Part Two: Quantum Science Expert Explains How Your Thoughts Control Your Future, How to Erase Your Fears & Change Your Life

In part two of our interview with physicist & consciousness researcher Thomas Campbell, author of My Big T. O. E. (Theory of Everything), we're going beyond simulation & virtual reality theory and diving deep into practical meditation tips (especially for beginners and those who struggle with the practice), the surprising power of music & binaural beats, and how we can actually manifest our deepest fears. Campbell reveals the science behind neural retraining, why negativity feeds on itself, and the mind-blowing quantum mechanics proof of past lives and reincarnation. He also shares his thoughts on using drugs to unlock transcendental experiences and why most people struggle with decision-making. Don’t miss these life-changing insights on how to fundamentally transform who you are! Thomas Campbell's My Big TOE trilogy, Exploring Consciousness and Everything Paranormal, and his audio files: https://www.my-big-toe.com/shop/mbt-product-overview/ BialikBreakdown.com https://www.bialikbreakdown.com/ YouTube.com/mayimbialik https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTOocPnDh2YQZZwh86K2OxA Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Mayim Bialik?

  Is past lives a thing?

• 0:02Speaker 01

  Basically, it's a wake-up call and it just says, "Reality is more complicated than you thought."

• 0:08Mayim Bialik?

  What is a reactivation of trauma? When people feel triggered?

• 0:13Speaker 01

  It's just fear.

• 0:15Mayim Bialik?

  So here's the question everybody wants to know. How do you change who you are?

• 0:19Speaker 01

  There is a deep thing inside of you that says, "I want to be different. I want to not be reactive, not get angry, not get upset, not even get stressed."

• 0:33Jonathan Cohen?

  This is maybe one of the most important clarifications in terms of extrasensory perception that I think is out there.

• 0:40Speaker 01

  Learning paranormal things is an exercise that you go through to help develop your intuitive side. But that intuitive side opens you up to becoming love, opens you up to more information, more choices, a bigger decision space. And suddenly, you see yourself as a part of something a whole lot bigger than you. Logic requires a lot of information. Mostly, you don't have that much information. I tend to live my life out of my intuition. When I sit down and let's say I meet you two, I walk in, I meet you two. Well, I immediately get information about both of you.

• 1:14Mayim Bialik?

  What'd you see?

• 1:26Mayim Bialik?

  Welcome back to our Breakdown. Today is part two with Thomas Campbell, physicist and author of My Big Toe, his Theory of Everything. If you haven't heard the first episode, you cannot listen to the second one without going back and hearing the first.

• 1:41Jonathan Cohen?

  I mean, you could.

• 1:41Mayim Bialik?

  You could.

• 1:42Jonathan Cohen?

  You could listen.

• 1:43Mayim Bialik?

  You could.

• 1:43Jonathan Cohen?

  It holds up on its own, but there is so much good information in part one.

• 1:47Mayim Bialik?

  Yes, we're going to be talking today about meditation, practical meditation tips, why binaural beats, and a certain particular frequency can help you get into meditation. We're also going to talk about trauma, fear, the intellectual processing we do that can take the place of the intuitive sense that we need to live in. We're also going to talk about some paranormal stuff. ...lives and also ways to sort of approach your life with an opening of understanding. There's an infinite number of possibilities that you've already lived and that you could live and you get to experience the data of them all.

• 2:24Jonathan Cohen?

  One of the best explanations for how fear actually creates the thing that we're afraid of. I'm wildly excited to dive into the second part of this episode.

• 2:34Mayim Bialik?

  Without further ado, here is Thomas Campbell back at the Breakdown. Break it down. So some of the movement that we've seen and you've seen it in your lifetime and you know, we're seeing kind of a resurgence of it is a strong emphasis on transcendental experiences. And in many cases, people are using drugs to get there. And you know, Timothy Leary had an entire platform, you know, about this. The notion that, you know, people who have an advanced consciousness, people who are in touch with something greater than themselves, people who have an experience of God is love, or that we're all one, right?

• 3:15Mayim Bialik?

  Which, you know, there are drugs that can induce these states, as it were. For some people, that is a pathway there. What's your sort of interpretation in terms of using that as a tool to access this consciousness?

• 3:30Speaker 01

  I think it's the wrong way to go. I think it's not, it may be helpful around the edges, but it's not the main course. Okay. And the reason I say that is that everything that the drugs allow a person to do, you can do without the drugs. None of those require drugs. Now, if you learn to do that on your own, you understand what you get. You know what you get. You're a part of what you're connecting to. You understand all the connections. When you get blasted into the non-physical, you know, with a drug

• 4:11Speaker 01

  rocket, ah, you know, and then you crash on the other side. Oh, geez, that was awesome. That was beautiful colors and this and that. And I was one with everything. And yeah, that was really great. But that doesn't help you grow up any. It doesn't really help you grow up any. You're still the same person. Now, okay, your beliefs have changed. Beliefs aren't the thing. You have to change who you are. You have to become... Kinder, it's not that you act kind. Now, maybe that'll get a lot of people to act better. Oh, yeah, I say, you know, it's all about love. Okay, I'll act better. See that little old lady, I'll help her across the street. That's not the point. It's not acting kind that's valuable.

• 4:54Speaker 01

  It's being kind that's valuable. And that only happens if you change who you are. Taking a drug doesn't help you change who you are. It may give you a bigger picture, but it's a bigger picture that you can believe in, but it's not really your experience. You don't own it. It's, you don't learn from it like you learn from it when you do it organically yourself. So you have to make changes in order to do those things. And it's a changing process, like all the paranormal things. The paranormal things aren't important in and of themselves. And anybody who does paranormal things eventually grows out of it. You don't do it anymore. You quit, you stop with it because you realize everything is just the way it's supposed to be. It's a process.

• 5:38Speaker 01

  Learning paranormal things is a exercise that you go through to help develop your intuitive side. But that intuitive side opens you up to becoming love, opens you up to more information, more choices, a bigger decision space. And suddenly you see yourself as a part of something a whole lot bigger than you. And this something is intelligent, is aware, is real, and you can connect to it. But if you don't develop that intuitive side, then it's all theory. Oh, yes, I should do this. I should pray six times a day. I should, whatever, it's just, it's, it's going through the motions. And you get blown up on a, on a drug rocket, and it's the same thing.

• 6:22Speaker 01

  You're, you're taking the pill, but you're not really owning the experience. You're just having the experience. So it's like going on a roller coaster and you go, wow, that was great, let's do it again. But it doesn't really change who you are. It's a, it's a peak experience in your life. If you'll always remember that roller coaster with its ten flips, but it didn't really change you any. So that's the way drug is. It doesn't really change people. And I've noticed that it does something that's That's not so good with people. It makes them feel like they're more spiritual and they have a deeper understanding. Oh, I've shook the hand of God and I've been there. And I felt I was one with all existence and yeah, I got that now. I'm so much better off.

• 7:04Speaker 01

  And they start thinking that they've gained spiritually because of their experience. And experience does not cause you to be spiritual. That has to be changing who you are at a fundamental level.

• 7:17Mayim Bialik?

  So here's the question everybody wants to know. How do you change who you are?

• 7:22Speaker 01

  Well, there are some processes that help. But the main thing is, is that you have to really want to. Now, a lot of people say, oh yeah, I'd love to grow up and I'd love to change. I'll help the little old lady across the street. But again, they're working out of their intellect. They're trying to be grown up. Okay, it's like 12 year olds, right? And they're really trying real hard to be grown up. But they're not grown up. They have to change who they are to grow up. Well, it's the same way. So the most important thing is that you really want to. And that sounds pretty easy, but it isn't.

• 8:03Speaker 01

  To really want to means that there is a deep thing inside of you that says, I want to be different. I want to not be reactive, not get angry, not get upset, not even get stressed. I want to not, if somebody insults me, I want to not fight back. I want to not do any of those things. I just want to be love and caring for people. And if somebody's rude to me, well, gee, maybe I can help them see it from, from a different perspective, rather than reacting to it and getting angry. I need to get rid of my ego. I need to get rid of my beliefs. I need to get rid of my fear. And if you really want to do it, then it'll happen.

• 8:46Speaker 01

  Because your intent will modify future probability and you will become it. But you have to want to do it seriously. Now, if all you want to do is look better. Then it won't help. You can do all those things, but it's not about doing, it's about being. And being can only be done if you have a real, serious desire to change who you are. You see yourself as the problem. You take responsibility for who you are. You can't say, "Oh, George made me angry. He made me so angry." Well, George didn't make you angry. You chose to be angry. There was some fear in you that when George said that, it triggered that fear. And you come up and you're angry. Take responsibility for it. Don't blame George.

• 9:30Speaker 01

  So when you're, when you take responsibility for who you are, take responsibility for your fear and your ego, and you want to change, you will. Because you will automatically do those things you need to do to change. You'll start looking, say, "What are my fears? You know, what is it that triggers me? Why do I get upset? Why do I feel stressed?" And you'll find it. And you'll say, "Oh, okay, um, I feel kind of insignificant. I feel like I'm not really doing up to my ability. I feel I haven't helped enough people, or I'm feeling insecure." And because of that insecurity, somebody mentions something about me doing something wrong, I get angry because it triggers that insecurity that I have. So now, I'm gonna have to work on that.

• 10:15Speaker 01

  When somebody tells me I'm doing something wrong, I'm going to not react that way. And I'm going to not be that way. But the first step is not reacting that way. Step one, intellectual. You gotta do that first, because you have to be aware of it. Beware of the changes you need to make. That's intellect. But then, you have to actually be them. Not just pretend, and not just act, but be them. And if you really want to do it, you'll change. You'll just start changing, and those fears will start to fall away, and you'll feel lighter. You'll feel better. Your stress levels will go down, and you'll be healthier. And instead of eating a box of chocolates, you'll want to eat, you know, a box of spinach. Because your body just is telling you that's what

• 11:00Mayim Bialik?

  Your metabol- I mean, your metabolic needs and your physiology actually does change

• 11:05Speaker 01

  It does change from those things, yes. And your, your whole interest in what you want to do and what you spend your time doing, you know, will change. But it changes from the inside out as you, as you grow. And once you start, you don't notice it at first. But the way you see whether you're growing or not is two things. One, you look back. Say, where was I, you know, the last five years? How, how am I, am I the same way? And if you're the same way, then you haven't been growing. Usually, people looking back of, wow, I was like that. Yeah, I remember that. You know, I'd get angry, I'd get upset. I was always crosswise with my coworkers and now I'm not. So you'll see it looking back. As it happens, you hardly notice, because it happens just in little tiny increments every day.

