E189 - Wim Hof: Why Your Body Was Built to Heal Itself (And What Stopped It)

Wim Hof joins me to explore the deeper story behind his work, from profound personal loss to discovering a direct path back into the body through breath and cold exposure. We unpack how modern life pulls us out of feeling and into constant mental noise, and how reconnecting with the breath can bring us back into a state of presence, strength, and clarity. Wim shares how a single moment stepping into freezing water at 17 opened something fundamental within him, quieting the mind and reconnecting him to his heart. In this conversation, we explore the science behind his methods and what it means to consciously influence the nervous system and immune response. Wim explains how breathwork can reduce inflammation, strengthen the body, and restore balance, and why this ability is not unique to him but available to anyone willing to practice. This episode is an invitation to reclaim autonomy over your body and mind, and to remember a deeper connection to nature that modern life often pulls us away from. Visit https://www.functionhealth.com/knowthyself or use gift code KNOWTHYSELF25 for a $25 credit toward your membership. Try LMNT & get a free sample pack https://drinkLMNT.com/KnowThyself André's Book Recs: https://www.knowthyselfpodcast.com/book-list ___________ 00:00 Intro 01:27 A Life Shaped by Purpose 04:00 The Science of Breath and Inflammation 09:20 Music, Cold, and the Opening of the Heart 12:31 Becoming a Missionary for Human Healing 22:10 Freedom, Autonomy, and the Power Within 25:15 Trust as the True Superpower 29:52 Ad: Function Health 31:04 The Years of Searching, Love, and Loss 37:16 Grief, Rage, and the Call to Change the World 47:14 It’s Time for the Soul 52:10 Returning to the Body Through Breath and Cold 53:31 Ad: LMNT 54:39 The Wim Hof Method in Practice 1:07:17 What the Cold Really Teaches 1:10:33 A Message for Humanity 1:12:45 Choosing Stress Before Stress Chooses You 1:19:11 The Forgotten Power of the Breath 1:24:08 Consciousness, Soul, and the Search for Meaning 1:33:18 Becoming an Agent of Change ___________ For a free Wim Hof Method Mini Class: https://www.wimhofmethod.com/free-mini-class Episode Resources: https://www.wimhofmethod.com https://www.instagram.com/iceman_hof https://www.instagram.com/andreduqum/ https://www.instagram.com/knowthyself/ https://www.youtube.com/@knowthyselfpodcast https://www.knowthyselfpodcast.com

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  I came to the world purple, almost suffocated, with the words of my mother invoking, "Oh God, let this child live." She is in me, tattooed in my genes. I'm a missionary. For the first time, I saw the thin layer of ice on the water. I went in by gut feeling, and there I fell. This is it. Without words, the heart opened.

• 0:22André Duqum?

  You've broken 26 world records.

• 0:25Speaker 00

  They said, "But you are the Iceman." I said, "What I can do, anybody can do."

• 0:34Speaker 00

  Just follow your breath and enter into your body. This is the way we beat a bacteria. It is simple. Breath doesn't cost anything. That's why I say, "Just breathe, mother."

• 0:48André Duqum?

  Your wife at the time diagnosed with schizophrenia. And then you got a call one day.

• 0:52Speaker 00

  She jumped from eight stories. What can you say? You can't say anything. It's nothing. It's cold. I was broken, but I had to take care of my children. Society keeps on going like a fast train. And you cannot mourn. And I am going to change this world. I got that conviction. I'm a simple man, but I'm gonna change the world. Know thyself. I know myself. I'm here to serve.

• 1:28André Duqum?

  Wim, it's so good to be here with you today. You've broken 26 world records. You've climbed mountains, ran marathons. You have so many incredible feats. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. There's a deep well of wisdom behind you, your practices that you share with the world. But where I want to start is actually way back. You came into this world as a surprise. The Iceman.

• 1:55Speaker 00

  Yes, I was the second of the twins. And my brother's name is André, like you.

• 2:04André Duqum?

  It's nice to meet you, brother.

• 2:05Speaker 00

  Nice to meet you. Spiritually, we are brothers. We are aligned. Our wavelengths go there. And that's great. That's beautiful because the world needs it. The world needs this message, this man on a mission, a missionary. I'm a missionary. My mother made me because they didn't suspect another baby to come back then. That's 66 years ago. And so they had no echographics or anything to detect if there is a how many and how do they look like. It was a wooden Trump bat.

• 2:47Speaker 00

  That was all they had. No politics, Trump bat. Make jokes now, but the thing is, back then, they weren't aware there was another one. I almost came too late to the worlds. I came to the world purple. Like purple is almost suffocated in the cold of the hall with the words of my mother invoking, "Oh, God, let this child live. I will make him a missionary." She told me that all later. But in that moment, the power of a woman who is in fear and in love and God fearing

• 3:30Speaker 00

  all at the same time, that is a powerful invocation. And I honor that because I cannot do otherwise. She is in me. She is embedded, tattooed in my genes. I'm a missionary. I am just unfolding her promise to God, coming from a place of love.

• 4:00Speaker 00

  And that is exactly my message. But I wasn't aware until in 2007, where I was exposed to an experiment, biochemical experiment in Manhasset, New York, with Dr. Kevin Tracy. And they had me hooked up with a long and heart meter, and they took the blood here. And they wanted to see if I was able to influence into the vagus nerve. Because if you are able to consciously intervene into the vagus nerve, you're able to bring down inflammation. Nobody had shown that before.

• 4:45Speaker 00

  There I was. I did that. And a week later, I got the results. Dr. Ken Kamler called me up. A week later, after processing the results, 307 blood markers. So no speculation by which they were able to make an interpretation if I was influencing into the vagus nerve, the mechanisms that bring down inflammation. Because inflammation, in the end, is the cause and effect of disease. Any disease is inflammation. So almost take a breath. That is always good.

• 5:29Speaker 00

  I do that all the time. It's for free, and it's amazing. Breath doesn't cost anything, and it gives you the life force. Mind about it. Take a deep breath. When Dr. Ken Kamler called me up, he said, "Wim, are you able, if you are able to reproduce the results you have done, you have produced, then that means huge consequences for human mankind."

• 6:00André Duqum?

  We got a caller in here, a past friend of yours.

• 6:03Speaker 00

  Oh, good.

• 6:05André Duqum?

  Look who we have here, boys.

• 6:07Speaker 00

  Hey. Hey, hey.

• 6:09André Duqum?

  You wanna hold it? Yes, there you boys.

• 6:12Speaker 00

  Ah, motherfuckers! I love you! Hey, Amir! Ay, ay, ay, ay, ay.

• 6:19André Duqum?

  So good.

• 6:20Speaker 00

  Hey, Amir, you gotta bring me to Egypt. We gotta do an ice bath in front of the pyramids.

• 6:26Speaker 02

  Damn right, we have to.

• 6:28Speaker 00

  Hey, man, no words anymore. Do it! Bang!

• 6:33Speaker 02

  Ready? Last time we talked about it, I talked to someone about it and they were, they said, "Whenever you want, let's make it happen."

• 6:39Speaker 00

  Okay, okay, deal. Okay, man, I love you. Right on! It's about the love. Know thyself, we are love. We change the world. Yeah, man! We are just starting up! Go!

• 6:54André Duqum?

  My boys. Good to see you, dude. So good to see you, guys.

• 7:01André Duqum?

  Give me one, give me one question to ask Wim, from you guys. One question to ask Wim. Let's see. Uh, has Wim played you the song, uh, the, what's it called, the monkey song?

• 7:14Speaker 00

  Oh, Crazy Like a Monkey!

• 7:16André Duqum?

  Okay, here it goes.

• 7:18Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 7:18André Duqum?

  Wait, wait, wait, what was the second question, Amar?

• 7:21Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 7:21Speaker 02

  Uh, how can humanity prepare for alien disclosure? Of course.

• 7:25André Duqum?

  Wow, those are two very different questions.

• 7:27Speaker 00

  No, no, I got that one.

• 7:29André Duqum?

  You got that one? How can humanity prepare for alien disclosure?

