Pod Insights Joe Marler Will See You Now Elizabeth Day Leaves Joe Marler Speechless! About this episode Elizabeth Day meets Dr. Marler having built a long career of her own out of understanding other people. As the host of How To Fail, and an author fascinated by what lies beneath the surface, she seems like the perfect person for Joe to analyse.
Joe sets out to investigate Elizabeth’s love of reality TV, celebrity gossip and people-watching, and whether all of it points to something deeper. But as the conversation turns to imposter syndrome, introversion and the feeling of never quite fitting in, the session becomes unexpectedly-revealing for both doctor and client.
Along the way, Elizabeth explains why she’d thrive on The Traitors, shares some hot celebrity gossip and helps Joe confront a few feelings he definitely wasn’t expecting to discuss.
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1:30 Speaker 03 Well, congratulations. You did it.
1:34 Speaker 04 What for?
1:34 Speaker 03 The big one.
1:35 Speaker 04 Big, what, as a Pepsi Max?
1:37 Speaker 03 No.
1:38 Speaker 04 You ever been on the Pepsi Max?
1:39 Speaker 03 What's a Pepsi Max?
1:40 Speaker 04 First time I used a Seabom. Pepsi Max, the big one.
1:44 Speaker 03 The big one?
1:45 Speaker 04 Well, you brought it up.
1:46 Speaker 03 Yeah, I'm talking about a big achievement, but what are you talking about?
1:49 Speaker 04 The big one, the Pepsi Max at Blackpool Pleasure Beach.
1:52 Speaker 03 Don't know what that is.
1:53 Speaker 04 What?
1:53 Speaker 03 Never been to Blackpool.
1:54 Speaker 04 Me and you are going out on the town, and the town being Blackpool Pleasure Beach.
1:59 Speaker 03 Really?
1:59 Speaker 04 Yeah, I'll even ride you on a donkey.
2:01 Speaker 03 So you go to this massive ride, you go on it, and then what happens?
2:05 Speaker 04 You get off it?
2:06 Speaker 03 Yeah.
2:07 Speaker 04 That's how rides work?
2:08 Speaker 03 Yeah, no, no, God, God, God, God.
2:10 Speaker 04 It was crazy.
2:11 Speaker 03 God forbid I indulge your anecdote that you brought up.
2:15 Speaker 04 What?
2:15 Speaker 03 First time I ever said the C-bomb was on the Pepsi Max. Oh, tell me about it. Well, I went on it and then I said the C-bomb then. It's like trying to have a fucking like, conversation with the caricature of a teenager is ridiculous. You brought it up. I'm saying well done on the big one.
2:30 Speaker 04 You brought it up.
2:31 Speaker 03 I'm saying it's about something else, the big one, the big achievement.
2:34 Speaker 04 What did you bring up?
2:34 Speaker 03 You are not now Joe Marler, you're a BAFTA award winning Joe Marler.
2:38 Speaker 04 I'm not a BAFTA award winning Joe Marler.
2:40 Speaker 03 No, you're a BAFTA award winning Joe Marler.
2:44 Speaker 03 Celebrity Traitors won a BAFTA this week.
2:47 Speaker 04 Yeah, well done them.
2:48 Speaker 03 Yeah, well done you, mate.
2:49 Speaker 04 Wasn't me.
2:50 Speaker 03 You fucking were. You were in it more than anyone else.
2:52 Speaker 04 I wasn't, yeah.
2:54 Speaker 03 You were in it loads. We're only doing this because you were in it.
2:57 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah.
2:58 Speaker 03 Yeah.
2:58 Speaker 04 Yeah, but I, yeah, it wasn't me, was it?
3:00 Speaker 03 Who was it then?
3:01 Speaker 04 The people that make it.
3:02 Speaker 03 I think congratulations anyway, and thank God it won the BAFTA because that sort of gives us a little bit more legitimacy for doing this as well, doesn't it?
3:12 Speaker 04 Jake, it is a big week for you, isn't it though? Final week of what?
3:17 Speaker 03 Final week of Saturday Night Live UK.
3:19 Speaker 04 SNL UK.
3:20 Speaker 03 Yeah, I've been there every Saturday.
3:22 Speaker 04 I've fucking loved watching you on that, mate.
3:23 Speaker 03 Oh, thank you, mate. I've loved doing it. But nothing brings me more joy than spending time with you, brother.
3:27 Speaker 04 Hmm, is that true? Because I was actually, uh, at Television Centre the other day, wasn't I? And I text you to see if you're about.
3:34 Speaker 03 Hmm.
3:35 Speaker 04 And it took you seven or eight hours to get back to me saying, yeah, I'm here, brother. Where are you at?
3:40 Speaker 03 It's funny that you say that, isn't it? Because I'm, I remember actually asking you if you wanted to do something with me a while ago and I text you, are you free on this date in June? And you never got back. So, what's worse, seven hours before you get back to a friend or never getting back to a friend? Let's, let's put it to our lovely team. Guys, give me a cheer if you think it's worse to take seven hours to respond to a text.
4:07 Speaker 03 Give me a cheer if you think it's worse just to never respond to a text. Fuck it, they don't fucking cheer for anything. Do you know what? I'm going to a new category. Give me a cheer if you work on the show but don't engage in any sort of vocalised referendums. Woo, yeah, I think that's the worst one. What the bloody hell's going on over here?
4:23 Speaker 04 Yes. Yes. I think they're more interested to know.
4:27 Speaker 03 I do love you, brother.
4:28 Speaker 04 Who we've actually got. What did you say?
4:30 Speaker 03 I said I do love you though, brother.
4:31 Speaker 04 In what way?
4:32 Speaker 03 I just, like, I've, I've really, it's been a very special thing to do this, but also make, uh, probably one of my closest friends in the world in you.
4:43 Speaker 03 Yeah, no one was ready for that, were they?
4:47 Speaker 04 Wow. Fucking hell.
4:49 Speaker 03 You alright with that? Can you handle that? You can't? You can't handle that?
4:54 Speaker 04 No.
4:54 Speaker 03 Alright, well, take it, do what you can with it. I think it's okay to tell someone what you want from them, and what I want from you is, I don't know, a little bit of affection, but that's okay. Um, and on that note, I suppose, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, you don't come to this side of the office very often. Wow. Oh, wow.
5:16 Speaker 03 Wow, do you know what, while I've got you here, on the subject of asking people what you want from them, we'd actually like you, the viewer and listener, to do something as well for us. And I think it's okay to ask for what you want. We want you to help us grow this show by liking, by subscribing.
