Jocko Underground: How Will You Deal With Todays Rapidly Changing World?.

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• 0:00Jocko Willink?

  This is the Jocko Underground Podcast, number 84, sitting here with Echo Charles. And there's a, I guess it's a little bit of a corporate buzzword you hear from time to time, change management. So my initial foray into change management, someone asked me about it 10 years ago when I first was talking to companies about leadership and they asked me about what I had for change management and I immediately said, oh, well, change management, what we have for change management is the four laws of combat leadership, cover, move, simple, prioritize, execute, decentralized command. We talked through how these things apply to change management and how that's what it takes to manage change is leadership. Leadership is leadership, whether you're implementing change, whether you're moving

• 0:45Jocko Willink?

  forward on a new project, what, doesn't matter what you're doing, the leadership principles are the same, there's no, there's no separate and distinct methodology for change management, it's leadership. What do you do? You make sure you're mutually supporting each other, that's cover and move. You keep things simple so people understand what's happening with the change. You prioritize and execute, you figure out what are the most important parts of the change that you have to get done and then you do those first and you move through that, prioritize and execute and decentralized command, which means you empower your support and you make sure everyone understands why they're doing what they're doing, you make sure they understand why this change is happening. This is, this is what we do and we've taken many companies now through all aspects of change management. Very effective.

• 1:28Jocko Willink?

  Now, the reason I'm think, I was thinking about this is because, again, someone asked me a question about it, I went through this, but then I started talking, thinking about change in an even broader perspective because we are constantly, as human beings, doing change management in life. Right? Things are going to change and they can, just like change management can trip up companies or jam up companies, as you might like to say, just as change management can cause those kind of issues in a company, change in life.

• 2:10Jocko Willink?

  Can trip people up, can jam people up. And, and, and what I think is, look, there's, things are going to change. We know that factually. Some things are going to change whether you want them to or not. They're gonna change. Some things you can slow down from changing. Some things you can actually stop from changing. Some things, you have to make the change. Some things you want to make them change.

• 2:39Jocko Willink?

  So, even though we often categorize things, all these different types of change, we categorize them all as just change.

• 2:51Jocko Willink?

  But they're not the same.

• 2:54Jocko Willink?

  They're not the same at all. So treating change as if all change is the same is a big mistake. And I think a lot of people make this mistake. When you look at something in the world,

• 3:05Jocko Willink?

  does that thing want to change? Can it be changed? Do I need to change it? How much work will it take to change it? What's the ROI on that work that it's going to take to change that thing? Do I have the time, resources, energy, investment to make that change happen? And again, what am I going to get out of it?

• 3:28Jocko Willink?

  So my point in saying this is that I think people get tripped up by change because they don't understand the nature of the change.

• 3:41Jocko Willink?

  So in some cases, they fight hard against changes that cannot be stopped.

• 3:48Jocko Willink?

  Or they expect changes to happen without any effort in areas of change where only effort and exertion will cause the change.

• 4:02Jocko Willink?

  And we have to be careful. This is the kind of things, let me put it in a jujitsu perspective. You have to learn in jujitsu that there's certain positions, at a certain point, you've given up, you've, you've lost the position and you need to move on. You need to transition to escape. You've already lost the position. You need to transition to escape. You also learn in jujitsu, there's some positions you have to hold on to as much as you possibly can.

• 4:28Jocko Willink?

  There's often times when it comes to change, when we have a closed mind, when it should be open. Or we have an open mind when it should be closed and we accept things that should not be accepted. Or we don't accept things that should be accepted.

• 4:45Jocko Willink?

  So what I would like you to do is as you look at life, as you look at the world, recognize that there is different types of change. You can't treat it all the same. You have to be aware.

• 4:59Jocko Willink?

  In order to do that, yes, guess what you're gonna have to do? You're gonna have to detach. You're gonna have to take a step back. Maybe that means simple drill on detachment is writing things down. When there's change happening, you need to write down what is happening, why it's happening, what the outcome it could be.

• 5:17Jocko Willink?

  Whether it's good, whether it's bad.

• 5:20Jocko Willink?

  And I think if you start to assess the type of change that you are facing, it is an element that has to be dealt with, but it has to be dealt with in different ways for different occasions. And that's what I would recommend you learn and understand about change. And if you do that, you will be able to negotiate it better.

• 5:44Jocko Willink?

  That's what I've got. Why are you smiling?

• 5:46Speaker 01

  Cause it's

• 5:47Jocko Willink?

  Cause it makes sense.

