Pod Insights Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang “Washingtonian” (w/ Brandi Carlile) About this episode Well, fishing season is upon us! And you know what that means; it's time for Brandi Carlile on Las Culturistas! But, honestly? Wow. The bonafide superstar and truly great artist joins Matt + Bowen to discuss discovering gay life and dating in Seattle, how shameless dramatic grunge and rock and roll influenced her sound and the fact that Grey's Anatomy really did change it all. Also, hanging out with Joni Mitchell while she rips into the pop girlies, queer culture intersecting with country music in the 90's in a huge way, and what Brandi thinks about what's happening in our seas, globally. All this, a condemnation of high-five dodgers, what it's like to date British and the time she was summoned to the table-side of one Mariah Carey to fix her bra strap. Stream Returning To Myself. See Come See Me In The Good Light. Attend Girls Just Wanna. LIVE Brandi Carlile. xoxox
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0:56 Speaker 04 Look, Matt. Where? Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes. Oh, my goodness. Wow. Las Culturistas.
1:06 Speaker 02 Ding dong, Las Culturistas calling.
1:09 Speaker 01 We're quickly off to the races with our guest.
1:11 Speaker 02 I'm wearing my Hijira hat.
1:13 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:14 Speaker 02 And just as a tribute to the, just for the Joanie connection. And I've, gosh, it feels crazy to look across at our guest as if she's an old friend.
1:25 Speaker 01 Well, here's the thing. I was thinking, while last night I'm sort of like zoning in for the episode and like consuming, consuming, consuming, and I'm thinking, potential most talented person we've had on the chair.
1:36 Speaker 02 I don't think it's potential.
1:37 Speaker 01 No, I'm not kidding because I was, I actually texted our vocal coach, Doug Pack, about it. And I was like, can we talk about the voice of our, of our guest? And he was like, well, the word is fearless.
1:49 Speaker 02 Well, this is fearless, singing all your fucking songs in the original key. You're crazy.
1:57 Speaker 01 You are crazy. But we haven't even spoken, we haven't even breached that with our guest because we're too busy talking about going on vacation on a boat and going on vacation to the mouse house.
2:09 Speaker 02 And she's an expert at both. I just, I can't believe I got to tell this person. This is what I breached, broached with her.
2:15 Speaker 01 Breached, broached.
2:17 Speaker 02 Last song I listened to, and I've told you this probably a million times. I will remind you, last song that was playing in the car, and I intentionally played it before my mom dropped me off to the airport before I went to school in New York.
2:29 Speaker 01 Was it The Story?
2:29 Speaker 02 It was not The Story, but it was off the album.
2:31 Speaker 01 Okay.
2:31 Speaker 02 Cannonball.
2:32 Speaker 01 Ooh!
2:33 Speaker 02 So good.
2:34 Speaker 01 I will never forget being a 19-year-old singing, "All of these lines across my face," I'm 19, "tell you the story," and I'm just like, sort of giving this like, really like, just world-weary. Cause of course, you know, Grey's Anatomy opened the door.
2:50 Speaker 02 Of course.
2:50 Speaker 01 Like, millions of gays.
2:53 Speaker 02 A Sarah Ramirez, an underrated Sarah Ramirez singer.
2:56 Speaker 01 Shout out to you!
2:57 Speaker 02 Shout out to Sarah. Um, okay, but anyway, I've told her guests this. Since then, she is, she's inadvertently started the queer sort of commune that we will all be living in, in a post-apocalyptic world.
3:11 Speaker 01 Yeah.
3:11 Speaker 02 She's building the mess hall, she's buil- she's building the dining hall now.
3:14 Speaker 01 11 Grammy Awards, two Emmy Awards, an Oscar nomination, don't forget about that one.
3:19 Speaker 02 Everyone, well, she's a fucking legend, everyone welcome.
3:22 Speaker 01 Stunning talent. Brandi Carlile!
3:26 Speaker 05 Hey!
3:27 Speaker 02 Hey, girl!
3:28 Speaker 05 Hey, you guys!
3:31 Speaker 01 We wanna know, you said you're fresh from Disney.
3:33 Speaker 05 Yeah.
3:34 Speaker 01 What are the vibes?
3:35 Speaker 05 Oh, really good.
3:36 Speaker 01 Really good.
3:36 Speaker 05 Unbelievable.
3:37 Speaker 01 Cause you do it with the guide and you sort of, you get your, your dinner, dining reservations ahead.
3:42 Speaker 05 Exactly, and then you just regress for 12 hours.
3:45 Speaker 02 Who's there? Are the twins there? Are the kids there?
3:47 Speaker 05 Usually the twins, always the kids.
3:48 Speaker 02 Always the kids.
3:49 Speaker 05 Nowadays, yeah. Our mushroom days at Disney are over, but they did exist.
3:53 Speaker 01 They did exist, and they're fun when they last.
3:55 Speaker 05 Yeah.
3:56 Speaker 01 Yeah.
3:56 Speaker 05 Yeah.
3:57 Speaker 02 But, did you hit up Universal as well?
4:00 Speaker 05 No, I, we do the California's Great Adventure. We hit that up, and then we do Disney, and I tried to do Pirates of the Caribbean four or five times.
4:08 Speaker 01 And is that because there's so much to see?
4:10 Speaker 05 It's nostalgia. I didn't go to Disneyland like, till I was 21. 21 was my first trip to, as an adult, with like, my much older girlfriend.
4:18 Speaker 01 Much older.
4:19 Speaker 05 Much older.
4:20 Speaker 01 So she was like, "I wanna show you something."
4:21 Speaker 05 Exactly, it's so for the 20s!
4:25 Speaker 01 She's like, I gotta show you something you've never seen. Oh, God.
4:28 Speaker 05 Disneyland. Yeah, it's so predatory.
4:32 Speaker 01 Was it a lot of older women in the beginning?
4:34 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah. I mean, only.
4:35 Speaker 01 Yeah.
4:35 Speaker 05 Only, yeah.
4:36 Speaker 02 This is what people don't realize.
4:38 Speaker 05 Yeah.
4:40 Speaker 02 See, Matt and I even come from, did you ever do, were you ever a Craigslist guy?
4:43 Speaker 01 No, I never did Craigslist.
4:45 Speaker 05 Oh, can you tell me what that is?
4:46 Speaker 02 Oh, so you did Craigslist, the sort of, um, the listings, the classifieds of the internet.
4:52 Speaker 05 Right, right.
4:53 Speaker 02 But there was a personal section.
4:55 Speaker 05 Okay, okay, yeah.
4:55 Speaker 02 Where it was M for M, M for F, F for M, F for F, T for T, TM for T, like, what, it really was like a big tent for whatever, whatever you wanted. And it would be people there being like, a non guy, it was, it was just, it was just where you went before the Grindr days.
5:14 Speaker 01 Yeah.
5:14 Speaker 02 And before the, and it was like, we were in a desert.
5:19 Speaker 01 It was a place of finding.
5:21 Speaker 02 It was a place of finding.
5:22 Speaker 05 Yeah.
5:22 Speaker 02 And so, I feel like, there was a long, there was a while where I felt like I was identifying as like, well, I guess I'm just dating older men. Even though that never really, that was, that didn't really come to pass. It was just like, well, it's just, the, the people that I'm like, gravitating towards are like the older.
5:39 Speaker 05 And what age were you when it was like that?
5:40 Speaker 02 Oh, my God, like, 19, like, not, not good news.
5:44 Speaker 05 I would have considered it like a description of type for me.
5:47 Speaker 01 Yeah.
5:47 Speaker 02 Really?
5:47 Speaker 05 Yeah, like, almost like its own orientation.
5:51 Speaker 01 How much older?
5:53 Speaker 05 I mean, the, the one, um, like, at least 10 years.
5:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
5:58 Speaker 05 But 15, awesome, and maybe anywhere under 20 would be like, between 15, 20 would be like, really excellent.
6:04 Speaker 02 Sure. I, gosh, do we, is there a different, is there a different, is there a different math to it with lesbians?
6:12 Speaker 05 I'm, I'm not exactly sure. I think it's linked to like, profession.
6:16 Speaker 02 Yeah.
6:16 Speaker 01 Really? Is that so?
6:18 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah, like, we were talking about boat captains, or like, police officers, or like, firefighters. It could just be me I'm talking about. But I remember going to the Pride parades in Seattle, like, on Broadway.
6:30 Speaker 02 Yeah.
6:30 Speaker 05 In the 90s, and just standing on the, the sidelines with these baby dykes, just like. Losing my mind over like the cops when they would walk through.
6:37 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, and authority figures.
6:40 Speaker 05 Sort of, or just like, yeah, and they had to be just kind of like dyky and awesome and had like warm and evolved and do you know what I mean? Well traveled and it was just like, it was kind of a way to like maybe finish getting raised in some ways like.
6:53 Speaker 02 Yeah.
6:54 Speaker 01 They saw the old soul in you too.
6:56 Speaker 05 Yeah, I think so.
6:57 Speaker 01 Yeah.
6:58 Speaker 02 Cause when were you going into the city? When were you going to Seattle to like be with your, with your fellow queers?
7:05 Speaker 05 As soon as I could. Like I didn't get a driver's license till really quite late. But I would get rides like to the city and I would go busk at Pike Place Market. And then I would go and take my busking money up to like Broadway and you know, sit in the outside of the gay bar where I could, you know, have like a mocktail.
7:25 Speaker 02 Yeah.
7:25 Speaker 05 You know, and, and just watch gay people like live their lives. Cause I didn't meet a, a gay person until after I came out of the closet. I never knew one.
7:36 Speaker 02 So then, and this is such a naive question. So then like what is, what is your way of like knowledge with your, with your, with your gayness without a, a person there to like mirror that or like, or like download something into you?
7:51 Speaker 05 I think it was a combination of like, uh, just a cultural recognition of gayness in, in music and, and film and television. And then also just like puberty kicking in and realizing I was thinking about kissing girls.
8:06 Speaker 02 Yeah, of course. What am I saying?
8:08 Speaker 01 How did you know?
8:09 Speaker 05 The combination of both of those two things.
8:11 Speaker 01 No, but I think the, the, the, the interest element of it is like also we're just dying to talk to people about the things that we love.
8:20 Speaker 05 Even now.
8:20 Speaker 01 Yeah. That's kind of why we even have this.
8:23 Speaker 05 Yeah. I love this.
8:25 Speaker 01 It's, it's like, it's like. It's never hard to like, talk to people about what they love and that is, it's like when you're that age, you're just dying to be seen and what you've been told or what you've been feeling is like a niche thing.
8:40 Speaker 05 Yeah.
8:40 Speaker 01 You know, and then you can say the name of these artists and like, you can say like, whatever it is and it, they have the discography as well. And it's like, okay, my people.
8:50 Speaker 05 Yeah, and these little dog whistles and breadcrumbs and the whole thing. And then, you know, your friend group gets kind of based on that or built on that and becomes like your personality in a way.
9:00 Speaker 01 Yeah.
9:01 Speaker 05 Yeah, that's how I felt.
9:02 Speaker 01 Seattle is such a great city. Like, we went, we went, the first time we ever went, we did, it was like an I don't think so honey live show. And the, the space was, um, was it all ages?
9:15 Speaker 02 It was an all ages venue.
9:16 Speaker 01 And it was dry.
9:17 Speaker 02 And it was dry.
9:18 Speaker 01 And it was like, and it was, it was, I, we left the show, which was bad, and we were like, Seattle?
9:25 Speaker 02 No.
9:25 Speaker 01 Kind of sucks.
9:26 Speaker 02 No, no.
9:27 Speaker 01 Now that I've gone back, I'm like, Seattle rocks. No, no, every time I do my show there, it's always the best show. Like, I come back every time being like, Seattle has it.
9:37 Speaker 02 And I need to wipe my slate clean from, because I haven't been back to Seattle since.
9:42 Speaker 01 You must return.
9:44 Speaker 02 Since 2019. And the weather was bad. You know, it's always all these things. And I was like, I need to go back and like, really experience it.
9:51 Speaker 05 Well, Seattle is like the older lesbian. Like, she makes you earn it. You have to go back. Like, we're almost Canadian in that way. We're not gonna show you our cards like all at once. You know, you have to come back two or three times and then maybe, you know.
10:04 Speaker 01 Seattle doesn't chase you.
10:05 Speaker 05 No.
10:05 Speaker 01 No.
10:06 Speaker 05 Seattle.
10:06 Speaker 01 Seattle, Seattle has, actually, that's a real culture number 10. Seattle doesn't chase you. You chase Seattle. But Seattle has actually given you so much when you think about it, because not only this, not only all this like, formative experience and culture and like your musical beginnings and so much, but also Seattle being the setting of Grey's Anatomy.
10:26 Speaker 05 Yes.
10:27 Speaker 01 How many gay men and young women are like, I found you because of the story being on Grey's.
10:33 Speaker 05 All of them.
10:34 Speaker 01 Yeah.
10:34 Speaker 02 Really?
10:34 Speaker 05 Everyone.
10:35 Speaker 01 That was how I did it.
10:36 Speaker 05 Yeah. And it wasn't just the story, the story was like the fourth, third or fourth song.
10:41 Speaker 01 Yeah, you were up in the soundtrack.
10:42 Speaker 05 Yeah, and even now, Grace, like, I feel like, um, like I'm alumni of like, when I see the cast, like when we're, it's like, this is a thing that happened. I'm so glad you guys realize this.
10:53 Speaker 02 Yeah, because they would use your songs in all the promo. What was the album before the story? Um, cause I, cause it was, it was like, it was like pre-story. I was like, oh, there's this like amazing singer, Brandi Carlile, and then, yeah, and then shit like blew up.
11:05 Speaker 05 Yeah, there was a few songs and there were, there were a couple of songs. I even went in and recorded just for Grey's Anatomy.
11:11 Speaker 02 Uh huh.
11:12 Speaker 05 Yeah.
11:13 Speaker 01 I mean, they also, like, they were noted for having like the best soundtrack on, on television.
11:17 Speaker 02 Alec Pizzaves, now she's the head of music at Netflix.
11:20 Speaker 05 Yeah.
11:20 Speaker 02 She was the music supervisor for Grey's and she was the music supervisor for the, for the OC.
11:24 Speaker 05 Yeah.
11:24 Speaker 02 She just, she.
11:25 Speaker 05 She's cool as hell, too.
11:26 Speaker 02 She's cool as fuck.
11:27 Speaker 01 Oh, she did the OC too? I was gonna say that.
11:29 Speaker 05 I would have wanted to date her.
11:30 Speaker 02 Yeah.
11:32 Speaker 05 That's who I would have wanted to date.
11:33 Speaker 02 She would have taken you to Disneyland.
11:34 Speaker 05 I think so.
11:35 Speaker 02 As many times as you wanted.
