off, both of you can be nervous about doing it. So we were about, I'm about to fucking turn the key and kill like, god, like thousands of people or something. So every 45 minutes or so, every single silo around the entire US has one of these things happen.

• 1:03:38Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:03:38Chris Williamson?

  All of them. And then the guys get their keys, put them in, turn them, enter the code, press the fucking button, and then they go back. So they-

• 1:03:46Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:03:47Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. Every, less than, it's like around about every single hour, and I think they're on eight hour shifts and it's like, whatever, the bunches of people, so 24 hours a day, 365, this is happening. And they always go off. It goes off all the time and they don't know if it's real or if it's another one of the drills.

• 1:04:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's just a drill.

• 1:04:03Chris Williamson?

  And they just have to, and the reason that they do that is when it does happen, if it does happen, when it's real, it's just you've been programmed. It's like this is part and parcel.

• 1:04:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's just like the muscle.

• 1:04:11Chris Williamson?

  But you'll have heard the stories from Russia, it's the opposite there. So it's the most junior members of staff that do that, or some of the most junior intelligence officers that have the keys, because it's kind of a bit of a droogie job. It's like put the key and turn it, press the button, blah, whatever. But in Russia, it's the opposite. It's the most senior members of staff. But you'll remember, like, there's like three times that we've come basically super close to nuclear war and, oh, it turned out to be like pieces of foil that were in the sky, or like the glints of birds or something, or some misreading on the-

• 1:04:40Speaker 01

  There was a submarine one and where they lost contact and they, they basically had some sort of order, like I can't remember the exact story. I think I heard it on coast to coast or something, but it's like a famous, like a US submarine, they, they lost full contact and essentially like the protocol was that they believed that they were under nuclear attack and they had to do it and then some guy-

• 1:05:00Chris Williamson?

  Willing dissenter.

• 1:05:01Speaker 01

  He overrode, he goes, no, we're not doing it. And then he was right. And he so had he not been, they would have just accidentally launched.

• 1:05:07Chris Williamson?

  Yes, crazy. So that that happened like, I think at least two or three times in Russia. But this in the US, this was the final like fucking kicker that I learned from this dude. And he said that um. Not only is it all of them happening almost all the time, 24 hours a day, 365, and they don't know if it's real or if it's fake. But all of them are part of one network. So all it takes is for one pair of people to enter the code.

• 1:05:33Speaker 01

  And they all fire.

• 1:05:34Chris Williamson?

  And they'll fire whichever one needs because they're all pointing at different places.

• 1:05:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:39Chris Williamson?

  Like, I can be in fucking Iowa and the Wisconsin fucking thing goes off, even if so you need like. One pair of people out of 130 pairs of people who also have the accountability of each other. And also don't know if it's real or if it's fake. And then I guess just one day, if it ever happens, one day, you're just gonna fucking like put the code in and then here.

• 1:06:02Speaker 01

  Oh, my.

• 1:06:02Chris Williamson?

  Be like.

• 1:06:05Speaker 01

  That's insane. You're holy shit.

• 1:06:07Chris Williamson?

  So fucking wild.

• 1:06:08Speaker 01

  That's wild. I had no idea. I always thought it was just the president goes. Enters the thing. Literally, I said.

• 1:06:14Chris Williamson?

  Some people.

• 1:06:15Speaker 01

  You just open a briefcase, there's a button, you go.

• 1:06:17Chris Williamson?

  Whack.

• 1:06:17Speaker 01

  Whack and.

• 1:06:18Chris Williamson?

  No, fucking cool.

• 1:06:20Speaker 01

  Probably better though, that way.

• 1:06:22Chris Williamson?

  What have you reflected on about this sort of Matt Rife fallout? Have you thought about this much?

• 1:06:27Speaker 01

  I thought, you know, honestly, I feel like I know a guy who uh who like opens for him and I, you know. He has a unique situation because his audience, one, he got famous super fast. His audience is all women, right? It's like 90, it's the opposite of our audience. Like literally, it's like all women. And uh, I think when this stuff like it was a basic joke. It wasn't anything that crazy, but I think. He, Matt Rife, probably wants to be like, I just want to be a comedian for everyone. So. I I think he kind of leaned into this controversy because it allowed him to kind of just.

