Side Stories: True Crime Trial Update - Summer 2026

Court is back in session as Henry and Ed catch up on the cases that refuse to stay quiet: the Lindsay Clancy trial and the failures surrounding postpartum psychosis, Bryan Kohberger’s attempt to withdraw his guilty plea, Keefe D finally facing the music for Tupac’s murder, and the latest on D4vd, Nick Reiner, and Luigi Mangione.

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  There's no place to escape to.

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  This is the last podcast. On the left.

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  Side Stories?

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  That's when the cannibalism started.

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  Side Stories, yes.

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  Breaking news. So we recorded this episode of Side Stories last week in an attempt to get ready for a little, we do a little summer vacation every year, but we want to keep you guys set with as many shows as possible so that you don't ever feel alone in this horrible world of ours. But unfortunately, what happens?

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  What if we want to be alone?

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  Then go fuck off. You're right. Then go fuck off someplace.

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  It's great.

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  No, no, you can't. You're not allowed. But we wanted to do a cover. Last week, we wanted to cover all of the various trials that were going on currently.

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  It's a big update episode.

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  It was. And what I love about Side Stories is no matter when we record it, the second we're done recording, everything changes. So we recorded what was just kind of the beginning ramp up to a bunch of different trials, and everything's different as of last week.

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  It was a bunch of cases that haven't changed in months.

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  Every one of them changed. So before you listen, just know here are the updates. Nick Reiner was not allowed to get his trust fund.

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  You don't get shit, you fucker.

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  That fucking idiot finally is being punished in some way because he has what's considered to be, I believe the term is slasher status.

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  Ooh.

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  I believe is the term, because we know that like they're still kind of fighting it, but right now they are saying that he does not have access to that money because he is in fact the guy that killed the people that gave him the money.

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  But he's not guilty yet.

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  Not yet, but soon.

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  I can't believe he's actually like put in a not guilty plea.

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  I mean, he's a crazy person.

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  They found him covered in blood.

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  He's completely, absolutely vacuum and an utter liability and a weight on society.

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  There is nothing going on behind those eyes, man.

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  He is a literal waste of human DNA. And he killed an extremely important artist and destroyed a family. And we know that for a fact. And he can go fuck himself.

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  Absolutely.

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  So next one is, number two is sadly Luigi Mangione has pled guilty, but it's because he's got class.

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  Shows that he's way more of a man than Nick Reiner will ever be.

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  Ever be. Luigi Mangione, he opened up, he said, yes, I knew what I did was wrong. I chose Brian Thompson randomly.

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  Yeah, he was not, um, he was not part of United Health. He wasn't a customer.

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  No, he was not Luigi Mangione. I mean, he was not, but Luigi Mangione did come out and he did reveal his reason. And the thing was, is that he had a lifetime of back pain. And he said that the straw that broke the camel's back was when he was trying to speak with somebody, trying to get some kind of answers about it. And so he framed himself as he posed as a multimillionaire slash billionaire potential investor into United Health, and they couldn't have gotten back to him faster.

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  Yes.

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  And so that's what became the motivating factor. And it seemed that Brian Thompson was just the guy he could get at.

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  Yeah, no, basically Brian Thompson walked out of the meeting first.

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  Yep. So that's why he was got it. But now Luigi Mangione will probably avoid the death penalty. He will most likely just be in jail.

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  Forever.

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  Forever. Yeah.

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  Yeah. He'll probably be in jail forever.

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  Yeah, unless we get some.

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  I bet he still gets a TV show somehow.

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  Somehow he's gonna get a Netflix podcast. And we're looking at you, Netflix. I'm putting this to you. And we're booking him.

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  Yeah. Actually, could you help?

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  That'd be actually great.

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  Netflix, could you help us book Luigi?

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  Booking at Netflix.com. Could you get Luigi Mangione to be on Side Stories? Can we visit him in prison?

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  He's the only murderer I actually want to speak to.

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  I do want to still would like to speak to David Berkowitz.

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  Oh, really?

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  But I'm not allowed to because I'm not Christian.

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  Oh, really?

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  He won't talk to anybody that does not believe in the Christ.

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  He's not Jewish?

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  Oh, no, he's a chosen, he's a new, what's it called? He.

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  Jew for Jesus?

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  Yeah, he found Jesus in prison.

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  Oh, come on, dude.

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  Yeah.

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  I, you know, I don't know.

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  You never hear somebody become an ultra Jewish in prison.

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  No, you never hear about that. That's never something that's like, I'm suddenly Jewish.

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  Well, it's kind of funny. I wonder why that is. [email protected]. Why does no one go to prison and be like, I had plenty of time to learn Hebrew. Um, I got all the books. I, there's, there's, I talked to a rabbi over Zoom.

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  I'm pretty sure it's just Muslim, Christian, and atheist.

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  Let me ask a question. So Side Stories.

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  I would just become a much deeper atheist, I imagine.

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  That's what I assume.

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  There's no Jesus in prison.

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  None.

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  No, even when people try to show them to you, and look at their body with the tattoos.

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  No, if you meet anybody named Jesus in prison.

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  Yeah.

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  They're doing bad things.

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  Yeah. And if you think their name is Jesus and her name is really Jesus, they get really mad if you try and call him Jesus.

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  They fucking freak out as a matter of fact. And I would double check on that. I would always double check, right? Or you, or you want to ask them, you a Jesus or a Jesus?

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  I'm sorry, I was talking to Berkowitz's dog.

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  Thank you. So then the final little update is that Lindsay Clancy, a bunch of evidence came out in court that basically said, number one, she Googled how to commit suicide, what to do with hallucinations. So she absolutely knew she was suffering from hallucinations. She reached out to her mother. We now know that she reached out to her mother and said that she would have thoughts of harming the children. And what I still find interesting, and my opinion still stands, is the fact that she told her family members that didn't want to face the seriousness of the problem. So they didn't want to step up to the plate as hardcore as they probably could.

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  Yeah.

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  And then Lindsay Clancy didn't tell the medical professionals that she was working with all of the details of her, of her actual symptoms, because she was afraid of getting her kids taken away or being put into some form of mental asylum.

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  Which shows that she was competent.

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  That is my opinion. That is my opinion. I think that a lot of people are going to be angry with me even just for saying that up top here. But I just want you to know, I completely believe in postpartum depression and it's, and postpartum, which is now we now known as, uh, they, it's called psychopathy, postpartum psychosis, is extremely different. I talked about it. I feel like if you listen to this episode, you will hear our very measured takes on this.

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  Yeah. Now Googling how to kill yourself, that doesn't make you not crazy.

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  No, but it shows that there might have been a plan.

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  Yeah.

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  The main key, the key of the trial is did, how much did she plan? How much was a, how cognizant was she of her plan? Because in order to say that she needs to be put into a mental asylum, we basically have to say she was so deep in her mental illness that she had no idea what was going on and she did it out of entirely out of impulse. And to me, the problem is, is that there's a lot of steps in here. She hid a lot of what she was feeling from certain people. And I still think that her husband and her mother had a lot more responsibility here to step up to the plate. But unfortunately, ladies

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  and gentlemen, it's up to you. And one of the worst parts about United States of America and what we're doing with our healthcare system right now.

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  We don't give a fuck about you.

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  It's just up to you. It's no, no professional is going to follow up with you. They cannot read your mind. And unless, yeah, I do believe it all needs to be changed, but you have to work with the system that we currently have.

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  If you don't ask enough questions at the doctor, you're not going to get your shit fixed.

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  You have to fight for yourself, unfortunately. No one's going to fight for you. That's not how it works.

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  You gotta bring a friend.

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  You have to bring someone, which is why the, now we're saying, and I see a lot of people saying the same thing, why wasn't the husband there being like, she told me she wanted to hurt the kids. I don't care if it was a, that should have been be all end all. She told me.

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  Patrick sucks.

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  Patrick's a piece of shit. Patrick's a lump. Patrick can go fuck himself. We're already way past you already.

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  We're past, yeah. We're going to get into all of that deeper now. We were going to talk about everything we're about to get into in the rest of this episode. I hope you all enjoy.

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  Please remember, it is our opinions, and we're having fun here.

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  But there's some facts in there.

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  Yeah, sure.

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  Now, here's Side Stories.

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  Fly from your grave. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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  Court is in session.

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  Dun dun.

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  Is that the Law and Order noise? Can we, can we get that?

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  Dun dun.

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  Dun dun. Give me a second, I can get it.

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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's also just the Windows 95. It's just like Law and Order.

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  Dun dun. Law and Order Special, Special School Victims Unit.

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  SPU.

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  Oh, yeah, that's it. Welcome to Side Stories. We're back in court.

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  That's right.

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  Yes, that's right. We are doling out justice. On today's update, today's update episode about the various trials going on. Ed and I are gonna be judge, jury, and executioner.

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  That's right. Executioner, please.

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  Yes, cuz we are going to, what was it, Death by Mau Mau?

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  Death by Mau Mau.

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  You remember that old street joke?

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  No, I don't know that one.

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  The idea where they get the guy that gets like the three guys go and they, I forget the whole setup. But they end up on an island with a bunch of cannibals. And they say, hey, do you want like death by, you know, we could kill you quick or you can get death by Mau Mau. And death by Mau Mau was, I believe it's getting crushed to death by, by big butts.

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  That sounds nice.

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  Welcome to Side Stories.

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  You got that joke down.

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  I know what's going on here. I'm really good at this.

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  This is what we lost when our fathers died.

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  Yes.

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  Was that joke.

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  Another thing gone. Another, I can't ask him how to complete that racist street joke and God, I wish I could. I know he is in heaven.

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  All my, all my Moishe Diane references are running, running soft.

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  Running slow. But here, welcome to Side Stories. I'm sitting with the illustrious Ed Larson.

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  My breasts are big.

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  He, they are. But you are not as big as you were.

