Pod Insights Joe Marler Will See You Now How To Stop Feeling Stressed: The Katherine Ryan Method About this episode Katherine Ryan arrives at Joe’s office with one bold claim: she doesn’t get stressed.
Joe is immediately sceptical, especially once they start unpacking the realities of family life, with them both sharing the chaos of raising four children and juggling a packed household.
From there, the conversation explores Katherine’s mindset more broadly: how she’s stayed so calm under pressure, whether she’s always been this way, and how her approach to life has evolved since her early days in comedy, when nerves were very real.
That naturally leads into a wider discussion about ageing, energy, and what actually helps you stay feeling “younger” - something Joe is very keen to understand for both professional and personal reasons.
The episode closes with an honest look at what stresses the people around them most, revealing that no one is quite as calm as they seem.
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1:00 Speaker 01 Ugh, I hate Mondays.
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1:30 Speaker 03 Your mum.
1:31 Speaker 05 Careful.
1:32 Speaker 03 What about your mum?
1:34 Speaker 05 Well, you got to meet her today.
1:36 Speaker 03 I didn't think it would ever happen.
1:38 Speaker 05 I didn't think it would happen, and then suddenly, I mean, what a debacle. Basically, she'd locked herself out, came, had no, well, basically needed a spare key, so then came...
1:48 Speaker 03 Why have you got a spare key?
1:49 Speaker 05 Well, it's my family home. It's my home.
1:51 Speaker 03 You don't live there anymore, do you?
1:53 Speaker 05 I don't live there anymore, but you still need a key for your home to get in.
1:55 Speaker 03 No way.
1:57 Speaker 05 Why?
1:57 Speaker 03 Is that what you do?
1:58 Speaker 05 So when your kids leave, fly the nest, they won't have a house key anymore?
2:02 Speaker 03 Nope.
2:03 Speaker 05 You're joking.
2:05 Speaker 03 They're at, as soon as they're...
2:08 Speaker 03 Yeah, as soon as they've decided to leave.
2:09 Speaker 05 Hmm.
2:10 Speaker 03 All the best to you. Like, they've grown up, they've flown the nest, yeah?
2:14 Speaker 05 Yes, yes.
2:15 Speaker 03 Hey, right, it's, uh, we finally get some time together.
2:18 Speaker 05 Yes.
2:18 Speaker 03 Like, me and my wife.
2:19 Speaker 05 Yes.
2:19 Speaker 03 It's like, whoa, anal on the fucking kitchen floor.
2:22 Speaker 05 Yes.
2:23 Speaker 03 I don't want the kids walking in on that.
2:25 Speaker 05 No, gosh, no, I mean, I don't want anyone walking, I don't really want our podcast listeners walking onto that in a, you know, in audio format, but they have.
2:32 Speaker 03 I'll give you a different one.
2:33 Speaker 05 No, no, no, it's good, it's good, it's good, it's good.
2:36 Speaker 03 No, the kids, so the kids have flown the nest.
2:38 Speaker 05 Yeah.
2:39 Speaker 03 That's me and Daisy time now.
2:41 Speaker 05 Oh, you're saying in case you want your anal on the kitchen floor?
2:43 Speaker 03 Ah, well played, really well played. Yeah, good.
2:48 Speaker 05 Oh.
2:48 Speaker 03 You know, that's me and Daisy time, we're back together, if we wanna, if we wanna walk around the kitchen naked.
2:55 Speaker 05 Oh.
2:55 Speaker 03 You know, have dinner in the butt.
2:58 Speaker 05 Dinner in the butt?
3:01 Speaker 03 Dinner in the butt. I meant dinner in the butt.
3:03 Speaker 05 I think what's happened is.
3:04 Speaker 03 I meant dinner in the butt.
3:05 Speaker 05 There's a few ideas, dinner in the butt, dinner butt naked, and also maybe dinner in the bath, I think we're all swimming around your head, but you got so excited at the thought of being able to do any of them, that all of them combined. And you end up eating dinner out of someone's arse.
3:17 Speaker 03 That is.
3:17 Speaker 05 And that is, that is what's happened, that's happening. That's what's had to happen in the end.
3:23 Speaker 03 I wouldn't have had all that.
3:24 Speaker 05 Dinner in the butt, oh, dinner in the butt.
3:27 Speaker 03 And I wouldn't be able to do that if my kids still had keys to my house, so that's why it confuses me.
3:32 Speaker 05 I was, I was, it was a hill I was gonna die on, but I don't want the keys to anyone's house anymore. I don't even want the keys to my own house anymore if it means I have to walk in, eating dinner in the butt.
3:42 Speaker 03 You got, you kept.
3:44 Speaker 05 We're going out for dinner, we're staying in, we're eating in tonight.
3:47 Speaker 03 Oh.
3:51 Speaker 05 We're about to meet a titan of the comedy game.
3:54 Speaker 03 Yeah.
3:54 Speaker 05 An incredible comedian.
3:55 Speaker 03 Yeah.
3:56 Speaker 05 We're excited to have, we've been trying to get her in the doctor's office for a while.
4:00 Speaker 03 Yeah.
4:00 Speaker 05 It's Katherine Ryan.
4:01 Speaker 03 Katherine Ryan. What do we know about her so far?
4:04 Speaker 05 Well, we know, uh.
4:06 Speaker 03 Canadian.
4:07 Speaker 05 She's Canadian, yeah.
4:08 Speaker 03 I always thought she was American.
4:10 Speaker 05 I think that's a, I think that's a common misconception, but she's very much Canadian. What do you know about Canada?
4:17 Speaker 03 Oh, see, can you...
4:19 Speaker 05 That's American, as in country. It's got the longest coastline in the world, there's one.
4:24 Speaker 03 Maple leaves, maple syrup.
4:26 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
4:28 Speaker 03 Niagara Falls.
4:31 Speaker 05 The producer's written here, "There are more moose than people." Comma, "in some regions of the country."
4:39 Speaker 05 Which is a fact of two halves, that. It's a fact of two halves. In the first half, you get very excited. In the second half, you think, "Well, that could apply to anything, anywhere." Have you met Catherine before?
4:49 Speaker 03 We did Who Wants to be a Millionaire together, but not together. I went on and then she came on.
4:54 Speaker 05 Oh, wow.
4:55 Speaker 03 Both walked away with £64,000.
4:57 Speaker 05 Right, you did exactly the same level. You both got the same level. When I worked on The Chase as a question writer, my boss told me that he actually made his entrance into the quizzing world on Who Wants to be a Millionaire. Also went out on £64,000 and his question was, "On which continent is the aubergine native to?" Is it Asia, Africa, South America, or Europe?
5:23 Speaker 03 From South America.
5:28 Speaker 05 Asia.
5:29 Speaker 03 What?
5:29 Speaker 05 Asia.
5:30 Speaker 03 You never get an Asian dish with aubergine in it.
5:33 Speaker 05 Baba Ganoush, brother.
5:36 Speaker 05 Middle Eastern.
5:37 Speaker 03 Baba Ganoush is a dish?
5:38 Speaker 05 Baba Ganoush is a dish, yeah.
5:39 Speaker 03 I thought that was like a saying from... That was like, "Oh, Baba Ganoush." Saying.
5:46 Speaker 05 What would Baba Ganoush mean?
5:48 Speaker 03 I don't know, but it's...
5:49 Speaker 05 As in, like, "C'est la vie."
5:51 Speaker 03 Yeah, Baba Ganoush.
5:53 Speaker 05 That's the way the cookie crumbles.
5:54 Speaker 03 Hey, we got a bit of Baba Ganoush about him.
5:55 Speaker 05 Oh, it's a bit of chutney about him.