• 1:07:03Chris Williamson?

  Shave off a bit of the audience.

• 1:07:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, you go, I'm gonna get rid of the 10% of the most annoying audience that uh just kind of, you know, it's maybe a little fair weather and I, you know, I don't want to cave to their demands. I just want to do what I want and he might have been able to replace those 10% with a new 10% of guys. So net net it probably is a better move. So that's kind of how I read it. He's just like, look, I'm a comic. I'm not trying to cater to a specific audience.

• 1:07:29Chris Williamson?

  Do you think that that playing it that way, because he then posted like the Instagram story if the special needs.

• 1:07:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, he's just trying to be like, that's just comic stuff.

• 1:07:37Chris Williamson?

  Do you think that that's given him or will give him more legitimacy in like the comedy world? Not that he doesn't already have it, but.

• 1:07:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, uh, I mean, I don't think he needs like legitimately percent like, you know, he's he sells 5,000 tickets a night like.

• 1:07:52Chris Williamson?

  He's already, that's legitimate enough.

• 1:07:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's legitimate enough. I think he just wants maybe to not be pigeonholed and nobody really does. I think as a comedian, so I think he he just wants to say, hey, you know, I'm not like some just handsome dude who's not doing jokes, you know, I can be funny, just like another comedian would, which I think was probably a smart move for him.

• 1:08:11Chris Williamson?

  I think I told.

• 1:08:12Speaker 01

  And then you get also just all the people complaining about you and it just raises your profile because you know, he was on TMZ, everybody's like, oh, this guy. So I'm sure lots of people didn't even know who he was.

• 1:08:22Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, yeah. Well, I think Rogan said his show has never had as many plays as when CNN was featuring him.

• 1:08:28Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:08:29Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. So the the Streisand effect, if you use it right, it can be pretty powerful.

• 1:08:33Speaker 01

  And there, you know, it's a saying, but there is really no, no negative publicity. You know, like as long as you're not doing something criminal, I suppose.

• 1:08:42Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. Yeah, I told you about this last night, but um Sam Harris talks about digital leprosy.

• 1:08:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:08:47Chris Williamson?

  But this is almost like um a purposeful leprosy or like elected leprosy. So Sam's point being that he gets into. Different furors and debates or whatever on Twitter, but now doesn't have Twitter. So bits of his audience might be mad at him and be leaving, but because he's not there, he doesn't notice it.

• 1:09:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:06Chris Williamson?

  Like a leopard, like the fingers fall off and the fuck falls off and they're like, oh, like I didn't feel it. But I wonder whether Matt, in some regards, almost was like, oh, this is my opportunity to cull some barnacles off the bottom of the ship.

• 1:09:17Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 1:09:18Chris Williamson?

  I don't want.

• 1:09:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:19Chris Williamson?

  So if I lean into this even more, I'll get rid of like a little bit of more barnacles too.

• 1:09:23Speaker 01

  And I mean, what's he supposed to do? Apologize for a joke? Like there's, that is like the number one rule of comedy. You do not apologize for your jokes.

• 1:09:31Chris Williamson?

  I asked Schultz this last year. Do you think that there are, is there such a thing as a joke that shouldn't be told?

• 1:09:38Speaker 01

  I mean, if it constantly bombs, I mean, that's the only thing.

• 1:09:43Chris Williamson?

  Is it funny?

• 1:09:44Speaker 01

  Is it funny and is it not funny? I, you know, obviously that, that's like the starting point is, is it funny or is it not funny? If you tell a joke and it constantly bombs and you go, yeah, don't tell that joke, then you can get into, you know, more like a craft kind of stuff where you say, hey, is this the, is this a good joke? Cause there's bad jokes that do well.

• 1:10:05Chris Williamson?

  Laugh.

• 1:10:05Speaker 01

  That make people laugh and there may be cheap jokes or whatever. Then you can start getting into that, but you know, every comic has, they, they have to make those decisions for themselves.

• 1:10:14Chris Williamson?

  That's exactly what Schultz said.

• 1:10:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:16Chris Williamson?

  Literally, he was like, I, I said, is there a joke that shouldn't be told? And he said, is it funny? And I was like, yes. He said, tell it.

