"Friends With Ariel" (w/ Ariana Madix)

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  Now, tell us about the origins of, like, being an Orlando girlie.

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  Because, wait, do you still have to be a little secretive? Because, like, we did a show in Orlando a few years ago, and, like, there were, like, Disney princesses, working Disney princesses in the audience, and we were, like, asking them, doing crowd work, I guess, about the job, and they were like, we can't tell you.

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  Well, I, you know, I assume you don't have younger listeners.

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  Certainly not.

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  If we do, I'm so nervous.

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  Scared.

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  Like, the way we talk about, like, gay sex on this podcast, I just hope that someone is holding their hand through it. I hope you have a good parent.

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  Look, Matt. Where? Oh, I see. Wow, my. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yes, goodness. Wow. Los Culturistas.

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  Ding dong, Los Culturistas calling. We're talking beta blockers over here.

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  We're talking BBs.

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  And I was sharing with our guest, who you're gonna meet in just a sec, that I brought a bunch of beta blockers over to Bowen Yang's house. And I remember when I put them in that little Petri dish.

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  You put them in a little Petri dish.

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  Are they still there?

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  They're still there. And I, all I've gotten through is half of one, because I took it before a rehearsal, like, the week before the shoot, I went on, and it chilled me out so hard.

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  You were like a chill Mary Todd.

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  I was chill Mary Todd, and I was like, well, that's not the character.

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  People don't go to Oh, Mary to see chill Mary Todd. It's actually Rulaculture number five. People don't go to Oh, Mary to see chill Mary Todd.

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  I was like, the south of what?

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  Speaking of really chill and cool and incredible things on Broadway.

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  Yes, oh, go.

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  She was born fucking cool.

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  She was born cool, she was born fucking cool. She is, I think, the original winner of the Allison Williams Cool Girl Award.

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  Literally. This is a Los Culturistas culture award winner. And, by the way, like, I'll never forget the message that she sent in, because she said, "Reality TV is not trash." That was the way she ended it, and I was like, if anything has proven more true. And I will also say, like, this person is the definition of when life gives you lemons, you make lemonade. I actually was gonna bring the lemonade.

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  Lemoncello.

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  Lemoncello, even, because it's musical, like a cello.

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  Yes.

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  I was gonna bring the lemonade vinyl in today.

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  Oh, fabulous.

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  And put it up there so that it would display, but.

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  Oh, well.

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  It is in LA.

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  I think, do you think it's worth sharing with our guest that she was part of a huge fight that you and I had?

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  I think she knows about this, but we'll tell her.

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  We'll tell her again.

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  We'll tell her, I don't know if she knows, actually.

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  It's, it's our guest in Chapel Rowan.

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  It has to do with you and Chapel Rowan.

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  And it happened on the set of Wicked.

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  A lot of things converging with our guest.

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  It was really, it was a tough night.

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  It's gay culture in one moment.

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  It really was wild.

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  Matt Rogers, a boning, having a screaming match.

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  Crying.

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  Crying while Bowen was on the set of Wicked.

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  Because of a photo with Ariana Madix and Bowen, when I was trying to get his attention about Chapel Rowan. Anyway, this is. You can see her now in Just in Time on Broadway. And you should, it's such a special show. It's really, really lovely. She's in it right now until November 22nd. Who knows what's gonna happen with that?

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  Who knows what's gonna happen with that date?

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  And she's an Emmy nominee for hosting the biggest reality show in the world, Love Island. Maybe you've heard of that one.

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  Maybe you've heard of that one. She is a sandwich genius.

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  Yeah, sandwich shop owner.

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  Sandwich shop owner.

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  Thematic.

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  Thematic.

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  Sandwich shop owner.

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  She is a New York Times bestselling author. Bartender's legend. And she was, and we will discuss this, an Orlando Disney princess.

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  And just understand what we're dealing with, with all that information.

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  This is, this is Los Culturistas. This is the perfect Los Cult guest, in my opinion.

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  Here we go, and we welcome her. Everyone, please welcome into your ears Ariana Madix!

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  What's up, girl?

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  I'm just grinning ear to ear. I'm like cracking up over here.

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  As are we in our hearts. Do you know about the fight that you caused between?

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  No, wait, what is this fight?

• 6:03Speaker 02

  This was, when I was in a tough place, flying back and forth between New York and London, like, once a week, essentially. Not for a long time, but like, there was just a lot of back and forth. I was very emotionally dysregulated. I would get up at five in the morning to go drive two hours, two hours outside of London. I, in a, you know, in a sort of twilight stupor, not, or dawn stupor, posted the photo that you and I took at the up-fronts that one year.

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  Oh, yes, yeah.

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  And I think I posted it to close friends.

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  He posted it actually quite publicly.

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  Okay.

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  And at that time, I was really reeling from my own breakup.

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  Yeah.

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  So while you were sort of going through everything on Vanderpump, I was militantly by your side on the internet. I don't, I don't know if you remember, I literally sent in a question to watch what happened live when you were on. So I'm really having a hard time, and I'm trying to get Bowen's attention.

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  Because he's just discovered this new artist named Chapel Rowan.

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  I have discovered.

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  You discovered.

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  Chapel Rowan. I went to the Fonda, and I was like, I'm telling you, there was, there was like, it was like, it was small time. It was like, I knew this girl was pulling up. So I'm texting, and I'm like, we have to talk about Chapel Rowan. You're gonna be so excited, you're gonna love her. He's ignoring me fully and posting photos with you. And I think in that moment, I was like, half felt ignored, half jealous, because it was a photo with you. And I was like, I think I literally called you, and I was like, "I don't know why you can post a photo with Ariana Madix when I'm trying to tell you this thing." And he's like, "It's not all about you."

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  And then I was in the trailer, and the PAs were freaked the fuck out, because they heard me screaming at the top of my lungs, like, I've never screamed in my life. I go, I was like, "It's not urgent that I know about who Chapel Rowan is." It was.

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  It is. It is urgent. I can post a picture of Ariana Madix if I want to.

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  Just crazy seismic fucking.

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  Literally, five minutes later, we're crying and apologizing.

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  Just like, I love you so much, you're my best friend in the world.

• 8:02Speaker 01

  I think, I just, I think it was just triggered because of what Ariana is going through, like, literally.

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  So you figure very heavily into the lore.

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  Oh, my gosh.

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  In addition to the Culture Awards win.

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  Oh, my god, yeah.

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  Anyway.

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  I didn't know I fit into the lore that hard.

• 8:14Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, well, it's kind of an embarrassing thing to just tell you piecemeal. We don't worry, we're okay. This show is about conflict and resolution, like all good Bravo shows.

• 8:25Speaker 02

  Like anything. Well, we were talking beta blockers, and we don't have to get into this, but you want to test it out in a setting that does not require performance.

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  Yes.

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  Yes.

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  I'm nervous, well, I'm nervous is the issue all the time.

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  Sure.

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  But I, what makes me nervous is that if I feel something I've never felt before, it will be too different of a sensation.

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  Yes.

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  And, like you said, chill Mary Todd.

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  Right, yeah.

• 8:52Speaker 03

  I mean, I guess Connie can be chill.

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  Connie can be chill.

• 8:54Speaker 01

  Connie can be chill, but here's the thing, Connie does have to come in with that swagu.

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  She does, she has to come in a little country. Like, she has to be like, you guys wrote a song, what, what's up?

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  Right, right, right.

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  It can't be like, "Hey, how ya boys? I'm sorry, I'm late."

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  I kind of like this country Connie.

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  Country Connie is kind of nice.

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  Honestly.

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  Yeah.

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  One of the things I was, like, really excited about when I was hearing you perform it is, there's a lot, there's like a country in your voice.

• 9:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, Connie sings with a lot of, like, what we call nasal twang, I mean, which you know about. And I've been working on that a lot, because it is very different from all of the vocal stuff that I've worked on in the past, which was very much like, really turn you elongate vowels, really round out vowels, really kind of like, I've always thought, like, get out of that sort of nasal space.

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  Right.

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  But when you can find where to add that in, it really brings that, like, cool pop sound, especially to that period of time of music and her music, and she's so incredible. And, I mean, I could never sound like Connie, but, you know, to bring a little of that in, that's, that's the goal, yeah.

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  Are you finding that you are deprogramming certain things about going to school for musical theater as you're doing it? Which is so ironic, right?

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  Yeah, it's, I definitely am deprogramming things, because we're singing pop music at the end of the day. And, I mean, a lot of it is standards. I mean, a lot of what Jeremy sings is standards.

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  Yeah.

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  But, you know, it's something old made new, which we say in the show, and it's this period of pop music that is very different to say, you know, when you're in school, you're learning things like Oklahoma, or, you know, the learner in low of it all. And this is just very different.

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  The learner in low of it all.

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  Wow.

• 10:44Speaker 01

  Isn't it funny, everything they trained you for in musical theater, and now it's like, yeah, no, it's the Cher musical.

• 10:51Speaker 01

  You know believe, right? Everyone knows believe.

• 10:55Speaker 02

  There you go. They would never teach you that. But like, I mean, was, did it apply to Roxy more or less?

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  I feel like Roxy, Roxy's doing a lot of talk singing. And I don't know, I feel like Roxy, I wanted, it was, it was different. Definitely was a different method, different vibe entirely. There's also moments where Connie, in particular, is singing, but it's, she's actually, we are acknowledging that she's performing when she's singing.

• 11:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:27Speaker 03

  So even in the first, My First Row Love, we're working on a song together, but it's a performance aspect of us recording it, us learning a song together.

• 11:36Speaker 01

  There's layers of it.

• 11:37Speaker 03

  And Who's Sorry Now, Ed Sullivan introduces her, she's actually, at least the first part of the song for sure, like, attempting after this dramatic moment to sing as she would on television. Which is different from most musicals, which is you feel something so much that you can't help but sing.

• 11:57Speaker 01

  You must burst out.

• 11:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:58Speaker 02

  The diabetics are interesting in the show, or whatever. It's like, where's the music coming from? But like, I feel like it is either helpful, or it's an extra layer that you have to like filter through.

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  Yeah.

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  How do you feel about it?

• 12:12Speaker 03

  I think, I think it's helpful in a sense that, like, for example, with Who's Sorry Now and her performing this like on television in this moment. You know, we just had this dramatic moment, but I'm, I'm smiling through this very sad song because the idea is that I'm like, all right, here I am. Everything's fine. I'm performing. But the, the emotion underneath is that I'm actually going through this hard moment. Second half of the song, we can lean into that feeling and I can actually sing more towards like what's really being felt. So it kinda helps, but it is, it is different because sometimes it's like, takes the,

• 12:53Speaker 03

  the performance aspect takes a bit of the emotion out of it, if that makes sense.

• 12:59Speaker 02

  I am, not to, not to make this about me, but like,

• 13:02Speaker 03

  Please do, no.

• 13:02Speaker 02

  No, no, no. I'm just like, I feel like I have a crutch and without spoiling it, like in Oh, Mary, it's like, I get to sing as, in this like reverie, and it doesn't have to be technically good, or even just,

• 13:14Speaker 03

  Well, you still are.

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  No, no, no.

• 13:16Speaker 03

  I saw it.

• 13:18Speaker 01

  You were there!

• 13:19Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 13:20Speaker 02

  You and, and Daniel was there?

• 13:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, he came.

• 13:23Speaker 02

  I love Daniel. I love Daniel. I've never met him, but he's,

• 13:26Speaker 01

  Oh, no, no. Well, I've met Daniel several times. My favorite time that we ran into you was at Coachella. I think, I was like, I literally ran into Ariana and Daniel with Patrick. And we were like, oh my God, and just bursting, hugging and walking away. I was like, that was amazing. And then I was like, wow, they seem so happy. I'm like, I'm certain everyone is on Molly. I think we're all just like, yeah, it was a neon carnival. We're all so psyched. I'm like, yeah. We're amped.

• 13:55Speaker 02

  We're amped. No, no, no comment on that.

• 13:58Speaker 03

  No comment.

• 13:59Speaker 02

  No comment. Oh, but wait, it's okay. Speaking of that, although, but I'll go back to,

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  Oh, yes, yeah.

• 14:04Speaker 02

  But no, like, okay, so you don't want to, you don't want to feel something new on a, like for the first time while you perform.

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  Just in case, it's like not the thing.

• 14:12Speaker 02

  This is a weird question, but do you recall the last time you've experienced a new emotion?

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  Cause it is a thing that you're, it's a great framework, cause it's like, I don't want to feel something new.

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  Yeah.

• 14:23Speaker 02

  And have to be on stage for it.

• 14:24Speaker 03

  No, like a new, brand new emotion? Couldn't tell you the last time.

• 14:28Speaker 02

  Exactly. Cause it happens what, like five times in your life?

