Which Tech Bro Could James Take?

This Week Joe Thomas and James Buckley respond to comments saying Mark Zuckerberg could beat them up, flirt with Ant and Dec and get to the bottom of whether more things have been pushed or pulled in the history of the world. Plus this week the Fact Boys make a verdict on where the origins of the name ‘Bungalow’ comes from... GET IN TOUCH: Whatsapp us - wa.me/447822034330 http://wa.me/447822034330 Fill in our Fact Up Form - https://forms.gle/uzF6XWPqaA5aNTtN7 Subscribe on Youtube - www.youtube.com/@JoeandJamesPod/videos http://www.youtube.com/@JoeandJamesPod/videos Follow us on Instagram - www.instagram.com/joeandjamespod http://www.instagram.com/joeandjamespod Follow us on TikTok - www.tiktok.com/@joeandjamespod http://www.tiktok.com/@joeandjamespod Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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  James, did you see all those comments on the, not today's episode, but the week before, I think it's episode 20. Do you know when you said you could beat up Zuckerberg?

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  Yeah.

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  Everyone said in Batia.

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  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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  What?

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  Yeah. Yeah, I did. Yeah, no, I do want to write to reply to that.

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  Yeah, I think we should.

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  I do want to write. Did you see those comments, Joe?

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  Um, no, I didn't see them.

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  What did I say exactly? Because I can't remember exactly what I said.

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  I think you said sort of out of all the tech bros, you think that Zuckerberg's the one you could, you could take.

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  Yeah.

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  And if he was sort of giving you a gyp, you wouldn't mind, you know, stepping up to him.

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  There was a lot of people like, he's been training jujitsu for, right, so like he's going to cuddle me and pull me down to the ground. Also, there is this thing, right, there is a, there is, listen, there is a class thing, right? I did, I grew up where I grew up. With the people I grew up with. I'm not saying I'm a tough guy at all whatsoever, because I'm definitely not, compared to all the people I know in my life. I'm the weakest out of all of them.

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  But you're probably more streetwise than, say, me. I mean, many, many are.

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  Yeah. But I don't give a fuck how many jujitsu lessons Zuckerberg has had. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's just...

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  And I can also say, like, the clue is in the word lessons.

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  But also, I don't...

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  So he's had lessons, it's not, it's not hard.

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  Exactly. Also, I don't think that's something to be proud of. I don't think that's a bar to like, be like, oh, well, he's tough. Well, he could, I wouldn't mess with him. He could probably knock out Mark Zuckerberg. I am saying I am not tough at all whatsoever. I've still fancied my chances against Zuckerberg very confidently.

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  Yeah.

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  I don't think the geezers had a punch to the face. When you've been on the wrong end of an ass kicking as much as I have, you do, it does sort of, you know, I reckon one bop to that bloke's head, straight in the nose, he wouldn't know what day of the week it was. He'd be like, oh no, I've not been in this situation before. And that's it.

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  I'm not saying I'm a tough guy. I'm just from where I'm from. I've been beaten up enough times to know, do you know what, I'd rather, if I was given a choice, I'll go, I'll go, yeah, and I'll take, I'll take Zuckerberg.

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  What's the, um, what's the Mike Tyson quote? Everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the face.

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  Everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the face.

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  Well, that, that's, uh, what, this reference to his lessons puts me in mind of that quote.

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  That is true.

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  Everyone's had lessons until they.

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  My, um, you know, maybe should have brought this up.

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  Come up against Buckley.

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  Maybe, maybe should have brought this up in the last episode where I was, uh, bragging about my Irish heritage. Um, there was a really great story about my granddad Paddy, uh, who was shorter than me. Wasn't a tall guy. He must have been about five foot eight, if he was lucky. And, uh, he spent a lot of time, uh, he married an English woman and spent a lot of time in, of his life in Ireland. Then in, in London working, then back in Ireland. There's, it's a whole complicated thing, my lineage, to be honest with you, like my past story, like, cause my dad's English, but he also grew up in Ireland. Like there's a, I don't, do you know what? I've not even asked questions. I've just been like, right, sure.

• 3:56Speaker 04

  It's like, it's like the history of a family that's trying to sort of lose a trail or something.

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  It's a little bit, yeah, sure.

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  Yeah, yeah.

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  Like my cousins, my cousins who grew up in England, they've got Dublin in their passport and stuff like that. Cause that, cause that's where they were born, right? But I've never bothered really sort of tugging at that thread. But there's a really good story. Granddad Paddy was in a pub, um, in Ireland.

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  Where they felt that his accent had become a bit English.

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  Oh, okay.

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  And I'll be honest with you, for the first sort of eight or nine years of my life, I found it really difficult to understand what he was talking to me about.

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  Because it was so Irish.

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  It was very Irish, to me, to my ear.

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  Yeah.

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  Um, but apparently when he went back to Ireland, he sounded very English.

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  They were like, oh, hello.

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  Yeah, so he got a bit of stick for that. And, uh, and there was one great big bloke giving him stick all night long.

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  Yeah.

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  And he put his pint down, turned around, smacked him in the face, and he went down. And that was like, like you say, everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the face.

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  Yeah, yeah, exactly. So.

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  Joe, do you reckon you could take Zuckerberg or any of the other?

• 5:08Speaker 03

  Joe could take Zuckerberg. Joe's a maniac, by the way.

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  I.

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  Joe's a maniac. We used to talk about stuff on the Inbetweeners set where we were like, who do you reckon's the hardest out of us four? Imagine that conversation.

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  And we were all like, Joe's insane. Joe's, Joe's terrifying.

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  I'm quite determined. I mean, I, I think that, um, yeah, unless there's something about, I mean, I've, you know, I've heard about this jiu-jitsu stuff. I mean, uh, what?

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  Yeah.

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  Who cares? Like, what are you talking about?

• 5:40Speaker 03

  No, I think you'd scratch and go, just go, go mental Joe. I think you'd just go mental Joe.

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  I think if it got to the point where we were fighting.

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  Yeah.

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  Like, I'd be so well motivated for that fight.

• 5:54Speaker 03

  I remember when we were making the, um, the first series, uh, like, we all got on well straight away, and I really liked you. Uh, and compared to me, you were quite posh. But I think, I don't, again, I don't think that's anything to brag about. Uh, and I described you as, I, I remember talking to you, I was like, Joe, do you know what you remind me of? You remind me, right, of those officers in the trenches in World War One that probably got their, I don't know, commission or their stripes because they were sort of quite well bred.

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  Yeah.

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  Um, but I would still follow you. I, I know, I know you'd be the first over the top. I know you'd go, you'd get your little revolver out.

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  Yeah.

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  And listen to the whistles and just go, right, man, come on, follow me.

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  I, I think.

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  So even though you were quite posh, I was just like, I still think you'd get your hands dirty.

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  Thank you very much.

• 6:48Speaker 03

  Still think you'd get involved.

• 6:50Speaker 04

  Well, I have quite, I think I do have quite a strong sense of duty.

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  Yeah.

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  So if I'd been, if I'd been ordered to attack Zuckerberg.

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  You reminded me of George from Blackadder Goes Fourth.

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  Yes, yeah. This, yeah, this idea of like, oh, he's hard now.

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  Hmm.

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  It just makes me think of David Brent.

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  Yeah.

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  Against cry.

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  Just makes me think of that.

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  Yeah.

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  And it's, you know, let's be honest, it's like, it's a nerd who's never been hard.

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  Yeah, exactly.

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  And is now like, I've got some money now.

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  Yeah.

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  So I'll try and buy.

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  Yeah.

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  The stuff I didn't have.

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  Yeah.

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  I'll tell you what those things were. Hard.

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  Yeah.

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  Cool.

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  Popularity.

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  Popularity.

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  Girls.

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  Access to photos of girls. We're gonna set up an entire company just so you can see pictures of girls. Yes.

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  Yeah, boy.

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  Yeah, I am.

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  So, yeah, um, those of you in the comments, I'm not proclaim, don't, uh, cause I don't wanna fucking start something here at all whatsoever.

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  I am trying to start something.

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  No, no, I don't mind starting something with Zuckerberg at all. I just don't wanna start like that I'm trying to sort of tell people I'm tough or anything. I'm not. That's clear. We're all very aware of that. I'm not trying to be anything that I'm not.

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  Yeah, we're not, yeah, one, one of the ways of signaling that we're not tough is by saying, if for us to beat somebody up, that person would have to be so utterly feeble.

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  Yeah.

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  That we're talking about sort of Mark Zuckerberg character.

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  That's, that's it, yeah.

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  That's all we're saying.

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  Yeah. And if you're commenting, congratulations, you could take him as well. I don't, I don't, I don't think there's anyone else that couldn't take Zuckerberg.

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  I just.

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  My wife is, I think she's five foot.

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  Hmm.

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  She'd knock the fuck out of him.

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  Yeah, yeah. I'd, and, yeah, as for these.

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  This kind of, I don't know, these kind of hype men.

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  I think they're either Zuckerberg bots.

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  They sound like bots to me.

• 8:46Speaker 03

  And, and, and also, do you know what? Do you know what's worse than being weak and feeble Zuckerberg? Sucking up to him.

• 8:53Speaker 04

  I know. I mean, yeah.

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  Oh, no. Oh, I reckon you could take him, Mark. You did all that jujitsu.

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  Yeah, it's really.