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  I, we have, we have photo proof of that given to us recently.

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  When I saw that picture and I realized how big of a chunk you were, but now you're looking great.

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  I'm looking fine. I put weight back on.

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  Nah, you look good. I like it like this.

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  I, I need, I need, I could lose 10.

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  Yeah, we all could.

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  I would love 10 off.

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  Yeah, I wish I could chop off your feet too, but we can't, alright?

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  My feet weigh way more than 10 pounds.

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  Who knows? We'll find out when we get to it. But I'm sitting here, Andrew Zebrowski, I got all my parts. And I think if you just cut little parts off of me, it wouldn't even make that much of a difference because I'm all tits.

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  They'll just grow back.

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  I'm all tits.

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  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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  And speaking of all tits, today's episode is, we've decided, because there's so many different concurrent trials and not yet done trials and trials that never were.

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  Maybe trials that might happen.

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  Who knows? They were all happening, they were all updates connected to stories that we have been covering here at Side Stories. And some of them really haven't.

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  Yeah.

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  So we wanted to give both a trial update and also a trial presentation because one of my favorite things in the world to do.

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  You love watching court footage.

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  I can't believe how much attention span I have when it comes to court.

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  That's weird.

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  I can sit and watch whole days at court.

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  Yet I've never known you to go on jury duty.

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  Why would I ever? I lie. I lie. I say stuff. I'll be like, I kill bitches for fun. That's like the first thing I say. Let me kill a bitch. Let me kill a bitch. Just to like, but I don't mean it, guys.

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  Yeah.

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  I don't mean it, guys.

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  No, he's just trying to get out of his civic duty.

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  Yeah, and I hate my civic duty. I hate civics.

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  Yeah.

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  You know, that's one of my main pet peeves.

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  Yeah, Honda Civic?

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  Oh, no, honestly, they're great for running past security barriers into national buildings.

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  Yeah.

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  They're really, thank you. It's a satire. Had some trial satire, but.

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  Satires.

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  Well, if they do run over several congressmen, those are satires they use.

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  Yes, but they get, yeah.

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  Do you see someone's living at Mitch McConnell, different senators living at Mitch McConnell's house?

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  Oh, what? Is it, I don't even wanna, I can't even, let's just not even, don't derail me immediately.

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  Someone came, went to his house to try to get footage of Mitch McConnell and a different senator showed up. He's like, I live here.

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  Yeah, sorry, yeah, no, I, what do you mean? Who's Mitch McConnell?

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  Mitch McConnell rents out his guest house to another senator. Mitch McConnell is sand in a jar right now. Alright, let's just get, let's get some trials. I can't do this. Alright, so number one. The number one trial on my mind, cuz I'm watching this all day long. I watched the entire, I watched the husband's entire testimony and cross examination. I watched the therapist, I watched the nurse practitioner, I watched all of these various things. I am, I'm in it. I'm a juror. I'm ready to make a decision.

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  Yeah.

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  Lindsay Clancy. So the Lindsay Clancy trial has currently been going on for two weeks. Now, I know I'mma get some people angry.

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  Alright.

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  Just talking about the subject of this trial.

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  I just learned about her today. I've kept her out of my brain cuz we haven't talked about her on the show and I knew it was a big undertaking. So let me say what I think I know and then maybe you could correct me.

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  Love it.

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  Yes, alright, so she is a woman who says she suffer from postpartum, killed three of her children by strangling them with exercise bands and then slit her wrists and jumped out a window and now she's paralyzed.

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  Ding ding ding ding ding. Idiot. Surprise. Alright, okay. It's a juicy story. It is an extremely juicy story.

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  It's a juicy story.

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  Yeah, so this.

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  I was hoping we were gonna talk about Clancy Brown.

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  No, no, no. He hasn't killed his children yet.

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  Yet.

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  But hey, please, think about us, Clancy Brown, alright, if you would?

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  Alright, so this story is, uh, it's extremely complicated. So yes, Lindsay Clancy murdered her three children with exercise bans. She then attempted suicide by slitting her wrists and her throat and jumping out of a second story building. This all happened in January of 2023. And this trial though, is not about her guilt. So we already know, and she has already admitted that it is true.

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  Yeah.

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  She killed the kids. She tried to commit suicide. She's now paralyzed from the chest down.

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  There's no way to like really know. Yeah, she has, one kid was five, another one's three, another one was eight months old.

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  Yeah, absolutely. And, uh, you know, they, and even just them fighting together was hard to get her away. You know what I mean?

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  Yeah.

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  No, three ninjas can't work.

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  Yeah, and you know, the, the, the baby wasn't a good head to the trench coat.

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  Thank you, Eddie. So this is, then they said we'd have a hard time finding humor in this story. So this guy, so this all came up, this story though is about how culpable was she? So right now, her husband, uh, former husband, Patrick Clancy, he is in the middle of suing the hospital, the psychiatrist, Jennifer Tufts, everybody else is kind of involved around this.

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  He's not suing his ex-wife?

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  No, because he's forgiven his ex-wife. He is coming out and saying, I believe that, that her essentially mental illness, her postpartum depression was so extreme that it could explain what she did. And it goes on. And now they're, they are searching for concept, they're searching for compensation. There's a civil trial that is happening. I believe it's gonna happen right after this, in which the husband is coming right after the entire establishment. And they're trying to figure out is, was she too mentally ill to know that what she was doing was right or wrong? And was she so in the throes of postpartum depression that she, and did the state fail her? Did the medical community fail her? Did her doctors fail her? Did her hospital fail her?

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  But lots of people get postpartum depression.

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  We, postpartum depression.

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  If you and I know what it is, then lots of people get it.

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  They, they do get it, and there's many levels of postpartum depression. What makes this really difficult trial is because like, one of the big contentious parts of this is there was some planning involved. There was, uh, she sent Patrick Clancy to a fast food restaurant far away, right? In the, and the, and the night that they murdered.

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  She could've sent him to a slow food restaurant close.

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  Oh my God, if he had sent him down to fucking like, oh, old, cause they're great places, like Slowies.

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  Yeah, yeah, Slow.

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  Have you ever been to Mount Sludges? Food that takes nine hours? I love Mount Sludges. But she sent him away, there's a little bit of talk of that, in that, that time period, right? This, because it reached a fever pitch in her mind. And that, did she send him far away to make an opportunity? Or did she take the opportunity to kill them when he was so far away? There's a lot of conjecture and talking about, was she given the right and wrong drugs? Did she take the right drugs? Was she overmedicated? Was she undermedicated? Where were the doctors? Why? How did this happen?

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  I just Googled, 15% of women apparently get postpartum depression.

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  Yes, but there is a distinct difference, which I think a part of what this trial is about, between postpartum depression and postpartum psychosis. They are two separate things, but also can happen at the same time.

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  Okay.

• 23:32Speaker 00

  So postpartum depression is, is honest, it is, it is more common than we think. And it can, can create tremendous changes in behavior immediately after birth. Same thing, and it can happen after the second baby, it can happen after any, you know, I mean, like, it doesn't have to just happen with one. But often if it happens once, it's gonna happen again.

• 23:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:51Speaker 00

  We know that Lindsay Clancy had issues with the first baby. She did have symptoms of postpartum depression.

• 23:57Speaker 03

  Just wouldn't latch?

• 23:58Speaker 00

  It just, it, what do you mean, the mother wouldn't?

• 24:00Speaker 03

  Yeah. No, the baby wouldn't latch.

• 24:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, but that's, that's very simple. Let's not get into the, the breast weeds.

• 24:06Speaker 03

  Alright.

• 24:07Speaker 00

  I know we all wanna talk about who's latching and who's not. Alright, I wish we could. I wish this whole talk could be about latching.

• 24:17Speaker 03

  A latchkey child, is that what that is?

• 24:19Speaker 00

  That's just one that sucks on pieces of metal. That's one that is obviously it's soon to be Tetsuo, the Iron Man. If anybody's seen that film, it is extremely upset. So they are, uh, the prosecution is really interesting, cause the, the prosecution is saying, they're bringing all these, uh, these witnesses in to actually vouch for her character, saying that Lindsay Clancy was an extremely attentive mom. She was a marathon runner, she was a nurse, she was, she had all of this shit going on, to basically say, look.

• 24:48Speaker 03

  So the prosecution's like, she's really nice.

• 24:50Speaker 00

  Well, the, yes, so that they could say, she either hid her system, symptoms knowingly, or did not, like, like she had a plan, like, yes, she was sick, but she wasn't so sick that she wouldn't know that there's a problem she needs to hide, and then she made a plan to kill the children.

• 25:10Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 25:10Speaker 00

  Right, so that's like one side of it. So they're, like, look, she was this happy, healthy person who had no other main, quote unquote, main issues. And this is the issue, but the, so now the defense attorney, a guy by the name of Kevin Reddington, his job is to basically be like, no, she's a crazy psychotic bitch, and nobody did anything about it. Like, the idea is to put it all back on the state. Which is why they have been going hard at all the, her staff, like all the, like the psychiatrist, the nurse practitioner, and just the hospital itself.

• 25:42Speaker 03

  Okay, but isn't insanity like the hardest thing to plead?

• 25:45Speaker 00

  It's extremely difficult, but this was different because we have a series of notes, cause she did go to therapy. Um, I feel like, this, this is.

• 25:53Speaker 03

  I go to therapy. You go to therapy. I, I, I just, I don't feel any sympathy for her.

• 25:58Speaker 00

  Well, this is, it is interesting, because this is where you, your, Ed's gonna get in trouble. And because what's nice is that mom talk is hardcore, trying to support Lindsay Clancy and say, postpartum depression is real, and it's far worse than anybody wants to talk about.

• 26:16Speaker 03

  I know it's bad, and I know it's real, but so many people go through it, they don't fucking kill three kids.

