Pod Insights Joe Marler Will See You Now Cat Burns: Joe Gets ROASTED... and Why Men Give Her the ICK About this episode From the castle to the clinic, Celeb Traitors star Cat Burns faces Dr Joe in a session where it's anyone's guess who's really getting therapised.
Joe tackles her people-pleasing habits while daring Cat to roast him 'in the name of science'. Progress is certainly made...
And because Joe can't resist, he enlists Cat's songwriting expertise to help craft a love song for his wife. The outcome is... delightfully unpredictable.
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1:30 Speaker 03 This episode of Joe Marlowe Will See You Now is brought to you by Giacomo. Style for every man, made simple.
1:38 Speaker 04 Your is funny.
1:43 Speaker 03 Even this one.
1:44 Speaker 04 Cauliflower's fluffy.
1:48 Speaker 03 What gives you the ick?
1:50 Speaker 04 Men.
1:51 Speaker 03 All men?
1:52 Speaker 04 Love men that are written by women.
1:57 Speaker 03 I've been trying to write a song and I was wondering if I could run some lyrics past you. I know I can act like a bit of a prat.
2:10 Speaker 03 I think you're out of time. I don't think I am, thank you.
2:15 Speaker 05 That's mad to call Kat the problem here.
2:19 Speaker 04 You've got to think, Joe.
2:21 Speaker 03 Got to think about what?
2:21 Speaker 04 You can't let people play you.
2:23 Speaker 05 I knew you were the one that was gonna get therapized today.
2:26 Speaker 03 Okay, fine. Next.
2:29 Speaker 03 Yes!
2:33 Speaker 03 Hello, welcome to my office. This is Joe Marler with See You Now with me, Dr. Joe Marler. This is a show where I ask celebrities some probing questions that may lead to uncomfortable truths. With me as always is my beloved assistant, Jake. Jake, how are you?
2:51 Speaker 05 I'm good. I feel closer to you than I ever have today.
2:54 Speaker 03 Why? You're the same distance we always at.
2:56 Speaker 05 Emotionally close to you, Joe. Emotionally close.
2:58 Speaker 03 Why?
2:58 Speaker 05 Because of our journey in together.
3:01 Speaker 03 Oh, you're telling people about this, are you?
3:02 Speaker 05 Yeah. Bumped into Joe on the tube today.
3:04 Speaker 03 You bumped into me, did you?
3:05 Speaker 05 Well, I don't know. I literally did bump into you. The tube, the doors were about to close and I was running and I was like, okay, well I'm on! And then the momentum just carried me, so I sort of slid into your arms. I was like, "All right daddy, I mean boss, I mean Joe." And you were like, "Get your hands off me now."
3:18 Speaker 03 What did you think the people on that tube were thinking in that moment? Because it wasn't... We've obviously just started working together.
3:26 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
3:27 Speaker 03 I picture that it wasn't overly clear that we were mates or an item or should be doing that.
3:36 Speaker 05 It was quite rum-comic. I just, the momentum of running for the tube and I slid and I could see it happening. I was sort of, I mean, I was just nestled, nestled into you, I mean, for quite some time, sort of resting on the
3:47 Speaker 03 Yeah, you were.
3:47 Speaker 05 The bare leg
3:49 Speaker 03 Yeah.
3:49 Speaker 05 coming out of your shorts. And then when we got off, not when we got
3:55 Speaker 05 when we got, when we got off the tube.
3:58 Speaker 05 When we got off the tube, do you remember the guy who did say something, who had been watching the whole thing?
4:02 Speaker 03 Oh, as we got off.
4:03 Speaker 05 And he said, uh, he said, he said to you, he went, "If you're who I think you are, you did very well."
4:12 Speaker 05 Sort of looking around being, and I was like, "Does that happen a lot?" It's like, and you were like, "Not like that, he doesn't know." "If you're, if you're who I think you are, you did very well indeed."
4:25 Speaker 05 Joe, we've got a very exciting guest. It's our first musical guest.
4:31 Speaker 05 Yes, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, about that indeed.
4:35 Speaker 05 Oh, it's a clue, of course, yeah, yeah, it is. Cat Burns.
4:39 Speaker 03 Would you like me to be the cat?
4:44 Speaker 05 It's Chinese George Galloway!
4:50 Speaker 03 Would you like me to be the cat?
4:52 Speaker 05 Did you do this to her on Traitors? Did you do that a lot to her? "Hey, I'm Cat, what's your name?"
