Pod Insights Joe Marler Will See You Now Sue Perkins: Psychedelics and Punching Joe for Therapy About this episode Sue Perkins arrives at Dr Joe’s office carrying the weight of a relentlessly busy life - filming, touring, creating - and leaves having quite literally taken it out on him.
As she attempts to unwind, Sue recounts a life lived at full tilt: hallucinogenic trips in South America, being shot at point-blank range, and a brain that never seems to switch off. It’s a whirlwind of stories that makes slowing down feel like an alien concept.
Somewhere along the way, Joe realises he’s learning more than he ever has from a guest - even if that education includes alarming facts about ducks and owls and an improv lesson he won't be forgetting for a while.
Naturally, the session builds to one of Joe’s boldest exercises yet. Boxing gloves on and with stress triggers stuck to his body, Sue is invited to punch away everything weighing her down, using Joe as a fully willing human punching bag.
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1:30 Speaker 02 Rogue is what happens before you tip into criminality?
1:32 Speaker 03 I can think of three very high-profile comedians immediately.
1:36 Speaker 02 With more to come. Always more to come.
1:40 Speaker 04 Knowing me?
1:42 Speaker 03 Knowing Sue.
1:46 Speaker 04 Cool.
1:47 Speaker 02 This isn't coffee.
1:50 Speaker 03 If you were to improvise a scene now, could you walk him through how that would work?
1:54 Speaker 02 I don't mean to blame you, Brian, you're amazing with the kids. Do you think it's our fault? The kids don't want to come with the tramp on the Pouty Castle? Because we're the only ones on it.
2:03 Speaker 04 For the final exercise, I would like to give you the gift of my body. Finally.
2:16 Speaker 04 Hello, welcome to my office. This is Joe Marler Will See You Now with me, Dr Joe Marler. This is the show where I open the minds of celebrities like a soft boiled egg and have a taste of their yoki thoughts. With me as always is my trusty research assistant Jake. Say hello Jake.
2:36 Speaker 03 Hello Joe, um, I know something about you, sorry.
2:40 Speaker 04 You know something about me?
2:41 Speaker 03 Yeah, sorry. I have something to tell you and I'm scared to tell you because I feel like I've invaded your privacy quite early on, but I thought I wanted to get it out of the way because I need to ask about it because it's mental.
2:53 Speaker 04 What?
2:54 Speaker 03 So, you know when you came in earlier?
2:57 Speaker 04 Yeah.
2:58 Speaker 03 And you put your headphones down, your headphones were making a lot of noise and I was like, oh, I better move them just so that they don't get caught on the mic and...
3:07 Speaker 04 Where's this going?
3:08 Speaker 03 And I, I, well, I just was like, what is this? They're very loud, so I just sort of raised them to my ear and got transformed as if I was like, I guess in Beauty and the Beast?
3:18 Speaker 04 Yeah.
3:19 Speaker 03 Why is it Beauty and the Beast? Is that ever since we had The Beast on? And then you sort of like, you listen to that walking around, thinking of yourself as Beauty and him as Beast? Just thinking, oh, what a time we had. What a time we had.
3:33 Speaker 04 That's it. That's next year's pantomime.
3:35 Speaker 03 Beauty and the Beast?
3:36 Speaker 04 Beauty and the Beast, starring.
3:38 Speaker 03 You're Beauty and we get the Beast. So you listen to classical music when you come in?
3:41 Speaker 04 Well, I'm trying, I'm trying to.
3:42 Speaker 03 Does it help you unwind?
3:43 Speaker 04 It can get quite stressful, you know, trying to decompress all the patience that we have in here.
3:49 Speaker 03 What else do you do to relax?
3:50 Speaker 04 I've started colouring.
3:52 Speaker 03 Mmm, very nice.
3:56 Speaker 04 Well played. Really, really great from you.
3:58 Speaker 03 Yeah.
3:59 Speaker 04 That's really kind. The amount of effort that you put into maintaining a neutral face after I told you I've just got into colouring.
4:08 Speaker 03 My, my left knee is going great guns. That's where it's all, it's all just going...
4:12 Speaker 04 But it's kind.
4:13 Speaker 03 It's that ADHD knee on the left, it's just going...
4:16 Speaker 04 I recognise the kindness.
4:17 Speaker 03 Great.
4:18 Speaker 04 But I find it really calming.
4:20 Speaker 03 Can you stay, have you managed to be able to stay within the lines yet?
4:23 Speaker 04 Definitely. I appreciate now that the kindness has shifted somewhat.
4:27 Speaker 03 Mmm.
4:28 Speaker 04 It's gone now into you're taking the piss out of me territory and I'm down with that as well, so please keep it coming.
4:34 Speaker 03 Sure.
4:37 Speaker 03 Very excited to introduce our guest today.
4:40 Speaker 04 Yeah.
4:41 Speaker 03 She is a superb looking.
4:45 Speaker 04 Right.
4:46 Speaker 03 Just wondering if anyone's got it from that. If you have, very well done. You're in Mensa now. You're in Mensa.
4:51 Speaker 04 I'm interested to see what the next clue is.
4:55 Speaker 03 It's Sue Perkins, I didn't have another clue. I didn't have another clue. It was basically, get that one clue, you're in Mensa. If you don't, don't worry, we'll crack on with it.
5:02 Speaker 04 Wow.
5:04 Speaker 03 Comedy stalwart, okay? TV host, adventurer, nerd.
5:08 Speaker 04 Nerd?
5:09 Speaker 03 Oh yeah, big nerd. Her words, these are not my words, these are her words. She says she likes chess, Lego, gaming, comics, bird watching. What array of things?
5:20 Speaker 04 Or nerdy traits. She is a mega household name.
5:23 Speaker 03 Yes.
5:24 Speaker 04 What are we gonna try and help her with?
5:26 Speaker 03 Well, she has all these hobbies, but I think that's just sort of indicative of just the way that she is in all aspects of her life. With her hobbies, she's got about a million things going on. With work, she's got a million things going on. I think in her mind, she's probably got a million things going on.
5:38 Speaker 04 Yeah.
5:38 Speaker 03 I'm wondering if she has the ability to switch off, to unwind, to relax.
5:44 Speaker 04 To just sit.
5:45 Speaker 03 Yeah, how does she find, how does she switch from the chaos to finding inner peace? I'd be fascinated to know that. Yeah.
5:53 Speaker 04 Hi Janet. Yes, well, thank you. Yes. No, no, I did, yeah. Cool. Could you send Sue Perkins in, please? Thank you.
6:04 Speaker 04 Sue Perkins, everybody!