5:58 Speaker 03 Yeah, there we go.
5:59 Speaker 05 He's got a bit of Baba Ganoush.
6:00 Speaker 03 Ah, check out his Baba Ganoush.
6:01 Speaker 05 Our next guest, Katherine Ryan, is full of Baba Ganoush.
6:04 Speaker 03 Baba Ganoush.
6:05 Speaker 05 She is funny, she is exciting, she is charismatic. And she's with Janet right now.
6:11 Speaker 03 Right, let's get her in. Let's not put her through that any longer. Janet, please could you send in the wonderful Katherine Ryan? Thank you.
6:23 Speaker 03 Katherine Ryan, everybody!
6:27 Speaker 06 Hi, hello!
6:29 Speaker 03 Welcome.
6:30 Speaker 06 Hello, Doctor.
6:31 Speaker 03 How are you?
6:32 Speaker 06 I'm well, fetching secretary you got over there in J-money.
6:36 Speaker 03 J-money?
6:37 Speaker 06 Mmm.
6:37 Speaker 03 You've labelled her J-money?
6:39 Speaker 06 She can twerk.
6:40 Speaker 03 Yep.
6:40 Speaker 06 For days.
6:41 Speaker 03 For days.
6:42 Speaker 06 So that was a great...
6:43 Speaker 03 You got on well with her, did you?
6:44 Speaker 06 Mm-hmm.
6:45 Speaker 03 Well, this isn't the G-money that you just described, this is my...
6:49 Speaker 05 Well, also J-money.
6:51 Speaker 03 Are you?
6:51 Speaker 05 Jake.
6:52 Speaker 06 Jake.
6:52 Speaker 03 No, I know, but you can't be the same name as Janet!
6:55 Speaker 05 Yeah, no, I'm just Jake, but so excited to meet you Catherine.
6:58 Speaker 06 Nice to meet you. Jake, J-money, Joe, all Js.
7:02 Speaker 05 My gosh.
7:03 Speaker 06 Oh, flies in the studio.
7:05 Speaker 03 It's a fucking big fly as well, isn't it?
7:08 Speaker 06 One of my tits has gone off.
7:12 Speaker 06 It happens.
7:14 Speaker 03 What do you mean by "off"? As in, "off"?
7:16 Speaker 06 It's old and I gotta get it out, but I just haven't found the time in the diary.
7:21 Speaker 03 Just one old tit?
7:22 Speaker 06 One. The other one's hanging in there, but the flies, when they circle, I know it's time.
7:28 Speaker 03 Well Catherine, first things first, as we do with all our clients, patients, guests, is ask who they're wearing.
7:38 Speaker 06 Ooh!
7:38 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's what we ask.
7:39 Speaker 06 Well, I wore a rugby shirt today. Because of you, out of respect.
7:44 Speaker 03 Because of me?
7:44 Speaker 06 Yeah, and your origins.
7:45 Speaker 03 So you made the effort to do that?
7:48 Speaker 06 Yes.
7:48 Speaker 03 You don't just wear this normally?
7:50 Speaker 06 Mmm, no, but then I've mixed it up with some, like, lacy shorts and I have quite, don't take this the wrong way, quite, like, big legs, but I felt empowered by you because you have, like, big legs, but you use yours, you know, for good.
8:08 Speaker 05 Whereas you use yours for evil.
8:10 Speaker 06 Yeah.
8:12 Speaker 03 Well, I think you look great. Thank you for making the effort with the rugby shirt. It's really...
8:17 Speaker 06 Correct.
8:17 Speaker 03 Although, you made the effort for me, but not Jake, what would you have worn to make the effort for Jake?
8:22 Speaker 05 She can't come as Mr Bean, can she?
8:24 Speaker 03 Fair enough.
8:25 Speaker 06 I don't know if he can come as Mr Bean. Not if there are any mirrors about.
8:30 Speaker 03 Catherine, full name?
8:32 Speaker 06 Catherine Louise Ryan.
8:33 Speaker 03 Nice, nice name. Star sign?
8:36 Speaker 06 Cancer.
8:37 Speaker 03 Oh, you're a Cancerian?
8:38 Speaker 06 Yes.
8:39 Speaker 03 Good, okay. So, do you believe in all that?
8:44 Speaker 06 Officially, no, even though I should be like a crystals, numerology, astrology, middle-class white woman. Like, that's very much, I used to speak to Lou Sanders' healer before she joined a sex cult. And it's difficult not to subscribe to all that astrology, but then some of it seems true. Like, cancerians are meant to be, I don't know if it's different between the genders, but I know that I'm supposed to be soft and quite sensitive and very nurturing and motherly, but then I can snap. And that is true of me. I have like a little bit of a temper, but I use it rarely.
9:22 Speaker 03 Okay. Occupation?
9:24 Speaker 06 Comedian.
9:26 Speaker 03 Good. See, this, I think you're the second, only the second, that is actually admitted to being a comedian, even though we've had a plethora of comedians on, haven't we?
9:37 Speaker 05 A lot of comedians, but most of them say, "Oh, I don't know. I guess maybe kind of..."
9:41 Speaker 03 "Oh, I'm not sure."
9:42 Speaker 06 Do you know, they've been burned at customs. Border control agents don't like to hear a comedian, so if you're dealing with them, you say writer, because as soon as they see something ridiculous like that, the questions start and they assume you have drugs, which we do.
9:57 Speaker 03 If you weren't a comedian, what job would you have had?
10:05 Speaker 06 It would have gone a terrible direction. I think that I would be the matriarch of a failing Hooters restaurant chain. And I would still subscribe.
10:17 Speaker 03 What is Hooters?
10:18 Speaker 06 Oh, it's like an owl sanctuary where I used to work. It's a restaurant. It is a restaurant. So, yeah, fair question, especially in the UK. People think that it is a place where ladies get naked. It isn't at all. It's a restaurant that serves chicken, beer, sports on TV. It's a sports bar. Kids eat free on weekends.
10:40 Speaker 03 Sounds dreamy.
10:41 Speaker 06 It's dreamy. And then we wear these vests with an owl on it, with big eyes, and then it's like a tacky, satirical, you know, women there are for decoration and that is problematic now, but at the time, I really loved it.
10:53 Speaker 03 What helps you relax?
10:57 Speaker 06 Alcohol.
10:59 Speaker 06 But I'm pretty relaxed anyway.
11:02 Speaker 03 Hmm. Ketamine.
11:04 Speaker 06 Oh, do you know I've never taken Class A drugs ever in my life?
11:07 Speaker 03 I think cats be.
11:09 Speaker 06 Oh, good to know. In my-
11:11 Speaker 03 Friend told me.
11:13 Speaker 06 Is your friend a horse?
11:16 Speaker 06 In my elderly era, I will take MDMA. That's the plan. But I'm too like important right now in my household to be sidetracked.
11:26 Speaker 03 Give us your top three Canadians.
11:28 Speaker 06 Celine Dion, number one. Shania Twain, number two. Let me think about number three.
11:33 Speaker 03 Shania Twain's Canadian?
11:35 Speaker 06 Big time. Number three is tricky. I'll go another musician, Alanis Morissette. We have so many good musicians, actually. Oh, Avril Lavigne, Canadian.
11:44 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah.
11:46 Speaker 06 He was a skater boy. She said, "See you later, boy." He wasn't good enough for her. Now he's a superstar. Blame it on his guitar. Did your pretty face see? I took offense to that song because she was like a skater. Were you growing up in the big skater moment? Probably not over here.
12:06 Speaker 03 Yeah, Tony Hawk.
12:07 Speaker 06 Yeah, but being a skater when I was growing up was so cool. But I wasn't. I was quite square. I was like the mean, popular girl she was singing about. And she was threatening to take my man.
