Master Mantak Chia - Stop Wasting Your Sexual Energy — Master Mantak Chia Speaks the Truth Nobody Wants To Hear

Master Mantak Chia talks to Brian Rose about Taoist sexual energy practices, the Microcosmic Orbit, dark-room retreats, talking to children and the future of AI. 💰 Source hot AI deals in our Investment Club https://lr.academy/ai-investment-club/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_content=39250820&utm_campaign=ic 🏦 Invest in luxury Dubai property https://lr.academy/property-investment-g/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=shownotes&utm_content=39250820&utm_campaign=pc 🍿 Watch the full interview with chapters and transcripts for free https://londonreal.tv/stop-wasting-your-sexual-energy-master-mantak-chia-speaks-the-truth-nobody-wants-to-hear/ Chapters 3:14 Intro: Master Mantak Chia 4:39 Tao Garden and the dark-room retreats 7:07 Talking to children about sexual energy 11:35 Brian's first conversation with Master Chia 15:26 The importance of self-massage 18:17 Sexual energy and creativity 19:59 Longevity and Taoist practice 24:13 Sexual energy as life force 34:03 Harnessing energy for health 42:06 Why the practice appeals in the West 45:13 Taoist ideas on women 56:37 Mistakes in relationships 1:00:09 Pornography and sexual energy 1:03:27 Bringing children to the Tao Garden 1:09:13 How the dark room works 1:18:27 Sexual energy, AI and robots 1:21:52 Trauma and healing 1:25:01 Teaching worldwide at 82 1:31:19 Chia's early training in Thailand 1:41:32 Moving to America and writing his books

• 0:00Speaker 00

  Mantak Chia is a Daoist master, author, and global teacher, best known for his work on sexual energy cultivation, internal alchemy, and the multi-orgasmic male.

• 0:10Speaker 01

  You know, Master Chia, I was just thinking today about our first conversation on London Real. I think it was 11 years ago. You were telling me that I need to sharpen my sword.

• 0:22Speaker 02

  Now you get the penis out. Hand go like this, you rub, rub, rub, rub. You have to be sharpening it. When your tendons get longer one inch, your life extends 10 years.

• 0:37Speaker 02

  Let's talk about the multiple male orgasm. You don't have to ejaculation every time you make love. And that is the key. Orgasm and ejaculation is two different things. When you bring this arousal orgasm upwardly, it will increasing the brain power because sexual energy and the brain is the same energy. It can repair and fixing the organs. And that's why the healing part take place. The sexual energy is the essence of life. It can be transformed back into life force. That is the key.

• 1:11Speaker 01

  Master Chia, I want to talk about the Daoist path to female pleasure.

• 1:15Speaker 02

  Women are sexually superior than men. Women can have many, many times arousal, orgasm, and ejaculation. The first ejaculation, make love. Second, mysterious gate, ejaculation, and make love. Third gate is uterus orgasm. So women are slow, like water, take time to boil. But men like fire, boom.

• 1:40Speaker 01

  Your dark retreats are very popular. Why is that important for people?

• 1:45Speaker 02

  When you're in the dark, you don't see anything and you cannot talk. You have to be sitting there and look into yourself first. So the people in the dark room, they started to learn about their inner voice. The body talk to us and we don't listen to it. So oftentimes, a lot of people after the dark room, they started to understand the body and they started to learn how to listen. You turn inwardly and you understand yourself and what problem you have.

• 2:29Speaker 03

  The world is changing.

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  Transforming ourselves so we can transform the world.

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  How far can we go?

• 3:14Speaker 01

  This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is...

• 3:24Speaker 01

  This is London Real. I am Brian Rose. My guest today is Mantak Chia, the Taoist master, author, and global teacher, best known for his work on sexual energy cultivation, internal alchemy, and the multi-orgasmic male. For more than four decades, you've taught millions of students how to transform their sexual energy into vitality, strength, and longevity, showing men that orgasm and ejaculation are not the same thing, and that mastering their distinction can radically change their physical, emotional, and spiritual lives. Your system blends ancient Taoist practice with modern understanding of the body, focusing on cultivating life force energy through breath work,

• 4:06Speaker 01

  internal circulation, and the microcosmic orbit. Over 10 years ago, you made your YouTube debut here with us, and then went on to log over 10 million views on London Real. Today, your work is more popular than ever as men around the world search for real tools to improve their health, performance, and relationships. Master Chia, welcome back to London Real. It's truly an honor, sir.

• 4:33Speaker 02

  Thank you so much, Brian. Very happy to see you.

• 4:39Speaker 01

  I'm so happy to see you. You are now at the Tao Garden in Chiang Mai, which is in north of Thailand, where you have all of your retreats. You do your Dark House DMT work. You do all of your stuff up there, is that right?

• 4:53Speaker 02

  Yes. Because here we have many, we have different kind of meeting room. And when we have dark room, we close the whole building. So it's totally dark. And people can be staying there for one week. They have to be there for one week. They cannot be one day and get out. So when they go in, you are commit yourself. If you really think you cannot stay here for one week, you better walk out, okay? But I also say, if you really cannot take it, you can walk out. But we never, I running this one more than 30 years, then nobody walk out.

• 5:33Speaker 01

  Wow. And that darkness starts generating national DMT. And you do it for a week and you said, nobody walks out. Nobody's left so far.

• 5:44Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 5:45Speaker 01

  That looks really challenging, super challenging. I think I've seen some video or something from some of your retreats there. And man, that sounds challenging because there you are in the dark. Obviously, you can't read. You can't watch videos. You're just there, right, with your thoughts? So it's like an isolation. You're with a group though, right? But also you can't see anything.

• 6:11Speaker 02

  Yes, right. So the whole key, the first thing is we say, hey, number one, you have to give up your telephone. Okay, that's the first step.

• 6:20Speaker 01

  You have to give up your what?

• 6:21Speaker 02

  But pick up the mobile telephone.

• 6:24Speaker 01

  Oh, right, give up the telephone.

• 6:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. Because they have to put it outside and say, okay, we put it outside in a box. If you really need to do it, you can walk out in the dark room and go out into a box to choose a telephone. But we don't have anybody do that.

• 6:42Speaker 01

  You know, this therapy, this dark therapy has become popular in the last, you know, five or 10 years. But you were doing this way back in the day before it became popular in the West, right? Even your master, I think, taught you how to do this even decades ago.

• 6:59Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 7:01Speaker 01

  Wow, that's incredible. I haven't done that yet, but that's something maybe we'll do. I think we're making plans right now for me to visit Master Chia in Chiang Mai with my two sons. And maybe we'll do that probably in the next six months. So that'll be super exciting. I always want them to meet you. Because even though they're maybe too young, maybe, to learn about sexual energy, I want them to be thinking about this. So when they get into their teenage years, you know, they don't do make all the mistakes that that boys in the West make when it comes to their sexuality. Let me start with that, Master Chia. They're eight and nine years old. Is it too early for my boys to start learning about sexual energy?

• 7:47Speaker 02

  Not at all, because nowadays, men, a boy, are mature much faster. So that's why sometime 10 or 11 years old, they already have sperm. They're reproducing sperm already. So that when they're producing sperm, they have sexual, sexual aroused and all these things. So if they don't learn it, usually a lot of younger people, they ruin their brain because they're masturbating. Sometimes they feel so good and they do it all the time or every day. So in a Tao said, when they do the excess ejaculation, they empty the brain.

• 8:28Speaker 01

  Okay, all right. So sooner than later would be smart?

• 8:34Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 8:34Speaker 01

  Okay. If I bring my boys to come see you, will you have a talk with them, Master Chia?

• 8:39Speaker 02

  Oh, yes.

• 8:40Speaker 01

  And we could do it together, because I want to be a part of it as well. You know, I think this is so important because, Master Chia, I still remember when I grew up in San Diego, California. You know, nobody taught me about my sexual energy. You know, I was the kid with the Playboy magazine in the bathroom, trying to figure things out. Nobody taught it to me, and it was confusing. We had sex education at school, but sex education didn't teach us about Taoist energy. All it did was show us the biology, but it didn't really teach us to have a relationship with our sexual energy.

• 9:20Speaker 02

  Yes, yeah, the younger we can, so this one we said, "Father have to talk to the son, mother have to talk to the girl." Because it's just like father talk to the son, man to man, okay? And you give them some mis- a knowledge which they should, they will be not commit the same mistake.

• 9:49Speaker 01

  Yes, I thought about that. Ever since I started learning about you and your practices, the first thing I thought was, "I want to talk to my sons and get them to embrace your teachings early, because I think it's so very important." Also, these days, Master Chia, these young kids have access to porn, right?

• 10:09Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 10:09Speaker 01

  Now, I sat my boys down a couple of months ago and I started asking them questions. "Have you seen the porn? Are friends of yours talking about this? What's going on?" And it seems like they really haven't been too exposed to it. A couple of friends are talking about things. But can you tell me how access to that porn is changing young people's sexuality?

• 10:34Speaker 02

  Because, you know, you cannot stop that. Because underground, this pornography is everywhere, okay? And the people you have, when they have a mobile telephone, they can always easily to access it. So the only thing is parent have to give them a guidance. Yeah, so that's why in the book we said, "Father will talk to the son."

