A New Approach To Optimising Human Movement | The Human Garage

Garry Lineham is a movement specialist and the Co-Founder of The Human Garage in Los Angeles. The Human Garage is home to some of Hollywood's biggest movie stars, NFL & NBA players, doctors and much more. It's about as progressive of a human movement facility as you'll find on the planet, their approach is starkly non-typical and seriously pushes boundaries in physiotherapy. Garry takes us through his entire journey and explains why The Human Garage has become one of LA's most talked about wellness facilities. Further Reading: https://www.humangarage.net/ (If you're in LA and would like to jump the queue for a consultation - mention Modern Wisdom and you'll get a priority response) - Listen to all episodes online. Search "Modern Wisdom" on any Podcast App or click here: iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/modern-wisdom/id1347973549 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0XrOqvxlqQI6bmdYHuIVnr?si=iUpczE97SJqe1kNdYBipnw Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/modern-wisdom - I want to hear from you!! Get in touch in the comments below or head to... Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Email: [email protected]

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• 0:00Chris Williamson?

  Hi friends. Now, you may remember earlier on this year that I got to go away to LA. And I got to see the guys from Romwood, which was really cool. Got to record some routines with them. I also got to go and see the guys from the Human Garage. Now, the Human Garage is a wellness and movement specialist facility near Santa Monica, just off LA's beach. And I first heard of them when Ben Greenfield mentioned them on his podcast. They have a very progressive, very forward-thinking and different alternative view of human anatomy and wellness in general. I thought it would be interesting for me to pay them a visit.

• 0:44Chris Williamson?

  So I got in touch and very kindly, they let me go down and use the facility. It ended up being around about a two to two and a half hour procedure. We were supposed to sit down and podcast while I was out there. But then the guy who played Superman in the 2005 movie came in. So he took precedence. But this facility deals with NBA stars, NFL players, doctors, Hollywood movie stars. They literally have got one of the hottest spots in all of LA. I'm very, very fortunate to have been able to go and see them. I wanted to get Gary, who is the co-founder on the podcast, to just try and

• 1:27Chris Williamson?

  explain where this very popular, very alternative thinking success has come from. And I think he manages to do it today. So I'm not going to take it any further. I'm going to let Gary speak for himself. One final thing, if you are in LA and you do want to check out the Human Garage, they haven't sponsored this episode at all. However, the waiting list is incredibly long if you want to see them. But if you mention Modern Wisdom, when you book for your consultation application, they will bump you to the top of the list. I'm going to be really interested to hear some feedback about this one.

• 2:10Chris Williamson?

  So don't forget, get at me at Chris Will X on Instagram, Twitter, wherever it is that you want to get in touch, or [email protected]. But for now, on to the show.

• 2:37Chris Williamson?

  Gary, welcome to Modern Wisdom.

• 2:40Speaker 01

  Hi Chris, how are you doing?

• 2:41Chris Williamson?

  Very good, thank you. And yourself?

• 2:43Speaker 01

  I'm doing fantastic. Sitting here in Southern California, nice and sunny. We've been having a little bit of a heat wave out here.

• 2:52Chris Williamson?

  Well, it's not too bad in the UK for once either, actually. I'm gonna guess, based on my experience when I was out with you guys, the weather is not going to be quite the same, but we'll take what we can get in England at the moment.

• 3:06Speaker 01

  For sure. Really good having you out here. It was really interesting. I just wish we had more time with you.

• 3:11Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, me too, me too. LA is one of those places. It's kind of like a hotspot for wellness and, you know, it pushes the forefront and the boundaries to a degree of treatments and of, you know, I mean, weed is legal out there at the moment, cannabis is legal, and, you know, it seems like it's,

• 3:33Chris Williamson?

  seems like it's very progressive on all fronts. Would you say that's about right?

• 3:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it's really progressive in all fronts. I mean, I'm from Canada originally and Vancouver. We're a bit more liberal in all aspects of things, but down here, you've just got a collection of both athletes, professional, otherwise Olympic athletes. So you have a little bit more of the treatment talent and the thought processes and the modalities that are out here. So you just get a bit more of everything, that's all.

• 4:03Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, I get that. So you are the co-founder of The Human Garage?

• 4:08Speaker 01

  Yes, my wife is my co-founder. She is the boss. She signs all the checks. I've learned through submission to be very nice to her.

• 4:18Chris Williamson?

  Fantastic. Well, you don't want your paycheck cut. That's exactly what happens with my business partner sometimes. If I've pissed him off for a little while, I'll find out that he's got a bunch of my paychecks sat in the safe.

• 4:29Speaker 01

  For sure, for sure. But we have a whole variety of people, as you know, that come out here. So we have people from all over the world, including UK is our third largest drug market. So we have quite a bit of people come from the Upeka out to Venice Beach to see us.

• 4:44Chris Williamson?

  So take everyone through at home who hasn't heard of The Human Garage. Take us through the story, where you started, what your ethos is, where you are now and what you do.

• 4:56Speaker 01

  Okay, fair enough. I mean, it's a little bit of a journey, but one of the best ways for people to get the whole story is to is to listen to some of the backgrounds. I mean, there's a number of different reports and media outlets that we've reported to. It started from, in the short form, the time that we have, it started with me being a professional bodybuilder back in the 80s. And I fell under a 600-pound squat, and from that point forward, the rest of my adult life, I've been in one form of therapy or another, trying to resolve that. And I was using exercise, stretching, and chiropractic physical therapy, Agoscu-Rolfing, Feldenkrais Method,

• 5:37Speaker 01

  anything and everything to keep my body out of pain. And I was always in like, from my early 20s through to my mid 30s, I was in a 2 to 4 pain every day, but towards the end of my 30s, I started being more like a 6 to 9 pain every day. So after being through every form of therapy literally known to mankind, not only here, but all through Europe, all through Asia, and I was just determined to find a way to solve my issue. And I realized that if I didn't understand enough to tell people to communicate my issue, every time I went to another modality, they had another way of looking at it. So I had to find a unified way of communicating what my problems were.

• 6:21Speaker 01

  So I looked for foundations in chiropractic and as physical therapy to try to help explain my problem. So when, I don't know if you've ever experienced this, Chris, but if you go from doctor to doctor with a chronic issue of any kind, having to explain yourself and go through their process each and every time, it gets pretty tedious. And after hundreds and hundreds of these, you just start learning the language. So as we learned the language of chiropractic and physical therapy, we went to the next step, and I was just trying to really solve my issue. So I sought out the top 10 people in probably every industry you can imagine, and went to them wherever they were in the world. Um, and towards the end, as I got into my thirties, my, my back would be going out

• 7:06Speaker 01

  once or twice a year. But it got to a point where it was, it was starting to go out every month or two. And at the end of it, it was like 10 times I would, my back went out and I would be out for about two weeks at a time. And so I was in, in bed 22 weeks, uh, towards the end of my journey. And that's where the foundation is, where I said something has to change because you may or may not experience this or have any relationship to this, but at some point I didn't want to kill myself, but I really didn't want to be alive anymore. It was just a excruciating pain.

• 7:39Chris Williamson?

  I can imagine, I can imagine it's very, very uncomfortable.

• 7:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And neurologically it gets stressful too, because the pain itself starts to become the pain.

• 7:49Chris Williamson?

  Well, yeah, it'll start to re-pattern. That's correct, isn't it? Especially with back pain, I'm right in thinking that as you get back pain, you'll be, you become more susceptible to further back pain.

