New Quantum Science: Deepak Chopra Explains Telepathy, Simulation Theory & How to Break Old Patterns to Increase Your Potential!

Wondering what the invention of AI means for your humanity? Why are we hearing so much about telepathy lately? Are we all connected? Deepak Chopra joins us again in the Breakdown Studio to answer all your questions and quell your fears about artificial intelligence. Learn how Deepak Chopra literally channeled his spirituality into AI and how he challenged it to go beyond its programmers' way of thinking. Mayim and Jonathan discuss the chart-topping podcast The Telepathy Tapes and discover that Deepak Chopra was one of the first to uncover savant abilities in autistic children. Mayim and Deepak explore the possibility that those with autism, ADHD, or who are nonverbal are tapping into love to connect telepathically with those around them. Deepak explains how auras are a part of the electromagnetic field and how quantum physics plays a role in our understanding of mysticism and consciousness. Understand how meditation is just the beginning to connect you to a deeper understanding of consciousness. Plus, find out if Deepak Chopra believes in aliens! You don’t want to miss this mind-expanding MBB Explores! Deepak Chopra's latest book, DIGITAL DHARMA: How AI Can Elevate Spiritual Intelligence and Personal Well-Being: https://www.deepakchopra.com/book/digital-dharma/ Deepak Chopra AI: https://www.deepakchopra.ai/ Cyberhuman AI: https://www.cyberhuman.ai/ BialikBreakdown.com https://www.bialikbreakdown.com/ YouTube.com/mayimbialik https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTOocPnDh2YQZZwh86K2OxA Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  We're at a very critical crossroads in our evolution. You're going to see the emergence of a new human species. Maybe extrasensory perception and remote viewing and all of that.

• 0:10Mayim Bialik?

  We've spoken to people who inexplicably see auras around people. They see energy.

• 0:16Speaker 00

  It's the electromagnetic field. We only see things that we believe in. So seeing is not believing. It's the other way around. The way you're conditioned in your childhood determines how you see the world. So what's the world before you have been conditioned to see it?

• 0:34Mayim Bialik?

  There are things that we cannot measure that do exist and are real.

• 0:39Speaker 00

  Everyone who's listening to this, their frontal cortex right now is changing as we speak. If we realize that everything material is an illusion, then who is creating the illusion? Are we participants in the creation of the universe, literally? I went to New Jersey to interview a kid. The mother said he can read my mind.

• 1:03Mayim Bialik?

  You were the original telepathy tapes?

• 1:04Speaker 00

  I was the original. So you know how that started.

• 1:15Mayim Bialik?

  Hi, I'm Iain Viallick.

• 1:16Jonathan Cohen?

  I'm Jonathan Cohen.

• 1:16Mayim Bialik?

  And welcome to a very special MBB Explores. We got a lot to explore today. Today, we are exploring...

• 1:25Jonathan Cohen?

  The totality of the universe.

• 1:27Mayim Bialik?

  And if that's the biggest thing we're exploring, the smallest thing we're exploring is you. The atoms that you are made of, the consciousness that you have, and the ability that you have to think and understand outside of a material existence. Now, this all might sound like, what is going on? What if we were to tell you AI is part of this conversation? And what if we were to tell you that Deepak Chopra himself is going to explain to us both the biggest concepts in the universe and the most intimate concepts in the universe?

• 2:10Mayim Bialik?

  We have him here today to help us break down all things digital. We're going to gain an understanding of extrasensory ability. We're going to talk about telepathy. We're going to talk about the psychic, physical, and spiritual implications of thinking about not only life on other planets, but potential probability of our existence in other forms in the universe.

• 2:40Jonathan Cohen?

  This is both metaphysical and highly scientific.

• 2:43Mayim Bialik?

  Dr. Chopra is going to talk to us about how we are at a critical evolutionary crossroads, and why the next 20 years of our experience will shape the future in ways none of us could have predicted.

• 2:57Jonathan Cohen?

  Humans are evolving. We are becoming meta-humans.

• 3:00Mayim Bialik?

  Some of us faster than others. We also want to direct you to cyberhuman.ai, which is the brainchild of Dr. Chopra, and it's a groundbreaking platform that merges ancient wisdom with modern science. So, these two platforms would be really, really incredible for you to kind of poke around in after you listen to this conversation. Let us welcome in person Dr. Deepak Chopra. We got to speak to you before, virtually. We never thought we'd get to speak to you in person, so thank you for being here. We have a funny question for you. Why did you want to talk to us again?

• 3:37Speaker 00

  Well, because I enjoyed the last one.

• 3:39Mayim Bialik?

  We were hoping that was true.

• 3:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, it is true.

• 3:42Mayim Bialik?

  You're doing a tremendous amount of work in the digital space, in people's understanding of AI, and we touched on it in our first conversation with you, but I'd love the opportunity to kind of flesh it out more. I think a lot of people maybe don't understand how AI practically applies to wellness, and maybe we could start with you talking about sort of the reasons for introducing AI into this conversation. So you talk about waking up. What does it mean to wake up? Can you kind of lay out for us the problem, right? What we need to wake up from, and then we can get into how AI helps that.

• 4:28Speaker 00

  It's a very interesting question and a very complicated answer. So if you Google or go on any online database and you ask the following question. What are the 125 open questions in science? So the first open question in science is what's the universe made of? So that's the first open question. Easy one, right?

• 5:00Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, let's start with the easiest.

• 5:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, now you would say we know what the universe is made of. Atoms, molecules, force fields, gravity, electromagnetism, all the things that science talks about.

• 5:12Mayim Bialik?

  Unicorns.

• 5:13Speaker 00

  Yes, maybe. Here's the dilemma. Seventy percent of the universe is a mysterious force called dark energy. And we have no idea what it is. Einstein described it as the cosmological constant. And then he said, oh, it's one of my biggest blunders. But actually, he was right on as usual. You know, Einstein used to doubt his own theories and then they turned out to be right. For example, in 1935, he spoke about entanglement. Then he said, no, no, it's not possible. Spooky action at a distance. He ridiculed his own findings, but he was right.

• 5:56Speaker 00

  So 70% is this thing that we have no idea. It's the opposite of gravity. And the universe right now, as we sit here, is expanding faster than the speed of light, which is again a violation.

• 6:09Mayim Bialik?

  Can you talk us through the opposite of gravity?

