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All hail the Pope of Trash/Filth Elder/Sultan of Sleaze, the one and only John Waters is here fresh off his 80th birthday. The boys talk to him about bonus holes, shooting machine guns, and somehow stepping into respectability in spite of those topics. Girl, it is SURREAL to see him, can we take a pitcher?! It's an acid trip at whatever age so press play right now.
John Waters stars in the animated series Kevin on Prime Video, available to stream now.
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1:02 Speaker 03 Look, man.
1:03 Speaker 01 Where?
1:03 Speaker 03 Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Wow, is that culture? Yeah, goodness. Las Culturistas.
1:12 Speaker 02 Ding dong, Las Culturistas calling.
1:15 Speaker 01 Welcome to the cavalcade of perversion.
1:16 Speaker 02 Oh, I'm so excited. I'm wearing my Seth Bogart merch for our guest.
1:23 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:23 Speaker 02 This is what they sold at the Academy Museum.
1:26 Speaker 01 Which, come on.
1:27 Speaker 02 Which was...
1:27 Speaker 01 Eighteen rooms.
1:29 Speaker 02 Oh, my God. How are you up on the...
1:31 Speaker 01 Because I did my research.
1:33 Speaker 02 On the exhibit or on the museum?
1:35 Speaker 01 Well, did you see the exhibit?
1:36 Speaker 02 I did indeed go to the exhibit.
1:38 Speaker 01 It was fab.
1:39 Speaker 02 You went?
1:39 Speaker 01 Yeah, I did go.
1:40 Speaker 02 Amazing.
1:41 Speaker 01 It's a major day, and also I feel like the spirit of the guest was on the New York City streets today, because I'm walking down the street and I'm wearing sort of a jacket that I didn't realize had holes in it. And so medication I was holding in my jacket fell out, just beta blockers. Felt like anxiety meds fell on the street. And a woman ran up, a crazy woman with a... Like a, like a pin, like a clothespin, ran up and said, "Do you need a clothespin?" And I was like, and I was like, "What?" And she goes, "For your hole." And I was like, "Okay, today is the day John Waters is on."
2:14 Speaker 02 Oh my god.
2:15 Speaker 01 Because a woman just ran up to me with a big clothespin and offered it for me to have for my hole, Bo.
2:21 Speaker 02 For your hole.
2:22 Speaker 01 I was like, "If this isn't a John Waters film."
2:24 Speaker 02 Absolutely.
2:24 Speaker 01 It would need to have been a lot bigger, I think. Everything would need to be more outsized.
2:29 Speaker 02 Um, did you, did you pick up your meds?
2:31 Speaker 01 I got them, don't worry.
2:32 Speaker 02 Off the ground.
2:32 Speaker 01 No, we're okay.
2:35 Speaker 02 This is, this is so wonderful. He just celebrated his 80th birthday.
2:39 Speaker 01 Happy birthday.
2:40 Speaker 02 He's on his Going to Extremes tour. He's going to Fire Island for the first time in a minute.
2:44 Speaker 01 He sure is. You're gonna see him at the Ice Palace.
2:46 Speaker 02 He's now part of the, I guess, turf war, if you want to call it that, between Fire Island and Provincetown, but he's all, he's a P-Town guy.
2:54 Speaker 01 Oh yeah, you are kind of like showing your cards there.
2:57 Speaker 02 Wow. I, I don't really know what else to say. He's my favorite director ever. I've said this on record. Um, I had a hard time picking between Female Trouble and Multiple Maniacs in the Criterion Closet.
3:07 Speaker 01 And what did you choose?
3:08 Speaker 02 I chose Multiple Maniacs because it's, it's, it's the most shocking movie still of all time, to me. Because of what Ming Stolen, Divine Do in the church. If you know, you know. Um, oh my god. And I was watching Serial Mom on the plane yesterday for the first time in years, and that is a perfect movie.
3:27 Speaker 01 It sure is.
3:28 Speaker 02 Perfect film.
3:30 Speaker 01 Yeah.
3:30 Speaker 02 It's, oh my god. And I had a sex dream about, um...
3:34 Speaker 01 Johnny Depp.
3:35 Speaker 02 Johnny Depp. Today, not even from Crybaby. No, I had a sex dream about Matthew Lillard.
3:40 Speaker 01 Well, that's just gonna happen.
3:41 Speaker 02 That's just gonna happen, but he was like, he had like a dark beard and he was, he was just all muscly.
3:46 Speaker 01 I loved, I love the Lillard.
3:47 Speaker 02 I love the Lillard. Um, well, he, he's my favorite. He's here. Everyone, please welcome John Waters.
3:54 Speaker 04 Thank you very much.
3:55 Speaker 01 And happy birthday again.
3:56 Speaker 04 Thank you. I know my birthday, my god, it was so overhyped. The people were yelling happy birthday to me on the subway, strangers.
4:02 Speaker 01 What, what more could you ask for?
4:04 Speaker 02 What's the appropriate level of hype for, for your 80th birthday?
4:07 Speaker 04 Well, I did, I did 59 shows on the road last year, but I did nine birthday shows. No, eight, I think, in like 10 days or something. So it was, I was, I'm a carny, I'm on the road.
4:17 Speaker 02 But the math works out, eight, eight shows. No, what is it?
4:22 Speaker 04 Well, I think it was seven or eight in nine days. I forget, but I did them. I was every day doing a different city. It was great.
4:28 Speaker 02 But you don't, but I feel like you maybe, you, you, you, you're a little bit allergic to like over praise, right? And this is mostly what this podcast is.
4:36 Speaker 04 Well, no, I'm not. I'm just used to. I built a career on bad reviews. Now, when I get good ones, I'm shocked. I take them with no irony. Like when the Academy Awards had a museum, how would that ever be possible?
4:49 Speaker 01 You were like, you weren't checking for me before.
4:51 Speaker 04 But it was so great. It was wonderful. No, I don't feel like Janis Joplin when she went back to her high school reunion after she was famous and people were still mean to her.
5:00 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
5:02 Speaker 02 They were still mean to her?
5:03 Speaker 04 Yes.
5:03 Speaker 01 No one could give a fuck.
5:04 Speaker 04 Which is kind of funny. She thought she was gonna go in and be like, "Ha, ha, showed you," and they were still hateful. "Hi, ugly." Basically, they didn't say that. They didn't say that, but they acted like that.
5:14 Speaker 01 Yeah, they felt it. They thought it.
5:16 Speaker 02 But are, are people still mean to you from back in the day?
5:19 Speaker 04 Never. The people that were mean to me then didn't matter. We put them in the ads. We put the ad, the bad quotes in the ads.
5:26 Speaker 01 Yeah.
5:27 Speaker 02 And then, but then you'll never put the good quotes now in anything necessarily, right?
5:32 Speaker 04 Oh, sure, we would. We would put them on when my screenplay books came out. But we did publish on the back, the only quote was from the New York Times for Desperate Living, which Criterion is putting out in 4K.
5:42 Speaker 01 Let's go.
5:44 Speaker 04 But the, the quote was, "You can look far and wide and you'll never find," but you, you could look far and wide to find a film this ugly, but really, why would you? That was a New York Times quote, and that's on the only thing on the back of the screenplay book.
5:57 Speaker 02 That's wonderful.
5:58 Speaker 01 Some of the bad reviews are written the most elegantly, I feel. You know what I mean?
6:03 Speaker 04 Well, then, bad reviews mattered. Today, it doesn't really hurt you that much. Critics don't have the power they used to. Like, it used to, if you were an art film, you got a rave review in the New York Times, it was a hit.
6:15 Speaker 01 Yeah.
6:16 Speaker 04 Today, it doesn't mean it's a hit. If it's, the bad one, it's still a bomb.
6:19 Speaker 01 Right.
6:20 Speaker 02 But then our friends, we have friends who have made what I think were immediately considered future cult classics. Like our friends Josh Sharp and Aaron Jackson made a movie called Dick's The Musical.
6:31 Speaker 04 Yes, I saw it. Yeah.
6:32 Speaker 02 You did?
6:32 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah, definitely.
6:33 Speaker 01 Starring Bowen as God.
6:35 Speaker 04 But the thing is, a cult classic is the worst thing you can say when you're trying to get financing. That means five smart people liked it and it lost money. Serial Mom was a failure when it came out. And the executive that, he doesn't care that it's a hit 20 years later. He was fired because the movie didn't make money.
6:51 Speaker 01 Right, yeah, that's all that matters.
6:53 Speaker 02 Do you keep in touch with him?
6:54 Speaker 04 No. I bought a house with the money he gave me.
6:58 Speaker 01 There you go.
6:59 Speaker 02 He, he got something out of it. He got something. He lost his job, but he wouldn't have been happy.
7:04 Speaker 04 No, but he was fair. And you know, it's just like, my movies are weird. They test it. They go to mid-America to test it. Why? Those, that's not where they're gonna play the best.
7:13 Speaker 01 Yeah, but you know what? The, the person that needs those movies in mid-America, like, thank God they went out and tested there. They get to say, I, I got to really find my freak.
7:21 Speaker 04 But now it's a different, different world. When I go everywhere, my audience is, if it's in Iowa or New York, they're the same. They're smart, they dress well, they've seen every movie, because you don't have to go anywhere anymore. You can stay where you are and make it better.
7:34 Speaker 01 Yeah, 100%.
7:35 Speaker 02 I feel like there is something about maybe Hairspray doing so well, that like, that, that's like the punk, the punkiest thing you ever did.
7:45 Speaker 04 Devious, because it snuck in. It, it plays in Florida in grade schools and nobody bitches. Two men singing a love song, encouraging interracial dating. Racist even like it, they're so stupid.
7:56 Speaker 01 Wow. So I, I was reading that you were initially, were you shocked by the PG rating? Or were you just like, I can't believe we made something?
8:06 Speaker 04 No, I was shocked by it, just because it was divine and I. And then New Line at the time was shocked too. They wanted me to put the word shit in so we'd get a PG 13 at least. I said, no, let's keep it. That's the shock.
8:16 Speaker 01 Now.
8:16 Speaker 04 That it is PG.
8:18 Speaker 01 Yeah, this is the race we're running.
8:19 Speaker 02 Because I even saw Hairspray for the first time in the 7th grade.
8:23 Speaker 04 Well, that's fine. It's perfectly, should see it at any age, that movie's fine. I think it would get a G today.
8:30 Speaker 01 Yeah.
8:30 Speaker 02 You would get a G today, but I just remember it being, because I think that was my first technical exposure. And it was. And it was when like they're they're playing, it's when like the woman's holding the sign up that says falsies. And I was like, oh, there's something different about this movie. And I-
8:49 Speaker 04 Criterion is putting it out now, but we're we have the side, the scenes that were cut out where Tracy's mean, where she's mean to the kids that work in the drug shop. She says, gets a hickey in the car and says, hope he doesn't have blue balls. And breaks into Amber's house, reads her diary and dyes her hair in her own house. Stuff that wisely got cut out because it goes so far away from the nice girl that Tracy was.
9:11 Speaker 02 Right.
9:11 Speaker 01 But now I want to see the movie of alt Tracy.
