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0:01 Speaker 00 The Covid vaccines cause heart damage. We're finding out the messenger RNA does not break down and get out of the human body. It's circulating in the bloodstream at least three years after the shots. Probably about 500,000 to 600,000 Americans have died to the vaccine. It's worse than a war.
0:17 Speaker 01 Can you take people back to 2020? I still remember this video of you appealing to the Texas Assembly, where you just said that no one is trying to prescribe any protocol to deal with this.
0:30 Speaker 00 They never discussed treating a Covid patient. The only thing that was presented consistently and strongly was mass vaccination. On the same day, all over the world, at the same time, the press had a talking point. This was astonishing, from East Asia to the United States, Canada, South Africa. The talking point was, "No one is safe." A fear-based message. It was actually coordinated through the WHO.
0:58 Speaker 01 The book is "Vaccines: Mythology, Ideology, and Reality." Why write this book now?
1:03 Speaker 00 We could not understand what was going on through this Covid-19 vaccine debacle. Once we studied smallpox, measles, and diphtheria, and tetanus, and polio, we found these common ingredients of fear at the population level, hubris and arrogance. And there's always been a lot of money in vaccines, and then power. Most of these vaccine leaders were at the right hand of the king or queen or the president. Edward Jenner in the UK, Louis Pasteur in France, Anthony Fauci in the United States. I mean, you can see this now. There's a history here of a non-scientific religious belief in vaccines as a talisman.
1:46 Speaker 00 The only thing that was presented consistently was, "Get vaccinated."
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3:58 Speaker 01 This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Dr. Peter McCullough, the internist, cardiologist, and epidemiologist who became one of the most physical medical voices challenging the official COVID-19 narrative. You've authored over a thousand scientific publications, testified before the US Senate, US House of Representatives, the European Parliament, and multiple state legislatures on public health policy and patient rights. During the pandemic, you developed the McCullough Protocol for Early Treatment, and more recently, a base spike detoxification protocol for those concerned about vaccine-related health effects. Your latest book, Vaccines: Mythology, Ideology, and Reality, addresses what you call the largest public health policy failure in modern history.
4:42 Speaker 01 Today, we'll discuss what people should do if they're worried about the COVID-19 vaccine, why no country has issued a safety review, and why governments continue buying boosters despite collapsing demand. Peter, welcome back to London Real.
4:55 Speaker 00 This sounds like a science fiction movie, Brian. I just can't believe it. We've entered a time of great controversy, no doubt.
5:05 Speaker 01 No doubt. And I distinctly remember our previous conversation three or four years ago, and I remember watching your testimony in front of, I think it was the Texas Congress or the legislature there, where you were spelling out and talking about your frustrations that you couldn't take action. And I think that if I had just had the McCullough Protocol, and if so many people would have known that, would have saved us so much struggle and pain. And so I guess I'll just kick it off. There's a lot of people around the world, doctor, that are worried about the effect that the COVID-19 vaccine has on their health. And there's so many questions. There's so many people talking about it, but I don't think they know what to do. What should they do?
5:43 Speaker 00 Well, you're broadcasting from Europe, and around the country, people took a whole array of different vaccines. So China and South America largely used the killed a Sinovac vaccine, just the virus and killing it, injecting it. That looked like it was the most benign vaccine. And then there was a high-tech antigen vaccine. Called Novavax, we have, still have it available in the United States. That was probably next in line in terms of safety. Then we got into the genetic vaccines. These were big gambles, AstraZeneca and Janssen, nearly identical, by the way, adenoviral vaccines. And they were made by the same company, by the way, Emergent Biosolutions in the United States.
6:27 Speaker 00 And then lastly, the messenger RNA vaccines, Pfizer and Moderna. In the United States, eighty-one percent of Americans took one or more shots, according to USA Facts, which uses the CDC tabular data. But only seventy percent of Americans took two shots. You know, only seventy percent became fully vaccinated. Now, as you pointed out, the CDC won't even tell us how many people are taking boosters. We're on booster number nine. And my estimate it is, it's close to zero. The CDC won't tell us. You're right, the countries keep buying vaccines and then just pouring them down the drain.
7:08 Speaker 01 Hmm, wow, wow. I want to get into why they're doing that and maybe even how, why they have not issued any safety reviews. You know, look, we broadcast all throughout that time. And I was lucky to spend time with you and Jay Bhattacharya and Dr. Martin Koldorf and Bobby Kennedy. And so I was in a beautiful seat and I can make a decision. But I know so many of my loved ones that just weren't privy to the information. And a lot of them regret taking it and they don't know what to do. And I'm wondering, how would people find out if they have side effects? Or what they even could do to maybe protect against having taken that vaccine?
7:45 Speaker 00 People should know now that, let's focus on Pfizer, Moderna here in the United States. Ninety-four percent of those who took a shot, took one of the messenger RNA vaccines. We're finding out the messenger RNA does not break down and get out of the human body. So this is alarming. Kariko and Weisman won the Nobel Prize for the process of pseudo-euridination, making the messenger RNA fully synthetic. And this synthetic genetic code is, is unassailable from human enzymes that normally would break it down. In research, we have some of my patients now in collaboration with Germany. We can find messenger RNA in the bloodstream, inside white blood cells, even in organs like the skin on skin biopsy, 3.2 years after the shots.
8:30 Speaker 00 The messenger RNA is still cranking out the spike protein. The spike protein is the spine on the surface of the virus. So it's this little, this little spike here. The genetic code for the spike protein is produced in the body for an uncontrolled duration and uncontrolled quantity. And what we do is we measure it. We measure the antibodies to the spike protein as a proxy for how much is in the body on a quantitative scale using the Roche Lexis platform. And then we can actually use research labs and directly measure spike protein concurrent with the messenger RNA data. It's circulating in the bloodstream, you know, at least three years after the shots. The spike protein damages the heart, causes blood clots, strokes, nervous system problems
9:15 Speaker 00 and immunologic problems. So one of the keys is to get rid of spike protein. And that's the reason why we dedicated all of our scholarship and give great credit to the Japanese for the discovery of Natto kinase. Natto kinase is a natural enzyme derived from the fermentation of soy or chickpeas. Bromelin derived from a family of enzymes derived from pineapple also breaks down the spike protein. They can be taken as supplements. And then curcumin derived from turmeric blocks the inflammatory effects of the spike protein. So we've combined them all in one. I'm the chief scientific officer of the wellness company that has the premier combination product called the Ultimate Spike Detox. And this is the most popular way worldwide.