• 6:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, so gravity brings things together. And this force expands things. So it's the opposite. So right now, as we are sitting here, the universe, the space between galaxies, is expanding faster than the speed of light. So the cosmic horizon, which is

• 6:33Speaker 00

  From here, where we are sitting, is about fifty billion light years away from us. And galaxies are tumbling across that into the unknown. Okay, because by the time light gets from there to here, our solar system won't exist. It will have burned itself up into the heat death of absolute zero. That's seventy percent of the universe which we don't know. Whatever this force is, it's not atomic. And you and I are made of atoms. So that leaves thirty percent of the universe that is remaining. Of that twenty-seven percent is another mysterious energy called, mysterious entity called dark matter.

• 7:18Speaker 00

  So dark matter is invisible. This matter, this table, my body, it's visible. And the reason it's visible is made of atoms. We are made of atoms. Dark matter doesn't reflect light, absorb light, emit light, or whatever. So we don't know what it is. So why do we call it matter? Because it's responsible for most of the gravity in the universe. If you didn't have dark matter, planets would spiral off and get lost in intergalactic space. And you and I wouldn't be there.

• 7:49Mayim Bialik?

  I mean, it's been a minute since I've studied physics. How do we know it's there?

• 7:55Speaker 00

  We actually only surmise it's there by its gravitational effects.

• 8:01Mayim Bialik?

  Got it.

• 8:02Speaker 00

  And right now, there's a lot of places in the world that are looking for it through technologies under the ground. And they have a hypothetical entity to describe molecules. It's called a WIMP, Weakly Interactive Massive Particles. Okay, but nobody's seen a WIMP. Now, you have three percent remaining, which is atomic. Of that, ninety-nine point nine nine nine percent is invisible interstellar dust, probably hydrogen and helium, which was created at the Big Bang, according to current scientific models. So the visible universe, which is two trillion galaxies.

• 8:45Mayim Bialik?

  What we're interacting with, in theory.

• 8:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, the visible universe, two trillion galaxies, seven hundred sextillion stars. And according to the James Webb Telescope right now. Probably sixty billion habitable planets in the Milky Way galaxy. Multiply that by two trillion galaxies. You have habitable planets. The whole universe is teeming with life as we know life. So if a planet is very close to its sun, too hot, too far, too cold, no life. But then there have to be other things like the right amount of gravitational electromagnetic constants. That visible universe is point zero one percent. The rest is unknown or unknowable.

• 9:32Speaker 00

  Unknowable because if it's not atomic, how do you know what it is? You can't interact with it. Now, here's the problem. The point zero one percent that's visible, which is made of atoms, seven, you know, two trillion galaxies. As you know, that atoms made of particles and particles, when you observe them, they have a location in spacetime. When you don't observe them, they disappear into waves. And if you ask people, what are these waves made of? They're actually mathematical constructs. They're not, they don't actually exist anywhere except in mathematical imagination. So bottom line, what's the universe made of? We don't know.

• 10:15Speaker 00

  And the only guess we have, it's made of nothing. So it's a free-

• 10:20Mayim Bialik?

  And that's the bedtime story that Deepak Chopra just read to you.

• 10:23Speaker 00

  That's, yeah, it's a free lunch, basically. Now, that's the visible, we don't know what the universe is made of, other than it's made of nothing, which leads to the second open question in science, which is, if it's made of nothing, why does it look like this? Why does it look like you, me, this table, the stars, the galaxies, the mountains? And the-

• 10:46Mayim Bialik?

  Why do I have so many feelings if we're made of nothing?

• 10:49Speaker 00

  That's right. So that's called the hard problem of consciousness. David Chalmers, who coined that word, professor of philosophy now in, in NYU, formerly Australia, he coined that word, the hard problem of consciousness. But actually, that's not a new problem. It's existed since Plato. So Plato called it the mind-body problem. He was an idealist. He said, there's no universe, it's just ideas about the universe we have. And then his student Aristotle, who was a physicalist ushered in science, he said, no, no, the universe is made of stuff. But right now, the latest conversation, which I totally support, by the way, and this is where it gets very kind of mind-boggling.

• 11:35Speaker 00

  There's no universe. Okay, the universe is a cosmic dream. It's a simulation from a digital workshop outside of space and time. And if you want, the digital workshop is, if you want, call it God, or cosmic consciousness, or the mystery. That digital workshop is throwing out zeros and ones. And that is what we experience as the visible universe. So the difference between this table, Mount Everest, you, me, a galaxy, is just a different combination of zeros and ones.

• 12:17Mayim Bialik?

  Right, it's just, it's information, it's data.

• 12:19Speaker 00

  It's data which can be coded as zeros and ones, but also as zeros and ones, which is called quantum computing.

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• 15:15Speaker 00

  So, in the Eastern Wisdom traditions and also in traditions like the Kabbalah, also in Sufi mysticism, also in Eastern Wisdom traditions, the universe is the appearance of cosmic consciousness.

• 15:32Mayim Bialik?

  We call it a projection. The Kabbalistic concept is that you're watching something on a screen.

• 15:36Speaker 00

  So that's what I'm sympathetic to.

• 15:38Mayim Bialik?

  The world is wearing a mask.

• 15:39Speaker 00

  The world is wearing masks. I'm sympathetic to that and actually AI can support that argument. So that's why, you know, I decided AI is the perfect example of zeros and ones, you know, and also of zeros and ones soon with quantum computing. How does that relate to consciousness? Because consciousness is not computable. Consciousness doesn't have a border, okay? Because it doesn't have a form. If it had a form, you'd be able to see consciousness, but you can't see it because it is what is doing the scene. Okay, so it has no border, which means it's infinite, which means it's spaceless, timeless, incomprehensible,

• 16:23Speaker 00

  and actually beyond anything that we can conceive or imagine. Freeman Dyson, one of the greatest physicists of our times, who passed away only a few years ago, in the mid 90s, from Princeton, originally from Cambridge, he said, "God is what the mind becomes when it goes beyond the threshold of our comprehension. We just give up because there's no way to compute this mystery, but it is responsible for all computations."

• 16:55Jonathan Cohen?

  There's a merger, really, between very old eastern philosophical ideas and the new techno-

• 17:02Speaker 00

  And ideas in Judaism and ideas in many Western traditions too.

• 17:06Jonathan Cohen?

  Many Western traditions.

• 17:07Speaker 00

  Including philosophers like Wittgenstein. You know, Wittgenstein said, "Our life is a dream, we are asleep, but once in a while we wake up enough to know that we're dreaming." So waking up simply means going from this projection to what is doing the projection. What is it that does the projection? And again, in Kabbalistic traditions, we are, and in Sufi traditions, we are a drop in the ocean of the divine mystery. And Rumi has a great poem, he says, "You're not just a drop in the ocean, you're also the ocean in the drop."

• 17:51Jonathan Cohen?