• 1:10:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:25Chris Williamson?

  If it's a funny joke, you're allowed to tell it.

• 1:10:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. You're allowed to tell it. And then if you want to say like, you know, some, every comic sometimes will come up with a joke and then you tell it and it kills and you go, feels kind of cheap, you know, for whatever reason.

• 1:10:35Chris Williamson?

  What's like a?

• 1:10:36Speaker 01

  Not, it might even be, it might be icky because it's just like, ah, it's kind of hacky.

• 1:10:40Chris Williamson?

  What was, what, what's like an example of something like?

• 1:10:42Speaker 01

  Just like, what were you talking about with the, you know, you're just, comics are talking about their lives and then, you know, you talk about your life, like it was the airplane stuff going through the airport sometimes or whatever. And you're sometimes be like, ah. It's like, that's a funny joke, but you know, maybe it's not the best take on it.

• 1:10:59Chris Williamson?

  Like a Biden falling off a bike joke or something.

• 1:11:00Speaker 01

  Kind of, or I mean, I'll tell you what, uh, because comedy has shifted because of um, the speed at which it used to be like a lot of comedians would put out a new special every like four years kind of thing. And uh, now it's a little quicker because in order to tour and just the amount of comedians. But a lot of comics will comment on the same stuff. Like, you know, Jeffrey Dahmer show came out and then there's 10 comedians, you know, you might be the first, but then eventually.

• 1:11:29Chris Williamson?

  Everyone's doing Jeffrey Dahmer bits.

• 1:11:31Speaker 01

  Everybody's doing Jeffrey Dahmer bits and then you gotta be like, okay, do I have the best Jeffrey Dahmer bit or am I at least, there's like, it's almost like an arms race to get it out there, to be like, at least I'm the first one to get it out there. Because you definitely don't want to be the guy with the special with, you know, the 10th Jeffrey Dahmer bit.

• 1:11:46Chris Williamson?

  Ah.

• 1:11:47Speaker 01

  Right, but everybody's watching the same stuff right now. Like, and all these things are the biggest cultural things, you know, so if you want to comment on the thing that everybody is seeing, uh, I mean, the classic thing would be Trump with late night, you know, it just, it became so trite and it ruined these comedians. It literally like ruined their brains. You know, they were constantly just, all they could talk about was Trump and it was uh, and it was dishonest how they were talking about it and people kind of, you know, at first people were like, yeah, and then even people on the left were like, okay, this is, this is just.

• 1:12:21Chris Williamson?

  Hack.

• 1:12:22Speaker 01

  Tack, yeah.

• 1:12:22Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, dude, we were talking um, last night about this sort of fallout from late night show hosts trying to come and do less scripted, more just banter.

• 1:12:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:34Chris Williamson?

  Stuff and you kind of get to see like who's swimming naked there.

• 1:12:37Speaker 01

  They're all swimming, I mean, it was that Strike Force Five thing that they did, the five uh, late night hosts during the strike. And uh, I watched it, it was terrible. It was, well, it was literally a Zoom call between five guys, they had nothing prepared. They just, and you know, they, it, they're very classic, like they told, you know, Stephen Colbert was telling some story about some famous dictator's pants that he had and like some famous, I can't remember, but like some dictator like dated his mom or something in like the 60s.

• 1:13:07Chris Williamson?

  Memorabilia or some bullshit.

• 1:13:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, and he's like, I have his pants and then they tell some story about like buying, I saw Sammy Davis Jr., Jimmy Kimmel's like, yeah, I saw Sammy Davis Jr. like at a store.

• 1:13:17Chris Williamson?

  Okay, yeah.

• 1:13:18Speaker 01

  It's just like, it's just so banal and mundane and you know, you can tell they're like, yeah, these, the crazy thing is these guys have all twenty writers. And the twenty writers still are not cranking out much.

• 1:13:31Chris Williamson?

  What do you think's the future? What's the, what's the future of comedy from where you're seeing?

• 1:13:35Speaker 01

  I.

• 1:13:36Chris Williamson?

  Trends you've seen is that specials are having to be paced up more quickly.

