"Gushy" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Escape from the bleak world into the gushy escapism of culture lately. 'Cause it's a culture catch-up with Matt + Bowen! "Wuthering Heights", the latest from Emerald Fennell, and Wuthering Heights, the latest from Charli XCX, are discussed! Also, Bad Bunny's Super Bowl statement, Ricky Martin's moment at Olympic Ice Dancing, and the question, have video games gotten harder or easier over time? All this, Netflix's Reality Check: Inside America's Next Top Model documentary, Bravo's Summer House and thoughts on gummies vs. pills. For inquiries into all Olympics thoughts, please refer to Two Guys, Five Rings! Gushy! We said it again. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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  Talk about... Oh.

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  Yeah. What do you call that?

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  I call it a flourish.

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  A flourish?

• 2:03Speaker 01

  I call it a flourish. Is it flourish or flourish?

• 2:06Speaker 02

  I guess it's regional. I would say American flourish.

• 2:13Speaker 01

  American flourish, title of it. American flourish. Oh shit.

• 2:19Speaker 02

  I don't know that that words go together.

• 2:23Speaker 01

  Well, okay, the headline is, we just got back from the Olympics. Thank you to NBC and YouTube for sending us. And yeah, if you want to hear specifically about them, you can listen to Two Guys, Five Rings, which sort of bookend this by coming out on Tuesdays and Thursdays. But we talked a lot about it there, but being American nowadays. Hmm, in a word, hmm.

• 2:47Speaker 02

  In a word, hmm. Does your name show up in the Epstein files?

• 2:52Speaker 01

  It does not. I can confirm my name does not show up in the Epstein files. And if it does, I have to say it's the other Matt Rogers. And I'm pointing all my fingers everywhere else because as you know, I am like millions of Americans. My name is Matt Rogers, but if I'm, if there's one in there, it ain't me. Are you in the E files?

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  I don't think so, but I will also blame the other Matt Rogerses of the world.

• 3:18Speaker 01

  It's them. Are you the only Bowen Yang?

• 3:21Speaker 02

  No, no, there are certainly others. You know, it was very like Broad City, the episode with Alana and Aliyah Shaqat. Like, um, there's once, I was once friends with another Bowen Yang on Facebook. Remember that era of social media where it was like, your only handle on a site like Facebook was your real name? And you could search via other names, like government, Christian, religious names, like what your, like other people.

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  You can find community this way.

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  And so I, I tried that with another Bowen Yang and he seemed to be very weirded out by like my outreach.

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  He was like, I don't want to just on the basis of name connect with you. He's like, that won't be enough for me.

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  And I understand now. He's, he was, he was way ahead. In emotional intelligence.

• 4:09Speaker 01

  I could shout out one other Matt Rogers, who is actually a Grammy winning country songwriter.

• 4:15Speaker 02

  Mm hmm. Not the one with the Christmas album, different Matt Rogers.

• 4:18Speaker 01

  So, okay, so there's one that's a Grammy winning country songwriter. That's separate from the like, sort of, I'm just gonna say raunchy, more conservative comedian.

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  American Idol. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 4:34Speaker 01

  And that's different than the American Idol guy.

• 4:37Speaker 02

  That's a fourth one.

• 4:38Speaker 01

  Yes, which is also different from me.

• 4:42Speaker 02

  This is into the spider verse. This is, this is.

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  Literally.

• 4:45Speaker 02

  I think there is like a multiverse sort of action comedy. I think you could write a Christmas, a multiverse Christmas special with all four plus of you.

• 4:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, this guy, Matt Rogers, is a sports podcaster. And but but his handle is politidope, which made me think he was like a political person, but.

• 5:04Speaker 02

  He's a dope fiend. Oh, yeah.

• 5:06Speaker 01

  Just to um, to go back to the Epstein files of it all for a second, I have been wanting to say something, which is that I feel in a real way. What's kind of getting lost in all of this is the fact that, yes, it's kind of becoming this like political game of like, can we get Trump and all these horrible awful men? But and then people have said before me, obviously, that like, there's real victims here. I feel like I just want to put out there and just reach out to everyone that it's not just the victims in this case. This is like, when things like this come out, it's like incredibly triggering for anyone out there that has any history or experience with

• 5:48Speaker 01

  being abused, whether, whenever that happened in your life. And so I have just like, really been wanting to say to everyone, like, because it feels like an incredibly rough, dark. Awful time, obviously. I know we're all feeling it, but I just wanted to show love to anyone that is feeling like really harmed or triggered by this being casually in the news every day. And I feel like we sort of get so numb to every single moment, feeling we have to be on high alert when we watch the news or, you know, receive any information about what's happening in the world. But I did just want to stop and say, this is not

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  normal. This should not be in our lives every minute of the day. This will they or won't they about whether or not there's going to be accountability in this awful thing, which is, I would, I would go out there and say the biggest scandal maybe ever. And even that feels like diminishing what it, what it is, which is just sheer pain. And so I just wanted to reach out to all of our listeners and say, I'm sorry if this is hurting you and if this is triggering something in you, because I really think it's starting to become very cavalier, actually, the way people just kind of like, but that's what the Epstein

• 7:09Speaker 01

  files around. And it's not okay. And I'm at the point now where I'm just like, we need to burn the whole fucking thing down at this point, because we need to start creating and living in a better world than the one we're living in, where, where we're still protecting these people.

• 7:27Speaker 02

  That's what's coming out, though, is the casualness. Like, it is the way that, like, these people, like, were joking about openly calling themselves pedophiles.

• 7:39Speaker 01

  Monsters.

• 7:40Speaker 02

  Well, but it's like, they're not even like hiding behind. It's like,

• 7:43Speaker 01

  No.

• 7:43Speaker 02

  There's, there's not even like an irony behind it. It's like, they're like, yeah, this is what we do. Anyway, what a great note to start this podcast.

• 7:52Speaker 01

  No, but I mean, like,

• 7:53Speaker 02

  No, no, no, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just popping the bubble. I don't, I'm not like deflecting anything about what you're saying.

• 7:59Speaker 01

  We were talking about this. It's been a time when the dark stuff is so beyond anything I think we've, we've taken in direct succession again and again and again and again. It's not just like, oh, that thing happened. That's sad. It's, oh, that thing happened. That's like devastating and would never have been in our purview in other eras, like where we were out here consuming. You know, news and media and it's like bizarre to comment on pop culture sometimes. Like, I don't know if you feel like this lately, but like.

• 8:36Speaker 02

  I haven't consumed it.

• 8:38Speaker 01

  I guess what I'm saying is like, well, I don't know. Algorithmically, like, maybe I've just pushed the wrong buttons because now it's just all this like conspiracy stuff about like the Epstein of it all. And I'm just like, I have to put my phone away and back to back off and like, give myself a hug because it's all so fucking crazy. But I think that in a time when we're like commenting on pop culture and stuff and it feels like so blended in with our political reality and the dark reality. I just feel like we have to say out loud, like, this is like, it's been unbelievably bleak. And I just want to show love to our listeners and the readers and everybody, everyone under the umbrella. Because I know I've been feeling like shit, like shit.

• 9:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, I have sort of done the thing that I do, which is I sort of ensconce myself in like, which is, I think what everybody is doing. It's like, oh, let me just fully burrow in like comfort and like, I've been very like, everyone's like, let's, hey, like, we're going out to this planet. I'm like, no, thanks.

• 9:47Speaker 02

  It's everyone's being Christian wig at me being like, hey, come over here. And I'm like, no.

• 9:50Speaker 01

  No. Well, you did go to that Lunar New Year, New Year party.

• 9:54Speaker 02

  That was fun.

• 9:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:55Speaker 02

  That was very fun. That was, which I didn't know until after the fact that it was Hudson Williams's birthday party.

• 10:02Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 10:03Speaker 02

  This is where I go, I've fully aged out of things. It was like.

• 10:07Speaker 01

  Did it seem like a young vibe?

• 10:09Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, no. It wasn't even that. It was just, it's not that I've aged out. It's just that I am fully in my introvert agoraphobia bag. Like, oh, I was like, oh, right. It's Fashion Week and it's Lunar New Year. And it's like, just all these things are happening. I felt like I was just in. The thick of things and like the, the main event of the thing, which was the Olympics. Okay. So like, this is just taking stock of like what this year has been for us. We did Oscars, we did, I guess you could say we did Coachella, which also felt like another like energetic,

• 10:51Speaker 02

  like nexus energetically, like a thing that like people like talk about, go to like just a meeting place, a thing, I don't know. And then like stuff over the summer, right? Like US Open, like we've gone to like, go to these great, I would say like fun things and then like Olympics and then like SNL 50 and then like, just like, just like we've like, it's just been a very over stimulating year.

