E154 - Sadhguru: Life, Death & Why We Miss What Matters Most

Sadhguru delves into the deepest questions of existence—death, the afterlife, and the pursuit of a meaningful life. The conversation begins by exploring how our fear of death often robs us of truly living, and how our identification with thoughts can lead to unnecessary suffering. Sadhguru guides listeners on the pathway to becoming more conscious, challenging us to consider whether we are truly the drivers of our own lives. He discusses the ways we accumulate energy that doesn’t serve us and addresses the problem of a cluttered mind. As the dialogue unfolds, Sadhguru encourages us to face the fragility of time, contemplate the mysteries of the afterlife, and find meaning in both living and dying. Andrés Book Recs: https://www.knowthyselfpodcast.com/book-list ___________ 0:00 Intro 3:52 Our Fear of Death Robs us Of Life 16:04 Identification with Thoughts Lead to Suffering 27:30 The Pathway to Becoming Conscious 36:46 Are You The Driver of Your Life? 46:05 How We Accumulate Energy That’s Not Serving Us 52:59 The Problem of the Cluttered Mind 57:43 Facing the Fragility of Time 1:09:35 The Afterlife & Finding Meaning 1:17:55 Mahasamadhi: Living & Dying How You Choose 1:24:29 Creating Impact While Preserving Inner Peace 1:30:07 Importance of Humor 1:36:13 Embracing Life’s Inherent Unknowns 1:47:00 The Death Process & Breaking Free from Ancestral Conditioning 2:01:04 Mental Health & Miracle of Mind 2:05:53 Conclusion ___________ Episode Resources: https://isha.sadhguru.org/us/en New Book: https://a.co/d/421IJEU App: https://Isha.us/miracleYT https://www.instagram.com/sadhguru/ https://www.instagram.com/andreduqum/ https://www.instagram.com/knowthyself/ https://www.youtube.com/@knowthyselfpodcast https://www.knowthyselfpodcast.com Listen to the show: Spotify: https://spoti.fi/4bZMq9l Apple: https://apple.co/4iATICX

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  Mortality essentially means we are on a limited leash of time. And you're conscious every moment of your life. You will only do what truly matters to you. Most people never experience life. Only the drama in their head, their thoughts, their emotions, their ideas, their opinions, their philosophies. If you don't reverse this, you will neither know life nor death. You will only know psychological drama. Whatever is happening in your mind is made by you or no. If you know this, why can't you do wonderful things in your mind? So, how to become conscious? How not to become a victim of my own thought and my own emotion? So, the simplest thing to do is this.

• 0:45Speaker 00

  This is the nature of life. How strong this is, how many things it can do. At the same time, how fragile it is. This is the phenomenal design of life. And it's the greatest miracle happening here. If you're conscious and you know there is very little time for this miracle, you wouldn't waste one moment doing one bit of nonsense that doesn't matter to you.

• 1:09André Duqum?

  All right, well, everybody, welcome back to the Know Thyself Podcast. It is an honor to be sitting down again today with somebody who's been immensely impactful for my life, for my journey. He's a yogi, a mystic, a visionary. There are many titles we could say, but he's one of the clearest thinkers of our time, in my humble opinion. And he lives very exemplary of that through all of his ecological initiatives, through Project Green Hands, through Save Soil, through Cobre Calling, Rally for Rivers. And he's really helping elevate our paradigm around sustainability around the world.

• 1:49André Duqum?

  So, between that and the billions of lives he's touched through videos online and through the programs, courses, books, teachings, writings, he's really aiming all of his aspirations and endeavors in life towards one human goal, which I share very deeply, and that is the raising of human consciousness. Sadhguru, so good to be with you today.

• 2:20Speaker 02

  Jnanaam Sukadham

• 2:28Speaker 02

  Maranam Karunam Milanam Madhuram Smaranam Karunam

• 2:50Speaker 02

  Kalavashadhyan Sakalam Karunam Samayadhipate Akilam Karunam

• 3:19Speaker 00

  Ms. Karam, good evening, everyone.

• 3:25André Duqum?

  So, gonna explore many topics, death, life. We'll make our way back to death throughout this conversation. You opened up your recent book, Death, A Book for All Those Who Shall Die. Very aptly named.

• 3:40Speaker 00

  Only for those who shall die.

• 3:45André Duqum?

  We're all in that club, and I think we forget it many times. You opened the book, speaking about how many of us perceive death as though it's a third-person event, and we don't have in the forefront of our awareness our own mortality. That robs us of so much vitality in life. And so, could you speak to how keeping in the forefront awareness of our life, our own death and mortality, and how that allows us to embrace life fully?

• 4:18Speaker 00

  Mortality essentially means,

• 4:23Speaker 00

  or realizing that we are mortal essentially means we realize that we are on a limited leash of time.

• 4:35Speaker 00

  We can kick the can a little bit.

• 4:39Speaker 00

  Nobody is negotiating life or death. People are only negotiating for a little more time. So, once you know and you're conscious every moment of your life, that it's a limited amount of time,

• 4:58Speaker 00

  you will only do what truly matters to you. You will have no time to do anything.

• 5:07Speaker 00

  All the nonsense that people do in their day-to-day life will simply evaporate because when you know it's a limited lease of time and you don't have a guarantee card. Hello? You, by a stupid air condition, it comes with seven years guarantee. You have seven days guarantee card? No? So, as we sit here, of those who are alive today, nearly 160,000 people across the world, they won't be there tomorrow.

• 5:49Speaker 00

  In this 160,000, there is no guarantee I will not be there or you will not be there in that list. Hello? We don't wish to be, but possible? Possible or no?

• 6:08Speaker 00

  Possible or no? See, a lot of people think it's not possible because they think other people die. No, no, no. Not other people. People die. And we're all dying kind.

• 6:27Speaker 00

  We're not wishing for it. We're not asking for it. But you wish or you don't wish, you ask or you don't ask. You like it or you don't like it, you shall die. Hmm? When I saw the way certain aspects of death and what is done beyond that was being conducted by people, I decided we... this is a service that needs to be provided properly and we opened many crematoriums in India. So we named it as Kayanta Stanam.

• 7:12Speaker 00

  That's a Sanskrit word. It means a place where the body ends. But even in India, not everybody understands Sanskrit as is. So people, our people came to me, our volunteers came up and said, "Sadhguru, you must give an English byline. Nobody will understand this." I said, "Okay, Kayanta Stanam. Everybody is a customer." They said, "No, no, Sadhguru, this is too up in the face. We can't do this."

• 7:55Speaker 00

  I said, "Okay, Kayanta Stanam. We shall wait. There's no market development. We just wait. Everybody will come one day. Hello?" So this is not to have some sadistic pleasure about it. This is a fundamental fact. If you don't come to terms with it, you won't live.

• 8:26Speaker 00

  Fear of death and attempts to avoid death. You will not ever avoid death. You will only stifle life. "I don't want to die." Will it stop you from dying? Or will it stop you from living? It curtails life process. Because these are not two separate things. What you call as life is also death right now.

• 9:07Speaker 00

  As we sit here, we are all dying, slowly. One day it will be complete, I will bless you with a long life. But one day it will be complete. You think suddenly you will die. It's happening slowly. If you are lost in your psychological process, that is, your thoughts and emotions have become paramount. While today, machines are thinking better than you, they are also emoting. They can even tell you "I love you." Hello? How many times you want, if you program it every day? You want 21 times? It will tell you 21 times?

• 9:52Speaker 00

  "Oh, baby, I love you." Very nicely, no man will say it like this. Hello? Yes or no? Already you got a pod boy or no... Pod boyfriend or what? Because what you think is your thought and emotion, which in the western part of the world, people have made it so big, human thought. Now, with the advent of machines, your thought process will become ridiculous. It always was.

• 10:35Speaker 00

  But, and I've been telling people, but they think, "Maybe he cannot think, but we can think so many things." What nonsense can you think, other than the data that you have? Hello? Can you think something more? Can you think something more than the data that you already possess? Permutations and combinations of the same thing you can do. A machine can do it better. You're already realizing, or no? It can manufacture all the thoughts that you can, and much more. It can manufacture all the emotions that you can, and much more.

• 11:16Speaker 00

  Because this is a psychological process, which runs on data. So in this, being lost in this psychological drama, there is no experience of the existential life. Death is not a psychological phenomenon, it's existential, it's real. And it's happening, right now. If we paid attention to the life process, everybody would be aware of the process of death. Because most people never experience life. Only the drama in their head is ruling their life. Their thoughts, their emotions, their ideas, their opinions, their philosophies,

• 11:58Speaker 00

  and their prejudices are playing out, all the time. Nobody even knows that they're breathing. They know, in the textbook, human beings breathe. But they don't know that they're breathing in a given moment. They don't know that their heart is beating. Something has to happen, terrified, only to doom, doom, doom, doom, doom, then you know. Normal heartbeat, nobody notices. Normal breath, nobody is noticing. Simply because life process has taken a backseat. Psychological process has taken the front seat.

• 12:40Speaker 00

  If you don't reverse this, you will neither know life, nor death. You will only know psychological drama. This is why over eighty percent of the people who die, if you closely observe them, you will see, when the moment comes, they're bewildered. Because they didn't even live and it's getting over. They're not in fear, they're not in pain. They're bewildered because they didn't even live and it's over already. So, it doesn't matter, you have million thoughts in a day. It means nothing, you're making it up. Are you making it up or no?

• 13:25Speaker 00

  You may not be conscious of it, but are you? Are your thoughts made by you? Your emotions made by you? You won't talk to me. What is the problem? I thought I'm talking to the living. That day will come. When somebody comes to your funeral, whatever they say, that day will come. Right now, what's the problem? Because essentially, what we call as life and death is just this. When the energies are in a dynamic state, we call it life. It can become inert, we call it death.

• 14:10Speaker 00

  Yes? Absolute inertia is death. Right now, why? Hello? You practicing? You don't have to practice. Life, you have to practice. Because however the hell you do it, you can still do it better. Yes or no? Life process. However you do it, you can still do it better. Death, don't worry, it'll happen perfectly. Did you ever see anybody dying inefficiently?