• 14:31Speaker 03

  Exactly, yeah. I'm like, okay, yeah, at this point you think you've experienced,

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  All of it.

• 14:37Speaker 03

  All or most of them?

• 14:39Speaker 01

  You've already experienced more types of, of,

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  Experience.

• 14:44Speaker 01

  Human exposure than most people, I would say, too.

• 14:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:46Speaker 01

  It's like a very weird, I was thinking about that too. It's like, both the characters that you've played on Broadway so far, a lot of it is about exactly what you were saying, which is like, I am giving you this, but really it's this.

• 14:58Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 14:58Speaker 01

  And I think about how that speaks to you and the, the life that you like have been living for the past, you know, I guess 11, 12, 13 years. Which is, I am someone who is being received a certain way, yet I'm also a human being behind that who's feeling a million different things than the person that you are all getting to know.

• 15:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:20Speaker 01

  So it's kind of funny sometimes how those things follow us.

• 15:23Speaker 03

  For sure. And it's always like, I never get into all of those million different things, cause it's like a Pandora's box.

• 15:28Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 15:29Speaker 03

  It's like, I could never like summarize it all for everyone. So I'm just like, I'll just let that be the inner world.

• 15:39Speaker 01

  Right.

• 15:39Speaker 03

  And like, okay, and then the outer world is just like, whatever you guys want to make up at this point.

• 15:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're, you're good with the fact that like, I guess, I don't know how to say that. It's like, now you moved into such a different phase. Like you're an Emmy nominated host and like arbiter of this like worldwide phenomenon. And now you get to like express yourself in these other ways, and yet you know that people like can go back and watch Vanderpump Rules whenever they want. It's like, so it's like, you're good with that person as the way she exists because you're not super invested in what everyone thinks about her.

• 16:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, especially, well, about, because I also know at this point, I've had so much time since that. And I also am able to look at that and know what I was really going through. And if, you know, the more you explain something, the more it just, you have to keep explaining and then explain more and explain something else. And then they're like, but what do you mean? The Bean Supplication of it all.

• 16:33Speaker 02

  The Bean Supplication.

• 16:36Speaker 03

  So I kind of just let it be, cause I also know how much I was going through that was like never on that show. Then I'm like, that can be in the memoir, or that can be in conversation with friends, or that can be whatever. But I feel like sometimes also the people who want to look at you in bad faith.

• 16:55Speaker 01

  They will.

• 16:55Speaker 03

  They will regardless.

• 16:56Speaker 01

  Yes, yes.

• 16:57Speaker 03

  So.

• 16:58Speaker 02

  And there's something about the modern condition where it's like, you have to, in order to like survive, you have to be okay with being misunderstood.

• 17:07Speaker 03

  You have to.

• 17:08Speaker 02

  You have to.

• 17:08Speaker 03

  It's not,

• 17:10Speaker 02

  You should.

• 17:10Speaker 03

  The greatest.

• 17:11Speaker 02

  It's not the greatest, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 17:12Speaker 03

  And of course, I feel like even too, like even, you know, even with doing this show, even with doing Justin Time, and with the casting announcement and things like that. There's so much that's still being misunderstood or, but then it's like, what do you do? You go in the comments and you like fight people, you know? Sometimes if I have something really good to say, I'll say it.

• 17:32Speaker 01

  I've experimented.

• 17:33Speaker 02

  I've experimented, but,

• 17:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, I dabble.

• 17:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, I dabble. I dabble in fighting.

• 17:37Speaker 02

  I think I've said this on the show, on this show before, um, I think of the comments as like, middle school or high school where it's like, oh, I don't go here anymore. You know what I mean?

• 17:47Speaker 03

  I like that.

• 17:48Speaker 02

  But I, which is not to say that like they're in a different sort of like, it's, it's like a different tier. It's just a different like, it's not where I belong.

• 17:55Speaker 03

  And it's not,

• 17:55Speaker 02

  You don't belong there. You know what I mean?

• 17:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, it doesn't fuel your creativity.

• 18:00Speaker 02

  Right.

• 18:00Speaker 03

  It doesn't foster an artistic spirit, you know? And a lot of times too, what you see people say, you're like, but the things that you are talking about are things that the people, let's say you're a huge fan of, of Mariah Carey. Mariah Carey's not sitting there being like, yeah, I'm so glad that person talks shit about another artist.

• 18:20Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 18:21Speaker 03

  She's like, no, we don't do that here because we foster the spirit of creativity in this realm. So it's so funny, cause they always think that by tearing down people or whatever, that they're doing some sort of justice.

• 18:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 18:37Speaker 03

  But meanwhile, it's like very much not the thing.

• 18:40Speaker 02

  I mean, between Broadway and Bravo or just reality at large, it's like, they're, they're different registers of the same song or music, right? It's like, it's people with strong opinions really just competing for volume or something, or just, or just like,

• 18:58Speaker 02

  it's just something about the comment culture of it being like, well, no, this is what is right and this is what is just. And it's like, well, there are just these a million different things that like cannot be brought to the service for whatever reason.

• 19:13Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 19:13Speaker 02

  And so I just find it so, I just think that the beautiful sort of arrangement of your life and career is that like, It's about performance and even in Connie Francis, it's about like, it's about the performance of the self, of the self, but I feel like on Love Island, you even have this amazing thing now where it's like you get to sort of oversee how other people are performing themselves as people are watching them, as they're getting feedback in real time.

• 19:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, and that's why I feel like too, when the show is when Love Island is airing, I always, every time I have press or something, I always try to reiterate that these are human people.

• 19:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 19:46Speaker 03

  These are people who are put in a situation that is totally different to anything else and they're doing their best.

• 19:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:53Speaker 03

  And like, we cannot be dogging on them that hard, like the way people do.

• 19:58Speaker 01

  And yet, I feel like it is the most viral show that exists because of that. And it, I remember, so I watched like, it's, it's a lot of episodes. So I watched like the first like six or seven, and then in the middle, I think I was working, so I kind of dropped out. And then I watched like the last five or six. And my opinion was, I don't know why people don't like Zach. I don't get it. Like Zach and Kada seemed like a jam to me. Seems like maybe she, like, I, I feel like, dude, does the audience not like her? I'm wondering. And people, the way, the response I got was so crazy. And it meant about a million other things. And I'm like, oh, right. People are literally parasocially, not just attached, but living alongside these people several days a week.

• 20:40Speaker 03

  Well, and even like months after the season has ended.

• 20:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:43Speaker 03

  Zach, Kada, all these islanders who maybe they had something, their, their reasoning was probably having to do with Trinity and Bryce and all of that. But Trinity and Bryce and Zach and Kada, they're good. They love each other. They're friends. So it's like, why can't the fans also just let them work that out and not be attacking, even for you to say like, what's going on? What's the deal? Like, they're cool. So why can't everyone else just kind of be cool?

• 21:09Speaker 02

  That it's the response to the response.

• 21:11Speaker 01

  Right.

• 21:12Speaker 02

  That is so like inflamed or something that is.

• 21:14Speaker 01

  Well, it then became like, it's like, I think that what, because there was like a controversy about like the guys seeming red-pilled, right?

• 21:22Speaker 03

  Yes, which with the Gen Z of it all.

• 21:24Speaker 01

  Right.

• 21:24Speaker 03

  I feel like is a concern as these.

• 21:27Speaker 02

  It's a fine line.

• 21:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, because that, what I see online is a lot of these younger guys are red-pilled. Not to say any of our islanders are at all. I'm just saying like, I've seen it. So I, I get the concern of like the red-pilification of Gen Z, the purity culture.

• 21:43Speaker 01

  And how men treat women.

• 21:45Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I get the concern. Um, but they're in the villa. There's no way to ask them.

• 21:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 21:51Speaker 01

  Right, exactly.

• 21:52Speaker 03

  There's no way to be like, hey.

• 21:54Speaker 01

  Yeah. And, because there is no moment in the show at all, and I think that probably there shouldn't be, where people are like, so just so you know, this is like, or they, they sort of get some feedback.

• 22:05Speaker 03

  When there's certain challenges or certain votes that are like, what, who's your favorite? And all of a sudden, someone's in the bottom that you are confused.

• 22:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, but they can't, they can't speak to what the reaction is that may be earning them that placement. So then it's just, they're spinning their wheels. It's kind of fascinating. You see them spin their wheels about what it could be, and then they end up treating their partner weirdly because of it.

• 22:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:29Speaker 01

  Which is honestly, it's a way to prepare them for what's going to come after.

• 22:33Speaker 03

  Yes, because people might say something, you see some things online and you're like, oh, they might be like, your boyfriend has weird, a weird eyebrow. And you're like, I never thought that. And then you're like, wait, does my boyfriend have a weird eyebrow? And then it becomes like some sort of complex. And then the relationship gets weird because someone on the internet said your boyfriend had a weird eyebrow.

• 22:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, and now all I can see is that maybe your eyebrow was weird.

• 22:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:56Speaker 01

  Or, or is it that I can't see what's real, you know?

• 23:00Speaker 03

  It's like the Twilight Zone.

• 23:01Speaker 02

  It is the Twilight Zone thing.

• 23:03Speaker 01

  Love Island is the Twilight Zone.

• 23:04Speaker 03

  Yes, yes.

• 23:05Speaker 01

  And you are Rod Serling.

• 23:06Speaker 02

  You're Rod Serling.

• 23:08Speaker 03

  Ah.

• 23:08Speaker 02

  Hottie.

• 23:09Speaker 01

  Title of that is Rod Serling.

• 23:11Speaker 02

  Rod Serling.

• 23:11Speaker 03

  Ah.

• 23:12Speaker 02

  You're our generation's Rod.

• 23:14Speaker 01

  We need to make the Love Island Tower of Terror so that you can host that.

• 23:17Speaker 03

  Oh my God, what a dream.

• 23:19Speaker 01

  Speaking of Orlando.

• 23:20Speaker 03

  Speaking of.

• 23:21Speaker 01

  Now, tell us about the origins of like being an Orlando girlie.

• 23:25Speaker 02

  Because you go, wait, do you still have to be a little secretive? Because like, we, we did a show in Orlando a few years ago, and like, there were like Disney princesses, working Disney princesses in the audience. And we were like, asking them, doing crowd work, I guess, about the job. And they were like, we can't tell you.

• 23:38Speaker 03

  Well, I, you know, I assume you don't have younger listeners.

• 23:43Speaker 02

  Certainly not.

• 23:43Speaker 01

  If we do, I'm so nervous.

• 23:45Speaker 02

  Scared.

• 23:46Speaker 01

  Like, the way we talk about like gay sex on this podcast, I just hope that someone is holding their hand through it. I hope you have a good parent.

• 23:53Speaker 03

  Well, we always would say like friends of or friends with.

• 23:58Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, you're friends with Ariel.

• 24:00Speaker 03

  You're friends with Ariel. You're friends with Mickey, or you're friends with whoever it is that you.

• 24:05Speaker 01

  Now, who were you friends with?

• 24:06Speaker 03

  I was friends with Chip and Dale. I was friends with Winnie the Pooh. I was friends with King Louie.

• 24:13Speaker 01

  Stop it.

• 24:13Speaker 03

  From Jungle Book. I was friends with, um.

• 24:16Speaker 02

  That means your friend was in the suit.

• 24:19Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 24:20Speaker 02

  No, I know, I know, I know. But I'm trying not to implicate you too much.

• 24:23Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 24:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:25Speaker 03

  Sorry. Um, I got nervous. Um, I was friends with Cinderella, friends with, um, Sleeping Beauty, and friends with Ariel.

• 24:33Speaker 02

  Wow. Great roster.

• 24:36Speaker 01

  Did your, did, what, did your friend Ariel look stunning in the red wig?

• 24:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, the volume on those bangs, baby.

• 24:43Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 24:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:45Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 24:46Speaker 02

  What do they have you sing? Part of your world, of course?

• 24:48Speaker 03

  Well, no, I just.

• 24:48Speaker 02

  No singing?

• 24:49Speaker 03

  No singing. Just taking pictures.

• 24:51Speaker 02

  Great.

• 24:52Speaker 03

  Specific poses.

• 24:54Speaker 02

  Did you do autograph books at the time?

• 24:55Speaker 03

  Autograph books. They were very popular. Yeah.

• 24:58Speaker 02

  What happened to those?

• 24:59Speaker 03

  Do they not do that anymore?

• 25:00Speaker 01

  I don't think they do. You don't really see them around. I think it's just because selfie culture and the picture culture is probably a thing. Because autograph culture is kind of over.

• 25:07Speaker 03

  It's true.

• 25:08Speaker 02

  Except at Stage Door.

• 25:09Speaker 03

  Except for Stage Door, Playbills, I brought mine. You better sign him.

• 25:12Speaker 02

  Oh my God, of course.