• 7:59Speaker 01

  Correct, yeah, yeah. And it's because your, your whole body is trying to organize and keep itself aligned and working in, in gravity. And that's really what the, the challenge was, is that we were looking at the body the wrong way, or in my opinion, the most of the industry has looked at the body the wrong way. And that's part of the reason why we have so many people that are in rough shape.

• 8:20Chris Williamson?

  Okay, so that's the, the setup, I suppose. Who was it that you went to go and see? You said that you went to go and see a number of experts around the world. Can you remember who they were?

• 8:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I just don't feel it appropriate to call up people, but nothing worked. So.

• 8:37Chris Williamson?

  Oh dear.

• 8:38Speaker 01

  If, if I had a smashing success with somebody, I'd maybe want to call it out. But this, just basically, and it wasn't the practitioners, it's just the way that we there, we were approaching the body. Each modality learns how to help the body, uh, with its background and its own view of the body. And if you don't fit any one of those boxes, and you know, there's a number of people out there that are going around from practitioner, practitioner, and from modality to modality. And it's just, and they, they trade off a little bit of, of success or a little bit of pain reduction, but, but then they have to go somewhere else. And that's typically what happens. People just get pushed around from therapy to therapy until, until one time that they're... Just no longer to do it, able to do it anymore. And that's, that's, that's generally what happens to people today.

• 9:20Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, yeah, I can understand that. So where do you go from there? You've spent enough time with the doctors that you feel like you could do their job for them. And what, what comes after that?

• 9:31Speaker 01

  Well, you know, there's, there's a number of different things. So I was using whatever therapy I could to manage my own pain and discomfort. And people always ask, what kind of pain was it? Was back pain, neck pain, it was generalized discomfort? Um, it was, it was something where I would have ribs going out all the time. My neck would go out all the time. And there just seemed to be no, no solution for it. So, um, at one point, of all the places I travel in the world, and I'm, I'm literally mean all through Europe and all through Asia. Uh, one of the places that I, I found a guy in Orange County, which is about forty five minutes south of where I am right now. And he had a neuromuscular therapy that he was using to make Olympic runners run faster.

• 10:13Speaker 01

  And that therapy got me up and over the hurdle. And, and as long as I did it twice a week, I was virtually out of pain. Now, I still had high levels of discomfort, but you know, when you've been in pain for a long time, a day or two without pain is, you'll take any wind you can get.

• 10:28Chris Williamson?

  Vast difference, right?

• 10:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. And that therapy was, uh, got me out of pain. I used that, uh, we, at the time it's called brain body calibration. It, um, I looked at the guy who was doing the therapy and he was a PhD in medical science, kinesiology and pain management. And I looked at him and said, he's about ten years older than me. He's probably gonna die before me. Um, I don't mean that to be facetious, but I'm looking at saying, this is the only therapy I've had in twenty years that keeps me even stable. Um, I'm gonna need somebody else to do this. So I convinced him to, um, to go off and hire, uh, we, we started up the Rubensheim Centers and we hired five doctors, forty therapists, thereabouts. And we used that as a, as a platform to start, uh, and expand his thought process, which was a neuromuscular therapy.

• 11:15Speaker 01

  And like I said, the therapy got me out of pain, but I had to do it twice a week. And I became a victim of yet another problem, which was, uh, the fear of pain. So I was out of pain. I had to go on a vacation and I knew that it within the two weeks that I was going to be gone that I would be in pain before I got back and I and I just couldn't get myself to leave because I couldn't get myself to go into that level of pain again. And that's where I realized that that my solution was was to manage my pain through treatment wasn't a good solution. I needed to find an answer. And so as we look to additional modalities to try and bring them in to help me understand what to do next. My partner at the time, just, you know, he said it was my name on

• 12:00Speaker 01

  the door and it was. And it's Rubinstein centers and he said, so no, this is a modality of staying here. So at that point, I decided to to leave and and continue my journey and find a way to get myself permanently out of pain. And that's what led to the human garage.

• 12:19Chris Williamson?

  Wow. So what was it specifically that you think was the difference between the most recent treatment that we've just been discussing there and everything that you tried previously? Because as you say, it didn't necessarily fix the discomfort, but it did fix the pain. And that's a pretty big step to take at the beginning. So can you identify what it was about that treatment that was different?

• 12:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, so the treatment we were using previous to this, if you looked at it, I mean, people have seen it online. You see two or three people standing around a table. It kind of looks like ART, but the intention was much different. We had a fund. Basically, there's been two fundamental beliefs that have been with us since the day we started. The first one was the human body is designed to heal itself. And if it is designed to heal itself, we either have to stimulate it into doing something or or stimulate it into not doing something and just let the body figure itself out. That's that's the one primary belief that we had. And the second one was I just I didn't believe that I was unfixable. I didn't believe that I was the only

• 13:25Speaker 01

  one that everybody I knew that had to continue doing therapy for the rest of my life. So with that foundation of belief, I literally started working in a garage. It was my garage here in Venice Beach and I had had a PT that I was working with and we were just experimenting and we were just following a series of what seemed at the time dumb ideas or just illogical ideas. And we had a series of discoveries which led to led to how the body was managing itself in gravity, basically. And when we had figured that out, all of a sudden, we'd done a very specific release on one of the adductors in my right leg. And I stood up straight for the first time in my life without any tension.

• 14:08Speaker 01

  It was a very bizarre experience. But that's what let us believe that there's more to this than what we learned in school. There's more to this than what we've been educated about. And it started opening up this process of always looking for a better way and always investigating.

• 14:25Chris Williamson?

  Okay, so did you do during this period when you were developing the human garage, did you do any formal training? Did you go and do physiotherapy education? Did you do any biomechanical work or anything like that? Or was it kind of learn as you go?

• 14:41Speaker 01

  Well, it depends what you consider to be formal training. I've spent 25 years studying, educating, hiring people to train me, paying for training, going for courses and seminars. I mean, heck, I started a business with a PhD in medical science and had five doctors and dozens of therapists defending his science. So yes, there's a lot of education, but the formalized education, and most people can relate to this, you go to school, you learn a bunch of stuff, then you go off and you go into your practice or into your career and you use almost nothing that you learned in school. And it's not really no different in healthcare. A lot of the education comes from being out there, working with people and seeing live results.

• 15:21Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, that's totally correct. I guess the letters, the letters in front or behind your name are just, they're really just a failsafe for someone who doesn't know you that says, I have the minimum required education that someone should do to be able to practice what you think that you want from me.

• 15:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm the least trained or educated person here.

• 15:46Speaker 01

  I'm serious. I mean, I have, I have actually technically outside of nutrition training and supplement training. I, you know, I've taken courses in biomechanics and fashion and stuff like that. But those are more, more interest courses that you would take as a practitioner. But for the most part, yeah, my training came from the street, but what, what that allowed me to do is ask a lot of dumb questions, Chris. And, you know, when you ask dumb questions, you get smart answers. And, you know, like, for example, um, let's just, let's just jump off the deep end. Where do we start off with? I, I looked at it and said, okay, I have a problem. And my background, just so you know, is, uh, when I got out of school in the eighties, uh, you could go out and be a doctor for a hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year.

