Episode 674: Florida Files - Tales from Florida's Female Prisons

This week, Ed takes us behind the walls of Florida’s women’s prisons, uncovering decades of corruption, abuse, and suspicious deaths, before lightening the mood with the story of “Mean” Marie Dean Arrington, the murderous mom who escaped Death Row and landed on the FBI’s Ten Most Wanted list.

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  There's no place to escape to. This is the last podcast. On the left. That's when the cannibalism started.

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  Dude, I literally went home and that inspired me. I got a room on the Jersey Shore for one night on Saturday. That's great. So my head is putting two songs, like it starts with Shore House and then ends with, but I got a lot of money 'cause I just got paid. I hate that shit, it's driving me crazy. These two songs are fucking mashed together. My fucking brain doesn't know what to do with it.

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  It's a mashup.

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  What is that? That's not a mashup?

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  That's a mashup.

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  That's kind of a, that's kind of a mashup. I got him again, I got him back into this. I pulled him back down into the shit.

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  How many's a few?

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  Three.

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  We can't start with this.

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  Couple, few, several, many, two, three, four, five.

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  We can't do this.

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  What's some?

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  Some is like six to nine.

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  Okay.

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  I thought a handful is what happens when you, I'm not even gonna do this, Eddie. I can't even, I don't know how to joke today. Okay, this is a very serious topic. I do think it's interesting.

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  Yeah.

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  Handful is definitively five.

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  It could be five fingers, yes. That's all I also say.

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  It has to be, yeah.

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  Several is seven.

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  Yeah, unless you're talking about a child, and that means that child is awful.

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  Yeah.

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  He's a handful.

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  He's a handful.

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  He's like, oh, he's a handful, that means I'm gonna have a bad weekend.

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  Cause I'm hanging out with a five-year-old.

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  Who's a handful. Welcome to the last podcast of the last, ladies and gentlemen.

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  Disgusting.

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  Oh.

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  I never wanna say a boy's a handful.

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  Oh, that boy's a handful.

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  I'm two hands full, Henry Zebrowski. Yeah, that's right, I got just the tantalizing amount of tits that if you grabbed me in the dark, you'd think I'm the sexiest lady in prison.

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  And I'm a palm on the chest Marcus Parks, there's nothing to grab on to here. And we've got, I mean, I would say maybe a length.

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  Yeah.

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  Ed Larson.

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  Yeah, I'm a solid B.

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  Yeah.

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  I'm a low B.

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  You don't have tits.

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  I don't, they're there.

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  I got a big chest.

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  You have a lot, you have a wide chest, you have a manly chest.

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  I feel like we have the same size chest.

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  Yes, I have.

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  Except my tits are small.

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  I just got my mother's breasts.

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  Yeah.

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  I'm shaped like an Italian sex pot.

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  Yeah.

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  Yeah, that was the joke that I have for you in my roast, is that, you know, everyone says that Ed Larson's fat, but I think he's more barrel-chested, but unfortunately that barrel is filled with disgusting fat.

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  Yeah.

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  Yeah.

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  That's why I knew you were a good joke writer.

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  Thank you, thank you very much, and today, we actually have Ed Larson at the helm. I've just did the Gary Ridgway series, we did a three-parter, so I'm handing the reins over to Eddie Larson today.

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  Oh, boy. You know, nothing but a bunch of yucks today.

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  When I call you Eddie Larson, it really makes you sound like a criminal.

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  It is.

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  Thank you.

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  Yeah. Yeah, rambling Eddie Larson.

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  Well, you know, there might be a couple of confessions today.

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  Alright, so let's get into some, god damn it.

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  What are you gonna do?

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  I don't even wanna.

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  It's hard.

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  Yeah.

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  It's funny because like, that is exactly why I picked the topic. I thought it would be fun. Women in chains, you know, behind bars, you know? Yeah, exactly. It's like, it's like, oh, that's fun, that's silly. And then it turns out, when you really look into it, it's super sad.

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  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just got that, what's it, Reform Schoolgirls?

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  Oh, yeah.

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  Movie with Wendy O. Williams, because that's what Wendy is named after, our dog. We named her after Wendy O. Williams. And so I started watching that, and I was just like, I don't know if that movie really has a lot to do with what we're gonna talk about today, because that involved a lot of wet women beating each other, a lot of spanking, a lot of like gripping, and then it was like a big man saying, "Get together, girls!", and then they'd go like, "You got it, Mr. Warden."

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  You know, if you really examine it, it's really not that far off. It's just not fun.

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  You skate your off.

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  I wonder, are there any particularly fun prison movies?

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  I mean, back in the day, there-

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  Jailhouse Rock!

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  Jailhouse Rock.

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  Okay, but that's a jail, it's a jail movie, that's not a prison.

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  And I think it's just a music video.

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  Oh, is it?

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  I think it is.

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  Oh, wow. I don't know.

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  I think that might be a full movie.

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  I don't know. I refuse to watch Elvis on film.

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  What a weird stance to have.

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  It sucks.

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  You're missing out on clam bakes.

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  I love a clam bake. But I do it myself. And that's because I'm from Florida.

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  Speaking of a clam bake, that's what happens when the ladies are in prison, down in Florida. They don't have air conditioning.

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  Great segue, Henry. Thank you, thank you. Alright. So basically, when I was trying to come up with my next episode for last podcast, and I left the uncle years, I didn't, uh, I didn't wanna jump into another animal episode just yet. But if you remember, back to the horrors of SeaWorld episodes I did, I stated that one of the most terrifying things to me is being ripped apart by animals.

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  Yeah, and it's like, for me, it's not being seen.

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  Yeah, I know. Or someone talking over you.

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  Yeah.

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  Or a single fucking thought just staying in your head.

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  My job. I don't have any other job. People do love you for it.

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  It's the only thing I do.

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  But the truth of the matter is, if you're gonna die before your time, getting ripped apart by gators, or stomped to death by an elephant is a pretty righteous way to say goodbye to Earth. It may not be as rad as your wingsuit not opening during a base jump, or being consumed by lava while banging a reindeer, or in a hail of bullets at a Klan rally, but getting ripped apart by animals can be a fun way to go. And if you got children, they'll never pay for another drink for the rest of their lives. Think about your kids.

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  Ah, yeah, that's old Billy Jensen. Father was ripped apart by raccoons back in 84.

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  Tell us about it, Billy.

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  First, you gotta show them to me.

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  I really wanted to put together something extra scary for you all this episode, so I stretched my brain to combine what is the most pure primal fear that swims around the hell soup that is my mind, and something I've learned since joining the show that now fills me with dread. Largest fear? That's simple. Going to prison. Yeah.

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  Oh, yeah.

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  It's I dream about all the time. It's fucking nightmare. It's the worst.

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  Been my biggest fear since I was a child.

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  Yeah.

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  I have a reoccurring dream where I go to prison for a crime I didn't commit, and I have to deal with it. I'm just going, "No one believes me! No one believes me!"

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  There's no fate worse than rotting in a place where laughter is met with violence, where your cellmate is just as scary as the guard put there to keep you safe from them. Prison is a place where you go to be forgotten, a place far away from society, a place made to destroy you mentally and physically. Rehab seems to be an afterthought these days. Recidivism in America is still at 50%, eight years out. It's, it got better, but it's still pretty bad.

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  Yeah, I mean, you weren't around for the Carl Panzeram years, when we, uh, we talked about how bad American prisons used to be. They're still fucking horrible, like, don't get me wrong, but when you go back and look at what, like, the things that Panzeram went through, those men went through, and like, leavenwurst back in the day, it was damn near that the goal was to kill them before they were released.

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  Yeah, you were rewarded. for treating them bad.

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  But with Carl Panzram, all of the tortures just made him physically stronger.

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  Yeah.

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  And then he took it out on the world.

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  Yes, strong enough where he almost killed President Taft.

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  Really?

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  Yeah.

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  Oh, is he the guy who tried to shoot him?

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  He broke into his house.

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  He broke into his house just for fun.

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  Oh, really?

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  Yeah.

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  See, the best way to kill Taft, you tickle him a bunch, you get a heart attack.

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  Somebody call Teddy, he'll save me.

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  I had an extremely small taste of jail life. I, I personally spent seven nights in jail in three separate trips, all in the Florida Panhandle. Now, in the grand scheme of things, that ain't shit. But it was more than enough to make me terrified of returning. But it also helped me develop an advanced level of empathy for the people inside. Now, fortunately, other than depression and getting probation that tested me for weed twice a week for a year, nothing bad really happened to me. I did have a comical interaction with an intake officer when he was checking my asshole for contraband. Yeah? Yeah, yeah, real quick, I. Oh, yeah, this is our comics unleashed section.

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  Eddie, I understand that you, you've been to prison. You've been to jail, you've been to jail. Why, why don't you tell us that story?

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  Thanks, Byron.

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  He told me to strip down naked, bend over, spread my cheeks and cough. But being new to jail life, I was incredibly nervous and thought he said, stripped down naked, bend over, spread your cheeks and talk. So there I was, my asshole aimed at the cop's line of sight, asking him how his day was and telling him what I had for breakfast.

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  That was the opportunity.

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  Fucking auditioning for the singing asshole part in Pink Flamingos?

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  Do you have any balaka?

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  You know, that's the whole thing, man. That's the time to quote Elvis Ventura.

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  I mean, it was redundant because from that angle, he clearly could have seen what I had for breakfast. He barked at me, "Cough!" I said, "Cough, don't talk, cough." And then I retained my right to stay silent, except for a couple little coughs. And no cocaine fell out my tushy, and I was allowed to join the other incarcerated people that night.

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  You're lucky.

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  Yes, I was lucky.

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  You are. I mean, you say seven ain't a whole lot in the grand scheme of things, but in this room, I think you have everyone beat by seven.

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  Yeah. I'd never been caught.

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  No, you haven't. I was living with Henry when I went to jail.

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  Yeah, and I drove him back and forth.

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  That's nice, yeah. And I've never been arrested, but I have been detained many a time.

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  That's different. They do that to scare you.

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  Yeah. That's because people just like to hold you.

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  Well, you know, there was a cop back in my hometown, the one, and, you know, he was easy on the kids.

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  Yeah, he understood, but he knew, you'd scare him.

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  Yeah.

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  And you're easy on the eyes.

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  That I am.

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  I don't need to be back in this car then.

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  So I like to think of my fears as somewhat rational. For instance, I'm not scared of flying because I know that Delta would never let me die because they don't want to pay out Julie. And plus, how often do commercial airliners fall out of the sky? A little too often, if you listen to the Pain in the Everglades episode. But I am pretty scared of cars, mostly because people die in cars all the time. In fact, accidents are the number three cause of death in America. In the US, driving a car is a rational fear, especially when old stock car Zebrowski's driving.

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  I'm very safe when you're in the car.

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  You only became safe with me in the car after I requested you to be safer.

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  Because I had to drive slower than the speed limit.

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  Actually, it wasn't safe. It was just, you're making me ill.