• 25:14Speaker 01

  Do you love, um, well, I, we, I do want to return to Orlando, Orlando queendom. But, um, do you love the Stage Door, or are you kind of like?

• 25:22Speaker 03

  I do. The only time I don't do it is, I usually don't do it after the matinee on a two-show day, because I just stay back and I like order food and I usually take a nap.

• 25:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:32Speaker 03

  Um, but I, I always, I usually do it. Yeah.

• 25:36Speaker 02

  I'm the same. I, I, I was really ambitious my first week. I was like, I'm doing every single one. And then the matinee ones are, and it is sad. It, I, I am like, I, the right thing to do.

• 25:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:47Speaker 02

  Just for everybody is just to like recharge and be okay for the next show.

• 25:51Speaker 03

  Well, because then I think about how much time there is between shows and, um, just if you cut back that finish time from the matinee, then the time, well, and for you especially.

• 26:04Speaker 02

  For, I'm just thinking for everybody. There's not that much time. It's like, you lose like, what?

• 26:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, because you have to eat.

• 26:08Speaker 02

  Forty-five minutes, yep.

• 26:09Speaker 03

  Um, yeah, there's a whole lot. But yeah, I usually do, I do like to do it.

• 26:15Speaker 02

  I like it too. I thought, I was like, and there were some Marys who wouldn't.

• 26:19Speaker 03

  You've been doing fun stuff.

• 26:20Speaker 02

  I've been doing.

• 26:21Speaker 01

  There's a legacy of Marys.

• 26:23Speaker 02

  Doing fun stuff.

• 26:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, so.

• 26:24Speaker 01

  Kind of having shenanigans.

• 26:25Speaker 02

  Meg shook up the place.

• 26:25Speaker 03

  Tell me about the Stage Door legacy. Should we try it at just?

• 26:29Speaker 02

  Do it. You guys should do something. Oh my God, people would flip if you did anything resembling like a Love Island game or whatever. You know what I mean? Like, circle in the square.

• 26:41Speaker 01

  Stage Doors.

• 26:41Speaker 02

  Come on. Hello, Stage Doors. Like, I think, I, I just, everyone just asked me a question, and people don't do it all the time, but there's like, there has to be a group question. Meg would do like, Meg would do like full-on sketches. Like, and then at a certain point, I will reveal, like, the, the theater management had to be like, this is causing a lot of commotion and chaos, and it's just a lot of logistics that have to be like, thought about.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  Because it's a security thing.

• 27:09Speaker 02

  It's a security thing. And then everyone has to get into costume and like, it's, it's, it was, it was a thing. And so then she very, um, regrettably had to stop that. But, um, but no, there's no like, I, I'm just out there and the vibes are good and people are like, I'm sure you get this. People are like, I flew all the way from like.

• 27:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:26Speaker 02

  Like the Philippines to come see you or whatever.

• 27:28Speaker 03

  It's so exciting when someone says it's their first Broadway show.

• 27:30Speaker 02

  So sweet.

• 27:31Speaker 03

  That's the coolest. Because I remember my first.

• 27:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:34Speaker 03

  I think my first was, um, Mamma Mia, in two thousand and six.

• 27:37Speaker 01

  A classic.

• 27:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:39Speaker 02

  Fabulous.

• 27:40Speaker 01

  At the Winter Garden, you knew the theater.

• 27:41Speaker 02

  Of course, that's, that's, that's like, that's New York history.

• 27:44Speaker 01

  That's lore, that's lore.

• 27:45Speaker 02

  That's lore.

• 27:46Speaker 01

  Mine was hairspray.

• 27:48Speaker 02

  Also at the Winter Garden? No.

• 27:50Speaker 01

  Really?

• 27:51Speaker 02

  No, no, no. Never mind, it's something else.

• 27:53Speaker 01

  I mean, I remember the theater being huge. I remember it feeling so big. That was another thing. What's, and then you open your mind up to like how different everything can be. And I just love, like, I just recently went to go see Schoolgirls. It was so phenomenal.

• 28:07Speaker 03

  Okay, great. I want to see it.

• 28:09Speaker 01

  And just like, yeah, like, and there's so much good stuff out there. Obviously, it's like incredibly expensive. So I always add, like advocate for, you know, um, like the TKTS line. And like, you know, the ways that, there's, there are ways in which you can find cheaper tickets.

• 28:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, we used to do Student Rush.

• 28:25Speaker 01

  Same.

• 28:25Speaker 03

  And we used to do, like, um, we saw Spring Awakening right after previews.

• 28:30Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 28:30Speaker 03

  But we camped out outside the theater, it was Neil Simon Theater, for, at like 5:00 AM, we got there. But we got those fucking tickets.

• 28:41Speaker 01

  To see the original cast.

• 28:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:42Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 28:43Speaker 03

  Yeah. And then we staged Door and we got pictures and with everyone and like.

• 28:48Speaker 02

  With Darren?

• 28:49Speaker 03

  No, this was, um, Jonathan Groff.

• 28:51Speaker 01

  Jonathan Groff, Liam and Michelle.

• 28:53Speaker 03

  Liam and Michelle.

• 28:53Speaker 02

  I said, that's what, oh shit, shit, shit.

• 28:55Speaker 01

  Lily Cooper.

• 28:56Speaker 02

  I meant, I meant Groff when I, when I said Darren. He'll forgive me. Yeah, yeah.

• 28:59Speaker 03

  You will.

• 28:59Speaker 02

  But then, beautiful full circle, that, that now you're in just in time.

• 29:02Speaker 03

  Yes, yeah.

• 29:04Speaker 02

  After Groff.

• 29:05Speaker 03

  One, where degrees of separation are, are small.

• 29:08Speaker 01

  I know.

• 29:09Speaker 02

  It's just dwindling, dwindling.

• 29:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:10Speaker 01

  I fear meeting him one day because I had a public crush on him.

• 29:14Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 29:15Speaker 02

  But so, so did a lot of people.

• 29:16Speaker 03

  But that's, I think that's universal.

• 29:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:18Speaker 01

  I think so.

• 29:19Speaker 03

  Who doesn't have a crush on Groff?

• 29:20Speaker 01

  I, I, I mentioned, we were doing Hot Ones versus, and there was one thing where it was like, um, okay, say, say you have a.

• 29:27Speaker 02

  Shoot your shot.

• 29:27Speaker 01

  Say you have a cool, you have a crush on her, eat a death wing. And the wings are really hot. Have you done that?

• 29:32Speaker 03

  No, I've always wanted to. I've never done it.

• 29:35Speaker 01

  Honestly, you know what? You, you and Whitney should do it when she gets in the show.

• 29:38Speaker 03

  That would be fun.

• 29:40Speaker 01

  Oh my God, that would be really good.

• 29:41Speaker 03

  That would be fun.

• 29:42Speaker 01

  So, but like, I was like, I don't want to eat this. I was like, fine, it's Jonathan Groff. And then that week, I was guest hosting the Today Show with Jenna, and she is not someone who can, how do I put this, stop talking about things that like are a bit sensitive. She was like, so Matt has a crush on Jonathan Groff. And I was like, oh my God. And it became like the whole thing.

• 30:03Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 30:04Speaker 02

  National news, literally.

• 30:05Speaker 01

  It became.

• 30:05Speaker 03

  It's the ticker on CNN.

• 30:08Speaker 01

  It's like, there's so many things to talk about that are not this.

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• 36:31Speaker 03

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• 36:32Speaker 02

  Tell us what it's like being in a big old suit, or your friend being in a big old suit, in Florida weather.

• 36:38Speaker 03

  Oh, it depends on the suit, and it depends on where you're placed. So Winnie the Pooh was indoors.

• 36:47Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 36:48Speaker 03

  So that was fab. That was great, except because of the costume, getting punched in the stomach is not rare.

• 36:55Speaker 02

  People do that?

• 36:56Speaker 03

  Children.

• 36:57Speaker 02

  Oh, the kids.

• 36:59Speaker 03

  But most of them are very sweet. Sometimes they just, they get excited and he's got a big.

• 37:05Speaker 01

  And you can't even glare at the parents because you're in the suit. You're just like Winnie the Pooh. I mean, I mean, your friend is.

• 37:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, my friend is. The worst is when you have to be out, when you're outside in Orlando weather. So.

• 37:18Speaker 02

  And even as a Florida girl, it's tough for you.

• 37:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, even as a Florida girl, it's still very, there's one where the head is like very small, or was very small. So it required someone else, like assistance, or like, you know, and it was just a little claustrophobic, I would say. That one was the worst. That's the, the little drunk kitty cat from Pinocchio.

• 37:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait, that's, that's, Gideon's an icon.

• 37:47Speaker 03

  He is an icon.

• 37:48Speaker 02

  He's, but he's drunk?

• 37:50Speaker 03

  He's drunk, apparently. And he has like the long, like the Ariana Grande sleeves.

• 37:54Speaker 02

  So cute.

• 37:56Speaker 01

  Okay, he's actually a vibe I hadn't considered.

• 37:58Speaker 03

  Intense. King Louie feet are very intense.

• 38:01Speaker 01

  King Louie.

• 38:02Speaker 03

  And King Louie arms are very intense, because your arms are this long, but orangutan arms are.

• 38:07Speaker 01

  Right.

• 38:08Speaker 03

  So there's like an extending situation, and it's heavy and.

• 38:13Speaker 01

  So they're not thinking about the person's personal vibe at all. They're just saying, you're, you're King Louie today.

• 38:18Speaker 03

  I mean, yeah, like you have a schedule. There's a schedule.

• 38:23Speaker 02

  But this is when you were in college?

• 38:24Speaker 03

  This is when I was in college, yeah.

• 38:26Speaker 02

  You're at the tender age of like 19, 20.

• 38:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I was like, it was so exciting to be part of something that was so big, like so much bigger than any one person can ever be.

• 38:35Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 38:36Speaker 03

  Because if you are hanging out with Cinderella.

• 38:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 38:40Speaker 03

  Cinderella's bigger than Beyonce.

• 38:42Speaker 01

  Yes, she is.

• 38:43Speaker 03

  She's multi-generational.

• 38:45Speaker 01

  In that environment, yeah. Cinderella was a one-name queen before Beyonce. That's actually a culture number 55. Cinderella was a one-name queen before Beyonce, mononymously known as Cinderella.

• 38:58Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, what's, because, well, Ariel also doesn't have a, Ariel, no, Triton?

• 39:02Speaker 01

  Uh, St. George.

• 39:03Speaker 02

  Ariel St. George.

• 39:04Speaker 01

  Her last name is St. George. Yeah. Ariel St. George. Princess Ariel St. George.

• 39:10Speaker 02

  Between the three girls that you were friends with, who was the best friend?

• 39:17Speaker 03

  Uh, Aurora, Sleeping Beauty was the best friend.

• 39:19Speaker 02

  Period.

• 39:20Speaker 01

  She has such, like, she, she does not have to get the credit.

• 39:24Speaker 03

  She really doesn't. She's so underrated. I find her ethereal.

• 39:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:28Speaker 03

  Her just singing through the woods, ugh, love her.

• 39:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:31Speaker 02

  Something about, and I, and I will say, and this is not a knock on Aurora, she spends half the movie asleep. And we still love her, still iconic. Doesn't have to be an active protagonist at all.

• 39:43Speaker 01

  And she has the best.

• 39:44Speaker 03

  That's kind of the way to go.

• 39:45Speaker 02

  Kind of the way to go.

• 39:46Speaker 01

  She has the best enemy, Maleficent.

• 39:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, Maleficent is iconic.

• 39:52Speaker 01

  Maleficent, a queen.

• 39:54Speaker 03

  Literally, and also a dragon.

• 39:56Speaker 02

  And also a dragon.

• 39:57Speaker 01

  She's a queen, she's a dragon, she is the moment.

• 40:00Speaker 02

  Now, come on now.

• 40:01Speaker 01

  She's getting a roller coaster too, do you hear about that?

• 40:03Speaker 03

  Is she?

• 40:04Speaker 01

  They're adding Villainsland to

• 40:06Speaker 02

  Oh, yes.

• 40:07Speaker 01

  To the Magic Kingdom.

• 40:08Speaker 03

  But what are they taking over to make that?

• 40:10Speaker 01

  So they've taken out, wow, this is big Orlando news, I can't believe I'm breaking this.

• 40:15Speaker 03

  I'm scared about what you're about to say.

• 40:17Speaker 01

  They're taking out all of the rivers of America. They are replacing it with cars. It's called Ridge Run Rally, I think, it's like a cars attraction that is like a national park to try to keep the vibe. And behind that and Big Thunder is Villainsland, which is going to be, basically, it's, I think the theme is like someone cast an evil wish in a wishing well and it like broke open like, like a zone for all of the Disney villains and there are two attractions. There is one Maleficent roller coaster.