• 11:00Speaker 01

  Yes, it's my job. And the other problem is, is that they can accidentally find images in porn or their friend shows it to them. So even when they're not looking for it, all of a sudden, they see something that can be pretty shocking.

• 11:16Speaker 02

  Yes. So that's why education them first. And they will started to have a preparation for that.

• 11:25Speaker 01

  Okay, good. All right, I'm gonna do that. And I want to ask you later, a little bit maybe about how porn is affecting the whole world and people in the West. You know, Master Chia, I was just thinking today about our first, our first conversation on London Real. I think it was 11 years ago. And I remember the night before you came to my studio in London, I said to my team, I said, "Who is this guy? Are we gonna talk about sex on London Real? I'm from America where we don't talk about sex. And I'm getting really uncomfortable about having you." And then you come on the show. And I remember it, Master Chia, you were telling me that I need to sharpen my sword.

• 12:10Speaker 01

  You were showing me how to massage my organs. And you can watch my face, and I'm like this. I'm just shocked, I'm frozen. And I didn't know how to process all this information. Because in the West, especially in America, you know, we come from Puritans, where we don't talk about sex and we try to ignore sex. And it's not a very healthy way. And so my first reaction to you was surprise. But then you became, I think, our most popular guest ever on London Real. Your content has been watched more times. We have one clip of you talking about male sexual energy that's been watched 7.6 million times.

• 12:55Speaker 01

  Our biggest, most viewed piece of content in our history. And I started learning about you. I had more conversations with you. I read your book, The Multiorgasmic Male. And I started to realize that you speak so much truth. I learned about your DMT, everything, and I was...

• 13:12Speaker 04

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• 13:59Speaker 01

  My mind was blown away. And so, my question for you is, do you get this response from many people in the West, where they're uncomfortable to talk about sexual energy?

• 14:12Speaker 02

  Yes. When I, when I teaching in the Switzerland, the, the people there are very conservative. And, um, and when I started over there, okay, everybody stand up, okay? And reach down, massage your testicle. And, uh, and they just, but they, everybody stand up and do it, you know? But the organizer said, massage here. They, their sex here, they are very conservative. They don't talk about it. I said, nothing wrong, but everybody doing that, you know? So everybody get up and massage the testicle, and women massage their breast, and they do it, you know? So they say, woman, you know, woman, when they take a shower,

• 14:56Speaker 02

  they, they take the clothes, or they put the clothes on, and they don't dare to see their own body. So that's, how can you take a shower with that, you know? Yeah, so, uh, and, uh, but in the class, when everybody doing, everybody follow, you know? And, uh, and they think that, they, they, after they learn it, they feel the, hey, I, I have to take care of my body, and my sexual organ is very important for my body, you know?

• 15:26Speaker 01

  Master Shi, how important is it to use your hands to massage your body? You know, it seems like it's such a huge part of your practice to constantly and daily. Because we're animals with these opposing thumbs, right? So we have this ability to massage our organs, whereas a horse and a cow and most animals can't do that. How important is it? And is it important to do daily?

• 15:54Speaker 02

  Yes, so in the Dao practice, you know, like women, they have milk. Every month, when, before the egg mature, their body producing milk. They say they're gonna have baby. So they're producing milk.

• 16:08Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 16:08Speaker 02

  And this milk usually causing trouble because they don't know what to do with it. So oftentimes, the milk stuck in the breast and causing the breast problem. So in Dao, the first thing, hey, woman, you are producing milk. That is the first food for the baby. So everybody have to learn how to massage the breast, transforming the milk back into life force. If you don't do it, it's stuck in the breast. And it don't go nowhere. It don't go anywhere. And now eventually, women have breast problem. Because the, and the blood, the milk, it's like, it make from blood.

• 16:51Speaker 02

  And that is producing, and it don't go anywhere, so it's stuck there and causing trouble.

• 16:59Speaker 01

  And that's for the women. What about the men? What is it important for men to do every day?

• 17:04Speaker 02

  In Dao, the testicle is so important. Because testicle producing sperm and male sexual hormone. And in Dao said, if you massage your testicle every day, you are strengthening, and they discover that testicle are so much involved with the brain. So when people... Have problem and they take the testicle out. The brain started to get problem. So the prostate gland and testicle, they're connecting together. So that's why you know Tao said massage your testicle every day. And you're getting this uh the and the sexual energy. It changed into brain energy.

• 17:45Speaker 02

  And the West just recently also research, they say sexual energy and the brain energy are the same energy. So I said, so what did we search for? So in the Tao, they say, hey, the sexual energy is the same like the brain. So if you have a practice to return the sexual energy up to re-what to write the brain. And that is a very important part. So you have more brain because the sexual energy is the same. So they can strengthening the brain.

• 18:17Speaker 01

  I remember Master Chia, you once told me that when you want to write another book. Then you channel your sexual energy. Because that's where a lot of your creativity comes from. That's how you're able to produce all these things. And a lot of people heard that and they were, they were confused. Because they think that sexual energy is for sex. And you know, everything else is for the other part of the world. But for you, they're linked. In fact, sexual energy is, is important in order to live a fulfilling life.

• 18:51Speaker 02

  Yes, because sexual energy is a creating power, creating a human. Okay, so that's why in a Tao said, we, when we come to this world. We model this world. So when we grow up, one, the Tao said, one third of our life force equal to sexual energy. Because in the, because sexual energy is all the energy. So in a Tao said sexual energy and the brain energy are the same. So if you, so we have a practice that return the sexual energy up to re-what to write the brain. Because the sexual energy and the brain are same energy. The West talk about that, but they don't have a practice.

• 19:36Speaker 02

  So that's why, so they have a procedure how to practice it, how to massage the testicle and how to draw the energy up. Because sexual energy the same as the brain. So if you can bring the sexual energy up, in Tao said they have a channel from sexual energy up to coccyx sacrum, up the spinal cord, up to the brain.

• 19:59Speaker 01

  Yes, I want to talk about that pathway. The other thing you said to me on our first episode was you said, Brian, you have to sharpen the sword. And I'll never forget that because I felt so uncomfortable. What is sharpening the sword and why is it important?

• 20:16Speaker 02

  Because the penis, okay, man, the penis is the, we call, is the, we say that when you make love, okay, it's a, it's a power of penetration. And that power, you have to be sharpening it. So that's why in the, in the man, they have to learn how to massage, stretch your penis. Because in Tao said, the, the tendons, so the, all the body tendon are gathering here. And the penis is tendon, okay, and it's a tendon. And they can expand and can longer.

• 20:59Speaker 02

  So, so the whole thing in Tao said, you have to be, uh, stretch the tendon because this tendon is connecting to all the tendon in the body. Because that is a major tendon. So when you stretch the tendon, now this tendon gets stronger and longer. So they said in Tao said, when your tendon get longer one inch, your life extend 10 years. That is, that's a lot of years extended. So that's why the Tao said, hey, the exercise and massage and stretch your penis. Because penis, the whole testicle and, and penis is a tendon, a ligament.

• 21:44Speaker 02

  And they are connecting to all the whole body tendon. We have so many tendon everywhere, tendon and ligament. So when this one is shortened, it pull out all the other part getting shortened.

• 21:59Speaker 01

  And when you sharpen the sword, is it 50 times one side and 50 times the other side? Or how do you do that?

• 22:07Speaker 02

  It's good. You can use 50 times is good. You know, usually we say do is 9, 18, or 36, you know? So they have to count. So they have a certain number to count, so they stress 1, 2. And they can see that this tendon pull, and because this tendon connecting to here. So when they have back pain, everything is this tendon too short and causing the back pain. Because the tendon connecting to on the back here. So that's why when you stretch the tendon, all the other tendons started to get longer.

• 22:49Speaker 01

  Wow. And every inch you add is 10 years of your life.

• 22:53Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 22:56Speaker 01

  It's funny, Master Chia, because these days longevity is the hot new trend, right? Everyone's talking about it. I've had guests on London Real for 10 years talking about longevity, guys like David Sinclair and a few others. But you and Tao has been talking about longevity for thousands of years, correct?

• 23:19Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 23:21Speaker 01

  And your practices all add many, many years to your life.

• 23:26Speaker 02

  Yes, because like the sexual energy, if people cultivate the sexual energy, the life force creating sexual energy. But the sexual energy one is produced, they're on the way of no return. They have to get out to creating another baby. And that is the mission of the sexual energy do. But when you win, we... But the life force give energy to the sexual energy. So in a Tao said, there must be a way to transform the sexual energy back to life force again. Okay? And this energy become your energy now.

• 24:07Speaker 02

  So that's why in the Tao said transforming your sexual energy back into your life force.

• 24:13Speaker 01

  Right, okay, now I want to talk about that. And we're gonna first talk maybe about male and then next I want to talk about female because I don't want to forget the ladies that are watching. But let's talk about the multiple male orgasm. Because I think it's important. Because not only is it a way of having multiple orgasms, it's also a way of conserving your life force energy and to bring that sexual energy internally into your body and into your brain. Is that correct, Master Chia?