12:18 Speaker 03 And you took offense to that?
12:20 Speaker 06 Yeah.
12:20 Speaker 03 You were like, "This is aimed at me."
12:22 Speaker 06 Yeah, I took it very personally. It's like a really small town. I was like, "She knows me. She's singing."
12:29 Speaker 03 What makes you stressed?
12:32 Speaker 06 Nothing.
12:34 Speaker 03 Nutter?
12:35 Speaker 06 No.
12:36 Speaker 03 Not a thing?
12:38 Speaker 06 No.
12:39 Speaker 03 Nothing?
12:39 Speaker 06 I don't think so. Not now. I was stressed maybe when I was younger.
12:43 Speaker 03 Hmm.
12:44 Speaker 06 And then I just ran out of stress.
12:46 Speaker 03 You ran out? Like it's like a bottle, like you just ran out?
12:49 Speaker 06 I think it must be.
12:50 Speaker 03 Describe your personality as an animal.
12:53 Speaker 06 Oh. Hmm.
12:58 Speaker 06 Maybe like a, maybe like a panda?
13:00 Speaker 03 Panda?
13:01 Speaker 06 Because I'm pretty slow.
13:06 Speaker 06 I could eat all day. I was really cute as a baby. And then if you put me in captivity, like in close quarters with someone, I will eventually breed.
13:23 Speaker 03 Jake, with that in mind, analysing those answers we've received from Catherine, I feel the sticking point for me was when she said, "Oh, I don't get stressed."
13:36 Speaker 05 She doesn't get stressed, it matches actually.
13:37 Speaker 03 She doesn't get stressed and it was almost, it wasn't said in a way of
13:43 Speaker 03 trying to show, like show, it wasn't.
13:44 Speaker 05 Whoa, whoa, whoa, no one was showing off about it.
13:46 Speaker 03 It was very convincing.
13:47 Speaker 05 It was just, it was just the hard, cold reality of the situation. And it ties in, if you have a look in the research doc, with some of the research we found.
13:55 Speaker 03 I want to read the quote here I have, and it's from you. "I'm incapable of feeling anxious or nervous." That's a quote from you.
14:03 Speaker 06 Yeah. And it is a bit sad.
14:08 Speaker 03 It's a bit like Cameron Diaz in The Holiday.
14:11 Speaker 06 Oh, yeah.
14:12 Speaker 03 You know, when she can't cry, she's like trying to force herself to cry.
14:16 Speaker 06 Luckily, I can still cry.
14:17 Speaker 03 Okay.
14:18 Speaker 06 So I've still got that.
14:18 Speaker 03 Okay.
14:19 Speaker 06 I mean medically, no. But inside, yeah, I can feel, I can emote.
14:26 Speaker 03 Okay.
14:26 Speaker 06 But, um, no, I used to feel nervous, especially when I was starting stand-up. I could feel really nervous and my stomach would flip and I would actually like be sick when I was starting out because it was so scary. And then I would do bigger gigs and those would make me feel really nervous because it was something new. And now I almost just feel like nothing.
14:47 Speaker 03 This is fascinating.
14:48 Speaker 06 Yeah.
14:48 Speaker 03 I really, I really think this should be our topic.
14:51 Speaker 06 Okay.
14:52 Speaker 03 To explore.
14:52 Speaker 06 Yes, please.
14:53 Speaker 03 Dive a little bit deeper to see where this calm exterior has come from.
14:59 Speaker 06 Yes.
15:00 Speaker 03 Are you happy with that? Would you like to accept our, our assessment?
15:05 Speaker 06 Yes, I'm a big fan of the show and I think you've assessed loads of my friends and colleagues.
15:11 Speaker 03 And they
15:11 Speaker 06 Really well.
15:12 Speaker 03 They've given good reviews from our.
15:13 Speaker 06 They're, they're living better lives.
15:15 Speaker 03 Let's get into it then, Jake. Let's do this.
15:17 Speaker 05 Let's do it.
15:17 Speaker 03 Let's do this, Catherine.
15:18 Speaker 06 Yes.
15:20 Speaker 03 Speaking of staying calm. When others wouldn't. You've got four kids.
15:26 Speaker 06 Yeah.
15:26 Speaker 03 I've got four kids.
15:27 Speaker 06 Yeah.
15:28 Speaker 03 How the fuck do you stay calm? Like, because I definitely don't.
15:32 Speaker 06 No.
15:32 Speaker 03 It's fucking carnage. Or is it carnage for you at home and you're just like, yeah?
15:37 Speaker 06 It is sometimes carnage. We're really nice to our kids, too. I saw a child being absolutely throttled by whom I'm assuming was his grandmother in the parking lot of an ice cream farm the other day. And I think he might have deserved it, but she was like...
15:53 Speaker 06 You know, I don't want to quote this woman, I don't want to put him on blast, but she was flipping out in the way that a grandmother is allowed to do. And then this generation, we have to be so nice to our kids. So, there are times that I would love, love to be like, "Shut up!" But I just don't.
16:08 Speaker 03 But you just don't.
16:09 Speaker 05 What's the means of discipline in the house?
16:12 Speaker 06 Thank you.
16:13 Speaker 05 Oh, really?
16:13 Speaker 06 Don't know.
16:14 Speaker 05 Oh, right.
16:14 Speaker 06 We haven't figured that out. Well, the kids are very small. I think they're too young to be disciplined at the minute. They're four, three, and six months.
16:22 Speaker 05 Whoa.
16:23 Speaker 06 And then even the 16-year-old doesn't really get disciplined because we grew up like sisters in a way, since I was such a slag.
16:33 Speaker 06 So, to make up for that, I'm just really nice to that one. And everybody just walks all over me. I'm like, "Well, what are we gonna do?" And my husband's the same. We just look at each other like... But I think also because the house is calm, the kids are a little bit more calm than most kids. My husband and I are nice to each other. We're quiet, so the kids are pretty good.
16:56 Speaker 06 And then we're also just too tired to fight back. So, maybe that's part of it. How old are your kids now?
17:02 Speaker 03 12, 10, 6, and 4.
17:03 Speaker 06 Yeah, that's wild.
17:05 Speaker 03 Yeah.
17:05 Speaker 06 So, can I ask you, how hands-on would you say you are? Because presumably, you've had to travel a lot for work. And you're still a great... I know you're infamously a great dad.
17:15 Speaker 03 How do you know that?
17:17 Speaker 06 Oh, just got to see you out with the kids.
17:19 Speaker 03 Oh, yes. We have seen each other.
17:21 Speaker 05 Well, where?
17:23 Speaker 03 We saw each other.
17:24 Speaker 06 At Hooters.
17:29 Speaker 03 We did um.
17:31 Speaker 05 Kids eat free on Sunday.
17:34 Speaker 03 We did Blue Water.
17:35 Speaker 06 Yeah.
17:36 Speaker 03 Was it Blue Water?
17:37 Speaker 06 It was.
17:37 Speaker 03 It was Blue Water with Danny Dyer. We've also had on the show.
17:42 Speaker 05 No way.
17:42 Speaker 03 Yeah, with the kids, the Bluey thing.
17:45 Speaker 05 Right.
17:45 Speaker 03 Bluey at Blue Water.
17:47 Speaker 06 Yeah.
17:48 Speaker 05 Kids loved it.
17:48 Speaker 06 It was great. And the fact that you sacrificed your Saturday to take them to that speaks volumes.
17:54 Speaker 03 Well, I didn't sacrifice for Saturday, I just.
17:56 Speaker 06 It's a busy time to go to a mall.
17:58 Speaker 03 It was carnage.
17:59 Speaker 06 It was crazy.