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  Yeah.

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  So over the last couple of years, the thing I realized that is the most common denominator in absolutely horrific deaths mentioned on last podcast on the left is that they are unfortunately usually women. Roughly 92% of women murdered are by men they knew and 62% of all women murdered are done in by a man who they were in a relationship with or closely related to. Fucking scary ass numbers. I recently reconnected with a social worker friend of mine to ask about these facts and they confirmed their truth. They went on to explain to me that the most dangerous moment for a woman in a domestic violence situation is the moment she tries to leave and that multiple

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  times when she met women in prison for murdering their abuser, they'll say even though they're in prison, they finally feel free. So all this information brought me around to the conclusion that the scariest thing to me is to be a woman in prison and we'll just toss Florida in there to stay on brand.

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  You see, that helps.

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  You do have to narrow it down.

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  Yeah.

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  Yeah, because there's a lot of women in prison amongst these many 50 states.

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  Oh, my God. It's, it's, yeah, it's a nightmare. Suddenly, I was brought back to this crazy ass story that came out of Tallahassee shortly after I graduated from drug court, AKA probation, right before I moved up to New York to lose money doing comedy with Henry for many years.

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  Now, don't forget doing podcasts with Marcus.

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  Yes, I know.

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  You lost a lot of money doing that, too.

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  That began.

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  We didn't have dues.

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  Murderfist had dues. He's literally paid to be a murderfist.

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  We did. We had dues and we had a demerit system that did not hold water. And I'll always remember the time that we had an intervention for one of our members and Ed showed up with a case of beer. And we're like, what are you doing? And he's like, not an intervention for me. And it's like, you're right. You know what? And it was like a whole thing. We're like, yeah.

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  June 21st, 2006, Federal Correction Institute in Tallahassee. There was a shootout at the women's prison, which left one guard and one FBI agent dead. No inmates were involved and said shootout. Juicy shit, right? Yeah. I thought this would be such a fun story to tell when I took over the next episode. But the truth is, even though it seems like a case that multiple books should have been written about, there really isn't more info than just a couple of articles. Why? So I sicked our research and junkyard dog, Rachel Burke, on it to see what she came back with. And well, this just lifted the lid on the amount of corruption, abuse, and

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  murder that happens within the women's side of prisons in Florida. Turns out, not as radical as some of the documentaries those boys have watched in the past. Yeah, I mean, I've seen a couple of them, man. Girl in the big house. Ladies in the long house. Ladies in the shower in the big house. I've seen a lot of different things.

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  Live from your grave. Now, this subject is thicker than me and yoga pants, so I'll only scratch the surface while covering it today. I'm going to concentrate on two female prisons in Florida to talk about this issue. That is the aforementioned FCI Tallahassee and Lowell Correctional Facility near Ocala. FCI Tallahassee opened in 1938 and was converted to house female prisoners in 1992, but its problems didn't become visible until the feds uncovered an elaborate sex for contraband scheme that involved six correction officers and incarcerated women there within. This didn't come out of nowhere.

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  The feds conducted an eight-month undercover operation in cooperation with the DOJ. Turns out, the feds used to do other stuff than just get drunk with the hockey team at the Olympics.

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  Yeah, yeah. You know, one of these days, they'll get back to doing their job.

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  Honestly, though, maybe it's nice they're not working.

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  So hard right now, if we can get away with a lot more stuff.

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  Well, that's the thing is that the crime rate has been falling over the last few years, over the last 20 years or so.

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  We're just not prosecuting it.

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  Maybe it's time to give the criminals a chance to catch back up again.

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  Yeah.

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  Hooray! Fair's fair here in America.

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  So they found from 03 to 05 that five guards were to be indicted on charges of sexual contact with female prisoners with 10 different incarcerated women. Their names were Ralph Hill, Alfred Barnes, Gregory Dixon, Alan Moore, and E. Levon Spence. A sixth guard, Vincent Johnson, was accused of trying to cover up the crimes of his coworkers with threats and coercion.

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  So he wasn't even involved in it? He was just the, he was the cover man?

• 21:36Speaker 04

  Yes, apparently. You know, like I said, there's very little real reporting on this. They wanted to sweep this under the rug as quickly as fucking possible.

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  I would imagine.

• 21:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, because it's all like essentially private prisons too, like, or no?

• 21:48Speaker 04

  No, this is a federal prison.

• 21:49Speaker 01

  It's a federal prison, which makes it even, it's why they definitely want to cover it up.

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  Yeah. Now, before we get any further, I want to clarify that any sexual contact between a guard and an incarcerated person is rape. Full stop.

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  They don't have consent. They legally don't have consent.

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  They are unable to consent to, to sex with a guard because a guard holds extreme power over them. Guards control their housing, discipline, privileges, contraband exposure, and access to family. That's even before we get to the fact that they're at work. And if a McDonald's manager is going to be held accountable for having sex with an employee in the stockroom, then so should a fucking prison guard, especially since they're literally locking up the person they're having sex with every night. And quick sidebar to McDonald's, by adding those self-ordering machines, all you're doing is giving your employees extra time to fuck in the stockroom. Just saying.

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  It's also another thing to jerk off on. As a customer.

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  As a customer.

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  Another thing to wipe down for the employee.

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  So in this 13-page indictment, 40 separate crimes were listed and 70 such occurrences. During this period, the guards strategically swapped shifts, covered for one another, passed messages, and obtained cash to facilitate their sexual escapades with female prisoners. For the incarcerated women, the criminal guards brought in weed, cash, booze, and personal messages from family. The guards would then extort the women's families for up to $600 a pop, which is a lot of money in Tallahassee.

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  It is.

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  Yes, especially back then. Just before 8:00 a.m. on June 21, 2006, federal agents entered the facility to arrest the six guards as they came off their night shifts. This was supposed to be a low-risk arrest, being that it was taking place at the prison as they got off work.

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  Why did these guys do this? Why wait till after the workday is done? These guys are not the way, that's not a way to arrest somebody. Get them in the beginning of the day. Get them at the top of the day.

• 23:44Speaker 04

  No, you want to get the work out of them.

• 23:46Speaker 01

  I just don't understand.

• 23:48Speaker 03

  Well, I think at the end of the day is that all you're thinking about is going home, and you're tired, and you're not really thinking straight.

• 23:54Speaker 01

  See, that's when I'd fight the hardest. If you got me on my way to work, I'd be like, "Yeah, you know what? I'll go to jail."

• 24:00Speaker 03

  Fine.

• 24:01Speaker 01

  You know, be like, "Yeah, oh, I don't gotta go to work? Fine."

• 24:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, but you spent the last two hours just fucking dreaming about going home and having fun on the couch, playing some fucking Elden Ring or some BG3.

• 24:11Speaker 01

  But there's something you know super well. It's jail.

• 24:13Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 24:16Speaker 04

  The Bureau of Prisons, the BOP, has a rule that even officers can't bring weapons inside prison facilities. So it would be safe to arrest them as they left work. The hitch being that FCI Tallahassee had very loose rules for checking the cops when they arrived at work, hence all the weed and booze they were able to sneak in for the women victimized by their scheme. Officer Ralph Hill must have had his personal gun with him every day he went to work because the FBI specifically kept this arrest a secret because they were trying to avoid this exact disaster. From what I can tell, the actual gunfight was quick, maybe even less than a minute. Sometimes that's all it takes. One minute, your gun goes off and your life is changed forever. This section of the podcast is presented by

• 25:01Speaker 04

  Trojan.

• 25:05Speaker 03

  And for those of you who aren't American, your personal gun is, it's not your professional gun, it's not your work gun.

• 25:13Speaker 01

  No, that's your business casual gun. I have my business casual gun, I have my cocktail gun. And then honestly, I have my brunch gun.

• 25:21Speaker 04

  I do like the gun you guys issued me, by the way. I really appreciate it.

• 25:25Speaker 03

  Hey, don't wait, after 10 years, you're gonna get your anniversary gun.

• 25:28Speaker 04

  Oh, with the pearl handle.

• 25:31Speaker 01

  We are in the culture war after all.

• 25:33Speaker 03

  And don't forget to pack your formal gun for the ceremony.

• 25:36Speaker 01

  The person who, just so you know, because that's why I have the gun, for the person who correct me about the weather movie about World War II, I'm gonna use it to shoot you in the face.

• 25:48Speaker 04

  So, as Hill was exiting the building, he saw the federal agents gathering outside to arrest him and his cohorts. And without thinking too much about it, he opened the lobby door and opened fire. He shot two Bureau of Prisons employees in his suicide by better cop scenario. He shot an unnamed BOP lieutenant and Special Agent William Sentner. Sentner was able to return fire, killing Hill in the prison courtyard. Special Agent William Sentner later died of his wounds at the hospital. He was posthumously given the Medal of Valor by former President and war criminal George W. Bush. The other five correction officers gave up without a fight.

• 26:27Speaker 03

  That's why you always bring your personal gun.

• 26:30Speaker 01

  Yes, yes. And that's why a lot of times you gotta keep the little snub noms in your sock as well. Yeah, if those other four, five guys brought their personal guns, maybe they would have stood a chance.

• 26:38Speaker 03

  That's what I'm saying. But one guy remembered to bring his gun that day.

• 26:43Speaker 01

  See, this is also an example of these guys had already become criminals. Yeah. So they were criminals. So it didn't matter. They were criminals amongst criminals. And the entire organization aided and abetted it. And I just think, I think it's interesting that the FBI kind of waltzed in there like it was gonna be some easy thing, not understanding it was the inmates running the asylum.

• 27:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, one of the things I kept hearing and seeing when I was doing research for this episode was that there's two types of criminals inside jails. And that is the criminals that are there for, that got arrested, and the ones That are guarding them.

• 27:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:16Speaker 03

  Prison, prison guard is a very sticky job in America. You really don't know what you're gonna get.

• 27:21Speaker 01

  It's a hard, cause it's horrific.

• 27:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:23Speaker 01

  It's a horrific job. It's also underpaid, as all as any horrific job is. It's like, I know that retirement's like early, it's like a 15 year period. Like, it's like one of the lowest amount of works you have to retire, you can work and then retire and get a pension on from what I understand.

• 27:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, and a pension is so valuable if you want to try to retire, especially if you like a soldier and have PTSD.

• 27:45Speaker 01

  That's what my dad did, that's why my mom's still taking my dad's pension, it's a whole thing, but it came, that's the reason why they do these things, because they're also trying to make money while they're in there, trying to maximize the time that they're spending in this dangerous place. By, they believe, I think in some way, there's almost this idea that I'm creating an economy amongst us and almost creates like an order, because it's like another type of order in a way, but I also think that they're all just criminals.

• 28:08Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, it can turn a good man hard. You know, I remember my, one of my closest friends' dad suddenly decided, growing up, one of my closest friends growing up, his dad decided to be a prison guard. Uh, and he did that like four days on, three days off thing.

• 28:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:22Speaker 03

  Uh, and when he came back, like he used to, he was a quiet guy, but he was still kind of jovial, uh, and after he started being a prison guard, he's just, just nothing. It was like he just turned off.