11:36 Speaker 05 Like at 20, not just 21.
11:39 Speaker 01 Do you know ER, Fight Master?
11:41 Speaker 05 No.
11:42 Speaker 01 So they were on Grey's Anatomy for years. They were playing like the first non-binary.
11:46 Speaker 02 Resident?
11:47 Speaker 01 Resident there for years. You, and they're also a musician.
11:50 Speaker 05 Okay.
11:50 Speaker 01 No, you, that's a good connect.
11:51 Speaker 05 Okay, great.
11:52 Speaker 01 That's a good spiritual connect.
11:53 Speaker 02 It's a good spiritual connection.
11:54 Speaker 01 Yeah.
11:55 Speaker 02 But I feel like this is, you, you sort of like still have this, even though I feel like you've always had this like grunge, like quality to the music, I feel like you never have to like claim it or like, sort of like, brandish it too much because it's just like, you are like a Washingtonian. And like, it's like, I feel like.
12:20 Speaker 05 This is making me feel so good right now.
12:21 Speaker 02 Really?
12:22 Speaker 05 Yes, like, cause I can't tell you.
12:24 Speaker 01 Washingtonian title of app.
12:25 Speaker 02 Washingtonian.
12:25 Speaker 05 Just that you're like, you're acknowledging or noticing that those elements of grunge and like My City and just kind of like shameless, dramatic rock and roll that's sort of like, hovers under the surface of everything I do.
12:37 Speaker 02 Cause it's under the, cause I would, I would never, cause would you ever say that it's like been surface in like, in, in the albums?
12:43 Speaker 05 I mean, there are like a few times where it'll become overt.
12:46 Speaker 02 Yep.
12:47 Speaker 05 But it's always there. There's always this kind of like. There's always this, I'm on the edge of saying fuck it all the time.
12:54 Speaker 01 Yeah.
12:54 Speaker 05 And my voice says fuck it all the time. And falls apart and breaks apart in ways that I'm not ready for, I'm not prepared for, but like, that I'm willing to just kind of tumble through that what's gonna happen mentality when I'm singing big.
13:09 Speaker 01 Yeah.
13:10 Speaker 05 And I don't ever wanna like lose that. I don't wanna learn how to control that part of it.
13:14 Speaker 01 Wow.
13:15 Speaker 05 But I, I do attest, like, I think that's a Seattle, um, molecular Seattle, like infiltration into my singing.
13:21 Speaker 01 Where it's like, where it's like the music, like Seattle having its own like music row, like Seattle having this like tradition as like a music town, um, kind of like is the hub for you to then be like, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna have this relationship with Dolly for country. Not, not, not like, not like, not like the genre by genre, but like with Joni for folk and with like Elton for like rock, you know? It's like, it all kind of, Seattle is the source for that for you.
13:49 Speaker 05 Yeah, it's like a lens through which I see all of them.
13:52 Speaker 01 Yeah.
13:52 Speaker 05 Too, you know what I mean? So, but all those things are, are also definitely true.
13:58 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
13:59 Speaker 05 I'm having like really a lot of nostalgia in my mind right now because of the stuff you're saying.
14:03 Speaker 01 Well, this is what, this, this thing that you're saying about your voice not necessarily being prepared for everything, but you singing big. Like, one of the things I was talking to Doug, our coach, about was like, again, I'll say the fearlessness of your vocal. And to hear you say your voice is not always prepared for it, but you are singing big. You're such, you are just an instrument? And I feel like you sing like in, in fearless ways. And I guess what I mean by that is like, those breaks in your vocals, like the ways that you approach vibrato and the ways that you really are an actor in your songs. Like, there's so many elements of your music and even the songs that you cover, which are so gargantuan and they're such tasks.
14:47 Speaker 01 Is there anything that scares you vocally? And if so, like, what are those things? Because when you listen to you, you're listening to someone without fear.
14:54 Speaker 05 Hmm.
14:55 Speaker 01 As a listener.
14:56 Speaker 05 It all really scares me vocally.
14:58 Speaker 01 Really?
14:59 Speaker 05 Yeah, absolutely. Like, I'm always kind of like sipping on this perfect cocktail of paralyzing fear.
15:06 Speaker 01 Uh.
15:06 Speaker 05 And like confidence and the belief that whatever happens is meant to happen.
15:10 Speaker 01 You would never know. And you write such difficult stuff for yourself.
15:14 Speaker 05 I know. What does my wife say? She's like, you've created a rod for your own back with that one, Brandy. Oh, I have to hit that note for years.
15:21 Speaker 01 I know. Like, what have I tasked myself with again for every show?
15:26 Speaker 02 But it's a choice that you're making because it's like, Maren was saying, it's like, you are singing in the original key.
15:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
15:32 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah. But I mean, I will change that key if I need to. Like, no problem. No, I mean, I want to go straight. I want to be Leonard Cohen and Johnny Cash like when I'm in my eighties. Like, I'll drop that.
15:41 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
15:42 Speaker 05 But like, right now, it's the original key. And honestly, because I am not like, living the same lifestyle I was when I was younger, it's actually easier for me to sing now than it ever was before.
15:53 Speaker 01 So what is that? What have you cut out entirely?
15:55 Speaker 05 Oh, God. I mean, alcohol when I'm on tour.
15:58 Speaker 01 Yeah, when you're on tour.
16:00 Speaker 05 Yeah. And my, like, rules around eating and what I eat and when I eat and what I do. And then I have a vocal coach like you guys do. So.
16:11 Speaker 01 It's a little different.
16:12 Speaker 05 It's a little different. It's like, very unsexy, but like, I become completely owned by my ability to hit the notes.
16:19 Speaker 01 Yeah.
16:19 Speaker 05 That is like, I'm an athlete every night. I'm thinking of it that way. And I don't know why I envision this, like, maybe you guys do this. I don't think the audience does what I think they do, which is sit there and go, can she do it? Can she do it?
16:31 Speaker 01 Oh.
16:32 Speaker 05 That's what I think that they're all doing. It's not what they're all doing.
16:35 Speaker 01 Like, they're like, um, like Olympic judges.
16:37 Speaker 05 Kind of.
16:38 Speaker 01 Like, that note was not clean.
16:39 Speaker 05 Yeah. But is it what you do?
16:42 Speaker 01 It is.
16:43 Speaker 02 Do we project that onto the audience? Oh, as audience members, is that where we're?
16:46 Speaker 05 Is that what you do?
16:47 Speaker 01 I think, I think, I mean, I'd rather it all be perfect, but I do, I, I think something that you probably now know from years of touring at the level that you do, which is they are there for the experience, not.
17:01 Speaker 05 Yeah.
17:01 Speaker 01 They're not there in judgment, they're there in excitement.
17:04 Speaker 05 Yeah.
17:04 Speaker 01 And, you know, I've been playing, I've, I've been on the opposite coast of you every single time, but my, my best friend Melissa and her husband saw you at, um, at the Kia Forum. And, um, Michael had, had never seen you and never like, wasn't familiar, but Melissa and her best friend Taylor were like huge fans. And so he got there and they said they were all sobbing the entire time. And then Michael turned and was like, I love Brandy Carlisle. And then he wasn't familiar, but then he became like such a diehard fan. And your live experience, they said, it was so clear that everyone was there almost in like pilgrimage.
17:44 Speaker 01 And that it was the lesbian convention and that everyone was incredibly keyed in and respectful and everyone left in a very, in a, in a very tight formation. And it was a real, it was, it was a beautiful.
17:56 Speaker 02 Possessional.
17:57 Speaker 01 It was possessive. And that, but that the experience of being there was like truly like everyone was there just in excitement. So they were not like, well, she missed that one because it doesn't happen, eh?
18:09 Speaker 05 I know, well, it doesn't. I know that you're, what you're saying is true and I, I'm one day going to be able to fully like let that end. And stop believing that when I sing, it's about to be scored by Olympic judges. And then I think when I do let that go, that's when I'm going to do the real shit. Like that's when I'm going to take some real risks, you know, because I actually think it might be just a little bit repressive. And something I'm like going to untangle.
18:34 Speaker 01 Yeah.
18:34 Speaker 05 Before I'm 50.
18:35 Speaker 02 Before you're 50. Now, do you feel, does this sentence ring true to you? I perform, behave differently because I feel like I'm being watched. Like that, like the, the idea of being perceived is, is the thing that's like, yeah.
18:53 Speaker 05 Well, yeah, I mean, is it, is it that way for you? Like as we've become public people, it's hard not to think that way. And it has like positives and negatives. Like you do something normal at home, something domestic and you're like, oh, that was cute. I wish, I wish 10,000 people saw that.
19:09 Speaker 01 Look how clean it all is.
19:12 Speaker 05 And then, you know, but then you have like normal, everyday interpersonal mistakes, you know, like, you know, I'm, I'm a little bit too hard. I'm one of my kids or something goes wrong. And then I, I feel like extra sort of scolded by, um, by people that aren't there.
19:30 Speaker 01 I see. But I feel like you've really done a, you've, you, you, you've made a beautiful thing happen for yourself. Not made it happen for yourself, but you have been surrounded by people. Like I think that's like a beautiful sort of like.
19:46 Speaker 02 Hallmark in the Brandy Carlisle story, which is like you are like you're you're with the twins. You're with Catherine. The kids are with you. Like you you are not alone.
19:55 Speaker 05 Yeah.
19:55 Speaker 02 You know, and that I think is.
19:57 Speaker 05 Oh, being alone is the worst.
19:59 Speaker 02 And you guys are talking about like you and I think you and Colbert were talking about this. I feel like it's like being alone is being alone is fine until it's not. And I love it.
20:10 Speaker 05 Do you love it?
20:11 Speaker 02 Too much.
20:12 Speaker 05 My wife loves it, too.
20:13 Speaker 02 So then how do you how does this? How does this work for for the two of you where it's like you don't like being alone, but she does? Like what like?
20:18 Speaker 05 Ever? No, what about you? Do you?
20:21 Speaker 01 I I know I do need to be alone sometimes.
20:23 Speaker 05 Okay.
20:24 Speaker 01 Fraser and I are distant, so it's like if I wasn't okay with that, that would be a horrible thing.
20:28 Speaker 05 Yeah.
20:29 Speaker 01 Yeah.
20:29 Speaker 05 No, I feel like you it's the key is like if you don't like to be alone, like I really don't like to be alone.
20:34 Speaker 02 Yeah.
20:35 Speaker 05 Is that you you kind of learn to be alone with someone. Like if you come over to my house, I'm not going to stop everything and host you.
20:42 Speaker 02 Of course.
20:43 Speaker 05 Like I'm gonna let you in and show you where the refrigerator is, but whatever I was doing, I'm probably gonna go back to doing it. You can join me. You can not join me. I want you there, but I don't want to have to interact.
20:52 Speaker 02 Right.
20:53 Speaker 05 You know what I mean?
20:53 Speaker 01 A hundred percent.
20:54 Speaker 05 And so like that is just I've just kind of been able to hold on to that. And it's weird because the more people you put around you and the more intimacy you're able to sort of cultivate. I think that like the more you can get away with that shit.
21:05 Speaker 02 Yeah.
21:06 Speaker 05 And then you never have to be alone.
21:07 Speaker 02 Hey, just come in. This is there. There's the fridge. Like, what do you mean? Like that shit.
21:11 Speaker 05 Well, I just think people conflate like I don't get to be alone with I don't get to do what I want.
21:15 Speaker 02 Oh. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Well, being a being alone with someone. So being alone while someone else is there.
21:24 Speaker 05 Yeah.
21:24 Speaker 02 Is also a marker of true comfort with that person.
21:27 Speaker 05 Yeah.
21:27 Speaker 02 You know what I mean? If I'm ever feeling like I have to fill the silence a lot.
21:32 Speaker 05 Yeah.
21:32 Speaker 02 Or entertain all the all the time, I'm like, well, this is supposed to be a person that's close to me in my space. Like, I don't have to like be talking the whole time.
21:39 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
21:40 Speaker 02 You know, it's but it is, I don't know, for me, like I I I sometimes think like, oh, silence means like it's going bad.
21:48 Speaker 01 Yes.
21:48 Speaker 02 Silence is fallow. Totally.
21:50 Speaker 05 That's also because you guys like live in in a city, like a major city. Do you think you'll always live in a major city? New York or LA?
21:58 Speaker 02 He's heading out. No.
22:00 Speaker 04 You have designs?
22:02 Speaker 05 Where would you go? Because like I do, I think that like being able to step in and out of show business and the music business is like a really
22:10 Speaker 04 Crucial.
22:11 Speaker 05 peaceful a way for me to keep my sort of inner peace and compass pointed in the right direction.
22:16 Speaker 04 Yeah.
22:16 Speaker 05 I'm not saying that you can't live in a major city and be in show business and not step out, but like, do you ever see yourself living outside of?
22:23 Speaker 02 Sure. Like, I honestly, I'm like, I'm so jealous of you. Like you had, like, you're building a dining hall.
22:32 Speaker 05 Yeah.
22:32 Speaker 02 That's amazing.
22:33 Speaker 05 Literally, right now, it's called, it's called the Commons. Are you making a joke? Cause I really am.
22:37 Speaker 04 No.
22:37 Speaker 02 No.
22:38 Speaker 04 Like, what phases it in?
22:39 Speaker 02 I'm, I'm tracking your, I'm tracking this so closely. Where are you with it?
22:45 Speaker 05 It's actually going, we just, I just a little while ago, got the text that we passed framing inspection, so we can
22:51 Speaker 04 Let's go, huge!
22:53 Speaker 02 Walls, what, what are we thinking? What's the color?
22:55 Speaker 05 I want to do the color drenching thing.
22:57 Speaker 02 What's that?
22:57 Speaker 05 Maybe it's just like too much social media, but like, I'm just so beyond the millennial gray thing. Like, I want to go like all one bold color, like a cobalt blue or a forest green.
23:07 Speaker 04 I love that.
23:08 Speaker 05 Paint everything.
23:09 Speaker 04 Don't be afraid of a color.
23:10 Speaker 02 Don't be afraid of a color.
23:11 Speaker 05 Yeah.
23:11 Speaker 02 I've got, I've got, it's called Superior Blue in my house. Where it's, it's, it's in the kitchen and then it's echoed in the, in the primary. And the guest room is like a forest green.
23:22 Speaker 05 Oh, okay.
23:22 Speaker 02 And so I feel like this is good.
23:25 Speaker 05 We're preparing this for you. Thank you.
23:28 Speaker 04 No, he's gonna love this dining hall.
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26:29 Speaker 01 We help the Veterans Resource Center and we give scholarships. I'm doing this for my heart, for my children, for you, for your children's family. I don't want anything back. And I tell a lot of people, don't give back to me, pay it forward.