• 11:54Mayim Bialik?

  So, one of the things, though, and most people need a little more help. They need a little structure. They need a little support.

• 12:04Mayim Bialik?

  The, the way you describe, you know, getting in touch with consciousness, it makes sense that a program to develop your consciousness should naturally start with finding and becoming acquainted with that consciousness.

• 12:16Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 12:16Mayim Bialik?

  So, one of the things you talk about is meditation is almost universally prescribed as the first step, the doorway to understanding and exploring consciousness, as well as to the attainment of spiritual growth. So, you happened upon meditation and, kind of by accident, you were introduced to Transcendental Meditation.

• 12:38Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 12:39Mayim Bialik?

  Which, here in Los Angeles, is a, a very, very big business. You pay a lot of money to get your mantra. And I was actually inspired, because last night, and you have, it's, it's a, a really,

• 12:54Mayim Bialik?

  What I love about your book is you start out by saying, "I'm gonna take a lot of digressions," but you indicate them very clearly and I appreciate that. So that you always get back to the point, but you take a huge, and I don't wanna call it a digression, you take us on a huge field trip into understanding one of the most basic ways and the way that you, literally on your first experience, were introduced to an ability to examine your own consciousness. And I was inspired, and last night,

• 13:27Mayim Bialik?

  you know, I was always hung up on like, "You gotta go get a mantra and you gotta pay the money and the thing, and you have to like, commit to four sessions and they keep texting you and like, it's like a, it feels strange." And so, you literally were like, "Here's some options of mantras." "Find one." So I picked one. And I, um, and I did it. I set a timer for 20 minutes. And, um...

• 13:52Jonathan Cohen?

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• 17:21Speaker 01

  You talked a little earlier about having dropped into your childhood and had an experience. And that would fall under the category of out of body. Now, let's talk a little bit about out of body. What does that mean? Okay. What you're doing- O O B, you call it? Yeah, U B. Yes. Right. That's a terrible name, because you're not in your body.

• 17:46Speaker 01

  You don't, you're not a spirit that lives inside your body. That's old think from probably the 1800s. But you are a piece of consciousness, so you're already in your consciousness. Right. And your body's just a computed thing. So, out of body means that you have turned off all of your sense data. It's just that simple. So, you no longer are seeing, hearing, feeling, smelling, tasting. Now, that doesn't mean that you can't say hear. If the phone rings, you'll hear it. But you don't process it. Oh, the phone's ringing. Well, if you're expecting a really important call, then you'll get up and go answer it.

• 18:31Speaker 01

  But if it's just the phone ringing and you're not expecting anything, you just let it ring till it stops. If you want to, you can think about, oh, I'm sitting, can I feel the chair? Yes, you can feel the chair underneath of you, but you're not processing it. You get in the same state when you're reading a good book. When you sit down and read a good book and you're into that book, if somebody walks by behind your chair, you don't notice it. Even if somebody talks to you, you may not notice it unless they are loud or come up and touch you. You're in that space with that book. Now, getting into that deep meditation state is doing the same thing without a book.

• 19:13Speaker 01

  You just don't have the book, but you're in that same state where you are no longer processing your sense data. You can process it. If it's something intrusive, you'll notice it. But in general, you're not processing it. You're not feeling the beds. You're not feeling, you know, you're not hearing the traffic outside. You just shut all that off. And that is your, what I call the, the point consciousness state. That's the state that I said, when you shut all your, all your sense data off, you're just a point of consciousness, floating in a black void. See nothing, hear nothing, whatever. Now that's like the launch point. That's the launch pad, when you can do that.

• 19:55Mayim Bialik?

  And sometimes you get that, like, I've had that literally for like, not even a second. And then it's gone.

• 20:00Speaker 01

  And then it's gone.

• 20:01Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 20:02Speaker 01

  With practice, you can get there longer. Now, there is another method you can use, besides meditation. A lot of people have trouble with meditation. Particularly people that have, you know, attention deficit disorder. Meditation is a real hard thing because their mind's just buzzing around all the time. So it's just letting go of the physical world. That's the key. You just let go of it.

• 20:26Mayim Bialik?

  But it takes practice. You shouldn't assume that if you do it once, you're not the kind of person that can do it. It's like a muscle. It needs to be exercised.

• 20:33Speaker 01

  Exactly. You get better at it, the longer you do it. Now, there are some aids that'll help. One of them is binaural beats. I've designed a, a whole set of binaural beats. It's like thirty different binaural beats with different bass frequencies and, so anyway, and I've done that on my, about forty years of dealing with people, teaching them how to do paranormal things, putting them in the state. So I've done that, and over the years-

• 21:03Mayim Bialik?

  Can you explain what binaural beats are?

• 21:04Speaker 01

  Yeah. A binaural beat is a, you put two pure tones, one in each ear.

• 21:10Mayim Bialik?

  It's an auditory stimulus.

• 21:11Speaker 01

  It's an auditory stimulus. So pure tone number one, let's say a hundred hertz, goes in this ear. Another, let's say a hundred and four hertz, goes in that ear. Now, they go through the, the pathways of oral, you know- You're a neuro girl.

• 21:26Mayim Bialik?

  Yep.

• 21:27Speaker 01

  They go through the pathways. They get to the corpus callosum, which is the membrane between the two hemispheres, and they meet there. And when they meet there, they actually create a beat frequency. When you have a hundred and a hundred and four, if you just mix those, say I had a speaker here and a speaker here, hundred and a hundred and four, you'd hear a four hertz beat.

• 21:47Mayim Bialik?

  You're hearing the difference.

• 21:48Speaker 01

  You're hearing the difference between the two frequencies. And a four hertz beat would be like

• 21:55Speaker 01

  that's one, two, three, four, one, two, three, four, one, two, three, four. Every second, you get a count of four. That's four hertz. That's what hertz means is per second. Okay, so I didn't mean that to you. I meant that to your audience.

• 22:07Mayim Bialik?

  No, it just made me happy because I'm a musician. And so when I also like teach music to my kids, you know, he's like, well, what is four four? And I'm like, if you want to get metaphysical, it's, you know.

• 22:16Speaker 01

  So anyway, you hear these, you actually hear these beats.

• 22:20Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 22:20Speaker 01

  Not through your normal hearing, but they're actually beating at the corpus callosum where the

• 22:26Mayim Bialik?

  The integration.

• 22:27Speaker 01

  Where the integration. And it's not going through bone conduction or anything else.

• 22:31Mayim Bialik?

  No, no, it's a set of fibers.

• 22:32Speaker 01

  They've done enough, yeah, they've done enough research on it that it's really beating inside the brain.

• 22:37Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 22:37Speaker 01

  And this has been found just through experimentation.

• 22:40Mayim Bialik?

  And by beating, sorry, just neuroscientist. By beating, you're talking about the integration of the

• 22:46Speaker 01

  Two sounds.

• 22:46Mayim Bialik?

  Electrical inform, right, but it's the electrical information that's coming into a set of cells.

• 22:51Speaker 01

  Right.

• 22:52Mayim Bialik?

  That are perceiving this is happening by opening sodium channels. Like it's a whole thing happening that allows you to perceive a beat.

• 23:00Speaker 01

  A beat.

• 23:01Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 23:01Speaker 01

  Of four hertz.

• 23:02Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 23:03Speaker 01

  With a hundred and a hundred and four. If it's a hundred and a hundred and ten, you'll hear a ten hertz beat. So they have found that this entrains brainwave activity. So if your brainwave activity is usually like this, it's going all over, all different kinds of frequencies coming and going, depending what's in your mind. And what happens is then it'll start to migrate down to four hertz. So more of your energy starts to go to four hertz. That's what they mean by entraining the brainwave. Four hertz is the

• 23:34Speaker 01

  Basic thing you get with somebody is it's the EEG you get with somebody who's a longtime meditator. So you get a monk out of the, out of his

• 23:43Mayim Bialik?

  And they've done these studies.

• 23:44Speaker 01

  Out of his cell and put an EEG on him and let him meditate and you'll see that his energy migrates to around four hertz. Okay, in that vicinity, it could be 3.85 or something.

• 23:57Mayim Bialik?

  And so you're, you're picking this up as electrical impulses that, that can be picked up off the scalp for an EEG?

• 24:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, right. EEG just on your head. So that idea that you can drive the brainwaves into a similar state that somebody who's been meditating for 10 years achieves, well, as it turns out, that really helps. If you put these binaural beats on and you listen to them, you will find that getting into the meditation state and holding it is much easier.

• 24:29Mayim Bialik?

  Are you following the beats? Like, are you listening to them?

• 24:35Speaker 01

  No, no, it's not listening to them. They just, they just work whether you listen to them or not.

• 24:39Mayim Bialik?

  Great. It's a passive experience.

• 24:40Speaker 01

  It's a passive experience, yeah. Matter of fact, if you follow the beats, that will be your intellect and it will be getting in the way, making the thing not work very well.

• 24:49Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 24:50Speaker 01

  You need to just let it be, let it go. Now, my beats are, are very complex in the sense that I don't keep the beat frequency the same. I move it around different things for different reasons. I make it run up very, for a very short time, like 30 seconds, I'll run it up to a, a low alpha, just to wake people up because a lot of people will lose consciousness when you do this. And so I wake them up every so often and then I drop them actually down into the delta for about two and a half seconds, three seconds, kind of drag them down a little bit and then I'll go back up to four and then I'll go back up to a, to a, I think I go up to like a, an eight and then back to the four and then

• 25:34Speaker 01

  maybe back to the, to the two.

• 25:37Mayim Bialik?

  So what's the four? Cause there's data, there's theta, there's...

• 25:41Speaker 01

  Four is around theta.

• 25:42Mayim Bialik?

  Great.

• 25:43Speaker 01

  That's a theta state.

• 25:44Mayim Bialik?

  Yep.

• 25:44Speaker 01

  So anyhow, so these are the binaural beats. And I've have, you know, I sell them at my website, but and I don't sell very much. I'm not really trying to make money. I'm trying to spread the ideas. So, you know, you can buy one for, I don't know, $10 or $15 or something. You buy a whole set of them for $25. But anyway, so the binaural beats help as a training aid. Now, like all training aids, you eventually need to take, you know, the, the, what do you call it? The training wheels off the bike. The training wheels will help you ride a bike because they'll keep you from falling over and then scaring you and not wanting to get back on.

• 26:24Mayim Bialik?

  But they don't drive the bike.