• 16:29Speaker 01

  You could go and be a lawyer for about two hundred thousand dollars a year. Or you could go into wireless industry and technology and make three quarters of a million dollars a year. So I did what any young man would do. Went into wireless, went into technology and I went, I went where the money was and, uh, and I, but as I started getting more and more, uh, problems of sick or more and more dysfunctional, I started organizing more of my life around my dysfunction. So in other words, if I'm going to a telecom conference in Miami and I had a choice between Miami and California, I'd take the one that had a health conference somewhere around that time. And I started double dipping in my, in my travel because I was really trying to figure out, you know, what the issue, we know what the issue was.

• 17:15Speaker 01

  The, the nice thing about asking stupid questions is I gotta, as I said, let's dive off the deep end. I gotta ask the biggest one, which is, is the brain in charge of the body? And, you know, fundamentally, uh, scientifically, that's not true. It's, it's a command center, but it's not the command center. And if it was a command center, Chris, then why is it then when a baby's being developed that the heartbeats before the brain is developed?

• 17:40Chris Williamson?

  That's interesting. So what do you mean about the brain not being in control?

• 17:45Speaker 01

  Well, it's not in charge. Okay.

• 17:46Speaker 01

  It's a control center. Yeah, so it's not. If you think of your body, like we've contextualized this experience of being human. And we try to make analogies so we feel grounded in those analogies. Like we say, our brain is like a computer. Well, let me give you another reference point. How about your body is like a computer and your brain is like a CPU. It runs programs. The brain is always analyzing the internal and external environments imposed upon us and adapting us to the environments. And, you know, the latest research on the vagal nerve shows that ninety percent of the information goes up the vagal nerve to the brain. Again, that's another indicator that maybe the brain isn't in charge.

• 18:25Speaker 01

  And so if, so the world of science and medicine starts to split right there. Either the brain is in charge of the body or the brain is just another organ that's part of the body's operation. And if you say the brain's in charge of the body, then the body's a meat suit. And then that's where traditional medicine and thought processes go down. But there's a whole new world of people that are saying, hey, there's way more to this than we think. Like, for example, your fascia, which we were working on when you were here, Chris. Yeah. Is a hundred trillion cells. Your brain is a hundred billion cells. That's a thousand times, that's a thousand stomachs in your head. Or, sorry, in your fascia.

• 19:04Speaker 01

  Your brain is, your fascia is a thousand times more organically dense than, than supposedly the command center in the body. And if you think about the fascia from the inside of your skull to the inside of your feet, right on your toes, it's a complete sheet of material, connective material. And I'll give you a way to reference it. Think about that material. It's all one big sheet and in there, there's pockets and in those pockets lie muscles, tendons and bones and organs.

• 19:36Speaker 01

  So basically, if you think about it that way, that's more of a true representation of the body. And the body has all these input systems or these intelligent systems that have to work together and they're interdependent. And each one is dependent upon the other one. Like even the brain is dependent upon your senses to give you information. So one of the things that we get here with a lot of people is they'll have a neurological, like a vestibular inner ear balance issue and their brain perceives that they're falling over. Well, if you have a vestibular issue and you're trying to do body work or chiropractic work or alignment work or train yourself or get your glute to fire, it's not going to fire. Because neurologically, the brain has the wrong information and the body acts accordingly.

• 20:17Speaker 01

  So the idea is, is that we can't separate mechanics from neurology, from organ function. These are all have to be looked at together. And the problem with our current system evaluation and treatment is they're all broken apart.

• 20:31Chris Williamson?

  Okay, I understand, I understand. My self-myofascial release, to one degree or another, is like a mainstay of almost all strength sports, or almost all sports in general. Pretty much every, from casual to professional sports person's gonna have a foam roller or a cross ball or whatever in their, in their kit bag, right?

• 20:54Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 20:55Chris Williamson?

  So to one degree, people are aware that the fascia is important, but it sounds like you're putting a lot more emphasis on it than previously had been, is that right?

• 21:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I mean, there's, there's a, there's a lot of stuff. I mean, we don't have the time on this podcast to dig into it, and if people want to listen, there's a lot more where, where I've, I've gone into this into deeper fashions. But basically, you think about it this way. The fascia is, completely wraps a body, it's super intelligent, it, information travels beyond the speed of light, faster than you can feel it. Like if you were to, if you're sit there right now and you're clenching your right jaw... You'll feel it in your right foot the second you clench your right jaw. The problem is, is that a nerve signal takes about a second and a half to make that same distance transit. And so if you really look at it, is the way that we are getting information that our

• 21:49Speaker 01

  brain or our body operates on, is it really what we're told? And the answer scientifically is coming up, no, no, no.

• 21:55Chris Williamson?

  So you think, you, you think that it's something to do with the fascia that's communicating? Is that right? Like the fascia's communicating signals?

• 22:03Speaker 01

  It, it does. There's no question about it. It takes a second and a half for a nerve signal to go from the foot to the brain, back to the foot again. So when you walk off a curb and you hit a sharp rock, how can you move so fast? You know, in medicine, we say, it's in science, we say, oh, it's a reflex, like the ganglion reflex. But, but that's an, that's an unintelligent movement. If I hit my knee, a doctor hits my knee with a hammer, my knee is gonna jolt, right?

• 22:28Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 22:29Speaker 01

  But if I step off a curb and I have zero drop shoes and I step on a rock and I jump and I move intelligently, that's not the same response as a doctor hitting my knee with a hammer. So the question is, a nerve signal cannot travel to the brain that fast, so how is that signal getting there?

• 22:45Chris Williamson?

  Good question. Good question.

• 22:49Speaker 01

  Well, so our, our hypothesis is it's fascia and we deliver it every day by, you know, we can, we can demo it in just 10 seconds while you're sitting here on a table. But the whole point is, let's just say this, without getting into the particulars and having catfights about what is and what isn't, let's just say that the information that we have doesn't adequately explain the experiences that we are currently living in. And if that's the case, then we, that, that just opens a door to us to look and investigate. In the human garage is, we recognize that there's a truth in every single modality that's out there, and you know that we have MDs, we have chiropractors, we have nutritionists, we have naturopathic doctors, we've got bodywork. We got PTs and neurologically trained trainers.

• 23:34Speaker 01

  We've got every form or every discipline that helps the human body into one location.

• 23:39Chris Williamson?

  You were very well, you were very well armed with different practitioners while I was there. There was about, I think maybe six people upstairs, all of whom were from a different background or a different discipline. And then at one point, I think about four of them were working on me.

• 23:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, exactly. And that's the other part too, is that the body, you know, we can get into that too. But the body just, it's, it's not the way that we think it is. And again, if we open up that question and that thought process, you start to, you start to investigate and look at more. So part of the reason why there's four people working on you is that there's three distinct regions of the body. The lumbar, the thoracic and the cervical. And each of those regions have its, has its own little equal structure, things that it does that's important. Like, like pressure relief valve, your head has a pressure relief valve, it's your ears. Your lumbar has a pressure relief valve. That's your, yeah, your, your backside. And your diaphragm itself, at the top of the diaphragm, has two pressure relief valves.

• 24:40Speaker 01

  One with the esophagus and one with the arteries. And, and the body is always trying to balance the pressure and the mechanics. And what you experienced when you were there, there's three of us working on you. You're standing up and there's three people touching you in different areas of your body. And what we're doing is stimulating a response and we're asking your body to figure itself out.