6:06 Speaker 03 Yes! Come on!
6:08 Speaker 04 Hello!
6:08 Speaker 03 Absolutely.
6:11 Speaker 04 Welcome.
6:12 Speaker 02 Why, thank you.
6:13 Speaker 04 How was Janet?
6:14 Speaker 02 Do you know what? Janet's got the most extensive range of milks of anyone I've ever met. She offered me so many different milks, I became bamboozled by it.
6:21 Speaker 04 Were they all milks that are able to be purchased? Or did she offer you any other type of milk?
6:27 Speaker 02 There was some off-book milk. I wasn't too sure about.
6:30 Speaker 04 She's done this before, hasn't she?
6:31 Speaker 03 She's done it again, hasn't she? Okay, I'll have a word.
6:33 Speaker 02 But they, you can't milk some of those animals.
6:36 Speaker 03 Well, this is what worries me. This is what worries me.
6:38 Speaker 02 She's got form, has she?
6:40 Speaker 03 Yes.
6:40 Speaker 04 Who knew you could milk a puppy?
6:43 Speaker 02 For me, they were a little too young to go through what they went through. That's all I'll say.
6:47 Speaker 04 Right. Well, I'll have a word with Janet about that.
6:50 Speaker 02 That's not a problem.
6:51 Speaker 04 But what milk did you go for?
6:52 Speaker 02 Just cow's milk, because I was intimidated by her.
6:54 Speaker 04 Okay, fine.
6:55 Speaker 02 And I'm actually dairy intolerant, so this will be an interesting hour.
7:00 Speaker 04 Right, well, welcome to our office.
7:02 Speaker 02 It's lovely to be here. It's marvellous.
7:05 Speaker 04 Thank you.
7:06 Speaker 02 It's really, yeah.
7:07 Speaker 04 We're not here, we're not here for the...
7:09 Speaker 02 For the props.
7:09 Speaker 04 For the props. We're here for the nitty gritty.
7:12 Speaker 02 Hmm.
7:12 Speaker 04 Let's get into it.
7:13 Speaker 02 Let's do it.
7:14 Speaker 04 A little birdie, also known as Jake, who you've just, you've just met, tells me that you're a bit of a nerd.
7:21 Speaker 02 I can be.
7:22 Speaker 04 Is that true?
7:23 Speaker 02 I might be shamed into it, Jake.
7:25 Speaker 04 Not shamed, fellow dream. I will state, he didn't say, "Oh, she's a nerd." He went, "She's a bit of a nerd."
7:30 Speaker 02 I'm a bit of a nerd.
7:30 Speaker 04 I didn't threaten to wedgie you. It wasn't like, I wasn't gonna, I wasn't gonna...
7:33 Speaker 02 I wouldn't see that as a threat, Jake. I wouldn't see that. That's my happy space. You, anytime you want, you can make a French plat out of that gutter anytime, my friend. Just, up it goes. There's no problem. Yep. I am a bit of a nerd. Jake is right.
7:50 Speaker 04 Hardcore nerd?
7:52 Speaker 02 What's hardcore?
7:53 Speaker 04 When I think of nerds, I think of, like, computers this close to your face.
7:58 Speaker 02 Yep.
7:59 Speaker 04 Um, Dungeons and Dragons.
8:01 Speaker 02 For sure.
8:02 Speaker 04 You know, stuff like that.
8:03 Speaker 02 For sure.
8:04 Speaker 04 It's all great. I think it's much better these days than it was.
8:07 Speaker 02 What, Dungeons and Dragons?
8:09 Speaker 04 Well, no, just nerdiness.
8:10 Speaker 02 Yeah.
8:10 Speaker 04 I think nerdiness is much more welcome in the world.
8:14 Speaker 02 I think because other, other personality types have also now been seen and we've, we've seen what happens with those. So the nerd, I would say, is one of the least troublesome personality types.
8:24 Speaker 04 Okay.
8:25 Speaker 02 Doesn't want to attack anyone, we're not gonna cause any trouble. I did a bit of D and D when I was younger. I've done a little bit of it as an adult.
8:31 Speaker 04 D and D?
8:31 Speaker 02 D and D, D and D, Dungeons and Dragons.
8:34 Speaker 04 What the fuck is Dungeons and Dragons? I thought you'd go, like, pretend to go into a dungeon and there's dragons there as a punishment and it's just like role-playing in that way, like,
8:45 Speaker 02 That's quite high...
8:46 Speaker 04 Help me! I'm stuck in the dungeon!
8:48 Speaker 02 That's quite high stakes, D and D. I mean, you'd need a dungeon, you'd need costumes and you'd need to find a dragon. No nerd's got the money for that.
8:55 Speaker 04 Ah.
8:55 Speaker 02 It's, you sit at a table, there's some rules, you could be the dungeon master, you decide, and you tell stories. You'd like that. And then you you make a world together. It's basically like just play. It's playing.
9:06 Speaker 04 Well, that's great, um, because.
9:08 Speaker 02 I haven't done it for twenty years.
9:09 Speaker 04 No, no, it's good.
9:12 Speaker 02 He's gone judgy.
9:12 Speaker 03 He's a rugby player.
9:13 Speaker 04 I haven't gone judgy. I haven't gone judgy. I really, I really enjoy it. I'm judging the fact that actually I left Jake to come up with this session's intake questionnaire, which is based around Dungeons and Dragons.
9:25 Speaker 03 Loosely, loosely.
9:26 Speaker 04 Alright. Sue hasn't played for twenty years.
9:29 Speaker 03 As a way to get to know Sue deeper, yeah, yeah, yeah.
9:32 Speaker 04 Right, okay. Let's get into the intake questionnaire then. Full name, please.
9:36 Speaker 02 Susan Elizabeth Perkins.
9:37 Speaker 04 Character class?
9:39 Speaker 02 Rogue.
9:39 Speaker 04 Rogue.
9:41 Speaker 02 Yeah.
9:41 Speaker 04 Rogue, meaning?
9:43 Speaker 02 Just.
9:43 Speaker 04 Like a live wire?
9:45 Speaker 02 Capricious.
9:46 Speaker 04 Capricious?
9:47 Speaker 02 Capricious, doesn't necessarily do what it's supposed to do. Doesn't follow the normal form.
9:53 Speaker 04 Anarchist.
9:54 Speaker 02 You said it. I didn't say that.
9:56 Speaker 04 And that's you.
9:57 Speaker 02 It might be, sometimes.
9:59 Speaker 03 Loveable as well.
10:00 Speaker 02 Cheeky and lovable, hopefully.