4:59 Speaker 03 "Would you like me to be the cat?"
5:01 Speaker 05 Are you, are you, are you a musical guy? You're a musical guy? We often, uh, well, little BTS info for everyone. There's always a bit of music playing before we start the show and it's always normally your choice and it's very eclectic, fun and good.
5:14 Speaker 03 It's quite niche, it's like Paul Simon, Adele, Lady Smith, Blackman Barzoo.
5:19 Speaker 05 Did you put Adele in the list of niche? You did, you? I'm just, I'm rewinding, I can't rewind, it's real long.
5:25 Speaker 03 I don't actually know what niche means. What does niche mean?
5:28 Speaker 05 You do know what it means? You've just been caught out on putting... Niche, a niche, I guess, means lesser known, doesn't it? It's not, it's not mainstream.
5:34 Speaker 03 I thought niche meant like, narrow. As in, I don't have an eclectic mix. As in, I thought eclectic meant like a wide...
5:43 Speaker 05 I think you do.
5:44 Speaker 03 ...breadth of music likes. I don't, I'll just put the same Adele album and the same Graceland album on and just over and over and over.
5:52 Speaker 05 Yeah.
5:52 Speaker 03 And actually, Cat Burns has now become, since meeting her, hearing her music, she's now become part of that small mix of music that I just play in the gym.
6:04 Speaker 05 What's the song that gets you in the mood?
6:06 Speaker 03 "Pack up your things and go, yeah."
6:11 Speaker 05 What's that get you in the mood for? Holiday?
6:21 Speaker 05 I feel like Kat Burns is quite wise, is that right? I mean, you know her, what's her vibe?
6:27 Speaker 03 I would describe her as wise beyond her years. She's what, 25?
6:34 Speaker 05 Yeah.
6:35 Speaker 03 And she speaks and acts like she's 45.
6:41 Speaker 05 Wow.
6:42 Speaker 03 Wow, that's 20 years.
6:43 Speaker 05 Yeah, maybe we should be getting advice from her.
6:47 Speaker 03 Well.
6:47 Speaker 05 If there's anything on your mind.
6:48 Speaker 03 But the premise of the show is...
6:50 Speaker 05 Yes, sorry, yeah.
6:51 Speaker 03 We give her advice. I'm the doctor, you're the doctor's assistant. We help impart knowledge on them to lead a better life.
7:00 Speaker 05 Yeah.
7:01 Speaker 03 Do you stand that we can't do that anymore?
7:02 Speaker 05 No, no, no, no, we're gonna obviously try our best, but I'm just sort of quite aware that she's coming in wiser than both of us. I just, I don't know how you, I don't watch your tactics.
7:10 Speaker 03 Well, why don't we act wiser?
7:11 Speaker 05 Fake it till you make it.
7:13 Speaker 03 How would you act wiser? Give me wise Jake right now.
7:20 Speaker 05 What? Quite non-verbal, isn't it?
7:21 Speaker 03 Yeah. Say something full of wisdom.
7:26 Speaker 05 There was a Buddhist quote I've heard once, which said, "He who speaks will never know, but he who really knows will never speak." The loudest person in the room, and when the one shouting saying they know all this wisdom, is very unlikely to actually have the wisdom. But the person who sits quietly, maybe they have the wisdom.
7:49 Speaker 03 That doesn't sound like a Buddhist has said that.
7:55 Speaker 03 Sounds like you've ad libbed.
7:57 Speaker 05 Yeah, maybe I have, actually.
8:00 Speaker 03 It's not a direct quote, is it?
8:01 Speaker 05 It was written somewhere.
8:03 Speaker 03 I think you should shorten it, like, "This too shall pass."
8:07 Speaker 05 "This too shall pass," yeah, beautiful. Well, at least we know the tone we're going in with Kat. I believe she's actually sat with Janet in reception right now.
8:14 Speaker 03 Are we ready to speak to Kat? Do you think we're wise enough to impart some knowledge onto Kat?
8:20 Speaker 05 I think we're certainly in a good mood.
8:21 Speaker 03 Okay.
8:22 Speaker 05 That's all you can ask for.
8:24 Speaker 03 Shall we get her in?
8:24 Speaker 05 Let's do it.
8:28 Speaker 03 Janet? Yes, please can you bring Kat Burns in? Thank you.
8:35 Speaker 03 Let's do this, Jake.