9:58 Speaker 00 The people are now starting to address this mistake of taking the vaccines. The Ultimate Spike Detox, in my experience, needs to be taken for about a year. We remeasure the spike test in the bloodstream. We see declines, patients improve in terms of their symptoms, and we think we can get them out of this, this jam.
10:17 Speaker 01 Now, in order for that to help them, they have to be aware that they actually could be vaccine injured. And I'm curious, doctor, how many people even know that that's a possibility? And then, maybe of those people, how many people maybe take action towards that?
10:33 Speaker 00 My recent Senate testimony, May 21st, 2025, you know, we identified that the government was covering up. I mean, the US government agencies were covering up heart damage due to the vaccines called myocarditis. This is now fully in a US Senate Permanent Investigations Committee report. The vaccine manufacturers now put in the package insert an admission that the COVID vaccines cause heart damage. Well, I can tell you, as a cardiologist, no degree of heart damage is acceptable. And so, a recent Rasmussen survey, to address your question, after, you know, our Senate hearings, I was the lead witness, asked the
11:15 Speaker 00 United States public in a valid survey, and the answer was 51% of Americans now know the vaccines cause heart damage. So it's just slightly more than that of those who don't. But, you know, the next cardiac arrest that occurs in a perfectly healthy person, or, you know, fatal seizure, or you name it, in somebody previously healthy, the first question we should ask is, did they take a COVID-19 vaccine? I'm still seeing new heart damage, blood clots, cardiac arrests, even years after the shots.
11:49 Speaker 01 You know, I do see on X and Twitter, all the time, anecdotal evidence, you know, this young sports star has the heart attack, this person does this, person does that. Is that just humans identifying pieces? Or would we actually seen much younger people suffering heart damage that could be related to the vaccine?
12:09 Speaker 00 We certainly see the anecdotes, and I can tell you, for every public figure that we see develop a clear-cut vaccine problem, there has to be, you know, tens or hundreds of thousands, even millions, of, you know, people that are not public figures. So, you know, when Eric Clapton came out and said he can't play the guitar because he has, you know, vaccine-amplified neuropathy, I had a chance to examine Eric. You know, I can tell you, there are millions like him who develop these problems. Megyn Kelly, who came out and said she has an autoimmune problem. Kirk Herbstreet, my favorite ESPN announcer, vaccine blood clots. Yet other public figures can't see it.
12:54 Speaker 00 Former Dallas Cowboy, great Deion Sanders, takes the shots, you know, public about it, develops vaccine blood clots in the legs, arterial and venous, needs amputations. I mean, this is a big deal. He had some altered anatomy and a family history of vascular disease to begin with. Had no business taking shots. He did it. He does a whole docu-series on his recovery after the amputations, doesn't mention the vaccines. Now Deion Sanders is in the news with what's called a turbo cancer. And a man in his 50s has had his whole bladder removed because of, you know, an aggressive cancer. His now urine's collected into a bag. I've never seen that in my career in medicine, a man in his 50s with that aggressive bladder cancer.
13:38 Speaker 00 And when we go to the medical literature, we find descriptions of exactly these cases.
13:45 Speaker 01 So in many ways, the psychological operations are still in full force. And there are people that will probably never refuse, will refuse to even consider alternate pieces. But other people are opening their minds up a little bit more, like you said, that they're starting to question and to even understand that there are some bad areas. Where are we with that psychological war? Also, it seems like many people have forgot about what happened a few years ago. I'm curious how those mix together.
14:13 Speaker 00 You know, in our book, Vaccines, Mythology, Ideology, and Reality, we point out that vaccines have been presented to the public now for centuries as articles of faith, as if we need to have a religious belief in vaccines. Many times doctors will ask, "Do you believe in vaccines?" And nobody asks me if I believe in, you know, blood pressure lowering medicine or cholesterol lowering medicine. Why do we have to believe in vaccines? Well, it comes from this archetypal fear of being invaded by foreign invaders, and that through the hubris of mankind, the brilliance of vaccinology, that doctors can improve upon God's creation, can make the body more resilient.
14:57 Speaker 00 And I know you as somebody, you know, you are a man of resilience with all your efforts in, as being a triathlete, you know, myself as a marathoner. You know, we know human resilience is something that's inherent in us. And then this idea that there's always been a feeling that the vaccines aren't perfect, so in order for this to work, everybody must take a vaccine. And so if some are injured or die as a result of taking the vaccine, they should take it for the betterment of humanity. And that's called vaccine ideology. I think it's operative. The last time I testified in the Senate, there was no pushback
15:42 Speaker 00 on vaccine injuries, disabilities, and deaths. So from those on the other side, which was Richard Blumenthal and then Hawaii Governor Josh Green, they just kept saying it was worth it. It was worth it, that the vaccines saved lives, so therefore it's justified for the vaccines to take lives. And I think that's the ethical dilemma now that the public has come to realize.
16:06 Speaker 01 You know, I was in a really tricky situation, doctor, because I was a man of science. You know, I graduated from MIT with an engineering degree. And so I fell in love with the science and in many ways I was blinded by the science. And I still remember my live episode with Bobby Kennedy in May 2020, where I told him, you know, vaccines are something I learned out of at school and they clearly work. And he said, you know what, Brian? He said, when you get humans involved, this is when they don't work. And he broke it all down for me. But if I hadn't had that conversation, I think all of my science training would have made it very hard for me to see through that. And I'm wondering if, if you see this happen a lot with doctors that you know and other people in science, where they, is it blinded by it or seduced by it? I don't know what it is.