• 24:46Speaker 02

  Yes, so the, you know, in the, in this world, we have like, man de hoot, nun de hoot. So, the whole purpose is there no sex.

• 25:01Speaker 01

  What is that again? We have what?

• 25:03Speaker 02

  The monk, the monk and the nun.

• 25:05Speaker 01

  And the nun, yes, okay, monk and nun, no sex.

• 25:08Speaker 02

  They have no sex, okay? And it doesn't mean they live long, okay? And there are many study about that. So, and they have study about the sperm that they, when they learn how to transforming or they control the sexual energy, the worm live longer. Usually they live 11 day. But when they do the, when they cut off the one they producing sperm and have them live on, they live longer. Yeah, and that is what the Tao talking about that. Because sexual energy you can be transformed back.

• 25:50Speaker 02

  Because it's the life force that can be transformed back into life force again.

• 25:58Speaker 01

  Wow. Talk to me about the multiple male orgasm. Most men think that this is some myth. They think it's some story made up by strange people and then it's not actually true. Because most men know orgasm to be ejaculation and in their brain you cannot separate those two. How do you first try to explain this to people, Master Chia?

• 26:22Speaker 02

  So the arousal, orgasm and ejaculation. So arousal, arousal and orgasm.

• 26:33Speaker 02

  Talk about orgasm and ejaculation is two different thing.

• 26:39Speaker 02

  We can have, so in the Tao said, when you understand that we can have, we call wali orgasm. Okay, you go up and you're coming down, not all, but you, and you go up again. So you are, because the sexual energy, when you producing, uh, it on the way of no return. But when you change the sexual energy to life force, now it become our life force. Because uh, in the Tao said, the essence, the sexual energy is the essence of life. And the, this essence of life, it's creating another human. So that's why it's the best energy.

• 27:23Speaker 02

  But uh, the body producing it. And they, when they, when they, they go to the way of no return. So when the body producing the sperm, they have to get out. So in a down way, they're coming back, they say, how can I return this sexual energy? I transform this sexual energy back to life force. So it's a whole procedure of, because it's the best energy you have. Okay, and you're not gonna have so many baby. Okay, and that's why when you have, when a lot of time people have one or two children, they, they still make love. And they still have ejaculation.

• 28:06Speaker 02

  But in a Tao said, when you learn how to conserve sexual energy. So they have a timetable that you don't have to ejaculation every time you make love. And that is the key. And they're talking about a multi orgasm, we call seven and eight. It's the, it's, it's just like when you feel arousal or gas, arousal is the gland system. Okay, the nipple and all the gland system activate. And orgasm is the organ energy coming up. So gland system keep the best energy. And the organ keep the best energy is orgasm.

• 28:47Speaker 02

  So gland system, organ system combined together have the best of the best energy. Because they think you're gonna have baby. So having a baby is very, uh, hu- human, human is very intelligent. And that's why the energy that how much the parent passing down to the next generation is depending in the sexual energy part.

• 29:14Speaker 02

  So that's why in a making love, we call the rule of the heaven. Because we have to multiply, we have to have children and multiply the world. And that is what we do, we are successful doing that, you know. So totally the world is so many children now, many people now.

• 29:34Speaker 01

  This is why Master Chia, it's so important that I teach this to my sons.

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• 30:37Speaker 01

  Because I learned to have my first orgasm and ejaculation when I was locked in the bathroom with a dirty magazine, trying to do it as fast as possible so I wouldn't get caught by my parents, right? And that's how I learned to do something that I would then do for another 20 years. And that's a terrible way to learn about your sexual energy and your orgasm and your ejaculation. Because I'm not thinking about it, I'm not prolonging about it, I'm not controlling my sexual energy. I'm just trying to do it as fast as possible. And this is not the right way to learn this. Is that correct?

• 31:18Speaker 02

  Yes, we call it quicky sex. Very quick, very quick, and that's it. But making love is, in the Tao say, is the heaven and earth come together. Men and women come together. And that is the... So when you're making love, so you... All this sexual energy that making love is a very, very powerful healing power. So that why in the Tao, they have, we call the eight benefit. What the sexual energy when you make love and when you come to one level, when you feel highly aroused or orgasm,

• 32:02Speaker 02

  you rest and you bring this... The seven and eight power is the best energy of the best that you have. And you bring this aroused orgasm upwardly, okay? And it will, number one, it will increasing the brain power because sexual energy and the brain is the same energy. And this sexual energy, when you return it back, it can repair and fixing the organs. And that's why the healing power take place.

• 32:36Speaker 01

  You keep saying seven and eight, what do you mean by that, Master Chia?

• 32:39Speaker 02

  Seven and eight, that mean arousal orgasm, the energy is just right. But when you go up to nine, you're too close to ejaculation, and that is ejaculation.

• 32:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 32:53Speaker 02

  So that's why, seven and eight, they have to know, okay? I feel so, so in a down set, seven and eight is the best energy already, okay? And after that, you pass to the nine, that's too close to ejaculation, and it will ejaculation. So the energy, when we can harvest this energy, is the seven and eight. That means you feel arousal, you orgasm, but you in control. And that is the best energy. Because you feel so highly arousal orgasm, but you in control. But you go to nine, no control, and that is ejaculation.

• 33:31Speaker 01

  Right, okay.

• 33:32Speaker 02

  And you lose the energy.

• 33:33Speaker 01

  Right, so if you're not sexual and not aroused and anything, you're probably walking around at a one. If you're having an ejaculation, you're at a 10. And Master Chia is saying, you want to be in this seven or eight area here, where it's very, it's close but in control. And then what you want to do is harness that energy, and get that energy throughout your body and up to your brain. And if you're a man-

• 33:57Speaker 02

  Because that is, that is, the energy creating us.

• 34:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 34:01Speaker 02

  So you can fixing and repairing us.

• 34:03Speaker 01

  Right, and so if you're a man, and you want to tap into this incredible source of energy and creativity and longevity and everything, you want to find a way to harness this sexual energy. And tell me, Master Chia, is the best way for a man to do that, to learn how to be the multi-orgasmic male? Because going on that journey will teach you how to control that, is that right?

• 34:30Speaker 02

  Yes, because multi-orgasm, you have, if you, so there are few way to do it. You have, in a down set, when you have the orgasm, you harvest the orgasm upward, that's one time. And you make love again, and you have arousal orgasm, and you multiply this, and the sexual energy is multiplied, okay? And you harvest them again. So that's why you can, so in the olden time, they call healing love, because the, this making love-

• 35:05Speaker 02

  And you bring this arousal orgasm orgasm energy to any organ that you need to heal. And that you will fixing and repairing itself. So you call healing love and it benefits.

• 35:21Speaker 01

  Okay, all right. And look, I don't want to get into all the details of the practice. If you want this, you need to go visit Master Chia in the Tao garden or one of his workshops. But as I remember, one of the most important unlocks to the multi-orgasmic male was learning to control your PC muscle, Master Chia. And this is the muscle that men use to stop urinating, right? It's that muscle you use if you need to stop urinating. And I remember when I read one of your books, you said, most men have very weak PC muscles. But if you practice, practice tensing that muscle, you can build it strong. And then what you do is you use

• 36:00Speaker 01

  that muscle during sex, and that allows you to start holding, I guess, the ejaculation and building the sexual energy. Is that right?

• 36:11Speaker 02

  Yes, because the PC muscle is on the base here, and it control the penis and the prostate gland and the testicle. So that's why the in the Tao, they always learn how to contract anus and the PC muscle. So anus and PC muscle is right on the base. If you're strengthening this one, you have control of your sexual sexual organs and sexual energy.

• 36:46Speaker 01

  Powerful. It's very powerful. And someone can learn that. How long does it take you to teach someone how to do that if they've never tried it before?

• 36:56Speaker 02

  We have, let me, teaching all the healing love is in the two days. And we're gonna have a longer practice that gonna be the basic and healing one week. That's what we have next year that we have that. Yeah. So we have the more longer part of the healing love practice. And the

• 37:26Speaker 02

  The whole key is that sexual energy can be transformed back into life force. That is the key.

• 37:32Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 37:33Speaker 02

  And it make you healthier, stronger, and don't get sick, don't get sick easily.

• 37:38Speaker 01

  You don't get sick. Okay, gotcha. And while you're, you're having these orgasms, you pull this energy kind of back to your back and up your spine and then into your head. And I think you even teach to swirl it around your head and start to bring it into your brain and heal all of your organs. That's, that's the kind of practice that you teach?

• 37:59Speaker 02

  Yes. Because the sexual energy is the best because they're creating us. So it can fixing and repairing us, the same energy.

• 38:12Speaker 01

  How many orgasms do you think is, is either, is, is something that someone should aim for as a man? And how long is that sexual experience for? Is, if people are used to having sex for three minutes and one orgasm ejaculation, are you trying to get people to think about 30 minutes or 60 minutes and like 10 orgasms? Or what, what do you think is, is, is optimal? Or what do you think is something to, to shoot for?

• 38:44Speaker 02

  The, the thing is that when the people understand it, they can have multi-orgasm. And depending on, and also depending the partner also, okay? Because when you have too long and the partner sometime have to be co-working together as a team because you're making love. Yeah. So the, um, uh, when the multi-orgasm, the man have orgasm and woman also have orgasm. So woman have orgasm is easier. So woman can have multi-orgasm very easy.