• 26:25Speaker 01

  But they, but if you really want to be good at a bicycle, you can't be good on a bicycle with training wheels attached to the back of it because you won't be able to lean it and turn. And there's things you can't do with them on. This is the same, this is the same with the binaural beats. They will help the novice who isn't good at meditating to get there and stay there. Because these binaural beats that you listen to will last for, say, 50 minutes. So for 50 minutes, you're locked in to that state if you just let them run in your mind. And it will, it will work real well for most people.

• 26:59Mayim Bialik?

  Hypnosis is also dropping people into theta, correct?

• 27:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, because it drops them out of their intellect.

• 27:04Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 27:05Speaker 01

  Anything that drops you out of your intellect is going to be good.

• 27:08Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  So the intellect crashes the intuitive mind. Now, eventually, we're just changing the subject one after another, but eventually you learn that the intuitive mind and the intellectual mind work together and they become good friends. And the intuitive mind says, oops, I need a little logic for this and passes it over there. And the intellect says, I need some information for this. And it gets to the intuitive mind to go get the information and they work together as a team. But most people, like in our culture, we hone our intellectual capacity and we work on it, we work on it our whole lives. The intuitive side, we just let, lie there. We don't use it. So it's way out of balance.

• 27:51Speaker 01

  They don't work as a team. The intellectual mind works as a bully. And the intuitive mind tries to do something, the intellectual mind jumps in and says, let me take care of that. Oh, you just heard your dead grandfather say something? Nah, that probably wasn't that. That was just your imagination. That's what your intellect tells you. And it just crashes the process. So that's why it's so important to get that intellect to sit down and be quiet enough to let your intellect go. And that, I mean, let your intuitive side go. And that intellect wants the boss, wants to judge, wants to tell you what you're doing right or doing wrong. And people tend to jump into their intellect all the time. Oh, I've been meditating. Am I doing it right? Does this feel right?

• 28:35Speaker 01

  And so, I don't know, straight off your original question?

• 28:40Jonathan Cohen?

  No, the phrase, it's just my imagination.

• 28:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:46Jonathan Cohen?

  Is one of the most painful phrases to me.

• 28:49Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 28:49Jonathan Cohen?

  Because is our imagination not the microscope or magnifying glass by which we look around this data field that exists to examine what's around us and what's possible?

• 29:04Speaker 01

  I told you there was another way other than meditation. That other way is through your imagination. You can skip meditation entirely and work with your imagination.

• 29:14Mayim Bialik?

  But then you're just making things up.

• 29:16Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 29:17Jonathan Cohen?

  Yes, thank you.

• 29:18Speaker 01

  You're not making things up. And here's the difference. There's, your imagination isn't the goal, isn't the endpoint. Your imagination is just the launchpad. I have a thing that I made up. I called Tom's Park. And Tom's Park is for those people who have trouble meditating, that just can't get there through meditation. In Tom's Park, what you do is you imagine. And the trick is, you imagine.

• 29:46Speaker 01

  Some story. And the story is better if it's full of, you see things, you hear things, you smell things, you touch things. It's got all your senses going and it's very engaging.

• 29:59Mayim Bialik?

  Yep.

• 29:59Speaker 01

  That's the kind of things you have to imagine. You're not just imagining sitting on a toadstool. You know, you have to imagine something that's very engaging. Now, that imagination, if you, if you just get so absorbed in it, what will happen is that you will actually stop making it up and the story will take off on its own. So you're imagining that you're swimming laps and you're driving a jet ski or whatever it is you're doing there. And as you get into it, you realize that you're not making it up anymore. You're having a conversation with a horse and you're not.

• 30:41Jonathan Cohen?

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• 33:54Speaker 01

  But making up both parts. You're actually talking to a horse, then the horse is talking to you, and this is in your imagination. Well, what happens is, and I've kind of made an arrangement with the larger conscious system to support the Tom's Park thing. And you get there and you start, okay? And now you imagine you're talking to the horse, and the horse says hello, or something that you imagine that a horse might say. But the more you get into it, then you're no longer making up all the parts. It just happens on your own, and you're actually having a conversation with your horse. And you're not putting words in horse mouth, because the horse is saying things that you would never have thought of saying. The horse starts to tell you about an emotional problem you have had, you know, since you were three years old.

• 34:41Speaker 01

  Well, you're not making that up, you know, and you you talk with it, and then-

• 34:45Mayim Bialik?

  It's an opening.

• 34:46Speaker 01

  It's an opening. So you you use your imagination until you let it go, and the larger conscious system will pick up to that story. You and the horse and whatever, and pick up from there and start giving you a data stream that picks up on that. And now, you're the same place you were if you meditated. You're getting a data stream from the larger conscious system, you're humming along in what we call an out of body. And it's just as valid an out of body as if you went through the meditation process.

• 35:16Mayim Bialik?

  So, and this is, you know, the, this is the, it's it's an imagination theory, right? In psychology, where you take, you you take something that starts as imagination, and it is showing you a window into your your actual consciousness, meaning not just what you're consciously aware of. But it could be, and and I don't mean to intellectualize it, but I'm going to. You know, it could be, these are the-

• 35:45Speaker 01

  We intellectuals can't help that.

• 35:47Mayim Bialik?

  Right, but it's like, these are the things that, you know, these are the unconscious processes that are going on, which in a simulation theory kind of language, that's the, that's the program has been written. And you're simply tapping into the program.

• 36:03Speaker 01

  Right. Now, take one step more beyond that.

• 36:07Speaker 01

  And say that you're a piece of consciousness.

• 36:10Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 36:10Speaker 01

  And you're getting a data stream from the larger consciousness system. The system is interested in you growing up. The system is interested in you changing.

• 36:18Mayim Bialik?

  It wants my highest good.

• 36:20Speaker 01

  Becoming love. And it's going to feed you a data stream there. It's not just you wandering through your unconscious memories and things.

• 36:29Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 36:29Speaker 01

  You're actually getting a data stream from the LCS, larger conscious system, that is taking you through an interaction, an experience. And you're going to learn from that experience something important. This horse is going to tell you something you really need to know. You see, it's not just you wandering around in the unaware parts of your mind. You make a connection, just like you would out of body, just like you would in meditation. And that connection is entirely real and effective. And why does the LCS do that? Well, as you lower your entropy, the system's entropy lowers. So it's all in its own self-interest to help you.

• 37:09Jonathan Cohen?

  I want to reiterate that point because it didn't totally land for me. And I was like, listening, trying to like feel and sort of sort that out. But what I'm hearing is if I make something up, which I don't ever believe I'm making anything up. If I go through this creative.

• 37:23Mayim Bialik?

  Part of our problem.

• 37:25Jonathan Cohen?

  If I go through this creative imagination exercise, and it's true. Mime's problem with me is that I go off into these, what could this be? And then, of course, some of that has to be brought back and say, what is the tangible reality? And we can't do absolutely everything in the physical realm. I can incorporate a lot of it, you know? Like, there's a cost, for example, of redoing all the lighting in the studio or moving things or other practical implications of some of this creative imagination. But if I go and do an exercise like this, what I heard you say is that I'm going to learn something. It may not be that we do the lighting or... But some part of that experience will teach me something that lowers my entropy,

• 38:09Jonathan Cohen?

  that increases my overall well-being.

• 38:13Jonathan Cohen?

  In some fashion or other, that will also benefit the system. So it's almost remove the end result and be more process engaged. Is that

• 38:23Speaker 01

  Exactly right.

• 38:24Mayim Bialik?

  Encouraging imagination.

• 38:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, the, the, you know, it may be just doing the process and just being aware of the process. Maybe what you're supposed to learn, not the stuff that actually comes in. You know, it's, it's sometimes it's not the thing you get. It's the process of doing it is what's really valuable.

• 38:43Jonathan Cohen?

  And I've actually seen, you know, we, we got a little note from one of our producers who's listening, who's like, well, the, what is the danger sometimes of doing something like this? And I can, and I have seen sort of the dark side of the wellness sort of alternative movement, where they disassociate from their real world problems or situations. And they're just lost in creative fantasy and they're not paying their bills and they're, don't know where they're gonna live. They're not thinking about how they're impacting one another. So let's Yeah.

• 39:17Speaker 01

  That's because they don't really understand what's going on and, and why it's going on. There's three separate sources that will give you information. Okay, you get an information stream, three possible sources of that. One source is the larger conscious system. That's typically how we get this reality. The other source is some other consciousness, because there's a conscious consciousness connection. And the third possibility is yourself.

• 39:47Speaker 01

  You can create, you are consciousness, you can create information. So

• 39:51Jonathan Cohen?

  Just summarizing, so there's the larger consciousness system. There's direct connection to another

• 39:57Mayim Bialik?

  Person's consciousness.

• 39:58Speaker 01

  And yourself.

• 39:59Jonathan Cohen?

  And yourself.

• 39:59Speaker 01

  So there, there's three different sources of this data stream. Now, they don't come with tags. This is you making it up. This is the larger conscious system. This is

• 40:09Mayim Bialik?

  It all feels the same.

• 40:10Speaker 01

  It all feels the same. There's no tags on it.

• 40:12Mayim Bialik?

  Just information.

• 40:13Speaker 01

  You cannot tell the difference between those.

• 40:16Jonathan Cohen?

  This is maybe one of the most important clarifications in terms of extrasensory perception that I think is out there.

• 40:23Speaker 01

  Okay, you, you get all three. They're just information. You can't tell the difference. Now, that means that, one, you have to be always skeptical of anything you get. It might be you that's creating this. That has to be a possibility. Now, it doesn't necessarily mean that what you're creating is a problem.

• 40:45Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 40:46Speaker 01

  You just, it could be coming from you. Now, if you happen to be full of fear, and you're full of ego, and you're full of beliefs, then there's a good chance that the stuff you get from you is garbage. And it's not gonna be helpful.

• 41:01Mayim Bialik?

  It's consistent. I'd like to say it's consistent.

• 41:03Speaker 01

  It's gonna probably move you to make poor choices.

• 41:07Mayim Bialik?

  Or the same choices.

• 41:09Speaker 01

  Which are generally poor choices.

• 41:11Mayim Bialik?

  It's getting a little personal there, right?

• 41:12Speaker 01

  Yeah. Okay. So, so you have to always have that in mind. And you have to always be in charge of yourself. You have to be responsible for your own free will. Now, if you go and you're in some sort of state, and God tells you to go shoot somebody, or go jump off a bridge, you have to think about that and say, "What is my, you know, what is my free will?" Think about that. And my free will says, "I don't think so." All right, then you follow what your free... You have to be responsible for yourself. You don't go shoot somebody because God tells you to do it. You see? Or God tells you that, you know, the way to heal is to eat nothing but spinach

• 41:57Speaker 01

  for the rest of your life, you know? Well, that's unbalanced, you know, that's not gonna work. So you have to always look at everything, and assess it, and then make your own choice about it. And that choice is informed by your memory, your sense of responsibility, you know, whether you are trying to control with power and force, or whether you're trying to become love. It's all part of how you make those choices. So that's, you never know for sure. And you never will know for sure. Now, with practice, you'll know.