16:52 Speaker 00 Scientists, actually, I think, seek security through consensus and through guidelines and through their societies. And, and like you, I, you know, vaccines weren't a big part of my practice, but I never questioned them. I had taken all the vaccines. I, I had taken extra vaccines when I visited a rainforest one time. So I was, you know, I took a flu shot every year because that was necessary to be on medical staff. And, you know, I took it. I just never questioned them. And then in the book, I, you know, I, I just vaguely pulled together some recollections where my brother, who's here in Dallas, he had a colleague who just took a routine flu shot
17:36 Speaker 00 and developed Guillain-Barre syndrome, where he was paralyzed and bedridden the rest of his life. And it just raises the issue. The chances of you and I getting influenza per year are way less than 1%. If we get flu, we have multiple FDA-approved drugs. Secondary antibiotics is a very treatable condition. Would you and I ever take any risk of being permanently paralyzed from a flu shot? Would we ever do that? And, you know, that was really amplified with the COVID-19 vaccines. And myself and my co-author John Leake, what we thought was, listen, if the vaccine
18:15 Speaker 00 community now can turn a complete blind eye to a massive number of deaths in the United States, the 19,000 deaths reported to the CDC by doctors who, you know, have determined the vaccines are the cause of death, 1,000 Americans died in the vaccine center or a few hours later, another 1,000 died the next day. If our government can turn a blind eye to that, then what did happen over the course of history? And that's when we started to, you know, do our research and scholarship. And we were astounded to learn that, you know, even in the late 19th century, people
18:58 Speaker 00 were put in jail in Boston, Toronto, in the UK if they refused a smallpox vaccine. Can you imagine? You're actually incarcerated if you don't go along with the vaccine narrative.
19:10 Speaker 01 Wow, I did not even know that was true. And why has no country issued a safety review? I know you spoke to Congress. And do you believe that the US will at some point do that? Obviously, I can see what Bobby's doing in there, but he's got a lot of things to do. How come no country has come out? And do you think they will?
19:28 Speaker 00 This is, it was the topic of my Chautauqua lecture. I recently lectured in Chautauqua in Western New York. That's where, you know, the Roosevelts have lectured and many dignitaries. You may recall Salman Rushdie was actually stabbed on stage in Chautauqua in 2022. But at Chautauqua, Brian, what I did is I laid out these medical controversies where the medical orthodoxy is on the wrong side of things.
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20:44 Speaker 00 I mean, orthodoxy, I mean, the practicing medical community, the government agencies, you know, pretty much the entire complex. And I pointed out that we had a cocaine epidemic. The first grade cocaine epidemic was 1860 to 1920. Every medicinal made by Merck and Sanofi and all the drug companies was derivatives of cocaine. Cocaine was in Chianti wine, Coca-Cola. And all the journal articles were all about the salutary effects of cocaine. William Halsted, the father of modern surgery, became a cocaine addict because he was using it as an anesthetic and also self-experimenting. Sigmund Freud became a cocaine addict.
21:28 Speaker 00 So this was so bad that, you know, the doctors weren't doing anything about this. Coca-Cola had to voluntarily pull it out of their products. So did the makers of Chianti wine, Pemberton wines. And it went all the way to Woodrow Wilson, who started to take action in 1913. Finally, in the UK, they just banned it. But the doctors, the point is, for 60 years, the doctors didn't step forward. There was one paper published in JAMA, our major medical journal in the United States, that expressed any concern about the rampant addictive properties of cocaine used in modern medicine. So that was the first example of 60 years, the medical community could not rein it in
22:13 Speaker 00 on safety. The next example is smoking.
22:17 Speaker 00 Now, smoking, I put that 1920 all the way to at least 1964. And we had Sir Austin Bradford Hill, as well as William Dowley in the UK, present compelling data that smoking causes lung cancer. They presented it. They did a follow-up study. It was convincing. The entire medical community rejected them because the doctors were smoking, the nurses were smoking, and Philip Reynolds and RGR had doctor-smoking promotional campaigns. Everyone smoked at the CDC and the NIH and the FDA and the MHRA, the Medical Research Council. So they were rejected. In fact, the tobacco companies went after these guys with a vengeance.
23:00 Speaker 00 They were smeared and canceled and professionally destroyed. This went all the way to 1964. And Luther Terry, the Surgeon General, calls all the chiefs of medicine to Washington and says, "I've got bad news for you. Smoking causes lung cancer." They still can't accept this. And then finally, 1972, the AMA has its first educational campaign about the hazards of smoking. So let me tell you, on cocaine and smoking, doctors were on the wrong side of those arguments. And it took decades. Now they're deeply on the wrong side of these COVID-19 vaccines. And I don't know how long it's going to take. We're five years into the vaccine debacle.
23:41 Speaker 01 I remember seeing these old Lucky Strike ads where three out of five doctors recommend Lucky Strike unfiltered cigarettes. And they're just shocking to read. I guess it shows you the level of brainwashing then, and it's alive today.
23:56 Speaker 00 Right.
23:57 Speaker 01 You know, most people think of the lockdown and the pandemic and COVID as this distant memory, but I think most people will believe that something like it will happen again, if not in our lifetime, maybe in the next decade. And I'm just wondering, if we still haven't admitted these effects, how much in danger are we of repeating the same thing? Or are we much more aware? Or is that really just being oblivious?
24:24 Speaker 00 We've had predictions from Tedros Kabrasis at the WHO, Anthony Fauci, Ashish Ja, former White House coordinator, Bill Gates. They're all say there's gonna be another pandemic. They call it Disease X. All the experts agree it's gonna come out of a bio lab. It's not coming out of nature. It's gonna be just like SARS-CoV-2, which came out of the Wuhan Institute of Virology. All the US intelligence agencies agree it's a man-made virus. There's gonna be another one. That these bio labs are proliferating. They're all over the world. There are leaks. There's well documented hundreds of leaks. Sooner or later, a bad pathogen's gonna get out, and then we're gonna be off to another pandemic.