• 25:00Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, just as a brief segue here, if anyone is listening on iTunes, you're going to have to imagine this or Spotify, wherever you're tuning in. However, if you are on YouTube, I'll make sure that video guy Dean overlays all of the footage, all of the imagery that I got while I was having this treatment in human garage. So head to Modern Wisdom on YouTube to check that out. If you want to see just what Gary's actually talking about here. But it does, it does look a little bit like a, if it's a still image, it looks a little bit like an army of people and maybe fighting me. But if you see, if you see a video, it's a number of people twisting, right? There's a twisting motion going on.

• 25:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And what we're. And what we're doing is we're providing facial inputs to different regions of the body. And the reason why we do this, this is actually the interesting thing, Chris, is because people that have no reference to us, they're like, why are you doing therapy standing up? And I'm like, well, it's pretty simple in my mind. We're meant to be standing and walking in gravity. So if I want my body to act in a certain way, the best thing to do is put it in its natural environment, let it figure itself out. I looked at the human body and said this, you know, again, asking dumb questions. I looked at it and said, okay, if I'm going to fix myself, I'm going to approach it like a tech problem, like I did everything else. And I said, what are, what's my goal? I want, I have back pain, neck pain, I have bloating, I have brain fog, I have, I have

• 26:21Speaker 01

  pain in my feet. I want to be able to stand and walk without pain and dysfunction. And at that point, that's all I'm saying. I mean, I'm at the point now where I'm going to play sports again for the first time in two decades, which is really cool.

• 26:35Chris Williamson?

  What sport are you going to choose to play?

• 26:38Speaker 01

  I don't know, you know, I've been trying to make a decision, which I go back to, but I'm such a fan of golf, but I want to do something team based, so maybe it's some volleyball.

• 26:44Chris Williamson?

  You've got, you've got the build, having been around you for a little while, you've got the build for someone a little bit bigger than a golfer.

• 26:53Speaker 01

  I know, it's just that little white ball. It's such a pesky thing, you know, it's like, all I want it to do is get in a hole and all it does is fight me.

• 26:59Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, yeah, I've, I've, I've felt that, felt that pain before as well.

• 27:04Speaker 01

  So, so the strongest action, I looked at and said, okay, what is it, what are the things that are imposed on, on the body? And literally, I wrote down like this, gravity, atmospheric pressure, emotional stress, sleep deprivation, dehydration. I went through it and missed all the things that were potentially wrong in my body or that were wrong. And only to find out that the first two had never been thought about in 3,500 years. We've never considered our body's ability to adapt, to compensate around atmospheric pressure and gravity. And since those are the two factors that are, that the single largest imposing factors on human condition is atmospheric pressure and gravity.

• 27:47Speaker 01

  And in 3,500 years, we've never considered that at any form of therapy, mechanics, sports mechanics, in any way, shape or form. That just doesn't seem logical to me. And so when we, when we looked at that, we started, we said, well, what happens when we put the body in gravity? And what we found out, as you saw, Chris, is a very unique thing happens. The body's strongest, strongest action of a human existence is our ability to adapt or compensate. And we're great at compensating. Now, the thing is, we put the body in gravity and we give it inputs, the body has to adapt to our inputs and gravity. And the adaptation is a unification between the three areas of the body. And once that

• 28:31Speaker 01

  happens, everything else starts to just work better.

• 28:35Chris Williamson?

  Okay, yeah. I mean, I remember when we sat down, I remember you discussing the spiral of gravity going down and how that can affect, affect different areas of the body. I remember you speaking about the atmospheric pressure as well.

• 28:49Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 28:49Chris Williamson?

  So how do, how do natural forces like pressure, air pressure and gravity, how do they unprime the body? Or how do they prime the body for injury, should I say? Or how do they unprime it for being optimal?

• 29:03Speaker 01

  Right. Okay. So yeah, I'm trying, trying to decide how far we go into these discussions.

• 29:08Chris Williamson?

  As far as you want, Gary.

• 29:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, we, we do have a time restriction. We've got about 30 minutes left, right?

• 29:13Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 29:15Speaker 01

  So the, so basically, imagine this, you're on a, if you've never held a gyroscope, I encourage people to just hold one for once. Cause you have put a little gyroscope the size of your palm in your hand, and you hold it in your arms straight out, and your whole body will want to turn around. And it's bizarre. But basically, we live on the planet Earth. Earth spins at a thousand miles an hour. And that creates a centrifugal or spin gravity. And it travels at 66,000 miles an hour around the sun. So it's another gravitational force. And what we're doing is we're standing against it. And gravity is not just pulling us down, it actually pulls us and slightly torques us. And depending on our orientation and where we are, hemispheres, northern hemisphere, southern hemisphere, there's a slight difference.

• 30:00Speaker 01

  At the equator, there's a difference because gravity is imposing a different force on us in those behavior, in those, in those areas. So when we're in the northern hemisphere and we're being pulled down, typically, you're going to have a little bit of a pull from your left shoulder to your right hip. So you're pulling and rotating into your right a little bit. And that's why most people, that's why the most common injuries, eighty percent of people, they tend to have injuries in the same generalized areas. And that's because we have the same basic forces applied upon us.

• 30:28Chris Williamson?

  So eighty percent of people in the northern hemisphere have got an injury which is left shoulder or right hip, is that correct?

• 30:36Speaker 01

  No, they got a tension pattern, left shoulder to right hip.

• 30:38Chris Williamson?

  Okay.

• 30:38Speaker 01

  Usually, yeah, so we have a little joke here at the garage. We say that murderers are silent, but victims scream. And what I mean by that is that the tight muscle is the murderer. You don't feel it, silent. But what you feel is all the muscles reacting to it, all the screaming from all the muscles that are trying to resolve that one issue, the one muscle being tight.

• 30:59Chris Williamson?

  That's the referred pain, so to speak, right?

• 31:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, referred pain or reaction to. So typically, people are tighter on one side. Most people can tell you, I'm tighter on my right side or my left side. And most people are tighter on one side of their body, and the injuries typically happen on the other side, because the body's composite around it. But what I am saying is that eighty percent of people have the same basic tension pattern, because we do things basically the same way. We tend to throw the ball most of the time with our right hand, right with our right hand. Now, there's lefties too. And there's people that are back and forth, goofy or ambidextrous. But just generally, the majority of the world has the same type of issues. So if the same forces are applied upon the body, then there comes into things like socialization. Do I play a sport? Do I walk?

• 31:46Speaker 01

  Do I sit down? And all those things just start to change. But after a while, you start to know as patterns. In the physical medicine industry, most practitioners would see, they have about twenty-five or thirty-five appointments a week. Thirty-five is on the top side usually. And you're going to see people usually once or twice a week. Twice a week is kind of the norm when you're in a repair status. And so you're talking about somebody having somewhere between twelve and eighteen clients a week they see. And they're going to double it up over the course of the month. And they're going to see them a couple of times in a month. So they're most likely seeing about fifty to sixty people a month. In the human garage, and you know our format's open. We're into the two and a half to three thousand appointments a month.

• 32:30Speaker 01

  So we have such a broader aspect to see things in, since it's an open format. I'm not only a witness as what's happening on my table when I'm working on you, Chris, or where we're working in the corner. I can see all the other people working, what's going on. So my, my scope of what, what is normal or what patterns are, starts to, starts to really enlarge.

• 32:51Chris Williamson?

  I guess your, your, your sample that you're taking data from, in whatever form you want to say that, is wider by, by a pretty big factor. If you guys, if you guys are moving through between two to 3,000 clients a month, and as you said at the beginning, and this is something that I did want to emphasize for people that are listening at home, the range of, um, the range of clients that I saw while I was in there, I think you had a pregnant woman, followed by me, then followed by the guy who played Superman in the 2005 movie, is that right?