26:44 Speaker 07 If you work to give, you just see the world differently.
26:47 Speaker 01 I'm gonna help as many people as we can. I can't take it with me.
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26:58 Speaker 02 Us living in a city does not, um.
27:03 Speaker 01 When the grid goes down, he's going to Ontario.
27:05 Speaker 02 I'm going to Ontario.
27:06 Speaker 05 Oh, that's what you meant. That's what I was gonna ask. Yeah.
27:08 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
27:09 Speaker 05 Where are you gonna go?
27:10 Speaker 02 I'm gonna go to Ontario.
27:10 Speaker 01 He's got a plan.
27:11 Speaker 05 All right.
27:12 Speaker 01 I, it scares me. It could happen tonight. Um, but.
27:17 Speaker 05 That's what they're saying.
27:18 Speaker 01 That's what they're saying. It's tonight. We're recording this on, what's the day?
27:21 Speaker 02 April 7.
27:22 Speaker 01 April 7. Anyways, uh, but like, he has a whole plan for when the grid goes down. And the gays have started to talk about when the grid goes down. I feel like the lesbians have been talking about when the grid goes down for a very long time, prepared.
27:35 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah.
27:36 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's big prep. It's big.
27:37 Speaker 02 It's prepper, it's prepper culture.
27:39 Speaker 01 Yeah.
27:39 Speaker 05 Yeah.
27:40 Speaker 02 I think lesbians are better preppers than, than gay guys.
27:42 Speaker 05 Oh, you want us. You want us on this team. Yeah. Could you guys be rural gays?
27:47 Speaker 02 I would figure it out.
27:48 Speaker 05 I was looking at those shoes and I'm like, yes, actually.
27:51 Speaker 01 No, he, he's sort of in a cosplay right now that would suggest a little doorsiness.
27:56 Speaker 02 It's cosplay, but I'm from a lineage of farmers. I'm from a lineage of farmers.
27:59 Speaker 01 I'm from a lineage of farmers, says Bowen Yang. It's true.
28:03 Speaker 05 Yeah.
28:04 Speaker 01 I'm from a lineage of hairdressers and gym teachers.
28:09 Speaker 01 So we can look cute while we do the mile.
28:10 Speaker 05 The Venn diagram works with the gym teacher.
28:12 Speaker 01 Yeah, I mean, look, I passed the presidential fitness test back in the day.
28:16 Speaker 05 Ooh.
28:16 Speaker 01 I don't know if they do that anymore.
28:17 Speaker 02 I don't think, I know, I think they do.
28:18 Speaker 01 Not in the president's name.
28:20 Speaker 05 Yeah. Who can climb a rope, though?
28:22 Speaker 02 Oh, we were supposed to do that.
28:23 Speaker 01 So hard to do.
28:24 Speaker 05 God.
28:24 Speaker 01 Well, we had to do the sit and reach.
28:26 Speaker 02 Sit and reach was, that's an iconic one.
28:28 Speaker 05 The wall sit?
28:28 Speaker 01 Then there's the, the, the wall sit, uh, that wasn't part of the test, but that's a good one. We had to do pull ups.
28:34 Speaker 05 Okay.
28:35 Speaker 01 Push ups, crunches, the mile run, and there was one other thing.
28:41 Speaker 02 I don't remember it. I think there was five elements of it. Maybe I just did five, but that was-
28:45 Speaker 05 Well, the rope climb.
28:46 Speaker 02 The rope climb.
28:46 Speaker 01 The rope climb is not something I'm familiar with.
28:49 Speaker 05 Oh, you guys didn't have to climb a rope?
28:50 Speaker 02 This is Washington. This is Washingtonian.
28:51 Speaker 01 That's crazy town.
28:52 Speaker 05 Yeah, you could climb a rope. And you could, you could, I couldn't even hang off the thing.
28:56 Speaker 02 No.
28:56 Speaker 05 I would just, just drop it.
28:59 Speaker 02 What are we getting at there?
29:00 Speaker 05 I don't know. What was even-
29:01 Speaker 01 Yeah, but all I ever wanted when I was younger was to have, was to be at a fancy enough high school that had like the project adventure shit.
29:08 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah.
29:08 Speaker 01 You know what I mean? Like, they would have the, all this shit that was like, you know, you could zipline and you could do that and this. And now it's like, I watched the Survivor challenges. And I'm like, I couldn't get through 15 seconds of this. Like, I could, but it wouldn't be fun.
29:22 Speaker 02 No.
29:23 Speaker 01 When I was younger, I was like, I can't wait to be on Survivor one day. And now I'm like, that looks hard.
29:29 Speaker 05 Oh, hard. Do you ever watch that show Naked and Afraid?
29:31 Speaker 01 Yeah!
29:32 Speaker 05 Oh my god, I have watched every season of Naked and Afraid.
29:34 Speaker 01 You love that.
29:35 Speaker 02 Would you do it?
29:35 Speaker 05 I love it with my children. I would not be able to be naked. And I wouldn't be afraid. Um, but I could do alone.
29:43 Speaker 01 Yeah.
29:43 Speaker 05 Except for that I'd have to be alone. And they did have one season where they could pair you.
29:47 Speaker 02 Okay.
29:48 Speaker 05 Yeah, so, but I would definitely be a pretty good in one of those situations for a little while.
29:53 Speaker 02 How's Catherine outdoors?
29:54 Speaker 05 Do you know what? She's like a Londoner. Like, I'm talking like-
29:57 Speaker 01 Do you know what?
29:58 Speaker 05 Do you know what?
29:59 Speaker 01 You do what I do. You spoke a little bit like your British partner. I do this.
30:03 Speaker 05 It's happening.
30:04 Speaker 02 It's beautiful. I love it.
30:06 Speaker 05 We've been married 15 years now. And it, I hear it all the time in myself. I'm like, what the fuck is that?
30:11 Speaker 01 No, but it's good.
30:12 Speaker 05 It's good, yeah.
30:13 Speaker 02 It means you're listening.
30:16 Speaker 01 I always go, the word I can't get, he hates when I do this, but I go, "What?"
30:21 Speaker 05 What?
30:22 Speaker 01 He's like, "That's not a thing."
30:24 Speaker 05 It's not a thing.
30:25 Speaker 01 He gets very phrase about it.
30:26 Speaker 05 My wife always says, "I can't, I can't, I can't." And I go, "You can, you can."
30:30 Speaker 01 You can't!
30:30 Speaker 05 And she gets so annoyed with me when I do that.
30:33 Speaker 02 It's, it's RP? Is it R, Received Pronunciation?
30:35 Speaker 01 I mean-
30:36 Speaker 05 They also don't hear themselves end A, ending words in R. Like, "Brah."
30:41 Speaker 01 Yeah.
30:42 Speaker 05 They, they can't say "Brah." They say "Brah."
30:44 Speaker 01 "Brah."
30:44 Speaker 05 "Brah." And I, you know, they don't hear that R. You tell them they put an R on it, they just like flat out, no, the sky's not blue.
30:50 Speaker 02 Interesting.
30:51 Speaker 05 Yeah.
30:52 Speaker 02 So interesting.
30:52 Speaker 01 I love every second of them speaking.
30:55 Speaker 02 Oh, it's beautiful.
30:56 Speaker 01 I love it!
30:57 Speaker 05 It's so gorgeous.
30:58 Speaker 01 It really is.
30:59 Speaker 05 You guys ever like, fight?
31:01 Speaker 01 No, he doesn't raise his voice.
31:02 Speaker 05 Okay.
31:03 Speaker 02 What's her fighting style?
31:04 Speaker 05 Oh, god, she's, she's-
31:06 Speaker 01 She rips it.
31:06 Speaker 05 Oh, my god, she's, yeah, she's absolutely-
31:09 Speaker 02 Fireball.
31:10 Speaker 05 Oh my god, that girl will fight. I mean, I have never fought so much in my life.
31:16 Speaker 01 Yeah.
31:17 Speaker 05 And I mean, I had brothers and sisters. I have like a brother that's like a year younger than me. That girl can fight and then just over it. In a split second, like it never happened.
31:25 Speaker 01 Wow. And now is that compartmentalizing or is that it actually is over?
31:29 Speaker 05 Just over.
31:30 Speaker 01 Okay.
31:30 Speaker 05 Yeah.
31:31 Speaker 01 Moves on quickly. I don't think, I don't think gay guys can do that. And I don't mean, I don't mean to generalize with, with, with lesbians. I just think gay guys, they hold a fucking grudge.
31:39 Speaker 05 Oh.
31:40 Speaker 01 No, there's grudge holding in the lesbian community. Come on, let's go.
31:44 Speaker 05 I mean, I don't hold a grudge because I'm actually so judgmental that I would judge myself for holding a grudge.
31:50 Speaker 01 Oh, gotcha.
31:51 Speaker 05 So what I do is worse than grudges. It's very intense judging.
31:54 Speaker 01 I wanted to ask you about being judgmental because in the song Joni, you speak about um how she laughs at all the pop stars. So do you and Joni privately just rip the shit out of the pop girlies? Or do you love everyone?
32:11 Speaker 01 I'm asking privately and I'm not asking who.
32:13 Speaker 05 Like, you know, my late millennial feminism won't let me rip the shit out of any pop girlies.
32:19 Speaker 01 God bless you.
32:20 Speaker 05 I'll rip the shit out of some pop guys with her.
32:22 Speaker 01 I love it. So do we. See, we, we, we actually are the same. Like the pop girlies, we love them all. Love them all. The pop boys look the fuck out on this podcast.
32:30 Speaker 05 Yeah, exactly. Fair game.
32:32 Speaker 01 Yeah, absolutely.
32:33 Speaker 05 But if she gets on them, I'm like, oh, Jon, they're really young. I mean, let's think this through, you know?
32:38 Speaker 01 But she gets on them.
32:40 Speaker 05 Uh, I mean, she doesn't not.
32:42 Speaker 01 But I love that though. If anyone's like, if I'm a pop girly, I wanna hear Joni Mitchell drag me. Cause she's seen it all.
32:51 Speaker 05 She's dragged me. She drags me like all the time in front of my face.
32:54 Speaker 01 It's probably a term of endearment.
32:56 Speaker 05 Yeah. Oh no, it's heaven.
32:57 Speaker 01 Yeah.
32:57 Speaker 05 It's heaven.
32:58 Speaker 01 You, these, some of these, Joni, between Joni and Elton, they really do, they, they get on your ass. You didn't pick easy ones.
33:06 Speaker 05 Yeah, no. Yeah.
33:08 Speaker 01 Like you picked the, the icons of art.
33:12 Speaker 05 The most formidable and intimidating, but soulful and just here, human beings. Like they're so here. Like they are so present. They do not play by the same rules we play by and it's a powerful presence to be in. Let me tell you what.
33:29 Speaker 01 Wow.
33:30 Speaker 02 I loved, I, cause I finally, I guess I watched the doc, but like after the last time he came to SNL, I watched, I watched the, the like thirty minute film of you, of you and Andrew Watt. And Ellen and Ryan together.
33:42 Speaker 05 Yeah.
33:42 Speaker 02 I loved, there was a Laura Nero song that you guys covered that I fucking love.
33:45 Speaker 01 Love.
33:45 Speaker 02 Because people forgot about Laura Nero, I feel.
33:47 Speaker 05 You would be a Laura Nero fan.
33:48 Speaker 02 I fucking love Laura Nero!
33:51 Speaker 05 Yes, you're such a sad gay.
33:52 Speaker 02 I'm a sad gay.
33:53 Speaker 05 Ah, I feel like sad gay is a thing, like it's becoming a, a thing. Like, we talked about Girls Just Wanna. This last year, I saw more gay men at Girls Just Wanna than I have ever seen.
34:05 Speaker 01 We're sadder than ever.
34:06 Speaker 02 We're sadder than ever.
34:07 Speaker 05 Yeah.
34:07 Speaker 02 We're not doing well.
34:08 Speaker 05 And I love it because, well, the taste in music is just off the charts. It's an.
34:12 Speaker 01 We're gonna see them all at Ethel Kane this weekend.
34:15 Speaker 02 She's going on, she's going on the same time as Sabrina Carver, just so we're, no, we're not.
34:18 Speaker 01 Oh, that is, wait, can I say, that might be my, I don't think so, honey, at the end of this episode is the Coachella set times have come out and we're going this weekend. I can't believe what they're making people choose between.
34:27 Speaker 02 I know, it's tough.
34:28 Speaker 01 Twigs and LeFay?
34:30 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
34:31 Speaker 01 Why, why should people have to choose?
34:33 Speaker 02 Well, no, it's time.
34:34 Speaker 05 That got very high pitched.
34:37 Speaker 01 I haven't even warmed up. You're looking at two counter tenors.
34:41 Speaker 02 I am not a counter tenor.
34:42 Speaker 05 I.
34:43 Speaker 01 Well, the joke's on you.
34:44 Speaker 05 Yeah.
34:44 Speaker 01 Cause you are.
34:45 Speaker 02 Wait, we, I, and we, we're, we're just inviting ourselves to Girls Just Wanna. You don't have to put us, it's, it's, it's your hosting vibe.
34:52 Speaker 01 We promise to be sad.
34:53 Speaker 05 If you come to Girls Just Wanna with me next year, you will be like my guests of honor. We will have such a good time and we will sing.
35:01 Speaker 02 No.
35:01 Speaker 05 On Night of the Living Nineties, we'll come up with one ninety song. It can be as sadder, as gay as we want.
35:05 Speaker 01 Yes, we'll do it.
35:06 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah. We're like Meredith Brooks. We're talking.
35:08 Speaker 01 Oh!
35:09 Speaker 05 You know, some Lilith Fair moment.
35:11 Speaker 02 Yep.
35:11 Speaker 01 This is what we needed back and you knew it.
35:14 Speaker 05 Yeah.
35:14 Speaker 01 You knew it.
35:15 Speaker 05 Yeah.
35:15 Speaker 01 Because, you know, so I'm, I am of the experience of my parents did not let me watch MTV.
35:22 Speaker 05 Okay.
35:22 Speaker 01 So VH1 defined me and they were the ones in the late nineties giving all the love to Lilith Fair. Like, my idea of sexuality is not like, you know, Christina Aguilera, like writhing on the ground. Like, I appreciate that, but like, my idea of sexuality is like Shania Twain walking on the beach.
35:39 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah.
35:40 Speaker 01 While like, like someone strummed a guitar. And that was then Lilith Fair. And it was like, all like, it was like, oh, oh my God. Like, um, yeah, like you said, like Meredith Brooks and like McLaughlin and like.
35:52 Speaker 05 Oh.
35:53 Speaker 01 Like Natalie and Brulio, like at that time, like, you know. God, there was also another one. Oh, my God. No, Natalie Merchant.
36:01 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah.