• 7:32Speaker 00

  We are aliens. If you look at the central nervous system, we look like aliens. It's the brain with all the myriads, the nerves. Those are, hey, man! We are just in this body because it's convenient, uh, the way to walk on this earth. But the rest, we are into consciousness. Otherwise, we would be monkeys. And Crazy Like a Monkey, I can sing!

• 7:59André Duqum?

  That's good, baby. I have your five ears.

• 8:15Speaker 00

  Wish you like a monkey, let's be funky. I'll be lowkey, life on its way. We're getting on, finding the words in the heart for a song. Back in the flow, we go, back in the flow. Yeah, yeah. Wish you like a monkey, let's be funky.

• 8:59Speaker 02

  Well, Slim, you look good. You look, you look really good, like healthy and vital.

• 9:04Speaker 00

  Ah!

• 9:06Speaker 02

  And the shorts keep getting shorter. I love that.

• 9:08Speaker 00

  Yeah!

• 9:10André Duqum?

  The shorts keep getting shorter. All right, we love you guys.

• 9:14Speaker 02

  Love you too.

• 9:15André Duqum?

  See ya. Bye.

• 9:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, cool guys. That's a nice surprise.

• 9:21André Duqum?

  That was a, that was a wildest start to a podcast I've ever had. It was good.

• 9:25Speaker 00

  Ah, yeah, yeah. Crazy like a monkey, man. With vice.

• 9:30André Duqum?

  Uh, not to get too off on a tangent, tangent, but you, you love music. You play music. You were toning before this. You were playing before this. Music's been a big part of your life, yeah?

• 9:39Speaker 00

  My first love.

• 9:40André Duqum?

  Hmm.

• 9:41Speaker 00

  The real love. I, I remember the first time I put, I, I got a guitar in my hand, I learned one accord. You know, one, one key.

• 9:52André Duqum?

  Hmm.

• 9:52Speaker 00

  Just one key. I played the whole weekend. I could imagine myself through those tones, just, uh, just going, uh, traveling on the prairie and the mountains, anywhere.

• 10:06André Duqum?

  Hmm.

• 10:06Speaker 00

  So if it touches you that way, and if it opens up your imagination that way, then you are a musician. You are born, eh? Your heart opens. That is what makes the music. Anything that opens up the heart of somebody, yes.

• 10:27André Duqum?

  It sounds like the cold was the thing that really opened you up big alongside music. And around seventeen, you jumped in a canal that was then, you know, a big defining moment for what would ensue later in your life. How do you explain what that moment was for you now looking back in hindsight for the arc of your journey?

• 10:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, opening up the heart. We were talking about the idea of like music, your passion. But then you get the world. Look at the world. Look at the wars, depression, disease, all the difficulties, mortgages. You gotta go nine to five. Where is the heart? There. Suddenly, it's gone. And then you're gonna sit in your brain, ruminating, what is happening? What is happening? What is happening? And it keeps on like a hamster inside. But we are humans, not hamsters. So that is too much. It's too much cortisol. It's not the heart. Suddenly, you are into that loop.

• 11:30Speaker 00

  And then I felt seventeen years. For the first time, I saw the thin layer of ice on the water. I thought to go in by gut feeling. I went in and there I felt, this is it. Without words, I got back into my heart, into my feeling. I was euphoric the whole, euphoric the whole, whole day. And then the other day, I came back to see if it was coming back. Yeah, you go with expectation. Maybe it's just a one, a one-time experience and all. But no, it opened it up again.

• 12:12Speaker 00

  It made shut up the hamster, the ruminating, the overthinking, and the heart opened.

• 12:22André Duqum?

  From that moment onwards, how has how you defined your mission on the planet evolved? And what is it currently, do you feel? What is, what do you feel you're here to do?

• 12:32Speaker 00

  Exactly. I go now back to that Manhattan, New York, where we were at the beginning of the podcast. So they gave me the results. A week later, Dr. Ken Carmel, I just met him again, after 19 years here in New York. Very nice man, very soft in his explanations, and very precise, too. He's the author of Surviving the Extremes. And we have become friends, and he knows the gravity of what I'm doing in the experiments I did in Manhattan, New York. 19 years ago, I showed how to activate consciously the vagus nerve.

• 13:16Speaker 00

  And once you are able to do that, you are able to bring down inflammation. And inflammation is the cause and effect of any disease. So here we could point out for the scientific world that we had found through breathing techniques, how to bring down inflammation. But the scientific world didn't take it up. We got, we got all the medical science to produce pills, medicaments, and treatments, but not to go naturally with the same effect and better, because there's no side effect with breathing techniques.

• 13:56Speaker 00

  So back then, Dr. Ken Carmel said, hey, if you are able to reproduce this, that means huge consequences for human mankind. And he named all these diseases. If people were only able to do what I had done that week before, and that was breathing, what we did earlier on here as well, making the body strong, activating biohacking into the body through breathing, making us the strongest version within ourselves. The way nature meant it to be means that the immune system is at work.

• 14:36Speaker 00

  And when a bacteria then comes in, then it has no chance because the immune system is alert. And it bounces it out. It's the big bouncer, the immune system. When a little bacteria wants to go in, no, you go that way, out. So it is not able to multiply. That alertness we do with breathing. That alertness made your body strong enough to go and have an easy chat while being in cold water. I mean, almost to zero in the degrees, thirty-one, thirty-two, what was it? It doesn't matter. We were cool. So, directly when he called me, I felt, hey, of course I can reproduce this.

• 15:21Speaker 00

  That was where the missionary consciously started for me to be. And then half hour later, I got another phone call. That my mother had died. She was the one who invoked it when I was born. The little purple nothing with that strong invocation driven by love and fear. That is powerful. It got tattooed into me. I'm that missionary. And there I came only at terms with my responsibility. And ability to respond. I was able now to bring on something that doctor was saying.

• 16:05Speaker 00

  This is going to change humanity. It is of huge consequences for human mankind. He said, because you showed how to bring down the inflammation. And you showed it in three hundred seven blood markers. But they didn't take it up. Because we live in a world where money makes health. Being treated. And if they cannot make money out of it, there is no interest. Not by the governments, not by the pharmaceutical industries, and the war lobbies, and all. It's a sick world. And Bobby Kennedy says it well, America is sick.

• 16:50Speaker 00

  But here I am. We are going to make it healthy. And not only America, the whole wide world. And we need people like yourself to bring it out. Because the journalists nowadays, they are cherry picking. They are just serving the industries. And they are not serving humanity. Where is the love in that? So I didn't hear of these people anymore. When they said they were going to have a comparative study done in the Catskills of New York, a comparative with and see if everybody is able to influence into that mechanism that brings down inflammation.

• 17:34Speaker 00

  So I never heard anything of them anymore. Four years later, I got a chance with the university with the university in hospital, university in the Netherlands to repeat it. Now I was injected with a bacteria, a E. coli bacteria. This is a controlled experiment. People get sick three to six hours. And then the experiment is done. And so thousands of people had done that before. They all became sick until they met me. They injected me, the bacteria. I did the same what I did in Manhattan, New York, four years before.

• 18:16Speaker 00

  Just breathe and strongly do my exercise, which I learned into the cold, how to breathe deep and to influence my body to make it strong while being in a cold. So I don't feel the cold. Must be effective breathing. So then I separated that breathing. I made these breathing techniques, which I learned in the cold. And then I saw all the lies and all the chakras and all what I've been reading. Suddenly I saw it for real. And that was amazing, but. There, in the hospital, I got injected.

• 18:58Speaker 00

  And then I showed as the first one to get into the autonomic nervous system and the innate immune system, which was considered to be inaccessible by humans at will. But there I had shown. And then they said, "But you are the Iceman." "No," I said, "what I can do, anybody can do." "Iceman?" "No, maybe nice man, maybe not." "Whatever it is, my mission is, I can bring it on for anybody else in the world." So then they gave me a group of people and a group of people who were not doing exactly what I was saying. I trained a group. And the group I trained,

• 19:40Speaker 00

  they were all able to defy the bacteria causing inflammation in our immune system body, becoming sick. Nobody. And the people who didn't, they all became sick. So, the world of medicine, the medical experts, the doctors, the professors in the world, the scientific world, the academics, should have jumped on it. I just pointed out, there is a natural way to bring down inflammation, the cause and effect of disease.