• 26:22Speaker 00

  You see, this is a, it is interesting, because I was watching Louis Theroux spent time at a post, a postpartum depression clinic. Right? And one of the things, so one of the things that keeps coming up in this trial, according to Dr. Jennifer Tufts, her psychiatrist, who looks like she's 14 years old, right? So this, like, I feel like one of the major issues is that Jennifer Tufts looks like a child. She was, Lindsay Clancy was one of her first jobs.

• 26:50Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 26:50Speaker 00

  Coming out of psychiatrist school, right?

• 26:52Speaker 03

  That's not a good first one.

• 26:53Speaker 00

  It is a hard for, I like, that's a part, I actually have a lot of empathy for the psychiatrist, because I do feel like a lot was placed at this, at an inexperienced person's feet.

• 27:02Speaker 03

  Why would they not give it to a more experienced person?

• 27:05Speaker 00

  Because this is the United States government, Eddie. This is the hospitals. There is a massive problem, like, the, the, the defense is not incorrect.

• 27:13Speaker 03

  Mental health in this country is a fucking abysmal.

• 27:15Speaker 00

  Massive fucking problem.

• 27:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:18Speaker 00

  Because the stuff that's coming up, it's just, let me, let me kind of try to parse it.

• 27:21Speaker 03

  I'm sorry, I got so many questions.

• 27:22Speaker 00

  No, please. So Lindsay Clancy understood that there was an issue, was afraid about going back to work. That was like, kind of a built up paranoid, she was having paranoid, uh, thoughts. She was believing that the kids weren't going to properly learn how to live on a bottle, right? That when she'd go to work, that they'd like starve to death. And that she started having really crazy, impulsive thoughts. You're just, this is all just stuff that is, she was sick. She was very mentally ill. She was extremely mentally ill. But this is the issue. So she goes to Jennifer Tufts, her brand new psychiatrist, her husband, who is largely the most checked out human being, if he could've sent a hologram to court, he would have, right?

• 28:05Speaker 00

  He's so fucking checked out, that his, the way he's talking about her concerns, leading to all of this stuff, is she's saying stuff like, I think I might've had like some, I might have some impulsive, like, you know, intrusive thoughts about hurting the kids. And he just kind of thought, which he's taught in all of these various things, is that you just have to ask her, do you have a plan to kill yourself or the kids? And does that distress you? And every time he asked those questions, she said, no. And he said, I guess we're good then.

• 28:33Speaker 03

  You gotta ask that more than once. You don't leave anyone alone with the children.

• 28:37Speaker 00

  I watched all of the footage.

• 28:39Speaker 03

  She goes out for the fast food, you stay home.

• 28:41Speaker 00

  Well, this is the problem, she, by this point, she was fucking cuckoo for Cocoa Buds, right?

• 28:45Speaker 03

  If she is completely insane, then he should be held accountable.

• 28:48Speaker 00

  Well, this is, there's a lot of people talking about this. So lots of people failed her, not just the hospital. She goes to the hospital. So now she is kind of like, okay, I'm having an issue. She was given Prozac while she was in nursing school once. She knows about psychiatric medication, and she's tried it, even though she's extremely like hesitant to do so. She goes to talk to this brand new psychiatrist, who's just getting her with all the boilerplate stuff, asking all these questions. And Keith Reddington is hammering this psychiatrist, saying, well, why didn't you flesh all this stuff out? But psychiatrist only has a certain amount of tools that they could do. They have to ask you, do you have suicidal thoughts? Do you have homicidal thoughts?

• 29:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:29Speaker 00

  Right? And then you, it's on you to say yes or no. And so every time Lindsay Clancy would show up, and so they talk about how there's a mood, which is what the psychiatrist talked about, which is what she tells you. So she asked Lindsay Clancy, how are you doing? And she says, fine. But then there's a thing called affect, which is the psychiatrist is looking at you, and is.

• 29:51Speaker 03

  Being a judgy prick.

• 29:52Speaker 00

  Yes, but for reasons, right? They're looking at you and seeing, what's your, what are you like, though? How are you dressed? How are you talking? What's your energy like? What's all this kind of stuff? And so she began to notice more and more that her affect was all over the place, but she kept saying that she was fine. She kept saying she didn't fucking wanna kill anybody. She didn't wanna kill the kids.

• 30:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, meanwhile, her lipstick's on her nose and shit.

• 30:12Speaker 00

  Yes. And so they go and they keep putting her, they, they try very conservative medications on her. They give her a little bit of Zoloft, a little bit of this, and in the beginning, she talks, and I feel like a lot of what the defense is kind of working on is the jury not understanding how some of these medications work. Because the big issue here is like, oh, she was on all these medications, but she was on a lot of medications that it takes weeks and months to work, and she would kind of dibble dabble with each one.

• 30:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, and so none of them ever caught hold.

• 30:43Speaker 00

  None of them worked. And then she also would go to various other places, like she went from, she was talking to the psychiatrist, but then she kind of stopped talking to the psychiatrist to go talk to another prenatal care center who gave her another series of pills. She started taking that stuff, came back to the psychiatrist, and you're looking at an extremely inexperienced psychiatrist that doesn't know what to do, and she keeps saying. The problem is because they're all like, because the defense attorney's hitting her, "Why didn't you follow up? Why didn't you do this?" And she's like, "Because that's not what we do." You know what I mean? That's not what we do. We don't-

• 31:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, they wait till next week.

• 31:15Speaker 00

  Yes, well, it's also, how many times have we just talked about this with just our general healthcare? Like, you have to go and get the appointments. You have to do the follow-up testing. It was sadly, the whole thing was pushed to Lindsay Clancy's lap-

• 31:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:30Speaker 00

  -to say, "Well, Lindsay Clancy should have been the one to be more-

• 31:34Speaker 03

  Or her husband.

• 31:35Speaker 00

  Yes, more open about her symptoms, more, uh, more searching for answers in terms of like, calling out. And there's a lot of people saying, "Oh, she tried, she tried, she tried." This is really the crux of the entire case, which is, "What do you believe?" Like, my, my problem is that I know that healthcare is fucked.

• 31:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:57Speaker 00

  Especially when it comes to mental health. There's nowhere for these people to go.

• 32:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, I agree.

• 32:02Speaker 00

  But the issue too is, is that even though that is in the case, that is the case. So this is the system in current, when currently we are in.

• 32:12Speaker 03

  She can't be let out.

• 32:14Speaker 00

  Well, no, she's not going anywhere. It's really about, is she gonna go to a mental hospital for the rest of her life? Or is she gonna go to jail?

• 32:19Speaker 03

  Oh, well, you know, who cares?

• 32:20Speaker 00

  But I, I'm, I, it's not, either, none of's good. Neither one is good.

• 32:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:24Speaker 00

  But this isn't-

• 32:25Speaker 03

  As long as she ain't out and about, I guess she's crippled now, so she can't really do anything.

• 32:29Speaker 00

  No, no, no, you have to get, you have to get close for her to bite ya.

• 32:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 32:33Speaker 00

  You know, but this is, I really think that it, all of this being said, when I had watched that Louis, Louis Theroux postpartum depression thing, I thought it was interesting, but there was one young lady he was following, who was like, really pleasant, and she was just like the sweetest, loveliest lady, and she had like supervised visits with her baby inside of this postpartum depression place. And they were like, he's like, "I don't really understand what your problem is." And she's like, "Well, I just keep trying to kill myself, and I can't, um, like, control when I kill myself, when I want to." And he's just like, "That's crazy, because I'm talking to you and she's fine." She's like, "Yeah, it's, uh, it's like a thing. I don't, you know, I literally don't understand."

• 33:14Speaker 03

  Just because I'm nice, doesn't mean I'm not trying to kill myself.

• 33:17Speaker 00

  Well, I'm just filled with despair. And so then what happens is like, in the very documentary, you're talking to this woman, and I felt the same way. I was like, "Oh, she seems fine." And then in the documentary, she breaks out that day and attempts suicide.

• 33:34Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 33:35Speaker 00

  So it's this thing where you're seeing, I can see how there was no obvious symptoms. That the person is changing the way they appear to the health, to all of the health professionals.

• 33:48Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 33:49Speaker 00

  Because it's really hard to say, "I wanna kill my, or I'm thinking about killing my kids." Because guess what they do? Take the kids away.

• 33:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:59Speaker 00

  And guess what Patrick Clancy was also probably urging her to do?

• 34:02Speaker 03

  Keep that down low?

• 34:03Speaker 00

  Yep. And not saying, "Hey," because Patrick Clancy, what'd he do? Immediately divorced her after the thing, got remarried with a whole new family.

• 34:12Speaker 03

  He got two kids.

• 34:12Speaker 00

  He get, Patrick Clancy's get, living on-

• 34:14Speaker 03

  Well, he's a stepfather.

• 34:15Speaker 00

  Pa- Patrick Clancy's never wanted to have a single bad thing happen to him in his life.

• 34:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:22Speaker 00

  And he was never given the lesson that that's kinda what life includes.

• 34:27Speaker 03

  He seems like the most irresponsible person in this story to me.

• 34:30Speaker 00

  I hate Patrick Clancy.

• 34:33Speaker 00

  After watching his, after watching his testimony, I fucking, I do feel like the person who failed her the most is him. That is my-

• 34:41Speaker 03

  That's his job, is to take care of his fucking wife and his kids.

• 34:43Speaker 00

  But also, it, it, also, main issue here is-

• 34:47Speaker 03

  How did someone fall in love with this fucking guy?

• 34:49Speaker 00

  It's just because everybody just, some girls just want cum.

• 34:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:52Speaker 00

  Some girls just wanna get that cum and have the cum secured, and the baby's inside ya.

• 34:58Speaker 03

  Do we know what he does for a living?

