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• 0:00Jocko Willink?

  This is the Jocko Underground Podcast, number 61, sitting here with Echo Charles. And the last one, we talked about how your name, or the name you give people, or the nickname you give people, or the name you give a team, might impact the way that they act and what they do in their life. Similar thing here, the Pygmalion Effect. This is a psychological phenomenon where high expectations of someone led to their improved performance. Conversely, low expectations lead to worse performance. This is from something called academy4sc.org. It's an educational website. This is where I took this information, stole this information,

• 0:42Jocko Willink?

  stole these quotes from, but that's who it is. So I'm citing them, citing their reference that we can talk about. "The name Pygmalion refers to a Greek myth about a talented sculptor. As the story goes, Pygmalion fell in love with one of his creations, an ivory statue of a woman. Thanks to some divine intervention, the statue came to life and he later married her. His expectations became his reality." So that's the key point there. Expectations become reality. "The Pygmalion Effect was first noted by psychologist Robert Rosenthal and elementary school principal Lenore Jacobson in a 1965 study called Pygmalion in the Classroom. Researchers told teachers that a select group of their elementary school students had a

• 1:22Jocko Willink?

  high potential for exceeding their expected academic success based on an intelligence test. However, the results of the intelligence test were not disclosed to the teachers, and the growth spurters, as they were called, were selected at random. Rosenthal and Jacobson predicted that teachers might subconsciously favor the students who were expected to overachieve, perhaps by paying closer attention to their work or offering more help when they struggled with an assignment. The study found that the randomly selected growth spurters did, in fact, perform better than other students, despite there being no statistical difference in their intelligence scores." So there you go, straight up. It's another indication

• 2:05Jocko Willink?

  of how, and this is something that's just been shocking me for the last few years, how pliable people's minds are. Just how people can be so easily influenced by what's happening around them. And in this case, the teachers are getting influenced by what they're told, who's smart, and the students are being influenced by them being told by the teachers. It's just a one big lie.

• 2:28Jocko Willink?

  The Pygmalion Effect is a kind of self fulfilling prophecy. Again, this is back to Academy for SC.org.

• 2:38Jocko Willink?

  A self fulfilling prophecy is when a person expects or predicts an outcome and subconsciously aligns their behaviors to meet that expected outcome simply because they believe that it has to come true.

• 2:49Jocko Willink?

  The teachers in the Pygmalion in the classroom study believe that certain students would perform better and inadvertently willed this outcome into existence with their teaching strategies. The Pygmalion Effect also works in the reverse direction. If teachers were told that a cohort of students would underperform, they likely would have subconsciously devoted less attention to these students. Causing these students.

• 3:16Jocko Willink?

  Achievement to decrease. Such a, and it seems real obvious, right? Doesn't it seem obvious? Especially with kids. But it's just across the board. And yet, even though it's obvious, think about how, think about how sometimes you're in a leadership position or you see someone in a leadership position and you see how they're treating people and you know it's going to have a negative effect. You just know it's going to have a negative effect. And yet you still see that taking place.

• 3:45Jocko Willink?

  So treating people in a way that you anticipate their good performance, having a positive attitude about something, how hard is that?

• 3:56Jocko Willink?

  Have you ever tricked yourself with like a positive attitude?

• 3:58Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 3:59Jocko Willink?

  They, they, they, they had something in Bud's Basic SEAL Training. They'd say false motivation is better than no motivation. And it was kind of a joke and sometimes they'd be like, oh, I can tell this is false motivation. You're going to break like they would say that kind of stuff. But you know what's true? False motivation is better than no motivation. It a hundred percent is. And you could hear like one person would start acting fired up, just acting literally.

• 4:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:24Jocko Willink?

  And then that would kind of go through.

• 4:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:27Jocko Willink?

  And I probably do that. All the time, you know? I don't really feel like doing this, but you know what? Watch this.

• 4:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:35Jocko Willink?

  Won't do it.

• 4:36Speaker 01

  That's what I was doing in football, when I was in Pop Warner football.