• 42:32Speaker 01

  Pretty much, you'll get, no, they don't come with tags. So you can always be fooled. You'll never know a hundred percent. But you can know ninety-five percent because you've done it thousands of times. And you know what it feels like when you're talking to the larger conscious system. You know what it feels like to get data in. You know what it feels like to communicate mind to mind. And those things are different in the way you process them. They're different in the way they feel when you get them. So you do, you know, but you don't have a tag on it that says, I know for sure this didn't come from me. You can say, well, I'm ninety-nine point nine percent sure this didn't come from me. But you always leave that possibility, which means your own free will needs to make the choice.

• 43:16Jonathan Cohen?

  A lot of people who are very intuitive, who practice meditation for a long time, can easily say, I'm not sure if I'm afraid of something or I'm actually being shown not to do it. You know, there's sometimes when we try to make a step that is outside of the patterns that we're used to. You know, we we gravitate towards familiarity and pattern repetition. It's easy to be fooled without that experience. But with practice, it does become clearer where, you know, I I can think back when I was thinking about buying that house. Years ago, when I moved out and disconnected from the owner's energy,

• 43:56Jonathan Cohen?

  I could feel all of a sudden I was really hijacked by the messages that they wanted me to buy that house so badly. And while I wanted it, I was getting clear that I shouldn't buy it. But it wasn't until I removed myself from that entanglement that I didn't even realize how entangled I was, that I could get clarity on what my true messaging was.

• 44:21Speaker 01

  Absolutely. That is. You know, that's the way things work. You take responsibility for your choices. And you have to, very seldom will you ever have a one or a zero in the probability. This is absolutely true. This is absolutely false. You almost never get to that point. You don't have enough information to do that. You can say, I think this is probably, I'll give it a ninety. Or I think this is probably not right. I'll give it ten percent that that's true. And then as you get experience, you shuffle those percentages up or down or whatever way based on your new experience. But very seldom should you ever get a one.

• 45:00Speaker 01

  And you need to be aware of your own, you know, of your own issues, your own problems. So if you're somebody who really likes to please, that's just your personality. You just like to please, you know? If you're around people, you'll do things.

• 45:18Mayim Bialik?

  Oh, you don't have to define it for me. I know what a people pleaser is. You're looking at one.

• 45:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. If you like that, then you have to be aware of that.

• 45:25Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 45:26Speaker 01

  And if suddenly, you know, you get, oh, you have to buy this house. Well, you need to think, is that just me trying to please? Because this person really wants, you know, to sell it to me? Or not, which means the way you figure that out is what you did. You remove yourself.

• 45:40Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 45:41Speaker 01

  And now, do I still want to buy it that much? You know? Or you, you say, well, I'm gonna take a week where I'm not gonna think about it. I'm just not gonna think about it at all for a week. And then I'm gonna bring it back up and see if I feel the same. So you learn strategies for dealing with your own ego and fear.

• 45:58Mayim Bialik?

  It's knowing yourself on a very deep level.

• 46:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 46:01Mayim Bialik?

  I'm gonna say something about Jonathan that he may make us cut out of the episode.

• 46:04Jonathan Cohen?

  Probably.

• 46:07Mayim Bialik?

  He talks to the universe and he sometimes asks it, like, which, um, if he's looking at two protein powders, he asks which he should. I, this isn't like-

• 46:17Jonathan Cohen?

  But the protein powder example is not a good example.

• 46:20Mayim Bialik?

  But I, but I want him to, I want him to sort of speak to that because some people do have that kind of opening. It can energetically feel different. I'm not saying it's not a thing. I just want you to know what I'm living with.

• 46:31Jonathan Cohen?

  No. I use this tactic most often for much more, um-

• 46:38Jonathan Cohen?

  Specific decisions that are often beyond an intellectual understanding.

• 46:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 46:43Jonathan Cohen?

  Yes, I will actually try to feel food that may be beneficial for me or may not.

• 46:51Jonathan Cohen?

  I don't necessarily do it with protein powder. I have done it with protein powder. It's not that I've never done it with protein powder. But she actually has, there's a picture of me that maybe we'll post for this episode. Where we're in Ashland, Oregon. And I'm lying down and I have one hand over my heart and I have the other hand using it as a muscle testing device as a tool to sort of feel the resonance. And really what I'm trying to do is instead of seeing or hearing, I'm sort of using auditory feedback, but also using physical feedback to sort of gauge where a resonance is.

• 47:25Mayim Bialik?

  That was just should Mayim be in the same room as me right now or not?

• 47:28Jonathan Cohen?

  I don't remember what I, but she got, she has this picture of me and it's this nice picture. But what it does speak to is my belief that we can ask for different scenarios or decision making. And I believe that fundamentally developing our intuitive capability and receptivity is a core part of transforming how we make decisions in this world to navigate towards a life that has more ease, more joy, more happiness. Because when only using the intellect, we're limited by what we can know and so much of what our experience might ultimately be.

• 48:08Jonathan Cohen?

  There are many times where I've only used intellect and been seriously disappointed and then used extrasensory ability. And everything on the surface would have seemed like this would have been a great choice. And ultimately I was super glad that I made a different decision.

• 48:27Speaker 01

  Well, the thing that you have to be careful with. Is that you don't give up your free will to some other chooser. I knew a lady who had a little pendulum. And she'd hold it up, and if the pendulum went this way, it was a yes, went that way, it was a no. And she couldn't, you know.

• 48:48Jonathan Cohen?

  I know these people.

• 48:49Speaker 01

  She couldn't go to the bathroom unless she consulted the pendulum first. Her whole life was directed by this pendulum. And at that point, you're giving up your free will. And what will happen if you do that is that the system will make a correction. And your pendulum will tell you to take a long walk off a short pier. And when you've hit the water, that's the correction that says, make up your own mind. I'm not, you know, going to tell you how to live your life, the choices you have to make. You have to do that. That's why you're here. You make choices. You evolve and devolve according to your choices. Getting somebody else to make your choices for you is not a good idea.

• 49:31Speaker 01

  Make your own choices. Now, you want information that helps you make that choice? You want to get an idea, you know? Look at it, okay, what's the future probability, say, three years from now, if I make that choice? Five years from now, if I make that choice? And you can go do analysis. You can think about it. You can feel about it. But in the end, it's your choice to make. And if you get in the mindset that, well, I want to make the choice that they tell me. That's the wrong mindset. You have to say, gather information, now I'll make the choice. And it'll be my, you know, my choice.

• 50:07Jonathan Cohen?

  One hundred percent. My strategy is always, let me feel a possibility of something. Gather that information, integrate it back in, and then use a sort of a skeptical evaluation process. But taking that extrasensory data and then bringing that back as, as part of my decision strategy.

• 50:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, that is good. And I'll tell you, you know, about my own experience with that is that the more you grow up, the more you work out of your intuitive side. When I was just a brash, young, arrogant physicist, I worked entirely out of my intellect. I ran my life with my intellect. Everything went through my intellect. Now, probably eighty percent of my life is lived through my intuition. My intellect runs twenty percent. Because.

• 51:00Speaker 01

  Your intuition, if you develop it, can be more accurate and more reliable than your intellect. And the reason for that is your intellect has this wonderful tool called logic, but logic requires a lot of information. You can't be deductively logical without a whole lot of information to give you to, and therefore, mostly you don't have that much information. So you get to some point, and then you gotta jump, which is, you know, your intuition's making the jump, right? But if you do that from your intellect, make that jump, then it's a fifty-fifty, whether it's good or bad, because your intellect isn't good at making guesses like that. It's your intuition that's good at that.

• 51:44Speaker 01

  So I tend to live my life out of my intuition. So my intellect hops in when there's something that needs, you know, thinking, anal, analysis. Then it jumps in and does that. But when I sit down, and let's say I meet you two, I walk in, I meet you two. Well, I immediately get information about both of you. About who you are, how you feel, what you're, you know, what you're thinking about. When I was younger, I'd get it in my intellect, and then I'd process it. But mostly now I don't. I get it out of my, because see, I was living through my intellect. So I needed to get the information, use the intellect, use the information. It's not like that now. Now I live out of my intuition. So I don't actually get it at the intellectual level.

• 52:29Speaker 01

  I get it at the intuitive level. So then I know maybe places to go and places not to go. When I sit and talk with you, and things that, you know, I get a feel for your energy, where you're coming from, and I get all of that in the first three seconds that, you know, as I walk in the door, that just comes because my mind, it's not that I have to look at you to get it. It doesn't have anything to do with your body. I could be a thousand miles away, makes no difference. But when I come here and I walk in, then suddenly I'm a part of a thing that's going to take place.

• 53:00Mayim Bialik?

  I gave birth in that front room, I wonder if you could sense that.

• 53:06Mayim Bialik?

  Well, I think about the vibes of a house, though, right? When you walk into a house, you sometimes can tell, like, ooh, something doesn't feel right.

• 53:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, sure. But it's the house, it's the people. I mean, it's everything. And my intellect no longer sorts it out. Oh, this person's dressed. This person's wearing a ball cap. What does that mean? You know, it doesn't do any of that stuff. It's just...

• 53:27Jonathan Cohen?

  My head is very shiny on camera.

• 53:29Speaker 01

  It just, my intuition picks it up. And then I interact mostly with my intuition, not with my intellect. So it just takes care of itself and I don't really bother. So when I get to the store and I got two kinds of protein or something I'm looking at, and my hand just goes and gets one of them. And that's okay. I'm all right with that. It happens to be the wrong one, oh, that's okay. I'll be okay with that, too. So basically, if you don't have any expectations, then you never have any disappointment.

• 54:02Mayim Bialik?

  That's a saying from Alan on.

• 54:04Speaker 01

  So you just, you know, you just deal with your life as it comes, mostly intuitive, and let it all wash out however it does.

• 54:15Mayim Bialik?

  We have two things we'd like you to explain, meaning in terms of this framework. I'm curious, because I've been learning about neural retraining programs, which are supposed to sort of calm the nervous system down and try and encourage, you know, limbic overactivation to calm down. And one of the, you know, sort of techniques of a lot of these neural retraining programs is very similar to what you were describing in terms of imagination. You have to imagine, as part of the protocol for one of these programs, you have to imagine a future scenario, make up anything you want, and you have to engage as many senses as possible. What does the environment look like? And how do you feel? And what are you smelling? What are you tasting? You know, what is the color?