• 20:17Speaker 00

  Where is this world? That is following the narratives of the industries, serving the industries and not the healing power of people? So, my mission was born there. I'm a missionary. I'm here. I'm a simple man, but I'm gonna change the world. That's my faith, my conviction. I can do it. I can make the science change. Where they all have no solutions, I can bring the solutions. Because I come from nature. I'm a missionary, according to my mother. And I will honor my mother and respect my mother in the afterlife, being here right now with me.

• 21:02Speaker 00

  And she knows. And it doesn't start with the birth, doesn't end with when we die. We better get our jobs done and live to our purpose. Or in other words, Gnoti say auton, know thyself.

• 21:20Speaker 00

  Where are you and what do you do? Because this is the universe and we live here on the earth. Don't be into too much into the matter, materialized. But what's the matter with you? Do you feel good? Do you sense the depth? Do you sense your spirituality emotionally, mentally and physically? All that? Then it's all right. Then you are exactly where you need to be. But if it is not, if you are out of balance, then you are in the wrong place. You feel wrong. You don't know what it is? Don't have that conflict with the soul. Get into an ice bath, do some breathing.

• 22:03Speaker 00

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• 23:11André Duqum?

  So well said, man. So well said. What you said outside was that freedom is free. And it's hard to control people that are sovereign, that understand that the power of their mind and their bodies is within their own control, that they have these faculties that are latent and profited on doing so. Like, when you do a deep breath work practice and you feel so powerful and you don't feel so controlled and compulsive by all the things that you thought you wanted and you're less of a victim in life, you're more of a powerful, conscious agent of change. And hundreds of millions of people have been practicing with your techniques and listening to your teachings and books and documentaries and talks.

• 23:55André Duqum?

  And I think what it looks like from the outside is, is it's remembering people of their own power, of the own power of their own mind. And it sounds like there was a really deep accepting of that responsibility when your mother passed. That was around 2007, is that right?

• 24:12Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 24:15André Duqum?

  And so amidst these studies that were, that you were partaking in, you've done over, what, a dozen now? There's been...

• 24:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, 20 about, yeah.

• 24:24André Duqum?

  Yeah.

• 24:25Speaker 00

  How many studies do I have to show that this is irrefutably shown by the scrutiny of science? How many? 200? No, there is ignorance going on. There is a system that wants to make money out of dependency. What I advocate is autonomy. Autonomy is freedom. You are your own. And you should be able not... The governments, listening to governments, you see what governments are doing. No, learn to govern you yourself. And that is autonomy. So we have shown how to get into the autonomic nervous system, autonomy of the body

• 25:08Speaker 00

  and the autonomous processes in the brain related to mood regulation, emotional regulation. We found it in brain scans and all. It's all out there, it's in papers, and it has changed the paradigm of what we think is possible within the human. We are here to be autonomous. Reign over your own emotions.

• 25:33Speaker 00

  Claim the power of your own mind, not sixteen percent of your brain in control, hundred. We have shown through breathing techniques that we are able willfully to activate hundred percent neural activity in the brain.

• 25:52André Duqum?

  So what are you doing when you've climbed these mountains in shorts and you've swam great lengths in ice water and then in multiple hours under ice water? These seem like superhuman feats. You're reminding us that we're all capable of that, but what are you really doing with your mind and your breath that's allowing you to defy being at the whims of the external circumstances and you being like exerting your will in such a way? What are you really doing in those moments?

• 26:18Speaker 00

  Trust, trust is a superpower. Two days ago was in Miami and I was at a school for a grade four, five and six, seven, two different groups. And I was into showing what is a superpower. Hey, Batman and Superman, those are marvels, but your own superpower is marvelous. It's and it's right there. Don't forget it. And let be schooled not only in arithmetic and history and language, but in trust, in trust, which is deep within us to defy or overcome any lesson in life, to realize our

• 27:03Speaker 00

  soul are the purpose of our being. Know that that rock bottom superpower is within you and is stronger than any fear that comes to you. Fear is a messenger. It's not something to intimidate you. It shows you now you're ready to overtake me. And then you got a new life's lesson in the journey of the realization of the soul. And it is very exciting to do that. So I I wasn't schooled in the schooling system. I dropped out. But I say in the old Latin, non scolaea vite odiscimus.

• 27:44Speaker 00

  It's not through the school, but through life that we learn how to discern. So that's what I did. And I I learned my languages, uh uh uh uh many languages. And in the end, I learned the greatest of all in language communication, to talk from my heart, to have no fear. Here I am, and here I go. So anytime when I go into a a racket, a world racket attempt or a challenge, many more challenges than rackets I have. So I feel, I feel uh uh that I can do a thing. I feel challenged.

• 28:27Speaker 00

  And my uh my subconsciousness knows I can trust my subconsciousness. Climbing without gear, free climbing, you have to learn to read the rock. And then you make the calculation inside. And your feeling will say, this is dangerous, yes or no? You can do this, yes or no? That's why I always say, don't force. Go with the force of nature of your feeling. Feeling is the understanding. So that's the way I learned to trust that feeling. Not the way I learned it in schools. I learned to trust that feeling. And uh every time I succeeded following that feeling.

• 29:12Speaker 00

  For example, when I get a phone call of, say, the BBC, and I've never run a marathon or any, I'm not a runner. So I I get a phone call and they say, yeah, there is the Birdman. Uh uh uh he is the first man with the wingsuit. Uh it was, there is a man on wire. He goes over the uh Grand Canyon on a wire. And uh and there is uh the Spiderman. There was Alain Robert and he climbs all these buildings without gear. And they call you the Iceman. That was the first time somebody called me the Iceman. I thought, nice man. Hey, that's nice. Batman, Superman, Iceman. Oh, that's me.

• 29:57Speaker 00

  Oh, my ego was charismatic. Oh, my ego, it's so beautiful. But right there, I thought all the alarm bells were ringing. And I said, I'm not a runner, but I will run in four weeks time beyond the polar circle in my shorts, a full marathon, and do it in midwinter January. Is that okay? Yes, yes, yes, yes, they said. And I had never run, but from that moment, I felt instinctively, I'm gonna do this. So I started to train and to take all the obstacles which I had in me

• 30:40Speaker 00

  out of my way because my goal was set. And then the body will shape toward that goal. And when you start, then you are all ready, ready.

• 30:54André Duqum?

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• 31:37André Duqum?

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• 32:21André Duqum?

  And I would love for you to go a little bit into that time zone, because before we go further into the studies and the feats and all the things, you were really forming yourself, such a formative time in your, in your life. So what were you learning? Were you going down the yogic paths? What were you reading? Who were you learning from? What was that life in that chapter for you?

• 32:41Speaker 00

  That was my life with Olaya. Olaya is the mother of my four, first four children, with whom I work right now. But back then, she fell into a dark place. And how that occurred, suddenly it was there, a spiritual, mental decline coming in. And I had to take care of the kids. So that was a tough time. In the beginning, it was absolute paradise with her. Amazing. I lived in a squat.

• 33:17André Duqum?

  That's where you met her?

• 33:18Speaker 00

  Eight years, yes. Eight years long. And it's, I had no money, but I held all the spirit. And it was a free, free-thinking place, because we were like outside the society. We were not into nine to five work and those schedules and mortgage and, and this is your career. No, I was absolutely, totally into self-education, to know myself. It was a great time. And there, I met her, and we got two kids while being in that squat. It was amazing. Very nice, energetically, beautiful.

• 34:03Speaker 00

  But then, she wanted to go back to Spain, where she came from, Basque country, Pamplona. And I went over there, and I wanted to start there as an English teacher. In Spain, I already spoke Spanish. So I started also the Basque language to learn. Where I am, I will learn. So I was a teacher for a time. It didn't work out because she could not live where I was teaching. And then she didn't take care of the two kids. One kid set the house on fire.

• 34:46Speaker 00

  So we had to go out because it was a rent, a rental. And that, yeah, it made it difficult. We could not stay there any longer. And I was, at the same time, having, I made an ashram. Ashram is a place in India where you do yoga and self-deployment, like no, they self, but then an Indian lifestyle.