5:34 Speaker 04 Yeah, on YouTube.
5:35 Speaker 03 On YouTube. Yeah, and commenting, because we've built-
5:39 Speaker 04 At We'll See You Now Show.
5:40 Speaker 03 We're doing something here, guys, we're building a community of friends.
5:43 Speaker 04 We're doing something.
5:43 Speaker 03 We really are doing something.
5:44 Speaker 04 Why don't you, why don't you jump on the big one? With us?
5:48 Speaker 03 Don't know, okay.
5:50 Speaker 04 Is that too much? I thought it was a good callback.
5:52 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's good, it's very good.
5:54 Speaker 04 But I just wanted you to know that
5:57 Speaker 04 I took on board what you said.
5:58 Speaker 03 Hmm.
5:59 Speaker 04 Um, it's kind of you. I struggle with accepting that. I struggle with any sort of-
6:06 Speaker 03 Does it look like I'm sat on his lap?
6:11 Speaker 03 Does it?
6:13 Speaker 03 Does it look like I'm a ventriloquist dummy?
6:15 Speaker 04 I've, I've really enjoyed getting to know you.
6:17 Speaker 03 Yeah, I've enjoyed getting to know you. But that's it.
6:20 Speaker 04 And I find it really hard to give myself to people. In the fear of being-
6:26 Speaker 03 Give yourself to me.
6:27 Speaker 04 Being, uh, betrayed.
6:30 Speaker 03 Mm-hmm.
6:30 Speaker 04 Uh-
6:31 Speaker 03 I will never betray you.
6:32 Speaker 04 And I want to believe that.
6:36 Speaker 03 Mm-hmm.
6:38 Speaker 04 But I just, I do find it tough to actually do that.
6:41 Speaker 03 I can only prove that to you through what I do, not through what I say, and if that takes time, that takes time.
6:48 Speaker 03 Are you closing your eyes? Because I'm closing mine.
6:50 Speaker 04 Definitely.
6:51 Speaker 03 Okay. Alright.
6:53 Speaker 04 Shall we do the guest bit?
6:54 Speaker 03 Do the guest bit.
6:54 Speaker 04 Okay, sure, alright.
6:58 Speaker 04 Right, enough of that, enough of the...
7:02 Speaker 04 Enough of the bonding. Who've we got in today's chair, Jake?
7:05 Speaker 03 We've got someone who I think is a little bit unlike anyone we've had.
7:09 Speaker 04 Oh, that's good, that's a good, that's a good start.
7:11 Speaker 03 I think that we've got someone who embraces failure.
7:17 Speaker 04 Good.
7:17 Speaker 03 We've got someone who is an accomplished writer.
7:20 Speaker 04 Oh.
7:21 Speaker 03 I don't think we've ever had anyone who's quite been in that space of being a novelist, a very accomplished novelist.
7:26 Speaker 04 Oh.
7:27 Speaker 03 Um, we've also got someone who is a far more accomplished podcaster than either of us.
7:31 Speaker 04 Excellent. Not odd, though, so that's not the best thing to shout about.
7:35 Speaker 03 Um, let me give you one last clue and just say, just one look at you. And I know it's gonna be Elizabeth Day. Elizabeth Day, Elizabeth Day, Elizabeth Day, Elizabeth, Elizabeth, Elizabeth Day. Elizabeth Day, Elizabeth, Elizabeth Day. Elizabeth Day, everybody!
8:00 Speaker 04 Elizabeth Day, woo!
8:02 Speaker 03 Our podcast is called How To Fail.
8:04 Speaker 04 How To Fail.
8:05 Speaker 03 Biggest failure in your life?
8:07 Speaker 04 Well, every day I feel like a failure. I feel like I'm failing my eldest son at the moment with how I'm trying to parent or not parent. Um...
8:17 Speaker 03 You're a wonderful parent.
8:18 Speaker 04 That time where I checked, I checked to see if I shit myself from afar, that was a fail, wasn't it? Because it turned out that I still had half hour to go in the car and I didn't have any wipes. So that's a fail.
8:28 Speaker 03 I wouldn't feel bad about that. I, I once did a similar thing. I woke up, did this little similar thing. There was a little splodge that came out.
8:35 Speaker 04 Yeah.
8:36 Speaker 03 And I was living with an ex-girlfriend at the time. She woke up. And I'm thinking, God, how am I gonna explain this? And I just said, the cat, the cat must have done a little bit of a whoopsie in the bed.
8:48 Speaker 04 You blamed a cat shitting in the bed?
8:49 Speaker 03 Yeah.
8:50 Speaker 04 Yeah, let's get her in.
8:53 Speaker 04 Janet, please could you send in Elizabeth Day?
8:58 Speaker 04 Yes, thank you.
9:03 Speaker 04 Elizabeth Day, everybody! Hi.
9:07 Speaker 05 Oh, sorry.
9:10 Speaker 05 Hello. Wait, but we hugged earlier, so now it's like...
9:13 Speaker 04 No, we haven't met yet. We haven't, this is the first time we've met, isn't it, Elizabeth? Hello, meeting you for the first time.
9:20 Speaker 05 Janet said you didn't like hugs, so what can I say?
9:22 Speaker 04 Did she?
9:22 Speaker 05 Yeah.
9:24 Speaker 04 Well, that's not true.
9:24 Speaker 03 Janet started getting very jealous of other people showing you affection. She told me to stop hugging you as well, I don't know what's going on there.
9:30 Speaker 05 It's not just women, then?
9:31 Speaker 03 No, no, no, no, something going on.
9:32 Speaker 05 I do think she's in love with you. She just hasn't found the words yet.
9:37 Speaker 04 I don't know how to deal with that. I get very uncomfortable around her. Well, people.
9:45 Speaker 04 People, but yes, Janet, definitely Janet. How are you?
9:49 Speaker 05 I'm so good, thank you.
9:51 Speaker 04 Oh, so good.
9:52 Speaker 05 Yeah, I'm so excited to meet you.
9:54 Speaker 04 Meet me?
9:54 Speaker 05 Yes.
9:55 Speaker 04 Oh, what about Jake from SNL UK?
9:57 Speaker 05 I was very excited to meet him, and then I was even more excited when I realised who it was. Yeah.
10:03 Speaker 04 There was that moment, that like, oh my god, it's you! It was good.
10:07 Speaker 05 He's also wearing an excellent suit, and you're wearing an excellent jacket. So we've all got the tailoring memo.
10:12 Speaker 03 I've got such a good feeling about today, I don't know what it is.