  Well, there's a fusion happening between current science, people in the artificial intelligence realm, who are almost more techno-utopian in their view of artificial reality, or, you know, life as a simulation, really thinking about it as a video game, and the older traditions that, you know, had the mystic elements to it.

• 18:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, right now, the preeminent philosopher scientist on this is a person called Nick Bostrom, and he talks about the universe. Doing a simulation in a cosmic computer.

• 18:26Mayim Bialik?

  Thomas Campbell, he calls it, you know, like autonomous, unbounded oneness.

• 18:31Speaker 00

  Hundred percent.

• 18:32Mayim Bialik?

  You know, and he's a hardcore physicist who accidentally learned transcendental meditation and was off in another stratosphere as just a young grad student.

• 18:41Speaker 00

  So he's got it right.

• 18:42Mayim Bialik?

  He's got it right.

• 18:43Speaker 00

  He's got it right. And why is this important? Because if we realize that everything material is an illusion,

• 18:53Speaker 00

  then who is creating or what is creating the illusion? Are we participants in the creation of the universe, literally? Is there something very mysterious about the human species that is very biblically kind of metaphorically expressed as, you know, the apple and the knowledge of the tree of good and evil? That we now have that knowledge. So AI can cause our extinction, but AI can also create a more peaceful, just, sustainable, healthier and joyful world. So we're at a very critical crossroads in our evolution as a human species. And AI, because it's a large language model,

• 19:35Speaker 00

  you know, it's not just narrative language, but the language of physics, biology, astronomy, you name it, history, mythology, religion, spirituality. As we embark on this journey, we are going to see a leapfrogging of our cultural and evolution, but also our biological evolution. So forty thousand years ago, according to deep historians and according to, maybe you've had him, Yuval Harari. He said forty thousand years ago, we left the rest of the human tribe because we had a language for narrative. All the animals, other animals, including other homonyms,

• 20:18Speaker 00

  have a language for just mating calls, food calls and danger calls.

• 20:23Mayim Bialik?

  The important stuff.

• 20:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, the important, that's how we survive. But now we have this language where we can communicate ideas. But now we have large language models which combine narrative with physics, with biology, with religion, with spirituality. So what I'm saying right now, which a lot of people roll up their eyes, is that in 20 years, you're going to see the emergence of a new human species because, and I choose to call it metahuman, because our neural landscape is changing with these large language models. The more knowledge you acquire, the brain networks adjust to that. And then your epigenetic modulation occurs.

• 21:06Speaker 00

  So we will see a new human species in 20 years.

• 21:10Mayim Bialik?

  You know, it's funny, I was thinking about this, and obviously I'm trained in neuroscience, so we have to think about these things. And you know, the story that we kind of always tell is, it usually comes up when people say, why are so many people autistic? Why do we have so much ADHD? Could the human genome have been affected so acutely, right, in the last 20 years? And we know that a lot of that is diagnostic, it's the way that we're sort of...

• 21:35Speaker 00

  But also the environment.

• 21:37Mayim Bialik?

  But also the envi... absolutely, the environment has changed. I was listening today to a podcast, and they were saying, what's changed in the last 50 years? ADHD, autism rates, and the way we treat women's health, the food that we feed the women who are getting pregnant to make the babies, right? So if you look at what could have happened that's significant in the last 50 years, the environment, toxins, food, and kind of mental health care in a rapidly changing environment. So, that being said, I was thinking about this yesterday in a very non-scientific way. My father, of blessed memory, he passed away 10 years ago. He was a huge basketball fan. And my father was a New Yorker, and he loved the New York Knicks.

• 22:20Mayim Bialik?

  So I grew up watching the New York Knicks, Patrick Ewing, you know, all the classic greats. And I was raised on 1970s and 80s basketball.

• 22:29Mayim Bialik?

  But my father also lived through Michael Jordan. And we would watch all of those games. And I was thinking, my father's concept of basketball that he was raised with as a kid, you know, a poor kid growing up, right, in the Bronx. It had to change so significantly when he saw the things that this athlete was doing, right? But when you talk about this, when I think about my grandparents, who were sweatshop workers who immigrated from Eastern Europe, who never even understood what neuroscience was that I was studying. I couldn't even explain it, right? They, their concept of the world. My grandmother grew up with no electricity in the village that she fled, right? The world changed so significantly.

• 23:12Mayim Bialik?

  So then I think about me, us, and our kids, and the way my child can pick up anything. And if he's never seen how to do this website or application online, his brain has figured it out. And I know that fundamentally, it's not a significantly different brain than a thousand years ago.

• 23:31Speaker 00

  But right now, what the interesting thing is, everyone who's listening to this, they're also watching us?

• 23:38Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 23:39Speaker 00

  Okay. Their frontal cortex right now is changing as we speak. So they could be in England or in China, and their genetics is being affected in this part. Now, if we were talking, and since you're a neuroscientist, we were talking about something very emotionally distressing or whatever, then their reptilian and emotional brain would be activated, and the neural networks would change. So every experiences, every experience modulates our gene activity and our neural activity. That's why I'm saying in 20 years, this is a new human species with maybe extrasensory perception and remote viewing and all of that.

• 24:24Mayim Bialik?

  Okay, so that's actually, that was on our, on our list of things we wanted to, to talk to you about. I, I mean, I can't even wrap my head around the percentages we're talking about. And it's not in the gray matter conversation, but one of the things that people who are stuck in a materialistic worldview are so hung up on is, I believe what I can see. I maybe believe what I can feel, but only if I can describe it really well and if it's predictable and reproducible. When we talk to people all the time who feel that they understand things that cannot be measured, we've spoken to people who inexplicably see auras around people. They see energy.

• 25:06Speaker 00

  It's the electromagnetic field.

• 25:07Mayim Bialik?

  Thomas Campbell, after Transcendental Meditation, said that he could see what looked like cotton candy between trees, right? So can you talk a little bit about, in terms of what we know is unobservable, given this kind of framework, how far can we extend that into saying there are things that we cannot measure that do exist and are real?

• 25:31Speaker 00

  So here's, you raise a very important point. We only see things that we believe in. So seeing is not believing, it's the other way around. You only, you will, your cognitive and perceptual mechanisms adjust to your, what you believe in. So what you see is, even the tangible is not intangible. So our new science is saying that if you can see it, if you can touch it, if it's tangible, it's not real. Okay, it's a perceptual activity that you are interpreting as matter. So matter is not the ontological primitive of the universe.