• 40:50Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 40:50Speaker 01

  Which apparently is gonna be more intense than they've tried.

• 40:54Speaker 02

  That's cool.

• 40:55Speaker 01

  And there's going to be a Magic Mirror Dark Ride, like, like where you go through the portals in the realm of the Magic Mirror and you like have interactions with all the Disney villains.

• 41:05Speaker 03

  That's pretty cool.

• 41:06Speaker 01

  I think it's, I think it's kind of giving.

• 41:08Speaker 03

  I guess I just get so annoyed when they take out old things.

• 41:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:13Speaker 03

  Which I understand to keep up with the times and the new movies and the things, I get it. But I heard, I know that they took out Toon Town.

• 41:22Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 41:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:24Speaker 01

  Toon Town is, you can still see it in Disneyland.

• 41:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, I just miss when we were kids, we could go to, you could go to Mickey's house.

• 41:31Speaker 01

  I know.

• 41:32Speaker 03

  And you could walk around Mickey's house and I thought that was the coolest thing ever.

• 41:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 41:36Speaker 03

  Um.

• 41:37Speaker 01

  I've been to Mickey's house too.

• 41:38Speaker 03

  They're not taking out Big Thunder, are they?

• 41:40Speaker 02

  No.

• 41:41Speaker 01

  Big Thunder stands, in fact, it just got a reffer.

• 41:43Speaker 03

  Like ride as a kid.

• 41:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was the one.

• 41:46Speaker 03

  That was the one, I still love it.

• 41:48Speaker 02

  It still hits.

• 41:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:49Speaker 01

  It definitely hits.

• 41:50Speaker 02

  In adulthood, wait, you and Daniel have gone, obviously, together.

• 41:53Speaker 03

  He's not, we've not been to Disney World or in Orlando, or actually, or Disneyland, we've been to Universal together.

• 41:59Speaker 02

  Okay, fab.

• 42:00Speaker 03

  For Halloween Hornets.

• 42:01Speaker 02

  Your company woman?

• 42:03Speaker 03

  I'm in the company.

• 42:04Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 42:05Speaker 03

  I'm in the company.

• 42:05Speaker 01

  We all, like, NBCU has been good to us.

• 42:08Speaker 03

  NBCU.

• 42:10Speaker 01

  They rolled out that F Y C for you and they got you the nom.

• 42:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, hey.

• 42:14Speaker 01

  Well, you got yourself the nom. Hey, minions.

• 42:16Speaker 03

  Hey.

• 42:17Speaker 01

  Um, how did, how did that feel getting the Emmy nomination?

• 42:19Speaker 03

  Oh, my God, that was crazy.

• 42:21Speaker 01

  Did you expect it?

• 42:22Speaker 03

  No, I thought if anything, the show would get.

• 42:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:25Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 42:25Speaker 03

  But, you know, it's, it's tough, you know, it's not easy to get the F Y C off the ground.

• 42:31Speaker 01

  Right, yeah.

• 42:32Speaker 03

  So, you know, you kind of, there's a lot of people that need to be convinced to like, want to spend money on a billboard or on to even, so the, like, to convince them of the merits of the show.

• 42:43Speaker 02

  Truly.

• 42:44Speaker 03

  So, you know, that took some time to get that there and then once that happened and once that nomination happened, I just thought like, oh, I, I thought the show was gonna get it, but I just thought like, guys, look, see, like, if we tell them

• 42:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:58Speaker 03

  That about what we're doing here, people might vote, you know, so.

• 43:02Speaker 02

  I just will say that I do tune into Love Island for you.

• 43:07Speaker 03

  Thanks.

• 43:07Speaker 02

  I really do.

• 43:08Speaker 01

  And the thing is, you, you walking is a moment in culture. It, no, it's a moment in culture.

• 43:13Speaker 02

  It's television history, which is, the shots of you walking are really important too.

• 43:17Speaker 01

  Walking, glancing.

• 43:19Speaker 02

  The medium of television, truly.

• 43:21Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 43:21Speaker 01

  How many takes do you get?

• 43:23Speaker 03

  We do like six different angles.

• 43:25Speaker 02

  Fab.

• 43:26Speaker 03

  So we do, you know, close up, wide, close up, wide.

• 43:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 43:34Speaker 03

  Side.

• 43:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:35Speaker 03

  And then we usually do like, um, yeah, like, there's, there's like six different.

• 43:40Speaker 01

  Some sort of fun new angle.

• 43:41Speaker 03

  There's a shot list.

• 43:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is a shot list.

• 43:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm like, my nails are really cool, let's get like a detail.

• 43:46Speaker 01

  Yes, yes, yes, get the detail shot on nails, something like that.

• 43:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, like a, in slow mo, looks great, because it's just.

• 43:54Speaker 01

  You've also mastered, you've, you've mastered how to do, because it is like, it's a thing where it's like, especially, like, because obviously you started doing like, you know, musical theater and obviously like, you did a bit of like sketch comedy back in the day.

• 44:07Speaker 03

  Sketch comedy.

• 44:08Speaker 01

  You even took it seriously.

• 44:09Speaker 03

  Absolutely, I did.

• 44:11Speaker 01

  Um, but, but like also all that stuff, but it's still, you've mastered how to play that walk where it's like, there's like a touch of camp to it, but it's also in the tone and you know what it is, but it's so hard facially because the one little thing, you could be giving too much and the wor, a fate worse than death would be to be caught giving too much.

• 44:32Speaker 03

  In a slow mo?

• 44:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:33Speaker 02

  In a slow mo.

• 44:34Speaker 03

  With like a one eye.

• 44:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:36Speaker 03

  Well, you know what taught me that is the slow mo intros for Vanderpump.

• 44:39Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 44:40Speaker 03

  Because those are actually shot super, super fast.

• 44:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, with a drone, right?

• 44:45Speaker 03

  No, well, with a drone was the later season, but earlier it would be almost like a glam bot.

• 44:50Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 44:50Speaker 03

  Where the camera moves super fast and you have to go, one, two, three, go.

• 44:54Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, the more the throwings.

• 44:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, so then it was like, you know, they would have two or three people in the shot and they had to make sure no one's blinking because if one person's blinking, it goes so fast that you're just, your eyes are actually closed or, you know, there, you're, like, it's actually, there's no time, you're just hair in face.

• 45:14Speaker 01

  It's like the producers decide that one person they don't like that, you're like, oh, sorry, this was our best take.

• 45:19Speaker 03

  No, sometimes you're like, guys, that was, there's no way that was my best take.

• 45:26Speaker 01

  That was fucking shady as hell.

• 45:28Speaker 03

  I see you.

• 45:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:29Speaker 03

  And I, yeah.

• 45:31Speaker 01

  I see you every day, in fact.

• 45:33Speaker 03

  And I know what you've done.

• 45:34Speaker 02

  I know what you've done. I will say, I do, I do take it personally when, when they, especially for those, what do you call them? Like the, the beautiful walks?

• 45:43Speaker 01

  Like, uh.

• 45:44Speaker 02

  What do they call those? What's the term? There's like a professional term for like when you.

• 45:47Speaker 01

  Beauty, it's not like a beauty walk. What do they call it in the shot list?

• 45:51Speaker 03

  Uh, we call it, um.

• 45:53Speaker 02

  For promo, let's say.

• 45:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, like key art or like.

• 45:57Speaker 02

  But like, just like the, the, the footage, like the slow mo footage of like a walk, like, we've done it a couple of times for Culture Awards and

• 46:02Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 46:02Speaker 02

  It's the thing that gives me the most, speaking of beta blockers, I should take one before those, because I.

• 46:07Speaker 01

  I do notice that you get stressed out at that stuff, yeah.

• 46:09Speaker 02

  I spin out at anything that has to do with like looking sexy and cute and glamorous, I'm like.

• 46:14Speaker 03

  Well, because looking sexy face is so hard.

• 46:19Speaker 02

  One wrong move and you're toast.

• 46:21Speaker 03

  Toast.

• 46:21Speaker 02

  Which is why I think you've, yes, you have mastered this and that is commendable and that is like Emmy worthy to me.

• 46:28Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 46:29Speaker 02

  And, and, and I do, I've known this for a long time, but just like, you really do, like, you've had all sectors of entertainment in the most meaningful way, down to being in a fucking Winnie the Pooh suit. You've done it all.

• 46:40Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 46:41Speaker 02

  Like, when you say, like, I think you should.

• 46:42Speaker 03

  No, it's, it's crazy. I think the, the variety of things on my resume is kind of wild. But it's one of those things that started as, you know, when you start out, you know, you, oh, when you're a kid, you want to be on stage or you want to be in movies or whatever it is, like, we all had our big dreams. And then you go, okay, I know no one, I have no money and what, now what? How do you, okay, I'll go to school for it and then you go to school and then you go, okay, well, now what?

• 47:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:11Speaker 03

  So then you just start doing all these other random things.

• 47:14Speaker 01

  You take opportunities.

• 47:15Speaker 03

  You take opportunities and Sarah Schneider.

• 47:18Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 47:18Speaker 03

  Love, my dear, she, I remember one time we were shooting a College Humor video and she was, I was talking about something I had done and she said, you have had, and this was maybe 20 years ago.

• 47:30Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 47:30Speaker 03

  She said, you've had more jobs than anyone I've ever known. Every time I talk to you, there's, there was a new, different job. Because it's just, you take what's there so you can pay the bills.

• 47:40Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 47:40Speaker 03

  And then that ends up becoming a thing that somehow leads to another thing, that leads to another very like odd job.

• 47:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:47Speaker 03

  So it's crazy how all of the odd jobs and all of those things have added up into, you know, something bigger.

• 47:56Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 47:56Speaker 03

  Like dropped into what is now created.

• 47:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:59Speaker 03

  What, I guess what is my career, whatever.

• 48:02Speaker 01

  Well, it's like, and I remember thinking, because we went, when we were in college, like, our friend Rachel Bloom, like, kind of popped off with a comedy music video called Fuck Me Ray Bradbury. And so it kind of felt like, oh, that's gonna be the thing, let's make a comedy music video. And then you realize like, no, just because that was it for her does not mean it's gonna be it for you. I think what ended up being our thing was a podcast and it was never something I was gonna guess.

• 48:26Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 48:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:28Speaker 01

  You probably never would have guessed reality.

• 48:29Speaker 03

  No, I never, never. And I, I mean, the thing is, is like, when it starts to be, well, you know what, I never would have thought it, I never would have thought it was gonna be my survival job, which was bartending.

• 48:39Speaker 01

  Well, yes, and then that becomes the reality show.

• 48:41Speaker 03

  Exactly, like, I never would have thought that because I just learned how to do that because I was broke in New York trying to do something that was taking, you know, with no connections, like trying to.

• 48:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:53Speaker 03

  Do whatever and so.

• 48:55Speaker 01

  And you make money doing it, real money.

• 48:56Speaker 03

  You make real money and all of a sudden, now I can actually pay my rent.

• 48:59Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 48:59Speaker 03

  And oh, if I want to take that dance class at Broadway Dance, I don't have to work the, ask to volunteer at the front desk to get a free class credit.

• 49:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:07Speaker 03

  I can actually afford the class.

• 49:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:09Speaker 03

  So then it becomes like this thing and then for bartending to then become the show, for then that to become the thing, to then that lead back almost like completely back around.

• 49:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:19Speaker 03

  It's crazy, my next job, I want to go back to Disney.

• 49:21Speaker 01

  Let's go.

• 49:22Speaker 02

  Let's go.

• 49:22Speaker 03

  Really take it all the way back.

• 49:24Speaker 01

  Well, now they're looking for a new evil queen, I think.

• 49:26Speaker 03

  Hey, hey, yeah.

• 49:28Speaker 01

  A dragon, perhaps.

• 49:30Speaker 03

  Wait, you know when they do like the videos of the, do they still do the videos before the rides?

• 49:33Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 49:34Speaker 01

  Of course, my dream is to host one. Well, and now we'll ask you this question, but so much of the culture that made me say culture was for me, were walking into those attractions and watching the story play out with like real actors that I recognized, like Felicia Rashad in the Countdown to Extinction ride, which then became Dinosaur, like, to this day, like, Glenn Close is in the Guardians of the Galaxy Cosmic Rewind ride, like, that, those were times when I was like, wow, these are people creating a real experience for me to enjoy and then you literally live it or survive whatever it is happening and you move on to the next building where it's something else. I thought that was so cool.

• 50:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, so cool.

• 50:14Speaker 01

  And you were a part of like creating that for, you know, young people who are literally wrapping their minds around the idea of their own imagination.

• 50:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, wow. That's, the way you just put that is incredible.

• 50:26Speaker 01

  I think it's like more, and people like to dog people that still, you know, want to be in touch with that part of themselves, but I don't think it's something that we should lose.