• 39:26Speaker 02

  But man, you can have many orgasm and when you ejaculation, it finish. That mean the penis, the body build up a mechanical, that mean the hormone to make the penis soften down because there no sperm. So the body need time to recover. To build sperm again, so they take time to do that.

• 39:49Speaker 01

  And for for men, so I'm fifty four years old, you're, you know, you you look sixty, but I think you're maybe eighty something. How many times should we be ejaculating every month? And the older you get, you should do it less in order to conserve energy. Is that right?

• 40:07Speaker 02

  Right, in the in the Dow set, we need ejaculation. Okay, but we have to control according to the age. So the the age like younger person, they can have ejaculation more. And when you get older, your ejaculation, you have make love. And you they have a number in there, so you make love how many days. How do you get out of a rat race? How do you create wealth, not only for yourself, but also for the generations to come after?

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  Ejaculation one, according to the age. But you can have many, many times of sex, but not ejaculation. And the time when you come, say, okay, tonight I can ejaculation. Now you can, you feel that at least you conserve enough energy because sexual energy is our life force. So when you conserve this energy, the first thing is increase the brain power and increasing the healing power inside a body.

• 42:06Speaker 01

  I'm telling you, if you're a man and you're listening to this, you need to pursue this, right? You have to. And I'm sure, the first time I heard about this, first of all, I was uncomfortable and didn't want to talk about it. Then, I was skeptical. Then, I was dubious. And then, the more I got to know Master Chia, the more I realized, this man is the truth. Master Chia, I'm telling you, you're probably one of our most powerful guests we've ever had on this show. And you're top five for me for changing my life. And I think, as a man, you need to master and be able to tap into your sexual energy. If you want to do great things in your life, if you want to be a great leader, a great father, or a great creator,

• 42:50Speaker 01

  if you want to make money, if you want to write books. If you're not connecting with your sexual energy, I'd say it's probably the most important thing you could do. More important than a college degree, more important than a job, more important than a mentor, I think is probably connecting with your sexual energy. Would you agree with that?

• 43:09Speaker 02

  Yes, because sexual energy, we call a creating power. It's a creating a baby, or you not, you take this sexual energy, return them back, it gives you a lot of brain power. And when I write book, that is the key, you know? And you make love, and wake up early, and you write book. And you have a lot of creating power.

• 43:39Speaker 01

  I love it. And also, in the West, I would say, and that's Western Europe, America, etc., most people have a terrible relationship with their sexual energy. Because it's something we're taught, maybe because of the underlying religion, that we should be ashamed of, that it's dirty, that we don't talk about it, that we hide it. And when we do that, oftentimes, those practices come out, sometimes in not healthy ways. And on top of that, you're not using that energy, you're not acknowledging it, and you're not using it to be creative. And I think, maybe that's why you're so popular in the West, Master Chia, because we really need you.

• 44:22Speaker 01

  Because our society is built in a way that kind of shames that sexuality. Do you still find that's true today?

• 44:30Speaker 02

  Yes, the people, they, when they come to study, they, in the beginning, they think that they are a little bit uncomfortable. But when they study the classes, why, they think that, hmm, makes sense, okay? When it makes sense, then now they started to understand, and they started to know how to practicing it. So conserve sexual energy, or return the sexual energy up, to re-white, to re-white, to right the brain, and that is the major part of the, the major, that is the first practicing in the Tao, say, hey, return your sexual energy to strengthening your brain.

• 45:13Speaker 01

  So important. Master Chia, I want to talk about the Taoist path to female pleasure, because I think it's important. Number one, because we have women watching, but number two, I think most men don't understand female sexuality. And so I was wondering, how do you initially talk to women about this, the way you talk to men? I know you're a big fan of the Jade Eggs. I remember reading about your Three Gates of the Woman, but what do we need to understand about the women's sexual energy and her different biology?

• 45:53Speaker 02

  In the Tao said, the sexual, women, actually, women are sexual superior than men. Women can have many, many times arousal, orgasm, and ejaculation. Okay, so women can have many multi-orgasm, they still can continue on. And women have one very special organ, and that is the kitt, the kithoris, the kitt. Because the kithoris is very special built. It's, in the West, they discover that, hmm, this kithoris have so many million memory and sensor. So, why they have so much of that?

• 46:38Speaker 01

  It's not fair. It's not fair.

• 46:41Speaker 02

  That is more than the grand penis of the man.

• 46:44Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 46:45Speaker 02

  So that's why in Tao said the kriis is so important for woman. So the Tao said, the first thing, you have to be lady first. I mean, the lady first, because making love usually when men very quick, quick exact and very quick ejaculation, and the woman say, "What?" It's already finished, you know. And the woman, they sometimes they don't know what to say, and they don't know what's that. So that's why in Tao said, the men have to have make the woman ejaculation first. And that is talking about the kriis. Because kriis can have change color.

• 47:30Speaker 02

  That mean, in the woman part, they can change the color of the kriis. For example, if they want to have the healing power, you change the kriis to a green color. Okay? That mean, they might have to change green color. And get the green, green color, sometimes in the heart you have a green color, and you have this green color charting into the kriis. And now, they're giving, when make love, and they give this green color to help the partner that they make love have more healing power.

• 48:13Speaker 02

  So women have a lot of healing energy, they can do it. And so the, if the, so the green kriis, it give energy.

• 48:26Speaker 01

  Master Chia, do they actually change the color of it to green?

• 48:30Speaker 02

  No, that mean...

• 48:32Speaker 01

  It's the energy, the green energy?

• 48:33Speaker 02

  The energy.

• 48:34Speaker 01

  Okay, just checking, just checking.

• 48:36Speaker 02

  Right.

• 48:36Speaker 01

  Okay. And what are the other types of energy?

• 48:39Speaker 02

  Oh, they have a white, white kriis is because disinfection. So women have it, they can use them for disinfection, clean out, and especially when they make love, they need to clean out the inside also, the energy part, they need to clean out. So that's why, so they have the green, they have the white, and they have the red. The red color giving more energy that way, more healing power and all these things. So they can help, so they using the kri tauris to producing energy for helping the partner. Help in they can healing themselves also.

• 49:23Speaker 01

  Now, what are the jade eggs for?

• 49:27Speaker 02

  The jade egg, so the jade egg is for, we say, the, um, for woman to must, to exercise their must, the vagina, the muscle. So the, in the woman, uh, they don't train the vagina, the muscle getting loose when they get older or they have a baby. So when they have baby, the vagina are stressed so much, okay? So that's why, a lot of time, uh, when they marry and they haven't have children yet, the vagina is tight. And when they make love, they feel so good and everything, and love is other.

• 50:11Speaker 02

  But when they have baby, a baby head is that big, you know? Have to go through the vagina, it stress all the vagina open. So that's why in the Tao say, they have to learn how to strengthening the muscle. Otherwise, the woman too loose, and when the man make love, the penis inside there, they say, hey, is my penis in or my penis out? Because they don't feel there where they are, you know, it's too loose. So that's why the marriage started to change. So that's why in the Tao said, jade egg, train your muscle, train your, how to hold the weight, and how to squeeze the penis. So they have to learn how to squeeze the penis, and learn

• 50:56Speaker 02

  How to hold the penis in the vagina and that is the muscle part they have to learn.

• 51:01Speaker 01

  Okay, so they practice on the egg and then they can use bigger eggs or heavier eggs and squeeze and hold it and these kinds of things.

• 51:09Speaker 02

  Right, so they can strengthen their muscle.

• 51:12Speaker 01

  Okay, okay. What are the three types of female orgasm? I think you call them the three gates. If I remember correctly, and why is that important and how can men and women learn about these things?

• 51:25Speaker 02

  Because the first thing, men have to make the woman ejaculation first. So the first gate we call the Cataris ejaculation. And that is how the Cataris are built that way. And it's very easy, so the clit have so many sensor and memory, okay? So that's why they're very sensitive. And when men learn how to working with the Cataris. Now they're very easy make the woman arousal orgasm and ejaculation. Women can have many, many ejaculation, so we call Cataris ejaculation.

• 52:08Speaker 02

  And the second one we call the Mysterio gate ejaculation. So that is, we call the G-spot, okay? The name after a German discovered this point, you know? So when the finger go in and you come up, you hook up in one hole. And that hole actually is connecting up to the prosthesis gland on the urethra. So the ejaculation are not in the vagina, but is in the urethra part.

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  Called the female procegran. So now they call it skiing scan. So they have a name for that. They don't have the name for a long, long time. So they call it female procegran. And now, so that's why when the, so the second gate, when you go in and you hook up, you find that mysterious gate. And the, and the men have to learn how to use the finger to make sure to make the mysterious gate ejaculation. So we call it a second gate ejaculation. So the third gate is the uterus contraction. So in the, in the Tao, because the uterus contraction is so much involved with the brain.