• 34:59Speaker 00

  He's in tech sales. He's in tech sales. So some people just want that fucking, that guy that'll come hard enough to get it inside ya. And they don't care. They don't really care. Lindsay, these are not like passionate people, I guess. But Lindsay Clancy was a vaguely, was truly a loving mother and a high functioning member of society. And she went down a hole of extreme mental illness, and it really is hard, because no one's psychic.

• 35:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think that no matter what the case is, she's crazy.

• 35:33Speaker 00

  Well, yes.

• 35:33Speaker 03

  She killed three kids. That doesn't make you not crazy.

• 35:37Speaker 00

  But should the health, the mental health community, should it be on them?

• 35:42Speaker 03

  To take care of her?

• 35:44Speaker 00

  That's the question. The question is, is, is a psychiatrist supposed to see through stuff and then break the rules of modern mental health side that we have in the United States of America that sucks? But they would have to break the rules and go way out of their way, especially if they are a, sadly, not a private practice psychiatrist like this, like she was?

• 36:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:06Speaker 00

  You're legitimately got how many clients?

• 36:09Speaker 03

  I hate to be this, this insensitive, but if one of your clients kills three children, I don't think you should be a psychiatrist anymore.

• 36:20Speaker 00

  Well, that's what they're trying to do to her.

• 36:21Speaker 03

  Well, get a new job. I don't know what to tell ya. I don't think you're gonna be good anymore.

• 36:25Speaker 00

  See, the, my problem is, is that I really do, I do have-

• 36:28Speaker 03

  I feel bad for her. Don't get me wrong.

• 36:30Speaker 00

  I have empathy for every single human being in this process, because they were all trying to quote-unquote, "do their jobs." But it is, they are hamstrung by the industries themselves.

• 36:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:42Speaker 00

  But they're also, uh, it, it, it's hard, like, how do you, like, are you legally culpable for giving a hundred and fifteen percent? I don't know. If it's just a private industry where nobody gives a fucking shit, and there's no, uh, nobody cares about bedside manner, if there's, they don't care about keeping people coming to the hospital, they just don't care, right? Like, I have, I just quit my doctor. I had to get a brand-new doctor, because how much I hated my fucking doctor, and I'm a completely fine guy that's like, lives, you know, like, just whatever. I don't have necessarily any major health concerns, and I still couldn't reach my fucking doctor, and I was sick about them not giving a fucking shit about my existence.

• 37:24Speaker 00

  So I totally get it. It's just like, is this the moment that's gonna change the entire mental health industry? I doubt it.

• 37:32Speaker 03

  No, not at all. We couldn't even change it with mass shootings.

• 37:34Speaker 00

  Yes, so I don't think that, I think that postpartum depression and postpartum psychosis are both things that are extremely misunderstood.

• 37:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, because we don't fucking take the time to examine women or care about their health concerns.

• 37:47Speaker 00

  Because this is, and this is the major, that's the societal issue here.

• 37:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:51Speaker 00

  So I do understand the people that are like, "No, Lindsay Clancy was sick, and she needed to have been taken care of." I do understand that, but my main issue is that it'd be different if she just, um, and I'm, this is super cruel, this is my fucking opinion, if she had just killed herself. It'd be very different to me, and I feel-

• 38:08Speaker 03

  Or if she was like, or, you know what? I, we've talked about it before, and it's half a joke, but I mean it. Leave.

• 38:14Speaker 00

  Well, Lindsay Clancy was extremely mentally ill.

• 38:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:17Speaker 00

  She was very sick.

• 38:19Speaker 03

  Go move to fucking San Francisco.

• 38:21Speaker 00

  But if you're so sick that you can't see the edges of your sickness, or can't understand, like, that's my only, again, my, my issue would be as a juror, is like, she knew well enough to lie.

• 38:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:34Speaker 00

  She knew well enough to tell everybody that she was having these symptoms, but she didn't know what to do.

• 38:39Speaker 03

  Here's the problem. If she gets away with this, not to get it, no one's getting away.

• 38:42Speaker 00

  No.

• 38:42Speaker 03

  If she goes to, to a mental hospital instead of prison, which I could be convinced that she belongs in a mental hospital, not prison.

• 38:49Speaker 00

  Also, I think it's, uh, I don't think it is a-

• 38:52Speaker 03

  It's a very dangerous precedent.

• 38:54Speaker 00

  But you see, I, it depends, because it really depends, because if it can lead towards understanding postpartum depression and postpartum psychosis more, that would be super important, because-

• 39:05Speaker 03

  I guess this is an extreme situation.

• 39:08Speaker 00

  Like, think about that. Like, think about the fact that-

• 39:10Speaker 03

  What about Casey Anthony?

• 39:11Speaker 00

  Well, Casey Anthony, Casey Anthony covered up her crime. Casey Anthony had no, she had no, his, Kaylee was six?

• 39:21Speaker 03

  One of her kids was five.

• 39:23Speaker 00

  But he was the newest baby.

• 39:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:25Speaker 00

  Is what turned, the, the postpartum depression happened hardcore on the third baby. And she already had a history of dealing with the last, the second baby. So the third baby really was the thing that like, started it all off.

• 39:38Speaker 03

  You really wanna change shit? You put her in a mental hospital and you lock up the husband?

• 39:42Speaker 00

  I mean, the-

• 39:42Speaker 03

  That's how you change shit.

• 39:43Speaker 00

  Well, I think now, it's, it's interesting.

• 39:45Speaker 03

  They're starting to lock up parents who get their kids' guns and they go shoot up places.

• 39:49Speaker 00

  I-

• 39:50Speaker 03

  You know, like, he should have been in there. It's his job as the fucking husband.

• 39:54Speaker 00

  It just, it's just fascinating. She was seen by so many people, and there were so many people saying that no one could recognize her psychosis symptoms. And it's just, I guess my, side stories, L P O T L at gmail dot com, my opinion is, how the fuck are we supposed to know if you're feeling and thinking these things, if you're not articulating it?

• 40:15Speaker 03

  If she, but she had to articulate it to him.

• 40:18Speaker 00

  She, well, she said-

• 40:19Speaker 03

  Her mom, somebody.

• 40:20Speaker 00

  Every single thing she said was downplaying it, because she did not wanna blow everything up. Because, and I'll actually put even more on Patrick Clancy, it's because old boy couldn't handle anything.

• 40:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:35Speaker 00

  And so he just wanted it to be over. He wanted it to be over. He wanted her to just either shut up about it, or kill herself, so that the situation would be over, and then he could have his precious trophy children. Because it's the only thing that matters to these men, is the children as property, as lineage. That's all they give a shit about. So in my mind, he was just happy to get some brand-new kids and a new quote-unquote, "problem for your wife," so that he's never had to deal with it again, and now maybe he can get some money from the, the psychi- he can get some money from the, uh, hospital as well.

• 41:08Speaker 03

  Him suing everybody is fucking fucked up.

• 41:11Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, I think so.

• 41:12Speaker 03

  It is real, it really is.

• 41:13Speaker 00

  I think that the, this is kind of why I'm, I'm a little, I, I am a little bit harder to jump on the Lindsay Clancy boat, because I think that the money grab at the hospital and the psychiatrist is, is a bit much. I do see them maybe, uh, taking the license away from the psychi- the psychiatrist, though.

• 41:33Speaker 03

  I think that-

• 41:34Speaker 00

  I could see that could happen.

• 41:35Speaker 03

  I don't see why not.

• 41:36Speaker 00

  I feel bad for her, because I feel like she-

• 41:38Speaker 03

  I feel bad for her, but she's gotta be emotionally destroyed after one of her patients killed three children.

• 41:43Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, she's all fucked up, but that doesn't mean technically, she, she has the, the profession and the connections to maybe help herself get over it, but also I'd say she just might not want this. If this is your first case out to get-

• 41:58Speaker 03

  I'll tell you what, if that's my psychiatrist and I hear about her being this person, it's like, I'm out.

• 42:03Speaker 00

  Oh yeah, I'm out. Me too. No, I'm telling you, but I will, I just feel like the way that the defense is coming at the subject, I really don't like it. I don't like.

• 42:14Speaker 03

  Well, they want her to get the death penalty.

• 42:15Speaker 00

  Well, no, the, no, the defense wants.

• 42:18Speaker 03

  Where did this happen?

• 42:19Speaker 00

  This happened in Massachusetts. Uh, but I just, there's a part of me that like, the way the defense is coming down hard on psychiatry is also a thing I don't really like. He's like making fun of telehealth and port, like appointments. He's like saying all this stuff is like, there's like a little thing there, which is like, no, some people, that's how they can see anybody is a telehealth appointment. It's like, that's like the bare minimum. That's how Lindsay Clancy was even seeing anybody.

• 42:45Speaker 03

  That's how I see my therapist.

• 42:46Speaker 00

  But I just, I mean, like in terms of like, we can't just say, oh, it's because of the, like, that's not the issue. The issue literally is.

• 42:53Speaker 03

  Calls aren't the issue.

• 42:55Speaker 00

  It is women's health.

• 42:56Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 42:57Speaker 00

  It is capital W, capital H, women's health is the massive, massive systemic issue on top of this whole fucking thing.

• 43:06Speaker 03

  For all of time.

• 43:06Speaker 00

  Yeah. And it doesn't really matter because we got a fucking, the fucking leather purse in charge of this, who's the secretary of health who fucking shakes like a chihuahua and it's perfect seamless dookies.

• 43:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:17Speaker 00

  And he couldn't give a fuck. Because he honestly, I think RFK'd kill every woman he could.

• 43:23Speaker 03

  The, the other thing that's interesting is I, I heard that they're trying to like, say that her suicide attempt wasn't legitimate.

• 43:30Speaker 00

  That's a whole, that's to me, the meanest angle that the prosecution is taking. And I don't think that that's necessarily true. Because what they were trying to show was that she was a nurse. And if they're calling the slices on her arms.

• 43:41Speaker 03

  A nurse.