• 33:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, Brandon Rouse, yeah.

• 33:31Chris Williamson?

  Brandon, Brandon Rouse, is it?

• 33:33Speaker 01

  Rouse, yeah, yeah.

• 33:34Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. So, and you've got NFL players and you've got basketball players and...

• 33:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. All sitting there on the same tables, right beside each other, going through the same therapy. You know, my general thing is if it works, it works, and it shouldn't be less because you have less money. Um, ours are, we're neutralizing therapy costs. So people pay the same price for, the same work that gets done on a professional athlete, gets done on a pregnant lady. I mean, we maybe do different therapies, but...

• 34:04Chris Williamson?

  Yeah, you might not quite have the same physiological demands, but it's nice, it's certainly nice for people to be able to feel like they get the same level of treatment. I certainly know from personal experience that if you go into some physiotherapy studios, you know if you've kind of been put in with the apprentice or the master sometimes.

• 34:26Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 34:27Chris Williamson?

  And the, especially when your health's on the line, or an injury's on the line, and you want to feel like you're getting the best service, that's not a, it's not a very conducive environment. Definitely not for healing, right?

• 34:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's an interesting dilemma, Chris, because then, you know, in the world of healthcare, what we do is we, we, uh, we, um, put the practitioner, the guy who has a therapy, on a pedestal, and you'll see that, even if you go through our media and stuff like that, you'll see podcasts from all my practitioners, doctors, and stuff like that, because this isn't about me, first of all. And, um, second of all, is that it's not a very good strategy to have the, to have the, the access to help people, a limited resource. So, I am a limited resource, there's only one of me. And, um, but the idea is to be able to take and have

• 35:20Speaker 01

  a system that allows my, that allows my staff, whether they've been here two months, or three months, or six months, or 12 months, or a year, or five years, to be able to deliver the same, get the same end result. And the same end result is, and we found a way of systematically doing it.

• 35:36Chris Williamson?

  So you've been able to-

• 35:37Speaker 01

  We use the junior practitioners as-

• 35:39Chris Williamson?

  I was gonna say, you've been able to expedite your training, is that right?

• 35:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, it's a lot of hands-on. The junior practitioners are the hands for the senior practitioners. And our practitioners are called motion mechanics and torque mechanics. So, what happens is you start off as an assistant, um, and depending on your level of skill, your ability to understand, you move to become a torque mechanic. And then, the senior, the most advanced part is a, is a, as a motion mechanic, and then a master motion mechanic. And the, the difference really is, is that we encourage our, our practitioners to be multi-disciplined. Like, for example, a master motion mechanic makes more money than a motion mechanic, but the reason why is because they understand neurological

• 36:23Speaker 01

  rehabilitation, they understand the chemistry, and the supplementation aspect, they understand the fascial work, they understand the chiropractic portion, so they have a wider range of knowledge. And- But at the end of the day, really, all you care about is, as a client, is that you come in, the pain that you have or the issue you have is looked at, understood, addressed and resolved. And that's what we've been good at. And it's not the Gary Lineham show for sure. And I'm trying to make myself less and less and less available.

• 36:56Chris Williamson?

  Well, I mean, that's how you, from a business perspective, that's how you make yourself, how you make the business bigger than you, right? And obviously, that's how you allow yourself to scale as well.

• 37:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:06Chris Williamson?

  I think what you've touched on, there must be, you must hear some skeptical voices in the industry, both from people who are established and defensive, from people who don't understand or aren't willing to understand. But I think what you focused on is correct. If someone comes in and they have a pain or they have a discomfort or they have a problem, and when they leave or at the end of their course of treatment or whatever it is, if that has been reduced, then the method has been effective. And

• 37:39Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 37:40Chris Williamson?

  Do you think in the industry

• 37:42Speaker 01

  Not everybody buys into that, though. You know, like, I'll give you a really, I'll give you an example. Twenty-five percent of our clients are doctors, medical practitioners, chiropractors, physical therapists, surgeons, whatever. And I was dealing with a guy not too long ago. He'd been in pain for about fifteen years. And within forty-five minutes, he's out of pain, literally out of pain for the first time in fifteen years. And, and I said, you know, he was in, somebody else got him to come in, bought him an initial consultation. It was, he kind of pushed him into going. And, and, and he's, he's in orthopedic, by the way. And, and at the end of it, I, I just said, hey, how do you feel? He says, interesting enough, I'm out of pain. And I said, well, let's, let's go forward and let's, let's take this to the next step

• 38:27Speaker 01

  and let's work this out so that you can have this as permanent solution. You know, something that you know how to manage. He goes, you know, science hasn't worked out on this. You know, I'm thinking I'm gonna wait a little while to see, to see how this all shapes up. And I'm like, you gotta be kidding. You've been in pain for fifteen years. You're now out of pain for the first time in fifteen years and you wanna wait and talk to somebody about it?

• 38:47Chris Williamson?

  You know, it's That's, I mean, that's, that's kind of, that's a perfect example for what I was referring to there, which is potentially people dogmatically sticking to whatever their ideology is, whatever their school of thought is, and not, not permitting themselves to allow the effect of whatever the treatment is to move through them. So, I mean, why?

• 39:08Speaker 01

  That's a society, Chris, that's a society thing. So, we, we value in our society, time and lineage more than we value results.

• 39:16Chris Williamson?

  That's a, that's a lovely, a lovely little synopsis. No, you, you're, you're absolutely right. I mean, it, does it feel sometimes like you guys at the Human Garage, because you are quite progressive, you know, there's a bed of crystals for decharging, which I want to get on to in a second, and there's the talk therapy and three practitioners working at once. Do you sometimes feel like that's maybe an easy target for kind of vindictive critics and stuff like that to go after?

• 39:44Speaker 01

  You know, I, I don't, I, I guess it could be, I don't know if it hasn't been so far, and I'll tell you why, is because publicly, we've never told people how we do what we do. We just do it. So, so the one thing it's hard to argue with, you can't argue with, with results.

• 40:02Chris Williamson?

  You also can't, you also can't argue against a process that you don't know what it is either, I suppose.

• 40:06Speaker 01

  Correct. Yeah, you can't pick it apart. So, and, and by the way, that's purpose, personally, like, how do you, do you really care how I did it? Or do you just really want to know that it's been done? Because, you know, I can spend all this time drawing out the technical aspects and talking about the science of it and back and forth and our investigation, how we found it, or, or just want it done. And that's, so the idea is that it kind of splits into two categories. The people who just really want to get it done initially, and then, then the ones that, that, you know, that have to understand. And if they want to understand, they come in here, we'll explain, we'll explain to people as they come through the process.

• 40:47Speaker 01

  We, we explain everything that we're doing, why we're doing it. We, we show them the thought process, even if they have some history, like they're a body worker, chiropractor, this is how you would look at it before, correct? This is how we look at it, and this is what we're gonna do. And we're always there to explain to people, but just generally as a rule of thumb, I think that the more we try to explain right now, the more, uh, the less credible it sounds. I mean, uh, uh, listen, I was just working and just before I got, I got on this podcast with you. I had a guy that I'd been working with and he was an old client. He's been, you know, uh, probably four and a half years ago, five years ago, really when we were starting the thought process, right?