10:15 Speaker 04 You look, it's quite gangster, because...
10:17 Speaker 05 Because of the shoulders?
10:18 Speaker 04 No, the pinstripes, isn't it?
10:20 Speaker 05 And the pinstripes.
10:21 Speaker 04 I thought that was a traditional thing.
10:23 Speaker 05 It is.
10:23 Speaker 04 Gangsters wear pinstripes. Can we start at the beginning?
10:26 Speaker 05 Yes.
10:27 Speaker 04 With the intake questionnaire?
10:29 Speaker 05 Please.
10:30 Speaker 04 Full name?
10:31 Speaker 05 Elizabeth Anne with an E, Melanie Day.
10:35 Speaker 04 What's the difference between Anne with an E and Anne without an E?
10:38 Speaker 05 Well, people who have Anne in their name are very specific about whether there's an E or a not, and it generally pertains as to whether you liked Anne of Green Gables. So there were these books, the Anne of Green Gables books, and the character who I had a massive affinity with growing up, because she was sort of stubborn and unlovable. She was always very specific about the fact that her name was spelt with an E, because I think she felt that it was classier.
11:06 Speaker 04 Okay. And is that how you feel as well?
11:09 Speaker 05 I just feel an affinity with Anne of Green Gables. I don't necessarily think it's classier, but I do think it looks nicer.
11:14 Speaker 04 Do you prefer Elizabeth, Liz, Beth, Betty, Lilibut, Lily?
11:22 Speaker 04 Sarah, what nickname do you prefer?
11:25 Speaker 05 I love this question. I prefer Elizabeth.
11:29 Speaker 04 The whole name?
11:30 Speaker 05 The whole name.
11:31 Speaker 04 And if it was to be shortened?
11:32 Speaker 05 If it has to be shortened, some of my very close friends call me Lizzy, which I think is sweet.
11:38 Speaker 04 I.e. or Y?
11:39 Speaker 05 I.e.
11:40 Speaker 04 Because Y is too trashy.
11:42 Speaker 05 I wouldn't say trashy. I just feel like...
11:46 Speaker 03 But you'd say common. Oh, horrible. Terrible. Elizabeth Day.
11:53 Speaker 05 I just don't, I think I don't like words that end with a Y. It feels like there's not enough of a...
11:57 Speaker 04 A surname ends with a Y.
12:00 Speaker 05 Great point.
12:01 Speaker 04 Star sign?
12:03 Speaker 05 Scorpio.
12:06 Speaker 04 Sorry.
12:06 Speaker 05 Thought of, yeah.
12:08 Speaker 03 It's the one star sign, when you say it, people go, "Ooh."
12:10 Speaker 05 Yes, but we have a fervent sense of loyalty. So if you do us wrong, we will never forget. I've now learnt to forgive, but I will never forget. I have grudges that are so old, I don't even remember what they did wrong, but I just know that that person slighted me in some way.
12:29 Speaker 04 I'd like to explore that a bit later, hang on. Give, not forget. No, forgive, do forget.
12:35 Speaker 05 We're all so devastatingly charismatic, and we're meant to be the sexiest sign of the zodiac, so, I mean, what can I say?
12:43 Speaker 04 Well, I think, I think you just did say it.
12:44 Speaker 05 Yes, I know. I mean, it's been said of us. So who am I to protest?
12:50 Speaker 04 Occupation.
12:51 Speaker 03 Oof.
12:52 Speaker 05 Writer and podcaster.
12:55 Speaker 04 Who's the biggest celeb you've met?
12:57 Speaker 05 Clint Eastwood. Wow. Yeah, he was amazing.
13:04 Speaker 05 It's like he's in the room.
13:07 Speaker 05 Hey.
13:10 Speaker 03 Boy. For the audio listener, I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to do.
13:15 Speaker 03 Normally, I have this sort of stuff covered, but I don't know what that was.
13:18 Speaker 04 He's like your biggest...
13:21 Speaker 03 Would Joe be the physically biggest celeb you've ever met?
13:25 Speaker 04 What?
13:25 Speaker 05 Great question.
13:26 Speaker 04 Oh, is that what that meant?
13:27 Speaker 03 No, no, no, it's not. I'm just, while we're on it, I would just be curious to know.
13:30 Speaker 04 Who's physically the best, biggest celeb you've met?
13:34 Speaker 05 Probably Joe Marler, but unless we're talking height, I have met Peter Crouch.
13:38 Speaker 04 Oh.
13:39 Speaker 05 Yes.
13:39 Speaker 04 He is very tall.
13:40 Speaker 05 He's pretty tall.
13:41 Speaker 04 Yeah, okay. So you want him as the biggest, that's fine. Childhood crush?
13:47 Speaker 05 Childhood crush, Morten Harket, lead singer of Aha.
13:52 Speaker 04 Aha, yeah, no, that's...
13:54 Speaker 05 Take... Take on me, take on me, take me on, take on me, I'll be your...
14:14 Speaker 05 Again, like he's in the room.
14:18 Speaker 03 Needless to say. Sorry, we're done.
14:23 Speaker 04 Can't be one of your own? Favorite book?
14:27 Speaker 03 Can't be one of Joe's either.
14:28 Speaker 05 No, okay.
14:31 Speaker 05 Favorite book, it changes, but I'm gonna say Bonfire of the Vanities by Tom Wolfe.
14:37 Speaker 04 Bonfire of the Vanities?
14:39 Speaker 05 Yes.
14:41 Speaker 05 It's this epic, dramatic novel set in 1980s New York about a master of the universe, a Wall Street trader, who does something terrible and accidentally kills someone. And then it unspools and you follow the trial and it was brilliant.
14:57 Speaker 04 Favorite hobby?
15:00 Speaker 05 I think hobbies are really overrated. Watching reality TV, going to the cinema. I mean, I...
15:07 Speaker 04 Would you go to cinema on your own?
15:08 Speaker 05 Yes, I love it. I love going to cinema.
15:11 Speaker 03 We're friends.
15:12 Speaker 04 Jake, what about you?
15:13 Speaker 03 I...
15:14 Speaker 04 Cinema on your own?
15:15 Speaker 03 I would go to cinema on my own, yeah.
15:16 Speaker 04 Dinner on your own?
15:17 Speaker 03 Dinner on my own, definitely.
15:18 Speaker 05 Oh, I think dinner's trickier.
15:20 Speaker 04 That's trickier than the cinema. You can hide easier in the cinema.