• 14:46Speaker 00

  Hello? Life is bloody inefficient, isn't it? Hello? Life is inefficient or no? Life is inefficient. However you improve it, there's something more to do. But death is super-efficient. It doesn't need your invite. It doesn't need your help. It doesn't need your support. It doesn't need your welcome. It'll anyway come, and it'll come absolutely. So you don't have to practice it right now, I'm sorry.

• 15:23André Duqum?

  I think in the inquiry of how we can live fully and the contemplation of our own death, once lived fully, death, as you mentioned, can feel like a natural return instead of a theft because you haven't lived life fully. So it feels like there's something greatly missing upon death. And you also speak to how life and death are in one breath, and in every moment, there is death. And so when you speak to our fundamental mismanagement of our thoughts and our emotions when we want to live well, and you look at the startling statistics around rising anxiety and global suicide happening every 48 seconds, and desiring to live well, could you speak to how our fundamental identification

• 16:08André Duqum?

  with our thoughts and emotions and the closeness we have to it is what is the cause of so much suffering?

• 16:16Speaker 00

  See, anything psychological means made up by you. Am I correct? Hello, all of you, I'm asking you? Yes. What we call as psychological is essentially made up by us. You hate somebody, made up by you or no? Yes. You love somebody, made up by you or no? Yes.

• 16:40Speaker 00

  Everything you can make up. So when you are making up things, why don't you make something that's pleasant and wonderful for you? It's as simple as that. "Oh, some psychological thing is happening. There's a whole lot of people running businesses on that." God damn it, you're turning your own intelligence against you, that's all. Whether you call it stress, anxiety, depression, nonsense, madness, whatever you want to call it, your intelligence has turned against you. If these two fingers pop up and start poking your eyeballs, what should people next to you do? And what do you do if your brother does that?

• 17:24Speaker 00

  Just let him be? No, you'll hold his hand because you're concerned. He will damage himself. If it's not possible, what do you do? Tie his hand to the chair. Not about working, what to do. Call a doctor and amputate the bloody hand. Yes or no? Right now, this is all that's happening to you. Certain sharpness of intellect has been given to you. If you had the brain of an earthworm, you wouldn't have all these problems and you would be eco-friendly too. California is trying hard to be eco-friendly. I'm saying if you had the brain of an earthworm, you would be fine, isn't it? And you wouldn't have thoughts to poke yourself daily

• 18:07Speaker 00

  and call it, "I'm stressed, I'm anxiety, I'm this, I'm that." Right now, your problem is, it took millions of years of evolutionary project to get you this big brain and now you don't know how to handle it. That's all the problem is. Hello? If you remove half of it, you will be peaceful.

• 18:34Speaker 00

  You will be peaceful, yes or no? One half if we remove, you will be quite peaceful. So, the possibility of human intelligence has become a problem. Because we have not attended to it. It's like this. See, if I ask you to imagine something in detail, if I ask you to build one little finger in your imagination in full detail, you will see there will be a lot of struggle. Somebody has to be a good artist to rebuild the whole little finger. Small little thing. Can you do it? Lot of effort, isn't it? Yes or no?

• 19:19Speaker 00

  Because it takes that much application to build a little finger. Let's say you built a castle in the air. You know, castle? You built a huge castle in the air. In full detail, every brick. We will applaud, wonderful, what a wonderful castle you built. But after some time, you start thinking it's real. Then we say you're neurotic. After a while, you start living in that castle. Then we say you're psychotic. Then after a while, another guy comes and collects rent for that castle.

• 20:01Speaker 00

  We call him a psychiatrist. You built it or no? Hello? Whatever is happening in your mind is made by you or no? If you know this, why can't you do wonderful things in your mind?

• 20:28Speaker 00

  No, you have to put chemicals for something wonderful to happen. You got to get smoked out and fogged out for you something wonderful to happen. Why? Your intelligence is capable of creating anything, isn't it? Can you sit here, think of a flower? Huh? Can you think of a tiger with your eyes closed? Mountain, ocean, goddammit, you hold a galaxy if you want. So when you have this kind of capability, you have let it turn against you. And above all, you have started believing it's true. Otherwise, why would you suffer it?

• 21:11Speaker 00

  When Shakespeare wrote his tragedies, I'm sure he thoroughly enjoyed writing them. And a whole lot of people, millions of people across the world have enjoyed these tragedies. Yes or no? Why? Because it's a conscious tragedy. So you like tragedy, please create it. You like comedy, create it. You like a love story, do it. You like war, do it. But if you're doing it consciously and you know you're doing it, whatever the hell you're doing is not a problem. The problem is, you don't know you're doing it. That is the problem, isn't it? So essentially, the problem is not of what you're thinking. The problem is, you're not conscious about it. The same thing with this.

• 21:55Speaker 00

  The problem is not there is anything, any problem with your life. The problem is, you're not conscious that you're alive and it has minimum number of heartbeats left. Minimum means maybe a few million, maybe a billion, but minimum, isn't it? Hello? Nobody has limitless. Everybody has measured. Ah, by doing this and that, keeping yourself well-fit, we can push it. Nobody can avoid it. If you're conscious of it, just, just look at it right now. If you're really conscious,

• 22:39Speaker 00

  I will die one day, and that day, I don't know. Which day, I don't know, isn't it? Every time I get off a plane, I go to the pilot and tell him, "Thank you very much for keeping me alive one more day."

• 22:54Speaker 00

  Because you're just flying an aluminium can.

• 23:02Speaker 00

  Yes or no? You call it whatever you want. Lot of people think everything is okay. No. I am a aviator myself. I'm a licensed pilot. I know. How many things can go wrong in this machine at a given time? It's just that we don't want it to go wrong today. That's about it. But it can, isn't it? Can it or not? Can. The same goes for your car. The same goes for your legs. The same goes for everything. How many people have just sat in a chair and died? Yes or no? Not because of old age, at any age. How many people have died? Millions, isn't it? So, it is not that we are sitting here and thinking, "I'll die today, I'll die today."

• 23:47Speaker 00

  But if you are living totally right now... When I say live totally, not party every night. That's not living totally. Living totally means you're living with a profound experience of life. If you sit here, the experience of life is profound. Because this is the greatest thing that's happening in the known universe, isn't it? Hello? You being alive. A mud ball you are actually. Yes or no? What came from the soil you ate and you became like this? Yes or no? You're just a mud ball. You don't understand, still we bury you. This mud ball, how many possibilities? Miraculous or no?

• 24:31Speaker 00

  If you're conscious and you know there is very little time for this miracle... Oh. You wouldn't waste one moment doing one bit of nonsense that doesn't matter to you. If all of us are doing what genuinely matters to us. Our life is great. The world is great. Yes or no? Right now, too many idiots are doing things that don't mean a damn thing to them. Yes or no?

• 25:04Speaker 00

  So, death is not a separate subject. When you were born, you were drowning in your mother's womb. Do you know this? You think you were breathing? Hello? Any of you ladies have children? No? Okay.

• 25:26Speaker 00

  No, when you were in your mother's womb, were you breathing or were you drowning in her fluids? You were drowning in her fluids. Only because they put a pipe here, you were managing. Just like I see you. Worse than that, actually. When you came out, then somebody picked you up, held you upside down and whacked you on your backside. What is the first thing you did? Inhalation. What do you think is the last thing you will do in your life? Exhalation? Even now, inhalation, exhalation.

• 26:11Speaker 00

  Inhalation, exhalation. The next inhalation doesn't happen. Wherever you look, you are not there. Just vanished without a footprint. Yes or no? This is the nature of life. How strong this is, how many things it can do. At the same time, how fragile it is. One exhalation, next one did not happen, poof. This is the phenomenal design of life. And it's the greatest miracle happening here. And no attention for this because you think what nonsense that's happening in your head

• 26:55Speaker 00

  is more important than what is the life phenomena. Life's phenomena is the greatest phenomena happening in the universe. Yes. But your silly little thoughts will dominate everything.

• 27:16André Duqum?

  For those of us that don't want those silly little thoughts to continue dominating everything, I would love for your guidance. You spoke to how we continually suffer what is an unconscious process and how our intelligence has turned against us. So in your eyes, for the blossoming of human consciousness to occur and for what was once an unconscious process to become conscious in our mind, what is the direct effective path for that?

• 27:40Speaker 00

  See, you're saying conscious in our mind. No, no, no, consciousness does not happen in your mind. Your body and mind happens in consciousness. You cannot be conscious in your mind. You can be alert in your mind. If you're alert in your mind, you'll survive better than others. But you will not be... your experience of life will not necessarily be any better than others. Being conscious... See, you know that you're alive right now only because you're conscious, isn't it? If you were unconscious, sitting here, would you know that you're alive? No.

• 28:22Speaker 00

  So what you call as aliveness and what you call as consciousness are not two different things. Your consciousness is your aliveness. Your aliveness is your consciousness. Body has its own awareness. Body has its own processes. Similarly, your psychological structure has its own processes, has its own alertness. But these two are consequences. These consequences, we are misunderstanding as a source. No. Mind is not the source of consciousness. Consciousness is the source of both body and mind. Now, what is that thing?

• 29:06Speaker 00

  See, you are asleep. When you fast asleep, you neither know that you have a body, nor do you know that you have a mind, nor that you know that you exist. Yes or no? You do not exist, actually. But body, everything is functioning. Hmm? Kidney, livers, spleen, heart, everything functioning or no? Everything functioning. Actually, probably functioning better than when you're walking around. Same thing with your mind. Many things are happening in the mind. You may not be conscious, but a million things are happening in the mind when you're sleeping.

• 29:50Speaker 00

  So mind is on, body is on. Only you are not on. Just say that. Yes? You are not conscious, but body is on, mind is on, world is on. But in your experience, body, mind, world, everything disappeared. Because that is fundamental. All these are consequences. So how to become conscious? How not to become a victim of my own thought and my own emotion? First... There are many profound processes. But first thing is, see, if I think what I am thinking is very smart,

• 30:35Speaker 00

  can I give it up? If I see this is stupid, then I'll distance myself. If I think I am very smart, I am thinking my thoughts are very, very profound and smart thoughts, can I give it up? No way to give it up, isn't it? So this is a first step you do, that whatever brilliant thought you have, your brilliance is only because there are some dumb people around you. Hello?