• 35:13André Duqum?

  Where did you get, where did you learn to explore that?

• 35:16Speaker 00

  All, yeah, all the yogic posters I knew. I made a book about it. Yoga as a universal technique and all the photos and all, I got that all done back then. And with the explanations where it is good for, and also pranayama techniques.

• 35:37André Duqum?

  You just had a natural curiosity or were you looking to like solve something, find something?

• 35:42Speaker 00

  Of course, yeah. To me, yoga was the best way to get to your inner self without dogma, without spiritual doctrine of any kind of religions. The most I felt akin to was Buddhism, not Hinduism. Hinduism is nice and mythology and all. And Islam has its own and Christianity has its own. I've been an altar boy, for God's sake.

• 36:11André Duqum?

  Me too. I was an altar boy for a little bit.

• 36:14Speaker 00

  I told you, spiritually alive, akin from the beginning. It's a feeling, you know. So back then, I was into yoga.

• 36:26André Duqum?

  But why? What drew you to self-inquiry?

• 36:30Speaker 00

  Interesting. I think I've been, I am sure now, been always driven by this invocation of my mother.

• 36:38Speaker 00

  And then many times in your life, you don't know what you do. But I got an identical twin brother. But my path led to self-realization, to go into mysticism. And how you take on anything you find, and you don't know how to serve whatever is going on in the depth of yourself. But you are driven to do so. So I did that. I did all kinds of, not only yoga, also dervish dancing, also karate, taekwondo, whatever I could touch, making music, sing the hell out of myself.

• 37:22Speaker 00

  And all. It was spirituality that drove me. But where it came from, I was not conscious yet. And then I was with my wife. I just tried to make a living. But I couldn't with her. It became very difficult. She lived in a dark place. And that ended up, well, I had to take care of my four children, being there for them. I had a broken heart. Now it's called broken heart syndrome. I had it back then. Now live with that and then take care of four children with no money. That for years makes you disciplined.

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• 39:04André Duqum?

  So you were exploring all these various different paths. You met your wife at the time and while you were squatting in Amsterdam, had four children, saw her mental health slowly start to decline, diagnosed with schizophrenia. And then you got a call one day while on an expedition, I believe, right?

• 39:26Speaker 00

  Yes, it was a mountain guide. Somewhere in the Pyrenees, the central Pyrenees, from her brother.

• 39:34André Duqum?

  And what was that call like?

• 39:35Speaker 00

  That was, yeah, like numb, you feel numb.

• 39:40André Duqum?

  What, who called you?

• 39:41Speaker 00

  Her brother, he's a good friend of mine. He said, "I'm gonna see him this summer in Europe," and Pedro.

• 39:50André Duqum?

  And what did he say?

• 39:52Speaker 00

  And he said, "Marielle," Olaiya, she called herself always. And that's the way we know her, but her true name is Marielle. She, she died. She jumped or she fell from eight stories down. And it was a difficult conversation. He was deeply touched, heavy voice, slow voice. And what can you say? You can't say anything, you're numb.

• 40:36Speaker 00

  There's nothing, it's cold. You take it in. You go and you ask yourself, "Why, why? How was that?" You had to work on yourself, get better, get better. Why? The whole way. And then I went to the mortuary room. And there she was. And I looked at her face together with her father. And I saw in her face that the demon was out.

• 41:16Speaker 00

  That's what I saw.

• 41:19Speaker 00

  It was peaceful. Almost nothing you could see. But there she was. And then we cried. Me and her father.

• 41:32Speaker 00

  You just cry, it's human. And I had to go back. Of course, I did a funeral. But not with my kids. She kissed them goodbye.

• 41:45Speaker 00

  She, just before being there. We still don't know if she jumped or she fell accidentally. Because she was confused. Schizophrenic. It's like doing crazy stuff and you lose control. Identity loss.

• 42:08Speaker 00

  See what happens right now in America with the shootings? That's identity loss. Children are being squeezed into a system. And they have talents for something else. That causes conflict, stress, so much, that they lose identity, the sense of identity. What I'm here for? They lose it, it messes with the brain. And then they lose their sense of identity so much, they shoot their parents, their siblings, they go to school and start shooting also.

• 42:46Speaker 00

  Breathing. I wasn't aware back then, how to solve the brain waste that is caused by the stress of society. Because my woman, back then, the mother of my children, who is here right now with us.

• 43:03Speaker 00

  She was a very open, very sensitive person. Beautiful.

• 43:12Speaker 00

  Extrovert. I called her butterfly. In Spanish, mariposa.

• 43:20Speaker 00

  That is the way she works, and this society is sick.

• 43:26Speaker 00

  This is in the beginning of this conversation podcast, we were talking about the world, about the heart, about the music. You touched by the... We are the heart, but we make of our heart a hell. By getting into a system that demands us to be from nine to five, follow the regulations, etc. And for what? For bridges and towers and an elite controlling us? Well, how... And we cannot protect our children in the world? We can't stop the wars and we call ourselves civilized?

• 44:09Speaker 00

  We cannot stop depression, the darkness, the diseases, and we got all the technology?

• 44:18Speaker 00

  Sorry that I'm ranting, but this is the way it goes. I'm still... I still got this anger of back then, because I was numb then. I was paralyzed. I was shocked, flabbergasted, whatever it is. But I could not understand, grasp anything of it. I was broken, but I had to take care of my children. So those deep, dark moments, they have been all there, while society keeps on going like a fast train. And you cannot mourn, you cannot make yourself make sense out of that situation just to be human.

• 45:02Speaker 00

  That is not this world, and I am going to change this world.

• 45:10Speaker 00

  I got that conviction. I get the help of people in the afterlife. You think it doesn't exist and he is crazy? I say you are bloody crazy for not being happy, strong and healthy. And if you abide to the laws, then you are just like a zombie. You are not alive because you are a beautiful soul. Do you feel beautiful? Do you feel amazing? Do you feel like you are in love? When you are in love with a person, you are stronger than you're thinking. You just wanna go. Do you feel that way? Do you love life? Then you are right there where you know yourself.

• 45:51Speaker 00

  And that is where yesterday evening I had thousands of people coming to my show. I just show up. That is what I'm doing. I got nothing premeditated. I'm standing there and I take on the energy which is coming from souls. AI is empty. We are two eyes with a soul. I go for the fullness of that all, past any fear. Because I am the soul and the soul is unbreakable, everlasting. It's in love with life.

• 46:29Speaker 00

  And that is where I am fulfilling the soul of my deceased wife, of the mother of my children, of my mother. She is there who put me on this mission, of my friends who passed away because of all kinds of diseases. I'm gonna beat disease, depression and bring the soul the way nature meant it to be.

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• 48:01André Duqum?

  Wim, I feel so much power in your spirit and your heart. And I think that for many people, it's born from deep heartbreak in those moments where you feel numb, you can't take in how much is transpiring in your life. And that brings you to depths that you might have otherwise not felt. But who is being born in those instances, you know? And easier to connect the dots looking backwards. But I'm interested and I'm curious how connected and correlated the deep pain and the beautiful heart sharing and how connected you are with your heart and how many people you support, millions across the globe now, are how those two are connected.

• 48:48André Duqum?

  Yeah, I love how much conviction you share in your voice and that how possible and powerful these realizations can be for all of us. And that reclaiming that sovereignty back to the individual, whoever's listening right now and through your practices and all that you share is just so empowering. Because I think right now, we're fed so many messages of how separate we are, of the division and the narratives that always separate us through caste and creed and religions and genders and all of it. But you come back into the breath and you come back into conversations and communities and individuals like yourself that give you that reminder of how powerful we really are.

• 49:29André Duqum?

  So just so much gratitude for you being here today and having a new brother. And what you have gone on to do since those moments, I'm sure it wasn't always clear. You've had many moments of ups and downs and insights. But the culmination of you studying these different yogic traditions and different practices, everything happening with your wife and your kids, to then go on and explore the cold and the breath as a powerful teacher in life.

• 50:02André Duqum?