8:41 Speaker 03 Hi Cat.
8:42 Speaker 04 Hi Mr Marla.
8:44 Speaker 03 You're still Mr Marla-ing me?
8:45 Speaker 04 Yeah.
8:47 Speaker 04 Hi, Dr Joe Marler.
8:50 Speaker 03 How are you?
8:51 Speaker 04 I'm really good to tell you.
8:56 Speaker 03 Um, I was trying to tell people that, um, when I met you.
8:59 Speaker 04 Mm-hmm.
9:00 Speaker 03 It was incredible.
9:01 Speaker 04 Yeah.
9:02 Speaker 03 But ever since then, you've always called me either Mr Marla or my full name of Joe Marler.
9:07 Speaker 04 Yeah.
9:08 Speaker 03 You've never called me Joe.
9:09 Speaker 04 No.
9:10 Speaker 03 Wha- what's that about?
9:12 Speaker 04 I don't like to call people by my name.
9:16 Speaker 03 At all?
9:17 Speaker 04 Well, I like, I like, I like to call you Joe Marler.
9:21 Speaker 03 Yeah.
9:21 Speaker 04 Mr Marla.
9:22 Speaker 03 Yeah.
9:24 Speaker 04 Or... Even a play on that.
9:28 Speaker 03 How would you play on that?
9:30 Speaker 04 Well, it's hard to see, Joe, there's not enough words. I mean, there's not enough, like, letters in Joe to play around with it. Does that make sense?
9:38 Speaker 03 Joseph?
9:40 Speaker 04 Joseph Molo. Like, I like to just, I like to, like, play around.
9:47 Speaker 03 Forgive me, there's someone else in my office and it's Jake.
9:50 Speaker 05 Hi Cat.
9:51 Speaker 03 Jake, this is Cat Burns.
9:52 Speaker 05 Pleased to meet you.
9:53 Speaker 04 Hello Jake.
9:54 Speaker 03 This is Jake, but what do you want to call him?
9:56 Speaker 04 Jakey.
9:57 Speaker 03 Jakey?
9:58 Speaker 04 Jackie.
9:59 Speaker 03 Jackie.
9:59 Speaker 04 Jackie.
10:00 Speaker 05 Jackie, oh yeah, I'm happy with that, I like that a lot.
10:03 Speaker 03 Do you like it if I call you Cat Burns?
10:06 Speaker 04 Yeah.
10:06 Speaker 03 Is Cat Burns your real name?
10:08 Speaker 04 Who knows?
10:09 Speaker 03 Ooh.
10:11 Speaker 04 Joking it, yeah.
10:15 Speaker 03 What we get all our guests to do is fill out an intake questionnaire.
10:18 Speaker 04 Okay.
10:20 Speaker 03 Occupation?
10:22 Speaker 04 Singer.
10:25 Speaker 03 Just singer?
10:26 Speaker 04 Singer.
10:29 Speaker 04 Star.
10:31 Speaker 03 Singer star?
10:32 Speaker 04 Yeah.
10:32 Speaker 03 I like it. Star sign?
10:34 Speaker 04 Gemini.
10:36 Speaker 03 Ooh.
10:37 Speaker 04 What are you?
10:39 Speaker 03 I think you can guess what I am.
10:41 Speaker 04 Scorpio.
10:42 Speaker 03 Why Scorpio?
10:43 Speaker 04 Aries.
10:44 Speaker 03 Why Aries?
10:45 Speaker 04 Fiery.
10:47 Speaker 03 What? That's not one.
10:48 Speaker 04 No, I'm saying you're fiery.
10:49 Speaker 03 Oh. No, I'm...
10:51 Speaker 04 Cancer.
10:51 Speaker 03 Hmm.
10:52 Speaker 04 Oh, emotional, are we?
10:57 Speaker 03 Your go-to breakup song?
10:59 Speaker 04 Oh, I know one. It's a really, really good song. Really good by this really cool artist called Cat Burns.
11:09 Speaker 04 I don't know if, I don't know if you've heard of, uh, it's called Go.
11:15 Speaker 03 Pack up your shit and go.
11:18 Speaker 04 Yeah.
11:20 Speaker 04 Yeah.
11:22 Speaker 04 Oh, you're changing the melody a bit.
11:23 Speaker 03 Am I?
11:26 Speaker 04 Oh, I'm not sure what that is.
11:29 Speaker 03 I actually really like that song.