• 1:13:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure. Louis, Louis was kind of the first guy who pressed the accelerator, but now, you know, yeah, you have to, especially if you're talking about certain things, it just gets stale. So you either put it out or you just can do it, uh, and then stop doing it, which is not.

• 1:13:55Chris Williamson?

  Is there a, is there a delicate balance between showing enough of what you're working on that are good jokes on Instagram or TikTok or whatever, to be able to sell tickets for your shows versus not releasing your entire special in forty-five second chunks in advance of the special?

• 1:14:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And you know what? Sometimes this is kind of a newer thing where a lot of comics will, you know, when they go on the road, they'll have a little time devoted to just kind of stuff that's in the news. And they're not the most polished jokes, but because they're referencing something so current, they actually will hit well. And then you can release those because those don't actually really make the act.

• 1:14:32Chris Williamson?

  Right, yeah.

• 1:14:33Speaker 01

  Those are like, like Mark Noah and Sam Morrell does a good job of that. Ryan does a good job of that. Um, but yeah, they'll just kind of like, just, it's almost like how we comment on something on a podcast, you know?

• 1:14:42Chris Williamson?

  This shit happened. Britney Spears, you see that video of Britney Spears?

• 1:14:44Speaker 01

  And you know, you're not really, it's not good enough where you're like, this isn't gonna make the act.

• 1:14:48Chris Williamson?

  Spears isn't gonna be a part of the special.

• 1:14:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's not gonna be a part of the special, but we can talk about this today in this one weekend at this show and then I'll clip this, I'll film this and put it out.

• 1:14:56Chris Williamson?

  Very good.

• 1:14:56Speaker 01

  And so you kind of.

• 1:14:58Chris Williamson?

  What else? What else is happening in, in the world of like comedy?

• 1:15:01Speaker 01

  Comedy? I mean, it's like, it's really funny. Me and Ryan were talking about how a lot of, uh, comedians are now like, like, like actor, like the actual celebrities are now becoming podcasters essentially, because that whole world is fragmenting. I don't, I, you know, we're not really in it, to be honest, but that whole world of comedy is, is getting, uh, very fragmented, like, you know, are the people who are fans of us, I can't imagine they, you know, they don't watch late night, they don't really, I don't even know what comedies are on. Like, I don't know what a comedy show is on right now.

• 1:15:37Chris Williamson?

  Big Bang?

• 1:15:38Speaker 01

  No, it's been off. So, so funny. We talked about that. It's been canceled for like seven years or something.

• 1:15:44Chris Williamson?

  Has it?

• 1:15:45Speaker 01

  But if you walk around New York right now.

• 1:15:47Chris Williamson?

  You'd feel like it was.

• 1:15:47Speaker 01

  No, no, no. They have their, like, the buses and taxis have all ads for it. Because that's what's going on with comedy, where they're promoting a show that's been canceled for seven years, like it's a show that's on because there's no good shows that are on. I know there's Always Sunny in Philadelphia is on, uh, which is, like, all the good shows comedy-wise are the shows that have been on for 15 years, like South Park, Always Sunny in Philadelphia. But in terms of new comedies, it's, there's, there's, and I get it, there's, you know, you don't want to take these risks. There's a disincentive to comedic risk-taking because of, you know, the climate, I guess.

• 1:16:26Speaker 01

  So, and they don't. And, and, you know, the comedies that come out are just the most vanilla, like, kind of mundane shit. And nobody watches them.

• 1:16:36Chris Williamson?

  The distance, because South Park's illustrated, I wonder whether the distance that the people who make it have from the, like, actors that make the actual, uh, front and center on the TV show, I wonder if that's giving them a little bit more longevity.

• 1:16:49Speaker 01

  I, I, I just think that they're such a moneymaker and, you know, like Comedy Central, like, for example, Comedy Central doesn't make anything anymore. They, they just don't. Like, I couldn't tell you what they make. They just air reruns of their, uh, properties that they have, you know, maybe Key and Peele. It used to be Comedy Central, if you got a special on Comedy Central, that was cool. It's not anymore. Like, nobody will say that, being like, oh, sick, I got a a half hour. I don't even think they do half hours. They'll do maybe like these 10 minutes, but Comedy Central's YouTube channel, I've said this many times, but because I, you know, I do live streaming for, uh, my call-in show that I do on Tuesday nights, called Low Value Mail, if you want to check it out, M A I L.