• 28:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, because in prison, everybody's scanning you for vulnerabilities.

• 28:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, my uncle was telling me how he like would see this, like, multiple people eat their own shit. You know, it's like, oh, fuck yeah, yeah, it's weird in there.

• 28:42Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, like this, no one ever talks about, the prison is just fucking weird.

• 28:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. Men alone make a lot of weird decisions together.

• 28:53Speaker 03

  They do.

• 28:54Speaker 04

  So Ralph Hill, he kind of screwed the pooch for the other cops with this incident. After he went down in a hail of bullets, that pretty much solidified the other guards' fate as guilty. Uh, the sentences doled out to these criminals with badges were buried, but not that stiff. Alfred Barnes, Gregory Dixon, and Alan Moore got one year in prison, three years probation, and a couple thousand dollar fine. E. Levon Spence got one year house arrest, mostly because he suffered a stroke after his arrest, and Vincent Johnson, the guard that tried to- and abused women, he just got probation. Um, one former resident of FCI Tallahassee, Ashley Turner, uh, said that the scheme had been going on longer than two years and involved three times as many guards as the amount reprimanded, so.

• 29:38Speaker 01

  Of course, because there's so many guys that are trying to keep it copacetic. Because it's like, yeah, I'm certain, again, it's complicated, it's fucking wildly complicated.

• 29:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I would imagine, uh, I mean, and I'm, this is just wild speculation here, but just knowing what I know about humans, I would imagine that even with amongst the prison guards, they're probably crews.

• 29:59Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 29:59Speaker 03

  Like, you know, amongst the prison, where it's like, this was one crew.

• 30:02Speaker 04

  Very much so. We're gonna get into that kind of a little bit later. I will say that after this, things at FCI Tallahassee got a lot better. And conditions at the prison improved to the point where they're a new model prison for the rest of America.

• 30:16Speaker 01

  Wow!

• 30:17Speaker 03

  Fantastic.

• 30:18Speaker 01

  That's incredible!

• 30:19Speaker 04

  That was a joke.

• 30:20Speaker 01

  Oh, no!

• 30:21Speaker 04

  You couldn't tell?

• 30:22Speaker 01

  No, wow!

• 30:23Speaker 04

  Come on, guys, editons.com, that shit's funny.

• 30:25Speaker 03

  You're just saying fake things, it's not a joke, that's just a lie, Eddie.

• 30:28Speaker 04

  I used to be a professional joke writer, kinda like how you used to be an actor.

• 30:31Speaker 03

  Oh, that's great.

• 30:35Speaker 04

  All Garrison Keillor level humor aside, it's still awful there. You see, they only started reporting complaints in 2002. And from 2012 to now, there have been 130 complaints alleging staff on prisoner abuse. And a few of those official complaints were actually filed by female guards against their male coworkers. This is amongst one of the highest rates of abuse in federal prisons nationwide. So, FCI Tallahassee's not somewhere you want to find yourself.

• 31:04Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 31:05Speaker 04

  That didn't stop people recently from calling FCI Tallahassee a club fet. Especially when an old enemy of the show, Ghislaine Maxwell, was being held there.

• 31:15Speaker 01

  She's still an enemy of the show.

• 31:16Speaker 03

  Nah.

• 31:18Speaker 04

  When Ms. Giz was there, people were focused on the old, on the more progressive programs at the prison, like yoga and music classes, as well as cosmetology and baking programs. You know, basic things prisons should do to properly rehabilitate inmates.

• 31:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're still humans.

• 31:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, and they might not, they might get out

• 31:36Speaker 03

  of jail, they might need skills.

• 31:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly. And so when Maxwell was in prison there, uh, there was a constant flurry of paparazzi in the parking lot of the FCI Tallahassee. Uh, she, it was, the whole place was in the public spotlight. Oddly enough, probably improving conditions inside there for a brief period. Things were for sure safer for Ghislaine, more than other incarcerated women because of her high profile. By leaving the prison, Ghislaine did what she does best, putting women in danger. Uh, Ghislaine has since moved to a place simply called Federal Prison Camp Bryan in Bryan, Texas. She was, yeah, she was.

• 32:13Speaker 03

  College Station.

• 32:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 32:14Speaker 03

  Texas A&M.

• 32:14Speaker 04

  Exactly. She was moved there, um, by our pedophile president, uh, wished her well or something like that. I can't remember.

• 32:20Speaker 01

  Well, he was trying to get her help and then he, she said no, and he still gave her stuff.

• 32:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:28Speaker 01

  It's even better. He's so good at stuff.

• 32:30Speaker 03

  What a good guy.

• 32:30Speaker 01

  Yeah. He's such good at, he's so good at the job.

• 32:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, and good to women.

• 32:35Speaker 01

  He is.

• 32:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, a lot of respect for him.

• 32:36Speaker 01

  Great at work.

• 32:38Speaker 04

  So this place in Bryan is much more of a club fed. Not that I think that's a bad thing, by the way.

• 32:43Speaker 01

  No.

• 32:43Speaker 04

  Um, and Ghislaine even said so herself in an email she sent out claiming that her conditions vastly improved, even recanting, uh, an FCI Tallahassee story where a possum fell through the roof of the kitchen and onto the oven, thus mingling with the food being served that day. Mm, mm, mm. Now that's some real Tallahassee cooking right there, boy.

• 33:07Speaker 01

  I tell you what, I tell you truth, I really think that they could treat white collar criminals worse. I actually don't think we should have club vets. I think that we should be harder on them. I think that's kind of the problem with it is that it's such a, they go, they think about this. I, I'm thinking like about fucking, uh, uh, Mr. Murda, Alec Murda. He gets to sit in fucking cush ass jail, even though he's killed his whole fucking family and he gets to sit in cush jail.

• 33:31Speaker 04

  Well, now he does.

• 33:32Speaker 01

  Yes, he's in forty year old cush jail, forty years of cush fucking club fed shit. And I think that that's, fuck them. I think fuck them. They should be, Bernie Madoff should be in a hardcore super max prison. That's where he should have been. Fuck him.

• 33:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know. I mean, I just don't feel like any prison should be that way. I think you should actually try and rehabilitate the people.

• 33:50Speaker 03

  I agree. Prison should exist.

• 33:52Speaker 01

  But I, but I'm saying in terms of I, I, it's some people have to be punished though. There's gonna have to be prisons and at some point, and it, I, I just feel like, what are we doing here? The white collar criminals are learning nothing.

• 34:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:04Speaker 01

  The, the, everybody else, yeah, they're in bad prisons and they're, they're born poor and their lives were fucked. And they're doing all this shit and then all the, they get to go to another level of prison too. Fuck them.

• 34:14Speaker 04

  I always live by like the thought of, and I know that humans and dogs are separate, but like, you know, hitting a bad dog doesn't make it a better dog.

• 34:21Speaker 01

  If we're gonna have them, put them in there. If we're not gonna have them for anybody, that's a different story. That's my view. If we're not having them for anybody, then great. But if we're having them, put those guys in them too.

• 34:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, I absolutely cannot argue with that.

• 34:38Speaker 04

  You've spoken like a man who pays his taxes.

• 34:42Speaker 03

  If we're gonna torture people, let's torture the right ones.

• 34:45Speaker 01

  Yes, torture the bad ones too. They all need it.

• 34:49Speaker 04

  I remember one day me and my buddy were drinking real hard in New York and he was, you know, awful and he was going around trying to kick cars and stuff like that. And there was like a shitty little Mazda and I stopped him. I was like, hey man, if you're gonna kick a car, kick a Mercedes.

• 35:01Speaker 01

  Kick a nice guy.

• 35:03Speaker 03

  That's just some guy, just trying to get by.

• 35:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, his life sucks. So fuck his life up.

• 35:08Speaker 04

  So oddly enough, um, I have a weird personal connection here where I can second Chris Lane's statement. Uh, you see, I said earlier, I spent a couple of days incarcerated in Leon County Jail in Tallahassee. It was god awful. The food there was so bad that I would have welcomed a possum burger. Uh, I remember one afternoon, me and a couple of the boys there were curious about the cheese. You see the cheese? It bent a little bit, but uh, it was still super strong, you know? And uh, no matter how hard any of us tried, it would not melt. We even put a slice in the dryer for an hour and pulled it out intact. That was, that was how fucking gross this shit was. It's not real food.

• 35:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's gonna be chemicals and preservatives.

• 35:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, you know that uh, dog food has higher uh, State.

• 35:55Speaker 03

  Nutritional value?

• 35:56Speaker 04

  Yes. Yeah, absolutely.

• 35:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:58Speaker 04

  Uh, then about a decade later, I actually did a comedy show in Bryan County Jail. Uh, that place was run pretty well, which I'm sure is why they let us in with a camera crew. Bryan County, Texas is actually home to one of the most progressive sheriffs and former American Jail Association President Wayne Dickey. Sheriff Dickey ran a pretty tight ship over there. And one day, when we were shooting, he said something that really stuck with me. I'm paraphrasing, of course, but he said he wanted his jail to be a place of true rehabilitation because most of the people behind bars would be getting out one day and they would again be his neighbors and he wanted to live next to good people. Not a bad sentiment, especially in Texas.

• 36:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, because Texas hated their neighbors. Like specifically. Texas hates neighbors. No, that, that's. Just Mexico.

• 36:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's it, yeah.

• 36:51Speaker 03

  Just Mexico, Oklahoma, New Mex- New Mexico. Austin, the one of their own cities there, everything. Everything around touching their borders. No, as a, as a Texan, uh, that statement rings true. I, I have heard people have that sort of sentiment, but I will also say that's an old sentiment. That, that's, there's not a lot of people in Texas who think like that anymore.

• 37:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, and well, there's a reason that this particular part of Texas is shown in the national spotlight.

• 37:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:19Speaker 04

  So to hear that life is better for Kislane when she moved to Bryan, Texas makes a lot of sense to me personally.

• 37:24Speaker 03

  Sure. Yeah, and College Station, like, it's a college town.

• 37:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:27Speaker 03

  It's called College Station. That's Bryan, Texas, right, it gets attached to College Station.

• 37:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's right there.

• 37:31Speaker 03

  Texas A&M, one of the biggest schools and, and one of the biggest state schools uh, in the entire state. So, and it's a very, it's a very nice part of Texas.

• 37:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, I was very surprised when I was down there, how like, how much I liked everything.

• 37:43Speaker 03

  Texas can be beautiful. Yeah, incredible German food down there.

• 37:46Speaker 04

  Really?

• 37:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:47Speaker 04

  Oh, I just had the ribs.

• 37:51Speaker 04

  So since 2006, 10 officers at FCI Tallahassee have been indicted on cases of sexual abuse, corruption, and abuse of prisoners. 11 if you count a dirty dentist who worked there.

• 38:03Speaker 03

  Ooh, a dirty dentist.