11:31 Speaker 04 Thanks.
11:31 Speaker 03 Although I prefer James Blunt's Goodbye My Lover.
11:38 Speaker 03 Did you just say, who's that?
11:39 Speaker 04 No, I said, what's that?
11:41 Speaker 03 Okay. Who's Helen Mirren?
11:46 Speaker 04 Helen Mirren is a really, really great actress.
11:49 Speaker 03 What's she been in?
11:54 Speaker 04 An array of amazing films and shows.
11:59 Speaker 03 Great. Really well played.
12:00 Speaker 04 Yeah.
12:01 Speaker 03 What's on your algorithm?
12:04 Speaker 04 Random silly things. Memes, funny sounds.
12:09 Speaker 03 What sort of funny sounds?
12:12 Speaker 04 You know, the one I put, put with you when I saw you? The lie of the bitch on her slutty wardrobe?
12:20 Speaker 04 Those are the sounds that I get.
12:22 Speaker 03 I'd completely forgotten about that.
12:23 Speaker 04 Yeah.
12:24 Speaker 03 What the fuck were you doing to me then? You Gen Z fuck.
12:28 Speaker 04 Yep. I said, come on, let's, let's, let's do a little videos, but I'm not gonna tell you what I'm gonna put. And I knew what I was going to put.
12:35 Speaker 03 Why do people keep doing this to me?
12:36 Speaker 05 I did one to him earlier, was not happy.
12:39 Speaker 03 I thought he was asking me a genuine question. He was like, oh mate, what's your go-to McDonald's order? And I get passionate about my McDonald's order, could I fucking go for it?
12:47 Speaker 04 Okay.
12:48 Speaker 03 So I've reeled it off and then he's put it to a video that says, these are the things that Joe likes to put up his bum.
12:55 Speaker 04 Oh.
12:56 Speaker 05 Yeah. It's good stuff. He's going, he's going Big Mac, 20 Nuggets, Zinger Burger. Cheeseburger goes straight in, jupe.
13:03 Speaker 04 You've got to think, Joe.
13:05 Speaker 03 Got to think about what?
13:06 Speaker 04 You can't let people play you.
13:10 Speaker 03 I, I trust people.
13:12 Speaker 04 What about that?
13:12 Speaker 05 I knew you were the one that was gonna get therapized today. I knew it.
13:16 Speaker 04 Therapized.
13:18 Speaker 03 Okay, fine.
13:19 Speaker 04 Next.
13:22 Speaker 04 Yes!
13:25 Speaker 03 Do you consent to being analyzed by someone who is not a real doctor?
13:29 Speaker 04 Yep.
13:31 Speaker 03 The speed at which you said yes?
13:33 Speaker 04 I mean, I let myself be analyzed by TikTok every single day.
13:38 Speaker 03 Does that not scare you?
13:39 Speaker 04 No, I just sort of go, ah, guess this is me. And I just sort of take it in. So I'm happy for you to do the same.
13:45 Speaker 03 That's great. Well, if you mean that, can you just sign there for me, please?
13:48 Speaker 04 Alright then.
13:49 Speaker 03 Thank you.
13:53 Speaker 03 Just you two.
13:55 Speaker 05 Stitching you up.
13:55 Speaker 03 Really stitched me up today. Are you reading the rest of the?
13:58 Speaker 04 Sorry, no.
13:59 Speaker 03 Ts and Cs?
13:59 Speaker 04 No.
14:00 Speaker 03 And you've, you've signed it now?
14:02 Speaker 04 Oh.
14:06 Speaker 03 Here's something I think we can work on today.
14:10 Speaker 03 I just wanna fix you.
14:12 Speaker 04 Yep.
14:12 Speaker 03 Fix you. Guess I'm what they call a people, people, people. Pleaser, pleaser, pleaser.
14:22 Speaker 04 Yeah.
14:23 Speaker 03 You're a people pleaser, right?
14:24 Speaker 04 Recovering.
14:25 Speaker 03 So I think it's time that you stopped trying to please others and let someone help you.
14:32 Speaker 04 Bars.
14:34 Speaker 03 Bars.
14:35 Speaker 04 Bars.
14:36 Speaker 03 Bars.
14:37 Speaker 04 Bars.
14:38 Speaker 03 As in spitting bars?
14:39 Speaker 04 You were spitting bars.
14:41 Speaker 03 Damn right, I was spitting bars.
14:43 Speaker 04 Yeah.