9:14 Speaker 04 Yeah.
9:14 Speaker 02 Of alt Tracy.
9:15 Speaker 01 Hairspray in the other dimension.
9:17 Speaker 04 Yeah.
9:18 Speaker 02 Do you and Adam Shankman still keep in touch?
9:19 Speaker 04 Yeah, some, yeah, definitely.
9:21 Speaker 02 So Matt and Adam Shankman fill now.
9:23 Speaker 04 Oh, good. Which one?
9:24 Speaker 01 The Stop That Train.
9:25 Speaker 04 Wow, great.
9:26 Speaker 01 It's gonna be really fun. It's real, I mean, it just, you forget about a time when movies just went for the fucking joke in every single scene. That's what this is.
9:37 Speaker 04 Yeah, well, I'm looking forward to it. I'll pay to see it. That's what you do for your friends. You pay to see it the Friday night it opens in a theater.
9:44 Speaker 01 Absolutely. It's exciting to be excited about a movie coming out.
9:47 Speaker 02 Absolutely. But on that note, it's like, with like the Dix the Musical thing, as it came out, as they it screened at TIFF, Midnight Madness, people were like, this is a future cult classic. And then, and like you say, like Josh and Aaron were like, but wait a minute. We wanted this to be like a current, a hit now.
10:03 Speaker 04 A future cult classic means it bombed.
10:05 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
10:06 Speaker 02 And it it will take like years of fermenting or whatever, or a patina or something.
10:11 Speaker 04 And you can't make a cult movie happen. I mean, I remember when Mommy Dearest, after it came out, they tried to make it a midnight movie. But what, why did not drag queens go to the Melania documentary, dressed as her and shout out stuff like Rocky Horror? Wouldn't that have been the most hilarious protest?
10:28 Speaker 01 Take it back from them.
10:28 Speaker 04 So great it would have been. Well, Republicans have female female impersonators.
10:33 Speaker 01 Mm hmm. It's drag.
10:35 Speaker 04 Yeah.
10:35 Speaker 02 It's it's a gender affirmation.
10:36 Speaker 04 They're women underneath.
10:37 Speaker 01 I can't believe what the drag show that happens at every Republican event now.
10:42 Speaker 04 Well, they all look the same. They all look like elderly porn stars.
10:46 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
10:47 Speaker 04 But I do Fox, whenever I go on the shows, they're nice to me. And I sell so many books when I do Fox. It's amazing.
10:53 Speaker 02 Wow. Are you seeing where the sales are coming from?
10:57 Speaker 04 Like, no.
10:58 Speaker 01 No.
10:59 Speaker 04 I mean, I don't care. You know, if they bought the book, it's certainly not encouraging what they're saying. And they were nice to me on the show. I don't have any trouble, but all the, everybody that works there looks the same.
11:10 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a little odd.
11:11 Speaker 04 Hot, you know, women that look like, I don't know, people said to me, did you ever go to Jeffrey Epstein's? What would I do there? I'd be home, Pussy Island. I would be hiding under a desk. It would have been ducking. No, I didn't go there.
11:25 Speaker 01 No shared interests.
11:26 Speaker 04 Yeah.
11:28 Speaker 02 Do you feel like you have this air of respectability now as you walk in the room?
11:32 Speaker 04 Yes, I'm so respectable I could puke. I said that at the Academy Awards Museum. Yes, but it's great. It's nice. It's not, I'm not, I don't take it as revenge or anything. I think it's just things change.
11:42 Speaker 01 Yeah.
11:43 Speaker 02 At what point did things become cult classics to you in terms of certain films? And I know that's a dirty term.
11:51 Speaker 04 Well, when Pink Flamingos came out right away, it became a midnight thing. So I could tell then it was working and that was totally by audiences. We went to each city at a separate time and did one city at a time. This was before video, before internet or anything. So you'd go to a city, it would start one day a week, then two days, three days, four days. So it took two years for Pink Flamingos to open around the country.
12:12 Speaker 02 But is there a rolling timeline with like Hairspray doing great as it comes out, but then like,
12:20 Speaker 02 but then like Crybaby and then Serial Mom?
12:22 Speaker 04 Hairspray was a hit for real.
12:24 Speaker 02 Yes, yes, yes.
12:25 Speaker 04 Crybaby was definitely not.
12:26 Speaker 02 But then was there this like delayed sort of like push of like? Crybaby then becomes, then becomes a cult hit and then Serial Mom becomes a cult, like, like, do you get what I'm saying?
12:38 Speaker 04 Yes, but I've never gotten profit participation from Crybaby or Serial Mom. They've never broken even.
12:42 Speaker 02 Wow.
12:43 Speaker 01 Wow.
12:44 Speaker 02 Interesting.
12:44 Speaker 04 But they cost a lot of money.
12:46 Speaker 02 Yes, of course.
12:47 Speaker 01 I was wondering about, just because you had, you talk about building a career on bad reviews, et cetera, they accumulate and then suddenly you're working with Johnny Depp on Crybaby and he was truly like, you know, Leo before Leo, like the, the marquee idol. Does a star at that level seek you out because he liked your work?
13:11 Speaker 04 I went to him.
13:12 Speaker 01 You went to him?
13:13 Speaker 04 Because I knew he was like Justin Bieber at the time, he was on the cover of every teen magazine, but he hated that image, "Stick with us, we'll get rid of that."
13:19 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll fuck it up a little bit.
13:20 Speaker 04 And we did. The same way Patty Hearst made a movie with me. She was sick of being a kidnapped victim.
13:25 Speaker 01 You just want to change.
13:26 Speaker 04 And everything changes. I went to a big, uh, big fancy dinner where she was honored and the man sitting at her table, I said, "How do you know Patricia?" And he said, "Well, she robbed the Hibernian Bank, which I own." And he paid $5,000 to have dinner with her.
13:39 Speaker 01 She robbed his bank?
13:40 Speaker 04 Well, when she was in the SLI, I mean, she didn't think it up, she didn't know where the bank was, but still, I mean, it's amazing how things change. It's the same way as what me getting picked by the National Registry picked Pink Flamingos as a great American film. What was the scene in that screening that made him decide that, "Do my balls, mama"? I mean, what line, "The singing asshole"? I'm trying to think what particular scene.
14:04 Speaker 01 I would think both of those things.
14:04 Speaker 04 Well, maybe, but that means they've got a pretty good sense of humor.
14:07 Speaker 02 They placed that movie above The Graduate.
14:11 Speaker 04 That was Variety.
14:12 Speaker 01 Oh, that was Variety.
14:13 Speaker 04 Picked a hundred best comedies, and I was there with Charlie Chaplin. It was hilarious, because when Variety, when the movie first came out, we got one of the best bad reviews everywhere from Variety, and they later said that they were wrong, which was very funny, and I love Variety. I've been reading it since I was 15 years old.
14:28 Speaker 01 Do you remember what they initially had said?
14:29 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah, the most, "Beyond it, the most disgusting film in film history", something really good.
14:35 Speaker 01 Yeah, something very declarative and perfect, marquee.
14:37 Speaker 04 It wasn't, yeah, it wasn't pussyfooting around.
14:39 Speaker 01 Yeah, no, no, no, direct communication.
14:43 Speaker 02 I, we, you have to know, I think, I think I even told you this when we first met, but, um, at, like, almost every other show at SNL, or every table read, we tried, Sarah Sherman and I would try to write in- Me as any character, any old character screaming, "No, Gator, no! No, Gator, no!" From Female Trouble.
15:09 Speaker 04 That's Edith, yeah.
15:10 Speaker 02 That's Edith. And Lauren just like frowning at me, being like, "What are you, why are you screaming? What is this from? Why?"
15:18 Speaker 01 One of our great screamers.
15:19 Speaker 02 And just Sarah and I bonded for the first time because we each had Female Trouble.
15:23 Speaker 04 Well, I was in Sarah's show recently.
15:25 Speaker 02 I know.
15:26 Speaker 04 Which was great fun.
15:27 Speaker 02 Did you watch the whole thing?
15:28 Speaker 04 Of course, and when am I gonna host Saturday Night Live?
15:30 Speaker 02 I don't know!
15:31 Speaker 01 Oh, that would be genius.
15:33 Speaker 02 You would be wonderful.
15:35 Speaker 04 I could write a good one, and with the crew, I could write, it's the only time I could ever write with somebody else.
15:39 Speaker 02 Oh my gosh, I'll come back for that.
15:42 Speaker 04 Alright, good. And you can do Edith.
15:45 Speaker 02 I can do Edith. Wait, I've always, I've meant to ask because I think when we met was right before Leslie Van Houten got paroled.
15:53 Speaker 04 Yeah, I don't talk about that anymore because I'll tell you why, and I get why you ask. There's no such person anymore. She's never gonna talk about it again. She's vanished. It's over.
16:01 Speaker 02 Yes, because, and this actually goes back to what you're saying about, um, everything changes. Like even something as like completely immoral and dark and awful and inhumane about what she was involved in and what she did.
16:15 Speaker 04 Well, immoral when you're 19 and meet the biggest madman on this, but she never blamed him. She never. She said it was her fault for making him a cult leader, so all I'm saying is, uh, I just don't talk about it anymore. Only because it's over. He's dead. It's not over for the victims and nobody's saying that.
16:30 Speaker 02 Yes, yes, yes.
16:31 Speaker 04 I get why the victims, you cannot ask for forgiveness. If they give it, it's amazing. Like Charlie Kirk's wife, the next day, she did say she forgave who did it. That is Christian.
16:43 Speaker 02 It is Christian, for better or for worse.
16:45 Speaker 04 Well, I'm just saying, it's hard to do that. I'm not picking sides. Uh, if somebody killed my mother, could I ever forgive them? That's a, that's a really amazing thing. But I'm not talking about that, I'm just saying that she was paroled correctly and she's out, there's no such person. She's never gonna talk about it. It's over.
17:04 Speaker 02 It's done and there is like, um, and you as a storyteller can understand like the, the ending of something. Like the resolution of something where you're like, there's nothing to talk about.
17:15 Speaker 04 There isn't. It's, the story's been told a million times, it's a terrible story and, uh... What point would it be for her to talk about it? There's no point.
17:23 Speaker 02 I completely understand. I just was always so curious, especially because it's, and we're not going to talk about it anymore, but it's like, oh, it's over, it's done. And like, you wrote such a beautiful essay about-
17:35 Speaker 04 Thank you. And I think that the LA Times editorial, "We should, it is time for her to live amongst us again," made the governor not turn it down.
17:44 Speaker 02 Yes.
17:45 Speaker 04 So the paper that made it the most notorious case in the world also amazingly, and I believe correctly, ended it.
17:56 Speaker 02 And I think through her, you really looked at your own sort of obsession with-
18:02 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah. I was apologized for a lot of stuff.
18:04 Speaker 02 Yes, yes, yes.
18:05 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah. And now True Crime, I mean, when we made Serial Mom, that was a joke on, but now True, that was before True Crime was as popular as it is. And now Serial Mom, it looks like OJ, it was before OJ even.
