Pod Insights Life Will Be the Death of Me with Chelsea Handler Argentinean? with Camila Morrone About this episode Actress Camila Morrone (The Night Manager, Daisy Jones and the Six) joins Chelsea to chat about working with women showrunners, how she learned to love horror, and what it’s like getting new siblings as an adult. Then: A dad behaving badly online might get him banned from his kid’s wedding. A mom wonders if she should reach out to her long-lost siblings. And a 30-something gets dumped by ChatGPT.
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2:45 Speaker 01 May 15th Saratoga, California. May 16th Monterey, California. May 17th Modesto, California. And then June 4th Portchester, New York. June 5th is Boston, Mass. And June 12th is Portland, Oregon. And then Seattle is June 13th. I'm doing a second show at the Paramount Theater in Denver on Saturday, December 5th. So suck on that, everybody. Go to ChelseaHandler.com for tickets. Hi Catherine.
3:16 Speaker 02 Hi Chelsea. How's New York?
3:18 Speaker 01 New York City is beautiful. It's beautiful here. It's beautiful. It's a spring day. There's no snow. But everyone's still talking about the snow. But the snow is gone. I did a lot of press yesterday. We're talking about my dating app. That's not a dating app. It's just on my Instagram, but people are calling it a dating app.
3:39 Speaker 02 Was your socials team prepared for this?
3:41 Speaker 01 No, they're never prepared for anything I do. I wasn't even prepared for it. I didn't realize how many DMs were going to come through. And you know, that's just me never thinking things through. But I really do want to let my people know, the people who are listening to this podcast. I am, I really do want to help people meet each other. And I do want to find like cool men for women to hook up with because I do believe they're out there. And many of them are getting divorced or have gotten divorced. So there are good men out there and some of them, you know. But like, we have to weed through all of this. So I'll be getting updates.
4:10 Speaker 02 Right.
4:10 Speaker 01 And I'll be giving updates. I'm not, we're doing it. It's on. So like, it's happening. I just need a bigger team of people and more of a bandwidth. Hooked up like two gay guys. I've hooked up two separate gay guys and a straight couple have gone on a date. I mean, you're a regular grinder over here. So this is happening. It's, it's working. It's just, we haven't figured out what the next, you know, formal iteration of my dating service is going to be. And I don't even want to call it a dating service because I can't commit to doing this, but I am going to try and help. Anyway, that's what's happening in New York. I'm leaving tomorrow. I have new shows that I'm doing. I've just announced a whole new batch of shows for the second
4:51 Speaker 01 leg of my High and Mighty Tour. And I've added second shows and I am coming to all the cities that I haven't been to yet that you haven't seen. So go to chelseahandler.com. I'll be in New York, Atlanta, blah, blah, blah, Vancouver, tons of places. We just announced it. So I'll be performing and touring through the end of the year. So come and see me and go to chelseahandler.com for your tickets for the High and Mighty Tour. And then our guest this week is very exciting, who, you know what? She was real fucking funny and I didn't know she was gonna be funny. So funny. I was really not expecting that. Me neither. So you guys are in for a real treat. She's an actress that you know from Daisy Jones and the Six and The Night Manager. You can find her in Netflix's Something
5:32 Speaker 01 Very Bad Is Going to Happen and The Age of Innocence. Please welcome Camila Morrone. Okay, great. Let's go.
5:40 Speaker 03 I see that you wear shoes on your couch.
5:41 Speaker 01 I don't give a shit what you put on my sofa.
5:44 Speaker 03 I walked in your house and I was like, should I take my shoes off? I'm such a New Yorker. I'm like, do I take my shoes off? What do I do?
5:48 Speaker 01 I, I said, in New York, well, New York is, yeah, that's disgusting.
5:51 Speaker 03 Because you can bring like a dead body on the bottom of your feet.
5:52 Speaker 01 I honestly don't like, when I think about moving to New York, which at some point I will do, because I have to live in New York at some point.
5:57 Speaker 03 You still haven't done it?
5:58 Speaker 01 No, and I'm from New Jersey.
5:59 Speaker 03 Well, now it's my, like, my favorite pastime is like converting people. I've like made it actually, I'm like at like nine, like my number's crazy. I'm like really good at getting people to move to New York.
6:08 Speaker 01 Really?
6:08 Speaker 03 And I find it like, like a weird test.
6:10 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it is a good thing to be good at.
6:12 Speaker 03 You want to live here.
6:14 Speaker 01 What, what, what, how long have you lived in New York now?
6:16 Speaker 03 I lived in New York for three years, but I act as if I like built the city with my bare hands. I'm like the Brooklyn Bridge. I did it. I did that.
6:23 Speaker 01 Okay. So what prompted you to move to New York? Because you're from LA. You grew up here.
6:26 Speaker 03 I'm born and raised in LA. I mean, I went to school in Santa Monica. I went to school in the valley. I went to school all over. I went to Beverly Hills. So I had divorced parents that were fighting about, you know, where to live. So I've lived everywhere, but then I just felt like. Post pandemic, I thought it, you know, things changed, obviously in LA and I just thought, I, I wanted to do something that I just wanted to like, wake up and go to the theater if I wanted to, which I don't ever do, but I could do it in theory.
6:51 Speaker 01 Well, it's not usually, yeah, it's, they're not usually playing in the morning, so.
6:54 Speaker 03 New York is crazy. You don't know, you don't know New York.
6:57 Speaker 01 I'm sure there is some fucking theater that's up there in the park.
6:59 Speaker 03 I got a little bit, you know, bored of LA and I didn't want to be in the car for so long and I just was like, I want to maybe go for a walk if I want to go for, I haven't, I didn't recreationally walk in LA in 25 years. I don't think I ever went for like a walk. Do you walk?
7:11 Speaker 01 No, no, I don't walk here. I don't, I don't do anything here because I, I feel, I'm with you on the LA thing. Like I was going to move to New York and then I, this house kind of took longer than I anticipated. And so I kind of put a pin in it, but I'm with you about LA is a little, is, uh, it's a little boring.
7:28 Speaker 03 Well, everything closes at like 9pm. Like what if you want to go to Koreatown at 11:30? Like I don't do any of it, but I know that it's there. So like I have the option.
7:35 Speaker 01 Yeah, right.
7:36 Speaker 03 But I actually find myself being more fun in New York. I'll like go to the Comedy Cellar on a random Tuesday night when I can get in and all that.
7:43 Speaker 01 Yeah.
7:43 Speaker 03 That's like fun for me.
7:44 Speaker 01 Are you a subway person?
7:45 Speaker 03 Yeah, I take the train everywhere. I mean, I don't think you, I mean, I get really sick in the back of like Ubers and I hate being schlepped and I hate small talk.
7:51 Speaker 01 I hate, I hate underground transportation.
7:54 Speaker 03 I'm like the person that all the Uber drivers are like, I'm like, how are you? And they're like, well, actually, my wife left me. She's been sleeping with my, my best friend for 35 years and I found out yesterday, I'm in the back like being shoved around Manhattan, like about to throw up in the back of a car. So the train, yeah, great.
8:08 Speaker 01 I don't like underground transportation. There's something about that smell that I can't get past. I'm very sensitive to smells.
8:14 Speaker 03 Some of the trains are very clean.
8:15 Speaker 01 Okay. Well, I believe you, but I probably won't find out about it anytime soon.
8:18 Speaker 03 I don't think you need to. You can sell this house and never take a train again.
8:22 Speaker 01 Or take trains for the rest of my life, depending on how that goes. Um, wait, first of all, I can't stop looking at your eyebrows because they are so perfectly coiffed, if you will. And do you use anything for your eyebrows? Cause my makeup artist did it to me yesterday and I had eyebrows like I.
8:36 Speaker 03 They looked great yesterday.
8:36 Speaker 01 Like I had never had before.
8:38 Speaker 03 Yeah.
8:38 Speaker 01 They were sticking up kind of like yours and combed and I loved it.
8:40 Speaker 03 I've actually never, the one thing that I listened to my mother, two things. She was like, don't ever get a tattoo because she's had to get all her, hers removed, her tram stamp removed. And then she was like, don't ever touch your eyebrows. And when I was a teenager, you know, like it was like cool to do the nineties brow. And it's the only thing that I actually listened to her that now I'm like, kind of grateful that I didn't do, but I've never talked to them. I've never. Waxed or done anything.
9:01 Speaker 01 So what do you do? Should I brush them like that?
9:03 Speaker 03 Well, I just, yeah, I brush them like that.
9:05 Speaker 01 They look good. They look really good.