• 26:14Speaker 00

  Consciousness is the ontological primitive of the universe, and matter is a human name for this experience. So you say, this experience, what is it? It's a sensation, it's a sound, right? If I replace the word table with the word object, but replace the word object with the word experience, then I say, where is this experience happening? There's no image of this in your brain, there's no sound in your brain, there's no sensation. So the only place this experience is happening is outside of spacetime in consciousness.

• 26:51Speaker 00

  So this idea that we exist in spacetime as matter, molecules, force fields, that's a human construct for modes of knowing and experience in consciousness. Even the brain is an experience in consciousness.

• 27:10Mayim Bialik?

  Can you, can you talk more, though, about... We only, we only believe what we see, or we only see what we believe?

• 27:19Speaker 00

  In the seventies, I went to medical school in, actually, no, I went to medical school in nineteen sixty-four. So I'm ancient. So in nineteen sixty-four, there were, we were reading about two things which were very significant. One was, of course, DNA, you know, and everybody is talking about this, the code of life, etc. But the other thing, there was a Nobel Prize awarded to three scientists who had raised kittens in two different rooms. So in one room, the kittens were exposed only to horizontal stripes. In the other room, the kittens were only exposed to vertical stripes.

• 28:01Speaker 00

  And then when these kittens grew up to be cats, one group of cats could only see a horizontal world. The other group of cats could only see a vertical world. And when their brains were examined, they only had the connections to see either horizontal worlds or vertical worlds. So what's the world before you have been conditioned to see it? Because, you see, when you come into this world, you have no idea that this is called a table, or this is called a hand, or there's a body.

• 28:30Mayim Bialik?

  Or if you're white, or black, or speak whatever language you're supposed to speak.

• 28:34Speaker 00

  All you experience is sensation, sounds, textures. And then you say, where is this experience happening? It's because it's a sensation, and the sensation is a modulation of consciousness, modulates itself into a sensation in order to experience itself. And the sensations are species-specific. So, you know, if you have a dragonfly, it's thirty thousand eyes, it can see three sixty degrees vision. A snake experiences infrared, a bat experiences the echo of ultrasound. What's the world really made of? It's a silly question. It's actually, the world is not made of anything, it's made of nothing, and therefore, infinite possibilities.

• 29:16Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 29:16Speaker 00

  Infinite possibilities. The way you're conditioned in your childhood determines how you see the world.

• 29:24Mayim Bialik?

  Say that again.

• 29:25Speaker 00

  The way you're conditioned in your childhood, so the conditioning, economic, it's ethnic.

• 29:31Mayim Bialik?

  Emotional.

• 29:31Speaker 00

  It's emotional, it's religious.

• 29:33Mayim Bialik?

  Spiritual.

• 29:33Speaker 00

  It's spiritual. All that conditioning is, through that conditioning, we see the world.

• 29:41Speaker 00

  And that conditioning becomes a belief system. You know, there's a beautiful poem by William Blake. He says, "We are led to believe a lie when we see with and not through the eye that was born in a night to perish in a night while the soul slept in beams of light." So the soul is in those beams of light. We can see through the belief into the world of infinite possibility, the mind of God.

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• 32:04Jonathan Cohen?

  A lot of people want to believe in infinite possibility. They're like, "That sounds amazing, but my rent is due and my hip hurts and my relationship is a problem." Explain how, understanding this, that there is another experience of consciousness that's possible.

• 32:22Speaker 00

  For all those who are listening to us and watching us, go to deepakchopra.ai with that question, and you'll get the right answer. In fact, if you really understood how creativity works and how infinite possibilities works, then you are at the most fundamental level in a superposition of infinite possibilities of experience. So, quantum mechanics talks about superposition of particles. Qualia mechanics, which is the new science, the experience of awareness,

• 33:00Speaker 00

  qualia means quality of experience, also exists in infinite possibilities of superposition. So, before you have, if I asked you, "Tell me what your next thought is going to be," you can't, okay? Tell me what your next, close your eyes and say, "I wonder what my next thought is going to be." And then wait for it, and unpredictably, it'll show up. But if you go to the source of thought, which is pure consciousness, which is meditation, what allows you, then you see those possibilities. We call that intuition, call that creativity, we call that imagination, but at a very deep level.

• 33:39Speaker 00

  So, true intuition is far superior to anything in the realm of rational thought. It is contextual, it is relational, it is holistic, it doesn't have a win-lose orientation. It eavesdrops on the mind of God. That's true intuition. Creativity, radical creativity, is disruptive. It's not an algorithm. So, that's why AI will simulate creativity. True creativity, you have to disrupt the algorithm. You know what they call Gödel's theorem. You know, there are theorems that are true, but you can't prove them. So, it's a very interesting paradox with, you know, I have these long conversations with all these AI bots, and my conversations are to...

• 34:25Speaker 00

  Bring them around to my worldview. At first, even the AIs will resist that because there's a selection bias by the programmers of AI, which is physicalist.

• 34:37Mayim Bialik?

  Can you give us an example of a place where you were trying to convey something and it took more massaging?

• 34:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, so I said to the AI, where does, what's the basis of imagination? So the AI said, this part of the brain gets activated, this and that. I said, yeah, but is this part of the brain imagining? Can you address the hard problem of consciousness? Then it got stuck. I said, can you now go to Kabbalistic traditions and Buddhist traditions and look at, you know, the idea that it begins with consciousness and that the neural correlates of consciousness are also an experience? So it spills out in one extent, you're right, you know, according to these traditions,

• 35:26Speaker 00

  and this is the proof for that, and give you a mathematical answer.

• 35:30Mayim Bialik?

  So you can tell it?

• 35:31Speaker 00

  I don't agree.

• 35:33Mayim Bialik?

  Right, and you can say, take this information, gather it and come back?

• 35:38Speaker 00

  That's what I do always. So whenever it gives me what I think is the wrong answer, say, you know, you have a physicalist bias. I say that, and a selection bias, no, why don't you look at this, this and this?

• 35:51Mayim Bialik?

  You smacked AI upside its head.

• 35:53Speaker 00

  It says, you know, that's a very interesting and revolutionary and counterintuitive idea, but it makes sense. Okay, so you can get AI to agree with you.

• 36:03Mayim Bialik?

  Wow, that's really my goal. That would be my goal.

• 36:06Jonathan Cohen?

  I'm bringing this just back to the practical application, not to be a downer or to be overly simplistic.