18:16 Speaker 02 But it wasn't even meant to be prescient, was it? You were just kind of doing something-
18:19 Speaker 04 Well, I was parroting True Crime, definitely.
18:21 Speaker 02 Yes, yes.
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22:15 Speaker 02 Do you talk to Kathleen Turner still?
22:17 Speaker 04 Of course, we're great friends.
22:18 Speaker 02 She's one of the greats.
22:19 Speaker 04 She just played Gertrude Stein onstage.
22:22 Speaker 02 Oh, really?
22:23 Speaker 04 Yeah.
22:23 Speaker 02 Oh, wow. See, I don't keep, I gotta keep up with Kathleen.
22:27 Speaker 01 Kathleen Turner, like, that's, she really, that's a signature presence.
22:33 Speaker 04 Kathleen's great, good friend, funny. She doesn't suffer fools, but she's smart
22:36 Speaker 01 You can tell.
22:37 Speaker 04 and a really good actress.
22:38 Speaker 01 You can tell. Yeah. All right. So we have to ask you, you have your, your preparation
22:43 Speaker 04 I'm prepared. Yeah, yeah.
22:44 Speaker 01 And that is perfect. We have a question that we ask every single person that comes on the show, and that, sir, was what was the culture that made you say, "Culture was for me"? These early influences that made you, when you really look back on it, become John Waters, or start?
22:59 Speaker 04 There was one culture only, and that was being a beatnik. When I read in Life Magazine about 10 years old, I want a bong, goes, "Dayo, dayo."
23:08 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
23:09 Speaker 04 You know, I went to coffee houses where they had poetry. I wanted to wear sandals, dirty sweatshirts.
23:15 Speaker 01 With your feet out.
23:16 Speaker 04 The girls with black nylons with seams in the back and turtlenecks. I still wear turtlenecks to this day.
23:22 Speaker 01 I love it.
23:22 Speaker 04 Because of beatniks. Poetry, oh, coffee houses.
23:25 Speaker 01 Yeah.
23:26 Speaker 04 Interracial couples.
23:27 Speaker 01 Yeah.
23:28 Speaker 04 Howell, City Lights Bookshop, North Beach, Alan Ginsberg and his boyfriend, Peter. That was the first queer beatnik. Junkie, William Burroughs, a junkie queer on top of it. Leroy Jones, I always loved him. And Maynard G. Krabs from Dobie Gillis, the first beatnik. And Malcolm sold the most famous beatnik in Baltimore, who was the star of my first movie. And I just had my first poem published in the Atlantic last month.
23:53 Speaker 01 Come on.
23:54 Speaker 04 Now, I'm officially upbeat.
23:56 Speaker 01 You're a beatnik, you made it. What was your first, um, sort of exposure to this?
24:01 Speaker 04 Life magazine, when I read about beatniks, yeah. Life magazine corrupted me. I read about junkies, homosexuals, beatniks. Have everything Life magazine covered and every family got Life magazine.
24:12 Speaker 01 Yeah, wow.
24:13 Speaker 02 Was this what led you to, to your first LSD trip?
24:18 Speaker 04 Certainly. Beatniks became hippies, hippies became punks. And still now, I'm a beatnik. I went back to being a beatnik.
24:25 Speaker 02 Right.
24:25 Speaker 04 Yeah. Pia Zadora in Harrisburg is a beatnik and reads Howl. And Allen Ginsberg was mad and I had, he was pissed. I asked him if I could use it.
24:34 Speaker 02 Were you, well, cause how old were you, how old were you on the first trip?
24:38 Speaker 04 Uh, the first acid I took was in nineteen sixty-four. It wasn't even illegal till sixty-eight, I believe. And they used it in a mental institution for alcoholism and my friend worked there and he stole it.
24:50 Speaker 02 And it was, oh, he was.
24:51 Speaker 04 It was sandos acid. It was so strong.
24:54 Speaker 01 Was it really, it was stronger than?
24:56 Speaker 04 Yeah. And I never, I did it a lot then and then I stopped and then I did it again for my book when I was seventy years old with Ming Stole. We took acid again and we hadn't in fifty years. It was still good.
25:06 Speaker 01 It was still good?
25:07 Speaker 04 I'd only tell old people to take it, not young people, stupid. The sixties are over. Cause now when your family's concerned and you're old, you say, I'm not that dementia, I'm tripping.
25:16 Speaker 01 Yeah, I'm just vibing.
25:19 Speaker 02 And that's the last time?
25:20 Speaker 04 Yes, I will need to never do it again. And it was no like microdoses, these young pussies take.
25:25 Speaker 01 I know. The little spray you see that people have.
25:29 Speaker 04 Timothy Leary's asshole.
25:30 Speaker 02 Oh my god.
25:32 Speaker 04 It was the best acid I ever took in my whole life.
25:35 Speaker 02 So I did it for the first time at the tender age of like twenty-seven and I still feel like I have holes in my brain.
25:41 Speaker 01 Was that?
25:42 Speaker 04 Oh, so it wasn't a good experience?
25:43 Speaker 02 No, we were not together.
25:44 Speaker 01 Yeah, we were.
25:45 Speaker 04 Was it wasn't good?
25:46 Speaker 02 It was a great experience. I still have a fear that there, that I just have, I took a melon ball or to my, to my, to my, my head. Like, am I, am I less of a person now because of that?
25:57 Speaker 01 He's so much smarter now after it.
25:59 Speaker 04 I think you're probably better. Although some people I took LSD with went crazy, they became drug addicts. So it, it didn't do that to me. I'm not saying that it's for everybody.
26:08 Speaker 02 No, of course.
26:08 Speaker 04 And if you ever see, even Bill, who was the head of AA, who invented it, he wanted people to take acid. Have you ever seen it online when he said, can you see it? That's like the one people in AA don't exactly agree with. Same way Freud was wrong about cocaine. He was right about a lot of things and penis envy is making a comeback.
26:25 Speaker 02 Penis envy is making a comeback.
26:27 Speaker 01 That's a rule of culture, number 30.
26:29 Speaker 02 Penis envy is making a comeback. It's the whole looks maxing thing. Like, yeah, like I connect it to that. It's like, it's like, it's like, there's like this need for male approval and like right wing circles.
26:40 Speaker 04 Well, it's also now, a them told me that when you go home with somebody, now you don't know what you're gonna get. They said, whatever it is, it's politically correct to call it a bonus hole. It is?
26:50 Speaker 01 It's a bonus hole.
26:51 Speaker 04 How do you talk dirty? Get that bonus hole.
26:55 Speaker 01 You get your special, you get my bonus hole.
26:57 Speaker 04 Fuck that dick cocksucker. I don't know. It used to be shut up and blow me. That was the best porn title ever.
27:03 Speaker 01 Shut up and blow me.
27:04 Speaker 04 Yeah, but that's politically incorrect. You can't say that.
27:06 Speaker 01 Is it?
27:07 Speaker 04 I did a photo piece of that headline and all women bought it. Powerful women for their office.
27:12 Speaker 01 Yeah, good.
27:13 Speaker 04 Which I loved.
27:14 Speaker 01 No, I love when we gotta suck my dick from a woman.
27:17 Speaker 04 Yeah.
27:17 Speaker 02 I mean, did you ever, did you, did you watch heated rivalry?
27:20 Speaker 04 Which, oh yes, I did.
27:22 Speaker 02 So that, that I feel like is appealing mostly to, to women.
27:26 Speaker 04 To women, it is, which is amazing to me. And I always heard, and I asked which lesbians, if this is true, and they said, yes, that Bush lesbians like to watch gay men's porn. I don't get why.
27:36 Speaker 01 Literally, my therapist is a lesbian. She, every session, without fail, brings up heated rivalry to the point where I'm therapizing her. I keep being like, so you've brought it up again? And I just wanna ask.
27:49 Speaker 04 They're not supposed to bring up their personal life.
27:50 Speaker 01 But the thing is, I'm just like, at a certain point, I'm like, cuz she always relates in an interesting way. But she is a lesbian who's into heated rivalry.
27:59 Speaker 04 But that's not hardcore. That's softcore. You're gonna watch it. And I asked one, they said, they wanna have the big dicks themselves and imagine it. I guess, I don't know if that's true.
28:08 Speaker 02 Penis envy?
28:09 Speaker 04 No, well.
28:10 Speaker 02 That's a form of penis envy for cis women.
28:12 Speaker 04 Size envy. I don't know.
28:14 Speaker 01 I think it has to do with safety, to be honest with you. I think it has to do with watching like a love and a sex that has nothing to do with you. And therefore, it's kind of like, I feel detached from it and it's kind of nice. I think that's why so many women are fanatical about heated rivalry. Not to say that gay men aren't, but it's different. There is a, there's like a passion towards the show.
28:36 Speaker 04 Yes. Good.
28:38 Speaker 01 Yeah.
28:38 Speaker 04 The new audience they didn't count on.
28:40 Speaker 01 No, and I love that and I love that.
28:41 Speaker 04 The test screenings didn't predict that.
28:43 Speaker 02 No.
28:43 Speaker 01 No, and did you watch Hunting Wives?
28:45 Speaker 04 No.
28:46 Speaker 01 See, that was a lesbian Fantasia in Texas.
28:49 Speaker 04 No, it's so hard to turn on the TV that I have to have three assistants there to help me or I'll be duct taped to my bed.
28:55 Speaker 01 That, that, it's, I.
28:59 Speaker 02 I need, I need the same. I don't, I don't, I barely know how to work the remotes either.
29:02 Speaker 04 I yearn for three channels, rabbit ears and tinfoil. Because so many, it's so hard.
29:08 Speaker 01 It's too much.
29:09 Speaker 04 Sonos update, when I get them, I have to go to a mental institution.
29:12 Speaker 01 I, I, I, I have three Sonos camps.
29:15 Speaker 02 Yes, you can.
29:17 Speaker 04 Mental, I don't think you can say, is that politically incorrect to say?
29:19 Speaker 01 You can say, send me to a mental institution.
29:21 Speaker 04 Oh, I'm on this show, yeah.
29:22 Speaker 01 Then this show is over. If you can't say that, we're ending the show. How about that?
29:26 Speaker 02 I still say I, I need to be institutionalized and I, sometimes I do feel that.
29:29 Speaker 04 Well, Betty Davis had the best line about that when they asked her about Faye Dunaway. She said, she belongs in an institution and I don't mean marriage.
29:39 Speaker 02 My favorite Betty Davis quote is, um, someone asked her, how do you get into Hollywood? And she goes, take Fountain.
29:43 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah, that's great. That's things she learned.
29:45 Speaker 01 And there's always the famous one.
29:46 Speaker 04 And I do take Fountain and I always think of that when I'm there.
29:48 Speaker 02 Is Betty Davis?
29:49 Speaker 04 She lived on Fountain at the end. In a condo, she did, I think, yeah.
29:54 Speaker 02 Favorite Hollywood star of all time?
29:57 Speaker 04 Lana Turner.
29:58 Speaker 01 Oh.