• 31:10Speaker 00

  Yes, sir, no.

• 31:13Speaker 00

  Right now, you say, you call your phone a smartphone. When do you call somebody smart? Only if they're smarter than you, isn't it? Hello? Only if they're smarter than you, you call them smart. If you are smarter than them, you don't say they are smart. Similarly, you're calling a phone smart, that means... The phone is in dumb company.

• 31:44Speaker 00

  So, whatever the smartest thought you have, doesn't even account for a tiny miniscule of this cosmos, isn't it? If you read all the libraries on the planet, still what you know is a miniscule in this cosmos. In this whole universe, this solar system itself is a speck. In that planet, Earth is a micro speck. In that California is a super microscope. In that, Los Angeles is a super, super micro speck. In that, you are a big man. Lack of perspective, I'm saying.

• 32:29Speaker 00

  Once you lack such basic perspective, thoughts will run. So, the simplest thing to do is this. If you sit here and just look at yourself, today, before you go to bed, you sit down, spend 10 minutes, and do this. What are all the things you have gathered? Your home, you gathered it over a period of time. Your car, you gathered it. This body also, you gathered over a period of time, right? Were you born like this, you guys? You were born like this? No. Slowly, you gathered. So, your body, you gathered. Whatever the content of the mind, you gathered. People around you, you gathered.

• 33:14Speaker 00

  Everything gathered. Everything that you have gathered, just keep it aside. Don't give it up, don't throw it out. Just keep it aside and go to bed. See if you can do that. It'll take some effort, but just do this. One day, when you go to bed and wake up, you will wake up like a new being. Everything that you have gathered, you don't have to give it up. Just keep it aside for the night and sleep. But you're not even able to keep the phone aside, you have to sleep with it. Hello?

• 33:53Speaker 00

  Forget about your mind. So make an effort. Ten minutes you spend today, gradually the time can be reduced to two minutes. Two minutes in the night, sit there, keep everything aside and sleep. Initially, it looks like a ridiculous exercise. One day, when you just manage to do that and sleep, morning you wake up, you're boom. Just do that, simple. Because these thoughts are running like this, like mental diarrhea, because you've eaten bad food. What you are not, you're believing you are. What you gather can be yours.

• 34:38Speaker 00

  Can it be you? Hello? Whatever you have gathered, I am not disputing it, it is yours. But is it you? So what about your body? What about the content of your mind? What about the people? What about the things that you gathered? You gathered them, it's yours. We will not take it away. But it can't be you, isn't it? If you know that much, thoughts will deflate. Right now, you believe yourself to be something other than what you are. Suppose I think I am this vessel. You know I am a nutcase. Yes or no?

• 35:22Speaker 00

  Tell me, it's okay. So if you think you're this vessel, are you not a nutcase? Hello? So when you're a nutcase, your thoughts will run like that. Because things are loose. So what is you, what is not you? You don't know what is you. At least what is not you, keep it aside. What is not you, just keep it aside. Just two, three minutes in the night before you go to bed, keep it aside and sleep off. Comfortable, isn't it?

• 36:03Speaker 00

  You will see, thoughts will just fall away because only if you identify yourself with something that you're not, these thoughts will run a bit wild like this. Otherwise, they will not. They cannot, because there's no fuel. We are not trying to apply brakes, because there are no brakes on your mind. Switch off the ignition and sit, it will stop. Little, little roll.

• 36:32André Duqum?

  I think in that direct perception of who we are and who we're not, the liberation becomes realized. And you speak to rananabunda as the accumulation of energies that aren't essentially ours. And so, for those of us that want to separate ourselves from the noise that we've accumulated internally, externally, how important is it to reflect on what that is and how we can be mindful of that moving forward?

• 36:59Speaker 00

  We're in California, we shouldn't talk about rananabunda. People can't live without hugging each other 10 times a day. Hello?

• 37:08André Duqum?

  I think that's why it's important.

• 37:12Speaker 00

  10 is too little, you see. So, see, outside is not the problem. Outside, we can do what is needed. It's the way we are within ourselves which is the issue. Whatever we are doing, is it being driven by something? Or are you driving it? This much you can observe, isn't it? Everybody asks me, "Sadhguru, what drives you?" "God damn it, do I look like somebody's driving me?" I drive myself to the extent that I want. Nobody and nothing drives me. No, no, what inspires you? I'm not inspired.

• 37:58Speaker 00

  I am essentially lazy. I am doing things because it's needed. Everybody is hungry, so you do something. Well, it'll do something means it'll become sixteen, eighteen hours a day, seven days of the week. Forty-three years it's on. But I may die of exhaustion, but I'll not die of stress. That's for hundred percent. I may die of exhaustion. Every day I'm pushing myself like that on everything. But essentially, why something driving you means you're still an animal in the evolutionary scale.

• 38:41Speaker 00

  Animals are driven by something. They are by their hormones, by their instincts, by their whatever. They're driven. Once you become human, it essentially means the steering wheel is in your hands. Yes or no? That's what it means, that the steering wheel is in your hands. Some fundamentals of the body, of food, this and that, may be still driven to some extent. But rest of it must be completely in your hands. If your throttle is in somebody else's hands, you will always live. Let me put it this way, you're driving.

• 39:23Speaker 00

  Somebody who's very dear to you, they like to press the throttle for you, who's sitting in the passenger seat. Even if you love them very much, you will be constantly terrified. Yes or no? Huh? That's all that's happening right now. Simply stress and anxiety because somebody else presses the throttle. Somebody else means it may not necessarily be a person, something else pressing the throttle and you doing this through life process. If you are pressing the throttle, you know how much to press, isn't it?

• 40:03Speaker 00

  Someone else, it doesn't matter how dear they are to you, they're a disaster. When you are driving, if they are pressing the throttle, yes or no? You're driving, but they are pressing the throttle, it's a disaster. Then you must go to self-driven cars. That's where you're going.

• 40:22Speaker 00

  Self-driven car means, they're not, it is not necessary to be human. Because, human is a self-driven car. All animals are driven by nature's forces. Once you become human, only small aspects of you are driven. Rest is, you can drive it the way you want. But, how much of you is driven by you? How much of you is driven by other forces? If you look at this, thought will just come down. Too much is driven by other forces.

• 41:04Speaker 00

  Your very thought process is driven by various forces in the society, in the world. For many things. See, the way people are living, every stage of life seems to be a problem. If you're a toddler, diaper problem. You become an adolescent, hormonal problem. Middle age, crisis. Old age, horrible. Death, terrifying. When is it good, I'm asking? So, best thing is to be soaked in something.

• 41:48Speaker 00

  California. Best thing is to be soaked in something. Alcohol, drug, all these things, why they have become important? Essentially because we have not learned how to handle our own intelligence, that's all. If you knew how to handle your own intelligence, there is, Andrea may be familiar with this. We have a center for Conscious Planet in the Harvard Medical School. In the last six, seven years, they have done some fantastic work. Some of the things are showing by doing a simple practice. Twenty-one minutes a day, a simple practice. Within a matter of few weeks, six to 12 weeks,

• 42:31Speaker 00

  your B D N F, that is a brain-derived neurotropic factors, are 70% higher. Your endocannabinoids are 240% higher. Free, I'm telling you. You don't have to buy it in the backstreet. Now, of course, you're getting it legal in California.

• 42:50Speaker 00

  But there are endocannabinoids in the body. Look at my eyes, I am always stoned. Never touch the substance. Because the purest thing is here, within the system. And they are looking at the bliss factor in the body and saying that the people who are doing this practice, the bliss factor in their bodies is 23% higher than what happens in a sexual orgasm, simply sitting here. So if you are blissed out like this, will you be driven by something? Hmm?

• 43:34Speaker 00

  That's the only reason why people are smoking pot, why people are taking drugs, because they don't want to be driven, they want to be blissed out. But you tell me, the greatest chemical factory on the planet, is it here or somewhere else? This is the most sophisticated chemical factory on the planet. The question is only, are you a great manager of this factory? Or are you a lousy manager? That's all there is. What does a great manager of something means? Whatever you are running, a process, you produce what you want, then you are a good manager. You want to produce this, that happens. You are a lousy manager, yes or no?

• 44:18Speaker 00

  So if you are given a choice for yourself, if you sit here, you want to sit here in absolute blissfulness and ecstasy or in misery, choose every one of you, I am going to bless you, it's up to you. Yes, no, silence, I am blessing you. Bliss, misery, what? Bliss. Choose, it's very important. Every cell in your body must hear it, that you are making this choice. I want to live blissfully. Hello?

• 44:51Speaker 00

  Not just on weekends or in the evenings, through the day, every moment. Not because of something else, simply because all the equipment is here. If you just learn to manage this, there is no question in anybody's mind whether they want highest level of pleasantness or highest level of unpleasantness for themselves. What you want for your neighbor sometimes is debatable, but for yourselves, highest level of pleasantness, yes or no? Why something so simple is not happening? When you have all the equipment? No attention to life process, too much psychological process.

• 45:34Speaker 00

  So this shift needs to happen. Will you make it happen in California? Or shall I start from Tennessee? I'm in a hot place. But they're doing well. You thought you were way ahead of them? No.

• 46:02André Duqum?

  I loved all of that. Just further iteration on Runanabunda specifically is, what do you see when you look out in the world the most unskillful way we accumulate energies that are not serving us? That we can be painful of?

• 46:19Speaker 00

  See, the more affluent a given society becomes, the more enslavement you see on their faces. With affluence, they should be liberated. But unfortunately, all affluent societies around the world, you see, they are enslaved to something so badly. Poorer societies in the world are little more joyful and liberated. Nothing matters to them, you know?

• 46:53Speaker 00

  Poor in the affluent society, they are also bad. You come to southern India, there are tribal societies. If you go there, they hardly have anything. One-room homes, no furniture, no nothing, two pairs of clothes, and three, four utensils in the house, this is all their houses. You see, they have got such big grins on their faces. Absolutely no problem. All right. They are living like full-on. That's not there in affluent societies. You move to big cities, always enslaved to something, always enslaved to something.