• 41:29Speaker 01

  And, uh, so he hadn't been, been here in about four years, somewhere in that range. He comes back in and normally looking at him, it would have been, okay, we're going to be here for the next, uh, 12 hours of therapy, six sessions or seven sessions, eight sessions. And in 35 minutes, he walked out better than he had ever walked out of the human garage. And, and that was, that's a, that's a shift because even for a practitioner who's used to delivering a result, but, but they know what kind of time and energy it takes to deliver their results. To be in a situation where, you know, 20, 30 minutes, like can do more than they used to do in age of 10 hours. That's all hard for people to swallow. And by the way, that's our biggest problem with practitioners today is training them is that it just looks too simple.

• 42:11Chris Williamson?

  They can't let go of the tether to their previous education to, to one degree or another.

• 42:16Speaker 01

  Oh yeah. And this has got to be the worst industry in the world where people are tethered to an education that I've ever seen.

• 42:21Chris Williamson?

  Well, it's, it's interesting. So I was, I was learning about, uh, a, a theory called working from first principles. It's something which Elon Musk does a lot. And it definitely sounds to me like you're, for want of a better term, your lack of education, formal education within the industry has permitted you to look at these issues in a new light. And, you know, if you're, if you guys are doing between 2,000 and 3,000, um, clients a month and of those about

• 42:51Speaker 01

  It's actually appointments, appointments.

• 42:53Chris Williamson?

  Appointments, sorry. Sorry about that. So, but that would mean, that would mean sort of circa, what, 100 to 200 healthcare professionals, if about 25% of them are, are from the healthcare industry, if you've seen people once a week or twice a week, something like that, you know, it's a, it's a, a good number of healthcare professionals are coming through the door.

• 43:10Speaker 01

  Probably about seven hundred and fifty since we started.

• 43:12Chris Williamson?

  Wow. So I mean, that's, that's a significant number of people with, you know, I mean, what's that? Seven hundred and fifty, you do about five years in medical school for each of those people. So you're talking on like nearly four thousand years of study.

• 43:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 43:29Chris Williamson?

  And these people are coming back for one reason or another, they are coming back.

• 43:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, usually, usually it starts off as either skeptical or not, come in here with an issue, solve the issue, then they usually trial it with a few friends or patients, something like that. And it works out, they just start referring. And that's why we didn't have a website till last year. And we weren't open to the public.

• 43:51Chris Williamson?

  You didn't, you didn't have a website until last year?

• 43:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, it, it, there's no point in like, I mean, we have, we have a reputation, people are trying to get here. There's no point in knowing people even, even further if they, if the waiting list is like eight months or a year. Like we had people last year that we're calling them up, we're cycling through. I did a podcast with Ben Greenfield last year. And there was, there was a couple of people, there was about a hundred and fifty people that still hadn't had some sort of contact with us from here. And we're contacting them, they're like, oh yeah, I forgot that I'm on that waitlist. That's how long it is sometimes. And we're, and by the way, we're, we're way better now because we've increased our capacity. But it's been a, it's been a growing process. Like a year ago, there was only six people total that did therapy.

• 44:38Speaker 01

  Today, there's like five people doing therapy.

• 44:41Chris Williamson?

  How many was that, sorry?

• 44:43Speaker 01

  Six last year and there's about twenty five this year.

• 44:45Chris Williamson?

  Okay. And I guess, as you've said, expediting the training from being previously, how long was it?

• 44:55Speaker 01

  You know, it's nine to twelve months to have somebody functional and, you know, realistically, you know, twelve to eighteen months to be comfortable with, I could walk away. Today, that, that's thirty five, eighty percent reduced because it's just the, the tenants of what we do. I wish we had more time to talk about how torque affects the body, but that is the magic of what we do.

• 45:16Chris Williamson?

  The untalking, I mean, that was, you know, that was the buzzword. If I was to take a word away from the, uh, the session that we'd had, it, it would have been untalking. And, you know, the, the spiral down, there's a, a cool YouTube video that I will make sure that Dean overlays in YouTube and I will put in the show notes below where a guy pops a flower in a funnel and he's next to the equator. Have you seen this?

• 45:40Speaker 01

  Yes. Yeah.

• 45:41Chris Williamson?

  Yeah. So pops it in on one side and it spins one way and he pops it in on the other side and it spins the other way. And then he walks to this line on the floor and puts it on it and pops the water in and it falls straight down. Our bodies are, uh, I'm not sure what percentage water, but I know that it's a lot.

• 45:56Speaker 01

  Seventy five.

• 45:57Chris Williamson?

  Seventy five percent water. There we go. Thank you. That's why I've got you here, Gary. You're just an assistant to, uh, to deliver me facts about water. Um, and, you know, it, does it sound ridiculous that our bodies would be subject to that as well? Well, I mean, we're not constantly draining, but.

• 46:12Speaker 01

  You know, think, think about it this way. I say this all the time to people. We're 75% water. So we're basically, we're an aquarium with legs.

• 46:22Speaker 01

  And if you, and you start, you know, I like to take these wild, extreme comparisons to, to either show how right or how wrong things are. So basically every law that governs water on the planet earth governs the entire inside of your body. And the fact that we think that physics and engineering and, and natural laws of nature, that, that, that we should be different is the problem. I mean, we just, as human beings, we're on the top of the food chain. We're the best in the universe. We've, you know, grew up thinking we're alone and no one else in this whole 14.5 billion year universe, it goes hundreds of billions of light years. Uh, no one else could be alive. I mean, it's just, think about how ignorant we are when we say stuff like that.

• 47:06Chris Williamson?

  Well, on a segue on that, I recently did a podcast with, uh, Adam Frank, who wrote a book and recently did, uh, published a paper on exactly that, what the likelihood is of us being alone in the universe.

• 47:17Speaker 01

  Actually, if you just want to go to, just go to NASA's website and you'll see it all leaking out. Uh, with UCLA, they just did a report and they said, No, actually, even in our own solar system, there are thousands of planets in our solar system that have to have life. I mean, they're really reversing the thought process. It's just, it's just when you've stuck to a parting line for, you know, for like a hundred years and then you find new evidence, you don't want to tackle it so quick because.

• 47:44Chris Williamson?

  And do you mean in our galaxy or in our solar system?

• 47:47Speaker 01

  No, I mean, sorry, in our solar system, in our galaxy. They're just saying life is everywhere. And this is all new stuff NASA's been releasing over the last 24 months. And it's not big press releases. You just look because they're, they're required to release. So they actually, they, the UCLA NASA report just said that the entire universe is teeming with life.

• 48:08Chris Williamson?

  Okay. Well, I mean,

• 48:09Speaker 01

  And that's a big diversion from where we're at.

• 48:11Chris Williamson?

  Adam Frank will be, will be very happy to hear that. So I want to, I want to cover two more topics before we, before we finish up. So first off, I want to talk about how you think that strength and conditioning complement what you're doing or how they fit into what it is that you guys are doing. We've discussed the fact that the body, the body repatents movements and moves itself around pain. To me, it would feel, if someone's had pain for an awful long time and has reprogrammed bad movement patterns, it seems difficult to believe that they would be able to be repatent in the space of one hour. Does that make sense?