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  Come on, get a grip of yourself.

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  It's not a good look. Get out of Zuckerberg's arse.

• 9:05Speaker 02

  Just looking at pitch though, he's quite rich these days.

• 9:07Speaker 04

  Ah, whatever. So he's got a nutritionist or something.

• 9:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

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  I'm not impressed by shopping. It's shopping. If you're rich, every activity is just shopping.

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  I do genuinely think.

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  If you're rich and you're thin, what happened is you went shopping for, I'd like to be thin. I'm just not impressed by it.

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  I do genuinely think there is, that like, if you, if you grew up in the ends.

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  There we go.

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  Do you know what I mean? Right?

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  Yeah.

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  To just sort of go into Harvard and then getting fit. Like I do, like, I was born into this Zuckerberg, alright?

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  Come down here, come down here. Join me down here. Come down here, see how you get on. See how you'd survive. You wouldn't last two seconds.

• 9:49Speaker 04

  Joe and James.

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  Joe and James?

• 9:51Speaker 04

  Ah, Joe and James. Joe and James.

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  Fat stop again.

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  Joe and James, Joe and James, Joe and James, Joe and James, Fat Stop!

• 10:04Speaker 03

  Joe, I don't know about you, mate, but I fancy doing a little podcast.

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  Let's do a little pod.

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  I do, I fancy doing a little podcast.

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  Which one do you want to do?

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  Uh, we'll do this.

• 10:12Speaker 04

  The Ant and Dec one?

• 10:15Speaker 04

  I had a little go at that last time, didn't I?

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  Wasn't convincing.

• 10:20Speaker 03

  Should we do the Ant and Dec one? I've not listened to it.

• 10:21Speaker 04

  I'm not good at pranks. No, what I mean is I'd try to do the tea thing.

• 10:25Speaker 03

  I've not listened to the Ant and Dec podcast. I will just say this though, right? The reason I'm doing a podcast is because I can't get on fucking television. Okay? Because there's people like Ant and Dec that take up all the television time.

• 10:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

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  So I'll go, alright, I'll go and do my little podcast then. And I'll keep myself to myself. Now they're doing a fucking podcast as well. Greedy little Geordie bastard.

• 10:44Speaker 04

  It does remind me a little bit of, um, it's a sort of, um. It's the sort of landlords, actually, like when the British were in Scotland, like they took all the, they took, they were the English were in Scotland. Yeah. Well, they're gonna, what do you want, Ant and Dec, do you wanna have sex with my wife? It does feel a bit like that. It take like, honestly, there's, so there's bits of Scotland where like, the English were there and they'd taken all the good land and the, the sort of native Scots couldn't do anything. So they had to basically go down onto the foreshore and collect seaweed and make stuff out of the seaweed. But the seaweed stuff started becoming quite profitable and then the English were like, oh, we do. But no, oh, no, we're, we're, no, that's ours as well. Yeah, thanks. And that's what it feels like. And, you know, what is that film with, um, Mel Gibson? And it's like that, isn't it? Where they've got, he's got his arse out and. Yeah.

• 11:27Speaker 04

  So it's like that, you know, we moon, we moon you, Ant and Dec. Absolutely. We, we moon you and don't you moon us.

• 11:36Speaker 02

  Could you deck Ant and Dec?

• 11:39Speaker 04

  Well, this is interesting because there was. That's the thing. Would it be a paintball thing? That's the thing. That's, because I know that one, at least one of them is very vicious when it comes to, and someone was blinded. I saw that when I was a kid and I thought. It was PJ and Duncan. And I remember the transition from PJ and Duncan to Ant and Dec. I remember that happening. And, um, uh, for a while they were trying to get people to call them Ant and Dec, not PJ. And they've, you know, fair play, they've done that, they've achieved that. Yeah. Um, but that, because it was a sort of, um, cautionary tale on, on Biker Grove. But I thought the cautionary tale was, don't get involved in this new trend called paintballing. So I thought paintballing was like glue sniffing. I thought it was like, it's something that all kids are doing. They think it's cool, but is this cool? Is this cool, kids? He can't even sing anymore. Am I cool?

• 12:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, I honestly thought, I, yeah, I, yes, exactly. I, I, I thought it was that. I thought it was like, don't get involved in paintballing. Like, I thought the paintballing was like, it was like, we've, we've, we've closed, the other police have seized, um, packages of paintballs that were coming over in a shipping container, bound for a forest in Thetford. Luckily, they will now not be used.

• 12:46Speaker 03

  On the nine o'clock news, like we've had another update on the paintballing incident.

• 12:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, the paintballing incident. That's honestly what I thought it was. I thought that the Jordies had invented paintballing. And it was this thing that was going on up there and that we had to put a stop to it. Actually, it was just don't take your mask off or whatever.

• 13:02Speaker 03

  I would just like to say that I like Anton Deck. I like him a lot. And I love seeing him on my TV. And fair enough.

• 13:09Speaker 04

  On TV?

• 13:10Speaker 03

  Fair enough. You've done very well. Can you just let us lot who have been elbowed out of the TV game? To have our little podcast corner?

• 13:20Speaker 04

  That's all we want.

• 13:21Speaker 03

  That's all we want.

• 13:21Speaker 04

  Don't come down to our little cottage and set the that's roof on fire and then gallop away.

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  Yeah. I don't think I'd be able to have them though. Nah, they're Jordies, aren't they?

• 13:32Speaker 04

  That's what I mean. Like, they've, they've lived a bit. They've lived a bit.

• 13:35Speaker 03

  They're Jordies.

• 13:36Speaker 02

  Fair enough. So somewhere between Zuckerberg and Anton Deck is your level?

• 13:39Speaker 03

  It doesn't get much tougher than Jordies.

• 13:40Speaker 04

  Because they're Jordies. If we fought them, would they both have their tops off?

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  I hope so.

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  Well, that's what I'm.

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  That's what I'm sort of thinking about.

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  That's what I think about. When I'm in bed with my wife, that's what I think about.

• 13:53Speaker 04

  Yeah. Just as a means to an end.

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  Otherwise, I'm not going to be able to complete.

• 13:57Speaker 04

  You've got to do what's necessary to.

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  I wouldn't have children if I wasn't thinking about Anton Deck.

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  Well, exactly. It's not like, it's a means to an end. It's just a means to an end. It's like, just do what you've got to do.

• 14:08Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 14:09Speaker 04

  And, um.

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  Who is it that said, uh, that said, just lie back and think of Britain?

• 14:16Speaker 03

  I think it was Queen Victoria. No, I think that's a, ah, here's a little fact up thing for you, Queen Lily May. I think it's a misconception. Uh, apparently, because you know, Queen Victoria was quite stern.

• 14:29Speaker 04

  And I've got, and also didn't believe in lesbians.

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  Didn't believe in them.

• 14:32Speaker 04

  She didn't believe, she says it's not possible. She just says it's not possible.

• 14:35Speaker 03

  What was she doing? Was she like, because they just?

• 14:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, she was like, well, it doesn't make sense.

• 14:40Speaker 03

  But.

• 14:41Speaker 04

  Doesn't make, doesn't make sense.

• 14:42Speaker 03

  Apparently, um, because, because he's, uh, fella died, didn't, didn't.

• 14:47Speaker 04

  He died. Yeah. And she became a right old misery gun after that.

• 14:51Speaker 03

  Apparently so.

• 14:52Speaker 04

  Get back out there, love. Get back out there. Get back on the, go on.

• 14:56Speaker 03

  Exactly. Well, yeah, get yourself out there.

• 14:58Speaker 04

  Get yourself out there. I'll take you out. Come on, mate.

• 14:59Speaker 03

  Head down to Yates.

• 15:00Speaker 04

  I'll take you out.

• 15:01Speaker 03

  See what the action is.

• 15:02Speaker 04

  We'll soon find you a man.

• 15:05Speaker 03

  Apparently that was a misconception and that she wasn't like that.

• 15:09Speaker 04

  She was a massive laugh.

• 15:10Speaker 03

  And she was quite humorous and uh, cause there was a quote where uh, someone asked her about her wedding night.

• 15:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:18Speaker 03

  And she said, oh, I just laid back and thought of, thought of England.

• 15:22Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 15:22Speaker 03

  Because like sex is so abhorrent.

• 15:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:25Speaker 03

  But she's actually been quoted saying that she quite enjoys it and um, doesn't mind having it off.

• 15:32Speaker 04

  So that's the real quote. They said, what do you think of your wedding night? She said, I quite enjoyed it. I don't mind having it off.

• 15:36Speaker 03

  Yeah. But I don't, I think, I think Queen Victoria was alright in the end and she wasn't this sort of serious, um miserable woman. But I think she's been painted differently in history.

• 15:49Speaker 04

  She looks quite, I've actually got a picture of Queen Victoria.

• 15:51Speaker 03

  Well, there's that picture of her just sort of sat there looking like, you know.

• 15:54Speaker 04

  I've got that picture and I like it because it's like, at least I'm in a better mood than she is. And in a way, maybe that was her job. I quite, I quite like, I quite like somebody being like, I'll be the miserable one.

• 16:04Speaker 03

  Was you looking up some stuff there about Queen Victoria Lily May at all?

• 16:06Speaker 02

  Well, what I actually was doing was looking at who the quote lie back thing of England was associated with. Um, and it was actually associated to uh, Lady Hillingdon.