• 5:47Speaker 01

  It's so true, Brad, and I dig it where,

• 5:52Speaker 01

  you know, like we have our little comfort zones and we got our little routines that we really get used to. You know, I'm used to the world working like this for me and with me and, you know, and even if the world's working against me, like I can, at least I can manage it because I know what to expect on that one. And then like things start changing, you know, and it gets real uncomfortable. And yeah, the whole fighting thing is kind of like waves, right? Where, Brad, you're gonna fight that wave? You can't fight, you literally cannot fight a wave. You can go under it, you can ride it, bro, you can ride shit out of a wave.

• 6:23Jocko Willink?

  You gotta decide.

• 6:24Speaker 01

  You gotta

• 6:24Jocko Willink?

  Put yourself in the right position.

• 6:25Speaker 01

  Gotta decide, it's gonna be risky a little bit.

• 6:27Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 6:27Speaker 01

  You know, but once you get good at riding waves in general, Brad, you're kind of down for those waves.

• 6:32Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 6:33Speaker 01

  It's like a skill you can kind of, in a way, develop. To accommodate the change, to ride the change that's inevitably coming.

• 6:41Jocko Willink?

  Yes, and yet, if you fight those waves and your mindset is just to fight the waves, you're gonna lose.

• 6:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, drowned.

• 6:48Jocko Willink?

  By the way, you're gonna drown.

• 6:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:49Jocko Willink?

  And, and that's a perspective thing. You're looking at those things going, I need to fight these things. When what reality is, you need to open your mind and say, alright, I need to at least roll with them. And if I do really well with an open mind, I can ride these things.

• 7:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:02Jocko Willink?

  And take advantage of these waves.

• 7:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:05Jocko Willink?

  So, yeah, jiu-jitsu, surfing, combat, life, like, there's some things that'll happen on the battlefield. You can't stop it. And the more you try and stop it, the more you're giving up and the worse you're gonna be.

• 7:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:16Jocko Willink?

  And there's other situations where change, you need to enable it. You need to push it along.

• 7:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:22Jocko Willink?

  But we just categorize it as like change management. That's what we're doing.

• 7:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:26Jocko Willink?

  So, no. That's why taking a step back and detaching and more technically in this situation, writing down what's happening and why it's happening. And then, and then figuring out a way to work through it. That's my recommendation.

• 7:39Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 7:40Jocko Willink?

  Change management.

• 7:43Jocko Willink?

  There you go. Think about, think about what's going on in your life, what's giving you trouble. It's probably some kind of change. And then analyze what kind of change it is. Analyze why it's, why it's harming you. Why it's putting you in a bad situation. Figure that out. That's what we're doing. Alright, let's get to some Q and A.

• 8:04Speaker 01

  Q and A from Nako.

• 8:06Jocko Willink?

  Ah, Nako.

• 8:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. Uh, Jocko, you see, what do you think of the statement, "If you don't have any enemies in life, you have never stood up for anything." Winston Churchill. And you are not doing it right in life if you don't have enemies. Author unknown. "I've applied your teachings and of trying to develop relationships with both good and bad leaders and/or adversaries in my life, and I feel like I do not have enemies." That makes sense because Nako is super nice, by the way.

• 8:35Jocko Willink?

  And he's, and he's really good at implementing the principles that we talk about all the time. Nako is in the game, man, and you know, for those of you who don't know, he's a law enforcement officer. He's been one for a long time. He started off in New York City. Now he's in LA. You know, he's been doing that job for a long time and that is not a job where you make, where, where not making enemies is easy.

• 8:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:57Jocko Willink?

  You know, you got the political side, you got the, the being out on the streets. Like, there's a lot of stuff going on.

• 9:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:03Jocko Willink?

  But, but, okay, so, yeah, that's Nako.

• 9:06Speaker 01

  And also, real quick about Nako, he, uh, so there's this YouTube channel, I came across it on YouTube, but I'm not sure if it extends beyond that, but, uh, it's called Soft White. Did you, did you watch his thing, bro? Oh, yeah, watch that one with Nako. That is a good one. And you kind of find out about his, his career and who he is.

• 9:24Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, and you get to learn some messed up things, man. People getting their heads cut off and like. So, that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocko Underground Podcast. So if you want to continue to listen, go to jacood underground.com and subscribe and we're doing this, we're doing this to mitigate our reliance on external platforms. So we are not subject to their control and we are doing this so that we can support the Jocko Podcast, which will remain as is, free for all, as long as we can keep it that way. But we, but we are doing this so we don't have to be under the control of sponsors. And we're doing it so we can give you

• 10:10Jocko Willink?

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