• 54:59Mayim Bialik?

  Like, if the feeling had a movement, make that move, you know, all this stuff. And so the idea is to use imagination to sort of build and sustain a positive feeling, right? You're setting an intention for a future probability. But I'm curious if you can describe in the sort of language that you operate in, what is trauma? What is a reactivation of trauma? When people feel triggered? When we find ourselves going down the same pathway, the same negative thinking, the same perceptive, you know, thoughts and feelings? What is that in the system?

• 55:41Speaker 01

  What that is, it could be multiple things, but what it is dominantly is fear. It's just fear. The person has a fear. They, you know, it could be anything, but mostly the fears turn around things like inadequacy, not being lovable, not being competent enough, being, you know, all those kinds of things. They have fears about being wrong, not getting it right. And those fears get triggered. They get triggered by somebody, you know, well, here's another thing. You know, if you have fears, you tend to create that reality. You create it by your expectations.

• 56:25Speaker 01

  You create it out of your fear to be the things you fear. So, you know, here's a, here's an example I use often. You know, if I'm outside and I say, "Look, the sky is a beautiful blue." And most people would just say, "Yes, it is." Somebody who's very insecure would say, "Are you trying to tell me that I don't know what color the sky is?" You see? They interpret that because they're feeling insecure about not knowing, not being whatever. And they'll take that, that I was trying to tell them that the sky was blue, and then they get upset.

• 56:58Mayim Bialik?

  I know that person. It's not you, don't worry.

• 57:00Speaker 01

  They get angry then. So, they won't, you know, the, uh, comes up as a good example is the guy who lived in New York City and was afraid of wild elephants. And he saw wild elephants everywhere. He saw, see that bush in the winds blowing around? There's an elephant hiding there. See that puddle on the ground? That's from an elephant's footprint. So, he found signs of wild elephants all over New York City. Well, of course, there are no wild elephants in New York City, but if you fear them,

• 57:27Mayim Bialik?

  They're at the zoo.

• 57:28Speaker 01

  you'll find them. They're not wild at the zoo. But if you find, you know, if you fear something, you will tend to find that.

• 57:36Mayim Bialik?

  Are we shifting the probability? Are we shifting the concept of a probability?

• 57:41Speaker 01

  Oh, if you're a negative and you have fears, those fears will make the probability of that, of whatever you fear, will make that come true. We make our fears come true. And most people spend most of their time in a negative state. Very few of us just are happy and enjoy life and everything's fine. Mostly, we're crunching over annoyances and things, and people said this and then eh eh. And all of that negativity produces more probability for negativity. Just like being happy and positive makes a higher probability for happy, positive things happening. So, yes, you create your own reality in a couple of ways. One is by your thoughts, your intentions.

• 58:26Speaker 01

  If they're negative, you create negativity around you. If, that's one way. The second way is by the way you interpret things. If you're negative, you tend to interpret things negatively. So, suddenly, your life is more full of negative stuff. But there's two powerful ways that you make, you create your own reality. Through your intentions, change the probabilities. Through the way you interpret the data. Okay? So, yes, if you're positive, then your life is tended to be positive. And people say something that would annoy you or doesn't annoy you. Even if they just outright say something really ugly to you. You think, well, it's not about me. It's about them. I wonder why they, you know, said that. Maybe I should talk to them a little bit.

• 59:11Mayim Bialik?

  Well, the entire culture of microdosing is trying to elevate everyone to that point.

• 59:17Speaker 01

  But again, yeah. But then, you're using something to help you do something that you're not capable of doing.

• 59:23Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 59:24Speaker 01

  Well, that may be civilizing in the short term, but it doesn't help you grow up in the long term is the problem with it.

• 59:32Mayim Bialik?

  Bruce Lipton talks about this on a cellular level and on an environmental level. I mean, it's, you know, we often say this to our listeners and our viewers, like, I don't know how many ways we can tell you, like, it's all the same, right? It's all the same. It's about a connection with something greater than yourself, right? It's about understanding yourself on this deeper level. It's about, you know, being able to set an intention of positivity.

• 59:54Jonathan Cohen?

  It's also about doing the work in the moment when you do have a thought of annoyance or frustration, that you have some tool or method by which you can pull yourself back from that ingrained reaction to build the new pathway.

• 1:00:09Mayim Bialik?

  More tools than others.

• 1:00:10Speaker 01

  But you are changing your reality, not just in a sense of your feelings, but you're actually changing your reality. The mind leads, the body follows. Your body reflects that. We create a lot of physical problems for ourselves.

• 1:00:23Mayim Bialik?

  Well, autoimmune conditions rampant among women.

• 1:00:24Speaker 01

  And it's not just in our bodies, but we create those attitudes that the people at the office then come at us with that upset us. We create those attitudes. So if you're negative and unhappy, you'll create an environment that feeds your unhappiness.

• 1:00:44Mayim Bialik?

  The other thing we wanted to talk about was past lives. And I don't know if you're familiar with the work of Jim Tucker, but I was recently turned on to the work of Jim Tucker, who's a psychiatrist. And he works with children who have very, very complicated recall of, I don't even want to say past lives, they have a complete, complete emotional and biographical recall that is not something they've read on Wikipedia, it's not something that's a book that their parents read that they overheard. They have very complicated and elaborate, in many cases, emotional connection.

• 1:01:26Mayim Bialik?

  Sometimes they have proclivities towards a profession that this past life, you know, and this happens in cultures that do not just have reincarnation as part of the vernacular. It happens in, you know, in Western cultures and things like this, where it's not so much part of the vernacular. Is past lives a thing? I've had regressions done, like, I don't know, a lot of it is imagination, but then I'm thinking, maybe it starts as imagination, and then I'm pulling data, I don't know.

• 1:01:55Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah, I can talk about that.

• 1:01:59Speaker 01

  There is this database that starts as that the system needs it in order to do the rendering of the virtual reality. The system needs to know what, what is possible? What are all the possibilities to happen next? This is in the future. What happens next and what's the probability of that happening?

• 1:02:22Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 1:02:23Speaker 01

  Okay. That's important because the way the system tells what happens next, because it's a probability based system and not a deterministic system, is it takes a random draw from a probability distribution of the possibilities. Now, that's not a random draw from the possibilities. It doesn't just randomly draw a possibility, but from the probability distribution of the possibilities. So the things that are more probable or more likely to be drawn. Okay? That's how it decides what happens next. Because it doesn't have a deterministic history to say what happens next.

• 1:02:54Mayim Bialik?

  Like, anything could happen.

• 1:02:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. So it could bring out that one in a million, could happen. Okay? But it won't happen very often because it's not going to draw that, but it might be once every million times. So that's how it determines what's next. So in order to do that, it needs a database that's basically of all the things that could happen and the probability it would happen.

• 1:03:17Mayim Bialik?

  That's how the probability is designed.

• 1:03:18Speaker 01

  Yes. That's, that's how, that's the database it needs so that when you dig a hole in your backyard, what's going to be in their roots and rocks? That's highly probable. A gold doubloon, and California maybe, you know? So there's a certain probability. Grandfather's pocket watch, you know, he lost it. It's possible. There's a lot, a lot of possibilities. So one of them gets drawn out and that's what you find in a hole. Okay? So that's the way reality works. That's how you tell what happens next. Now, that database is, a couple of things about it. One, the further it progresses out, the raddier it gets because you're saying, given the last one was true, what's the next one? Given that one's true, what's the next one? So now the system, if somebody does something that's unexpected, you know, and we humans

• 1:04:02Speaker 01

  go off on wild hares enough that we do things that are unexpected, then it has to recalculate the thing. That are downstream from that particular action. But it doesn't have to recalculate everything. So anyway, as time goes by, what was in the future becomes the present, goes into the past. So now you've got this big database that goes into the past of everything that could have happened and the probability that it would have. And through that big database is a thread that defines what actually did happen. But it's got all the possibilities and all their probabilities go with it. Because that was part of the future probable database. It just gets old and now it's past. So you do have this database of everything that has happened.

• 1:04:44Mayim Bialik?

  Everything that could have happened.

• 1:04:45Speaker 01

  Everything that could have happened and a thread of what did happen. So that's this big database that people talk about. Now, yes, your past life is in there. And it's there with the data.

• 1:04:56Mayim Bialik?

  Your past life at some point was a future possibility.

• 1:05:01Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:05:01Mayim Bialik?

  That didn't happen.

• 1:05:04Speaker 01

  Your past life is was at one time a future possibility that that didn't that did happen. That's the thread of what actually did happen. And there's a lot of things that didn't happen.

• 1:05:15Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 1:05:16Speaker 01

  But they're all carried here.

• 1:05:17Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 1:05:17Speaker 01

  So now you can go into that database and you can say, I'd like to see what would have happened if I had have married Suzie instead of Sally. Okay, I married, I married Sally, but I want to know what would happen if I had married Suzie. And I could say, I'd like to know that, let's say, give me a little vignettes every five years for 50 years. And then you'll get that information. Now, this is probability, not necessarily that it would have happened because you weren't making choices. But it would just go through the probabilities. And then you could say, instead of, instead of giving me that as the most probable things that would have happened if I married Sally or Suzie instead of Sally.

• 1:05:59Speaker 01

  You say, I want the third most likely thing that would have happened. Then you'll get a different thing. That'll be the third most likely happened. All the data's in the database. You have to tell the database what it is you're looking for. So when people go back into that database, they don't understand that they need to have their intent make a query that is specific to what actually did happen. There's lots of probabilities in there. And if they don't know that, then they tend to wander around in probabilities rather than actually get the information that they're looking for. So that's one problem.

• 1:06:34Mayim Bialik?

  Also, children aren't necessarily choosing this.

• 1:06:37Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:06:37Mayim Bialik?

  Like, it's dropping in like it's been downloaded.

• 1:06:39Speaker 01

  Right, exactly. Now, there's a couple of reasons for that.

• 1:06:44Speaker 01

  The most, the most common reason for that is, you know, there was a, there was a good example. It was a little boy that was an airplane pilot that got shut down someplace. And he knew the plane.

• 1:06:55Mayim Bialik?

  The kind of injury?

• 1:06:56Speaker 01

  He knew the kind of injury. He knew the guy's name. I mean, he knew everything about it. And it all turned out to be true. All right, now, why does that happen? Why does this happen to this little boy? Mostly, and there's, there's various reasons, but the, the major reason is that the larger consciousness system is using this little boy's memory to help wake up a whole bunch of people and give them the message that life isn't as, as simple and straightforward as they thought. There's other attributes to it, and it has to do with beyond the physical. That's just opening people's minds because we're getting to this fast part of the curve, and people need to be aware of that.