10:01 Speaker 03 I don't, there's never been, uh, there's, it's always a lovable rogue. It's never a sort of unlovable rogue.
10:06 Speaker 02 Yes, rogue, rogue is what happens before you tip into criminality. It's that, you know what I mean? On the sliding scale.
10:12 Speaker 03 I can think of three very high-profile comedians immediately. Yeah.
10:16 Speaker 02 Yes, yes. With more to come.
10:20 Speaker 02 Always more to come.
10:22 Speaker 04 How would you rate yourself in the following characteristics?
10:25 Speaker 02 Oh, okay.
10:26 Speaker 04 Now, the rating, yeah, oh.
10:27 Speaker 02 One to twenty?
10:29 Speaker 04 Too much.
10:30 Speaker 02 All right, one to five.
10:31 Speaker 04 One to seven.
10:32 Speaker 02 Perfect.
10:33 Speaker 04 Charisma?
10:35 Speaker 02 How can one judge one's own charisma?
10:37 Speaker 03 That's the most charismatic thing you could have said. That is, that is. That really is, isn't it? That's the way to answer that question. You're a class act.
10:45 Speaker 04 That's a seven.
10:46 Speaker 03 That's a seven.
10:46 Speaker 02 That's a seven all over the week. That's a seven. But it's, it's something that one can't.
10:51 Speaker 03 Oh, my gosh.
10:52 Speaker 02 You can't determine it yourself, otherwise you're, it's a fool's game.
10:55 Speaker 04 Strength?
10:56 Speaker 02 One.
10:57 Speaker 04 I didn't mean physically. Not just physically.
11:01 Speaker 02 Oh.
11:01 Speaker 04 Okay, strength physically?
11:03 Speaker 02 One.
11:03 Speaker 04 Sure.
11:03 Speaker 02 Weak?
11:04 Speaker 04 Strength emotionally and mentally?
11:06 Speaker 02 Six.
11:07 Speaker 03 Oh, high.
11:08 Speaker 04 Really that high?
11:09 Speaker 02 I think quite high, but I've had to have that as a compensatory mechanism for my physical weakness. I mean, imagine if I was mentally and physically weak. It would be a terrible. Jake's just looking at me. It's not a fun place to be. No, it's not. It's a terrible, maybe a five. I've overdone it. Five, I think. I think five.
11:28 Speaker 04 Dexterity.
11:29 Speaker 02 Oh, I mean a two.
11:31 Speaker 04 Not flexible.
11:32 Speaker 02 Not flexible at all.
11:33 Speaker 04 Constitution, not in, not as in America, just.
11:37 Speaker 02 Or what am I made of?
11:38 Speaker 04 Yeah.
11:38 Speaker 02 Water.
11:40 Speaker 04 Good luck.
11:40 Speaker 02 Um, I would say, about a four. I'm not, I'm quite reasonably robust.
11:46 Speaker 04 I can answer this one for intelligence.
11:49 Speaker 02 It's a one, isn't it? Yeah, I would, no, it's a, no, don't be fooled by the glasses, but that's nice of you. I'll take it.
11:55 Speaker 04 It has to be a seven.
11:56 Speaker 02 Okay.
11:56 Speaker 04 This early experience, you know, we've already met before, but not in a working environment.
12:00 Speaker 02 No.
12:00 Speaker 04 We met in a casual fun environment.
12:02 Speaker 02 Exactly.
12:02 Speaker 04 Blankety blank.
12:03 Speaker 02 It's a casual fun environment.
12:05 Speaker 04 Wisdom. You strike me as someone quite wise.
12:07 Speaker 02 I hope so. Maybe a five.
12:08 Speaker 04 Yeah, you, cause you, cause you've been around.
12:11 Speaker 02 That's the nicest way of saying that I'm old.
12:16 Speaker 04 You are experienced.
12:19 Speaker 02 I've seen things. Yes, sometimes.
12:21 Speaker 04 And you're wise. You're like an owl.
12:23 Speaker 02 I'm like an owl, but I don't, I don't shit pellets on the wing. Anymore. Not since the court case.
12:32 Speaker 04 Shit pellets on a wing?
12:33 Speaker 02 On the wing, so they're in flight. And I think owls shit pellets through their mouth, but I let Jake look better. Really? Okay. I think so.
12:40 Speaker 04 They shit out their mouths?
12:41 Speaker 02 I think they do. But either way, it's pellets and it's mid-flight. They won't stop and shit. It's always on the go. By the way, in other cultures, they don't think the owl is smart. Western cultures, we see it as a symbol of wisdom.
12:53 Speaker 04 Why? Why do we think an owl is, is wise?
12:56 Speaker 02 Cause it can, it can, it can judge you at 270 degree angle. Not with your rugby career. Don't try it, Joe. You're gonna be able to. No, no.
13:03 Speaker 04 It's not that.
13:04 Speaker 02 You've scrummed too much, mate, to do the owl.
13:06 Speaker 04 It's not that wise, is it, to turn your head? I mean, I can't do it, but.
13:09 Speaker 02 No, I don't think it's wisdom. I just think it's. That's a good.
13:15 Speaker 03 That was sort of, sort of I beat the dance floor for a sec. Ooh, ooh, that was a little bit of that, wasn't it?
13:20 Speaker 02 Just sort of an early Paul Oakenfold.
13:22 Speaker 04 Maybe we should, maybe we should really dispel this aura that owls have got. We start a campaign of like, fuck the owls.
13:30 Speaker 02 They're just the same, they're as thick as any other bird.
13:33 Speaker 04 Right.
13:33 Speaker 02 Which might be clever, might not be, but they're not, they don't, for me, they don't, they're quite lazy. They don't hunt in bad weather conditions. There's a lot, I've got a lot to say about owls.
13:44 Speaker 04 What skills are you proficient in?
13:46 Speaker 02 Talking.
13:47 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah, talker.
13:48 Speaker 02 Talking, I'm a talker, I'm a neater.
13:51 Speaker 03 You're also very good at talking about a subject for a minute without repeating yourself.
13:54 Speaker 02 Yeah, I can do that.
13:55 Speaker 03 You're so good at that, it's incredible.
13:56 Speaker 02 That's really nice of you to say.
13:57 Speaker 03 That's something I've been a big fan of for a long time.
14:00 Speaker 02 But you know what, Jake, it's not a transferable skill, mate.
14:02 Speaker 03 Do you?
14:02 Speaker 02 I mean, I'd much rather be able to fix things.
14:04 Speaker 03 Do you know about Just a Minute, Joe?
14:07 Speaker 04 Just a Minute.