• 50:34Speaker 02

  No.

• 50:34Speaker 03

  I don't think you should ever lose.

• 50:36Speaker 01

  No.

• 50:36Speaker 03

  Never lose your sense of wonder.

• 50:40Speaker 01

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• 50:41Speaker 02

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• 54:47Speaker 01

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• 55:24Speaker 02

  Speaking of wonder, let's ask Ariana the question.

• 55:26Speaker 01

  Yes, Ariana Madix. What was the culture that made you say culture was for you?

• 55:31Speaker 03

  It was Nick at Night.

• 55:32Speaker 01

  Come on!

• 55:34Speaker 03

  It was Nick at Night, the lineup with I Love Lucy, I Dream of Genie, Bewitched.

• 55:39Speaker 02

  Something you'll never, will never get it back. Isn't that so sad?

• 55:41Speaker 03

  It's so sad. To this day, I will be, I follow I Love Lucy now on TikTok.

• 55:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:47Speaker 03

  And I will be cackling.

• 55:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:50Speaker 03

  Clips of I Love Lucy, even today, before I came here.

• 55:53Speaker 01

  You did.

• 55:53Speaker 03

  That was, these, those were the things that I think also exposed me as a kid to a time that, it was my grandmother's time, it was my mom's childhood. And everything moves so fast now that I just, we don't, kids, kids these days, they don't get exposed to that, that stuff anymore.

• 56:13Speaker 01

  The children have forgotten because the children never learned.

• 56:14Speaker 03

  I mean, where would we be without the Bewitched nose twitch?

• 56:16Speaker 01

  No.

• 56:17Speaker 03

  Or, you know, I Dream of Genie, like, in Cape Canaveral, Florida, shout out.

• 56:22Speaker 01

  Let's go.

• 56:23Speaker 03

  Like, where would we be without that? That, to me, like, made me want to be a part of things. The way that every single generation of my family cackled.

• 56:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:35Speaker 03

  Watching something like I Love Lucy.

• 56:37Speaker 02

  Yep. Or across, like, cultures. Like, I remember, like, being, like, in this woman's basement. She, her name was Bernice. She, she was the...

• 56:46Speaker 01

  St. George.

• 56:47Speaker 02

  St. George. She was the pastor for all of the Chinese people in, like, suburban Colorado. And I would just, like, hang out with the kids downstairs. And then some adults would join. We would just watch I Love Lucy marathons on Nick at Night.

• 56:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:00Speaker 02

  For, like, hours. And we'd be like, this is hilarious.

• 57:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:03Speaker 02

  Like, transcending language. Nick at Night is so major. And for me, moving from Canada to the US, not really learning, knowing that much about English or American culture, like, we just had on Nick at Night at the hotel while we were looking for houses in Colorado. And we were just, we would watch I Dream of Genie and Bewitched.

• 57:23Speaker 03

  Bewitched, yeah.

• 57:23Speaker 02

  And it was just a way to, like, learn about, like, oh, these are, like, the values. This is, these are, like, the customs of America.

• 57:30Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 57:30Speaker 02

  For, you know, and all their weird eccentricities. But like, it was, it's educational.

• 57:36Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's really, it feels like a time capsule now.

• 57:39Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 57:40Speaker 03

  But, yeah, I've never, I still, like, I can't even imagine what you were saying about how we're losing all of these things. The physical media is going away. And, you know, the books are being chopped up and things. But we're losing these things.

• 57:57Speaker 01

  And now you know what's, you know what's probably next? Is probably you're gonna flip open your phone and, like, maybe someone would, like, AI, like, a fake, you know, like, I Love Lucy episode that doesn't even exist. Like, and you would never be able, or people would never be able to tell the difference because they don't know, like, the educational, like, value that these things actually have. That's, this, it's like sitcom, the birth of the sitcom. I mean, these things, like...

• 58:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, and Lucy was the first person to really show pregnancy on television. She was, I mean, she was such a pioneer for women in television, or for television in general, and interracial relationship on television. That was, like, not being seen at the time.

• 58:38Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 58:38Speaker 03

  And, you know, she's, like, really pushed the culture forward in that regard. And so I hope we don't lose these things.

• 58:46Speaker 01

  I, I think that, like, well, honestly, all we can do is, like, keep mentioning them and speaking them into people's minds because, and literally, this is so funny you say that because about a month ago, I was on a flight and the woman next to me was watching the episode of Lucy where Lucy and Ethel are working at the chocolate factory.

• 59:04Speaker 03

  Oh, my God, a classic.

• 59:06Speaker 01

  And I was like, my God, Vivian Vance and Lucille Ball are just, like, so incredible. And they were so, they were, their dynamic was so funny. The way that it was really, like, one take, you know?

• 59:19Speaker 03

  And the thing, it just keeps going. And then they're in the shirt, in the mouth.

• 59:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you also forget, the next scene, they're so sick. Like, like, there's so many, and also Vita Vita Vegemite.

• 59:28Speaker 02

  Vita Vita Vegemite, and the grape-stomping episode!

• 59:32Speaker 03

  The grape-stomping!

• 59:33Speaker 01

  And what was, what was so funny about it was, I was like, I had the urge to, like, tap this woman on the shoulder. And I don't know, but I did it.

• 59:40Speaker 02

  Hey, can I listen?

• 59:41Speaker 01

  But I was kind of like, I was kind of like, I kind of want her to know that I am appreciating what she's watching, and I know it too, because there is something about the lack of monoculture that makes you feel less connected to people. You know what I mean? And so I felt connected to her even watching her watch it. Isn't that odd? I was kind of just like, wow, like, that she could watch anything on that Delta menu, and she picked this, is like, to me, I was like, you're a good person.

• 1:00:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, you get it.

• 1:00:13Speaker 01

  You get it.

• 1:00:14Speaker 02

  Are, are, like, flight option, are, are, like, entertainment options on flights, like, one of the last frontiers we have to, like, unite the culture?

• 1:00:24Speaker 01

  Honestly.

• 1:00:25Speaker 03

  Well, remember, remember when they used to drop the screen down and everyone had to watch the same movie?

• 1:00:30Speaker 02

  Same thing at the same time. Crazy.

• 1:00:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's how I watched Mission Impossible 2.

• 1:00:35Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:00:35Speaker 01

  Starring Tandy Wayne Newton.

• 1:00:37Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:00:38Speaker 01

  I have known who Tandy Wayne Newton is since I, since that American flight. Because we all had to watch it.

• 1:00:43Speaker 02

  Because you had to watch it.

• 1:00:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, you had to. It was, that was the movie.

• 1:00:46Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:00:47Speaker 01

  And Tom Cruise was the star.

• 1:00:48Speaker 03

  There's no headphones, they're just playing it.

• 1:00:50Speaker 02

  They're just playing it, yeah! They're playing it. And then the last TV show that I feel like, you know, jumped to syndication, and then, and then after that was on flights, to me, for me, and my memory, was 30 Rock. Like, 30 Rock episodes on a United flight for everyone to watch. I'm like, this is, and like, can you think of a show? Maybe like adults right now?

• 1:01:10Speaker 01

  I don't know why, because also, everything is so politically polarized. And that, that trickles down to culture.

• 1:01:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:16Speaker 01

  So people have this, like, for example, like, even like when I'll mention SNL to my relatives who are like, you know, I have a couple who are like hardcore Trumpers. I can see them like start to frown. And they're like, well, you know, we love your friend, but we really don't watch that.

• 1:01:34Speaker 02

  Well, at least they love me.

• 1:01:36Speaker 01

  They always love you.

• 1:01:37Speaker 02

  That's apolitical.

• 1:01:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:38Speaker 02

  Loving me is apolitical.

• 1:01:39Speaker 03

  Loving Bo Nang is apolitical.

• 1:01:40Speaker 01

  That's actually roller culture number 10.

• 1:01:43Speaker 02

  Loving Bo Nang is apolitical.

• 1:01:45Speaker 01

  But it is, and I feel like even, even something with someone like Tina Fey is gonna make some people be like wrinkle their nose up.

• 1:01:51Speaker 03

  They bristle at the libs, man.

• 1:01:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. And it then becomes a whole thing where, and I do feel like it's, it's interesting with pop culture right now because I have always said that in times of political hopelessness, when people feel like they try as hard as they can, but they can't be heard, or they can't make a change, or their material situation does not change. Financially, things get worse and worse. I feel like what you do is you lash out at things that are more tangible to you, or where you know someone will hear you, the things that are more frivolous. And suddenly, in order to make a change, you end up lashing out at this thing that was really merely there to entertain you, or just

• 1:02:34Speaker 01

  an option even, because we are so, it feels futile to actually do something about the man who just said that we should bomb Los, that Iran should bomb Los Angeles. You know, and San Diego. You know what I mean? Like, when that is staring us in the face, you're just like, God, I hate Kada. You just go on your phone, you're like, ah.

• 1:02:56Speaker 03

  They just go into, yeah.

• 1:02:57Speaker 01

  You know? It's sort of like, yeah.

• 1:03:00Speaker 03

  The other thing innocuous, or like you said, things that are meant to entertain or bring people together become the punching bag.

• 1:03:05Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:03:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. Which is, I'm sure you know.

• 1:03:10Speaker 03

  Oh, I know.

• 1:03:10Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:03:12Speaker 02

  We all know to varying degrees, but you, I think, in a very particular and intense, acute way. But yeah, it's like, to go back to like I Love Lucy and Nick at Night, it's like, there was a block of entertainment that like could reliably be shared.

• 1:03:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, truly shared, yeah.

• 1:03:28Speaker 02

  And now it's like, well.

• 1:03:29Speaker 01

  But that being said, you're right. They did get heat for showing that she was pregnant.

• 1:03:35Speaker 03

  Yes, they did.

• 1:03:35Speaker 01

  For using the word.

• 1:03:36Speaker 03

  Yes, they did. Yeah, the word itself was like, mm-mm. They had to say, what was it? Uh, expecting.

• 1:03:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, expecting.

• 1:03:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, and she.

• 1:03:45Speaker 01

  Is that where expecting was born?

• 1:03:47Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 1:03:48Speaker 01

  I don't know. That might be a fun cultural excavation, like, she's expecting.

• 1:03:52Speaker 02

  I Love Lucy invented the term expecting.

• 1:03:54Speaker 01

  Well, it's like when you find out that a phrase like actually was created in like a very bizarre way.

• 1:04:00Speaker 02

  Specific way.

• 1:04:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, that you would never think.

• 1:04:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:02Speaker 01

  I, I'm not saying that's what that is. I'm just conjecturing that it could be, because it does sound like a way to say not pregnant.

• 1:04:08Speaker 03

  The euphemism to, yeah, to say like, oh, like the stork.

• 1:04:13Speaker 01

  The stork.

• 1:04:14Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 1:04:15Speaker 01

  God, remember, people really, some fools really were too old to be believing the stork. It's like, it's like, I'll give you Santa, because people are working overtime to make you believe. The stork is like, bitch, you didn't get brought here by a, by a bird.

• 1:04:29Speaker 03

  But Dumbo.

• 1:04:30Speaker 02

  But Dumbo.

• 1:04:31Speaker 01

  But what? Were you friends with him too? Were you friends? Is that your friend? But Dumbo.

• 1:04:39Speaker 02

  Dumbo.

• 1:04:40Speaker 01

  Dumbo is so sad.

• 1:04:42Speaker 03

  So sad.

• 1:04:43Speaker 01

  Don't even get me started about Bambi.

• 1:04:45Speaker 02

  Ever made.

• 1:04:45Speaker 03

  That's a sad, sad movie.

• 1:04:47Speaker 02

  I refuse to watch it.

• 1:04:49Speaker 03

  It's quick.

• 1:04:50Speaker 01

  They're all quick.

• 1:04:51Speaker 03

  They're, they're actually so short.

• 1:04:53Speaker 01

  Lion King, 15 minutes.

• 1:04:55Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's like a one episode of Game of Thrones.

• 1:04:58Speaker 01

  Literally.

• 1:05:01Speaker 02

  Literally.

• 1:05:02Speaker 01

  Honestly, like, it's, it's, it's, well, also, do you remember, just speaking about Nick at Night, like, I don't know what, if you were watching at this point, but they decided that, like, things from the 70s were now old.

• 1:05:16Speaker 03

  I do remember this.

• 1:05:17Speaker 01

  Three's Company.

• 1:05:17Speaker 03

  Yes, and that's when it all went to shit. Because while I appreciate Three's Company.

• 1:05:23Speaker 01

  I appreciate Three's Company too.

• 1:05:25Speaker 03

  Trust me. There's a time and a place.

• 1:05:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:05:27Speaker 03

  And Nick at Night, it's like when the, when the oldies radio station starts playing stuff from.