• 1:07:39Speaker 01

  So there's all kinds of things the system does to help wake us up. Basically, it's a wake-up call, and it just says, "Reality is more complicated than you thought."

• 1:07:50Jonathan Cohen?

  It's not necessarily that this kid was that person or anything like that. They're using him as a messenger.

• 1:07:55Speaker 01

  Yes, so they can use him as a messenger to do that. He's got the right parents who are gonna take it seriously. They're gonna write it all down. They're gonna check it out.

• 1:08:04Mayim Bialik?

  They go to ABC News.

• 1:08:05Speaker 01

  They're gonna call the news. So it's possible that that was his experience, but it doesn't have to be that way.

• 1:08:13Jonathan Cohen?

  He's just remembering something.

• 1:08:15Speaker 01

  He is remembering. He's got all the memories. He's got all the details.

• 1:08:19Mayim Bialik?

  All the data.

• 1:08:19Speaker 01

  They come right into his head. When people ask him, well, what kind of plane was it? Comes right out of his mind.

• 1:08:25Mayim Bialik?

  He's not remembering it. He's, he's, he just knows it.

• 1:08:27Speaker 01

  He just knows it, exactly. And that's what's going on for the most part. There's other things like that going on at the same time.

• 1:08:35Jonathan Cohen?

  What about people who have like a really intense sense or knowing that they have experienced other lifetimes or memories with someone in this form? Is it that they really did reincarnate from a different time period in history? Or they're just remembering other possible timelines where their consciousnesses have interacted in different forms?

• 1:08:59Speaker 01

  Either it could be either one, or it could be that the system is just putting that in their mind to tell them that life is more complex than they think.

• 1:09:06Jonathan Cohen?

  Or telling them that, hey, there's something special between this and the moment.

• 1:09:10Speaker 01

  There's something special between this.

• 1:09:11Jonathan Cohen?

  Increasing the weight of the importance.

• 1:09:13Speaker 01

  Exactly. So it's some sort of thing like that.

• 1:09:16Mayim Bialik?

  I like that because it actually kind of lessens the, the need to convince people it's true or it's real because kind of whatever information we have is true and real because it exists in our consciousness.

• 1:09:29Speaker 01

  But you wouldn't want to say, put that on a, on a young child who was in a situation where instead of making the news and being a, a, you know, an amazing thing, he gets put in, in an asylum or a home, you know, for people who are having hallucinations and given drugs. So you wouldn't want to just let that happen to anybody. You'd have to pick the situation where it was gonna turn out to be better.

• 1:09:55Jonathan Cohen?

  So I had a very interesting experience with my son when he was.

• 1:10:01Jonathan Cohen?

  I want to say about two and a half, between two and a half and three and a half. And I don't quite remember because it's, and the timeline's important because his language was somewhat limited. And so I don't remember when the language developed enough for him to not have this experience. But there were, I don't know how many times a week it was, like three, four times a week, that he would go to bed, be sleeping, and then he would wake up like wildly upset, but he was like still asleep while he was upset and he was kind of screaming. And he would, he would be saying he can't breathe.

• 1:10:35Jonathan Cohen?

  And we would try to wake him up and tell him he's safe and whatnot. And, you know, his mom is on the uh.

• 1:10:43Mayim Bialik?

  Energetic spectrum?

• 1:10:44Jonathan Cohen?

  Yeah, she's, she spends a lot of time exploring that, that realm and believed that she had been his mom once before and she had dates and times. And we did some creative exploration both together actually and kind of got different pieces of a puzzle that put me in his life as a caregiver, him as her son in a different lifetime or different timeframe. And that there was a fire and that he actually died in that fire as a young child. And this is over the course of like several weeks or even months where we're getting little pieces of this information. He's still having these night terrors and they keep getting worse.

• 1:11:27Jonathan Cohen?

  And at one point, uh, he wakes up and he's screaming, I can't breathe, I can't breathe. And he's gasping and we tell him the story. And this is an old memory and at one point you were in danger and you're not in danger now. And we're both here for you and you're, came to us and we love you and we're going to protect you. But we tell him this whole story and he quiets down. His eyes are never open during this, when he's waking up at night. Goes back to sleep, never has another incident again.

• 1:11:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, it sounds like you fixed the problem.

• 1:12:04Speaker 01

  Sounds like you fixed the problem. You know, again, you can't be 100% sure why anything happens. Or the reason for anything happening. Could be any number of things. The fact that it fixed him then would make me think that there was some truth to that. And just giving that to his mind so he could locate it. In his mind, he's maybe in a fire. But now this locates it as, oh, that was some time in the past and da, da, da, da, da. And suddenly for him, it's a, it's like it comes into focus. Now he doesn't have to be so terrified of it. It's a, it's a memory and he gets that even if he's asleep. So it may be something like that.

• 1:12:47Speaker 01

  And indeed, that was, that was what it took to fix it. And that you and your wife were getting information to help him fix that problem. Because you were aware that it was a problem. And of course, he's your child and you don't want the children to be in terror like that. So your mind is inquisitive. What is it? What could it be? And when your mind goes out like that, it pulls information in. So the information may or may not have been accurate. That's not the point. The point is that whether it was accurate or not, it worked.

• 1:13:22Jonathan Cohen?

  I mean, I'm getting extremely emotional because there's another piece to this.

• 1:13:26Mayim Bialik?

  Uh-oh.

• 1:13:28Jonathan Cohen?

  As, as a kid myself, my parents had a cottage north of the city that we, we grew up in. And for no reason that I can remember, when I would go to sleep in one of the bedrooms, I would constantly think about the large tree that was outside of that bedroom. And think of what would happen if a fire came? How would I escape the house and crawl down this tree? And the tree was, you know, really big and I would, every in a time, only in that bedroom, would I imagine myself having to escape.

• 1:13:59Jonathan Cohen?

  I have like, I wouldn't say irrational fear of fire, but I am like, it really bothers me when there are wildfires.

• 1:14:07Mayim Bialik?

  I'd say it's, it's, there's paralysis, there's emotional paralysis.

• 1:14:12Jonathan Cohen?

  I get very.

• 1:14:12Mayim Bialik?

  It's significant.

• 1:14:13Jonathan Cohen?

  It's like I have an issue, like I think we should have clean air and I think that's important to be able to breathe and I lived in a town that, you know, there was, it's in a, was a mountain town and it was in a little valley and smoke would come into the valley and it often would not blow out and you know, you would have AQI of 150 and it's seeping through the walls and everything smells like and then you know, you get a headache and it's really unpleasant. And I had to, you know, I couldn't, never felt settled in that town because I, I loved it, but every summer I would have this experience and I never had the, the fear of being burnt up, but now when I think about, I, I never put all three of those pieces together, the fear as a child, the past memory of that experience with my son

• 1:14:58Jonathan Cohen?

  and the information that came in and then my present, um, fire terror. I don't know, I just, it all sort of like, all of a sudden, all three of those blocks just became clear to me. I was like, oh, wait a second.

• 1:15:10Mayim Bialik?

  I'm turning off my intellectual brain.

• 1:15:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, often the things that happen, you'll find there's a lesson in there for all the participants, not just the one. It wasn't just the son perhaps, it was also something for you, maybe something for your wife too. Often there's a lesson for everybody in that. That's just basically the way the system works. It's trying to optimize the possibility of you making better choices. It also is optimizing your, your son, not, you know, being so afraid, but it just tends to work that way. Things that, things that happen, the system's very efficient and if it can, if it can get three birds with one stone, it'll do that.

• 1:15:56Speaker 01

  It'll come up with a way that that works because it's got all the information. It knows every thought and emotion that you've had and it knows what emotions and thoughts you're likely to have and it knows what your past was like. It's got all the information, so it's not that hard for it to come up with something that will be a, a positive. And even if it takes you 20 years to figure it out, that's all right. The information's in there for you to use when you're capable of using it.

• 1:16:26Mayim Bialik?

  Before we let you go, what are the signs that entropy needs to be reduced? Or that you are on the right path to reducing entropy?

• 1:16:37Jonathan Cohen?

  I think of it like as we move towards a more expanded consciousness life, are there, for example, synchronicities? Or moments that show us we're on the right path to help us continue?

• 1:16:55Mayim Bialik?

  He gives different data than I do.

• 1:16:58Speaker 01

  But let's, uh, let me go with the last one. And then you can ask the other one again if I didn't address it. Yes, as you evolve, as you grow up, and that's not act better, but are better. Okay, you will find that, one, your decision space. Decision space is all the decisions you're aware of. Now, you may get to a fork in the road and there'll be a decision of this way or that way. But I'm talking about decisions in general in your life. Like, there may be five possibilities that you see. And you have to decide which road you're gonna go down. But there actually may be 20 possibilities, but you only see five of them. Because those others are outside of your experience base.

• 1:17:42Speaker 01

  So out of those five, define your decision space in that problem. Okay? So decision space is what are the choices I have? And it doesn't matter, if you're in jail for life, okay, you can't go home for Christmas. But there's other things you can do. So you'll always have decision space. You don't, you know, that's your free will to make those choices. That's basically what free will is. It's you get to pick something that's in your decision space. Even if your decision space is small, because you're in prison. It's not as big as it was if you were out. Well, you still get to pick from the ones that you've got. Now, as you grow up, I say grow up for means, you know, increase the quality of your consciousness, lower your entropy, all that. As you grow up, your decision space grows.

• 1:18:27Speaker 01

  The information that you get grows. Because say you walk into a room and you understand it. You understand the people, where you're going, what you're gonna do. And you feel comfortable with it. So that's more information than most people get. If, you know, somebody comes and says, "Oh, my grandmother's having a hard time doing something, something." You immediately know what's wrong with your grandmother, what's wrong? And was she gonna get better? Is she gonna kill her? You get this information.

• 1:18:53Speaker 01

  Just because your mind goes, oh, poor grandma, and it comes the information. So you live in a different world with different amounts of information. And you tend to live in a world where you don't set your intellect working on that information. You just keep it in your, you know, in your, in kind of your own space. It's in your own intuitive space that you know these things. You don't really operate on it. You do in the beginning because you're curious. Oh, does your grandmama have this, you know, because you want to know if you got the right answer or not. But eventually you get over that and you just live in that space. You find that your life is good.

• 1:19:36Speaker 01

  Synchronicities is a way of life. Things that are not normal happen to you daily, even hourly. Things just work out. It's one of those things, you know, if you were to fall into a cesspool, you'd probably find a gold brick at the bottom of it, you know? It's that sort of thing. Life just works for you and you kind of rely on that. And you don't really bother too much about how is this all going to work out? Because it'll work out however it does and I'll be fine. So you're relaxed, you don't have much stress. So, yeah, you have all of that. The life gets more positive, gets better.