  I suppose, what is, what comes down to the, to the core message from, from all this lived experience? You're doing it in many different ways through the studies and the cold and the breath. What, what is the core message in, in what you want to remind people?

• 50:17Speaker 00

  First of all, I show my respect to you too, and my gratitude for being here. I see you as a person of light. I can see, I can feel, no bullshit, no nonsense. You got a great message just to be here and witness, make witness anybody else about lightness of being. I can feel it. It's good work, great work. This world needs the light, not the darkness, and light, not the heaviness. You got it. You got it embodied. That's why you possibly you're able to sift out exactly, exactly the essence of what I

• 50:57Speaker 00

  got, so we can pass it on to humanity for those who seek, who need. That is love. So that is to start with. And then the core, the core message of mine right now is, after so many pathways done, after so much science done, I've come to the conclusion that there is a wall of ignorance, a wall of opportunistic greed and money and power going on. We got so much technology, yet we are barbaric the way we are in the world. It's time for the love, it's time for the soul.

• 51:41Speaker 00

  And these simple tools I have found make people really able to get back to the factory settings of Mother Nature. That is to love each other and to hug each other instead of, "Oh, sorry, I touched you." Hey, who did that, man? It's not about sex, it's about love, and that is fucking good. You know, I just wake up people and I say it's time for the soul. We have been playing in the shit show enough. Too much wars, too much, are we man? Are we able to protect our children?

• 52:25Speaker 00

  We are children ourselves in the face of Mother Nature. Are we playful? Are we powerful? So powerful that we can play, that we don't feel fear. All that we are not, it takes beings of light. The new people, the new real investigators, not these so-called scientists in the hierarchical system who are just sitting there following the industry, not humanity. So for that, the podcast is the new way to spread what is really going on and what is really benefiting to humanity.

• 53:08Speaker 00

  My core message therein for in this podcast to be spread is simple. Through these tools called breathing, we are able to get back into the depth of ourself, into the autonomic nervous system and the autonomous processes in the brain. Autonomous means outside our will. And autonomy means that you are a person who is able to handle his emotions, his freedom, his energy, his body and mind. It's all there. And it's every day, it should be there unconditionally, but not in a society that demands us to be

• 53:53Speaker 00

  narrow-minded and serve this system like a brick in the wall.

• 53:59Speaker 00

  We are no bricks in the wall, guys. We are the whole house. And we should be able to go into any space of that house. Because it's our temple. And our being there makes it sacred. And that is our brain. We should be able to go into any space of our own brain, which is connected to the central nervous system, and it's connected everywhere. And it doesn't mean that you need to be everywhere in the house. No, you sit like we sit, relaxed in the living room. And when you are sleepy, you go to sleep nicely. Here's another room. Then you don't, you're no longer in the living room.

• 54:42Speaker 00

  And then in the kitchen to make some food. And then with the kids there. And there you play make music. There you get with the dog. And don't go all the time in the house, because he's gonna shit in the house. So, yeah, you need to go out. And this is why, I could be a billionaire already, but I am not a seller. I'm the living room.

• 55:08André Duqum?

  I think perfect to splice in here is the Wim Hof method, which you guided me through before this. We did the cold. So let's cut to some of that footage now that helps show exactly what are a few of these practices that you've implemented, you've shared with millions of people. And that is a direct access point for people to experience this themselves.

• 55:27Speaker 00

  Exactly. No better way than showing it the way we did. It is simple, effective, scientifically endorsed. This is the way we beat a bacteria injected. This is the way we showed 100% of the brain being activated. This is the way we showed how to get a halt over the endocrine system, the hormonal system, in the depth, the endocannabinoid system. It's all there. If you are able to go consciously into the depth of the brain, which is the endocannabinoid system, periaquoducto gray hemisphere. Look it up. It's all fancy names. It means you regain control over your own brain.

• 56:13Speaker 00

  Isn't that logical? We don't have a mass of meat inside, which is outside of our control. What sense does that make? It should be 100% you in control over your own brain, the seat of the mind and its unlimited power.

• 56:31André Duqum?

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• 57:42Speaker 00

  Here we are seated like in a meditation pose. Tranquil, relaxed. A relaxed body is able to store up oxygen. So do you feel relaxed?

• 57:54André Duqum?

  I feel relaxed.

• 57:55Speaker 00

  Nice. Okay, then use your belly and your chest to inhale deeply.

• 58:04Speaker 00

  And let it go. And pull it in.

• 58:09Speaker 00

  Let it go.

• 58:12Speaker 00

  Pull it in. Let it go.

• 58:17Speaker 00

  Fully in.

• 58:20Speaker 00

  Let it go. All in.

• 58:25Speaker 00

  Let it go. Fully in.

• 58:30Speaker 00

  And go. Fully in. Go. Keep on going, Andre. Keep on going. I'm talking to the view while you do this. What is happening with Andre uh uh right now is called respiratory alkalosis. We make alkalize the body. Through breathing out the CO2, the blood becomes alkaline. Alkalinity makes the nervous system react and function better. And then eh it goes into the depth. It's called the autonomic nervous system. This was before thought in science impossible.

• 59:12Speaker 00

  But he is alkalizing the blood and thus suddenly his blood eh changed its biochemistry. He's becoming an alchemist. So can you. So fully in, becoming lightheaded, looming the body. Very soon after ten of these deep breaths, Andre will stay ninety seconds after exhalation without breathing. Is that possible? Yes, very possible because we suppressed by alkalizing the blood, the CO2 breathing trigger. It's down, so you don't feel that you have a need to breathe. What happens in the ten times, three more.

• 59:58Speaker 00

  Eh what happens is that you don't breathe and your deep brain suddenly is bio hacked. And it shoots out adrenaline, then it becomes strong to go into the ice bath. Tranquil and nice. Okay, last one, fully in. Let it go. And stop. Close your mouth. No smuggling, no nothing. He is in no need to breathe right now. After exhalation. So he has a residual amount of oxygen, not enough to normally function. But he is okay. This is when the parasympathetic nervous system is working.

• 1:00:42Speaker 00

  The rehabilitator, the regenerator, the healer in the body, the vagus nerve. He's in peace while he is actually in stress according to the brain stem. So the brain stem activates the adrenal axis. That is hypothalamus, pituitary gland and the adrenal glands. And suddenly, anything that should be out of his body to become the best version of himself is being expelled through the activation of that adrenal spike. He is still without breathing after exhalation. Excellent.

• 1:01:24Speaker 00

  This is the way we work as a greatest biohack and so simple. You better do it. This is the way we get rid of the shit inside and become the strongest version of who we are. Say five, four, three, two, one. Full in. Hold it. And squeeze it to your head. There's a spinal fluid squeezed to your head, entering into the brain stem. The mammalian brain, the human brain, the corona radiata. Hundred percent of his brain is activated right now. Cleansing. Three, two, one.

• 1:02:09Speaker 00

  Let it go. Well done. We do one round more, so you can understand. It is simple, very profound. This is the way we have been injected with bacteria. Bacteria had no chance. Why? Because we've become the best version of ourselves. We clean ourselves up in the depth, and suddenly the immune system works. The autonomic nervous system works. All within our dominion. It is amazing. Okay. Once more.

• 1:02:43Speaker 02

  Let's do it.

• 1:02:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, right now, man. It's all about the love. Here it is, love and power. Full in. Let it go. All in. Let it go. Full in. Let it go. All in. Go. Hey. Go. Hey. Yeah. Everybody has his own rhythm. Full in. Letting go. In. Love. Go with your heart. Have heart for your heart. Go with the flow. In. Go. Hey. Go. Full in. Hey. Go.

• 1:03:29Speaker 00

  Hey. Go. This is pure catharsis. We are doing the study right now in San Diego, and it shows that this works 800% better than normal brain waste cleansing.

• 1:03:49Speaker 00

  No cost. Just breathe. That's why I say, just breathe, motherfucker. Hey. Bang. Hey. So simple. Powerful. Here it is. Go with the flow. In. Go. Hey. Go. Hey. Go. Full in. Go. Hey. Anybody can do this. Hey. Go. Full in. Go. Hey. Go. Five more. Hey. Go. Full in. Go. Hey. Go. Four. Go. Five. Go. Last one. Full in. Let it go. And stop.