15:23 Speaker 03 I love going for dinner on my own. Oh, God. Oh, God. You know what was really, what was tough about this whole thing is that you guys were like, "Yeah, stuff on your own, yeah, stuff on your own."
15:33 Speaker 05 I saw it.
15:34 Speaker 03 Jake, you say, "Yeah," to something on your own. I said, "Yeah, dinner on my own," and you both went, "Oh, loser." And I was just, to be honest with you, I'm not that passionate about any of those things on my own. I just sort of said it to join in with you guys. And then now suddenly I'm the weird guy in the corner who's eating on his own again for the fourth night in a row because he can't hold down a relationship.
15:51 Speaker 05 I'm crying. Wait, but when you go for dinner on your own, do you take something, do you take something to read or watch?
16:00 Speaker 05 Do you, or do you just?
16:01 Speaker 03 Just a mirror.
16:04 Speaker 03 Just a mirror, I'm just looking at myself.
16:05 Speaker 04 What's a reality show you'd love to take part in?
16:08 Speaker 05 The, The Traitors.
16:09 Speaker 04 You'd like to do The Traitors?
16:11 Speaker 05 I'd love to.
16:12 Speaker 04 Why?
16:13 Speaker 05 Because I...
16:15 Speaker 03 You did all right of it.
16:16 Speaker 05 Yeah, I think it's incredibly interesting psychologically. But I also think it has such a good spirit to it. Like, the people who do Traitors are doing it primarily for the love of the game, and there are very few reality TV shows that still have that ethos.
16:35 Speaker 04 Any other ones? What about Big Brother? Old school or new school Big Brothers?
16:38 Speaker 05 Old school Big Brother, I think.
16:40 Speaker 04 That would be good, yeah.
16:40 Speaker 05 The only thing that would bother me is that you can't take books in, so I wouldn't be able to read.
16:45 Speaker 04 What?
16:46 Speaker 03 Nerd.
16:48 Speaker 05 I know!
16:49 Speaker 03 Sorry.
16:50 Speaker 05 So massive nerd.
16:51 Speaker 04 I'm the nerd.
16:52 Speaker 05 You're correct.
16:53 Speaker 04 We're addressing that, we're addressing... That, that being shouted from your corner, from your corner.
17:01 Speaker 05 Nerd game, see, nerd game.
17:04 Speaker 04 That is ridiculous. Out of everyone sat in this room, and there's nothing wrong with being a nerd, but anyone sat, the stereotype of a nerd is sat in the podcast.
17:13 Speaker 03 I don't know where it came from. It was the bully became the bully. I don't know what happened.
17:18 Speaker 05 I, I thought it was sweet. Thank you.
17:20 Speaker 03 I would love to see you in Big Brother because I think the boredom and not being able to have access to the pen and the paper would lead to some sort of ingenious secret code. Because the codes that they use are so, to talk amongst each other are so basic, they get found out so quickly.
17:34 Speaker 05 Yeah.
17:34 Speaker 03 Like, they just use each other's initials, basically, and say, "We've got a code, we've got a code." Whereas I feel like you would sort of craft something quite ingenious.
17:41 Speaker 05 Thank you. You're, you're trying to compensate.
17:44 Speaker 03 I am, yeah, I very much am, I very much am.
17:46 Speaker 05 And you have compensated.
17:47 Speaker 03 Nerd.
17:49 Speaker 05 You know, I played a game with my friends a couple of months ago, which was, who is the oldest person alive that you would still have sex with?
18:04 Speaker 05 And I, I chose Robert Redford, and then he died. I know.
18:10 Speaker 04 After you did it.
18:12 Speaker 05 We didn't have sex.
18:14 Speaker 05 But I just chose, and then clearly, I was like, oh, I'd better not say now.
18:19 Speaker 04 So you don't want to play that game again?
18:20 Speaker 05 No, I think I've got too much power.
18:22 Speaker 04 Jake?
18:22 Speaker 03 I'd sleep with Cher.
18:24 Speaker 05 You'd sleep with Cher, great call.
18:26 Speaker 03 It's my oldest.
18:27 Speaker 05 That is a great call. Would yours be Jane Fonda?
18:31 Speaker 04 Who's Jane Fonda?
18:32 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah, definitely.
18:34 Speaker 05 The workout of the 1980s. She's a kind of...
18:37 Speaker 04 I was minus 10 in the 1980s. I know that's hard to believe.
18:43 Speaker 05 What year were you born?
18:44 Speaker 04 90.
18:45 Speaker 05 That's annoying.
18:47 Speaker 04 What year were you born?
18:48 Speaker 05 1978.
18:50 Speaker 04 What? Really? You were born in 78?
18:54 Speaker 05 Mm-hmm.
18:55 Speaker 04 Wow.
18:55 Speaker 05 Yeah.
18:56 Speaker 04 You look great.
18:57 Speaker 05 Thank you, that's so kind of you.
18:58 Speaker 04 What do you do? Do you do any biohacking?
19:00 Speaker 05 I don't have children.
19:01 Speaker 04 Okay, that helps, yeah. Biohacking, though?
19:04 Speaker 05 I don't do any biohacking.
19:05 Speaker 04 No.
19:06 Speaker 05 I, I drink a lot of water. I have had salmon sperm injected into my face.
19:15 Speaker 03 Is that a regular treatment or a one-off thing that happens?
19:17 Speaker 05 Regular, regular. But like, not that regular. A couple of times a year.
19:23 Speaker 04 Couple of times a year, you put salmon's...
19:24 Speaker 05 Which is biohacking. You're right, it is biohacking.
19:27 Speaker 04 In your face or on your face?
19:29 Speaker 05 Someone does it in, underneath, under the epidermis.
19:32 Speaker 04 What, with the... What, so they...
19:35 Speaker 05 With a kind of needle and I think, do you call them...
19:37 Speaker 04 Fucking hell, thank god. I thought someone got the salmon.
19:40 Speaker 05 No, and just jizzed it off.
19:41 Speaker 04 Yeah, juiced it off.
19:43 Speaker 05 Tiny little salmon penis, just, no.
19:45 Speaker 04 Yeah.
19:46 Speaker 05 No. I mean, that could, it could be an option.
19:48 Speaker 04 It might make it cheaper.
19:50 Speaker 05 That is a great, great point.
19:52 Speaker 04 You cut out like the bit where you have to extract it and all that, the middleman, and just...
19:56 Speaker 03 The salmon's got to watch something to get himself...
19:59 Speaker 05 He's got to watch a video, Cher.
20:01 Speaker 04 That's my need. I've been looking for a job. I want to be a salmon fluffer.