• 1:20:17Speaker 01

  Your life is generally full of joy and happiness and you feel satisfied. And you just go through each moment when it happens, you make your best choice. You know, this is the way, this is the way learning takes place. Stuff happens and you get to make a choice. Now, most people try to manipulate the stuff that happens so that it happens in a way they like. That's where they spend their energy, trying to manipulate. To have things come out the way they want them to come out, the way they know it's going to be best for everybody. So they, they do that. But rather than spend time trying to manipulate things to come out the way you want, you just let them happen however they do. And when they do happen,

• 1:21:00Speaker 01

  you do your due diligence, which means you think about it, you feel about it. You know, sort of like you two different kinds of protein, you feel about it, and then you make a choice. And then you look back at that choice and say, was that a good choice or a bad choice? And why? And then you learn something, and then you go on. So some people have a problem of making choices. Well, I don't know the right answer. What is the low entropy path? I've got five choices and I don't know which one's low entropy. Of course you don't. You never will. Get over it. You don't have to make the right choice. That's not, the life is not about making the right choice. Life is about learning, about growing up, of becoming more.

• 1:21:42Speaker 01

  So you do your due diligence, you think about it, you get all the information, you try to think, what's the low entropy choice? And then you make it.

• 1:21:50Speaker 01

  And then you see what happens. And if it didn't work out well, you learn from it. And that lowers the probability you'll do it again. Because you're aware and you learn from it. So you should never feel like, I don't know what the low entropy choice is. You don't have to. You just make a choice. Learn from it. The worst thing you can do in this reality is make a choice and not learn from it. If it's a bad choice. That's called repetition compulsions. Yeah, if you don't learn from it, then you just get to do it again. And you keep doing it again and again and again for as many days or as many lifetimes as it takes for you to get it. So that's, you know, kind of how things work. So yes, the, you know, now I live mostly in intuitive space.

• 1:22:34Speaker 01

  And if you're aware of that sort of thing, you know, you send, you tend to be turned into that. You'll notice that I'm here and I'm gone, and my mind is kind of else, and it comes back, and it comes back with information. And it's not something I intellectually do, oh, I have to go out and find that information. As I need it, it comes. And it comes as I need it, when I need it. And for me, it's just the way life works. If you need some information and it's available to you to help you make the choice. But you only get there by getting rid of the fear and the ego and the beliefs. Because those things scramble what you know. They make you come to wrong conclusions.

• 1:23:17Speaker 01

  And then they take your information and garble it, basically. Because your interpretation of that information is now twisted to fit your fears. Twisted to fit your beliefs.

• 1:23:30Jonathan Cohen?

  And comparisons, disappointments, wanting something that didn't work out. We should really be seeing anything that doesn't work out as, oh, that wasn't supposed to happen. And it wouldn't have been good for me if it did.

• 1:23:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, for the most part, you, you know, you do that, but it doesn't matter. You know, you don't have to justify everything. Stuff happens because it happens. Stuff may happen to me because somebody else made a decision to do this. I may have an accident out in the car because somebody made the wrong turn. Or thought it was a two-way street and it was only a one-way street. So stuff can happen to me. But my point is, I don't take it personally. It's just stuff happens and I deal with it. So if I get a broken leg or something, then I wait for it to heal. And I probably learned something from the process of not being able to walk for a while. Will be a learning thing. Learn to be patient, learn to depend on others, learn that you can't always do everything for yourself. So you turn everything into a learning situation.

• 1:24:25Speaker 01

  There's almost no experience you can have that you can't learn something from. So life best becomes a series of learning. Now, you're the person you were talking about. They said it was a series of tests. Well, yes, everything's a test. You get a broken leg, it's a test. What do you do? Feel sorry for yourself? Ah, woe is me, that jerk did this and that. And you blame it on people and you feel miserable. Well, it'll take your leg twice as long to heal. And you'll be unhappy and miserable and so on. Whereas if it's, oh, my leg, and I hope it heals well and good. And you put positive energy, suddenly it heals twice as fast as anybody thought it would. And you're back up again and everything is fine. So it's it's not blaming others, it's not judging others.

• 1:25:09Speaker 01

  It's just accepting life as it comes and making your best choices. And it's very simple. It's just a very simple way to go through life. And the more you grow up, the more information you have in order to make that work better. The more ego and fear and belief you have, the more you you twist that process into something that is non-functional. So that's that's kind of how you get through your life. It's just simple. Let stuff happen. Think, you know, do due diligence, make a choice, learn from it, and go on.

• 1:25:46Mayim Bialik?

  Before we let you go, are you a fun person?

• 1:25:51Mayim Bialik?

  Like, do you like music, movies? Do like, what do you, what's your?

• 1:25:54Speaker 01

  Okay, am I a fun person? Yes, I am a fun person. Can't you tell that I'm a fun person?

• 1:26:01Mayim Bialik?

  But like, what what kind of movies do you like?

• 1:26:03Speaker 01

  I don't watch movies very often because I don't find them very good.

• 1:26:09Mayim Bialik?

  Okay.

• 1:26:09Speaker 01

  For the most part. And I'll have to tell you, I've never seen a single issue of the, uh,

• 1:26:17Speaker 01

  uh, yeah, you know, Big Bang.

• 1:26:20Mayim Bialik?

  Big Bang Theory.

• 1:26:21Speaker 01

  I haven't watched commercial TV for probably forty-five years.

• 1:26:25Mayim Bialik?

  Wow, wow. Do you like music?

• 1:26:28Speaker 01

  I love music.

• 1:26:29Mayim Bialik?

  What do you like?

• 1:26:31Speaker 01

  I like almost everything, except.

• 1:26:34Mayim Bialik?

  Okay, go ahead.

• 1:26:34Speaker 01

  Except I don't like so much country music.

• 1:26:39Mayim Bialik?

  Okay.

• 1:26:40Jonathan Cohen?

  You and cows. Cows don't like country music either.

• 1:26:42Speaker 01

  I don't particularly like the country music. I find it a little whiny and very simplistic.

• 1:26:47Mayim Bialik?

  Okay.

• 1:26:47Speaker 01

  I tend to like music that's more complex.

• 1:26:49Mayim Bialik?

  Okay.

• 1:26:50Speaker 01

  I tend to like fusion, jazz and rock.

• 1:26:54Mayim Bialik?

  Okay.

• 1:26:55Speaker 01

  I like my my my rock, kind of loud and screamy. I like.

• 1:27:00Mayim Bialik?

  Classic rock, what we used to call classic rock.

• 1:27:03Speaker 01

  I like.

• 1:27:04Mayim Bialik?

  Like, are you like a Fleetwood Mac person? Are you a Grateful Dead person?

• 1:27:09Speaker 01

  See, I don't know any of those names.

• 1:27:10Mayim Bialik?

  Beatles?

• 1:27:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I like all of that.

• 1:27:14Mayim Bialik?

  Okay.

• 1:27:14Speaker 01

  Okay, I like music that's emotional.

• 1:27:17Mayim Bialik?

  Okay.

• 1:27:18Speaker 01

  The music, music that it's all about the words.

• 1:27:21Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:21Speaker 01

  I never listen to words. When I listen to music, there are no words. The voice is just another instrument.

• 1:27:27Mayim Bialik?

  Interesting.

• 1:27:28Speaker 01

  I hear the voice and it does whatever it does.

• 1:27:30Mayim Bialik?

  Do you like classical music?

• 1:27:31Speaker 01

  I like classical music.

• 1:27:32Mayim Bialik?

  Okay, got it.

• 1:27:32Speaker 01

  I like classical music. I don't like all of it, some is very repetitious. And it just kind of cycles, you know, it's, it comes in cycles and goes around and sometimes it's, you know. It's tends to be busy.

• 1:27:45Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:45Speaker 01

  Without being interesting.

• 1:27:46Mayim Bialik?

  Okay.

• 1:27:47Speaker 01

  Other classical music.

• 1:27:48Mayim Bialik?

  Do you like folk music?

• 1:27:51Speaker 01

  If it's not simple.

• 1:27:52Mayim Bialik?

  Ah.

• 1:27:52Speaker 01

  Most folk music is. You got a little tune, it's a little tune and it just repeats over and over again. Um, I don't mind not being complex if somebody is really, you know, I like blues.

• 1:28:05Mayim Bialik?

  Okay.

• 1:28:06Speaker 01

  Okay, blues are great because it's.

• 1:28:07Mayim Bialik?

  That's just three chords.

• 1:28:08Speaker 01

  It's a, it's a, it's emotional music. It's simple and it's repetitive in its form, but it is emotional. It's about feelings. It's about something that means something important to somebody. And that's significant to me. So, yeah, when I say loud screaming rock, I don't know how to tell you that, you know, uh. Remember James Brown? Do you remember, uh, Ray Charles?

• 1:28:35Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, sure.

• 1:28:36Speaker 01

  You remember all those?

• 1:28:37Mayim Bialik?

  I mean, those are also blues, you know.

• 1:28:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're, they're kind of bluesy.

• 1:28:40Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, kind of foundations.

• 1:28:41Speaker 01

  Bluesy rock, so blues, rock and jazz.

• 1:28:44Mayim Bialik?

  Okay.

• 1:28:44Speaker 01

  I like, I like jazz music, contemporary jazz.

• 1:28:48Mayim Bialik?

  Okay.

• 1:28:48Speaker 01

  But mostly that, that's, that has the feeling in it. Like if you pull up, uh, Miles Davis and get his album, Sketches of Spain.

• 1:28:55Mayim Bialik?

  Oh, I love it.

• 1:28:56Speaker 01

  That's a beautiful work.

• 1:28:58Mayim Bialik?

  My older son is Miles, for Miles Davis.

• 1:28:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a beautiful piece.

• 1:29:01Mayim Bialik?

  That is a beautiful piece.

• 1:29:02Speaker 01

  That album is wonderful. It's one of my favorite albums. And it's not because Miles is very good about hitting every note just right.

• 1:29:08Mayim Bialik?

  Sure.

• 1:29:08Speaker 01

  He doesn't.

• 1:29:08Mayim Bialik?

  It's very emotional.

• 1:29:09Speaker 01

  He mangles a lot of them, but they're, it's got a lot of feeling in it. And you can just disappear into that feeling very easily. So that's the kind of.

• 1:29:20Mayim Bialik?

  Amazing.

• 1:29:20Speaker 01

  Music that I, that I like with the.

• 1:29:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, you ever, you remember the, the song Bad to the Bone?

