Dr. Robert Malone - "The Fight Has Just Begun” — Dr. Robert Malone on MAHA, Censorship & The Future of Truth

Inside ACIP: How Vaccine Recommendations Are Made - Brian Rose of London Real with Dr. Robert Malone Watch The Full Episode: http://londonreal.tv/malone Dr. Robert Malone joins Brian Rose to expose the battle over truth, censorship, and the rise of MAHA (Make America Healthy Again). 💥 From silenced voices to digital control, this explosive conversation dives deep into the war on free speech and the future of independent thought. 🧠 Is truth under siege? 💬 Can health freedom prevail? Don’t miss this powerful episode that challenges the mainstream narrative and sparks a movement. 🚨 Learn To Make Money In Crypto: 💰The Investment club: https://londonreal.tv/club 💰Crypto & DeFi Academy: https://londonreal.tv/defi

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  The pharmaceutical industry has integrated psychological warfare technology and tactics as a routine part of their daily marketing.

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  What has Bobby been able to get done? What's slowing him down?

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  They're coming at him fast and furious. He's surrounded by staff that may put on the smile to your face, but then turn around and stick the knife in your back as soon as they get an opportunity.

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  You and I both experienced massive amounts of censorship, even though there's some bumps in the road. I'm confident we'll have our channel back on YouTube.

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  I had two FBI agents show up here at the farm. They wanted to talk about what I'd experienced during the last five years in terms of censorship, the shadow banning, the small rooming. They've been authorized to begin investigations about that stuff.

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  Talk to me about the book, SciWar: The Information War Behind the Pandemic. Is it hard to remind people of these concepts?

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  The tech is still deployed on a routine basis. Now it's going underground. It's a lot more subtle. They've come up with other euphemisms and structures to do the same kind of stuff with a happy face on it. It's important to count our blessings, count our wins, count Bobby's wins, count Trump's wins. Yeah, it took a lot of hits. I'm a better person for it. I'm prospering by adopting new strategies. And strangely, I seem to be being politically rehabilitated. Who would have thought that? And it's okay.

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  This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Dr. Robert Malone, the physician, biochemist, and inventor of mRNA vaccine technology, known worldwide for challenging the narratives that shaped the pandemic and for calling out the institutions that failed to protect us. You are the author of SciWar, a powerful new book exposing the psychological manipulation used during COVID-19 and a fierce advocate for restoring scientific integrity, health sovereignty, and government accountability. Your recent investigations reveal how global health policies are being shaped behind closed doors, from WHO power grabs to censorship regimes to post-vaccine safety signals that have been ignored or buried.

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  Through your work with the Maha movement and alliance with Bobby Kennedy, you're now fighting for a healthier, freer, and more transparent future, one where the people reclaim control from profit-driven bureaucracies and corrupt public health authorities. Robert, welcome back to London Real.

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  Thanks, Brian. I wish I could say it as well as you do, but I'm grateful for it in a neat case. It's certainly been an interesting five years now.

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  Oh, my gosh, that's to say the least. Well, look, you've been on the show many, many times, twice here in London with your wife Jill, while she's busy with the Substack, while you're in here with me. Your Substack's amazing, by the way, and so just thank you for those contributions. And then recently, I was extremely excited to read that you had been appointed as part of this new vaccine advisory panel by Bobby alongside one of our other former guests, Martin Kulldorff, who we had in the middle of all the madness when he published the Great Barrington Declaration. Of course, I texted you and you said, "Yep, Brian, now when the knives are coming out." And so I'm curious, tell us about this announcement, and tell me, what was it like with the backlash from the media? Because I saw the usual telegraphs

• 5:30Speaker 01

  and BBCs, they are all coming. And has that now passed? And now, are you able to move on? Or what has been the reaction to this announcement? And tell us about the announcement itself.

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  So just to set the scene, Brian, there had been talk with Bobby and others back and forth for about three months for how I might serve in the government. And I really did not want to take an administrative position. The idea of spending four years having to rent or buy a condo up in Rockville, time away from wife and farm, and frankly, spending four years being stabbed in the back on a daily basis by the DC in crowd was not my idea of a good time. So I was looking for some way I could serve the administration,

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  and particularly Bobby, but also President Trump. And this, two opportunities came up. One was to be what's called a special government employee, or SGE, which is what Elon Musk was, reporting to Bobby and providing advice across NIH, CDC, and FDA.

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  And so that vetting process started and went on for three months. It was really kind of amazing that the amount of discussion and vetting and analysis and forms to be filled in and blah, blah, blah. In about two thirds of the way through that, then the opportunity of possibly serving on the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices for CDC came up. Now, that's kind of inside baseball, or you might call it inside football in the UK.

• 7:27Speaker 00

  What the heck is the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices? So this is the mouse that roared. It sits as the, a chartered federal advisory committee. That's a special law the US government has that allows people to advise key administrators within the government, particularly in the executive branch. And in our case for the ACIP, we get the glorious compensation of $250 per day as an honorarium. So obviously, I'm doing this for the money.

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  And that was sarcasm, by the way, just to say. And this committee is chartered for two things. It's kind of a special one, a little unusual for a federal advisory committee. It advises the director of the CDC. And if she is not confirmed, which is the case currently, then that, those advice, those advisories go up to the secretary. So recently, just to give a little example, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices,

• 8:51Speaker 00

  while I was participating in their first meeting of this newly reconstituted group, voted to eliminate multi-dose influenza vials that have mercury-containing thimerosal.

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  And, and why that's a big deal with the pharmaceutical industry and why they busted a gut over that, I have no clue. All kinds of justification, but it left corporate media arguing in favor of adding mercury to vaccines, which is pretty much a loser. And this is a hot button issue that Bobby has been focused on for decades, going back to his time with water keepers, mercury in food, mercury toxicity, mercury in vaccines. It's what led him to the position at Children's Health Defense of being chairman of the board.

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  So what ACIP does is when FDA authorizes a product, a vaccine in particular, or something for infectious disease, at the next meeting, ACIP by charter must advise the director of the CDC on how that product is to be used. In other words, are we gonna recommend it for all children? Are we gonna recommend it for joint decision making so that physicians and parents and their children have to discuss whether or not to use it? Are we not gonna recommend it at all?

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  Just because the FDA authorized it for marking, marketing, we might, the ACIP might say, no, I really don't think the data are solid enough. So that's kind of the range of options. They take a formal vote on it. It goes up to the director of the CDC, or as I said, if there's no director, because it hasn't been confirmed, it goes up to Bobby, and then those recommendations are accepted. So who cares? Well, what happens is that those recommendations, in part, trigger a program called the Vaccines for Children Act in the United States, which purchases and distributes, so you could think of that as acquires and markets, if you're looking at it through the lens of pharmaceutical industry.

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  Vaccines to the poor Indian health community, those that don't, might not be insured for some reason, et cetera. So basically, it's a big buy that happens if the ACIP authorizes it and the CDC director concurs. Furthermore, a whole lot of nations all over the world, and I don't know, perhaps even the UK, are influenced by the decisions at the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, which is why I say it's the mouse that roared. It's really not that big in terms of the charter, and yet historically, it has set

• 11:59Speaker 00

  precedent for vaccine utilization, particularly in children, all across the Western world. So I find myself on this consequent to the secretary, I'm referring to Robert F. Kennedy Jr., having made a decision that the old ACIP that was largely drawn from the medical professional societies, or what a cynic might call the guild, was the source from which most of the ACIP members were drawn, and also many of the subcommittee members,

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  which is where the work really gets done. We're all drawn from these professional societies, and basically, you can figure out, if you're going to be compensated with an "honorarium of 250 a day," you've got to have some other source of income. And most of these folks are academics, or they're working for big hospitals, and being on the ACIP gives them a, punches their ticket for demonstrating that they're doing good community service and that they have international standing. So that's why they do it. But what the secretary noted was that this has, over time, become, I'll call it, infested.

• 13:23Speaker 00

  With chronic conflicts of interest, financial, organizational, funding, just a whole layers and layers of different ways that both these professional societies, which have their own interests, like pediatricians, like to give vaccines because it is a major profit center for them in the United States, unlike the UK system. Okay, so, and then pharma gets its nickel, et cetera, et cetera. So there's a whole food chain here having to do with cash flow. And I'll, I'll, we won't use the term corruption,

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  but let's say, clear and persistent conflicts of interest of a variety of different types. And so the secretary basically decided, I've had enough of this. This has been going on for years. There's so much evidence of it going on in this present board, which by the way, got packed at the last minute by Biden administration. So they put a bunch of new members on as they were heading out the door. And the secretary, in an unprecedented move, just retired all of them. And then appointed eight horse souls to stand in the breach, of which I was one,

• 14:42Speaker 00

  and get attacked by corporate media, academics, and the pharmaceutical industry surrogates as uninformed, anti-vaxxer, people with no background. Like, for instance, say, Martin Koldorff, who is the chair. I'm service the co-chair, according to Bobby. But Martin arguably is the top epidemiologist, we could say, in the world. Former full professor of epidemiology at Harvard and author of The Great Barrington Declaration, together with others, as you noted. Also, another luminary there is Ratsef Levy.

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  He just, he's totally unqualified, except for the fact that he is a full professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. And his specific focus is on identifying statistically risk and threat signals, particularly in vaccine products.