20:05 Speaker 05 Yeah, right. I can see you doing that.
20:07 Speaker 04 Uh, last one. Do you consent to being analysed by someone who's not a real doctor?
20:10 Speaker 05 Definitely.
20:11 Speaker 04 Wow, the speed at which you did that. Okay, that's great. That's really good.
20:18 Speaker 04 Elizabeth, you know a lot about other people's lives, don't you?
20:21 Speaker 05 There we go, that's the recurring thread.
20:23 Speaker 03 Nice, we needed that.
20:24 Speaker 05 Seamless.
20:25 Speaker 04 You've studied celebrity failures on your podcast as well, How To Fail. And you also started your writing career working on celebrity gossip columns. So we've got celebrity failures on your How To Fail podcast. You keep bringing back reality TV and your love for it. Would it be fair to say that you're slightly obsessed with the lives of other people?
20:50 Speaker 05 Wholly obsessed.
20:52 Speaker 04 Let's find out how deep this obsession goes then, shall we?
20:55 Speaker 05 Yes.
21:00 Speaker 04 Right, come on then.
21:01 Speaker 05 Let's do it.
21:02 Speaker 04 Let's dig into it. How much do you really love reality TV? Like, what are you into? What's your go-tos? What do you binge the most?
21:09 Speaker 05 The Real Housewives franchises. I think I watch every single one, have watched every single one from the beginning. They are peerless.
21:19 Speaker 04 Why? Hang on, peerless?
21:21 Speaker 05 Without comparison. They're just in a league of their own. And I think they're like that because they started off as fly-on-the-wall documentaries. But how it started out was genuinely, this guy had an idea. He lived in Orange County. He lived in a gated community full of sort of wealthy people. And he was intrigued by the women who often stayed at home and kept house for their rich spouse. And he pitched the idea of a documentary. And so it started off in a very traditional documentary format. That's the first season of The Real Housewives of Orange County. And then the footage just sat on a shelf somewhere. And a brilliant young producer called Andy Cohen picked up the footage and was like, oh, there's something there.
22:04 Speaker 05 And The Desperate Housewives was a hit TV show at the time. And so he recut it and called it The Real Housewives. And that's the genesis of the show that we have today. But at its heart, what I find fascinating is how groups of people interact. And in this specific franchise, it's groups of women. And very often, they are eccentric and camp and fabulous and exaggerating. And awful and get sent to jail. But there's also all of this sort of quiet storyline going on underneath the surface, which is about the power of female friendship or the power of accountability when you've done something wrong. And I love seeing those relationships develop over time, as well as being entertained by it. This is how passionate I am about reality TV.
22:47 Speaker 04 I can tell that. The way you described it from the start of The Housewives to The Thing has made me go, fucking hell, you love this.
22:55 Speaker 05 I do.
22:55 Speaker 04 And it's made because of the passion you've spoken about it, I'm like, well, I'm gonna go home and I'm gonna start watching Housewives now.
23:01 Speaker 05 I'm so happy to hear that. I mean, there's also another point, which is, at the time when I started watching Housewives, which was like fifteen years ago, a lot of female roles for women forty plus were quite cliched, or they were mumzy.
23:16 Speaker 04 Like the spinster.
23:17 Speaker 05 Exactly.
23:17 Speaker 04 Or the floozy stop.
23:20 Speaker 05 Exactly, or the housewife.
23:21 Speaker 04 Yeah.
23:22 Speaker 05 And suddenly there are these women who are so multifaceted in their complexity, they can be brilliant and they can be awful, and they're allowed to be. It was also the first place that I saw the reality of IVF portrayed for the first time, when I was going through fertility treatment. And so, for me, reality TV performs such an important function, because yes, it's unbelievably entertaining, but so often, we see ourselves in what we're being shown in a way that we don't always see in other parts of culture.
23:51 Speaker 04 Okay, so that's Housewives obsession.
23:54 Speaker 05 Yes.
23:54 Speaker 04 That's your reality. What about some like, reality TV best moments? What are like, ones that stand out for you?
24:03 Speaker 05 Well, I do think, and I'm not just, well, I probably am just saying it because you're here, but Celebrity Traitors, the denouement of Celebrity Traitors, season one.
24:13 Speaker 04 Behave yourself.
24:14 Speaker 05 Sorry.
24:14 Speaker 04 Because I think you're doing it on purpose now.
24:16 Speaker 05 What?
24:17 Speaker 04 Because you know I have to do it every time, denouement.
24:20 Speaker 05 Denouement.
24:21 Speaker 04 Denouement.
24:22 Speaker 05 Which, that is, now that's an interesting.
24:23 Speaker 03 Now you've gone to French as well, we're struggling with the English stuff.
24:26 Speaker 05 Untying, isn't it, a non, is that what it comes from?
24:29 Speaker 04 Shakespeare invented seventeen hundred words.
24:32 Speaker 05 He, wow.
24:33 Speaker 04 One of them was bedroom.
24:35 Speaker 05 Really?
24:36 Speaker 04 But really, like bedroom, he came up with bedroom. Doesn't that make you go, oh, fucking hell, he wasn't all that.
24:42 Speaker 03 But that was a cultural shift as well, because I don't think people saw that there were rooms designated for different things, it was just go where you can. The hallway, I can believe this, the hallway was something that had to be invented in the fifteen hundreds. So before that, there was just room to room to room to room. There were no hallways. And there was an architect who was like, right, I think we're gonna put a bit of space between the rooms.
25:04 Speaker 05 Nerd.
25:07 Speaker 05 Ah, yeah.
25:08 Speaker 03 Yeah, great. This is great.
25:11 Speaker 06 Yeah. Yes, I feel so alive.
25:15 Speaker 05 But so if there are separate bedrooms in a house without a hallway or a corridor, so they would just walk into each other's bedrooms?
25:21 Speaker 03 You just walk, you just walk room to room.
25:22 Speaker 05 That's awkward, isn't it?
25:23 Speaker 03 Yeah, and if you go to some of those old... No, there's still walls.
25:26 Speaker 05 No, I...
25:27 Speaker 03 You go to those old street houses?
25:29 Speaker 05 If you're just walking, you have to get to the...
25:31 Speaker 03 Yeah.
25:32 Speaker 05 Would it even have been a kitchen or just an open fireplace?
25:36 Speaker 03 I don't know, a half?
25:36 Speaker 05 You have to get to the kitchen for a cup of, cup of mead. And you have to walk through your parents' bedroom and they're engaged in the act.