25:09 Speaker 00 These shouldn't come up, you know, once every 100 to 200 years, not every several years. On top of that, we can see how this biopharmaceutical complex now is gaming the system. So if there's enough fear and messaging on an outbreak, then governments can, will be, you know, in a sense, seduced to buy large quantities of vaccines. And then this biopharmaceutical complex, they financially benefit. There's, there's really trillions involved when we're talking about the WHO, the World Economic Forum, United Nations, Gates Foundation, Rockefeller Foundation, Welcome Trust, all the regulatory agencies and the companies making the products.
25:54 Speaker 00 There's trillions of dollars involved. So let me give you an example. Monkeypox outbreak. Well, you know, we got to the point where Biden declared a national and public health emergency for monkeypox. That was enough to trigger purchase of the Genios monkeypox vaccine. You know, nobody took it, but the company was rewarded with a massive contract. So, you know, mission accomplished. There was enough of a monkeypox scare to make this happen. Next one has been bird flu or avian influenza. The same thing. There's been enough fear to trigger purchase of vaccines. The EU purchased a massive number of human bird flu vaccines. And now we're Seeing the emergence of the Chikyuna virus born by mosquitoes in China.
26:38 Speaker 00 And guess what? There was a new vaccine that just came to market a few months ago. So you can start to see the business model of pandemics. And then mass vaccination and and the purchaser is government. So you don't even have to to market it to the public.
26:56 Speaker 01 And now they've had a great case study in psychological operations. It worked pretty well and they've learned things. They're really very good at messaging and repetition and all the other aspects of those. They call fifth generation psyops. So I guess they've learned and they're ready to deploy again.
27:14 Speaker 00 It looks like it. You can see some of these tactics. One of them is called flooding the zone. We highlight this in my first book Courage to Face COVID-19. So let me give you an example, Brian. So in 2020, on the same day, all over the world, at the same time, the press had a talking point. This was astonishing from East Asia to the United States, Canada, South Africa. And in 2020, the talking point was, no one is safe. A fear based message and then some B roll of some, you know, grisly people wearing masks or in body bags. No one is safe. And so people have said, listen, how is that coordinated?
27:58 Speaker 00 And across all that investigative attorney Lisa Myron from Toronto believes it was actually coordinated through the WHO. WHO is over 190 member nations and they have over what's called 140 national focal points. That is communication nodes. One in the United States is in Washington called PAHO, the Pan American Health Organization. So that's how these messages come out simultaneously like that. So it kind of synchronizes the world.
28:27 Speaker 01 And it's just incredible how fear can be used. You know, I, I remember, Doctor, you know, extremely intelligent friends I had, MIT grads, successful entrepreneurs, billionaires, who, when that happened, because of that campaign of fear, these guys were the ones that were out there when their groceries were delivered, wiping down every single bottle and every single package. And I remember looking at them, saying, this can't be the same person that could conquer anything in the real world, that could solve any problem, that had the resilience to do anything. And yet, when the fear was dialed in a certain way, and coordinated, and maybe towards your
29:07 Speaker 01 health, I saw what I thought were extremely intelligent, credible people, break down to where I, I couldn't even understand their, their decisions anymore.
29:18 Speaker 00 They literally lost their minds. In my first book, we have an opening scene where this man is so frustrated with the pandemic, he gets on a paddleboard in San Francisco Bay with his dog, and he paddles way far away from shore, just to get some relief. And then, sure enough, a coastguard boat comes out to intercept him and arrest him for not wearing a mask. And you, you can see that, that this, uh, this idea, you know, masking was a good example of how people lost their minds. People wearing masks in cars, driving alone, even wearing masks in Olympic swimming pools. And, you know, it, it came to symbolize some type of mania. Another is just taking vaccines. Think about this.
30:03 Speaker 00 We're, we're, we're told right now, in our USFDA, the new staffers, Prasad and, and Macary, they published a paper in the New England Journal of Medicine, saying a third of Americans should still be taking COVID vaccines. So how can taking eight shots of synthetic message RNA, how can that be healthy in any
30:25 Speaker 00 You know, it it's inexplicable.
30:28 Speaker 01 Yeah, you mentioned Tedros from the WHO. And I'm curious, I know that they had tried to get everyone to sign this. I think it was the pandemic preparedness treaty. And I believe that Marco Rubio has opted out of that in the last month or so. And some people were calling that a pretty surprising step forward, where they were going to try to kind of seize control of sovereign nations in the event that they would determine there's a new pandemic. First of all, am I getting that right? And do you see that as a positive sign?
30:59 Speaker 00 Well, we had the pandemic treaty, alliance, international health regulations. You know, the United States didn't sign off at the last minute. It was Trump and you're right, because the Department of State and USAID are representatives. They pulled out Kennedy, you know, wanted us to pull out. And that was the right move. But, you know, the UK signed on to it. So did all the other countries. What it does now is it gives binding by international law, the WHO, the ability to declare a pandemic, to declare contagion control measures like locking down, masking. And then the WHO can conduct and direct a global mass vaccination program. And this isn't just for human disease. They want dominion over all plants, animals and humans.
31:43 Speaker 00 So the WHO is part of this incredible power grab that we're seeing worldwide and this tension between globalization and then, you know, resistance to it.
31:58 Speaker 01 You know, Dr. You mentioned kind of, you know, the history of the medical establishment not being able to recognize the cocaine issue, the tobacco issue. But is there any historical precedent for this entire vaccine debacle?
32:10 Speaker 00 Nothing close to it. I just can't imagine convincing the entire world to do something.