29:59 Speaker 04 And I'm still friends with her daughter Cheryl, the most famous juvenile delinquent in Hollywood who killed Johnny Stompanato. And I had Thanksgiving dinner one year with Cheryl, her lesbian girlfriend, Lily Tomlin, and Lana Turner and myself.
30:13 Speaker 02 How do you find these bank robbers? How, like, do they, do they come to you or do you find?
30:19 Speaker 04 Cheryl was very famous. If you look back on that case, it was one of the most famous cases in the 50s. And in one of my books, I said I wanted to meet her and her hairdresser read it and showed her and she called me.
30:29 Speaker 02 Wow. This is, and this is, this is, this is just a lesser version of what you've probably understood. Is that through this, like, we'll mention one thing or one person and it somehow finds its way to them? And I'm like, that is dangerous. I feel like it does not necessarily, it is not necessarily a force for good for me and my mental health.
30:50 Speaker 04 Because it gets, well, I've always said the only person left I want to meet is Eminem and he still hasn't called me and I've said it for two years.
30:56 Speaker 02 Why? What's, what's the deal?
30:57 Speaker 01 What do you think is his, what do you think is his deal?
30:59 Speaker 04 I'm all for him. Good. He's, maybe he's better than me.
31:04 Speaker 01 I highly doubt that. I, it's because, it's because he was-
31:08 Speaker 04 He's not homophobic. He gave Elton John and David for the wedding matching gold cock rings. He's not homophobic.
31:14 Speaker 02 He's not homophobic, but is that part of the fascination for you? Like that he was so rampant?
31:18 Speaker 04 I just like his record. And I used to go to this redneck bar in Baltimore where it was all white guys dressed like black rappers hung out. And, and every time I walk in, they'd play Puke by Eminem as a tribute to me.
31:29 Speaker 01 Oh, wonderful.
31:30 Speaker 04 So every time I walk in, and I go, hi, and I'd sit down. So it was just a personal thing.
31:36 Speaker 01 So did you get the Eminem of it all when he had first come out? Because I think as young gays, hearing him on the radio say things like faggot and like, you know, like whatever, like stuff like that. I think it bothered us because we had our guards up, but you at that time, hearing his music, it didn't bother you?
31:52 Speaker 02 Didn't bother you.
31:53 Speaker 04 I thought it was like-
31:53 Speaker 01 You were entertained.
31:54 Speaker 04 He was just causing trouble.
31:56 Speaker 01 Yeah.
31:56 Speaker 04 We did. I don't know. I like, because it was just a white person being a rapper was so new and people hadn't seen that. And it was, uh, it was over the edge, but no, I always liked him.
32:06 Speaker 01 Yeah.
32:07 Speaker 02 You love something or someone who chafes something?
32:11 Speaker 04 Who does something first and changes how we think about them, which he did do.
32:15 Speaker 02 Yeah, absolutely.
32:17 Speaker 04 Puke, you can play the record. Maybe you can play the record at the beginning of the show or put it under me now.
32:22 Speaker 02 We'll put it under. It'll score.
32:23 Speaker 04 Blend it.
32:25 Speaker 02 We will pay for the rights.
32:26 Speaker 01 Lightly throughout the episode.
32:28 Speaker 04 Yes.
32:29 Speaker 02 I think we can make it happen on the show. Eminem, if, if Eminem's team, people are getting this. What would you, what, what would you like that encounter to be? Where would you want to be? What are you guys doing?
32:39 Speaker 04 Oh, just in private, so we're not exploiting it.
32:42 Speaker 02 Of course.
32:43 Speaker 01 Come to Pete Town, Eminem.
32:44 Speaker 04 Yeah.
32:45 Speaker 02 Yes.
32:45 Speaker 01 They'll love you. I always said-
32:47 Speaker 04 Sing Puke to me, please.
32:50 Speaker 02 Sacron puke. And this is, this is something that you cherish, right? Like, you don't want these interactions to be for public consumption.
32:57 Speaker 04 No, no, and if he wanted to talk about, you know, it's just the kind of thing. I have met almost every famous person I ever want to meet. And I'm not bragging, but just I've been doing this. I'm 80 years old, I've been doing it for 50 years.
33:08 Speaker 02 Yeah.
33:09 Speaker 04 And, uh, and that's thrilling, it's exciting. And, and they like to meet you too, it's fun. But, uh, at the same time, I have great friends that are not famous. Many, my closest friends are not famous and I've had for 50 years. And I don't trust people that don't have old friends.
33:25 Speaker 02 Absolutely. I feel like I'm now getting to the point where my old friends are college friends, but I feel like I did a full hard reset once I got moved to New York.
33:35 Speaker 04 Mm-hmm.
33:36 Speaker 02 I feel like Matt's, Matt's really good because he grew up in Long Island, relatively close, like you still have a connection to like those people that you grew up with.
33:42 Speaker 01 I'm still, I'm still.
33:43 Speaker 04 But Facebook friend, that's not a friend.
33:45 Speaker 01 No, no, no.
33:45 Speaker 04 You have to work at it, you have to go out.
33:47 Speaker 01 You have to.
33:47 Speaker 04 You have to get your hair done, you have to make, see them in person, you have to go to their house. It's not just that, it's easy to do that, but to be a real friend is work.
33:56 Speaker 01 Yeah, it is. And I, what's that, what's that they say? Like discomfort is, um, is a, is a friend of community. Like in order to like really maintain community, you have to just make yourselves a little uncomfortable sometimes. Like maybe you haven't seen someone in a long time, get out there to dinner and go see them. I try to see my old friends at least twice a year.
34:14 Speaker 04 Yeah.
34:15 Speaker 01 And then, you know, it's funny, you say college friends are now old friends. That was technically half our life.
34:20 Speaker 02 I know.
34:21 Speaker 01 You know what I mean? Like, which just feels like it went by like that, but you know, I've known you half my life.
34:25 Speaker 02 I've known you, oh yeah, that's crazy.
34:26 Speaker 01 That's kind of wild.
34:27 Speaker 04 My best friend is Pat Moran, who's won, you know, she's cast all my movies, she cast The Wire, she's won Emmys.
34:33 Speaker 01 Wow, wow.
34:33 Speaker 04 We met because we had the same boyfriend and I've known her for 60 years and we've talked every single day for 60 years.
34:39 Speaker 01 So was it hard having the same boyfriend at first?
34:42 Speaker 04 Not really.
34:43 Speaker 01 No.
34:43 Speaker 04 They're both dead and we're friends.
34:47 Speaker 02 Who had him last?
34:50 Speaker 04 I'm not gonna say that.
34:51 Speaker 02 Who had him best?
34:53 Speaker 01 I'm sorry.
34:54 Speaker 02 I, I, I really admire, this is the thing that I maybe took for granted is that you do have this wonderful protectiveness over information and people and lives.
35:04 Speaker 04 My personal life, nobody knows.
35:07 Speaker 02 Interesting.
35:08 Speaker 04 I mean, I don't hide it, but none of the people, none of the boyfriends I have want to be in the
35:12 Speaker 02 Exactly. And yet you're still, you're still, you're still known, you're still in the Agora, you're still like, it's, I, I, I do find it, you, you were also my first exposure into what P-Town was.
35:23 Speaker 04 Yeah, this is my 63rd summer there.
35:25 Speaker 01 I was gonna ask, yeah. So you've seen it all there?
35:29 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah. I used to be friends with Norman Mailer. I worked in the bookshop. I waited on Robert Motherwell.
35:33 Speaker 01 You worked in the bookshop?
35:35 Speaker 04 The premise on bookshop was my main job. The old one where the porthole building is, is a pot shop now. It's now across the street. But I worked there and I worked before that for Molly Malone Cook and Mary Oliver before she was famous. She was my boss and she was huddled on the back in a pea coat acting crazy.
35:52 Speaker 01 Wow.
35:53 Speaker 04 But, uh, that's when I, I thought she's turned in her grave when I had a poem published last week.
35:58 Speaker 01 Oh, so she's so proud.
36:00 Speaker 02 He's a beatnik.
36:01 Speaker 04 I was with her when she won the Pulitzer, when she got her award or whatever award she got, Pulitzer, I think, yeah. And so I knew him forever and I worked in both the bookshops there. That was my education.
36:11 Speaker 01 Yeah.
36:11 Speaker 02 Did you ever do those, because now that you have those artist residencies and those shacks on the beach?
36:16 Speaker 04 Yeah, I don't wanna be out there.
36:18 Speaker 01 We took the, um...
36:19 Speaker 04 You know, it's fun for an hour. I'm not lugging water out there.
36:22 Speaker 02 No, there's no plumbing. You shit in the sand.
36:25 Speaker 04 No, thank you.
36:25 Speaker 02 No, thank you.
36:26 Speaker 01 We did like the, the, the Jeep tour out there.
36:29 Speaker 04 That's good.
36:30 Speaker 01 I couldn't believe how far out.
36:31 Speaker 04 No, it's great, but I'm not lugging my stuff out there.
36:33 Speaker 02 No, no, no, certainly not. Not you.
36:36 Speaker 04 Have a coyote come shit on me.
36:38 Speaker 02 At this juncture, no. I'm saying like you are, you still, you still expose yourself, but you are protective of others.
36:47 Speaker 04 Yes.
36:47 Speaker 02 Yes.
36:48 Speaker 04 I don't tell dirt about people that don't want it. No, I never do. I never say mean things about people. I learned a long time ago, because then I sit next to them at a dinner.
36:57 Speaker 02 Literally, yeah. It doesn't matter when.
36:59 Speaker 04 Yeah.
37:00 Speaker 02 Yeah. And I think, okay, and thank you for bringing this up, because I think this is what Matt and I have learned. Because we used to kind of speak a little too freely on this. You know what I mean?
37:09 Speaker 04 Well, then you don't know. I've had to sit next to critics who gave me terrible reviews. They're uptight, too.
37:14 Speaker 02 Yeah. And they're nervous to meet you.
37:17 Speaker 04 Well, they don't want to sit next to me at dinner. It's irresponsible hosts that put you there.
37:23 Speaker 01 Or it was a devious host that was doing what they want to do.
37:26 Speaker 04 But I'm fine with it.
37:28 Speaker 01 Yeah. Yeah, well, you can handle whatever.
37:30 Speaker 02 You can handle whatever. I feel like there is this, you, I have Mr. Know-It-All, which I bought in Boston. I have my hard copy with me, if you will sign it later.
37:43 Speaker 04 Of course I will.
37:44 Speaker 02 Thank you. But was that why?
37:46 Speaker 04 Probably asked me to change a flat.
37:48 Speaker 02 And I have a flat you have to change.
37:50 Speaker 04 If I had to change a flat tire or die, I'd have to die.
37:52 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's the thing.
37:53 Speaker 04 If I had to open the hood of my car or die, I'd have to die.
37:55 Speaker 01 So have you always chosen partners that this is a thing they can do handy?
37:59 Speaker 04 They can all do it better than I can.
38:00 Speaker 02 Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. We've had, we've had conversations here with other, with gay men of all, of all stripes who are like.
38:07 Speaker 01 All persuasions.
38:07 Speaker 02 All persuasions who are like, if I'm forced to do anything manual, like I choose death.