• 47:36Speaker 00

  This is waste of affluence because this human affluence did not come easy. Generations of people worked hard to make it happen, isn't it? Hello? Today, whatever comfort and conveniences you are enjoying today has not just happened like that. It's happened because a few generations worked their lives out to make it happen, isn't it? But most affluent societies on the planet do not enjoy it, they suffer it. Not just here, everywhere. The same problem.

• 48:17Speaker 00

  So, this is because their survival mode doesn't change. See, there are basic survival needs for us. We need to have food to eat. If we have not eaten, what other profound things are we interested in? We are not interested in anything, hello? We just want to eat something. So, survival doesn't stay with simple things of life which are a must to sustain this life. Now, as society becomes affluent, your survival becomes a certain kind of car, certain kind of home, certain kind of clothing. It just keeps on growing. The bar of survival is being raised and raised and raised in such a way

• 49:02Speaker 00

  that if you're a billionaire, you're still miserable.

• 49:08Speaker 00

  I’ve been in these economic forums and stuff. I’ve met hundreds of these billionaires. They live like beggars. Their mind is that of a beggar. They’re always looking. A beggar is looking for $10 bill. These guys are looking for 10 billion, but nothing different. Same level of stress, same level of anxiety, same level of... In human experience, billion, million, ten has no meaning. Hello? It has no meaning. It’s only in the marketplace it means something, isn’t it? In human experience, what does it matter? It’s like this. Suppose you had 1 billion dollars and you lost it today.

• 49:52Speaker 00

  You are very miserable. Another man in some remote place had one cow. He lost that one cow today. He is also miserable. You think you’re more miserable than him? But is one cow and 1 billion comparable in the marketplace? But in human experience, 1 billion, 1 cow is the same thing, isn’t it? Somebody lost a penny. Somebody lost a lollipop and they may be as miserable as losing a billion dollars. Yes or no? So, human experience is like that. It’s not connected to numbers. Numbers are of the marketplace. But if you do not make this distinction,

• 50:35Speaker 00

  what rules our experience? And what facilitate things in the world around us? If you don’t have any distinction like that, then everything that happens around you happens within you and always you will be troubled no matter what. People are living like that. As a generation of people, we have more things than any generation ever had. Yes or no? Compared to your parents and your grandparents and their parents, aren’t you having much, much, much more than them? In every way? Yes? Compared to your grandfather, how many more pairs of clothes do you have? Way more, isn't it? Yes or no?

• 51:19Speaker 00

  Ten times more, probably. But still, "Oh, what shall I wear? What shall I wear?" Problem. It is not in the clothes. The problem is not in the clothes. The problem is not in the house. The problem is not in the wealth. The problem is, you do not know what you have gathered and what is you. It's gotten mixed up. Keep these two things separately. I have gathered all this. They're useful for me. It's fine. But what is me? That must stay free from that. What we gather, sometimes will go, sometimes will come. More than anything... See, right now, you're sitting on this chair.

• 52:02Speaker 00

  Suppose, after some time, you've started thinking, "This is my chair." After some time, you think, "This is me." I read, this is what has happened to you. See, food appeared in your plate. You said, "This is my food." You ate it. And now you say, "This is me." Same problem or no? Then after some time, when you think this chair is you, just see how ugly life becomes. Wherever you walk, your chair is stuck to your backside. How... How ugly it is. Hello? That's all that's happening. Too many things are stuck to you. It won't let you live. It won't let you die. We should make an exercise.

• 52:46Speaker 00

  You all keep... Hold the chair to your backside and walk around. Just see how funny it is. Yeah, this is Runanu Bandha only I'm talking. Mm-hmm. He's... He wants to go back to Runanu Bandha. So let me satisfy him also. I was gonna let it go. I was gonna let it go. What Runanu Bandha means is, as there is a mental memory, there is a physical memory. Anything that you touch, in some way, an imprint of that happens within you. And you also leave a puddle of memory there. See, today, you are sitting here right now.

• 53:30Speaker 00

  If you bring a dog, maybe your own dog, not a police dog, okay? Your own. If your dog comes, it knows you were sitting here, not somebody else. Yes or no? What is so special about your smell? But he distinctly knows it's you. Oh, because the body smell is there, this, this, this, you'll explain. It's not all about that. Today, there are forensic instruments. If you sit here and go away now, five to ten days later, if they come, it's a thermal imaging thing, they can say you were sitting right here, not there. Okay? Machine.

• 54:14Speaker 00

  Not smelling. Imaging. So obviously, you're leaving a puddle of your energy when you sit here. Otherwise, how would they know? Where is the footprint? Similarly, if you're leaving a puddle, whatever else you touch, that is also leaving a puddle in you. If this mixture is a little too much, then the memories within your system become so complicated that you can't come to ease. It'll become difficult to come to ease. So this is the reason when people are doing sadhana, they stay away from everything because staying with anything becomes a disturbance to the system. If you take in too many memories into the system,

• 54:58Speaker 00

  then a lot of confusion will happen within you, not necessarily in the mind. Your system itself will be confused in such a way that it will struggle to be at ease, to be just joyful, to make people laugh. We have to tickle. Hello? I'm trying. You have to tickle them. You have to do something to them, or you have to give them a drug. You have to do something to make them relax. Even if they have to say, "I love you", you must first get them a drink. Hello? You become like that? Yes or no?

• 55:42Speaker 00

  Simply because everything has become rigid like this. Too many memories in the body, not able to relax. To bring this to ease means the runanubandha, which is a physiological memory that you gather, you must bring it down, you must minimize. It should not be too complicated. If it's too complicated, then you being at peace and a simple sense of joy will go away. You will become calculated. Calculated not in some brilliant way. Simply stupid calculations are going on in people's heads. If they had brilliant calculations, they would have been something. At least they would have been a president

• 56:24Speaker 00

  or prime minister of some country, if not a king. But stupid calculations are happening for petty things all the time because unnecessary memories, they won't let you be. Unnecessary programming, software is all confused. So it is going on, something happening. Unnecessary things which are of no value to your life or any life. So this is runanubandha. You're taking in too many memories. To keep it in a certain way, to see that your body doesn't take too much memory. Your mind can take any amount of memory because there is a discrimination there. Body does not have the discriminatory sense.

• 57:09Speaker 00

  Whatever it gathers becomes its own reality within itself. So even a police dog will get confused if they come after you probably. So much runanubandha. So runanubandha is that aspect of memory which you physiologically take imprints. It's always best it's kept to minimum. If it becomes too much, then being at ease, being joyful, becomes difficult.

• 57:41André Duqum?

  So, in pursuit of returning back to what matters most, you speak to how we suffer the two greatest gifts of our memory and our imagination. I'm curious, when someone decides to go on a spiritual path and make this a more conscious process, how does memory and karma come into making way for what's going to matter most to us and how we can serve the world?

• 58:09Speaker 00

  What I would I'm going to say, I'm saying this very consciously, please don't go on any spiritual path.

• 58:18Speaker 00

  There is, you're a life.

• 58:22Speaker 00

  Are you just a body?

• 58:25Speaker 00

  Hmm? Are you just a bundle of thoughts and emotions? Something more than that is here. You may not know what it is, but it's there. Yes?

• 58:36Speaker 00

  So, you're fully equipped to be a full-fledged life? Or are you half a life? Are you a full-fledged life or half a life? Not the way you're sitting, I'm wondering. Are you a full-fledged life or half a life? Full. Full-fledged life. So you have everything that is needed to make this life fulfilling? Why is that not happening? Because any one aspect could have become dominant. Maybe when you're 16, 17, your body was too dominant, your brains didn't work. After some time, your brains are working too much and it doesn't allow you to do anything except its own calculations.

• 59:21Speaker 00

  Like this, one or the other is dominating. Bringing them to some equanimity. Body needs to function, otherwise, how the hell are you going to be spiritual? Hello?

• 59:34Speaker 00

  Body needs to be there, isn't it? Unless you want to go to heaven.

• 59:43Speaker 00

  Because if you want to go to heaven, the first qualification is you must die. You know that, hello? You know that, right? So unless you want to go to heaven, that's a different game. But for you to be spiritual, you need a good body. What kind of body you need? If you sit here, it doesn't bother you. Right now, you sit here, your bladder becomes full. I am going to talk about enlightenment. You want to go to the bathroom. Yes or no? This is the nature of the body. Right now, one body compulsion comes means doesn't matter who is doing what, the highest thing is being offered.

• 1:00:27Speaker 00

  You want to go to the bathroom, isn't it? Isn't this the nature of the body? That's all it is. So keeping the body in such a way that it doesn't rule you, it's there, keep it well. You must keep it well. Otherwise, it will rule you. Just your little finger, we will cut it. Hmm? Only your little finger. Your whole attention will be just here. Are you interested in enlightenment? Little finger is all that matters, isn't it? So this is the nature of the body. If you don't keep it well, it'll rule you. It'll become ill means after that it's a full-time job, body. Yes or no?

• 1:01:12Speaker 00

  Your body became ill means it is a full-time job, body. You can't attend to anything else. So keeping it well means it's not in the way. It's not an impediment. It's a stepping stone. It's not an impediment. But if you don't keep it well, it will become an impediment. Or if you keep it in a very compulsive state, it is an impediment. It rules. See, right now, look at all the arrangements of your life. I'm not just saying to you, the whole world. All the arrangements that people are making are to satisfy the compulsions of the body and the compulsions of the mind. Yes or no?

• 1:01:55Speaker 00

  Everything, the whole damn world, you can call it society, you can call it economy, you can call it whatever you want. But essentially, to fulfill the physiological needs and the psychological needs, the entire human energy is going towards this. This has to change in your life. Physiology needs some attention, psychology needs some attention. But the fundamental life that we are is the most important thing. Because this will deplete. Body may become weak as time goes by. Mind also may lose its capabilities. But life need not lose its exuberance.