• 38:03Speaker 04

  Yeah. Other than the five made famous by the shootout, uh, the others' names are Corliss Renaud, Philip Golightly, Jimmy Lee Highsmith, Linton Jerome Hatton, um, Keraton's Kenon, and prison dentist Godfrey Onaga, I think.

• 38:22Speaker 03

  Onuga.

• 38:23Speaker 04

  Onuga, yeah. I say their names because fuck these motherfuckers.

• 38:27Speaker 03

  Can I, can I tell you how, uh, they're all said in Texas?

• 38:31Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 38:31Speaker 03

  Yeah. That's Corliss Ranu.

• 38:34Speaker 04

  Philip Golightly.

• 38:36Speaker 03

  Philip Golightly, uh, Jimmy Lee Highsmith, uh, Linton Jerome Hatton, Karen Trace Kenon, and, uh, Godfrey Onuga.

• 38:46Speaker 04

  Oh, Onuga.

• 38:47Speaker 03

  Onuga.

• 38:48Speaker 04

  Onuga. Remember every middle syllable in a Texas word is three syllables. They're in every vowel.

• 38:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:56Speaker 04

  Every vowel is included in every word, no matter what.

• 38:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, and the, and the, uh, emphasis is always put on the, the wrong, uh, part, like, for example, the-

• 39:05Speaker 04

  Jimmy Lee Highsmith.

• 39:09Speaker 03

  Uh, for example, the, the next town over from me, uh, was a town that if you look, just looked at the name, you think it's like, oh, that's a town called O'Brien.

• 39:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:16Speaker 03

  No, it's O'Brien.

• 39:17Speaker 04

  Well, it's like Miami. Is it Miami?

• 39:19Speaker 03

  Miami. Miami, but no, it's, if you ever said like, oh yeah, I'm going over to O'Brien, no, no, it's, it's, I'm going over to O'Brien.

• 39:25Speaker 04

  O'Brien.

• 39:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:26Speaker 04

  Let Jerome Hatton.

• 39:27Speaker 03

  Yeah. Onuga.

• 39:30Speaker 04

  Now, I'm not gonna get into all these guys' stories, but Jimmy Highsmith is a particularly atrocious shit bastard of a man. He had a string of civil suits placed against him from 2010 to 2021 with multiple women he raped having to be rushed to the emergency room. He was caught in the act by another guard and one of the victims that reported him was thrown in solitary confinement for her own protection. Highsmith, being the total psychopath that he is, then requested to work the isolation unit where she was being held in hopes to intimidate her into dropping the charges. Eventually, he was suspended for 10 days and then moved to a different federal prison in Mississippi called FCC Yazu City.

• 40:13Speaker 04

  He was then given a promotion, an admin job. Part of his new cushy job there was ensuring that complaints and grievances filed by staff and inmates against guards were thoroughly investigated. Finally, in 2021, his crimes caught up with him and he was indicted on three counts of rape against inmates. Each count held a maximum sentence of 15 years. In the end, he was only convicted on one count because the evidence was so overwhelming, they couldn't sweep it under the rug. They had prisoner complaints, guard witnesses, and video footage. He was given 48 months and should be getting released soon. Please do not confuse him with smooth jazz saxophonist Jimmy Highsmith Jr., who is doing

• 40:58Speaker 04

  everything he can with his groovelicious sax riffs to make consensual sex all that much more enjoyable for all of us.

• 41:05Speaker 01

  Was that his dad?

• 41:07Speaker 03

  No, no. There's never been a saxophonist in history that's done a single crime.

• 41:15Speaker 04

  No, they don't do crimes. Jazzmen don't.

• 41:17Speaker 03

  No, jazz, especially jazz saxophonists.

• 41:20Speaker 04

  Jazz guys don't do crime.

• 41:22Speaker 01

  Don't look into it.

• 41:23Speaker 04

  Just leave them alone. Just let's not look at it.

• 41:28Speaker 03

  Coming up next week, our three-part series on the crimes of Boots Randall.

• 41:32Speaker 04

  Oh, God, I can't even, I can't even imagine if you go back to the Blues guys.

• 41:36Speaker 03

  Oh, no, the horrible, the horrible story behind Yakety Sax.

• 41:40Speaker 04

  Oh, my God.

• 41:41Speaker 01

  I wish. The blood spilled around Yakety Sax.

• 41:45Speaker 04

  All right, so how are you all doing? You need a break?

• 41:49Speaker 01

  Nah.

• 41:50Speaker 04

  All right, great. We're just get ready to start diving into lol correctional institution. I promise to end this episode with a fun-ish story, and my next episode will be far sillier.

• 42:00Speaker 01

  It's gotta be.

• 42:01Speaker 04

  I promise. I didn't mean for this to happen, it's just what happened.

• 42:05Speaker 03

  My next one's gonna be awful.

• 42:07Speaker 04

  Yes, it is. Mine is awesome. Mine's gonna be silly. You're gonna see mine. It'll be silly, but it's got a lot of depth. Thank you for, uh, for doing that.

• 42:14Speaker 01

  You're welcome.

• 42:15Speaker 04

  So, as we learn-

• 42:17Speaker 03

  Mine's a tragedy that killed the soul of America.

• 42:22Speaker 01

  What are you talking about? The Janet Jackson wardrobe malfunction? Yeah, that's right. We're coming up the sixth episode of the series about the Janet Jackson wardrobe malfunction. It changed us all.

• 42:34Speaker 04

  I'm in sync with that, dude.

• 42:35Speaker 01

  Ha ha.

• 42:36Speaker 04

  See, as we learned when I talked about Alligator Pelican in my last episode, sometimes the location of a prison can be a form of punishment. Many federal prisons are built in the middle of nowhere because big cities or high-income areas aren't too keen on having a federal prison in their neighborhood. Lowell Prison is in between Ocala and Gainesville. Henry, how would you describe that part of Florida?

• 43:00Speaker 01

  I'd say it's a place that needs a neutron bomb.

• 43:04Speaker 01

  I think it needs to be, it needs a neutron bomb.

• 43:06Speaker 03

  So the infrastructure's good, but you just need to get rid of the people?

• 43:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think that everything can be salvaged business and building-wise. And infrastructure-wise, we can really get into that. I think that's fine. We don't need to rebuild the highways, but we do need to get rid of all the people.

• 43:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, for me, I just, I hear Gainesville and just the, the word ripper immediately is attached to it.

• 43:28Speaker 01

  See, Gainesville's like a little, like liberal spot in the whole state. It's really right outside of it. It's like, because Ocala, you've all heard me talk about how bad Ocala is.

• 43:40Speaker 03

  It's pretty fucking awful.

• 43:41Speaker 01

  Ocala's one of the dead places of the soul of America. There's certain places in this country of ours that are not. Asheville, wonderful.

• 43:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:50Speaker 01

  There's certain other places that you go and you're just like, oh, wow. This is the dusty corner where all of our lives and degradation lives.

• 43:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, like Odessa, Texas.

• 44:00Speaker 01

  Ocala's one.

• 44:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:02Speaker 04

  Ocala's not quite Lake City, but it's almost there.

• 44:05Speaker 01

  It's there.

• 44:06Speaker 04

  Now, this may be a-

• 44:07Speaker 01

  You don't even talk about Punta Gorda. Punta Gorda is where you go to get impregnated by your grandfather.

• 44:14Speaker 03

  And you know what they say about Niceville? It sucks.

• 44:20Speaker 01

  We need that shirt. That's a good one. They need that shirt. Welcome to Niceville. It sucks. Like, it's great.

• 44:30Speaker 04

  Now, this may be a shocker to you, but there are way more poor people in prison than rich people.

• 44:36Speaker 01

  That's what I'm saying.

• 44:37Speaker 04

  Yes. Hypothetical, let's say your daughter got into a fight at the bar and got a heavy sentence for assault because women often receive stiffer sentences than men for the same crimes. And that statement is for sure true about black, brown, and indigenous women.

• 44:52Speaker 01

  Sounds like she just took the training well I gave her my whole life.

• 44:56Speaker 04

  Now, let's say you're from Pensacola and they decide to put your daughter at Lowell Correctional. That's a six-hour drive and you're only allowed to visit for one hour. You can't just get back in your car and drive home after the visit. That's assuming you have enough money to even own a car. So you have to get a hotel room, but you can't just go for one day because a trip like this can cost a lot of time and money and you most likely can't get back there in a while and you gotta go back to work. So that's assuming you're lucky enough to be employed, including the missed time from work. A simple trip to visit your daughter in prison could end up costing you well over a thousand dollars.

• 45:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's all about the punishing people all around the whole system. It's punishing people that are poor way harder than punishing people who are rich.

• 45:44Speaker 04

  Don't even get me fucking started on the phone calls cost.

• 45:47Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 45:47Speaker 04

  It's crazy.

• 45:48Speaker 03

  Oh, no, that's the, that's the, the American way is poverty is very expensive.

• 45:52Speaker 04

  Yeah. So Lowell Correctional Institution holds most of Florida's female prisoners. With a population of almost 3,000 women, it is the largest women's prison in the United States. Lowell Correctional is a playground for predator guards. There are too few cameras, all right? In the past decade, thanks to things like COVID, there have been staff shortages and mismanagement.

• 46:15Speaker 01

  COVID was an excuse for a lot of these fuckers to rip. About everything and they did not put anything back.

• 46:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:21Speaker 01

  Still, six years later.

• 46:22Speaker 04

  It's exactly right. The female prisoners have said the abuse has become intolerable. Think about that. They basically said the abuse we used to get was manageable, but now we're totally fucked. In 2020, the DOJ said that LOL was in direct violation of the Eighth Amendment and the Civil Rights of Institutionalized Persons Act, and gave them 49 days to get their act together or get shut down. Then Florida Secretary of Corrections Mark Inch, who was named after his cock, I believe.

• 46:53Speaker 03

  It's from the B from a long family of inches.

• 46:57Speaker 04

  See, Mark denied the claims by the DOJ and way past that 49 day marker was asked if changes have been made to improve the prison, and he simply said, "No." That's it. And there it is. The only honest thing a prison employee will say in this episode.

• 47:17Speaker 03

  Absolutely not.

• 47:18Speaker 04

  So Mark Inch, quick history, stepped down after being Director of Prisons federally in 2017, um, after a House Oversight and Government Reform Committee was investigating the BOP. Corporal Faced Ron DeSantis thought that was awesome and hired Inch to be in charge of Florida's prisons. He retired after a year on the job. Mark Inch was just another person incapable of cleaning up LOL and other Florida prisons.

• 47:43Speaker 03

  Well, incapable because he didn't want to, and he didn't care, and I'm sure, I'm sure DeSantis just put him in because that, that happens a lot, especially in modern times when it comes to government, is they just put somebody in there, uh, that they know will do a bad job.

• 47:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 47:58Speaker 03

  Uh, or they know just won't do the job and it's just a placeholder until you put another person in there and another person in there.

• 48:04Speaker 01

  And you know what's great about an underqualified person? They're super loyal. Truly. They'll do whatever you say.