• 1:17:28Speaker 01

  But they have 11.6 million subscribers on their YouTube channel, Comedy Central, and they'll do these live streams of stand-up. It's like 200, 300 people watching. Like, they've absolutely killed their brand, like, killed it. It's destroyed. I don't even think it could be resurrected at this point. So.

• 1:17:48Chris Williamson?

  That's fucking crazy.

• 1:17:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, think about it, like, you know, Daily Wire has to make comedy stuff right now. And I saw a thing with Jeremy where he's saying like, you know, Joe Rogan essentially was like, you guys have to make this. And then he's like, yeah, you know what? We do kind of have to make this.

• 1:18:04Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:04Speaker 01

  Because nobody else will. And there's just nobody, everybody just wants to play it safe with, especially with comedy. There hasn't been, I mean, I've been beating this because this horse, because it's uh, just so crazy to me. There has not been a popular comedy movie, like a big um, box office hit in now 10 years.

• 1:18:25Chris Williamson?

  What was the last one?

• 1:18:26Speaker 01

  Ted 2. Like, if you look at the top 50 comedy movies of all time by, by box office, the only one, like the most recent one of those was Ted 2.

• 1:18:37Chris Williamson?

  Wow.

• 1:18:38Speaker 01

  10 years ago. Like, there's just, you know, there, and it obviously overlaps perfectly with what's going on culturally.

• 1:18:45Chris Williamson?

  Tell you what, speaking of Ted 2, Family Guy is still going.

• 1:18:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:49Chris Williamson?

  You didn't realize that it's still going. Where do you watch it? I've seen clips of it or whatever.

• 1:18:52Speaker 01

  It's on Fox.

• 1:18:53Chris Williamson?

  It's on Fox.

• 1:18:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, Simpsons 2.

• 1:18:54Chris Williamson?

  Um, but that seems to have really, I don't know, I remember in 10, 15 years ago, Family Guy was like, fucking.

• 1:19:03Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 1:19:04Chris Williamson?

  Hot.

• 1:19:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, they were.

• 1:19:05Chris Williamson?

  This is gonna be, this, it made South Park almost look slow in some way.

• 1:19:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:19:10Chris Williamson?

  Like more cool and more cutting and the, the characters are kind of a bit more lovable.

• 1:19:13Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:19:14Chris Williamson?

  And now it, I don't know.

• 1:19:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, I haven't, I, I, you know what? I can't even comment on it. I have not seen Family Guy in a long time. I'm sure it has its, its moments, but again, it's just one of those things where it's probably just, some big moneymaker, they're not gonna really be able to replace it with something that is comparable.

• 1:19:32Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. Jimmy Carr taught me about this idea of a trajectory being more important than position. So if you are 100th in the world at a thing, but last year you were 200th in the world, there is more allure and excitement around you than if you're number three in the world, but last year you were number two.

• 1:19:49Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:19:49Chris Williamson?

  So basically, your sort of trajectory is more important than your absolute position. And you're right with what you say about.

• 1:19:54Speaker 01

  Well, it's because it's more up, you're, it's uh, yeah, like there's more upside.

• 1:19:58Chris Williamson?

  Potential.

• 1:19:59Speaker 01

  And there's more potential and there's more unknowns.

• 1:20:01Chris Williamson?

  Correct.

• 1:20:01Speaker 01

  Around it, right? Like, once you're two, you know, well, you can only be one and that's it.

• 1:20:05Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:05Speaker 01

  And then we're done thinking about where this could go. There's no daydreaming about what could happen here.

• 1:20:09Chris Williamson?

  Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How, how high could they rise? Maybe even higher than the highest person.

• 1:20:13Speaker 01

  Right, right, right.

• 1:20:14Chris Williamson?

  But yeah, that sort of slow decline. But yeah, man, I, it's one of those things. I can totally see it why people. Would sacrifice credibility or cool or whatever. And it's not like they always purposefully do this. Sometimes people just like make calls that tweet things or say things or do whatever. That's like, oh, fuck, I thought that was kind of cool or interesting or whatever, right at the time. And it didn't be, it's not, everything is a rational, purposeful decision. But a good chunk of it is just not keeping your eye on the ball. And you're right, Comedy Central to go from where they were to where they are now.