• 11:15Speaker 01

  We've been relentlessly plugged in, that's for sure.

• 11:18Speaker 02

  And like something about going to, going from like Olympics right into like, another concentrated burst of activity just made me go like, okay. This is like more than anyone is like meant to handle. And I actually, and my heart goes out to people who like work on this schedule of like having to be at these like high concentration, like biomassy events where like people gather and people like, because I'm like, this is, this is a lot. And you just see like the billboard of the world everywhere. It's like you see every fucking brand and thing.

• 12:00Speaker 02

  And then it makes you, it makes us kind of go like, wait, I guess like everyone's job now is just to like, say how much they love like this, this brand or that brand, including us. Like I did a frigging Superbowl ad for goodness sakes. Like it's just, I'm dealing with like, like I thought I had done like the postmortem of like the big like flashpoint of my life in January. And now I'm like, oh, it's still ongoing. There are still things that we, that like, I'm about to go to Antarctica tomorrow. Like there's, there's just like, I, I am done being stimulated, to be honest.

• 12:36Speaker 01

  I think you need to make an active choice to just, I, I've said this to you, you need to learn how to be bored.

• 12:46Speaker 02

  I love being bored. Oh my God. So what I've been doing, this is all to say, I have been, like a million things came out this weekend that I like wanted to see or like wanted to engage with. And I just haven't, like, I still haven't pressed play on the Wuthering Heights album.

• 12:59Speaker 01

  Oh my God, you haven't? I also saw the movie. I am like, I'm bursting to talk about it.

• 13:03Speaker 02

  So you're, as usual, like, and I'm grateful for you, like, you are like going out into the field. In the words of Wendy Williams, like, you are in the field frightened of Corvo- Cronova.

• 13:14Speaker 01

  Cronova.

• 13:14Speaker 02

  Like, you, who?

• 13:16Speaker 01

  I just did that. I mean, like, there's so many things to talk about. I guess, I think that what I'm delineating from what you're saying, which I think actually is a pretty universal thing right now, it's hard to show up.

• 13:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:30Speaker 01

  Showing up is fucking hard right now. Like, showing up is weird, showing up takes a lot of energy. I think everyone in their life right now, it's also a weird fucking time of year. People are not doing well. Things are not great. And so, everyone's dealing with their own saturation at a certain level. And that's, I guess, why I just wanted to get on here and just like, try and show love to people. And, and because it's been really hard, like, it's, it's been a really weird, dark start to the year. Because it's one system. Our one soul, like, our one cultural soul right now is not happy. And, maybe that sounds woo woo or like bizarre, but

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  the present condition is like extremely, extremely depleting. That's it.

• 14:23Speaker 01

  And I think that means that we can't, or it's very hard for us to show each other empathy.

• 14:28Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 14:29Speaker 01

  And I think that it's just important that we do that for each other and that we do that for all of you. And, so with all that being said, I did see Wuthering Heights, which was devastating.

• 14:44Speaker 02

  Oh, in what way?

• 14:47Speaker 01

  So sad.

• 14:49Speaker 02

  Uh-huh.

• 14:50Speaker 01

  But, felt right for the moment, because it felt a little cathartic for the moment, like this bleak fucking portrait of tragic, like, romance.

• 15:00Speaker 01

  I think I loved it.

• 15:02Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 15:02Speaker 01

  And you know, Emerald Fennell is a controversial figure on this podcast because it actually was Saltburn and our reviews of Saltburn, which caused Tina Fey to come in here and do her authenticity is dangerous and expensive. I don't think so, honey. Because we've had, I think because when you go see a movie of hers, there is a lot to talk about.

• 15:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:26Speaker 01

  Like you, you therefore leave with a lot of strong reactions. And I've realized that that is good and maybe makes her one of my favorites.

• 15:34Speaker 02

  Love that.

• 15:35Speaker 01

  Because I'm leaving now with a ton to say and feel and more. And I think at least that in the picture of everything that's going on right now has been kind of a good thing because I did go to the theater and for two hours and 16 minutes, I didn't think about anything else than what was truly happening on screen. You know what I mean? Like it, it gave escape. And I think that artistically, creatively, culturally, that is what we need because of what we're talking about right now. It being incredibly hard to even show up in the bleak ass fucking reality. I need more of this gushy type of movie.

• 16:19Speaker 01

  Like fantastical reality stuff. I, and, and you know, I've even been thinking more and more about getting into video games.

• 16:27Speaker 02

  What has, what has, what's, what's piqued your interest?

• 16:31Speaker 01

  I think just exactly what I'm saying, just like, what's a way I can occupy myself in another reality and another dimension that has nothing to do with, really with social media and with reality.

• 16:43Speaker 02

  Yeah. So to me, like, it's no, like, there's, there's something intellectually, logically great about anytime someone's like, oh, that person is really into video games and they like, and with that connotation, it's like they are a shut in or they don't socialize much or whatever. Right? All my life I've like, kind of reckoned with that and. I like, I'm a little bit confused and I push back on that notion a bit where I'm like, I'm a social person and I love video games.

• 17:22Speaker 01

  You're a very social person.

• 17:23Speaker 02

  And I've balanced, I've balanced those two loves like all my life. And then as we're like, as you and I are talking about stuff where we're like, oh, like, we're working on things that are about like people trying to get in somewhere and get into places or like, who are very aware of the way that things are stratified in this world. Just even you talking about like going to a movie and escaping for two and a half hours. I know this is like well trod stuff where it's like, this cinema isn't a scam. But either, there, there's like a really interesting binary now of like, people are either staying home and isolating and like, that's like loneliness epidemic, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

• 18:03Speaker 02

  Or it's like people are ravenous about going to the, the right party, the right fashion show, the right movie, the right concert, whatever.

• 18:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:15Speaker 02

  Like, it's either about like, complete curation of your own like, internal space, or it's about like aggressively needing access to something that's outside of that.

• 18:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's a higher anxiety around all of it. I think as a result of the world being the way it is and also post pandemic, like us coming out of the first couple of years of that, which were like a frenzy. And now we're settled into just like, okay, this is now fully post COVID. Movie theaters are really struggling, like it's hard to get people out, you know? And then I go see this one. I can't believe you haven't even listened to the Charli album.

• 18:56Speaker 02

  I've listened to the singles that have been put out. I've not listened to the full, like the full album, yeah.

• 19:01Speaker 01

  I laugh as these words even come out of my mouth, you guys, because I, I get what it sounds like. So I'm not going to say it's my favorite Charli XCX album. I am going to say I am blown away by her a fucking again. And I don't understand how she did this, doing everything else she was doing. The just impenetrable brat machine that's been going for two years. She somehow found time to not only do this companion album to Wuthering Heights, but to completely crush it and push herself forward.

• 19:37Speaker 01

  In a way that she clearly like finds acceleration in being busy because the strings in Charli XCX, we had heard that this was gonna be what she was gonna explore musically, that there was gonna be orchestral, you know, elements. The push and pull of the strings on some of these songs to create tension, to ride the waves of what these characters are going through in the movie. I had already loved it before I saw the movie and then I saw the movie and I enjoyed it even more. She has real talent in terms of what she can do cinematically with her music.

• 20:19Speaker 01

  She's got a huge future probably, and she didn't score this movie, but she did the music for it. But I would wager to guess-

• 20:27Speaker 02

  But she scored other things, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 20:28Speaker 01

  That she is going to have a huge future. She already has a presence in, obviously, in film. Yeah, well, in culture, obviously, but in film culture.

• 20:39Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 20:40Speaker 01

  What she's capable of is so good in terms of atmosphere, cinematic atmosphere. She clearly got this rendition of Wuthering Heights because it isn't Wuthering Heights. It's like a bizarre sort of slant version. It's a slant version of Wuthering Heights. But my god, and it's like her lyrics are more poetic than they've been, yet it's pure pop.

• 21:07Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 21:08Speaker 01

  But it feels like it's for the movie theater. It's, she's on one.