32:17 Speaker 00 You know, like you, I travel the world. There's great differences from country to country. You can't get countries to agree on anything. How the entire world fell into mass vaccination. You know, the estimation is probably about two thirds of the world's population took a vaccine. Now, the countries that essentially were unvaccinated, like, you know, and they were simply too poor to the governments to procure vaccines, like Ivory Coast or Haiti, they're the ones who came out the best. There's been multiple analysis showing that the least vaccinated countries did the best. The most heavily vaccinated countries did the worst. And the countries that are fair about the data, like the Czech Republic,
32:57 Speaker 00 show it's among the vaccinated who are having difficulties with fertility and fetal loss and all-cause mortality skyrocketing. Because the vaccines contribute to cardiovascular mortality, to cancer outcomes, as well as, you know, the other fractions, all-cause mortality in 12 studies now is rising as a result of mass vaccination.
33:24 Speaker 01 Wow. Can you take people back to 2020? And you and the stand that you made? And again, I still remember this, this video of you appealing, you know, to the, I guess it was the Texas Assembly, where you just said that, you know, I could not understand as a medical professional that no one is trying to prescribe any protocol to deal with this. And you were just almost flabbergasted. And it felt like everybody in that room was nodding their head with you, saying, "This guy seems to be making a ton of sense." It was almost like you were calling out the thing that nobody could see, maybe because of all the fear. I was wondering if you could walk us through that
34:05 Speaker 01 and what it was like to be that guy in 2020, because it wasn't easy.
34:11 Speaker 00 Well, in 2020, I was a full professor of medicine. I was the most published person in my field in history. And I saw this COVID-19 pandemic evolving. And within a few months, I realized that, you know, there was no solution being proposed by Harvard, or by Yale, or UCLA, or Emory, or any of our marquee institutions. And across the world, nothing out of London, Karolinska, you can just go down the list. No academic medical center had an approach. They had no protocol. This was stunning. And people were getting sick at home. There were two bad outcomes: hospitalization and death. And the medical establishment was doing nothing to stop these hospitalizations and deaths.
34:55 Speaker 00 So I put all my efforts into this. Initially, I got large research grants, dedicated my research team to this, developed a national team. We published the first protocol to treat COVID-19. And we published it in August of 2020. That's pretty rapid, since it takes months to do all this work. And it became the protocol for the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons. I presented it in the U.S. Senate in November of 2020. I mean, I did this everything as I possibly could. And fortunately, people were treated. And those who were treated did avoid hospitalization and death. Sadly, those who didn't, you know, they ended up in the hospital or worse.
35:35 Speaker 00 But then, as the vaccines rolled out, early in 2021, I was called to the U.S., I'm sorry, the Texas Senate, Health and Human Services. That's the video probably you're thinking of. And every presentation, I sat there for hours. Every presentation was about masking, and lockdowns, and personal protective equipment, and vaccines. Not a single one was about treating sick patients. So I appealed to Senator Culquart, and I said, "Where is the interest in treating people sick right now? Why is everybody focused on a vaccine? A vaccine is not treatment." And people who take vaccines, they were still getting COVID, so we have to treat them anyway.
36:19 Speaker 00 And people had this blind spot to treatment. Well, that video, as you point out, you know, that was picked up by Tucker Carlson. Tucker had me on the next couple of months. And I sat down and explained this to him. He goes, "You can't, because I can't believe that Harvard, after a year and a half, doesn't know what to do when a sick COVID patient calls." It's just, it's all the brain power in Boston, you train there. I mean, I was the endowed visiting professor at Harvard in 2019. I lectured in two divisions, cardiology and nephrology. Listen, Harvard's got, Boston's got a lot of brain power. Why were they suddenly out of intellectual ammo? They froze and they could do nothing to help COVID patients. It's astonishing.
37:00 Speaker 01 Did they freeze? Were they told not to? Or is it just when you're motivated by money? It's easy. What do they say? If, if, if a man makes his living from something, it's very hard for him to, to see any other argument around it. I'm butchering that, but why do you think that was? Or is that a whole nother episode?
37:19 Speaker 00 Well, listen, I was at Baylor at the time and, you know, I didn't get any emails saying that, you know, hey, don't do anything until we get a vaccine. I think it was paralysis. In fact, I was in a Harvard consortium called Stop COVID. I'll never forget it. David Leaf was the principal investigator. I said terrific, we're going to stop COVID. What are our projects? And then the, the group really essentially was just going to observe COVID. They weren't going to stop it at all. UT Southwestern here in Dallas, well known for, you know, its Nobel laureates. You know, I attended school here in South, in Southwestern in Dallas. You know, they were on TV because they were modeling.
37:59 Speaker 00 They were modeling how the virus was spreading. Another one of my alumni organizations, University of Washington in Seattle. Again, Nobel laureates there. They were modeling. So everybody wanted to look at this. Nobody wanted to do anything. Even my counterpart, Scott Atlas, from the Hoover Institute at Stanford. Scott and I were chosen by The Hill, which is the most widely read journal for the House, the Senate and the White House, to write op-eds every month about the pandemic.
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39:24 Speaker 00 2020, Scott was writing about how, you know, masking and lockdowns, what have you. I was writing about how are we going to treat this to get people through the illness? And so you can tell that just and Scott wrote a book. He was ultimately invited in the White House for nine months with Trump. According to Scott's book, after nine months of meetings with him and others and Jay Bhattacharya, who's now at the NIH, they never discussed treating a COVID patient. It was all about masks and lockdowns and just not treating the problem. This is astonishing. Trump got an early version of the McCullough protocol in April of 2020. He got through the infection. It should be celebrated, but yet there's still to this day a blind eye in treatment.
40:09 Speaker 00 There was no channel in London that was presenting any updates of what people should do about COVID-19. And yet, great literature was developing regarding using nasal sprays and gargles to prevent transmission. They were far more effective than vaccines. The early treatment protocols refined, even government issued drugs were not promoted, like Paxlovid and molnupiravir and bemalivimab and all the monoclonal antibodies. They were kind of undermined. The only thing that was presented consistently and strongly was mass vaccination.