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15:09 Speaker 05 I feel more and more I have this gesture done towards me.
15:13 Speaker 03 Is it unfair?
15:14 Speaker 05 Um, I'm getting bigger. Since I met you, I've been going gym.
15:18 Speaker 03 Have you?
15:19 Speaker 05 Yeah.
15:19 Speaker 03 Well, you haven't invited me.
15:20 Speaker 05 Well, I'm trying, I'm trying to get good at the exercises first and then I'm gonna invite you.
15:24 Speaker 03 What's your go-to exercise at the minute, then?
15:26 Speaker 05 Star jump.
15:29 Speaker 05 No, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing push, pull, leg, push, pull, leg.
15:32 Speaker 03 Well, that's your bro split, is it?
15:33 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
15:34 Speaker 03 Mate, that doesn't work.
15:35 Speaker 05 Does it not work?
15:36 Speaker 03 Nah.
15:36 Speaker 05 What should you, what should you do? Just do like a body part every day?
15:39 Speaker 03 No, I do Monday, push.
15:41 Speaker 05 Yep.
15:42 Speaker 03 Wednesday, pull, Friday, legs.
15:45 Speaker 05 What's the difference? So what's the difference between what you're doing and what I'm doing?
15:50 Speaker 03 There isn't a difference, it's just I do it better.
15:52 Speaker 05 Oh, right, that's why it's not gonna work for me.
15:54 Speaker 03 Yeah.
15:54 Speaker 05 I also find, I don't really know what to wear to the gym. I sort of wear like, um, I don't know, I wear sort of like plain white t-shirt. If I wear shorts, I feel exposed. If I wear tracksuit bottoms, I feel sort of quite, I don't know, hot. What do you, do you have like a gym outfit?
16:08 Speaker 03 Usually a vest that was originally a t-shirt.
16:12 Speaker 05 Oh, wow.
16:12 Speaker 03 So I've got a bit of a thing where I buy loads of t-shirts. I think the last count was a hundred and forty-one t-shirts. But when it comes to gym attire, I get t-shirts and then cut off the sleeves. Cause I wanna, I wanna look, you know.
16:28 Speaker 05 Yeah, you look like a rocker.
16:29 Speaker 03 I wanna look at myself in that mirror in the garage. You know, ten o'clock at night, where I've got a massive pump on.
16:36 Speaker 05 Yeah.
16:36 Speaker 03 Of my muscles.
16:37 Speaker 05 Of your muscles, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
16:38 Speaker 03 And, uh, just, you know, look the part.
16:41 Speaker 05 I love that. I love, I love to wear a vest where it doesn't look like I'm sort of like borrowing my boyfriend's clothes.
16:47 Speaker 03 Hmm.
16:47 Speaker 05 That'd be nice, wouldn't it?
16:48 Speaker 03 Yeah, it would.
16:49 Speaker 05 I'm a little bit worried.
16:50 Speaker 03 You've got a bit of earthworm gym about you, haven't you?
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17:18 Speaker 05 And my size.
17:18 Speaker 03 And tiny sizes.
17:19 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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18:32 Speaker 03 Kat, your career somewhat exploded unexpectedly, didn't it? What came first, the dream to be a singer? Or did you start with TikTok and go, I'll just start putting that out and then become a singer?
18:46 Speaker 04 The dream was singer first and then lockdown happened, so I started posting on TikTok for fun. And then the rest is history.
18:55 Speaker 03 Talk to me about how Go exploded on TikTok.
19:00 Speaker 04 May 2020, I'd tease Go. I'd just sing it on my windowsill. And people really liked it. And I was like, oh, okay, great. And then, uh, July 2020, I put it out.
19:15 Speaker 04 It like does okay. People hear it, they like it, but it didn't, it didn't, it wasn't life changing. A year and a half later, so at the end of 2021, going into 2022, all of a sudden, I start seeing people making videos to it online. And I still to this day don't really understand how. But it just kind of kept bubbling. So I kind of capitalized on that and I posted a video being like, what's going on? Why are people using the sound? And then it kept going up and up and up and up and up. And it just didn't stop. And then we got to number two in the charts. And did different remixes and that was the song that sort of changed everything.
19:55 Speaker 03 It was fucking huge.
19:56 Speaker 04 It was massive.
19:59 Speaker 03 But with that, did you then feel pressure? Because you went, I've had this massive viral hit.