• 21:12Speaker 02

  Of course. She, I think she was saying in interviews for this project that during the chaos of Brat era that she was, like, you know, Emerald text her and is like, will you do a song? And she's like, I'll do one better, I'll write, write a whole album. And then she escapes into like the Bronte sisters, or I think, I think she like at least read Wuthering Heights. And that was like the escape that she needed.

• 21:43Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 21:43Speaker 02

  From this, like, I think, like, again, we're not saying anything new about escapism as a, as if, as it like, functions or as we like, need it, like, on a sort of like psychological level, but like, I think that is thematically, like, obviously, like, running throughout all of these things in the current moment as like, you and I are talking about all of these things kind of wearing us down, like, the world being like,

• 22:10Speaker 02

  things, things politically being completely helpless and powerless, like,

• 22:14Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 22:15Speaker 02

  Anytime like, we try to think of things in terms of politics, in terms of, at the end of the day, it should just be about making sure people are better off, that materially, like, even our Laura Dern episode, that like made me come away from things being like, wow, even she has an awareness of the fact that people do not have the things they need to survive in this world. Like, that is what is true, that is universal, basically, except for like, a very small group of like, let's say, epstein-y people.

• 22:46Speaker 02

  But like, otherwise, like, everyone needs this, everyone is tapping into like, escape, that's all.

• 22:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:53Speaker 02

  I don't know, I'm, I'm, I'm saying things that are like so.

• 22:55Speaker 01

  No, I mean.

• 22:56Speaker 02

  Generally true.

• 22:57Speaker 01

  The opportunity to get this as an artist for her was clearly leapt at, you know what I mean? Like, she, she, I, I, I feel like I don't like talking about them in the same sentence because so much has been made about it already, but it felt like what folklore felt like for me when I listened to it in terms of Taylor, whereas this is like, an experience outside of herself, AKA these novel, the, the novel and this film. And it, but it's still all the things that Charlie does best, like, it's incredibly emotional pop.

• 23:39Speaker 01

  On this landscape, it's just the landscape is different from what we had come to find from her. Did you ever read this book?

• 23:48Speaker 02

  No, never.

• 23:49Speaker 01

  Okay, I had never read it in high school either, but people talk about it like it's one of the ones.

• 23:54Speaker 02

  People ride hard for Brontes.

• 23:57Speaker 01

  It's so dark and fucked and Charlie was the perfect person to ask to do it. Because there is this like pouty fatalism the entire time, especially watching it and knowing it's gonna end incredibly badly. I just, John August said on Instagram, he posted like a picture of the poster. And this is when I had just left the film and I was like, huh. And I'm sitting with it, thinking about it. And then John August said Emerald Fennell makes the movies she wants to see. I fucking love it. And I was like, you know what? In that regard, I'm actually thinking about all three of her films differently because you can even watch the three of them.

• 24:40Speaker 01

  I haven't done this yet, I think I will, but you could even think of them as operating in the same timeline. Like in the same universe, like she has a color palette I really like watching. Again, her departments are on 10, Charlie now being one of them. She clearly has people that want to give everything to what she does. I think if I have an issue with this movie, it's just the fact that because it is not actually Wuthering Heights. Like therefore the story's not, doesn't feel like it's completely on the screen. Like it's just maybe not enough happens in act three for me to be like really taken over the top with it.

• 25:21Speaker 01

  But what I love about this movie far outweighs what I don't like about it. Like I just love fucking choices. I think what I needed right now is what we're talking about, which is like this big Victorian cartoon with huge emotions and like sex and like blood. And I just really heavy handed sound design. And like, I just loved again how gushy it was. It felt like, it felt like an entree sized dessert.

• 25:56Speaker 02

  Whoa, dessert for dinner.

• 25:59Speaker 01

  Felt like ice cream for dinner, felt like too much pie for dinner. And I, and I love that.

• 26:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:06Speaker 01

  It was indulgent in all the best ways, like someone said, um, that it's their favorite movie out of the three she's done because it feels like it, it, it at least has to be about something. Whereas, you know, like Promising Young Woman is obviously about S A and about the patriarchy and the poison that that is. And then this is kind of just like, yeah, here's a tragic fucking romance blown all the way out. You can tell it's probably, you know, her favorite novel, so much so that she didn't try to remake it. She just said, I'm gonna make.

• 26:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:39Speaker 01

  Something in this image because I fucking love it.

• 26:42Speaker 02

  Well, because romance you can do, forgive the term, like at scale. You can like, you can blow out romance all the fucking way.

• 26:52Speaker 01

  Yes, and we appreciate it.

• 26:54Speaker 02

  And we appreciate it and it works. It can be, you know, romance can either be super small and intimate, or it can be, it can horseshoe around and be in like the grandest fucking overture thing. Ever, and it works on whatever scale. Like, I think if you're gonna do like a class parable, or like something about wealth, about wealth, and if you're gonna do something about sexual assault, like that is, those are, those are big swings that I think people really want to see like the landing stick.

• 27:26Speaker 01

  And they have intense reactions to those, like, I mean, both, both those movies garnered intense reactions. And it's because what she does is incredibly bold. So she brought that boldness to so much of this movie, but it didn't feel, like even the moments that felt like sensational and that we've come to expect from her, they felt balanced now because, because they, across the board, we were just living in a heightened reality that, and not to say that it wasn't about anything, because obviously it's about so many things. It's obviously about trauma, it's about.

• 28:05Speaker 02

  It's about trauma, Jamie Lee Curtis, yeah.

• 28:08Speaker 01

  But it was funny because like you're just like isn't everything but in a real way. But I guess what I'm saying is this, I was excited to see her adopt an existing work because I was like, now she can just focus on putting all of her onto it. And I really liked seeing all of her onto it. And Jacob Elordi, I think his Oscar chances increased. I don't know if he'll win, but he's fucking great in this.

• 28:39Speaker 02

  He's amazing.

• 28:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:41Speaker 02

  Oh, well, I can't speak to this movie, but I generally find him to be unbelievably talented and great at every, like what he's done, like almost pound for pound, like roll for roll. I'm always like, well, yeah.

• 28:54Speaker 01

  I think I didn't really know because to be honest with you, I'm kind of, I'm kind of a neophyte when it comes to being exposed to his gifts. Cause I'm not a Euphoria girly and I'm not a Euphoria girl. It kind of makes me dizzy.

• 29:05Speaker 02

  Of course, I understand I it took me, I think I watched the first episode of Euphoria and then waited like a full two years later to watch the rest of the show. And he from the beginning is like, well, who's that guy?

• 29:17Speaker 01

  Right, right, right. Exactly.

• 29:19Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 29:19Speaker 01

  I feel like watching Euphoria in the very beginning, when like it, it reminded me of being in like, in like seventh grade, when, when like you were in health class and you were seeing like, like the day in health class when, I'll never forget this one day, maybe everyone had a version of this, but there was a day in like seventh or eighth grade, it was in health class where they were talking about STIs. And they were showing pictures of stuff that could, maybe this was like a scared straight tactic, but there was pictures on the board of like, what happens to your body when you get this STI or that one or that one? And it just.

• 29:55Speaker 02

  I modeled all of those pics.

• 29:58Speaker 01

  It spun me out so much that I remember one day all the blood left my face and I had to lay down on the table. And then I was sent to the nurse's office for two hours because I couldn't like, I just, I don't know what happened to me. But I get that feeling when I watch Euphoria, like I'm just like, oh my God, this is so overwhelming. Like I don't know what it is. It takes over the systems of my body and shuts them down.

• 30:21Speaker 02

  Body horror, it's body horror.

• 30:22Speaker 01

  Exactly, but yet it's not, but it kind of is, you know what I mean? Cause it's teens in these kinds of situations and it's so stylized and like I said, casual, I'm just like, oh, like.

• 30:32Speaker 02

  Right. What do you think of this sentence? Sarah Sherman like broke this open for me. We are all of us, human bodies, that all have, are governed by the same processes that are, at the end of the day, disgusting.

• 30:45Speaker 01

  A hundred percent, and I think that the media that we're talking about makes that extremely clear.

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• 36:08Speaker 02

  I have appreciated Sarah's work specifically because I'm like, oh, this is like, there is like a political commentary that she is making about like, shit coming out of her, like, like hamburger helper shit coming out of a butthole or like, you know, like her nipples hanging all the way to the floor. I'm like, oh.

• 36:25Speaker 01

  We're all just gristle.

• 36:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I'm like, but she's doing it and in this artistic way, this, I, I might just, should I just start a Sarah Sherman stan podcast? Like, I have, I have enough, I could talk about this girl forever.