18:00 Speaker 03 Yeah.
18:00 Speaker 06 But you were calm, I was calm.
18:02 Speaker 03 We were calm.
18:03 Speaker 06 How many nights in a row would you say when you're, when you're like touring and competing, training camp? I don't know about sports.
18:10 Speaker 03 Hmm.
18:12 Speaker 06 How long would you spend away from the kids, like maximum, would you say?
18:15 Speaker 03 About half the year.
18:16 Speaker 06 Yeah.
18:17 Speaker 03 I'd be away for like eight weeks at a time.
18:19 Speaker 06 So I think reintegration is really stressful.
18:23 Speaker 03 Yeah.
18:24 Speaker 06 If I'm with the kids all the time, then I'm, you know, they've beat me, I don't fight back. But if I have a day away, reintegration takes a little bit of time to recalibrate and that is stressful.
18:36 Speaker 03 You touched on your eldest daughter.
18:38 Speaker 06 Hmm.
18:39 Speaker 03 Who you, you were like, I didn't really discipline because we basically grew up together as sisters.
18:43 Speaker 06 Yeah.
18:43 Speaker 03 You said, because you were a.
18:45 Speaker 06 Slag.
18:46 Speaker 03 Yeah, I, I don't know how I should say that word. I've not heard that you're a slag.
18:52 Speaker 06 From anyone else?
18:53 Speaker 03 No.
18:54 Speaker 06 No one on the team? The other teams?
18:56 Speaker 05 I didn't say anything.
18:57 Speaker 06 Oh, yeah.
18:57 Speaker 03 No. Jake.
18:58 Speaker 06 Janet?
18:59 Speaker 03 Janet didn't call you slag. She said other things.
19:02 Speaker 06 Okay.
19:03 Speaker 03 But no slag here. It's fine. So it was just you two for a long period of time?
19:09 Speaker 06 Yeah.
19:09 Speaker 03 How did, how was it then?
19:14 Speaker 03 You two on your own to then a house full of six, you're like, there's six of you now.
19:18 Speaker 06 You know, and I hate to say it because this will be brought up in therapy sessions down the line by my kids. But I think my life was maybe better as a single mom. It was. Really straightforward. Do you know what I mean? And I love the kids and they're here now and I love my husband also, but like. When it's just two gals living it up. That was easy. That was really nice. We were poor. Still prefer it. We. Because I knew that everything. Was me. I just did it. I didn't. I was never counting on anyone else. I was never comparing myself to anyone else. I didn't have to collaborate with anyone else.
19:59 Speaker 06 I didn't have to be like outperformed by anyone else because the kids, they really love my husband.
20:05 Speaker 03 Ah.
20:05 Speaker 06 That's hurtful.
20:06 Speaker 03 Oh.
20:07 Speaker 05 Joe, do you feel that you bring the stresses of life into? Your parenting?
20:11 Speaker 03 Definitely.
20:12 Speaker 05 Really?
20:12 Speaker 03 Definitely. It gets to, mate, I'll look at my week on a Sunday night. Look at my planner that we've got worked out and then, or on a Sunday morning. And I'll start spinning out. And it'll be, I'll be spinning out. I'll be really short with the kids.
20:27 Speaker 06 Ah.
20:28 Speaker 03 I'll be like pacing about the place. I won't be able to sit down. Just all this like anxiety and stress starts coming out and taking it out on them or Daisy. And immediately she'll be like, hmm, busy week ahead. It's not our fault that you've said yes to everything. Like, don't take it on us, sort of thing. Like, you need to sort of work out how you deal with that. And I want to be better at doing that.
20:48 Speaker 06 Oh, okay.
20:49 Speaker 03 I think I need to spend a day in your household.
20:51 Speaker 06 Yeah.
20:52 Speaker 03 Yeah.
20:53 Speaker 06 Yeah, it's nuts. Uh, I suppose I have a little bit of that, Joe, sometimes, but I don't take it out on the kids really. I'll just take it out on my husband. And that's allowed because of the gender dynamic. So if you said I just take it out on Daisy, that'd be really bad. But I could be like, I just take it out on my husband. And people look at him and he's nice and he's strong and they go, he'll be fine. So maybe you need a husband.
21:14 Speaker 05 Take it out on me if you want.
21:15 Speaker 06 Oh, yeah, take it out on Daisy.
21:16 Speaker 05 Take it out on me, I'm all round.
21:18 Speaker 03 I think you'd report that to HR, wouldn't you?
21:20 Speaker 05 Well, Janet's HR and she's not gonna do anything about it.
21:23 Speaker 03 Yeah, she's too busy with her OnlyFans, to be fair.
21:25 Speaker 05 Exactly. She's got a lot on.
21:26 Speaker 03 Trying to think if I've ever met anyone else like you.
21:31 Speaker 03 As horizontal as you are.
21:33 Speaker 06 Hmm.
21:34 Speaker 03 Nothing seems to faze you.
21:36 Speaker 06 No, I know.
21:37 Speaker 03 Jamal Maddox, he, nothing really phased him.
21:39 Speaker 05 Yeah.
21:40 Speaker 03 Do you know what I mean? He was the most laid back. Nothing stresses you. The whole thing of thi- we were also, mate, we need to put this to the test. I don't know where we're gonna go here, Jake.
21:53 Speaker 06 Well, it is bad, though. Like, I would love to be stressed again because if you could sort that out for me, doctor, I worry that I'm like defective, that there's something wrong, that I'm, I'm never, because all that's exciting and I've lost, like, I don't dance anymore.
22:08 Speaker 03 That's why.
22:09 Speaker 06 I don't know if I could. I just don't. I'll go to concerts. Like, I went to see Beyonce and I just sat and enjoyed it as though it was like a serious play.
22:17 Speaker 03 That sounds great to me. I'd, I'd have no issues with that whatsoever. Fucking dancing is no, no.
22:22 Speaker 06 You and I should go to concerts together.
22:23 Speaker 03 No one should ever be allowed to dance, unless you're watching them.
22:27 Speaker 06 Thanks, Joe.
22:27 Speaker 03 Yeah.
22:28 Speaker 06 Because I'm shamed by the people that I attend these concerts with. And like, I feel like I'm a bad time and I ruin stuff.
22:34 Speaker 03 No. No, we should go see Beyonce together.
22:36 Speaker 06 Okay. Poor Beyonce looks out in the crowd like, that white couple with the big legs hate me.
22:43 Speaker 03 They refuse to dance.
22:48 Speaker 03 I wanna touch on a serious point.
22:51 Speaker 06 Okay.
22:51 Speaker 03 That you s- made earlier, I think. You said, um, I used to get nervous, first starting out, I used to get nervous and I could feel that energy and that anxiety and then it would like make me feel alive almost to go out there. And I was used to think that the nerves, or still think, nerves are a good thing. It means you care. You're nervous because you're like, I wanna do a good job. I wanna go out there and give my, do you know what I mean? And it's then up to you to develop ways of changing those nerves into fight or flight. You either go out there and fight and give it your all, or you just fuck off and watch Beyonce on your own without dancing.
23:26 Speaker 06 Yeah.
23:27 Speaker 03 You know?
23:27 Speaker 06 Yeah.
23:28 Speaker 03 Um, but I thi- I, I got less and less nervous the older I got.
23:33 Speaker 06 Mm-hmm.
23:34 Speaker 03 And the more I did the same thing every week because I became more confident with it and more think it, and it's.
23:42 Speaker 03 But also became, yeah, I did start becoming a bit numb to it. I went, oh,
23:47 Speaker 06 Yeah.
23:47 Speaker 03 I'm done. I'm done with this. And that made me feel sad. I was like, oh, I want to start feeling again.
23:53 Speaker 06 Mm hmm.