20:04 Speaker 04 Yeah.
20:04 Speaker 03 It's everywhere.
20:05 Speaker 04 Yeah.
20:07 Speaker 03 But how do I follow that up?
20:09 Speaker 04 I think I would have had that if it, if it got to number one. If it got to number one and like went even crazy than it, even crazier than it did, I think I would have been like, whoa, but because it got to number two, I'm like, there is a world in which another song will do that. I hope. Fingers crossed.
20:27 Speaker 03 It gave you that challenge of actually, I've still got a chance to top this one.
20:32 Speaker 04 Exactly. In time, fingers crossed. Otherwise, I will be a one-hit wonder.
20:39 Speaker 03 Well, I've been trying to write a song.
20:40 Speaker 04 Mm-hmm.
20:41 Speaker 03 For my wife, who I love.
20:43 Speaker 04 Right.
20:44 Speaker 03 More than anything in the whole world.
20:45 Speaker 04 That's sweet.
20:46 Speaker 03 And I was wondering if I could run some lyrics past you.
20:51 Speaker 04 Yeah.
20:51 Speaker 03 To see if, you know, these are some that I've written, actually.
20:54 Speaker 04 Okay.
20:55 Speaker 05 Just set them to some music. We've actually got an instrument in the building.
20:58 Speaker 03 Yeah, why not?
20:59 Speaker 04 All right.
21:00 Speaker 03 Okay.
21:01 Speaker 04 Let's do that then.
21:04 Speaker 04 There we go.
21:07 Speaker 03 Okay. So am I playing? Or you're playing?
21:11 Speaker 05 I think Cat should play.
21:14 Speaker 04 Let's, let's.
21:15 Speaker 03 Do you play piano?
21:16 Speaker 04 No, not at all.
21:18 Speaker 03 Do you play any instrument?
21:25 Speaker 03 Baby, baby, I told you I wasn't a traitor. I'm a hundy, faithful, later.
21:35 Speaker 04 That wasn't bad.
21:37 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah, this is more like it. Hang on.
21:42 Speaker 03 Yeah. Hang on. Hang, hang on.
21:46 Speaker 03 Hang on.
21:52 Speaker 03 I like to keep it fast and loose, maybe later in your [BLEEP].
21:57 Speaker 04 That wasn't bad.
21:58 Speaker 03 I think you're out of time.
22:01 Speaker 04 I don't think I am, thank you. Yeah?
22:05 Speaker 05 That's mad to call Cat the problem here.
22:09 Speaker 04 Let's do a chord.
22:10 Speaker 03 What's a chord?
22:14 Speaker 05 Oh.
22:23 Speaker 03 Here we go.
22:27 Speaker 03 I know I can act like a bit of a prat.
22:34 Speaker 03 But come over here so I can massage your [BLEEP].
22:46 Speaker 03 Wrap it up.
22:48 Speaker 04 We'll just, we'll pop that away.
22:51 Speaker 03 We tried that.
22:52 Speaker 04 That's why I am a lesbian.
23:02 Speaker 04 Silence.
23:13 Speaker 03 Right, enough about my music making.
23:17 Speaker 03 Let's get back to your music making.
23:18 Speaker 04 Yeah.
23:19 Speaker 03 Your new album.
23:19 Speaker 04 Yeah.
23:20 Speaker 03 How to be human.
23:21 Speaker 04 Yeah.
23:22 Speaker 03 Fuck me.
23:23 Speaker 04 Were you crying?
23:24 Speaker 03 I told you I've cried several times.
23:26 Speaker 04 Good.
23:27 Speaker 03 And you replied, hmm, that's the intention.
23:29 Speaker 04 Yes.
23:30 Speaker 03 How was the process of, of, of building that and then releasing it to the world?
23:34 Speaker 04 The song sort of flew out of me. I mean, I never really understood when people said like, trauma breeds the best sort of art. But it does. When you go through hard stuff, the art just kind of flows out of you. So when I was making the project, after about song four or five, I was like, okay, this is gonna be just documenting how you can get through grief and learn to live with it and enjoy life in the process of also missing people. Once I finished the album, I knew it was gonna help a lot of people because I was just like, grief seems to be an awkward thing, especially if you haven't experienced it yet. If you speak to somebody who hasn't lost somebody, it's kind of awkward. So they'll be like, oh, how are you and your dad?
24:19 Speaker 04 And I'm like, he's dead. And then they go...