14:08 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's a very, very, very famous Radio 4 show. It's been going on for, since the dawn of time.
14:14 Speaker 04 Sure.
14:14 Speaker 03 And the game is, you've got to talk about a subject for a minute.
14:18 Speaker 04 Yeah.
14:19 Speaker 03 Without repeating yourself, without hesitating.
14:21 Speaker 02 Yep, or deviating from the subject.
14:23 Speaker 03 Without going off the subject.
14:24 Speaker 02 Yeah.
14:25 Speaker 03 And.
14:25 Speaker 04 Impossible.
14:26 Speaker 03 Uh, this is what, this is sort of my, um, Radio 4 nerdiness. I've been a big fan of it for my whole life and Sue is basically like the, one of the all time greats of the game. The all time greats of the game.
14:36 Speaker 04 The overlord.
14:36 Speaker 03 The overlord of the game.
14:38 Speaker 02 Oh, man, that's, that's, that's high praise.
14:41 Speaker 03 Sorry, this isn't part of the show, uh, but it is now. Just to show you how hard it is, get a minute on the clock, owls, your time starts and you can't remember the three rules? No repeating, no repetition, no hesitation, no deviation. Off you go.
14:53 Speaker 04 Me?
14:53 Speaker 03 Yeah.
14:55 Speaker 03 Three, two, one, owls, go.
14:57 Speaker 04 Owls.
14:59 Speaker 03 Okay, so that's a big pause.
15:04 Speaker 02 But no one would have passed him because they're like, because immediately in that one word owls, we've been taken to the steps, to the, to the Mongolian steps or whatever. Or, I was, my mind was casting images because you just went, owls. I was like, I'm so there. But then nothing else came after that.
15:22 Speaker 04 So now, have I, is it done?
15:24 Speaker 03 No, no, no, you, you, what, I've already failed? Well, yeah, you failed because you paused for ages. If you wanted to do it properly, your time would start now.
15:31 Speaker 04 Owls originate from Mongolia and they sit on steps there. Every other step, they see one and they climb it. And as they're climbing, they use their feet as well as their wings. And they put pellets on the wings of aeroplanes, which is remarkably distracting for the pilots. And talking of pilots, there was this pilot idea.
15:50 Speaker 03 Sorry, I'm gonna have to buzz in. You've repeated pilot steps, wings. That was quite a lot of repetitions, but you did very well.
15:56 Speaker 02 You did really well. Did you expect today's episode to be so owl-focused?
16:01 Speaker 03 No, I don't think anyone did.
16:03 Speaker 02 I don't think any of us did.
16:04 Speaker 04 All right. Well, thank you for that, Sue. Do you consent to being analysed by someone who's not a real doctor?
16:10 Speaker 02 I do. I, I will only be analysed by someone who's not a real doctor.
16:13 Speaker 04 Oh, that didn't take a lot of commitment.
16:15 Speaker 02 No, it's absolutely, you're good.
16:16 Speaker 04 Well, it's great, yeah. Thank you. Thank you for taking part in the intake questionnaire. Let's get into the session then, shall we?
16:23 Speaker 02 Let's smash it.
16:28 Speaker 04 Sue Perkins?
16:29 Speaker 02 Yes.
16:30 Speaker 04 For quite some time, you've been one of the hardest working people in showbiz.
16:35 Speaker 02 Yeah.
16:35 Speaker 04 But are you doing enough to unwind?
16:37 Speaker 02 No.
16:38 Speaker 04 No.
16:39 Speaker 02 No.
16:39 Speaker 04 Why?
16:40 Speaker 02 Because unwinding is boring. Winding is fun.
16:43 Speaker 04 Okay, unwind, but you need some time to relax, don't you? In order to go again. You need to recharge.
16:51 Speaker 02 I should, yes.
16:52 Speaker 04 That battery really.
16:53 Speaker 02 It drains.
16:54 Speaker 04 And then you go, well, what do you do to unwind and recharge?
16:59 Speaker 02 I do craft, like I'll colour things in, which you like. I will make things. Yeah. I will cook a lot, not baking, but I'll cook lots of things.
17:12 Speaker 04 But why do you find it so hard to just, like, sit?
17:15 Speaker 02 Because sitting is boring.
17:16 Speaker 04 Right. Is that why you're, like, always on the go?
17:20 Speaker 02 Always on the go.
17:21 Speaker 04 To quote here, "A full disclosure, unguarded, unboundaried romp through the absolute chaos and madness of your working life."
17:31 Speaker 02 Yes.
17:32 Speaker 04 And that is to quote your.
17:34 Speaker 02 Tour poster.
17:35 Speaker 04 Tour that's coming up.
17:36 Speaker 02 Yeah.
17:37 Speaker 04 "The eternal shame of Sue Perkins."
17:38 Speaker 02 There's a lot of shame.
17:39 Speaker 04 A lot of shame.
17:40 Speaker 02 There's a lot of stuff that I unpack to a mostly horrified crowd.
17:46 Speaker 04 Well, I think based off of your answers from the intake questionnaire and the admission that you've just given there, we need to help you learn some calmness and ways to unwind, to offset this chaos that is Sue Perkins' work in life.
18:01 Speaker 02 I like that idea.
18:02 Speaker 04 Well, that that leads nicely on to our first section of today's session, which is knowing me.
18:10 Speaker 03 Knowing Sue. Ah.
18:14 Speaker 04 Cool.
18:15 Speaker 02 This isn't coffee.
18:18 Speaker 03 He's not a doctor.
18:19 Speaker 02 No.
18:23 Speaker 04 Knowing me, knowing Sue.
18:24 Speaker 02 Aha.
18:25 Speaker 04 You know, how do you manage to separate everyday Sue from stand-up Sue?
18:29 Speaker 02 I don't.
18:31 Speaker 04 So you you're the same person?
18:32 Speaker 02 Always, always the same person. It's exhausting. Who'd want to be somebody else? I mean, probably I speak a bit louder and I'm a bit more energetic on stage, but I'm completely the same person. Are you you? You're you all the time.
18:46 Speaker 04 No.
18:47 Speaker 02 Aren't you?
18:47 Speaker 04 Because I'm too scared to be me all the time. If I'm me all the time, that means you're judging me all the time. That means the people that go, he's a helmet, actually hurt me. Whereas if I give the version of me and then someone goes, he's a helmet, I have the ability to go, oh, that's just a version of me. Or have I made that up in my head and actually I am myself, but I tell myself that I'm not myself?
19:11 Speaker 02 I can see what you mean.
19:11 Speaker 04 And I get bad criticism. Do you know what I mean?
