Jocko Underground: The Surprising Reasons Predators Will Select You For Their Prey. We Don't Want to be The Victim.

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• 0:00Jocko Willink?

  This is the Jocko Underground Podcast, number nine, with Echo Charles and me, Jocko Willink. Good evening, Echo.

• 0:07Speaker 01

  Good evening.

• 0:08Jocko Willink?

  All right, so last episode, we did, we were talking about body language. How to read it, how to make sure you aren't sending signals you don't want to send. But it was from a sort of, almost from a leadership perspective, interpersonal relationship scenario. How you're going to read somebody, you're negotiating, like this kind of thing, right? And as I started thinking about that, I started thinking about, so going from that end of the spectrum, which is, hey, I'm trying to negotiate, conversate, whatever, I'm trying to, trying to communicate with you verbally. Go to the other end of the spectrum.

• 0:47Jocko Willink?

  And you end up in different situations and you, in it, from a simplistic, from a very extremely overly simplistic view.

• 0:59Jocko Willink?

  There's all these different categories of people in the world. And there's two categories of people that we may or may not fall into at certain times.

• 1:12Jocko Willink?

  That we should think about when it comes to body language, when it comes to posture, when it comes to perception. And that is predator and prey.

• 1:25Jocko Willink?

  What do criminals look for? So we don't want to be prey, obviously.

• 1:30Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:31Jocko Willink?

  What do, what do criminals look for? And there was a quote in there, serial killer Ted Bundy admitted in a personal interview in 1985 that he could tell a victim by the way she walked down the street, the tilt of her head, the manner in which she carried herself.

• 1:49Jocko Willink?

  He's observing the way she's walking and her posture. And that's how he's selecting his victims, victim selection. Research corroborates the reality that criminals do in fact look for, or at least notice certain traits when selecting potential victims. While nothing excuses crime, knowledge is power in the sense that these things, these, that there are things we can do to protect ourselves when we're out alone. That ties back from just this extreme end of the spectrum of, hey, we don't want to be a, we don't want to be a victim. But it also, these same, these same postures, these same physical presentations that we make of ourselves,

• 2:32Jocko Willink?

  they apply everywhere. Look, and we'll get to it. So from a leadership perspective, how we carry ourselves, the body language that we have, the way we walk, actually also has an impact.

• 2:47Jocko Willink?

  So,

• 2:50Jocko Willink?

  there's an experiment, and this is another article that Dr. Patrick wrote about. It was called, "Do You Walk Like a Victim?" So they did this experiment.

• 3:01Jocko Willink?

  They had 126 men who had been tested on something called the Dark Tetrad Traits. Dark Tetrad, so Tetrad means group of four. Here's the four traits. Psychopathology,

• 3:20Jocko Willink?

  which means you are antisocial and you lack a conscience. And look, I'm not a psychologist, but that's the general meaning. Machiavellianism, which means how calculating are you? How manipulative are you? Narcissism, how self-obsessed and egotistical are you? And then sadism, like how much do you like to hurt people? So you can see, if you start, if you're high in all those traits, you're not a good person. You've got some issues. And you're, you know, obviously, the higher you are on the scale, the more you're out as a predator. So they took these guys, these men,

• 4:03Jocko Willink?

  who had been kind of measured for these, and then they showed these guys, you know, individually, videos of eight women who are walking down like a hallway from behind. So you don't see their face, you can't really judge their face, you're just purely based on how they walk. And

• 4:24Jocko Willink?

  the question was, had the woman that you're seeing walk? Has she been victimized in the last five years? So they watch a woman walk and then they say, do you think that woman's been victimized in the last five years? Guess what? The guys that scored high in the dark Tetrad. They could identify ones that had been victims.

• 4:48Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 4:48Jocko Willink?

  You like shake your head because that's scary.

• 4:50Speaker 01

  That is very frightening, yes.

• 4:52Jocko Willink?

  Disturbing.

• 4:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, it's like like people who score high on this, right? Some psycho. This is faceless.

• 5:01Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, this is a cycle.

• 5:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:02Jocko Willink?

  If you score really high on this, you're you got issues.

• 5:06Speaker 01

  Where they just know because let's face it, uh, the the person that got victimized knows they got victimized for sure, but they don't know that they're just basically wearing it with how they walk, like just advertising it like they don't know that they're doing that.

• 5:20Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, and that was one thing that I thought through. This is an interesting point, which does wasn't covered in the article. If you get victimized, do you walk differently now? You see what I'm saying? So that could also be a secondary thing. Where you've been victimized. So now you walk differently. Which is possible.

• 5:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I would imagine so when you kind of think about it, yeah. But I guess maybe like your mind kind of goes to shoot. What else am I just like showing to everybody?

• 5:49Jocko Willink?

  That's exactly right.

• 5:50Speaker 01

  That's in my head, you know?

• 5:51Jocko Willink?

  And here's what's here's what else is interesting is even though it's these people that have this dark, these dark characteristics about themselves. Those people can read it easy more easily, but everyone can read it. That's what hit me is like, no matter who you are, you can sense what attitude, the person, just by the way that they are walking. The based on their gait, their stride length, the way they shift their weight. How much your feet move laterally? There's all these little details. So.

• 6:28Jocko Willink?

  So there's that. And then there was this, then there was this, the original article continued on, they, they did this where they took a, a, a group of prison inmates and they ran the experiment twice, but they showed these prison inmates who had been convicted of stranger assault, right? Not, not domestic violence, not I beat up my friend, not I met someone in a bar and got in a fight, but stranger assault, where assaulting somebody. And this is from simple assault all the way up to murder. And they had these tapes that they made of people walking through New York City. And what they did was try to figure out who

• 7:13Jocko Willink?

  these violent criminals would attack. And there was a couple of things, the, the, I like this one, the non-victims, people that the, the perpetrators would look at and say, I would, I probably wouldn't assault that person. They had something called, that they called organized quality. So the person just looks organized. So that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocko Underground Podcast. So if you want to continue to listen, go to JacoUnderground.com and subscribe. And we're doing this, we're doing this to mitigate our reliance on external platforms. So we are not subject to their control. And we're

• 7:57Jocko Willink?

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• 8:42Jocko Willink?

  you. Just email [email protected] and we'll get you taken care of. Until then, we will see you mobilized underground.