• 1:02:39Speaker 00

  Right now, that's what has happened. See, if I had met you, if I had met you when you're six years of age, full of life can't hold you down. No. Can't get you up. Takes a lot of work. What happened? Just the cycles of time. Because what you call as life is just two ingredients, time and energy. Cycles of time are rolling ruthlessly and ceaselessly for everybody.

• 1:03:22Speaker 00

  You can't stop it, you have brakes. You can slow down today. Or yesterday, you didn't do much, can you rewind? No, it's just rolling away. Since the time you came here, you're like one and a half hours closer to your grave. Yes or no? Me too. Yes or no? Yes. Because time is ruthless. Doesn't take anybody's permission. It doesn't matter who the hell you are. You're a king or a beggar, it rolls. You're intelligent or stupid, it rolls. You're joyful or miserable, it rolls. Whatever the hell you are, it rolls, isn't it? So time, there is nothing you can do.

• 1:04:06Speaker 00

  But if you bring equanimity to yourself, when I say equanimity, not... Life is not yes and no. Yes and no. You are yes and yes to life. Absolute yes to life. If you become equanimous like this, then you will rise above the cycles of time and you will learn to ride the cycles of time. If you're riding the cycles of time, your life will become a blissful dance. If you're being crushed by the cycles of time, slowly your face will become grave. Grave means what? It is going to the grave? Or it just came out of the grave? I don't know what.

• 1:04:51Speaker 00

  Whole lot of faces in Los Angeles, where largely they're doing better than a whole lot of places on the planet. Yes or no? Their nourishment, their clothing, their housing, everything is way better. But if you look at lot of people, it looks like they just walked out of their grave.

• 1:05:11Speaker 00

  They're sitting in a dream car lot.

• 1:05:16Speaker 00

  Look like they just walked out of their grave. A grave face means what? Hello?

• 1:05:26Speaker 00

  See, dead can be fixed in many ways. Living can only be fixed from within. If I fix you from outside, uh... that is called correctional center. Nothing gets fixed, except beating. Hello? Slavery, nothing else fixed. Just beating and trashing and cruelty and pain. Does anything get fixed for a human being? Hello? By force, does anything get fixed, I am asking? No. So if at all, if anything has to be fixed, it can only be fixed by transformation. But dead can be fixed in so many ways.

• 1:06:09Speaker 00

  This happened. A lady in Tennessee, she lost her husband. So, the body was taken to the undertaker's place. And always he had a wig. And he never want anybody to see him without a wig. Except his wife, nobody had seen him without a wig. But when he is dead and in the funeral home, whichever way they try to keep this wig, it just falls off. Then the lady said to the undertaker, somehow fix this wig because John never wanted anybody

• 1:06:54Speaker 00

  to see him without a wig. I don't want him to lie down there bald. Even I can't recognize him now, without the wig. So he, the undertaker said, "No problem ma'am. Tomorrow you come, I will have it fixed." Tomorrow she came, the wig was in place. She was so overjoyed. "I am so happy, what does it cost? Tell me, I want to pay you for this." He said, "No ma'am, just only one dollar." "What, only one dollar? What did you do?" "Oh, he just took two nails ma'am." Talk, talk. There is a way to fix the dead. Way to fix the living is not like that.

• 1:07:38Speaker 00

  Look. Living has to be fixed from within, with willingness. Hello?

• 1:07:47Speaker 00

  Yes or no? Yeah. I try to fix you from outside. It’ll only be a disaster. It is only with willingness, with transformation. That means you’re willing to change your present form. Transform means what? You’re willing to change the form that you are in right now. Your form is physical, your form is mental, your form is energetic. This form has to change. Means some fundamental changes need to happen. In all this, the first and foremost thing is to accept and embrace the fundamental fact that I’m mortal. I’m here on a limited lease of time.

• 1:08:31Speaker 00

  If you know this, you cannot avoid transformation. Somewhere, there is a belief, other people die, not me. No, no, you and me are dying kind, I’m just reminding. Me before you maybe, but you also. Everybody is a customer. People come and tell me, “Sadhguru, this enemy of mine, oh, I want to...” “Hey, don’t worry, just wait, he’ll die.” Hello? Yes or no? Why are you taking the trouble? Just wait, he’ll go. Or maybe you’ll go. One way or the other, you’re rid of him.

• 1:09:20André Duqum?

  Father, time is undefeated. Something maybe a bit more exotic. Modern science rejects notions of metaphysics and there’s the religious promise of the afterlife and heaven and hell. And I’ve spoken to you in the past about the afterlife and past lives and your internal struggle when awakening to the visceral experience of recollection, recollection of past existences and wrestling with that in your logical, scientific mind. And so, what is the middle path here in terms of experiencing what the reality is of what comes after we die?

• 1:10:03Speaker 00

  See, the problem with these things is, if you tell somebody something which is not in their experience, very few people are sincere enough to see that maybe this is true, but not it true for me. Let me explore. Most people will start hallucinating. They will straight away go to heaven, talk to God, take a tour of the heaven, everything they will do within 10 minutes. Hello? The moment you tell them there is a upper deck, you think they will not go there? They will go away, run away, and imagine all kinds of things. So, let's see it this way.

• 1:10:48Speaker 00

  This is what I've been going at in so many different ways. You know you accumulated the body. It's just a piece of the planet, isn't it? Hello? Just a piece of the planet. What you ate, piece of the planet, sitting here, serving you well, as if it's part of you, or as if it's you. It is part of you, but in your experience, as if it's like you, isn't it? But you know, you have enough intelligence to understand, you have gathered this. So is this, you have gathered this. So, if these two things are accumulations, everything else, you know the chair is not you, hello?

• 1:11:32Speaker 00

  Let me see when you get up, okay? You know the other things. So, if these two things are accumulated, there seems to be something more. You don't know. But there seems to be something more called myself. Maybe it's just an idea. Maybe it's just a bundle of thoughts and emotions. You don't know, but you know something beyond this blood and gore that you have, something more seems to be there here. Right now, you're looking at me? Hmm? Are your eyes looking at me?

• 1:12:18Speaker 00

  You're looking through the window of your eyes. You're looking at... If you close your eyes, you're not looking at me, but you're still there. Huh? Window's closed, but you're still there, isn't it? So, there seems to be something more. Beyond this body, there seems to be something more. It's not an absolute experience right now, but you see, there seems to be something more. So, give it a chance. Let's see if we can make a little more out of that. Let's see if we can bring a little more of that into our experience. Right now, this hand is properly in your experience, isn't it? It's here.

• 1:13:00Speaker 00

  If it becomes like this, as real as this hand in your experience, this something more, which is looking at me through the window of your eyes, then you have no problem. You know what is you, what is not you. It's just that your time and energies have never been applied in that direction. Your time and energies is you want to conquer the world. But even suppose I make you... Don't tell anybody. If I make you the king of this world, will you be fulfilled? No. You'll want the moon, isn't it? Hello? If I give you the moon...

• 1:13:45Speaker 00

  Mars? Musk is going there, how can you not take it before him? If I give you the whole solar system, you look at the rest of the galaxy. So, there is something within you, which is anyway not going to settle. We buy shopping for more and more. So, you shop what you need. No problem. But shopping for the sake of enhancement is not going to work because if you get this much, but the person next to you get that much, again, you'll feel the same thing. This happened just before I launched the Safe Soil Project. I came to United States

• 1:14:29Speaker 00

  and trying to drum up support with the media and various other things. I think I also came to you guys at that time. At that time, I am sitting somewhere and one morning, one young man is running around like his tail is on fire. I just look at him, the way he is moving around and say, "Hey, what are you up to?" "No, Sadhguru, I want to make one billion dollars. I want to make one billion dollars." I said, "Only one billion? You come tomorrow morning, I will give you one billion dollars." "Really, Sadhguru? You will give me one billion dollars?" I said, "Yes, you come tomorrow morning, I will give you one billion dollars."

• 1:15:11Speaker 00

  Eight of his friends had come with him. They were quietly sitting there. I said, "See, these eight guys, I am going to give all of them ten billion dollars each tomorrow." "Why, why, Sadhguru? They get ten billion, I get only one billion?" "You idiot, just now you said your life's ambition is to get one billion dollars. The moment they get ten billion dollars, you are already having a problem. Neither you got nor he got, but already there is a problem. Because they are getting ten billion, I am getting one billion. So I am saying, whatever you get, you will compare to something else and struggle. So these outside things you gather to the extent it's necessary.

• 1:15:53Speaker 00

  Different people need different things. I will not set a standard for you. My standards may be only this much, maybe you need this much, all right? But by gathering this much or that much, it will not enhance your life. It will enhance and facilitate our activity a little bit. If you have the money, if you have the convenience, you can do certain things in the world, but it will not enhance this in any way. Enhancing this means you have to approach it, you have to turn inward. Right now, all your phabs and sorgans are outward, yes? You can't roll your eyeballs inward and scan yourself. You can't hear what's happening here.

• 1:16:38Speaker 00

  You... you cannot smell what's happening in this body, otherwise you're finished, I am telling you.

• 1:16:47Speaker 00

  Yes or no? Somebody else you can smell. What's happening here you cannot smell? Aren't you glad? So all sense organs are outward bound. To turn inward takes a bit of an effort. That effort is missing in the world. That's what we're trying to bring about. For as a solution for life and death, the only thing is you turn inward, that you are able to pay attention to something that is beyond the accumulations of the body and the accumulations of the mind. If this one thing happens, the rest of it is just a play.

• 1:17:32André Duqum?

  I think it's important to be able to explore these things without accepting or rejecting it. And yet, the thought of many great yogis throughout time talking about dropping this body at will and these different possibilities about the true nature of ourself and our consciousness, it just begs the question of who we are fundamentally. So when you speak about Mahasamadhi and the possibilities of the different ways we can leave this body, what do you think is interesting to explore here that would serve people?

• 1:18:08Speaker 00

  So let's look at it this way. The last act that you perform in this life is death. Am I correct? The last thing that you do in this life is death. Is it not important that you do it in style? At least you do it well.

• 1:18:28André Duqum?

  Maybe with a wig.

• 1:18:29Speaker 00

  That is your wife's problem. Not yours. A dead man is like this.