• 48:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:10Speaker 01

  It's because they need, they, they want the job, they love the clout, they've been given a job they don't deserve. It's why we have Cash Patel right now. It's the idea is they were given a job that they don't deserve, and so now they desperately have to keep it because the second Cash Patel's not FBI Director anymore, we're all coming for him.

• 48:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 48:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's going to be investigated.

• 48:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's very much going to be investigated.

• 48:28Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 48:28Speaker 04

  They all are.

• 48:29Speaker 03

  And it's, it's nothing new. It goes, you know, I mean, even in, in our lifetime, it goes back to Michael Brown, head of FEMA, fucked up Katrina so badly.

• 48:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 48:36Speaker 03

  Uh, that ran horse shows before George W. Bush made him the head of our, um, federal, uh, response to emergencies.

• 48:44Speaker 01

  Their favors to buddies.

• 48:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, their favors.

• 48:47Speaker 04

  So this is all gonna lead us to the suspicious death of incarcerated woman Latandra Ellington. One of the main problems at Lowell Correctional is guards covering for each other and retaliation towards women who report abuse. Often, women who file the report of abuse usually find themselves in solitary confinement, which is torture.

• 49:06Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 49:07Speaker 04

  On September 21st, 2014, Latandra Ellington witnessed Sergeant Patrick Corsioli raping a fellow inmate and reported it. Ten days later, on October 1st, 2014, she was found dead in her cell. She was a 36-year-old woman with only seven months from release. Corsioli, or Sergeant Q, as he's known around the prison, began to threaten Latandra if she didn't withdraw her report. Sergeant Q also had it out for Latandra because this was the second time she had filed a report on him. The first time was for making her sleep on the top bunk, even though she had a medical pass to sleep on the bottom bunk because she had an injured back. Latandra, not that her crime matters, was imprisoned for tax fraud and doing a 22-month stint.

• 49:52Speaker 04

  You know, about half as long as serial rapist Jimmy Highsmith got. She also suffered from hypertension and was on blood pressure medication. It is said that the only people who are guaranteed free healthcare in America are incarcerated people. That don't mean it's good healthcare. Not to get off on too much of a tangent here, but prison healthcare is a disaster, mostly due to staffing. Not just from lack of medical staff, but from lack of adequate amount of prison guards.

• 50:19Speaker 01

  They're doing a good job of keeping Gary Ridgway alive. It's like them and Bernie Madoff also lived for a real fucking long time. All these guys, they get great, some of them get good healthcare. I think the ones that are fucking, the big-name ones, get good healthcare.

• 50:33Speaker 03

  BTK's still going strong.

• 50:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude. Living life. That's crazy. Not looking great.

• 50:38Speaker 03

  No.

• 50:39Speaker 01

  He doesn't get as many peptides. Did he ever look great?

• 50:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:43Speaker 03

  Ed, do I have some photos to show you?

• 50:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude, let's jerk off. Let's fucking jerk off to the BTK bondage footage.

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• 55:16Speaker 04

  Well, one thing you were right about earlier, Henry, is that being a prison guard in Florida is kind of like a last resort job. Basically, they get paid about forty-five thousand dollars a year. And as Chris Rock put it so eloquently, uh, you get what you pay for.

• 55:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:31Speaker 04

  The turnover rate of medical staff in prisons is through the roof. With lack of enough guards, medical workers are often attacked themselves. So no inmate can see a medical professional without two guards getting them and bringing them to said medical professional, which is rarely a doctor themselves.

• 55:48Speaker 03

  Man, every medical procedural show in history always has that one episode.

• 55:53Speaker 04

  Always.

• 55:53Speaker 03

  Where it starts off and say, "Yeah, we got a patient coming in. He's a prisoner."

• 55:58Speaker 04

  It's always that.

• 56:00Speaker 03

  And there's always one person who's scared of him, and then by the end of it, they're advocating for them.

• 56:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, cuz he's like, you learn, he's like, "There was only so much I could do. He stole my mouse."

• 56:12Speaker 04

  So it's just the most, the most lovable prisoner you've ever met in your life.

• 56:18Speaker 03

  Either that or-

• 56:18Speaker 01

  "I just tried to save them from robbing the pet store, and the man fell down."

• 56:28Speaker 03

  Or it's the new way to do it is, uh, the guy's like, "I killed a man when I was seventeen. I'm fifty-three now."

• 56:36Speaker 04

  I've been talking my whole life.

• 56:37Speaker 03

  "I've never, you think you could maybe go to my old high school and give me a piece of cake from the cafeteria?"

• 56:44Speaker 01

  "You have your whole life thrown away for one mistake, Jennifer Lopez." "Yeah, you're right. It's me, numerous Jennifer Lopez, and I've got to say, the sad."

• 57:00Speaker 04

  That's my Jennifer Lopez impression. I wanted to get a better understanding of all this shit, so I hit up a nameless buddy of mine who used to work in the medical field inside of corrections. They said, "If you're sick, you put in a request to see a doctor, and then it could be days or even weeks before you're seen. Many people die waiting for healthcare. If you get shanked and you're in a rural hospital, two guards have to go with you in an ambulance to the hospital. And sometimes because of the rural locations of these prisons, that may be a three-hour ride to a hospital. Plus then hospitals have been known to overcharge the prisons once they get there."

• 57:39Speaker 01

  Hospitals overcharge any- Anybody that goes in, you think that they're gonna fucking draw the line at prisoners? Absolutely not.

• 57:49Speaker 03

  Oh god, once the federal government gets involved, then they're taking, or it's federal or state government.

• 57:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:54Speaker 03

  The hospitals taking them for as long of a ride as they can.

• 57:57Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 57:58Speaker 04

  All right, so let's say there's an extreme situation of a riot and many people are injured and stabbed. First, there's a total lockdown. No one gets seen during that time. Then hours later, they start to see patients, which is super cool when you have a puncture wound in your kidney. Now, also, I learned about something else that they called compassionate release.

• 58:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, they did it for what's her name, well, they tried to, from the Manson family.

• 58:24Speaker 04

  Uh, oh, yes, Susan Atkins.

• 58:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, they were trying to get her out for a while because she was dying of cancer.

• 58:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, you know, and, you know, if you're really sick, they release you so you can go die at home. I was happy to hear this. I needed a brighter side.

• 58:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:36Speaker 04

  Looking into all this shit. Turns out compassionate release can be used as a weapon to kill somebody that don't want to actually treat or can't afford to treat. Oh, it's gonna be expensive and a pain in the ass to give this person chemo? Let's release them. Then, once they're released, they're penniless with no health insurance. It's a legal death sentence through poverty and neglect.

• 58:56Speaker 01

  I just thought there was a way to give this to just the molesters. Right? Like, if there's a way to do this to just the, this is what I've been saying even before. It's just like, I feels like drug charges, that's the fucking, I can't even believe, like, tax fraud, fuck that, whatever, all that kind of shit. But once we're in the fucking and sucking of kids and all that stuff, I'd be like, I feel like that's fine. Yeah, I think it's fine. I think, like, fuck them, right? In a way, just for them, for those guys.

• 59:21Speaker 03

  I thought about this for myself, like, at the end, if I thought, like, okay, if I were to spend, you know, be alive in prison, you know, I'm in my 60s, I get cancer, and they say, like, either we can treat you with chemo and you can live another 10 years in prison, or you can die at home within a few months, I'd choose to die at home within a few months.

• 59:38Speaker 04

  Of course.

• 59:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 59:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, also, like, chemo could be just as bad. Also, it's not like prison's getting the good chemo. You know what I mean? Like, you're not getting the good stuff, you know? Like, it's not like that they're not, they're not caring, they're not, they're not putting up a video of Moana to calm you down. They're not doing any of that shit.

• 59:57Speaker 03

  That's true. That is true. It is the bad chemo.

• 1:00:00Speaker 04

  I know how calming Moana gets you.

• 1:00:04Speaker 01

  And so just taking my chemo, just been like, can I just take this home? I want to do my chemo in my house.

• 1:00:08Speaker 03

  That's probably one step away from antifreeze. Straighten your fucking face.

• 1:00:12Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:00:14Speaker 04

  Back to Latandra Ellington. She was in close contact with her aunt, Algarine. And her aunt recalls being petrified of Sergeant Q after the first report. After the second report, she was under constant surveillance. Her outgoing mail was read and no private phone calls. Someone would just stand over her while she made every call. Q was usually the person doing it, listening to every word that she was saying. Eventually, to let her aunt know what was happening to her, she sent out letters to her under another incarcerated person's name. In the letter, she stated that she saw Q and Officer Dustin Thrasher? Involved in abusing inmates? Although, they did not state exactly what she saw in those letters.

• 1:00:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm doing more of a slashing thing. So it's been a thrashing thing, I'm more of that of bashing. I do more bashing and slashing more than thrashing.

• 1:01:07Speaker 03

  Q and slash and Thrasher?

• 1:01:10Speaker 01

  And Officer Thrasher.

• 1:01:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:11Speaker 04

  These are our current bad guys.

• 1:01:13Speaker 03

  Officer Q, Officer Thrasher.

• 1:01:16Speaker 04

  In those letters, though, she detailed her fear of Q and mentioned that he threatened her. "He was gonna beat me to death and mess me like a dog," she said. "All in my face, grabbed his radio and threatened to bust me in the head with it," was a direct quote. Another inmate reported that she saw Q tell Latandra that he would get rid of her if she didn't drop the report. Sergeant Beran Bergner, who took the report from a crying and terrified Ellington, said that he was confronted by Curcioli and Thrasher and then said they were gonna take him out into the parking lot if he filed the report. Turns out Berger took himself out to the parking lot to get in his car and drive away, scared chinless.

• 1:01:58Speaker 03

  Bye bye!

• 1:02:01Speaker 03

  It was the scene from Dollmaker.

• 1:02:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:02Speaker 03

  I'll be back.

• 1:02:03Speaker 01

  I promise.

• 1:02:06Speaker 04

  When, uh, when Bergner got home, he realized that he forgot the binder the report was in on his desk. He panicked. He called the prison and asked a fellow employee to look for it. They said they couldn't find it. Bergner drove back to the prison in the middle of the night to look for it. It was mysteriously missing. He was truly scared of Q and Thrasher, so he went on a stress leave the next day. A week later, he saw Latandra's picture in the news, and he had a feeling he knew what happened.

• 1:02:33Speaker 01

  So it's Q, Thrasher, and Berger?

• 1:02:36Speaker 03

  Bergner. Bergner.

• 1:02:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, this, they are all, these are all characters from Sleepers.

• 1:02:40Speaker 04

  Yeah. Bergner is fine.

• 1:02:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:44Speaker 04

  He's just a pussy.

• 1:02:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's just a pussy. He just didn't want to, he didn't want to stick his neck out.