9:06 Speaker 03 They're really thick, you know, I have to embrace it.
9:07 Speaker 01 I, well, you're Argentine, right?
9:09 Speaker 03 Yes, yeah.
9:09 Speaker 01 And is that the proper way to say Argentinean or Argentine?
9:12 Speaker 03 I actually don't know Argentinean or Argentine.
9:13 Speaker 01 I was told it was Argentine, but I would, I mean, you should find out.
9:16 Speaker 03 I'm Argentinean, I'll ask.
9:17 Speaker 01 Okay, yeah, yeah, please, because I'd like to say it correctly. Well, especially if you're not from there, I want to pay with like, the right amount of respect to people.
9:24 Speaker 03 Argentine or Argentinean has to be politically correct.
9:26 Speaker 01 You speak Spanish?
9:26 Speaker 03 Yes.
9:27 Speaker 01 Yeah, okay, and both of your parents are Argentinean or Argentine?
9:30 Speaker 03 Are Argentine or Argentex, I don't know this. They're, my mom and dad are, it's actually a funny story, they're both from Buenos Aires in Argentina, and they met at a club called Tequila that is still a club. And my mom was nineteen and her family were like all lawyers and politicians and worked for the president. My dad was a twenty-seven-year-old male supermodel named Maximo Morrone. And she was like, I'm going to move to Paris with Maximo and we're going to make love and have babies. And then like very shortly after, they very much did make love and have a baby, and I'm that baby.
10:00 Speaker 01 And you're that baby.
10:01 Speaker 03 That's the only baby they ever had.
10:03 Speaker 01 And then what happens?
10:04 Speaker 03 I mean, what do you think happened? And then I met at a club called Tequila and there was a divorce about seven years after.
10:11 Speaker 01 Because of Tequila?
10:11 Speaker 03 Which is why I was too much. Well, who knows what was a part of that divorce.
10:15 Speaker 01 So you bounced around a lot between your mom and your dad in Los Angeles, and how was that?
10:21 Speaker 03 Oh, I mean, I hated it. Like, I had to pack a little doggy bag every week and like bring all my schoolwork and all my, you know, like my makeup that my mom let me use, my dad wouldn't let me. I mean, just like typical child of divorced parents stuff. But I got to live all over LA. I mean, they were like, my dad was like, I want to surf in Santa Monica. My mom's like, I live in the valley, so like the only person that gets like fucked in that is me.
10:40 Speaker 01 No wonder you were sick of sitting in a car.
10:41 Speaker 03 Yeah, I was like, I never want to sit on a freeway ever again.
10:44 Speaker 01 But, but.
10:44 Speaker 03 This freeway that we actually just passed coming here, that was my freeway. I know that freeway very well.
10:49 Speaker 01 Were you triggered?
10:50 Speaker 03 Yeah, I called my therapist immediately.
10:52 Speaker 01 What, are there, but aren't there some advantages to having divorced parents? Like, can't you play them off of each other and kind of use that to your advantage in some regard?
11:00 Speaker 03 Not in the slightest because they talk about everything. That's the worst part about having parents who like got along after their divorce, or like sometimes got along, because my mom would like fact check and be like, is it true? That she said that you can do this and like at your house and whatnot. So no, no.
11:13 Speaker 01 Okay.
11:14 Speaker 03 There was no advantage.
11:15 Speaker 01 There was no advantage.
11:16 Speaker 03 Maybe like crying easier on a movie set when I like have to think about my trauma, but that's pretty much it.
11:21 Speaker 01 And what about growing up in Los Angeles? What did, how did that inform your life? And I mean, you, you dropped out of school, high school at 15, right?
11:28 Speaker 03 I mean, I went to independent studies. I got my GED and I studied at like independent studies, which was basically my way out of being like, I'm a working actor. I was not a working actor yet, but I was modeling then. And I got to do like home study where you like bring your work to school. You kind of Google the answers and then you like send it back. And I still got to graduate my class and like throw my cap and gown and all that. But I mean, growing up in LA, I mean, I guess you don't realize, but like last night I was driving through Beverly Hills and I was showing someone was like, oh my God, that was like my ride aid. And that was my mulberries pizza and that was my Chipotle. He's like, that's insane that Beverly Hills was like your Chipotle, your Chipotle and your pizza shop. Like, that's not normal.
12:07 Speaker 01 Your local vibes.
12:08 Speaker 03 That's insane. Even when I call Verizon, I'm like giving them my zip code. They're like 90210, like the show. I'm like, it doesn't feel like that when you're from here, but like, I guess it really was that to the rest of the world.
12:18 Speaker 01 I always find that my girlfriends that grew up in LA have like their frame of reference and their, their reality is so far afield from what's happening in the rest of the world. Especially when you grew up in a 90210 area code and you don't leave. Like I, it's so nice to hear that you left. Because it, you have to have a sense of what's happening in the world and it's not here.
12:40 Speaker 03 That's like even getting on the subway in New York, the train. I think it's like, you see like the chic woman who's from the Upper East Side and she's got her fur coat on. And then you see somebody else who's like an artist from Brooklyn. You can tell and they're like making music on the train. I think just like people actually need to pay their rent in New York in a very serious way. Cause New York is so expensive. And I think that you just like have real humans. It's, I would say the best thing about New York is it's less Hollywood concentrated.
13:04 Speaker 01 That's right.
13:05 Speaker 03 Like you don't run into an actor or a screenwriter, a producer, even though there's nothing wrong with those people. Cause I am one of them, but um.
13:11 Speaker 01 There's something wrong with all of those people. I'll go, I'm just, you, you be polite and I will go on the record.
13:17 Speaker 03 From me like.
13:18 Speaker 01 I will go on the record.
13:20 Speaker 03 Translate the words.
13:21 Speaker 01 Yes, yes, yes, yes.
13:22 Speaker 03 Um, but I think there's like, it was just a little bit of a breather. Not everybody's doing something in the industry all the time.
13:28 Speaker 01 Yeah, and that is refreshing because you meet different types of people and you're like, oh, that's interesting. And it kind of piques your interest to get like, to get involved in other things that normally, you know, you might not be. And you're not, you know, I think the thing in LA is everyone kind of sticks to their home base a lot.
13:43 Speaker 03 It's just in your neighborhood.
13:44 Speaker 01 And you don't go out of your comfort zone. Like, I just went to this thing last night and it's like, I know all the people that were there. I'm like, there wasn't a new person, you know what I mean? I'm like, I never meet anyone new here.
13:54 Speaker 02 I heard this thing once that LA is a city that happens behind closed doors. And I feel like that's so true. Like, it's a party or it's at a restaurant or it's, it's all inside somewhere.
14:02 Speaker 03 But don't you even go to the same, like, five restaurants?
14:04 Speaker 01 Yes.
14:05 Speaker 03 And then I, I do feel like living in New York, you like, push yourself to, to be a little bit more exploratory and go out and try new things.
14:11 Speaker 01 I also think like, for someone my age, it's important to move to New York because as you get older, like, you want to be vibrant. And like, you know, like, otherwise I'll just take a Xanax at seven o'clock and go to bed.
14:20 Speaker 03 And by the way, you can also do that in New York. You can also do, people are like, when you go to New York, you have to be nuts up. I'm like, I take a Xanax at eight thirty, three nights a week.
14:28 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love Xanax. I love Xanax.
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14:33 Speaker 03 Ten AM, guys, I would never.
14:34 Speaker 01 Okay, let's talk about your projects, because there are a lot of them. We have to discuss. First of all, you're in Night Manager Two, which is out. Everyone can watch that. Night Manager, it took enough, it's fucking time for them to come out with a sequel.
14:44 Speaker 03 I was like a toddler when the first one came out.
14:48 Speaker 01 But the first one was incredible. And the second one is really, really awesome, too. So it's great, because sometimes the second seasons of series do not stack up. And this one absolutely does. And that's where I first noticed your eyebrows, to be honest with you. I don't want to focus so much.
15:04 Speaker 03 This is like brow gage. Do I have like, eyebrows doing really good things?
15:07 Speaker 01 They're gorgeous.
15:08 Speaker 03 Well, I do use it in like Anastasia brow gel.
15:10 Speaker 01 Okay, I use that too. That's what you used on me yesterday. I mean, I didn't use it today, obviously, because I don't know how to do anything.
15:15 Speaker 03 Sometimes I think, like, my mom was like, I did, I went through a phase where I was like, over slicking them. She's like, it kind of looks like you've been on like a moped and just like took, took your hat off.