• 1:29:28Mayim Bialik?

  Yep.

• 1:29:28Speaker 01

  Remember that?

• 1:29:29Mayim Bialik?

  Yes.

• 1:29:30Speaker 01

  I had a, I had a lady who was living with us at the time, taking care of children and cooking meals and cleaning the house and stuff. And, and she came up to me one day and said, if, if you heard that song? And I hadn't because I was real busy then and I didn't. If I listened to music in the car, it was because I had a CD player in the trunk of the car. I listened to that. But anyway, I said, no, I never heard it. And she says, well, somehow it reminds me of you. You and that music, you and that music just go together. So I said, I have to, I have to hear that. So she found it and she played it for me and I thought, what does that have to do with me? What does that have to do with me? But then, I played it for Eileen, who's maybe back here someplace? I don't know.

• 1:30:15Speaker 01

  And she said, that's you. So, but it's me, not in a way that I'm bad to the bone, but just, you know, I'm a physicist and I seem to be very intellectual, that I'm very, maybe, I wouldn't say conservative, that's the wrong word these days, but like most intellectuals are.

• 1:30:36Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:37Speaker 01

  But.

• 1:30:38Mayim Bialik?

  Do you cry?

• 1:30:39Speaker 01

  Yes, I do, more and more than I ever used to. When I was younger, never. Never a tear would leave my eyes, but now I cry at everything.

• 1:30:48Jonathan Cohen?

  It's a sign of maturity.

• 1:30:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, I cry at everything now. But in any case, I tend to be, I have a good sense of humor. I love to joke.

• 1:31:00Mayim Bialik?

  Your book's very funny, your writing's very funny.

• 1:31:03Speaker 01

  Every couple of pages or something, chapters, it has some humor in it.

• 1:31:07Mayim Bialik?

  Very playful.

• 1:31:07Speaker 01

  I, I am that way. I tend to joke around a lot and I tend to be a little wild and crazy.

• 1:31:14Mayim Bialik?

  That's, I don't find that hard to believe.

• 1:31:16Speaker 01

  You're good, but I do. In this situation, I'm very buttoned down and business and intellectual and we have to say things, but in a private environment, I'm.

• 1:31:29Speaker 01

  I don't get up on tables and put lampshades on my head. I'm not that kind of guy, but I will. Almost everything comes out of my mouth is humor. I don't, I'm not very serious about anything.

• 1:31:42Mayim Bialik?

  Well, you are the favorite rabbi I've ever had on this podcast. So, thank you so much. I do recommend By Big Toe. It is dense, it's worth working through, and obviously, it's a trilogy as well. Please tell everyone where they can find your binaural beats and everything else about you.

• 1:31:59Speaker 01

  Well, go to my website, which is www.my-big-toe.com. And you will find everything there. If you want to actually get what the theory is about, you'll find most of that there. You'll find packages to buy, like binaural beats. And there'll be lots of them, but they're not expensive. So, buy a bunch of them and compare them. Because a binaural beat that works great for you today may be one that doesn't work for you tomorrow. It depends. What you bring to the table is one of the very big variables. It's not just that everybody's the same and these binaural beats will do everything for everybody. It's very personal. And you're different.

• 1:32:42Speaker 01

  You're different hour to hour, much less day to day. So, play around with them. I also have some, a thing there called Exploring Consciousness and Everything Paranormal, where I teach you how to do everything paranormal. All the things we've talked about. I teach you about remote viewing, mind-to-mind communications, talking to your dead Uncle Fred, all the things that you might want to do. Healing, all that. And I explain them, how they work, why they work, how you can learn to do them, what not to do, what to do. And again, that's not really expensive. It's a five-week training course that's intensive. If you take it over five weeks, it'll be five intensive days.

• 1:33:25Speaker 01

  But you can take it over five months or five years if you want. You just learn faster if it's intensive than if it isn't, but you can do it. So, if you're interested in paranormal, that will explain to you what the paranormal is and how it works. I have a couple of other products there. Tom's Park is one. If you're hard, if you have a hard time meditating, this will give you, it'll give you something to... Put in your mind that's productive that leads you to be able to do the paranormal things at the end of it. So that's another thing. So that's where you can get stuff. I've got a YouTube and my YouTube has probably 2,000 videos. Way too many videos for you to figure out which ones to watch.

• 1:34:09Speaker 01

  So I also at the website, I have a search tool that will search those thousands of hours of video by subject. I also have at the website, a tool that is called AI Guy. Now you haven't gotten to AI Guy yet in the books. You've just looked at book one, which is no more than an introduction. The serious stuff is in book two and book three. But in any case, AI Guy is a character in my book too. And this AI Guy has my voice. It has been trained on all those thousands of videos. It has been trained on the books and everything I've ever said. So it is about as close to me as you can get.

• 1:34:52Mayim Bialik?

  Amazing, but not as fun.

• 1:34:53Speaker 01

  But not as fun. It doesn't make jokes like I do. Anyhow, it will be, it will answer your questions very much like I did. We've tested it many times, you know, they'll have a whole bunch of questions and I answer them and then they put them in the AI Guy to answer them. And I'd say, you know, 98, 99% gets them right because it's not just any AI, but it's one's been trained on my stuff specifically.

• 1:35:18Jonathan Cohen?

  I could do a spinoff show with his AI.

• 1:35:20Mayim Bialik?

  That's right. You could just talk to him all day.

• 1:35:22Speaker 01

  You could, but it's good. So that's another thing we have. But in general, it's a community, you know? I don't have millions of people following me, but I have a hundred thousand or so. And we have a community that has its own newsletters and things that go out. We have meetings. This May, I'm going to Spain for four or five days doing events. I've been around the world a time or two, been to Germany five or six times and. Everywhere they speak English because otherwise I have to do it with an interpreter. So I speak to places that there's English. I actually had a German interpreter when I was there. But one of my biggest audiences is in Germany. The people who are very rational.

• 1:36:06Speaker 01

  My, my books, I intended them, you know, it was written by a physicist. I intended them to be an on-ramp for left brainers. People who live by logical process don't have an on-ramp to the spiritual or to the non-physical or any of that. So my books are made to be logical and they drive right brainers crazy because they're too, they're too logical, too much process. They are not an easy read and you have to read them very slowly.

• 1:36:35Mayim Bialik?

  Well, I really, I really enjoyed the first, so I'll tackle the others as well.

• 1:36:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think you'll like them even better. There's more and better information as you, as you go. But anyhow, this has been fun.

• 1:36:46Mayim Bialik?

  Thank you, thank you so much.

• 1:36:47Speaker 01

  Thank you for inviting me. It's been, it's been a pleasure. I thought maybe we'd talk more about mental health, but that's all right.

• 1:36:54Mayim Bialik?

  We had too many other things to talk to you about.

• 1:36:56Speaker 01

  So maybe we do it again.

• 1:36:58Mayim Bialik?

  Oh, we would love that.

• 1:36:59Speaker 01

  You know, people ask me about, well, a lot of those people get locked up. Is that because they're having real connections to the larger conscious system? And just nobody believes them? And yeah, that's, that's a problem. If you have that connection, you need to keep it to yourself.

• 1:37:16Jonathan Cohen?

  It's also about can you integrate it or does it sort of take you over, right? If you're channeling an enormous amount of information and you don't know what to do with it.

• 1:37:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, then you have to kind of back up again. You don't want to overwhelm your own free will to deal with it. So you have to back it off and say, okay, what does this mean? If you just open yourself up to it and now you're a channel and you're just blathering things that nobody can understand, that's not going to be helpful to you or really to other people. So you do need to make sure your free will is in control of what's going on. And if it, if it's more than you can handle, then make it stop. It will obey your free will. You can make it stop, you know, like those people that are too empathetic. Can't go into a Walmart because it drives them nuts all the vibes. Yeah, and you can turn that off.

• 1:38:08Speaker 01

  You can turn it off selectively. Not only turn it all off, but you can say, "I only want to be able to hear those people who have a birthday this week." And then the crowd will disappear and you'll only hear from the few people who have birthdays this week. You can open and close those portals with your intent. And most people don't know that, but you can. It just takes a little practice of developing your intuitive side. It has a lot of things that it can do. It's your mind. It's the core function of your mind is this intuitive spot. The intellect is kind of something grafted onto the side so you can deal with the world. But dealing with being a human being with other people mostly comes out of your intuitive side.

• 1:38:52Speaker 01

  And we don't develop it at all. We just let it sit there in language. We were smarter intuitively when we were three years old than we are now as adults mostly. But yes, you can turn things on, turn things off.

• 1:39:03Mayim Bialik?

  There's more to talk about, for sure. Thank you so much.

• 1:39:09Mayim Bialik?

  I don't even know what to say about what just happened.

• 1:39:12Jonathan Cohen?

  You would have to say everything about the entire universe and its construction and how to live your life.

• 1:39:17Mayim Bialik?

  I hope people will go and check out the resources that Tom has on his website. The books are very dense, I'm not gonna lie. But I just feel like we got him to share so much of his wisdom. We're so grateful for people listening to this episode. And if you missed the first one, go back and listen to it.

• 1:39:38Jonathan Cohen?

  Also, after the episode, I got maybe one of the best hugs of my life.

• 1:39:42Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, he definitely, there was a deep connection between us and Tom. And yeah, he's a hugger. Who knew?

• 1:39:50Jonathan Cohen?

  You know, if you're watching the video, I'm wondering if people can pick up his presence. There was an intensity about him.

• 1:39:59Mayim Bialik?

  He's very intense.

• 1:40:00Jonathan Cohen?

  You can feel people who have changed their frequency. You know, he's been meditating for how many years? Decades? And there is a level of presence. He sat for over three hours without a restroom break. Without saying an um or an ah, like he barely paused. There was like two moments in three hours where he didn't have just a stream of consciousness that he was able to share with us. And I'm really kind of amazed.

• 1:40:30Mayim Bialik?

  It was really a very, very powerful episode. He did remind me of some of the more mystical guests we've had. He reminded me of Michael Singer.

• 1:40:37Jonathan Cohen?

  That's what I was gonna say.

• 1:40:38Mayim Bialik?

  Very heavy Michael Singer vibes, which, you know, not what you'd expect from a physicist.

• 1:40:44Jonathan Cohen?

  Michael's an economist and I remember when we spoke to him, you could feel his presence through Zoom.

• 1:40:51Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:51Jonathan Cohen?

  Because he wasn't in person and like, that's what I imagine it would be like.

• 1:40:55Mayim Bialik?

  I mean, look, I, yeah, it's, I don't even know what else to say. From our breakdown to the one we hope you never have, we will see you next time.