24:22 Speaker 03 They do that face.
24:23 Speaker 04 They go, oh god, I'm really sorry. Yeah, and then you're like, yeah, it's one of these. And then it's just like this awkward thing, whereas if you speak to someone who has also lost somebody, you're both just like, yeah, it's awful, isn't it? And then you just go about your day.
24:36 Speaker 03 When we met, you were open about your neurodiversity.
24:38 Speaker 04 Yeah.
24:39 Speaker 03 And it was obviously part of the show as well that then was aired when Stephen confronted you on that.
24:44 Speaker 04 Yeah.
24:44 Speaker 03 How does that, or does it affect the way you write a song or perform?
24:49 Speaker 04 Yeah, it does, because I'm not very metaphorical, because I don't really understand them. So musically, what you see is what you get with my music. Like, it's very blunt, on the nose, you understand what the song's about as soon as you hear it. Whereas other artists, you might hear them speak about loving this massive metaphor. And I'm just like, I don't even know how I could begin to try and write a song like that, because my brain is just not wired like that. Um, so I think that's why people maybe find my songs quite relatable, because I just sort of say it, because that's the only way I can understand it. So I think in that way it helps. But then I think being neurodivergent and then having a job so social goes like that.
25:31 Speaker 03 You're really putting yourself in the firing line.
25:33 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah.
25:35 Speaker 03 In the same way, like when we were on The Traitors, you were like, I really don't like being around a lot of people.
25:40 Speaker 04 Yeah.
25:40 Speaker 03 And you're like, you're trapped in a castle with eighteen other people.
25:44 Speaker 04 Yeah.
25:44 Speaker 03 How's that gonna work?
25:45 Speaker 04 Yeah, that's why when Stephen was like, you were sleeping, I was like, it's not because I'm a traitor, I just wanted to get away from you all. Just wanted to be by myself for a brief moment, just to lay on the windowsill and be silent.
26:01 Speaker 03 I'm gonna give you an emotion.
26:02 Speaker 04 Mm-hmm.
26:03 Speaker 03 And you tell me what leads you to feel that way.
26:06 Speaker 04 Okay.
26:06 Speaker 03 Okay? What makes you angry?
26:11 Speaker 04 Ooh, if people are, um, not nice to the people I care about.
26:19 Speaker 03 What about if people aren't nice to you?
26:21 Speaker 04 Eh.
26:21 Speaker 03 You're less bothered.
26:22 Speaker 04 Yeah.
26:22 Speaker 03 It's only people that you love.
26:23 Speaker 04 Mm.
26:24 Speaker 03 Okay, good. What's garnered to make you cry?
26:32 Speaker 04 Lots of things, random things, animations. Random animations make me cry.
26:37 Speaker 03 Like K-pop demon hunters?
26:39 Speaker 04 No, no, no, like, like, you ever seen Soul?
26:43 Speaker 03 Yes.
26:43 Speaker 04 Yeah.
26:45 Speaker 03 Have you ever seen the Baobab short?
26:47 Speaker 04 Yes.
26:47 Speaker 03 Oh my god.
26:49 Speaker 04 Yes.
26:50 Speaker 03 Are you crying?
26:51 Speaker 04 Maybe.
26:54 Speaker 03 What gives you the ick?
26:56 Speaker 04 Men.
27:02 Speaker 03 All men?
27:03 Speaker 04 Love gay men.
27:05 Speaker 03 Hmm, okay.
27:07 Speaker 04 And then love men that are written by women.
27:13 Speaker 04 So, men that are just sort of got a lovely, soft disposition, gentle, warm, kind. But then, you know, if they need to have a scrap, as to be a protector, they can be. But generally their nature is very, very loving.
27:36 Speaker 04 Maybe a bit like you.
27:37 Speaker 03 Why does your voice go high then? Almost like that's a lie.
27:41 Speaker 04 Because you are a bit of a softie, aren't you?
27:44 Speaker 03 Am I?
27:45 Speaker 04 In your later years.
27:46 Speaker 03 What?
27:50 Speaker 03 What's something that always confuses you?
27:55 Speaker 04 Minced pie.
27:57 Speaker 05 Couldn't agree more.
27:59 Speaker 04 Why is it called mince pie when it's not got mince in it?
28:02 Speaker 05 I've just looked it up. It says mince pies were called mince pies because they originally contained mince meat.
28:06 Speaker 04 Oh.