• 48:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, fair enough. So the, so there's, there's, there's structural. So the balance is the energy that my body uses to stand against gravity. And then there's movement. Movement is where those patterns come in. And if you don't rehabilitate motion or movement afterwards, then the, we are basically, our bodies are a collection of everything that we have done to date. Whether it's movement, whether it's food, whether it's drugs, whether it's psychological, emotional issues, our body is the scoreboard for everything. And, and if you could think, maybe we could do one thing for the listeners. If you could take and put your hands on your knees, so your thumbs are on the inside. So thumbs are on the inside of knees.

• 49:35Chris Williamson?

  I'm doing it now, I'm doing it now.

• 49:37Speaker 01

  Okay, so turn from your thumb on your one side, your right knee, turn your thumb towards your little finger. So you're turning away from the center of your body.

• 49:45Chris Williamson?

  Uh huh.

• 49:46Speaker 01

  And initially, within seconds, you're gonna feel your arch tighten up, you're gonna feel your quad, your lateralis tighten up, your glute tighten up, and all the way up into the back. Do you get any of that, Chris?

• 49:59Chris Williamson?

  I think, well, I've got sweaty hands at the moment, but yeah, yeah, I think, yeah.

• 50:03Speaker 01

  Okay, so, so basically, what that is, is applying a little bit of lateral torque in the knee, and then all these muscles, the two lateralis, the gastrox, the medial arch, my periformis, all tighten up immediately. If you turn it the other way, so that the little fingers are coming to the thumbs, and you hold that, within seconds, your back will release, your quads will release, your legs will release. And that's, that's a side example, by the way, that, we have a home care program, gonna be out in about two months, we're partnering with Gwyneth Paltrow, we're putting it out to the world for free.

• 50:38Chris Williamson?

  You're partnering with Gwyneth Paltrow for a home care program?

• 50:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:42Chris Williamson?

  That is a big name, that is a really, really big name to have behind a home care program. I mean, it's not one that I would have immediately, I guess, is Gwyneth Paltrow into wellness and, and stuff like that?

• 50:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, she, she has a platform out here called Goop, G-O-O-P.

• 50:57Chris Williamson?

  Okay.

• 50:58Speaker 01

  Don't ask what the names.

• 51:00Chris Williamson?

  It's not, it's not, it doesn't sound very nice, does it? But, um, so what does Goop do?

• 51:04Speaker 01

  Uh, it's a health and wellness platform, but it's for people that are moving towards health and wellness. It's not the same kind of people that we're talking about, who are into fitness, nutrition, who can re- repeat to you what they're, you know, why they're taking a microbiome test and stuff like this. These are more, it's just a broader base of people.

• 51:21Chris Williamson?

  Yep.

• 51:21Speaker 01

  But it has a big reach. It has, you know, roughly about 50 million people in their reach. And so what we're doing is a home care program, which is in 15 to 20 minutes, you can reduce your own tension and pain in your body by up to, up to 75%. The reason why we're doing that, and the reason I did that with your knee, that's one of the home care activities. And the reason why we're releasing this in this way is that part of the time that we're rolling out and stretching tight muscles, when it's really just the torque in a joint. And if you remove the torque out of the joint, the muscles automatically relax. I'll send it over to you, Chris, but I'll send a, I was working with, for those of you guys, football fans, but different football out here.

• 52:02Chris Williamson?

  American, yep.

• 52:03Speaker 01

  American football. We have the Philadelphia Eagles, and Haloti Nada, he's a 345-pound linebacker. And, you know, he's, he's, he's been in the league for 16 years, I think. He, you know, he's one of those guys that walks really slow from the car to the place. He doesn't move that fast, right? Linebacker.

• 52:19Chris Williamson?

  He's 345 pounds. I'm surprised he can get out of the car. He's a big old boy.

• 52:24Speaker 01

  Big boy, yeah. So we did the torque work on him. And without any warm-up, he just ran, he ran the 40, he ran it eight times. He ran it as fast as when, as the day he qualified in the league. And we did no other form of therapy to him. We just removed what was stopping him from performing. So my, my basic belief is this, is that the body and the muscles are designed to do a job. And the job that they're designed to do, if you remove the restrictions, it'll do it. So we spent all this time trying to get like my glute to fire harder, or whatever, remove the torque from the muscles, and the body will perform accordingly.

• 53:01Chris Williamson?

  So this goes back to your, one of the first principles that you mentioned, which is that you believe that the body, the body knows what it wants to do, and the body's able to fix itself. But sometimes there's inhibitions and these roadblocks that get in the way. And those are, those are manifesting themselves in the fascia, mostly.

• 53:19Speaker 01

  In the joints, in the fascia, in the joints.

• 53:21Chris Williamson?

  In the fascia, in the joints, mostly. And the, one of the remedies to that is untalking.

• 53:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, and if you untorque the muscles, then you get to see what's really happening. Because like when we did the knee, you felt a couple of muscles starting to tighten up. Well, if you hold that there for 30 minutes, you're gonna wanna, you're gonna wanna take a roller, roll out that muscle. But if you just have to turn the knee and provide a counter torque, and that all goes away by itself, then the rolling of the muscle was actually an ineffective action. It was actually creating damage to the body or tension the body didn't need to have. And that's part of the, that's part of the issue. So like what we've done with our athletes is they, they stretch between 75 and 90% less once their body's untorqued and they have a basic untorquing pattern for themselves. And, uh, and little things like this is like, uh, like running pro athletes without warming up.

• 54:12Speaker 01

  I'm not suggesting you do that, but.

• 54:14Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 54:15Speaker 01

  But, but I, you know, knowing what we're doing, I'm taking a pro athlete who doesn't run, and he's running as fast as I've done in 16 years, just by taking the torque out of the joints.

• 54:23Chris Williamson?

  I mean, it sounds, some of the, uh, some of the results, some of the claims are, they're unbelievable.

• 54:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, and the cool part of what it is, is that's, that's because they're all true.

• 54:34Chris Williamson?

  Yeah.

• 54:36Speaker 01

  And it's, it's, that's a base, when you base our therapy, what you said earlier about skeptical. Yeah, you could be skeptical about it, but you can't argue with the results. You can argue with why we got them.

• 54:48Chris Williamson?

  That's the bottom line, hey? So I wanted to finish off. I know that there will be some healthcare practitioners and also some soft tissue workers, chiropractors, or the physiotherapists and other people who work with people close to them on a daily basis. A lot of my, uh, co-hosts on this are in the medical profession as well. And we had a really interesting discussion when you laid me down on a bed that had crystals underneath it. And I just wanted you to try and retell, try and retell one of the stories that you had to do with the way that people who are practicing on patients can sometimes have a, they can have a bad time due to, due to the way that the patients are feeling. Yeah, I just wanted, I wanted to hear that, because I was fascinated by that.

• 55:34Speaker 01

  Sure, I mean, look at, uh, you walk into a room, somebody walks into a room, they're really angry, you can feel it. You know, sometimes it's like that, like a friend walks in or or a wife or girlfriend walks in the room, you did something wrong, you feel it. So, energy is transferred and energy is transferred and collected. And there's like, there's just, there's so much science to prove that's true to even acknowledge, to say that it doesn't, is, it's not right anymore. And, and so what happens is the body collects and holds on to the energy from people. And so what we've done is we, we use a lot of techniques, but we just don't say the things. They say crystals on the table, I showed you that. That's a little trade secret. We use quartz crystals organized around a table in a very specific fashion to create a net result.