• 1:05:33Speaker 01

  Britney Spears. I know. I can't believe it.

• 1:05:36Speaker 03

  This is meant for Motown.

• 1:05:37Speaker 01

  I know, literally.

• 1:05:39Speaker 02

  Thank God.

• 1:05:40Speaker 01

  Literally, 103.1.

• 1:05:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, what are you doing? Yeah.

• 1:05:44Speaker 01

  I, I forget what it was called, but it was like, it was where you could reliably go to hear like Gladys Knight.

• 1:05:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, The Temptations.

• 1:05:51Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:05:52Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:05:52Speaker 01

  And then they started playing like, I Wanted That Way. How did you know I was gonna say that, girl?

• 1:05:58Speaker 03

  You knew it.

• 1:05:59Speaker 02

  Girl. But, I mean, we're, we're, we're, I guess we're fully developed adults. Developed, you expecting, like, what, who am I? But you know what I mean?

• 1:06:08Speaker 01

  Cooked.

• 1:06:09Speaker 02

  Cooked, I'm cooked. We're fully cooked.

• 1:06:11Speaker 01

  You know, the thing is, like, I, I feel bad for the people that don't know it even exists. And they used to have an I Love Lucy tribute attraction at, at Universal Studios Florida in Orlando.

• 1:06:23Speaker 03

  Oh, right.

• 1:06:24Speaker 01

  And I wish that, I wish that Universal Studios would consider going back a little bit to like the BTS and behind the scenes and sort of like tributey things.

• 1:06:35Speaker 02

  The original Valley proposition.

• 1:06:35Speaker 01

  Well, because it's now, it's like, you know, not to shade my girls, but it's a lot of minions. And they used to have like.

• 1:06:43Speaker 03

  It's a lot of minions.

• 1:06:44Speaker 01

  It's a lot of minions. There's two, like minions attractions. They're in a whole minions land. And obviously, the minions have worked hard too, and they've earned that.

• 1:06:51Speaker 03

  They have earned.

• 1:06:52Speaker 01

  And they have a very difficult boss.

• 1:06:54Speaker 03

  They do.

• 1:06:54Speaker 01

  And they work in an abusive, toxic atmosphere.

• 1:06:57Speaker 03

  It's giving factory.

• 1:06:59Speaker 01

  It's giving factory, it's giving, it's sort of giving, you know, indentured.

• 1:07:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, yes.

• 1:07:05Speaker 01

  Like, I feel like, what, what's the, how do they get out of their situation?

• 1:07:09Speaker 02

  No, there, there needs to be.

• 1:07:10Speaker 03

  They need to unionize.

• 1:07:11Speaker 02

  Exactly, that's what we're saying.

• 1:07:12Speaker 03

  But, you know.

• 1:07:13Speaker 01

  But who's gonna be their voice? All they can say is banana.

• 1:07:16Speaker 03

  Facts.

• 1:07:17Speaker 01

  Facts. Well, you remember, remember, um, they used to have like a Hitchcock attraction.

• 1:07:24Speaker 03

  I do remember the Hitchcock attraction.

• 1:07:25Speaker 01

  There used to be like this amazing Alfred Hitchcock thing. Where like someone from the audience could be, um, uh, Miss Mala from Psycho. Yeah, Janet Leigh.

• 1:07:33Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:07:33Speaker 01

  And you could do that part, and they would show you like.

• 1:07:36Speaker 02

  I remember this.

• 1:07:37Speaker 01

  This is what we use to make blood.

• 1:07:38Speaker 03

  Thing, yeah, yeah.

• 1:07:40Speaker 01

  But the elements of showing BTS, like, like the studio tour and, and Universal Studios Hollywood, it's never going anywhere, and it shouldn't.

• 1:07:48Speaker 03

  There, yeah, they still, I love the studio tour.

• 1:07:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, I always go.

• 1:07:52Speaker 03

  I think it's the coolest thing.

• 1:07:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, but they should lean into that more.

• 1:07:55Speaker 03

  They should, because I always find, even with shooting a show like Love Island, or being on stage, I find the BTS of things.

• 1:08:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:04Speaker 03

  So much more fascinating sometimes than even what's being, like, what the actual product is.

• 1:08:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:10Speaker 03

  Because it's a world that so many people don't get into.

• 1:08:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:14Speaker 03

  So without someone showing you like the tour, or giving you the info, they're never gonna know.

• 1:08:19Speaker 02

  How are you meant to know?

• 1:08:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's like a secret world, almost.

• 1:08:22Speaker 01

  Did you ever see, um, maybe Happy Ending?

• 1:08:24Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:08:25Speaker 01

  I got to go back, Darren invited us back after, after that show, and we like, the stage manager like walked us around the back, and that was such a, that is such a cool set.

• 1:08:36Speaker 03

  Super cool set.

• 1:08:37Speaker 01

  And even doing, I've gone backstage, obviously, every time for Oh, Mary, and even being back there and seeing like the little area where there's, where, you know, there's the quick changes. You're like, oh my God, that's where the dressing room is?

• 1:08:48Speaker 03

  Yes, well, I met, um, Bianca.

• 1:08:51Speaker 02

  Oh, fabulous.

• 1:08:52Speaker 01

  Bianca Lee, the legend.

• 1:08:53Speaker 03

  At the Broadway Flea. She's so amazing. And she was telling me that you guys have to get into your hoop skirts on the side.

• 1:09:01Speaker 02

  On the side, yeah, we can't, we, we, we, we all, yeah. Our place is called, it's so heavy, it's like 12 pounds.

• 1:09:07Speaker 03

  Which is crazy, because it's like, that's a piece of information I found so interesting that I never would have thought. We got into it because we were talking about how freezing cold both of our theaters are.

• 1:09:15Speaker 01

  Oh, is it cold?

• 1:09:17Speaker 03

  It's so cold at the Circle and Square.

• 1:09:19Speaker 02

  But then the body heat of the audience kind of like sets it.

• 1:09:22Speaker 03

  It helps. If it's a packed house, I think it evens out, for sure. But it can be frigid. And so I'm saying, you know, like, I'll be in my dressing room, well, I have most of act two to sit.

• 1:09:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're chilling.

• 1:09:34Speaker 03

  So I have, you know, like a heated blanket that I sit in, and then when I have to get dressed for eulogies, I'm like, no! Because it's just, and then I become so cold.

• 1:09:45Speaker 01

  Spoiler alert.

• 1:09:46Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:09:48Speaker 01

  There is some death in the show.

• 1:09:49Speaker 03

  There is, yeah, I'm so sorry to mention.

• 1:09:51Speaker 01

  But don't worry, that's just, that's also just pop culture history.

• 1:09:53Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:09:54Speaker 01

  So educate yourself. Watch some Nick at Night, why don't you? I loved Bobby Darin back then.

• 1:10:00Speaker 03

  It is really funny sometimes because we, we know the story of Bobby Darin and his amazing, like, roller coaster of a life.

• 1:10:07Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 1:10:08Speaker 03

  And in the beginning of the show, obviously, it's mentioned.

• 1:10:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:11Speaker 03

  What, his life, and how it all comes together. But it is kind of, it is a little interesting how sometimes, you know, at the end of the show, during eulogies, when he does inevitably pass.

• 1:10:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:23Speaker 03

  There will be sometimes gasps in the audience. And it's also a moment where.

• 1:10:28Speaker 01

  We told you about 90 minutes ago.

• 1:10:29Speaker 03

  It's also a very like serious moment. And sometimes, there was one, once where someone said, oh, God.

• 1:10:38Speaker 03

  And I had to like really bite the inside of my cheek.

• 1:10:41Speaker 01

  Especially because like in Circle and the Square, one of the things I love about it is that the actors come right next to you.

• 1:10:47Speaker 03

  We're in the audience, yes.

• 1:10:49Speaker 01

  You're standing literally right there, and I'm like, oh, God! And you're like, um, you're like literally sort of still trying to like serve the show.

• 1:10:56Speaker 03

  Every love song I've ever sung.

• 1:10:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:59Speaker 02

  Oh, God. Someone, someone did, I forgot what part of Oh, Mary, but someone, there was a woman who went, what?

• 1:11:07Speaker 02

  I love that. I personally love it.

• 1:11:09Speaker 03

  I love.

• 1:11:09Speaker 02

  I love a what?

• 1:11:10Speaker 01

  I love a what?

• 1:11:11Speaker 02

  But, I mean, what?

• 1:11:13Speaker 01

  It was Keenan Thompson.

• 1:11:14Speaker 03

  I like it, it was like a.

• 1:11:16Speaker 02

  A really clipped what? But, you know, what was I gonna say? Oh, wait, I think, I think they're gonna someday do like a retrospective on college humor sketches. You think?

• 1:11:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I, that would be fun.

• 1:11:31Speaker 02

  I think, I think that's gonna age quite well.

• 1:11:33Speaker 03

  I wonder, I'm like, is there some sort of, I don't think so. Like, I'm like, is there some sort of like underlying drama that I was not privy to?

• 1:11:41Speaker 01

  At college humor?

• 1:11:42Speaker 02

  At college humor, yes. I think yes, there was.

• 1:11:44Speaker 03

  Well, I remember with like the, the ending of the.

• 1:11:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:47Speaker 03

  The corporate stuff of it all.

• 1:11:49Speaker 02

  Yes. That's what like spelled doom ultimately.

• 1:11:52Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:11:53Speaker 02

  I think SNL plucked it like Sarah and Streeter.

• 1:11:56Speaker 03

  Streeter, yeah.

• 1:11:57Speaker 02

  I love that you know Streeter.

• 1:11:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:59Speaker 02

  That's so funny.

• 1:12:00Speaker 03

  It's so funny, but I, yeah, the retrospective, I would be, I would pay to, to see that.

• 1:12:06Speaker 02

  I'm just gonna, there's a Nick at Night channel. I, I went such a hard left, but I'm like, I always forget that you're a college humor person.

• 1:12:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:12Speaker 01

  This is now ringing a bell because I wrote for the other two.

• 1:12:15Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:12:16Speaker 01

  And, and Sarah said one day, they were talking about Kristen Doty and she was like, I'm actually friends with Kristen. And everyone was like, you're friends with Kristen Doty? Which sounds crazy as a person on this side of the television. When you're watching Kristen beak off in Kristen. You're like, you're friends with this person electively?

• 1:12:33Speaker 02

  I love Kristen.

• 1:12:34Speaker 01

  She's like, yeah, she's actually great and so funny.

• 1:12:36Speaker 03

  She's so nice.

• 1:12:36Speaker 01

  Yes. She's just happens to be incredible on reality television. Sorry about it.

• 1:12:43Speaker 01

  She's doing her job well.

• 1:12:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:45Speaker 01

  Which anyone in the industry.

• 1:12:47Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:12:47Speaker 01

  That's why there's so many industry fans of these shows.

• 1:12:50Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:12:51Speaker 01

  That's why like when Fraser and I were at a party, I, I look over across the party and Seth Rogen has Fraser in his arms, like holding him like this.

• 1:12:59Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:12:59Speaker 01

  It's like, I think people really appreciate two things. How hard it is to be good and lasting at any job in this industry.

• 1:13:08Speaker 03

  Oh, very, yes.

• 1:13:09Speaker 01

  And two, that the thing about the public perceiving you is not easy. And that is how like the reality television and specifically Bravo traffics in specifically that. So I think that that's why you hear so many A-list stars, like Julia Roberts going up to Garcella on a red carpet and being like, I have to set you up with my friend.

• 1:13:31Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:13:31Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? Like, that's because there's a real respect there.

• 1:13:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:36Speaker 01

  For anyone surviving in Hollywood.

• 1:13:38Speaker 03

  Oh, for sure. And like you said, to have steady work or to have a show that lasts past one, two seasons, that's insane at this point.

• 1:13:47Speaker 01

  It's unheard of.

• 1:13:48Speaker 03

  It's very difficult to make that happen. And then to have, you know, people who are on reality TV or who work in reality TV or people who are someone like Julia Roberts. These are all still human stories.

• 1:14:00Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:14:01Speaker 03

  And I feel like that's why the two of them inspire each other, these two worlds so much. So that's why when I say like, in my acceptance, reality TV is not trash.

• 1:14:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:11Speaker 03

  You know, some, there are people in this world who use reality star as a slur.

• 1:14:16Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:14:17Speaker 03

  They don't use that term like that. They don't have this lack of humanity or respect towards people who do that job because they also know how fucking hard it is.

• 1:14:28Speaker 01

  It's really tough.

• 1:14:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:29Speaker 02

  Was there, were there people that stick out to you as people who have over the years just reached out? I mean, but specifically during when shit blew up on Vanderpump?

• 1:14:39Speaker 03

  Well, not a ton. Well, I also, it's so funny because I remember back in the day, people were like, oh my God, you must have so many people in your DMs. I was like, I have zero.