28:06 Speaker 03 Do you still eat them even though it confuses you?
28:08 Speaker 04 No.
28:09 Speaker 03 Oh, you don't?
28:10 Speaker 04 I stayed far away because I thought it wasn't, I thought there was mince in it.
28:14 Speaker 05 What confuses you?
28:16 Speaker 03 Me?
28:16 Speaker 05 Yeah.
28:17 Speaker 03 Fucking hell, where do I start? Protractors.
28:23 Speaker 03 You know?
28:24 Speaker 04 They sort of act as a ruler, but they're not.
28:26 Speaker 03 What's the point when you could just draw around a cup to get a circle?
28:31 Speaker 04 Oh, is that what a protractor? Is that what a protractor is?
28:35 Speaker 05 Protractor is a sort of semicircle that measures angles.
28:38 Speaker 04 Yeah.
28:39 Speaker 05 And then a compass is that, the two things you used to stab yourself with at school that draws a circle.
28:44 Speaker 04 Yeah, we'll go to the next question then, yeah, we can tell what confuses you.
28:48 Speaker 03 Well, that's why I'm confused.
28:49 Speaker 04 Yeah, alright.
28:50 Speaker 03 Clearly.
28:50 Speaker 04 Yeah.
28:51 Speaker 05 It's not the rest is maths, to be fair, so.
28:54 Speaker 05 You'll be alright.
28:59 Speaker 03 As I said earlier, we're here to fix you being a people pleaser. So I've got one final exercise for you to do.
29:08 Speaker 04 Hit me.
29:08 Speaker 03 This is called Cat Burns.
29:11 Speaker 04 Cool.
29:12 Speaker 03 Cat Burns.
29:13 Speaker 04 Alright.
29:13 Speaker 03 So that's, that's your name, but you burn.
29:16 Speaker 04 Smile up, I understand.
29:22 Speaker 03 I would like you to look me in the eyes and burn me in the name of science.
29:26 Speaker 04 Okay.
29:28 Speaker 03 Anything you want, this is a safe space. Burn me as hard as you can.
29:36 Speaker 04 Your stiggle key.
29:42 Speaker 03 Cat, remember the exercise is about not being a people pleaser.
29:46 Speaker 04 Alright, alright.
29:50 Speaker 04 Your is funny.
29:56 Speaker 05 I mean, that's definitely progress.
29:59 Speaker 03 Did you say ear or is?
30:02 Speaker 04 Plural.
30:03 Speaker 03 Even this one?
30:06 Speaker 04 Sometimes it makes me wanna sing cauliflower fluffy.
30:13 Speaker 04 Strawberry smite of the day. That's the meanest I can go.
30:17 Speaker 03 You're getting there.
30:18 Speaker 04 Yeah.
30:19 Speaker 03 Do Jake.
30:22 Speaker 05 I can take it.
30:24 Speaker 04 Your soup doesn't fit you properly.
30:26 Speaker 05 Doesn't, doesn't.
30:33 Speaker 03 Now, before you go, we like to give all our clients a little badge. You know, to really reflect on the journey that they've been through in this session.
30:45 Speaker 04 Okay.
30:46 Speaker 03 Jake, what are we going with for a badge here?
30:48 Speaker 05 Cat, we've gone with something that I think maybe they'll be giving out at People Pleasers Anonymous. It is your badge saying Recovered People Pleaser, and that's for you after acing this session.
31:00 Speaker 04 Wow, this is great.
31:03 Speaker 03 It's not all.
31:04 Speaker 04 Oh, a lollipop?
31:07 Speaker 03 Every cask gets a lollipop. That one?
31:12 Speaker 03 Really? Why does everyone sniff them?
31:15 Speaker 04 Because I just need to know what I'm getting myself in for.
31:17 Speaker 03 But they're not laced with anything. Oh, right. They do look dodgy, don't they?
31:24 Speaker 03 Oh, Cat Burns.
31:25 Speaker 04 Mm-hmm.
31:27 Speaker 03 You've been fantastic.
31:28 Speaker 04 Thanks, Mr Marla.
31:30 Speaker 03 Your session... hang on.
31:31 Speaker 04 Oh. Thanks, Dr Joe Marler.
31:35 Speaker 03 You're welcome, senior Cat Burns. Janet will see you out.
31:40 Speaker 03 I'll deal with that.
31:41 Speaker 04 See you later.
31:41 Speaker 03 Thank you. Cat Burns, everybody!
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