• 1:18:43Speaker 00

  You go and tell him, "You have won the..." Which state is the biggest? Tennessee State is the biggest lottery, is it? Tennessee State Lottery, hundred million dollars, you have won. He's not interested. You tell him, "In your backyard, we found the largest diamond on the planet." Not interested. You tell him whatever he was hopping around for yesterday. Not interested. What happened to this guy? He lost only one thing. Only life he lost. He can still have money. He can still have diamond. He can still have wealth.

• 1:19:28Speaker 00

  No, he's not interested in anything. Because there is only one goddamn thing that you have, which is life. Rest is all your imagination. Hello? Right now, you have a billion dollars. I took out your memory chip. Billion dollars. Where is it? What do you do with it? Nobody. Your husband, your wife, your mother, father, children. Poof, everybody vanished if I just pulled the memory chip, isn't it? Hello? With a little bit of memory, you're acting funny.

• 1:20:11Speaker 00

  Stop this. It's all play of memory, isn't it? All drama is from your memory you're creating, yes or no? Using your imagination. At least, it's your drama. You're the director. Let it happen the way you want. If you're a bad director, see, people are thinking their life is not going the way they want. No, even their bloody dream is not going the way they want. Hello? They can't even dream straight as they want. They're dreaming all their own things. What's happening in your mind is a dream or not? Hello?

• 1:20:56Speaker 00

  Night or day? Dream or not? Daydream or nightdream? It doesn’t matter. Dream, isn’t it? At least your bloody dream must happen the way you want. Life has many problems. There may be various situations. It’s not all yours. Too many people are involved. Some things happen your way. Some things don’t happen your way. But this one should happen your way. Hello? If this one is happening your way, you will also die well. Believe me.

• 1:21:28Speaker 00

  Living well and dying well, equally important, isn’t it? Especially the last act of your life must be graceful and beautiful. Huh? No? No. Today, people are dying in torturous ways in hospitals. Last 23 days of an American citizen’s life consumes 80% of the medical care in the country, which is $2.8 trillion for the last 23 days. In a more torturous condition, the more they torture you, the more it costs. Torture is expensive. Hello?

• 1:22:13Speaker 00

  Why can’t you die 23 days early? What’s your problem?

• 1:22:22Speaker 00

  Hello? Is it okay if you die 23 days early and no torture, no money involved? Last 23 days cost 80% of the medical care in the country. And the richest nation on the planet... Affluence means this. Initially, it’s a choice of food. Choice of nourishment. Next is choice of lifestyle. When choice of nourishment and choice of lifestyle is in your hands, health should not be so much of a problem. But United States of America

• 1:23:04Speaker 00

  spends nearly $4 trillion on its health care. $4 trillion is India’s economy for 1.4 billion people.

• 1:23:19Speaker 00

  This says everything about how we are living, isn't it? Hello? This says a lot about how we are living. Our lifestyle, our mental condition, and the kind of stuff they're stuffing into you as food. Everything. It's a crime. Spending $4 trillion on healthcare for 330 million people on this planet is a crime. Yes or no? Yeah. It's a serious crime.

• 1:23:51André Duqum?

  There is so many areas I would still love to explore, and I'm also mindful of time, and I want to leave some space for audience Q and A, if that's okay with you.

• 1:24:02Speaker 00

  Please, please, give them some space.

• 1:24:04André Duqum?

  I want to give you guys some space. So we'll get a second mic ready. And if you have a question that's brewing up throughout this conversation, and you feel called to share it with empathy of the space in a concise format, we are excited to hear it. Kaizen?

• 1:24:25Speaker 03

  Thank you. So I get how, from a Zoomed-up perspective, we're just like a speck of a speck, right? But from a Zoomed-in perspective, especially since so many of us were very engaged in the world, and media, and social media, and politics, it can feel so important in the moment to engage with that world, but also so confusing with everything going on. So I'm wondering what guidance you have for someone who wants to impact the outside world, wants to do it from a clear place and not get confused. How do you do that?

• 1:25:03Speaker 00

  See, when it comes to quality of your life, there are only two things. One is profoundness of your experience. If you sit here... Not because of what you're doing, just if you sit here, how significant is this life? How significant it is depends on how profound is your experience at a given moment. So when it comes to inner experience, profoundness of experience is the most important thing. When it comes to activity in the world, impactfulness of our activity is the most important thing. We don't want to do something that doesn't impact anybody.

• 1:25:49Speaker 00

  You don't want to do politics that nobody is interested in. You don't want to write music that nobody wants to listen to. You don't want to cook food that nobody wants to eat. You don't want to write a book that nobody wants to read. You want to do something that is impactful, isn't it? So profoundness of experience, if you do not establish, impactfulness will become accidental. And you'll always be worrying, is it happening, is it not happening? No, if this experience is very profound, what you do will be of a certain quality, it'll impact. But how much impact is not always in our hands. It is the times we are born in.

• 1:26:32Speaker 00

  See, right now, for example, many great beings have come. When they spoke, hardly ten people could hear him, hear them. Gautama Buddha, gentle being, if he spoke, hardly ten people can hear. Krishna, most exotic being, he could speak only to one person. And that guy is full of confusion. Well, you Jesus came, only twelve idiots, and one of them freaked on him.

• 1:27:07Speaker 00

  I'm saying this has been the unfortunate history, isn't it? So today, because of technology, because of various other means that we have, today we can sit here and talk to the entire world.

• 1:27:23Speaker 00

  2024, I'm not saying this to brag, but I'm just telling you how fortunate we are. In 2024, our video views, one person's video views are 5.23 billion. B. Was it possible for a Krishna to do it, a Buddha to do it, a Jesus to do it? Does it mean we are better than them? It's a times, isn't it? So our activity is dependent on the times in which we exist. How impactful are we? So we are at a time like never before. You can sit in one place and talk to the entire population on the planet.

• 1:28:08Speaker 00

  5.23 billion is almost the entire adult population on the planet, nearly.

• 1:28:15Speaker 00

  Never before this has happened. Not because we are better than them, simply because we are fortunate. We're in such times where we have such means to deliver, which they did not have. They had to raise their voice and speak. Two rows heard, third row doesn't hear a damn thing. Yes or no? This is the reality. Huh? Every idiot made up their own thing, those sitting at the back.

• 1:28:46Speaker 00

  This is all that happened. And everybody wrote their own versions of what they said. Today, it's being recorded. If you say, "This is what Sadhguru said," they'll play the recording and say, "That's not it, this is what he said." Never before this was possible. So we are at a time where one man can do what 10,000 men could not do. Just 100 years ago, yes or no? So this is a great fortune. But we can also make a great misfortune out of it.

• 1:29:21Speaker 00

  If we handle it sensibly, consciously, we can make this the greatest possibility. If at all, if there was a time to transform human beings, it's now. Because never before you could even address them. Isn't it? Never before in the history of humanity, you could even address them. Where the hell they are, you don't know. Isn't it? Today, you can address them. If at all, if there was a time, or there is a time to transform humanity, this is the time. In this generation, if we don't do it, it simply means we don't have enough love in our hearts, that's all.

• 1:30:07Speaker 04

  Hello. Hi, I'm Naz. You are so funny.

• 1:30:12Speaker 00

  I haven't been very funny today.

• 1:30:14Speaker 04

  You've been so funny. I laugh so unexcited. I've had so much fun back here. And I was hoping that you could speak to your relationship with humor, and how important it is to you, and what have you witnessed, people's relationship to seriousness and humor, and how integral it is to your life? And have you always had like a good sense of humor?

• 1:30:35Speaker 00

  See, suppose I said, "My grandmother is serious." What would you think? She's on the way out. Yes or no? Hello? If I say, "My grandmother is very serious," what would you think? You think, "Oh, she's on the way out, something wrong with her." If you're serious, what should I think? Same problem, you're on the way out of life. Hello? You're... The first question he asked, "You're serious because you have no perspective

• 1:31:17Speaker 00

  as to what a tiny speck you are." It's the magnanimity of creation. For this tiny speck...

• 1:31:30Speaker 00

  We have an individual experience. Hello? See, we think an amoeba is microscopic. What nonsense is that? Is it really life and this and that? But you're worse than an amoeba in the cosmic scale, isn't it? Huh? You're even more microscopic than an amoeba in your scale. What an amoeba is in the cosmic scale, you're worse than that or much, much, much smaller than that. So for this tiny creature in this universe, there's an individual experience. What a blessing. Hmm? But don't take it very seriously. Because it's just playing like that. It'll go poop.

• 1:32:15Speaker 00

  You're like a pop-up on the planet. You pop up and you'll pop out. You know, on your computer screen or your phone screen these days, pop-ups come and pop out. This is just a pop-up. Don't take it too seriously. Before you and me, countless number of people have walked this damn planet. Where are they? All topsoil, huh? This happened, let me tell you. This is a serious thing, okay? Tare. There was a man called Shankaran Pillai. You heard of him? You're not. You missed a lot. Shankaran Pillai and his wife were driving.

• 1:33:00Speaker 00

  They were married for over 25 years. Crashed the car and they died. He died. So he went to heaven. The wife was injured after two weeks. She died. And she came and she also went to heaven. She came there and she screamed at him, "Shanku!" He said, "What? The vow was only till death do us apart. What the hell are you doing here with me?"

• 1:33:32Speaker 00

  Hello? The Vava is only till death do us a part, isn't it? But after death also they follow you. Because you're that bloody serious about everything. No, you and me can get blown away. This moment, if both of us vanish from this planet, nothing will happen, everything will go fine. Actually, it may go better without us. Hello? Yes or no? No, no, no, without me what will happen? Nothing, things will go on. Something they will do. People, before you came, people were living, right? Hello?

• 1:34:15Speaker 00

  Before you were born, people were living? If you die also, people will live. If you simply vanish, people will still live. A plane load of people just vanished some time ago, you know? Nobody knows where they went. Some people cried, but they're living, isn't it? All of us forgotten, we're living initially. All of us were excited, what happened? What could have happened to these 200-plus people? How many times have you thought of them in the last 10 days? No. That's how it is. Even for you and me, it's the same thing. They'll cry for three days and they'll be okay. So, don't take yourself so seriously.