23:54 Speaker 03 What was the point? Was there anything that actually happened to you that you were like, oh, this is what's rocked the boat and makes me feel, not want to feel anxious or stressed about anything?
24:05 Speaker 06 Well, career wise, there were milestones that I wanted to hit. And then, like you say, the repetition of it, you learn, your brain learns how to separate nervous from excited. And then nervous melts away. And I'm still excited. I feel very grateful to do my job. I still feel, oh, that'll be fun. That'll be great. I get excitement. But the nervous, really scary bit of it is dead. Um, but then also, when my daughter was young and things were actually hard, I would never forget how it feels when you have real stress, stress that you might, you know, be homeless, stress that you might face some sort of like terrible ending, stress that your children might not be okay. Also, I hate to take it to like a dark place, but at my age, now I do have people who've lost
24:50 Speaker 06 like their spouse, or God forbid, they've had a sick child or something. So I just think at one point in my life, I really separated, like, nothing matters very much and very little matters at all.
25:03 Speaker 03 Wow. We like that, don't we?
25:05 Speaker 05 Yeah, really like that.
25:08 Speaker 06 And if you go into everything, I still want to do well. I want to perform well. And but I know that if my children are safe and well, I'm already very lucky. I wake up every day like a dog, just being like, oh, it's all still here.
25:24 Speaker 06 Ugh, I hate Mondays.
25:26 Speaker 02 King's Hawaiian cinnamon swirl bite?
25:28 Speaker 06 Uh, Taylor Hansen? Sure, I'll try one. Mmm.
25:34 Speaker 07 Hey, let's get back to work, please.
25:35 Speaker 06 But Taylor Hansen's making my day way better with these new soft and swirly King's Hawaiian cinnamon bites.
25:40 Speaker 07 Taylor Hansen? Nice. Try one. Mmm.
25:47 Speaker 06 Kidding Hawaiian cinnamon bites. There's nothing like it.
25:55 Speaker 03 Let's move on to your podcast, shall we?
25:56 Speaker 06 Okay.
25:57 Speaker 03 What's My Age Again?
25:58 Speaker 06 They wanted to call that podcast How to Stay Young. And I didn't like that because I just was like, it's a bit, no disrespect to loose women, but it's a bit, and I think with me fronting it, I'm the issue. People would think that it's a podcast about plastic surgery or something like that. It's not.
26:14 Speaker 03 So where, so What My Age Again, where did the inspiration for it come from?
26:19 Speaker 06 Just like the format of the podcast, really. So we invite a guest, an interesting person in sport or like comedian or an actor, a musician, and we test their blood and they're willing to give us their actual blood. And then we send it off to a company called Glycan Age and they, they look at the cells and they see how old their body is on a cellular level. So how efficient their cells are, how young their cells behave. And then we interview that guest about like career and stress and family and find out what might be contributing to a very high or very low biological age.
26:51 Speaker 03 You got tested yourself?
26:52 Speaker 06 I did.
26:54 Speaker 03 And it says here that your biological age was?
26:58 Speaker 06 Seventy seven.
26:59 Speaker 03 Seventy seven?
27:00 Speaker 06 Yeah.
27:01 Speaker 03 That's, that's, that's high?
27:03 Speaker 06 I know.
27:03 Speaker 03 Because you're not that, are you?
27:05 Speaker 06 Not quite.
27:06 Speaker 03 No, you're not, you're not seventy seven.
27:07 Speaker 06 My mom cried when she listened to the podcast.
27:09 Speaker 03 She cried?
27:10 Speaker 06 Yeah.
27:10 Speaker 03 For you?
27:11 Speaker 06 She thought that it meant that I had like days to live.
27:15 Speaker 06 Yeah, my sister called me, she's like, mom's crying because of your podcast.
27:21 Speaker 03 That's how it made your mom feel, but how did it make you feel, Corinne?
27:24 Speaker 06 I didn't care.
27:25 Speaker 03 You didn't care?
27:26 Speaker 06 No, I felt like, oh, I, I anticipated that because I do have a lot of inflammation because I have lupus. I can't even get life insurance, which sucks. I know. And I'm like a really healthy person. I'm never sick. I've never missed a day of work for being sick, but they don't like that I've had cancer twice. I have lupus. I have celiac disease. I have all these kids, like I live a tricky life. I haven't had like that, well, melanoma is not the worst cancer, but I've had that twice and they don't like it on the insurance forms.
27:57 Speaker 03 Fucking hell.
27:58 Speaker 06 So I've reverted to Plan B, don't die.
28:02 Speaker 03 That's what my daughter says.
28:03 Speaker 06 Yeah.
28:04 Speaker 03 She's four.
28:05 Speaker 06 Oh, God.
28:06 Speaker 03 She gave us the advice and she says it all the time now.
28:09 Speaker 06 Don't die.
28:10 Speaker 03 She can. We went swimming. It was the first time we all went swimming together. It was a hideout pool. And before we all got in, she said, guys, remember, be careful not to die. And we're like, that is so valid. Like, it's a really important point she makes. And now she says it every time we go out. Be careful we don't die. So it's quite morbid going out for the day with you, Pixie.
28:30 Speaker 06 And I don't want to make it a bit more morbid, but what color is Pixie's swimsuit?
28:35 Speaker 03 What?
28:35 Speaker 06 I just take every opportunity I can to tell people that it should be like a bright ass neon, like, yellow or orange. And it's a public service announcement that no child should have like a neutral or blue swimsuit because it makes them invisible in the water. Sorry.
28:50 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah. Wow.
28:51 Speaker 06 Yeah, I know.
28:52 Speaker 03 Yeah, you have turned that, but thank you for the advice yet again.
28:54 Speaker 06 No problem.
28:55 Speaker 03 I've just got a litany.
28:56 Speaker 06 Sorry.
28:57 Speaker 03 Of.
28:57 Speaker 06 I have to say it every time it comes up.
28:59 Speaker 03 Just another thing. Get the, yeah, yeah, thank you.
29:01 Speaker 06 Because it might save one life if I say it.
29:03 Speaker 03 Oh, I like it. It's good. Um, what's your relationship with aging then? Like, what's your, because you've been open about having a facelift.
29:11 Speaker 06 Yeah.
29:12 Speaker 03 And then for me, I'm like, well, surely that's a stress. You're stressed about getting old, otherwise you wouldn't be doing something about it.
29:22 Speaker 06 I don't think so. I think, you know, like, if you go to dinner, it's not because you're stressed about being hungry. You just want to go to dinner because it's a nice time. I am getting older. I'm also someone who sells tickets that people buy to come see me in real life. I feel like I owe them the respect of like a glamorous experience. And I want to be funny and I want to have a great show, but they're also looking at me like from lower. And with all the babies that I had, my husband's so sexy and I just got like fat and thin and fat and thin and fat and thin in my neck. My neck just started to go and I was like, I'm gonna sort this. I wasn't stressed about it.
30:00 Speaker 06 It was just like, you know, got to do this today, pop out to the shops for milk, take the dog to the groomer, better get a facelift.
30:09 Speaker 03 What, um, how do you feel about that? Like, your daughter's sixteen, seventeen?
30:15 Speaker 06 Six, almost seventeen.
30:18 Speaker 03 How do you feel about that in a world of guy? For young girls now that you go, yeah, it's fine. I'm getting facelift, boob job, have this done, have that done. Are you conscious that what if your daughter turn around early doors and was like, I want to get this done. I want to get that done.
30:33 Speaker 06 I would be really toxic. Actually, I think I would not stop her because you have to be collaborative with that age group. They're going to do what they want to do anyway. Me doing it actually makes it less desirable because I'm not cool. Anything I do, she thinks is really cringe and she's not one who I think is ever going to do that. But if she did, I would make sure she went to the best doctor. I would advise her on like, please don't get on a plane and like, go do it on the cheap.