36:02 Speaker 01 Like, this opened the door.
36:04 Speaker 05 Yeah.
36:05 Speaker 02 So it's that, if it's, it's that.
36:07 Speaker 05 That's sad gay. That is a sad gay.
36:09 Speaker 01 Sad gay in training.
36:10 Speaker 05 You don't have to be sad, but that being your, like, you know, proclivity, that is you.
36:14 Speaker 02 Yep.
36:15 Speaker 05 Being a sad gay.
36:15 Speaker 02 And you are, you welcome them with open arms to Girls Just Wanna.
36:19 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah, because it's made for you.
36:21 Speaker 01 Yeah. Mexico is such a, like, a fun, lively place.
36:24 Speaker 05 Yeah, well, that's the thing. It's like, it's, that's what, that's what the sad gays do. People, and by the way, a straight person can be a sad gay. It's like, it is like mixing, like unabashed, shameless expression, you know, of, of emotion, unguarded, with just, like, lightheartedness and, and overused word, but joy.
36:46 Speaker 02 Yeah.
36:46 Speaker 05 Just arms up over your head, dancing under the stars and screaming and yelling like there's no tomorrow. And, and then being able to, like, listen to a Jewel song from, you know, 1994.
36:58 Speaker 01 Oh, God.
36:59 Speaker 05 Laying on your bedroom floor, just crying to Everybody Hurts by R.E.M.
37:02 Speaker 01 Oh, my God.
37:03 Speaker 02 Thank God.
37:04 Speaker 01 By the way, Jewel, just by the way, Jewel.
37:06 Speaker 02 Just by the way, Jewel.
37:07 Speaker 01 Like Foolish Games, that's my karaoke song.
37:09 Speaker 05 Ah.
37:10 Speaker 01 I need to be at Girls Just Wanna.
37:11 Speaker 05 Yeah.
37:12 Speaker 02 You guys should sing Foolish Games together.
37:14 Speaker 05 Me and Jewel or me and Matt?
37:15 Speaker 02 You and Matt.
37:15 Speaker 05 Yeah, I think me and Matt, too.
37:17 Speaker 01 I think, I think that would be really amazing.
37:22 Speaker 01 But You Were Meant For Me, I remember, like, I ca- I chemically altered. That, I loved Jewel so much.
37:27 Speaker 05 It was the, it was the pause before the, "I was meant for you" is the pause before the last word.
37:35 Speaker 01 And there's also, like, she had, she had released the album and then the single versions.
37:40 Speaker 05 Yeah.
37:40 Speaker 01 Like, there's a different version of You Were Meant For Me and there's a different version of Foolish Games. And like.
37:45 Speaker 02 They do that, they would do that back then.
37:46 Speaker 01 Back then, there was like three versions of everything.
37:48 Speaker 02 Yeah.
37:48 Speaker 05 When I listen to it now, here she has so many voices, like, and there was such an emotional.
37:52 Speaker 01 So many voices.
37:53 Speaker 05 What I think, when she goes into the bit where she's like, "Huh, huh, huh, huh", like, I'm like, how did she not lose this? But it's like, I felt the emotion from that.
38:02 Speaker 01 Yeah.
38:02 Speaker 02 Yeah.
38:02 Speaker 05 But it, like, for some reason, it goes into something where it sounds like it could almost be parody and then is working.
38:08 Speaker 01 Yes.
38:09 Speaker 05 That's fearless singing.
38:10 Speaker 01 Yeah.
38:11 Speaker 05 Yeah.
38:11 Speaker 01 Well, I think she literally replaced her voice. That must have been what it was. Cause ah, ah, and then.
38:18 Speaker 01 It's so different.
38:19 Speaker 05 There's some Shakira in there.
38:21 Speaker 02 Yeah.
38:22 Speaker 05 That may be the origins of the yawn, you know?
38:25 Speaker 02 That was the yawn, that's the Shakira yawn.
38:27 Speaker 05 Yeah.
38:28 Speaker 02 Is that what you're referring to?
38:29 Speaker 05 I mean, there's like a yawn, you know, the.
38:31 Speaker 02 What's the general yawn?
38:32 Speaker 05 The yawn.
38:33 Speaker 02 Do you yawn?
38:34 Speaker 05 No. No, I'm a grown woman.
38:39 Speaker 02 That's for the little pop girls to do.
38:43 Speaker 02 Yeah.
38:43 Speaker 01 What are your thoughts on cursive singing?
38:46 Speaker 05 Oh, that's the other thing.
38:47 Speaker 01 This is Joey rip that up?
38:49 Speaker 05 My thoughts are, where did it start?
38:51 Speaker 02 I, well.
38:52 Speaker 05 What started it? I can't find it. Like, I can find the origins of all kinds of singing that like turned into a thing, right? And then the originator of that singing doesn't bother me. Whereas like the ripple effect of it does.
39:06 Speaker 02 Of course.
39:06 Speaker 05 But I can't find the origins of that. I'm talking early 2000s is when I first started hearing.
39:12 Speaker 02 Yeah.
39:12 Speaker 05 Instead of Love Live.
39:14 Speaker 02 Yeah.
39:15 Speaker 05 You know what I mean?
39:15 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
39:16 Speaker 01 No, I'm also trying to find it, but it is, it did, it took over.
39:20 Speaker 05 Yeah, it took over.
39:20 Speaker 01 Yeah.
39:21 Speaker 05 And it became a thing. Like, no one can say birds, everybody says bites.
39:24 Speaker 02 Bites.
39:24 Speaker 01 Bites.
39:25 Speaker 05 Yeah.
39:26 Speaker 02 My thing, my pet peeve, and look, some of our, some of our favorites do this, is just saying the word goddamn to like fill in, to like fill in the scansion and the syllables.
39:35 Speaker 05 I think I've done that. I think I've done that.
39:36 Speaker 02 I think. No, no, no. I think it's fine. I just think it's been popular. I never, I never like.
39:41 Speaker 05 I can't remember where, but I'm sure I did. No, I didn't. I remember now. It's in the, um, it's on the album. What album is it on? It's Goddamn Liar, I Say. I could've said anything, but I said goddamn and pissed off.
39:51 Speaker 01 Do you agree, though, is goddamn a placeholder, or do you stand ten toes down in your use of goddamn?
39:55 Speaker 05 I don't know. I think it's like vacation Bible school, Sunday school, Awana's language for like the worst thing you can say. So as soon as we get punk rock, we put it into anything we can.
40:04 Speaker 01 Hundred percent.
40:04 Speaker 05 But that's probably just a 90s baby thing. I don't know. Is it not? Goddamn is like the worst thing you can say.
40:09 Speaker 01 Goddamn is a thing.
40:10 Speaker 05 Yeah, no, cannot say.
40:11 Speaker 01 What words could you not say?
40:13 Speaker 05 Okay, so when I was really young, it was weird things like dang and heck.
40:18 Speaker 01 You were not permitted to say dang and heck?
40:20 Speaker 05 No, it was weird. It's, it's totally weird because like my parents are not strict people at all. In fact, I'm a very free range human being, but like for a minute there, when I was like really young, there were like, you couldn't say you didn't like something, you had to say you didn't care for it. You couldn't say dang, you couldn't say heck. You couldn't say shoot. Anything that was reminiscent of a curse and it was this weird odd
40:44 Speaker 01 So Sux was off the table.
40:45 Speaker 05 Off the table.
40:46 Speaker 01 Yeah, I know.
40:46 Speaker 05 But now that I have kids, you know, I wince when they say dang and heck and I'm like, keep your mouth shut. That's some dysfunctional shit you do not need to carry forward.
40:54 Speaker 02 Interesting that it's still.
40:55 Speaker 01 Let them say dang and heck.
40:56 Speaker 05 Yes, for god's sake.
40:58 Speaker 02 If your parents were playing a prank on you.
40:59 Speaker 05 Huh?
41:00 Speaker 02 Do you think your parents were playing a prank on you?
41:01 Speaker 05 Yeah, because right now I cannot imagine my parents having a rule of any kind.
41:06 Speaker 01 Oh, good.
41:07 Speaker 05 Yeah.
41:07 Speaker 02 Because they're, because they're just like, I'll just let the kids say what they want.
41:10 Speaker 05 I don't know what that was. That was some weird, like, that was some weird, you know, 1984 How Lindsey, late great Planet Earth, Heaven's Gate cult religious movement that happened in the late 80s and early 90s and led the people of my parents' generation to go King nuts.
41:31 Speaker 02 Yes. Heaven's Gate.
41:32 Speaker 05 And we're seeing the repercussions of it now.
41:34 Speaker 01 We sure are.
41:35 Speaker 05 Yeah.
41:35 Speaker 01 Well, it's interesting that you just mentioned entering into the 90s because we are now at the point of the show where we ask you about your culture, your formative culture. So Brandy Carlisle, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you?
41:50 Speaker 05 Well, there were so many things. I feel like I had such a rich era to sort of come of age in. I was born in 1981. So in 1992, 93, country music sort of got big. Boots Scoot and Boogie came out.
42:09 Speaker 01 Yeah.
42:10 Speaker 05 Okay, and while country music is getting big, there is a lot happening in gay culture.
42:16 Speaker 01 Yeah.
42:17 Speaker 05 Tom Hanks in Philadelphia films. I heard the Indigo Girls the first time in that soundtrack.
42:21 Speaker 01 Right.
42:21 Speaker 05 You add Katie Lang and Cindy Crawford on the cover of Vanity Fair and Katie Lang's getting her face shaved by Cindy Crawford. It's like one of the sexiest gender bending photos in the 90s. And then Katie Lang crosses over into country music because she was a country music singer, like an Opry Queen, Lawrence Welk show.
42:38 Speaker 02 Yeah.
42:39 Speaker 05 You know, big boned gal from southern Alberta, just couldn't call her small. You know, she was like, she was the, the queen in that sense, you know, for me. And so there's this intersection happening between queer culture.
42:53 Speaker 02 Yeah.
42:54 Speaker 05 And country music, you know, Melissa Etheridge comes out with, uh, yes, I am, um. What else was going on? I mean, everybody says that, you know, the Ellen DeGeneres coming out moment in nineteen ninety seven was monumental. But there was even stuff before that that was happening in TV like, but not, nothing as important as Ellen coming out. But you guys remember the audacity of the Roseanne kiss?
43:17 Speaker 02 Oh, absolutely.
43:17 Speaker 05 I mean, at least it was a wild thing.
43:21 Speaker 02 Right.
43:21 Speaker 05 Like, there was all this controversy around like Roseanne Barr getting kissed on her show. So all this queer stuff was happening in, between nineteen ninety three and nineteen ninety seven while country music was coming up. And then country music did this weird thing. It got queer. And I'm not even sure that the mainstream, like the rest of the world knew it, but.
43:41 Speaker 02 They weren't clocking.
43:42 Speaker 05 We were dressing like cowboys. All of our gay bars turned into, get names like Timberline and, and, you know, the trucker and Trax. And next thing you know, there's all these gay people line dancing.
43:54 Speaker 02 Yep. To this day.
43:56 Speaker 05 To this very day.
43:57 Speaker 02 It had like a boom again. Stuck country and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
44:01 Speaker 05 And so I feel like between the era of like nineteen ninety three and nineteen ninety seven was the birth of the rural queer.
44:11 Speaker 02 Yes.
44:13 Speaker 05 And so that is a formative moment in, in my life.
44:17 Speaker 02 Amazing answer.
44:19 Speaker 05 That to seem, seemingly diametrically opposed things can, can coexist.
44:26 Speaker 02 And that's like the, the queerest thing possible.
44:28 Speaker 05 Yeah, exactly.
44:29 Speaker 02 Like intersecting these things that like no one would ever think to bring together. And then that paves the way for Brokeback Mountain and for.
44:35 Speaker 05 And then inevitably, exactly, it led to Brokeback Mountain in the early two thousands.
44:40 Speaker 02 Um, was, Boys Don't Cry. I mean, I don't know if you would call that like country necessarily, but there's something rural about it. There's something like.
44:47 Speaker 05 It was right in that moment. It challenged people's sensibility. Um, there was also a lot of things that came out during that time that were really important. Um, Boys on the Side came out, Drew Barrymore and Whoopi Goldberg.
44:57 Speaker 02 Wow.
44:57 Speaker 05 Um, and, um.
45:00 Speaker 05 And Mary Louise, Mary Louise Derivis was in that too.
45:03 Speaker 02 Uh huh.
45:03 Speaker 05 And then, uh, oh my god.
45:06 Speaker 01 Was that also L Word time?
45:07 Speaker 05 It was just before, it was Queer as Folk.
45:10 Speaker 02 Oh, Queer as Folk.
45:10 Speaker 05 Queer as Folk. L Word came after that.
45:12 Speaker 02 Uh huh.
45:13 Speaker 05 But The Birdcage with Nathan Lane.
45:15 Speaker 02 Oh, huge.
45:16 Speaker 05 I still, that is the movie I put on if I need to like have a laugh.
45:21 Speaker 01 So wild to know that he remained closeted publicly through even the promotion of that movie. Yeah, well, it was like he, he would go out for interviews alongside Robin and they would ask uncomfortable questions.
45:34 Speaker 02 Oprah asked him, Oprah asked Nathan Lane, like, so, like, just, I forget what she asked specifically. Robin Williams, like, gets in there and the most respectful way to all involved is just like, that's just like not, you know, we're, we're just here portraying, like, we were, we just had so much fun portraying this couple, like, let's, I mean, it's, it's incredible.
45:51 Speaker 01 And lighten the atmosphere and made jokes out of it like he would to like, you know, steer away from what was completely uncharted terrain. It's just so funny to think about how maximalist country music was at that time, too.
46:04 Speaker 05 Well, we had so many divas. That's the other thing, too. It was like, there was like, you, we had your bet, share.
46:10 Speaker 01 Yeah.
46:10 Speaker 05 You know, um, your bet, share pop moment and then we had your. We had Reba and we had Wynonna Judd, by the way, Wynonna Judd.
46:20 Speaker 01 Yeah, everything.
46:21 Speaker 05 Yeah, exactly. And so we, we definitely had these kind of country divas, which led to Shania Twain.
46:25 Speaker 01 Yes.
46:26 Speaker 05 You know?
46:27 Speaker 02 Another Canadian legend like KD.
46:29 Speaker 05 Another Canadian legend.
46:31 Speaker 01 And also, you know, like, I just remember, like, oh, god, one of the best ever is, um, "Does he love you?" "Does he love me?" Love that shit. "Does he think of you when he's holding me?" "Does he whisper?" "Does he whisper?" And then, oh, so good.
46:53 Speaker 02 That music video, oh, those looks.
46:55 Speaker 01 No, that's what I mean, like, that gay ass song.
46:57 Speaker 05 Oh.