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  And we have a number of others, pediatricians, there's a psychiatrist, there is a nurse who's been on many of these committees before. So, there was eight appointed. One of them couldn't pass muster. He had, he was a very seasoned, I'm sorry he couldn't join, very seasoned clinical researcher as I am, so it was kind of like having a compadre on the, on the board. But, he's even more successful than me in that, he's got a huge stock portfolio. He's been working in industry for years, done quite well, and, basically, not, not

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  to put words in his mouth, but this is paraphrasing what he said to me, "There's no way I'm gonna work for $250 a day and have to sell all my stock." So, that, that was a nonstarter. So, we're down to seven. So, that's the context of what happened. And, yeah, there was just a ton of hate. Hate at Bobby, in particular. I, I liked, there's people on the committee that said, "You know why we like to have Malone here? Because the press all attacks Malone and they leave us alone." So, I, I, I'm like catnip for the likes of the Atlantic Monthly.

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  And they recycled a lot of the same authors that had been, had, had their round of punching me and hate back four years ago. Well, they, they kind of brought them back for a, a next round. And, it, it got pretty absurd. The, the whole narrative. But frankly, Brian, one of the amazing things in, in all this context, my Wikipedia page still doesn't say anything about being on the ACIP, and, and about the books or the Substack, but...

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  It's almost normal. It still says that I am a spreader of misinformation during COVID. And it cites this New York Times hit piece by Davy Alba. It was the last thing she wrote for New York Times. She was the disinformation beat reporter for the New York Times. So they still cite that. But they also, you know, say that I've been married to my high school sweetheart my whole life and a lot more kind of soft and squishy things. And it's a lot less, less full of hate. So there is some, some signs that I'm being politically rehabilitated.

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  But absolutely Bobby and I got a, a amazing cascade of hate mail, courtesy of both the UK and the US press. But then in the committee convened and we pretty much accepted everything that had been in the queue from the prior committee. The one thing that was new was this getting mercury out of influenza vaccines. And that didn't, the truth is it didn't go through the standard process. So that's a complaint. But we, we were all well aware of, of the data.

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  And we voted to, that, you know, dimersol or mercury containing preservative in multi dose influenza vials amounts to a total of 3%, woo, big number, of all the influenza vaccine doses administered in the USA. And the justification for all of the hubbub about this was that, well, the ACIP sets the standards for the world, including Africa. And so now, now African nations aren't going to be using multi dose dimersol vaccine vials and they're not going to be sticking needles into those vials again and again. I call that a win.

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  Furthermore, it's not the responsibility of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practice to set policy for Africa. It's the responsibility of Africans to set policy for Africa, right? That's a fundamental, going back to the touchstone of the Make America Great Again. Policies as well as make America healthy again is to to kind of turn down the volume on worrying about America as the

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  As as the policeman for the world in policy, a sensitive topic there in the UK and throughout the European Union and and the West. And I think that President Trump is is right on to be basically taking a position that Europe and the UK should be responsible for Europe and the UK. And the United States should mostly be responsible for the United States, still helping our friends. And that extends all the way down to our little tiny federal advisory committee on immunization practices. It's not our job to figure out how to fix the problems for vaccine administration in Africa, as far as I'm concerned.

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  Okay.

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  So there's a long-winded answer to your very short question.

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  Well, I thought it was an incredible headline and just really a powerful signal that Bobby was bringing in people like you and Martin. And I just, I like how he is just getting down to business. I wonder if you could tell me how you think Bobby has done in this first six months because fortunately, unfortunately, look, the news narrative coming out of the White House is, is fast and high-paced. And there's so much going on between the trade wars and AI and crypto and Tulsi and

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  Yes.

• 22:31Speaker 01

  Hegseth and Iran, that oftentimes I don't hear enough about what Bobby's doing. And combine that with the fact that legacy media is still taking potshots at him. It's hard to know what's actually happening with Bobby. I see him wheeled up in front of committee every now and then, and I love listening to his answers because I think he's one of the best at committee. But I'm curious, if you could tell us maybe, what has Bobby been able to get done so far? What's slowing him down? And maybe just as an objective view?

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  Well, slowing him down is an easy place to start.

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  Okay.

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  The headwinds at HHS and frankly, at CDC are enormous. The every single, and it's not just us, it's not just HHS, it's Tulsi Gabbard at DNI, it's CIA, it's, it's everything. It's, it's what Dr. Oz is encountering in the CMS or Medicaid, Medicare Services Program. The, you know, we're as, as you, if you followed the news when Elon Musk was still being a special government employee about the

• 23:50Speaker 00

  Budgetary cuts and in particular, the organization that has been handling a lot of, well, one American influencer, Mike Benz, put it this way. If it's too dirty for the CIA, they give it to USAID. Yeah. And I think that's a pretty good summary of what that's all about. So they've basically managed to eliminate USAID for the most part, which is enormous

• 24:35Speaker 00

  against huge headwinds. But all the other agencies, there's been a reduction in force or RIF, particularly under the Doge program. And that has been stridently resisted, basically using lawfare. So the perhaps not so loyal opposition, if you're following the latest headlines with Barack Obama and the former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. But we, the opposition has decided that the district court structure in the judiciary

• 25:18Speaker 00

  is the pathway to try to stymie progress in the executive branch. So this mirrors the lawfare, I don't know if that's a term of art in the UK, but it certainly is in the United States, where you just put out a blizzard of lawsuits to try to stymie the opposition, to drain their energy, to suck up their financial resources, et cetera, et cetera, that in various kind of...

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  Even more egregious versions of that were deployed against President Trump between while President Biden was in office, to a degree that I think is, I still am amazed by. So that strategy is now being used, together with the

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  consequences of the existing bureaucracy being heavily biased towards the Democrat and really the left

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  woke, is the term of art, agenda.

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  So, those people are, and their backers are kicking and screaming. They don't want to go out the door. They're doing everything they can, they're reaching to the unions to fight the layoffs, etc. And if you think about it, just process it for a moment. The truth is, the United States is facing a financial crisis, a fiscal crisis, due to the accumulated debt. And there aren't a whole lot of options, other than, you know, the general term, reduction in force. This is, I think, in the UK and Europe, you like to call it being made redundant. So, there are many options, other than that approach,

• 27:24Speaker 00

  to try to reduce bureaucratic burden and reduce the burn rate. I mean, you're involved in the financial community. Yeah. You know, if you're a CEO, and the company ain't bringing in what it needs to, to stay afloat, and it's just gradually accumulating debt, that's not a sustainable situation, nor is it a sustainable situation for the United States government. And so, Elon did a good faith effort to try to do something about it, but the people at all of these agencies, including the secretary, are surrounded by

• 28:10Speaker 00

  Staff that may put on the smile to your face, but then turn around and stick the knife in their, in your back as soon as they get an opportunity. And that makes it really hard. Bobby's in a position where he's not really sure who he can trust on a daily basis. And that's the truth from what I observe. I haven't asked him if that's the case, but that's what I observe. Uh, and he had some staff that uh seemed to have believed that it was necessary, as you, as you know, a chief of staff is an extremely powerful position in any organization because they control the flow of information to the ultimate decision maker.

• 28:52Speaker 00

  Whether it's the CEO or it's the secretary or it's the president. Chief of staff is a crucial position. So as are the deputy chiefs of staff in an organization. Remember, the US Health and Human Services as a division of the federal government is the largest of all. It's bigger than the Department of Defense. It is massive.

• 29:14Speaker 01

  Wow.

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  You know, Bobby, Bobby ended up not being president. Uh, but by God, he has got the lion's share of the grief. Uh, and, and he has people like Dr. Oz. Uh, and Jay Bhattacharya is up against all kinds of resistance at NIH. Uh, likewise, the appointed director of CDC hasn't even been able to get through the uh Senate confirmation process. It's another place where all this stuff. So like the second, third, fourth tier appointees that have to go through congressional approval for all these agencies, including HHS are all being slow-walked.

• 29:55Speaker 01

  Okay.

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  Uh, so he's sitting there, a bit of an island, surrounded by some, a small number of leadership folks to support him that have been really controlling the flow of information to him in a very significant way. And what I observe is that he's uh, using a lot of outside channels, frankly.

• 30:23Speaker 00

  To gather information and make decisions. Just to illustrate, I was at CPAC a few months ago, right after Bobby was confirmed. Walking up some stairs and suddenly I got a call. Robert, you know, in Bobby's characteristic horse way, uh, voice. And he asked me for, uh, advice on the fly. As he's about to go into a meeting. For, uh, proper management of the influenza virus H5N1, the bird flu virus. At a time when there was a egg crisis in the United States,

• 31:05Speaker 00

  ostensibly because of the, uh, mass killing of, uh, poultry flocks in egg layer operations. Now it turns out that wasn't really what's going on. Turns out that there was a scheme being run by the, some of the egg suppliers to withhold supply in order to put pressure on the administration. But there was just, the press was all in a tizzy about H5N1 and we have to kill all these birds. And they're going to kill all these ostriches up in Canada. And it was just one great big, uh, um, beer porn. Uh, you know, uh, uh, food fight. I, I, how to phrase it.

• 31:49Speaker 00

  Uh, so Bobby called me and I said, well, the H5N1 is indigenous in, uh, avian flocks, wild birds, migratory waterfowl. There is no way in hell. Unless you're going to do a scorched earth, kill all the birds campaign like Mao Tse-sung did, uh, with the Great Leap Forward. Um, and that didn't turn out so well. Uh, unless you're going to do that, you're never going to eradicate H5N1. And you really, it doesn't make sense to be massacring all these flocks. If anything, what you need to do is direct the money to breed more influenza resistant birds.