19:13 Speaker 02 I I I sort of feel if if I projected to another sort of person and they said, well, you're a helmet, then I'd be sad because I think, well, why didn't I show you the real me? Because you'd like that better. And also, but it's also I can't be, I don't know what personality I'd put on instead. But you maybe you're just, it's harder for you to show sensitivity because culturally, you know, you've had to be a hard man, whereas it may come as a surprise to you. I've not had to show brute brute strength in a situation.
19:41 Speaker 04 No, and you've alluded to that in the questionnaire where you gave yourself a one.
19:45 Speaker 02 A one.
19:45 Speaker 04 A one.
19:46 Speaker 02 Feeble.
19:46 Speaker 04 And I thought that was quite high, actually.
19:54 Speaker 04 I wanna, I wanna get into it a little bit more.
19:56 Speaker 02 Sure.
19:56 Speaker 04 Really understand how chaotic
19:59 Speaker 02 It is.
19:59 Speaker 04 your career has been.
20:00 Speaker 02 Yes.
20:01 Speaker 04 Okay, so Jake, head of research.
20:03 Speaker 02 And is it true erstwhile lover of Janet?
20:09 Speaker 02 I don't want to... I'm just saying that people...
20:14 Speaker 04 It's a safe space, Jake.
20:15 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's a safe space.
20:16 Speaker 02 Jake, all I'm saying is, the rumor mill has, it's established.
20:21 Speaker 03 What goes on with me and Janet stays with me and Janet, okay?
20:23 Speaker 02 Of course, and I just, listen, we can cut all that out.
20:26 Speaker 03 Yeah.
20:26 Speaker 02 I just wanted to be honest to say I'd heard some stuff.
20:30 Speaker 03 She's a deeply private person.
20:31 Speaker 02 Of course, and I don't want to
20:33 Speaker 03 Deeply private, yeah.
20:36 Speaker 04 Right, anyway, Jake is going to read out some statements.
20:40 Speaker 02 Oh god.
20:41 Speaker 04 If either of us have done the thing he's said,
20:44 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm.
20:44 Speaker 04 I want us to stand up, Sue.
20:47 Speaker 02 Oh!
20:48 Speaker 04 If we haven't, I want us to sit down, Sue.
20:52 Speaker 02 Got you, great.
20:53 Speaker 03 So, first up, I'd just like you to stand up if you've ever tripped on hallucinogenics.
21:00 Speaker 03 Well, this is interesting now.
21:02 Speaker 04 Right, Sue was first.
21:03 Speaker 03 Because Sue, hands up, I did sort of put this one in because I wanted to know a bit about this story. I already knew a bit about it, but I did not know that Joe had. So, Sue, when did you trip on hallucinogenics?
21:13 Speaker 02 I took a payload of mescaline in Bolivia about...
21:17 Speaker 04 What's that?
21:18 Speaker 02 So, mescaline is, it's the cousin of Iowa scur, basically.
21:23 Speaker 03 Sure.
21:24 Speaker 02 And it was the most dreadful, purging, vomity, wee-wee, explosive, everything experience of my life.
21:35 Speaker 03 Hmm.
21:35 Speaker 02 But I did come out of it feeling less anxious and very connected to my fellow human being. I left quite a lot of my DNA uh in the Valley of the Souls, which is where I took it.
21:47 Speaker 04 In the Valley of the Souls?
21:49 Speaker 02 Valley of the Souls, yeah, in La Paz.
21:51 Speaker 04 Why did you take this in the first place?
21:53 Speaker 02 I'd never taken any class A drug in my life because I'm too busy for it.
21:58 Speaker 04 Yeah.
21:58 Speaker 02 Not interested in it and I'd quite like being in control of my own mind. Anyway, I did this thing for Netflix where I did things that were completely illegal in the UK but legal in South America. And the trip was supposed to last for eight hours. It lasted for fourteen hours.
22:13 Speaker 04 Like, what were you see, were you seeing stuff? Were you experiencing stuff?
22:18 Speaker 02 A bit. So mescaline you don't see as much as ayahuasca. Ayahuasca is full visuals. Mescaline, it's more like a discreet knowing. The brief thing that I did see, when I was lying down having a good cry, I was on a big heart, a big warm heart. So I was just a little tiny speck on a big warm heart. And then out of my hands came these little um sort of multi-coloured little ants that connected to the trees and connected to everybody else. So we are all part of the mycelium. That's what I learned. We're all in it together. And for about two months afterwards, every time I went into a forest, I went, hello, to the plants, but didn't realise I'd said it. I was like, all right. Really?
22:55 Speaker 02 All right. It's really weird. And then my partner was like, what are you doing? I was like, I don't know. I'm just saying hello.
23:01 Speaker 04 Sort of turned into an East End market trader. All right, how you doing, Daphne?
23:04 Speaker 02 All right, fun. How's it going, mate? Yeah, it was sort of, in retrospect, beautiful, but at the time, punishing.
23:11 Speaker 04 And never again.
23:13 Speaker 02 No.
23:13 Speaker 04 No.
23:14 Speaker 02 I couldn't do it again. I wasn't strong enough. I mean, it really nearly killed me. Have you done mushrooms? Is that your hallucinatory?
23:18 Speaker 04 Yeah, it was at a party uh recently, actually.
23:22 Speaker 02 Really?
23:23 Speaker 04 Yeah, I'd never, I've never, because of rugby.
23:25 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
23:26 Speaker 04 Uh, I only dabbled in a bit of weed.
23:29 Speaker 02 Yeah, that was all I dabbled in.
23:30 Speaker 04 Twenty thirteen, when I thought my career was over. So I went to Glastonbury and just did a shit ton of weed.
23:35 Speaker 02 Yeah.
23:36 Speaker 04 And it turned out my career wasn't over. So then I spent the next six months paranoid to fuck, not just because of the weed.
23:41 Speaker 02 Yeah.
23:42 Speaker 04 But because of.
23:43 Speaker 02 Be found out, by the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
23:44 Speaker 04 But, you know, I got away with it. Um, and then I retired and a mate of mine was like, oh, going to this party, I've got some mushrooms, is that right? Got some mushrooms. I was like, okay, yeah, cool. I want to try this. Let's have some of that. Uh, and did, and it didn't really, it's that moment where it's like, oh, nothing's really happening.
24:02 Speaker 02 Yeah.
24:02 Speaker 04 Give us some more.
24:03 Speaker 02 That's the point.
24:04 Speaker 04 Let's go again. Nothing's really happening. Give us a bit more. And then all of a sudden, uh, I'm in love with this tree. And it was, I remember so vividly.
24:13 Speaker 02 Beautiful.