15:22 Speaker 01 Or it looks like there's actual gel in them.
15:24 Speaker 03 I don't like that. I don't like that.
15:26 Speaker 01 And sometimes the gel comes out and then it looks like somebody, you know, what that looks like.
15:30 Speaker 03 I'm a virgin, actually.
15:31 Speaker 01 Don't. Talk to me about the filming. Where did you get to go on location for Night Manager 2?
15:36 Speaker 03 So we started in London and then we went to Colombia. We did five different cities in Colombia and then we finished in Spain, in the Canary Islands.
15:43 Speaker 01 Oh.
15:43 Speaker 03 And then it's there.
15:44 Speaker 01 Oh, that's sexy.
15:46 Speaker 03 Yeah.
15:46 Speaker 01 And you just got back from Sevilla last night, you said?
15:48 Speaker 03 I got back from Se- Seville. I don't, I don't know. That's another one. Sevilla.
15:51 Speaker 01 I don't know.
15:52 Speaker 03 Sevilla. Sevilla for you, right? Por la noche. And they gave you in España. That's my Penelope cruise. They're gonna execute me when I went in Spain next time. They're gonna be like, she's. How dare you? Yeah. Yeah, we were in Seville fini- uh, finishing The Age of Innocence yesterday.
16:06 Speaker 01 Okay, so that's another movie.
16:08 Speaker 03 That's another one. It's a TV show, yeah.
16:09 Speaker 01 And then you have something very bad is going to happen.
16:11 Speaker 03 Yes, which is this week.
16:12 Speaker 01 Which is this week, which is from the guys who did Stranger Things.
16:16 Speaker 03 Yeah, Duffer Brothers.
16:17 Speaker 01 Okay, this is the first thing that they've done out of Stranger Things.
16:19 Speaker 03 Executive produce.
16:20 Speaker 01 Okay, okay. The first thing that they've executive produced from Stranger Things. So let's focus on one project and talk about that first. Which one would you like to start with?
16:27 Speaker 03 My eyebrows. Let's go back really. No, um, okay, what, what do you want? What do you want to know? I mean, as a horror fan, I love. Okay, great, great. I love something very bad, but I also love that you got to work with a woman showrunner, right? Greater showrunner? Which is now, it's so funny because people bring this up in interviews, but I feel like I got into the industry at probably a turning point because I've like almost exclusively worked with female directors. So cool. Which is crazy because I guess I say that to people and they're like, oh my God, that's so rare because of course it's not where the industry was 10 years ago.
16:56 Speaker 01 That is so nice to hear.
16:57 Speaker 03 But I, the last, I mean, the last five things I've done have all been, even on TV shows, like Age of Innocence, three female directors, Something Very Bad, three different female directors. I worked with Patricia Arquette on Gonzo Girl.
17:06 Speaker 01 Oh God, tell us about Patricia Arquette.
17:09 Speaker 03 Oh God, what do you want? She's the fuck. Well, for she's the fucking coolest.
17:12 Speaker 01 I will, I will. I'm totally gonna reach out to her. We need to reach out to Patricia Arquette.
17:16 Speaker 03 She's a hoot.
17:16 Speaker 01 She's awesome.
17:17 Speaker 03 Yeah, she's also like very like kooky, hippie. Like I won't talk to Patricia for the six months and then she'll send me like all these endometriosis, like herbal medicines that she found on an Instagram account. I'm like, how'd she even find this part of the web? Like, what, what are you on? Every time I come across a weird Instagram account, Patricia Arquette has liked it. I'm like. But like, how to make your house feel weird? And it's like hard to buy Patricia. And then also, my favorite part about Patricia, she's the best. She she'll comment on on people are like, you feel bad about your life? My husband did this to me after 30 years. And she's like, you should have left that man 30 years ago. And she'll comment publicly on her account. And then she gets in conversation with people on Instagram.
17:55 Speaker 01 I know, I love it. I love that behavior. I like odd behavior.
17:58 Speaker 03 I'm like, I'm like, did I tell her that like, everything's public on Instagram? Or just let her keep going?
18:02 Speaker 01 She gives a shit. You know what I mean? I think when you get to a certain age, I'm there. You do not care. You're just out there doing your thing and you're like, listen, I've already got my shit together. Like, it's you're not someone like her who is like so solid. Like, what is, who's that? What's somebody gonna do to her?
18:16 Speaker 03 She's getting involved. She's getting involved. I'm like at the place, I'm like, I don't want to say anything about anyone or anything or anything. And then she's just like, what do you want to know? Let's do it.
18:24 Speaker 01 So how was she as a director?
18:26 Speaker 03 Oh, my God. Patricia's, she's hilarious. She's very, like, she's very kind of energetic and I would say emotional. And I think having been an actor, she really doesn't hover. And so she really kind of lets you find it. And I'd even go up to her after takes and be such like an anxious people pleaser. And I was like, what did you think? Did you like it? She's like, honey, everything you do is good. Like, everything is interesting and just try something else. If you don't feel it, like, let's try something else then. And I was like, okay. I'm like calling my therapist. I'm like, being validated feels so good. I didn't know this.
18:58 Speaker 01 And well, like, okay, so so that's one female director. On The Night Manager, you did, did you have female directors?
19:04 Speaker 03 Female director.
19:04 Speaker 01 Okay.
19:05 Speaker 03 Georgie.
19:05 Speaker 01 And then you got to speak Spanish and English on that. And have you done that before in film?
19:09 Speaker 03 No, I haven't. And I also did Colombian, which is super different. Argentinian.
19:13 Speaker 01 Yes, because I took my first Spanish lesson. My first Spanish maestra was from Colombia. And she was like, that is the Spanish. Like, the Spanish that you need to learn is Colombian.
19:23 Speaker 03 Is that like neutral? That does not feel neutral at all.
19:25 Speaker 02 But there's no neutral Spanish.
19:27 Speaker 03 It doesn't feel like there's a neutralizer.
19:29 Speaker 02 Supposedly, Spain's Spanish is like the Spanish. But I was like, there's way more people who live in South America who speak a different kind of Spanish.
19:35 Speaker 03 But I can be in Spain and like not understand a lot of words. They're like, vamos a coger el coche. I'm like, coger?
19:41 Speaker 01 That's a different word. With the lisp, I can't, I don't understand.
19:44 Speaker 03 Yeah, they use the word coger a lot, which means to fuck. And they use it for everything.
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22:23 Speaker 01 Okay, so that was Night Manager. You got to go to all these fun places.
22:27 Speaker 03 Yes.
22:27 Speaker 01 And that was not why you were in Seville, though.
22:30 Speaker 03 No, that was Age of Innocence.
22:31 Speaker 01 Age of Innocence was why you're in Seville. That's not out yet.
22:34 Speaker 03 That is not out because I wrapped it yesterday.
22:35 Speaker 01 Okay, this is four. So now we're trying out four projects.
22:38 Speaker 03 We're on three, okay. So we're all over the shop here.
22:40 Speaker 01 But so do I, so it doesn't matter. I just want to keep track of the fact that you have four different projects going. Okay, so people who are watching this know which one we're fucking talking about.
22:48 Speaker 03 Okay, we shot Gonzo Girl with Patricia Arquette, the story about Hunter S. Thompson. We love that, that was a film. And then we did Night Manager in all those amazing countries. And then Something Very Bad, which is coming out this week.
22:58 Speaker 01 How do you feel about horror films in general?
23:00 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah, okay, this is what we're talking about. I actually wasn't a horror fan growing up. Like, I saw the trailer or a poster for Chucky and I didn't sleep for 15 years. Like, I created the story of what Chucky does. I didn't even need to know the plotline. I was like, it's a little redheaded doll that's like under the bed and stuff. And I know he's out to get me.
23:16 Speaker 01 Yeah.
23:17 Speaker 03 And then I saw When a Stranger Calls, which destroyed me. Still to this day, if I see unknown number on my phone, I'm certain if someone, the call is coming from inside the house. And I was totally traumatized my whole childhood. And I would like make my dad check the bed and all the things. And then when I got a little older, and actually for this project, I started watching like a wider range of horror films that like weren't meant to like traumatize you for life. And I fell in love with horror. Yeah, I really love it now.
23:44 Speaker 01 I feel like horror is better to watch for me personally, because I have like a jumping instinct. A jump scare. Yeah, I have jumps. Is A, on a plane when I'm surrounded by people.
23:53 Speaker 03 Yeah, daylight only. I would never watch something at night.