• 1:20:48Speaker 01

  And it was just all the kind of, you know, not to sound like some crazy like boomer or whatever, but like, it really was the diversity stuff because they were, you know, when I think everything got like, it was almost like a hockey stick when Trump showed up, like in terms of this massive overreaction, course correction kind of thing. But, you know, they wrongly were over emphasizing like white guys, like when people say, you know, they were, they put too many of them. And but the problem is, is how do you, you know, like, you can't just like, exactly represent everybody. Like, it's that's like communism, essentially, like, what, we're gonna have a exact representation of every person?

• 1:21:31Chris Williamson?

  12.5%.

• 1:21:32Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? It's like, it's literally impossible. So they were overdid it one way. And now they and then they went in, they overdid it the other way. But with comedy, the problem was, is that sometimes like, you can't just, I know that you want to keep your jobs, right? And the only way to do so at the time was to say, hey, we need to like, really make this super diverse. But like, there just wasn't the people available to do that. Like, you can't, like, you can't just say, hey, this person's checks these three boxes. You're like, but that person's been doing stand up for three months. They're just not good. It's not nothing against them. And like, I don't blame those people for taking that thing. But you're like, that's just not how art should be.

• 1:22:10Chris Williamson?

  It's a ruthless position, almost to put the Elected person into as well because what's gonna happen that they're gonna say no.

• 1:22:18Speaker 01

  Never.

• 1:22:19Chris Williamson?

  Like they're not gonna say no, but if they say yes, then they they're kind of by all of the people in the industry that actually care. They feel like they've got an unfair leg up and then they're like, oh, right. Okay, so I say no to this and I maybe never get this opportunity again.

• 1:22:33Speaker 01

  You never say no, you now like comedians are never rarely turning down any opportunities like that. So, yeah, you usually take the opportunity and and then, but if you go look at the comments, right? Like, like comedy, go look at Comedy Central Stand Up's Instagram page, right? They've kind of, I think they've kind of seen the error of their ways, but in classically way too late. But it's all these people who followed them for Bill Burr and Dave Chappelle. And then they just started putting all these just kind of essentially amateur comedians on for the purpose of diversity, which is truly self-serving because it was for the purpose of these people keeping their jobs. Right? Because they essentially, it was like the tide came out and they were like, man, you know, the tide's out and we're, we fucked up.

• 1:23:16Speaker 01

  We, we put too many white people on or whatever. So then now we have to overreact. And then all the comments are like, what is this shit? Like, people are like this, where's the, you know, you got the like, where's the joke? And I feel bad for the diverse people who are actually good. Because then when they get put up, people will think it's for the purpose of diversity. Right? And you're like, so it's an unwinnable position. Because if they wanted to say, hey, we're gonna put the best people on, then there was a chance that it might not be representative enough, quote unquote. Because the thing is, there was, you know, when I started comedy, which is 15 years ago, a lot of women would fairly or or at least say like, you know, they would be the tokenized person on a show, right?

• 1:23:58Speaker 01

  They would say like, we already have one woman on the show, kind of like you'd hear that, like a show with eight people. But also. They were about that ratio of comedians. Like, it wasn't ever fifty fifty. Like, comedy is a guy thing, or at least was. And then, you know, when this stuff started happening, they were like, okay, we need fifty fifty. And you're like, that is not how comedy shakes out.

• 1:24:23Chris Williamson?

  In the barrel of women.

• 1:24:24Speaker 01

  But that's not how comedy shakes out. Like, it's not fifty fifty. Like, it's not, if you took a master list of all comedians, it's not half women. It's probably now a quarter.

• 1:24:33Chris Williamson?

  Well, I'll tell you one interesting thing that I realized was, I come from a nightlife background. The number of female DJs, because you can be a good DJ, you can be an all right producer and a very, very good DJ. So people go to see people that play good club sets that don't necessarily produce and make music that's absolutely banged and gone into the charts. But when you're doing DJing, there is, other than the selection of the things, it's not like, you don't know who's doing it. If I listen to a podcast with a guy or a podcast with a woman, like, I know, I hear what's coming out of them. And also, they have different talking points, too. But with DJing, it's like, if I press a fucking Tiesto track, or if a chick presses a Tiesto track, it is the exact same thing happens.