• 1:02:48Speaker 04

  Yeah. A little bit about Patrick Cursoli. Old Q is a steroid monster of a man covered in tats with a notorious temper. When he worked for Martin County Sheriff's Office, he got arrested for selling steroids back in 1994. He also admitting to using the drug while employed. His file had a letter from a sergeant that said that Cursoli had been repeatedly counseled and reprimanded, ignored department policy, manipulated the rules to benefit himself, and showed no respect for supervisors or authority. The steroid charges were dropped after he agreed to complete an 18-month drug prevention program. His law enforcement certification was suspended from 1994 to 1996, followed by a year of probation.

• 1:03:32Speaker 01

  Oh, he learned a lot in that little break.

• 1:03:34Speaker 04

  Yeah. You know, during that downtime, he was arrested again.

• 1:03:38Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:03:38Speaker 04

  On battery this time.

• 1:03:39Speaker 01

  Well, that was research on prisons.

• 1:03:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:03:41Speaker 01

  It's all about researching the prison system and what the prisoner goes through from intake through separation.

• 1:03:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, he beat a motorist in a road rage incident in Coral Gables.

• 1:03:51Speaker 01

  Oh, man, tell me about it. Fucking, God, I'm just...

• 1:03:56Speaker 04

  So before the department of Florida Department of Corrections rehired him in 2004, he said the steroids were fake and planted by a crazy ex-girlfriend.

• 1:04:04Speaker 01

  Crazy ex-girlfriend. You know how they they know what steroids are.

• 1:04:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, he said the road rage was self-defense.

• 1:04:10Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 1:04:11Speaker 04

  And they were in desperate need of guards, so they hired him.

• 1:04:14Speaker 03

  I think fake steroids planted by a crazy ex-girlfriend.

• 1:04:18Speaker 01

  It's a lot of stuff.

• 1:04:19Speaker 03

  Put a bunch of like syringes in his fucking duffel bag.

• 1:04:22Speaker 01

  He's steroid.

• 1:04:23Speaker 04

  He said they were oil and water.

• 1:04:25Speaker 01

  Oh, sure. And they don't test for that, obviously.

• 1:04:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, because that's usually how criminal convictions work is that if someone just writes steroids on a bottle.

• 1:04:33Speaker 01

  And puts it in your bag.

• 1:04:34Speaker 03

  And puts it in your bag, automatic conviction.

• 1:04:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, because they don't they don't test those things. They don't do that.

• 1:04:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:39Speaker 04

  Especially when you admit to doing it.

• 1:04:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:42Speaker 04

  So on October 1st, 2014, when Latandra didn't wake up, it appeared that she just died peacefully in her sleep. Her autopsy concluded that she died of natural causes. Now, there are so many nuanced moving parts here, and the Miami Herald did an amazing detailed report on it. Here are some of the highlights of the weird happening surrounding the death of Ms. Ellington. The Miami Herald were actually the ones who noticed something was wrong in her toxicology screening. That screening showed that she had a toxic level of Amlopine.

• 1:05:15Speaker 01

  Amlodepine?

• 1:05:16Speaker 03

  And lodapine.

• 1:05:17Speaker 04

  And lodapine, a blood pressure medication. It was in her system, eight times the normal amount.

• 1:05:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:23Speaker 04

  Also, her cell was not treated like a crime scene. There were no fingerprints taken, no DNA samples, nothing in the cell was processed. Officers and inmates who served Latandra meals were not interviewed, nor were inmate orderlies who worked in the area that morning. Latandra's cellmate, Jamie Shepherd, said Ellington questioned what drug she was being given the day before, and a nurse named Donna Weeks told her that they were, quote, "to a s" and something else. Her cellmate said that Latandra woke up that morning, ate breakfast and went back to sleep at 9 a.m. She thought everything was fine until Latandra started snoring louder than usual with her fists tightly clenched. Latandra was pronounced dead at 11:20 a.m.

• 1:06:08Speaker 04

  She was 36 years old.

• 1:06:10Speaker 03

  So they hot shot her basically with blood pressure medication?

• 1:06:13Speaker 04

  That's what it sounds like.

• 1:06:14Speaker 01

  To knock her out, to have her stop doing the report.

• 1:06:18Speaker 04

  Yeah. Even after all the evidence was found, Latandra Ellington's death was not investigated further. Kierseyoli, Thrasher and everyone else involved escaped legal action. Three months later, Kierseyoli and Thrasher were fired because they were unable to perform their duties. I did some digging to see what I could find out about old Patrick Kierseyoli was up to these days and he was interviewed on a motorcycle lovers blog. He loves his custom motorcycle that he rides while wearing his vintage German war helmet.

• 1:06:50Speaker 01

  That's what my father had as well.

• 1:06:52Speaker 04

  He had the war one helmet. That was very ironic.

• 1:06:58Speaker 03

  But I'm guessing that, you know, he's not going Kaiser.

• 1:07:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, he didn't have the point.

• 1:07:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, my dad had the point. Yeah, that's, that's kind of funny.

• 1:07:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, and that's going back to the Kaiser. That's some, I can see that. But yeah, if it's, but if it's, you know, other kinds of vintage, uh, world German.

• 1:07:15Speaker 04

  He's also on Facebook. Yeah, yeah. Where he thinks he's a photographer, but it just seems like he's really into distorted filters and AI images. But my favorite fact about the new Q, the new and improved Q is that he has multiple albums on Spotify where he cosplays as an indigenous Seminole flute player.

• 1:07:33Speaker 01

  You know, I will say, at least it's art. You know, I mean, it's race, it's race changing, but at least he's playing the flute.

• 1:07:43Speaker 03

  And we know it's him.

• 1:07:45Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:07:45Speaker 03

  So he knows.

• 1:07:46Speaker 04

  I like, I like triple check. It's definitely him.

• 1:07:49Speaker 01

  It's better, at least he's embraced art. You know what I mean? That's, that's a motorcycles and flute. You know, besides the racial parts of it. At least that's something nice.

• 1:08:00Speaker 03

  I mean, if we are talking about rehabilitation and turning lives around, maybe he did find some sort of solace, find some sort of peace.

• 1:08:07Speaker 01

  Be out of that.

• 1:08:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, be out of murdering inmates.

• 1:08:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, but he was never actually punished.

• 1:08:12Speaker 03

  Yes. No, no, he, yeah, but he didn't try.

• 1:08:14Speaker 01

  Punishment's enough. He lives in Ocala.

• 1:08:18Speaker 04

  All right, I promised you all a funnier story from Lowell Correctional Facility, so here it is. It's the story of Marie Dean Arrington.

• 1:08:25Speaker 03

  I really like this story.

• 1:08:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, Mean Marie was her nickname.

• 1:08:28Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:08:29Speaker 04

  And she was a bad mama bitch. She got that fun nickname because, uh, before she turned 40, she had been charged with over 60 crimes.

• 1:08:38Speaker 01

  Woo.

• 1:08:38Speaker 04

  She'd been found guilty of manslaughter and murder on two different victims, four years apart. She'd been sentenced to death, making her one of the only women in the country on death row.

• 1:08:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:50Speaker 04

  She then escaped from death row and began a three-year-long run from the law, where she would earn the distinction of being the, only the second woman in history to make the FBI's 10 Most Wanted list. And again, she accomplished all of this before the age of 40. What have you done with your life?

• 1:09:07Speaker 01

  I'm just a doctor. I'm just a lawyer doctor that, that does court during the day and surgeries at night.

• 1:09:17Speaker 03

  Who is the first? Was it Bonnie Parker?

• 1:09:19Speaker 04

  I have no idea.

• 1:09:19Speaker 03

  I would, well, cause that's, when you said it was the, she was the second, I figured it was one, it could have been Bonnie Parker, Ma Barker, uh, or Carol Ann Fugate, one of those three.

• 1:09:28Speaker 04

  It's the 60s, so whoever was before that.

• 1:09:30Speaker 03

  All three of those women were before that.

• 1:09:31Speaker 01

  Who was the other one, the Texas one, the?

• 1:09:33Speaker 03

  Uh, that's a, you're thinking of, uh, Carla Faye Tucker?

• 1:09:36Speaker 01

  That's who I'm thinking of.

• 1:09:36Speaker 03

  That's not until the 80s, late 80s, early 90s, but she, uh, was on death row as well.

• 1:09:42Speaker 04

  So Marie.

• 1:09:43Speaker 03

  I know my ladies.

• 1:09:43Speaker 01

  You know who's in the ladies of prison?

• 1:09:47Speaker 04

  Marie was born in Leesburg, Florida, 1933. And trust me when I say that is not the ideal place or time to be growing up as a young black woman.

• 1:09:57Speaker 01

  I did a movie in Leesburg.

• 1:09:59Speaker 04

  Oh, you did?

• 1:09:59Speaker 01

  It's one of the worst cities in the whole country.

• 1:10:01Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:10:02Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:10:03Speaker 03

  Did you play a young black woman?

• 1:10:04Speaker 01

  Yes. And honestly, I thought they'd like that more. I thought that they'd appreciate the black face. But it seemed to really, it's hard with the makeup because of the heat and humidity just kind of fell right off me.

• 1:10:19Speaker 04

  There's very little publicly available information about her childhood, except for that she dropped out of school in the sixth grade, which is pretty damn good for Leesburg, even these days.

• 1:10:28Speaker 01

  I'm pretty certain that, yeah, that the mayor didn't even graduate from elementary school. He was raised independently by just an entire church.

• 1:10:38Speaker 04

  Marie spent her twenties getting into a lot of trouble. Forgery, assault, larceny, robbery, passing bad checks, whatever she could do to make a buck to support her family. The timeline's a little unclear, but Marie definitely had children from a previous relationship and would later say in an interview that she would do anything for her kids, anything but murder. Keep that in mind. It's very important. In the business, we call this foreshadowing. When she was 23, Marie was working as a maid in a motel, making 75 cents an hour. One day, while scrubbing the floors, Marie had an epiphany. She realized she could make more money simply by robbing the motel.

• 1:11:20Speaker 01

  Hmm, there's all this money that I'm not getting.

• 1:11:24Speaker 04

  She robbed her boss and then staged a scene to make it look like she had also been a victim, tying herself to a chair. It was the perfect crime, except for the fact that Marie had been chain smoking the entire time as she was waiting for the cops to show up. And when they questioned her how she could smoke all these cigarettes with her hands tied up, she realized her master plan had been foiled and she confessed. Now, look, I should mention here that in order to fully enjoy the Marie Dean Arrington experiment, you're gonna have to suspend your disbelief a little bit, huh? A lot of the info on Marie comes from Marie herself, given in jailhouse interviews. And if Marie's criminal history tells us one thing, is that she's a habitual liar who cannot be trusted.

• 1:12:09Speaker 04

  So, if you're gonna sit there and ask, "Well, how could she tie both of her hands to the chair? How'd the cops know they were her cigarettes?" I can't help you. All of these anecdotes could be bullshit because they're coming from a notorious bullshitter. And I think that's kinda fun, actually.

• 1:12:24Speaker 03

  It is. I mean, it's even better. It's just, it's a window into the mind of this person and what they think other people will believe.