• 32:31Speaker 00

  But this mass culling is just not working. Uh, so he listened to me, went into the meeting. I don't know what happened behind the scenes, how the gears turned. But basically that became the policy. And oh, by the way, Brian, the other day I was in a subcommittee meeting with the CDC folks in the influenza branch, because I'm chair of the influenza subcommittee now. And I put the question to him, what about H5N1? Well, we did some great work, but yes, you're right. It all kind of just went away. So that's kind of how he's channeling.

• 33:13Speaker 00

  He's going to outside folks informally. Technically, that's not allowed. But so the resolution was that I ended up, I didn't know that I was going to be on the ACIP until Bobby announced it publicly. And then I started getting all these congratulations over X. So then I knew. And then I had to drop the special government employee thing, because you can't be a GUBBY and be on the ACIP. They have all these rules, Byzantine.

• 33:51Speaker 00

  So that's kind of how it's going is Bobby is in the middle of a thicken of challenges. They're coming at him fast and furious. He is doing, he is still, if you watch, and the guy whose boat I was just on in the Med is a very close friend of Bobby's. And Bobby was actually on that boat right before I was. That's where he took his vacation.

• 34:31Speaker 00

  And I was speaking to my colleague, my friend, and said, you know, I think Bobby has really grown into this job. I didn't think, I would not endorse him for president. I endorse Donald Trump.

• 34:48Speaker 01

  I remember.

• 34:49Speaker 00

  I thought that he didn't have the leadership experience chops to run the largest branch of the federal government. I mean, who would? He is a lawyer. He has been fighting against

• 35:09Speaker 00

  Big Pharma, Big Ag, Big Chemical, the Monsanto case. Pretty much ever since he had to do public service in the Hudson River Valley consequent to being busted for heroin back when he was in school. I mean, that's what got him going with Water Keepers. And then he's just progressed since then. He has enormous energy for somebody his age, but so does Donald Trump. The two of them are well matched, I think. And he has really grown into this job. He picks his battles.

• 35:51Speaker 00

  So you ask the question, what has he accomplished? To make sense of that from your side of the pond.

• 36:02Speaker 00

  One of the first things that President Trump did is through an executive order, he impaneled the Make America Healthy Again Commission, which is an all-of-government effort to address these fundamental drivers that are frankly reducing longevity in Americans. I mean, this is the big shocker, is that our children are going to lead, if we stay on this course, our children here in America are going to lead

• 36:46Speaker 00

  shorter, less healthy lives than their parents.

• 36:49Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 36:50Speaker 00

  That's just a bomb.

• 36:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:53Speaker 00

  And so the President, I am completely convinced the President is very committed, particularly to children's health. To some extent, I think this reflects Baron Trump.

• 37:08Speaker 00

  And his sense of protection of Baron Trump and his commitment to his son and his sons. His older family has prospered, but this really young child that, you know, is now a late adolescent, he takes children's health very seriously. So that's one of the places he's very aligned with the secretary. So they created this Ma Commission, and after 100 days, it came out with a document the likes of which the US government has never seen before, has never produced, which was

• 37:48Speaker 00

  a critical assessment of where Americans' health is at and what's driving the lack of health and what's driving the various factors, particularly environmental toxins. There was a lot of teeth gnashing in the base, that the vaccine issues weren't addressed as stridently as they wished that they were, but environmental toxins and a number of other things were highlighted in that. Now, one of the things that, in that initial report, which was basically a threat assessment,

• 38:29Speaker 00

  one of the things that was, personally, and I was invited to the White House when they rolled this out, they did the press announcement there, blah, blah, blah, and I'm watching from the third row, there was a clear attempt to reassure the agriculture committee, community in the United States, farmers, in part justified because, as the president said, farmers have supported me in every one of these three elections. So he has not only a deep attachment and commitment to children and children's health, but also to the agriculture community in the United States.

• 39:12Speaker 00

  And so personally, I felt like they kind of pulled their punches a little bit on big ag. And we have some agriculture practices that is forbidden in Europe, are forbidden in Europe and in the UK, like the use of, here's the sanitized term desiccance in harvesting wheat, soy and other grains. What that amounts to is because of policies in the 60s, get bigger, get out. We largely have lost the small farm. You have these massive farms. And but even

• 39:52Speaker 00

  more massive is the cost of the combines, the devices that are used to harvest the grain and the soybeans.

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  And the way the industry works is you basically have investors backing, you can think of it like a real estate investment trust, organizations that buy these very large, highly expensive bits of machinery that then schedule their harvest time so that they move from a large farm to large farm to large farm. And so the large farms have to be able to predictably dry their grain.

• 41:29Speaker 00

  Prior to the harvesters coming through as they've scheduled them. How do you do that? Well, you spray basically a pesticide on all your wheat or all your soybeans or all of your barley. And then it dies, it dries and these big harvesters come through. The consequence is that the vast majority of Americans and Canadians, by the way, have significant levels of glyphosate in their urine. Glyphosate is Roundup. It's produced by the Bayer Corporation that bought Monsanto. And so there is this tension just illustrated in the Make America Healthy Again movement.

• 42:15Speaker 00

  As because it's a all of government response. That, for instance, the Secretary of Agriculture really doesn't want to see glyphosate banned.

• 42:26Speaker 01

  Right.

• 42:27Speaker 00

  Or atrazine or other things that are important for the margins and the productivity. Because we still believe that we need to feed the world for some, you know, we're totally blind to the fact that by pushing high carb

• 42:44Speaker 00

  food precursors into island nations, the poor, Africa, et cetera. What we succeed in doing is destroying indigenous agriculture. Right? And substituting these low food value crap products that are, you know, high in polysaccharides, starch.

• 43:07Speaker 00

  But the government is still wedded to that. And that, and the belief that in order to maintain profit, yield, et cetera, we have to have these things. So that's just one example of kind of the tensions within the Maha Commission that exists. And but regardless, that report came out and it was the strongest statement, I think, from any government ever about toxins and the things that are impacting on public health. Now, people, you know, the complaint is, yeah, okay, fine. So now what? Well, that's the structure is that right now, people like Callie Means,

• 43:52Speaker 00

  who's another special government employee, had a lot of hate thrown at him.

• 43:59Speaker 00

  And his sister Casey, who's appointed as Surgeon General, but yet to be confirmed. So these people are now, in this next 100-day span, writing the action plan. So that's the next thing you're going to draw, see, draw up is the first one was the threat assessment. Now you're going to see the action plan, and then you're going to see deployment of that action plan. And by the way, the president for this commission gave as a directive to the secretary, "I want to see measurable improvements in the health of Americans within two years because, rimshot, that's the midterms."

• 44:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:41Speaker 00

  So they're very focused on stuff that we can do now, like getting artificial petroleum-based dyes out of our food stream, which you guys already did.

• 44:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:52Speaker 00

  You know, Fruit Loops in the UK are a pale product in comparison to Fruit Loops in the United States because you're not having a bunch of petroleum-based dyes put into your product because you've banned them. So that's just one example. The hot button at the moment is that Bayer, which kind of got a pig in a poke when it bought Monsanto, because the tsunami of lawsuits for damages associated with glyphosate hadn't

• 45:25Speaker 00

  yet, wasn't even close to cresting when they made the purchase. And now their, their stock is way down, their, their board is not amused, and they've hired a new CEO who is committed to taking back the profitability of Bayer and Monsanto and fighting back against the narrative that glyphosate is toxic. And so they've done this, this, you know, this is an illustration of how things work in this space.

• 46:10Speaker 00

  What they've done is that the lobbyists working for Bayer have taken a two-pronged approach to dealing with this. They're getting state legislatures to ban

• 46:27Speaker 00

  Any legal action

• 46:30Speaker 00

  having to do with pesticide liability. The U.S.

• 46:37Speaker 00

  the Environmental Protection Agency and the U.S. Department of Agriculture define glyphosate as a pesticide. You might say it's an herbicide. I say tomato, you say tomato. That's how they've defined it. And so they put in legislation, they've got it through in Georgia and one other state, that you can't sue these guys, which is very similar to the legislation, indemnification legislation that was pushed through for vaccines. Yeah. And we saw what happened then. And they also, in parallel, are doing the sneaky with the current budget bill, the omnibus bill that they're trying to jam through Congress,

• 47:22Speaker 00

  of slipping in a clause that will make it so that the EPA will lock in whatever guidance they have about toxicity, not be able to change it for pesticides, must disregard all of the scientific literature going back over a decade. Basically, they're working to get a federal indemnification bill that's retroactive so that they can shut down all these lawsuits and all these payouts and make it so that nobody can ever sue the pesticide industry and the herbicide industry again in the United States. Well, that is a direct,

• 48:06Speaker 00

  directly in opposition to the agenda for Make America Healthy Again. Yet it has the benefit of being backed by one of the largest chemical companies in the world and all of their dollars, very similar to the dynamics that go on with the pharmaceutical industry in the United States and drugs in particular, vaccines. Now, that was a long-winded response to a simple question. I'm sorry. I hope to help.

• 48:35Speaker 01

  No, that's super helpful. And look, we've heard about the food dyes from over here. That's something that actually cut through, you know, a lot of the media noise. And it looked like you were getting some compliance and voluntary phasing out of that by certain companies in America. It looked like some were pushing back. And again, they always compare over here, what we've done in the UK and Europe, and how surprisingly to most, you know, we have, you know, much cleaner food and we don't have a lot of these toxins. Funny is just a little anecdote. I took my boys to see grandpa in San Diego, and he rolled out the Cheerios, and they refused to eat them because they said they taste different. Now, I thought they were crazy. But then I started thinking that a lot of these standards are very different in the UK

• 49:19Speaker 01

  and the US. And I don't think there are dyes in that. But I first said, you guys are crazy. And then I said, maybe they're not so crazy from the mouths of babes.