40:44 Speaker 01 And can you remind us a little bit about the McCullough Protocol? Because as I remember you describing it to me, it seemed like some really practical, you know, things like you just said, you know, with gargling and the nasal cleansing and some other basic pieces that I wish I would have known that, but I wasn't privy to that information. What was it?
41:03 Speaker 00 Well, McCullough Protocol started by saying, listen, we're all gonna get COVID. Turns out that was right. All this, you know, wearing masks and everything was predicated on the fact that you could avoid getting COVID. Turns out, everybody got it. Ninety-seven percent of people, biologically, got COVID. So it started out with the right premise. We're gonna get it. Okay, so just get ready for it. And then the next step was risk stratification, meaning it's seemingly a very mild illness. And largely, people under 50, we didn't need to do anything. In fact, largely, we didn't treat anybody under 50. But if there were, you know, under 50, over 50, we start to have problems: obesity, heart
41:45 Speaker 00 disease, lung disease, kidney disease, cancer, elderly. That's where the risks were high enough for hospitalization and death. We should do something. Well, what can we do? Open the windows, air out the house. All the transmission just about occurred in the home. Re-breathing the virus was re-amplifying the inoculum, so we need fresh air. I used to get my patients outside, front porch, back porch, all the time. Just don't stay in the house and keep re-breathing the virus. Nasal sprays and gargles. Turned out, everything worked: saline, dilute iodine, xylitol-based. Multiple clinical trials, super important. Twice a day for prevention, and then you can accelerate every four hours in acute treatment.
42:27 Speaker 00 There were even randomized trials of nasal sprays and gargles in the hospital, and they improved outcomes. Yet hospitals didn't adopt nasal sprays and gargles. After that, it was nutraceuticals and supplements. We had very good data. Every study done showed vitamin D was preventive and therapeutic at higher doses, vitamin C, zinc. We used cursatine, had positive data. In Asia, they used other, you know, other forms of Medicinal and culinary herbs. And then an over the counter drug in the United States, famotidine. Huge University of Virginia study showed that that is an antihistamine that that had benefit. After that, we moved into the antivirals and there was always a choice. And this is where all the focus was, but there was always a choice.
43:10 Speaker 00 Hydroxycoracaine, ivermectin, and when they came online, Paxlovid and molnupiravir. And the antivirals were neither necessary nor sufficient, yet everybody wanted to focus on the antivirals. After that, antibiotics, very important, azithromycin or doxycycline. Aspirin, corticosteroids for inflammation, colchicine for inflammation, and then blood thinners, antithrombotics. That's the McCullough protocol. So it was a very well thought out, stratified protocol that gave choices. Offered monoclonal antibodies when they are available, high tech operation warp speed. No one should have had an argument with McCullough protocol. The sad, the sadness is that Harvard never came out with a competing protocol.
43:55 Speaker 00 Or neither did the Royal Free Hospital in London or, or any other institution. In medicine, we always compete. And I was out there saying, where's the competition? This is stunning.
44:06 Speaker 01 Such a strange time. I'm curious what you think of, there was some recent news. Well, we saw the inclusion of people like Dr. Robert Malone and Dr. Martin Kulldoff in this Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. And I'm wondering what you think that means for policy going forward. You know, for me, it was just strange to see a list of names that were, you know, persona non grata on any media channel in 21, 22. Now all of a sudden be on a panel that are going to be advising on that. Is that a step forward in your opinion?
44:37 Speaker 00 Well, we're talking about ASAP. So the Advisory Panel, Advisory Committee for Immunization Practices, or ASAP. Now, Brian, you and I, five years ago, wouldn't even know what ASAP is. I mean, think about, you know, I guaranteed five or 10 years ago, we didn't even know who the Secretary of Health and Human Services was.
44:57 Speaker 01 True, true, true.
44:58 Speaker 00 Right? I mean, you think about this.
45:00 Speaker 01 Or who the WHO was.
45:01 Speaker 00 Now, this is in the public.
45:02 Speaker 01 Yeah, who ran the WHO?
45:03 Speaker 00 Yeah, I knew the WHO vaguely, but, you know, I didn't know Alex Azar was a drug company vice president, and he was brought in under Obama and continued in under Trump. I didn't know Secretary Becerra was a lifetime politician brought in to head up HHS under Biden. Now, everybody knows Robert F. Kennedy, right? So it's interesting. So now we are paying attention. Well, this ASIB committee had 17 members. It's been codified into law. 29 affiliate organizations. It used to actually have the CDC director as the chairperson. It does have government agency officials on the panel.
45:46 Speaker 00 And this group, over time, essentially became a rubber-stamp panel for vaccines. That's essentially what they were.
45:53 Speaker 01 Okay.
45:54 Speaker 00 And so, Robert F. Kennedy dismisses all 17 members of the panel, much to the chagrin of these 29 affiliated organizations, like the American Academy of Pediatrics. Then he was able to get like six people to sit for the first committee meeting, so nowhere near the 17. And what do they do? They actually just go ahead and rubber-stamp the whole vaccine schedule again. So it's, it's very interesting. I mean, they made a minor token move and said to recommend it against the mercury-containing influenza vaccines, which is only 4% of the shots. So whether it's the 17 old or the six new, it's the same outcome. So everyone's scratching their heads on this.
46:38 Speaker 00 So, you know, people talk big as, you know, independent citizens, but once they get locked into a government position and they go through White House and HHS Ethics and sign off, then we don't see that same type of action that we would expect.
46:55 Speaker 01 How would you say, in your opinion, that Bobby is doing? You know, it's hard for me to even know what is happening because of all of the previous mainstream media that were always against Bobby. And then there's obviously, they try to magnify certain issues, like it's the food dyes here, and it's the this here, and then occasionally we hear about the vaccines. I'm just curious how you think he's doing, what kind of forces he's up against, and how much can he actually get done? And also, a huge bureaucracy that's filled with people that probably don't really want him there.