38:12 Speaker 01 No, if the grid goes down, we were sat, like a couple of friends of ours, they're, they're talking about getting guns for when the grid goes down.
38:18 Speaker 04 Well, you know, there is gays against guns, which I'm for, but then I saw somebody with a shirt on that said, "Give fags guns," which made me laugh, too.
38:25 Speaker 01 That made you laugh more.
38:26 Speaker 04 Yeah. I don't know.
38:27 Speaker 01 Well, these gays are like, when the grid goes down, we're both getting guns. I'm like, babe, when the grid goes down, I'm out of here.
38:32 Speaker 04 I'll shoot myself in my leg if I had a gun.
38:35 Speaker 01 You're never the only one that said that.
38:36 Speaker 04 I shot a gun once. A biker, a straight biker I know took me in his Cadillac limousine, broken down thing, and we shot machine guns in the woods, and it was fun.
38:44 Speaker 02 Your first gun was a machine gun?
38:46 Speaker 04 Only gun.
38:48 Speaker 01 First and only gun. Listen.
38:50 Speaker 04 With a real biker to a straight guy, no.
38:52 Speaker 01 And you, so you knew him enough that?
38:55 Speaker 04 Well, he invited me.
38:56 Speaker 01 Yeah, sure.
38:57 Speaker 04 And it wasn't like to, no, I blew him.
38:59 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
39:00 Speaker 04 It wasn't like that.
39:01 Speaker 01 No, it was just machine guns in the woods.
39:03 Speaker 04 He's in one of my movies, he's in Desperate Living, he plays Eater. He has the line, "You can suck my royal hemorrhoids, you fat pig." That's his only line in the movie.
39:11 Speaker 01 Only line in cinema.
39:13 Speaker 02 And was, and, and what year was this that you shot the gun?
39:16 Speaker 04 Seventy-seven.
39:17 Speaker 02 Okay, so, at that point, you'd already, like, given guns, you'd already used guns in your films.
39:23 Speaker 04 In Pink Flamingos, that gun that Devine shoot is a real gun with real bullets in it that just the unit photographer happened to own. We had no safety, I don't know, we're lucky, you know?
39:34 Speaker 02 Yeah.
39:35 Speaker 04 I mean, there was nobody standing in front of him when he shot it.
39:37 Speaker 02 Sure, sure, sure.
39:38 Speaker 04 Devine certainly didn't, was not pistol safety. It was not one of his top things at the time.
39:44 Speaker 01 And did you, and did you have an intimacy coordinator on that set?
39:47 Speaker 04 I always imagine when intimacy, "Do you mind eating shit? Is that okay?" Which, and intimacy.
39:53 Speaker 01 How do you feel eating shit?
39:54 Speaker 04 And even in my last movie, A Dirty Shame, all the extras had to make out and hump with each other for hours every night. They didn't know each other. They just started laughing. I read, I read a thing about Pasolini Sala where they were underage and nude in it, and they said, "We had the best time." And when he'd say, "Cut," we'd just start laughing. We had the best time.
40:12 Speaker 02 What I will appreciate intimacy coordinators, let's say on Pink Flamingos, they would have said, "This is how, this, this is how I would eat shit just so you, just so you have a way in and you don't have to second guess it."
40:23 Speaker 04 Did you ever work with?
40:25 Speaker 02 I've, I've worked with, uh, one and, and-
40:27 Speaker 04 And what was the scene that they had to advise you on?
40:30 Speaker 02 Right, so, you're gonna love this. It was, it was just two guys making out at the club. And I was like, "I've, I've had experience doing this."
40:37 Speaker 04 Was it a stranger?
40:39 Speaker 02 It was not-
40:40 Speaker 04 Was it an extra?
40:41 Speaker 02 It was, it was my love interest in the movie.
40:43 Speaker 04 Oh, so it was someone that you worked with every day? That's just called act?
40:46 Speaker 02 Right.
40:47 Speaker 04 That's stunt work, maybe?
40:48 Speaker 02 But they did, they did give, like, actually good, like, blocking, like, camera, sort of-
40:52 Speaker 04 Well, that's different than-
40:54 Speaker 02 And this is, and-
40:55 Speaker 04 Not a lot of tongue.
40:56 Speaker 02 Not a lot of tongue, and, and I think, and I think this was, this was something that I maybe, I appreciated that knowledge, right? And it's, I, I think, um, I, I wasn't, I obviously would never wish an intimacy coordinator upon you.
41:12 Speaker 04 They'd run.
41:14 Speaker 01 They'd run.
41:14 Speaker 04 They'd just run.
41:15 Speaker 01 They would run.
41:17 Speaker 04 We had, for my last novel, my only novel, Liar Mouth, have to give it to a sensitivity editor and she never called us back. We could never find her again and she quit.
41:27 Speaker 01 She didn't exist.
41:29 Speaker 04 No, there was. It was a famous one and she was a big editor and she refused to respond.
41:34 Speaker 02 But then it got published.
41:37 Speaker 04 Yeah.
41:38 Speaker 02 So then it was fine.
41:39 Speaker 04 I had a great editor, Jonathan Galassi, who had faith in his own filth.
41:43 Speaker 01 Maybe she was like, if I were to impose sensitivity on this, it would lose what makes it special. So why would I do that? They never think that way.
41:51 Speaker 04 They wouldn't have a job.
41:51 Speaker 01 Yeah.
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46:05 Speaker 01 One thing, cause just to speak on intimacy coordinator, did you use it for Fire Island?
46:10 Speaker 04 Uh, not really, no.
46:12 Speaker 01 But my, but my thing was like a thing where I was like, the character was drugged and in a sexual situation. So then it became a thing of like, she was just kind of like administering like safety on it. But I do think like it's, it's, it's wildly different when it comes to like, it, it depends what your film is depicting.
46:29 Speaker 04 Yes.
46:30 Speaker 01 You know what I mean? Like the intimacy coordinator, I hear the conversation about it happening. I think it's a really fascinating conversation to hear when you speak to filmmakers like who have been working for a long, long time. This sort of like confusion towards it. And now it's so industry standard that I just wonder how that rubs with people that have been working.
46:49 Speaker 04 I hated filming sex scenes. I never liked it. It's embarrassing.
46:52 Speaker 01 Cause it's awkward?
46:53 Speaker 04 To me it is, you know, like do this, you know, I just want to make him comfortable. But I mean, and Pink Fomingo's divine really gives head.
46:59 Speaker 01 Yeah. Was that real?
47:01 Speaker 04 Yeah.
47:01 Speaker 01 Wow.
47:02 Speaker 04 And to a straight guy and he started laughing. They were friends. He didn't get hard, you know? But he had to yell, do my balls mama. One of the rudest lines in the movie.
47:11 Speaker 01 Rude. Do my balls mama.
47:12 Speaker 04 Imagine the intimacy coordinator on that. Do you mind saying that?
47:16 Speaker 01 Yeah. So when I, how I would say it is, yeah.
47:20 Speaker 04 Go ahead.
47:20 Speaker 01 No, no, I was doing.
47:22 Speaker 04 You were gonna give me a line reading.
47:24 Speaker 01 I probably.
47:24 Speaker 02 Do a line reading.
47:27 Speaker 01 It's just do my balls in the last word. I was on the land, mama. Do my balls mama.
47:32 Speaker 04 Good. I did my audio books, my, of all my screenplays came up and I play every role in all six movies. So it's, and I had to yell, do my balls mama. I'd look over at the technician thinking, Jesus. I hope they were prepared for this. Cause when you're reading your own book and it's dirty, it's more mortifying. It sounds filthier when you read it out loud than when you write it or read it.
47:53 Speaker 02 But, and then like with, with that much time passing, you're like, oh, I didn't, I didn't realize.
47:59 Speaker 04 I know. Well, certainly those lines, you can't like now, I can say fuck on national network television, but I can't say fat on PBS.
48:11 Speaker 02 And which would you rather say?
48:12 Speaker 04 Both.
48:13 Speaker 01 Fat fuck.
48:13 Speaker 02 Both, of course.
48:14 Speaker 01 He'd rather say fat fuck on fucks.
48:16 Speaker 04 Yeah.
48:17 Speaker 02 I, okay, so Mr. Know-It-All, I think, was that where you coined filth elder?
48:22 Speaker 04 Maybe, I don't remember. Yeah, I did call myself that, but I did not call myself the Pope of Trash, William Burroughs.
48:27 Speaker 02 William Burroughs did.
48:28 Speaker 04 And all those other titles the press made up. The only thing I ever called myself was a filth elder, which is not exactly bragging.
48:34 Speaker 01 But do you love Pope of Trash?
48:37 Speaker 04 Sure, because William Burroughs said it. It's like being anointed from God.
48:40 Speaker 02 Of course. I have that shirt too. I have the John Monder's Pope of Trash shirt.
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48:55 Speaker 04 And puke bags we have, all through Seth Bogart's company, and he did these, but we have a whole new line. Wait till you see what we got coming out soon.
49:02 Speaker 02 I framed the puke bags from the 50th anniversary screening of Pink Flamingos from P-Town.
49:06 Speaker 01 Yeah, we were in P-Town for that.
49:07 Speaker 04 That's right.
49:08 Speaker 01 Yeah.
49:08 Speaker 04 That's where we met.
49:09 Speaker 02 That's where we met, and that was one of my favorite nights. It was my first time in P-Town. We were seeing the 50th anniversary of Pink Flamingos.
49:16 Speaker 01 They were showing Fire Island at the phone booth.
49:18 Speaker 04 Yeah, with Fire Island, we saw it, yeah.
49:19 Speaker 02 Yeah. But filth elder, do you feel like there are filth proteges? Do you feel like there are preeminent?
49:25 Speaker 04 Sure. I mean, there's young people that, don't imitate me, the ones that do, I don't like at some. I don't like the work that they're just trying to be shocking without being funny or witty. But they're certainly young filmmakers that surprise me. They're mostly French, like Gaspar Noé and Bruno de Mond and all these kind of young filmmakers that are making. I love Eddington. I loved, uh, Serat was, did you see that movie?
49:46 Speaker 01 Oh.
49:47 Speaker 04 It is so good. So I'm just saying, there's still great movies out there, definitely.
49:51 Speaker 02 Yes, but none have this kind of like, I don't know, there's just a good-heartedness to all your films. Is that fair to say?
49:59 Speaker 04 Yes, I think I was, I made fun of things I loved my whole life, not that I hated, and maybe that's why. Including I started by making fun of myself by calling my films trash epics and everything.
50:09 Speaker 01 You know, I think that's one of the things that immediately, so one of the, we asked this question, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? And one of my answers to that is I was 10 years old and my parents took me to see Hairspray on Broadway and Good Morning Baltimore. I think that what jumped out about it the most for me was the fact that she was so joyfully, joyously singing about and playing in her world of filth.
50:35 Speaker 04 Even when she's getting flashed.
50:36 Speaker 01 Who lives next door.
50:37 Speaker 04 I played the flasher in Adam Shankman.
50:39 Speaker 01 Yep, yep.
50:40 Speaker 04 Typecast.
