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• 0:00Jocko Willink?

  This is the Jocko Underground Podcast, number 142, sitting here with Echo Charles. Got some interesting questions to cover this week.

• 0:07Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 0:09Jocko Willink?

  From the people.

• 0:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, man.

• 0:11Jocko Willink?

  What do we got?

• 0:11Speaker 01

  Good. Alright, yeah, first question. Got a confrontation scenario.

• 0:16Jocko Willink?

  We got a confrontation scenario, we got a leadership scenario. We've got a life direction scenario. And we've got some training scenario. And then finally, the final question is,

• 0:39Jocko Willink?

  I would say, relationship question.

• 0:40Speaker 01

  Let me ask you this.

• 0:41Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 0:41Speaker 01

  About the word leadership, because I liked, and actually, I liked it more before. I feel like leadership, I hear, I don't know if it's like a bias, but, or not, but I hear it way more now.

• 0:51Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 0:51Speaker 01

  And you know how something, when you hear it enough?

• 0:54Jocko Willink?

  Because you're around Echelon Front.

• 0:55Speaker 01

  Yes, true.

• 0:56Jocko Willink?

  And we literally, I mean, it's like if you go to victory, you're gonna hear the word jujitsu often.

• 1:01Speaker 01

  Sure, sure. But I'm hearing it outside of Echelon Front.

• 1:05Jocko Willink?

  Where?

• 1:06Speaker 01

  On the internet. Just people, you know, other influencer types.

• 1:09Jocko Willink?

  Maybe it's in your algorithm.

• 1:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's possible.

• 1:12Jocko Willink?

  Because your algorithm has Echelon Front in there, and Echelon Front is a leadership consultancy.

• 1:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18Jocko Willink?

  So for you to be having other people talking about leadership pop up is some, seems like, pretty normal.

• 1:23Speaker 01

  Right, but you know how like, a big part of like, the, um, kind of the mission is, part of it is to connect the dots between the word leadership and then what it actually is when it lands in the field. Because, and you do actually, at the muster, you said something which you've said before, which is, to me, it was really good descriptor, is like, hey, if you're dealing with any human beings ever, that's leadership.

• 1:46Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, well, the actual quote is, if you interact with other human beings, you're in a leadership position.

• 1:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you say it for sure. But, you know, nonetheless, yes, that's exactly what it is. See what I'm saying? But do you still feel like, and, yeah, this is the proper question, do you still feel like the word leadership, is that what it automatically rings as to you? Or?

• 2:07Jocko Willink?

  To me, yes. To a normal person, leadership is, hey, this person's in charge, they're gonna stand up and give the brief.

• 2:15Speaker 01

  I'll lead the way.

• 2:16Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 2:16Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 2:17Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 2:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. Right. Yeah, me too. A little bit.

• 2:20Jocko Willink?

  And it's really beneficial when you have people in an organization that all understand that they're in a leadership position.

• 2:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. So you know how, and this would dawn on me too. I won't go too deep into it, but it's important. I think so. This is what dawned on me too. You know how human beings, right? Man, the, the, the man, the human race, right? Is like, wow, man, how the heck can, like, you know, you see a huge bridge, right? You go to New York or something. You see this huge ass bridge. You're like, bro, how, I don't care how many people, like, how the hell do you go from nothing to that? Like, hi.

• 2:50Jocko Willink?

  Never mind, never mind Elon Musk catching a freaking thing.

• 2:54Speaker 01

  The whole deal.

• 2:55Jocko Willink?

  A twenty-three story rocket.

• 2:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:58Jocko Willink?

  I don't even understand how that rocket is upright.

• 3:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 3:02Jocko Willink?

  How does that work?

• 3:03Speaker 01

  Bro, you got me.

• 3:04Jocko Willink?

  How does that work? How does that rocket falling? How do the rockets get to the bottom?

• 3:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:11Jocko Willink?

  That right there? I don't understand.

• 3:13Speaker 01

  Right. You start going down that rabbit hole. It's endless. So it's like, you know, your phone can like recognize what exactly you're saying.

• 3:19Jocko Willink?

  If we think about this, back in the day, they were hoping that they could get the moon thing to hit the ocean.

• 3:27Jocko Willink?

  You know what I mean? The ocean at large.

• 3:30Speaker 01

  But even that, I'm saying go from nothing to that. Like, how do you do that? Like, how is that even possible?

• 3:36Jocko Willink?

  I'll tell you why. Well, it is, it's, it's human endeavors.

• 3:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:42Jocko Willink?

  And individual people working and trying to solve problems and make things better and achieve things.

• 3:49Speaker 01

  Right.

• 3:50Jocko Willink?