• 43:41Speaker 00

  Yeah. So they were saying the cuts on her arms and her neck were too superficial to have been serious. But I also feel like that's, that's like a whole. I feel like that's when we're getting into, if I was a juror, I'd be like, let's not concentrate on this.

• 43:54Speaker 03

  I think that any person that kills their three children is crazy.

• 44:00Speaker 00

  Unless of course, those children are possessed by demons.

• 44:04Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 44:04Speaker 00

  And they have to be killed.

• 44:06Speaker 03

  And even if this woman, Lindsay Clancy, is possessed by demons, which aren't real. I think that she should still be locked away forever.

• 44:15Speaker 00

  What if your children defect to the Chinese?

• 44:19Speaker 03

  Then give them.

• 44:19Speaker 00

  Is that war?

• 44:20Speaker 03

  Let them have them.

• 44:21Speaker 00

  No, that's war.

• 44:22Speaker 03

  No, they can have, the Chinese can take the kids.

• 44:24Speaker 00

  Do you think you want, you just give them up to the Chinese? You wouldn't let them not have them?

• 44:27Speaker 03

  I, you know, someone in my family adopted two Chinese girls.

• 44:31Speaker 00

  I love that.

• 44:32Speaker 03

  And I love them.

• 44:32Speaker 00

  But they didn't defect.

• 44:34Speaker 03

  No, we, we, you know.

• 44:35Speaker 00

  If your, if your adult children defected to North Korea, you wouldn't want to fight them?

• 44:40Speaker 03

  Nah.

• 44:40Speaker 00

  If I had an 18 year old son and they found out he was going to go join the North Korean army, I'd be like, you gotta get through me first, son.

• 44:46Speaker 03

  Really?

• 44:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, son, we gotta fight right here. And I wrap myself in an American flag. I'd be like, you're, oh, son, you want to go to fight for North Korea? You gotta fight your fucking father first.

• 44:55Speaker 03

  He's 18.

• 44:56Speaker 00

  I know, but he's still, I mean, he's on, I put him on this earth, I take you out.

• 44:59Speaker 03

  Oh, one of those.

• 45:01Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 45:02Speaker 03

  Well, that's what Clancy did.

• 45:03Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 45:05Speaker 03

  That's unfortunate.

• 45:06Speaker 00

  Clancy's the bad guy here.

• 45:07Speaker 03

  I mean, you know.

• 45:08Speaker 00

  I think that's my opinion.

• 45:09Speaker 03

  Honestly, I think that childbirth is the enemy.

• 45:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, I've, no one should be.

• 45:12Speaker 03

  It's like my main issue is that, and what I love is about two childish, childless men on this, is that the best part is not having kids. That's to me, the bit, my favorite part of this story is that I don't have kids.

• 45:25Speaker 00

  Every story we're telling here, I think is like, yeah, maybe don't have kids.

• 45:33Speaker 00

  Except maybe like.

• 45:35Speaker 03

  Why? Cause it'll turn into Brian Koberger?

• 45:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:37Speaker 03

  Alright, so Brian Koberger, we'll talk about this. Let's get into this slightly. We've never talked about Brian Koberger.

• 45:43Speaker 00

  It's, it was like too big of a story and it was too confusing. And now it's just like aggravating.

• 45:49Speaker 03

  For a long time, the, please, again, so for Lindsay Clancy, side stories, L P O T L at gmail.com. I'd love to hear your opinions on this. Know that we're just in it. I'm just here like listening. I'm open. I'm open because I'll send her to a mental asylum any day. I'd love to.

• 46:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

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• 51:23Speaker 03

  From your grave.

• 51:25Speaker 00

  So this is Brian. So Brian Koberger is the next story, right? So this, we never cover this because number one, Brian Koberger is a uh, thin faced, pale, fuck ass piece of shit that as far as I'm concerned is uh, doesn't exist. He's a ghost and I can't, and he's gonna go away into a concrete square and we're never gonna hear from this waste of space ever again.

• 51:51Speaker 03

  He definitely looks like Patrick Bateman style, like psychopath.

• 51:54Speaker 00

  He is a guy, anybody that looks up to Ten Bundy is a fucking moron, right?

• 52:01Speaker 03

  And he's chilling with um, oh, our boy, um, uh, Vallow, Mr. Vallow.

• 52:06Speaker 00

  Oh, Chad, him Chad Daybell. So what happens, Brian Koberger on the, on November 13th, 2022, he murdered four people in Moscow, Moscow, Idaho. Um, which was if you're four young ladies, uh,

• 52:20Speaker 03

  Three young ladies.

• 52:21Speaker 00

  Was it?

• 52:21Speaker 03

  And one, and one dude.

• 52:22Speaker 00

  Oh, was dude? Alright, so these guys were, it's, it's a very fucked up story. Four victims, Madison Mogan, Kaylee Goncalves, Zana Kernodle and her boyfriend Ethan Chapin. Uh, he seemed to have been stalking the house, ready to go. He had a whole, like he was dressed all in black. He had a specific knife for it and he broke into the house in the night. He killed the two upstairs people. Uh, one of the kids downstairs heard it all. They thought it was like them and their boyfriend and tussling with the dog and all this kind of shit. All this kind of confusion. We don't know. We then he left in the middle of the night. They woke up the next morning because they had been partying all night. They woke up, just assumed everybody was just in their rooms and they weren't found till like the middle of the morning.

• 53:06Speaker 00

  And it was this horrific scene. Now Brian Koberger did plead guilty. So he went through, there was three years of prep, which is why we've never talked about this because the, the details were largely wrapped up. There's a new Netflix documentary that I didn't finish.

• 53:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, I haven't watched it either.

• 53:25Speaker 00

  I will, I have to finish it, but the Brian Koberger story to me is kind of up and down. The reason why we're even talking about it is that he's trying to rescind his guilty plea. Now, one thing that Brian Koberger did during all of his time period was really act like a top fucking great chode, right? He's a little Dennis Rader, BTK, in love with himself, thinks that he's the most evil man in the world and wants attention. And I think what happened was that he realized that when he got rid of the trial, because the trial was very much gonna get him. There's a bunch of evidence that has still never come out. We know that they, they, there was a specific sheath to a knife.

• 54:05Speaker 03

  They never found the knife, right?

• 54:07Speaker 00

  They never found the knife, but they found the sheath that he used. So we know that that was all connected to him. It connected the car to him. There was, but apparently there was-

• 54:15Speaker 03

  The car was slightly off too, right?

• 54:17Speaker 00

  There's something like that.

• 54:18Speaker 03

  There was like, cause it was a white Hyundai, but it was like a different year.

• 54:21Speaker 00

  Yes. The problem with Brian Koberger is that he was getting a doctorate in criminology. So he really was.

• 54:28Speaker 03

  He would know how to get away with it.

• 54:29Speaker 00

  He was trying to get, he was doing his best to get away with it and he really had planned for quite a bit. And so as the trial was gonna kick off, they were like, you know, he's just such a piece. At first they were trying to say that he was too autistic to go to trial.

• 54:44Speaker 03

  Uh, no.

• 54:46Speaker 00

  They said he was too autistic, but then they were like, he's fine.

• 54:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, no, no.

• 54:49Speaker 00

  He's fine.

• 54:50Speaker 03

  This is the same thing as last time. There's plenty of autistic people in the world.

• 54:54Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah, only a quarter of them murder.

• 54:56Speaker 03

  Like a fourth of the people who work at this network.

• 55:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, like I think a lot of people here are. Now it took almost three years. That was before the trial could kick off. They, and then they eventually said they gave him an offer because they, well, they were gonna, it's a death penalty state.

• 55:10Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 55:11Speaker 00

  So they were like, well, take the death penalty off if you just plead.

• 55:14Speaker 03

  Firing squad, I think.

• 55:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, which would be fun.

• 55:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:16Speaker 00

  A one in. And so the, uh, they, uh, the families were unhappy because they really wanted some real old, old fashioned justice. I don't think they understand truly how bad jail is. I mean, prison and for somebody like Brian Koberger, it'll be extremely bad for him.

• 55:33Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, you killed three girls.

• 55:34Speaker 00

  Oh, everybody's caught, can't wait to fucking test him.

• 55:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, like even the Nazis hate him.

• 55:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, everywhere they can't, well, he'd join the Nazis.

• 55:41Speaker 03

  You'd have to.

• 55:41Speaker 00

  If I was him.

• 55:42Speaker 03

  He didn't have a choice.

• 55:43Speaker 00

  If I was him, straight to the white power guys and be like, hey guys, hey, what's up?

• 55:48Speaker 03

  How you doing?

• 55:48Speaker 00

  420.

• 55:49Speaker 03

  They won't let me be Muslim.

• 55:52Speaker 00

  Oh, hi guys. I can't, I can't be trans race yet. Um, soon. But yeah, so they, they gave it, he finally just said, but now he's trying to withdraw his plea. Uh, there is something, so they're trying to redo the whole trial.

• 56:06Speaker 03

  The cops coerced him, is what he's saying.

• 56:08Speaker 00

  Full of shit. He's full of shit. He just does, he just wants attention.

• 56:12Speaker 03

  He, I mean, the Netflix documentary came out and then he did this.

• 56:16Speaker 00

  Yes, it's because he want, he wants to be in the spotlight. He wants a trial. He is now mad that he didn't do the trial and he wants a trial. The families are actually pro all of this because they want him to get the death penalty.

• 56:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:27Speaker 00

  But I don't think they understand that you have to, there's all these other like parameters it has to hit.

• 56:32Speaker 03

  They're gonna have to go there every day for a fucking year.

• 56:34Speaker 00

  I think that this is all not gonna go anywhere and he's just gonna sit in jail. I doubt that they're gonna redo all of this. I truly, I, I even know how you can rescind it.

• 56:45Speaker 03

  You've said it.

• 56:47Speaker 00

  What do you mean?

• 56:47Speaker 03

  I mean, he said it.