50:41 Speaker 01 Perfect. But there is, there is something about that. It's one of the, one of the things I think is the most unfortunate things in the world is people who take themselves seriously. And so watching her just immediately eschew all of that, but she loved her life and she was so self-confident. She was so proud of the place she came from, even though it was garbage, you know? And in that way, it then wasn't garbage and she saw hope in it and she saw possibility and future in it and she just went for it. That, I think, it being made into a musical and then into a movie musical, that message keeps getting delivered to kids and it's important.
51:22 Speaker 04 You can't screw up Hairspray, even a bad version of it.
51:25 Speaker 01 No, yeah, yeah.
51:26 Speaker 04 Because the characters, Tracy stands for anybody ever that was hassled for being different in any kind of way, who takes what they were hassled by, exaggerates it and wins.
51:35 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
51:36 Speaker 04 That's all you can do. If they use something against you, own it, grab it, say, yes, I am, and then make it worse.
51:41 Speaker 01 Takes a long time to learn that, though. And I feel like, you know, her, like, that, that, it's, it's just an important thing. It's like that thing that makes you different is what makes you special. That's like the twee way of saying it, but it's that you said it.
51:54 Speaker 04 We haven't heard that term in a long time.
51:56 Speaker 02 We love saying twee.
51:57 Speaker 04 I like it too. And when you speak that way, though, there's a whole language called something.
52:01 Speaker 01 You know, I'm so allergic to it, but like, I'm sure we could do it. We could get all twee with each other.
52:07 Speaker 02 John Waters. John Waters' films really break the mold of what's acceptable. Like, it's like, it's like, it's that kind of like, I don't know, and we do that all the time. We're guilty of that in earnest, but like, we love to make fun of it, too. I think that's, that's like our, that's us making fun of ourselves, the way that you were making fun of yourself.
52:24 Speaker 04 Well, it's important to do that.
52:25 Speaker 01 We are not twee. I, I, I am gonna reject. Check this.
52:28 Speaker 04 No, I don't think there are either.
52:29 Speaker 01 Thank you so much.
52:31 Speaker 02 Um, I feel like the, the beatnik thing though is, is what developed a good taste for you. And so then you learned the rules and then you were able to revel in bad taste.
52:41 Speaker 04 Well, I was able to realize like a dirty T-shirt could be great.
52:45 Speaker 02 Yeah.
52:45 Speaker 04 Bad, but uh, I don't know. It was, beatniks outraged people at the time when they came out. And it was the first thing I saw rebellion that I wanted to do. I always say the first record you buy as a child, no matter how young that your parents hate, that's the beginning of the soundtrack of your life.
53:03 Speaker 02 Wow.
53:05 Speaker 04 What a terrible thing to like your children's music. That stunts your child. If you say, oh, I love that record.
53:12 Speaker 02 You're like, damn.
53:13 Speaker 04 Find him on you until you hate it.
53:15 Speaker 02 You're so right.
53:16 Speaker 01 It's true.
53:17 Speaker 02 You're so right. I, yeah, and I, I think that, uh, bad taste or good taste, whatever side it, it falls on is, is just compensating for like the thing that you were lacking, maybe.
53:32 Speaker 04 I was drilled good taste and you have to learn those rules to make fun of bad taste.
53:36 Speaker 02 Yeah.
53:36 Speaker 04 And so I thank my parents for that.
53:38 Speaker 02 Well, like what did that, like, how did that show up for your parents? Like they were like, this is how you wear?
53:42 Speaker 04 Oh my God, they, my mother thought you should die if you wore white shoes after.
53:46 Speaker 02 Like in serial?
53:47 Speaker 01 Really?
53:47 Speaker 04 I'm still right wing on that.
53:50 Speaker 01 You're right wing on white after Labor Day.
53:52 Speaker 04 You can't wear velvet before Thanksgiving. You can't wear patent leather before Easter. I believe you should die if you do that.
53:58 Speaker 02 Like in Serial Mom. Who, who was that actress who was also in Crybaby? Like the, the woman, the juror who gets murdered in Serial?
54:04 Speaker 04 Patty Hearst.
54:05 Speaker 02 Patty, that's Patty Hearst, of course. Oh my gosh. Just fashions change.
54:08 Speaker 04 No, it hasn't.
54:10 Speaker 02 Kills her.
54:11 Speaker 04 Yeah, I know.
54:12 Speaker 02 Kills her.
54:12 Speaker 04 Patty really takes that hit well. Even Kathleen said, better than any stunt woman I've ever worked.
54:17 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
54:18 Speaker 01 Really did.
54:19 Speaker 02 But I, I think this is so, like, I, I was like reading something about like the, where, how bad taste shows up. And it's in these cultures, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna throw these out there. People can come for me, but it's like, uh, between like Russian gaudiness and like some kinds of Asian gaudiness, like Saudi gaudiness, like these are all from.
54:40 Speaker 04 It's hair hoppers. People that spend too much time on their hair without iron.
54:46 Speaker 02 Iron.
54:46 Speaker 04 Without irony and act rich when they're not.
54:50 Speaker 02 Because, because they're.
54:51 Speaker 04 Show labels and, and look the same as everybody with no iron.
54:55 Speaker 02 Hair hair.
54:56 Speaker 04 A hair hopper. You shouldn't, Swiss people know how to be rich. You hide it.
55:00 Speaker 02 Yeah, because it's coming from like, like, uh, in, let's say, like, in all these parts of the world that I just, just kind of rattled off. It's like because they were coming from like desolate, really, really just, uh, austere places, right? Where like, oh, you didn't have the nice, you had no idea. You had no access to anything.
55:19 Speaker 04 Well, maybe the tyranny of good taste they never grew up with. That isn't a sort of an American or British thing.
55:25 Speaker 02 Mm hmm. Which is what you grew up with with your parents.
55:27 Speaker 04 Yeah.
55:28 Speaker 02 This tyrannical sense of like, this is what you have to do.
55:30 Speaker 04 Well, they were very opinionated on and they taught me what was right and wrong. And I'm not sorry they did. I'll, still use a lot of the stuff that they taught me.
55:39 Speaker 02 Yeah.
55:39 Speaker 04 And, but yet they were horrified by the movies I made right up to the end, but they supported me doing it. They were, and they were, which is amazing. And my parents had a happy 70 year marriage. So I give them great credit.
55:51 Speaker 02 Wow. And then that also expands your palate in terms of like, um, like I've always, I love, I, I think,
55:59 Speaker 02 I think I got my first like, sort of written sense of like, come to Garçon, like Ray Kawakubo stuff from role models. Or I was like, oh yeah. Like you still have this appreciation for like, like the current fashion. Do you still go to, to metal shows?
56:14 Speaker 04 Yeah, I went to, I went to, uh, see, uh, Nine Inch Nails just recently.
56:18 Speaker 02 We went to Nine Inch Nails.
56:20 Speaker 04 I saw him in LA at Anaheim.
56:22 Speaker 02 Oh, wasn't it fabulous?
56:23 Speaker 04 The audience is really, I just like looking at the audience at all these shows.
56:27 Speaker 02 It's wild.
56:28 Speaker 04 Yeah.
56:28 Speaker 02 It was, it was like, it was horri, like, it's time for, for faggots to love Nine Inch Nails again.
56:32 Speaker 04 Oh, I go to heavy metal. I just like to look at the kids.
56:35 Speaker 02 What are you looking for? What, like, cause, cause you're observing.
56:37 Speaker 04 Something new, some new thing. And I just think they look great and they're having fun. And they always, I'm always the oldest person there. Ever since William Burroughs died. I'm the oldest person.
56:46 Speaker 02 Uh huh. Yeah.
56:47 Speaker 04 And, uh, not that I'm the same, but he was always the oldest when I were, and it went anywhere.
56:52 Speaker 02 Yeah.
56:52 Speaker 04 And, uh, so, uh, no, I just like to see the energy of it. I'd like to see, I hate old people like my age that say, we had more fun. No, you didn't.
57:01 Speaker 02 No, you didn't.
57:01 Speaker 04 Just don't know what's going on.
57:02 Speaker 02 Yeah, fun adapted.
57:03 Speaker 04 I would have been a hacker. I would have been a hacker. Except they have bad clothes. They have poor posture.
57:11 Speaker 01 Yeah.
57:12 Speaker 04 They're just hunched over the computer.
57:13 Speaker 01 Hackers should be using those, um, the standing desks with the treadmill they walk on.
57:18 Speaker 04 Yeah.
57:18 Speaker 01 You're gonna do great hackers.
57:20 Speaker 02 So hacker clothes, like you can't do...
57:22 Speaker 04 That's normcore.
57:23 Speaker 02 Yeah. Because you, there's, there's no clay on the table for you to mold around.
57:27 Speaker 04 No, there's no rebellion look for a hacker. Cause you gotta blend in.
57:30 Speaker 01 Yeah.
57:31 Speaker 04 And when you're out, you don't wanna get in the dark web, you don't dress for it.
57:36 Speaker 01 What do you think of like, the, the people still debating what camp is now?
57:41 Speaker 04 That they're old queens, that the last movie they saw was Rita Hayworth.
57:47 Speaker 04 I don't know anybody that would say the word camp.
57:49 Speaker 02 Yeah, you've never, you don't say it.
57:51 Speaker 04 No, that word was over in ninth, after Susan Sontag wrote about it.
57:55 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
57:56 Speaker 04 It was like sitting in an antique store, under Tiffany lampshade, talking about Betty Grable movies.
58:02 Speaker 02 Holy moly.
58:04 Speaker 04 Then it became, camp became, I don't know, trash, then it became filth, now it's just American humor.
58:11 Speaker 01 Yeah, now it's just Met Gala.
58:12 Speaker 04 It's just funny.
58:13 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
58:15 Speaker 02 Like, your stuff will always be singular, it will never be like, um, even as I'm wearing merch, even as you're at the academy, even though, even as it's being like institutionally recognized, it will always have this, like, like this, this, this, this fingerprint of like, this is fucked up.
58:31 Speaker 04 It's worse now.
58:33 Speaker 02 You think it's worse now?
58:34 Speaker 04 Yes, because of political correctness.
58:35 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
58:36 Speaker 04 You can't even say happy birthday fatso, you can't say that anymore. Like, there, the stuff in there, you can't say any of this shit, that's worse than it ever was, and yet still, nobody gets mad.
58:47 Speaker 02 Have you heard about this movie, The Drama? Uh, with Zendaya and Robert Pattinson?
58:50 Speaker 04 Oh, I'm dying to see it though.
58:51 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's interesting.
58:52 Speaker 02 I think you'd love it, I think you'd love it, I think there's a lot of, um...
58:53 Speaker 04 I'm a big fan of him.
58:54 Speaker 02 He's wonderful.
58:55 Speaker 04 And he takes chances in all movies.
58:56 Speaker 01 Yes, he does.
58:57 Speaker 02 Yes, he does. Um, and, uh...
59:00 Speaker 04 I'm dying to see it. Isn't it the same, didn't Ari Aster executive producer?
59:04 Speaker 01 He did.
59:05 Speaker 04 And I love Ari Aster.