• 1:35:00Speaker 00

  This is, this will only happen to you if you have absolute passion for every life around you, but total dispassion towards yourself. Then you will live a balanced life. But right now, people have total passion towards themselves, dispassion towards others. This is dangerous. That's a crooked world.

• 1:35:26Speaker 00

  It's all about me. I don't care what happens to that one. This is different. Absolute passion towards every life. Dispassion towards this one. Then you'll live with ease, without any trouble. Whatever happens, if you live, you'll live well. If you die, you'll die well. Important. Because there's only two things you can do. Yes, to live and to die. What else can you do? You think you're doing many things. No, you're only doing this. You're living, and you'll be dying, one day. Doing both of them gracefully and wonderfully is important.

• 1:36:11Speaker 05

  Hi, thank you. I would love for you to speak to the inquiry of who dies?

• 1:36:17Speaker 00

  Who dies?

• 1:36:18Speaker 05

  When I look. If I knew I were dead, then I wouldn't be dead. And so I get curious about that.

• 1:36:26Speaker 00

  No, we will know that you're dead.

• 1:36:28Speaker 05

  How?

• 1:36:28Speaker 00

  We don't know whether you will be dead or not. You will know or not. Let's not choose you. You're a young woman. Why choose you as an example? Can I? I'm a young man. Okay, I die, all right? Okay, come on. If I die, you know I'm dead. But you don't know whether I know I'm dead or not.

• 1:36:52Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:36:53Speaker 00

  You don't know. So I'm saying, the most important discipline that you have to bring into your life is, do not imagine things and assert things that you don't know. In simple language, that is called a bloody lie. Your religions, your scriptures, your philosophies, your nonsense is all rooted in this bloody lie, talking about things which are not in your experience. Can you be a sincere enough human being? What I know, I know. What I do not know, I do not know. Once you see "I do not know," it's the nature of human intelligence that you will want to know.

• 1:37:36Speaker 00

  The seeking to know, longing to know, will arise within you. If this happens, wherever your life's experience is right now, if you take one more step, that's a fantastic thing. But you took ten steps in your mind, hallucination. You see right now, why California has become the way it's become is. In Tennessee, people are still going to heaven. In California, heaven has collapsed in people's minds, so they are drugging. If they were going to heaven, they would have not been doing this.

• 1:38:17Speaker 00

  But Tennessee people are going to heaven still, at least a part of them. What I'm saying is, heavens are collapsing in people's minds. For a long time, we ran the world like this. If you are good, good means what? You must listen to me. Then you will go to heaven, otherwise you will go to hell. What happens there? We'll barbecue you endlessly. Hello? Not like we'll fry you and eat you, not like that. We'll barbecue you continuously, forever, eternal. Not for five years, ten years, hundred years.

• 1:38:59Speaker 00

  For the worst crime in this world, they get a lifetime. But we'll barbecue you forever and ever, whatever that is. So, you must listen to me. That's the condition for you to go to heaven. So, heavens are collapsing. As heavens collapse, if you don't teach people how to be blissed out by their own nature, entire world will go into chemicals. I am not talking about chemicals, this is a moral issue. It's not a moral issue for me. It is just that, if ninety percent of humanity goes towards chemicals,

• 1:39:44Speaker 00

  to be peaceful, you need chemicals. To be joyful, you need chemicals. To be ecstatic, you need chemicals. To be healthful, you need chemicals. To grow food, you need chemicals. To drink water, your bloody water is full of chemicals. Hello? Poison.

• 1:40:03Speaker 00

  When ninety percent of the population goes on this, the next generation that we produce will be less than us. Genetically, less than us. That is a crime against humanity, that should not happen. Next generation should be better than us. In some way, at least one step better than us, isn't it? But we will be producing a generation which is worse than us if entire population goes on chemicals. We are heading that way very rapidly. Consumption of alcohol in the world in the last twenty-five years has gone up ten thousand percentage points. Ten thousand percent.

• 1:40:48Speaker 00

  Just yesterday, they asked me to speak for the Yoga Day which is coming on this June twenty-first. In Tamil Nadu, which is a southern state where we are, nine percent of the school-going children below sixteen years of age are addicted to either alcohol or some substance. Nine percent. In India, not California. So, in another fifty years, what do you think will be the percentage? Ninety percent, probably. Hello? We're going there. So, when this happens, you will produce generations which are less than us. That is a crime against humanity, that should not happen.

• 1:41:32Speaker 00

  If that should not happen, it's important you know how to run this chemistry in such a way, it is absolutely fantastic to sit here. You don't have to do anything from outside. So, trying to imagine things is not going to help. Don't imagine things, because then you can't control it. Do you have a break on your imagination?

• 1:41:59Speaker 00

  There's no brakes on it. Once you leave it, it'll go all the way. It's like this. Can I tell you a story? Please. This happened in Alabama. Okay, it's a very special state. Sunday school. The teacher, Sunday school teacher is going full fire. But the audience is not like you. They're all tiny tots. Catch them, young policy. And in the middle of this fire, fiery talk, just for effect, the teacher stops and asks, "What do you have to do to go to heaven?"

• 1:42:41Speaker 00

  Little Mary, who's always sitting in the front row, stands up and says, "If I mop the church floor every Sunday morning, I will go to heaven." "Absolutely." Another little girl says, "If I share 50% of my pocket money with my less privileged friend, I will go to heaven." "Correct." Another little boy says, "If I help people who need help, I will go to heaven." "Correct." Little Tommy in the back bench stands up and says, "You got to die first." Well, that's a qualification, isn't it? But what is in heaven? Why everybody wants to go there?

• 1:43:24Speaker 00

  In the Hindu heaven, food is very good. If you are a footy, you must go to Hindu heaven. Christian heaven is just rye bread and water. That's not for you. But if you like the ambiance of white gowns, legless ladies floating around in the clouds, you go there. If you go to another place, you will have virgin problems. Like this, in different heavens, there are different things. But the important thing is, when you die, we here will either burn your body, bury your body, or cut it into pieces and throw it to the birds,

• 1:44:08Speaker 00

  depending on what culture you belong to. You know, all these practices are there. So you left the body in this planet. It's a very... If you've not done anything worthwhile, this is one good ecological thing you can do is you put this body back into the earth. Please do that. Don't take it and go.

• 1:44:28Speaker 00

  Hello? You must do that. When this is done, you must put it back into the earth. At least that one good act you must do. So you left the body in this earth and went to heaven. You have no body. What do you do with good food, virgins and all this stuff? Hello? These are all problems you have when you have a body, isn't it? You left the body here. What do you do with good food? What do you do with rivers of wine? What do you do with virgin woman?

• 1:45:01Speaker 00

  What do you do? You ask three questions, all heavens will collapse. And that time is coming. Next generation is not going to simply accept something because it comes from an authority. They're going to ask questions. When they ask questions, heavens will collapse. When heavens collapse, if you do not create a rise in human consciousness, everybody will be drugged out, believe me.

• 1:45:34Speaker 00

  This is the choice you have. This is why raising human consciousness is the most important thing to do in this generation because this generation has reached a peak of well-being in terms of survival. Human survival was never better organized than the way it is right now. Hello? Yes or no? See, do not underestimate these things. You go home, turn your tap, water comes. Oh, what's the big deal about that? Just hundred years ago, if you wanted a bucket of water, you had to walk two miles to the stream and fetch that and come all the way back.

• 1:46:16Speaker 00

  Today, neither women nor even young men are not fit to carry two buckets of water two miles. Yes or no? Hello? Just imagine, just the water coming. What a fortune. It never happened for any generation before, yes or no? You shit in the morning, just press it, it's gone. Just imagine that one arrangement was not there for you. In the morning, you have to go around looking for a private space. Do you know how much trouble? Is it a small thing? See, we have taken all these things for granted. These things have made us put survival aside and focus on something else, isn't it?

• 1:47:01Speaker 00

  Otherwise, just getting a bucket of water, finding the food, do, find a place to shit. Everything was so complicated, isn't it? Yes or no?

• 1:47:12Speaker 00

  Everything arranged like never before in the history of humanity. Do not waste this privileges. This is a time that human beings should rise. Because all these fundamentals are settled.

• 1:47:31Speaker 06

  Good time for one more.

• 1:47:35Speaker 06

  What's the best funeral you've ever been to?

• 1:47:39Speaker 00

  Best funeral, my own?

• 1:47:42Speaker 06

  Do you have it planned?

• 1:47:43Speaker 00

  Not yet, I have not decided the date. You want me to go?

• 1:47:48Speaker 06

  I'm curious if you want it to be fun.

• 1:47:51Speaker 00

  I'll make it fun, don't worry.

• 1:47:54Speaker 00

  We'll plan something nice.

• 1:47:57Speaker 06

  Have you been to a good one? A funeral that represents how much you care about death?

• 1:48:04Speaker 00

  I don't go to funerals. But I tend to the last moments. I see them through, many, many of them, hundreds of them.

• 1:48:15Speaker 00

  I don't go to their funeral because the business is done.

• 1:48:21Speaker 00

  Funeral is to get rid of the body and then everybody wants to eat and drink. I'm not interested in that.

• 1:48:32Speaker 00

  My interest is they pass well. That I finish and after that, I have no interest in them.

• 1:48:42Speaker 06

  In the final moments that you've tended to people, what's the best evidence that they are dying well?

• 1:48:50Speaker 00

  Oh. See, in the Western context of what is a good death, good death is largely a medical and a social phenomena in the West, that if somebody dies without any pain, medically, they say it's good. Socially, if their entire family is around them, friends are around them, everybody holds their hands and everybody says, "I love you, I love you", then they think that is a good death. In India, when we want to die, we go alone. We want to be alone. We want to be in a space which is powerfully consecrated.

• 1:49:35Speaker 00

  This is why creating consecrated spaces is very important, because even if your awareness, if your consciousness is not very up, at the moment of exit comes, if it's a very energetically alive kind of place, then you will see these people live much better. So we create that space for them, wherever they are. That's one thing. What this means is, see, we must understand. What is this flower? It's a certain amount of life energy. Finding expression like this. What is the other flower?