• 49:26Speaker 00

  So a lot of the oats are also contaminated with glyphosate, by the way, because of this desiccant thing. Another key thing, Brian, that is a hot button right now is Bobby is pushing hard because, as we were talking in the pre-broadcast, Americans have gotten fat. Diabetes is an epidemic. It's an epidemic in children, diabetes and prediabetes. And the intake of highly processed sugar is a major contributor to that. And yet, the USDA historically, through the food pyramid, has been promoting sugar because there is a major sugar lobby.

• 50:07Speaker 01

  Right.

• 50:08Speaker 00

  And in particular, it's the sugar coming from corn and sugar beets, not even from sugarcane. So.

• 50:21Speaker 00

  Sugar is in almost everything, it was probably in those Cheerios that your kids are having. And it's a major contributor to this very significant health crisis that we're facing in the United States, having to do with diabetes. And so you would think, because here in the States, we have a Food Subsidy Act program. We call them food stamps, or SNAP, Special Nutrition. And so, one of the early things that the President and the Secretary did, because

• 50:57Speaker 00

  they found that they couldn't outright ban the use of high-sugar sodas through the SNAP program, but they could do it by getting states to do it. It has to do with states' rights in the United States. So, federal government couldn't just blanket say, "No, no, no, no, no more of those high-sugar Coca-Colas." But they've worked through the states. And so Bobby has really been pushing, trying to have states no longer allow the food stamp program, or the special nutritional supplement, be able to be used by the poor

• 51:43Speaker 00

  to buy high-sugar foods, particularly high-sugar sodas. Well, who's going to complain about that, right? Well, you know darn well who's going to complain about that. Coca-Cola and the sugar industry, the soda industry. And so, this is just to illustrate how US politics works and what's being raised against the Secretary. What was done was that a series of the "beverage industry," quote-unquote, set up a series of astroturf organizations with very benign-sounding names. So, for those that aren't familiar with astroturf,

• 52:22Speaker 00

  these are fake grassroots organizations that were set up by the industry with names that make them sound like they're organic, they're springing directly from the people, when in fact, they're not, and capitalized these astroturf organizations. And they got caught, with their pants down, paying conservative influencers $1,000 a tweet.

• 52:49Speaker 00

  To write hate about this position of the secretary. Fortunately, that kind of got killed when it got exposed what was going on and they had egg in their face and that kind of got shut down. But that's, that's the ecosystem that's going on here. And despite those headwinds, the secretary is making a lot of progress in getting mostly Republican states to take the position that we, we have the right, if we're providing supplemental funding, we're basically giving free food to the poor, to, to say, well, we can't give free crap food.

• 53:34Speaker 00

  We have to give them free good food. Seems like that shouldn't be very controversial. Margaret Thatcher's probably rolling over in her grave as we speak, as an ex-grocer, even hearing this. But that's the state of, of the discussion in the United States. And that's a specific target. Right now, it's kind of low hanging fruit, if you know that metaphor, or the Make America Healthy Again movement, to just try to get these high sugar foods out of the federal subsidy program. And even that is just generating all kinds of grief and resistance, you know, that somehow

• 54:17Speaker 00

  being able to drink sugary Coca-Cola is protected by the First Amendment and the Constitution. And just to bring it home a little bit, to the CDC things we were talking about before, and an article that is on our Substack from the Midwestern Doctor, talking about the chronic CDC corruption.

• 54:40Speaker 00

  So the CDC has set up a not-for-profit subsidiary called the Foundation for the CDC. It's congressionally approved. Normally, if you, Brian, wanted to write a check, "Dear Donald Trump, I want to send a check to the US Treasury because I'm so concerned about the US debt. Here's $500." No, whatever the number, okay? You couldn't do that. You're not allowed to donate goodies to the US government, even let alone, you know, donate something to Donald Trump. But you can't give stuff, funding, to the federal government. But Congress, in its wisdom, set up these special slush funds.

• 55:25Speaker 00

  There's actually even one for the CIA. Hard to believe. That there's one for NIH, there's one for FDA, and there's a big one for CDC, the Foundation for CDC, and the Gates Foundation. All of the major pharmaceuticals all donate major media, major, you know, the whole Silicon Valley internet ecosystem, Facebook, etc. They all make major donations to the Foundation for CDC. And the CDC can then use that as a slush fund.

• 56:09Speaker 00

  But the donors have the ability to kind of direct, "I would really like this done with this or that done with that." So one of the big donors is, rimshot, drumroll, Coca-Cola. Coca-Cola, the ask was, "We give you this money. We really want you to try to work on the World Health Organization to get them to lay off their guidance that they're working on having to do with sugar in sodas." Which may explain why, just to bring it home and make it all about me, because of course, why not?

• 56:46Speaker 00

  You'll recall that I went on this little podcast with this unknown name guy named Joe Rogan, and it went big. And there was a enormous amount of blowback on Spotify, which pays Joe Rogan a stupid amount of money to do these podcasts, a lot more than you and I make. And Neil Young pulled his catalog off of Spotify, so did Joni Mitchell, big, big kerfuffle. Well, there was a congressional investigation about what really went on with that. And they revealed that what happened was that Coca-Cola

• 57:27Speaker 00

  pushed on the Global Alliance for Responsible Media, which was set up by the World Economic Forum, to basically represent all advertisers. This is kind of like the Trusted News Initiative that our good friends at the BBC put together.

• 57:40Speaker 01

  Right.

• 57:42Speaker 00

  And so, but instead of being focused on news content, GARM is focused on advertisers. And members of GARM are not allowed to take ads or to place ads. They're not allowed to advertise on sites that are not approved, sites such as, perhaps, I speculate, London Real, who has been countering the narrative for a number of years and certainly things that I say and Joe Rogan on Spotify. So basically Coca-Cola. What the London Real Investment Club actually does for you, it gives you the keys to open that door to the inside deals.

• 58:25Speaker 00

  In the last three weeks, I've participated in three incredible deals, a Layer Two Bitcoin protocol, an incredible AI protocol. The deal flow is beyond what I expected. I don't think I've ever seen a model like this that just gives average folks the opportunity to be behind the deals. And that's exactly what we've done. Not only that, you get to hang out with Brian Rose every week. And for me, that was huge because I look at Brian as somebody who's not only an expert in the space and I think is on the leading edge, but just the leading. Edge of thought with London Real and the work he's doing there. To anyone who's taking a serious look at this, I know it's a big decision. It was a big decision for me and my family, and it is one of the best decisions I've ever made. So I wish you all the best and hope you come join us.

• 59:15Speaker 00

  Is busy in bed with the CDC, is carrying water for CDC by pushing on Garm to, to hit Joe Rogan and tell him that you gotta withdraw this podcast with this crazy guy Malone, anti-vaxxer who knows nothing about vaccines, blah, blah, blah. And otherwise, we're going to withdraw all of our advertising from Spotify. That's the game that gets played right now. And it shows kind of the ecosystem, again, of what Bobby and Make America Healthy Again and the president are up against. It is huge headwinds.

• 59:58Speaker 01

  I really appreciate that perspective. And I never would have thought that a company like Coca-Cola would be able to do that from all the way around. And I guess the evidence of them doing that shows that there is this massive link between, you know, health and diet and also.

• 1:00:18Speaker 00

  And money, profit. It's all about profit.

• 1:00:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, and high fructose corn syrup probably rolling around in there somewhere. That's fascinating. And I appreciate you saying how every department is facing these headwinds. And with midterms coming up in 18 months, like, there's a lot of ways to resist. You can slow roll it, you can push back, you can attack, but what you want to do is.

• 1:00:40Speaker 00

  It can leak.

• 1:00:41Speaker 01

  Leak, yeah. And you want to do is make it to that 18 months where if you get a little bit of a change, obviously in.

• 1:00:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's on a knife's edge in the house.

• 1:00:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then that goes to sentiment. Yeah.

• 1:00:54Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:00:55Speaker 01

  And everyone's facing that. I didn't realize that HHS was such a massive organization. And so I guess you're at this point where you could cull a bunch of people, but then there's no bodies left to do anything, right? So you have to pick the ones you can trust.

• 1:01:07Speaker 00

  Thank you. Okay. And that, that again, shows your organizational chops and experience. So.

• 1:01:15Speaker 00

  You know, probably, and I've been taught that if you're going to undergo a major corporate reorg, and this is functionally a hostile takeover. I mean, remember, that's what's happening is a hostile takeover of a massive, massive organization. And facing a huge budget deficit. Okay, what are you gonna do if you're the CEO that's come in and trying to do this? Well, first thing you're gonna do is call Elon Musk and say, hey, let's clean house. I guess that's what was using algorithms. And so there was this massive reduction in force, really not so massive. The one under Bill Clinton was bigger.

• 1:02:00Speaker 00

  Okay. But they never say that. Right. But what it's left is a situation, I can tell you from personal experience, where a lot of these folks, they live for chain of command. They exist in their little niche, within their little silo, and they do their little task, and they push their bit of paper up to the next person, and it's all good, and they do that for whatever their term is until they get their retirement, and then they can come back and be a consultant. So that's that ecosystem. And these people now are, it's like a Swiss cheese.