46:58 Speaker 01 Like, that you know every drag queen is trying to get their other drag queen to do it with them, but it's like, what is this? Like, you got, if you know, you know.
47:06 Speaker 05 If you know, you know. And that's what I'm talking about. That is a culture, that is the cultural moment that most impacted me.
47:13 Speaker 02 Wow.
47:14 Speaker 05 Because it created a different kind.
47:17 Speaker 01 Of thinking.
47:18 Speaker 05 Of, of expressing yourself.
47:20 Speaker 01 Have you connected with Kelly Clarkson about this?
47:23 Speaker 05 We never talked about it, but every time I love her.
47:25 Speaker 01 You guys are right there.
47:26 Speaker 05 Oh, are we?
47:27 Speaker 01 Yes, and I also feel like you guys are family in terms of your vocals.
47:30 Speaker 02 It's not a gay thing, you're right, you're right.
47:32 Speaker 01 You're really, like, I feel like when I listen to her, I listen, I, I feel like there's, like, you guys sing from a similar.
47:39 Speaker 05 She can really sing.
47:42 Speaker 01 Yeah.
47:43 Speaker 05 I mean, that girl.
47:44 Speaker 01 She's a freak.
47:45 Speaker 05 She is an actual freak. Her mix, like, her ability to be up, and she doesn't actually have a head voice. Like, it goes all the way to the top.
47:53 Speaker 01 She's crazy.
47:53 Speaker 05 Where her head voice would be, and she, there's no break in it. And it's, it's incredible what she can do, how she can control it. She's steady, too.
48:00 Speaker 01 I bring her up because.
48:01 Speaker 05 I sing with her in one thing.
48:02 Speaker 01 Yeah, oh, gosh.
48:03 Speaker 05 And send it to you.
48:03 Speaker 01 Just, please, um, the best ever because she had, like, again, like, I was like 11 when Kelly was on American Idol, and American Idol exposed me so much to the other genres of music, because I think it did for so many kids.
48:18 Speaker 05 It did, too.
48:18 Speaker 01 That age. And she sang "Does He Love You" with her idol, Reba McEntire, on American Idol years ago. After she had won, they did like a special, and it was like, now Kelly's gonna sing with her idol. And it was Reba McEntire, and they sang "Does He Love You", and Reba did her part, and, you know, like, it was, it was just so great. And so hearing you talk about them, I just wondered.
48:40 Speaker 05 Oh, I'm gonna tell you something so much fun, then. Here's a little bit of inside ball for you about Reba McEntire and Kelly Clarkson. So I went to the wedding of Blake Shelton and Miranda Lambert.
48:50 Speaker 01 Wow.
48:51 Speaker 05 I sang them down the aisle with a story.
48:54 Speaker 01 Another era.
48:55 Speaker 05 Yeah, back in the day. Not everybody knows this.
48:57 Speaker 01 Yeah.
48:57 Speaker 05 And they had a party at the end, like you would expect, and there was karaoke.
49:02 Speaker 01 Oh.
49:02 Speaker 05 And everybody was, like, getting drunk and singing karaoke, and Kelly Clarkson was there, and Reba McEntire was there.
49:08 Speaker 01 Stop.
49:09 Speaker 05 And they started singing together, and then they just, like, didn't get off the stage.
49:14 Speaker 01 Well, that's fine.
49:14 Speaker 05 The party was over, and we had to take these, like, shuttle buses to, you know, back to the hotel. And I remember a whole shuttle bus was waiting for Reba McEntire, and I could hear her singing "Fancy" from the bus, singing her own songs on stage, karaoke-ing with Kelly Clarkson doing harmonies. And I was like, these bitches are everything everybody hopes they are, and no one knows.
49:32 Speaker 01 No.
49:32 Speaker 05 But now you know.
49:34 Speaker 01 It's so good.
49:35 Speaker 05 So rad.
49:36 Speaker 01 Also, Kelly's cover of "Fancy" at the Kennedy Center, forget it.
49:40 Speaker 05 I remember it all very well, looking back, it was the summer of 1918.
49:43 Speaker 01 You gotta do it!
49:45 Speaker 05 I know every word.
49:47 Speaker 01 Have you, has this been recorded, you singing Fancy?
49:50 Speaker 05 I get drunk and sing this all the time.
49:53 Speaker 01 But now you're touring.
49:53 Speaker 05 All the time. And I don't even look at the screen. I don't even glance at it. I know it so well.
49:57 Speaker 01 You know it in your bone.
49:58 Speaker 05 Yes.
49:58 Speaker 01 That's one of the best songs ever.
50:00 Speaker 05 Ever. It's so dark.
50:02 Speaker 01 It's so dark.
50:04 Speaker 05 And Bobby Gentry, that's the night the lights went out in Georgia, same thing. All that, that whole, she was gonna, no one knows where she is, by the way, Bobby Gentry.
50:12 Speaker 01 What?
50:13 Speaker 05 Yeah. Do you not know that?
50:15 Speaker 01 She missing?
50:16 Speaker 05 She's totally missing. She just went poof and like disappeared. And people have said that they've found her and like no one knows where she is.
50:23 Speaker 01 Oh my God. That's dark.
50:25 Speaker 05 I feel like she was the OG Lana, actually.
50:27 Speaker 01 Oh.
50:28 Speaker 05 Yeah.
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53:12 Speaker 07 Hi, it's Kathleen Griffith, co-host of the Unshakeables podcast. Listen in as Ron and Kelly Moore share their story.
53:21 Speaker 06 I'm Ron Moore.
53:22 Speaker 04 And I'm Kelly Moore. And starting our own business in our 50s was a little scary, but exciting.
53:30 Speaker 06 The biggest advantage was our community. The whole thing about business is relationships.
53:35 Speaker 04 We'll say team a lot, not just our internal team. It's the team of our vendors, the team of our clients.
53:42 Speaker 06 We help the Veterans Resource Center, and we give scholarships. I'm doing this for my heart, for my children, for you, for your children's family. I don't want anything back. And I tell a lot of people, don't give back to me. Pay it forward.
53:57 Speaker 04 If you work to give, you just see the world differently.
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54:07 Speaker 05 Wherever you get your podcasts.
54:11 Speaker 02 We were down in New Orleans.
54:12 Speaker 01 New Orleans and we were there for a bachelor bachelor party, Joel Kim Booster's bachelor party, and we were gonna go on a swamp tour. And we thought, do we go the extra hour out of our way to get Lana Del Rey's husband to give us a swamp tour?
54:25 Speaker 05 Yes, yes, we do.
54:26 Speaker 01 We didn't, but we should have.
54:27 Speaker 05 You really should have.
54:28 Speaker 01 I know.
54:29 Speaker 02 Is a swamp tour your vibe or no? That's just a bridge too far.
54:32 Speaker 05 I've done several swamp tours, yeah.
54:33 Speaker 01 Yeah, I was gonna say you'd love it.
54:34 Speaker 02 But, but what Pacific Northwest is nice where it's like the humidity is not oppressive.
54:39 Speaker 05 No, no, the Northwest is beautiful, but when you go down to Louisiana, you gotta do swamp tours.
54:42 Speaker 01 You gotta get on the swamp tour.
54:44 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah.
54:44 Speaker 02 So I loved it.
54:45 Speaker 01 I, I, that was on my, it was pouring too, but it was kind of good.
54:48 Speaker 05 Yeah, that's right.
54:49 Speaker 01 The way they, the crocodiles, crocodiles, the way the alligators come up like dogs.
54:53 Speaker 05 Yeah, so sweet.
54:54 Speaker 01 Cause they're like, it's time to eat, and they just go.
54:58 Speaker 01 It was freakish. I couldn't believe a dinosaur was on the boat.
55:02 Speaker 02 Was on the boat.
55:03 Speaker 05 Yeah.
55:03 Speaker 01 But they, they, they were so endearing. No, they were great.
55:06 Speaker 05 Well, and you see them in like the primitive, like, part of you knows that they're prehistoric in a way, and you're just like, you know you're witnessing something really interesting. People who live down there, they're just like fish to them.
55:17 Speaker 01 No, my favorite was our, our boat captain was like, someone asked, um, so how long have you been friends with this alligator? And he goes, oh, we're not friends. We're not friends. He will be my, he will be my finger roll. And then shows us his pinky with one. One fast move, he will get me. He will get me. He don't, he'll be my finger roll. And then we were like, oh my god.
55:39 Speaker 02 It was, they are, these are, these, these people are incredible.
55:45 Speaker 01 His name was Kelly. I'm Kelly. I'm Kelly. Kevin Kelly. He will get me.
55:50 Speaker 05 I feel like he is one of my family members.
55:52 Speaker 02 Yeah.
55:53 Speaker 05 That feels like my life.
55:54 Speaker 01 He felt family to us by the end.
55:55 Speaker 05 Yeah.
55:56 Speaker 01 He was surprisingly accepting of our homosexuality, I feel.
55:59 Speaker 02 We were gay guys.
56:00 Speaker 01 Gay guys on that boat.
56:01 Speaker 05 Okay.
56:02 Speaker 02 And he was very sweet.
56:03 Speaker 05 Did you play it up for him too?
56:04 Speaker 01 It wasn't played, it didn't need to be, like, when a, when a, again, I almost said crocodile. When an alligator hops on the boat, gay guys are gonna scream. That's a little culture number six. When an alligator hops on the boat, gay guys are gonna scream.
56:14 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah, that's true.
56:15 Speaker 01 That has to be.
56:16 Speaker 05 Plus, he knew the first time you said crocodile. He knew right then. He was like.
56:20 Speaker 01 It's a funner word to say. You know, alligators just doesn't, not, not a good, not a good. Crocodile is the gay alligator, and that's a little culture number nine. Crocodile is the gay alligator. It's just, crocodiles live in a different part of the world.
56:32 Speaker 02 That's right. Now, do you get like, I'm gonna say the word,
56:39 Speaker 02 fussy about wildlife identification? Because I feel like since you're a fisherman, you can, of course, you have to be like, well, that's a cod, and that's a this, and that's a that. I'm like, it's all fish. It's all in the water.
56:52 Speaker 01 So are you offended?
56:53 Speaker 02 Are you offended? When we say crocodile?
56:56 Speaker 05 Fundamentally offended. Not about the crocodile thing, but when you say it's all fish, it's like...
57:00 Speaker 01 That's crazy.
57:01 Speaker 05 That is a diverse spectrum of sea life.
57:05 Speaker 02 Walk us through, because it's not my culture yet.
57:08 Speaker 01 Walk us through the ocean.
57:10 Speaker 02 But watching you pull up these fish, it's incredible.
57:13 Speaker 05 Fishing season starts today. And, yes, this is my spiritual holiday. And I have, my RV is running at home. I will be in that RV the minute I land, and I'll be headed out to the Straits of Andefuka to go and catch ling cod and rockfish. So there are entire seasons around these species. And they can live, you know, the fish I'm talking about live in 20 to 60 feet of water. Like, by July, I'll be out in thousands of feet of water fishing for halibut on, you know, underwater plateaus of 500 feet with electric reels. And then it's gonna be spot prawn season, and I'll be dropping, you know, spot prawn cages 400 feet down and catching like nine-inch prawns. Yeah, yeah.
57:58 Speaker 05 And then it'll be Dungeness crab.
58:00 Speaker 01 Oh, I love Dungeness crab, the best crab.
58:02 Speaker 05 Yeah, so this is what we do. Come up to the Pacific.
58:04 Speaker 01 I used to work at a crab restaurant.
58:07 Speaker 05 Okay.
58:08 Speaker 01 And Dungeness crab by far the best from the northwest.
58:10 Speaker 05 I didn't know we had that intersection.
58:12 Speaker 01 And a Kumamoto oyster.
58:13 Speaker 05 Kumamoto oyster.
58:14 Speaker 01 Kumamoto oyster. And a Kumamoto oyster. Baby!
58:18 Speaker 02 Is that PNW?
58:19 Speaker 05 Well, originally, it would be in Japan, but we farm them, and we have them around in Penn Cove.
58:25 Speaker 02 They share an ocean.
58:26 Speaker 05 Some spots, yeah.
58:27 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
58:27 Speaker 05 Yeah, it's conducive.
58:29 Speaker 02 You were, sorry, you were in the zone. You were, you're talking electric cages, electric...
58:35 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah, there's...
58:38 Speaker 02 I'm, I'm wrapped.
58:40 Speaker 05 Yeah, well, there are so many different seasons and so many different fish and ways to catch them and places to go. And then all the things that happen around that little ritual of like, oh, you know, it's halibut season. We're gonna go out here and we're gonna get halibut. But when you're out there, that's when you see the orcas. Or that's just off the Olympic mountains enough to where you've got this beautiful mountain view all the time. But you have to take Dramamine because you're in the swells. And so everything has little details like associated with it. And that's why fishing is like such an immersive culture that you get into. And you just like, you speak to people on the dock in a series of grunts instead of words. And everybody gets called captain and, and nobody's a singer or, you know, it's like.
59:20 Speaker 02 Everyone's on the same level on the open seas.
59:22 Speaker 05 Same level on the open seas.
59:24 Speaker 02 You ever come face to face with a great white?
59:26 Speaker 05 No, we don't really do the shark thing out there.
59:28 Speaker 02 I hope not.
59:29 Speaker 05 No, we see a lot of orcas.
59:31 Speaker 02 See, and they're, they're just as.
59:33 Speaker 01 Dangerous.
59:34 Speaker 05 They are scary.
59:35 Speaker 02 They are.
59:35 Speaker 05 But they're beautiful. They're so beautiful.
59:38 Speaker 02 You've got sea lions out there.
59:39 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah, they're huge, huge.
59:41 Speaker 02 I love them.
59:42 Speaker 05 They're amazing. I like they just flop everywhere.
59:45 Speaker 02 I agree.
59:45 Speaker 05 They just like slug into the water.
59:48 Speaker 02 What say you about that phenomenon that was happening with the orca whales a couple of years ago? Where they started to sort of strike back?
59:55 Speaker 05 Yeah, they're doing that in Europe. It's, I do not know what to say about that. My suspicion is that there are many things called orca whales.
1:00:03 Speaker 02 Okay.
1:00:04 Speaker 05 And that these are totally different critters than what we see up in the P and W. But, um, so that's what I tell myself when I'm offshore in my own boat.
1:00:13 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:00:14 Speaker 05 But we have not seen a single aggressive tactic from an orca whale in the Midwest ever.
1:00:19 Speaker 02 I should hope not.
1:00:20 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:00:21 Speaker 02 So you, you love this culture because it is completely outside of what you do professionally, let's say.
1:00:28 Speaker 05 I think so.
1:00:29 Speaker 02 And that is refreshing. And so therefore it would be just a complete adulteration of the beauty of fishing. If you were to like write music about it. Like if you, if you were to like, is there a fishing album in the future? I think if you, if Brandy Carlisle came out with like a yacht rock fishing album, wow.