• 54:25Speaker 02

  So women, when the, when they have the cathartic ejaculation and they update it, make love and coming up and the, and the men. So it's one gate by one gate, the men have to learn how. So when the cathartic ejaculation, make love. And after that, activate the mysterious gate and make love. So women are slow, like water, take time to boil. But men like fire, boom, and that immediately they want to go in. So that's why in the Tao said, don't go in first. Make sure not men ejaculation.

• 55:05Speaker 02

  It's lady first. So make sure make the lady ejaculation. So that's why, heathorice ejaculation, make love. Second, mysterious gate, ejaculation, and make love.

• 55:18Speaker 02

  And the third gate is uterus orgasm. So uterus orgasm, contracting, contracting. The penis only can reach on the side of the uterus. And that is, when the woman have first ejaculation, and the second ejaculation, and the third, and the uterus side, they're open. The pit when woman on the top, so now the woman want to be on the top because they're very itchy inside there. Not in here, but inside, the uterus part. Yeah, on the side. So when the penis, when the woman on the top, the penis go in on the side of it.

• 56:01Speaker 02

  And that woman, they're very itchy, so they have to move it, and until the ejaculation. So women know that point exactly. But we men know it, but they don't know that exactly the point. We call the uterus ejaculation.

• 56:18Speaker 01

  How many women actually know this about their own bodies?

• 56:23Speaker 02

  Uh, not that many, but now they're bored, and they're all kind of thing, they're more out now.

• 56:32Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 56:33Speaker 02

  So that's why the woman can learn from that. Yeah.

• 56:37Speaker 01

  Master Chia, what are the biggest mistakes that men make when it comes to making love, or understanding a woman, or understanding the right things to do for themselves, or for the women?

• 56:49Speaker 02

  So in the Tao said, the first thing is lady first. In the West, you know, lady first. You know, so in the Tao state, the men have to be, make the woman ejaculation first. And now, and when the woman ejaculation, now women make love with a woman, now they can control easier. When women haven't ejaculation, they sometime, they cannot control, and they feel feel very want the ejaculation. So that's why the men make sure the woman ejaculation first. So that's why in the Tao said, the first thing...

• 57:33Speaker 02

  Work on the catharsis ejaculation and you make love. And after that, work on the mysterious gate until woman ejaculation and you make love again. Because women capable of many, many arousal orgasm and ejaculation. But men can have multi orgasm, but one ejaculation, you finish there. So different.

• 57:56Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 57:56Speaker 02

  So in sex, women are more superior.

• 57:59Speaker 01

  Any other mistakes that men make that are very common?

• 58:05Speaker 02

  That mean make sure the woman ejaculation first. And that is the, is the, in the, in the common that men make is they, when they're hugging, kissing penis election, he entering right away. And you, woman, man already solely highly arousal, that is on the seven or eight. So when the penis going, it going to be nine, 10, many ejaculation. And the woman say what? The woman still don't, haven't even feel arousal orgasm up again. You know, it still haven't feeling anything yet. And the man already finish.

• 58:43Speaker 01

  And on the same note, what's the biggest mistake that a woman makes? When it comes to a sexual practice?

• 58:49Speaker 02

  The, the woman make is that number one. In the Taoist, don't talk any money about that. Okay? Don't talk about, oh, I want a diamond ring, I want a car. And the man say, oh, my god. Now, you think about that, where, there's a lot of money and all these things. So now the penis, uh, uh, uh, going down. And after that, you know, the man lost order. Because you always think about, there's money, there's a lot of money to make, you know? Okay? So that's why, don't talk about. So when make love and the man very satisfied when ejaculation.

• 59:32Speaker 02

  And a little bit exhausted, you going to go to rest. And now you can talk about it. And the man will, if you're recording now and you know, and the man say, okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay, okay, you ask for anything, he say, okay, you know?

• 59:46Speaker 01

  Okay, so ask after, not before?

• 59:49Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 59:49Speaker 01

  That's funny, okay. All right, that's, uh, that's super helpful. Did we leave out anything from the man's side or the women's side that's important?

• 59:59Speaker 02

  I think we talk about all the... But you ask a very good question and you cover all of it already.

• 1:00:08Speaker 01

  Master Chia, we were talking about porn earlier. And now porn is everywhere. You know, when I was a kid, the only way I would see it is if you found somebody had a magazine, they found out in the, you know, somewhere in the forest, and that's what we used to see. And then later, maybe somebody had a videotape, maybe, that they snuck out from their parents' bedroom, and maybe we watched it. And then later, there were videos online. And now, Master Chia, anybody with a mobile phone can access porn in seconds, and now even little kids can find it.

• 1:00:51Speaker 01

  How has that access to porn changed our sexual energy? And when you have your workshops, do you have people that come to you? And do you have to retrain their brains? Do you have to get them to think differently about sex? How has that affected us, do you think?

• 1:01:07Speaker 02

  I mean, people, they are... When they have a wrong way of understanding sex. So that's why pornography, this one, is easy to access. And when people look at it, they hook on it, you know. And so that is now... So in the teaching, we always say that is the father and mother job. They have to talk to the children, not being chained at all to the children. So in Tao said, "Father have to talk to the son, and mother have to talk to the daughter." And that, when they are...

• 1:01:52Speaker 02

  When they're beginning, become a hormone coming in. So women now can be... Some girl is nine years old or 10 years old, have menstruation really. It's very early.

• 1:02:05Speaker 01

  Why is that happening so early, Master Chia?

• 1:02:08Speaker 02

  I think that the food. So that's why the chicken, they have so many hormone in there.

• 1:02:12Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:02:13Speaker 02

  So they are... So many hormone is a grow hormone to make them in three in one or two months grow and you can sell.

• 1:02:21Speaker 01

  Okay, okay.

• 1:02:23Speaker 02

  So that is the too much hormone in the food that we have.

• 1:02:27Speaker 01

  And and how does that change the human? If they're having these sexual hormones and like you said, boys are producing semen at ten and girls are having menstruation at ten and eleven. How does that change the whole sexual energy process?

• 1:02:45Speaker 02

  So the the woman is that is the worst part. Their body are not ready to have baby. Because they're too young. The the breast not even developed. And the vagina also not that developed. So that why the children too young when they have baby, they have a very not strongly a strong baby. It's because the body not ready. Yeah, so that's why a lot of are teenagers that have baby usually is not we call mentality, everything not the baby not good. Yeah.

• 1:03:27Speaker 01

  Okay, now if I've come and bring my sons to see you at eight and nine years old and we come to the Tao Garden in Chiang Mai. How will we talk to those boys about? Sex and sexual energy and their bodies? How do you talk to young children about that?

• 1:03:48Speaker 02

  I mean, the that that mean it need father and mother there. Because that is the whole key is that at least they feel okay, my mommy, my daddy is here. And when they talk about this thing, the parent have to support it. Okay, because you tell them they you don't tell them sooner or later they find out in a wrong way. That's all. So that's why and I not think that you like them to find them in another way. And then because the society is so easy now access all this pornography and everything or or have sex there.

• 1:04:31Speaker 02

  So that let them know there nothing shame. So in the Tao say father have to talk to the son. And mother have to talk to the daughter when they are. When they start beginning, when they're beginning to have menstruation. Okay, that is the time that is have to be really careful about that. Talk to them, give them the education. At least they said, hmm, they have some idea that, oh, I feel arousal, I penis erection out in the morning, and that's why. Otherwise, they fire themselves. And when they fire themselves, they saw a fate for parent to know, and they hide them.

• 1:05:14Speaker 01

  I wish I had somebody who talked to me when I was young, Master Chi. I wish my father had sat me down and said, okay, this is how it works, and this is the deal, and this is what's gonna happen, and it's okay, and you shouldn't feel ashamed of it. In fact, if you embrace it, this could be a big part of your life. And your other friends aren't gonna do this, they're not gonna understand this. And this will actually make you probably stronger than everyone else, right? If you can master this part of your life, you're gonna save so much wasted time and wasted energy. And in fact, you might be able to channel this into, into great things, right?

• 1:05:56Speaker 02

  Because when the, when the parent guide, help them and guide them, channel the sexual energy into the intelligent energy. Because sexual energy is a creating power. So when they have more sexual energy, we turn back to the brain, they have more better brain.

• 1:06:15Speaker 01

  Okay, all right. Well, we're gonna sit down and talk to them when I come and see you. And is the first thing just to talk to them about, okay, you have these, these, these pieces in your body, and this is what they do, and one day they might make a baby, and in the meantime, maybe some things are gonna happen to you in the next year or two. You might find your penis does this, you might find ejaculation at night, and that's okay. And when that happens, we're gonna talk about it. And it's also okay to massage your organs. Is that kind of what we'll talk to them about? Maybe show them a diagram? Is that what we wanna do?

• 1:06:56Speaker 02

  Yes, it have to talk to them. Because that is the responsible of the father and mother.

• 1:07:05Speaker 02

  Because children, if you don't talk to them, they learn in a wrong way. Okay, and they become afraid of it. And they want to, they want, they get to their age, they will do it by themselves.

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• 1:08:06Speaker 02

  And they hide as much as they can. So that's why they are, and they don't learn from you, they learn from their friends.

• 1:08:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:19Speaker 02

  And so there are all these people, they have pornography, and they're sharing, and they're learning in a wrong way.