• 1:12:31Speaker 04

  Yeah. So, some parts of the story not up for debate, though, like, uh, the murder of Jack Arrington. In 1964, Jack was living the good life down in South Florida. He was a former police officer turned Miami nightclub bouncer, and he trained boxers on the side. You know, classic gentleman.

• 1:12:50Speaker 03

  Classic South Florida gentleman.

• 1:12:51Speaker 04

  Absolutely. It's a good job, probably trained with Jake LaMotta, who knows? He also had a highly toxic marriage with Marie, who was fully in the midst of her brat summer. Earlier that year, she had been charged with larceny and vehicle theft, and she might've had her sights set on something bigger. According to one of the boxers Jack trained, Marie told him that she was gonna kill Jack.

• 1:13:13Speaker 01

  Ladies always tell ya.

• 1:13:14Speaker 03

  Yeah. I'm gonna kill that.

• 1:13:16Speaker 01

  I'm gonna kill him. I'm gonna kill you. They tell you before they do it.

• 1:13:20Speaker 04

  About a month later, she did. On the 4th of July, 1964, Marie and Jack went to Bethune Beach. It was supposed to be a day of the three Fs: fun, fireworks, and frankfurters. But it turned tragic when Marie added in a fourth F: fucking murder.

• 1:13:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:39Speaker 04

  Marie and Jack got into an argument in the car. It turned physical. Eyewitness Nathaniel Powers testified that he approached the car to break them up when he saw Jack choking her. The timeline of what happens next doesn't make total sense, but again, you can't let the truth get in the way of a good story. As it goes, Nathaniel Powers got shot in the leg. No idea who fired that shot or why. Also, Jack Arrington got shot. The shooter on that one, not up for debate, it was Marie. As for the motive, her lawyer claimed self-defense. Marie claimed it was an accident. Take your pick. I think Marie might be a murderer.

• 1:14:17Speaker 04

  At the time, she should have just went with self-defense. Yeah.

• 1:14:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, because Nathaniel Powers said he saw Jack choking her.

• 1:14:25Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:14:26Speaker 01

  She could have done it.

• 1:14:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:14:27Speaker 01

  She's just too honest.

• 1:14:30Speaker 04

  At the time he was shot, Jack wasn't dead yet, but he was on his way. Marie left him there bleeding out and took off to her mother's home in Leesburg. The next day, she turned herself in to police, confessed to killing Jack. Well, you know. Yeah. Marie was charged with manslaughter. The state didn't pursue murder charges because they couldn't locate the weapon. Forty-seven years after the trial, Marie said in an interview that she'd snuck the gun in the Jack's casket and had been buried alongside of him. That's incredible.

• 1:14:58Speaker 03

  The best detail I've heard in fucking months. It's so good.

• 1:15:02Speaker 04

  The trial didn't last long. Despite Marie's testimony that Jack had hit her and the account of Nathaniel Powers that Jack had been choking her, the claims of self-defense fell on deaf ears. The jury deliberated for thirty-seven minutes, which I assume consisted of a half-hour lunch break, a six-minute recap of how good the lunch was, and then one minute for them all to agree that Marie was guilty. She was sentenced to twenty years in prison. Marie was going to spend two decades in the slammer and there was no way out. Unless, of course, she could come up with five hundred dollars. What? Yes. Marie appealed the conviction. And while the years-long appeals process was in motion, the judge decided to let her out

• 1:15:46Speaker 04

  on an appellate bond for a cool five hundred bucks. That's awesome. Yeah, remember when I mentioned the cartoonish ineptitude earlier? This is the Shit I was talking about.

• 1:15:58Speaker 01

  This is actually the first time we're seeing someone show mercy.

• 1:16:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, I it could have been that, uh, I mean, in these days, because we're talking in the early sixties here, sixty four.

• 1:16:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, it it's quite possible that, you know, she was a black woman facing an all white jury.

• 1:16:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:11Speaker 03

  Uh, and the judge may have had some sympathy and been like, okay, well, let's see what she does.

• 1:16:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. You know, it makes sense to like, at the time, too, there was like a whole thing about women don't really commit these crimes. Too, like an idea of like, oh, you know, who knows with this, we'll let her out. She's not gonna go do a bunch of other crimes if we let her out.

• 1:16:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:16:32Speaker 01

  Women are weak.

• 1:16:33Speaker 04

  You know, they let her out and she was on her best behavior. Unfortunately, the same could not be said for a couple of her kids. Who were running afoul of the law. On July sixth, nineteen sixty seven, nineteen year old Lloyd Dean. And three of his friends set out to rob the Eastern Oil Gas Station in Leesburg, Florida. The plan was simple. Lloyd and Eddie Daly would enter the station, rob the cashier at gunpoint. And two other boys would act as lookouts. Then the boys would split the millions of dollars and party forever. The cashier, Herman P. Lane, refused to give up the money. It was unclear which one of the boys had the gun, but they didn't have it for long because Herman P. Lane wrestled it away for them while screaming.

• 1:17:15Speaker 04

  You done fucked with the wrong gas station cashier tonight, boys. Herman P. Lane ain't the one.

• 1:17:22Speaker 01

  Something like that.

• 1:17:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:17:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's the type of shit you scream when you're wrestling and it's gone away from a teenager.

• 1:17:27Speaker 04

  I'm the one, I'm the one. After Lane disarmed one robber and the other punched him in the head, the boys managed to get forty dollars and fled the area on foot. They were not caught and the end result was a hard earned pair of twenties to be split four ways.

• 1:17:45Speaker 03

  Ten bucks each.

• 1:17:46Speaker 01

  Not enough.

• 1:17:47Speaker 03

  Nineteen sixty, even in nineteen sixty seven, ten dollars for armed robberies, not a lot, not a lot.

• 1:17:52Speaker 01

  Ain't the best, but you know, you're a couple beers.

• 1:17:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:17:55Speaker 04

  Well. It didn't pay for long, unfortunately. A short while later, Marie's seventeen year old daughter, Francina Dean, got arrested for passing bad checks at a public supermarket. Rookie mistake. Every Floridian knows good checks go to Publix, bad ones go to Windexy.

• 1:18:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, cuz they check Publix checks. That's good, we still know that.

• 1:18:15Speaker 04

  While being questioned about the crime, Francina offered up information on the Eastern Oil robbery, giving police the name of Daley and Shawn Brown, one of the lookouts. She admitted her brother Lloyd's name. As soon as Daley and Brown were brought in for questioning, they ratted on Lloyd Dean immediately.

• 1:18:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:33Speaker 04

  He responded by blaming everything on them, saying he didn't partake in the robbery. He just showed up after it already happened, although he did admit to sharing in on the profits because when someone has a crisp Alexander Hamilton with your name on it, what are you gonna do, not take it?

• 1:18:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's full of $10.

• 1:18:49Speaker 04

  Yeah. So both of Marie Dean Arrington's kids are now on trial, and things didn't go well for either of them. Seventeen-year-old Francina was sentenced to two years in prison despite public defender Bob Pierce arguing that she was just a kid who was raised in a bad environment, a statement that I'm sure Marie was thrilled to hear.

• 1:19:06Speaker 01

  I mean, let's just say Marie's not the, she's not a mom first.

• 1:19:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, I like her, but I don't wanna ever know her.

• 1:19:14Speaker 01

  No, yeah, I like the energy.

• 1:19:17Speaker 04

  Lloyd was also represented by Bob Pierce, and the results of his trial were frickin' disastrous. Daley got 10 years probation, maybe a little harsh for a $40 robbery where no one got hurt, but pretty reasonable overall, no prison time. Brown was a minor, so he got sent to juvie detention. And then there's Lloyd, who got, I shit you not, life in prison.

• 1:19:39Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:19:40Speaker 04

  For this fucking robbery. The judge was no doubt swayed by a pre-sentencing report that argued that Lloyd Dean was in danger of following in the footsteps of his criminal mother.

• 1:19:51Speaker 01

  This is the shit, shit like this still happens.

• 1:19:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, more than ever.

• 1:19:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, man.

• 1:19:55Speaker 03

  It included. Legalized slavery.

• 1:19:57Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, man. It included testimony from his grandmother that said she tried to raise him right, but that Lloyd didn't know the difference between right and wrong, and she was hoping for a harsh sentence to teach him a lesson, that old shitty bitch that she was.

• 1:20:10Speaker 01

  I think like five years is a little harsh. Lesson.

• 1:20:13Speaker 04

  One's fine.

• 1:20:14Speaker 01

  You know, I think that's enough. I think that would be enough.

• 1:20:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, one, yeah, one's alright.

• 1:20:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:21Speaker 03

  Life in prison, fuck me.

• 1:20:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, Marie Dean Arrington was fucking pissed off about this situation. MDA was MAD. Her kids were both locked up with egregiously excessive penalties. She was getting dunked on left and right in court. Bob Pierce blamed her for Francina writing bad checks. Whoever wrote the pre-sentencing report used her as a way to advocate for Lloyd doing life behind bars. And so I ask you at this moment, what would you do? What would you do if you're Marie?

• 1:20:50Speaker 03

  Murder?

• 1:20:51Speaker 01

  Go ape shit.

• 1:20:54Speaker 04

  Bottom line, Marie was determined to get her money's worth out of that $500 appeals bond. She set out on a poorly planned revenge tour. Stop one was Bob Pierce's office. She felt that he had done a poor job defending her two kids and she was gonna let him know by killing his fuck ass. Problem is, Bob Pierce wasn't in the office that day. Turns out, sometimes lawyers are in court.

• 1:21:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:17Speaker 04

  So Marie did the only logical thing. She kidnapped Bob's secretary, a woman named Vivian Ritter.

• 1:21:23Speaker 01

  Can I just say, if you're going to do a bunch of murder, don't kidnap anybody. It's a fucking hassle.

• 1:21:27Speaker 03

  It really is. Yeah, and especially if you're going to murder, don't pivot to kidnapping.

• 1:21:30Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:21:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, you, you, stick with the plan.

• 1:21:32Speaker 01

  Come back, murder the guy when he's there.

• 1:21:35Speaker 04

  Just be like, oh, I was checking in and seeing, you know, how everything's been, sorry about what happened to my children.

• 1:21:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:39Speaker 04

  See you in a couple, when's, when, when's Bob gonna be back?

• 1:21:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:42Speaker 04

  So Vivian's disappearance had Leesburg on edge. Two days after her abduction, they found her car. The trunk was covered in blood. Police brought Marie in for questioning, but she had an alibi. At the time of the abduction, she said she was out fishing with her cousin Ellie. Cousin Ellie was all like, don't get me wrapped up in your bullshit, and denied the claim. Upon further questioning, Marie admitted that she had not been fishing on that fateful day, and that she had gone to Bob Pierce's office. But while she was there, her and Vivian Ritter were both abducted. Good story! In her news story, the abductors drove both of them out to an orange grove and then decided to let Marie go, driving her back to Leesburg and saying that if she said anything, they'd kill her.