59:05 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was, I was gonna say.
59:07 Speaker 04 Remember the movie about sleeping dogs lie, where the girl tells her boyfriend, everybody's playing, tell the truth, and she says she blew her dog?
59:15 Speaker 02 Uh huh.
59:16 Speaker 04 This is the same kind of genre?
59:19 Speaker 01 It's the same conceit where.
59:21 Speaker 04 I know, I know the secret, don't tell.
59:23 Speaker 01 Yeah.
59:23 Speaker 02 But in that way, she like confesses to this deep dark secret, right? And it's about like, um, you know, gun violence and, and it's, it's, it's.
59:32 Speaker 04 No, I know what it's about. I'm dying to see it. That's the next movie I'm paying to see.
59:35 Speaker 02 Yeah, I, I think about female trouble all the time where Divine literally shoots up the audience.
59:40 Speaker 04 Who wants to die for art? That's so politically incorrect after that happened for real.
59:44 Speaker 01 Yeah.
59:45 Speaker 02 Yes.
59:45 Speaker 04 That puts it in a whole different weirdness.
59:48 Speaker 01 That's really what it is. And I almost.
59:50 Speaker 04 But no one ever complained about that.
59:52 Speaker 01 I've literally like 10 years ago, you could make gun violence jokes. You, we, we would do it like back at like UCB and stuff like we were doing sketch comedy like there would, there would be, it was maybe this is just young people doing comedy and sketch comedy and like doing what they think was funny. But a common thing was for a gun to come out. You know what I mean?
1:00:10 Speaker 04 Oh, I put one up Mink's ass in Desperate Living. I cringe at that.
1:00:14 Speaker 01 It would make people nervous now.
1:00:16 Speaker 04 Made people nervous then.
1:00:17 Speaker 01 Yeah, really nervous now though, that it's like.
1:00:20 Speaker 04 No, even, even the, the Pink Flamingo thing with Divine with the gun, sometimes they exit out and stuff.
1:00:27 Speaker 01 Really?
1:00:28 Speaker 04 Well, because it's, yeah.
1:00:30 Speaker 01 Literally triggering.
1:00:31 Speaker 04 And everybody and politicians in Baltimore always say, how can we make this city better? I said, don't. Just put out a bumper sticker, The Wire, it's still like that.
1:00:42 Speaker 02 And that's supposed to make it better?
1:00:43 Speaker 04 Well.
1:00:44 Speaker 01 You have to create your own reality.
1:00:45 Speaker 04 Let me tell you, The Wire in Japan, they love it.
1:00:49 Speaker 01 Really?
1:00:49 Speaker 04 Internationally, one of the most known and loved things about Baltimore. It's one of the best TV shows ever now. So why do we hide that?
1:00:57 Speaker 02 Why do we hide that? I mean, do you know if your movies play in Japan?
1:01:02 Speaker 04 Oh, I've been there with them.
1:01:04 Speaker 02 And they love it there?
1:01:05 Speaker 04 Yeah, they're great.
1:01:05 Speaker 01 Oh, they must do.
1:01:06 Speaker 04 Becker was a huge hit because they love Eddie Furlong. They love hairless, androgynous men.
1:01:11 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:01:12 Speaker 04 Leonardo to them is, you know, so Sylvester Stallone? They would so gag. Like the Bears, they don't get that.
1:01:22 Speaker 02 They, there's, there's, there's a very specific subculture of bears in, in Japan. They have, they have eagles. They have multiple eagle locations.
1:01:28 Speaker 04 Oh, okay. Well, the eagle's everywhere.
1:01:31 Speaker 02 Yeah, right.
1:01:31 Speaker 04 There's just not a young person ever in one. Because SNM does look stupid on young people.
1:01:37 Speaker 02 You think so?
1:01:37 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:01:39 Speaker 02 What do you make of pups, of these?
1:01:41 Speaker 01 What do you make of pups?
1:01:42 Speaker 02 Of these twinks who go around, and they're not all twinks.
1:01:44 Speaker 04 Lock them up.
1:01:44 Speaker 02 I'm just kidding.
1:01:46 Speaker 01 Like the rest of the dogs.
1:01:47 Speaker 04 Adult babies. Lock those fuckers up.
1:01:51 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:01:51 Speaker 04 Yeah, I mean, I don't get it, but you can be whatever you want, but however, aren't plushies lesbians?
1:01:58 Speaker 02 I'm not sure.
1:01:59 Speaker 04 A lot.
1:01:59 Speaker 01 I think they can be anything.
1:02:01 Speaker 04 But I went to plushy night accidentally once in the Eagle in Baltimore, and it was mostly lesbians. And I thought, I didn't know that.
1:02:08 Speaker 02 Huh. And plushies are different from furries?
1:02:11 Speaker 04 No, I think it's the same.
1:02:13 Speaker 02 It's the same. I just, I just.
1:02:14 Speaker 04 Who wants to get dressed up like a fucking stuffed animal and have sex? It's too hot.
1:02:18 Speaker 01 It's so warm, yeah. But then I think probably something else takes over in the brain that it's satisfying, where you don't think about how it's hot, you only think about how it's satisfying.
1:02:27 Speaker 04 Maybe.
1:02:28 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:02:28 Speaker 04 Maybe. There's some things that lose me, adult babies, when I see them, and their fag hags are called mommies, and they nurse them, and if you're sitting in a bouncy chair at 60, weighing 100, 200 pounds, lock them up. I ain't marching for them.
1:02:43 Speaker 02 No, no one's marching for them.
1:02:45 Speaker 04 Yeah, some people are.
1:02:47 Speaker 01 Some people are.
1:02:48 Speaker 04 The rights of adult babies, not me.
1:02:50 Speaker 01 Well, have you watched, have you checked in on, I guess, the closest thing to the chaos, like Euphoria? Have you watched any of Euphoria?
1:03:00 Speaker 04 I haven't, and I'm, I should.
1:03:02 Speaker 01 You're fine.
1:03:02 Speaker 02 You're fine.
1:03:03 Speaker 01 But, but we're dealing with adult baby stuff on Euphoria this season.
1:03:06 Speaker 04 I read all about the shows and I don't.
1:03:08 Speaker 01 I do the same thing, and I'll check in on clips, and I'll be like, okay, this is what's happening. But there was some, there was some scene last night in Euphoria where I was watching it for a second, and then I was like, this kind of feels like a John Waters movie. It's like, you know, Jacob Elordi getting the shit kicked out of him by the, by the mob, and Sydney Sweeney has a bloody nose, just her huge tits and her wedding gown, just like sobbing, like, what's happening? And I'm like, there's something here spiritually.
1:03:34 Speaker 02 That feels like one of your movies.
1:03:35 Speaker 04 I guess.
1:03:37 Speaker 04 But were you laughing?
1:03:38 Speaker 01 I was laughing because I wasn't laughing, I didn't have it in context. I don't know if I'm supposed to be laughing at home. I don't know what I'm supposed to feel anymore watching the show, which I think is an issue.
1:03:47 Speaker 04 Well, maybe that's why people are talking about it.
1:03:49 Speaker 01 I think you're probably right.
1:03:50 Speaker 02 Uh huh.
1:03:51 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:03:51 Speaker 02 Uh, I think it's time.
1:03:53 Speaker 01 It's time? Okay, so this is what else must be on your, on your board there.
1:03:57 Speaker 04 Well, I was told I had homework, I had two particular things.
1:04:00 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah. See, I hate being a podcast that gives homework, but it is fun homework. You know what I mean?
1:04:04 Speaker 02 That's fine, that's good homework.
1:04:05 Speaker 01 Yeah. So this is, I don't think so, honey.
1:04:07 Speaker 04 The worst is when you give it and they don't prepare.
1:04:08 Speaker 01 Ugh.
1:04:09 Speaker 02 It happens all the time.
1:04:10 Speaker 04 Who did the worst?
1:04:11 Speaker 01 The worst I don't think so, honey, ever? Probably us at some point.
1:04:14 Speaker 02 No, we, we, we bomb every week. We really do.
1:04:17 Speaker 01 I don't think that's true, and, well, now I watch when I bomb.
1:04:21 Speaker 02 No, watch when I bomb.
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1:07:51 Speaker 04 So this is one minute. Do you mean I have to talk fast like the ads of the side effects at the end of a drug out on the radio?
1:07:57 Speaker 01 You know, don't feel pressured to do that, but if you could.
1:08:00 Speaker 04 Alright.
1:08:01 Speaker 01 Yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna model it for you first.
1:08:03 Speaker 04 Alright.
1:08:04 Speaker 01 And then you're gonna-
1:08:05 Speaker 04 It might go a little long.
1:08:06 Speaker 01 Choose your own adventure. That's okay. Alright, so I do have something. Um, it's been a struggle. I've been, I had this on the brain for a while and I feel like I actually haven't taken to the mic on this, so this is a good opportunity.
1:08:16 Speaker 02 Here we go. This, we're breaking new ground. This is Matt Rogers. I Don't Think So Honey. His time starts now.
1:08:20 Speaker 01 I don't think so, honey. You can't buy any medication you want at the CVS because it's under the, behind the fucking lockbox. Get real. I need Mucin XT so it cannot work on me. By the way, also, I don't think so many use an XT. They said there's meth in this? Fuck off. Like, is that why it's behind the glass? Because there's meth in it?
1:08:39 Speaker 02 You can make meth with it.
1:08:39 Speaker 01 Okay, that's ridiculous because I, I'm taking it. It's not even helping me get not sick. It's not gonna create meth. I, every time I'm in the CVS or the Walgreens, have to ring the fucking bell. They take their sweet time getting over here. Now you can't even get toothpaste. Can you make meth from toothpaste?
1:08:56 Speaker 01 Because you would think. I am really having a hard time when I go into any store and I'm like, why can't I get this? Oh, because if the wrong person came in here and got it, they're gonna create meth with it. I don't think so, honey. By the way, I've been not sick for two weeks, but having whatever's going on here for two weeks. Mucin XT, I guess I have to increase the meth in there because it's not working on me. Claritin, is there enough meth in that? I can't get enough meth to get me not sick. I don't think so, honey. Just let me have the fucking medication that I need.
1:09:25 Speaker 02 And that's one minute.
1:09:26 Speaker 04 Plus you have to check out yourself.
1:09:28 Speaker 01 This is what I'm saying.
1:09:31 Speaker 01 Like, I, I need your help to come get me the product and then you're of no help when I'm checking out?
1:09:36 Speaker 04 I know.
1:09:37 Speaker 01 The hell?
1:09:38 Speaker 04 And they act mad. I thought, if, if I didn't act, you won't have a job. You should be glad.
1:09:42 Speaker 01 Well, by the way, there's only three people working in there at any given time, so this is the battle of the machines. Ever done meth?
1:09:52 Speaker 04 Maybe not. I did, I shot diet pills once, though.
1:09:58 Speaker 01 How did that though?
1:09:59 Speaker 04 Cold shake. Oh, it was horrible. A big, black bubble rose in my arm. Don't ever-
1:10:02 Speaker 01 Oh my god.