• 36:42Speaker 01

  If you did a Sarah Sherman podcast, it would get listened to. Like, it would, it would be in the top 200. Bowen Yang Sarah Sherman podcast, 100%.

• 36:53Speaker 02

  I'm, I'm gonna do it.

• 36:55Speaker 01

  But she's right and she should say it and she should keep saying it.

• 36:58Speaker 02

  And she should keep saying it.

• 36:58Speaker 01

  It's, it's like that in, in Saltburn, I mean, it's like that in Wuthering Heights too. It's like, there's so much like,

• 37:05Speaker 02

  Blood and gore.

• 37:07Speaker 01

  Well, not even blood and gore. At the end, like, you get like stylized stuff. I don't think I'm spoiling anything here to say that the film ends in. Significant death. And it is, you know, tragic and stylized and not to call it, not to call it death romantic, but it is romantic. You know what I mean? Like it's in that, in, in the definitive way. It's just grand and it's a statement. And I've said this about her other films too, like she has a fascination with the corpse.

• 37:42Speaker 02

  Uh huh. Yeah, yeah.

• 37:43Speaker 01

  Like in the first film, I'm not spoiling, well, this is a spoiler alert for Promising Young Woman, but at the end, when Carrie is murdered.

• 37:51Speaker 02

  There's, there's a moment. Yeah.

• 37:52Speaker 01

  There's like a lot about her corpse and the way it moves and sounds and the way they have to break it down. And then that happens again in Saltburn when spoiler alert, Jacob Elordi is found in the, in the maze and you hear the flies around his body and you see, I believe it's Richard E. Grant goes up to the body and tries to move it and like the sounds it's making are very stiff. It's just, it's all very, I mean, the first scene of, of the, of Wuthering Heights, I'll say a spoiler alert for 15 seconds, is a man is being hung in the town square and the entire crowd is like ecstatically and euphorically looking at his erection while he takes his last breaths.

• 38:37Speaker 01

  And you're like, okay, we are at Emerald Fennell's Wuthering Heights. And then it just continues, but it is this fascination with corpse that act, and like, like corporal function or lack thereof, that kind of does connect Sarah Sherman to Emerald Fennell. And I bet you didn't think that would happen there at the end of that thought.

• 38:58Speaker 02

  Hmm. No, I, I love it. Any, any, anything that relates back to Sarah Sherman, that makes me happy.

• 39:04Speaker 01

  But it's, but it is there. Like it is, it like, there is, I don't know. I would be interested in the perspective on that. Like if we ever do have Sarah Sherman on this podcast and ask her a real question, or Emerald Fennell, just like I would ask, like, where are you coming from when you tackle the human body this way? Like I, I do think it's fascinating.

• 39:27Speaker 02

  Well, the thing that I would genuinely love to ask Sarah is she draws the line at what she will not

• 39:37Speaker 01

  Was it boogers?

• 39:38Speaker 02

  It's boogers.

• 39:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 39:40Speaker 02

  Cause and then I'm like, Sarah, why? Why don't you like to do booger stuff? Or why don't you like booger stuff? And all she's ever been able to say to me is, I mean, what are we? We're grown, we're grownups. Like, are we seven?

• 39:54Speaker 01

  So much of her humor is like, and then their head comes off. And yet boogers are like, what are we, children?

• 40:00Speaker 02

  She's, she's like, huh?

• 40:02Speaker 01

  I mean, that episode with her, it's rare we get blackout. But we didn't even drink that much, can I say?

• 40:10Speaker 02

  We had one martini each.

• 40:12Speaker 01

  But we felt drunk. Well, it's kind of like that thing, again, warped reality, escapism. It's like, we wanted to be drunk and so we were.

• 40:20Speaker 02

  And so we were, totally. Wait a minute, back to you potentially. I feel like we've always been at the precipice of this, of you wanting to try video games and it never totally works.

• 40:31Speaker 01

  Well, because I can't figure out how to plug it in, really. Or get the games on the, on the thing. Once I figure out how to load games onto the way it's over for you hoes.

• 40:40Speaker 02

  You can easily, I think there's plenty of resources out there. I think you have people in your, in sort of your, your network and your orbit who can help you with that.

• 40:51Speaker 01

  In the words of Charlie XCX, I want to be taken out of myself. Which is one of the new songs on the, on the album.

• 40:58Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 40:59Speaker 01

  Take me out of myself, someone, and show me it's possible. To become a little gamer, because I, I, I really was one. Like, when we were at the Super Nintendo Museum, I was like, I was this girl. I was, that little girl was me.

• 41:15Speaker 02

  Was me. Can you talk about, I'm gonna give you like a little Helix Sleep quiz.

• 41:21Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 41:23Speaker 02

  Do you want narrative? Or does the story not really matter?

• 41:29Speaker 01

  I think this is an annoying answer because I would get nowhere with Helix by saying something like this.

• 41:35Speaker 02

  It doesn't matter.

• 41:36Speaker 01

  It would depend on the type of narrative. Like if it's a compelling narrative, 100%, but you have, but also my entire history is in like achievement based, Super Smash Brothers type, Mario Kart type stuff. I one time played the Super Mario RPG on the, uh, the Super Nintendo, which I thought was a great game.

• 41:56Speaker 02

  RPG, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 41:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I thought that was amazing.

• 41:59Speaker 02

  Uh huh. They re-released it. They remade it for Switch.

• 42:02Speaker 01

  Did they? With the same narrative?

• 42:04Speaker 02

  Same narrative. They just updated the graphics.

• 42:06Speaker 01

  Wow, cool.

• 42:07Speaker 02

  So when we played Split Fiction a few weeks ago.

• 42:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 42:10Speaker 02

  What did you think?

• 42:11Speaker 01

  I loved it because you know what I loved about it? The fact that I felt like it was clear what I was supposed to do and how I was supposed to do it. Is that an example of a game for babies?

• 42:25Speaker 02

  No, I don't think you need to worry about for babies. Because there's, there's like a, there's like a running joke now among the gaming community that like games now. So this might surprise you, games from when you were a video gamer as a child and in your younger years were harder than they are now.

• 42:46Speaker 01

  Really?

• 42:47Speaker 02

  Yes. And I know that might be hard to believe. There's obviously games that are, there is like a, a genre of games that are purely about difficulty and about like, you're supposed to die and fail. Like Rogue Likes, Elden Ring, Dark Souls from software games. So Patty, friend of the pod, Patty Harrison loves those games.

• 43:09Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 43:09Speaker 02

  Uh, that's where she and I differ. Like I do like a bit of handholding and I think you might as well. I think the perfect balance for you is, and I tried to get you on this, is Zelda Breath of the Wild.

• 43:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. So there's something, okay. And I'm just gonna say this and I'm gonna, it's, it's just my truth.

• 43:28Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 43:30Speaker 01

  There's something about Zelda to me, which is a shame, which is that there's no humor in it.

• 43:38Speaker 02

  I see what you're saying.

• 43:40Speaker 01

  I think I need things to be a little sillier and dumber or more.

• 43:46Speaker 02

  Final Fantasy is a great option. There's like a lot of weird shit. I think Dragon Quest is actually really a good option, which is what I've been playing the last seventy-two hours exclusively. Um, Dragon Quest VII Remounted. You, I think, and, and I think this will, this will motivate you. I think Jared, our friend Jared, loves the Spider-Man games.

• 44:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, he does love the Spider-Man.

• 44:07Speaker 02

  And those are wonderful experiences.

• 44:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:11Speaker 02

  I think you would really love those. Great storytelling, great voice acting, great gameplay. You really do feel like Peter Parker or Miles Morales as you swing around.

• 44:21Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 44:21Speaker 02

  It's a, it's a wonderful time.

• 44:24Speaker 01

  Considering.

• 44:25Speaker 02

  And there's a great Asian villain.

• 44:27Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 44:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:28Speaker 01

  I'm looking for something else to fill my time with as I head-on tackle the, which I think we all must do, the social media addiction and social media reliance. Like, just having the phone not be a thing got, like, the reality that that need really needs to be more of my life, like, got me on this. And so I'm just, like I said.

• 44:51Speaker 02

  Great cure. It's a great cure.

• 44:53Speaker 01

  Take me away.

• 44:56Speaker 02

  Take me out of myself. What is it? What's the Charlie lyric?

• 44:57Speaker 01

  Take me out of myself.