• 16:16Speaker 03

  Hillingdon?

• 16:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:17Speaker 04

  Who's that?

• 16:18Speaker 02

  Uh, she was just basically married to a banker and businessman, Charles William Mills.

• 16:25Speaker 03

  She's a banker?

• 16:28Speaker 02

  Banker. And so I think they were just sort of in high society and that's where they believed the phrase originally. But obviously these things are hard to trust.

• 16:35Speaker 04

  Cause of course it would make more, it would make sense for a monarch, cause you are literally thinking of your country and you're trying to produce an heir. So he's literally, think of the succession, think of.

• 16:45Speaker 02

  Apparently, yeah, apparently it came from a diary entry of hers.

• 16:48Speaker 04

  Oh, maybe she said, lie back and think of the Bank of England. Cause it was a, I don't know why that would. Just think of all the coins, think of one pound coins.

• 16:57Speaker 03

  Well, that wouldn't work for him. That would, she's not gonna get what she wants out of that situation. I mean, it would work too well for him.

• 17:03Speaker 04

  I know. He'd be like, oh, well, no.

• 17:05Speaker 03

  Oh, God.

• 17:05Speaker 04

  Yeah. Oh, no. Government funds.

• 17:10Speaker 03

  Pound notes.

• 17:13Speaker 04

  Uh.

• 17:14Speaker 03

  Guineas.

• 17:16Speaker 04

  Red Needle Street. That's a no.

• 17:18Speaker 03

  Um, anyway.

• 17:23Speaker 03

  Don't say stupid.

• 17:24Speaker 04

  No, I know, but.

• 17:25Speaker 03

  No, because, because then you've, then you've.

• 17:27Speaker 04

  They know, they know.

• 17:29Speaker 03

  We would have had about 50 comments then, saying how stupid we are, right? The idea is to let them tell us we're stupid and we get, and we get some traction and it becomes a thing online. We're not supposed to call ourselves out, let other people say we're stupid.

• 17:43Speaker 04

  We're meant to provoke them and then bite back, so we, no, we're not.

• 17:47Speaker 03

  The only thing I've been, the only thing I've disagreed with is the Zuckerberg thing.

• 17:52Speaker 03

  Every other criticism that we've had, every, every other comment of criticism, you go, yes. Anyway, welcome to Joe and James Fact Up.

• 17:58Speaker 04

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• 17:59Speaker 03

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• 18:35Speaker 04

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• 18:48Speaker 05

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• 19:26Speaker 03

  Okay, we've got some correspondence here, Joe. You guys have been sending in some fact up stuff for us to discuss and we've got a little message from Matthew, from our fact up form.

• 19:37Speaker 04

  Use the form, use the form.

• 19:39Speaker 03

  Which I don't feel like I talk about enough. There is a form, how do people get to that form?

• 19:44Speaker 02

  It's in the description, there's a link to the form in the description.

• 19:47Speaker 03

  So...

• 19:47Speaker 02

  Those who know, know.

• 19:49Speaker 03

  Nice, alright.

• 19:50Speaker 02

  You go to that form in the description.

• 19:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, if you want to get into the form club.

• 19:54Speaker 02

  It's in the description on YouTube, wherever you listen, it'll be in every description, you can find it there.

• 19:59Speaker 04

  And the form is just, it's just like, it's the long number on your card and...

• 20:06Speaker 03

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• 20:12Speaker 04

  Name and first pair.

• 20:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:13Speaker 04

  And we just...

• 20:14Speaker 02

  Well, there's maiden name.

• 20:15Speaker 04

  We just use it, yeah, and we just... And a few things might pop up on your account, but like, it's just, ignore it.

• 20:21Speaker 03

  It'll be stuff that you want to see. Anyway, we've had a message from Matthew. Matthew says, "Hi Joe and James, not a fact, more of a question." Absolutely fine. "My wife asked me the other day, 'Do you think more things have been pulled or pushed in the history of the world?'" For example, you can push out a ship.

• 20:42Speaker 03

  You can pull on a night out. Well, I know what I've done more in that situation. Also, you can push and...

• 20:50Speaker 04

  I know what I've done more on a night out.

• 20:54Speaker 03

  Also, you can push and pull a door.

• 20:57Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 20:57Speaker 03

  Think about all the things you push and pull, what do you think you have done the most? And what has been done most in the world's history? Definitely pull. It's push.

• 21:13Speaker 04

  Oh, I love a man who knows his mind.

• 21:17Speaker 03

  Push, definitely push, definitely push. Definitely push.

• 21:22Speaker 04

  Push.

• 21:22Speaker 03

  Because you've got to remember, there was a couple of hundred thousand years before a door was even invented.

• 21:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, to pull you need a handle, although you could...

• 21:29Speaker 03

  That's pull.

• 21:31Speaker 04

  To pull your.

• 21:32Speaker 03

  I don't know what the difference is anymore. Pull a rope? No, yeah, no, there's, yeah, no, it's definitely push. It's definitely push.

• 21:38Speaker 04

  You can push a boulder up a hill.

• 21:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:41Speaker 04

  Um, so you think because pu- pull implies a level of technological advancement if.

• 21:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:47Speaker 04

  Minor, push, you could.

• 21:51Speaker 03

  You push, you pu- you're always pushing.

• 21:53Speaker 04

  You're pushing, what you're pushing, this, this saber-toothed tiger.

• 21:57Speaker 03

  Or, or a stone, or.

• 21:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:59Speaker 03

  Or a rock or something.

• 22:02Speaker 04

  Cave paintings, in cave paintings.

• 22:04Speaker 03

  Go on.

• 22:05Speaker 04

  Are you, do you ever see pushing or pulling?

• 22:08Speaker 03

  Usually just standing around.

• 22:09Speaker 04

  They're standing around, aren't they?

• 22:10Speaker 03

  Usually a yak.

• 22:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, they liked painting, um.

• 22:14Speaker 03

  It's always pictures of yaks.

• 22:15Speaker 04

  It is, isn't it? They're quite good, aren't they, cave paintings?

• 22:17Speaker 03

  That's Pilkington.

• 22:19Speaker 04

  Are they yaks, are they?

• 22:20Speaker 03

  He's always like.

• 22:20Speaker 04

  What does he say about American buffalo or American bison? Decide what you want to look like.

• 22:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, oh, you have the same one, Jesus.

• 22:25Speaker 04

  Yeah. Um, so, okay, so.

• 22:29Speaker 03

  Weirdest looking things.

• 22:32Speaker 04

  They are, yeah.

• 22:33Speaker 03

  It's definitely push.

• 22:34Speaker 04

  Well, let's just go through, let's just, you know, let's go through, you know, our days today.

• 22:38Speaker 03

  I'm going for, I'm going.

• 22:39Speaker 04

  And then compare it to the life of a caveman and then just come up with our own.

• 22:43Speaker 03

  Don't talk about the days today. I feel like it's fifty fifty today, but.

• 22:47Speaker 04

  But you're saying in history.

• 22:48Speaker 03

  In history, the door, the hinge of a door.

• 22:52Speaker 04

  But as Matthew's covered, you can also pull a door. I mean, push, push a door. Why is it flo- really?

• 22:57Speaker 03

  I don't know, it's really confused us, isn't it?

• 22:58Speaker 04

  You're getting the better of us, isn't it?

• 22:59Speaker 03

  Um, but it is, it is, but the door, what, the door, what, ten thousand years? I'm being generous there.

• 23:07Speaker 04

  But let's just think about, let's think about the life of, uh, a Roman. Let's say about the life of a Roman.

• 23:15Speaker 03

  Go on.

• 23:15Speaker 04

  So.

• 23:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, but they had, they had stuff, didn't they? They had a bit of technology. They had ropes, they had things to bind and.

• 23:23Speaker 04

  Uh, so we're talking about wine. They'd pull the cork out of the bottle.

• 23:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:28Speaker 04

  Uh, they would, um.

• 23:32Speaker 03

  You'd pull a string of a bow.

• 23:34Speaker 04

  Pull on an oar in their galleys.

• 23:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:38Speaker 04

  Um.

• 23:41Speaker 03

  I'm going, I'm going a little bit before that. Like when you watch like.

• 23:45Speaker 04

  But you're saying within humans, you're not talking about like bacteria or something.

• 23:48Speaker 03

  I think you said that. The history of the world.

• 23:52Speaker 04

  The world's history. So by that we mean.

• 23:54Speaker 03

  I don't think.

• 23:55Speaker 04

  Homo sapiens.

• 23:56Speaker 03

  I don't think, no, but the history of the world.

• 23:58Speaker 04

  Well, it's the world, we're all in trouble. We're talking about like brachiosauruses.

• 24:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't think a T U X is pulling anything with those arms.

• 24:07Speaker 03

  Do you know what I mean?

• 24:08Speaker 04

  But it was pushing out shit.

• 24:09Speaker 03

  It might have, might have pushed some stuff. Yeah, it was pushing out a turd.

• 24:13Speaker 04

  Well, in, in, you're right. If we look at Jurassic Park.

• 24:16Speaker 03

  To quote Goldblum, that's a whole lot of shit.

• 24:19Speaker 04

  That's a big pile of shit. Yeah, yeah. You're, you're right. Um, and it pushes the car, it pushes the car over a bloody waterfall.

• 24:26Speaker 03

  It does, yeah.