47:31 Speaker 00 Well, keep in mind, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the son of Bobby Kennedy, our slain Attorney General, who is a brother of, you know, Robert F. Kennedy. That is a storied family in the United States. The Americans have followed the Kennedys for decades, and a beloved family. And that Robert F. Kennedy is an attorney, he's not a doctor. And he wanted to be president, this is very important. So his greatest contribution so far, I think, is actually joining forces with Trump. I mean, many, it'd be my private interpretation, that Kennedy greatly assisted Trump in getting elected. I think that'd be a fair conclusion. I think that's his biggest contribution.
48:15 Speaker 00 Now, as Secretary in Health and Human Services, in everything that we've seen, you know, his shortcoming is, he's not a powerful doctor. And I think, at this point in time, we have to have a powerful doctor to head up Health and Human Services that can go toe-to-toe with every chair of medicine in the country scientifically, and just set the new stage. And you just can't do that without a doctor's training and background. And that's, and that's the shortcoming. So, I think he's doing as well as he can. It seems pretty scattered, you know, food dyes, and fluoride, and just kind of all these relatively small things that, you know, that have been around for decades.
48:59 Speaker 00 And the looming two big issues are COVID-19 vaccines still on the market. And, you know, when we extrapolate from the 19,000 reported deaths to the CDC and confirm, the real number of unreported deaths out there total is probably about 500,000 to 600,000 Americans have died of the vaccine. It's worse than a war. And we, you know, once in office, Kennedy provides no acknowledgement of that. Neither does Trump or Biden. No world leader has acknowledged this. So that's the big ticket item. The next big ticket item is this looming autism epidemic in in developed countries.
49:42 Speaker 00 And its potential connection to the this, you know, greatly expanded vaccine schedule, given during the critical period of neurologic development in children. Those are the big issues. If you ask me, that's a lot bigger than than food dies. Or, you know, so we've got now, we've burned six months and we haven't really made progress on the two big issues. We've got three and a half years to go.
50:10 Speaker 01 I guess it's good. I do hear Trump messaging the autism, or at least I did a month or two ago. Obviously, he's got a ton on his plate, too. But I he voiced that quite a few times. It seems to really bother him, as it should. And talking about our children and not to mention the ones around the world. Do you think that is going to get the attention it needs? Or is it just not in a lot of people's interest to talk about that? Because they're all kind of complicit with all of these vaccines that were prescribed over decades.
50:38 Speaker 00 Whether it's Trump or Robert F. Kennedy, it's hard for them to get any traction unless the medical establishment comes behind them. This is very important. You know, there's a million doctors out there, half a million nurse practitioners. There's only about 70,000 naturopathic doctors. But, you know, every single medical society signed off on the COVID-19 vaccines, including the naturopathic societies, to tell you the truth. There was just, it just, it was so uniform. And now this endorsement of this, you know, rapidly expanding vaccine schedule. There's only one physician organization that that bucked the trend. That's one I belong to. It's called the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons.
51:20 Speaker 00 They, from the very beginning, said, no, these COVID vaccines don't look safe. And about 25 years ago, APS issued a decree that said, no vaccines.
51:31 Speaker 00 Should actually be a requirement to go to school or university or military, what have you. You know, everything should be elective, every medical invention, including vaccination should be elective. But the rest of the community went along with this, so it'd be very hard for Kennedy or Trump to say, well, we're gonna do this against the entire medical establishment. And so, for instance, let's take autism. The CDC has an autism network. It's scientifically very sound, sixteen centers. And they are reporting this astronomical rise in autism. It's just ballooning. Right now, one in thirty-one children are three point two percent of all children.
52:10 Speaker 00 Certain states like California, it's over five percent. I mean, twenty-five percent of autism is profound autism, where the children are severely disabled. They'll never, you know, have a normal adult life.
52:22 Speaker 01 Why high in California? Do we know why?
52:25 Speaker 00 Why California? It's interesting. You know, California is one of the more heavily vaccinated states. They have almost no ability to become exempt from vaccines. But in the autism network by the CDC, there's a rate of autism over five percent in California, but under one percent in Laredo, Texas. I mean, it's just, it's astonishing. But here's the point. When the CDC publishes the manuscripts on this tsunami of autism, the conclusions are not alarming. The conclusions are, oh, well, we should just plan for more special needs services.
53:03 Speaker 00 There's no call to investigate what's going on. There's, there's no medical curiosity. You look in schools of public health, they have no core curriculum on the rising autism epidemic. You don't see requests for applications for major research initiatives into the determinants of autism.
53:23 Speaker 00 So if the medical community is not going to move on a big issue like autism, or let's say on heart damage or blood clots from the COVID vaccines, it's going to be very hard for somebody in federal government to do something. So the key for Trump and for Robert F. Kennedy is to actually build bridges with the medical establishment. We're still not seeing these meetings in Washington where all the chiefs of medicine are called in to discuss an agenda. They're called Bethesda meetings. They used to happen before the pandemic. We're not seeing that. You know, no one's called me to Washington to present my interpretation of, you know, what's gone on here for the medical establishment.
54:06 Speaker 00 And I've given over 200 public programs in the United States. I've lectured all over the world, thousands of people in the audience, but they're laypeople. They're not, they're not medical schools or doctors.
54:17 Speaker 01 Is that because of this kind of antagonistic relationship that Bobby's had with that medical community for the past few years? Is that why maybe that hasn't come together?
54:27 Speaker 00 I think it's part of it. I mean, he should himself go on a lecture circuit and he should be lecturing at, at medical establishments. Anthony Fauci did. He should, and he should bring me or anyone else who's published extensively on the pandemic to start presenting data. This is very important. I mean, that's how we learn. Remember with this great cocaine epidemic, there was only one paper in JAMA ever in 60 years that expressed any concern regarding the addictive potential of cocaine. Right now, there's not a single paper in New England Journal, Madison, JAMA, or Lancet that's concluded that the risks of vaccination outweigh theoretical benefits.