24:13 Speaker 04 Going to the toilet first, standing up, looking at the walls, and they were just all moving. And it felt like I was in like a, a Jim Carrey movie. I don't know why it was a Jim Carrey movie, but the walls were just moving.
24:25 Speaker 02 Yeah.
24:26 Speaker 04 It felt like Jim Carrey. And then I left there.
24:29 Speaker 02 Like Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. Have you seen that movie?
24:32 Speaker 04 No.
24:32 Speaker 03 So strange that you thought it was a Jim Carrey movie where the walls are moving, but haven't seen that film.
24:36 Speaker 02 Cause the walls do move, yeah.
24:37 Speaker 03 Yeah, the walls move in that film.
24:39 Speaker 02 It's, they're constantly.
24:40 Speaker 04 You fucking shit in it?
24:41 Speaker 02 No, no, no, no.
24:42 Speaker 03 It's bizarre that you have so specific by saying you're in a Jim Carrey.
24:45 Speaker 02 You've described that film, I swear to you, go and watch it tonight. I swear, you've described that film. You've described that film.
24:51 Speaker 03 You're describing a film you've not seen yet.
24:52 Speaker 02 Not seen it. There's bits where walls just fall away.
24:55 Speaker 04 Fucking hell.
24:57 Speaker 03 Our final sit down, stand up. Stand up. If you have ever been shot at.
25:03 Speaker 04 You've been shot at?
25:05 Speaker 02 I've been shot at point blank range.
25:07 Speaker 03 Oh my god.
25:08 Speaker 02 In a warehouse in Bogota. So basically, after Escobar got kills, Colombia became a much safer place.
25:15 Speaker 04 Hmm.
25:16 Speaker 02 This is a very paraphrased version, but they developed, I think, in conjunction with the police and the anti narcotics kind of units. Lots of Kevlar, lots of wearable bulletproof tech. This guy wanted to test his Kevlar and he shoots people and I was one of the people he shot. So I put on his stuff, signed a waiver.
25:38 Speaker 04 Oh my god.
25:39 Speaker 02 And then he said, um, you need to take a big, deep breath and hold it. I'm gonna count to three and you need to take that breath because you need, it's gonna hurt. Cause even though the bullet's not gonna penetrate, it's gonna feel it. And he said, whatever you do, you do not look at me cause I can't shoot someone who's looking at me in the eyes.
25:56 Speaker 04 Why?
25:56 Speaker 02 He's just not got that. I felt the same.
25:59 Speaker 04 He's a coward.
26:00 Speaker 02 Yeah, he's a coward.
26:00 Speaker 04 He's a coward.
26:01 Speaker 02 He's a coward. He's a merchant.
26:02 Speaker 04 Yeah.
26:02 Speaker 02 He's a merchant, he's a retailer. He's not got the cut and thrust, the killer instinct.
26:06 Speaker 04 Coward.
26:07 Speaker 02 So we practiced this thing when I would hold my breath and he'd count to three and on three he'd fire it. And he said, ready to go. And then he actually loaded it and then everyone just ran away and a couple of people were crying from production. And then he put the bullet in the chamber and he went like that and he went one, breathe in and they shot me on two, the little shit.
26:23 Speaker 04 Oh my god.
26:25 Speaker 02 I was so angry with him, but it was horrible. So the bullet then, like that.
26:29 Speaker 04 And he was this close, he was point blank.
26:30 Speaker 02 Point blank.
26:31 Speaker 03 Not even looking at you.
26:32 Speaker 02 No.
26:32 Speaker 03 I would say, look at, look at me to make sure you're definitely, definitely gonna hit the right.
26:36 Speaker 02 Yes, because he could have lifted his arm, oh yeah, Kevlar, it could have been terrible.
26:38 Speaker 04 Did you hit the deck?
26:40 Speaker 02 No.
26:40 Speaker 04 What?
26:41 Speaker 02 I was still chatting, I'm on camera.
26:42 Speaker 04 You're fucking nailed.
26:43 Speaker 02 I am quite nailed, but also.
26:44 Speaker 04 What do you mean you're on camera?
26:45 Speaker 02 Well, you've got to do chit chats, like, well, I've just been shot, what does it feel like being shot? You know.
26:50 Speaker 04 There was no.
26:50 Speaker 02 And afterwards, I felt really sick, because you're made of water, right? And it's like, you're really aware of basically, you're a water, you're a water bed that's been pummeled. And so your brain's going weird, there's like waves of internal moisture, displaced moisture, it's horrible. I don't think it was it.
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27:32 Speaker 03 I don't think I do, no.
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30:22 Speaker 04 You're really into improv, aren't you?
30:24 Speaker 02 I am.
30:25 Speaker 04 Yeah.
30:25 Speaker 02 The unknown.
30:26 Speaker 04 Why so? Why were you so drawn to improv?
30:29 Speaker 02 Because nothing's the same twice over. So I do a show, and like the tour show's written, but within that, there'll be 15, 20 minutes of just playing, like there'll be an audience interjection. The other day, somebody just shouted out, "I've had a voluntary endoscopy." From a standing start.
30:46 Speaker 02 I just paused for breath in the middle of a completely unrelated story and back came forth.
30:50 Speaker 04 Aren't all endoscopies voluntary?
30:54 Speaker 02 Well, you get called in for them. This is what I found weird. You don't normally turn up at a hospital begging for one. They're unpleasant. Have you had one? It's really unpleasant.
31:00 Speaker 04 No, I've got an awful gag reflex.
31:02 Speaker 02 They push right through that. It's awful. I had to have one once. The worst thing.
31:05 Speaker 04 Like a, like a duck?
31:08 Speaker 03 In what sense? And that's not me being facetious, but what, but, but, but what are you on about?
31:15 Speaker 02 It can be very direct, can't it?
31:17 Speaker 04 You force feed a duck. It's illegal, isn't it?
31:19 Speaker 03 Oh, for foie gras?
31:20 Speaker 02 Foie gras.
31:21 Speaker 04 Yeah, so there you go.
31:22 Speaker 02 It doesn't taste great. It tastes like, they can't eat that shit. Foie gras, awful.
31:26 Speaker 04 Ah, dog shit.
31:27 Speaker 02 Do you know, do you know that ducks have multiple vaginas?
31:30 Speaker 04 Really? What, for what, for what purpose?
31:33 Speaker 02 Decoy vaginas.
31:34 Speaker 04 Decoy vagina?
31:36 Speaker 02 Decoy vaginas.
31:37 Speaker 04 A decoy vagina?
31:38 Speaker 02 Yeah. So, I can tell you this because I have had a virtual reality experience where I went into them.
