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• 0:00Jocko Willink?

  This is the Jocko Underground Podcast, number 184, sitting here with Echo Charles. We have got some questions from you troopers out in the world, and we will provide some guidance, some courses of action, and some recommendations. That's what we got. Let's get into this.

• 0:16Speaker 01

  A lot of times, these questions, by the way, a lot of these questions, the concept that underlies the question.

• 0:22Jocko Willink?

  Can be applied to all aspects of life.

• 0:24Speaker 01

  Exactly, right? So it's like one of these little tasks. I know I do this where I'll read the question, and it'll be like, oh, this very specific person at this very specific place said this and does this. So what should I do? And I'm like, wait, wait, all you gotta do is switch out the details. And you're like, bro, that's me all day. See what I'm saying? Anyway, that's good beneficial way to look at it. All right, first question.

• 0:46Speaker 01

  I spend a lot of my days on the road for work, oftentimes needing to be at work at 4:45 a.m. I always make sure to get a workout in before before work, because I believe I perform better, and I'm just an overall better human being after a workout, even if it's just an average hotel gym. You'd be amazed what you can do with a 20-pound kettlebell. True that. But this requires me to get up at 2:55 a.m., which is very early. So am I disciplined, or am I crazy? All my coworkers think I'm crazy. Perhaps I'm a little of both?

• 1:22Jocko Willink?

  It would be interesting to know how much sleep this guy's getting, and it would also be interesting, I guess, even let me put a question even before that one. How much sleep does this individual need? Right? Because there's certain people leave need different levels of sleep. Everyone's different. My family is a good example. My, I don't need a lot of sleep. My oldest daughter doesn't need a lot of sleep. My middle daughter, you better get, it's gonna take some activity to get her out of bed in the morning because she likes to sleep. My wife, she likes to sleep. She'll sleep a lot. She'll be no factor going to bed at 8:15, 8:30. You know, she'll look at me all tired, like, oh, what time is it? I'm like, 7:45.

• 2:07Jocko Willink?

  And my son was kind of in the middle, didn't need sleep, but liked it if he got it. But if no, if we're getting up at 4 o'clock in the morning, go surfing, no factor. So everyone's a little bit different. And I wonder where this individual is on that spectrum. And then, is he meeting the sleep requirements that he has?

• 2:27Jocko Willink?

  And how does he feel about it? Cause if you're waking up at 2:55 and you're having good days and you're feeling strong and you're doing good, then that's, I mean, who, you know, all good, all good. Here's, here's the thing you might wanna pay a little bit more attention to is what is happening with your strength and your conditioning, right? Is it improving or not? Because if you're working out and not getting any rest, as Echo Charles is probably about to go on a 38 minute round rant for.

• 2:54Speaker 01

  Recovery.

• 2:54Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, rest and recovery, then you might not be getting stronger. You might be getting weaker. You might be getting sick all the time, that kinda stuff. Now, there's been recent research and Huberman has been talking about this, the fact that if you don't get like a proper night's sleep, but you get up and exercise, it kinda counters your lack of sleep. Have you heard this research?

• 3:11Speaker 01

  Alright, no.

• 3:12Jocko Willink?

  There's like research done. So, so research was done again. Do I have the literature in front of me? No, I don't. But research was done. I saw it on the, I saw it on Instagram, so it must be true. No, but Huberman, and I did like chime in to the comments when he posted something about it. So if you, if you only get four hours or five hours of sleep one night, but you get up and you work out, it makes up for the fact that you didn't get great sleep. But if you continue on that path, it's gonna end up being negative. So you'll get diminishing returns at some point. So I, I think you need to, for the question here, you need to be very honest with yourself. Are you performing optimally?

• 3:55Jocko Willink?

  Like, are you getting stronger? Are you getting faster? Are you getting more flexible? Because you're doing these good workouts. What about, and the other thing is like, what about your health markers, right? Because sleep impacts your, like your blood work can be bad. Your cholesterol can be impacted by the sleep that you're getting. So I would do a little bit of research, be honest with yourself, and dude, if this guy's going to bed at 8:30 at night, or 8 o'clock at night, and getting what, you know, six solid hours?

• 4:31Jocko Willink?

  Seven hours solid, bro. All good. I don't care if you're getting up at two fifty five. All good. So pay attention. How you feel? Are you like falling asleep in meetings? Are you falling asleep while you're driving your car? Cause that's not good and you probably need more sleep. But if you're feeling good, are you, are you drinking freaking nineteen cups of coffee? You're drinking twelve goes a day and having five servings of brain power from Jocko Fuel a day? Cause you shouldn't be doing that. So if you're staying pretty naturally, you're not ODing on caffeine. And you're getting enough sleep, good to go. You're, you're, you're just disciplined, not crazy. Maybe a little crazy, but all good in a good way.

• 5:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. Is it beneficial? Is it uh useful for you, for your life? So the, and, cause people will say, every once in a while I'll come across somebody who will be like, yeah, I get up at three, you know? And it's like, it's almost like, uh, like I'm better than you kind of an attitude, not you, bro. But you know, every once in a while, you know, but it's like, technically, if you just kind of look at it, it is different. It is different than normal people for sure. So that's why it seems weird or crazy or whatever. But if you just shift your schedule, because people would give me flack for like staying up super late. When I used to stay up till like five AM and stuff. It's like, what, what's really the difference? I just shifted, you know, like guys who work the graveyard shift.

• 5:56Speaker 01

  It's essentially that, you know, it's not that. And then they're like, oh, you sleep in so late, you know? I'll sleep until noon sometimes, one sometimes PM. And I, oh, I'm a slacker. No, no, no, I, my, my whole schedule shifted. See what I'm saying?

• 6:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, it sounds crazy just because you're comparing it to the north.

• 6:12Jocko Willink?

  And you're a slacker.

• 6:18Speaker 01

  But those are two different things. You see what I'm saying though? All this guy did is shift.

• 6:21Jocko Willink?

  Not necessarily a slacker. A normal person is not necessarily. Yeah. And I've, I've said this a million times, like people like, just because you get up early. I'm like, no, I don't, I don't care. Like you get up at ten, cool. You know, as you're getting, getting after it, that's cool. You get up earlier than me? Cool. I got, that's awesome. My most important thing I think usually is I tell people just make, try and get up around the same time every day. If you're getting off in random places. So that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocko Underground Podcast. So if you want to continue to listen.

• 6:55Jocko Willink?

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• 7:40Jocko Willink?

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