23:55 Speaker 01 Right, and during the day. But I could be on a plane at night as long as the window's open. Then I'm okay. And if I'm on this, and if I'm on the window.
24:03 Speaker 03 I do daytime, always. And I will probably most of the time cover one of my like sensories. Like, if I find something scary, I'll probably. Cover my ears so I don't get both. I can't like watch something scary and hear something scary. I have to pick.
24:15 Speaker 01 What about violence?
24:16 Speaker 03 I don't like love, blood and guts and horror. Like I don't, I don't love that. And that's what I love about the show is it's not like organs spilling out and like toenails being ripped off.
24:24 Speaker 02 Just creepy ambiance. And what I liked about it too, is they'll set something up and you're like, okay. You know, this girl is like going into these scenarios and it's very creepy and like, why doesn't she, I mean, then they solve it and then there's like a new scenario. So it's like, it's not just like a one and done. Like there's a real layered story there.
24:41 Speaker 01 And sometimes that's creepier than the actual, but I really don't like violence. Like when I see men hitting men or women, violence against women, I cannot watch it all, but I just can't even watch it. I end up closing my eyes half the movie. So if it's too violent, it's like a waste, it's wasted on me.
24:58 Speaker 03 Yeah, I, I, I, the show is, is cool because it's more of a psychological thriller, I think than like, and I think maybe perhaps I don't like the traditional horror in the sense of like blood and guts and violence. I like more of the slow burn, psychological torture.
25:13 Speaker 01 You know who else is Argentinian or Argentine? Anya.
25:16 Speaker 02 Anya Taylor-Joy.
25:17 Speaker 03 Yeah.
25:17 Speaker 01 Do you know her?
25:18 Speaker 03 Oh, she was just in Prague when I was filming and we didn't get to meet up, but she was filming something, but we know each other just casually from like award shows and stuff. Since I go to so many award shows, probably one that I've ever.
25:28 Speaker 01 It's so funny because I was at Glastonbury this year. I met her at Glastonbury and she was in the crew that I was hanging out with and I had no idea she was Argentinian or Argentine. We're going to get to the bottom of this.
25:39 Speaker 03 Or someone will for us.
25:40 Speaker 01 Exactly.
25:42 Speaker 03 Don't worry, they'll get to us before we can even get to it.
25:45 Speaker 01 But we had this beautiful conversation, which I've been kind of taking on the road with me and taking ownership of because it was about ascension, like about how women are never like cooked. We're constantly growing and constantly learning because we were talking about our age differences and I was experiencing like a really fun career moment at that time. And I was like, she's like, that's so awesome. And I was like, yeah, I'm 50 years old. Like how, can you believe like that? That's like a peak that I never thought I would peak or have a moment like that.
26:12 Speaker 03 Basically going to die after 35.
26:13 Speaker 01 Told after 40 that you're like useless. And I'm like, some of my best career moments have happened between 40 and 50. And now that I'm 50. One, I just turned 51. I'm like, I'm more excited now than ever because I, I look at everything as an ascension. Like now, I'm like, as long as women are here, especially for women, as long as we're here, we're in ascension. When we die, then it's over. Like the idea that you can't do something, like I learned how to be a kick ass skier when I was like 43, 44 years old. People usually are like, I didn't learn how to ski well.
26:40 Speaker 03 Well, I was resentful to my parents because I'm not like those skiers on the slopes that has like the little hip movements and they've all been in class since they were two. And I was like, you and I just never made me stick to any sports and now I'm not good at anything. Like I hate you guys. But they were like, you can go out there and try. So it's good to know that I can become a great skier.
26:55 Speaker 01 And now I can ski, I'll ski most people like that I even meet, you know, people that live in Whistler, I have a house in Whistler, Canada. When I go there, like people that live there, I ski better than they do.
27:04 Speaker 03 My mom got dropped. She went heli skiing yesterday in Switzerland, called me from the bottom hysterically crying. She was like, powder is so hard. Nobody told me there was no way down.
27:13 Speaker 01 Oh, that's so funny.
27:15 Speaker 03 My mom like slowed down the entire crew that she was with. She'd never heli skied. She was with these like really good skiers and they dropped her off and she was falling the entire time. She's like, I was, she's like, I was buried under the powder. It was awful. So.
27:25 Speaker 01 It's hard. Powder skiing is hard if you've never powder skied.
27:28 Speaker 03 Yeah.
27:28 Speaker 01 I have, I had that problem. Yeah. Because it's deep and it's like, everything you learn about skiing, it's kind of the opposite technique for powder. You don't do much. You just kind of hop and bounce around, but it's really scary going heli skiing already. And then if you don't know how to ski powder.
27:41 Speaker 03 I don't want to be in a helicopter and I don't want to ski on the top of a mountain in powder.
27:43 Speaker 01 And you don't want to jump out of a helicopter.
27:45 Speaker 03 Yeah. So I don't think the combination is meant for me, but I am down. I am adventurous. I would do, I would do it.
27:50 Speaker 01 So back to ascension, back to female ascension and women ascension. How old are you right now?
27:55 Speaker 03 28.
27:56 Speaker 01 Oh, oh my God, you're a baby.
27:57 Speaker 03 No, but it doesn't feel like that. I feel all the things that you're saying. It's actually really real. It's so weird. And it's like almost, it's like almost 30. And it sounds like, you know, 30 is such a baby, but it's like, my friends are actually starting to like get engaged and get married. And most of my friends have babies already. At twenty eight, thirty, I'm like, what?
28:14 Speaker 01 Why do they have babies already?
28:15 Speaker 03 I don't know.
28:16 Speaker 01 I thought that was out of style in your times.
28:18 Speaker 03 No, they're like having babies.
28:19 Speaker 01 Ooh.
28:19 Speaker 03 But they're kind of like, you know, even my dad was like, you know, you have to, you know, if you're gonna date somebody now, it's kind of gotta be your person because you're like almost thirty and I'm like, I'm almost thirty, like, what does that mean?
28:29 Speaker 01 No.
28:29 Speaker 03 That's so scary.
28:30 Speaker 01 But it's so, but it's, you have so much to look forward to.
28:33 Speaker 03 Yeah.
28:34 Speaker 01 Like, I wish when we were our age, actually, this is the moment, because I'm so much older than you, and I can tell you, you have so much to look forward to. Like, you're twenty eight, you already have a huge career, you already have a full life, you're already living in New York, like, your life is just going to get better and better and better, the more experiences you have, and like, the older you get. And I'm here to testify to that.
28:56 Speaker 03 Thank you for saying that, but like, it really is kind of traumatic, and even in the Oscars, I remember like when Michelle Yeoh won, everyone was like, oh my god, you can win an Oscar at that age. And it's like, what are we talking about? But it really is, I think specifically in the industry, like, the leading lady is meant to like, die out at, you know, thirty six or thirty eight years old, you know, it's like, then you move into the mother role, you're no longer like the love interest, and I just, I find that really confusing and scary, and it just feels like there's this like finite time limit on it.
29:23 Speaker 01 But it's just not true, look at Nicole Kidman, you know what I mean? Look at Frances McDormand, look at all those types of women that are just like constantly picking projects that they wanna do, look at Patricia Arquette.
29:33 Speaker 03 Yeah.
29:33 Speaker 01 You know, like, they're all perfect examples of the fact that you are, people are still working at that age, and that we've been fed this idea and this bullshit, and it's kind of like, counter to everything that's going on politically, like, not, even though Hollywood still has a long way to go with sexism and racism, we are, it is counter to what is happening in the world.
29:50 Speaker 03 Totally.
29:50 Speaker 01 So like, that's just not true, people are working their fifties and sixties like never before, look at Meryl Streep, look at, you know.
29:55 Speaker 03 But I find myself like unlearning this like pretense that I feel that I have, maybe I've, you know, self-implied this kind of stress and pressure and all that, but it does feel real in some capacity, but then, of course, you see the people, and even like what Reese has done with Hello Sunshine and creating her own opportunities, and I just, I actually think we're in a really interesting moment where actresses, you know, Margot Robbie and all the women who have production companies, and they're going out there and finding their own IP.
30:18 Speaker 01 Yeah.
30:19 Speaker 03 And doing what she did with Barbie and, and, you know.
30:21 Speaker 01 And Mothering Heights.
30:22 Speaker 03 Yeah, and all of it, and I just think it's really exciting that now we can like go and kind of create our own. Producerial role.
30:28 Speaker 01 In the movie, something very bad is going to happen. They, it's all about you like playing on your paranoia and, and, and like superstitious and, or superstitions. Is that, can you relate to any of that in your real life?