31:45 Speaker 04 You've been inside a duck's decoy vagina?
31:47 Speaker 02 Again, I need to make it really clear that I haven't been inside a duck's vagina, but I've been a ve- there was a virtual reality experience led by a zoologist. So you can see the different chambers. So, male ducks are sexually aggressive and they would be on it 24/7.
32:06 Speaker 04 Right.
32:07 Speaker 02 It's just exhausting for the female duck. So over time, they've developed fake vagina so they can't continually get pregnant.
32:13 Speaker 04 Oh, wow.
32:14 Speaker 02 So the male duck will be having the time of his life thinking.
32:18 Speaker 02 Not every hole is a goal for a duck.
32:22 Speaker 04 But the issue I have with that, Sue, is.
32:24 Speaker 02 Don't take issue with it, evolution.
32:26 Speaker 04 They're not, they're not challenging.
32:26 Speaker 03 Can't take issue with it.
32:27 Speaker 04 No, if they're gonna go to all that effort to create a decoy vagina.
32:32 Speaker 02 I just wanted you to say decoy vagina and my life is complete.
32:35 Speaker 04 They're still enabling bad behaviour from the male ducks.
32:38 Speaker 02 I agree, but evolution.
32:39 Speaker 04 They should hit it in the core of it and go, oi, stop treating the female ducks like this, you pieces of shit.
32:46 Speaker 02 They are awful.
32:46 Speaker 04 Rather than going, oh, here's a fake V. Have a go on that.
32:50 Speaker 02 I don't know much about the duck's social engagement with one another and how
32:54 Speaker 04 Yeah.
32:55 Speaker 02 over time, it's possible for female ducks to teach the consent to male ducks. Yeah, but that's the ideal.
33:01 Speaker 04 Of course, that's the ideal.
33:02 Speaker 02 But in the absence of that slow burner, let's have multi, multi-vag.
33:05 Speaker 04 My counter argument to that, though, Sue, is. Never in a million years did I think you could just all of a sudden create decoy vaginas.
33:13 Speaker 03 Well, literally, it's millions of years.
33:14 Speaker 04 It's millions of years. That's what I mean, but you've got to start somewhere. It's like recycling.
33:18 Speaker 02 Yeah, it is like recycling.
33:19 Speaker 04 If we all just go, oh, there's no point us recycling because look at Japan, then it won't even touch the sides, the amount of shit that they throw around and all the big businesses and all this lot. So what's the point in us saving water in a shower and putting recycling in the recycling bin? Because, but you've got to start somewhere.
33:36 Speaker 02 But with the ducks, it's different because I guess, I guess the sexual imperative for male ducks to do that was so strong that actually the anatomy altered before the behaviour and that took millions of years. You didn't think we'd be here. None of us thought we'd be here, but we are here, Jake.
34:00 Speaker 03 Observing you with Joe makes me realise how good you are at improv.
34:03 Speaker 04 That's what I mean.
34:04 Speaker 03 Because you are able to roll with anything.
34:06 Speaker 04 We started that with you love improv and then I spent the whole time thinking, is this improv?
34:11 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's improv.
34:13 Speaker 03 That's one of the, that's one of the key things of improv though, isn't it? It's, it's yes and.
34:16 Speaker 02 Yes and.
34:16 Speaker 03 It's never like, no, that doesn't make sense. It's a yes.
34:19 Speaker 04 That's the skill of it.
34:19 Speaker 03 What are the key, the key sort of tenants of, you know, classic improv?
34:23 Speaker 02 It's exactly that. It's yes and. So if we're creating an improvisation, you can't counter anything I say.
34:29 Speaker 03 Well, that's a good one because Joe's always, I've always thought Joe would be a very good actor. If you were to improvise a scene now, could you walk him through how that would work?
34:35 Speaker 04 What sort of roles would you have me?
34:36 Speaker 02 What scene do you want? What, if you set the scene for us, we can improv for you.
34:40 Speaker 03 Okay, all right. Do you know what? Let's get, let's get our wonderful production team involved. What are the, what are some things you need? Do you need a place? What are the, what are the things we need?
34:47 Speaker 02 All right, yeah. Let's have a, where are we? A bouncy castle.
34:50 Speaker 03 We're at Bouncy Castle.
34:51 Speaker 02 Oh, she's making us do movement. That's fine, that's fine. It's fine. Right, so Bouncy Castle. Who are we in the Bouncy Castle?
34:58 Speaker 03 You're the parents of two kids at a birthday party. However, the child whose birthday party it is, you suspect to be an actual demon.
35:06 Speaker 04 Hey, Sienna.
35:08 Speaker 02 How are you doing, Bryony? It's a same-sex relationship.
35:10 Speaker 03 Oh, nice, lovely.
35:14 Speaker 02 Have you noticed that Charlie face shifted? Just face shifted over there. But you know, he ain't right, that kid. It's not right.
35:24 Speaker 04 No, I, I, I...
35:25 Speaker 02 I disagree. I agree with you, Sienna. You're totally right, Bryony. Yeah, something came up for a minute ago when I first answered your question. It's alright. And now it's back to normal. It's completely normal. Yeah, that Charlie kid, fucking hell. Yeah. Why do we let Shalique go anywhere near him? Well, Shalique loves him. Why? Because I don't know, she's drawn to the demonic, and that's your fault. Yeah, he's the... You do most of the classic parenting. I'm out earning dollar. Listen, I don't mean to blame you, Bryony. You're amazing with the kids, you know, showing Eek, because you're, you know, you named her, you, you did everything. Yeah. But it's up to you. If there's a demonic possession happening on this bouncy castle, I, I think it's only you that can deal with it. Do you think it's our fault?
36:08 Speaker 02 The kids don't wanna come with the trump on the bouncy castle because we're the only ones on it. Yeah, and the fact we only did it for two is a problem. I think we should have made it, made it a bit bigger.
36:20 Speaker 02 I've got such a massive pile. Yeah, well, that will happen. And of course, the pressure will constantly drag the pile out of you. Have you been sticking hoovers up your bum again?
36:32 Speaker 02 He's run out. Oh no.
36:35 Speaker 03 At any point, I expected Joe to burst into, "He's not a demon, he's a very naughty boy." It was very Monty Python, your voice.
36:42 Speaker 02 Look at that.
36:43 Speaker 03 Yeah. Go, well done. Both of you are done.
36:46 Speaker 04 Alright, thank you.
36:47 Speaker 02 Slade it.
36:47 Speaker 03 Yeah, the power of yes and.