1:00:45 Speaker 05 I could do that.
1:00:46 Speaker 02 Yes, you could.
1:00:47 Speaker 05 I could do it. I did sing.
1:00:48 Speaker 01 I'm gonna do it first.
1:00:50 Speaker 05 He's like trademarking anything that could be my fishing album idea.
1:00:57 Speaker 05 No, I think it would, it would. I want fishing to come into my job in, in, in a different way, I think. I've been thinking about it, about what I could do to make fishing a part of my job.
1:01:08 Speaker 02 A barge concert.
1:01:09 Speaker 05 A barge concert.
1:01:10 Speaker 01 Well, thoughts on Jimmy Buffett?
1:01:12 Speaker 05 Oh my God, I loved Jimmy Buffett.
1:01:14 Speaker 01 We're from a parrot head family.
1:01:16 Speaker 05 Oh my God. So me, I got to be friends with Jimmy Buffett towards the end of his life.
1:01:20 Speaker 01 That rocks.
1:01:21 Speaker 05 And I sang at his memorial.
1:01:24 Speaker 01 Oh, you did?
1:01:25 Speaker 05 Come Monday, yeah.
1:01:26 Speaker 01 Oh, you sang Come Monday?
1:01:27 Speaker 05 I did, I did.
1:01:28 Speaker 01 Oh, God.
1:01:29 Speaker 05 And before Jimmy died, I could text him from anywhere in the world and I could say, hey,
1:01:35 Speaker 05 I'm in, you know, I'm off of St. John and I'm, I want to go northwest and I want to get some tuna. What do I do?
1:01:42 Speaker 01 He would know.
1:01:43 Speaker 05 And he'd go, go to bed early tomorrow morning. I got my guy coming to pick you up. And there'd be somebody to take me on a boat from the accent by Jimmy Buffett. Or I was sent in boats by Jimmy Buffett to catch fish so many fricking times that he couldn't even come do because he was doing concerts or on the road.
1:01:56 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:01:57 Speaker 05 But he just wants other people to be able to fish.
1:01:59 Speaker 01 Wow.
1:02:00 Speaker 05 Yeah. And, and then I would get like phone calls and texts from like random lesbians and they'd be like, I hope you don't mind. We got your phone number from Jimmy Buffett.
1:02:09 Speaker 05 It's like, that's how he would make friends with random lesbians, like on the water. He'd like meet like a lesbian couple, like unloading their boat and he'd be like, y'all know Brandy Carlisle?
1:02:18 Speaker 01 Just like, there's lesbians, I love it.
1:02:21 Speaker 02 Y'all must be Brandy fans.
1:02:22 Speaker 01 He was putting in the gospel.
1:02:24 Speaker 05 Oh, man.
1:02:25 Speaker 01 That's beautiful.
1:02:26 Speaker 05 I loved Jimmy Buffett and I love, love his wife, Jane.
1:02:30 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah. I just like, he was a fixture in my life growing up. And my dad was such a parrot head that we, I don't think he knew this was happening, but he collected parrots to the point where our whole back room was just a parrot room. And I would have friends come up.
1:02:44 Speaker 05 In honor of Jimmy Buffett.
1:02:45 Speaker 02 You saw it, right? I saw it. It's gorgeous.
1:02:47 Speaker 01 It was, I mean, there were so many parrots everywhere. And then I think he's, I think he was like, maybe I have to take some parrots, some parrots down because Matthew keeps breaking his friends home and they laugh at the room.
1:02:55 Speaker 02 No, it's not that we, no, we didn't laugh.
1:02:57 Speaker 01 It was just a lot of parrots.
1:02:58 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:02:59 Speaker 02 It was just, it was just a shrine to, to Jimmy.
1:03:01 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:03:01 Speaker 02 It was amazing.
1:03:02 Speaker 01 He's a way of life.
1:03:03 Speaker 05 Did his family get you into Jimmy Buffett too?
1:03:05 Speaker 02 I.
1:03:05 Speaker 05 Do you know any songs?
1:03:06 Speaker 02 I don't know too many Jimmy Buffett songs. I love. I love, um, I love Margaritaville.
1:03:12 Speaker 01 Yeah, I love Margaritaville, but I'm talking about the deep cuts.
1:03:14 Speaker 02 The deep cuts.
1:03:14 Speaker 05 He's kinda like Kenny Rogers in that way. He has like all this other stuff. It's like folk music. That's just, that's kind of, will really take you by surprise. But he didn't, he didn't worry about telling it how it was in a song. Kinda like Willie Nelson.
1:03:24 Speaker 01 Uh huh. Yeah.
1:03:25 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:03:26 Speaker 01 Bowen, even as someone who doesn't know where he's gonna go when the volcano blows.
1:03:33 Speaker 01 Still doesn't know.
1:03:34 Speaker 05 It's so good and not, he did not take himself too seriously.
1:03:37 Speaker 01 No, I love that. I love that. I feel like we're missing, well, you know, that's actually kinda not true. That got high again.
1:03:43 Speaker 05 I was gonna say, why am I?
1:03:45 Speaker 01 And now I'm warming up around you. Um, no, but I feel like I do like in lyrics. It's, it's why I like Sabrina Carpenter so much.
1:03:52 Speaker 05 I love her lyrics.
1:03:53 Speaker 01 She just will fucking, and Charlie does this too. It's like, you can tell they were just having fun and following the fun lyrically.
1:04:00 Speaker 05 Uh huh.
1:04:00 Speaker 01 And I think that's what gets people singing your songs forever. Like, "I'm working late cuz I'm a singer" sounds like a Jimmy Buffett lyric.
1:04:08 Speaker 05 Uh, it does.
1:04:08 Speaker 01 You know what I mean?
1:04:09 Speaker 05 Are you guys into C-Mat yet?
1:04:10 Speaker 01 Yes, oh my god, she's opening for you.
1:04:13 Speaker 05 Because I'm obs, I mean, I watch everything that, that, that band does. I think she is such a star.
1:04:20 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:04:20 Speaker 05 We, we have her for like five seconds and then she will be untouchable to all of us.
1:04:24 Speaker 01 Uh. Isn't that a great feeling though?
1:04:26 Speaker 05 I, yeah, because I really don't think anything can stop her. I think she's a once every 500 years star.
1:04:31 Speaker 02 It's unlike anything I've heard in, well, it's, it's, it's, I, I haven't heard anything like her, her You're a Country album, like in so long.
1:04:38 Speaker 05 No, and just-
1:04:40 Speaker 02 Uh, yeah, A Coachella, and then, and then Jensen McCray's opening for you.
1:04:43 Speaker 01 We love Jensen McCray.
1:04:45 Speaker 05 Oh man, you wanna talk about lyrics? Lethal lyricist. Lethal lyricist.
1:04:50 Speaker 02 So good, that whole album.
1:04:51 Speaker 01 We had her perform Massachusetts on the Culture Awards last year. We gave it a record of the year nom. I, I literally got in her DMs. I was like, "Hi, I'm a huge fan. Can you perform on the show?" She came, her brother accompanied her, she looked absolutely beautiful.
1:05:03 Speaker 05 Yeah, she's radiant.
1:05:04 Speaker 01 So amazing.
1:05:05 Speaker 05 She's got four voices in one voice like Jewel too.
1:05:07 Speaker 01 She really does.
1:05:08 Speaker 05 Yes.
1:05:09 Speaker 01 She's fab.
1:05:10 Speaker 05 We did a song together, actually.
1:05:11 Speaker 01 Oh, really?
1:05:12 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:05:12 Speaker 01 You did?
1:05:13 Speaker 05 Yeah. God has a hit man.
1:05:14 Speaker 01 Ugh.
1:05:15 Speaker 05 It's really great song. Yeah. Also, we cover, um, Dear Mr. President.
1:05:20 Speaker 01 Yes, I remember that from Pink.
1:05:22 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:05:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, Pink and the Indigo Girls.
1:05:24 Speaker 05 Yeah, she's always a Girls Just Wanna. You guys, you gotta be there.
1:05:26 Speaker 01 No, we're coming. We're definitely coming. Oh, that's, that's gonna be a moment in time.
1:05:31 Speaker 02 But then, but then you're gonna be, you're not gonna be drinking. We're gonna get.
1:05:34 Speaker 05 Oh, no, no, I did. That's the wayler.
1:05:36 Speaker 01 Yeah, we throw it out the window there. Girls Just Wanna Drink.
1:05:39 Speaker 05 By the end of the, I'm so red and bloated. The tequila fully has permeated my being at that point.
1:05:47 Speaker 01 Where are you, though?
1:05:48 Speaker 02 Good for you, because where in Mexico is it?
1:05:49 Speaker 05 It's, um, Playa de Carmen.
1:05:51 Speaker 01 Oh, fab.
1:05:53 Speaker 05 It's so fab. It's so good. And everybody there is like, it's just really, it's such a free place. Like, I can't tell you, it's like, everybody there is getting a break from something that holds them back at home. Whether it's like body consciousness, or a lack of safety, or acceptance. Or there is something that everybody is gonna get a temporary break from at, at that weekend. And then they're gonna recharge their batteries and they're gonna go home and get to work. But it's that kind of an environment. That's what it's for. We don't ignore what's wrong with anything or anyone. But it's not a place to feel self-conscious or inhibited. And so it makes it really wild.
1:06:35 Speaker 01 It's a cathartic community experience.
1:06:37 Speaker 05 It is, yeah. And it's wild. Like, I'm not gonna say it's not wild. We go crazy. But then, but somebody said about it, but it's the kind of place where if you lose your child, they're gonna come back to you fed with sunscreen on.
1:06:49 Speaker 01 More educated.
1:06:51 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:06:51 Speaker 01 With a better sense of the world.
1:06:52 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:06:53 Speaker 02 I'm having a kid just so I can lose them. Ah, Girls Just Wanna. That's amazing.
1:06:58 Speaker 01 That's a really good t-shirt idea.
1:07:00 Speaker 05 When I was 17, I was at Lilith Fair, which was in 1997. And I was just a little punk-ass baby dyke with, you know, an inch and a half of bleach blonde hair. Now I have about three inches. And. I had like a big bucket of Mountain Dew and I was like going back up to my like the the the Mountain Dew hut to like get my free refill of Mountain Dew. And this like some lesbian standing behind and lying behind me and she sees my sunburned shoulders and she's like, what are you getting? And I was like, I'm getting my Mountain Dew refill and she's like, no, you need to drink some water. And I was like, I was like, well, that's expensive. The refill's free or whatever. And she's like, I'm gonna get you some water and just hold still. I need to get some sunscreen on these shoulders.
1:07:43 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:07:44 Speaker 05 And I mean, that was my experience of Lilith Fair. I thought I was being so punk rocking to go to that festival without my parents.
1:07:49 Speaker 01 And you dated her for 19 years.
1:07:50 Speaker 05 And I dated her.
1:07:51 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:07:52 Speaker 05 We actually got married. Kind of exactly.
1:07:57 Speaker 01 Well.
1:07:58 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:07:59 Speaker 02 I mean, we'll be there. We gotta go.
1:08:01 Speaker 01 We have to catch the vibe that girls just wanna.
1:08:03 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:08:04 Speaker 01 I mean. It's supposed to be because, you know, Coachella's gonna make it difficult to see everyone. It's actually time. It might be time.
1:08:11 Speaker 02 It might be time to do I Don't Think So Honey.
1:08:12 Speaker 01 Transition into I Don't Think So Honey, because I'm hot on this now.
1:08:13 Speaker 02 Okay, alright.
1:08:14 Speaker 05 Yeah, maybe you guys have about one more year of being Coachella gays and after that.
1:08:18 Speaker 02 I know.
1:08:19 Speaker 01 No, you're right.
1:08:20 Speaker 02 No, you're right.
1:08:21 Speaker 05 You got another decade. You got another decade.
1:08:23 Speaker 01 I see, that's the thing too, is like, I love, I love, what I love about it is that you see everyone, like, I loved, a couple of years ago Debbie Harry was playing Coachella.
1:08:29 Speaker 05 Oh.
1:08:30 Speaker 01 And I was like, it was clear that like so many people were there just to see Debbie.
1:08:34 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:08:35 Speaker 01 And I loved that about it. I was like, all you really need is to follow the one artist.
1:08:38 Speaker 05 And you could sort of see them.
1:08:39 Speaker 01 Yeah. And what I also loved is like, every year without fare, without fail, I don't know why I can't speak to that.
1:08:46 Speaker 02 Lilith Fair, yeah.
1:08:47 Speaker 01 Every year without fail, I end up discovering someone who's huge two years later. Like, two years ago, we were walking and I was, it was the Gobi 10 and I was just like, I like what I'm hearing over here. And it was Olivia Dean.
1:08:59 Speaker 05 Oh.
1:09:00 Speaker 01 And now she's like, truly international.
1:09:04 Speaker 05 Joni loves her.
1:09:05 Speaker 01 Really? That's great.
1:09:07 Speaker 02 What a, what a huge vote of confidence.
1:09:08 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:09:09 Speaker 02 Oh my god.
1:09:10 Speaker 05 And like, she doesn't write an essay on it, she just saw her sing and was like, that's great.
1:09:13 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:09:14 Speaker 02 Wow.
1:09:15 Speaker 01 What do you think it is that gets her, is it like, is it the thoughtful singing? Is it the lyrics? What pings Joni?
1:09:21 Speaker 05 I wish I knew.
1:09:22 Speaker 01 You don't know?
1:09:23 Speaker 05 I don't know, like, there's just certain. Certain things like even, you know, we, I watched the whole Grammys with her, sat next to her, you know, which is harrowing. The camera and and and there were only just, there was a few things where she was like, wow. And Olivia was one of them.
1:09:40 Speaker 01 Love that.
1:09:41 Speaker 05 Yeah, I love it too. So I actually never know. I think it's like some kind of a weird lie detector test she has for authenticity or something like that.
1:09:48 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:09:48 Speaker 05 Which is what I hope it is, you know, and I think that's pretty powerful.
1:09:52 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:09:53 Speaker 02 And and like, at the risk of sounding like horribly ageist, it's like, well, that's proof that like the her like her meter is like very attuned. It's like she's still like can watch something, receive it and be like, that's good, that's unremarkable, whatever.
1:10:08 Speaker 05 And she's beholden to nothing. She's not beholden to my opinion of her opinion, you know, it's just whatever she thinks. I will say she is obsessed. I'm not gonna say obsessed because that's beneath Joni to say that word, but she is really loves Bruno Mars.
1:10:23 Speaker 01 Of course she is.
1:10:24 Speaker 05 Absolutely loves Bruno Mars.
1:10:27 Speaker 01 He's a talent.