• 1:04:35Speaker 00

  It's gonna be two minutes without breathing after exhalation. No air in the lungs. This normally is not able to happen, but we are the alchemists. We change the biochemistry. We alkalize the blood. Suddenly, we get into the deep survival brain. And that is the place of all the opioids, of all the cannabinoids, all the dopamine. If you feel depressed, it's a lack of dopamine. We are crushing it here right now. Two hundred fifty percent more dopamine. Neurotransmitters.

• 1:05:15Speaker 00

  You will feel alive and clean and strong silently. Because in the cold, it is stress, but suddenly you're able to, oh, relax. It's icy water. Amazing. You got that power inside, activated. You can do this any day, and you are the best version of yourself. Still on after exhalation. Once again, excellent. Excelentissimo. Excelente, wow, how do you say that? This is what they say of the president. His excellence.

• 1:06:00Speaker 00

  Excellence is biohacking into the best version of yourself. Five, four, three, two, one, fully in. Hold it. Squeeze it as if you got a shit on the toilet. Now the shit comes out there. Yeah, man, it's, it's so simple. I, I explained it in the primary school to children. It's like poop pain. You squeeze, the shit doesn't want to get out. You got shit in the brain. You gotta get shit out of here. Yeah. Get rid of the shit. And I did that with this, you know, with the school kids.

• 1:06:42Speaker 00

  And everybody, they loved it, and they understand. Because the thing is, what is powerful?

• 1:06:52Speaker 00

  Doesn't ca- freedom doesn't cost anything. Freedom is for free. Power to be is unconditional. Like that. Is who we are and what we are. And we found the Bowyer X. We went to the universities, to the hospitals. They got us injected with the bacteria normally that makes you sick, very sick. Very controlled experiment, not in our case. Because we became the best version of ourselves. We are the healers of ourselves. That is the law of nature. Let's go. Yeah, right on. Yeah, good. I feel that power. Yeah? Oh, wait a minute. Let's do a little horse stance. Okay.

• 1:07:37Speaker 00

  Horse stance is standing like this.

• 1:07:42Speaker 00

  Because then the thighs, they are connected to the adrenal axis. And we make a move.

• 1:08:08Speaker 00

  So they can hear us.

• 1:08:48Speaker 00

  We stand. We are strong. Confirm for yourself, I'm strong. I'm standing in the universe, right there where I gotta be.

• 1:09:02Speaker 00

  Now we will go to the mirror, call to call. And make it a very pleasant experience, because we are in power.

• 1:09:17Speaker 00

  Arctic Ocean.

• 1:09:20Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:09:21André Duqum?

  So do you want to guide me or do you want to go first? Should I go first?

• 1:09:23Speaker 00

  Oh yeah, I'm not going in the cold. It's too cold for me.

• 1:09:28Speaker 00

  I'm an older man, I'm a freebo. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, I got that one. I learned of JP. He won it, huh? Not me?

• 1:09:39Speaker 00

  Okay, I can go first. You know what? We can both.

• 1:09:43André Duqum?

  Both go?

• 1:09:44Speaker 00

  Yes!

• 1:09:44André Duqum?

  Alright.

• 1:09:50André Duqum?

  Oh buddy.

• 1:09:54Speaker 00

  Relax, long out breath. Easy down there. Fun man, fun. We are man. We are man.

• 1:10:04Speaker 00

  They did loveable. But we are man, man. Hey, we are strong. Relaxed. Hey, relaxed.

• 1:10:15André Duqum?

  What's happening to us right now when we're cuddling in the cold plunge?

• 1:10:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:10:19André Duqum?

  What's happening to our physiology, our mind, our body?

• 1:10:22Speaker 00

  Yes. So killer number one is cardiovascular related diseases. Because we never train our cardiovascular workout, it's never been done. The cold is able to make that happen. What it is, it's called adapting to the environmental stress. The activation of the adrenal axis that makes you strong. And suddenly all kinds of hormones set in that enable to nullify the impact of the cold. Or in other words, your inner power suddenly becomes so strong that you don't feel the cold anymore.

• 1:11:02Speaker 00

  And that means that the workout for your vascular system is optimized. And suddenly these veins are all at work. Seventy thousand miles of veins arteries and capillaries in everybody. And we never trained them. This is the best way to train by which the heart doesn't need to work as much. Are you still okay?

• 1:11:27Speaker 02

  I'm okay.

• 1:11:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, me too. We are cool, literally.

• 1:11:32Speaker 02

  Very cool, two cool dudes.

• 1:11:34Speaker 00

  Sexy, uh, six, seven. And by the way, very good for your balls. Because the balls need uh, uh, some uh, uh, they are outside of our body, not at the side of the body. We always squeeze them to the, to the, to the heat of the body. That's no good, that is the way it's prostate. Cancer happens at a certain moment, too long, too hot. So this is like bringing, uh, taking out your dog to shit. They get, taking the balls back in their true nature. Amazing.

• 1:12:07Speaker 02

  I never thought of taking a cold plunge is taking your dog to shit.

• 1:12:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:12:12Speaker 02

  I, uh, I love it.

• 1:12:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:12:14Speaker 02

  What's the number one thing that the cold has taught you in life?

• 1:12:18Speaker 00

  Uh, first of all, to shut up. Because uh, uh, I am a talker and all, I was ruminating in my head. But once, uh, then instinctively I went into the cold, I felt this is it without words. Because rumi came to me. Rumi is like poetry, the life itself, easiness, a heartbeat going down. Not this frenetic train in the, in the head. It stopped, it made it shut up. And suddenly the life appeared. And that, that was my beginning and, and now I know it is the endocannabinoid system that is being activated through the cold,

• 1:13:02Speaker 00

  which is the cannabinoids and the opioids. Cold is pain. This is the way we are, uh, activating the pain center in the, in the brain. And, and suddenly we got all the opioids we need. Let's, let's go out. Yeah, you first, you're it.

• 1:13:21Speaker 00

  So you better get into the cold if you want to live longer and stronger.

• 1:13:37André Duqum?

  What do you think humanity needs to hear? What's the most important message that we need to all be reminded right now?

• 1:13:45Speaker 00

  That it is very close that how to... Because we took the science on it, so there is no speculation about what I say. We now know how to biohack into the deepest of our physiology, both in the brain and the body, just to cleanse the whatever biochemical shit that is coming in from our modern day behavior and radiation and PFAS and microplastics and the shit food we take and all, and then the neurotoxins of relationships. So we don't know how to handle anger, how to regulate emotions. All that has come to an end.

• 1:14:30Speaker 00

  Because I went through science and show that we can beat all these demons. And that's where I am. Because we are beings of light, not heavy, light, not dark. Every day, unconditionally, that's what I want to transmit. Just try it out. Blame me if it doesn't work. But if it works, pass it on. It's about love.

• 1:14:58André Duqum?

  Let's go.

• 1:15:01Speaker 03

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• 1:16:01André Duqum?

  So that was amazing. I feel really good from this morning. The cold, the sun, the movement, the breath. There's something so powerful about realizing that it's also all free. And you've been quoted in many different ways, saying that if you don't go after the cold into the cold, the cold will come after you. And right now, we live in a time with more external comforts than any society previously, but we have an internal slavery to these dopaminergic devices and the food and all these industries that prey on our attention. And the reminder you keep giving us is to come back and to realize the faculties we have that we had since we were born and to make use of them.

• 1:16:44André Duqum?

  And so what do you think about choosing stress so stress doesn't choose us?

• 1:16:52Speaker 00

  I did this on stage too.

• 1:16:55André Duqum?

  Let it rip.

• 1:16:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, just let it rip, man. Don't be R.I.P. Rest in peace. Yeah, have some peace, have a piece of it and rip it. Rip, girl. Go, serve on the brainwaves. Thing is, I just did recently a big study. And it is, as you said, actually, if you don't go after the cold, then the cold will come after you. If you don't go to distress, then the stress will come to you. So we did a study with 500 people and we got it published in Nature. So that means no speculation about it.