31:00 Speaker 03 Stay away from Turkey.
31:01 Speaker 06 Yeah, well, there are some good doctors there. There's a guy.
31:04 Speaker 03 Stay away from the shit ones in Turkey.
31:05 Speaker 06 Yeah, and that's the trouble. Once there's a language barrier and you don't know. I've even heard the good doctors subbing out. Once you're asleep and then some trainee in denim comes along and he's doing your surgery.
31:19 Speaker 03 I like the detail of denim.
31:20 Speaker 06 Well, I just think wearing denim into the operating room is really.
31:25 Speaker 03 It's not the done thing, is it?
31:27 Speaker 06 Thank you, Joe.
31:28 Speaker 03 It's not the done thing. You do not wear denim.
31:30 Speaker 06 You can tell who's a real doctor.
31:31 Speaker 03 You do not wear denim in the surgery.
31:36 Speaker 06 But yeah, I just think social media and like what her peers are doing are so much more influential than what I am doing. And I know there are people, more than young people, but women my own age have said, oh, I feel really, you know, let down by that, that you went and did that because I thought we were all in this together and we were feminists. We were going to get old together. No, I never said that I was going to do that.
32:02 Speaker 03 Well, you can, well, you're still getting old.
32:04 Speaker 06 You're on your own, fatty.
32:08 Speaker 03 You're still, you're still getting old together. Just some of you look better than others.
32:11 Speaker 06 Not better. Sometimes a facelift does not look better. I just do whatever I want to do. And I think like, I can't fix culture. Sure, I wish everybody felt really authentic and amazing and peaceful and at home in their own skin. And you shouldn't really be risking your life. It's a small risk with a good doctor, but general anesthetic. I mean, you shouldn't really be doing that. But I wanted to.
32:35 Speaker 03 Do you do anything else to outrun aging? Everyone's all about this biohacking and NMN and all this shit, take all that lot. Is that something you're into as well?
32:46 Speaker 06 Not on the level of Brian Johnson, Canadian.
32:50 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah, he's Canadian as well.
32:52 Speaker 06 Yeah.
32:52 Speaker 03 Every time, it's like they're Canadian.
32:55 Speaker 06 But I have learned on the podcast since that there are easy things you can do. Olive oil is really, really good for you. That's why people on the Mediterranean diet thrive.
33:05 Speaker 03 It's called a blue.
33:07 Speaker 06 Blue zone.
33:07 Speaker 03 Blue zone, sardine.
33:10 Speaker 06 Thank you.
33:10 Speaker 03 Unbelievable. Where there's somewhere in Japan as well, or is it Japan?
33:15 Speaker 06 Probably Japan, yeah, they don't die.
33:17 Speaker 03 But sardine, I looked into that, they've got like the most centurions.
33:22 Speaker 06 Yeah.
33:23 Speaker 03 And you go, why? And then, well, it's lifestyle, they don't get stressed, they don't get like, they're just all laid back. They're having siestas and all sorts and then olive oil, their diet. And you go, oh, that's so nice. Immediately, if we get these answers, oh, yeah, that would be great. We can have like a nicer life here. Come back to our world and then we go fuck it all off and then we just work, work, work, work. What for? Why we do, why do we do that?
33:47 Speaker 06 I don't know, we do have quite a toxic culture. Overdoing it, even in athletics, is really bad for your biological age, especially if you're a woman. So we've had dames on the show, we've had Jill Scott on the show and any elite athlete woman, her biological age is slightly older than her chronological one.
34:08 Speaker 05 Because Joe's got this very, very weird thing where so many guests come on and no one can guess his age. He sort of has an ageless face, but then he also at the same time always gets other people's ages completely wrong. There was like, there was a thing with Pete Wicks recently that.
34:23 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah.
34:24 Speaker 05 I don't know, people can't stop sharing where they both thought each other were forty seven, I think.
34:30 Speaker 03 Yeah.
34:31 Speaker 05 But then you, but then you put your foot in it as well and you sort of told Maisie Adams, you're like, God, you've been around for ages, haven't you? You couldn't believe it, she was thirty one, I think.
34:38 Speaker 03 Do you not do that on your pod?
34:40 Speaker 06 No.
34:41 Speaker 03 But your, your pod is, is based around, like it's in the title, it's based around age. Surely you look at your guest and you go.
34:49 Speaker 03 Thirty-one.
34:50 Speaker 06 No.
34:50 Speaker 03 And then you get the, no?
34:52 Speaker 06 I have it written down because guessing, as you've learned, is a dangerous game.
34:56 Speaker 05 Good, good, but that's how to run it.
34:57 Speaker 03 Why can't I get it written down?
35:00 Speaker 05 Well, we've got a little game.
35:02 Speaker 06 Yeah.
35:02 Speaker 05 Uh, where we're gonna see if you guys can guess some celeb ages of celebrities who famously are kind of ageless, or hard to spot at least. So you're gonna use your imagination, picture them ahead, you guess their age. It's, I would say, in the, in the, on the sort of spectrum of games, it's on the more basic side.
35:18 Speaker 06 Sounds like a fun game, Jake.
35:19 Speaker 05 Thanks so much, Catherine. Paul Rudd.
35:22 Speaker 06 Oh.
35:23 Speaker 05 Where we going? What we doing? He kind of feels ageless.
35:26 Speaker 03 Around for ages, though, hasn't he?
35:27 Speaker 06 Yeah.
35:28 Speaker 03 That's what I base it off. I've seen him loads of things. He's like fifty-four.
35:32 Speaker 06 Yeah, I think he's probably fifty-one, but he looks great.
35:36 Speaker 05 It's one-nil-two. Joe, he's fifty-seven.
35:39 Speaker 03 No way is he fifty-seven.
35:40 Speaker 06 Wow, Paul Rudd.
35:42 Speaker 05 So good.
35:43 Speaker 03 Sixty, that's wild.
35:45 Speaker 05 Um, right, second one, Timothy Chalamet.
35:49 Speaker 06 Young.
35:50 Speaker 05 Could be twelve, could be forty.
35:52 Speaker 06 Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a tough one.
35:54 Speaker 03 He's fucking nineteen.
35:55 Speaker 06 I think he's thirty-two.
35:57 Speaker 03 No.
35:58 Speaker 06 Maybe older, like, yeah.
36:00 Speaker 05 One goes to Katherine Ryan, he's thirty.
36:02 Speaker 06 Hmm.
36:03 Speaker 05 He's thirty. Dame, Judi Dench.
36:05 Speaker 03 Fucking ancient.
36:07 Speaker 06 Oh.
36:08 Speaker 03 Ancient.
36:09 Speaker 06 I'd say.
36:09 Speaker 03 Hundred-and-eight.
36:10 Speaker 06 Eighty-six.
36:11 Speaker 03 Ninety-four.
36:13 Speaker 06 Wow.
36:14 Speaker 03 How old is she?
36:15 Speaker 05 Sort of, you're both very close, she's ninety-one years old.
36:19 Speaker 06 So you win.
36:20 Speaker 05 Ramesh Ranganathan, where do we go? Where do you wanna go?
36:23 Speaker 03 He's been a teacher before, hasn't he?
36:25 Speaker 05 Yeah.
36:25 Speaker 03 Like, he must be old.
36:28 Speaker 05 I feel like on a cellular level, he's gotta be doing good as well.
36:32 Speaker 03 He's got glasses.
36:33 Speaker 05 Looks after himself.