30:39 Speaker 03 Yeah, in the bathroom, I didn't have anywhere to put my purse. So I like held on to it while I peed just now. I have like, I have a huge tote bag because my mom was like in Argentina, if you put your purse on the floor, you instantly lose money.
30:49 Speaker 01 Oh, that's what everyone says to me. By the way, that's not true. I put my purse on the ground all the time.
30:53 Speaker 03 And look where we are.
30:54 Speaker 01 I mean, look at this house. Maybe it happened.
30:58 Speaker 03 That's why we're in the money pit.
30:59 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah, that's right. Maybe that is. Fuck it. Put it on the table.
31:04 Speaker 03 I was in your powder room, like holding on to the wall with my toe. And I was like, I can't lose money.
31:08 Speaker 01 Oh, my God. Why don't you put it on the sink?
31:10 Speaker 03 Because it's a very tiny slot.
31:11 Speaker 01 Oh, okay. Yeah, we gotta find, up on the table there. Thank you.
31:14 Speaker 03 All the contractors.
31:15 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, we don't want to talk to the contractor anymore. It's over.
31:19 Speaker 03 By the way, contractor relationships are the most volatile relationships of all time. Do you know anyone who has a successful relationship with a contractor?
31:27 Speaker 01 No, no.
31:28 Speaker 03 I've had more freight, more contractor breakups and friend breakups and relationship breakups.
31:32 Speaker 01 I know. It's unbelievable. I don't know. It's almost like if you become a contractor or something else didn't work out. Like, because I don't know why they are so crooked and why they are so careless. I had a good experience with my last contractor, but the first one's a nightmare. But I, I know.
31:47 Speaker 03 Maybe we should make an app, like a contractor app. We vetted them. I love him. I've met him. He does great work. Hire him.
31:53 Speaker 01 Yeah, but there should already be something like that. It's called a fucking referral. You know, when somebody like you know.
31:58 Speaker 03 Don't trust anybody when it comes to contractors. Nobody.
32:01 Speaker 01 I had a great experience with my Spanish contractors. They were amazing. Yeah, they were like on time, early, gave me money back at the end of the thing. It was unheard of.
32:10 Speaker 03 Yeah, that sounds like where we're supposed to get with taxes, right?
32:12 Speaker 01 So are you superstitious about anything else?
32:14 Speaker 03 Yeah, everything.
32:15 Speaker 01 Like what?
32:15 Speaker 03 Salt. Um, you know, you can't pass salt hand to hand. If it touched me hand to hand, like it's the whole thing's going over the left shoulder. Um, no umbrella indoors, of course. Forget a staircase, splitting a pole. I don't do that either.
32:28 Speaker 01 You won't walk under a staircase or you won't walk up a staircase?
32:32 Speaker 03 Either I have to be airlifted. I don't do staircases. No, I won't walk under a stair and a ladder. I mean, what else is there? There's so many. I mean, cheers and looking in the eyes, all the things. I mean, anything, black cat, forget about it. I mean, I've had a black cat cross me and I had to get out and do like this like ritual where you cross a car 13 times.
32:50 Speaker 01 Oh.
32:51 Speaker 03 I don't know.
32:51 Speaker 01 Somebody told me for my house to cleanse it, you know, to clean the energy, to get a bunch of monks here to pray to change the frequency and the vibration of the house. And I was like,
33:04 Speaker 03 You have a really great experience with this.
33:06 Speaker 01 Don't really want to deal with a bunch of monks right now.
33:08 Speaker 03 I mean, no.
33:08 Speaker 01 But maybe they can come while I'm gone because I'm never here anyway.
33:11 Speaker 03 Bring the monks.
33:12 Speaker 01 Okay, we're gonna get into the advice portion of the show where we give advice, okay?
33:15 Speaker 03 Yay.
33:16 Speaker 01 So do you-
33:16 Speaker 03 I might get hypothermia, but I'm ready to give advice.
33:19 Speaker 01 Listen.
33:19 Speaker 03 Do you want to pass me this Barefoot Dreams blanket?
33:21 Speaker 01 Yes, please.
33:21 Speaker 03 The one that's behind you?
33:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, of course.
33:23 Speaker 03 Thank you.
33:23 Speaker 01 Give me an example, if you can think of one of either the best advice or the worst advice you've ever gotten from someone.
33:31 Speaker 03 I mean, like the idea of everything happens for a reason when something like absolutely terrible is happening in your life. I'm like, everything happens for a reason. It's like such horrible things have happened in humanity in history. I don't know if everything happens for a reason, but I believe that there's a lesson to be learned from everything you do, and I'm down to embrace that. I don't know if that goes under the worst advice, but-
33:49 Speaker 01 That's just kind of like a platitude. You know what I mean?
33:52 Speaker 03 Yes, like keep calm and carry on. It's like, keep calm and carry on.
33:54 Speaker 01 It's like, when people say, my least favorite saying is when people say it is what it is. What does that mean?
34:00 Speaker 03 Yeah, what does that mean? What is it, actually?
34:01 Speaker 01 What does that mean anything?
34:02 Speaker 03 Explain to me what it is.
34:03 Speaker 01 Yeah.
34:04 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's pretty bad. I'd put that up there.
34:05 Speaker 01 Do you want to cover your other arm up with that?
34:07 Speaker 03 Yeah, the other arm's kind of exposed.
34:08 Speaker 01 I mean, do you know how to use a blanket? It doesn't seem like it.
34:10 Speaker 03 I did it, Mom. What do you want me to do like this on the top? It's like, I'm trying to also like be presentable.
34:17 Speaker 01 It's okay. As long as your eyebrows are out, we're fine.
34:20 Speaker 03 Yes, right. Give me my gel. Give me my gel. Your hair, your eyebrows is good. Okay. I have one side note to just tell you before I forget, because my brain is short-circuiting. Um, wait.
34:30 Speaker 01 Is there a cat here?
34:31 Speaker 03 Wait, um, you love to work out in my grandma's bedroom.
34:37 Speaker 03 And I'm just gonna leave that there. Ben Bruno's home.
34:43 Speaker 01 Is your grandmother's bedroom.
34:45 Speaker 03 His home gym is my grandmother's bedroom. My mom sold our house to Ben Bruno, your trainer.
34:50 Speaker 01 What?
34:51 Speaker 03 Who I still haven't met. And my grandma would come from Argentina because she's Argentine. Argentinean.
34:57 Speaker 01 She's Argentine now.
34:58 Speaker 03 And she's Argentine now. And, and we would like throw her in this garage room off the laundry that like didn't have insulation or like heating or air conditioning. And she would be so happy to be visiting us. And Ben Bruno bought the house and turned that into a gym, which you now work out.
35:11 Speaker 01 Which is called the kitchen. He calls it the kitchen.
35:13 Speaker 03 It was not the kitchen. It's the garage with no insulation and heat.
35:16 Speaker 01 That is so weird. When you said that, I was like, the only place that she could be talking about is Ben Bruno's garage. But I couldn't make the connection. Okay, are we taking a break and coming back?
35:24 Speaker 03 Yeah.
35:25 Speaker 01 Okay, we're taking a break.
35:26 Speaker 03 Back to my brows.
35:26 Speaker 01 We're taking a break with Camilla Morrone. Camilla Morrone, am I saying it right?
35:31 Speaker 03 Yeah.
35:31 Speaker 01 Camilla Morrone?
35:32 Speaker 03 I think so.
35:33 Speaker 01 We're taking a break with Camilla Morrone and we're going to be right back.
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38:09 Speaker 01 And we're back with Camilla Moreau.
38:11 Speaker 03 Wow.
38:12 Speaker 01 That was fast.
38:13 Speaker 02 So fast.
38:13 Speaker 03 Wow. Okay. I thought we were getting up, touching up.
38:16 Speaker 01 I just had to go upstairs and fix my eyebrows.
38:18 Speaker 03 Yeah, okay.
38:19 Speaker 02 Well, we have a big red flag here. So this is our one-drink question. Brecken says, "My parents are divorced, and my dad talks shit about my mom on social media."
38:29 Speaker 01 Oh, that's great.
38:30 Speaker 02 Uh huh. "My mom doesn't retaliate, but I know she's aware of it. I've asked him to stop, and he won't. But my wedding is coming up, and I don't want any drama. Should I disinvite him from my wedding if he won't stop?"
38:40 Speaker 01 Yes.
38:41 Speaker 02 Brecken.
38:41 Speaker 01 Yes, yes, yes, yes.
38:42 Speaker 03 Oh, see, I was like, no, don't disinvite your dad.