36:50 Speaker 04 What, what I loved most about that was your level of commitment.
36:55 Speaker 03 You've got it, you've got to throw yourself in. But what's the point in anything?
36:58 Speaker 02 But yours was too. I think you're doing yourself down.
37:01 Speaker 04 No, but I, I lo-, I loved it because... Your commitment rubbed off on me. It was infectious. I was like, you're going hell for leather, I'm staying in this. Just, there's no point, even if it like, veered off a little bit.
37:15 Speaker 02 A mother.
37:15 Speaker 04 Oh, that was shit. Or if we both went, oh, didn't we, we could have done a better line on that one. It's like, no, we just get to role play this out.
37:21 Speaker 02 There's no pressure, because for me, it's like flying in that you've connected to like a childish sense.
37:28 Speaker 04 Hmm.
37:28 Speaker 02 We need to get a bit more of that. Play, it's just playing. Can't get anything wrong when you're playing. I really enjoyed it.
37:34 Speaker 04 You caught me off guard with the briny.
37:36 Speaker 02 Hmm. I know, but you went with it. This is my test to you. Would you go, would you reject it or would you go for it? And you leaned into it and it was beautiful.
37:43 Speaker 04 Yeah.
37:44 Speaker 02 And thus impro, you're a champ.
37:45 Speaker 04 Thank you.
37:53 Speaker 04 For the final exercise, I would like to give you the gift of my body.
37:58 Speaker 02 Finally. I was promised this was gonna happen a lot earlier in the show, but I've held on to this moment and finally we're here. Okay. How would you like to gift it to me?
38:09 Speaker 04 I will allow you to use me as a human punching bag.
38:15 Speaker 02 I like this.
38:16 Speaker 04 And rule number one,
38:20 Speaker 04 safety.
38:22 Speaker 04 You put these on, I'll go get everything else sorted.
38:26 Speaker 02 Smashing.
38:32 Speaker 04 So I wanna talk you through this last exercise, but I've actually put this helmet on quite tight.
38:38 Speaker 02 Hmm.
38:39 Speaker 04 Um, yeah. I can, I, I think I'm gonna pass out.
38:43 Speaker 02 It makes your eyes look like buttons.
38:44 Speaker 03 Yeah, they're going quite red as well, aren't they?
38:46 Speaker 02 Yeah, they are.
38:47 Speaker 04 Joe, you take this one, please.
38:48 Speaker 02 Yeah.
38:48 Speaker 03 So we designed a little exercise just to really make sure you can get rid of all of that negative energy, okay? So on Joe's person, we've got all of the things that might cause stress in someone's life, work, world events, past trauma, the patriarchy, relationships, and of course, owls. I want you to go hell for leather on his body.
39:06 Speaker 02 I mean, my left arm is screwed, but I will do my best.
39:08 Speaker 03 Just use your right arm to punish him.
39:09 Speaker 02 All right. I'm gonna start with a bit of form and then we'll get into some.
39:12 Speaker 03 Joe can take it.
39:13 Speaker 02 Okay, I'm not.
39:14 Speaker 04 Can I?
39:15 Speaker 03 You can take it. You can take it, we talked about this.
39:18 Speaker 04 Yeah.
39:18 Speaker 02 Mate.
39:19 Speaker 04 I can take it.
39:20 Speaker 02 It would be like a lamb farting on you, that's the, that's the, that's the degree.
39:23 Speaker 03 That was the net, that was the alternative exercise.
39:25 Speaker 02 Yeah, I mean, bring in the lambs, bring in the lambs.
39:27 Speaker 03 Okay, 30 seconds, so any areas that mean, um.
39:32 Speaker 02 We've already smashed the patriarchy.
39:35 Speaker 03 Any areas you like, your 30 seconds, start now. Okay, she's going into relationships, going hard on past trauma. Now just going into his gut, really, which is not really actually labelled anything. He seems to be laughing more than anything else. The guts getting a hammering, relationships are getting a hammering. The patriarchy has taken one for the team as well.
39:53 Speaker 02 Liver shot him.
39:54 Speaker 03 Owl's actually staying quite clear out of any pain.
39:57 Speaker 02 I'm not touching the head.
39:58 Speaker 03 Why didn't you stick with the hands? It's maybe just his kidneys now.
40:02 Speaker 02 Liver.
40:04 Speaker 03 Fucking hell.
40:07 Speaker 03 The things I do. And that's the whistle. That is the whistle. Sue, I think you have absolutely successfully found inner peace using Joe's body.
40:16 Speaker 02 I re-enjoyed that, Joe, thanks.
40:17 Speaker 03 Joe, I think you enjoyed that, you were laughing through most of it.
40:21 Speaker 04 What I enjoyed about it, Jake, was.
40:25 Speaker 02 The tiny helmet?
40:27 Speaker 04 What I enjoyed most about that, Jake, was giving Sue, our client, our patient, the opportunity to really let her hair down and unwind and make the most of my body.
40:41 Speaker 02 Mm, I did.
40:42 Speaker 04 And that was the gift I gave you.
40:44 Speaker 02 I received it gratefully.
40:46 Speaker 04 Sue, unfortunately, we've come to the end of today's session. Before you leave, we come up with a badge. And Jake, you were in charge of that this week?
40:55 Speaker 03 Yeah, today's badge is peace be with Sue.
40:59 Speaker 04 Peace be, she's not dead.
41:02 Speaker 03 That's a good point.
41:03 Speaker 04 Peace be with Sue.
41:04 Speaker 03 As in, she's found it in a piece and now it's with her.
41:06 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's with me.
41:07 Speaker 03 It's with her.
41:07 Speaker 04 Death, death is with her.
41:09 Speaker 02 I don't think death's with me.
41:10 Speaker 04 Yeah, but whenever someone dies, you go, oh, peace be with you.
41:13 Speaker 03 It's a slight error on my part, I didn't realise it had that quality.
41:16 Speaker 02 I'm wearing it nonetheless.
41:17 Speaker 03 I don't want you to feel like a part of you has died from coming here today, sorry.
41:21 Speaker 02 No, I don't, I don't, I don't feel that, I feel released.
41:24 Speaker 03 Good.
41:25 Speaker 02 But most importantly, I feel that one of us has to pick up our daughter, so I'm going to go and do that now.
41:31 Speaker 04 Yes.
41:33 Speaker 02 I'll go and do that.
41:34 Speaker 04 Yeah.
41:35 Speaker 02 I am.
41:36 Speaker 04 Yes, I'll see you later.
41:37 Speaker 02 See you later.
41:38 Speaker 04 What's for dinner?
41:39 Speaker 02 Owl.
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