• 24:27Speaker 04

  And they're going, oh no. But it's all right in the end.

• 24:31Speaker 03

  It is all right because they're getting that tree and the branch saving them.

• 24:32Speaker 04

  And maybe, thank God they can't pull because. Vision based on movement as well?

• 24:38Speaker 03

  Although, did it, didn't it pull down the fence once the electric came off? It sort of like put its hand.

• 24:46Speaker 04

  It kind of went, no, it didn't really, not shit.

• 24:51Speaker 04

  The raptors can't. They can open doors.

• 24:55Speaker 03

  They push them.

• 24:57Speaker 04

  Well, they did sort of.

• 24:58Speaker 03

  They did work the handle out. They pulled on, they pulled. No, that, it was all pushing. That was all pushing.

• 25:05Speaker 04

  It was pushing and then it came in.

• 25:07Speaker 03

  They pushed the handle down and, and.

• 25:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, in it comes horrible thing, isn't it?

• 25:11Speaker 03

  And they breathed up the, the glass pane for a bit.

• 25:14Speaker 04

  Horrible looking crit, isn't it? Oh, don't do it.

• 25:16Speaker 03

  You did that.

• 25:19Speaker 04

  Horrible little gang of fucking little raptors.

• 25:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:22Speaker 04

  Fuck me.

• 25:23Speaker 03

  Definitely.

• 25:24Speaker 04

  Nightmare.

• 25:24Speaker 03

  Definitely pushed. It's definitely pushed, Matthew. It's definitely pushed. In the history of the world.

• 25:32Speaker 04

  I'm still not quite sold on this idea that like pulling is, I can't really get it in my head what, like.

• 25:41Speaker 02

  Can I add something into the mix?

• 25:42Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 25:43Speaker 02

  And I don't want to say this, but I just think.

• 25:45Speaker 04

  Was it Germania or something?

• 25:46Speaker 02

  No, I just think figures wise, it might put something in it. You can decide whether you think this counts.

• 25:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:51Speaker 02

  What about pulling yourself off?

• 25:56Speaker 02

  Because I do think that, I think that changes the maths.

• 25:59Speaker 03

  Well, listen, if you're just, if, if I'm a cross section. Yeah. Of the human race, that does tip the scale a little bit. That's true.

• 26:06Speaker 04

  That's true, that's not. Yeah.

• 26:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:09Speaker 04

  No, that's true. That's true.

• 26:11Speaker 03

  Pulled myself off.

• 26:13Speaker 04

  More than.

• 26:14Speaker 03

  A thousand times more than I've had children, at least.

• 26:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, and also people were pulling, weren't they? People were still getting off with each other, even.

• 26:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, but that's not a physi- the physical, that's just.

• 26:31Speaker 04

  But you can pull on, but that's, they've included it, figurative.

• 26:35Speaker 03

  I'm just, well, well, the history of the world, there's more pushing going on than pulling. The history, it, it's the world's history, I'm reading what Matthew said.

• 26:45Speaker 04

  I know, so, so pulling off, pulling doors, you can pull on things without them.

• 26:53Speaker 04

  Is there anything you pull on in nature?

• 26:55Speaker 03

  No.

• 26:55Speaker 04

  A vine?

• 26:57Speaker 03

  But again, like, you go, then, then you talk about, you have to then go to the monkey.

• 27:05Speaker 03

  And in the history of the world, that's still very recent.

• 27:12Speaker 04

  I don't know what you mean by you then have to go to the monkey.

• 27:15Speaker 03

  Well, because they're on the vines, aren't they? There was nothing before the monkey that was swinging on vines or pulling them. They're not even pulling them in that sense.

• 27:23Speaker 04

  So we are literally doing the history of the world, as in Big Bang.

• 27:25Speaker 03

  It says here, yeah, it says here.

• 27:27Speaker 04

  Wouldn't, okay, for a while, nothing.

• 27:29Speaker 03

  Here is what.

• 27:30Speaker 04

  Really?

• 27:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, here's what Matthew's saying. Do you think more things have been pulled or pushed in the history of the world?

• 27:36Speaker 04

  History of the world, okay, fine.

• 27:37Speaker 03

  That is a direct quote from Matthew.

• 27:38Speaker 04

  Okay, fine, so what we're saying is like, a big blob of molten, whatever it is, at the beginning of the world, and that's, even as soon as that begins to cool, start the clock, who's pushing, who's pulling? And then we go all the way up till now. And for a long time, it's just.

• 27:55Speaker 03

  Like, I would even maybe argue meteorites or something, or, or, or, do you know what I mean?

• 28:03Speaker 04

  Well, they're pushing.

• 28:04Speaker 03

  But are they being pulled? They're also being pulled.

• 28:07Speaker 04

  By our gravity.

• 28:08Speaker 03

  They're being pulled as much as they're being pushed.

• 28:10Speaker 02

  Oh my god, gravity's pulling us all.

• 28:12Speaker 04

  Gravity's pulling.

• 28:13Speaker 02

  Fuck.

• 28:13Speaker 03

  The con- the con- the continual pulling of gravity since the Earth's formation. There we go, we got to the bottom of it. We've gone right, we've gone right back to its logical conclusion.

• 28:26Speaker 04

  In the end, it's.

• 28:27Speaker 03

  Oh no, is it pull? No, I was saying push. No, it's got to be pull.

• 28:30Speaker 04

  Everything's pulled, everything's.

• 28:31Speaker 03

  Oh no!

• 28:32Speaker 04

  No, no, it's all right, no, but, but you, but it's all right, listen, like, you, you approached it as a scientist. You had a, a dearly.

• 28:40Speaker 03

  I went where the.

• 28:41Speaker 04

  Treasured.

• 28:41Speaker 03

  I went where the information took me. And I think it's pull. And I think it's pull. Purely because of gravity.

• 28:47Speaker 04

  Because of gravity, because of gravity.

• 28:48Speaker 03

  Yeah. Everything's constantly being pulled.

• 28:50Speaker 04

  Brilliant answer.

• 28:51Speaker 03

  We're right now, everything in this room, everything on this planet is being pulled right now.

• 28:57Speaker 04

  It's a fabulous answer.

• 28:59Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 28:59Speaker 04

  And, um, and a good prompt from Matthew and wife of Matthew.

• 29:06Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 29:07Speaker 04

  Not named, but.

• 29:12Speaker 04

  I'm not, I don't really get anything into that. I'm just, I'm not saying that he's trying to write her out of history or something. I'm just saying that like it's.

• 29:18Speaker 03

  It's like Curly's wife.

• 29:19Speaker 04

  She's not named.

• 29:21Speaker 03

  I hear my wife argue about this all the time. No name doesn't matter.

• 29:25Speaker 04

  I'm not, I'm not saying there's anything sinister in this, or that, you know, she doesn't have a name, or he's had a, you know, removed from the register or something. I'm not saying that.

• 29:35Speaker 03

  But, yeah, no, I was, I was pushed, but now that I think about it, we are constantly being pulled.

• 29:43Speaker 04

  Constantly being pulled.

• 29:44Speaker 03

  All the time. Otherwise, we'd just be floating around, wouldn't we?

• 29:46Speaker 04

  We would. There'd be no entropy at all. And what a fucking state.

• 29:50Speaker 03

  Entropy, so, um.

• 29:54Speaker 04

  What is that from, something?

• 29:55Speaker 03

  It's from Partridge.

• 29:56Speaker 04

  Entropy?

• 29:57Speaker 03

  I think it's when him and Lynn have a little car crash.

• 30:02Speaker 03

  I might be wrong.

• 30:04Speaker 02

  Uh, that sounds familiar.

• 30:05Speaker 03

  What's the episode where the, and the, and Lynn, and he's like, your airbag went off?

• 30:10Speaker 02

  You've got minor women's whiplash.

• 30:11Speaker 03

  You've got, Lynn, you've got minor women's whiplash. But I think as they're cratch, as they're crashing, he's like, got his seatbelt and he goes, entropy!

• 30:25Speaker 03

  Right.

• 30:26Speaker 04

  Right.

• 30:27Speaker 03

  That was a big debate. Thank you very much, Matthew. We went everywhere with that. We went everywhere.

• 30:31Speaker 04

  It's good. I think we almost, we almost went mad, but then we, we brought it back again.

• 30:37Speaker 03

  We did.

• 30:37Speaker 04

  Like Descartes.

• 30:38Speaker 03

  Um, is it time for my fact?

• 30:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:42Speaker 03

  We have been given, um, free rein this week, uh, where we don't have a theme.

• 30:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:47Speaker 03

  Um, and I, before we started making this podcast properly, I was just jotting down things in my notes on my phone about weird facts that I would.

• 30:57Speaker 04

  I've been doing that bit as well.

• 30:58Speaker 03

  That I'd learn about organically. Uh, and one of the ones that I wanted to talk to you about, uh, was the gay bomb.

• 31:06Speaker 04

  Yep. Well, we've touched on this briefly.

• 31:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, but it was, uh, it was a genuine thing that the military, I honestly thought it was, um, like in the sixties or the fifties, you know, like the American military went mental, like just after the, after the second world war.

• 31:25Speaker 04

  They went a bit mental.

• 31:26Speaker 03

  They were like, we better give, start giving our soldiers loads of drugs and stuff like.

• 31:31Speaker 04

  They did go fucking mental, I think.