• 56:48Speaker 00

  Oh yeah, I don't know how you rescind it. I don't know you go back. I didn't know you like, I don't know how that works. Sidstories, L P O T L at gmail dot com. I just think that he's a fucking piece of shit. But did you watch the victim's statements?

• 56:58Speaker 03

  No.

• 56:59Speaker 00

  One of the truly.

• 57:01Speaker 03

  Oh, the sister.

• 57:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, the sister, reading Brian Koberger to filth.

• 57:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:07Speaker 00

  Is truly one of the best true crime moments I've ever seen because it's finally like someone of the younger generation actually saying what they think about serial killers and kind of what we've been saying about serial killers for so long, like calling basically your pussy.

• 57:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:26Speaker 00

  That couldn't do anything and you needed to attack.

• 57:28Speaker 03

  In their sleep.

• 57:29Speaker 00

  And you needed to kill three women that were smaller than you in your sleep because you couldn't handle them.

• 57:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:33Speaker 00

  And, uh, and she brought up his failed attempts to be a rapper.

• 57:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:38Speaker 00

  Which is, I, I feel like it's number three now, serial killers, former rappers.

• 57:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:46Speaker 00

  I think that attempting rapping is one of the, is, how do I feel about having an ability to rap? I feel like you're born being able to rap.

• 57:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:56Speaker 00

  I feel like there are guys that are just born being able to rap, gays and ladies, gees and ladies, born being able to rap. And there's no school that you're gonna go to that's gonna make you be able to rap. There's no, I don't think there's any lesson that can teach-

• 58:11Speaker 03

  I can't rap, but I could do a pun.

• 58:13Speaker 00

  Well, that's different. That's word play.

• 58:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, word play I can do.

• 58:16Speaker 00

  Could you try to do a freestyle for everybody?

• 58:19Speaker 03

  Well, what would you, what's my topic?

• 58:21Speaker 00

  Um, Brian Koberger.

• 58:22Speaker 03

  Brian Koberger. Yeah, what's going on? My name is Brian Koberger. I like to have lettuce on my cheeseburger.

• 58:33Speaker 00

  Man.

• 58:34Speaker 03

  No beat. I didn't have a beat.

• 58:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's bad.

• 58:38Speaker 03

  I didn't kill nobody.

• 58:39Speaker 00

  No, he didn't kill anybody. He's innocent.

• 58:41Speaker 03

  Nobody.

• 58:41Speaker 00

  He's innocent.

• 58:42Speaker 03

  I do not, I didn't even try to be a rapper. You put that on me.

• 58:45Speaker 00

  No, I, I can't even imagine, like, I try to be a rapper and everything turns into sort of like a stilted hoedown for a child's play.

• 58:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, beats, beats. I got the beats. Come and grab my beats. They're red. You peel them, you dip them, you cook them, you make them cool again and then you put them on a salad.

• 59:03Speaker 00

  I do it right. You're gonna see it's quite a sight. When I'm rapping, everybody is dancing. You better get yourself to prancing. Out my way because you, you got an ugly face. You better be careful because I'm gonna put a fist in there.

• 59:18Speaker 03

  You did better than I did for a while. Yeah.

• 59:23Speaker 00

  Back to the trial.

• 59:24Speaker 03

  Back to the trial.

• 59:25Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 59:25Speaker 03

  So, um, but yeah, so Koberger, I mean, he's just gonna be in prison forever and that's it.

• 59:30Speaker 00

  I doubt that anything is gonna happen with this.

• 59:32Speaker 03

  They're not gonna kill him in prison. They're just gonna keep this the way it is and he's fucked.

• 59:35Speaker 00

  I think he's gonna get beat to fucking death.

• 59:37Speaker 03

  You think so?

• 59:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:38Speaker 03

  Not in Idaho.

• 59:39Speaker 00

  You know what it is? Truly, if he doesn't join a white power group, the main issue is his attitude.

• 59:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:45Speaker 00

  I think that guys in prison, from what I've seen from all the prison material I watch, like I watch a lot of prison material. I watch a lot of like, you know, besides Big Herc, I like watch a lot of like prison interviews.

• 59:56Speaker 03

  I like Oz.

• 59:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, that's, but I like the real guys. I like the real men. And when I watch them, they don't like guys like Brian Koberger. And Brian Koberger seems to be a really good, because it's not even about, I'm not even talking about like gross jail rape. I'm talking about like calling, they, what they call pulling your card.

• 1:00:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:15Speaker 00

  They pull your card, they ask you what you do. And then the thing is, is that sometimes what will happen, especially if you're new, you gotta either fight your way in, right? You gotta fight the biggest guy there. You gotta, because they'll do that, right? They ask, they got a bunch of lingo that you do, you don't understand. And all of a sudden you're in there and you gotta deal with it and everybody's got something going on and Brian Koberger is gonna need protection. And so the problem is the first guy he's gonna jump to who's gonna be like, I got you, man. I'm gonna protect you, man. Which how it always goes.

• 1:00:40Speaker 03

  And that guy's gonna stop.

• 1:00:41Speaker 00

  That guy's gonna do something weird to him and then he's gonna be like, oh, fuck, what do I do? And then they're gonna be like, me, brother. I'm gonna, I got you.

• 1:00:46Speaker 03

  I got you, buddy.

• 1:00:48Speaker 00

  And that guy's the warden. Oh, yeah, yeah. And he's fucking dead. And then he's gonna join the white power movement and then eventually from within there, someone will kill him from within there.

• 1:00:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:57Speaker 00

  That's my view.

• 1:00:58Speaker 03

  I think that's, I think that's a good, uh, theory.

• 1:01:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:01Speaker 03

  You know, speaking of hip hop, the Tupac trials, he's not.

• 1:01:05Speaker 00

  That's right. Keefy D's gonna go down.

• 1:01:08Speaker 03

  Keefy D's going down.

• 1:01:09Speaker 00

  I can't believe that that's fucking happening.

• 1:01:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, Suge Knight, it, almost in the same breath said, I don't want any part of this. And then immediate was like, there's other people involved. It's not just Keefy D. Like, it's like, he's like, immediately was like, I'm not being, I'm not getting dragged to prison. I ain't doing this. And then he called TMZ.

• 1:01:26Speaker 00

  He's like, listen, just, just gotta know, Keefy D's in a little bit of trouble. Someone's gonna have to come and help me out. So, because Keefy D's in a little trouble.

• 1:01:33Speaker 03

  So Dwayne Keefy D Davis, uh, he is in court right now. They're trying to put Tupac Shakur's 1996 assassination on him.

• 1:01:43Speaker 00

  Well, he's talked about nothing but all of his various connections to it, how happy he was that he did it. He was the one that did it.

• 1:01:51Speaker 03

  He said he was in the car.

• 1:01:53Speaker 00

  He said that he gave the gun to the people who shot Tupac. He said that he would have shot Tupac if he was on the other side of the car.

• 1:02:01Speaker 03

  But what y'all don't know.

• 1:02:02Speaker 00

  Wasn't, the other guy had a better shot and so that guy shot Tupac.

• 1:02:05Speaker 03

  What y'all don't know is that Keefy D was in character.

• 1:02:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:02:08Speaker 03

  Okay, Keefy D is just a character Keefy D plays. Alright?

• 1:02:12Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 1:02:13Speaker 03

  My real name is Keith.

• 1:02:15Speaker 00

  That's me.

• 1:02:16Speaker 03

  It's Dwayne, actually.

• 1:02:17Speaker 00

  It's me, Dwayne. You can't be mad at me. You can't be mad at Dwayne. Dwayne doesn't know what Kefi D does sometimes. Kevi D, he's out of pocket.

• 1:02:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:26Speaker 00

  Me, Dwayne, ha, I'm just in the backseat with my fingers crossed, hoping that, oh, he pulls us into a safe little place. But every time Kevi D's got the wheel, we end up in trouble again.

• 1:02:38Speaker 03

  So Kefi D is the main witness against himself because he admitted to doing it.

• 1:02:44Speaker 00

  On like twelve podcasts.

• 1:02:46Speaker 03

  He put it in a bunch of podcasts and he put it in a book. And he claims that the podcasts don't mean anything. And then there was a ghostwriter for the book. I do believe there was a ghostwriter for the book.

• 1:02:55Speaker 00

  I don't think that Kevi D pulled up to a little coffee shop and got his latte. And just sat and he was just like, I just love to be, you know, when I write my book. Brooklyn is just another character and LA is just another, it's just the super all in and just see him with his sweater. Like he's got like the big like cath nan on and he's sitting there just going like, it was the rapiest of days. It was the crappiest of days.

• 1:03:25Speaker 03

  Well, remember Tupac and Shug Knight apparently beat up Kefi D's friends. Uh, in Vegas, right before the shooting, and this was retaliation, but it turns out everyone else who was in the car with Kefi D is dead.

• 1:03:39Speaker 00

  Yes. Oh, he's the last one.

• 1:03:40Speaker 03

  He's the last, him and Shug are the only people still alive.

• 1:03:45Speaker 00

  This whole scenario.

• 1:03:46Speaker 03

  From the whole, yes.

• 1:03:47Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:03:48Speaker 03

  So it's so crazy. And then Shug, who's also in prison for murder currently. Probably not going to get out for a very long time, is trying to release his own book and has pushed the release of his own book back. It's put, uh, Shug Knight's book.

• 1:04:05Speaker 00

  Shugs not drugs.

• 1:04:06Speaker 03

  Your pain is my joy. Um, is the name of Shug's book.

• 1:04:10Speaker 00

  That's the name of his fucking book.

• 1:04:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:12Speaker 00

  Your pain is my joy.

• 1:04:14Speaker 03

  He's pushed it back to September because he wants to see what shakes down with this trial.

• 1:04:18Speaker 00

  That's hilarious.

• 1:04:19Speaker 03

  Finishes his book.