38:44 Speaker 01 That's why you're here. We're having to have differing opinions. Let me just go first, and then I want to hear what you say. I, first of all, that is totally unacceptable to trash-talk somebody's, the father or daughter, father or mother of your child in public or behind the scenes, in my opinion. Like, that's, you're the parent. Act like it. And that is a perfect reason to disinvite him from the wedding. Why would you put your mother in that situation? You know, well, I'm sure your mother's going to be cool because she's not going to be responsive to that. But you have to have a really long conversation with your father about boundaries and about what's acceptable. Okay, now you go.
39:16 Speaker 03 I'm deeply triggered. Um, this is basically my entire childhood.
39:20 Speaker 01 Is it? I thought you said they got along great though.
39:21 Speaker 03 Well, they're Argentinian and they like get along for like one Christmas. They're like best friends and the next my mom, my mom and dad are like, I won't be there if the other parent's there. That's the vibe. And he's also always very dependent on who their partner is at the time.
39:32 Speaker 01 Sure.
39:33 Speaker 03 So like if the partner's like, I don't want the ex involved. So it's, it's a very, you know, it's an up and down. It's been, it's been, it's been like a part-time job mediating between them for the last, you know, 20 years. But, um, I.
39:45 Speaker 01 Okay. Well, that's very different than what you said at the beginning of the episode where you said, my parents got along so well. So I couldn't even play them against each other. Now you're.
39:52 Speaker 03 Well, they still talk to each other about important things like if.
39:55 Speaker 01 Like you.
39:55 Speaker 03 Yes.
39:56 Speaker 01 They're in cahoots.
39:57 Speaker 03 They're in cahoots. So like they'll do a check in once you're like, how do you feel like? You know, if I'm going through a hard time, like they always talk to each other on the phone. Yeah, they do, but they don't want to hang necessarily anymore. But there has been times that they hung. It's very up and down. I want to know more about the dad posting on Instagram. Is it comments or is he doing like a grid post being like today?
40:15 Speaker 01 He's on Instagram.
40:16 Speaker 03 Is he on a grid post being like, hey, fuck you ex-wife? Like, I'm just curious. Yeah. Like, is it a grid post or is he storing it? And does he like attach a photo of the mom? But obviously he's like not over it and still loved because like he's really adamant. I have so many questions about the, like, just the technicality of the shit talking on Instagram.
40:32 Speaker 01 About what you were instinctually, you were going to say that what? That he should come.
40:36 Speaker 03 I would have a conversation with the dad first. You really don't want like your, you want your mom and dad there if they can be. So I would just sit down my dad and be like, I would love to have you there. But if you're going to be problematic, I'm very happy to uninvite you. So like, if you can control yourself, you're super wanted. If you can't, then you're not coming and that's my boundary.
40:51 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, that's reasonable.
40:53 Speaker 03 And then there's, and then there's like a really high probability that he'll like blackout and like shit talk mom at the wedding. And you have to be prepared.
40:59 Speaker 01 Right. Well, then you have to put like drinking limitations on the situation, which is never fun for anybody. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't go anywhere where they told me to limit my drinking, but I'm also not problematic like that. Not anymore anyway, not in this part of my life.
41:13 Speaker 03 They like pull reference clips of like all the times you've been And slideshow to every problematic thing Chelsea's ever said.
41:20 Speaker 01 It's a list.
41:20 Speaker 03 That's been carried out of it. Three hour compilation.
41:23 Speaker 02 We're gonna call Jane Fonda. She's gonna tell us the whole story.
41:25 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah, exactly.
41:26 Speaker 02 The whole thing. All right, Brecken, well, you've got the language to use now.
41:29 Speaker 01 Did you come on this podcast hoping to give advice? Is that why? I mean, did you know? Is that the main reason?
41:34 Speaker 03 Oh, my God, I'm so good at giving advice and I'm so bad at taking it. I love it.
41:37 Speaker 01 Me too. Exactly the same.
41:39 Speaker 03 How do we look, guys?
41:40 Speaker 02 We look amazing.
41:41 Speaker 01 You look like your cell phone's on.
41:46 Speaker 02 Okay, so our first caller today is Caitlin. She is 32 and her subject line is ChatGPT broke up with me by proxy.
41:56 Speaker 01 There she is.
41:56 Speaker 02 So Caitlin says, Dear Chelsea, I'm not sure if this qualifies as a dating question or a how do I stop my life from falling apart all at once question, but here goes. A year and a half ago, I met a wonderful man while on an extended work trip to Texas. We did long distance. It went well. And last year, we decided we were ready to move in together soon. He's fully remote and I was tethered to New York, so the plan was to make New York home. He's from here originally, too. Then everything happened at once. Before he had a chance to move in, I found out my job probably ends this year. Moving to Texas started to make financial sense. Lower cost of living, finally started personal life after years of being tied to work, et cetera. Then in January, I was diagnosed with endometriosis and surgery was scheduled a few weeks later. Suddenly, I needed one thing in my life to
42:39 Speaker 02 stay still. I couldn't face moving across the country away from my entire support network right after surgery in a red state where I'd also want to freeze my eggs while unemployed and potentially financially dependent on a man for the first time in my life. So last month, I called to ask him if he'd consider moving into my place temporarily, just to buy us some time. The conversation ended with us breaking up. He told me the romantic in him wanted to relocate, but reason told him it wouldn't work. He'd apparently been consulting ChatGPT about our relationship, which told him two people can love each other, but sometimes timing and location just don't line up. I have a long history with abandonment and relationships ending because people didn't show up when I needed them most. He offered to come help me through my surgery because
43:21 Speaker 02 he felt bad about the timing, which I declined, obviously. It made me sad to say it out loud. I guess my question is, was I asking for too much? Or am I someone who keeps finding herself alone in hard moments and calling it independence? And Caitlin, I know you have an update about relationship status here.
43:37 Speaker 01 Hi Caitlin.
43:39 Speaker 05 Hi.
43:39 Speaker 01 Hi, this is Camilla Morrone. She's our special guest today. We're happy that you called in. And yes, what's your update?
43:48 Speaker 05 We are back together. We had a call shortly after. So we were able to kind of reconvene together and figure it all out. I also had a therapy session and was able to chat with the therapist about like rationally, just like my past and walking through all of that and how previously in relationships, I've always kind of hunkered down and said, I can take care of myself on my own. So that was kind of the rationale behind us getting back together was like, I truly knew I wanted to be with him and give it a chance. I think I could possibly overlook the ChatGPT thing.
44:33 Speaker 01 Yeah, I don't think that's a deal. How did you guys come about getting back on the phone? Like, who initiated that phone call? After ChatGPT prompted, told him to break up with you?
44:42 Speaker 05 I called him.
44:43 Speaker 01 Okay. And what was that call? Like, what were your intentions with that call? To get back together?
44:48 Speaker 05 It was. It was to be clear that, you know, we needed to work things out and we kind of just needed to talk through a couple of things, like just understanding that I had a lot going on and that I think we needed to make one decision at a time realistically.
45:07 Speaker 01 And so he was open to getting back together?
45:10 Speaker 05 Yes, he was communicative in that like he had said his plan was that he would reach out again after I had my surgery and he would connect with me to try to make things right and and figure out a path forward for the both of us. So he was very receptive to getting back together. I think it was his plan all along, like after we kind of had that initial breakup conversation. But I think for me, like after talking to my therapist, I had said that I knew I truly wanted to be with him. I just was in this rush of decision making
45:51 Speaker 05 between having the surgery and feeling overwhelmed from that, feeling overwhelmed from a ton of work being dumped on me because two of my teammates left and, you know, I didn't know if my job was going to be intact by the end of the year. I just couldn't possibly make a move decision right then and there. And I just felt like hunkering down and breaking up was like the easiest thing. And when he said ChatGPT agreed, I was kind of like, well, I guess then we have no other choice.
46:21 Speaker 01 Right. Well, first of all, I hate that fucking people use ChatGPT for therapy. I hate that the people use ChatGPT, period. Tell them to go to Anthropic because ChatGPT is like surveilling all of us.
46:31 Speaker 02 Or a therapist.
46:32 Speaker 01 Yeah, or a therapist.
46:33 Speaker 02 You're like, what's in?