55:12 Speaker 00 Or there's not one paper that says we should probably end the vaccine program. It's kind of over with. That tells you that there is a massive bias that's inculcated the medical establishment.
55:25 Speaker 01 I like the speaking to her idea. I hope Bobby sees this and takes you up. I think that's a fantastic idea. The book is Vaccines: Mythology, Ideology, and Reality. Doctor, why write this book now?
55:38 Speaker 00 We could not understand, just like you've been asking me these questions, Brian, we could not understand what was going on in the brains of doctors and the public through this COVID-19 vaccine debacle. Once we studied smallpox, and we studied measles, and tiphery, tetanus, and pertussis, and polio, we then found it. We found these common ingredients of fear at the population level, hubris and arrogance, a tremendous amount of money involved, and there's always been a lot of money in vaccines, and then power.
56:19 Speaker 00 Most of these vaccine leaders were at the right hand of the king or queen or the president, including Edward Jenner in the UK, Louis Pasteur in France, Anthony Fauci in the United States. I mean, you can see this now, that there's a history here, and this history, it does create a sense of a non-scientific religious belief in vaccines as a talisman, that is almost like a good luck charm. It has religious significance. You know, on the cover, the cover is a coin, a papal coin, and that was issued during the pandemic by the Pope. And it's a boy about ready to receive the Eucharist, the body and blood of Christ,
57:04 Speaker 00 but instead, he's receiving the COVID vaccine. That the COVID vaccine has, in a sense, replaced Jesus Christ. It's symbolically in this coin. We also, in our book, we highlight a church we found in the South Island of New Zealand. It had a huge banner over the front. It said, "Not even the body and blood of Jesus Christ can save you. Get vaccinated."
57:32 Speaker 01 Wow, so powerful. And many of the stories we were often told about the vaccines of the past ended up not always being true, right? A lot of them were just these, oh, this worked really well. When you dig into the data, you find out that a lot of that just wasn't true, correct?
57:49 Speaker 00 That's correct. In fact, remember when the smallpox, the original, was called variolation, the first version of trying to do this, and then vaccination, they didn't even know what caused smallpox. They didn't know if it was dirt, or filth, or a virus, or a bacteria. Think about it. So if you don't know what How do you get out of a rat race? How do you create wealth not only for yourself, but also for the generations to come after? I am absolutely amazed with the quality of companies that we're getting exposure to. We go on to Zoom calls with the innovators and the folks who are building new applications
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58:56 Speaker 00 And as a retail investor, I would never get this exposure anywhere else outside of investment club. See you in the investment club. causes it, it would be impossible to judge what's stopping it. Louis Pasteur, he just boldly proclaimed things. He had a failed animal anthrax vaccine, a failed chicken cholera vaccine, and Pasteur was a master of concealment. So he never provided his data, he never, he kept everything secret. And finally, his family, in the 1960s, released Pasteur's memoirs. And that's when this all came out. So wait a minute, he largely was fraudulently representing things.
59:39 Speaker 00 And, you know, they built an entire institute, the Pasteur Institute. And you can see this happening in the modern day. Until Trump came into office, they were going to build a shrine to Fauci. And finally, they just had to shut it down. The same thing was happening.
59:54 Speaker 01 I remember seeing these like cartoons and like these after school things when I was a kid that would kind of fantasize and fictionalize Pasteur and they would show the vaccines going in. And as you're a kid, you're just there and at this and it, you know, you just assume you're being told the truth, you know, and that definitely hung over in my head back in 2020 for sure.
1:00:17 Speaker 01 Um, I'm so glad you read, wrote this book. How can we get a copy? And then what is next for you in the next couple of years with the wellness company, McCullough Foundation, everything?
1:00:26 Speaker 00 Well, you can get a copy of the book on Amazon. It's leading in categories of vaccinology, immunology and medical history. It's also available at Barnes and Noble and Skyhorse Publishing. Many thanks to Skyhorse as the, the trade publisher. And my co-author, John Leek, probably one of the greatest historians right now of modern time. Um, and then what's next for me is McCullough Foundation is our not-for-profit organization that has us out in the media. I have an epidemiologist, Nicole Scherer, fellow Simon Troop and, and others, John Leek as our, our historical writer. And then the wellness company for sure, that is the Maha company. That's Make America Healthy Again. That's a for-profit company led by our founder, Foster Coulson, CEO Peter Galouli, myself as the chief scientific officer.
1:01:10 Speaker 00 So what I've done, Brian, like you, is during the pandemic, I've done everything I can. And I've been working to provide solutions. So when I was challenged recently in the United States Senate, I said, listen, I haven't taken a single government dollar, but I've dedicated my scholarship, my efforts, my professional efforts to helping the world get through the pandemic.
1:01:34 Speaker 01 Yeah, I know you have. I'm so glad that you found this foundation and the wellness company. And I just see this Make America Healthy narrative. It seems like it's going very strong and it just seems like maybe for the first time, Americans aren't afraid, aren't afraid to say that and take their health back and question so many things. So I see the momentum there, but we've got a long way to go. And I just appreciate you making us aware of what's actually going on with countries around the world still buying these boosters for. And then doing nothing with them. And also, nobody has actually come out with a proper assessment of what happened. And again, this has to happen. This has to happen, or we can never move forward. And I am very concerned in the next few years, or worst case, five to 10, there's going to be something out.
1:02:19 Speaker 01 And we didn't even talk about artificial intelligence being involved in the kind of things that might concoct. So we're going to have to stay vigilant. Doctor, just want to thank you for the work you've done. You're one of the few people that was out there blazing the trail back when very few people would stick their head up. And again, I just wish more people were aware of your protocol because it just could have probably saved a lot of lives and caused a lot less suffering. So yeah, keep, keep spreading the truth.
1:02:43 Speaker 00 Thank you.
1:02:44 Speaker 01 All right. Thank you so much, Doctor. Thanks, everybody. We'll see you next time on London Real. Bye.
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