• 1:14:47Speaker 02

  But not even that, just, just in terms of, just in terms of people reaching out being like, oh my God, I'm such a fan.

• 1:14:50Speaker 03

  Oh my gosh. Uh, well, I remember when Kesha sent a message.

• 1:14:54Speaker 01

  We love Kesha.

• 1:14:54Speaker 03

  I, I love her so much. She's so cool. And then there's been like, well, Seth Rogen and his wife like came to our sandwich shop. They've been so nice.

• 1:15:03Speaker 01

  Oh, they came?

• 1:15:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, that was super cool.

• 1:15:05Speaker 01

  How was the sandwich shop going?

• 1:15:07Speaker 03

  Great.

• 1:15:07Speaker 01

  Yeah?

• 1:15:08Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:15:08Speaker 02

  I still haven't been, I have to go.

• 1:15:09Speaker 03

  Please come, yeah.

• 1:15:11Speaker 01

  I was in LA, sort of my tail end of being there was when you guys were opening. And I had been like DMing with Katie about it because she was there with her mom. And I was like, I feel like I don't want to cut everybody in line. I was like, I'll come back another day.

• 1:15:24Speaker 03

  And at that time, it was madness.

• 1:15:25Speaker 01

  It was down the street. It was crazy.

• 1:15:28Speaker 03

  Things are more steady now. So I would definitely say come anytime. Yeah.

• 1:15:33Speaker 01

  So now that it's steady, which sandwich has popped off as the one that's the most popular?

• 1:15:39Speaker 03

  Honestly, I think it's the, the Reese is super popular. That's the one with like the, the balsamic and so you can always add prosciutto comes as.

• 1:15:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, I remember you saying you, you suggested to add prosciutto. Yeah.

• 1:15:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:15:54Speaker 02

  Love.

• 1:15:55Speaker 01

  That sounds really good.

• 1:15:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:15:56Speaker 01

  And I love that the Reese.

• 1:15:57Speaker 03

  And the Nancy is super popular. That's kind of like our elevated BLT.

• 1:16:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. Is there a Diane?

• 1:16:02Speaker 03

  There is a Diane.

• 1:16:03Speaker 01

  Okay, I bet that one was selling out too.

• 1:16:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's actually my favorite to turn into a salad. Cause you can make any of our sandwiches a salad as well. If you're just like, oh, I don't want the bread for whatever reason.

• 1:16:14Speaker 01

  They'll do a salad for you.

• 1:16:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:16:15Speaker 01

  Oh, I love that.

• 1:16:16Speaker 03

  That's one of my favorites to turn into a salad.

• 1:16:17Speaker 01

  Oh, I love.

• 1:16:18Speaker 02

  What's in the Diane?

• 1:16:19Speaker 03

  It's a, it's tuna salad.

• 1:16:21Speaker 02

  I'm in.

• 1:16:21Speaker 03

  But we do tuna salad without doing like mayo, is no mayo.

• 1:16:24Speaker 02

  Okay, yeah.

• 1:16:25Speaker 03

  So it's light.

• 1:16:26Speaker 01

  Oh, cool.

• 1:16:27Speaker 03

  It's incredible.

• 1:16:28Speaker 02

  It's very Alton Roman take on the tuna salad. She doesn't use, she doesn't use a lot of mayo.

• 1:16:31Speaker 01

  I have always been, I have always actually used as a substitute for mayo in my tuna, I kind of like Dijon mustard.

• 1:16:36Speaker 02

  That's, that's, that's what people do.

• 1:16:37Speaker 01

  Love, love. I love a spicy mustard.

• 1:16:39Speaker 03

  I'm such a mustard person.

• 1:16:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Were you always? I wasn't always.

• 1:16:44Speaker 03

  I was always mustard, pickles, salt and vinegar.

• 1:16:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:48Speaker 03

  Like real savory stuff.

• 1:16:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:16:50Speaker 02

  But savory with acid?

• 1:16:52Speaker 03

  Acid.

• 1:16:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:53Speaker 03

  That's my shit right there.

• 1:16:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. We need an acidic tuna. We need an acidic tuna. That's my shit.

• 1:16:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:17:00Speaker 02

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• 1:17:03Speaker 01

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• 1:17:04Speaker 03

  Fuck yeah, vinegar.

• 1:17:04Speaker 01

  Fuck yeah, vinegar. I love it to be salty as fuck. Ew.

• 1:17:09Speaker 02

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• 1:22:07Speaker 02

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• 1:22:08Speaker 01

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• 1:22:11Speaker 01

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• 1:22:16Speaker 01

  I Don't Think So Honey, these four words, Mark Zuckerberg's style evolution.

• 1:22:21Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:22:22Speaker 01

  We're not talking about this. Basically, I'll tell you what his style evolution is so we can. And the conversation, he started buying expensive T-shirts that fit him well. He almost certainly wears them all once and throws them out and buys another one. Certainly, he's a wasteful person. I am not going to sit here and start calling him an icon when Harry Styles is giving you a different outfit every single day. Wouldn't we all rather talk about this? I'd rather look at old pictures of Timothy Chalamet than, cause I, he's not on a press tour right now, which is odd for him, actually. There's so many alphas talk about, like, let's look at the style evolution of all these people. In fact, let's leave all the tech bros out of it. And to be fair, I have a little bit of a problem with you.

• 1:23:06Speaker 01

  Because the sort of like Sam Altman cover story is, and I don't think so, honey. We have to stop making these people, shooting them in good light and making them look like style icons. They do not need that, and we certainly don't need that. I don't think so, honey.

• 1:23:22Speaker 02

  And that's one minute. Fabulous.

• 1:23:24Speaker 01

  So that's what I would say about anyone looking up to Mark Zuckerberg aesthetically. No matter what publication is telling you, this is a fine and cool thing to do, like, and it's a chic thing to notice. It's not.

• 1:23:36Speaker 02

  It's all the aesthetics of it being appealing. It's like, by like, like, it's very intentional that Kylie Jenner's wearing the meta glasses. It's like, these were not cool and they still aren't.

• 1:23:48Speaker 03

  They're still not cool.

• 1:23:49Speaker 02

  But it's like.

• 1:23:49Speaker 01

  It's a surveillance state.

• 1:23:51Speaker 03

  Yeah. What are, what are we doing?

• 1:23:53Speaker 02

  What are we doing?

• 1:23:54Speaker 03

  Don't try to make it cool.

• 1:23:55Speaker 02

  Exactly. But it's like, I think with Mark Zuckerberg, it is what we call here a flat narrative. He didn't start out, I mean, the evolution is a flat line. He doesn't, he does not look good or nor has he ever. I'm sorry, like.

• 1:24:09Speaker 01

  I literally saw it in like an actual like reputable magazine that discusses like fashion and culture. And I was like, wow, the brain rot is truly, well, a shocker coming from the top.

• 1:24:21Speaker 02

  That's a PR buy. Like, that's like someone on his team.

• 1:24:25Speaker 01

  It's just like, it's, it's.

• 1:24:26Speaker 03

  So.

• 1:24:27Speaker 01

  Also, yeah, I saw that Levine Australia just, just used AI for you.

• 1:24:31Speaker 03

  Well, I did a clip, so I, I shot a, they asked, will you shoot this clip? And I was like, of course, like I love Sophie and like it's cool. They're gonna use our villa. So I wore, I like pulled one of the dresses that wasn't gonna get used on the show. And we shot this clip, I was wearing sunglasses, cause that's when I had the stye.

• 1:24:46Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:24:48Speaker 01

  That was one of my favorite looks, actually.

• 1:24:49Speaker 03

  It actually worked out. It really worked out. So, yeah, I shot this clip and the idea was like, I was like, why don't we do it, you know, I throw the keys up. Camera follows the keys and then when they shoot their side, they can just keys down to Sophie, catch, and she starts. And that was what I thought was gonna be used. And then when I saw it, I was in a mini dress. First of all, my dress was a maxi dress.

• 1:25:16Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:25:16Speaker 03

  So the dress, the whole thing was like a different thing.

• 1:25:20Speaker 02

  They generated your body. Crazy.

• 1:25:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, cause it was shot, it wasn't even shot full bo, I think it was shot like here up. So they inserted the clip into, and then obviously you saw all the other fake people and then this and that and.

• 1:25:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:34Speaker 03

  So that was the whole thing, but yeah. It's like, those are the uses of AI that we're fucking talking about. Like, why are you doing that?

• 1:25:40Speaker 01

  I mean, there was, I regularly get sent reels where people are like, um, they, they're using your voice for this. Like, it's, it'll just be my voice, like advertising, like a, a product and like an AI commercial. That's happened to me like probably seven or eight times. Because think about how much of our voice, think about how much of our, like. Everyone like.

• 1:26:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:26:02Speaker 01

  And increasingly, everyone in the world.

• 1:26:05Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:26:05Speaker 01

  Is just giving up.

• 1:26:06Speaker 03

  Mm hmm. And you know, there's like scam calls where they'll call, and if you say like, they can use like, yeah, you say your name or you say one thing, and then they can use AI voice of, you know, your grandson being like, help, I need money.

• 1:26:20Speaker 01

  Whenever anyone calls you and they ask, is this so and so, never say yes. Never say yes. Always ask, who is calling? Always ask, or you can say, this is he, or this is she, or yes, this is them. And, but never say yes, because they will literally use that and clip that to have.

• 1:26:42Speaker 03

  Just the yes. Oh, and they're, those scams are like really elaborate now.

• 1:26:48Speaker 01

  They're getting much and much better at it.

• 1:26:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:26:51Speaker 01

  Like.

• 1:26:51Speaker 02

  Leave us alone.

• 1:26:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, leave us alone. Scammers. Leave us alone, scammers. It's actually a little closer than before. Leave us alone, scammers. Do you have, um, an I don't think so, honey today?

• 1:27:03Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:27:04Speaker 01

  Oh, I knew it. All right. Well, this, in that case, is Bowen Yang's I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.

• 1:27:10Speaker 02

  I don't think so, honey. Uncrustables. I think let's take the stigma off of crusts. I think, what are we all, children? I know Uncrustables are for children, but actually, no, Uncrustables are the nick of, nick at night of snacks and food. They are for everybody. I think kids should grow up in a, in a world where that's, if you take the crusts off PB and J, then we just coddle these people into infinity. And we cuddle ourselves as adults. They're selling Uncrustables at the store, at the pharmacy. I pick some up at the store every now and then, and I go, well, I feel infantilized. And I don't want that for myself, because then I start to cuddle myself.

• 1:27:54Speaker 02

  And that therefore motivates you to use something like ChatGPT. I'm not, I'm not joking, bitch. There is a direct link between Uncrustables and learned dependency and the takeover of AI. I think we should really make life a little bit hard for ourselves and that therefore the difficulty of being amongst other people should be ingrained into our society.

• 1:28:16Speaker 01

  And that's one minute. Yeah.

• 1:28:19Speaker 03

  I think, but did you grow up being told that the crust is the healthiest part of the bread?

• 1:28:23Speaker 02

  No, but that's lie too. That's a lie as well.

• 1:28:26Speaker 01

  Well, no, the brown, the brown crust is definitely healthier than the white bread.

• 1:28:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, see, there you go. There's more vitamins in it, I was told.

• 1:28:34Speaker 01

  Whoa, that could.

• 1:28:37Speaker 02

  Your mom is eleven.

• 1:28:37Speaker 01

  Maybe be true.

• 1:28:39Speaker 03

  I, I still go with that. I support this. I think crust, justice for crust.

• 1:28:43Speaker 02

  Justice for crust. I will never, I vow, I vow right here, every pizza slice, I'm eating the crust. And I usually do, sometimes, solidarity for crust. If I'm not in the mood, I will leave it alone, but now I think going forward, I will eat every crust.

• 1:28:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:28:58Speaker 01

  I love crusts. And I also think that crusts are adversity. And when you take off the crust, what you're really saying is, I don't wanna deal with the hard things.

• 1:29:07Speaker 02

  I don't wanna be challenged.

• 1:29:08Speaker 01

  You're saying, I would rather just have what I want and what's gonna be the easiest thing for me.

• 1:29:15Speaker 02

  ChatGPT.

• 1:29:15Speaker 01

  It is exactly that.

• 1:29:17Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 1:29:17Speaker 01

  Hold my hand.

• 1:29:18Speaker 03

  The pipeline.

• 1:29:19Speaker 02

  The pipeline is strong.

• 1:29:21Speaker 01

  The pipeline is strong and it's strong and real. Are you ready for your I don't think so, honey?

• 1:29:25Speaker 03

  I think I'm ready. Mine is a little bit, yeah, I did have options.

• 1:29:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, you did. You spoke on that.