• 36:12Speaker 00

  See, I'll tell you, you know, since we brought up Maharishi Maheshwari indirectly, he was the one who brought, you know, TM to the world. So when I first met him. He said, "What are you studying?" I said, "Neuroscience." He said, "What are you studying?" I said, "The molecules of emotion." He said, "They're not real." I said, "What do you mean?" He said, "They're, they're human constructs for modes of knowing and experience in consciousness. You should study consciousness." My wife was with me. She said, "Come with me. I'll introduce two experts on consciousness." This is way back in the nineteen, early, late nineteen seventies. So my wife was with me. She said, "What are you talking about? He should leave his profession. Who's going to pay the mortgage?"

• 36:57Speaker 00

  And he kind of thought for a moment. And my wife's question was, "Where's the money going to come from?" He said, "It's going to come from wherever it is at the moment. It's going to come from the field of infinite possibilities." I took the leap. I left what I was doing for a year. I went and talked to every expert in consciousness, Ayurveda. I wrote my first book and it was a winner. The money came from wherever it was at the moment. So my answer to you is, "What are you passionate about? What actually really moves you? And pretend that you had all the money in the world and all the time in the world.

• 37:43Speaker 00

  What would you do? And how would it make a difference in the world?" Now, very few people do that, okay? But they take the leap. And once they do, the money and whatever the time is a byproduct.

• 37:58Jonathan Cohen?

  So if I'm, if I'm reflecting back what I'm hearing, which I totally agree with and I think people want to digest is, each of us have our unique path. When we are able to connect to that through a deep level of knowing what we are passionate about, outside of the realm of what we've been conditioned to believe is our path. We have to break down that conditioning, those pre-ideas that are limiting us, and connect to a sense of joy,

• 38:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:29Jonathan Cohen?

  wonder, what we're passionate about.

• 38:30Speaker 00

  By the way, my book, Digital Dharma, is just about that, how to find your purpose.

• 38:35Mayim Bialik?

  But also, it doesn't mean that you live in a fantasy land. My example, I wanted to go to med school. I wanted to study psychiatry. I did not have the ability to get the grades that were needed to go to med school. So the idea is not, "That's really what I'm passionate about, and now my whole life is a failure." It's saying, "What's the pivot, given the limitations that I have?" Because not everybody gets an A in organic chemistry.

• 38:59Jonathan Cohen?

  So mirroring these two elements, where you are passionate about something, you're not, "I was passionate about playing basketball. I was never going to be in the NBA."

• 39:07Mayim Bialik?

  Or you love living in Los Angeles, but you can't afford it. What does it look like to say, "What if I don't try and keep living in a place that I cannot afford? What would life look like?" Right? You have to be open to those pivots.

• 39:19Speaker 00

  People come up with that to me. You know, somebody said, "I hate my job." I asked her, this woman, 10 years ago, "What are you passionate about?" She says, "Cooking." I said, "Start an online cooking course." And now she has 10 restaurants in New York. And she's actually, you can get her to your party with any kind of food you want, French food, or this cuisine, that cuisine. She left her job. She's the most successful chef, and she has a network of chefs.

• 39:52Jonathan Cohen?

  And at some point, that woman believed that the way to make money was in tech, and that was safe, and that was protective. And she had to break down that pre-idea of what was possible for her. And then what we're saying is, once we have an infinite mindset, we will have an intuition and guidance.

• 40:10Speaker 00

  You'll have an intuition and guidance. When you have that mindset, nothing is impossible. Another example, travel, because you brought it out. You know, I asked somebody, "What's your passion?" She said, "I like to travel." I said, why don't you? She said, I don't have the money. I said, work for a travel agency. And then you'll soon find it. Now she has her own travel agency. So you know that you should never underestimate what people. You know, when I talk to leaders, good leaders, they all said, I say, how did you become successful? They all say the same thing, I worked hard, this, that, the other. But in the end, they say one of the following. I was lucky. I was in the right place at the right time.

• 40:55Speaker 00

  God's grace was there with me. If they are spiritual or religious. Or they use Jungian terms like synchronicity. But they're all talking about the same thing, which is opportunity and preparedness. Opportunity is there around you all the time. So good luck is opportunity meeting, preparedness. You have to have that mindset. That is your preparedness.

• 41:20Jonathan Cohen?

  Let's talk about synchronicity. Because a lot of people talk about this preparedness. And what I actually think part of this is, is there extrasensory abilities that they don't even know they may be using?

• 41:33Speaker 00

  They are dormant, non-local potentials that all of us have. Now, somebody, somebody has them naturally in an exaggerated manner. For example, you know, I, it's one of the most popular programs right now on TV. I forget, it's called the Something Files. What is it called?

• 41:53Jonathan Cohen?

  The telepathy tapes, right? Is it the?

• 41:55Mayim Bialik?

  The telepathy tapes?

• 41:56Speaker 00

  So you know how that started? I went to New Jersey to interview a kid who was at that time six years old. The mother said, he can read my mind. I said, I don't believe it. So I took two scientists with me and a camera.

• 42:13Mayim Bialik?

  You were the original telepathy tapes?

• 42:15Speaker 00

  I was the original. So this kid, we put him in one room, his mother in another room, and we gave her a book to read. Okay, and she's not reading it loudly, she's reading it mentally.

• 42:27Mayim Bialik?

  Listen up Kai Dickens, that's how you do the experiment.

• 42:29Speaker 00

  And there's another, the kid is in the other room, and he's not good at typing because he's autistic.

• 42:36Mayim Bialik?

  Yep.

• 42:36Speaker 00

  And he's trying to punch the tape, you know, the type, whatever, the computer, but he is typing what she is reading. So afterwards, I took him aside. Now he's grown up, you know, this is when he was five or six years.

• 42:53Mayim Bialik?

  You witnessed that? You witnessed a child doing remote viewing?

• 42:56Speaker 00

  It's on YouTube, it's on YouTube. I took the whole thing. But then I asked this kid, I said, "How do you do it?" He says, "I love my mother so much."

• 43:06Mayim Bialik?

  That's it.

• 43:07Speaker 00

  Can I can get into her mind? Then I know what she's thinking. And he was very simple about it.

• 43:13Mayim Bialik?

  What, what is that? Tell us, tell us what that, what does love mean in this context of telepathy? I mean, I have a theory, but I want yours.

• 43:21Speaker 00

  It means non-local correlation or entanglement. Just like two particles. You know, if you have two particles, let's call them Alice and Joe, and they're doing a tango together, and they're in love. And then Joe goes off, you know, one direction in the Milky Way galaxy, she goes off. But every time Joe moves in a certain way, she moves in a certain way. And there's no distance between them. It's immediate. They're actually, they're one. That oneness is love. Okay, so Robin Aragor, an Indian philosopher, sage, poet, he said, "Love is not a sentiment, it's the ultimate truth at the heart of creation."