• 1:02:43Speaker 00

  They're not really sure who they report to, how they report to, how they're supposed to put the pieces together. And as if that wasn't bad enough, the political appointee cast that sits on top of all this thing is facing the headwinds of obstructionism and obfuscation in the confirmation process. And so everything grinds really slow. And so Bobby is basically in a position where he, near as I can tell, you know, I haven't sat down and had a good, long chin wag with him, but for a long time, but he seems to

• 1:03:26Speaker 00

  be picking battles that are important, but also have significant PR component to them. Yeah. They're very visible. They speak to things that are kitchen table issues.

• 1:03:44Speaker 00

  And striking in those areas with a small strike team and lawyers and then moving on to the next thing. And the criticism is that it's a little chaotic, like a lot of the Trump administration. I mean, frankly, the this administration is transformational. And it actively seeks transformational leadership. And the mantra under President Trump is take action and, you know, ask for forgiveness later. It's it's due.

• 1:04:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:20Speaker 00

  It's don't temporize, don't negotiate, just act, and then pick up the pieces after you've done it. And you can see that you mentioned the trade policy, you can see that in all kinds of different ways. And that's also trickling down to HHS and Department of Defense and Tulsi Gabbard and and all the stuff that's coming out of her shop right now. And the FBI. I the other day, I had a week and a half ago, I had two FBI agents

• 1:04:58Speaker 00

  show up here at the farm. And they wanted to talk about what I'd experienced during the last five years in terms of the censorship defamation, the coordinated attacks, etc., etc., because they've been authorized to begin investigations about that stuff, which is I'm glad to hear it.

• 1:05:23Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:05:24Speaker 00

  And given, given what Tulsa, the bombs that Tulsa is dropping on a daily basis concerning the Russiagate hoax. Hey, remember that Trusted News Initiative was originally set up because of Russiagate?

• 1:05:41Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:05:43Speaker 00

  It was set up because of the threat of Russian election interference in the West, which we now know was a big nothing bird. But that was the original justification for setting up that operation. And which there's a lawsuit against it right now that essentially asserts that what it really is, is a trade organization designed to protect the interests of big corporate media.

• 1:06:14Speaker 01

  Well, it's nice to hear that these investigations are happening and it's just not, let's move forward because, well, you and I both experienced massive amounts of censorship, among other people, including the president, and it needs to be investigated and it needs to be also set straight.

• 1:06:32Speaker 00

  I feel strongly there needs to be consequences or this is going to just continue.

• 1:06:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:06:37Speaker 00

  And the words that are coming out of Tulsi's mouth about the Russiagate investigation indicate that there may well be consequences for the first time in my lifetime, or political malfeasance. We'll see, because if it doesn't happen, if we don't get a sharp shock to the system, the United States is just going hell bent for leather right now on Banana Republic Road.

• 1:07:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. No, they're strong words to hear from Tulsi, and again, I'm over here, so I'm a little separated from the States, even though I'm American, but to hear her come out like that and really go straight for, you know, the jugular was interesting to watch, and it showed intention, and also the backup with the evidence is clearly there. So that's fascinating to see. It's great to hear that, you know, you had approached by the FBI, and, you know, we're still facing a two-year ban on YouTube ourselves, and I read all these articles, you know, about how Google and Facebook have now changed their ways, and, you know, Mark got rid of his fact-checking organization, but the truth is, is there are still hangovers from that

• 1:07:54Speaker 01

  censorship period.

• 1:07:55Speaker 00

  Oh, it still goes on.

• 1:07:56Speaker 01

  Still goes on.

• 1:07:57Speaker 00

  The shadow banning, the small rooming, they've come up with other euphemisms and structures to do the same kind of stuff in a little more subtle way with a happy face on it, but that's, that's kind of how that ecosystem is working.

• 1:08:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:12Speaker 00

  Hey, Brian, there's another achievement that probably flew underneath the radar in the UK, and corporate media hardly touched it. I think The Hill put out an article.

• 1:08:24Speaker 00

  And I get a little bit of a victory tour on this one myself. So you may recall that I went to Geneva at the time when Tedros was jamming through the international health regulations.

• 1:08:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:36Speaker 00

  I asserted that was illegal, what was done, it didn't meet their timeline and policy and procedures, requirements, et cetera. It was jammed through after dinner when a number of the delegates had left. And in the United States, there was a huge uproar because it would infringe on national sovereignty and create a situation where the WHO would kind of codify and entrench all of the malfeasance that they, I argue, that was associated with the COVID mismanagement. And so I wrote an essay from Geneva at the time, speaking about what I'd observed, together

• 1:09:21Speaker 00

  with another US person, Reggie Littlejohn. And it kind of sat there. Well, it turns out it didn't just sit there. After the election, it was, it made its way through the national security apparatus in the United States. And I think it was just last week or week and a half ago, a joint decision from the President, Secretary Kennedy, and Secretary of State Marco Rubio withdrew at the last minute, the United States, from the World Health Organization international health regulations. And that was almost immediately followed by Giorgio Malone making the same decision

• 1:10:04Speaker 00

  from Italy, from Brothers of Italy party. And surprisingly, that was it. It was just the United States and Giorgio Malone and Italy that withdrew, nothing but crickets from your government.

• 1:10:18Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:10:19Speaker 00

  Or of course, from the European Union, or from the various member states that we've come to think of as associated with this embryonic make Europe great again movement.

• 1:10:32Speaker 00

  Only the United States and that crazy neo fascist fan of family values in Italy. I'm referring to how the press has portrayed Giorgio Maloney, who certainly is not a neo fascist.

• 1:10:54Speaker 01

  But no, I remember when

• 1:10:56Speaker 00

  That's another win for Bobby.

• 1:10:58Speaker 01

  We spoke about that when you were here. And I think we put into pretty big detail. This was the International Health Regulations and Pandemic Treaty. This is Preparedness Treaty, I think, where they would have basically just taken over sovereign control or would have had the the ability to do that at the next red flag of some pandemic.

• 1:11:17Speaker 00

  This was very central to the New World Order and the Great Reset.

• 1:11:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, I remember we talked about

• 1:11:22Speaker 00

  Very much a World Economic Forum advocated position. And as you know, the the United States has already pulled out under President Trump from World Health Organization. But this was kind of a rump action, even though you pulled out. If you didn't decline the IHRs, then you'd still be bound by them, was the language. And so it was still a binding health treaty. And to great pleasure of many on my side, the President, the Secretary and the Secretary of State all came together and said, basically, hell, no.

• 1:12:07Speaker 00

  And so that was another win. Where, you know, you got to count these because it's up against so much resistance. These small things matter.

• 1:12:15Speaker 01

  Great to see Secretary of State Marco Rubio in that as well. And again, you talk about someone else that's fighting the headwinds. And I know he recently did a massive layoff in that State Department and push him back. But I love listening to him and he just is a nice breath of fresh

• 1:12:32Speaker 00

  So Brian, what I hear from The Hill

• 1:12:39Speaker 00

  Is that Secretary Rubio and Secretary Kennedy have built a close working relationship. They've become good friends. This is what's happening. Yes, there's been some reorg and there was a significant reorg that happened when Bobby came back from vacation a week ago within HHS that some within embraced. Let's say we're very glad to see that reorg happen, but it happened. But for the most part, what I'm hearing and seeing is that this group of appointees are really coming together.

• 1:13:20Speaker 00

  They're working together better and better. And I look forward to, you know, whatever headwinds, President Trump having great success with this team over the next three and a half years.

• 1:13:36Speaker 01

  It's been incredible to watch. And I think it was yesterday where President Trump gave a speech about the future of AI. And David Sacks, AI and crypto czar, said it was the most important speech that a president did about technology since President Kennedy said we were going to put him in on the moon.

• 1:13:50Speaker 00

  And Oh, he, they are all in. They are. I like to say to people, if you want to get a federal award right now, if you're writing your grant or contract proposal, you got to work AI into that somehow.

• 1:14:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:02Speaker 00

  It is a big issue. It's identified as a big issue. It has to do with competitiveness against the CCP. It has to do with the future of American industry, revitalizing American industry. Frankly, I think they would be well served to be a little more cautious. But it is undeniable that that's a major thrust vector. I also had the pleasure of listening to Eric Trump, of course, has been portrayed by the press as a dullard at the recent Bitcoin conference and also got to hear a speech from the Vice President at that Bitcoin conference in Las Vegas.

• 1:14:46Speaker 00

  And the President, the Vice President, I'm sorry, and Eric Trump are enormous supporters of Bitcoin.

• 1:14:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:56Speaker 00

  The Trump Organization is making a major investment in Bitcoin mining.

• 1:15:02Speaker 00

  And the whole narrative about Eric Trump being a dullard is completely false. Eric Trump basically is on point for managing the building of all these properties. He is detail oriented, he is focused, he is forward looking, he's an excellent business person. He, you know, whatever you think of Don Jr. and his political atmospherics, Eric is all business. And he, watching Eric, listening to Eric talk about cyber currency and Bitcoin and

• 1:15:46Speaker 00

  watching the Vice President speak about it, they are into transforming economic system in a big way. I think this is, you know, in part, it's a convenience because somehow there's going to have to be a cram down in the United States having to do with the national debt. I don't know how they're going to work that, but it's not sustainable.

• 1:16:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, I saw, I saw Eric.

• 1:16:14Speaker 00

  This is part of it.