• 45:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:01Speaker 01

  It's, it's so good. I'm excited for you to listen to it. It's, and every song is good. There's a song called Seeing Things, which is amazing. Always everywhere. It's so good. There's, there's a wall of sound. This song, Wall of Sound, in the movie, it's like I said, the push and pull of the strings. And Margot Robbie and Jacob Elordi, like, I, I, there's something about it where, in the beginning, I was like, is this, do I like them together in this? And then by the end, I was like, yes, I like them together in this. I think it was, it's just part of the stylization again. Like, I did not expect myself to go in and be like, fuck yeah, but I'm leaving, kind of being like, fuck yeah.

• 45:39Speaker 02

  Okay, great. I love this.

• 45:41Speaker 01

  Did you watch Bad Bunny?

• 45:43Speaker 02

  I did. Of course. Of course, I watched Bad Bunny.

• 45:49Speaker 01

  Featuring Estefania?

• 45:50Speaker 02

  Estefania and Enrique Martin.

• 45:56Speaker 02

  Is that his, is that his full first, is that his like?

• 46:00Speaker 01

  I have no idea. He'll just be, always be Ricky Martin to me. He's having a huge month when you count the Super Bowl and the fact that almost all of the ice dancing routines were to some medley or version of Ricky Martin's greatest from the 90s.

• 46:17Speaker 02

  So in the round of ice dance that we saw, it was, it was a 90s night. Um, and so it was a lot of Ricky Martin, a lot of Waiting for Tonight, not just J-Lo, not like the broad J-Lo catalog, but it was like Waiting for Tonight. Some of them mashed it up with If You Had My Love. But it was really staggering and you went, okay, okay, here's another version of this. And then, um, I mean, I loved UK doing the Spice Girls medley.

• 46:45Speaker 01

  There were so, there were so many great choices. Again, probably the best choice of song they would ultimately win was the French pair doing Vogue. Cause it gave you something to latch on to.

• 46:59Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 46:59Speaker 01

  But I will say every time you heard,

• 47:05Speaker 01

  you were never upset.

• 47:07Speaker 02

  No.

• 47:07Speaker 01

  And we were living la vida loca.

• 47:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:10Speaker 01

  And I'm happy that Bunny brought on.

• 47:13Speaker 02

  Oh my God, of course.

• 47:15Speaker 01

  You have to.

• 47:16Speaker 02

  I'm still playing Where's Waldo on that shot of all the people at the, at the house. Still people partying, um.

• 47:26Speaker 02

  I just, I just thought it, it was like what the billboard was saying. It was like this gorgeous.

• 47:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:31Speaker 02

  Explosion of love. I was like, ah.

• 47:34Speaker 01

  That was Benito giving everyone a hug. That was. That's like, that's I guess what it is. It's like showing up now in a, in a way that's that visible means like, okay, here's your opportunity to send a message to the world. And the fact that he, as a person with a worldwide platform, said, my message is joy. My message is love. My message is togetherness. My message is positive. My message is hope. Like my message is not.

• 48:01Speaker 01

  Wow, this Olympian that's speaking out like in a way that is a loser, like whatever, not to even bring any of it in because it also fucking jokes, but Bad Bunny shows up with a worldwide platform and his message is, hey, here's the most fun, most expressive, most passionate music of the year, fresh off my album of the year win, here's everybody, here's a literal party on stage, here it is, and received for sure.

• 48:32Speaker 02

  It's like the tight shot of him walking through sugarcane. It's like, it's intimate. It's like, it's like you're following someone through like this like organic, natural thing. It's, I don't know. I mean, like, we're already like two weeks after the fact because we've been bouncing around, uh, doing our various jobs, but like, I think it's, I think it's truly one of the best.

• 48:59Speaker 01

  It was so great.

• 49:00Speaker 02

  One of the most indelible, one of the best.

• 49:01Speaker 01

  It was up there for me with, obviously Beyonce. Obviously Gaga and the Shakira and J Lo one. I always put respect on its name and I do re-watch the Katy Perry one a lot. I actually love that Katy Perry halftime show.

• 49:17Speaker 02

  Someone, I think, I think there was a clip of it that went around of like, when she said, I know a place, sing it. And then the whole stadium did sing where the grass is really greener. You gotta hand it to her.

• 49:30Speaker 01

  You have to hand it to her. Like a whole stadium doesn't lie. It's actually Rulaculture number 20. A whole stadium doesn't lie.

• 49:37Speaker 02

  Stadium doesn't lie, but you do go like Katy Perry and the current day is tough. This is purely, purely us retrospectively being like that. What a, what a lovely moment in Super Bowl halftime show history.

• 49:53Speaker 02

  And that's, and that's really it.

• 49:54Speaker 01

  I mean, look, I, I am moving forward with arms wide open for everyone that isn't an evil fucking hag. Like, that's, that's, that's the energy I'm moving forward with, and I think that's what Bad Bunny would want us to do. I just, I feel like all the little quibbles and quabbles, like, not to say that people shouldn't be, like, held to account for, like, things that they've done, but like, I am mad at Katy Perry. Like, the world is too, the world is too much to hold, to hold bad feelings in your heart against Katy Perry, I think. I think. Don't you think?

• 50:30Speaker 02

  I just think about the nun.

• 50:34Speaker 01

  Fair.

• 50:34Speaker 02

  Think about the nun.

• 50:36Speaker 01

  Fair, but I'm saying the nun, if, if the nun was really walking in Christ, wouldn't the nun say forgive?

• 50:43Speaker 02

  Her dying breath.

• 50:48Speaker 02

  Katy Perry, please stop.

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  I'd say M&M's are one of those truly iconic snacks.

• 54:28Speaker 02

  They've just launched a brand new freeze dried innovation that brings a whole new vibe to the M&M lineup.

• 54:34Speaker 01

  I mean, come on. What's not to love about M&M's?

• 54:38Speaker 02

  And if it's freeze dried, I feel like I'm in space. M&M's continues to be that girl. The crunch is unexpected in the best way.

• 54:47Speaker 01

  Way crisper than you'd think. Like you bite into one and there's the little pop that you don't see coming from something that still tastes like classic M&M's caramel.

• 54:56Speaker 02

  Sure, they don't look exactly like the M&M's you know, but they are the M&M's you love. They're perfect for snacking when watching television, scrolling on your phone, or settling in for a movie.

• 55:05Speaker 01

  And I'm already thinking that'll be great to have on hand while watching the Culture Awards.

• 55:10Speaker 02

  Yes. The best part is they've got that classic M&M's caramel flavor. It's available in stores now.

• 55:21Speaker 01

  Speaking of forgiveness, what do you think is gonna, how do you think this Tyra Top Model documentary is gonna pan out?

• 55:27Speaker 02

  The fact that we're talking about it this much, as in like you and I and like our friends, next week we have on-

• 55:33Speaker 01

  It's the highest anticipated event of the year for me. I cannot wait to see this shit.

• 55:37Speaker 02

  It legitimately feels that way. I feel like Netflix has not put this much pre-promotion into something like this in a long time.

• 55:45Speaker 01

  Well, they, they, they don't traditionally, I agree with you. It does feel like there's been lead up to this where you don't traditionally get that with Netflix. They kind of are like, hey, something's coming out in two weeks.

• 55:58Speaker 02

  Flop, yeah.

• 55:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, it'll, it'll, because of the way they move through their content. But this does feel like it's being eventized. And then for her to come out and be like, America's Next Top Model, season 25, and she said, my work is not done.

• 56:14Speaker 01

  I said, I couldn't be more interested. Couldn't be.

• 56:22Speaker 02

  Was this what we were saying last time, though? Cycle 20, the cycle that we were watching on VH1?

• 56:31Speaker 01

  I mean, we, we, we watched the last one that was on at all. And by the way, I never told you this, but there was one contestant, I won't say who. But I remember watching it because we actually, we recapped it for Vulture. But I was watching it and there was one girl who all of a sudden was just kind of gone. Like she was like, she was, she was like, maybe made it to, I don't know, top six or something. And then she just left and it seemed like everything wasn't all the way well with her.

• 56:59Speaker 02

  And cycle 24 and the end of that we covered?

• 57:01Speaker 01

  Yes. And last year.

• 57:04Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 57:05Speaker 01

  I walk into a coffee shop around where I used to live in Queens. And there's this girl talking to the barista. And I'm like, where do I recognize this girl from? And it was her. And so I had sort of a friendly relationship with the barista. And so I'm looking at her and then I look at him and I communicate with my eyes like, I think I recognize her. And the look that he shot me back was, don't.