• 1:08:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:29Speaker 02

  So that's why parenting is important.

• 1:08:30Speaker 01

  And if you think your kids aren't talking about sex or watching porn at their age, they probably started two years ago, right? It happens super early right now.

• 1:08:41Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:08:42Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:08:42Speaker 02

  Nowadays, it's so available.

• 1:08:45Speaker 01

  Master Chia, you were taught so many things by your Taoist master. And obviously, we talked about male sexual energy. We talked about female sexual energy. I know also, your dark retreats are very popular in the Tao garden, where people, they go into darkness, I think for a week at a time, and produce natural DMT. Is that one of the more popular things that you're talking about these days? And why is that important for people?

• 1:09:13Speaker 02

  The whole thing about the dark room is the one that it trained people to be. When you're in the dark, you cannot, you don't see anything and you cannot talk. And no mobile telephone. So that's why you have to be sitting there and first thing, look into yourself first. Okay, so every, so the people in the dark room, they started to learn about their inner voice. So sometime, the body talk to us and we don't listen to it. And tell us, hey, don't do that. And we don't listen to it. But when in the dark room, they're so quiet and they started to, hey,

• 1:09:55Speaker 02

  my body talk to me, my organ talk to me. And now, when the, when the organ and the body talk to them, and they started to listen. Sometime, the parent talk to them a hundred time, a thousand time. But when the body tell them, tell them, not one time only, that's it, you know, and they, they change. So oftentimes, a lot of people, after the dark room, they started to, to understand the body, they started to understand themselves. And they started to learn how to listen into the, because we have negative positive there.

• 1:10:39Speaker 02

  Okay, one say, no, no, no, don't do it. One say, do it, do it, do it. So that's why in the way we say, devil, the devil and the Satan, the God and devil. Okay, so that's why, negative, positive, yeah. And that's how we, we make the decision. You listen to God or you listen to the devil, you know. But usually, we like to listen to the devil.

• 1:11:09Speaker 01

  And how long do people stay in the dark? And do you come in and talk to them during that period? And ask them questions or give them ideas, or do you leave them alone?

• 1:11:21Speaker 02

  No, yeah, I, I go in every day, a two, so they have a fixed practice. So they have different level, so when you go into the dark room, we have less the kind of lead. So the first thing, you have to understand yourself. So you're sitting there, you have nothing to do. Okay, you cannot get out, there are no light. And there, basically, no talking, and no mobile telephone. And you just be there. So when they are staying there, nothing to do, so I tell them that the first thing, let go. They're sitting there.

• 1:12:03Speaker 02

  You started to think about your past and future. Okay, they, they sometime, people go right into the past. So I said, let go the past, and also talk, ignore the present, ignore the future. Now you are the present, you're sitting here, you turn inwardly, and you understand yourself. And what problem you have. So a lot of time, they don't know their own problem until they're sitting quietly, not talking for a while. So in three day, they usually, we say in three day, you're in the darkness, and you're gonna see light.

• 1:12:48Speaker 02

  I mean, you have no light there, but inner light started to coming out. And they see light, oh, they turn, where would they turn, who turn on light, who turn on light? Because they see the light on the side, and they see the light. And they started to feel the aura of, of the room, of the two, of the door of the thing. And they also, a lot of time, after three day or four day, they miss conception. They think that the door here, but actually it's not. They see the aura, and they think that, so they, the, the tree, eh, they're the door.

• 1:13:28Speaker 02

  Okay, and they think that, so, and the bed also, when they go into the room, they think the bed here, but the bed is not there. Because they see, they feeling, the aura, so they think that is the one. So they see, they feel the aura. So now they started to feel the aura and the...

• 1:13:49Speaker 02

  And I tell them that sometime you see, you think that the door is there is not, you know. And sometime you go in there and I tell them that if you lose something in the, in your room, don't try to find it. By the time when you get out, we're gonna have a flashlight and, and looking for what you're missing, okay, yeah. So.

• 1:14:13Speaker 01

  And no one's left early so far?

• 1:14:16Speaker 02

  No, yeah, I tell them that the door are open, you can all we can out. And nobody get out.

• 1:14:22Speaker 01

  And they stay seven days? Five, five days.

• 1:14:27Speaker 02

  It's about, uh, six day, so one week is about six day and, and they, if they're gonna go back home, we let them stay, get out one day early.

• 1:14:41Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:14:42Speaker 02

  Because, because they, uh, they have to use to the light, so we get out in the evening.

• 1:14:48Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:14:49Speaker 02

  When the started to get dark.

• 1:14:51Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:14:51Speaker 02

  And we turn off all the light outside, so they, they have to use to the light.

• 1:14:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:14:58Speaker 02

  So, if they get out at seven o'clock and we ten o'clock, we turn on light for them. Because we cut off all the light, all the electricity. So when they finish and the, uh, we give them, when the, when the, when it's dark, we let them go out to walk on the garden. Okay, and we dim light all the light on the garden. So when they see the light, it started to use to it and they go into the room and we turn on the light. And after that, we have them having dinner, okay? So they finish the Piku diet, Piku diet is very simple, a diet.

• 1:15:43Speaker 02

  So that's why they don't have the full meal, okay, yeah.

• 1:15:48Speaker 01

  And how do people change after six days in the dark?

• 1:15:51Speaker 02

  So many of them, they, the, the first thing, they get a healing.

• 1:15:58Speaker 02

  Because darkness is the most healing power. So animal, when they. Get sick, that is the old way. Fight, they don't have, they don't have have doctor, they don't have the hospital. You know, in the, in the jungle. So if they get sick, they, the only way they know, they go to the dark, not eating. Just laying there until they recover and they come out. So that's why animal they know. And that's why human also learn. So they learn how to be. Uh, sitting in the dark and let the energy started to heal themselves, you know.

• 1:16:40Speaker 01

  Wow, powerful, powerful. So that's one of your most popular treatments now at the Tao Garden. Is the dark.

• 1:16:48Speaker 02

  So they, so we have the dark room. So, uh, we, so we have the.

• 1:16:58Speaker 02

  We have the dark room. And actually, we are, we are. We are. Plan to make a bigger dark room. And when I, in that time, we, we get it.

• 1:17:16Speaker 02

  A, we get the permission, everything. And after that, the call we come, we, we just stop for, stop for a few, few years. And after that, now we want to review again. We have to be make, we have to apply again. You know, and, uh, and there is a, a lot of whole procedure to go back again, you know. So that's why we said we want to build a building. So we just, so now we try to use the old one, but now we have two. We, uh, like last time, the dark room is full.

• 1:17:57Speaker 02

  One condominium, so forty-eight people is full. And we have the second condominium, so we have some people, they they they register late, but they want to have a room. So we use a second room, second condominium as a room. But they they can listen to me, to me teaching and everything. But I always, every day I go in and teach them.

• 1:18:23Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:18:24Speaker 02

  And guide them how to do practice.

• 1:18:26Speaker 01

  Okay. Master Chia, what do you think is is the future of sexual energy? You know, we we see all of these new technology developments like artificial intelligence. People are now talking to their AIs. Some people marry their AIs. We see robots coming. Um, I know in Japan, they have sexual robots, I hear. Um, and what do you think is gonna be the next future? If you look forward even a hundred years from now and humans and their sexuality, um, are we gonna be with machines? And what do you see as as some of the dangers? Or how do you see the human evolving?

• 1:19:10Speaker 02

  I mean, we can teach the AI and they become smarter than us. You know, and so I mean, if you look at all the all the movie, you know, one day they take over the world, you know? And uh, and that we are become the sleep, you know? Because they are smart. That mean, we keep on feeding them information, okay? And they remember that. And they and they can think by themselves. Because now they can think about themselves. And eventually, they smarter than us, you know? And they, so they, so so some of the movies said the AI, I mean, all these artificial uh, intelligent, they will

• 1:19:55Speaker 02

  Loo us at all.

• 1:19:58Speaker 01

  Are you surprised, Master Chia? Did you ever think that you would live long enough to see machines smarter than humans?

• 1:20:06Speaker 02

  Yes, it's coming out now because they can learn and they can increasing their memory. So, and they can live, I don't know, maybe so long, you know. I mean, the machinery, unless they break down, that's all.

• 1:20:26Speaker 02

  And this, when they, when they learn the intelligence of the human, they like human.

• 1:20:33Speaker 02

  And they, they can be, so we, sometime we ask them, they give you the right answer. I mean, they're smart enough than us.

• 1:20:45Speaker 01

  And what do you think when you see these humanoid robots powered by AI? Do you think humans will be having sex with robots in the future? And has that become dangerous?

• 1:20:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I mean, the one they have, if you have baby, if you have a fetus and you take out the fetus and put it in there and they grow for you. So they build up like a mother. And then, because the mother have to pregnant nine month. But now, they get the, the artificial thing and they have a little life and they put it in there and they grow. So mothers don't have to bear the stomach for nine month, you know. And that's what they're planning that way.

• 1:21:34Speaker 01

  Is this dangerous?

• 1:21:37Speaker 02

  The time come, that machine will be smarter than us. I mean, we feed them all the intelligence and they Smarter than us. But we have to make sure we can control them, you know.