• 56:19Speaker 01

  And one of them is decompression. And decompression and what causes compression is trauma or torque, same thing. So what we do is, uh, as we started putting the crystals on the tables, the client's treatment uh, would speed up by twice. And the practitioners could do three to five times more work without feeling the fatigue they would normally feel. Um, and it's basically, again, it's just using something that doesn't sound like it's credible. So we just don't make a big deal out of it. We just do it because it works.

• 56:49Chris Williamson?

  That's interesting. I think there's definitely an implication, no matter whether you think that the solution is quartz crystals on a bed or mindfulness practice or sitting with your thoughts or yoga or anything. I think that there is definitely an implication for healthcare professionals that by one system or another, whether it's socially, psychologically, as you're discussing the mechanism that this particular energy works on. I do think that it is, um, it's an important, uh, an important thing for them to keep in mind that they are dealing with people that are sick and unwell all the time.

• 57:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely. And there, and there's, there's a lot of stuff that goes along with that. I mean, I used to get sick going home and I wasn't like. I didn't put hands on people until just a little under 10 years ago. And, and I, I didn't, wasn't prepared for what would happen when you have, when you're working with sick and frustrated and people that have through horrible abuses and sexual abuse and physical abuse and all kinds of injuries and stuff like that. That stuff is, it's pretty thick and pretty heavy and having a mechanism to clear it is really important. If you're a practitioner and you don't have a daily routine or routine to clear that stuff, eventually it adds up and what we're doing is we still see practitioners who have been 20, 25, 30 years working with people like that and we're cleaning up that mess now.

• 58:10Speaker 01

  It's best that people, if you don't have a routine, to learn one and a lot of the stuff that we use, Chris, over the next, between now and Q1 next year, we'll be publishing a lot of it.

• 58:21Chris Williamson?

  I was literally, I was literally just, I was literally just about to say, so obviously you're talking about the, the home therapy that you'd be doing, which is typically more for patients. For practitioners, will there be any resources that they'll be able to tap into, which will assist them?

• 58:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, a couple of things, again, if it's, if it works at home, it usually works in our practitioner environment. So, so yeah, how we organize crystals around the table and different effects, including decompression, charging, the body energized for both male and females. There's also, for the first time ever in the history of the garage, we're going to be doing outward certifications, starting in about three months and we're going to be training our, training torque mechanics and our intention is to use torque mechanics work really well with chiropractic offices. Because the body often, the spine, when it's been torqued for a long time, it gets untorqued. It needs to be, it needs to be adjusted.

• 59:15Speaker 01

  And so we're going to be certifying torque mechanics out because the one thing that we have is we have people from all over the world trying to get in. The one thing that we're short on is people to deliver care. So we're going to take the care on the road and instead of just trying to build a bunch of human garages, we're just going to start training people how to, how to help people as quick as we can.

• 59:34Chris Williamson?

  You'd mentioned that before. Is that going to be franchising or a licensing or how's that going to work?

• 59:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, so the general mode is that people that are registered torque mechanics will get leads from us because we have a plethora of leads coming in.

• 59:50Chris Williamson?

  I was gonna say, you're not gonna be short on lead generation, right?

• 59:54Speaker 01

  No, no, that's not gonna be a problem. As a matter of fact, that's part of the reason why we took down our website years ago. It's just that you have to have some sort of control of the flow. And now we want to open it up and give people, like literally, if you're a chiropractor out there and you want to do this work, you'll be able to do portions of this work by having two torque mechanics work with you. And what our chiropractors will tell you is that they have a 75% reduction of force in the adjustment, and the adjustment lasts three to five times longer when you take the torque out of the body.

• 1:00:25Chris Williamson?

  Wow, well, I mean, you know, I think over the coming weeks and coming months, I'll definitely be posting a lot more of your stuff. I think there'll be a lot of people that will be interested in it. Can you tell the listeners at home, there will be some people that I know that are listening in LA and not too far from you. Can you tell them where they can find you first online and then where the practice is?

• 1:00:46Speaker 01

  Sure, yeah, we're in Marina Del Rey on Beach Avenue, right down in the heart of Venice and Marina Del Rey. You can get us at humangarage.net. And if they are coming in off your podcast, if they put your name in the referral bar, they're not gonna get in right away, but they're gonna jump to the head of the line. We take care of our clients, the referrals, our media partners first and their referrals, and then we go off to everybody else after that. So if they put your name into our waitlist, what we'll do is we'll move them to the front of the waitlist.

• 1:01:19Chris Williamson?

  That's fantastic, thank you, I really appreciate that, Gary. So if you're listening at home, Modern Wisdom, when you do your referral or quote Chris Williamson yourself, I wanted to say as well, Gary, I've actually got the guys behind Essential Oil coming on soon, Essential Oil Wizardry.

• 1:01:36Speaker 01

  Dr. Nick, man, he is my favorite. Dr. Nick is a special human being. And there are no, there are no oils anywhere in the world like his. We have searched the entire world and that's why we partnered with essential oil.

• 1:01:48Chris Williamson?

  I know. So I, I heard him on Ben Greenfield and I really wanted to get ahold of him after I'd, after I'd listened to him. It's another, you know, from a similar kind of school as yourselves, it's, it's the sort of thing which does sound contrary and it sounds different. But, you know, bottom line results, results are interesting and I think it's worthy of further investigation.

• 1:02:12Speaker 01

  Well, the, the British Medical Journal was the first one, I think, to report on two things. We should, you know, because we, we, we listen to allopathic, but British Medicine Journal reported on MRSA. Seven, seven clients who used manuka honey and terminal, terminal clients for MRSA. And he used manuka honey to clear it. And the other part too is, is the, other than the American Medical Journal, they have lots of references to essential oils frequency. That there's not a bacteria in the world that is resistant to essential oils. So that's one you can, you know, you can put in your back pocket.

• 1:02:52Chris Williamson?

  Those are some unbelievable sort of stats there. That's the British Medical Journal talking about manuka honey and bacteria resistance to aromatherapy oils, right?

• 1:03:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, it's, it's pretty incredible. They had seven patients that had lesions. They were going to die from MRSA. And at this point, they got nothing left. They try whatever. So they used manuka honey. All seven of them lived and there's a whole bunch of things like that coming. Just watch over the next couple of years. What we think is what we've been told and what we think about how the body works, just not that way. And I just encourage people to have an open mind and just investigate a little bit more and keep asking the question, why?

• 1:03:31Chris Williamson?

  I was going to say, do you, do you feel like this is the beginning of the crest of a wave towards a new direction for wellness? And for the way that the medical world looks at fixing people?

• 1:03:44Speaker 01

  Absolutely. We are on the, we are on the forefront. We're, we are, we are breaking. New science, new frontiers, every single day here. And if we're doing it here, there's other people doing it all over the world. We just don't know about them yet. Maybe we're in a better spot. We get a bit more media here. But whoever you are out there, if you're actually changing the world and doing things that are going to actually benefit the world, just keep doing it and don't listen to people.

• 1:04:08Chris Williamson?

  Well, hopefully we'll have contacted some of them and they'll have a kindred spirit with yourself on the other side of the internet. So Gary, I really appreciate your time. I loved my time when I came out to come and see you. I'm hopefully going to be back in LA not very soon and I can't wait to come back and see you again.

• 1:04:22Speaker 01

  For sure, absolutely, Chris.

• 1:04:24Chris Williamson?

  It's been a blast. Thank you, man.

• 1:04:26Speaker 01

  Thank you. Take care.

• 1:04:27Chris Williamson?

  Bye bye.

• 1:04:28Speaker 01

  Bye bye.