• 57:31Speaker 02

  No.

• 57:32Speaker 01

  Don't.

• 57:32Speaker 02

  Don't bring it up.

• 57:33Speaker 01

  Don't. And I was like, well, I wasn't going to, by the way, I, I, I, cause once I clocked.

• 57:40Speaker 02

  You knew. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 57:41Speaker 01

  Well, cause I feel like especially with top model, like those girls, like you don't, I would never want to get into it with one of them because it's so clear that it was not a healthy atmosphere. Like it, that's the entire conversation around it now. That's why we have this documentary. So.

• 57:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 57:58Speaker 01

  I would like, but I was thinking in that moment, like it was so wild that his reaction to me was to shake his head with wide eyes. Because clearly people were affected by their experiences.

• 58:12Speaker 01

  To put it mildly adverse ways.

• 58:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:14Speaker 01

  And so now it's, it's to see it occupy the news again, especially at a time when we're talking about how young women have been subjugated and treated and trafficked across the world. I don't know. If it were up to me, probably wouldn't be bringing it back, but you know.

• 58:32Speaker 02

  I, do we think that Tyra is?

• 58:37Speaker 02

  Eager to return to it because she feels like there's something redemptive?

• 58:42Speaker 01

  I think she wants to do the right thing. I will say that. I, I, I

• 58:46Speaker 02

  Of cour- yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 58:47Speaker 01

  I really do think that she probably thinks, you know what? I hate that this is the narrative around this. I too was once a young model. I know what it's like to be treated, you know, in ways that, again, to put it mildly, were unsavory and like, we can't even begin to know. And I'm sure she doesn't want her name and something that she, you know, brought into this world to be associated with destroying the psyches of young women trying to work in the very same industry that she made it in. I'm, I'm certain that she feels like there is an opportunity here. And I, I really don't believe and don't want to believe that it's just about her image.

• 59:31Speaker 01

  Like, I, I, I hope that she wants to restore what she broke care.

• 59:37Speaker 02

  Right. Because there was a time when that show was at the forefront of reality television.

• 59:44Speaker 01

  I mean, yeah, you could argue that it defined.

• 59:48Speaker 02

  That you, we, we wouldn't have a Drag Race without Top Model or, yeah, because it was because Drag Race, there was a time when Drag Race was just, was like very actively parodying Top Model.

• 1:00:00Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, the entire, the entire conceit is, is based on that format.

• 1:00:07Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. That Rue in drag was Tyra and Rue out of drag was Tim Gunn.

• 1:00:13Speaker 01

  Pretty much. Yeah.

• 1:00:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:16Speaker 01

  The Project Runway meets, um, meets Top Model and you get Drag Race.

• 1:00:20Speaker 02

  You get Drag Race. Totally. Which is to say that like, image saving, like, I think is part of it for Tyra, but I don't think that's like a totally inadmirable. I don't think that's like a- A bad thing necessarily, like she, I don't know. Well, I don't know.

• 1:00:39Speaker 01

  We don't know her, so it's hard to say, but it's like, I, I, at this point, I would just want to assume that with everything we know about how dark the world is and how fucked, like, at this point, it's like, you wouldn't, you wouldn't consciously bring back that television series to make things worse.

• 1:00:58Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 1:00:59Speaker 01

  You know, you're not gonna like line them up and be like, alright, which black girl we turn in white, you know what I mean?

• 1:01:06Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 1:01:07Speaker 01

  It's never going back there, but I would imagine, and I would hope that they just try to do an honest depiction of what it would be like for people to come and try and make it in the modeling industry and not sensationalize it for dramatic purpose, which is unreal and harmful, but also not sanitize and go all the way out of the way and make it toxically positive, because low key, those are just not fun to watch. So make it competitive and make it, make it edgy and make it relevant to what the industry is, but let's not chop a girl's ear off because the challenge requires it.

• 1:01:47Speaker 02

  Sure. Underrated gem, I think people must watch OMG Fashion, hosted by Julia Fox with La Roche.

• 1:01:56Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:01:57Speaker 02

  And, and, and rotating judges. It's just, you're in and out. Julio put, put, put me on, I think he put, put us both on it. It's like Julio's favorite show. It's like, every episode is 25 minutes. You see, it's like three contestants per show. It's like,

• 1:02:10Speaker 01

  It's a breeze.

• 1:02:11Speaker 02

  It's a breeze. Oh, it's just delightful. And you see people like make fashions. It's so fun. Like,

• 1:02:16Speaker 01

  It's really good.

• 1:02:17Speaker 02

  What do you want?

• 1:02:17Speaker 01

  So have you been exclusively on the video game tip or have you been watching any Bravo?

• 1:02:23Speaker 02

  I've not watched much Bravo at, I've not, no, you're watching Summer House. You want to talk about Summer House?

• 1:02:29Speaker 01

  I'm, I'm watching Summer House and. It's hard because I love Kyle and Amanda both.

• 1:02:35Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:02:36Speaker 01

  And I feel like I, one thing I really don't like is when couples fight in front of people and their friends. Like I, I.

• 1:02:44Speaker 02

  Is that happening already?

• 1:02:46Speaker 01

  I'll never forget. Oh God, it's just like, it's so thick. It's really what it is, is it's just two people who, and we can say this because we've been around them, we know them. They clearly love and adore each other. They just shouldn't be together.

• 1:03:00Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:03:01Speaker 01

  Which we know is happening, but it's watching people in real time kind of realize like the anxiety is creeping up in different ways for both of them, which is like, oh my God, this isn't working. And now I have to decide to extricate myself from the situation. And that is so stressful.

• 1:03:23Speaker 02

  Hmm. Yeah. I mean, should we say that like, when we were with them before they started shooting, that things seemed okay?

• 1:03:35Speaker 01

  They seem like they love each other. It's just that that is diff- and we also were hanging out with them in like a heightened atmosphere.

• 1:03:42Speaker 02

  Very controlled atmosphere.

• 1:03:43Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? Like, but then.

• 1:03:45Speaker 02

  But we were with, we spent time with them.

• 1:03:47Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, no, definitely.

• 1:03:48Speaker 02

  Like a lot of time.

• 1:03:49Speaker 01

  I was like, they, it was, it was funny because like, I had never really watched Summer House for years. And so I got into it in the last couple of years. And when people were saying like, oh, the whole, you know, Kyle and Amanda of it all, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, that feels like really blown out of proportion to me. Cause I was just like around them and like they're, they're, they seem great.

• 1:04:09Speaker 02

  I love it. Yeah.

• 1:04:10Speaker 01

  You watch the show and you're like, oh, it's that thing of when, when the cameras are rolling and it's, let's roll on reality. You kind of have to be real and it just feels like either they grew apart or.

• 1:04:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:25Speaker 01

  Or it's just that thing of. You know, you're realizing who someone is going into is someone that they can, they can no longer do anything right in your eyes. Like it's, it's that thing of like, when you're at the end of a relationship with someone and they kiss you and you're just like, oh, like it's the smallest thing. And I feel like they're there and it bums, it bums me out to watch.

• 1:04:48Speaker 02

  It's that thing where when the cameras are rolling,

• 1:04:54Speaker 02

  it, it, you are performing to them, but it's, it's very hard to be dishonest. Do you know what I mean?

• 1:04:59Speaker 01

  Yes. And the thing too is like, you can tell they have two different responses to that where Amanda's kind of being like, fuck it. I don't care.

• 1:05:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:06Speaker 01

  And, and like, she doesn't really care the way she comes off and Kyle is sort of like being a bit petulant. And his, like some of his behavior, I'm like, okay, well that's not okay.

• 1:05:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:05:18Speaker 01

  But then some of the way she talks to him, I'm like, well, you know, you, we can understand they're just in a cycle. Where it's like, you guys, it's never, it's, it's unless there's like a two week impatient, like couples counseling, like you're not going to get to the bottom of this.

• 1:05:37Speaker 02

  And this is just overall like a comment, not, again, not a new one, but a comment on reality television or like documentary, filmmaking, just non fictional, non narrative. There's cameras around for a long period of time.