25:45 Speaker 03 Yes.
25:46 Speaker 05 Yeah, or, well, or missionary.
25:51 Speaker 03 The missionary, I think the, so missionaries came later, this was the 1500s.
25:56 Speaker 05 That's a...
25:57 Speaker 03 Good, that is great, good. He's back. Come on. He's back. There you go, he's back.
26:03 Speaker 06 I'm not eating alone tonight.
26:05 Speaker 03 Yeah.
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27:40 Speaker 04 Here's my theory. You're a bit of a voyeur. You like watching from afar. You like watching.
27:47 Speaker 05 Yes.
27:48 Speaker 04 You're into your voyeurism. Is that right?
27:51 Speaker 05 Well,
27:54 Speaker 05 I think the word voyeur comes with certain attachments. So I'm not like a peeping Tom, but I find it fascinating to observe people in order to understand them. But generally speaking, those people know that I'm observing them.
28:12 Speaker 04 Okay.
28:12 Speaker 05 So there's a consent there, yes.
28:14 Speaker 04 But do you feel like you need to be a good observer of people to then be a good writer?
28:19 Speaker 05 Definitely.
28:20 Speaker 04 You don't think you could just be great at writing by just dreaming up shit on your own heads? Which obviously you do.
28:28 Speaker 05 Yeah.
28:29 Speaker 04 But you do it based on people you've observed or characters you've observed.
28:33 Speaker 05 I know exactly, I know what you're saying. And for the way that I write, I absolutely do need to observe real people. And even if I were to write a science fiction fantasy set in a completely alternate universe, I still believe that the only way that I can make my writing compelling and relatable and worthy of connection with the reader is by understanding how people act.
28:59 Speaker 04 Have you ever gone to Clapham Junction?
29:01 Speaker 05 Yes, sadly.
29:02 Speaker 04 And just sat there to watch people?
29:06 Speaker 05 Not Clapham Junction specifically to do that. I love watching people at airports, train stations, on the top deck of a bus.
29:14 Speaker 04 Yeah.
29:15 Speaker 05 I love that.
29:15 Speaker 04 Great.
29:17 Speaker 05 But I do think you've hit on something really interesting here because I...
29:24 Speaker 05 As ironic as it is to say this in present company, I am an introvert. And so I don't love loads of socialising.
29:33 Speaker 04 No, fucking hell, I'm with you on that.
29:36 Speaker 05 It's kind of exhausting.
29:37 Speaker 04 Fucking hell, you need to like, the social battery needs to be like, fully charged.
29:42 Speaker 05 Totally.
29:43 Speaker 04 But the speed at which that drains for me is vroom. And I need to like, take myself out and then just be like, right, I need five minutes, come back in. Not because I don't like the company I'm in or whatever, it's like, I don't know, I just get exhausted. Like, oh, I feel, I don't know, it's weird.
30:03 Speaker 05 Yeah, I feel exactly the same. And I think that, obviously I'm loads older than you, but the society in which I grew up wasn't that friendly to introverts. And so I learnt how to be extroverted if I needed to, or to pretend to be, in fact, to pretend like socialising. And so I know I'm good at it, it's a sort of skill that I've acquired. But exactly like you, I feel quite drained by it. So actually, being able to observe and connect with people without directly having to engage is really meaningful for me.
30:35 Speaker 04 How much observing of people did you have to do for your new book?
30:39 Speaker 05 Yes, my book is called One of Us and it actually is about observation, a lot of it. It's about rich people behaving badly.
30:48 Speaker 04 What, like Made in Chelsea?
30:50 Speaker 05 It's like, I love Made in Chelsea. It's like The Real Housewives meets Succession, meets the talent of Mr Ripley with a dash of White Lotus, I would say. And it's about why we fall in love with the people that damage us, but why we often elect them to. And it's told primarily from the point of view of this character Martin, who has never felt that he fitted in. He's always struggled with his own sexuality, he's lived in denial of it for most of his life. And he gets a scholarship to a boarding school and there he meets the wealthy, aristocratic, charming Ben Fitzmaurice. And he becomes kind of fixated on Ben and they become best friends. And then they have a massive falling out because of. Something that happens at university.
31:35 Speaker 05 And one of us opens with Martin being invited back into Ben's family fold. And he's not sure why he's been invited back in. But Ben is on course to become the next Prime Minister of the UK.
31:49 Speaker 04 Fucking hell.
31:49 Speaker 05 And he wants to tie up a lot of loose ends while Martin is held then on revenge.
31:59 Speaker 04 This is good, isn't it?
32:00 Speaker 05 I hope so.
32:01 Speaker 04 This is really good.
32:02 Speaker 05 And there was a character in it as well, because I also wanted to look at the times that we live in. And why so often we have in the recent past elected in my mind, leaders who have no experience of what it is to live life as a normal person.
32:19 Speaker 04 But what
32:23 Speaker 04 if no one is putting themselves forward to lead that has got that experience of leading life as a normal person. Who the fuck are we meant to?
32:33 Speaker 05 I, that's part of the terrible problem.
32:36 Speaker 04 I'm not saying that that's any good.
32:37 Speaker 05 No, I know.
32:38 Speaker 04 They're any good, I'm saying, but they're the only ones fucking putting themselves out there.
32:42 Speaker 05 Yes, and it's part of the issue is because we've become so accustomed to those people putting themselves forward and then being elected into positions of power. We see that as the representation of power. So we, so, so we can't, we become kind of acclimatized the idea that that's what a leader looks like. And very often, these people who go to elite schools and then go to elite academic institutions and then sail into politics straight away and become career politicians. They've never questioned their own entitlement. They've always felt that they were born to rule. And so they think that's what a leader looks like too. They think they're destined for that. And that's put our politics in a really dangerous position, I think.
33:24 Speaker 04 Who, which characters in your book are loosely based on?
33:29 Speaker 04 Real people then, if any.
33:30 Speaker 05 Yeah, I mean, obviously, they're all entirely fictional.
33:33 Speaker 04 Entirely.
33:34 Speaker 05 Entirely fictional.
33:36 Speaker 04 Completely fictional book.
33:38 Speaker 05 Yes.
33:38 Speaker 04 Based on nothing real or no one real. Isn't that right, Jake?
33:42 Speaker 03 Uh, yes, that's absolutely right, yes.
33:44 Speaker 05 I was definitely, well, I was inspired.
33:47 Speaker 04 But.