• 1:29:32Speaker 03

  I did have kind of three that I was jostling between.

• 1:29:35Speaker 01

  And now you feel you've landed.

• 1:29:36Speaker 03

  I think honestly, I'm just gonna go with my gut and go with the one that really affects my life the most.

• 1:29:41Speaker 01

  All right. This is Ariana Madix's, I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now.

• 1:29:46Speaker 03

  I don't think so, honey, anxiety.

• 1:29:48Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:29:49Speaker 03

  Because why am I getting ready to come sit on a sofa and talk with my lovely friends and I have a tummy ache for hours? Why am I getting ready to step on a stage and do one of my favorite things to do in the world? And I'm crying and sobbing and having panic attacks and I'm shaking and my heart is beating at 300 beats per minute?

• 1:30:08Speaker 02

  Fuck that.

• 1:30:09Speaker 03

  Fuck anxiety. I don't think so, honey, anxiety, because why am I walking around in normal day to day life, doing things I've always wanted to do with my life, with the nervous system of someone who's being hunted for sport?

• 1:30:21Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:30:22Speaker 03

  Why am I screaming, crying, throwing up every day at just living normal life? Oh, I have a plan tomorrow? Oh, sure, why don't I stay up all night thinking about it? And scrolling on my phone, looking for techniques to help with the anxiety. Guess what? I never go back to the techniques, cause I just keep having the anxiety.

• 1:30:40Speaker 01

  Five seconds.

• 1:30:40Speaker 03

  And you know what? That's why I don't think so, honey, anxiety, because you're trying to ruin my life and I'm fucking tired of it.

• 1:30:45Speaker 01

  There we go. That's one minute. Anxiety just really has to think about that one.

• 1:30:51Speaker 02

  It has to.

• 1:30:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, take a second, think about it, anxiety.

• 1:30:53Speaker 01

  I wanna ask you a question that is personal, but I don't think that, I, I, I'm honest about it and so is Bo. Are you on any antidepressants or anything like that?

• 1:31:04Speaker 03

  No, I used to be on, um, an SSRI back in the day, but I felt that it made me even sleepier.

• 1:31:12Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 1:31:12Speaker 03

  And I was like, I can't deal with that.

• 1:31:15Speaker 02

  Past the initial sort of two, three weeks.

• 1:31:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was on it for about two months.

• 1:31:20Speaker 02

  Got it.

• 1:31:20Speaker 03

  And then I just said, I don't know. And then I thought, well, I should try to find one that does work for me.

• 1:31:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:25Speaker 03

  But I couldn't, the trial and error, error process. Yeah, I would just, at that time, I couldn't. So.

• 1:31:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:33Speaker 03

  I'm still, I'm not against the idea, but I felt that it really just made me sleepy.

• 1:31:39Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:31:40Speaker 03

  It made my eyes feel like, really like, like heavy.

• 1:31:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, that might not be, I, I would, I would say, cause I have, I have very similar stuff. Like, you've always been very honest about this.

• 1:31:52Speaker 03

  Literally, before I go to the, like, go out, like, part of my warm, vocal warmup is to, like, hardcore massage my stomach. Because this is locked up all the time with just constant anxious stomach.

• 1:32:07Speaker 02

  Second brain.

• 1:32:09Speaker 01

  Second brain.

• 1:32:09Speaker 02

  Second brain shit.

• 1:32:10Speaker 01

  I think that, like, I can absolutely relate to it feeling frustrating when one thing just doesn't work. And then you feel like, almost like you've lost that time, or not even that you've lost that time, but that time was actually worse than it was before. Because now you're anxious about the fact that it didn't work. It is like a vicious cycle. When, when I finally found what worked for me, which is five milligrams of Lexapro and beta blockers, whenever. Whatever I want, quite frankly, I'm just living such a happier life. So I can tell you that like, as frustrating as it is, it did work for me that. And I hate seeing people that have no reason to feel that way, feeling that way.

• 1:32:54Speaker 01

  Cause you're so great in the show. You bring so much like vivid personality to everything that you do. Like, there's a reason why you are in the positions that you're in.

• 1:33:05Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:33:05Speaker 01

  Really.

• 1:33:06Speaker 03

  The imposter syndrome is real, so I really appreciate, appreciate you saying that. And yeah, I, I wanna get to a point where I do find my, my forever thing.

• 1:33:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:18Speaker 03

  Because I wanna be able to like live freely and try things and feel like I'm living presently and in the moment and not locked into it. And I just honestly, it is the most annoying frustrating thing to deal with. Cause you're like, if this would just go away.

• 1:33:34Speaker 01

  Yes. It's almost even more frustrating when it does go away because you realize how

• 1:33:41Speaker 02

  Long you've been living with it. And I will say as far as like the theater of it goes, cause I am relating to this on that level, certainly where it's like, the reason why it's so anxiety inducing is the same reason why it's so wonderful. It's because it is like the most immediate kind of performance there is. Right? It's like so instantly gratifying for people in the audience, for you as a performer. Like, I think it, it, which it's like, it sort of horseshoes back around to like, why it's so fucking paralyzing.

• 1:34:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, and we care. We all care so much about what I'm, I'm like thinking about, you know, you sing on stage a lot. And I feel like, yeah, this, this feeling of like, we care about what's coming out. And then like, the physical aspect of your body is like fighting you.

• 1:34:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. You know what? I honestly like, I endeavored to start using beta blockers like the last time I went on tour. And I certainly will use them this year. I loved walking out on stage and just being able to tell myself in the quieter that everyone is here because they wanna see me do well. They expect me to do well. I can do it well, or else I wouldn't be here. And there's no one rooting against me. It's just this thing I'm telling myself because I'm letting my wheels spin, you know? And for me, it actually was much more social. Like, when I was living in LA, I'll never forget it, my friend, I had a, like a sort of a, like a acquaintance friend.

• 1:35:13Speaker 01

  But he invited me to his birthday party and he's like a really like hot, popular guy. I drove around the block 10 times until our friend Joel Kim Booster got there first. So I could walk in and know that I would know someone. And that's not normal. And that was like, when I was like, I'm gonna start therapy and like, because, because it, it shows up in all different ways.

• 1:35:33Speaker 03

  Oh, for sure. And that stuff, that's the type of thing I would do.

• 1:35:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:38Speaker 02

  Maybe it's normal.

• 1:35:40Speaker 01

  No, no, no. Here's the thing.

• 1:35:41Speaker 03

  But it's like, yeah, it's like, it's, it's like, yeah, I can relate to that. Oh, I don't know anyone here, so let me just walk around the block a few times.

• 1:35:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, literally.

• 1:35:52Speaker 03

  So like, someone's gonna be here. Yeah.

• 1:35:54Speaker 01

  And then, and then it's so frustrating when you finally get there and everyone's like, hey! And it's like, and then you're, you're fine. And I was like, why did I almost have a heart attack for an hour?

• 1:36:04Speaker 03

  No, literally. And you're like, I could have wasted so much less time with my life. I could, my mind could have been occupied on things that I actually really care about.

• 1:36:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:14Speaker 03

  And not that, or you know.

• 1:36:16Speaker 01

  Yeah. But no, I, and I've, I've always appreciated that you've been really honest about that stuff.

• 1:36:21Speaker 03

  Oh, thank you. It's sometimes it's, I saw Lily Reinhardt talking about how, you know, she's spoken openly about depression and things. And then she said, after speaking about it, you know, then some people were almost like labeling her as like the depression actress. And then she, it made her feel like she didn't, not regret talking about it, but she had feelings about, oh, I put this out there. And a lot of people related, but then some people kind of put me in this box of being, that being who I am. And she's like, I'm so many other things and, you know, we're so many other things than, than these anxious thoughts or whatever. But it's, it's annoying when those things, when I like take over.

• 1:36:59Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:36:59Speaker 02

  And then get pinned on you. But I mean, I mean like,

• 1:37:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:37:02Speaker 02

  But what we're saying like, and I'm sure you're hearing this and receiving this, it's like, you've literally done it all.

• 1:37:09Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 1:37:10Speaker 02

  You've done it all. No, but like, disagree, like, like, can you push back against? No, it's like, you can't disagree, you can't argue against that. It's like, you've done everything in entertainment.

• 1:37:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:37:22Speaker 02

  Like, oh my God, and I'm so excited for this.

• 1:37:24Speaker 03

  I've done a lot. Yeah, it's crazy.

• 1:37:25Speaker 02

  The Future Housewives thing is so, I'm so excited for that.

• 1:37:28Speaker 01

  Oh, yes! Can you tell us more about it?

• 1:37:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, well, I'll tell you guys how it came about because I had, you know, um, as you guys know, you, when you meet with production companies and networks and things, when you're in that phase of, of life, we're doing meetings.

• 1:37:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. We have some meetings.

• 1:37:46Speaker 03

  We've got some meetings. Um, and one of my meetings was with Fuzzy Door. And we, we were talking about all kinds of things and, um, Brandon Braga, who is on this project. He basically, he was like, I'd love to chat with you about this idea I have. And you know, he's done Star Trek and Cosmos. And I was like, oh my God, I'm a huge fan of the shows that he's created. He's worked, you know, Orville and all of that. Because I always loved sci, I've always loved sci-fi.

• 1:38:16Speaker 02

  You're a Carl Sagan girl?

• 1:38:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, when I was little, like, my dad loved that stuff. And I grew up in the Space Coast of Florida, so I was always fascinated by like,

• 1:38:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, cool.

• 1:38:25Speaker 03

  going to space and, and all of that. And so it was so, such a cool thing. Then my dad and I would watch like the Star Trek shows and things like that. So I was really excited to chat with him and he kind of had this concept for this show. Because while he's created all these sci-fi shows, he's a huge reality TV fan.

• 1:38:44Speaker 02

  Industry fans.

• 1:38:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, so we had this crazy, amazing, he's like, I wanna do this show, but I, how do I bridge these two worlds of sci-fi and reality TV? And so that was kind of what we're, that's kind of what we're doing with this show.

• 1:38:58Speaker 01

  That's cool.

• 1:39:00Speaker 03

  So I'm really excited about it.

• 1:39:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's gonna be fun.

• 1:39:03Speaker 03

  And then we, you know, of course we went around, had the pitch and it worked out.

• 1:39:07Speaker 01

  Nailed it.

• 1:39:08Speaker 02

  Nailed it.

• 1:39:08Speaker 01

  Yes!

• 1:39:09Speaker 03

  And so I'm really excited to get going on it. And I'm really excited about when we get to the casting process because there's not a lot of scripted TV for actresses that are over 50, who are maybe like 60, like, and I am so excited to have an ensemble cast of women that are, you know, truly adults.

• 1:39:31Speaker 02

  Listen to yourself, like you have, you are occasioning that opportunity for other people, like that's.

• 1:39:38Speaker 03

  I'm very excited about it.

• 1:39:40Speaker 02

  No one's taking that away from you. You have every reason to be excited. Same goes for you being on fucking Broadway again. Same goes for you, like doing all of these amazing things, like, you, you, like, you're a fucking legend. Love you.

• 1:39:52Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:39:53Speaker 01

  We love you so much. We're so happy you came by.

• 1:39:55Speaker 03

  I'm, I've been wanting to come by for, forever. So this is such an honor. Yeah.

• 1:40:01Speaker 01

  I mean, listen.

• 1:40:02Speaker 03

  Thrilled to be here.

• 1:40:03Speaker 01

  We love you. You can see her live in the flesh, in fact, very close to you if you're in that one part of the audience. Cause she'll give her eulogy, spoiler alert, right next to you over at Circle and the Square for Just in Time, which is really a fantastic show. And I think actually, if you're a fan of this podcast and you're a pop culture person, who maybe has Bobby Darin as a blind spot and that era of music as a blind spot and film.

• 1:40:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, you would know it, but you also may be really interested to learn about the impacts that a lot of these people had and a lot of the way their lives intersected. I remember I, I left the audience feeling really enriched by it. So it's, it's really cool and the music is amazing and.

• 1:40:40Speaker 02

  I always feel that way leaving Circle in the Square.

• 1:40:44Speaker 02

  An amazing place.

• 1:40:46Speaker 01

  And yeah, so.

• 1:40:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:40:48Speaker 01

  Here we go. We'll end every episode with a song.

• 1:40:54Speaker 01

  I wish I knew.

• 1:40:55Speaker 02

  Somewhere.

• 1:40:56Speaker 01

  Beyond the sea. Somewhere waiting for me. My lover stands on golden sands and watches the ships that go sailing. Is that the first time you've sung that one publicly?

• 1:41:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:41:17Speaker 01

  It's not one of her tunes in the show.

• 1:41:19Speaker 02

  Same here.

• 1:41:20Speaker 01

  Bye!

• 1:41:24Speaker 02

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• 1:41:28Speaker 01

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