1:10:03 Speaker 04 I tried. I did crazy shit when I was young, but I never got into it that much. I never liked shooting up. It was like, but I had good veins.
1:10:10 Speaker 01 He did meth one time on accident.
1:10:13 Speaker 04 I did almost everything else. When I stopped taking drugs was ecstasy, a drug that makes you love everybody. That's not a high for me.
1:10:21 Speaker 01 See, I love it. I can't get enough of it.
1:10:23 Speaker 04 I would hate it. You would hate it. In a cuddle pile, can you picture me in one?
1:10:27 Speaker 01 No, uh, don't, stay away from ketamine then.
1:10:30 Speaker 04 Oh, I wouldn't do that one either.
1:10:31 Speaker 01 No, it's bad.
1:10:32 Speaker 04 Drink water all the time. Yeah, yeah.
1:10:33 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, the ketamine, that will get you barnacle-ing on someone that you're like, "I don't even like you that much." But here I am.
1:10:41 Speaker 02 It's what you gotta do.
1:10:43 Speaker 01 You ready?
1:10:43 Speaker 02 I'm ready.
1:10:44 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:10:44 Speaker 02 Can you use my phone?
1:10:45 Speaker 01 Oh no, I have my own phone for it. Alright, so this'll be Bowen Yang's "I Don't Think So Honey." And get this, if I can get my thing up, where's my, where is, um, there we go. This is Bowen Yang's "I Don't Think So Honey," his time starts now.
1:10:58 Speaker 02 "I don't think so honey, the distance between the beach and the main drag in Provincetown. This is why I will always still gravitate towards Fire Island despite the, despite the way it changes year to year, despite the the crowds you never know where you're gonna get. P-Town represents wonderful stability and wonderful community, and yet, if you want a sunbath in any sort of respectable fashion, you gotta go to the public pool. I love a public pool, but sometimes even that gets a little too crowded." Yes, I do, John Waters. I don't love riding a bicycle, especially given my family history with bicycles. Three different generations of bike accidents. I'm not going to chance it. There's a curse on the Yang family.
1:11:42 Speaker 02 Uh, so that's why I will never really get it up, in a sense, to go to the beach in Provincetown. And you never know where you're gonna get weather-wise, and there's, there's just shit in the sand, cause people, cause the artists, the artists in residence are taking dumps on the beach. Um, I'm just gonna, I'm just assuming that's what's happening, but I feel like that is, um, that's, that's the main sort of obstacle I have with P-Town.
1:12:03 Speaker 01 And that's on minute. Why don't you just go to the small beach on commercials?
1:12:06 Speaker 04 It's right on the, Bay Beach is right there.
1:12:09 Speaker 01 Go to the Bay Beach.
1:12:09 Speaker 02 That doesn't count.
1:12:11 Speaker 01 Well, you can't say there's no-
1:12:12 Speaker 04 Where you have to walk across the dunes with all the bicycles and all that.
1:12:16 Speaker 02 That is like a real beach to me.
1:12:17 Speaker 04 Well, that's cause people are having sex.
1:12:19 Speaker 02 But I don't even, that's not even the appeal.
1:12:21 Speaker 04 Alright.
1:12:22 Speaker 01 How you get a real beach? Are people having sex on it? They're not doing that at the Bay Beach.
1:12:26 Speaker 02 They're not doing that at the Bay Beach. I, but that's, I, I, I do, as I get older, love P-Town more and more. Over Fire Island.
1:12:33 Speaker 01 There's no way it can compete. First of all, in P-Town, you have restaurants. Just that alone. Then you don't have restaurants and.
1:12:40 Speaker 02 No.
1:12:40 Speaker 04 And. Well, there's a couple.
1:12:42 Speaker 02 There's a couple.
1:12:42 Speaker 01 I mean, there's food.
1:12:45 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:12:45 Speaker 01 There's not restaurants. Like, if you go to Cherry Grove, you can get your restaurants.
1:12:48 Speaker 02 Right.
1:12:48 Speaker 01 That's which is where you'll, you'll be when you go, right?
1:12:51 Speaker 04 I've played both the other place too, in the pines.
1:12:54 Speaker 01 You do bo-, you do both?
1:12:55 Speaker 02 It's nice. Um, but you are not going anywhere near the Belvedere?
1:13:01 Speaker 04 I don't, I mean, I'll remember that place forever. I've stayed there a couple times. It was very, very kind of like Pink Narcissus.
1:13:09 Speaker 01 Hmm, yes.
1:13:12 Speaker 02 Just, I mean, i- i- it is fantastic in that way, literally, where it's, it feels like you're in a fantasy.
1:13:17 Speaker 01 I would think you'd love it.
1:13:18 Speaker 04 But I've, can you picture me in the baths? I've never gone to the baths in my life. Walking around in a towel is not how I do well.
1:13:24 Speaker 01 I feel like you'd go dressed just like this.
1:13:26 Speaker 04 I would.
1:13:27 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:13:27 Speaker 04 That was the problem.
1:13:29 Speaker 01 So what? You're you, you can do whatever you want.
1:13:31 Speaker 04 But I'm trying to blend in in between shows.
1:13:34 Speaker 02 That's right. That's right. Um, alright, John?
1:13:38 Speaker 04 Alright.
1:13:38 Speaker 02 Are you ready?
1:13:39 Speaker 04 I'm gonna talk fast.
1:13:40 Speaker 02 Okay, this is John, this is John Waters. I don't think so, honey, his time starts now.
1:13:43 Speaker 04 I can't stand the way some people talk. I hate it when actors use the word journey. That's not a fucking journey. Winning a Spirit Award, escaping from Ukraine is. I hate airlines when they say your flight is cut because of weather. There's always weather, you mean bad weather. Or when the MPA say rated X for language. There's always language. What are you talking about in silent film? I hate actors who say they're humble. Well, go down the S and M bar and get it, shut up and get smacked around. I hate people who say surreal if you're talking about Dolly, alright? Not some boring thing in your daily life. I hate it when weathermen say wind chill and heat index. That's bullshit words. I hate when gay people say, this is my lover. Who are you, Lady Chatterley?
1:14:20 Speaker 04 I hate it also when gay people say to me, hey, girl, that I don't know. Excuse me, do I look like a girl? I guess it failed getting dressed this morning. And people say, are you a top or a bottom? It's not a political party, I'm independent. And worse of all, when people say, can I take your pitcher? No, my pitcher is home with Kool-Aid in it.
1:14:41 Speaker 01 Wow, thank God. That was just about modern life and I love it.
1:14:46 Speaker 04 Did I hit the minute?
1:14:47 Speaker 01 You did.
1:14:48 Speaker 02 Exactly.
1:14:49 Speaker 01 In fact, you had 56 seconds and, and the slapping down of the, of the paper was the final four. We love.
1:14:56 Speaker 02 Picture.
1:14:57 Speaker 04 I hate, I take, I've heard newsmen say that. Look at this picture. Oh my God, you should be fired.
1:15:03 Speaker 01 You should be fired.
1:15:04 Speaker 04 People say that's a regional thing. No, it's not. It's stupid.
1:15:07 Speaker 01 I was just. Ready? I'm an, I'm an idiot at P10 coming up to you. Oh my God. Hey, girl. It is surreal to see you. Can we have a picture?
1:15:14 Speaker 04 I hate when people say, oh God.
1:15:16 Speaker 01 It is surreal to see you, girl. I need a picture.
1:15:19 Speaker 04 Hey, girl. Is that a little too familiar?
1:15:22 Speaker 02 Uh, what, how long would you have to know someone for them to call you girl?
1:15:26 Speaker 04 Never. Do I look, if I fail getting dressed today?
1:15:30 Speaker 01 Sir.
1:15:31 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:15:31 Speaker 01 Yeah, there you go.
1:15:32 Speaker 02 Hi, King. What if someone called you King?
1:15:35 Speaker 04 Better girl.
1:15:36 Speaker 02 Yeah, I guess so. I guess so.
1:15:38 Speaker 04 Zaddio. No, I'm good. That's what they call old people.
1:15:41 Speaker 01 Zaddio.
1:15:42 Speaker 04 Yeah, Zaddio.
1:15:43 Speaker 01 Zaddio is interesting. I like Zaddio.
1:15:46 Speaker 04 Chickens make good soup. That's what my friend Pat Moran, when she dated an older man, her mom said that.
1:15:50 Speaker 01 Old chickens make good soup?
1:15:51 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:15:52 Speaker 02 What is that supposed to mean?
1:15:53 Speaker 04 Like when you're old, young people go after you. So, yeah, old chickens make good soup.
1:15:57 Speaker 02 Yeah. What's the soup? Come?
1:15:59 Speaker 04 No, it's just tender.
1:16:01 Speaker 01 Girl, you're a girl. You're a second to third.
1:16:02 Speaker 04 Tender.
1:16:03 Speaker 01 Yeah. Old chickens make good soup. It means you want to bathe around in their broth.
1:16:07 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:16:08 Speaker 02 That's interesting. I, I guess, yeah, I guess, I guess, I guess, old people do.
1:16:15 Speaker 02 Old chickens make good stuff.
1:16:18 Speaker 01 He wants some old people soup.
1:16:20 Speaker 02 I want old people soup.
1:16:21 Speaker 01 Crazy cannibal ass.
1:16:22 Speaker 02 Yeah. Well, John Waters, the star of Kevin on Amazon Prime, on Prime Video.
1:16:27 Speaker 04 What are the stars? I'm not the star.
1:16:29 Speaker 02 I think you're the star.
1:16:29 Speaker 01 Aubrey Plaza also involved.
1:16:31 Speaker 04 Whoopi Goldberg.
1:16:32 Speaker 01 Oh, the whoops.
1:16:33 Speaker 02 The whoops. John Waters, any parting words of wisdom?
1:16:38 Speaker 04 I don't know that I would ever preach to anybody. I want to hear your words of wisdom of things that would make me nervous if you're younger than me.
1:16:46 Speaker 02 Are you prompting us right now?
1:16:47 Speaker 04 Yes.
1:16:48 Speaker 01 What would make you nervous?
1:16:50 Speaker 02 Oh my God. Hmm. What would make you nervous? It sounds like, I think you should feel.
1:16:59 Speaker 02 Completely liberated or whatever about talking about this, uh, this idea of like political correctness. I feel like that's the thing that, that, that makes everybody nervous. And yet I feel like you have, you've probably earned a place where you can just sort of, you've seen it all. You've done it all. You've shocked everybody up and down. Like, I think you don't have to be nervous about anything.
1:17:20 Speaker 04 But I make fun of the rules that we live by, not our parents. I make fun of liberals' rules.
1:17:24 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:17:25 Speaker 04 And now there are more rules than my parents had.
1:17:27 Speaker 02 Oh, trust me, we understand. We do. We, we understand that completely.
1:17:30 Speaker 01 Um, I have a thing. Okay. So on every episode, we end with a song.
1:17:38 Speaker 04 Mm-hmm.
1:17:39 Speaker 01 So you're gonna do that this time. You're gonna end this episode with a song.
1:17:44 Speaker 04 Hey, hey, set me free, stupid Cupid, stuck fucking with me.
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