• 1:50:17Speaker 00

  That is also certain amount of life energy finding a different expression. So what is this? This is also certain amount of life energy finding a different expression. That is also the same thing. Fundamentally, even if you don't want to look at it that far, at least in terms of soil, you understand that and this are made of the same material. Hmm? Yes? So even if physical form is made of the same material, the source of it, which runs this whole thing, is essentially the same material. Finding difference expression, you can't believe this and that is same, so different.

• 1:51:01Speaker 00

  Absolutely unique, each one of them in their own way. That is because of the type of memories and experiences we carry. They seem to be so different. If we completely erase your memory, and also erase the memory of that person sitting next to you, no difference, isn't it? Hello? Just two dummies. It's like... I'm sorry. You go to buy a... You go to buy a computer or a phone, let's say. Computer, let us say, in a computer shop. It's not yet programmed. No software. This model, this model. Same nonsense. Empty screen. Yes or no?

• 1:51:45Speaker 00

  Only when you program it, this will do design, that will do something else, that will do something else. Same with this. If you take away all the program, same. So, it is the same thing. Just acting in so many different ways. That's why I said, "Don't take yourself so seriously." Because then you start believing all the funny things that you're doing are for real. It's not for real. And as you stand here, when you're young, you think, you look at your parents, you think, "I don't want to be like my father. I don't want to be like my mother. I'm going to be something else." But you turn forty-five, fifty,

• 1:52:29Speaker 00

  unknowingly you start speaking like your mother, walking like your father, doing things like that. Have you noticed this happening to people? Hmm? Because last seven generations of people... This is why we have so many systems in the Hindu way of life, where we are looking at how to liberate a person from these past influences. Because dead are not simple people. They bloody live through you.

• 1:52:59Speaker 00

  Five generations ago, your great-great-great-grandfather, what he looked like, you have no clue, isn't it? But his nose is sitting on your face. He's having a laugh at you. Hello? Yes or no? Million years ago, how your forefathers were, even today, your skin is speaking the same language, isn't it? Yes? So, this is why, you know, have you heard? Somebody said, "Two thousand years ago, leave the dead to the dead." Who said? Hmm? Don't know. This is sad. Leave the dead to the dead.

• 1:53:42Speaker 00

  Because it's not easy to leave the dead to the dead. The dead will bloody live through you in a thousand different ways. Takes a lot of work to put them down and sit here as just life, fresh, alive. Otherwise, they're all playing through you. So, there are various systems through which you can distance yourself. So, even today, people perform rituals for seven generations of people. How to distance yourself from them? They don't want themselves to be a repeat life. Want to be a fresh life. You may think you are fresh, but all these guys are living through you.

• 1:54:27Speaker 00

  They won't let you live by yourself. It's working through you in thousand different ways. Your genetic memory, your evolutionary memory, everything working or no, right now? It's working. The very way you think, feel, and experience life is determined by them. So, the process that we refer to as enlightenment is just this, that you liberate yourself from the inner forces. External forces, we can deal with it. To the extent we can, because they are only important for the impactfulness. They are not important for the experience of life. If you want to be impactful, we have to be handling outside situations.

• 1:55:12Speaker 00

  But for inner experience, this interference which is happening internally from the dead, to liberate yourself from that is important. If you do not evolve beyond that, they will play their own thing. Pleasant or unpleasant, doesn't matter. But it's not your life, somebody else is living through you. You're just an extension, thinking you're different outside. Today, there's enough science to show you this, that how the genetic system is playing with you. But you can become free from that. The spiritual processes are all about this.

• 1:55:55Speaker 00

  How to become an individual life which will flower by itself, not as an extension of many lives behind us. That is okay for a cockroach, that is okay for a bee, that is okay for an animal, not okay for a human being, because our intelligence has risen to a place where we can shake it off. They can't shake it off, they're just extension. Because their lives are made like this, see if you take any other animal, percentages I'm just throwing, ninety percent of their life is predetermined by their evolutionary process and natural things, instincts.

• 1:56:36Speaker 00

  But when it comes to your human being, only ten percent is predetermined. Ninety percent is learned behavior. But this learning, if you don't make it a very intense and conscious process, other people's learning which are there within you will find expression. You will start responding to life, how a cave man would have responded, because that guy is still there. Has it happened to you or not sometimes? You can't believe how you respond to your own situations. You can't believe this is you, because that guy will stand up from inside.

• 1:57:17Speaker 00

  So to put all those guys down, everybody, your great-grandfather, your grandfather, your father, they've lived their life, their business is over. They should not live through me, hello? Important or no? That is, if you want this life to have its own destiny, if you want this life to blossom to its fullness, otherwise, as an extension of something, it will go on, as every other life is going on. Other creatures are all going on like this, no problem with them. See, a tiger is born. A tiger is not sitting and worrying how to become a good tiger. Will I become a good tiger? Will I end up as a house cat? He has no such issues, all right.

• 1:58:02Speaker 00

  But you are born as a human being. How many damn things you have to do to be a good human being? And still you don't know where you stand. Yes or no? No matter what you have done, you still don't know, isn't it? Because when you're just about thinking you're doing great, somebody will come and that guy will come and say you're no good. Yes or no? Is it happening or no, all the time? It is. Because that's the way human life is. Because ninety percent is learned behavior. It's in your hands. Learned behavior does not mean you all learned it from outside. Part of it you did learn from outside. Rest of it is accumulated learning, which is there.

• 1:58:46Speaker 00

  In your ancestral learning, all that will play. There are lots of experiments today to show how previous learning is playing up. For example, you know, we like to experiment on rats somehow. Somehow we thinks rats, scientists think rats and human beings are very similar, for whatever reason. They're not very wrong. This, I think it's in the Amary University this experiment was conducted. They put some cheese with a cherry blossom flavor. Rat went for it. They had set up an electric shock.

• 1:59:31Speaker 00

  A few times it went for the cherry blossom cheese shock. After that, it doesn't go, it knows cherry blossom smell means shock. Next seven generations of rats won't go near cherry blossom. They all know.

• 1:59:48Speaker 00

  They didn't teach them. There was no school where there is electric current and where there is no electric current. Rat school is not there, okay? It's just like that. Genetically, they know cheril blossom smell means it'll give you a shock. Next seven generations of rats won't go near that smell. That's happening to you also. Understand? There are many, many aspects of you which is not yours. These guys who are dead won't keep quiet. From inside, they will work. That's why leaving dead to the dead is a lot of work.

• 2:00:32André Duqum?

  Sadhguru, I'm so grateful for you in so many ways and also for this community. I feel extremely grateful to look out and see a lot of friends. And beyond that, I see leaders in the world creating through various different mediums. And it's so inspiring to see how this gathering is really just a microcosm of an awakening global community of leaders who are also awakening to these realizations and want to serve to people in a bigger capacity. And the practices that Isha and Sadhguru has led and taught throughout the years that I've partaken in have been really supportive for me and have supported, to whatever degree it has,

• 2:01:16André Duqum?

  the blossoming of my own consciousness. And so immense gratitude for you. And if you have anything else you'd like to share with not just the community here, but also everybody online. I know that Miracle of Mind is a new platform that people can access and just wanted to leave any space for you.

• 2:01:37Speaker 00

  Miracle of Mind is an effort to mitigate mental health issues that people are facing, which is no more individual. It's becoming a pandemic proportions. In 2023, 408,000 people committed suicide in United States, the most affluent nation on the planet, not for economic reasons, just not able to handle their mind.

• 2:02:10Speaker 00

  And it's growing everywhere in the world. Not in any one place, all the urban centers on the planet, including India, it's becoming rampant. In 2022, I think, over 18,600 children below 18 years of age committed suicide in India. Of this, 7,600 were below 15 years of age. 12, 13, 14-year-old means they must be bursting with life, hello? But they want to take their own life.

• 2:02:51Speaker 00

  If our children, who should be exuberance of life, want to take their own life, means we are doing something fundamentally wrong, hello? There are no two ways about it, isn't it? Hello? Children want to commit suicide means what? We're doing something fundamentally wrong with everything that we're doing. So, one important thing is, we think mental health is a God's gift, or it's an accident. No, physical health is not God's gift, that we are understanding now, isn't it? One who eats well, one who exercises well, and one who takes care of himself

• 2:03:33Speaker 00

  will generally, better chance of being healthy than one who does not eat properly, does not do the right kind of things. This much you understand, isn't it? There was some time ago, we thought if somebody had a heart attack, we thought, oh, God's will. But now we know that guy's not living properly, probably. So similarly, mental health, we are not doing anything about it. For example, in 1861 or 1862, the survey, some kind of survey, shows in United States,

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  over 50% of the people over 45 years of age, have barely had any teeth left. Because nobody told them in the Wild West, "You must brush your teeth." Today, even if you are ninety, you’re still having your teeth. Hello? Why? Because your mother told you, “Brush your teeth.” You don’t brush your teeth, no breakfasts. Something. Now, you started doing this. Much better. Similarly, what is needed for mental well-being should not be in the hands of a guru,

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  or an institution, or government, or something. It must be in the hands of the people, like a toothbrush. In every home, it must happen. As children are growing up, in every home, something to take care of your mental well-being must happen. There is no such thing. Particularly in the Western world, there is no such thing. So, a whole lot of people are getting conked off in their head. This is because they are not doing anything worthwhile, like your teeth would fall off if you don’t brush. It took a century to realize that. Hello? The same thing. So, miracle of mind is that possibility.

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  Just seven minutes a day you invest, you will be mentally in a little better condition. It’ll at least prevent... It’s not everything, but it’ll mitigate the possibility of you slipping away into something. Once you have a taste of well-being, I’m sure you’ll go for more... for more of it. Our aim is right now... This is a free app. It’s taken us a lot of time and resource to make this happen, but it is offered free. It costs more as people subscribe to it. But our intention is, in twenty-four months’ time, we want at least three billion people to be doing seven minutes a day as a part of their life, and they must pass it on to

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  the next generation. Seven minutes a day. Something about your mental well-being, you must invest. Otherwise, your teeth fall off like that, this will fall off. Let’s make it happen. Thank you.