46:34 Speaker 01 Exactly. What am I talking about? Go to a different AI platform. But I think the overarching lesson here for our listeners and for you is when you are in a state of overwhelm, there are no decisions to be made like that. You shouldn't be making any serious decisions when you're feeling overwhelmed. You have to know that you're in a sense of kind of almost desensitization. Like when I'm so busy and so like, or I have a million things going on, it's like I can't give my full attention to certain aspects of my life. And I'm just very honest about that. I'm like, listen, I can't, I don't have the like bandwidth right now for this. I'll be back and I'll circle back on this in about a week, you know, like, and I think it's important to recognize that as women who feel like we can multitask everything and we can do a million things at one time,
47:19 Speaker 01 which we're good at, we still have our limits too. Like, and it is important to recognize when you're in those moments, you're going through a ton of stuff and going through medical, like personal stuff, that's no time to make a decision about your relationship.
47:31 Speaker 03 Yeah, I was gonna say I have Endo and I've been avoiding the surgery for since I was 15. So like you're really brave for going through it and it's very isolating and very lonely to have endometriosis. And that's a really particular thing to be going through during a breakup and it's already really scary and and makes you feel really isolated because no one really understands it unless you have it.
47:50 Speaker 02 Including doctors.
47:51 Speaker 03 Yep.
47:51 Speaker 05 Yeah.
47:52 Speaker 03 And especially men that don't understand.
47:54 Speaker 02 No.
47:54 Speaker 03 They try.
47:55 Speaker 02 Yeah.
47:55 Speaker 05 Yeah.
47:55 Speaker 01 Yeah. So how are you doing now after the surgery?
47:58 Speaker 05 My surgery actually hasn't happened. Uh, it's actually next week. It's next Tuesday. Um, he plans to fly out. He's actually been really supportive and sending articles. So it's interesting you say that it's challenging for men to understand. I think while he's in the same state of mind that he'll never understand truly. He's been doing research, like reading through Reddit forums and then also just kind of doing his own knowledge checking.
48:29 Speaker 03 That's really cute.
48:29 Speaker 05 Trying to figure out how to support me throughout the surgery.
48:33 Speaker 02 See, that's a positive use of the technology. I like that.
48:36 Speaker 03 That's what we're using.
48:37 Speaker 02 Yeah. Green flags.
48:37 Speaker 01 That's right.
48:38 Speaker 03 How do we understand when it's period?
48:40 Speaker 02 Exactly.
48:41 Speaker 03 Yeah.
48:41 Speaker 02 Exactly.
48:41 Speaker 03 How can we relate?
48:42 Speaker 01 Well, great. It sounds like everything's going great then. I'm glad that you have this update and that you filled us in on that. And yeah, we need to be talking about these issues with men as often as possible because they lack understanding because they lack education about it, you know? Endometriosis, I have two other girlfriends who are like, there's like, they, they went to male doctors who were like, knew nothing about endometriosis, which is ridiculous. And like, because it's a woman's disease or a woman's, I don't even know. Is it a disease?
49:10 Speaker 03 Yeah, and even funny enough, it's very hard. You, you can't get diagnosed unless you really open up laparoscopically and do surgery. So like you can get like a vaginal exam, but it's like actually not guaranteed.
49:19 Speaker 01 I like how you do this when you talk about a vaginal exam.
49:22 Speaker 05 Yes, I have the same experience. That's how they figured out it was Endo for me was like doing this and then they did the actual scan and saw that I had a six centimeter cyst and it's probably a deep infiltrating phase because they said it was late stage. So I hope you do also go get Endo taken care of. It's not something we should be dealing with and I hope you're able to find a solution for yourself that works.
49:52 Speaker 03 Thank you. Good luck with your surgery.
49:54 Speaker 01 Yeah, have a have a good surgery and have a good recovery and I'm glad things are back on track.
49:58 Speaker 03 And get babyed by your man.
50:00 Speaker 01 And tell him to stop going on Chat GPT. That's a direct quote from me.
50:04 Speaker 02 Reddit is okay. We've decided.
50:06 Speaker 01 Yeah, Reddit. Go on Reddit.
50:07 Speaker 03 Yeah, I love Reddit.
50:08 Speaker 05 I will. I appreciate it.
50:10 Speaker 02 Thanks, Caitlin. Good luck, okay?
50:12 Speaker 05 Thank you all.
50:13 Speaker 02 That's so funny because I didn't know that you had. I also have endometriosis and it's just like sometimes these questions, like they just kind of they find the right person. It's so funny how that happens.
50:23 Speaker 03 I know. I've actually never talked about it, but it's been such a big part of my life since I was fifteen.
50:26 Speaker 02 And you're scared to get the surgery?
50:28 Speaker 03 I have heard that it is incredibly painful, but mainly I I'm more it it grows back because it is scar tissue and it's tissue. So, you know, there's a lot of a lot of people that I've consulted with that have the surgery and two, three years later they have to get it again. There's like an old witch tale that if you have children, the pain can reduce significantly. I've taken birth control since I was fifteen to kind of minimize the pain and the bleeding, but it's the worst. It's also so emotional. I remember the day that I got diagnosed and it was, like I said, that vaginal exam and I started crying because she was like, you do in fact have Endo. And I was crying so much.
51:01 Speaker 02 My surgeon was like, so you do have endometriosis and this is after seven years of asking doctors, including FEMA once, do I have this? And they're like, well, he goes, you have Endometriosis. I was like, thank you.
51:11 Speaker 03 I remember looking at my mom, my boyfriend and being like, I told you, I'm not crazy. Like, the pain's not normal. And I actually went to the hospital, my first period when I was fifteen because they thought I was having like either pancreatitis.
51:22 Speaker 02 Sure, sure. Like gallbladder or something.
51:24 Speaker 03 Gallbladder or something and and.
51:26 Speaker 01 I like you, you look at me as a doctor.
51:28 Speaker 03 Pancreatitis.
51:28 Speaker 01 Thank you. Yes, it is pancreatitis.
51:30 Speaker 03 Pancreatitis.
51:30 Speaker 01 You're welcome.
51:31 Speaker 03 Pancreatitis. But it's, and actually, on average, it takes up to 10 years to diagnose, so.
51:35 Speaker 02 I will say, for our listeners, there is a listener who called in before who was dealing with endometriosis, and she's got a very helpful Instagram account now called Kim Versus Endo. So go check her out.
51:46 Speaker 03 That's what Patricia Rockett sends me, the like.
51:48 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah. The Endo.
51:48 Speaker 03 She's like, if you have green herbal tea at 3:00 PM, you're Endo. And I'm like, I think I need laparoscopic surgery with multiple scars, but yes, I will look into that, Sweet Pea.
51:58 Speaker 01 Yeah, that sounds terrible also.
52:00 Speaker 02 Yeah.
52:01 Speaker 01 So I'm sorry, ladies.
52:02 Speaker 02 Just have to be a woman. Well, let's get to this other question, which I think is also pulled maybe straight from your life. So our last caller today is Lee, and she says, Dear Chelsea, I'm a 36-year-old mother of two healthy daughters. I'm married. I have a great community. I had a happy middle-class childhood in the Midwest, and I still call my mom every week. All of this is to say, I have a very full and fulfilling life. My question today is whether I should open Pandora's box or live well enough alone. Growing up, I was the only child my parents shared together, but I knew I had three half-sisters and two half-brothers from my parents' previous marriages. I was raised with two half-sisters, my mom's children, but we were estranged from my dad's three children because of beliefs and restrictions within their religion, a religion my dad left when he divorced their mother. The other siblings would come up from time to time.
52:47 Speaker 02 My dad might share an occasional story or something about my appearance or personality that would spark a memory of them, but these were never relationships I actively longed for or mourned because they were relationships I never really had. I grew up with only a few memories of them. Now with daughters of my own and parents who are getting older, I find myself thinking more about family, the bond between siblings, and the connections that shape us. Some days, I wonder if I should reach out to these siblings just to see what might be. At the same time, I hesitate. I worry about opening the floodgates to decades of emotions this might stir up for them and my father. So I'm left wondering, do I reach out and potentially open Pandora's box to satisfy my curiosity or leave well enough alone and focus on the wonderful family I already have? Sincerely, Lee.
53:29 Speaker 03 I'm a perfect, I'm a perfect person. Cause I have two half siblings. My dad had two more kids when I was 18 years old. I was an only child till I was 18.
53:34 Speaker 02 They're like little.
53:35 Speaker 03 My dad met a woman on match.com and I have a 10 and 11 year old brother and sister for the first time in my life.
53:40 Speaker 01 And do you feel like their mother or their aunt or their sister?
53:43 Speaker 03 But I think what's, I have lots to say.
53:45 Speaker 01 Okay, wait, wait.
53:46 Speaker 03 Hi.