• 4:40Jocko Willink?

  What would you do?

• 4:40Speaker 01

  Just yell, like so in, so I played for the Colorado Rams.

• 4:44Jocko Willink?

  Oh, hell yeah.

• 4:45Speaker 01

  And the Colorado Raiders. Two different ages, right? Or age groups. So Colorado Rams, they, our coach had a policy that we would, when we do our grass drills and our drills, we had to yell. Just to, I guess it would get us fired up or whatever. When we went up to the next level, we didn't have to do that.

• 5:03Jocko Willink?

  Good for him, since the dawn of war, right, has been a yell, a scream, like an assault, we're gonna attack, we're gonna, so yeah.

• 5:11Speaker 01

  I, I think that was a really good move, because that's, Peewees is the younger guys, it's like nine to eleven. Yeah, everything, yell, you have to yell, otherwise you're not doing it right. And then, and also he had us in uniform, like, we all had to wear long whites, so it was like he had us in uniform more than the other teams too, so. I think that that was a good move.

• 5:28Jocko Willink?

  This dude was squared away.

• 5:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, yeah, I think so. So anyway, um, so we got trained into that. So I was, I was down to do it, and I saw like, yeah, it does help you, it gives you energy to do, you know, like when you're going to jail, you're kind of fired, tired, but if you have to yell, it like actually gives you energy. Some false energy, better than no energy. So, uh, we went up to midgets, they didn't require all that. But every time that I never, didn't feel like doing it or whatever, like I, I'd just like do that. I'd like yell, because some people would still yell, I don't know, it was like Pop Warner, so whatever, you just yell. So when I would do that, or there's this one, it's basically like the football version of sprawls, right?

• 6:06Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 6:06Speaker 01

  But you hit your chest on the, on the ground and get back up and run. Yes, and then I'd hit the ground, it's hard, like hard, like a hard impact, you know, which is kind of the same effect, right? I'd just do that, but it was, it was just because I didn't feel like it, but when you did it, it would like, kind of make you fired up and give you a lot of energy.

• 6:25Jocko Willink?

  There you go.

• 6:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:26Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, so that kind of energy, yes, for an individual, you can use that, but also as a leader, as a parent, as a mom or a dad.

• 6:40Jocko Willink?

  Giving that kid, treating that kid, truly treating that kid like they're special in this certain way, which is, you know, everyone's like, oh, everyone's special now. No, we're not talking about that. But saying, hey, you could do awesome in this. There's, I've also, the little contrary to this is, have you ever heard that advice, which I've actually given before? You don't, I don't, like, you do good, you're, you're, you're 10 years old, you do good in a jujitsu tournament. I don't say, I shouldn't say, oh, Echo, you're so talented. What I should say is, hey, your hard work really paid off. You practiced hard and it really came through.

• 7:22Jocko Willink?

  You're so focused. It's, so that, there's a difference here, right? So, this is not to say, oh, Echo, you're so talented, you just have a natural gift for this, because then you're gonna try and ride that, or there's a possibility. And I rewarded that. I praised your talent. Which is something you don't actually have any control over. You have control over how hard you work. So if I'm praising your hard work, I'm praising your focus. So that's something to be careful of here. You know, we're not saying just go out and false cheerlead your kids and be like, hey, you're so talented and gifted, you're so special. We're not saying that. Say, hey, your hard work's gonna pay off. Oh, the way that you push yourself, that's legit. You ever done that with a little kid? Like, hey, the way you push yourself is really, that's, that's what I'm talking about.

• 8:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's very fun to watch that take effect, too.

• 8:09Jocko Willink?

  Yeah. That's what we gotta do. All right. Well, so there you go. Let's, let's set that upright in life, man. Set your team upright, set your kids upright. Every little thing you say to them. That's the weird thing. When you, when you go, when you expose this a little bit deeper, it's these little subtle things. It's little subtle things, like even the way. So, that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocko Underground Podcast. So if you want to continue to listen,

• 8:40Jocko Willink?

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• 9:25Jocko Willink?

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