• 1:04:20Speaker 00

  Why would he name it? That's hilarious. It should have been like the Shug Knight story. Why, I'm fine.

• 1:04:28Speaker 03

  Hey, how I, how I ran death row and escaped it. How am I writing this book while blind?

• 1:04:33Speaker 00

  The Shug Knight story.

• 1:04:35Speaker 03

  Yeah. Remember when he said he was blind?

• 1:04:38Speaker 00

  Because yeah, he hit the guy who was like, I couldn't see. I couldn't see. But you're driving.

• 1:04:44Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:04:44Speaker 00

  It is unfortunate.

• 1:04:45Speaker 03

  Also, I could say Shug Knight tried to run me off the road personally. So I see him as a vehicular murderer.

• 1:04:54Speaker 00

  Well, I think that he had a hard time seeing. I think that was the problem. He should have got glasses. And you know what I blame is toxic masculinity. And I think that that's why Shug Knight refused to get glasses.

• 1:05:05Speaker 03

  Are you ready for this?

• 1:05:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:05:07Speaker 03

  Shug Knight, probably a CTE.

• 1:05:09Speaker 00

  Fascinating.

• 1:05:10Speaker 03

  Played for, um, he played for the Arizona Cardinals.

• 1:05:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, I could see that. That makes total sense.

• 1:05:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:14Speaker 00

  He's, uh, violent, impulsive. Uh, what else you call him? Bad attitude?

• 1:05:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:05:20Speaker 00

  Big guy.

• 1:05:20Speaker 03

  Straight gangster.

• 1:05:21Speaker 00

  Straight up, oh, yeah.

• 1:05:22Speaker 03

  Straight up gangster.

• 1:05:23Speaker 00

  You think he'd like us?

• 1:05:24Speaker 03

  No, I met him. He did not care for me.

• 1:05:27Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:05:27Speaker 03

  Actually, he seemed like, you know what? I take it back. He was actually kind of nice and that was more aggravated.

• 1:05:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, wow.

• 1:05:32Speaker 03

  I was terrified.

• 1:05:33Speaker 00

  Oh, you should be.

• 1:05:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Called him Mr. Knight and everything.

• 1:05:35Speaker 00

  I would call him Mr. Knight. I'd be calling him, I'd be, oh, you know what I'd call him? I'd call him sir.

• 1:05:39Speaker 03

  You don't call him Shug, that's for sure. We didn't earn that.

• 1:05:41Speaker 00

  Hey there, Mr. Shugs.

• 1:05:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, he was hanging out with Cat Williams at the Comedy Store.

• 1:05:45Speaker 00

  Hmm, not a friendly a table.

• 1:05:48Speaker 00

  Hey there, boys. You guys having a good time? Hey, you guys want some chicken wings? How about you do, huh? How you boys doing, huh?

• 1:05:55Speaker 03

  Oh, right.

• 1:05:56Speaker 00

  Come out with me out of my bowling. You want to go bowling with me and my family?

• 1:05:59Speaker 03

  That's short for sugar, isn't it?

• 1:06:02Speaker 00

  He's really cute.

• 1:06:03Speaker 03

  Is that short for sugar?

• 1:06:05Speaker 00

  I bet you got a little sugar in your tank, right?

• 1:06:07Speaker 03

  That means you're having a good time, right?

• 1:06:09Speaker 00

  I'm sorry.

• 1:06:10Speaker 03

  You know, most black men get diabetes at your age when they're your age.

• 1:06:14Speaker 00

  Can I taste your urine?

• 1:06:17Speaker 00

  Can I taste your urine like Patrice O'Neal's, her girlfriend did? Do you see that? Do you know Patrice O'Neal? Excuse me. Do you know Brian Gumbel? Hey, excuse me. Do you know Barack Obama?

• 1:06:31Speaker 03

  I bet he knows Brian Gumbel.

• 1:06:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, sure.

• 1:06:33Speaker 03

  Uh.

• 1:06:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, Brian Gumbel will fucking stab you in the throat.

• 1:06:37Speaker 03

  Um, Deforvid, uh, he's also, he's also a musician who's facing, uh, prison.

• 1:06:42Speaker 00

  We talked about him.

• 1:06:43Speaker 03

  The updates for him are he is currently on trial. Uh, turns out that he had knocked up Celeste when she was 13 and she got an abortion.

• 1:06:51Speaker 00

  Yes, it's an abortion, Deforvid.

• 1:06:53Speaker 03

  So, uh.

• 1:06:54Speaker 00

  It was an abortion, Deforvid.

• 1:06:56Speaker 03

  And then she was murdered a year later, most likely by him because he, um, she was found in his car.

• 1:07:02Speaker 00

  His trial is going to start very soon and I don't really going to get, I'm not going to get into the weeds of it until the trial's over. Because I think a lot of people are already following the trial. I think it's going to be pretty quick.

• 1:07:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's going to be arraigned on August 31st.

• 1:07:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, I have a feeling it's going to be pretty quick. Deforvid's really small.

• 1:07:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:19Speaker 00

  That is one of the weirdest things that when you see all this footage of him now, you start to realize like he really is like a kid.

• 1:07:24Speaker 03

  Well, he murdered one.

• 1:07:26Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:07:26Speaker 03

  And so there's that.

• 1:07:27Speaker 00

  Now Deforvid's going to be singing for a supper in jail.

• 1:07:32Speaker 00

  You know, he could put on, we need a concert though. If Deforvid puts out a vinyl from prison.

• 1:07:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:39Speaker 00

  How awesome is that?

• 1:07:40Speaker 03

  I mean, no one's done it in a long time.

• 1:07:42Speaker 00

  That would be kind of fun.

• 1:07:43Speaker 03

  Has anyone ever done it other than the Blues Brothers?

• 1:07:45Speaker 00

  Was Folsom prison, like, was that recorded there?

• 1:07:47Speaker 03

  Well, it was recorded there, but he wasn't a prisoner.

• 1:07:50Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:07:50Speaker 03

  Manson put out a prison album.

• 1:07:52Speaker 00

  He did. Oh, man.

• 1:07:53Speaker 03

  I gave it to you.

• 1:07:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:07:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:56Speaker 00

  Oh, it's in a pile you gave me?

• 1:07:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:07:58Speaker 00

  Fuck yeah. Uh, Deforvid, I think that could really do it here. I feel like if he wanted to use the power of song, this would be the time.

• 1:08:06Speaker 03

  Yeah. So, um, but he's fucked.

• 1:08:09Speaker 00

  Do you think he's gonna, is he gonna get death penalty, we think?

• 1:08:11Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:08:11Speaker 00

  Nah.

• 1:08:12Speaker 03

  You don't think so?

• 1:08:13Speaker 00

  No, it's California.

• 1:08:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I think they were talking about it. They get, there is like a loophole in California where you can get the death penalty.

• 1:08:19Speaker 00

  Nah, I think they're just gonna, to be honest, I, I wonder if he'll even get to trial.

• 1:08:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:24Speaker 00

  He could plea out.

• 1:08:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:25Speaker 00

  He could very well plea out.

• 1:08:27Speaker 03

  I, I think he's just gonna have to take life in prison.

• 1:08:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, he's gonna go all, he's gonna go jail. I don't think.

• 1:08:31Speaker 03

  There's no way they're hooking him up with anything.

• 1:08:34Speaker 00

  I don't know if they, because they really did not, they don't like him.

• 1:08:38Speaker 03

  No one does.

• 1:08:39Speaker 00

  No one likes him. His music's bad.

• 1:08:41Speaker 03

  I have, we haven't even heard from his parents.

• 1:08:43Speaker 00

  No, no, no, they are disappointed. And isn't that worse than being angry?

• 1:08:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:48Speaker 00

  That's how I feel. I would, that's like kind of why I've never murdered.

• 1:08:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:52Speaker 00

  Cause I didn't want to embarrass my mom.

• 1:08:54Speaker 03

  Well, another, uh, another one, uh, he, one of his neighbors is back in the news as well. Nick Reiner.

• 1:09:02Speaker 00

  Oh, that's right.

• 1:09:03Speaker 03

  Uh, Nick Reiner, um, who is like literally hanging out with Deforvid.

• 1:09:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, they're already, they're like in the same cells and shit. They're like right next to each other.

• 1:09:11Speaker 03

  Um, is indicted on new charges and special circumstances. This just happened today. Um, we were recording this last week, of course. Um, he is pled not guilty to counts. Um, a special circumstance alleges the multiple murders and the murder, um, by means of lying in wait. After a grand jury indictment was unsealed.

• 1:09:31Speaker 00

  I can't think, he's not going to get his inheritance. Have we heard anything about the inheritance thing or no?

• 1:09:36Speaker 03

  Well, he was, the thing is, his lawyers are trying to get it. He, Alan Jackson, um, quit being his lawyer.

• 1:09:43Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:09:43Speaker 03

  The famous, uh, attorney Alan Jackson quit.

• 1:09:45Speaker 00

  We didn't have the money.

• 1:09:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, he didn't have the money. So Alan Jackson's out and now he has a, currently has a public defender. But, um, he was supposed to get his 1.5 million dollars two years ago.

• 1:09:56Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:09:56Speaker 03

  According to the paperwork that the Reiners had filled out for him and he is not currently guilty. So.

• 1:10:03Speaker 00

  Well, I bet you they didn't give him that money because he was already, um.

• 1:10:06Speaker 03

  Cause he was doing drugs and he was erratic and he was a fucking psychopath.

• 1:10:10Speaker 00

  And there's no follow up stories from the June thing with him demanding that inheritance. So I don't think he got it.

• 1:10:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't think. No, but he's still trying to get it. It is, that, that is happening and also, um, his aunt has been visiting him in prison. Rob Reiner's sister keeps going there and the, and then, uh, the, um, and then the, the siblings, the nieces and nephew. Uh, his brother and sister are very mad at the aunt.