• 1:16:15Speaker 01

  I saw Eric speak in Toronto at the Consensus Conference, which is another blockchain conference. And yeah, he's impressive. I mean, I think a lot of people don't realize is that for the last 70 years, you could argue the Trump family amassed maybe a billion dollar plus in a real estate empire. In the last 18 months, you could argue they've already created three billion in their blockchain crypto Bitcoin empire. And I think it's because they see this as the future. Also, they were de-banked and they see this as a way of fighting back against that. I mean, I think Eric used to say, there was a point where you could pick up the phone and with the Trump name, get a loan from any bank in the world. And then there was a point where you'd pick up the phone with the Trump name and be denied

• 1:16:59Speaker 01

  a bank, a loan from every bank in the world. And so they embrace this decentralized finance concept and they've gone all in and it's pretty incredible what they're doing in that space.

• 1:17:09Speaker 00

  Necessity is the mother of invention.

• 1:17:11Speaker 01

  Amen.

• 1:17:12Speaker 00

  Which is why I'm on your podcast, basically, is, in a very small way, as I was getting all of this censorship and attacks and you also, both of us have basically turned to alt media. As the option and it's forced us, it's been a forcing function to cause us to up our game in this new media space, we probably wouldn't be here in the same way if it hadn't been for what we were subjected to.

• 1:17:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, very much so. And similarly to that with digital assets in the blockchain space, we went heavy into this space four years ago when I ran to be mayor of London and lost. And I looked into this space and I saw tremendous ability for financial freedom. And as one of my guests, who was probably at that Bitcoin conference, his name is Dan Held, he was an early Bitcoiner. He said, Brian, freedom of speech is a luxury if you can't pay for your food and the roof over your head and your internet access. And I thought he had a great point. And so what we love about the digital asset space is that you can truly own something. I always tell my students, you know, how many people have money in the bank? And they all raise their hand. And I said, no, you don't. The bank has custody of your money and they'll give it back to you if they choose. Also,

• 1:18:27Speaker 01

  your fiat currency is being printed, inflated and taxed at will. And so if you really want something that is cannot be touched by a government, well, that's where your Bitcoin comes in. So it's fascinating, Robert, how these two worlds have collided with us where you have new media and maybe new money all kind of coming together and it all makes sense.

• 1:18:50Speaker 00

  And new health.

• 1:18:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, very much so. And look, you're going through all your different Substack articles that I was going to bring up organically through this conversation. And by the way, we'll have the link to your Substack below. You guys still produce one a day?

• 1:19:04Speaker 00

  Yep. Well, the truth is that occasionally we have guest writers. Thank you. We missed yesterday because I was on the plane coming back from Rome. And by the time I got home, I was about cooked. But mostly we do, but Fridays and Sundays, we put out the Friday funnies and the Sunday strip, which is kind of probably too inside American politics for most British or European, although we have a number of fans from Europe and the UK and Australia. But that's a collection of memes that are often really pretty edgy, having

• 1:19:44Speaker 00

  to do with whatever the current events are. And that was the case today. So that gives us a little bit of a break from writing an essay because these essays typically take You know, four, five, six hours between the concept and the research and writing and editing, etc.

• 1:20:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's great work and I love it. And I guess sometimes those funnies are a little inside because sometimes I'm trying to understand them and I know it's something that you need to know maybe closer to DC, but often not. And so it's great content. I highly recommend everyone goes and subscribes and hopefully also contributes. Talk to me about the book, Cywar, The Information War Behind the Pandemic. You know, is that something that the world is still digesting?

• 1:20:28Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:20:29Speaker 01

  And I'll ask you this question, Robert, is it hard to remind people of these concepts when we're now three or four years past the height of that Cywar? Or is there another Cywar happening also right now that you can point to as evidence from your book? Investment Club. Today, I consider it the best investment that I've ever made. We get four projects presented a week by their associated CEOs. Personally, I'm completely blown away by the quality of these projects and I know of nowhere else where I would be given this same opportunity. Each weekday passes, I feel more appreciative of the fact that I'm a member of this group. The vibe was just tremendous. Everybody's on the same wavelength. We just clicked.

• 1:21:09Speaker 00

  Everybody listened to each other, enjoyed their company. It was just magical, magical. Take action. Don't take my word for it. Do Dylan's you need to do. And I really hope that someday down the road, I see you in the club. It far exceeded expectations, without question.

• 1:21:33Speaker 00

  Well, the tech is still deployed on a routine basis. And the 77th Brigade and the Mutton Crew have not gone away, bringing it home to your island.

• 1:21:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's us.

• 1:21:46Speaker 00

  And the...

• 1:21:50Speaker 00

  I but there are kind of cracks in the wall. The other day I was on the boat and we were just talking about things and there was an actor with us on the boat and he was not hadn't really followed all that I encountered. So we were talking and and I mentioned Wikipedia. And so we talked a little bit more. I pull up my Wikipedia page. Lo and behold, it is far more friendly than I've ever seen it since it was first posted. And has have has soft pleasant things like it mentions that I married my high school sweetheart.

• 1:22:34Speaker 00

  It still says that I was a spreader of misinformation during COVID and it cites the Davy Alba hit piece from the New York Times. But it's got a whole lot of other content and I frankly, I was it it lightened my heart to see as another example that I'm appear to be being re politically rehabilitated a little bit. But the technology, what's happening in particular is that the go to reference of Wikipedia is increasingly marginalized.

• 1:23:17Speaker 00

  And the big business threat, by the way, to Google right now is another drum roll and a rimshot, artificial intelligence.

• 1:23:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:27Speaker 00

  And and it's now the data sets and the training and the constraints that are being put on the AIs that is the new frontier or.

• 1:23:45Speaker 00

  Managing the approved narrative and promoting the approved narrative. So it's like all of this, it's gotten, there's another level of sophistication that's being built and deployed. It's the good thing about COVID crisis was that it was so obvious that even a physician scientist could see it, right? You didn't have to be a trained intelligence analyst to see what the heck was going on. It was pretty obvious to most of us, or a large fraction of us that weren't hypnotized by what was going on, referencing Matthias Desmond.

• 1:24:30Speaker 00

  But now it's going underground. It's a lot more subtle. The same things are being done, being promoted. I believe strongly that the pharmaceutical industry has integrated psychological warfare technology and tactics of 77th Brigade and the US Cywar units, et cetera, as a routine part of their daily marketing. So that, you know, illustration example, case in point, the astroturf advocacy groups that the beverage industry created that we spoke about earlier, that then was paying

• 1:25:14Speaker 00

  the $1,000 a head, you know, per tweet to, and this is the notable thing, to conservative influencers. Yeah. Because they were trying to destroy the conservative base. I'm seeing that there's also, there was a document leaked from, in the United States, we have these two big pharmaceutical industry advocacy organizations. One's called Pharma. The other one's called Bio. So Bio's domain, pharma's domain historically has been more traditional pharmaceutical industry.

• 1:25:53Speaker 00

  Bio's domain has been the emergent biopharmaceutical industry, recombinant DNA, proteins, et cetera. And now, of course, the distinction between those is increasingly academic. But Bio held a meeting in which the notes got leaked that they felt that Abbie Kennedy represented a major, I'll use the term existential threat, to their industry, and he had to be destroyed. Hold on. And they were gonna start with a war chest of $2 million.

• 1:26:36Speaker 00

  And what they were gonna do is deploy these same kind of strategies and tactics through everything is about social media now. You know, the people that I interact with on a routine basis, I had to get, I had to notify HHS that I was gonna have this talk with you. Right. And they had to agree that you looked like a friendly. That's that, and I, when I was on the boat, I got a call from the head of HHS comms saying, Robert, you posted this tweet and it criticizes one of the people within our administrative structure, and I really want you to take it down. And so I took it down.

• 1:27:21Speaker 00

  But they, they are carefully monitoring the information stream, particularly on Twitter, X, but also the other social media platforms, and that is the battleground now. That, that's increasingly the political battleground. Trump was the social media president this last election, and managing that ecosystem is central to

• 1:27:55Speaker 00

  Managing the Hill, Congress.

• 1:27:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:01Speaker 00

  Because it's so effective, it's effective for fundraising, it's effective for advocacy, it's effective for resistance, you can mobilize people very rapidly. So now, Brian, I'm also, by the way, a formal medical advisor to the Make America Healthy Again, what do they call it? Maha Action. And though, if I can unscramble what that means, they're the

• 1:28:36Speaker 00

  political action committee that was set up to support RFK first as a presidential campaign and then in the context of MAHA or the current president, has been transformed into a ongoing PAC that has two branches. This has to do with nuances of American law, federal law.

• 1:29:03Speaker 00

  One is, falls under a federal statute referred to as 501(c)(3), which can be a general purpose advocacy organization and take money as tax deductible to support advocacy in an area like Make America Healthy Again. But it can't act politically, has to be apolitical in its action, so bipartisan. Whereas 501(c)(4) organizations, which have different consequences in terms of tax benefits to donors, etc., can be a political advocacy organization. So, Maha Action.

• 1:29:50Speaker 00

  Is the one that I'm now a medical advisor for. And that is a C4. So I'm affiliated with an organization that now is advancing partisan politics having to do with the Make America Healthy Again agenda. And that's kind of, that's, that's how DC is working these days.

• 1:30:10Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:30:11Speaker 00

  Is it's these very large packs that are set up as well as these surreptitious structures like the astroturf organizations. That is, is driving American politics now.