36:34 Speaker 06 I will tell you, Ramesh has been a guest on my podcast. So I should remember what it was, but his biological age is a lot younger as a vegan than his chronological age. And I think his chronological age was forty-eight. I think.
36:48 Speaker 03 I was gonna put him mid to late fifties.
36:51 Speaker 06 What?
36:51 Speaker 03 Fifty, fifty-three.
36:54 Speaker 05 He's 48. Being a vegan really will bring your biological age down?
37:00 Speaker 06 Well, it's not the exclusion of all meat per se, because fish has really nice oils and like chickens fine, a little bit of meat's fine. Processed anything is really bad for inflammation, so any processed deli meat, bad. But also it takes up space that you could be eating plants. So ideally you eat 30 plants a week.
37:21 Speaker 05 Wow.
37:21 Speaker 06 For your biological age. 30 is a lot.
37:24 Speaker 05 It's two all, this is the decider. Huge. Justin Trudeau.
37:28 Speaker 06 52?
37:29 Speaker 03 The decider this. It's the decider of a quiz that you don't get any prize at the end. So it sort of matters not.
37:37 Speaker 05 Well, it matters for the edit because it will be a nice little bit of business. It'll be, it'll cut down really nicely, this. It really will.
37:45 Speaker 03 So you're going with 52 then Catherine?
37:47 Speaker 06 But I, I'll tell you Joe, I really don't know.
37:49 Speaker 03 He's 47.
37:55 Speaker 05 He is. And the point goes to the expert in the room. He's 54. The point goes to Katherine Ryan. Katherine Ryan wins the game!
38:05 Speaker 03 I think there was always gonna be one win, wasn't there? I've got a really bad track record. No, I've got a bad track record.
38:10 Speaker 05 You do have a bad track record, yeah?
38:11 Speaker 03 I really, like, when I first met you.
38:13 Speaker 05 How old do you think I was when you met me?
38:15 Speaker 03 At least in your 40s.
38:16 Speaker 05 Really?
38:17 Speaker 03 Yeah.
38:17 Speaker 05 Genuinely?
38:18 Speaker 03 Yeah, and now you've got that suit on.
38:20 Speaker 05 12.
38:21 Speaker 03 It's mid to late 40s.
38:24 Speaker 05 I did my metabolic age at the gym, so you sort of...
38:27 Speaker 03 Metabolic age?
38:28 Speaker 05 I think it's a similar thing to what Catherine does. Metabolic, I think.
38:32 Speaker 03 Metabolic?
38:33 Speaker 05 Yeah, I think it means how your cells metabolize. But you're just, you're just stood there and like, you just hold on to the, the machine.
38:40 Speaker 03 That doesn't sound that accurate.
38:41 Speaker 05 It's not as accurate as a blood test, I don't think, but I, it was about 45.
38:46 Speaker 06 Whoa!
38:47 Speaker 05 Yeah. I'm 32. The whoa, the whoa wasn't great. That didn't, I thought, I thought a lot of people were a bit older.
38:55 Speaker 06 It just feels more sinister coming from the gym. You know? Like if we tested your blood and you've got a higher one, I'd ask you about like, stress and, you know, your sleeping and stuff, but the gym, that hurt.
39:13 Speaker 03 Right, we've all asked our loved ones. Um, what makes them stressed? And they've replied with voice notes. Okay, so I've got mine on mine. You've asked Violet, haven't you?
39:24 Speaker 06 Yes.
39:25 Speaker 03 Okay, and she was, she was all right with it.
39:26 Speaker 06 Happy to oblige.
39:27 Speaker 03 Okay, right. Um, let's hear their problems and see if maybe, just maybe, you share some of these anxieties yourself.
39:37 Speaker 06 Okay.
39:37 Speaker 03 And the great thing about this, they're all different ages.
39:40 Speaker 05 They are.
39:40 Speaker 03 Yeah, yours is, you're...
39:42 Speaker 05 Well, she's, she's, she's my mum, yeah.
39:44 Speaker 03 Your mum?
39:45 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah.
39:46 Speaker 03 Yours is your daughter.
39:48 Speaker 06 My oldest daughter, yep.
39:49 Speaker 03 And mine is my youngest daughter. So let's, we've got a whole variety of what affects different ages at different stages of their life.
39:58 Speaker 06 That'll be cool.
39:58 Speaker 03 I think it's important you go first. Please share first.
40:01 Speaker 06 Okay, yes, I will.
40:05 Speaker 07 One thing that's definitely stressing me out right now is the thought of taking my driving test. It's coming up very soon and since I'm born very late in the year, all my friends have already done it. They're all doing their theories, all doing their lessons. Some of my friends have actually already passed. And like, it's so stressful because I'm hearing all these horror stories about driving instructors and yeah, that's really stressing me out recently.
40:25 Speaker 03 Wow.
40:25 Speaker 05 What stories? First of all, incredible diction.
40:27 Speaker 03 Yes.
40:28 Speaker 05 Every single consonant is pronounced so impeccably. Wow.
40:33 Speaker 03 No Canadian accent whatsoever.
40:35 Speaker 06 No, that my kids are British. And it throws people that they don't sound like me.
40:41 Speaker 03 But you and Bobby aren't British?
40:42 Speaker 06 No.
40:43 Speaker 03 At all?
40:43 Speaker 06 But...
40:44 Speaker 03 Do you put, I've heard, I've heard your British voice, actually. You don't really put it on a decent one.
40:49 Speaker 06 If I had one, it'd be like this. I'd be like, I'm gorgeous. Like a glamour model.
40:55 Speaker 03 Yeah.
40:56 Speaker 06 I talk like this.
40:57 Speaker 03 Yeah.
40:58 Speaker 06 That's my favourite one. My daughter...
41:02 Speaker 06 Don't talk like that.
41:03 Speaker 03 No, she doesn't, no. She's stressed about her driving test.
41:06 Speaker 06 Yeah, she, I think we'll see who has got ADHD and who doesn't. Because when it comes to schoolwork, when it comes to cleaning the bathrooms, when it comes to folding her laundry, no focus. But this driving test, I've seen the revision.
41:20 Speaker 03 Wow.
41:20 Speaker 06 I've seen the effort go in. She's chosen a car that she wants us to get for her. She's organized, like, fast track. So this stress is good for her. I think it's motivating.
41:32 Speaker 03 Yes.
41:33 Speaker 06 And like you described, my, like, shoddy parenting. I haven't really prepared her for stress in life. She's not stressed in any other area.
41:41 Speaker 05 Is she finding the stress uncomfortable? Or is she finding it just like a motivating feeling? That means I need, I feel the stress which is driving me to do this?
41:51 Speaker 06 Yeah, I think both. I think she's quite fearful of not passing. Because it's a status thing, isn't it?
41:59 Speaker 03 It sounds like a FOMO thing as well, like she said about her friends.
42:02 Speaker 06 Yeah.
42:03 Speaker 03 They're all passing around and she's like, oh, they're all gonna be going here, going there. And it's like, surely they'll pick you up if they're going there as well?
42:09 Speaker 06 Actually, I won't let her drive with the new drivers, which is a point of contention. She wanted to go out tomorrow with a girl who got her license like yesterday. And I said, no.
42:19 Speaker 03 Because that stresses you out?
42:21 Speaker 06 It doesn't stress me, I just.
42:22 Speaker 03 Fucking hell, Catherine.
42:24 Speaker 05 Nearly, nearly found one there.
42:26 Speaker 03 I thought I had it.
42:27 Speaker 05 We nearly had it with the safety of her child, but not quite.
42:32 Speaker 05 Even that, it was just, oh, no, not stressed about it, just, you know.
42:36 Speaker 06 I think if I allowed it to happen.