• 1:22:27Speaker 04

  Marie led police back to the orange grove where they would later find Vivian's body. Fuck! I bet that's

• 1:22:34Speaker 03

  Nancy Goprius.

• 1:22:35Speaker 01

  Nah dude, nah, she's in Jalisco way. I actually think she might be in Cabo. Enjoying the rays of the sun and having margaritas.

• 1:22:45Speaker 04

  God, how happy would you be if it was just a finally a picture of her just sucking on a margarita?

• 1:22:51Speaker 01

  Like just her like middle finger, just like fuck all y'all. I hated my daughter too, you know, like that would be amazing. I'd love that for her, but that's, that's not what happened.

• 1:23:00Speaker 03

  I think we're gonna find her in a small Eastern European village wearing a boschka.

• 1:23:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, like a mustache and there's being like. My name is Gunka Burskarski.

• 1:23:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, no memory.

• 1:23:09Speaker 01

  And Nancy, and Nancy is gone.

• 1:23:13Speaker 03

  All the genetics are gonna match. All the testing is gonna match. It's definitely, everything's gonna say it's gonna be Nancy Goprius.

• 1:23:19Speaker 01

  I am Nushka Mamonski. No, I go to the war. I make sandwich for the Ukraine boys.

• 1:23:33Speaker 01

  Pay me with their loving. All the Ukraine boys come and fuck and suck me after I make them soup and sandwich.

• 1:23:42Speaker 03

  In a kinder world.

• 1:23:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:43Speaker 03

  That's Nancy. That's where we would be right now.

• 1:23:47Speaker 04

  So after they found Vivian Ritter at the Orange Grove, they searched Marie's home and found all sorts of ransom notes saying that if her children were not released from jail, she would dismember Ritter and then send police body parts one by one. In the notes, she also threatened to kill the wife of Troy Hall, the judge who handed down Lloyd Dean's life sentence. She did not kill the judge's wife, although his house had been broken into a few days prior, but nobody was home. So old mean Marie instead decided to take a shit on his floor.

• 1:24:20Speaker 01

  That's what I'd do.

• 1:24:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, as George Clinton would say, she got that dog in her.

• 1:24:26Speaker 01

  That's a naughty dog.

• 1:24:27Speaker 03

  But so she wrote all these notes, but never sent any of them?

• 1:24:30Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:24:30Speaker 01

  Nah.

• 1:24:31Speaker 04

  Their follow through wasn't the best.

• 1:24:33Speaker 03

  Bad follow through.

• 1:24:33Speaker 01

  She's just not a super type A.

• 1:24:35Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:24:37Speaker 04

  So unsurprisingly, Marie's second trial didn't go much better than her first. Despite eyewitness testimony that seemed to support Marie's theory of a third abductor and a handwriting expert saying that he couldn't link the notes to Marie, she was found guilty after the all-white jury deliberated for a few hours. On December 6, 1968, she was sentenced to death by electric chair. Marie was sent to Lowell Correctional Facility, remember that place? To await death. Despite pleas from the prosecutor that she was very dangerous and needed to be in a maximum-security environment, she was placed in a minimum-security hospital room. Cartoonish ineptitude strikes again. So, what's she supposed to do now? Not escape?

• 1:25:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:25:22Speaker 04

  You obviously don't know Marie Dean Arrington, my friend. As far as prison escapes go, though, this wasn't exactly Shawshank Redemption. She simply lit some matches and melted the screen window enough so she could break through it.

• 1:25:35Speaker 03

  That's amazing.

• 1:25:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, you heard that right. She had a screen window.

• 1:25:39Speaker 03

  And it's not even, not even a metal screen window.

• 1:25:42Speaker 01

  That's amazing.

• 1:25:43Speaker 03

  Not even aluminum screen window.

• 1:25:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's great for keeping out skeeters, but bad for keeping in mean Marie's, I'll tell you that much. She rolled up some blankets to look like a sleeping body, then she ran, hopped over a couple barbed-wire fences and was gone. All in all, it was a prison escape that was easier than your average American Ninja Warrior course.

• 1:26:02Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:26:03Speaker 01

  Far easier.

• 1:26:03Speaker 04

  Cops showed up with bloodhounds hours later and found nothing. It was like she flew out of here, the prison superintendent exclaimed like a total dumbass. And just like that, Marie Dean Arrington was on the lam. The public defender and the judge were on high alert, thinking that she'd come back to finish the job.

• 1:26:22Speaker 01

  That's like Jason Voorhees.

• 1:26:24Speaker 04

  Yeah. She stayed gone, somehow getting to New Orleans and starting a new life as a diner waitress named Lola Nero.

• 1:26:33Speaker 03

  Now, that's a fucking assumed name.

• 1:26:34Speaker 04

  I love her.

• 1:26:35Speaker 03

  Assumed name.

• 1:26:36Speaker 04

  Anyone's like, my name's Lola Nero, it's like, that's not your name.

• 1:26:39Speaker 01

  You're whatever, okay? What are you running from?

• 1:26:41Speaker 03

  If it is their name, though, they do have to call every man big boy.

• 1:26:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. Hey, adult.

• 1:26:46Speaker 03

  Hey, that big boy, name's Lola Nero.

• 1:26:49Speaker 01

  He wants some grats.

• 1:26:50Speaker 04

  Especially like 68, New Orleans.

• 1:26:53Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:26:55Speaker 04

  Well, she kept tabs on the search for Marie Dean Arrington and took a sense of pride when the FBI made her the second woman ever on their most wanted list. She also mailed some threatening materials to the judge, but otherwise kept her nose clean. Her daughter Francina got out of prison. Her initial two-year sentence was extended after they tacked on an additional charges. Forget this, attempting to escape.

• 1:27:18Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:27:19Speaker 04

  Marie was sure that any day she was gonna get caught, but lasted for three years before the feds finally tracked her down. She was brought back to Florida and given additional 10 years on top of her death sentence. But about that death sentence, it never happened. Turns out, Marie had unwittingly saved her life.

• 1:27:40Speaker 01

  That's awesome.

• 1:27:40Speaker 04

  Because shortly after she was put back on death row, the landmark case of Furman versus Georgia ruled that the death penalty was unconstitutional and invalidated the death sentences of nearly 700 people nationwide, including Mean Marie. Her sentence was changed to life in prison plus 10 years, even after Florida became the first state to institute a new death penalty that met more rigorous requirements set forth in the Furman case. They couldn't go back and retroactively give the death penalty to any Floridians in the original 700. So instead of getting the chair at 40 years old, Marie died of natural causes at 80, like a friggin' champ.

• 1:28:21Speaker 01

  She beat the state of Florida.

• 1:28:23Speaker 04

  She really did. Not many people do. I mean, she still died in prison.

• 1:28:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But she didn't die in the chair.

• 1:28:28Speaker 04

  That's right. So, before we wrap up, I don't wanna, I gotta jump back in the Bummerville for two seconds, which could be an alternate name for Ocala. Bummerville, Florida. But currently, Ron DeSantis is on an execution tear. In 2025, Florida executed 19 people, which is more than any year in the state's history, and 40% of the entire nation's executions. Florida uses a system where the governor decides who is executed and when, based on a criteria that isn't public. The state is currently on pace to repeat last year's numbers. Also, the laws were recently changed that capital punishment no longer has to be a unanimous

• 1:29:12Speaker 04

  decision by the jury, and a death sentence can be given to someone with a vote of eight to four. Fucking nuts.

• 1:29:20Speaker 04

  It can be assumed that our dumpy governor is doing this because he's about to term out. And wants to kill as many people as possible, so he could run for president again on his usual tough on crime platform. Fuck you, Ronnie. That's the end of this. Yeah, fuck him.

• 1:29:36Speaker 03

  And I did find out who the first woman on the top 10 most wanted list was. Ruth Isman Sheer. I'd actually, I'd never heard of her before. Uh, but the reason why, uh, those other women were not on the list, except for maybe, I think Caroline Fugit. Is that the most wanted list was not created until 1950.

• 1:29:55Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:29:57Speaker 03

  Actually, I think when Bonnie Parker was going and Ma Barker, I don't think the FBI was even officially, uh, a, um, I don't think the FBI was officially, uh, established at that point in history.

• 1:30:07Speaker 04

  Really?

• 1:30:07Speaker 03

  I don't think so. I can't, I can't remember. I, I can't remember. I think the, I think Bonnie and Clyde helped to create the FBI. Like it led to, it led to the creation of the FBI.

• 1:30:18Speaker 04

  Oh, the highwaymen.

• 1:30:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, that, yeah, the highwaymen. They are, that, that incredibly mediocre movie.

• 1:30:24Speaker 04

  Oh, God, it is.

• 1:30:26Speaker 01

  It was supposed to be so good.

• 1:30:26Speaker 03

  It was somebody, it was Woody Harrelson, fucking Kevin Costner chasing Bonnie and Clyde. So this is gonna be awesome. It's, I've never seen a movie that I could describe as aggressively mediocre.

• 1:30:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, it really was. You know what's good though? Uh, A Perfect World.

• 1:30:40Speaker 03

  Perfect World's great.

• 1:30:41Speaker 01

  It is a good movie.

• 1:30:42Speaker 03

  And that was actually, uh, filmed right around where I grew up. It was filmed, yeah, it was filmed, uh, in a town called Aspermont. And we have, uh, listeners out in Aspermont, so hey, hey, to all you Aspermonter, all you Asper, all you Aspermont Hornets out there. Come on.

• 1:30:57Speaker 01

  I think that Kevin Costner is best in Dances of Wolves. That's his best boring best performance. You know what I mean?

• 1:31:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:31:03Speaker 01

  That's when his, that's when his boring was really good for the movie.

• 1:31:08Speaker 04

  I just always hate that movie because it beat Goodfellas.

• 1:31:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:10Speaker 04

  Which it's not.

• 1:31:12Speaker 01

  It's fine. Mort Skaaf says he doesn't, he doesn't need all these Oscars. He has us.

• 1:31:15Speaker 04

  You're right.

• 1:31:16Speaker 01

  He did get Oscars, which.

• 1:31:19Speaker 01

  But really good job, buddy.

• 1:31:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's great. Thank you.

• 1:31:21Speaker 04

  Shout out to Pat Barker for helping me write this, man.

• 1:31:24Speaker 01

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  I'm gonna be there.

• 1:32:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, Henry's gonna be there. We're gonna have some fun. I also got a couple other special guests lined up. It's gonna be a fucking blast. I love this show.

• 1:33:03Speaker 01

  Alright, fuckers. Good work.

• 1:33:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, good work for you guys, too.

• 1:33:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, thank you.

• 1:33:07Speaker 01

  Hail Satan still.

• 1:33:10Speaker 03

  Hail Gene. I guess still.

• 1:33:12Speaker 04

  Yeah. Hail Mean Marie.

• 1:33:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, she's a murderer, but she's a double murderer. She's not a good person, but she's a fun phenomenal story.

• 1:33:22Speaker 04

  She's a fun lady.

• 1:33:27Speaker 05

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