• 1:17:37Speaker 00

  We got thousands and thousands of data to show, compared to meditation, which is a great thing, meditation and mindfulness, a great thing, but not necessarily effective to battle stress, modern-day stress.

• 1:17:54Speaker 00

  We need more, a deeper, more intense, anti-stressful techniques to battle that effectively. So we did that study compared to meditation and mindfulness. Meditation mindfulness with whoop,

• 1:18:16Speaker 00

  biometric watches. Yeah. So there is no speculation about it. And they were measured all the time. And the people doing meditation and mindfulness, they were exposed to normal daily stress. And then the people doing the Wim Hof method. It bears my name. I didn't give it, but I like it. It's okay. If you gotta stand up, you stand up. You honor the name. Okay, I do that. But I was not in this study. Sometimes I spoke on the Zoom, but that's all. So the study is done completely independently. So they did that and then they did the Wim Hof method.

• 1:19:02Speaker 00

  And 404 people were included. So there it was. And now the results. The results show that this works 300% better towards stress resilience than meditation and mindfulness. 300% better in development of cognitive awareness compared to meditation and mindfulness. And 400% in energy boost compared to meditation and mindfulness. And then they found another compound. And that is a psychological parameter done by the University of Harvard,

• 1:19:47Speaker 00

  who was included in that big study, which is published in Nature. So no speculation, a lot of peer reviewing and again. It took three years. So it has been going through all the mills and filters and doctors and again and again and again and again. Then they found that superpower, trust.

• 1:20:14Speaker 00

  Not through the meditation and mindfulness, but here suddenly they could. There's a new psychological parameters existent, protocolized scientifically, and it shows how to measure trust. Trust is a department in our brain. It's part of the subcortical higher functioning of the brain. Subcortical means out of the cortical awareness, that is our modern day alertness awareness. And then like subconsciousness, you have subcortical below it. And that is responsible for, say, trust,

• 1:20:59Speaker 00

  confidence, creativity, empathy. All these abstract values have space in the brain, but we had no connection with it. And now we go back into the practice, the tools, the cold and the breathing are so good in biohacking the body to ignite the depth of the physiology in the body and in the brain, that we suddenly are able to access into the subcortical higher functioning of the brain called trust. And they could measure it. And they saw that. And people in life, suddenly they were able to work so much better because they were not competing.

• 1:21:44Speaker 00

  They were working together as social human beings. No fear, just being creative. They talk back to the authority because authority shits like us. They pee like us. There is nobody... You don't pee or shit better than me. They'd say equally brown or maybe yellow because you ate wrong. And then you say it. You talk back to authority. Does it make sense? Yes or no? And if you know more, then I can be taught. I love to be taught. It's very boring if you're not being taught new things. So I love to be taught, but not to be oppressed

• 1:22:28Speaker 00

  in a hierarchical system and being told what to do. That is like bringing your soul down. That is no good. But this is this society. Is built upon that paradigm. So I'm breaking that paradigm and bring people back to their autonomy. And they can trust it.

• 1:22:50André Duqum?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:50Speaker 00

  So those were the results of that. And it's now out there.

• 1:22:55André Duqum?

  I love everything you were you were just sharing it. It just makes me think of

• 1:23:02André Duqum?

  how we are not taught basic functionings of the body and the breath. That if we did, we would have a radically transformed society. When it comes to the breath, we can feel the immediate benefits after doing a practice. You know, like Wim Hof, various different pranayamas that date back thousands and thousands of years.

• 1:23:23André Duqum?

  When it comes to each nostril having a different effect on our nervous system. And the various, you know, dozens of different forms of ways we can use our breath to modulate our neurochemistry and our physiology. What do you wish everyone understood about the power of our breath?

• 1:23:45Speaker 00

  Was a woman lying on the ground doing for the breathing. And she was asking me, Wim, how do I have to breathe through this nostril or this one? Or the mouth or the diaphragm or the belly or maybe it's a well, how do I do? I said, baby, relax, use any hole you got. Just get it in and let it go. It's not complicated anymore. The old pranayamas, the Surya Beda Tatva, the Chandra Beda Tatva, the Kumbhakas, the the the Kevla Kumbhaka, the Antara, the I know all that.

• 1:24:26Speaker 00

  But it doesn't work in the cold because it is not of the cold. These practices are off long ago. Back then, we had more than back then, we had different environmental stresses to solve with breathing techniques and to soothe in our nervous system. Right now, we live in a modern society with ten. More neural activity going on in the brain. We look the same, but inside it all changed. That's why we got iPhones. That's why we got technology. And probably we are aliens and they got in that way. And we think we are talking about aliens.

• 1:25:10Speaker 00

  Man, we are alienating from planet Earth all the time. So it is time to start to make this Earth a paradise. And how do we do that? By effective biohacking. And getting back into the natural settings of Mother Nature. And they are there for anybody, any day. And now I'm proving this. It is like having a bike outside. And you think every morning you go past that bike and it's beautiful. Beautiful color and all, you admire the bike. But you have to walk to your work. And it's fatiguing.

• 1:25:52Speaker 00

  Every day the same, and the rain and this and that. Yeah, you do your work and you do it well. But it's so fatiguing to go to the work and come back all these kilometers. Because you don't know that that bike is yours. You don't know that your mind is yours. And I'm proving time after time in scientific comparative studies, how the brain really works. So we can become aware of our true capacities. And with that, we are very able to regulate our emotions,

• 1:26:34Speaker 00

  to feel unconditional power of love every day. And to fulfill and realize our soul. For that, we have a servant called our brain, the seed of the mind. And that is all there. And then we feel the sacredness of us. Because we are holy beings, not in dualism. We are in conflict with our own soul. And at the end of the life, so many people asking themselves, what did I do with my life? And for those now, I say, life is here and it doesn't stop after we die and pass

• 1:27:18Speaker 00

  over. It didn't start with our birth, but while we are alive, we better live up to our purpose. Let's make this world a paradise, not only for you, ego. Let's, we go. And we go for all the kids in the world, because we are men and we defy fear and we will make that contribution absolutely effective to make this world a great place. That's where we are.

• 1:27:51Speaker 03

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• 1:28:21Speaker 05

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• 1:28:50André Duqum?

  That's where we are. Being on the Know Thyself Podcast, I think what starts as a doorway to stress management, being healthy, exploring breath work, we start to feel better. And the longer sessions have some mystical experiences and counter consciousness in a deeper context. And I know this is something you've explored a lot. And I'm curious what your thoughts are on... What's happening internally? And what do you really believe is consciousness? And who we are in our most fundamental essence? As we do these breathwork practices, we have this flood of endogenous chemicals. We have a deeper experience of self beyond just our own thoughts and emotions. What in your experience have you encountered in those deeper sessions?

• 1:29:34Speaker 00

  I got a question of a professor who is into consciousness. I do these winter expeditions, 250 people present, people present in a room. And then questions and answers. And there was this professor. And he is into consciousness in all kinds of traditions. He said, "I've studied it all last 40 years, but I still got this question. How do you grow your consciousness?" And I told him, "Right there, because I don't know. What the fuck I know? I know. I don't know, but I do it. Because I have the right to get to know.

• 1:30:15Speaker 00

  So right there in the moment, I connect simply with the omnipotence. Omnipresence, omnipotency, it's there and I trust it. I trust it from rock bottom faith that I will be able to connect and that I will have a question answered at that moment." So I said, "I can pick your brain," I said. And I'm not a professor. He is, and he is a specialist in consciousness. And he felt it. And then I said, "The question is great.

• 1:31:00Speaker 00

  It's genuine. A true seeker becomes a finder. If you stay in your shit and you just rhetorically ask a question, then you get shit back. But you are not into that. This is a genuine question. A true seeker will find. Hey, I'm just connected with nature. I think the way nature meant it to be. Because it's not me filling up with academic kind of consciousness. It doesn't work. I am here connected to the omnipotence, which is there for everybody. It's an open library.

• 1:31:43Speaker 00

  You can pick it, you got a question, you send a signal, you get the answer. And the answer was very simple. There are two types of consciousness.