53:46 Speaker 01 Hi, Lee. Hi, how are you? Okay, well, you're in the perfect company. Okay.
53:51 Speaker 03 You came to the best place.
53:52 Speaker 01 Camila Morrone is our special guest and she has experience in this. Oh, this is great.
53:58 Speaker 02 Age gap siblings.
53:58 Speaker 03 Yes. So I was an only child till I was 18 and I was always very sad about it and wished that I had siblings and I would make up scenarios where I was fighting over pancakes with my fake siblings and my mom would have to separate us. It was like very sad only child syndrome. And I would like pretend, I would be jealous of people who got in fights with their siblings. Long story short, my dad had two more kids when I was 18, so they're my half siblings. And it has been the biggest gift of my life. Obviously you already know you're in contact with your half siblings, but I would just say, I always think and it's kind of sad about like when we are going to lose a parent, which is inevitable and going to happen to us. Like I'm so grateful now that I have these other people to have memories about my dad with and to share stories and to joke about, you know, long
54:39 Speaker 03 after, knock on wood, he's passed. And I just think it's, it's why, you know, yes, it's Pandora's box, but I think you're, it looks like you're stable enough and emotionally mature enough to handle whatever can come your way, whatever that might open. And what beautiful things may you learn about your parent through these other, other siblings.
54:55 Speaker 02 That's a beautiful way to look at it. Really beautiful.
54:58 Speaker 03 Might get some great stories and good laughs and.
55:00 Speaker 02 Yeah.
55:01 Speaker 03 Why not?
55:02 Speaker 06 Yeah, I, I would love to have a relationship with them or at least explore the possibility of that. I'm just more concerned. Obviously, I know I'm the one with the least amount of pain in the situation. I didn't lose siblings. I didn't lose a father. I just want to be sensitive to, I know that they might have a lot of emotions wrapped up around this that I don't necessarily have, and I don't want to be selfish by, you know, trying to satisfy my own just genuine curiosity if it might open a wound for them.
55:34 Speaker 03 Do you know if they have interest in communicating with you?
55:37 Speaker 06 I mean, it's been 36 years and they have not reached out yet. I know the oldest sibling had said when I was born that she did not want to have a relationship with me. Obviously, it's been a long time, so I don't know if, you know, they might be open to it now.
55:52 Speaker 01 But I think you can cover all of this in an email, like in a letter to them, and be very sensitive with exactly what you just said, to be like, listen, I know this is sensitive. I want to be sensitive to your emotions and your feelings. I know you had some misgivings about me when I was born. I don't even think you need to say that because it was 36 years ago. I mean, people-
56:11 Speaker 03 I hated my little sister the day she was born. She was zero. I hated her.
56:14 Speaker 01 Everyone does, you know? My sister hated me for a long fucking time, too. But, you know, your situation's obviously a little bit different. I think you just go at it with sensitivity and love and just say, "Listen, I'm really curious. You know, we share a lot of stuff, and I think we can make something positive out of this. But I also want to be sensitive to your feelings and your emotions and your experiences. I know it's not like mine, and if there's any avenue for us to kind of get to know each other and spend some time together, I would really love to do that." You know, and just go at it with like full heart and like open arms and see what happens. You know, you have nothing to lose.
56:51 Speaker 06 Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking. Like, I guess there's no downside. I mean, there's nothing to lose. There's only something to gain. So, you know, I hope they would be open to it as well, but I guess I wouldn't know unless I try, right?
57:04 Speaker 03 And they can respectfully decline. I didn't realize how different it was from my situation. But yeah, I mean, if you're not pressuring anyone through an email, through a Claude email-
57:11 Speaker 01 Right.
57:12 Speaker 03 And you can just say, "If you're open to it, and if you're not, I also totally understand that, and I'm excited to hear back from you either way."
57:19 Speaker 02 And you might find that some of them are interested and maybe one is not, or, you know, that sort of thing. And that's okay, too, you know? If there's someone who wants to connect, it might have an effect on the other ones in the future as well.
57:30 Speaker 03 But it sounds like you're having a ping and you're interested. So I'd be curious to see like what your intuition and why this is coming up. It'd be fun.
57:37 Speaker 06 Yeah, I feel the same way. It's been after having kids this past year, I've just really been wondering, you know, what are they like? What are their kids like? Are our kids similar? Just all these curiosity questions coming up that, you know, I would just love to explore and see if they'd be open to it.
57:55 Speaker 01 Yeah. And I think you give them the option, you know, say that too. Say that you've had children, like, I'm interested in meeting you alone. If you were open to meeting my children, that's an option. I'm what, like, just make them feel like, you know, it's at their leisure. Yeah, the ball's in their court. Like, you're open to whatever looks good to them.
58:14 Speaker 06 Yeah, I love that.
58:15 Speaker 01 Anyway, so let us know what happens. Okay?
58:18 Speaker 06 I will. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. It was the encouragement I needed.
58:21 Speaker 01 Yes, absolutely. I mean, you're lovely. So anyone would be lucky to have you as a sister. Go for it, Lee.
58:27 Speaker 06 Thank you.
58:27 Speaker 01 Okay.
58:28 Speaker 03 You got this. Good luck.
58:29 Speaker 01 Take care.
58:29 Speaker 06 Thank you. Bye.
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1:01:00 Speaker 03 I really love this.
1:01:01 Speaker 01 This is fun. Isn't it nice to give advice and talk to people, talk to real people that you don't know? I love that.
1:01:07 Speaker 03 I didn't realize like how different this was. But she was, it's like, if she's been thinking, if she's been, if it's been like really weighing on her in the past year, it's interesting always when like things come up to you. You know, it's like when you're thinking about somebody, you reach out and they're like, I was ju, I haven't spoke to you in years, but you've been on my mind. So hopefully Lee will be reconnected.
1:01:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, I hope so. That's so crazy that you got two little kids like in your life when you were 18 years old. That's so weird.
1:01:29 Speaker 03 So weird. And when my dad told me it was first a boy. And then the second one came like a year later and it was a girl. And I was so unwell when he told me he was having a girl. I was like, then that means I'm not your only little girl. And what if you love her like you love me? And it was, it was not good, but now she's my best friend.
1:01:45 Speaker 01 And does your, I know, it's so funny that kids are so jealous of like, well, you can be. Be like thinking that it's gonna take your love away because my mom explained this to me once because I was like, how can you love all of us? You know, and she goes, because your love expands like with each child, your love, your heart grows bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. And you just bring them all in. And I was like, but you have to love one of us more. And she would just tell us, I love you the most. I love you the most. And then I would tell my sister, Mom told me, she's like, she tells me that every day.
1:02:12 Speaker 03 The best thing about being an older sister is I'm like, do you know that Dad told me right before you came that no matter what, he's never gonna love you like he loves me?
1:02:19 Speaker 03 And my sister's like, yeah, you know, she's like, I have taken making it my life mission to like torture them about how much he loves me. And for 18 years, it was all about me.
1:02:28 Speaker 02 Well, he loved you for 18 years before they even existed. So there you go.
1:02:31 Speaker 01 Yeah, exactly. You got the lead.
1:02:32 Speaker 03 Even having siblings, I do feel like there, there are favorites in the moment. Like I love them both to death, but I'm like, oh, I'm really vibing with you right now. Actually, I'm having a moment with you right now. Like it is interesting. I think you have like, oh, you're really cool. And you're in a cool age, you know?
1:02:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:02:45 Speaker 03 We feel more connected to one than the other on a, on a certain day.
1:02:48 Speaker 01 Yeah. And also like, uh, men always say this to me when I ask them who their favorite kid is. Like I ask men this a lot, doctors and stuff, like whenever I'm in a doctor's office and yeah, doctors, the ones finger blasting you. And I've gotten this answer now three times from men is whoever needs me the most.
1:03:05 Speaker 03 That's interesting.
1:03:07 Speaker 01 I know. And I was like, men need to be needed.
1:03:09 Speaker 03 Right, right. I was like, right.
1:03:11 Speaker 01 But women are very, very much, they, they don't like to say that there's a favorite. Men will say, yeah, I have a favorite.
1:03:16 Speaker 03 I went with whoever's funnier that day and whoever's like down to hang out with me. I'm like, I like you today.
1:03:20 Speaker 01 Exactly, exactly.
1:03:21 Speaker 03 You're my babe right now.
1:03:22 Speaker 01 Okay, Camilla, you're awesome. I loved having you on and popping your podcast cherry.
1:03:28 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:03:28 Speaker 01 That was really fun.
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