  That's why.

• 3:50Speaker 01

  Working together.

• 3:52Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, working together for sure.

• 3:53Speaker 01

  Bro. Okay. So you got kids. I got kids. I've seen people, you know, all this stuff. And I'm like, under no circumstances do I believe I can get, I don't care how many people I got. Under no circumstances can I get a group of people to build that bridge. Me. I could not do it. Don't, I don't see that happening. But the fact is, that's exactly how it happened. One guy was like, hey, what do you think? Should we build a bridge here? The guy said, yeah, I think we probably should. What about you? And now you got three guys. All huddled around this idea of building a bridge. Okay, who we got? So it's three guys turned into nine guys, twenty guys, a hundred guys, however many

• 4:32Speaker 01

  it turned into, that's what it was. But it came from that one guy who was like, hey, we, I think we do need a bridge there. Yep, yep, yep, yep. Everyone's like, and they all aligned. Boom, bridge. See what I'm saying? That's how deep it goes. So there is, without leadership, there is nothing.

• 4:50Jocko Willink?

  That is a good point.

• 4:52Speaker 01

  First question. I need some advice on confrontations on the street.

• 4:56Jocko Willink?

  The streets?

• 4:56Speaker 01

  The streets.

• 4:57Jocko Willink?

  Okay.

• 4:58Speaker 01

  I've trained in Taekwondo, Wing Chun, and boxing, and I'm mentally strong, but I prefer not to be confrontational. An incident happened in 2018 when someone parked in my driveway. One man became aggressive, made gestures, and growled at me. But I didn't react, just stood there. Eventually, the others told me to walk away, which I did. I later reported them to the police. Was that guy really going to attack, or was it all for show? How do you think I should handle these types of situations?

• 5:30Jocko Willink?

  This question, was that guy really going to attack, or was it all for show?

• 5:39Jocko Willink?

  We could make an assessment and guess, and we could guess, let's say you and I were really good. Let's say we studied psychology. Let's say we studied body mechanics and body language, and we were criminals, sociologists, professors, and everything. We had every, and we'd been in street fights, and we came from a background. Even if we had all that stuff, and even if that got us to a point where we could be 96% accurate to answer this question,

• 6:18Jocko Willink?

  you still,

• 6:21Jocko Willink?

  it doesn't matter. Because in the 4% chance that we're wrong, this guy is if, has a weapon, he's a psycho, he has a suicidal rage, he's got a weird disease. So there's such a, the, the, the risk, the operational risk management of this is.

• 6:43Jocko Willink?

  The outcome, the small percentage of this, of an, of a catastrophic outcome and the benefits from engaging, the benefits from engaging are so small and the catastrophic risk, it's like, what if I said, hey, Echo, I got a, um, I got a, a revolver with a hundred chambers in it. So it's a pistol with a hundred, hundred chambers.

• 7:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:09Jocko Willink?

  If you will put one round in one chamber and pull the trigger, I'll give you 10 bucks. Point it at your head. Would you do that?

• 7:19Speaker 01

  No, I would not.

• 7:21Jocko Willink?

  You see what I'm saying?

• 7:22Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 7:22Jocko Willink?

  That's exactly what this is.

• 7:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:25Jocko Willink?

  It, it could be a, what if I said, I'll give you 10 bucks, there's a thousand chambers.

• 7:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:31Jocko Willink?

  What about a hundred thousand chambers, we give you $10.

• 7:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:35Jocko Willink?

  You see what I'm saying?

• 7:36Speaker 01

  Yes, I do, exactly.

• 7:37Jocko Willink?

  So that's exactly what this situation is. It doesn't matter what, if this guy, you know, was that guy really going to attack? It doesn't matter. Was it all for show? Doesn't matter. The fact that matters, you get engaged with this guy and it's the one in 100,000 people. And by the way, the chances are less than, it's more common than that, that this dude, because the dude's like being aggressive, that already gets rid of half or three quarters of society. Three quarters of society isn't growling at you and making gestures and being aggressive.

• 8:08Speaker 01

  After parking in your.

• 8:09Jocko Willink?

  After parking in your space. That's the kind of person that has a knife on him. That's the kind of person that has some kind of weird disease.

• 8:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:16Jocko Willink?

  So we all have instincts and you can hone those instincts. You can watch life, or you can watch YouTube channels, you can watch police videos, you can be a bouncer. So you get to interact with people that are acting weird. But if you get caught off guard, and if you're right, 96% of the time, you get caught off guard. So that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocko Underground Podcast. So if you want to continue to listen.

• 8:46Jocko Willink?

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• 9:31Jocko Willink?

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