33:47 Speaker 05 Okay, so I was inspired by something Margaret Atwood said to me. So she came on How to Fail. She's obviously a terrific writer, wrote Handmaid's Tale. And Handmaid's Tale is this dystopian novel about a terrible future. She said, but in The Handmaid's Tale, I didn't write anything that wasn't already happening or hadn't already happened in the world around us. And so that was the bar that I set for myself for One of Us. So everything in One of Us, as ludicrous, satirical as it might feel, has happened. And there is one particular character called Richard Tate, who I had a lot of fun writing, who is an entirely self-aware, unself-aware Tory politician. He's just lost his front bench seat because he's been caught watching porn on his work computer. Has that actually happened?
34:32 Speaker 05 Yes, it has. And, um.
34:34 Speaker 03 Tractor porn.
34:35 Speaker 05 Tractor porn, tractor porn.
34:37 Speaker 03 Yeah.
34:37 Speaker 05 Yeah.
34:38 Speaker 04 What?
34:38 Speaker 05 Yeah, Neil Parish, caught watching tractor porn.
34:41 Speaker 04 What the fuck is tractor porn?
34:43 Speaker 03 Honestly, it's one of those things that does exactly what it says on the tin.
34:46 Speaker 05 Yeah.
34:48 Speaker 04 Tractor porn?
34:49 Speaker 05 But it's not tractors having sex. It's not tractors having sex.
34:53 Speaker 03 Nearly something.
34:55 Speaker 05 Wait, I missed that.
34:56 Speaker 03 I'm glad you did.
34:57 Speaker 04 I don't understand. Tractors are shagging other tractors?
35:00 Speaker 05 I think, isn't it just people shagging on tractors?
35:02 Speaker 04 Yeah, shagging on it.
35:03 Speaker 05 Fake taxi but with a tractor.
35:04 Speaker 04 Where do you shag on a tractor?
35:05 Speaker 03 Taxi with a tractor. People plowing each other.
35:07 Speaker 04 What's fake?
35:09 Speaker 05 Yes.
35:10 Speaker 03 Oh, we've got that, we've got. It was touching going for a while.
35:13 Speaker 05 They're sowing their seeds.
35:14 Speaker 04 It's good. You both, though, in agreement, went, yeah, like fake taxi. What's fake taxi?
35:19 Speaker 03 Oh, get out of town.
35:22 Speaker 05 Come on.
35:22 Speaker 04 Where do you wanna go, love?
35:23 Speaker 03 Yeah, I know.
35:30 Speaker 04 You mentioned that Martin, the character Martin, doesn't fit in.
35:34 Speaker 05 Yes.
35:34 Speaker 04 And it says in the research here that's been provided to me.
35:38 Speaker 05 Thank you for your honesty.
35:39 Speaker 04 That the imposter syndrome.
35:41 Speaker 05 Yes.
35:42 Speaker 04 Comes up a lot.
35:43 Speaker 05 Yes.
35:43 Speaker 04 In this book. Does that
35:48 Speaker 04 does that come from a personal experience of your own?
35:52 Speaker 05 Yes.
35:52 Speaker 04 That you've drawn on to be like, actually, I know a lot about this imposter syndrome.
35:57 Speaker 05 Yes, I think, I feel like most humans do have similar feelings. So it's not that I'm exceptional in that way.
36:08 Speaker 04 Good, good. Scorpio.
36:11 Speaker 05 Yes. But, and I know also that I am a vastly privileged, like, white, middle-class woman. And I do have an understanding of what it is like to feel like an outsider. So I speak with a very English accent, but aged four, my family moved to the north of Ireland. I never fitted in. I was a bit bullied at secondary school. I ended up getting a scholarship, like Martin, to a boarding school in England. And on the first day at that new school, I was immediately accepted because of how I spoke. But I didn't feel that I understood any of it. And I hadn't grown up knowing the rules of that particular society. So I always felt that I was observing rather than included.
36:55 Speaker 04 Do you still feel that you have imposter syndrome or experienced that feeling? Now that you're sitting here, now that, like, day to day?
37:04 Speaker 05 Yes, in different ways, though. I, I, I'm blessed that I've found my people and I have amazing friendships and relationships in my life. I know that I can rely on the fact that even if I feel insecure about how I do what I do, like, whether I'm recording a podcast interview or writing a book, I can fall back on the fact that I've done it for X amount of hours and X amount of years.
37:31 Speaker 04 Yeah.
37:31 Speaker 05 And so I have an evidence base that I'm probably okay at it. And that's helpful, having that level of practical expertise.
37:39 Speaker 04 I'd love to be able to tap into that, because I haven't got a fucking clue how to get rid of the feeling of. Never belonging.
37:47 Speaker 05 Mm.
37:48 Speaker 04 Even doing this, I'm like, fucking hell, have I managed this? This is great, fucking wang this one, like the seventeen years at rugby. I was never any good at it, I shouldn't have ever been there.
37:57 Speaker 03 It's the evidence-based approach, isn't it? Looking at all the, the whole history of everything you've done, all the things you've done successfully and just thinking, well, maybe I am good at this.
38:05 Speaker 04 Yeah, but there's another thing in my head that also goes, maybe that didn't even happen.
38:09 Speaker 05 Oh, I totally get that.
38:11 Speaker 03 Mm-hmm.
38:11 Speaker 05 I, first of all, I think it's really beautiful that you shared that.
38:15 Speaker 04 Oh, thanks.
38:15 Speaker 05 Really.
38:16 Speaker 04 Thanks.
38:16 Speaker 05 And I also think that it's sometimes an amazing thing still to have. Like, clearly you are brilliant at what you do. Clearly you are a brilliant rugby player, clearly you are like great at this and you were great on the traitors and all of that. But maybe it's good that you don't fully believe it because it means that you care. And it also means that you are attuned to other people's responses to you. And that's a really beautiful thing to take in the world and we actually need more of it. So maybe you never want to lose it entirely. It's actually very powerful feeling like you're not fully included sometimes.
38:52 Speaker 04 Well, thank you, that's really kind of you. I don't know how to deal with that, we didn't look at that much, but it was nice. But I do also think there's a part of me that goes, it's, it might be easier for me to continue down that route of not feeling like I belong as a great defence mechanism of like, well, I didn't, I didn't want to be there anyway.
39:13 Speaker 05 Yeah.
39:14 Speaker 04 Like, do you know what I mean? When it does go tits up or it does go, it doesn't go well or you are, um, you know, actually you're not, I don't, I'm not very good at that. It's a defence mechanism for me, well, I didn't, I wasn't meant to be there anyway, I didn't want to be there, do you know what I mean?
