Wine Can Make You Live Forever, My Mother Was Right! (Herodotus Bk 3, Part 1)
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Hosted by Liv Albert
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This episode explores Book Three of Herodotus's Histories, focusing on the Persian conquest of Egypt under King Cambyses. The host examines the convoluted motives behind the invasion, including a trick involving an Egyptian princess disguised as a royal heir, the tactical advice of the Greek mercenary Phanes, and various logistical accounts of crossing the desert with the help of Arab pledges. The narrative details the defeat of the Egyptian pharaoh Psemenetus, Cambyses's escalating cruelty toward the conquered people and their sacred animals, and his disastrous, aborted campaigns against Ethiopia and Carthage.
Throughout the discussion, the host highlights Herodotus's distinct blend of geopolitical strategy, fascinating cultural anecdotes—such as why Egyptian skulls are purportedly tougher than Persian ones—and dramatic royal psychology. Listeners are guided through the chaotic aftermath of Cambyses's victories, offering a detailed look at ancient Mediterranean relations, religious clashes over sacred bulls like Apis, and the colorful storytelling methods of the ancient historian.
- When the Persian king Cambyses demanded an Egyptian princess as a concubine, Pharaoh Amasis sent Nitetus, the striking daughter of the former pharaoh Aprius, disguised in fine fabrics to avoid a direct refusal. 8:07
- Arabian tribes took pledges extremely seriously, sealing agreements by having a third party cut their hands near the thumbs and anointing seven stones with their blood. 12:32
- Herodotus observed that Persian skulls cracked easily with a small pebble, whereas Egyptian skulls were exceptionally tough due to the lifelong sun exposure of their shaved heads. 15:37
- The long-lived Ethiopians mocked Persian gifts of purple robes and gold as weak fetters, noting that their own people routinely lived past one hundred and twenty years on boiled meat and milk. 28:58
Chapters
- 0:00Podcast Launch and Listener Group Trip Announcement
The host introduces the episode and announces open applications for upcoming listener group trips to Greece.
- 0:43Ad Break: Katie Couric’s Financial Empowerment Segment
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- 2:43Host’s Personal Rant and Transition to Herodotus
Host shares personal struggles, then pivots to discussing Herodotus Book Three, Part One.
- 6:05Herodotus on Egypt and the Persians
Overview of Herodotus’s accounts of Egypt, Amasis II, and the Persian invasion led by Cambyses.
- 12:23The Wine Jug Myth and Logistics of Water in Egypt
Herodotus’s explanation of how wine in earthenware jugs was transported and the importance of water access.
- 25:19Cambyses’ Campaigns and the Ethiopian Encounter
Narrative of Cambyses’ military actions, including failed invasions of Ethiopia and interactions with the Ethiopians.
- 38:00Closing Remarks, Merchandise, and Future Episodes
Host thanks listeners, promotes merchandise, and teases upcoming content.
Highlights
- 8:07
Fearing Persian retaliation but unwilling to surrender his own daughter as a concubine, Pharaoh Amasis sent Nitetus, the daughter of Aprius, dressed in royal gold as a substitute.
- 12:32
Sacred Arabian Pledgesstrategy
Arabian tribes executed formal agreements through a ritual involving hand-cuts, anointed stones, and invocations of local deities, binding the friends of both parties to uphold the peace.
- 15:37
Skull Thickness and Sun Exposureinsight
Herodotus noted that Egyptian skulls were immensely tough compared to Persian skulls, a difference local guides attributed to Egyptians shaving their heads from childhood and exposing them to the sun.
- 25:23
Defiling the Corpse of Amasisstory
Enraged by past slights, Cambyses ordered the mummy of Amasis to be whipped, stabbed, and ultimately burned, violating both Persian reverence for fire and Egyptian preservation customs.
- 28:58
The Ethiopian King's Rejectiondebate
The king of the Ethiopians dismissed Persian gifts as deceitful, challenged the invaders to string his giant bow, and attributed his people's long lifespans to clean water and a simple diet.
- 33:53
Cannibalism on the Desert Marchdata
During the disastrous march against Ethiopia, Cambyses's troops ran out of food, resorted to eating their pack animals, and eventually began casting lots to consume every tenth soldier.
- 36:17
Stabbing the Sacred Bull Apisstory
Mistaking Egyptian street celebrations for mockery of his military failures, Cambyses flew into a rage and stabbed the sacred calf Apis in the thigh, mortally wounding the revered animal.
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About this episode
Oh the wonders of Herodotus and his histories! We are back into book three of Herodotus' Histories and getting to experience the wonders of Cambyses doing his own invasions and attacks against others. How fun! In this episode there's wacky skull logic, old friend falling into destitution, travels to Carthage and Ethiopia, and also a god! Woo! (The audio is terrible, sorry... Michaela is recording at Liv's place and neither of them checked the settings appropriately before recording! Technology!) AVAILABLE NOW! The Odyssey: a Modern Retelling. https://geni.us/TheOdysseyBook Submit your question for the next Q&A via email http://mythsbaby.com/questions or a voice note https://www.speakpipe.com/LTAMB. Get ad-free episodes and so, so much more, by subscribing to the Oracle Edition at patreon.com/mythsbaby http://patreon.com/mythsbaby. Enter ourpodcast guest https://www.mythsbaby.com/contact form if you'd like to be on the show as a conversation guest! CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. I try to provide direct warnings when there is reference to anything with overtly traumatic themes but be aware that Greek mythology regularly features assault, death, and many other potentially triggering events. Sources: Herodotus' Histories, translated by Tom Holland. Attributions and licensing information for music used in the podcast can be found here:mythsbaby.com/sources-attributions http://mythsbaby.com/sources-attributions. Learn more about Liv's next group trips https://travelbugxlivalbert.my.canva.site/ to GREECE! Application deadline is November 30 (Subject to change due to demand). Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Topics
- Egypt
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