1:10:28 Speaker 05 Until Bruno Mars had played and was just like, you know, it's not like Joni can just get stand up, but she was like, I'm standing up.
1:10:36 Speaker 01 Yeah, spiritually, I'm dancing to Apeta. Yeah.
1:10:41 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:10:41 Speaker 01 She loves it.
1:10:42 Speaker 02 That's her favorite Bruno song, Apeta.
1:10:44 Speaker 05 Well, she likes the Silk Sonic stuff.
1:10:46 Speaker 01 It's so good.
1:10:47 Speaker 05 All the time getting ready and stuff.
1:10:49 Speaker 01 That's the thing is ultimately it is great.
1:10:51 Speaker 05 Yeah. And she always goes, I'm a dangerous man with some money.
1:10:57 Speaker 01 That's kind of Joni.
1:10:58 Speaker 02 Don't believe her, just watch.
1:11:02 Speaker 02 I love that song.
1:11:03 Speaker 01 All right, we gotta do I Don't Think So Honey. Um, this is, if you don't know, now you know, our one minute segment where we take something in culture that's not so great or that we feel away about. We work it out on the remix, AKA the podcast. I have something.
1:11:17 Speaker 02 Okay, great. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think Sony's time starts now.
1:11:20 Speaker 01 I don't think so, honey. Coachella because the set times have come out.
1:11:24 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:11:24 Speaker 01 By now that it will already have happened. So I'll already have figured this out, but I don't want to decide between some of these artists.
1:11:31 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:11:31 Speaker 01 And you don't make it easy too, because they're very. Far away, so I can't split time at the Sahara and the Mojave. It's like a true journey. And I don't think so, honey, that like Sabrina Carpenter is also not last on Friday. You know what I mean? It's like, there's a whole bunch of stuff happens. You were excited about disclosure after Sabrina.
1:11:49 Speaker 02 Thirty seconds, that could be fun.
1:11:50 Speaker 01 He wants to catch a vibe. Um, but basically I'm not actually upset because I'll just get there and I'll kind of vibe out and I will, and I'll only 40% be here on the physical plane. So by the time everything happens, I'll be fine, but Coachella, just make it a little bit easier. There's a big confident, uh, Duke Dumont and Major Lazer. That shouldn't be at the same time. Um, and that happens again and again. Um, but I don't think so, honey, Coachella for this reason. I do think so, honey, that you give those water bottles out. There's only $2 and you can, you can refill them. You know, you could be charging $19 a water bottle and you don't do that. So thank you, Coachella. I'll give you credit for that. Uh, how many some do I have?
1:12:26 Speaker 02 Yeah, then that's it.
1:12:27 Speaker 01 That's it.
1:12:29 Speaker 01 Yes, this is okay.
1:12:31 Speaker 02 Um, you know. If it were Europe, the, the water would be free.
1:12:34 Speaker 01 Uh, would it? $2 water bottle at Coachella is not bad though. It's refillable, like you know, they could be.
1:12:41 Speaker 05 Yeah, a lot worse.
1:12:42 Speaker 01 Throwing the girls under the bus.
1:12:44 Speaker 02 Yeah. We'll put in money for free waters at Girls Just Wanna.
1:12:46 Speaker 05 Okay.
1:12:46 Speaker 02 Unless you're already doing that.
1:12:48 Speaker 05 Well, you know, we definitely have fill stations.
1:12:51 Speaker 01 You hydrate the community.
1:12:52 Speaker 05 All those things.
1:12:52 Speaker 02 You have.
1:12:53 Speaker 05 Very concerned about.
1:12:54 Speaker 02 Doting, a doting lesbian giving sunscreen and water because of that person who had that.
1:12:59 Speaker 05 Yeah, there's a fleet of them. They're all my exes.
1:13:02 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:13:03 Speaker 05 They're all 60.
1:13:03 Speaker 01 You can trust all of these people. I've had 10 plus year relationships with each and every one of them.
1:13:09 Speaker 02 And it's, and that's community.
1:13:10 Speaker 01 Yeah, hello.
1:13:11 Speaker 02 All right.
1:13:12 Speaker 01 Are you ready?
1:13:13 Speaker 02 I'm ready.
1:13:14 Speaker 01 This is Bowen Yang's. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.
1:13:17 Speaker 02 I don't think so, honey. Lesbians not being in the audience. I think that they are, they are the true, perfect receptors of art and culture. I think anytime there is not a lesbian in the, I think we would not be where we are without lesbians in the crowd.
1:13:34 Speaker 01 No.
1:13:34 Speaker 02 I think without that beautiful sort of frequency in the communal space and the collective consciousness that we experience in performances, we would be, we would be nothing. We would be nothing. And I feel like. As gay men, we kind of are, we put our blinders on and we kind of just are performing to other gay men sometimes. And I think we need to let that go. And I need, this is sort of a self-call in, a self-check in, a self-call out.
1:14:00 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:14:01 Speaker 02 That I, we need to sort of-
1:14:02 Speaker 01 Fifteen seconds.
1:14:03 Speaker 02 Really extricate ourselves from this sort of potentially toxic dynamic that I'm in as it relates to other gay men. I think this is-
1:14:12 Speaker 01 Five seconds.
1:14:12 Speaker 02 Something that I am really willing to intentionally explore more with you. Not that we haven't done it before, but I think as we plan our own live shows, let's really talk about that. Not, not in a pandering way, of course.
1:14:21 Speaker 01 Well, that's one minute. I have, first of all, the only concerts I ever go to are Muna. So I don't know what you're talking about. They know, those Munas, they see me every show.
1:14:34 Speaker 02 And they hate to see you come in.
1:14:38 Speaker 01 Are you a Muna fan?
1:14:39 Speaker 05 I'm, of course, they did Girls Just Wanna. I love them. We did, oh, guess what song we all did together?
1:14:44 Speaker 01 What?
1:14:44 Speaker 05 I'm a bitch. Oh, Meredith, I'm a child, I'm a mother.
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1:16:36 Speaker 06 I'm Ron Moore.
1:16:37 Speaker 04 And I'm Kelly Moore. And starting our own business in our 50s was a little scary, but exciting.
1:16:46 Speaker 06 The biggest advantage was our community. The whole thing about business is relationships.
1:16:51 Speaker 04 We'll say team a lot, not just our internal team. It's the team of our vendors, the team of our clients.
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1:17:12 Speaker 04 If you work to give, you just see the world differently.
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1:17:32 Speaker 01 I know.
1:17:32 Speaker 05 We kind of complete each other.
1:17:34 Speaker 01 We do. I think there's been less conflict though, as of, I think in the Trump presidency, I don't think we fight as much. I don't, I don't think there's like, I don't think we're rubbing up against each other.
1:17:45 Speaker 05 No, it's a lot less. There's been some cross pollination and I would, I would attribute that to the younger generation. We got like Chapel Rome bringing us together and shit, you know?
1:17:53 Speaker 01 You must love the Chaps.
1:17:55 Speaker 05 I love her.
1:17:56 Speaker 01 Yeah. Because Elton, because Elton was actually one of the people who was just like, that girl is special. And you're like, well, fucking.
1:18:02 Speaker 05 Very early on.
1:18:03 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:18:03 Speaker 05 Very, very, very early on. And then I got to, she asked me to interview her, I interviewed her. And it's not like the easiest thing in the world to interview Chapel Rome, as you guys know.
1:18:13 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:18:15 Speaker 05 And. I loved it. It made me want to interview.
1:18:18 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:18:18 Speaker 05 Because she's just a true artist, you know, she's like, you know, she's one of those, she's not inaccessible, but she's, she's like Seattle, she's gonna make you work for it. She's like Kate Bush.
1:18:27 Speaker 01 You should be the like singer songwriter producer that is interviewing other singer songwriter producers though, because you have vocabulary for every genre. You have like, I don't know, I feel like also like someone from Seattle should be the person doing that. I feel like you're, the reach you have for conversations you could have with people, you should consider it.
1:18:50 Speaker 05 I will. I will. I will consider that because that's such a compliment and I think I would really enjoy it. I'm so interested in them.
1:18:59 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:19:00 Speaker 05 You know, and interested is interesting and, and I think that that would be a really fun thing to do some of my time.
1:19:05 Speaker 01 Just to hear you talk to Chapel about like, I don't know, all of it. What I think, what it would get at something, cause, cause you know, you're right. I feel like there is, and people shouldn't be afraid to be interviewed. You know what I mean? Like, it's, it's got such a weird thing because now we're having the conversation about who should be doing these interviews or like, or what journalism is now, like, should people be challenged, et cetera? I don't think it's about that. I just think it's about, we should have people who are gen- genuinely interested in their subjects interviewing.
1:19:36 Speaker 05 Yeah, that's why this is such a great podcast for that reason, because you guys are just so, you know, communicative communally. Like the fact that you are, we're so interested in each other. I feel like this isn't gonna end when we stop recording.
1:19:49 Speaker 01 No, absolutely not. We're, we're, I'm just, just the fact that someone that you're
1:19:53 Speaker 02 I know.
1:19:54 Speaker 01 level wants to come hang out with us.
1:19:55 Speaker 02 You don't remember this maybe, but you hung out with me and my friend Josh Sharp at an after party once. And then we tried to coax you to come out to Ginger's one night in Park Slope, the lesbian bar in Park Slope.
1:20:04 Speaker 01 Oh my God, everyone, everyone would drop.
1:20:06 Speaker 02 You would be mobbed and so it's, it's, it's for the best.
1:20:09 Speaker 05 I'm into that. I've been going out to lesbian bars after hours recently.
1:20:12 Speaker 01 Really?
1:20:13 Speaker 05 Yeah, I've been doing it.
1:20:14 Speaker 01 Do you enjoy a good mobbing?
1:20:15 Speaker 05 I love it. I love people. You know, I mean, I like be alone. Yeah.
1:20:18 Speaker 01 Yeah, you said people.
1:20:19 Speaker 05 Come up, let's have a beer, we can take a picture. I don't care. It's fine.
1:20:22 Speaker 02 Say the thing.
1:20:22 Speaker 05 No, like by the way, I don't understand, like, nobody ever picked up a guitar and learned how to sing, trying to sing like Freddie Mercury so that nobody would come up to them and go, I'm a fan.
1:20:31 Speaker 02 Of course.
1:20:32 Speaker 05 It's like the audacity in what I do is because I want to draw people
1:20:36 Speaker 02 Of course.
1:20:37 Speaker 05 to me.
1:20:37 Speaker 02 People have personal boundaries on an individual level, but I think I always say, people, like, someone asked me, they were like, are you, like, like, how is it for you? I'm like, 99.99999% of people are kind.
1:20:49 Speaker 01 So great.
1:20:49 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:20:50 Speaker 02 So generous, have nothing but lovely things to say.
1:20:52 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:20:53 Speaker 02 And it's like, why would I, you would never complain about that.
1:20:55 Speaker 05 No.
1:20:56 Speaker 02 Anyway.
1:20:56 Speaker 05 It's not, it's not always fun to have somebody put their phone in your face. And say like, will you, will you talk to my friend? Will you sing my friend happy birthday? Will you say hi to my-
1:21:04 Speaker 01 Coming up with the phone like this is sort of like, alright. So now, now I feel like it's, it's, it's become Pokemon. And when it becomes Pokemon, I'm like-
1:21:14 Speaker 02 I'm out. Wait, I'm so, I'm so in a reverie. Have we gone, have we done Brandy's yet?
1:21:17 Speaker 01 We're doing it now.
1:21:18 Speaker 02 Alright.
1:21:18 Speaker 05 Okay, but I can't decide between two things.
1:21:20 Speaker 02 Okay.
1:21:20 Speaker 01 Do you want our help, or do you want to go with your heart?
1:21:23 Speaker 05 Okay, I'm going with my heart.
1:21:24 Speaker 01 Okay. This is Brandy Carlisle's, I don't think so honey, time starts now.
1:21:30 Speaker 05 I don't think so honey to people that dodge high fives. They're too cool to do a high five.
1:21:36 Speaker 01 Right.
1:21:36 Speaker 05 Do you know what I mean?
1:21:37 Speaker 01 Yep.
1:21:37 Speaker 05 Like, if you put the hand up for a high five, it's like so earnest and, and it's like kind and it means like an enthusiasm, like a connection is gonna happen.
1:21:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:21:46 Speaker 05 And if they like go to fist bump you, or give you a hug or something, I call that like, um, indier than thou. Or like, nonchalant. It's a very indie thing to do to not high five.
1:21:58 Speaker 01 Amazing.
1:21:58 Speaker 05 And I hate that because I just think that like, when somebody is, is kind of being rejected for being overly eager, or uncool, or whatever, it triggers me at like the deepest part of myself. So if I ever put my hand up to you, let's just go for the high five.
1:22:14 Speaker 01 Come on.
1:22:14 Speaker 05 Even if like high fiving is not like in your thing, you gotta, you gotta high five and we gotta connect.
1:22:19 Speaker 01 Hundred.
1:22:19 Speaker 05 And you know, you know the rule at high fiving, right?
1:22:21 Speaker 02 Elbows?
1:22:22 Speaker 05 To make sure, elbow. You look at the elbow.
1:22:24 Speaker 01 Five seconds?
1:22:25 Speaker 05 And then you got that smack.
1:22:27 Speaker 02 Every time.
1:22:28 Speaker 05 Earnestness, goodness, kindness.
1:22:30 Speaker 01 And that's one minute!
1:22:32 Speaker 02 I could cry.
1:22:32 Speaker 01 That real, cause high fives are so back. We've been high fiving a lot.
1:22:36 Speaker 05 High five!
1:22:37 Speaker 02 High five.
1:22:38 Speaker 05 I have never seen, ever seen, I have never seen-
1:22:42 Speaker 01 That was good.
1:22:42 Speaker 05 A gay person not do a high five.
1:22:44 Speaker 02 Obviously, if you are sensitive to, you know-
1:22:48 Speaker 01 You know who I'm not talking to.
1:22:50 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:22:50 Speaker 01 I'm not talking to the immunocompromised, okay? So don't make it that. I'm gonna get a DM about this.
1:22:58 Speaker 05 We stayed home.
1:22:59 Speaker 01 We stayed home. I was home the whole time. I was watching Survivor gaining 25 pounds.
1:23:05 Speaker 05 You know, one time I was on a boat and this guy I know wouldn't do a high five. I was on a boat one time.
1:23:10 Speaker 01 Your boat?
1:23:11 Speaker 05 My boat in the pandemic. It was like a new boat. I was in the middle of the ocean. I couldn't see land, you guys, and, um, and I saw a kayak go by all alone. And in the kayak was a man with a mask on.
1:23:24 Speaker 02 Bless his heart.
1:23:26 Speaker 01 Dear God.