• 1:10:33Speaker 00

  Family's weird.

• 1:10:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:34Speaker 00

  Family is really weird because I do see in one aspect, you're like.

• 1:10:41Speaker 00

  There's, there's like a whole like weird Christian impulse that I just don't understand. Like the idea that like.

• 1:10:47Speaker 03

  Jewish.

• 1:10:48Speaker 00

  Uh, you know, but.

• 1:10:51Speaker 00

  It feels like, it's just, it's Judeo. It's something.

• 1:10:55Speaker 03

  Comes from the same place.

• 1:10:56Speaker 00

  It's just they're like, the idea of like, like you gotta keep him in the family because he's family. Right? Like there's something about like, well, he's family. And it's like, like.

• 1:11:07Speaker 03

  He murdered your brother.

• 1:11:08Speaker 00

  I just, I'm one of those where as soon as you kill one of us, especially more like, even just, I'll give you, I'll throw your bone. Even if you just rape one of us.

• 1:11:17Speaker 03

  I cut my aunt Judy off for being a bitch.

• 1:11:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, I feel that I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna forgive you. Unless we hated her together, unless Rob Ri, they hated Rob Reiner, I hate that bitch.

• 1:11:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:32Speaker 00

  If that bitch like, if that bitch don't miss Rob Reiner, she can suck my fucking dick.

• 1:11:37Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, it's weird that she's visiting him in prison, but I guess it's not enough to really go after her.

• 1:11:43Speaker 00

  No, no, it's show, it's, it's family and it's complicated and some people feel the need and there's like a whole. Also, you know how many times you've been around, you've ever been around somebody that's like, has to be. Almost like better than everybody else to just lord it over everybody. So the aunt, I could see the aunt definitely being like, well, I visited Nick. None of you visited Nick.

• 1:12:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:04Speaker 00

  Because none of you are empathetic enough. Not as empathetic as me. Because I feel like they're all like, well, someone's got to visit him. So I go and tie someone has to because he's a family. That's a family member. Oh, we killed the director of Princess Bride. Good.

• 1:12:23Speaker 00

  Good. I hated the Princess Bride. I thought it was hack. I will stand by him. Love that Nick Reiner took out the horrible director of the presidents. Was it the American president?

• 1:12:35Speaker 03

  A few good men.

• 1:12:36Speaker 00

  Few good men?

• 1:12:37Speaker 03

  I think he did American president too. You're right.

• 1:12:39Speaker 00

  You fucking traitor of the American people. If I could kill him again, I would. He turned down Jack. And when he turned down Jack, that's how I knew he had a death sentence.

• 1:12:52Speaker 03

  I mean, this kid is fucked.

• 1:12:54Speaker 00

  You know, fuck Nick Reiner.

• 1:12:55Speaker 03

  Fuck Nick Reiner for sure. Fuck Nick Reiner. Man, his dad even made a movie with him. He even like went out and made a movie with him. Like he like, it's an awful movie. I tried watching it.

• 1:13:06Speaker 00

  Fuck Nick Reiner. Fuck you, Nick Reiner. Fuck you. Fuck you, you piece of shit. I hope you fucking rot in prison, you fucking piece of shit.

• 1:13:14Speaker 03

  So that's what's going on with him.

• 1:13:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, sorry. Sorry about that. I just.

• 1:13:17Speaker 03

  No, you're right.

• 1:13:18Speaker 00

  Get angry.

• 1:13:19Speaker 03

  I agree with you.

• 1:13:20Speaker 00

  Certain things I can get angry at. I'm angrier to him than Lindsay Clancy.

• 1:13:23Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:13:25Speaker 00

  No, those kids didn't make any movies.

• 1:13:28Speaker 00

  Should we keep that or we have to cut that?

• 1:13:30Speaker 03

  Have to cut that?

• 1:13:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, well, you know.

• 1:13:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, what are you gonna do?

• 1:13:32Speaker 00

  You know what satire, you know what comes down to. Those kids would have made terrible movies. They would use AI or whatever.

• 1:13:38Speaker 03

  Oh, now I gotta cut.

• 1:13:39Speaker 00

  Oh, fuck, god damn it, god, fuck.

• 1:13:43Speaker 00

  Well, I think we did it, Eddie.

• 1:13:44Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, and Luigi's trying to get out of it, too.

• 1:13:46Speaker 00

  Luigi's got, you know?

• 1:13:48Speaker 03

  He's going for it.

• 1:13:49Speaker 00

  Of all the people that we need to talk about, Luigi's fine. Okay, Luigi's got plenty of money.

• 1:13:54Speaker 03

  I feel like he's the only one that has like a chance of getting out of this.

• 1:13:57Speaker 00

  Oh, very much so. It's because, well, this is because of how badly they fucked everything up. Also, the guy from, uh, the guy who shot Charlie Kirk's got a, a shot, too.

• 1:14:04Speaker 03

  Oh, that's right. We didn't even cover Tyler.

• 1:14:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, he's got, he's got a shot to maybe get out, too.

• 1:14:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, you got one shot.

• 1:14:11Speaker 03

  The, um...

• 1:14:14Speaker 00

  Don't fire me, Henry.

• 1:14:20Speaker 00

  But no, we're having fun here. It's a satire program.

• 1:14:22Speaker 03

  Well, what, what the, the main thing is, is, uh, he's gonna do federal, uh, trial before the state trial. And if he somehow wins the federal trial, the state can try him on double, because of Double Jeopardy.

• 1:14:34Speaker 00

  Double Jeopardy, like that movie with, um...

• 1:14:37Speaker 03

  Those guys.

• 1:14:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:14:38Speaker 03

  Who is it? Laurence Fishburne?

• 1:14:41Speaker 00

  Double Jeopardy's with Ashley Judd. And Ashley Judd and Tommy Lee Jones.

• 1:14:48Speaker 03

  Interesting. I was way off.

• 1:14:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, I remember that.

• 1:14:51Speaker 03

  Bruce Greenwood.

• 1:14:52Speaker 00

  Yep, 1999 film.

• 1:14:53Speaker 03

  He played JFK.

• 1:14:54Speaker 00

  You know what? This is one of those movies that I only know from my time working at Hollywood Video.

• 1:14:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, I don't think I ever watched it, but I do remember seeing the cover a bunch.

• 1:15:03Speaker 00

  There's a specific time period of movies.

• 1:15:05Speaker 03

  That's why I was confused, because it's got the same cover as Kiss the Girls.

• 1:15:08Speaker 00

  And High Crimes, and every other Ashley Judd movie from 1997 to 2000.

• 1:15:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:15:13Speaker 00

  Ashley Judd did a bunch of these movies in which she had the same poster. And they're all, they're all highly mediocre.

• 1:15:20Speaker 03

  Luigi kinda looks like Ashley Judd.

• 1:15:23Speaker 00

  We gotta end. That means it's over. Patreon.com slash Last Podcast. Once he's that horny, once he's that horny, starting to put old ladies faces on Luigi Mangione, it's time to stop, okay?

• 1:15:35Speaker 03

  Luigi.

• 1:15:36Speaker 00

  Go watch us on Netflix, foaming over Luigi over there.

• 1:15:40Speaker 03

  That's right. That's where you can see Champ.

• 1:15:42Speaker 00

  You can go see Champ on Netflix.

• 1:15:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:15:45Speaker 00

  And go to Patreon.com. You can pay to listen to us for ad-free ways. And then you can go and see Last Stream on the Left Live every Tuesday, 5pm PST. You can also get movie stories on video. Over there, as off of your fucking well-earned dollar.

• 1:16:00Speaker 03

  Your well-earned dollar.

• 1:16:01Speaker 00

  And then you give it LP on the left for all the social media needs that anybody that can have ever. And then you go see LP and TV on YouTube, uh, Last Podcast on the Left, Foreign Report, No Dogs in Space. Uh, they gotta go check it out. HDX2 is on there.

• 1:16:13Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:16:14Speaker 00

  Our, that's it.

• 1:16:16Speaker 03

  That's not it. Uh, September 11th and 12th, I'm gonna be in Washington DC at the Improv, the Small Room. Come see me, four shows, September 27th.

• 1:16:23Speaker 00

  Can I please travel to Washington DC on September 11th, across the country?

• 1:16:29Speaker 03

  If you want to, sure.

• 1:16:30Speaker 00

  Yay!

• 1:16:32Speaker 03

  People are gonna think you're coming now, but you should.

• 1:16:34Speaker 00

  Let it roll.

• 1:16:35Speaker 03

  Um, but you know, when you can't see Henry and I, you can see us on September 18th in Norfolk, Virginia. Also, September 19th, Raleigh, North Carolina. October 9th, Brooklyn, New York. October 11th, Hartford, Connecticut. November 14th, Portland, Maine. November 15th, Burlington, Vermont. December 11th, Iowa City. And December 12th, Columbia, Missouri.

• 1:16:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's my favorite.

• 1:16:58Speaker 03

  Side Stories coming back. Also, Redway, we're gonna be back at the Medial Community Center on October 24th. And I got a bunch of other shows. Just go to eddytunes.com for all those tickets or Last Podcast on the Left. If you want to get the Side Stories tickets, this is it. This is our trial update. Hit us with the Law and Order thing.

• 1:17:16Speaker 03

  Where's the stinger?

• 1:17:17Speaker 00

  Uh, uh, I wasn't ready.

• 1:17:18Speaker 03

  I'm waiting for it.

• 1:17:19Speaker 00

  It's coming, it's coming, it's coming. Here it is.

• 1:17:24Speaker 03

  Yes, now I can come. Goodbye, everybody.

• 1:17:27Speaker 00

  Just so you know, stay out of trouble, okay?

• 1:17:29Speaker 03

  Yeah. Hail Sam Waterston.

• 1:17:31Speaker 00

  Hail Satan. Hail defense attorneys. You're gonna need them.

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