39:30 Speaker 05 I know exactly what you mean. It's an avoidant attachment, like you're avoiding being hurt
39:36 Speaker 04 Hmm.
39:37 Speaker 05 by refusing to open up and be attached to something.
39:41 Speaker 04 Yeah.
39:41 Speaker 05 And I've got insecure attachment where I'm like, just love me, love me, love me. Like, let me try, let me try harder and harder and work harder and do everything. And eventually like that will make me feel safe. And neither one of them is bad, but I think it's really powerful to know that that's where it comes from. Part of your avoidance is making the joke before other people make it. And I want you to know that you are, you are fundamentally lovable. You are loved, just you don't actually have to do anything, you are loved exactly as you are.
40:16 Speaker 05 I know you don't believe that, but I want you to know it.
40:23 Speaker 04 Thank you. That was kind of you.
40:34 Speaker 05 Oh, Joe.
40:37 Speaker 04 I don't know how to deal with that. I'm not very good at that either.
40:40 Speaker 05 I know.
40:41 Speaker 04 Because I like to think that,
40:44 Speaker 04 oh, I can handle awkwardness. I can handle silence. You know, I've always based things on making other people feel uncomfortable.
40:54 Speaker 04 But you've just made me feel incredibly uncomfortable.
40:57 Speaker 05 I know, sorry.
40:57 Speaker 04 So I don't know how to deal with that. So I will deal with it in the most mature way I know how to. And go, "Thank you, Elizabeth. It's really kind of you."
41:06 Speaker 05 Thank you, Joe.
41:10 Speaker 04 Right, Elizabeth. We've identified your voyeuristic tendencies, but it's no bad thing.
41:17 Speaker 05 Thank you.
41:18 Speaker 04 It's your superpower. We'd like you to give us the best piece of hot goss that you've collected in all your years of voyeurism, but people watching. Let's call it people watching.
41:31 Speaker 03 We're gonna, we're basically gonna exchange hot gossip that we've heard over the years.
41:36 Speaker 05 Okay.
41:36 Speaker 03 And we are gonna do as, we're gonna put as many pigeon noises and animal noises over any key details.
41:42 Speaker 05 Yes.
41:43 Speaker 03 In the edit.
41:43 Speaker 05 Like names.
41:44 Speaker 03 Like names.
41:45 Speaker 04 Why don't you go first? Do you want to go first or Jake go first?
41:47 Speaker 05 I can go first. It's actually awful. Like, I feel so bad because she seems like a lovely, lovely woman. But this story, and maybe you've heard it, has been doing the rounds of what used to be known as Fleet Street for decades.
42:04 Speaker 04 Fleet Street being where, like, all the papers were printed.
42:07 Speaker 05 Have you heard of this?
42:09 Speaker 03 Yeah. I don't know who this is.
42:11 Speaker 05 Have you heard this piece of gossip?
42:12 Speaker 04 No, I don't know who this is.
42:15 Speaker 05 She's an esteemed...
42:20 Speaker 05 And she apparently had a sexual predilection.
42:25 Speaker 04 Predilection?
42:26 Speaker 05 For like, taking a shit during the act. Um, and, and apparently once on a glass table.
42:38 Speaker 05 That's what I've heard. That's what I've heard.
42:43 Speaker 04 Just a couple of questions?
42:44 Speaker 05 Yes.
42:48 Speaker 04 When you say taking a shit during the act?
42:50 Speaker 05 Yeah, like on someone's chest, rather than when she's having her thorough plough.
42:56 Speaker 03 It's so weird, because I genuinely heard a very similar thing about.
43:01 Speaker 05 Maybe they were having sex together.
43:02 Speaker 03 Honestly, carbon copy.
43:04 Speaker 05 Really?
43:04 Speaker 03 Yeah.
43:05 Speaker 05 That's so interesting.
43:06 Speaker 04 That's very like, um.
43:07 Speaker 05 I can totally see it of.
43:09 Speaker 03 I heard a rumor that on his birthday, every year, he gets his people to find the four closest looking likes.
43:18 Speaker 03 And then, on his birthday, they get dropped on the four corners of an island off the coast of South America. He gets parachuted into the middle of it, and he's got his birthday weekend to find them and fuck them.
43:32 Speaker 05 Now that, that's a reality TV show.
43:34 Speaker 03 I have heard that.
43:35 Speaker 05 Yes.
43:40 Speaker 04 That's the end of today's session, Elizabeth. Uh, how have you found it?
43:43 Speaker 05 It's been great. It's been so much fun.
43:45 Speaker 04 You've been fucking great.
43:46 Speaker 05 I have.
43:47 Speaker 04 Really, really enjoyed that. I hope you've taken something from this episode.
43:50 Speaker 05 So much.
43:51 Speaker 04 But if you haven't, we're gonna give you something to actually take with you. Um, every client gets a badge to remind them of the, the arc.
44:00 Speaker 05 Oh, I can't wait.
44:01 Speaker 04 That they've been through today. Um, what have we gone for for the badge?
44:06 Speaker 03 We usually go with something to do with the, the session, the diagnosis.
44:09 Speaker 04 That makes sense.
44:09 Speaker 03 We've actually stepped out of that, and we've just talked about you being here with us. Best guest ever.
44:16 Speaker 05 Oh!
44:16 Speaker 04 Wow! Wow!
44:19 Speaker 05 Thank you so much.
44:20 Speaker 04 This is huge.
44:22 Speaker 05 Oh my gosh, I feel like I'm getting an MBE.
44:24 Speaker 04 Huge.
44:25 Speaker 03 That is for you.
44:25 Speaker 05 Thank you so much.
44:28 Speaker 04 That's really.
44:29 Speaker 05 That's so lovely.
44:31 Speaker 04 What if our other guests actually watch our show, though?
44:33 Speaker 05 Take that, Stephen Fry.
44:34 Speaker 03 It's the first time it's ever happened.
44:38 Speaker 04 Elizabeth Day, everybody. Thank you. Be gone.
44:41 Speaker 05 Thank you.
44:41 Speaker 04 Be gone, leave.
44:42 Speaker 05 Thank you.
44:43 Speaker 04 Leave. Just leave. If you want to join the doctor's waiting list, then please subscribe to our YouTube channel and follow us on Instagram, at We'll See You Now Show. Remember, unless it's not clear enough already, I'm not a real doctor. If you need any professional help, you'll find a link to great support services on our Instagram. I've been Joe Marler and this has been Joe Marler. We'll see you now and I'll see you next time. Bye bye.
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