• 1:21:52Speaker 01

  Master Chi, let me ask you about trauma. Because it's something that I think we talk about more these days than maybe thirty, forty years ago. And most people believe they have trauma and they also believe the trauma is held inside their bodies. We also see a world where sometimes there's a lot of anger and a lot of violence. And I'm wondering, do you believe that sexual energy can can heal these things? Or can also make us less angry, less violent, and can heal some of our traumas? And if so, how how do people start with that?

• 1:22:29Speaker 02

  Sexual energy, when you use it the wrong way, and it's causing all the trauma. That's why it's very powerful. So that's why in the Tao way, we believe that sexual energy, when we use them, it can heal. So that's why if you have, for example, we said, the first step, the first energy is that return. So that you return the sexual energy up to revitalize the brain. That's the first step. And that is the sexual energy again, you know. And after that, the second step is how to strengthening organ by organs.

• 1:23:11Speaker 02

  Okay, so in the Tao said, when you make love. And when you when you go into a lot arousal orgasm, but you're still in control, so you rest.

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  And you channel this sexual energy, so men and women do the same time. So you channel this sexual energy up into the lungs. Now, now it will heal the lung, if you have lung problem. So that's why sexual energy can heal any problem that we have inside the body. So we call it benefit. So it benefit is specialized. How you're going to bring the sexual energy up into that organ for healing?

• 1:24:55Speaker 01

  So powerful, so powerful. Master Chia, how old are you and what are you doing for the next five years?

• 1:25:01Speaker 02

  Uh, eighty-two now.

• 1:25:05Speaker 01

  How do you feel?

• 1:25:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, I still, I still like to work because that is a, I think I still can work for a long while. Yeah, so that I like, so now I travel lesser.

• 1:25:22Speaker 02

  Before that, I traveled to the teaching around the world two time a year, and now we got one time a year only.

• 1:25:31Speaker 01

  And where do you go? Where do you go?

• 1:25:33Speaker 02

  So originally in Europe, America and Europe.

• 1:25:36Speaker 01

  Okay. I think you told me once that you used to teach in Berlin when the wall was still up between East and West Berlin. Is that true?

• 1:25:49Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:25:50Speaker 01

  So nineteen eighty-seven or something like that.

• 1:25:53Speaker 02

  And I, I, when I, in that time when I teach and they, uh, the East Berlin, they close. That mean they don't allow, but we can travel there. So I go there and look at the museum, you know, there's a lot of museum there. And so after that.

• 1:26:17Speaker 02

  And when I teach, some of them can travel from East Berlin, they come out to study. And now, when they're open, so now, a lot of these people, because they read the book, they like, and they come to study also.

• 1:26:36Speaker 01

  That's incredible. So you've been going there for 40 years?

• 1:26:40Speaker 02

  Yes, when the war haven't go down yet.

• 1:26:43Speaker 01

  That's incredible. My mom took me to Checkpoint Charlie, and I went to East Berlin in 1987, or 86. So I saw the old East Berlin. It was crazy. It was like going into a time machine. And people were wearing bell-bottom jeans, and it was a very strange place. But I just, I think it's amazing how long you've been doing this, Master Chia. It's really impressive. And are you gonna teach for another 20 years?

• 1:27:14Speaker 02

  I hope so.

• 1:27:19Speaker 01

  And so, you tour Europe, you tour the US, and you also still have retreats and teachings at the Tao Garden in Chiang Mai in Thailand. That's how people can learn from you?

• 1:27:30Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:27:31Speaker 01

  Okay. And what's the best way for people to learn more about how they can book one of your events, or come to see you in Thailand? Is it a website, or what's the best way?

• 1:27:41Speaker 02

  So we have a website called MingTikChia.com. And there have a schedule. They can click in, see what kind of schedule they want, what kind of classes, what week they are ready, what I am teaching. So they can see that the schedule, the whole year, actually two-year schedule.

• 1:28:03Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:28:03Speaker 02

  So people have time to plan their traveling.

• 1:28:08Speaker 01

  Amazing. Okay, good. And, look, for people that are listening, you know, we didn't even get into the different organs and massage in the organs. We didn't get into the elements, like the wood and the rain. And there's so much more that you teach, Master Chia. You've read my charts before as well and given me feedback on my own, my own self. So there's a lot that goes into your teaching. It's not all sexual energy and not all dark rooms. It's also the entire body that you teach. Is that right?

• 1:28:39Speaker 02

  Yes. I mean, we have the, like the basic training, we call opening the microcosmic. So energy moving into a cycle. And we have that. I mean, everybody have it. But if the energy are blocked into one area, the energy don't move, the people get sick or don't feel well at all. So that's why when they're opening the orbit, people, a lot of healing take place.

• 1:29:09Speaker 01

  That's the microcosmic orbit?

• 1:29:11Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:29:12Speaker 01

  And then the elements, what are the, is it five elements in the body as well? What are those?

• 1:29:18Speaker 02

  Yes, because in the Tao said, we have five elements. So for example, we said the heart is a fire element because the heart is pulsing and like fire. And the spleen is the earth elements, okay? The spleen. And the lung is a metal elements. So they're linking into metal. And, and the, and lungs metal. And kidney is the water elements. And the liver is the, the tree, or we call green power, tree, uh, energy. So that's why five elements have five, five organs have five elements.

• 1:30:00Speaker 02

  So these five elements is easy to be accessed or we say connecting to the planetary. So the five, so the Planetary, we have, we said, uh, water like fire, planet like Mars. Like the mercury, we call the water planet. So when we understand the, the planet and what element they are, and we can link them into the organs. So now, uh, they have, so we said wisdom from the planet. So the planet whole wisdom and knowledge for its organs.

• 1:30:46Speaker 02

  So that's why the whole, there's a whole practice of that to come into the Tao practice.

• 1:30:53Speaker 01

  Yes, I remember. I remember you teaching me this. And if people are curious, I think Master Chia has been on London Real five or six or seven times. So you can go watch his episodes on our channel, on our website. You also were at one of our events in London. And everybody loves, loves you, Master Chia. Everybody loves to learn from you.

• 1:31:16Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:31:17Speaker 01

  And they love to watch your videos. And your background is, your parents are Thai and you grew up in China, is that correct?

• 1:31:25Speaker 02

  No, my parents are Chinese. They, the immigration, the grandfather, mother immigration from China to here in Thailand.

• 1:31:37Speaker 01

  Right, okay.

• 1:31:38Speaker 02

  So that's, yeah.

• 1:31:39Speaker 01

  And that's the.

• 1:31:40Speaker 02

  So that, yeah. So that's why we are here. So when, uh, so I born here, so I am become a Thai citizen.

• 1:31:49Speaker 01

  Ah, okay. And you met your Tao master in Thailand?

• 1:31:55Speaker 02

  In Thailand, yes. Because that time, many, uh, the cultural revolution. So they, they shut down a lot of temple and all these things. Churches and temple, they closed down.

• 1:32:12Speaker 01

  In Thailand?

• 1:32:13Speaker 02

  So all, no, in China.

• 1:32:15Speaker 01

  In China, correct.

• 1:32:16Speaker 02

  All these Chinese, um, Tao masters.

• 1:32:20Speaker 02

  So they have more connection, so they can escape. So they, and the favorite place they like to do, they to come is Thailand.

• 1:32:31Speaker 01

  Okay, so you were in the perfect place to learn from some of the best in the world. Where you were in Thailand.

• 1:32:38Speaker 02

  They escape from that, you know, so they want money, you know.

• 1:32:41Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:32:42Speaker 02

  So they willing to teach you anything. But in China, no, you have to be stay with master 10, 5 year, 10 year, 20 year to learn something.

• 1:32:51Speaker 01

  Ah, okay, so they would teach you quickly in Thailand?

• 1:32:54Speaker 02

  Yes, because they want money.

• 1:32:57Speaker 01

  And what did your parents think of your journey of the Tao?

• 1:33:01Speaker 02

  My parents don't support that. Because in one time, one of the master, he asked me a lot of money. And I studied with him, I said, I like that, you know. So he asked a lot of money. And I saw my, I have car, I have house, I saw they, give the money to them, you know. So, and I learned anyhow. So that is, I think that for me, every time I think about that, I said, it's just unlucky that I met the master.

• 1:33:42Speaker 02

  And he looking for somebody to teach, and I looking for somebody to teach me. And he want money, and I also supply him the money. So after that, he teach me the whole system.

• 1:33:59Speaker 01

  And how old were you when you started with him?

• 1:34:02Speaker 02

  In that time, quite young, I'm teenager now, that time. So I beginning, so I like all these things so much, so I looking for it.

• 1:34:14Speaker 02

  And I'm lucky that when I met the master and he need the money. And that's how it worked that way. So I, uh, when I, when I learned from me in the first step, open the microcosmic, I said, this is real, you know, this is real. So, and after that, I go back again and he talked to me that this is the whole system. And um, so I said, uh, how about you teach me the whole system and how much money he want, you want? He asked me, there's a lot of money, so I decide to sell all the thing I have.