• 31:33Speaker 03

  And they did do really dubious stuff, cause they were, cause they were like, well, you've signed up to the army. So that means we now own you and it doesn't matter what, um, you know, they were like infecting people with syphilis without their.

• 31:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, there was a little bit of too much of that old testing.

• 31:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:51Speaker 04

  And sometimes with people who didn't really know they were being.

• 31:55Speaker 03

  No, they didn't know. They had absolutely no idea.

• 31:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:58Speaker 03

  Um, one of the thing, but this, but I'm going all the way back to nineteen ninety four here, Joe.

• 32:03Speaker 04

  That, well.

• 32:04Speaker 03

  Um, in nineteen ninety four.

• 32:05Speaker 04

  Retro cut.

• 32:06Speaker 03

  In nineteen ninety four, like, like I say, I thought this was the fifties or something where they were, where they were like, maybe we could make.

• 32:13Speaker 04

  Oh, I see. So this stuff was still going on.

• 32:15Speaker 03

  Yeah. So the, the idea was essentially was, oh, if we could drop some, or if we could turn the enemy army gay.

• 32:25Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 32:26Speaker 03

  They'd all be so obsessed with getting off of each other that they wouldn't put out much of a fight.

• 32:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 32:34Speaker 03

  Ludicrous now to think something like that, absolutely insane.

• 32:37Speaker 04

  Well.

• 32:38Speaker 03

  We were talking about it earlier, it was like, it was like saying men and women can't work in the same, straight men and women can't work in the same office together.

• 32:45Speaker 04

  It's madness.

• 32:46Speaker 03

  They will inevitably start having sex.

• 32:47Speaker 04

  Well, it's like, it's like saying that if a man's gay, he wouldn't, he's not able to have any relationship to another man, other than trying to immediately begin having sex with them.

• 32:55Speaker 03

  That's it, straight to the bum.

• 32:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 32:59Speaker 03

  That's what they do. Um, obviously, we know, we know that that's silly now in twenty twenty six to think that, but back in nineteen ninety four, we had a different attitude.

• 33:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:08Speaker 03

  In nineteen ninety four, scientists at the right.

• 33:10Speaker 04

  Nineteen ninety four.

• 33:11Speaker 03

  I know, it's insane. Scientists at the right laboratory, part of the US Air Force in Ohio, submitted a proposal for what they called a non-lethal chemical weapon. The idea was to develop a chemical agent that would supposedly make enemy soj- soldiers sexually attracted to each other, disrupt unit cohesion and morale, and reduce combat effectiveness without killing anyone. So their heart was sort of in the right place. It was, it was like.

• 33:37Speaker 04

  What's a peaceful?

• 33:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:39Speaker 04

  What's a peaceful way of?

• 33:41Speaker 03

  The media, the media later dubbed it the gay bomb. Um, it was part of a broader non-lethal weapons study.

• 33:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:50Speaker 03

  Um, the proposal was included in a report titled harassing, annoying and bad guy identifying chemicals. Uh, the air force.

• 34:01Speaker 04

  Is that an acronym or something, harassing and annoying?

• 34:03Speaker 03

  No, I don't know what that, I don't, yeah. Uh, the air force was exploring unconventional psychological and chemical tactics during the nineteen nineties. Other bizarre ideas in the same report included chemicals that would cause severe bad breath, uh, attract swarms of stinging insects, induce flat- flatulence.

• 34:24Speaker 04

  I mean.

• 34:27Speaker 04

  Why?

• 34:28Speaker 03

  Just be like, oh, they've got wind.

• 34:31Speaker 04

  I ju- yeah.

• 34:32Speaker 03

  I suppose they were just sort of like, any, cause you know, like, if you're an athlete, for example.

• 34:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:38Speaker 03

  Like, one percent can make the difference.

• 34:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:41Speaker 03

  Like, if you can get a one percent edge.

• 34:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:43Speaker 03

  So they were just sort of like, imagine if they were just sort of like really farty. That would, that would put you off. If you're like trying to take a shot and you're like, oh god, I've got, like, I've been in situations where I've been like, oh, if I could just let this fart go.

• 34:56Speaker 04

  But also if everyone else was farting, it would be unpleasant.

• 35:00Speaker 03

  Uh, another one was to, um, make, make skin extremely sensitive to sunlight. Um, so the gay bomb wasn't a standalone project. It was one of many speculative, speculative concepts. Um, there was three, there was seven point five million dollars, um, requested in funding. Um, over six years to research possible com- compounds. However, the pro- the proposal was never funded. No such weapon was ever developed and it never progressed beyond the proposal stage that we know of.

• 35:34Speaker 04

  Well, yeah, isn't it?

• 35:35Speaker 03

  That we know of. Cause I've got to say, since the nineties, there's been a lot more gays, Joe.

• 35:42Speaker 04

  There's been a lot more farting as well.

• 35:44Speaker 03

  So much, there's been so much gassy gays going around.

• 35:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's, um, if there's one thing that we can point to.

• 35:53Speaker 03

  Um, but it became public in two thousand and five, uh, when the documents were obtained by a Freedom of Information Act. Uh, requested, uh, by the Sunshine Project, an organisation monitoring biological weapons research. They call them, well, no, we're called the Sunshine Project.

• 36:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, I mean, we're all good. Um, it won. An I G Nobel Nobel Prize.

• 36:20Speaker 04

  An I G Nobel Prize.

• 36:21Speaker 03

  Right.

• 36:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, this is this kind of, it's the equivalent of a Razzie.

• 36:25Speaker 03

  Yeah. Uh, in two thousand and seven, the proposal uh, earned the I G Nobel Prize for Peace. A tongue in cheek award given for unusual or amusing scientific ideas. Uh, and then also scientists say it was not scientifically plausible. There's no known chemical that could reliably reliably alter sexual orientation. Human attraction is not something that would be triggered in that way. And the idea reflected outdated and simplistic assumptions, right? And I thought that going in when I heard about this thing, I did not know that it was going on in the nineties.

• 37:01Speaker 04

  It's extraordinary that it was going in the nineties.

• 37:05Speaker 03

  And I think that's the most interesting part of my fact.

• 37:08Speaker 04

  That is, I mean, yeah, the fact that it was as late as that.

• 37:10Speaker 03

  Nineteen ninety four was the proposal. I was, that was when Definitely Maybe came out.

• 37:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:20Speaker 03

  Anyway.

• 37:21Speaker 04

  And if you play that album backwards.

• 37:23Speaker 03

  It says.

• 37:24Speaker 04

  It says, it's just a lot of fart noises.

• 37:29Speaker 03

  Play it forwards. No, it's my favourite album. It's my favourite album. It's my favourite album, I love that album, from my favourite band. Um, so there you go, there's your little um, fact for you, Joseph.

• 37:41Speaker 04

  That's, that is very good, actually, it's a very good fact.

• 37:46Speaker 03

  Mental, it's insane.

• 37:48Speaker 04

  Absolute madness.

• 37:50Speaker 03

  The people like, I'm not educated. But if I was in charge of the air force, or not in charge of it, obviously, but like, was a scientist in the air force. Say I was a private in the air force and a scientist in the air force came up to me and went, we're developing a gay bomb, I'd go, I don't know, mate, I don't think that's the way it works.

• 38:12Speaker 04

  It doesn't, it doesn't appear to pass the sort of common sense test. Just very, very immediately.

• 38:20Speaker 03

  Yeah. Right, let's get into fact check. Uh, it's the part of the podcast where we'll be reading a fact or question that you'd like us to get to the bottom of. And then we're gonna have a little think during the ad break. Uh, and we'll come back and let you know how true it feels to us to decide whether it passes our fact check.

• 38:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:41Speaker 03

  Um.

• 38:43Speaker 03

  This week's fact check comes from Joe.

• 38:46Speaker 04

  It's another, it's another Joe. What's happening now? Is this?

• 38:49Speaker 03

  By the way, if you're, so is it only Joes that you're letting through now, Lily May?

• 38:54Speaker 02

  I just, there's quite, there's quite a lot of Joes sending in some interesting fact checks.

• 38:59Speaker 04

  I've not actually seen as many Joes as I would have liked, so it's good, it's nice to see them.

• 39:05Speaker 02

  There isn't as many Jameses actually, no.

• 39:07Speaker 04

  There's not as many Jameses.

• 39:08Speaker 02

  I think we've got more Joe listeners than James.

• 39:10Speaker 03

  I think James, James might be one of those names that are dying out, I think.

• 39:14Speaker 04

  Is it a Gary? I don't know why it would be. It doesn't seem to, to me it's not.

• 39:19Speaker 03

  I don't see many baby Jameses. I don't see many babies, I'll be honest with you, but I don't.

• 39:27Speaker 03

  When someone does, one of my mates does turn up with a baby or something, I go, oh.

• 39:30Speaker 02

  I'm only letting the, the good Joe questions through. It's not just any old Joe.

• 39:34Speaker 04

  No, of course, not, um, not just like, not Joe Public.

• 39:38Speaker 03

  No.

• 39:38Speaker 04

  Like, you know, Joe, um, more like Joe, Joe Pesci.

• 39:42Speaker 03

  The, um.

• 39:43Speaker 04

  Don't know.

• 39:44Speaker 03

  The standard of.

• 39:45Speaker 04

  Definitely not.

• 39:46Speaker 03

  The standard of Joes that we let through.