42:40 Speaker 06 I'm not stressed about it because I can prevent it from happening. But if I allowed it to happen, then I think, yes, I would be stressed. Yep, yes.
42:48 Speaker 03 Nearly, very close. So I feel like Marie Curie.
42:53 Speaker 05 Wow, yes, it's the same level of discovery, isn't it?
42:57 Speaker 06 You know what, Joe? Thank you, and you're right, I am gonna let my daughter get in the car with just anyone.
43:03 Speaker 03 No!
43:04 Speaker 06 So I can feel that rush again. That's it, that's it.
43:07 Speaker 03 No.
43:08 Speaker 06 My daughter doing dangerous things is really what fires me up. You found it. And, I mean, she will be grateful. The list of things she wants to do, Joe.
43:19 Speaker 03 Jake, I think we should go to you next.
43:22 Speaker 05 So.
43:23 Speaker 03 Is it your mum?
43:24 Speaker 05 It's my mum.
43:25 Speaker 03 Yeah.
43:25 Speaker 05 So we've heard from Catherine's daughter Violet, who is stressed about her driving test. Now my mum, slightly older, this is how stress manifests, maybe at a different stage in life.
43:38 Speaker 06 So I feel that, you know, my life's pretty stressful because of the age that I've got to. So I've got, you know, children who are now grown up and adults. But while they've been growing up, I've realised, I haven't realised actually, that my parents are actually getting older.
43:55 Speaker 03 Oh.
43:57 Speaker 06 You know, dad is 95, mum's 88. So I'm actually looking after them. So I'm really in the middle. I'm one of what they call the sandwich generation.
44:06 Speaker 03 Sandwich?
44:07 Speaker 05 I haven't heard that before.
44:07 Speaker 06 To let go of my children who are self-sufficient, but my parents not so much, I'm having to look after them.
44:13 Speaker 03 It's a lot of stress, isn't it? That is, she said the sandwich generation.
44:17 Speaker 05 I've never heard that before.
44:18 Speaker 06 But isn't every generation the sandwich generation?
44:21 Speaker 05 You're always sandwiched between two generations, aren't you?
44:23 Speaker 06 Right, so I hate that our parents are now like, I'm the sandwich generation. I'm like, what, because you have kids and parents? What are you talking about?
44:34 Speaker 03 That's a really valid point.
44:35 Speaker 05 Yeah, so there you go, mum. The advice from Katherine Ryan is, what are you talking about?
44:38 Speaker 06 What are they talking about?
44:39 Speaker 05 What's he talking about? But interesting, isn't it? Or like the level of stress, the different types of things you're worrying about as soon as you get a little bit older become.
44:49 Speaker 06 But also the menopause. I don't know if your mum's like discussing that whole world with you, Jake.
44:55 Speaker 03 Have you had a big chat with your mum about this or?
44:56 Speaker 05 She does make a fun joke about saving on the heating bill because she's always.
45:01 Speaker 06 There you go, that's fun.
45:02 Speaker 03 Good, have you probed any more about her? Been there like supportive and be like.
45:06 Speaker 05 Yeah, I haven't been there enough actually, no.
45:07 Speaker 03 No.
45:08 Speaker 05 No.
45:08 Speaker 06 Because women used to be put into asylums.
45:13 Speaker 03 Yes.
45:13 Speaker 06 They'd be like, oh, mum's gone nuts. But it was just this menopause, which I have not like dabbled in yet. But I'm learning about it. Even my generation, we're the first ones that they actually talk about it to us and I'm scared. I think I'll be stressed then.
45:27 Speaker 03 I think we should all learn about it.
45:31 Speaker 03 Well, I've got two daughters and a wife. I need to learn about this shit.
45:35 Speaker 06 You'll be dead when your daughters have menopause, probably.
45:38 Speaker 03 No, I won't.
45:38 Speaker 06 They'll be the sandwich generation.
45:40 Speaker 03 No, I won't. I'm doing NMN. I'm doing fucking everything. What does Brian Johnson do?
45:45 Speaker 05 Compares his erection duration with his son.
45:47 Speaker 03 Actually, no, I won't then. I'd rather be dead. Um, okay, so let's go with our youngest.
45:53 Speaker 06 Oh, I can't wait for Pixie.
45:55 Speaker 03 Member. Here we go. Let's see what stresses Pixie out.
46:03 Speaker 07 Rex.
46:05 Speaker 07 What makes you feel happy?
46:10 Speaker 05 Playing with her toys makes her happy.
46:14 Speaker 07 And then, so then what makes you feel stressed?
46:21 Speaker 07 I don't know.
46:24 Speaker 03 Listening to that, it made me realise, I went, she doesn't, she doesn't feel stressed. It just, it just made me go, ah, at what point does
46:33 Speaker 03 it get, in your mum's life, that it changes from Pixies?
46:36 Speaker 06 Yeah.
46:37 Speaker 03 Then it gets to your daughter, who then goes, "Oh, I'm stressed about"
46:41 Speaker 06 Yeah.
46:41 Speaker 03 "driving tests, I wanna be part of it." And it becomes a bigger thing because of the her social group around her, the pressures of that, her not missing out on it all and that expectation. Then your mum, and it's like,
46:55 Speaker 03 why can't we just be more like Catherine? And approach all these stress things horizontally?
47:02 Speaker 05 Yeah, but I guess there, is it, is it, is it anything to do with when you have people relying on you and depending on you? Because even very calm and collected Katherine Ryan said, you know, early on in her career, or when Violet was younger, that the only real time you said you were feeling stressed was when it was like, "Oh, I need to make sure that Violet's all right when maybe we aren't doing as well as we are now." Maybe, is, is it that?
47:25 Speaker 06 That's what I'm hearing, personal responsibility. So Violet is growing into a phase of life where she has personal responsibility to like start driving and have that autonomy. And if she doesn't pass, she can't argue her way out of it, she hasn't got a licence. And then Jake, your mother's got so much personal responsibility. And it just sounds like Pixie and I are shouldering kind of similar expectations. I just like playing with my toys.
47:55 Speaker 03 Catherine, that brings our session to an end. Thank you so much for coming in today. I want to firstly apologise and say sorry, we couldn't really give you that much help.
48:09 Speaker 03 I wish you all the best in your endeavours in life. And also, I thank you for sharing big parts of your life. And I think I'm going to leave here wanting to be more like you. And I'm going to take that approach back home with me and my parenting. Just be a bit more horizontal, a bit more chilled out.
48:31 Speaker 06 Yeah.
48:32 Speaker 03 A bit calmer with it all. I love it, thank you. Before you leave, we give every client, guest, patient, a badge.
48:41 Speaker 06 Wow.
48:42 Speaker 03 To remind them of the journey they've been on. Successful or not successful. Okay, what have we gone for, Jake?
48:48 Speaker 05 Today's badge says, "No Drama Queen."
48:51 Speaker 06 Yeah.
48:52 Speaker 03 No Drama Queen.
48:54 Speaker 06 I like that.
48:55 Speaker 03 You happy with that?
48:56 Speaker 06 Yes, I also would have accepted, "Real pain for my sham friends, champagne for my real friends."
49:05 Speaker 03 I don't think it would have fit on the badge. But I do prefer yours.
49:08 Speaker 06 I love it.
49:09 Speaker 03 You get a lollipop as well.
49:10 Speaker 06 Whoa, can I have a lolly for real?
49:13 Speaker 03 Yeah.
49:13 Speaker 06 Thank you. Joe, I love this badge and I've loved chatting to you and Jake today. Janet is an icon.
49:20 Speaker 03 Well, lucky for you, you get to see her again. Janet's going to come in and collect you. Katherine Ryan, everybody!
49:29 Speaker 03 Goodbye, thank you Catherine, thank you.
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