• 1:34:58Speaker 02

  And my grandma and my mother said, you are crazy, okay? When he know it, you know, you are crazy, you give that kind of money to the people like that? And you sell all your thing, you know? I said, I learned something, I really learned it. And I think that, uh, the knowledge I learned from these people, from him, it was what I have, so I give them all.

• 1:35:26Speaker 02

  And uh, anytime, you know, when, so when I set up the Tao garden and teaching all this Tao practice, they come here and uh, and they said, huh, I don't believe that. You learn this thing and now you develop them this much, you know? And it's a whole center. That time, the whole family from Bangkok, they come here and stay for a few days, you know? And they look at it, yeah. So they say you, you, you really, uh, because they are, they are Christian.

• 1:36:02Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:36:02Speaker 02

  And I said, so Akiva asked me, are you go to church? I said, I preach every Sunday. Yeah.

• 1:36:11Speaker 01

  So your master was surprised and impressed of how big you became?

• 1:36:18Speaker 02

  Uh, no. After he, he, uh, we go back to China. And he get the money from me and he want to take the family out. Yeah. So after that, we have no connection. I don't know what happened to him and we have no more connection at all. I think that he must have problem with take the family out. There's a lot of, the family is quite big, so he want to take them all out.

• 1:36:52Speaker 01

  Okay. Have you ever?

• 1:36:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:36:56Speaker 01

  Have you ever gone to China and taught in China?

• 1:37:00Speaker 02

  Uh, I've been teaching in China, uh, two, three years ago.

• 1:37:07Speaker 01

  How was it?

• 1:37:08Speaker 02

  Uh, the, we have a lot of people. Are they, so I teaching one week there. And yeah, so the person that organized me, uh, so he, he know a many people. So when I'm there, so I teaching for one week. But over there, you know, they're always so afraid. They said, uh, sometime you teaching and you have too many people. They will come in and watch you like that. So that's mean, uh, so that's why I, I just keep a little bit low key and like that.

• 1:37:53Speaker 02

  And a lot of thing I cannot teach there.

• 1:37:56Speaker 01

  Like what?

• 1:37:57Speaker 02

  Like healing love, like healing love, sexual energy, we don't teach that.

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• 1:39:05Speaker 02

  Well, we, the person that organized me when they talk about sexual energy said, you teach them the basics and they want the healing love, they come here and study.

• 1:39:17Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:39:17Speaker 02

  So now we have a group of Chinese people come here and they come, in this week, I'm teaching the Chinese.

• 1:39:26Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:39:27Speaker 02

  I finished the Western last week. So all the people from Europe, America, they come here.

• 1:39:36Speaker 01

  Okay. And, and this is fascinating for me. And when you learn from your master when you were 16 and you gave him all your money, how, how long did it take you until you started teaching people? And, you know, making money yourself? 10 years? 5 years?

• 1:39:55Speaker 02

  No, actually, I learned from him and he passed me all the practice. Because I gave him a one sum of big money.

• 1:40:05Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:40:06Speaker 02

  So he passed me and it seemed like that, he said, it seemed like you learned something of this kind of thing before your past life. I said, I don't know my past life. Okay, okay. So what he said, you, you, a lot of things you already know.

• 1:40:27Speaker 02

  So when he told me about that, the formula, and he explained to me, I know. It seemed like I know it, you know. So that's why it's very quick. So when I finished that, and when I finished and he, so he go back to China. And I'm working in a company. So in the evening, I'm free. So I ran a house in Bangkok, in the Sukhumi Road. That is the first, a very long Sukhumi. So that's why I teaching there. And a lot of people, so we only teach Chinese.

• 1:41:11Speaker 02

  So the Chinese people come. And I teach them, and give them energy, and heal them, you know. So there's, and a lot of people come. And the real teaching is when I move to America.

• 1:41:27Speaker 01

  Okay. How old were you?

• 1:41:31Speaker 02

  I think there is thirty-something already.

• 1:41:34Speaker 01

  And you moved? You actually lived in America?

• 1:41:37Speaker 02

  Yes, I move far. That mean I, my sister is a citizen. And he partition me. And after that, when the Vietnam, when the American retreat, one day, one night, they just left, you know. They leave everything here. They leave all the gun, all the airplane, everything. They thought overnight, they just left. Just take their soldier's gold, and they don't even move anything. And after that, the Vietnam have all the weapon. And they hate Thailand. Because Thailand have a base. All the airplane is based here, and fly here, and to bomb them. It's the border, you know.

• 1:42:22Speaker 02

  So bomb them. And they really hate it, you know. So when the, when the American left, the first thing, they move all the army. Nobody can fight them now. They said so much, they fight the French and they fight the American. And the Americans said, we, I, that's enough. They enough, they go back home, you know. They just, one day, they just move. They don't take any weapon, they don't get anything, they just like, take the people out and leave it. So that's why that time, I say, I'm, but my sister said, you better leave now. So I just moved to America and I start teaching there.

• 1:43:01Speaker 01

  And then you got really big.

• 1:43:03Speaker 02

  Yes, so, so, so, when I teaching and I write the book Awakening the Healing Energy and it's selling in the US. And people say, hey, this is very good practice. And after that, when it translate into Germany. And that is the, because the Switzerland, the German, Switzerland, they all speak German.

• 1:43:30Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:43:31Speaker 02

  And so they, so that's why when they translating into German book. And that they, so they, the one, the publisher petitioned me to teach in the Switzerland. So it start from there.

• 1:43:48Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:43:48Speaker 02

  From Switzerland to Germany, to Berlin, and to all the other country.

• 1:43:53Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:43:54Speaker 02

  Because they translate, so now the book is translating to every languages. So about thirty something languages. So they, so the Samuel Weiser, Samuel Weiser is a publisher, he's a Jewish.

• 1:44:11Speaker 01

  Okay. And then at the same time, in the seventies, you're having the sexual revolution coming from the late sixties and people are open maybe to new ideas. And then they're reading about you and everything becomes popular.

• 1:44:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, yeah, inside there is just very straightforward teaching.

• 1:44:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:44:32Speaker 02

  How to massage the penis, how to massage the breast, how to, how to activate the catharsis and all these things. It's very. You know, and people say, oh, my God, you know. But when they read it, it's not like pornography. But they give them some knowledge about their own organs.

• 1:44:52Speaker 01

  Amazing.

• 1:44:52Speaker 02

  Their own sexual organ.

• 1:44:54Speaker 01

  I think they need to make a movie about your life, Mantak. What do you think?

• 1:44:58Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:45:01Speaker 01

  Master Chia, just want to say thank you so much for today, but also for the past 10, 12 years. You come to London Real and so many people have watched your videos. You changed so many lives. You changed my life. And I was very against any of your teachings when I met you. I was uncomfortable. I was scared. I was like, ah. And now I can have this conversation with you today. No problem. We can talk about.

• 1:45:27Speaker 02

  Thank you so much.

• 1:45:28Speaker 01

  We can talk about sharpening the sword. No problem. And it's amazing. I think you told me one time that your children saw you on YouTube on London Real and they realized how important you were and how cool you were. Because now you are on YouTube. Is that true?

• 1:45:46Speaker 02

  Yes. The children, they, I mean, they grow up and I try to teach them. You know, I keep them in the beginning. I teach them beginning meditation and all these things. I teach them. And I said, now, now you might not appreciate, but you learn this one, one day you appreciate because you learn something that is very good for yourself. If you don't teach me it. So we don't know that we have a few children, but I don't know which one could be going to be continue teaching like me. And, and I sometimes, I'm not think that, okay, they might be not doing that.

• 1:46:31Speaker 02

  But I have built up enough students all around the world and they have become instructor and teaching on. So they carry on in all different languages around the world.

• 1:46:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, I met a guy in Dubai on, at the hotel I stay at. And he was all about you, Master Chia. He knew everything, he had practiced all the energy. He was teaching in Dubai and he was like the next level. And we talked about you, so yes, you have students everywhere. Um, I, I think you need to teach in Dubai next when you do your world tour.

• 1:47:10Speaker 02

  I've been in Dubai, teaching, uh, yeah, teaching one, this is a long time ago.

• 1:47:18Speaker 01

  Okay, okay.

• 1:47:19Speaker 02

  They invited me to teach, uh, in there, yeah.

• 1:47:23Speaker 01

  It's getting bigger, so there you go. Um, Master Chia, thank you so much. I'd say to everybody here, go to mantechia.com and learn more about this. Book his next appointment or his next tour and go to the Tao Garden. It looks like I'm going, I guess, to Chiang Mai with my two sons to come visit you. So we can teach them some things and it would be great to see you. But thanks so much for everything you do. We really appreciate you, Master Chia. And, um, let's do this again, next time you're in London, let's do this again.

• 1:47:52Speaker 02

  Okay, thank you so much, Mariah.

• 1:47:54Speaker 01

  Thank you very much, alright.

• 1:47:55Speaker 02

  So happy to see you.

• 1:47:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, me too, thank you so much. And, uh, we'll do this soon again in person, for sure.

• 1:48:03Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:48:03Speaker 01

  Alright, and thanks to everybody for watching. Go check out this man, he is the truth, he is the real G. He is the OG, he is the mag daddy. Trust me, Mantechia is the man. Go check him out, we'll see you next time on London Real, bye.

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