• 39:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:49Speaker 03

  To get on is a lot, the bar's set a lot higher than the presenters of this.

• 39:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, you can see that there's, it's, um, they, yeah, they have to do a lot more. They have to really, they have to really impress us.

• 40:02Speaker 03

  That was it. Well, because the, Joe and James fact check was already a concept. And they're like, we're gonna have to find a Joe and a James.

• 40:10Speaker 04

  And that's it. That's right.

• 40:11Speaker 03

  And we just sort of slid into that, didn't we?

• 40:13Speaker 04

  Yeah. I said, there are no other Joes. Don't even look. Just call off, call off the search.

• 40:18Speaker 03

  Um, shall I read it, Joe? Do you wanna read it? It's up to you.

• 40:21Speaker 04

  I can read it. Go on, go for it. So, um, well, I think it all, it, it's fitting that I should. If you know what I mean, because of.

• 40:31Speaker 03

  You've got the same name.

• 40:31Speaker 04

  Because I've got the same name, yeah. Okay, okay. So, hello, lads. Can you check, fact check something my grandad once told me regarding the origin of the single story house named Bungalow? I can already see that this is not true. He told me that some.

• 40:47Speaker 03

  Well, don't stop. We need to discuss this after.

• 40:49Speaker 04

  He told me that some builders ran out of bricks halfway through building a house. And when the question, what are we gonna do, was asked, one builder replied with, fuck it, let's just bung a low roof on it.

• 41:05Speaker 04

  My grandad was very sarcastic and full of one-liners, so there is a very good chance, yeah, that this is totally made up. But I struggle to think where else the name could have come from. Either way, I'll never forget my grandad telling me. Oh, that's nice. We're gonna, so we're gonna get on this case.

• 41:23Speaker 03

  We're gonna have a little ad break and then as soon as we're back, I'll talk about Germanic stuff.

• 41:28Speaker 04

  Yep. And we'll be back with the facts.

• 41:40Speaker 00

  Hello, I'm Joanna Fletcher.

• 41:42Speaker 01

  And I'm Marco Burchella.

• 41:43Speaker 00

  And this is Boots Off.

• 41:46Speaker 01

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• 41:54Speaker 00

  And something happens when you're out there, feet on the ground, surrounded by nature. The conversations just spill out of you.

• 42:01Speaker 01

  This series is about the adversities that lead to adventure.

• 42:04Speaker 00

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• 42:06Speaker 01

  And how life can be one big adventure in itself.

• 42:09Speaker 00

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• 42:19Speaker 03

  All right, welcome back to Joe and James Fact Up. And we were just fact checking on the behalf of Joe, not you.

• 42:26Speaker 04

  No.

• 42:26Speaker 03

  Another Joe, who asked, why are bungalows called bungalows? Now, he said it was because they ran out of bricks halfway through. Someone said, what are we gonna do? And a builder replied with, fuck it, let's just bungalow roof on it.

• 42:42Speaker 04

  I mean, I have to say.

• 42:43Speaker 03

  That is straight out of Pilkington's.

• 42:44Speaker 04

  This is very much of the, was it Lego?

• 42:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:47Speaker 04

  Lego of that.

• 42:48Speaker 03

  Lego of that.

• 42:49Speaker 04

  Lego of that, let go of that, whatever it is. So.

• 42:56Speaker 03

  Well, I am gonna say bungalow. So I don't know what this says about me, but I once spent an afternoon on YouTube. I can't remember the name of the channel it was, but it was someone that has some sort of degree in not ancient, but.

• 43:18Speaker 03

  The sort of languages, the English language.

• 43:21Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 43:21Speaker 03

  In particular. And um. They were, they, I was watching these videos and they would also, they would say, oh, um, this is the phrase, what would you like for tea tonight?

• 43:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:34Speaker 03

  And this is how it would sound. I think that, I think the way it was, the concept that was actually presented to me was, imagine if you got transported back uh, a thousand years ago.

• 43:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, and.

• 43:47Speaker 03

  Would you be able to communicate with people in the sense?

• 43:49Speaker 04

  Chaucerian, like, we did a bit of Chaucer at school and it was, you know, it seemed a long way away from what we would. Like, it, it, it, it felt like you were almost reading German or something.

• 44:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, so it was dramatic. So it was a, so, but it was like, what would you like for tea tonight? And then it was like, this is what it would sound like in ten sixty six, for example, because we, we love.

• 44:13Speaker 04

  And it was all like.

• 44:23Speaker 03

  Right? And I think that, I think that bungalow, like, sort of sounds like that. I just think it's a very ancient word that has, that has carried on. I don't think a builder said, fuck it, let's chuck a.

• 44:38Speaker 04

  No.

• 44:39Speaker 03

  Let's bungalow. Roof on it.

• 44:43Speaker 04

  I mean, it's, this, yeah, these buildings.

• 44:44Speaker 03

  Because also.

• 44:45Speaker 04

  Also, yeah, builders have got no access to bricks. There's no way they can send away.

• 44:50Speaker 03

  They ran out.

• 44:51Speaker 04

  They ran out, they ran out. But I mean.

• 44:52Speaker 03

  Also, exactly halfway through.

• 44:55Speaker 04

  And that's how, what, see, now, when you build a house.

• 44:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:57Speaker 04

  You turn up with everything you need straight away. You put it in a massive pile and then you, and then if you've even one brick short, if you're one brick short, you're like, oh, break, there's just the whole thing in your house. There's nothing we can do.

• 45:05Speaker 03

  And then the person that co- that commissioned that house.

• 45:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:08Speaker 03

  Went, what's gone on here?

• 45:10Speaker 04

  I wanted to tell one of the history house.

• 45:11Speaker 03

  We, yeah, no, we ran out of bricks halfway through, so we bungalow the roof on it.

• 45:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:17Speaker 03

  He went, bungalow, bungalow.

• 45:19Speaker 04

  Yeah. Um.

• 45:21Speaker 03

  But I do think.

• 45:21Speaker 04

  And what do you call this house? I call it, uh, fuck it, let's just.

• 45:26Speaker 04

  Uh, I call it, uh, fuck it, let's just do this.

• 45:29Speaker 03

  Um, I don't think it's fact, but I am interested to know where the word bungalow comes from. Because like I say, it does sound like, when I was watching those videos, it what, they did sound like, honestly, it did sound like they were saying bungalow over and over and over again. It was like, bungalow, bungalow, bungalow, bungalow.

• 45:49Speaker 04

  I, I'm gonna proffer that this is perhaps an Indian word. Uh, like pajamas, uh, and some other ones that I've forgotten. I think it might be, I think it might be an import from India. That's my guess.

• 46:06Speaker 03

  Um, Queen Lily May, we throw it over to you.

• 46:09Speaker 02

  Well, I wouldn't.

• 46:09Speaker 03

  It's not fact up, by the way, we've decided that.

• 46:11Speaker 04

  It's not shit, I mean, and, and, and, um.

• 46:14Speaker 03

  We should probably say, we've had some suggestions, um, if the fact isn't right. Um, fact off.

• 46:21Speaker 04

  Oh, fact off, okay.

• 46:21Speaker 03

  Is most popular in our, in our comments section.

• 46:24Speaker 04

  Well, in, in, one, the last episode we did about Ireland, um, one of the things I was looking at, um, was, uh, like Irish insults and things that maybe aren't insults, so like, fuck off, i- i- i- like, if, if someone says to you, and it means more like, you can't be serious, like, uh, do you know what I mean? Like, I don't know, like.

• 46:48Speaker 03

  Well, it's more casual.

• 46:49Speaker 04

  Uh, fu- fu- yeah.

• 46:51Speaker 03

  Fuck off, really. Well, I thought the opposite, that they were so offended by the word fuck, which is why the way they say the word feck.

• 46:59Speaker 04

  Ah.

• 47:00Speaker 03

  Because it was like, sort of, your mammy would.

• 47:05Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 47:05Speaker 03

  She wanted to tell you to fuck off, but she wasn't swearing, she was only to feck off.

• 47:10Speaker 04

  Well, that's, I mean, well, there's lots like that, aren't there? There's, um.

• 47:12Speaker 03

  Yama and da.

• 47:13Speaker 04

  You know, cheese and biscuits that Bluey's dad says, uh, is one.

• 47:20Speaker 03

  I, I don't know Bluey, Bluey was just that, I, I know what you're talking about, Bluey wasn't a thing, my kids were just before Bluey.

• 47:26Speaker 04

  There is a show about.

• 47:28Speaker 03

  Is he Australian?

• 47:29Speaker 04

  The show about a family of dogs, in which the two dog parents do more good parenting in a seven minute episode than I manage in an entire week.

• 47:37Speaker 03

  That makes you feel good, doesn't it?

• 47:38Speaker 04

  That's what Bluey's about.

• 47:39Speaker 03

  Is it Australian?

• 47:40Speaker 04

  Uh.

• 47:40Speaker 03

  Are they Australian dogs?

• 47:42Speaker 04

  They're Australians, yeah.

• 47:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 47:43Speaker 03

  I was watching a video today, actually. On, uh, like, on the way in, I was just, like, scrolling through Instagram, and I watched an Australian tell a crocodile to fuck off. There was some rope in the, they were on, they were in the sea, I think it was a saltwater crocodile and uh they're on the water in a boat and there was two boats connected by a rope and I'm not a hundred percent sure what they were trying to do. But they were trying to do something and a crocodile came up and started like nipping at the rope and an Australian went, oh fuck off. I was like, that is, that's the most Australian thing I think I've ever seen in my life, telling a crocodile to fuck off.