• 1:05:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:55Speaker 02

  So on traders, just to, just to rebut Sarah Sherman, it's like, yeah, people are going to act crazy and say, you're being evil because the cameras are rolling for like 14 hours a day. Like you're going to start, you're, you're going to start behaving within the world of the show in a very particular way. That's why Housewives act out on these, on these shows, on these trips. That's why Drag Race girls like start to like, you know, like spin out when like things don't go there. Where it's like the behave, human behavior under observation. Like that is, is bound to like collapse. It, it, it wears itself out and erodes so quickly.

• 1:06:42Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? And I know that we kind of understand that culturally, but I don't think we fully realize like, I have to be reminded of that. If you're watching Kyle and Amanda like sort of start to fray at the edges, I'm like, and I'm like, but they were so fun and can't. I'm like, oh, right.

• 1:06:56Speaker 01

  Because it's like, of course. Yeah, because we're not watching a documentation of this. That's then edited for narrative. But it's just, I don't know. It's there's the whole rest of the season and then they have the show in the city. So I'm like wondering how that develops out. But I it's funny because like,

• 1:07:16Speaker 01

  I am watching the show and I'm like, I'm falling into the thing of like, I'm like, oh, I could be friends with all them. Like I, in a way that I never really was with Vanderpump Rules. I with Vanderpump Rules, I was kind of just like, okay, these, you know, these people doing these things, these creatures acting like this towards each other. But with Summer House, I'm kind of like, I feel like a little parasocial towards it to the point where I'm like, okay, I gotta watch this.

• 1:07:45Speaker 01

  It's and also there's like, there's like, it's even more voyeuristic. Like I get it now in a way that I was like, oh, I don't know why I watch Bravo if it isn't like, you know, middle aged women plus, but now I do get it.

• 1:07:59Speaker 02

  But Vanderpump, it's like, oh, Jackson James and like,

• 1:08:04Speaker 01

  No awful.

• 1:08:05Speaker 02

  These, I'm like, I would never be around these people.

• 1:08:08Speaker 01

  Whereas it's not the same with Kyle. And I feel like the popular thing with Kyle right now is to like totally dunk on Kyle.

• 1:08:14Speaker 02

  No, no, no.

• 1:08:15Speaker 01

  Like I do understand what Kyle is saying a lot of the time, like talking about like, you know, of course on face value, like him being out DJing when Amanda has said for years, like, I don't want you out doing that. Like, I want you to prioritize being home with me, less drinking, et cetera. But then him giving the shade that like, it's something he's had to do professionally because Loverboy is having a tough moment and he gets paid to go do this stuff. And it's easy money. Like that does, that does create a new shade to it. However, by the same token, if she's asking for one thing and she's not getting her one thing, and then you're going to turn her around. Down on her and say she smokes too much weed. It's like, dude, you can't go there. It's like, she's living her fucking life the way she wants to.

• 1:08:59Speaker 02

  That's different from like James Kennedy, like being violent, you know?

• 1:09:04Speaker 01

  Oh, God, yes. No, like I would argue that Summer House is a bunch of complicated dynamics, but none of them are bad people. Like on other shows, there are full blown bad people existing. And yeah, it's funny when now, cause now you see like they get one opportunity to cut someone from some of these shows and they're like, bye, because we don't want to deal with your

• 1:09:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:27Speaker 01

  bullshit. But Summer House is like, I really do feel like one of the reasons why it's a great show is because I get wherever one is coming from in a way that I think is more interesting to watch because you could actually have a discussion. You can actually play devil's advocate here because there are no devils.

• 1:09:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's great. I love that.

• 1:09:46Speaker 01

  Man's advocate.

• 1:09:49Speaker 02

  Complicated person advocate.

• 1:09:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:52Speaker 02

  Well, I think it's time.

• 1:09:53Speaker 01

  I think it's time. I'm looking down at my list. I did make a list of topics here. I just want to shout out just because I haven't said it on the podcast yet. At the end of the Tokyo trip, we all just, we all discussed our highs of the trip and I just wanted to share my high with the readers, which is that I got to do the last ever Jaws ride in Universal Studios Osaka. And I'm going to post pictures from it. I haven't posted any pictures from Tokyo yet because it's honestly been so like, I was like, there's so many pictures here. And also I'm trying to take the importance out of posting about it. I've just been enjoying the fact that I went on it. But I did want to share with everyone who's been following along from the beginning that I did reconnect with in many ways, the culture that made me

• 1:10:36Speaker 01

  say culture was for me, which was the Jaws fucking ride, which was done by.

• 1:10:43Speaker 01

  A legend.

• 1:10:44Speaker 02

  An amazing skipper. She was, you've, you've had female skippers before.

• 1:10:48Speaker 01

  We had a female skipper. I had never had a female skipper in all of my years in Universal Orlando. So we go to Osaka. I'm like, oh my God, we have a female skipper. I'm like, she's about to pull out a gun. She pulls out a fucking gun. She did the whole thing. She was giving acting. She was giving eye, small eye acting. She was screaming, firing, uh, just feeling that, that fire on our face. To know they were doing the pirate technique effect still from my childhood, going into the boathouse, hearing the score, watching that fish pop out of the water. I mean, it just gave me everything. It was so healing and I needed it badly.

• 1:11:25Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:11:25Speaker 01

  And, um, it gave me such joy. And so that happened. And I have to say, if you're a fan of this culture, it might not be over for us because there's light, light, light, light, light rumors that it could potentially be possible. Like, I, I, this is wish fulfillment really, but that it could come back to Universal and Orlando because they're gonna knock down that horrible, um, Fast and Furious supercharged. You know, that god awful Fast and Furious ride in Universal in Orlando?

• 1:11:57Speaker 02

  It's like where the, the bus like lines up with?

• 1:12:00Speaker 01

  Yes, yes. It's terrible. So they're knocking it down because they're putting a Fast and Furious roller coaster in that's replacing the Rip Ride Rocket. So now there's that whole area that they could do something with. And I was watching this video the other day.

• 1:12:17Speaker 01

  I'm back on Lexapro and on my bullshit on YouTube, which is like, um, watching the theme park construction. And, um, they were saying that there's a possibility they could knock it down and recreate the Jaws ride. But it's never gonna happen, but I'm just gonna continue to put it into the atmosphere because of what I just experienced in Universal in Japan. Like, it was so good and we all got off of it and it was by far our favorite thing because it was like practical and fun and stupid and narrative and it had a live actor which rocked. Anyway.

• 1:12:49Speaker 02

  The live actor, I think, was the thing that really was the binding.

• 1:12:54Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:12:54Speaker 02

  Like it just, she real, she made you go, oh, thank God that wasn't just a screen. Or thank God that wasn't like,

• 1:13:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:03Speaker 02

  You know?

• 1:13:04Speaker 01

  Well, because that's what Universal was. Like, that's what was so cool about that theme park in contrast to all the Disney parks back in the day was that you had a, you had like live participants in the attractions that interacted and interfaced with you that made you feel, again, the slogan was initially, "Ride the Movies." And so it put you in.

• 1:13:26Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:13:27Speaker 01

  Because you had a proxy.

• 1:13:29Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:13:29Speaker 01

  The actual environments. And that was a lot of the attractions, whereas now, you know, it's different. But that was what I loved and appreciated about it so much. And I felt like a boy again.

• 1:13:38Speaker 02

  Oh, my God. I love that. I enjoyed it so, I wouldn't say equally as much because it was, it just had a different emotional valence for you. But I really, I was like, oh, yeah. This is what I love about theme parks, about roller coasters.

• 1:13:52Speaker 01

  It was so fun.

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  Okay, this is I Don't Think So Honey. This is where we take one minute to rail against something in culture. Matt, do you have something?

• 1:18:31Speaker 01

  I do. I'm going to be returning to the Wuthering Heights of it all because there's an unsung part of it. And I believe she's an unsung part of culture and I want to talk about this.

• 1:18:41Speaker 02

  Hung chow? Oh, my gosh. This is-

• 1:18:43Speaker 01

  It's not hung chow, but hung chow is great in this movie. But I feel like everyone already knows hung chow is great.

• 1:18:49Speaker 02

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• 1:18:50Speaker 01

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• 1:18:57Speaker 01

  I don't think so, honey, that this name is not on the tip of tongues. Allison Oliver. So she is in this movie, Wuthering Heights. She's also in Saltburn. She's the sister Venetia in Saltburn. And in this movie, in Wuthering Heights, she plays Isabella, who's the ward of the dude that Margot Robbie marries for wealth.