• 1:30:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, like you said, you, you have to be on the social media. You have to master it. It's nice to see that HHS comms is, understands you got to fight fire with fire. What I see is them trying to splinter, you know, the MAGA movement and people inside that movement. You saw them trying to drive it through with Elon and Trump and then with the, with the Iran strike, you know, you saw it splintering a little and that's probably the best weapon that the left has right now or any organization that doesn't want the MAGA agenda. And you gotta watch that like a hawk. I know Trump's aware of it, but that's the best way to splinter. And then, like you said, paying for those conservative tweets since they don't have an offensive of their own.

• 1:31:06Speaker 00

  Gaza conflict was huge.

• 1:31:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:07Speaker 00

  Gaza conflict remains a major divisive structure.

• 1:31:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:13Speaker 00

  That is actively exploited.

• 1:31:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:17Speaker 00

  By both IDF and Hamas and, and the opposition. They, when that started out.

• 1:31:29Speaker 00

  I elected not to stick my nose in the middle of it. It's not my core competency. But moreover, what I observed was that you have two of the most highly accomplished, skilled psychological warfare units in the world.

• 1:31:46Speaker 00

  Duking it out head to head in an environment now where it's increasingly difficult to even be able to rely on, you know, don't believe your lying eyes, rely on video seeming video footage. Yeah. That can be entirely synthetic. It's extremely, so you ask with Cywar, what's happened to it? It's, it's gone mainstream. It's become a core function of corporate policy and advocacy and marketing and strategic positioning.

• 1:32:27Speaker 00

  And it's become a lot more sophisticated and subtle consequent to artificial intelligence. And remember, we talked about this in the Cywar book, and I think we covered it before, surveillance capitalism, that the building through your data of a virtual avatar for you and everybody else, both as individuals and collectively as members of various categories, you know, that's incorporating everything from the data that is being drawn from your car or your cellphone about where you are and when you are and how you drive and what you shop for and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

• 1:33:12Speaker 00

  And certainly whatever your search activities are, all that's being aggregated to generate a virtual avatar of who you are. And then that is being used as a driver, all those data for sale. And they're being drivers for guiding the AIs to craft the information ecosystem that you're encountering. So we're moving to a situation where everything is customized in a real-time basis to advance whatever the payer's agenda is.

• 1:33:55Speaker 00

  Based on your idiosyncratic personality characteristics and preferences. Incredibly powerful.

• 1:34:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:05Speaker 00

  So that's where it's at right now. And I'm afraid it's where it's going to be increasingly difficult to discern what is reality. You know, we're all going to become believers in existentialism, that reality is whatever we feel it to be, right? Especially those that are living in a virtual world, like a lot of our youth.

• 1:34:46Speaker 00

  As opposed to, this is an older essay that I wrote long ago. This tension between the physicals, the virtials, the overlords and the machines, I think is the new caste structure. And there still are people that live in the physical world. They have to do things like manage your electrical power, or repair your car, or a myriad of other jobs that increasingly pay very well in the United States. They're six-figure income jobs and they go crying for people. And meanwhile, the universities are churning out, you know, we could go down that road.

• 1:35:28Speaker 00

  But graduates with large debts that are increasingly unemployable and they're going to be, they're being made redundant by the new technology and artificial intelligence, not the least of which is the coders. You know, we thought they were immune to all this, but they're like the first ones getting jettisoned. And if you're in the service industry, if you're in finance and those kinds of things, good luck. I would not advise any 20 something to go intern at Bears and Stern right now. Just don't think that's going to be sustainable business model.

• 1:36:06Speaker 01

  Although there's much worse options than that with AI as well. Law, accounting, like you said, programming, those are almost even sooner on the chopping block than financial services. But yeah, it's all a big question mark and we are going to struggle with reality. Look, you talked about some of the recent conflicts. We were seeing video, we don't know if it's true or not. We don't know when it was shot, when it was published. And now with those AI answers, you know, you used to search Google back in the day and okay, your stuff would be suppressed, mine would be suppressed. But when you read something from the BBC, you started to learn that this was their game with the AI, it spits you the answer out.

• 1:36:48Speaker 01

  There's only one answer and there's no, okay, it came from here, these said this, there's no, there's not eight links, there's not, it's just one answer and that's scary, very scary because that's the reality.

• 1:37:00Speaker 00

  And for the average person, it comes across as a level of definitive authoritarian positioning that is often just assimilated, not without question. Oh, it's what the machine says and therefore it, that's the truth.

• 1:37:19Speaker 01

  I was on a, I was on.

• 1:37:22Speaker 00

  The ability to discern, so that gives rise, you mentioned splintering. We haven't talked about the splinter net, which I think is another fascinating thing that is an indirect consequence of the rise of national based censorship policy. Where we're going to have the global internet splinter into subnets that are in financial ecosystems around those that are defined by censorship policy.

• 1:37:55Speaker 00

  And so you'll have, you know, European Union, you'll have a UK, basically, internet, which paradoxically opens up business opportunities in the UK if the likes of these big boys, they're kind of cumbersome, they're like the giant marshmallow guy in Ghostbusters, right, they just kind of cludge along, and a nimble velociraptor, business-wise, can come into that ecosystem, be very attuned to UK realities, and address market opportunities

• 1:38:35Speaker 00

  in a much more agile fashion, in a way that recognizes what the unique constraints are of the UK. And I've been approached by one such company in the UK to work with them, and it really opened my eyes to this idea of the splinter net, in what's going to come of it. But everything is going to splinter like that.

• 1:38:59Speaker 01

  Is this kind of like what's considered the Great Firewall of China, where it's had its internet separate from the world? You're saying these are going to start popping up in the UK and the EU and all these pockets?

• 1:39:09Speaker 00

  Not going to start, it's already happening.

• 1:39:11Speaker 01

  It's already happening, right.

• 1:39:12Speaker 00

  Yeah. And, by the way, that's the paradox is, that's a business opportunity.

• 1:39:18Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:39:19Speaker 00

  If Starmer is going to play that game, and you guys are going to be subject to arbitrary and capricious censorship from the BBC board and whatever else, you can say, "Well, I'm going to resist that." Or you can say, "Well, this looks like the new reality. How do we adapt from business sense to that structure?" And one way is to build capabilities, particularly

• 1:39:54Speaker 00

  relating to information, that recognizes this new reality and finds ways to profit and build.

• 1:40:08Speaker 00

  Capabilities that bring value to British customers within that those constraints.

• 1:40:14Speaker 01

  Peter Thiel took a half a million dollars and turned it into a billion dollars using the exact same techniques we're using inside the investment club. He met a CEO, his name was Zuckerberg, he pitched him the deal, and he said, okay, I'll give you a half a million dollars. Mark went public and sold the shares to people like you. Well, what happened to Peter? Well, he exited and got a 2,300X return. The wealthy invest in early-stage companies, folks. The public markets are for suckers. It's a rigged game. By the way, this happens in crypto as well. It's called pre-sale tokens. This is Solana. Does anybody know this chain? They sold pre-sale tokens for four cents, and you can see the date on there, April 5, 2018. Look at Solana today, folks. That thing's up over 1,000X. The media and Wall Street

• 1:40:59Speaker 01

  and all these hype people get you to buy the top. Meanwhile, they put their clients in at the bottom, and they use you for liquidity to make their clients rich. You can play this same game. You just have to have the financial education and the deal flow. That's it. It's going to be a very interesting world these next couple of years. And like you said, we're, we're, what they said, you know, necessity is the mother of invention. You know, we've thrived in our own independent media platforms because we had to create them to get our messages out. But now these are going to be challenged, and there's going to be new ecosystems in the future. And a lot of us are trying to get back into mainstream media to set the record straight. But of course, that could be futile as the future

• 1:41:44Speaker 01

  is-

• 1:41:45Speaker 00

  It's a fool's errand.

• 1:41:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a new-

• 1:41:47Speaker 00

  Don't, don't even, my wife calls them dead media. Okay, that's, that's a whole nother thing. And the recent firing of Stephen Colbert is just one example. But their business model is crashing. Just don't, my advice is, let them die. Don't, don't fight that battle. You don't want to get into their ecosystem. You don't want to, you know, recreate in some better way what their failing business model is. No, no, no. Just bypass them. Just go around, you know, be a velociraptor, not a giant marshmallow man.

• 1:42:27Speaker 01

  And so for you, Substack has been a great way to get your views out there. Independent media, still for you, and Twitter.

• 1:42:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:42:37Speaker 00

  And I'm being approached by sponsors. So I'm on the cusp of whether or not I put little tags at the bottom, you know, little ads, basically, what if you think about that. For those advertisers that wish to reach the types of viewership that I'm reaching or you're reaching. You represent a specialized opportunity to hit a target audience. Like audiences that are open to using cyber currency. Is just one example.

• 1:43:19Speaker 00

  And so if you're, if you are a cutting edge new cyber or gold investment tool company. Are you going to go to the GARM players? You know, are you going to go to Google AdSense and spend your nickel? Going through their filters? No, that's not the audience you want to target. So I think that what we're seeing, I think what I'm seeing is as, as there is increasing awareness

• 1:44:00Speaker 00

  business-wise and politically of the power of, of all media and social media. There's the emergence of new ecosystems that we've long been crying out for, those the censored. That are seeking us out. I, I, I see.

• 1:44:28Speaker 00

  Very encouraging future for those who have the acumen and agility to adapt to these changing environments and be bluntly realistic about what they are and what they aren't. But this introduces another thread. The credibility economy that in a world in which so much information is coming at us and so much of it is synthetic and processed and pre-chewed.