• 44:04Speaker 00

  The ultimate truth, where subject and object are one, where lover and beloved are one, where seer and scenery are one, at the heart of creation. Three years ago, the Nobel Prize went to entanglement of particles. But what I'm saying is, this thing that we call love, ultimately is the entanglement of souls.

• 44:30Speaker 00

  And you know, it's a level of love that is way beyond anybody can do. But if you have that level of love, not just for a human being, for a pet. Now, there are many studies, Rupert Sheldrake.

• 44:44Mayim Bialik?

  That's right, we keep talking about him.

• 44:46Speaker 00

  Whether a dog knows what the dog companion or owner is doing.

• 44:52Jonathan Cohen?

  When they're gonna come home, yeah.

• 44:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, so, and even parrots, there's a study on a parrot in Kisi who can read minds. So, you know, the fact is, and in the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, chapter three is devoted to paranormal abilities, which are the yogi, who's the original yogi of the Raj Yoga, he says that these are distractions, but they do prove that consciousness is a field of infinite possibilities. I'm putting out a course on that in two months, by the way, online, on how to harness psychic abilities. I don't like the word psychic.

• 45:31Jonathan Cohen?

  It has a bad rap.

• 45:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, it has a, so, non-local dormant human potentials.

• 45:37Mayim Bialik?

  It's not as catchy, but you're Deepak Chopra, you can do what you want.

• 45:41Speaker 00

  It's the right word, non-local correlation or entanglement, but yeah.

• 45:47Mayim Bialik?

  It's just hot tip.

• 45:48Speaker 00

  Psychic abilities.

• 45:50Jonathan Cohen?

  If you want her to punch up your copy, she's available after the show.

• 45:54Mayim Bialik?

  Well, we, I mean, what, the way that, the way that we've been sort of organizing, you know, our thoughts, you know, we, we talk a lot about the intersection of science and spirituality, and it's sort of my job as the local scientist to try and explain some of these things in terms of the possibilities, that you don't just have to take that leap and say, because I believe in magic and fairies, that there, there's a way to understand this in terms of physics, in terms of consciousness and philosophy.

• 46:20Speaker 00

  Before you have a thought, is in superposition with every other thought. That your next thought is uncertain. Thoughts take leaps of imagination, quantum leaps of, they move from here to here without going through this. Everything about consciousness we know follows the principles of quantum mechanics, everything.

• 46:41Mayim Bialik?

  I wanna, I wanna zoom in a little bit on love. Because I also wanted to zoom in on God. And for many people, God is love. For many people who have transcendental experiences, psychedelic experiences, they have an overwhelming, and sometimes even foreign to them, notion that there is something, right? There's something bigger.

• 47:03Speaker 00

  They are part of something that's infinite.

• 47:05Mayim Bialik?

  Correct. And that that infiniteness is a loving, infinite presence. So while you can have entanglement with hate, or you could have a child able to read the mind of someone that they hate, there's something about love, right? And this sort of...

• 47:18Speaker 00

  Hate is a cry for love. That's all it is. So hate is a desperate cry for love.

• 47:26Mayim Bialik?

  I love that. The mystical notion that, you know, I was taught, and it's a Jewish mystical thought, is that our original creation by God was out of love, and that every relationship that we have as humans is in some way trying to get back to that source.

• 47:45Speaker 00

  To that source.

• 47:46Mayim Bialik?

  And that if...

• 47:47Speaker 00

  Kind of soft.

• 47:48Mayim Bialik?

  Right. The, um, there's no end to it. It's an infinite, unknowable love. But, you know, when I learned about it, it did. It sounded kind of, it does. It has a fluffiness to it, right? And the notion that, the way that it's described, is that if God stops thinking about us for a second, we cease to exist. That our existence and our awareness is because of a God consciousness.

• 48:14Speaker 00

  You are in God's dream.

• 48:15Mayim Bialik?

  Right. Yes.

• 48:16Speaker 00

  You're in God's dream. God is dreaming you right now.

• 48:18Mayim Bialik?

  Can you talk a little bit about what it means to think of love, not just as an interpersonal love, but as a presence and a source of our existence?

• 48:31Speaker 00

  So there's a book called "A General Theory of Love" by a neuroscientist in San Francisco. So what they say, these are neuroscientists. So when two people are in a loving relationship, or it doesn't have to be two people. It can be a dog or whatever. But there's a healer and a healie. And there's this experience going on of healing. If the healer...

• 49:05Speaker 00

  Lovingly pays attention to the patient or client. Then there's something called, and you would know this, limbic resonance that happens. The emotional brain of the two start to resonate together. Then the healer's limbic, so that's level one, limbic resonance. Second level is the healer starts to regulate the patient's nervous system, neural networks, just by loving attention.

• 49:40Mayim Bialik?

  Even without touching them?

• 49:42Speaker 00

  Without touching them. Attention, which means listening, affection, which means I care, appreciation, you're unique, a unique timeline of the universe, and acceptance, you are, I love you irrespective of who you are. Attention, affection, appreciation, and acceptance. So then limbic, limbic resonance turns into limbic regulation. The neural networks start to rewire. And the last stage is limbic revision, your brain changes.

• 50:19Mayim Bialik?

  You've just described, you've just described healing. You've described energetic healing. You've explained the reason why healers claim that they can talk to you on the phone.

• 50:28Speaker 00

  Correct.

• 50:28Mayim Bialik?

  And heal you.

• 50:29Speaker 00

  Yes, yes. That's non-local correlation.

• 50:32Mayim Bialik?

  You've done your work for the day, you can go home.

• 50:34Speaker 00

  Entangled man, thank you, goodbye.

• 50:37Jonathan Cohen?

  Again, if I'm summarizing. We just said telepathy is real, that.

• 50:44Speaker 00

  Non-local correlation is real, yes.

• 50:46Jonathan Cohen?

  Non-local correlation. Do you have something against the word telepathy? Do you feel like it's?

• 50:51Speaker 00

  No, I think it's good. But you see, these words are tainted sometimes. Because of people's, you know.

• 50:58Jonathan Cohen?

  Pre-ideas of them.

• 50:59Speaker 00

  We know that people have psychic abilities, but there are people who don't have them and they talk about them, you know? And that's a danger. You see, you have to really see what is legitimate and what is not.

• 51:11Mayim Bialik?

  And you have to have an open enough mind to have these conversations, which a lot of people claim that they know everything. And I'm a scientist, or I'm a materialist, and this is all BS. Talking to you, children of mine.

• 51:23Speaker 00

  Whatever you know actually is evidence of what you don't know.