• 48:23Speaker 03

  Like you go, no, fuck you, mate.

• 48:27Speaker 03

  Tell me to fuck off.

• 48:30Speaker 03

  Um, but we have had some suggestions if it, if the fact isn't right, fact off is most popular, no facts given.

• 48:38Speaker 04

  It's quite good.

• 48:39Speaker 03

  Well, that is. It feels complicated, that one, and unfact, which I think is boring, um, so.

• 48:48Speaker 04

  Sorry.

• 48:50Speaker 03

  So I think we.

• 48:51Speaker 04

  You're boring, mate.

• 48:52Speaker 03

  No, they were.

• 48:53Speaker 04

  No, fact off, I think is probably the best one.

• 48:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, you're boring, mate. That's what I said in a, did I tell you about that?

• 49:01Speaker 03

  I said that in a road rage incident.

• 49:04Speaker 04

  I was quite like that as a.

• 49:06Speaker 03

  I said that in a road rage incident. I cut someone off.

• 49:10Speaker 04

  Right.

• 49:11Speaker 03

  I pulled out in front of someone, I was a little bit absent minded and I was in the wrong.

• 49:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:16Speaker 03

  And I did, I did the thing where I was like, oh mate, sorry about that.

• 49:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:20Speaker 03

  That was my bad. I wasn't trying to have an argument with someone. So then, this was on the motorway, so then they pulled alongside me and undid their window and started shouting at me. And I was like, I don't want to have an argument. There's no argument here. You were right, I was wrong. There's no argument here. Like, I'm not gonna turn around and say to you, because I get that on the other side as well, where someone does something bad to me and I'm like, oh fuck off.

• 49:45Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 49:45Speaker 03

  And then they want to have an argument with me and I wanna go, but you.

• 49:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:50Speaker 03

  You're in the wrong. Like, what, what, what do you want from me then?

• 49:52Speaker 04

  I don't know what people think is gonna come out of.

• 49:55Speaker 03

  So this person started shouting at me, we're driving along.

• 49:58Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 49:59Speaker 03

  On the motorway, both windows down, hurling abuse at me and I just went, you're boring, you're boring, mate. You're boring. I don't know why I said that, that's what, that's what I went for.

• 50:11Speaker 04

  Um, I quite think it's quite good. Do you wanna hear what I think about road rage? I don't think cars should have horns. They're never used in a useful, but they're never useful. They're only ever used to express anger. Like, you might as well have a button that just goes, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, right? It just, they're never-

• 50:30Speaker 03

  So, this is the argument.

• 50:31Speaker 04

  And also, sometimes I'm in a, I'm in a traffic jam and like, I can't move and then somebody behind me will beep me and I'm like-

• 50:35Speaker 03

  Right.

• 50:36Speaker 04

  What, what?

• 50:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:37Speaker 04

  Well, I can't do anything.

• 50:38Speaker 03

  But sometimes they're like, if someone's just fucking not paying attention or whatever, a green light and you're behind them.

• 50:45Speaker 04

  I know, but I've never-

• 50:46Speaker 03

  So, I think, I think we should be able to have a little polite-

• 50:51Speaker 04

  There should be a polite version of the horn.

• 50:53Speaker 03

  A little beep beep.

• 50:54Speaker 04

  But, like, there is-

• 50:55Speaker 03

  I'm not having a go, just, it is green light, I don't wanna get into a thing. I'm not aggressively beeping, yeah?

• 51:01Speaker 04

  I agree.

• 51:02Speaker 03

  But I'm just saying, wake up a little bit.

• 51:03Speaker 04

  There should be a polite beep.

• 51:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:06Speaker 04

  Like, that, the beep to me, because also, I just instantly panic. You can't tell where it's coming from or where it's going to.

• 51:12Speaker 03

  Beep anxiety.

• 51:13Speaker 04

  But it honestly is like-

• 51:15Speaker 03

  That's from Larry David. That's from Curb Your Enthusiasm, yeah.

• 51:17Speaker 04

  But that's what I think, like, if I'm in a big, I always assume they're beeping at me, by the way. No, there could be like twenty cars and like, obviously they're beeping at me.

• 51:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:24Speaker 04

  And, and every other person who is of my disposition-

• 51:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:27Speaker 04

  Is also thinking the same thing. And probably the person who's actually doing something wrong is so, like-

• 51:33Speaker 03

  Relaxed.

• 51:34Speaker 04

  Arrogant and entitled and they don't think it's them anymore. I do find it pointless. I just feel like it's-

• 51:37Speaker 03

  No, the, driving can be a bit of an anxious thing, can't it? Like, I've got a problem with, apparently the technology of the siren.

• 51:47Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 51:47Speaker 03

  Cause you remember it used to be nino, nino?

• 51:50Speaker 04

  But you can't tell where it's coming from.

• 51:51Speaker 03

  But now it's like, brrrr, bleep bleep bleep, all these weird fucking Star Wars noises now when you, when you-

• 51:56Speaker 04

  You, you can tell where it is.

• 51:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, apparently you are. I hear that, I'm looking in front of me, I'm looking in my rear view mirror, I'm going, where the fuck is that siren coming from? Cause I don't know where I'm gonna have to move on. I, I don't think the siren- This whole thing where you're supposed to tell where the sirens coming from, I don't think it's working.

• 52:13Speaker 04

  Well, the horn is basically just giving normal people a form of siren that they don't need. They get, I, yeah, and a member of the emergency services has some kind of right to disrupt and make anxious people who haven't done anything because they're trying to get through.

• 52:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:30Speaker 04

  Uh, just a regular person doesn't have any right to kind of start making somebody go, what, what, what, what the fuck is it? Like you just, you shouldn't be allowed to just do that to another person.

• 52:37Speaker 03

  Well, do you know what, Joe? I think you should go back to Soviet Russia.

• 52:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, you're right.

• 52:42Speaker 03

  Freedom of speech, baby.

• 52:43Speaker 04

  No, it is.

• 52:44Speaker 03

  If I wanna toot my horn.

• 52:46Speaker 04

  No, it's true.

• 52:47Speaker 03

  Then, then if you, and if you don't like it, then you can fuck off.

• 52:49Speaker 04

  No, it's true, actually. Without, you know.

• 52:51Speaker 03

  Freedom of speech!

• 52:52Speaker 04

  Without horns, you wouldn't have the Beatles and, um, you know.

• 52:56Speaker 03

  Exactly. We wouldn't have the Senate. Um, right.

• 52:59Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 53:00Speaker 03

  What was it? So, yeah, Queen Lily Mae, where does bungalow come from?

• 53:03Speaker 02

  Have we decided it's fact off?

• 53:05Speaker 03

  It's fact, it's fact off.

• 53:06Speaker 02

  If it's not true, it's fact off, and this one is fact off. Great.

• 53:10Speaker 03

  Can you make a note of that and remind us that when we, that when it's not fact, it's, it is officially fact off?

• 53:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay, brilliant. I will make a note of that.

• 53:18Speaker 03

  That was the most popular.

• 53:19Speaker 04

  Well, I suppose also like it means that like we're, we're a bit fact off with it because we like facts.

• 53:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:26Speaker 03

  No, because I don't want to put people off.

• 53:28Speaker 04

  Okay, no, we're not fact.

• 53:29Speaker 03

  I don't want to discourage people.

• 53:30Speaker 04

  Actually, I know I like, and also I'd like.

• 53:32Speaker 03

  He's very honest. That was a very honest, he was like, listen, I don't know if it's true, something my granddad used to say. And he used to be quite sarcastic anyway. And I do, I want those messages to keep coming. I don't want to put people off.

• 53:41Speaker 04

  And of course, um, I, I do have a feeling that, uh, um, the granddad, I think probably also.

• 53:52Speaker 03

  He might have, yeah.

• 53:52Speaker 04

  I think he might have known. He may have, he may have known.

• 53:55Speaker 03

  He might have been in on this one.

• 53:56Speaker 04

  He may have been, yeah.

• 53:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:57Speaker 04

  Yeah. Um.

• 53:59Speaker 03

  That is the fun thing about children. You can get them, they are little idiots.

• 54:03Speaker 04

  You could tell them all sorts.

• 54:05Speaker 03

  I remember for a while I was trying to convince, um, my eldest son Harrison that was a bank robber.

• 54:12Speaker 03

  Because I was like, you know how like you go to school and the other like dads like they go to work every day and stuff and like I'm at home quite a lot. But then sometimes I go like I disappear for a couple of months because I'm going to work or something like.

• 54:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 54:25Speaker 03

  And that's because I'm bank robbing.

• 54:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. And and during that period of time, like.

• 54:31Speaker 04

  A bank robbery does happen somewhere. When I was at school, there was a boy who told everyone that his um. His dad's, his dad was going to be uh playing Luigi in the new Super Mario Brothers film.

• 54:42Speaker 03

  Good one.

• 54:43Speaker 04

  Because he looks a bit like him.

• 54:44Speaker 03

  Right. That's good.

• 54:47Speaker 02

  Uh, shall I tell you what I've done?

• 54:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, Queen Lily, mate, where where does bungalow, where does that word come from?