• 1:31:54Speaker 00

  One is to fulfill yourself. And when your cup is full, you can fill others. And once you do that, you fill yourself up with this power of love for life. Your soul feels good. No conflict. The soul is driven by love. It's beautiful, the love is the greatest power, because you don't think anymore. You just feel. And that feel, filled, full, filled. You could call it full field. Whatever, we can play with words, doesn't matter.

• 1:32:33Speaker 00

  So, that is, first you fill your own cup, like any child needs to learn to first stand up and to walk, these neurological pathways need to connect. And then we get into consciousness. And how to expand consciousness. Always follow your feeling. Trust your feeling. Trust your soul to be here with that purpose, giving you all the power to realize its purpose, its work. And so, we are built, and so is everybody. And that's the way we actually should be schooled in our schools. To be ready to serve others.

• 1:33:18Speaker 00

  To bring the love, to heal the world, effectively. Because our soul is able to do that through the unlimited power of the mind. The omniscience is serving us. Omnipotency is the power, is serving us. When the mind is stilled and not your enemy, then it becomes your ally, your greatest ally. And then, you can do anything.

• 1:33:48Speaker 00

  And I didn't use as many words as I did, just very short. But he knew, he felt. The question was answered. Something he was looking for the last forty years. Bing. Very simple.

• 1:34:05André Duqum?

  What is it that you think we're fundamentally looking for? As seekers on this path? What are we, what are we really looking for?

• 1:34:14Speaker 00

  That is exactly what this is. What I'm doing is showing the universities how the real physiology of the nervous system works. The nervous system is electricity. It's the light. How we came in here, how we sing. Are you afraid of the light?

• 1:34:37Speaker 00

  Did you ever feel you can trust? Very simple things. We took them for granted. And we should not think about it, but make it happen. And I will make it happen through neuro mechanistic science and show it in devices measuring and show it in brain scans, how it all works. Because what I can do, anybody can do. I just love humanity so much that I will get rid of the shit in humanity and make this world a pure, clean place where our children will play in their paradise.

• 1:35:22Speaker 00

  That's what I'm doing. And it's coming. And it's almost unbelievable, eh? Because after so many hundreds of years of academics and we still don't know nothing. This is a Dr. Army I met. He's a, he's a top neurosurgeon. And he's got his own building and all the people at the top when they have difficulties with brains and they go over there. It's in Germany. And we were talking three hours. And then he said, "Wim, I know everything of the brain. I've been operating thousands of times into the brain. We know nothing of the brain."

• 1:36:09Speaker 00

  And I say, "Nature knows how to go." And what is that? Not only to survive, but to thrive. We are here for a soul. Not to be mechanistically into the brain and how it all functions, and your mathematics and your history and how to... I'm better than you. No. Are you the best of yourself?

• 1:36:35Speaker 00

  So this is what I say to the biggest fighters and the biggest Olympians and biggest academics. I say, "Hey, I don't care how good you are. I'll make you better. So listen up." And what is it? Listen to this inner voice. Listen to yourself, to your trust. Do you trust yourself? Do you feel that? Because any question can be answered if you only follow the breath.

• 1:37:08Speaker 00

  Trust it. And you will see in brain scans 100% of yourself. And suddenly, your house becomes alive. And you are able to enter into any room you need to go. And you know what? All these spirits, the ancestors, they are within you. They have passed over what they could not solve. Their souls are captivated in your genes. You can liberate them. We go past time because the soul doesn't know time. If you realize your soul, you're able to go into the gene expressions and liberate those souls as well.

• 1:37:53Speaker 00

  Those spirits as well. That is the way we respect our forefathers and foremothers. The way we oppressed with our colonial imperialistic way. The natives in the world? It's over. They are back. To liberate the world and to bring the soul for everybody in the world.

• 1:38:19André Duqum?

  So good, man. Yeah, that... To feel that responsibility as well, like we have the ability to be

• 1:38:28André Duqum?

  a powerful agent of change for the generations that are to come after us, for the generations that came before us. That keeps coming back to that reminder of that power. And when you talk about those two answers you gave him for like first filling up your own cup and then moving forward from that place of knowing and it overflows into all of humanity. I love when you get so fired up and animated about ending the tyranny and the suffering that is so pervasive right now on the planet and how possible it is.

• 1:39:02Speaker 00

  That's what we do.

• 1:39:03André Duqum?

  Yeah, cuz it feels like right now we're so often fed the narrative that we can't do anything. Like it, it just is what it is, you know? And, uh, and so, yeah, conversations like this also reignite that fire within myself. And I think that's what we do for each other, you know?

• 1:39:20Speaker 00

  Power is there.

• 1:39:21André Duqum?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:21Speaker 00

  And you got him. You got him. You are a great soul. You're full of light. Keep on going the way you go. I'm here just to be sight, uh, by your sight to reinforce you, you reinforce me. We inspire each other. Inspiring is inspiration. Inspiration is actually a breath in. That is our spirit comes in and alive. Breathe deep. Go deep. And claim your own power of your own mind. A man who is in control of his mind knows how to regulate its emotion. He will choose happiness.

• 1:40:05Speaker 00

  And a happy man doesn't go to war. A happy man is not into greed. This is the way we are going to stop tyranny. Done. Over. C T R L, delete. Bang. Outta here.

• 1:40:22André Duqum?

  Oh man, it's so good. You're so witty, too. You got all these puns and it's just so beautiful when they come out.

• 1:40:31André Duqum?

  Is there a question in your life that you're looking to have answered right now? That you're living right now?

• 1:40:38Speaker 00

  No, I'm in love with life. And you know, when you are in love, you don't think. You just wanna go reach your goal. And what is that subject? Could be a woman, could be a man, could be, mine is the goal. I got a beautiful family. I'm a lucky devil or a lucky angel, whatever it is. We are here in Los Angeles. I'm an angel, man, I'm flying. And you also, you are light. You are not heavy, you are not dark, you are light. We are flying. So I love that. I'm not looking for anything but this, what we are doing right now. Cause know thyself and know myself.

• 1:41:22Speaker 00

  I'm here to serve.

• 1:41:25André Duqum?

  The service is felt, my friend. Yeah, thank you.

• 1:41:28Speaker 00

  Beautiful.

• 1:41:29André Duqum?

  The, what do you have coming up over the next couple of years? It seems like you've been sharing more with your talks and whatnot.

• 1:41:38Speaker 00

  Studies.

• 1:41:39André Duqum?

  Studies.

• 1:41:39Speaker 00

  A lot of studies. I will prove that we have the neurology, that we got a terrorist. We found it, it's inside, not outside, it's inside. To how to become happy, strong and healthy beyond any speculation for anybody in the world. Let's make the, it's time for the soul.

• 1:42:01Speaker 00

  So I'm gonna continue with a couple of more blocks to make the temple visible for anybody to go in themselves and realize it.

• 1:42:11André Duqum?

  I really appreciate and respect that because I think science is, is the modern language to be able to really convince the mainstream. And, and so all the studies that you have been doing and verifying scientifically what you know internally and what you've experienced in your life, that translation is so needed right now because then it can reach all walks of life. A lot of people need that science to be that doorway in. So that's very exciting. I'm looking forward to seeing what comes out in the near future more.

• 1:42:39Speaker 00

  And I'll be back.

• 1:42:40André Duqum?

  Yeah, oh, we gotta have you back.

• 1:42:42Speaker 00

  We gotta be back because you are my spiritual son or brother, whatever you want. I'm there. I love you.

• 1:42:49André Duqum?

  Thank you, man.

• 1:42:50Speaker 00

  You're amazing and I feel amazing.

• 1:42:53André Duqum?

  I love it. Thank you so much.

• 1:42:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:42:55André Duqum?

  All right, everybody, this has been a powerful episode filled with energy. And I'm so curious to see how it's resonated with you. Let us know and the link's down in the, uh, let us know in the comment section below. And we'll leave links in the description where you can find Wim, his work, his talks, upcoming research, all of that will be linked down below. Thank you. Until next time, be well.

• 1:43:18André Duqum?

  All right, man.

• 1:43:19Speaker 00

  All right.

• 1:43:20André Duqum?

  Sounds great.