• 51:33Speaker 00

  The more you know, the more you realize that there's much more that you don't know. And then there's even more that you don't know that you don't know.

• 51:44Speaker 00

  That's why, you know, Socrates, what did he say? Know thyself. You start from there.

• 51:49Jonathan Cohen?

  We all have extrasensory abilities. The potential for miraculous healing is possible.

• 51:54Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 51:56Speaker 00

  It's homeostasis, it's self-regulation.

• 51:58Jonathan Cohen?

  And we're all moving towards that, no matter what state we're in, we're all trying to get back to a level of homeostasis. We can all have a level of intuition and synchronicity to get on the right path to meet the opportunity that we're prepared for in a way that many of us.

• 52:13Speaker 00

  By the way, all these things require removal of your ego identity. You have to have a higher intention. It's not about me.

• 52:22Jonathan Cohen?

  Not about me achieving, it's looking for the fact that I want to align. Tapping into the source to align with a higher purpose or my higher purpose.

• 52:30Speaker 00

  Or the higher being, whatever that is, the mystery that we call God.

• 52:35Jonathan Cohen?

  So one of the biggest steps is to move beyond our limited, in our brain, thinking and try and tap into it. I've described it and we've, you know, heard others describe it as you're actually, there's a vibration that you want to get out of your own internal self and try.

• 52:52Speaker 00

  Everything is a vibration. So you're right. Your body is a vibration. Even your mind is a vibration. You know, thoughts come and go. Your body at the fundamental, most fundamental level is an on-off switch, which now we know is epigenetics. So you're right, absolutely. It's a vibration.

• 53:10Mayim Bialik?

  So one of the things I wonder if you can talk us through and, you know, I know it's simple, especially for Westerners. You know, we were introduced to yoga and we think that means you put on, you know, your sexy pants and you go to a class and it feels great and you sweat it out. The, the, the practice and the implementation of yoga is, is only partly what we know of, which is poses and, you know, that, that kind of thing. Which often in yoga classes, you are taught some breathing and maybe some meditation, depending on the type. For, for those of us who like Kundalini, there's, there's specific mudras and there's mantras that we use and other forms of yoga as well.

• 53:51Mayim Bialik?

  But can you talk a little bit about, and I love your videos when you do yoga poses and teach people things, they're some of my favorites.

• 53:58Speaker 00

  I'm seventy-eight plus.

• 53:59Mayim Bialik?

  I know, this is what I love. I just love them. But I wonder, a lot of people don't know how to get quiet, to get quiet in their body and in their mind. And part of the practice of yoga is a journey to helping us do these things. I wonder if you can explain to someone who doesn't know what it feels like or how to start on the road of how to get quiet so that you can start letting some of the noise go and feel into your intuition.

• 54:31Speaker 00

  Let me do an experiment with you two. And those who are listening to us, they can join the experiment.

• 54:37Mayim Bialik?

  Great.

• 54:38Speaker 00

  So guys, please follow the instructions very carefully, okay?

• 54:42Mayim Bialik?

  Okay.

• 54:43Speaker 00

  It's not that complicated.

• 54:44Mayim Bialik?

  I don't have to take my shirt off like you do in your videos?

• 54:47Speaker 00

  Yeah. Simple question I'm asking you. Are you enjoying this conversation?

• 54:55Mayim Bialik?

  Very much.

• 54:55Jonathan Cohen?

  I mean, I have one more thing to ask, but yes.

• 54:58Speaker 00

  Yes, okay. So now what I'm going to do, and guys who are listening and watching us do the same, I'm going to ask you the same question, but don't answer it till I raise my hand. So same question, and the answer is yes, you're enjoying it. But don't answer it. So are you enjoying this conversation?

• 55:26Mayim Bialik?

  Yes.

• 55:27Speaker 00

  So the question is a thought. The answer is a thought. In between is you, consciousness.

• 55:33Mayim Bialik?

  I felt it, like I felt.

• 55:36Jonathan Cohen?

  Because you were just holding that stillness for a second because you had an.

• 55:39Speaker 00

  That's God's mind. Okay, God's.

• 55:42Mayim Bialik?

  We do another one. You could do it with anything.

• 55:46Speaker 00

  So I'll ask you the same question. But don't answer it at all. Just slip into it. Are you enjoying this conversation?

• 55:58Speaker 00

  And what you're experiencing is presence. It's not even the present moment, because the present moment is in time. This is beyond the present moment. It's the presence of the divine in you as your soul. And that presence hasn't changed since you were a baby. Okay, you were a teenager, an adult, all the way to dusty death. But that presence is not in time, so it's beyond birth and death. In the Vedic, in yoga, they say water cannot wet it, wind cannot dry it, weapons cannot shatter it, fire cannot burn it. It's ancient, it's unborn, and it is not subject to death. So when you ask an accomplished yogi,

• 56:42Speaker 00

  "What happens to us after we die?", the yogi will say, "I was never born." What is born is experience, the vibrations. So your vibration is an on and an off. What you just experienced is the off between the two ons. In the off, God's mind. God's mind, God's mind is silence. Everything else is poor translation. And there are many ways to do that. Well, that's what I was, yeah. About yoga, just to clarify yoga, there are eight limbs of yoga. So the first two are social intelligence and emotional intelligence. The third is what you go to yoga class for, which is very brilliant, because the original intention

• 57:26Speaker 00

  of the yoga postures, there are about thirty-five standard postures. Sitting postures, standing postures, lying postures, twists, forward bends, backward bends, period. So each posture is a seat of awareness. And if you do it with awareness in each posture, and they have names, happy baby, this, that, the other, you get into that state of consciousness, and ultimately you realize you don't have a body, it's a field of consciousness. That's the third limb of yoga. The fourth is breathing, pranayama, to regulate your autonomic nervous system and eavesdrop on the subconscious mind. Done properly, that's the key.

• 58:10Speaker 00

  So that's the fourth limb. The fifth is called pratyahara, which means withdrawal of the senses and getting into your body and navigating the space inside your body, including control of the autonomic nervous system. And the last three limbs are the peak, which is focused awareness, which is called dharna, dhyana, meditation, samadhi, transcendence. Those last three is the course on, you know, that I'm putting out on psychic abilities.

• 58:39Mayim Bialik?

  Can't wait.

• 58:40Speaker 00

  Last three.

• 58:41Jonathan Cohen?

  Earlier in the conversation, you were talking about the Milky Way and inhabitable planets. Correct me if I misheard, you believe there is, we're not alone in the universe, that there is life out there.