• 1:45:09Speaker 00

  Viewers will often identify trusted sources. And our audience may be splintered compared to back in the day when BBC ran everything or NBC, ABC, and CBS here in the United States. But those are still significant markets and we have tools and technologies that allow us to produce content at a fraction of the price of what it used to cost. And so we can access those markets. Jill and I, with one major assistant, put out our Substack.

• 1:45:50Speaker 00

  And we're hitting numbers that are at or sometimes exceeding those of Gables News Network in terms of viewership at a tiny, tiny fraction of the overhead. And so we can be sustained with only 14,000 subscribers. We have 350,000 total, but only 14,000 are paid. They're volunteers. So basically, I have a decentralized subscriber base. So if I piss off some subscriber and they tell me to go jump in a lake or whatever, and they're no longer going to drop five bucks a month, that's okay.

• 1:46:35Speaker 00

  They leave, others come, it's okay. And it gives an unprecedented amount of freedom.

• 1:46:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:43Speaker 00

  To not be beholden to a small number of...

• 1:46:50Speaker 00

  Revenue streams to have a decentralized support base.

• 1:46:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, that's been a fantastic tool for you and so many people. Look, the one issue that still remains, in my opinion, is that YouTube has a monopoly on video. And it's still.

• 1:47:04Speaker 00

  Oh, YouTube is for it.

• 1:47:06Speaker 01

  It's the second largest search engine in the world owned by the largest. And unfortunately, there are still censoring people. We've been deplatformed for.

• 1:47:13Speaker 00

  Anti-trust activity is being considered in the United States. And that is, you know, in an ecosystem in which the president has been on the receiving end of this.

• 1:47:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:47:29Speaker 00

  What I'm seeing is a great openness on many fronts to consider these kinds of issues. And the big issue is, like we said earlier on, what happens in the midterm? And is the vice president going to become the next president? Is Bobby going to get the bit in his teeth and decide he wants to be president? Up till now, he's been saying no. You know, are we going to have a resurgence of the left in the United States politically? Right now, the just like reform seems to be roaring in the UK from everything I see.

• 1:48:13Speaker 00

  And this recent speech by, was it Winston Churchill's nephew or something? Kind of the inheritor of his title in a state is now endorsing reform. You know, right now, in our world here, on our side of the pond, the favorability for the Democrat Party is lower than it's ever been.

• 1:48:40Speaker 00

  Can they come back from that? They seem to just be caught in a loop of more of the same. So, time will tell.

• 1:48:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's fascinating to watch reform here. It reminds me a little bit about the MAGA movement inside the Republican Party. But it's a force to be reckoned with here, and people are just tired of the status quo. And they're tired of the two-party system that's really one-party system.

• 1:49:08Speaker 00

  Well, coming up, I think it's September. I'm going to be in, I think it's Brussels, at the European Union. In a European Union-sponsored, you know, the EU is funny. They will allow fringe groups to sponsor various things. And upcoming is the Make Europe Healthy Again conference. That I am grateful that they've selected me as a keynote for. So that's the next thing on the agenda for me, traveling back on the other side.

• 1:49:47Speaker 00

  Maybe I'll have a chance to stop in London and say hi if Keir Starmer isn't going to retaliate if I say something disallowed. But it's interesting, you know, the Make Europe Great Again movement made some progress, but then lost in Romania. The backlash in Germany is huge. But Poland, I mean, that's another thing that I hear that is just, you know, amazing to watch, is the resurgence of the Polish economy simultaneous to the collapse of the

• 1:50:32Speaker 00

  German economy. Who would have predicted that?

• 1:50:35Speaker 01

  It's interesting to see some of these pockets like Poland, who are just kind of not having it, and really embracing their own conservatism, and to see how far they can move with that. And I've been to Germany recently, but everyone said it's the worst of the wokest that you've ever experienced.

• 1:50:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:50:52Speaker 01

  Is there.

• 1:50:53Speaker 00

  They've strangled themselves.

• 1:50:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:55Speaker 00

  One of the things that surprised me, heading up along the eastern shore of Italy from Gallipoli, is I hardly saw a single windmill. Very surprising.

• 1:51:11Speaker 01

  It's a good sign.

• 1:51:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, so maybe, maybe, uh, I, I think it's important to, to, um, we are winning. To, to count our blessings, count our wins, count Bobby's wins, count Trump's wins. Uh, um, I don't know where you come down, but maybe even count Nigel's wins.

• 1:51:37Speaker 01

  Definitely.

• 1:51:37Speaker 00

  Uh, I consider him a friend and, uh, I'm glad to see him prospering. I, I hear all kinds of, uh, nattering maybob negativity about him, but, uh, it seems like, uh, the UK is, is, um, from, from my side, it seems like there is some political movement away from the stalemate, mate, uh, in the globalist agenda in the UK. Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but I, I'm, I, I am optimistic.

• 1:52:15Speaker 00

  I think, uh, you know, it's Reagan's, uh, it's a new day in America kind of messaging. We do not win by getting down and licking our wounds and complaining and, uh, becoming, you know, self-imposed victims and all of this. That's why I don't like to talk about all the crap that I've been subjected to as frankly, yeah, I took a lot of hits. I'm a better person for it. I'm, I'm a different person now than I was five years ago in a good way. Uh, I've, I now I'm prospering by adopting new strategies.

• 1:52:57Speaker 00

  Uh, and strangely, I seem to be being politically rehabilitated. Who would have thought that? Uh, and, um, and it's okay. You know?

• 1:53:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. Great observations, Robert. I agree. We are winning. I mean, just compare to where we were in 22, when you first came to studio or 23. I mean, how the tides have changed. And we are winning and things are changing. And we're better people for it. Not a day goes by, Robert, where someone doesn't message me or stop me on the street and thank me for what we did in 20 and 21. So I always remember that. And even though there's some bumps in the road, I'm confident we'll have our channel back on YouTube this year. And I'm confident we'll just keep going forward. There'll be new challenges. But thank God, we got people like you, Robert, that are constantly showing us what to look out for. I really appreciate the book, Cywar. It's something we talked about on this show years before you actually completed the book.

• 1:53:51Speaker 01

  And again, coming from a guy from the medical profession, I thought it hit even harder that you were piecing all of this together. What's a good way for people to get a copy of the book? And how can they sign up for the Substack? What's the best way? And follow you on X as well?

• 1:54:07Speaker 00

  So Substack is the easy answer. It's Malone.news now. We've had to change the title. We don't have Substack in there. The old "Who is Robert Malone?" just seems so back then. And so now it's Malone.news, and it's easy to sign up. And you don't have to pay. If you do, God bless you. Thank you very much. But most important is getting the information, the content out. The book, I'm... By the way, I now have some... There's new versions in French and Norwegian, I believe, both for "Lies My Government Told Me" and for Cywar.

• 1:54:51Speaker 00

  The Cywar book is almost finished being translated and ready to go to the publisher in Italian, for my Italian friends. And generally speaking, of course, all books these days, it all comes down to the great aggregator in the sky, Jeff Bezos, and Amazon. But there might be some obscure booksellers in downtown London, back alleys that may sell it. I have no idea.

• 1:55:21Speaker 01

  And what's next for you? I know you spent a lot of time on the farm with the ostrich. Is it ostriches you have?

• 1:55:28Speaker 00

  We have an emu.

• 1:55:29Speaker 01

  Emu?

• 1:55:30Speaker 00

  Yes, we have an emu. The emu is a character.

• 1:55:34Speaker 00

  But it's mainly about the horses. And we're increasingly turning to our stallion string. We've been breeding for almost 40 years now. And 20 years of Lucetanos, and we finally got to where we wanted to, so we're selling off our mares. We're building a huge

• 1:55:54Speaker 00

  Olympic-sized covered arena. So that's a major construction project. I actually had to take out an agriculture loan. I hate taking out loans. But we did it. It's a, it's kind of a bucket list item for my wife. So that's, that's the big thing going on here. But the, this volunteer government service called the Advisory Committee on Animalization Practices seems to suck up an awful lot of bandwidth. So there's that. And then I have, I'll admit, first time on any media, Brian, I'll, I'll own up. I have developed a fascination with old Porsches.

• 1:56:39Speaker 00

  And, and I have two 996s that are tweaked and high-power. And, and I'm having a lot of fun of bringing those back to life and just, you know, using them for going back and forth to the airport and to DC and whatnot. It's, it's, you know, you get past 65 and you want to do something for yourself. And that, that has, that's been something that I decided to let the reins out a little bit and, and when Jill and I, my wife of, of ever since, we've been together since, I think she was 15.

• 1:57:21Speaker 00

  And she's now in Wikipedia as my longstanding childhood sweetheart.

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  We've always been about horses, but back when we were kids,

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  you know, with our young romance, my dad had a, if you know Porsches, a 356 coupe, 1600 Super 1958. And so that was part of our origin story. So for me, this is a little bit like, you know, I think many folks, when they get to my age, they want to somehow recreate, maybe in the UK, it's old Triumphs. But for me, it's these old historic Porsches. So that's, that's the new passion.

• 1:58:03Speaker 01

  I love it. Well, good for you. Robert, thanks again for what you do. Thank you for the update with Maha. Send all of our positive energy to Bobby and Jay, who's been on the show and Martin and all of your colleagues. And send in you tons of power. And yeah, come see us if you're dropping through London, please.

• 1:58:21Speaker 00

  Let's make a date for when I scoot over to Woke Central in Ulsham and stop by and have a good chinwag.

• 1:58:32Speaker 01

  Okay, fantastic. Let's do that. Malone.news for the Substack. Si wore the book and follow this man on X. Thank you, Robert. Until next time.

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