• 54:53Speaker 02

  So, Joe, you were getting pretty hot. It's a Bengali word.

• 54:58Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 54:58Speaker 02

  Um, and it basically, let me look at the exact translation, but it comes from from Bangladesh. Um, and it derives from a Hindi word for Bangalore. Um, and basically it just means belonging to Benga- uh Bengal, which is obviously was back then, but uh now uh Bangladesh. And it basically is just what they had as a traditional low-roofed huts that they lived in, so.

• 55:23Speaker 04

  So, so it's a Bengali house in a sense.

• 55:26Speaker 03

  So it belong, but the, but it wasn't, it was the fact that the house belonged to to that person.

• 55:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:31Speaker 03

  It was their, it was their property.

• 55:33Speaker 04

  And it was known as a Ba- a Bangalore.

• 55:35Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 55:37Speaker 03

  Brilliant.

• 55:37Speaker 04

  Lovely.

• 55:38Speaker 02

  Simple.

• 55:39Speaker 03

  Love that.

• 55:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, very good.

• 55:40Speaker 03

  Absolutely love that. Well, thank you very much, Joe, for getting in touch with us. Not you.

• 55:45Speaker 04

  No, that's okay.

• 55:46Speaker 03

  Um.

• 55:48Speaker 03

  I wouldn't thank you for anything.

• 55:53Speaker 03

  Uh, but we uh not, no, it was fact offshore, but we also got to the bottom, we got to the bottom of it and it was quite interesting. So, uh, that's that. I think it's time now for Joe, not the, not the Joe that wrote in.

• 56:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:09Speaker 03

  My, my Joe.

• 56:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:11Speaker 03

  Um, it's your fact for the day.

• 56:15Speaker 04

  Well, my fact for the day, and again, today's a random episode, uh, but we're from.

• 56:23Speaker 04

  Essex, aren't we?

• 56:24Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 56:25Speaker 04

  And, uh.

• 56:26Speaker 03

  Well, I grew up there, I wasn't born there.

• 56:28Speaker 04

  Well, I was born in Chelmsford. And did you know that Chelmsford?

• 56:32Speaker 03

  The birthplace of radio?

• 56:34Speaker 04

  Birthplace of radio, but here's a less auspicious fact about Chelmsford. Executed somewhere between four and five times as many people for witchcraft as were executed in Salem.

• 56:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:47Speaker 04

  Perhaps the, so the most famous witch trials in the world. Chelmsford's very much, was it Hold My Beer?

• 56:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, absolutely, yeah.

• 56:57Speaker 04

  And, uh.

• 56:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, hold my drink.

• 56:59Speaker 04

  Fif- fifteen in one year, there was a particular year where they were.

• 57:05Speaker 04

  Really thought they'd found a lot of witches, uh, of.

• 57:07Speaker 03

  Was there like a sort of?

• 57:08Speaker 04

  I've spoken out for Essex a lot, but this is not, this is not Essex's best, uh. I think Matthew Hopkins, the witch finder general, lived in Mistley, which is a village. I don't know why it was Essex in particular.

• 57:20Speaker 03

  Cause it was like the whole witchcraft thing.

• 57:23Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 57:25Speaker 03

  Witches don't exist.

• 57:26Speaker 04

  No.

• 57:27Speaker 03

  Right, we know, like, and I, I find it difficult to believe that even back then, that people, people for witches existed. But it was just always code for women that were maybe too smart.

• 57:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean.

• 57:42Speaker 03

  And were like.

• 57:43Speaker 04

  I, I don't.

• 57:47Speaker 04

  I don't know, I mean, I, I can't work out whether people did really think this stuff or not, because you think, like.

• 57:54Speaker 03

  I think it was just men.

• 57:56Speaker 04

  I'm sure it was that, I mean.

• 57:58Speaker 03

  Like they'd get home, they'd come home from the pub and they'd have a wife that'd go, where have you fucking been? And he'd be like, right.

• 58:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 58:05Speaker 03

  Witch, she's a witch.

• 58:07Speaker 04

  No, I mean, there's no, there's no doubt that it's, that it's misogyny, but I can't work out whether it's. Purely cynical, or whether they, there was a kind of supernatural element to it as well.

• 58:22Speaker 03

  I think it was just misogyny. I like, the more I look into sort of the, like, people being tried, tried for witches. Like, the whole thing's all just a setup. It's like, like, and the trials would be things like, right, we're gonna dunk you in this water. If you drown, you're innocent. And if you survive, you're guilty and we'll kill you.

• 58:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, it's classic. Well, it is, the trial is, are you a witch? And they say, no, and they go, oh, well, that, that's what you would say.

• 58:48Speaker 03

  Proves you're a witch.

• 58:48Speaker 04

  Just ridiculous, like, and I mean, yeah, it does, that is, that is essentially the, the, where, where we get, would get that expression.

• 58:56Speaker 03

  But it was always like.

• 58:57Speaker 04

  A witch hunt.

• 58:58Speaker 03

  It was always like women, the, um, I think there was one story, I can't remember the name of it exactly. I remember, I remember seeing one story and it was a woman that, who's, uh, who was widowed. And was basically like, well, uh, and by the way, like, until very recent history, being a widowed woman was the worst fucking thing. You could ever wanna be on this planet. Uh, because you weren't allowed to have property or to own businesses and stuff like that. Um, but she ended up, um, basically growing vegetables or something like that. And they were quite healthy and they had some sort of health benefits. And she became quite popular in the community where people were ill, they, and she'd go, oh, I've got something for that and you can.

• 59:43Speaker 03

  And it was like really, really helpful. And then she started like making quite a lot of money out of it. And that was when, it was that tipping point.

• 59:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:51Speaker 03

  It was when she sort of started becoming self-sufficient and making money and being quite, like, not even making money, but being quite wealthy. That people started going, well, hang on a minute.

• 1:00:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think that is, yeah.

• 1:00:06Speaker 03

  And then she was done for being a witch.

• 1:00:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's not always helpful to get a bit of wealth and status, cause that's when you attract attention and. But yeah, so that's, yeah, that's, um, that's my fact. It's a bit of a sad fact.

• 1:00:21Speaker 03

  No, it's a good one.

• 1:00:22Speaker 04

  But, you know.

• 1:00:23Speaker 03

  I like the Essex facts.

• 1:00:24Speaker 04

  It's Essex and, you know, I'm trying to show the, the light and the darkness of Essex. And, um.

• 1:00:30Speaker 03

  Absolutely. The pull and the push.

• 1:00:32Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:00:33Speaker 03

  Was that last? No, that was this episode. That was this episode.

• 1:00:37Speaker 03

  Anyway, Joe, I don't know about you, but I am all fact out.

• 1:00:39Speaker 04

  I'm, yeah, I mean, it barely covers it.

• 1:00:43Speaker 03

  What have we learned today?

• 1:00:45Speaker 04

  Um, we've learnt that, um.

• 1:00:47Speaker 03

  Everything's constantly pulled.

• 1:00:48Speaker 04

  Everything's constantly pulled. We've learnt that, uh.

• 1:00:53Speaker 03

  What was my fact?

• 1:00:54Speaker 04

  We, there's, no, in nineteen, in nineteen ninety-four.

• 1:00:57Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:00:58Speaker 04

  They thought that the best hope for peace was to make all soldiers either gay or.

• 1:01:04Speaker 03

  Flatulent.

• 1:01:05Speaker 04

  Or farty.

• 1:01:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:08Speaker 03

  And, um.

• 1:01:09Speaker 04

  They cancelled each other out, so, because if you were suddenly attracted to the other soldiers, but then you'd be like, ah, but I tell you what.

• 1:01:15Speaker 03

  That's a bit of an ick.

• 1:01:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:01:18Speaker 03

  I really fancy that fella next to me. He won't stop farting.

• 1:01:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:01:21Speaker 03

  Um, so we've learned that, uh, everything's constantly pulled. They tried to make a gay bomb in the nineties in America, by the way.

• 1:01:30Speaker 04

  And didn't get funding. And it seems like it didn't get funding because they were like, we can't do it.

• 1:01:34Speaker 03

  Do you know what?

• 1:01:34Speaker 04

  It's not possible.

• 1:01:35Speaker 03

  Yeah. No, I do. I genuinely think it was when it got to the point where they're trying to get funding that they were like, don't be so fucking stupid.

• 1:01:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:01:44Speaker 03

  Which sort of does give me some hope in humanity a little bit.

• 1:01:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:01:48Speaker 03

  And, and we've also learnt, uh, we learnt that bungalows, uh, the name isn't because someone said, fuck it, let's bungalow roof on there.

• 1:01:57Speaker 04

  No, that's, um.

• 1:01:58Speaker 03

  Uh, and we learnt that there were way more witches were killed in Essex than there were in Salem.

• 1:02:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:02:05Speaker 03

  We hope that you've learned something or had a nice time. We'll be back next week, armed with more facts, chats and fart attacks. And don't forget that you can get in touch with us to fact check something that feels true to you or with what, with, just whatever nonsense you want to tell us. Um, our email is hello at joeandjamespod.com. Our WhatsApp is oh seven eight two two zero three four three three zero. And you can follow us on social media at joeandjamespod. And if you've already forgotten everything I've just said just then, um, all that nonsense is in the podcast, podcast description. There we go. That's an episode. We're done. We're out of here. See you next week. Bye, guys.

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