• 1:19:19Speaker 01

  She is like, imagine like Anna Paquin, but like cracked. Like she's essentially doing clownery in this movie in many ways. She gets into a BDSM relationship with Jacob Elordi, which is really insane to watch. She barks like a dog and crawls on the floor. She has it right behind the eyes. She's a nut and I love this actress and she was so different and incredible in Saltburn. She had that bathtub scene in Saltburn that was so good. She's got, she eats this movie up. This is, I really liked this movie. She's my favorite thing about it. And I need her cast in more things because it's really just Emerald putting her in a lot of shit. More, more, more of this actress, Allison Oliver.

• 1:20:00Speaker 02

  Oh, that's one minute. I love it. I love that Emerald's muses are Jacob and, and this queen and Allison Oliver. No, she, she was great in Saltburn.

• 1:20:09Speaker 01

  I'm telling you, her performance is my favorite in the movie because it's as crazy as everything else happening. And Anna Hosni, our producer says, she's really good in the show Task. I see, I didn't even know what that is like, and I didn't know much about her, but, but I saw that she was in this. And I'm like, oh, that's the actress that I really liked from Saltburn. And now I think I have to adopt her.

• 1:20:35Speaker 02

  Hmm. How old is she?

• 1:20:40Speaker 01

  How old is she? No, you know what? I actually know she's 28, Allison Oliver. Let's see, she's 28, she's 28 and 5'7". And her boyfriend is Josh O'Connor.

• 1:20:53Speaker 02

  Oh, oh my God.

• 1:20:55Speaker 01

  How gagged are you for that?

• 1:20:57Speaker 02

  I love that man.

• 1:20:59Speaker 01

  She was at the SNL after party. I did corner her. Oh, okay. So I'm not the only person on this train. Uh, so it does feel like there should be a moment to celebrate her.

• 1:21:09Speaker 02

  I can't believe, I can't believe.

• 1:21:10Speaker 01

  Award nomination.

• 1:21:11Speaker 02

  She might get a culture award. I, I might've even said hello to her as well. I spaced, um, what a great couple.

• 1:21:18Speaker 01

  You know what though? She looks way different in person than she does in either of these roles, which is another reason why I really like her. Because you look at a red carpet photo of her and you're like, that's not.

• 1:21:28Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 1:21:28Speaker 01

  But. That is.

• 1:21:30Speaker 02

  That is, but that is. Well, you must adopt.

• 1:21:34Speaker 01

  I, I think I'm adopting this, this person seven years younger than me. Okay, Bowen Yang, do you have an I don't think so honey?

• 1:21:41Speaker 02

  I believe so, yes.

• 1:21:45Speaker 01

  Okay, this is Bowen Yang's I don't think so honey as time starts now.

• 1:21:50Speaker 02

  I don't think so honey gummies, I think we've gone too far with them as a vessel, as a delivery system. You're a grown up. Take the pill. You can swallow a pill. It doesn't have to come in gummies, okay? You can take the melatonin in a pill. You can take the vitamin in a pill. Because this is what happens when you put a bunch of crazy shit in a gummy. It starts, it starts to taste like shit. Leave gummies alone.

• 1:22:19Speaker 01

  Thirty seconds.

• 1:22:20Speaker 02

  Keep them candy. Don't, don't put a bunch of stuff in them. I'm even gonna, gonna say, don't even put weed in them. Don't even put shrooms in, don't even put drugs in a gummy because you're a grown up.

• 1:22:34Speaker 01

  Fifteen?

• 1:22:35Speaker 02

  You have to walk through the crucible of your choices. And you cannot infantilize yourself.

• 1:22:44Speaker 01

  Five seconds?

• 1:22:44Speaker 02

  By making these things that are adult consumables and putting them in candy and in a childlike delivery system.

• 1:22:51Speaker 01

  And that's one minute. Peek behind the curtain.

• 1:22:54Speaker 02

  There's too many shapes, there's too many shapes, there's too many animals. That's good for candy. It's not okay for, for things that like we might need for our joints.

• 1:23:04Speaker 01

  Okay. Let's not play.

• 1:23:07Speaker 02

  Let's not play.

• 1:23:08Speaker 01

  And also it's like, grow up and swallow the pill.

• 1:23:11Speaker 02

  Swallow the pill.

• 1:23:13Speaker 01

  And guess what? Cut it in half. Cut it in half. Go pour yourself a glass of water. I'm sure you can hydrate more as well.

• 1:23:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:21Speaker 01

  And I'm sure.

• 1:23:23Speaker 02

  I'm sure that you don't need to keep so many. I don't know. It's just like,

• 1:23:29Speaker 01

  someone's gonna like, uh, send an Aaron DM be like, I have a disease where I can't swallow. So if you guys need, uh, just please.

• 1:23:38Speaker 02

  It's okay. Then.

• 1:23:39Speaker 01

  Put it up your butt.

• 1:23:41Speaker 02

  That sounds.

• 1:23:41Speaker 01

  Put it up your butt.

• 1:23:42Speaker 02

  Kinda does.

• 1:23:43Speaker 01

  I, I did wanna just peek behind the curtain. Um, we have an episode coming out with Monet Exchange next week that we already recorded and I do an I don't think so, honey, about something you mentioned.

• 1:23:54Speaker 02

  Oh, I spoiled. Well, can we, can we bleep that out?

• 1:23:57Speaker 01

  Bleep it out, but don't cut it.

• 1:24:00Speaker 02

  Did you put that in a gummy? Did you take?

• 1:24:02Speaker 01

  It was in a gummy. It was in a gummy. I don't think it would have been better if it was in a pill in terms of my experience, but at least it wouldn't have offended you. But I did wanna come out and say I had been using blank gummies.

• 1:24:17Speaker 02

  I'm not blaming you.

• 1:24:18Speaker 01

  No, but I, but I had a bad experience because it didn't taste good. It didn't feel good in the morning. And also another thing is when these things get hot, they will get all gushy, gushy together.

• 1:24:29Speaker 02

  Said gushy so many times this.

• 1:24:30Speaker 01

  I know gushy really has been like gushing out of me.

• 1:24:34Speaker 02

  Gushy? Is it the same as gushy?

• 1:24:36Speaker 01

  Gushy, gushy, gushy? Who knows? Gushy is the title of this episode. G U S H Y. Gushy, gushy, gushy.

• 1:24:49Speaker 02

  Um.

• 1:24:51Speaker 01

  House of gushy. Oh, things we didn't get to today. Harry Styles, Aperture. I love it. Excited for his new era. Um, Grammy's best new artist goes to Olivia Dean and JFK and Carolyn, America Love Story. Did you see that viral clip of his big dong?

• 1:25:08Speaker 02

  You were telling me about this. I.

• 1:25:11Speaker 01

  You've just been playing video games.

• 1:25:13Speaker 02

  I've been playing video games.

• 1:25:15Speaker 01

  We're gonna find out if that's a real dong. We're gonna find out. They want us asking the question.

• 1:25:19Speaker 02

  I think you would like Final Fantasy X.

• 1:25:23Speaker 02

  I could, because I think just hearing you talk about story, it's one of the best stories in all of, and we talked about it with Monet.

• 1:25:30Speaker 01

  And I kind of sat there and like let my sisters really rally. It's a great episode with Monet Exchange.

• 1:25:36Speaker 02

  It's a great episode.

• 1:25:38Speaker 01

  And for now, by the way, I just want to end this by saying Oscar for Charlie XCX for Wuthering Heights. I'm not kidding. Give her the Oscar for Chains of Love.

• 1:25:47Speaker 02

  Love that. Support. Okay, we end every episode with a song.

• 1:25:52Speaker 02

  Chains of love are cruel. Shouldn't feel like a prisoner.

• 1:26:01Speaker 02

  To hear more of that, listen to Wuthering Heights by Charlie XCX. Chains of Love.

• 1:26:05Speaker 01

  Bye.

• 1:26:08Speaker 02

  Last Cultureist is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeartRadio Podcasts.

• 1:26:12Speaker 01

  Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Executive produced by Anna Hosni and produced by Becca Ramos.

• 1:26:18Speaker 02

  Edited and mixed by Doug Bane.

• 1:26:20Speaker 01

  And our music is by Henrik Mursky.

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• 1:27:24Speaker 06

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• 1:27:27Speaker 05

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• 1:27:27Speaker 06

  I was just wondering if we could maybe take it easy this week?

• 1:27:31Speaker 05

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• 1:27:40Speaker 05

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