• 1:25:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:15Chris Williamson?

  Right? So from a performance standpoint, it's completely egalitarian. But from a lifestyle standpoint, do you want to just pack and unpack and live in hotels and be on the road and be up until four in the morning for a hundred and fifty days of the year? Like, is that a lifestyle that you actually want?

• 1:25:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:31Chris Williamson?

  But if you want to try and get fifty fifty representation, you're gonna have to, like, dig into population rather than, like, industry.

• 1:25:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:40Chris Williamson?

  Demographics.

• 1:25:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure. And you have to find people who are, you know, maybe, I don't know if in the world of DJing, not as qualified or whatever, but, I mean, again, this is communism. Like, when all this stuff, when we were in Canada, we were making stuff, and then, and the tide started to turn on this stuff. And like, Ryan would have like a show at CBC, and CBC would say, like, they'd literally send him a spreadsheet where you say you have to have all these things. And it was funny, because Ryan was the writer, director, producer, so that's all white guys. And so Ryan's sitting like, I have to, like, fire myself. Right, cuz, which is weird cuz he's like, one, I don't need a, uh, I'm like, I don't need a director. I wanna direct it myself. I wanna, I wanna do all this stuff myself.

• 1:26:25Speaker 01

  But then CBC's like, well, you're literally three white guys in this scenario. But then I would show my mom.

• 1:26:30Chris Williamson?

  He's one-third of a white guy, technically.

• 1:26:32Speaker 01

  Technically, well, no, you know, that's the problem is he's not.

• 1:26:36Chris Williamson?

  Took two jobs away from people of color.

• 1:26:37Speaker 01

  Literally, that's how they see it. And then, and I told my mom this, and my mom was like, yeah, that's, that's like what Russia was like. Like, that's like what living in communist Russia was like, like you, and I get, I get it. Look, there's always gonna be someone getting the short end of the stick. It's, there's no, and that's why I, you know, don't get too, you know, when I'm on, get told like, hey, we, we can, we're not seeing, you know, when I was doing acting in Canada, they'd be like, hey, if you weren't a white guy, maybe we could help you out, but just that's how it's going. And I never really got too worked up over it because there's always been someone who was told that.

• 1:27:12Chris Williamson?

  Yes.

• 1:27:12Speaker 01

  It's always, someone's always gonna get the, the short end of the stick. So you just gotta take it, you know, like, I don't, I don't really know. I'm not gonna be like making it my identity and complaining about it. I just go, okay, fine, I'll, I'll, I'll figure out a way. And I have. You know, so, uh, thankfully, there's YouTube and the internet and all that stuff where everybody can kind of carve out their own thing.

• 1:27:30Chris Williamson?

  Oh, yeah. Danny, let's bring this one home. Where should people go? They wanna keep up to date?

• 1:27:33Speaker 01

  Uh, you can find me on Twitter, Danny Jokes. Unfortunately, on Instagram, Danny Jokes 2.0. I'm, hopefully, we'll get my old Instagram, regular Danny Jokes back. But if you wanna find me on Instagram, Danny Jokes 2.0. Boys Cast, as you see right here, uh, my, my life partner. Yeah, my pleasure, my, uh, Ryan Long, who is on the road right now, but we do new episodes every Friday on YouTube, uh, youtube.com/theboyscast. And I do a call-in show that I had, that I referenced, that had Yohan Grillo on, I had Mark Dice on recently. And it's, I just love kind of like talk radio. I've always been like a talk radio fan. I don't know why, but, uh, every Tuesday night at 9:00 PM called Low Value Mail, M-A-I-L.

• 1:28:16Speaker 01

  And that's the name of the YouTube channel. And, uh, you can check it out. It's a fun time. It's the only podcast where you can watch and call in and be on as you're watching, even though, even though it's just a radio show. But it's on YouTube. But, uh, yeah, man, appreciate it, buddy.

• 1:28:28Chris Williamson?

  Appreciate you too.

• 1:28:29Speaker 01

  Thank you.