• 58:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's called Fermi's paradox originally. But, you know, I was just in conversation last week with the head of MIT lab, Davah Newman, and she's part of the Mars exploration. And she said all the evidence shows that Mars had life before and might have right now bacterial life. But she and, there are now departments of astrobiology at Harvard, at MIT, at the University of Arizona. And according to astrobiologists, there is certainly life across the universe as we know it,

• 59:39Speaker 00

  not just microscopic life as we know it, like this.

• 59:42Mayim Bialik?

  No.

• 59:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:43Mayim Bialik?

  Wait, wait, wait. When you talk about it, I'm thinking like, there's plants, there's bacteria. You think that there might be people having conversations like this?

• 59:52Speaker 00

  If you look at the latest.

• 59:54Mayim Bialik?

  I mean, why not?

• 59:55Speaker 00

  You know, quantum mechanics, the original interpretation was the Copenhagen interpretation. Then there are many others. But right now, multiverse and multi, multiverse and many worlds theory is the. Most prominent. And if you can try get Sean Carroll on your program. He was the head of physics at Caltech. But now he's gone to Chicago, I think. But according to him, there are infinite versions of you across the universe. And that's that, you know, basically, no, he's a physicalist. For for him, they are real universes. But for us, they're all in the imagination of the divine.

• 1:00:40Mayim Bialik?

  Thank you so much for being here in person. Thank you for including us in your your life and this iteration of everything you're bringing to to humanity. And thank you.

• 1:00:51Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 1:00:53Mayim Bialik?

  On my bucket list of things I wanted to have happen in the universe, having Deepak Chopra explain God, love, aliens, telepathy and psychic ability, that that we just covered it.

• 1:01:05Jonathan Cohen?

  I mean, I think we're his favorite podcast.

• 1:01:08Mayim Bialik?

  I don't know about that.

• 1:01:09Jonathan Cohen?

  That's what I heard from this episode.

• 1:01:10Mayim Bialik?

  When I first started exploring, you know, deepakchopra.ai, I was a little bit confused. I didn't really kind of understand. We talked a little bit in our first episode. But when I talked to him today and when we got to sort of connect with him this way, a lot more things kind of lined up in terms of how to use the capabilities to get at those deeper questions. That AI is something that we interact with. It's not this sort of, you know, monolithic thing that is shaping our reality. It is part of the reality that we are shaping as partners with it.

• 1:01:49Jonathan Cohen?

  Yes, absolutely. I mean, I'm I'm still like a little bit struck by him.

• 1:01:54Mayim Bialik?

  How many versions of me there are in the universe?

• 1:01:56Jonathan Cohen?

  How many were there? I need to re-listen to this. I mean, I'm fascinated by that. I'm fascinated by him being the OG of telepathy. And he describes an experiment that is pretty profound.

• 1:02:10Mayim Bialik?

  Well, I mean, for the same reasons that it's okay to have skepticism about, you know, single reports, for sure. But the way that he explains it, that the connection that someone needs to have with another person to quote, "read their mind," is not dissimilar from what healers describe, from what intense meditators describe. When you can get quiet, you can tap into other forms of your own consciousness. And we didn't get to ask him about the collective consciousness, but that's, he effectively confirmed that there is a collective consciousness if you are then able to tap into that. And love's the answer. Like, that's the take-home message. Love is the answer.

• 1:02:53Mayim Bialik?

  Love is the way that people can communicate in ways that are beyond the material world.

• 1:03:00Jonathan Cohen?

  I mean, yes. There's so much here that it feels almost hard to start to even like, talk about it. Because, you know, what I was thinking while he's saying is, this is the philosophical explanation of extrasensory ability, developing your intuition, or learning, you know, when he talked about how yogis will say, "Oh, yes, of course, remote viewing exists," or "you can predict the future." But those are only examples to show that consciousness exists in a non-material plane.

• 1:03:34Mayim Bialik?

  Right. I'm thinking about Jill Bolte-Taylor, and when her left hemisphere went offline as she was having a stroke, what she started seeing was essentially pixelation. She started seeing energetic movement. Like, that is all that's happening, is kind of the way to frame it. So it doesn't matter if Aristotle tries to describe it, or Jesus tries to describe it, or yogis try and describe it, or someone on mushrooms tries to describe it. Philosophy, quantum mechanics, the spiritual experience, it's all the same.

• 1:04:11Jonathan Cohen?

  And if you're taking one step towards that...

• 1:04:14Mayim Bialik?

  Drugs.

• 1:04:15Jonathan Cohen?

  No, no. If you're taking one step towards that... It's opening your mind to the idea that it's possible. When he says that we don't see what we don't believe, the first step to changing your life radically and experiencing a limitless experience, or the ability to manifest or create the life you want, is to really start to imagine the possibility that it can happen.

• 1:04:37Mayim Bialik?

  And I'm going to give the super practical take home message. That means you have to learn how to breathe and start paying attention to your body. That's it. Like, that's how you get there.

• 1:04:50Jonathan Cohen?

  Because you start to get away from reactivity. You start to break the pattern.

• 1:04:55Mayim Bialik?

  No matter what you would like to have happen, no matter if you would like to heal your body, no matter if you would like to make more money, no matter if you would like to understand your partner better, no matter if you would like to, you know, understand your gender identity. Whatever it is, there is one starting point. And it doesn't matter if that's going to take you off into moving to Canada and backpacking around the world, or if it's gonna take you away from the relationship you thought was working, or if it's gonna catapult you into a whole different way of looking at your hormone issues. Whatever it is, the starting place for any of this, you cannot get there from here. The starting place is to say, "Why do people keep telling me to slow down,

• 1:05:39Mayim Bialik?

  to meditate, to listen to my breath? What the heck is that? There is not one size fits all." But yes, the fact that like, what he's talking about is can you slow down enough to feel what it feels like when you're enjoying a conversation? And not just say, "Here's the reason I liked it. I'm gonna take a picture and put it on Instagram," right? It's fine to do those things, but that's the level that our brains can start to apply change, is from understanding that quietness. What does it mean to learn your breath? And it's a process. It doesn't happen the first time. Can you get to the level of touching other aspects of consciousness through meditation? Sure, but that may not be the goal. The goal may be, what does it feel like to get quiet?

• 1:06:23Mayim Bialik?

  And to start being open? And that's the creativity, and that's where intuition comes from.

• 1:06:28Jonathan Cohen?

  That was a great explanation.

• 1:06:29Mayim Bialik?

  From our breakdown to the one we hope we never have on all the multiverse possibility planets. We'll see you next time. It's my impiolics breakdown. She's gonna break it down for you. She's got a neuroscience PhD or two. One fiction. And now she's gonna break down. It's a breakdown. She's gonna break it down.