1:23:29 Speaker 01 I don't know.
1:23:31 Speaker 02 It was Tom Hanks in March.
1:23:35 Speaker 02 That's.
1:23:35 Speaker 01 He was like, I gotta get my paddles in.
1:23:37 Speaker 02 Get my paddles in. That's amazing.
1:23:40 Speaker 05 Yeah, he was just paddling, you know, paddling, being, you can see what I believe, right?
1:23:46 Speaker 01 We're liberal out here at sea.
1:23:48 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:23:49 Speaker 01 Oh, my God.
1:23:49 Speaker 02 Well, damn. Okay, we didn't say this up top. Brandy's going on the human tour.
1:23:55 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:23:56 Speaker 02 In a city near you. The new album's, we didn't talk about the new album. The new album's amazing.
1:24:00 Speaker 05 It was in the subtext the whole time.
1:24:02 Speaker 02 It was.
1:24:02 Speaker 01 And also, congrats on the doc. I mean, I got nominated for a goddamn Academy Award.
1:24:08 Speaker 05 And it's so spectacular.
1:24:09 Speaker 01 It really is.
1:24:11 Speaker 05 I know. I know. It's just like, it, it's, it's a part of me now.
1:24:17 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:24:18 Speaker 05 It'll always be referred to in my poetry and the way that I interact with my, um, within my marriage, you know? And also the way I interact with my, with myself. For anybody that, that doesn't know what you're talking about, that's come see me in the good light.
1:24:31 Speaker 01 It's on Apple.
1:24:32 Speaker 05 Yeah. And, um, this incredible poet, Andrea Gibson.
1:24:36 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:24:36 Speaker 05 Passed away, left us way too early.
1:24:38 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:24:38 Speaker 05 From cancer, but they did this amazing thing where they sort of documented that journey. And it's not like an end of life documentary.
1:24:46 Speaker 01 No.
1:24:47 Speaker 05 You know, Andrea's actually still alive at the end of the doc. Um, Andrea's gone now, but, um, there were so many unintended things, um, messages within that documentary, I think.
1:24:59 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:24:59 Speaker 05 That weren't.
1:25:00 Speaker 01 All the best docs.
1:25:01 Speaker 05 Yeah. There was like complicated religious stuff. There was body image stuff. There was, you know, complicated family dysfunction stuff. There are different, different things surfacing like they would, you know, in an end of life scenario.
1:25:14 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:25:14 Speaker 05 But I think that, um, The most impactful thing for me was that moment, there's this moment where Andrea and their wife Meg, they get that filter going on their phone where it shows you older.
1:25:29 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:25:30 Speaker 05 And Andrea is looking at themselves as an old person and recognizing that they'll never know that person. That'll never happen. And is like laughing and crying at the same time because they're in love with that image. And then Meg, you know, their wife comes on and they're getting to see their wife as an old woman. And it's so beautiful because it just shows you that aging is such a privilege awarded to so few. And it changes my perspective on aging and my own face and, and just kind of like how I'm gonna enter into that chapter of life. So that documentary just, it, it took me out, dude.
1:26:08 Speaker 01 Really beautiful.
1:26:09 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:26:09 Speaker 01 Really, really beautiful. And it's, I, I just that you, that you are attached to that project is so, it's just a no brainer because it's like spiritually, it's so many of the themes, it's connection, it's catharsis, it's love, it's togetherness, it's just so many things. And
1:26:24 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:26:24 Speaker 01 So many things beneath the surface, which is just in all of your albums, it's just, I feel like you and Sara Bareilles, it's like I could listen on non, by the way, where is your musical?
1:26:36 Speaker 05 Oh, well, I was approached about doing one that's kind of like, I don't know if it's on hiatus or what's gonna happen, but it seems like to do the music and be a part of a musical of Fried Green Tomatoes.
1:26:49 Speaker 01 Oh, that is so fab.
1:26:52 Speaker 05 How perfect with that.
1:26:53 Speaker 01 Oh, that would be, no, if that's like, that is, I was thinking, I was like, what's the property? And then you just said it. Oh, that makes me so happy. I hope it happens.
1:27:01 Speaker 05 Yeah. So if it's on hiatus, guys, let's get it going.
1:27:03 Speaker 01 Well, this is the place to.
1:27:04 Speaker 05 If it's been tabled permanently, let's start something.
1:27:06 Speaker 02 No, no, we're manifesting here. This is, things have a way of happening.
1:27:10 Speaker 01 Okay, we're very happy to hear it.
1:27:11 Speaker 05 How great is Sara Bareilles? I mean.
1:27:15 Speaker 01 Did you see her in, um? Into the woods?
1:27:18 Speaker 05 No, I didn't see.
1:27:20 Speaker 01 Just, she's just so perfect for Sondheim because what I was saying at the time, she's such a thoughtful singer. And that his songs are so full of thoughts that like she lands everything so cleanly. She's an instrument, walking instrument like you. And that's why I was just like, you know, both your music, it's just me.
1:27:36 Speaker 02 Then somehow she's like an amazing like sitcom actor.
1:27:40 Speaker 01 I know.
1:27:40 Speaker 02 Like on Girls 50, I'm like, God.
1:27:42 Speaker 05 I'm gonna send you guys this, this um, video of us doing um, She Used to Be Mine.
1:27:47 Speaker 01 Oh, God.
1:27:48 Speaker 05 At um, Girls Just Wanna. It was like honestly, one of the most blissful musical like moments of my life. Like, I don't know what happened. Something happened out there.
1:27:55 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:27:56 Speaker 05 Something happened.
1:27:57 Speaker 01 Well, that's one of those forever songs.
1:27:58 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah. And you know, she said that she was influenced by the story when she wrote it.
1:28:03 Speaker 02 That makes total sense to me.
1:28:04 Speaker 05 I can kind of hear it and the melody now that I think about it a little bit.
1:28:09 Speaker 01 That's, that really reads, God.
1:28:13 Speaker 02 Yeah, I mean, like just that, just that, I don't know. Yeah, I, I, I see it, whatever. It's, it's amazing.
1:28:17 Speaker 01 And the fact that every singer that does it, like, because it's so beautifully written, it, it, it almost feels like every singer that does it is making it their own without even really trying. It's just like they connect to it.
1:28:32 Speaker 05 It's because of the lyric.
1:28:32 Speaker 01 It's, it's the lyric.
1:28:33 Speaker 05 It's like suddenly that lyric becomes your tattoo and it means something to your life. And so you're emphasizing different words and different moments. And it, you make it your own. That's what, that's, no great lyric can be emulated.
1:28:45 Speaker 01 No.
1:28:45 Speaker 05 Not if it is able to really get, get through to a person.
1:28:49 Speaker 01 It's like, it's like Defying Gravity and that it's one of those Broadway songs where you could just watch a YouTube, if you're a gay guy. You watch a YouTube compilation of just everyone doing it and suddenly you're 17 minutes into a YouTube video, watching Jordan Sparks's rendition of She Used to Be Mine. And you're still crying, like the same way you were when Shoshana Bean did it. It's like, these names are such dog whistles as well.
1:29:10 Speaker 05 I know, I know.
1:29:11 Speaker 02 Loud dog whistles.
1:29:12 Speaker 01 It's, it's one of those.
1:29:13 Speaker 05 The greatest YouTube like rabbit hole that I can go down and I can do it for hours. I'll get on a flight now that you can like stream.
1:29:21 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:29:21 Speaker 05 And I will just be like, mm, five hours of Celine Dion.
1:29:24 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:29:25 Speaker 05 And that's it. Five hours of Celine Dion. Good moments, bad moments, just.
1:29:29 Speaker 02 No, there's no such thing as that.
1:29:30 Speaker 05 Interviews, anything, just all Celine Dion all day. Or Whitney. Those two rabbit holes are like, I could live in those rabbit holes.
1:29:38 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:29:38 Speaker 02 Gorgeous, gorgeous rabbit holes. We're going to Paris to see her.
1:29:42 Speaker 01 We definitely are.
1:29:43 Speaker 05 At this residency?
1:29:44 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:29:45 Speaker 01 We're not gonna miss it.
1:29:45 Speaker 05 When? Because I'm not saying I won't join you if you have room for one more lesbian.
1:29:50 Speaker 01 Let's take the whole mafia.
1:29:52 Speaker 02 You're doing your Red Rock show in September and then we're gonna meet you in Paris. Or we'll pick you up or something.
1:29:56 Speaker 01 Oh, you'd be perfect. I've never been to Red Rocks.
1:29:58 Speaker 05 I am so dead serious when I say that this has to happen.
1:30:01 Speaker 01 I would love that.
1:30:02 Speaker 02 Let's, let's do it.
1:30:03 Speaker 01 Would love. Let's plan for it.
1:30:05 Speaker 05 If I could go to Celine with you guys.
1:30:07 Speaker 02 Word. Don't even play.
1:30:09 Speaker 01 It was like the great regret of our life because we were supposed to go see her. And then we were working or something and being like, oh, well, you know, Celine will always perform in Vegas. Dumbest sentence ever. And then the pandemic happened and we lost our opportunity, but we had tickets.
1:30:23 Speaker 02 And as someone who grew up in Montreal, like this is my, this is, this is what my life has led up to. I'm telling you.
1:30:29 Speaker 05 It actually has. Have you met her?
1:30:30 Speaker 02 No. Oh, my God.
1:30:32 Speaker 01 He's the final boss.
1:30:33 Speaker 05 I bet she would come on. I bet she would come on and she would be so outraged.
1:30:37 Speaker 01 We've now said for like probably over a year, right?
1:30:40 Speaker 02 Who's our dream guest?
1:30:41 Speaker 01 Because we've gotten so many bucket lists, like Mariah Carey came.
1:30:44 Speaker 05 I know. I loved that one.
1:30:46 Speaker 01 I mean.
1:30:47 Speaker 05 I could go down to Mariah Carey rabbit hole too.
1:30:49 Speaker 01 Of course.
1:30:50 Speaker 05 I met her once.
1:30:51 Speaker 02 Oh.
1:30:52 Speaker 05 And I know you guys have met her because you had this amazing, amazing pod and I listened to it, um, actually just yesterday, but.
1:30:58 Speaker 01 Ah.
1:30:59 Speaker 05 And I saw the clips on Instagram, but when I met her, it was at, um, the Clive Davis party.
1:31:05 Speaker 02 Uh huh.
1:31:06 Speaker 05 And I was like summoned to her.
1:31:08 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:31:09 Speaker 05 She sent someone to get me.
1:31:10 Speaker 01 Yeah, well, she, she, she knows what's real.
1:31:12 Speaker 02 She's not coming to you. Yeah.
1:31:13 Speaker 05 Oh, my God. I've written, I've written Mariah Carey two letters. I wrote Mimi twice.
1:31:17 Speaker 01 You did?
1:31:17 Speaker 05 Yes.
1:31:18 Speaker 01 When?
1:31:18 Speaker 05 Um, like once when I was a young girl, like 22, 23, and then once again when By the Way, I Forgive You came out.
1:31:24 Speaker 01 Oh, my God.
1:31:25 Speaker 05 People don't understand there's crossover here. I'm massive Mariah Carey.
1:31:28 Speaker 01 Yes. Oh, see, but of course you are.
1:31:29 Speaker 05 So I get like summoned to Mariah Carey and of course I'm, I walk over there in my suit, you know, with like my haircut and she's like sitting in her chair and she didn't stand up. She just goes and looked up at me and I'm like, cool, I'll get down on my knees for Mariah Carey like any day.
1:31:45 Speaker 02 Yep.
1:31:45 Speaker 05 And she goes.
1:31:48 Speaker 05 My bra strap is really like cutting into my shoulder. She's like, can you get it for me? And so I got to like maneuver Mariah Carey's bra strap and like make her more comfortable. And then I got down on my knees to talk to Mariah Carey. And as soon as I did that, and she asked me to move her bra strap, I was like, I knew you were a real Mimi. And she goes, thank you. So she summoned me to fix her bra strap and to thank her for summoning me.
1:32:14 Speaker 01 I love it.
1:32:15 Speaker 05 And then we got the most iconic photo. And I mean, that was our whole interaction.
1:32:19 Speaker 01 She never stops being iconic.
1:32:21 Speaker 02 Iconic.
1:32:22 Speaker 05 And she doesn't even try.
1:32:23 Speaker 02 Nope. And talk about no great lyric can be emulated. She's full of them. Oh my God.
1:32:29 Speaker 01 If this isn't the year, this is what I should have done. I don't think so, honey on preemptively. If they snub her at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame this year, I'm burning it down. I'm burning it down.
1:32:40 Speaker 05 You should induct her. You should be the one to induct her.
1:32:45 Speaker 01 Because I feel the passion. Every year I repost a story, I say, hello, tag the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I said, this is the year. This is the year.
1:32:53 Speaker 05 She even did alternative music.
1:32:54 Speaker 01 Yeah. Oh. On this podcast, we said to her.
1:32:58 Speaker 02 We brought up the grunge album.
1:32:59 Speaker 01 Release the grunge album. And she said, I know, right? I should do that. I don't know if she forgot. And then she was like, what label do I release it on? I'm like, the one of your choosing?
1:33:09 Speaker 05 Let's go full Sub Pop.
1:33:10 Speaker 02 Oh, that would be amazing.
1:33:13 Speaker 01 Come on, that'd be so good.
1:33:15 Speaker 05 Come to Seattle. Do it at the Showbox.
1:33:17 Speaker 01 I even said, should we start a label? She was like, maybe. I was like, don't threaten us with the time of our lives.
1:33:24 Speaker 05 She just doesn't know how much crossover she has into everything.
1:33:27 Speaker 01 Right. Um, this has been a joy and a half.
1:33:31 Speaker 05 For me, it's been a joy and a half for me. I wanted to do this for such a long time. I love you guys so much. I'm such a fan.
1:33:38 Speaker 01 Well, we just, we're, we're, we're just beyond to hear that. And like we, I, I, you guys have met several times, but we met briefly at SNL 50 and I was floating after that interaction because you're just so good. So thanks for coming.
1:33:50 Speaker 05 You guys are so good.
1:33:52 Speaker 01 Well.
1:33:53 Speaker 05 I guess I'll see you when we go see Celine together.
1:33:55 Speaker 01 I guess. And speaking of her. We end every episode with a song. That really set us up for that one.
1:34:00 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:34:01 Speaker 01 Which one do we pick? You were my strength when I was weak. Diane. You were my voice when I couldn't speak. Should've won for this. Were my eyes when I couldn't see. Yes. You saw the best there was in me. Lifting me up when I couldn't speak. You gave me strength 'cause you believed. I'm everything I am. Because you love me. Remember that?
1:34:34 Speaker 05 It's gotta be like, hee hee hee.
1:34:37 Speaker 01 Blended down.
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